The Transgender Juggernaut: When Sanity Became a Crime

By Michael Brown Published on May 22, 2016

Writing for the National Review in 2014, Kevin Williamson had the gall to claim that the transgender star Laverne Cox was “not a woman.” Not only so, but Williamson continued to refer to Cox as “he” throughout his article.

Then, referring to Katie Couric’s interview with Cox in which she infamously “asked him about whether he had undergone surgical alteration,” Williamson wrote, “and God help her if she had misdeployed a pronoun, which is now considered practically a hate crime.” Again, that was in 2014. Today, in some states, it is a crime to “misdeploy” a pronoun, which would mean referring to Laverne Cox as he rather than she.

In fact, it can cost you dearly. Earlier this year, I reported how, in New York City and Washington State, “Being Found Guilty of ‘Transphobia’ Could Cost You $250,000.” Punishable offenses include forbidding a man who identifies as a woman from using the ladies’ locker room at the gym or referring to that same man as “he” at work rather than calling him “she.”

But it gets worse. As recently reported by law professor Eugene Volokh, “You can be fined for not calling people ‘ze’ or ‘hir,’ if that’s the pronoun they demand that you use.”

Yes, he explains, “people can basically force us — on pain of massive legal liability — to say what they want us to say, whether or not we want to endorse the political message associated with that term, and whether or not we think it’s a lie.”

And, he points out, “We have to use the person’s ‘preferred … pronoun and title,’ whatever those preferences might be” — and those preferences could include wanting to be called “glugga” just as well as wanting to be called “ze.”

Why not?

If you say no one would ever come up with a term like “glugga” (or whatever), Volokh points to “this list, which already includes ‘zie,’ ‘sie’ (not the German version), ‘ey,’ ‘ve,’ ‘tey,’ ‘e,’ ‘(f)ae,’ ‘per’ and ‘xe.’ Why wouldn’t some creative folks decide they want to add still more?”

And what about young people who don’t want to be forced into a specific gender category and say instead, “Call me Tractor”? And why did Facebook have to add “Fill in the blank” after 50 gender options were not considered enough by transgender activists?

My colleague in Australia, Bill Muehlenberg, just posted a chilling article listing the latest examples of “Trans-madness.” One of the most disturbing examples is a bill put forth in Canada “that would prohibit discrimination on the basis of ‘gender identity’ or ‘gender expression’ and make anti-transgender ‘hate propaganda’ punishable by up to two years in prison,” the whole problem being that articles like this (or like Williamson’s or Volokh’s) could readily be classified as “hate propaganda.”

Even more disturbing was the editorial in the Charlotte Observer, which stated, “Girls need to get over the ‘discomfort’ they may feel at seeing male genitalia in the locker room,” just as in the past whites had to get over the discomfort of sharing facilities with blacks.

What a horrific, abusive and dangerous position to take, especially for a major newspaper.

Muehlenberg also pointed to the “most dangerous, and underreported, part of Obama’s transgender edict,” namely, “under the Obama administration’s federal guidance:

  • “School districts must allow biological males and females to spend the night together in the same hotel room on field trips;
  • “Colleges must let men who say they are transgender be roommates with one or more women; and
  • “School officials cannot even tell those young women or their parents in advance that their new roommate is a man, without risking a federal lawsuit.”

This is absolute cultural madness, and it must be firmly resisted. Muehlenberg provides one devastating example after another, closing with the account of a woman named Melissa who made a shocking discovery when she went to her 24 Hour Fitness gym in Seattle during a lunch break.

As she explains, “when I went into the locker room to change, I saw a man… Completely naked. I quickly turned around in a panic thinking I had walked into the men’s locker room instead of the women’s. Nope, I was in fact in the women’s locker room. With the change of policy I knew there was nothing I could do. …”

“I ended up going in the back to the shower and toilet area where I found all the rest of the women in the locker room. We all had the same idea… To get changed in the bathroom stalls instead of in the open area for privacy.”

“None of us had the courage to speak to management about this either for the fear that we would be labeled something we are not. This has nothing to do about being for or against the LBGT community. It’s the fact that we don’t feel comfortable seeing a man in our dressing room and that we have no way to tell if he is going to take advantage of the new policy or us. It was extremely uncomfortable.”

Extremely uncomfortable would be a massive understatement, especially for women who have suffered some kind of sexual abuse in the past.

For some time now I have been saying that LGBT activists would overplay their hand, and these recent developments are a glaring, undeniable example. But will we wake up to reality or we will slumber on?

In December, 2014, I wrote an article titled, “Why LGBT’s War On Gender Must Be Resisted,” yet I would say that, for the most part, it fell on deaf ears. One month ago, I wrote that, “It’s Time to Stand Up to Transgender Activism,” which was followed one week ago by, “A Call for National Civil Disobedience to Obama’s Public School Transgender Bathroom Mandate,” and that call has since gone viral.

Thankfully, others are raising their voices with clarity, with David Limbaugh writing, “Resisting Obama’s Transgender Directive: A Hill to Die On,” David French penning, “Transgender Extremism – Two Videos Show How Quickly the Absurd Became Accepted, Then Mandatory,” and Eric Metaxas stating, “A Line in the Sand Has Been Crossed: Five Things You Can Do About Trans Restrooms.”

In the past, some wondered why I and others have been warning about these things for so many years, but they are wondering no more. We have come to a time of absolute social insanity, when refusing to call someone “ze” could cost you $250,000, when a major newspaper tells teenage girls to get over their “discomfort” of seeing naked men in their shower stalls, when grown women don’t dare protest the presence of a naked man in their locker room for fear of being branded bigots, when college officials could face a federal lawsuit for informing a young woman that her new roommate is actually a biological male.

If we don’t say “Enough is enough” today, I doubt we will say it tomorrow. Dare we wait any longer? Enough is enough!

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  • Dean Bruckner

    ‘[A]rticles like this (or like Williamson’s or Volokh’s) could readily be classified as “hate propaganda.”’

    Keep ’em coming, Dr. Brown, keep ’em coming. As in Soviet Russia, the Left is putting in place a culture of informants (“duty to report” rules and laws) and a gulag of prisons for cultural Marxist offenses. The s#exual revolutionary guards at such prisons will take s#xual liberties with prisoners–men, women and children. If you’re a cultural Marxist, that’s what you do! Ask Bill Clinton.

    • eddiestardust

      That’s why we must elect Republicans in November. Elect Hillary and we get what you just wrote….

  • brothergc

    womder how long it will take the Rev to show up and post here , I bet money he will be posting soon debating against Dr Brown and anyone who agrees with Dr Brown

    • randall_laughbaum

      The word promoting discrimination and bigotry? uh oh– the ‘b’ word……. better report it, brothergc!

  • eddiestardust

    The best way to fight the war now, at this moment, is to vow that you will vote FOR Republicans..and remember I’m saying that as a former, lifelong Democrat, former Elected Delegate, Democratic National Convention, 1984!

  • Nelson Banuchi

    “In fact, it can cost you dearly. Earlier this year, I reported how, in New York City and Washington State, ‘Being Found Guilty of “Transphobia” Could Cost You $250,000.’ Punishable offenses include forbidding a man who identifies as a woman from using the ladies’ locker room at the gym or referring to that same man as ‘he’ at work rather than calling him ‘she’…You can be fined for not calling people ‘ze’ or ‘hir,’ if that’s the pronoun they demand that you use.”

    “It” is not an option?

  • Diane Hughes

    Michael thank you for posting this article, and letting us know just how extreme this present administration is. If we women would just come together on this issue, and realize that we are the ones who are really being violated and shown disrespect, we could change the bathroom policies of this present administration. If I had a daughter in public school, I would remove her from public education at the end of this semester, and find her a school that shows her the respect due a young woman.. President Obama is deliberately trying to bring this country down, or he has some real issues of his own.

  • So, one of my favorite words is context. Information without context is propaganda. We read about how the tiny group, transgender people are trying to take away the rights of others. These new laws, fining you just for calling a person the wrong pronoun, etc. Saying that this part of some agenda to hush and police “Christians” is a propaganda tool. I always say who benefits from painting transgender people as the enemy or as a group to fear? Who benefits from pushing the message that we are in a “culture” war? Who benefits financially and socially from these messages?

    The question I ask why did New York City and Washington pass these Transgender protection laws?

    New York City Local Law No. 3 was passed in (2002)

    Why the law?

    “The legislative history reflects that transgender people face frequent and severe discrimination such that protection from discrimination is “very often a matter of life and death.” Recognizing the profoundly debilitating impact of gender-based discrimination on transgender and other gender non-conforming individuals, the amendment makes clear that “gender-based discrimination – including, but not limited to, discrimination based on an individual’s actual or perceived “blank” and discrimination based on an individual’s gender identity, self-image, appearance, behavior, or expression – constitutes a violation of the City’s Human Rights Law.”

    Wait did that say 2002?

    This law has been on the books since 2002 in New York City? Ponder that for a second. Why the interest now? Why after 14 years?

    What does calling a person by the name or surname that they request hurt you?

    Do you agree that transgender people face frequent and severe discrimination?

    Do you understand the impact of refusing to address transgender people in the manner that they ask?

    1. You tell them that “I know better than you ”

    2. I hear you but I am not listening

    3. I will constantly disrespect you and teach others to do the same

    4.Your being uncomfortable and your hurt is fine as long as I feel comfortable

    5. Your truth about yourself means little to me

    Hmm

    • I suggest all readers read the law for yourself. Also ask why a link to all other sources but the law itself? Information without context is propaganda.

    • Not sure why my posts are being removed. I stated before to please read the New York City law for yourself. Information without context is propaganda. I also stated why no link to the law itself but links to other information.

  • In this article it was stated, “Even more disturbing was the editorial in the Charlotte Observer, which stated, “Girls need to get over the ‘discomfort’ they may feel at seeing male genitalia in the locker room,” just as in the past whites had to get over the discomfort of sharing facilities with blacks.”

    Why no link to the actual editorial? The editorial was, “Taken the Fear Out of the Bathroom”.

    The actual comment was, “Yes, the thought of male “parts” (my wording) in girls’ locker rooms – and vice versa – might be distressing to some. But the battle for equality has always been in part about overcoming discomfort – with blacks sharing facilities, with gays sharing marriage – then realizing that it was not nearly so awful as some people imagined.”

    See how different that sounds than, “Girls need to get over the ‘discomfort’ they may feel at seeing male genitalia in the locker room,” just as in the past whites had to get over the discomfort of sharing facilities with blacks.”

    Why no link to the actual editorial? Information without context is propaganda? Who benefits from fear and misinformation?

    Is fear mongering a fruit of the Spirit?

  • Resbo

    God made TWO genders, MALE and FEMALE! Anything else is a personal MENTAL PROBLEM!!!

    • LysolPionex

      Sadly, this is true. It is a mental disorder, and those not willing to accept it are in denial. They need treatment, not ridicule and CERTAINLY not pandering by a society saying they can define their own reality.

      • Being transgender is not a mental disorder and this has been declared by mental health experts. Gender dysphoria is the extreme discomfort of your gender identity not corresponding to your biology of birth. Not all transgender people have gender dysphoria. If you are convinced that they need treatment why not listen to what the experts already say about being transgender?

        • Ken Abbott

          “Experts”–professing to be wise, they became fools. An “expert” is a human being, subject to all the same failings and foibles as the rest of us. Education is increasingly no guarantee that the one educated possesses wisdom or ethics.

          At one time, frontal lobotomies were promoted as legitimate treatment by “mental health experts.” There is a growing scandal about the unreliability of scientific publications, with falsification of data and selective citation a much more rampant problem than previously realized.

          • Okay no mental health or medical governing body promotes the idea that being transgender is a mental illness.

          • Ken Abbott

            So what? The pronouncements of so-called experts or “medical governing bodies” are always to be taken provisionally. Today’s heresy is tomorrow’s orthodoxy, and today’s orthodoxy is tomorrow’s regrettable error.

          • Must be convenient to blow off information that doesn’t fit your world view?

          • Ken Abbott

            Must be convenient to selectively cite all that conforms to yours.

          • The facts conforms mine while fear and misinformation conforms yours.

          • Ken Abbott

            Honestly? You arrogate to yourself the epistemologic high ground?

          • I find it interesting that many claim that transgender people need mental health and are delusional even though the mental health and the medical community say likewise. That was context of my original point.

          • Ken Abbott

            And my point was that the opinions of so-called experts and the medical community (of which I am a part, by the way) has a checkered past and a shaky present. You may appeal to authority all you like; just be sure your authority is worth the confidence you place in it.

            By the way, upon reviewing my various posts, I find I haven’t ventured an opinion one way or the other on the mental health or disease of any populations.

          • Of course Ken. So your point is that being transgender is a mental illness? May ask what part of the medical community you belong to?

          • Ken Abbott

            No, that is not my point.

            I am in private medical practice.

          • So what is your point?

          • Ken Abbott

            The one I made above: That all appeals to authority depend upon the trustworthiness of said authority, and that human experts can be and have been (and likely will continue to be) mistaken and error-prone, given the common failings of humanity.

          • Are they mistaken on the issue of gender identity? Are they mistaken that being transgender is no longer considered a mental illness?

          • Ken Abbott

            What is the quality of the data? What is the strength of the conclusions drawn from that data? What biases (recognized or not) have been introduced? Who are the “they” (specifically) of which you speak? How was it decided that being transgender was at one point a mental illness? How was it decided that being transgender is no longer to be considered a mental illness?

          • All valid points. What are your thoughts?

          • “At one time, frontal lobotomies were promoted as legitimate treatment by “mental health experts.”

            Yeah at one time PMS was seen as a mental illness, we do better when we learn better.

          • Ken Abbott

            Would have been most interesting to see how you would have interacted with those “experts” in the 1930s.

          • Yep. We are talking about now. We can play the “in the past” game but it is a detour.

          • Ken Abbott

            No, it’s not a detour, because it speaks precisely to the way in which human beings handle information and make pronouncements based on limited knowledge, not to mention all the faulty thinking, biases, and errors in judgment to which we are prone. I would not so sanguinely accept that the current “expert” consensus is impartial and free of ideologic or philosophic prejudice. People are remarkably adept at turning the “facts” to their own advantage.

          • Yes mistakes are made. Humans make mistakes but we cannot downplay that these experts have made and continue to make advances in science, mental health and health care.

            Heck there was a time when children with down syndrome were placed in mental health institutions but those days are gone.

          • Ken Abbott

            Yeah, instead they’re identified prenatally and the affected pregnancies terminated…Real progress, that.

          • Sadly in some cases but not all.

        • Me2times

          What are you a Reverend of?

        • A man desiring to surgery remove his genitalia via surgery is, indeed, a mental disorder.

          (likely demonization, also)

        • Meredith Washburn

          Ok, lets see it your way for a moment, not a mental disorder BUT it is sin therefor they need the truth in love according to the Word of God for deliverance and freedom in Christ so their eternity will be spent with the Lord.

          • It is not my way, it just so happen to be true. As for as being transgender being a sin, what does that have to do with topic? What do you base this on?

          • Meredith Washburn

            What do you base this on?

            The Bible!!!

          • No where in The Bible does it say that being transgender us a sin.

          • Meredith Washburn

            Well then, one day you will stand before God and he will make it all clear to you, unless of course you come to believe the truth before then.

          • Wait…. Where is it found in the Bible? You said it or did you misspeak?

    • “God is not the author of confusion…” – I Corinthians 14:33.

    • randall_laughbaum

      Resbo- God also made ‘gays’ too!

      • Resbo

        God made EVERYONE, either Male or FEMALE, if you think you are something else than what is on your birth certificate the YOU have a MENTAL CONDITION!!! It IS simple to understand!

  • Ann T. Lib

    I could care less if I get labeled a bigot. Men gave no business in a female bathroom and I will tell any “transgender” they need help, but mostly they need God.

    • randall_laughbaum

      Good because if you have no tolerance for people that think different than you and would discriminate against them- then you ARE a BIGOT! You are the one that needs to go back and read the good book– And make sure you pay attention to the part where God teaches you to not judge others!

  • CriminalsHeartGunControl

    Just call them all “it.”

    That should just about cover it.

    • Ken McVay

      I prefer calling them delusional.

  • LysolPionex

    My response, is to accuse them of being insensitive to my accent. “Sorry, that’s how I pronounce your pronoun”. If they can define their gender, I can define my expression of their gender.

    • Do you understand the impact of refusing to address transgender people in the manner that they ask?

      1. You tell them that “I know better than you ”

      2. I hear you but I am not listening

      3. I will constantly disrespect you and teach others to do the same

      4.Your being uncomfortable and your hurt is fine as long as I feel comfortable

      5. Your truth about yourself means little to me

      • Cowboy

        That is what they are doing – makes no difference how uncomfortable I am – I have to get over it – so are they not bigots towards me? Imposing their views on me?

        • No, they are doing nothing but being who they are. What about number 1, 2, 3 and 5?

          • Cowboy

            They all apply – they do not respect my beliefs. They think they know better than me – it is a stand off .

          • How are transgender people harming you?

          • Cowboy

            Well if they are just being who they are – then I will be who I am – standing firm on the Word of God and what God says.

          • brothergc

            cowboy forget it , if your debating with the Rev he is stuck so far in to his believes that he is beyond reason or logic all he can see is what He wants and if what he wants comes at the expence of the saefty and privacy of others then he does not care , He has been a troll on Dr browns website and attacked anything that Dr Brown has published . He only lives to antagonize people best to just ignor him

          • Lorie Rinke

            Hit the nail right on the head brothergc!!

          • brothergc

            sad liberals complaining “I am offended ” The consitition protects freedom of speech, it does not guarantee that you wont get your feelings hurt but the same ones will acuse you of being a bigot , and a hater , seems to me that they are happy only when it is in their favor. I a offended everyday at work with people dropping f bombs , but that is their right . Point is you dont see me launching law suites or complaing ” I am offended ” on some website or trying to force my believes on them

          • randall_laughbaum

            BrotherGC-
            The only people that are putting ANYONE at risk would be people like YOU! Your ignorance is showing again– I am a Christian and I am a heterosexual that has been happily married to my beautiful wife for over 30 years with a born daughter and an adopted son. And I can GUARANTEE you that the Bible does NOT say being gay is a sin– (might be your interpretation, but you cannot show me anywhere IN CONTEXT where the Bible states that!) Sounds like you need to do more research!

          • brothergc

            I will not deate with you get this thru your head You lost any respect from Me when You called abigail bigot and me a mental case You did not even have the deciency to apoligise , you even lied about what you did You have no Honor Your words and attiude are far From Christian all You do is type is Caps which indicates your yelling . suggest You take a big deep breath and pray about it

          • randall_laughbaum

            BrotherGC-
            You CANNOT debate with me if you do not have FACTS- because it will only make you look bad– I suggest you attend a church of your choice and ACTUALLY listen this time and then attend a spelling class and do some research and obtain some FACTS and maybe you will be ready to debate me! Have a GREAT day and may God bless you!

          • brothergc

            and again with the caps and it is not I can not it is I will not big difference

          • randall_laughbaum

            and again– petty IGNORANCE instead of some FACTS!

          • randall_laughbaum

            You apparently feel the need to control people– You want to FORCE your beliefs on others– and when you see that won’t work you try to control how a person posts! All I can say is I will pray for you!

          • Lorie Rinke

            My question exactly, what will it take to unite us & force us to stand up?

          • I find it offensive to be called a troll

          • Salvatore Mazzotta

            Would you rather be called Tractor?

          • By my name

          • Meredith Washburn

            Rev? Really! Who ordained you. They are not being who they are because God made us male and female one can not change what God had created (DNA).

          • I know you are not use to other Christians not having your same mindset. Transgender people are being who they are and many keep attacking who they are.

          • Meredith Washburn

            So by your logic God made a mistake. The Bible says He (God) created them male and female, no where does the Bible say male and female are interchangeable.

          • What about what Jesus said about eunuchs?

      • If you are truly a Reverend as your name claims — then you need to repent and get right with God.

    • Do you understand the impact of refusing to address transgender people in the manner that they ask?

      1. You tell them that “I know better than you ”

      2. I hear you but I am not listening

      3. I will constantly disrespect you and teach others to do the same

      4.Your being uncomfortable and your hurt is fine as long as I feel comfortable

      5. Your truth about yourself means little to me

  • So, one of my favorite words is context. Information without context is propaganda. We read about how the tiny group, transgender people are trying to take away the rights of others. These new laws, fining you just for calling a person the wrong pronoun, etc. Saying that this part of some agenda to hush and police “Christians” is a propaganda tool. I always say who benefits from painting transgender people as the enemy or as a group to fear? Who benefits from pushing the message that we are in a “culture” war? Who benefits financially and socially from these messages?

    The question I ask why did New York City and Washington pass these Transgender protection laws?

    New York City Local Law No. 3 was passed in (2002)

    Why the law?

    “The legislative history reflects that transgender people face frequent and severe discrimination such that protection from discrimination is “very often a matter of life and death.” Recognizing the profoundly debilitating impact of gender-based discrimination on transgender and other gender non-conforming individuals, the amendment makes clear that “gender-based discrimination – including, but not limited to, discrimination based on an individual’s actual or perceived “blank” and discrimination based on an individual’s gender identity, self-image, appearance, behavior, or expression – constitutes a violation of the City’s Human Rights Law.”

    Wait, did that say 2002?

    This law has been on the books since 2002 in New York City? Ponder that for a second. Why the interest now? Why after 14 years?

    What does calling a person by the name or surname that they request hurt you?

    Do you agree that transgender people face frequent and severe discrimination?

    Do you understand the impact of refusing to address transgender people in the manner that they ask?

    1. You tell them that “I know better than you ”

    2. I hear you but I am not listening

    3. I will constantly disrespect you and teach others to do the same

    4.Your being uncomfortable and your hurt is fine as long as I feel comfortable

    5. Your truth about yourself means little to me

    In this article it was stated, “Even more disturbing was the editorial in the Charlotte Observer, which stated, “Girls need to get over the ‘discomfort’ they may feel at seeing male genitalia in the locker room,” just as in the past whites had to get over the discomfort of sharing facilities with blacks.”

    Why no link to the actual editorial? The editorial was, “Taken the Fear Out of the Bathroom”.

    The actual comment was, “Yes, the thought of male “parts” (my wording) in girls’ locker rooms – and vice versa – might be distressing to some. But the battle for equality has always been in part about overcoming discomfort – with blacks sharing facilities, with gays sharing marriage – then realizing that it was not nearly so awful as some people imagined.”

    See how different that sounds than, “Girls need to get over the ‘discomfort’ they may feel at seeing male genitalia in the locker room,” just as in the past whites had to get over the discomfort of sharing facilities with blacks.”

  • brothergc

    Hear is something to consider and ponder , If You are part of this movemet that supports alowing transgender access to showers and bathrooms , then consider this , You are suporting removing the barrers that that will open the floodgates to people who will out right lie to take advantage of this , al they have to do is say I am trasngender NO proof is required , and while we are at it their is no way to disprove that they are not lying. It is not like the racial issues back when, then one could easy see that a person was white , black , or what ever , So That dog won’t hunt .
    Also consider that if this bathroom issue becomes the norm , and people get hurt , would it not be on Your heads ?
    People are already taking advantage of this who are not transgender it is in the news
    Finaly Let Me say this , while I do have compassion on those who suffer with true Transgender , Your comfort at the expence of the saftey and privacy rights of others comes at too High a price .

    • No you are not. For instance New York City has had transgender laws on their books since 2002 and nothing. And no one is taking advantage of any of this except conservative talking heads.

    • randall_laughbaum

      brothergc- No need to ponder on it at all– YOU are part of a movement that supports discrimination and spreading fear without any evidence! It is baloney! Transgender people have used restrooms right beside you I am sure– and guess what– YOU were not violated, raped, molested, gawked at, or in danger in ANY WAY! It seems people like YOU are the ones that have a mental problem and should have it checked out!

      • Since they are already doing it, then no laws are needed.

        Anyone who truly believes they are the opposite gender are going to live like it. They are going to look like it and act like it and go undetected. They do not need a law. They are not the issue.

        The issue is preventing men from throwing on a wig and dress and “claiming” to be transgendered. Some have already been caught filming over shower stalls and in bathroom stalls. So, yes, it IS a problem for THOSE kinds of people.

        • randall_laughbaum

          Then you do NOT make a law that discriminates against the people that are not causing problems- You arrest those that are ACTUALLY committing the crime– like harassment! If someone is caught harassing like filming- then have them arrested–

          • Those who are truly living like the opposite gender are not being discriminated against since no one would even know. No one is talking about doing a physical exam at the door. The only ones a law will stop are the ones who are not actually living as the opposite gender. Therefore, I would have to question whether they are truly trans or not anyway.

            Question for you…and I am asking seriously. I do not know if you are married or if you have daughters. But if you are and do…if your wife did not feel comfortable undressing in front of a man, would you want a man to have access to the locker room? Right now, all a man has to do is claim to be trans and he is protected. And your wife’s feelings don’t count.

            Would you want your little girl to have to shower at school in front a boy?

            These are real issues. Single use showers and single use bathrooms are a better solution for everyone involved! They are safer on so many levels and there would not need to be laws.

          • randall_laughbaum

            But they WOULD be with the HB2 Bill in North Carolina– Chaz Bono (who used to be Chastity Bono) looks and lives like a man– but she still has women’s parts– In North Carolina currently she would HAVE to use the ladies restroom or possibly get arrested!
            The best solution is not being so STUPID and if you feel uncomfortable using the PUBLIC facilities- then do NOT go out in PUBLIC or wait until you get home to take care of your needs– like I would be uncomfortable sharing anything with you if I knew your bigoted attitude anyway!
            Yes I have been married for over THIRTY years and have a son and daughter- NEVER NEVER have we had an issue like you describe– If you are so ashamed of the beauty of a body that God made– then I would suggest it is YOUR problem!

          • brothergc

            Abigail , some of these people just do not care if Your rights and the rights of others get trampled , some just refuse to even try to see the others side and some just care only about what they want period,they are like little childern throwing a temper tatrum when they do not get their way . I have seen allready the “bigot” word thrown out their just like a little child screeming ” I hate you ” while their throwing their fit .I suggest do no even try to debate this guy . I feel sorry for him

          • randall_laughbaum

            I NEVER called ANYONE specifically a bigot– However, if the shoe fits wear it! I respect a person’s opinions IF they are based on FACTS- however, I realize that EVERYONE is entitled to their opinion- however, as in this case, if you cannot base your beliefs on FACTS then remain among the ignorant, and I suggest you do not try to debate with those that have the FACTS because you will just get disappointed! It might be best for you to do something about the problems YOU have instead of feeling sorry for someone that has explained the FACTS to you!

          • brothergc

            sure you did that is why I flagged that post and it got deleted

          • randall_laughbaum

            BrotherGC- No- I did not specifically call you a Bigot– however, there are certain beliefs in certain subjects that would make you one if you believe them! A mere definition of the word! So again- if the shoe fits- wear it– so you are also admitting that you not only believe in discriminating against people but you believe in censorship! NICE! Have a great day and may GOD Bless you!

          • brothergc

            no but you did with Abigail and called me mentaly unsatble and called me ignorant , see insulting people is not cool and makes You look like a fool , but I always say give a fool enough rope and He will hang Himself

          • randall_laughbaum

            Brothergc-
            I laid out the FACTS- you have not even tried to disprove them! Until you can come back with FACTS, how can there be a debate?

          • brothergc

            more rope please

          • randall_laughbaum

            You can have as much rope as you need to hang yourself– if that is what you want to do instead of obtaining some FACTS!

        • brothergc

          truth be known Yu do not even need a wig , you could look like the typlical man with a beard and all one has to do is say ” I identify as a women” and bingo your in

      • brothergc

        wow having a temper tantrum are we ? well let me know when you calm down.
        if You will take a objective and open minded aproach and search google you will find that Your statment is not valid . And if you believe that some straight males will not use this as a excuse to exploit women , or a pedofile using this as a excuse to take picks of childern then Your either out of touch with reality or living under a rock
        Rememer NO proof is required , all one has to say is I identify as a transgender . Aslo consider we all have cell phones with cameras , do you honesty believe that their are those who will not use them ?

        • randall_laughbaum

          No tantrum- am just telling it like it is– And what keeps a female from taking pictures to sell? See you can make ANY excuse you want- however, the FACTS are that a PUBLIC restroom is just that- PUBLIC- just like a PUBLIC water fountain! Now- if a person is doing something inappropriate in the bathroom- (it does NOT matter what gender they are) – then you deal with THAT issue appropriately! Either that or create another job for society- a phone handler that talks ALL phones and cameras, etc at the door and return them when they come back out! Do you think we are ALL in kindergarten?

          • randall_laughbaum

            *talks = takes

          • brothergc

            Your still NOT replying to the issue or just do not want to admit or see the problem so I ask point blank
            How does one tell the difference betwee a true transgender and some phoney using this as a excuse if you cannot debate me with out getting emotional and name calling then just do not reply

          • randall_laughbaum

            Sure I am- especially when there is NOT an issue or a made up one– The public should be allowed to use the PUBLIC restrooms, showers or locker rooms. There has NEVER been a guarantee that you may not have to share it with somebody (does not matter what gender) and if you feel uncomfortable sharing a PUBLIC facility made for the public– than either find a single person facility where it can be locked or go HOME and use your PRIVATE facility! To answer your question point blank- you sometimes CANNOT tell a true transgender or one that is not– but my above scenario settles ALL issues in that regard! It does NOT matter if the person is a TRUE transgender or not- if they act inappropriately in regards to the law- harassment etc- than report him/her and have him/her arrested! I have never gotten emotional or called you a specific name– but if you fit among those that are ignorant- if the shoe fits, wear it! You realize EVERYONE is entitled to their opinion- (even if it is wrong- but NOBODY is entitled to their OWN FACTS! FACTS are those pesky things that get in the way when you are trying to convince others of your beliefs which are NOT supported by FACTS!

          • brothergc

            Thank You for admitting you can not tell the difference My point is made rant all You want but But you allready used the “bigot” word in reply to abigail. called me mentaly unstabe and said I should get help that tells me VOLUMES about You God Bless You
            edit done with this guy say what you will just done

          • randall_laughbaum

            BrotherGC- Yes- a person may not be able to tell the difference– but it doesn’t matter in a PUBLIC facility! Again- I did not SPECIFICALLY call anyone a name– but most people can identify when they fit in! A TRUE Christian will live by the TRUE teachings of Christ which would be not to judge others! Again I would not know if you are mentally unstable– and if you are it would not matter to me- there are places that you can seek help– anyway- your post also shows the FAITH you have in God– do you not think he would protect you during your Very traumatic experience in a public facility? If you actually research the subject and bring back some FACTS, I will be glad to debate you– otherwise you should run away– because you will only get embarrassed otherwise!

          • brothergc

            no I am not running away that is what you want to buly people into doing so.
            I can see right thru you and I always say ” only a fool debates a fool “

          • randall_laughbaum

            I don’t care if you run away or not– but until you have some FACTS to share, you will be useless in this discussion! A fool cannot even try to debate and have any chance of making any sense without FACTS! So when you obtain some- come back so we CAN debate!

          • brothergc

            how can I have any facts when acroding to you are the self apointed holder of all the facts . no one else knows the facts but you ( acrording to you)

            the arrogance of this man is astounding”

          • randall_laughbaum

            Research them like we ALL have to do–

          • Jeff

            Sorry sir, you are a bit mistaken. My teenage daughter being required to dress in a dressing room with men is an affront to HER rights. I can’t even believe this is a conversation. We are falling so far, so fast into a moral abyss.

          • randall_laughbaum

            Jeff- No– Nobody has required ANYONE to dress in a PUBLIC facility– I have no idea where you are talking about- but MOST dressing rooms, especially in a store, are individual dressing rooms! PLEASE CITE me a time when your daughter was required to dress in front of men in a dressing room! Bet you cannot!

          • Jeff

            The movement is into the public schools. Ft Worth has already tried to implement these policies. So if my daughter wants to play basketball, or even take a PE class that is REQUIRED she will be REQUIRED to dress with anyone who identifies (at least at that particular time) as a female. You’re being naive at best if you don’t think that is where this is going.

          • randall_laughbaum

            Jeff- So again I ask where your daughter has been asked to dress in a dressing room in front of MEN! The last time I checked even though it is a PUBLIC school, MEN cannot just walk into the school and into women’s dressing rooms! Again you have failed to make a point! Want to try another LAME excuse?

          • Jeff

            Are you so obtuse?! I’m not talking about what HAS happened. I’m talking about what WILL happen when all these these new rules are enacted. Are you really so slow to understand, or are you just messing with me? Either way, I’m done with you.

          • brothergc

            he does not want to understand for if he did he would be admitting defete he just wants to bait people and wants to be irritating and agitating people But when Obama wants to threaten the public school system that if you do not adhere to the transgender rule then he is going to take away the federal free lunch program. And many and many and many of the poor children that are on the free lunch program are going to starve for breakfast and lunch because their parents can’t afford to pay for their breakfast and lunch.

          • randall_laughbaum

            I understand – but will not accept ignorance!

          • randall_laughbaum

            If a State refuses to uphold the Constitution– than why should they get Federal funding? Maybe they should secede from America!

          • brothergc

            oh good one Lets hear some more of that obnoxious bleeding heart liberal wisdom from a man who self proclaimed hinself to “Have all the facts ”
            Your a riot , ROFL

          • randall_laughbaum

            Glad you enjoy the education- since apparently you need it!

          • randall_laughbaum

            Jeff- What good is it to try to say what WILL happen? Because NOBODY knows– you have NO idea what will happen either! Anyway- there are NO NEW RULES– the new rules that have been put in are the ones that will discriminate and need to be repealed- HB2 in North Carolina and the like! Transgenders have ALWAYS been allowed in the restroom of their choice– the laws are trying to tell them they cannot! Get your information straight! Chaz Bono (used to be Chastity Bono) has revealed she ALWAYS uses the men’s restroom! She would freak out women if she used the ladies room- and unless you PERSONALLY knew her, you would have NEVER known that even though she looks like a man, that she is a woman!

          • brothergc

            you and the Rev Gerald Palmer should hook up , You all would be best buds , The blind leading the blind perfect match

          • brothergc

            good one , more rope please

          • randall_laughbaum

            You can have as much rope as you need to hang yourself!

          • randall_laughbaum

            Jeff- And I have no problem with your threats– if you do not have any FACTS to share– it is best not to post at all!

      • Meredith Washburn

        You know this isn’t even a transgender issue it is the loop hole that accommodates predators such as rapist and pedophiles. Targets policy doesn’t even speak of transgender it just says you can use the restroom you identify with that is a very broad and dangerous policy.

        • brothergc

          well speaking of target have you seen the latest on the stream on how their stocks are down . Not looking good for them

          • Meredith Washburn

            Yes, although Target claims it is normal this time of year, but I don’t buy it. No pun intended.

          • brothergc

            looks Like the LBGT has overplayed their hand , when you get between a parent protecting their child , You realy have a fight on their hands .

          • randall_laughbaum

            brothergc- No need to ponder on it at all– YOU are part of a movement that supports discrimination and spreading fear without any evidence! It is baloney! Transgender people have used restrooms right beside you I am sure– and guess what– YOU were not violated, raped, molested, gawked at, or in danger in ANY WAY! It seems people like YOU are the ones that have a mental problem and should have it checked out!

          • randall_laughbaum

            brothergc- No need to ponder on it at all– YOU are part of a movement that supports discrimination and spreading fear without any evidence! It is baloney! Transgender people have used restrooms right beside you I am sure– and guess what– YOU were not violated, raped, molested, gawked at, or in danger in ANY WAY! It seems people like YOU are the ones that have a mental problem and should have it checked out!

          • brothergc

            not true
            oh good one Lets hear some more of that obnoxious wisdom from a man who self proclaimed hinself to “Have all the facts ”
            Your a riot , ROFL

    • randall_laughbaum

      brothergc- No need to ponder on it at all– YOU are part of a movement that supports discrimination and spreading fear without any evidence! It is baloney! Transgender people have used restrooms right beside you I am sure– and guess what– YOU were not violated, raped, molested, gawked at, or in danger in ANY WAY! It seems people like YOU are the ones that have a mental problem and should have it checked out!

    • Boyana Darveniza

      hey brothergc, im not sure if you quite understand the process of legally being seen as transgender.
      Of course, bathroom safety is important, but are you saying that cisgender people would willingly go through therapy, hormone replacement, dress differently, /live/ differently and go through sex reassignment surgery //just// to sneak into a bathroom?
      i dunno, just seem pretty far fetched to me.
      Like, imagine if you were a cisgender male who wanted to go into a women’s bathroom. would you be willing to put up with all of the above as well as wear dresses and skirts, makeup and heels in public? do you really think you would do that?

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  • randall_laughbaum

    North Carolina is catching a lot of heat for its controversial law barring transgender people from using bathrooms in schools and government facilities that correspond with their gender identity.

    But it turns out North Carolina is not so unique. At least 15 other states have tried to pass, or are currently considering, similar measures. These include Texas, South Dakota, Missouri, Illinois, Massachusetts, and Wisconsin, as well as Tennessee, where lawmakers again decided to push the bill to a later session.

    The central idea behind these bills is the myth that if transgender people are legally permitted to use the bathrooms of their choice, sexual predators will take advantage of the law to enter women’s bathrooms and sexually harass or assault them.

    So in order to protect women, state lawmakers decide to further restrict a significantly marginalized group of people. But research has not shown women to be more vulnerable in public bathrooms than in any other public space.

    And since sexual assault and harassment are generally already illegal, these laws would essentially be ineffective in reducing this risk. In fact, experts from 12 states with LGBTQ protections could not identify a single reported instance of sexual assaults of this nature in bathrooms.

    So why does this myth persist?

    Though the issue of transgender bathroom bills received national attention just recently, it repeats troubling rhetoric used to discriminate against marginalized groups throughout history. Mainly, rejecting or criminalizing a disadvantaged group for the sake of “women’s safety.”

    The US has discriminated against minorities on behalf of women since the transatlantic slave trade

    The idea that different groups threaten women’s virtue and safety has been repurposed and resold for decades. Consider the way black men have been perceived in the US. The so-called “black brute” caricature took hold after slavery during the Reconstruction period from 1865 to 1877.

    During this period, many white thought leaders argued that black people were inherently animalistic and criminal; without slavery, blacks would revert to their savage ways, they said. This image of the “black brute” established the foundation for the ways we link black men to violence in modern society.

    • Because it actually IS happening. Do some searches. The evidence is out there.

      There are other solutions. Like single person bathrooms that are much safer for everyone. It is also not limited to bathrooms.

      The greater issue is locker rooms and showers. And yes, that is happening, too. Some girls went into a locker/shower room and found a boy sitting there. He was not even changing or showering. He was sitting there on his phone. What is to stop someone from taking photos of women/girls changing?

      This issue is much greater than just bathrooms.

      • randall_laughbaum

        No- it is not! The crime is NOT that a person is inside a PUBLIC locker room or bathroom– the crime would be taking the pictures– arrest him for that! There are many people that would pay for nude pictures– what would keep a FEMALE from taking photos and selling them?? You see– you have a VERY NARROW mind! Probably from watching too much FAUX NEWS or something!

        • brothergc

          ahh the rope is getting tighter

          • randall_laughbaum

            Ahh- You not only believe in discrimination and bigotry, you also believe in censorship!

          • randall_laughbaum

            So you are saying you are not only promoting bigotry but censoring also?

    • Meredith Washburn

      Huh…and this coming from a male, you have no clue. When you are a woman then what you say will carry some weight BUT until then…..

      • randall_laughbaum

        Actually I am the one with the clue– (along with the FACTS)- seems you are the one without a clue!

    • Joe

      Your arguments are misleading and false. There may be 12 states with LGBT protections but those are not the bathroom issue. Protection of gays during a job interview does not grant men access to women’s facilities. You’re arguments have no merit and are simply trying to manipulate the ignorant

    • kagl982

      You actually believe this stuff?

      • brothergc

        oh He is delusional, He realy crackes Me Up ranting and raving like a fool , get out the popcorn ROFL

        • randall_laughbaum

          ^^^ rope ^^^

    • Lindsay Andal

      Of course they haven’t identified “reported instance(s) of sexual assault”-and “research has not shown women to be more vulnerable in public bathrooms than in any other public space” yet, because the law was just put into effect, there hasn’t been enough time to even gather any sort of documentation and men haven’t been allowed in there ever before! You can’t gather research on something that doesn’t exist!

      “Disadvantaged group”??? Hello, if you have a penis, you have a bathroom to use, if a vagina, you also have a bathroom to use. Same advantages as everyone else. If I feel like a horse tomorrow, do I get a separate restroom?

      I cannot believe that anyone would dare relate this issue of sexual emotions with race and slave trade! To even compare the evils of slavery and racism to LGBT issues is ridiculous and extremely offensive. This isn’t an issue of “all men being created equal,” like the issue of race is. This is an issue solely based on feelings and emotions, clearly not biology! When has basing major decisions on how you feel EVER been a good idea?? Has no one but me experienced a roller coaster of emotions that constantly change depending on time, place, situation, circumstances etc???

      When does it stop? Next we will allow attraction to animals and children…polygamy will make a come back… Because after all, “love knows no limits.”

    • Boyana Darveniza

      Thanks Randall, it’s always nice seeing a glimmer of actual logic in these insane threads. Keep up the good work!

  • brothergc

    sad liberals complaining “I am offended ” The consitition protects freedom of speech, it does not guarantee that you wont get your feelings hurt but the same ones will acuse you of being a bigot , and a hater , seems to me that they are happy only when it works in their favor. I a offended everyday at work with people dropping f bombs , but that is their right . Point is you dont see me launching law suites or complaing ” I am offended ” on some website or trying to force what I believe on them.

    But in contrast They take Christian bakers and florists to court , take everything they have their money their business all because they were “offended ” Put women and childern at risk and take away their right to privacy , so they can “feel comfortable ”
    They even prevert and remove from the Christian bible what offends them , acording to them being gay is no longer a sin
    Dr Brown is right , pretty soon they will trample Your freedom of speach.
    When .will we stand up to the madness ?

    • randall_laughbaum

      If you have a need to discriminate against someone because they believe different than you– when your tolerance ONLY covers those that believe like you do– when you think a person is not normal’ just because they have a different set of values or beliefs- then you ARE a BIGOT and a HATER! There is NO reason to be offended when someone is enjoying their Constitutional rights the same as YOU are! Any intelligent person would realize that there are MANY ways to interpret the Bible– and it is impossible to PROVE that only ONE way of interpreting it would be the correct way! There is no ‘madness’ when you realize that everybody has the right to their individual set of beliefs, as long as it does not violate a person’s Constitutional rights!

      • brothergc

        rope getting tighter

        • randall_laughbaum

          good- maybe it will cut off your breathing ability and put you (and everybody else) out of misery!

          • brothergc

            warned you about using the b word randal
            and who does the bible say is the acuser of the brotheren ?

          • randall_laughbaum

            You can warn me as much as you want— but you CANNOT control me like you think you can control others!

          • brothergc

            post flagged follow the rules of the stream

          • randall_laughbaum

            I do not follow any rules except of the Constitution!

          • brothergc

            well still waiting for you to debate “EL”

          • randall_laughbaum

            brothergc- There is nothing to debate– Women and children are no more vulnerable than they were! Nothing ha changed except that a certain group of people are not discriminated against! Show me proof that the vulnerability of women and children will increase and maybe we can have a debate– As it is now, it is like debating what will happen if the sky would turn purple instead of blue– since it won’t happen, how would ANYONE know?

          • jamson64

            Actually they are more vulnerable. When jerks like yourself will call me out for protecting my family …then you enable those that wish harm on others.

          • brothergc

            I have no desire to “controll you ” you are already out of controll

          • jamson64

            What a nut.

    • randall_laughbaum

      If you have a need to discriminate against someone because they believe different than you– when your tolerance ONLY covers those that believe like you do– when you think a person is not normal’ just because they have a different set of values or beliefs- then you ARE a BIGOT and a HATER! There is NO reason to be offended when someone is enjoying their Constitutional rights the same as YOU are! Any intelligent person would realize that there are MANY ways to interpret the Bible– and it is impossible to PROVE that only ONE way of interpreting it would be the correct way! There is no ‘madness’ when you realize that everybody has the right to their individual set of beliefs, as long as it does not violate a person’s Constitutional rights!

      • jamson64

        And dimwitted perv enabler- you want to force people to have people of the opposite sexes in their bathrooms, showers, dorms and on and on. You’re evil.

  • brothergc

    Qoute from Dr Brown
    “when a major newspaper tells teenage girls to get over their “discomfort” of seeing naked men in their shower stalls, when grown women don’t dare protest the presence of a naked man in their locker room for fear of being branded bigots, when college officials could face a federal lawsuit for informing a young woman that her new roommate is actually a biological male
    .If we don’t say “Enough is enough” today, I doubt we will say it tomorrow. Dare we wait any longer? Enough is enough!”
    I totaly agree

    • randall_laughbaum

      When a person allows another person to discriminate against ANYONE— When blacks are forced to sit on the back of the bus– When transgenders are forced to use a restroom they will get beat up and harassed in—
      Enough IS enough!

      • el

        Yet the answer is to allow women and children to be more vulnerable? I have been in restrooms with trans, and it was not a big concern for me. What is, it that any predator could pretend to be trans or gender fluid and have easy access to take advantage of us. We see evidence in the news of this very thing happening. I have listened to a trans agree this was a dangerous policy. There are more women and children who have been abused than there are transgenders. Why do they end up swept aside and told they are not a part of the politically correct priority list? Why do their traumas, the triggers of seeing men in formerly private areas not matter? Women fought for equality for years, and now we find another area we are not equal. One woman who told her employer she had trouble with men in the restroom due to childhood abuse. She was told she could resign and receive her severance pay, or be fired. Is that the way we treat survivors of abuse!? Another woman was slipped the date rape drug, and could not even speak as she staggered to the ladies room to get away from him. He followed, but eventually left as it was noticeable he was a male inside the ladies room doorway. What happens when it is routine to see men in the ladies room in this instance? Do you see it makes the situation more dangerous for women and children. In some states it is a violation with a hefty fine to question a male in the ladies room. Free speech thrown out, to make it easier for any predator, voyeur or prankster to mess with us. I would like to think we matter too.

        • brothergc

          well said and I agree
          but get ready Randal has closed his mind to this , he does not want to see , the attack is comming

          • randall_laughbaum

            brothergc-
            I am glad you realize the faulty logic of ‘el’.

          • brothergc

            more rope

          • randall_laughbaum

            ^^^^ more dope ^^^^

          • brothergc

            more rope

          • brothergc

            so you need “more dope” ahh that explains it

          • brothergc

            so you need “more dope “, ahh that explains everything !

          • brothergc

            are we afraid to debate “el” notice I said debate , not attack

      • brothergc

        rope

        • randall_laughbaum

          ^^^^ a dope ^^^^

      • jamson64

        So any man can go into a woman’s restroom…right? If not you’re discriminating. You’re insane and you look insane. I’d run the other way seeing you.

  • missym

    You’re a charismatic approving Bible teacher, You might be right on this issue but you have nutty theology only a handful of people are going to listen to you

  • brothergc

    And again Randal Is ranting .
    here is a fact for you , I had a very good friend , Brother Louie , He used to be gay , but He gave His heart to the Lord ,went straight , married a real Nice Lady Sister Carol . 15 years latter He died of AIDS

    see that is what a real relationship With Jesus Christ can do , I changed that mans Heart

    “The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor. He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to set the capitives free” We were all sinners , But The Lord set Louie free , but when You deny the existance of sin , how can one be set free ? You make the word of God no effect
    You do not Know Me randal but I expect You will just keep ranting and using The “B” word I ask you this , who does the bible say is the accuser of the brothern ?
    No Randal I will not debate with you

    • randall_laughbaum

      A relationship with JC will kill someone with AIDS? Hmmm.. Your logic is quite faulty– so NO you do not have the ability to debate!

      • brothergc

        And you have no compassion How dare You dishoner My friends memory You obnoxious Little troll ,

        You crossed a line here pal , I was trying to show my compassion , that I do not hate gays I reached out with a honest story and all You know how to to is attack . You call Yourself christian , I do not see it ,

        You cry for compassion but You show none you cry for the the rights of the opressed when it YOU who opress the rights of others , You cry your respect for others , but show none . hypocrite

        • randall_laughbaum

          Hey- sure- I will send my sympathies that your friend has died– A death is not easy to deal with- However, I only commented on your logic- You start out talking about a friend that you have that is gay– GREAT- glad he was your friend– however, if he wanted you to help him change than again, glad you did- but the REAL question is– if he did not WANT to change and he decided not to– would you still have kept him as a friend? That is the REAL question- but since it is hypothetical I guess we will never know–

          • brothergc

            I was a friend To Bro Louie when no one else would be the stigma of aids made most people uncomfortable , I met Bro Louie in church , it was his idea to repent , not mine . people like You Make the word of no efect thru you theological mumbo jumbo . Louie was a very dear friend , He was funny and Loved the Lord
            Now while all That I said is the absolute truth about My experience with Louie , I did not tell You everything , see I posted brother Louies testmony to bait You . Part of me was hoping that You would reply with a kind word ,show some thread of compassion But You did not and Your feeble atempt at damage control is sad , You could have offered a apoligy , but no ,You attacked. You have no humility , just Pride ,and the word says pride is a sin .
            I set the trap and You took The bait , Hook Line and sinker . You showed Your true colors and and proved My point , give a fool enough rope , and he will hang himself , and You did just that with flying colors

          • randall_laughbaum

            Your so-called trap is as faulty as your logic– As you see your trap did not trap me at all- I commented that your story had NOTHING to do with the issue! A diversion at best! I NEVER attacked you– but am trying to educate you on the FACTS! Another FACT is that since God also creates ‘gays’ than why would it be a sin to be ‘gay’! You need to learn to interpret better-

          • Jim Walker

            Randall
            If you are indeed a Christian you will understand clearly this verse

            “To live is Christ, to die is gain.”
            Philippians 1:21

            Brothergc’s friend Louie has Jesus and that is all he needed and in death, be it Aids, or old age, we as Christians do not fear or feel its a lost as we are all going to a better place. Clearly explained in this verse

            “He who finds his life will lose it, and he who loses his life for My sake will find it.”
            ‭‭Matthew‬ ‭10:39‬

          • randall_laughbaum

            See– always twisting the words– last verse says NOTHING about going to a better place– just states if you find your life you will lose it and if you lose your life you will find it–

          • Jim Walker

            Randall, I guess you don’t believe heaven exists

          • randall_laughbaum

            Jim Walker- Doesn’t matter what I believe– depends on YOUR interpretation! You have the right to believe what you want– as far as if there really is or is not– NOBODY will know for certain until the time comes!

          • brothergc

            rope a dope

  • bhrush

    this is what happens when insane perverts are in leadership of govt. and courts ( judges) .

  • I don’t know where this culture is headed, but it’s no longer where it once was. It’s all insanity. Resist.

  • jamson64

    Remember randall is a pro-deather.

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