An Open Letter to Bruce Springsteen and His Band

In this November 2, 2008 file photo, Singer Bruce Springsteen and his wife Patti Scialfa listen as then-Democratic presidential nominee Barack Obama speaks during a campaign rally at the Cleveland Mall in Cleveland, Ohio.

By Michael Brown Published on April 10, 2016

Dear Bruce,

As a resident of North Carolina since 2003, I read with interest that you decided to cancel your April 10th concert in Greensboro because of HB2, the Public Facilities Privacy and Security Act.

In your statement you explained that, in your view, the bill is “an attempt by people who cannot stand the progress our country has made in recognizing the human rights of all of our citizens to overturn that progress.”

You added that it was time for you and your band “to show solidarity for those freedom fighters” (speaking of transgender activists), and you ended your statement with these powerful words: “Some things are more important than a rock show and this fight against prejudice and bigotry — which is happening as I write — is one of them. It is the strongest means I have for raising my voice in opposition to those who continue to push us backwards instead of forwards.”

I also read that your guitarist, Steven Van Zandt, has likened HB2 to an “evil virus” that is spreading through the United States in the form of similar legislation.

These are strong words, and they represent strong convictions. So, let me first commend you and your band members for putting your principles before your livelihood, even to the disappointment of your North Carolina fans. I have read that you regretted not performing at the 1985 Live Aid concert in Wembley, and perhaps this is your way of saying, “I do care and I’m here to make a difference.”

Whatever your motivation, I admire anyone who puts morality before money. My question to you and your band is simply this: In boycotting North Carolina and siding against HB2, did you really side with morality? Are you truly standing with “freedom fighters”?

I’m assuming you read HB2 for yourself and you’re not just listening to media reports attacking the bill or, worse still, getting your talking points from biased lobbyist groups like the Human Rights Campaign. (If you’re not really familiar with the bill, then click here and here and here.)

So, please allow me to ask you some questions.

First, how do you know if someone is really “transgender” or not? Is it determined entirely by how they feel about themselves? If so, do you think that it might be hard to make laws based entirely on how people feel? Did you ever stop to consider that?

Second, what’s the difference between someone with “gender dysphoria” (or, as it used to be called, “gender identity disorder”) and someone, say, with schizophrenia or “multiple personality disorder” or some other psychological condition? In other words, if a man is a biological and chromosomal male but believes he is a woman, is he actually a woman, or does he have a psychological disorder?

If he does have a psychological disorder, should we try to treat that disorder or should we celebrate that disorder? And is it right to call biological males who feel they are women and biological women who feel they are men “freedom fighters”? Perhaps that’s not the best use of the term?

If you are deeply offended that I would dare suggest that many transgender individuals are dealing with a psychological disorder, could you kindly point me to the definitive scientific literature that explains that these biological males are actually females and these biological females are actually males?

I’m not saying they don’t deserve compassion. To the contrary, I’m saying that’s exactly what they deserve: compassion, not celebration.

But perhaps I’m being too abstract here, so let’s get really practical. Let’s say that a 6’ 4” male who used to play professional football and who has secretly agonized over his gender identity for years finally determines that he must be true to himself and live as a woman.

Do you think it might be traumatic for a little girl using the library bathroom to see this big man walk into her room wearing a dress and a wig? Should we take her feelings into account, or is she not important? What if that was your granddaughter? Would you care if she was traumatized? And when you speak of “the human rights of all of our citizens” does that include little girls like this?

I understand that this gentleman will have difficulties should he decide to dress and live as a woman, but that is still a choice he is making, and it is not fair to impose his struggles on innocent little children, is it?

And what if this same man, whom we’ll assume is not a sexual predator, wants to share the YMCA locker room with your wife and daughter, standing there in his underwear as they come out of the shower stalls wrapped in towels. Is this fair to them?

Let’s take this one step further. If any man who claims to be a woman can use women’s bathrooms and locker rooms, then how do we keep the sexual predators out? I’ve asked people to watch this short video, giving examples of male heterosexual predators who donned women’s clothing to get into the ladies’ rooms, and I’d encourage you to watch it too. Without HB2, rapists and voyeurs and pedophiles would have free access to our women and daughters in the safety of their own bathrooms and locker rooms.

Since you don’t like HB2 — indeed, your guitarist called it an “evil virus” — what’s your plan to keep the predators out? How can we tell the difference between a “genuine” transgender person and a sexual predator? Since everyone knows you as “The Boss,” what would you do to keep the ladies and children safe?

And one final question.

When you booked the concert in Greenboro, the laws in North Carolina were just as they are today: In public facilities, people had to use the bathrooms and locker rooms that corresponded to their biological sex. Why, then, did you agree to come in the first place? Why cancel the concert when things today are just what they were six months ago?

Again, I appreciate your sincerity, but I question your judgment. In your zeal to do what is right, you have actually done what is wrong.

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  • Joe W.

    Well said, Dr. Brown….Unfortunately, I doubt that Mr. Springsteen has given this any real thought, nor do I believe that he really cares on little bit.

    I doubt that he will bother to take the time to read your respectful, well constructed letter.

    I wish I were wrong, but I believe I am correct.

    Thank you for continuing the fight for common sense and common decency in our once great nation, Dr. Brown.

    • Aniston’s Revenge

      Statistics show that more Republican politicians have been arrested in bathrooms than transexuals. Shouldn’t we be focusing on the REAL problem?

  • Tim Bushong

    Excellent, Dr. Brown.
    (from a big “fan” of Dr. White!)
    Love it. Blessings, brother.

  • Anita

    As always, you speak the Truth with compassion.

  • timzank

    Very well written.

  • MaxVeritas

    Good one Bruce that’s how you love your neighbor, punish your fans for something they had nothing to do with.

    • Robert W Ryder

      Lol, shows you how reto he really isss!!!!!#! 🙂 😉

    • Steen Goddik

      They voted for the bigots who passed the law.

      • Different handle

        BIGOTS !!

        DRINK !!

  • bmitchell

    I find people like Bruce Springsteen need to get their 15 seconds of fame where ever they can. Your letter was very well put Dr. Brown. Liberals are the first to scream and the loudest when it hits home.

    • Steve Hughes

      I’m not sure that accusing Springsteen of looking for his 15 seconds of fame is ridiculous as he has been making music for at least 4 decades. And I think the saying you were going for was “…15 minutes of fame….” .

      • bmitchell

        Yes he was once something. Now he’s aging old rocker who needs to get attention when and where he can. Hence his 15 minutes of fame

        • Dilby

          Another Justin Bieber fan no doubt.

    • humansarestoopid

      Poor, dear Bruce Springsteen (aka The Boss, for some reason) still trying to become famous. Maybe this “stunt” will make it happen for him.

  • Carolyn Dolloff

    Very concise and to the point. I just do not understand how these people “care not for anyone else except themselves”. It would be traumatic for me – at 62 – to walk in and see any of these scenarios. Who knows? If I am a concealed-carrier, I might think some perverted act was about to transpire and shoot them!

    • Linda

      Enjoy your stint in prison.

      • Carolyn Dolloff

        For what?!? Protecting myself??? Not gonna happen…

        • Linda

          Protecting yourself against what??

    • Steen Goddik

      So now you bigots are threatening violence. This is why we need better gun control. So bigoted unstable people like Carolyn don’t have access to guns. As a gun owner, she clearly is not responsible, and her craziness will result in more gun rules for the rest of us

      • Brian

        Ahh because more gun control has just worked sooo well for liberal democratic cities so far. How does that go? More gun control, higher murder rates. Sorry Steen but the only bigot here is you.

      • Carolyn Dolloff

        I never said I was a gun owner. I was giving an example. Geez!! You people have no brains?? I – personally – never even liked guns! But if I thought something bad was going down, I would not hesitate to intervene!! You are so busy trying to force your own ways and/or thinking on everyone else, you do not consider anyone else’s feelings or thoughts!! THAT is much more EVIL! BTW, “gun control” doesn’t work. If guns are desired, a law will not stop the person trying to get one.

        • humansarestoopid

          And “bathroom laws” won’t work either. If a pervert wants access to kids or women, a law isn’t going to stop them.

    • Parque_Hundido

      You should be taken out of society and put forever into a prison with no access to any other human being. I hope you haven’t spawned. You are a cancer on this country.

      • Carolyn Dolloff

        Nope. You are. I was just giving an example. I love “humans”. I hate the “sins” they try to push and force on the rest of us. We perform our own errors and sins. I don’t need someone else to try to foist theirs on me!! Get a grip and GROW UP!!

        I also had the thinking that if this is okay to do, why are the “Christian” business owners not also allowed to “not perform” for whomever they choose due to a conflict of beliefs??!!?

        • Parque_Hundido

          Sorry, we have to be the adults here since you insist on pretending that your sky monster Jesus is real. Your superstition compels you to bring up children in an environment of hate and abuse.

          Sorry, you’re an unfit parent. We should take away your children and give them to a loving gay couple who can be trusted to rear them without the hate and brain washing.

    • humansarestoopid

      Other than peaking in the occupied stalls, how would you know that someone’s transgender?

  • Kevyn Wagner

    Very well stated.

  • W Clark

    Well said. It seems like the hardworking, church going, everyday people are dismissed as unimportant. Or maybe these rock stars and other “artists” just want a cause to support without really investigating the matter. Could it be they are looking for any way to get their faces and names in the media?

    • humansarestoopid

      Exactly. I’d never heard of Bruce Springsteen until he pulled this stunt. /sarcasm

  • Billionaire Bruce is an Obama voter. He wrote some catchy tunes and dresses like a bum and goes around and milks that gig whenever he wants to. He doesn’t need the money, but he likes the stage and ego trip it puts him on. So Obama is all about the LBGT agenda, and Brucie is with it too. When guys like Brucie and Little Stevie and Obama and Brad Pitt break a lance for that cause, it’s their way of coming out of the closet so to speak. So, the open letter is sensible to sensible people, but Brucie and Obama and the others aren’t really sensible.

    • Linda

      Actually there is no LGBT agenda, but there IS a fundamental Christian agenda that is very unAmerican.

      • John Yowza

        you have it backwards

      • mmmm7777

        The Christian agenda was funded with the US constitution that actually gives rights to every person including LGBT to have protections under the law… So if any, LGBT owe Christians the power they have gotten to date. If not, have the LGBT trying to do what they do in other parts of the world.. Christians have been a blessing to the LGBT movement…

        • Linda

          You forget about LGBT Christians.

          Also, tell that to all of those who have spoken in favor of anti-LGBT laws.

          • mmmm7777

            Speaking in favor or against a law is what democracy is (Thanks to our Constitutional fathers). Guess what, the majority of NC voted for this law… They understand it (and again, does not discriminate vs LGBT) but the LGBT movement will do what they know how to do very well.. Call everybody a bigot and scare people with exposing them and trying to destroy their lives and businesses, etc.. I assume ee can call this an agenda…

          • Steen Goddik

            Speaking for discriminatory, un-Constitutional laws is not about democracy. It is about bigotry. In this case, rightwinger, fundamentalist bigotry.

          • mmmm7777

            You will just use the word Bigotry whenever someone disagree with you. and that is the Agenda! There is nothing unconstitutional on limiting the use of bathrooms accordingly to your genitalia. I do not other if an homosexual men comes to the same bathroom where I am… How about that! It has been like that for centuries, but you call this evolving. I will not evolve to let any man (straight, transgender, gay, etc.) to go into the bathroom where my mother, wife, daughter, sister, are…. If you do not understand this, then yes, I am a bigot…

  • pastoredsmith

    Hooray! A well written, thought out letter with the proper message! This is NOT about hate, except that those who push this new bathroom bill wish to demonize anyone that disagrees with them.
    Those who wish to get unequivocal and unfettered “rights’ for LGBT to use the bathroom their ideology agrees with, regardless of their biological makeup, allowing predators and criminals access to our bathrooms “legitimately,” have demonized, called names, slandered and maligned Christians and those opposed to their “evolved” way of thinking to the point that backlash is inevitable now….UNLESS letters like this can be written and distributed in an effort of educating and informing the people of the USA that we need to rethink these new rules and consider them fully and not just shove these things through without due diligence and a closer evaluation from both sides of the issue.
    I pray Bruce Springsteen has a change of heart.

    • Steen Goddik

      Well, you ARE a bunch of pathetic bigots, so why shouldn’t you be called on your loser behavior?

      • pastoredsmith

        So, Steen, do you have anything intelligent to say or is it all you know how to do is hurl insults? No sir, you are the bigot! And, you want perverts to walk into the ladies room and gawk or video our women? You are the pathetic excuse for a human being and the only one who is a loser here.
        Protecting our privacy, especially that of our women and children from perverts is paramount to your idiocy or that of any “performer.” Get a life.

        • Steen Goddik

          Wow, you are dumb. The law let’s men walk right into women’s restrooms, because you can’t tell the difference between them and transgender men. The transgender men that your beloved hate law now says have to use women’s restroom.

          Sad that “pastor” anything supports bigotry and discrimination. Guess you are the local Satan’s agent for the Church of Hate.

  • Brian Davids

    How do they keep sexual predators out is a simple question. Or maybe something maybe slightly less evil, of teenage boys spying?
    Will there be a polygraph test? An ID card? What plan do these people have on this?

  • Leslie

    Very good questions indeed!

  • Kim Paczewski

    Thank you for your defense of my right as a female to my privacy and my dignity!

    • Steen Goddik

      So you now can,share restroom with woman-to-man transgender body builders. Look up Shawn Stinson. That’s the kind of biological woman you will now share bathroom with, thanks to your favorite law.

  • Bill Catz

    Its a shame that while the boss (lower case intentional) doesn’t agree with HB2, his intolerance shines through as one of the tolerant ones. Because this intolerant person doesn’t like some new legislation, he can’t take it out on those who wrote the law so, he takes it out on his fans and the people. Typical — attack those who had nothing to do with it so (s)he can try and look relevant.

  • Dean Bruckner

    The whole sexual identity construct is a gnostic heresy, in which people think that outward reality–molecules, chromosomes, our physical bodies–is not at all part of one’s true essence. A person’s true essence, in their view, is derived purely from the will to power. If I will myself a woman, then I am a woman, they say. The gnostics rejected matter as part of fundamental essence, and viewed it as intrinsically evil. All kinds of evil resulted. They could do ANYTHING with their body, because it was evil anyway, so who cared.

    Such thinking–that all it takes to be a woman is one’s will–is profoundly denigrating to women. It makes being a woman worthless, and is misogyny pure and simple. It is also an embarrassing contradiction of their materialistic philosophy. But the Left, which never allows self-examination lest the conscience speak, doesn’t get irony.

    Bumbling Bruce of the Bathrooms is a poor moral teacher. He is teaching lies about human nature, and only death and destruction will result.

    • Heather Zeadow

      Interesting that you talk about lies about human nature here when you are lying about transgender people just waking up one day deciding to be a different gender. Do you believe science at all? Or do you just stick to what the bible tells you? Have you ever met a trans person & just talked about what life has been like for them?trans women are no more a threat to your femininity & mean you no harm in the ladies room. Read, if you can, the very factual medical literature about the transgender condition…please, I beg you.

      • Dean Bruckner

        People with gender dysphoria need compassion and help. I agree. But pretending that a man becomes a woman simply by willing it so is a lie. It is. Science says that someone with two X chromosomes is a woman, and someone with an X and a Y chromosome is a man. THAT is science. Denying the scientific truth is, well, unscientific. It’s also deceptive, dangerous and destructive. Truly inters3x people–those with neither two X nor an X or a Y–are a different category, and need our love, prayers, compassion and support–but they are a tiny, tiny minority.

        But back to the main point: suicide rates of people who have had s3x change operations are TWENTY TIMES higher than the average, even in ultra-liberal Sweden. Participating in this denial of reality brings death. Please don’t be a part of that!

        • Steen Goddik

          Lying about science, that won’t help your argument. Science says nothing of the silly claims you made.

        • humansarestoopid

          You don’t suppose that backwards laws like this have anything to do with the increased suicide rates?

      • OldCorpsEd

        They’re mentally or emotionally ill. That said, they should not be subject to ridicule, but should not be afforded the fantasy that they are in fact, what they think they are.

        • Heather Zeadow

          Trans people are not mentally or emotionally ill sir; however, your undeniable lack of knowledge & basic human compassion regarding this whole issue in fact suggests that you are the one in need of psychiatric care. I’m not surprised though, really not. Conservative republicans have always turned their backs on scientific facts. I’m wasting my breath here. Good night sir.

          • Sniffur

            “you are the one in need of psychiatric care”—–> REEEEKS of the mentality in the Soviet Union where Christians and dissidents were sent to psych wards, where they were tortured, raped, starved. You are part of a group with a dangerously despotic (aka unconstitutional) mindset.

          • Steen Goddik

            Discrimination against people, that is un-Constitutional. So your argument is false.

          • DonB

            By the very definition of mental and/or emotional illness, they are at the top of the list. Don’t try to change that fact just because you believe in rainbow colored unicorns.

          • Steen Goddik

            Don, your claim is a flat-out lie. You have no documentation, only making it up because you feel that lie supports your argument. Lying for Jesus. That looks a lot like blasphemy.

          • DonB

            Yes, they are most definitely mentally unbalanced. Just because the psychiatric community decided to change the definition doesn’t make it so. When does it become a mental issue in your mind? If a white person claims to have been born black? Maybe a claim to have been born as a goat? You don’t just change who and what you are because you “feel” like it.

          • Steen Goddik

            Don, you obviously don’t know what a mental illness is. But thanks for exposing your narcissism in feeling you know more about this per religious/political fervor, than those actually working in the field does.

          • OldCorpsEd

            Check your chromosomes if you want scientific facts, Heather. Or is your name Bruce?

        • Steen Goddik

          Since the mental health community disagrees with you, that just one more fundie lie, made up to excuse bigotry.

    • humansarestoopid

      “Such thinking–that all it takes to be a woman is one’s will–is
      profoundly denigrating to women. It makes being a woman worthless, and
      is misogyny pure and simple.”

      So sweet how you’ve attempted to use feminism to support your argument. Thing is, you’ve failed to consider/mention trans men.

  • Heather Zeadow

    Dr Brown- I read your letter & was disappointed that you continued to use male pronouns when describing trans women. The is a plethora of new medical science that proves that transgender people are born this way, that it’s not a choice in anyway shape or form. The only choice that a trans person makes is whether or not to transition to the gender they most identify with. I’m sorry that I can’t pull up the websites that would show you the plethora of medical science information at this time; however, you appear to be an intelligent person so I was wondering why you hadn’t pulled the information yourself before you wrote you letter. Have you ever met a trans person sir? Maybe you could’ve done that before you wrote your letter? Did you even for a minute take into consideration the anxiety & the threat of assault against transgender people not only in using the restroom, but in simply trying to walk down the street? What about transgender children Dr Brown? Do they not deserve to be safe using the restroom of the gender that they identify with? If you had done any research on what being transgender really is you would’ve found that it’s not a mental illness in & of itself. Homosexuality use to be considered a mental illness too for many years until medical science proved that homosexuality was not a mental disorder, & that no one chooses to be gay. Unfortunately, being transgender is still considered a mental illness even though so much new science has already come out. Trust me Dr Brown no one chooses to be transgender…no one would choose to go through the loss of family & friends, l loss of their career / job to end up homeless, to wantonly experience the high rates of violence & discrimination. You’re a Dr. I guess, right? You should then have had the intelligence & the compassion to write about transgender people using facts. I fully understand that the purpose of your letter was an open letter to Mr Springsteen. But, you did accuse Mr Springsteen of not doing his homework about the law & what the law was really meant to do. You did the same exact thing in obviously not doing your homework about transgender people & the issue’s surrounding our cause. Dr Brown, it is a well known fact that there have been more US Senator’s arrested for sexual misconduct in women’s bathrooms than there have been in the transgender community. As a matter of fact sir there have been no reported cases of a transgender person committing a sexual crime on anyone in a bathroom. The anti trans bathroom law that your screwball state has passed is divisive & discriminatory, period. I applaud Mr Springsteen in his decision to not play in your state. I wish you had not, as I assume you to be a highly educated person, that you had not played into the disgusting myth of transgender people being sexual predators. This too, is unfounded & in fact sir complete bullshit. Thank you.

    • Dean Bruckner

      In the beginning, God made them male and female. He is the designer, and he gets to make the rules.

      Michael is not saying that transgender people are predators, but that the “let’s perform an operation with a chainsaw” approach of Springsteen and the Left will let predators–many of them–in to bathrooms where they can AND WILL abuse girls and women.

      Liberals never think about actual consequences, only about their intentions. They do what feels right instead of doing what is right. And reality does not adapt itself to their misconceptions; it burns everyone.

      Changing pronouns creates a deception about who that person is. They contribute to a lie that the Left is telling about human nature. People do not change their s3x simply by willing it so. Whenever a philosophy tells a lie about human nature, death and destruction result.

      Paragraph breaks help the reader too, thanks!

      • Sniffur

        “Liberals never think about actual consequences, only about their intentions. They do what feels right instead of doing what is right. And reality does not adapt itself to their misconceptions; it burns everyone… Whenever a philosophy tells a lie about human nature, death and destruction result.” SPOT ON! Why they can’t see this is beyond me!

      • Louise

        What scientific facts to you possess proving there is this god you refer to? Do you really believe everyone should follow laws derived from your personal religious beliefs?

        • Dean Bruckner

          Hi Louise, I’m afraid you’ve got it exactly backwards. Science makes sense only in an order world created by a rational, unchanging being. How do we know our senses tell us the truth? Because there is a God who created them that way, to communicate with us. How do we know our minds are not playing tricks on us? Because there is a God who created.them that way, so we can know him. How do we know the laws of physics and chemistry stay the same? Because an unchanging God made them that way.

          Science rests on assumptions necessarily outside science. And science makes sense only on the Judeo-Christian world view. Materialistic evolutionary assumptions pull the rug out from under the whole scientific enterprise, leaving nothing of any value.

          Accept reality of God, and you have science too. But without God, you are without science too.

          • Louise

            You didn’t answer the question. In fact, you just proved my point – these are just your own personal beliefs. Nothing more, nothing less. You choose to believe in a god. Good for you. I don’t and I certainly don’t want laws created based on your belief system.

          • Dean Bruckner

            Louise, the entire corpus of British and American law is based on the Judeo-Christian world view, exemplified best by the Ten Commandments and the Golden Rule. Maybe that’s why the Ten Commandments are displayed on the wall of the U.S. Supreme Court. Another example is Good Samaritan laws. Hmmm, I wonder where they came from!

            Innocent until proven guilty? Not present in the secular Napoleonic code. There, you have to prove your innocence.

            You have been living off the moral capital of the Judeo-Christian world view your whole life, even if you refuse to acknowledge it, or even if you were taught in progressive schools that Marxism and atheism are the source of all good. Well, for good or ill, it’s almost gone, and we are beginning to see what corruption, violence and hatred characterize societies that abandon God.

      • humansarestoopid

        It seems that your creator has seen fit to provide some people with both sets of genitals. How is one to “decide” which gender said people fall under? If your creator can make this mistake, is it possible that “he” might provide someone with the wrong genitals to suit their gender.

    • Monica Renee

      What about other societal circumstances – like jail or prison? If a transgender male, prior to surgery, commits a crime, does he get sent to a men’s facility or a women’s facility? There is a lot to think about here, and it has little to do with discrimination or bigotry, and more to do with changing moral and societal values that are moving faster than can be dealt with properly and with consideration for ALL, not just those in the minority who are directly affected.

    • Jo Warren

      Dear Ms. Zeadow .. I believe you, along with many others are missing the point and not reading or listening to those of us that support HB2. No where did Dr. Brown accuse any transgender of sexual assault. The question is how is ANY person (Mainly Females) suppose to know who a TRUE Transgender person is as apposed to a Male pretending to be a Transgender? It’s those PRETENDERS that HB2 is trying to protect the public from. As a female, a mother, and a grandmother of females, how am I to know if a male dressed as a female and enters a public ladies room is really a TRANSGENDER MALE or a PRETENDER? Am I suppose to ask? Guess? Are there “tells”? I’m not trying to be sarcastic or unfeeling. I’m a very compassionate person and I feel for anyone who has any type of personal struggle. However, that being said, no one has the right to infringe on another persons sense of security or their right to privacy. It’s common sense that males use male restrooms and females use female restrooms. Most public facilities have “Family” or “Unisex” restrooms which are open to any gender. Is there something wrong with that? Are these facilities discriminatory? If you and Mr. Springsteen don’t like the State of North Carolina, no one is twisting your arm to visit or move here. But the PEOPLE and Government of this State have spoken. We agree with HB2. We applaud our leaders for protecting OUR RIGHT to PRIVACY. We applaud them for not bowing down to such “freedom fighter” groups as the NAACP, LGB’s and others who are jumping on a band wagon that’s not really there’s to ride. Another question I’d like to know is does your place of employment/apartment complex/local gym/school have a rule/law that allows Transgenders access to whichever bathroom they identify with? If not, why haven’t you advocated for it? Why aren’t we hearing about you, Mr. Springsteen, or any other group lobbying for Transgender bathroom access in Utah? Florida? Ohio? or any other State? Is there Transgender bathroom access in places such as The Statue of Liberty? Yellowstone National Park? The Grand Canyon? Any other National Park? How about Disneyland or Disney World? Six Flags? Sears Towers? The White House? Is it just easier to whine and moan about a State that made a decision for it’s citizens that you oppose rather than work for something you support? I’m PROUD to be a NORTH CAROLINIAN …We care about others safety, security and privacy. I only ask that you think about that. Thank you.

      • Robert W Ryder

        Your dam right she missed the point!!! It shows what we are dealing with here!!!!#! A lack of real intelligence!!!!!#! 🙁

      • Linda

        Chances are you’ve shared many public restrooms with transgendered women. Why should this change? There are no others laws nationwide singling out trans people as this bill does. Please, everyone, educate yourselves.

        • Jo Warren

          Linda .. trust me when I say had I EVER encountered a MALE of any size, shape, race, color, creed or sexual orientation in a ladies room I or one of my daughters or granddaughters were using, you would have heard from and about me LONG BEFORE NOW. Again, my question to you and others: How are we suppose to know the difference between a Transgender and a PRETENDER? Maybe you need to educate yourself on my question and give me and others an intelligent, reliable answer that makes sense. Thank you.

          • Linda

            We are talking about trans women, many of whom have had surgery. How are you going to know if someone is trans or a “pretender”? Because a trans woman will enter the stall, do her business, wash her hands upon leaving the stall, then leave. The “pretender” will probably make himself known in criminal ways — the same way he did before this law went into affect. Am I clear?

            Also, I encourage you to actually READ HB2 and see what other discriminatory measures are included that have nothing to do with genitalia.

          • Jo Warren

            Again…the law is to PROTECT WOMEN AND CHILDREN FROM THE PRETENDERS…Those who would use the “excuse” of being a Transgender to gain access to innocent women and children. As for the other “discriminatory measures” you speak about, individuals always have the option to exercise their rights under Federal Law. And this would have NEVER come about had the LGBT “COMMUNITY” tried to impose their lifestyles on the rest of us. This is OUR STATE…OUR VOICE. Others may now shut up.

          • Linda

            Again, this law isn’t about the PRETENDERS. READ the bill, if you know how. If a PRETENDER is going to dress like a woman to gain access to a public restroom, this law isn’t going to stop them — they are breaking the law no matter what. However, WITH THIS LAW a transgender woman can be prosecuted JUST LIKE THE PRETENDER.

            ALSO, those in the LGBT community aren’t imposing their “lifestyles” on “the rest of us.” That’s what the South said about interracial marriage and equal rights for black citizens. Keep your lowlife, loud mouthed, no class, undereducated bigoted attitudes in NC and don’t impose your lifestyle choice on the rest of us. When you’re crying because you’re losing jobs and going broke, no one will care.

            GOT IT? I doubt it.

          • Jo Warren

            Typical response from someone with mental health issues. There is help for you out there… first step is admitting you have a problem. I will pray for you.

        • Dawn Hurley

          Do you live in NC? If not shut your pie hole it ain’t your business. I hate put pic restrooms as it is without worrying about pushing open a broken stall door and seeing some man’s wang. Or worse yet a strange man pushing a stall door and seeing me pee.. idgit

          • Sniffur

            On the contrary, it’s VERY MUCH the business of all US citizens, bec. it sets a precedent.

          • Linda

            Actually it IS my business. We’re the United State of America, last I checked. How many times have you seen someone’s genitals while using the restroom? Grow up.

    • Dawn Hurley

      A choice they made. Those little girls don’t choose to see some hairy man’s ding ding you Neanderthals.

      • Hata H. Zappa

        Yep. That’s the mature language I’ve come to expect from the Dawn Hurley’s of the world when taking on the serious issues our country faces. You’re just so profesh n stuff. Likes totez magotez for realz.

        • ironic_1

          Funny comment coming from someone who used the term doodicle earlier and has yet to come up with a coherent, non-combative argument.

  • Sasak

    Bruce Springstein is a has been! I could care less what he thinks! Not that big of a fan of his anyway, never was. I hope his wife or daughter or granddaughter gets raped by a pervert in the rest room posing as a woman.

  • donna

    remember….that is JUST ONE MAN OPINION….because he is well known does not make his statement any better than anyone else’s. we all have opinions and just because we voice them does not make us ‘the ruler’, ‘the king/queen’. it just means we have a thought/opinion. I have wondered how many of these people who scream for so many changes are a bit afraid they will not be hired, no one will attend their shows, their programs will be cancelled or they will have no place in the networks, entertainment arena and ‘black-listed’ like happened years ago….there have been men/women restrooms for a reason and if folks really want to protest…..I am sure they have restrooms at home. demanding anything only divides more and more…..

  • Elizabeth Bell

    Bruce is a disgrace to the human race.

    • Hata H. Zappa

      Been looking in the mirror, have we?

  • Lynda Kempland

    Amen. I’ve been trying and failing to articulate this. You said it perfectly and I so thank you

    • Hata H. Zappa

      You wasted your time. We will. have. our. way. in the end. Just like we did with equal marriage. It’s i-n-e-v-i-t-a-b-l-e. Don’t like it? Tough.

  • Anna Weir

    BAM !! Thank you !!!!

  • Robert W Ryder

    The boss is a man that has had problems questioning his own identity so it’s no wonder he can’t figure what else to do but cancel!!!! His own internal conflicts have torn him apart!!!!#! I doubt if he can truly come up with a reasonable answer!!!#! He is likely to seek counsel himself to get his head straight!!!!#!#!!#!!! 🙁

  • justathought

    Well said Michael Brown!

  • IsReal

    Flushing all memories of this perv kissing sax player down the toilet. Summoning Alzheimers patients everywhere to testify this man manufactured bathroom spring freshner deodorizer for bathrooms.

  • Linda

    Bruce Springsteen is doing the right thing — no one, not even Jesus, tolerates intolerance. I hope more big names — musicians, businesses, sport teams, filmmakers, etc — follow his lead and refuse to pump money into a state where there is a law allowing discrimination. This has nothing to do with a child’s safety in a public restroom; in fact, children are more at risk now than before.

    • mmmm7777

      I am sorry…it does everything to do with my mother, my wife, my daughter, my sister, the daughters of my friends…I will not let a man with a penis get into the same bathroom where any of my female relatives are. Call my an intolerant person. In this, I am…

      • Hata H. Zappa

        Never mind the father who is with his 3-year-old daughter at a restaurant while the mom is out of town. If you think we all carry around a spare mom in our back pockets, you’re probably both crazy and stupid. And what will you do when you come across the myriad mtf transgender people who have the money to change their appearance and make it more convincing. What are you going to do, make pre-entrance genitalia checks the law? When some of you complain about your junk too much in the airport screening lines? Sure, bud.

      • Louise

        Interesting that all you bigots only talk about men in women’s bathrooms but not women in men’s bathrooms. This is just irrational hysteria.

        • Roger Walker

          The Truth is that this NC law will also protect women with a vagina from getting harmed in a men’s public restroom because she thinks just because she can wear men’s clothing and act “manish” that she won’t be bothered. Indeed some very bad men will rape or molest her to teach her a “lesson.” Don’t like that? That’s reality.

          • Louise

            Do you actually believe the nonsense you write? All the hysterical hyperbole on this site would be hilarious if it wasn’t so sad and nasty to LGBT people.

        • mmmm7777

          Yes.. in this sense you can call me hysterical.. Will not accept a man with a penis coming to the bathroom where my female relatives are.. Period.. And it has anything to do with LGBT.. this is for any man, like the one that once was hiding at my daughters bathroom at college with a predator’s history.. yes, it happened and you want to tell me I am an hysterical bigot……
          And yes, If a female comes into a men’s bathroom, and I do have a child there, I do not want her to be there as well.. satisfied?
          So take it from an hysterical father, husband and son not wanting Penis in women’s bathrooms… so simple…

          • Louise

            How do you know what genitalia someone has in their pants. Who are you spying on in all these bathrooms?? Sounds like you’re the perv.

          • mmmm7777

            This is how a liberal ends a conversation when they run out of their two learned arguments …. They accuse with out facts and they call names….. You are not worth the time.. bye

    • Zlurgh

      You just blew RIGHT PAST logic and reason to restate conclusions you drew from your “feelings”…and the fact that all your friends say the same thing.

      • Linda

        No I didn’t. Work on your reading comprehension issues.

    • MACVSOG

      And what planet do you live on? There has already been one rape of a girl by a person impersonating a female.

      • Hata H. Zappa

        And who is to say that this “impersonator” wasn’t preceded by thousands or maybe even millions. Human history is over 25,000 years old on this planet. Passing this law will have about as much desired effect as Citizens United.

      • Linda

        I’m sure there have been many over the years. Just not by a transgender woman.

    • redstorm928

      Indeed children are more at risk now than ever before. ..that’s why this law is necessary

    • mjmiddleton1953

      Bruce Springsteen did the wrong thing. Jesus was very clear about the need to protect the innocent! And to anyone who would harm them he warned that it would be better for a millstone to be hung around their necks and they be cast into the sea! Young girls need to be protected from perverted men who would use this new cultural insanity to prey on them. Men, regardless of how they perceive themselves, have no business in girls locker rooms. Those who want such men to be allowed such access to these innocent girls are guilty of complicity. I would not want to be in their shoes on the day of judgment.

      • Louise

        Hysterical nonsense.
        I don’t see you bigots mentioning protecting little boys from perverted men.

        • Roger Walker

          You’re the totalitarian bigot who must control other people’s minds to conform to your world vision. Like Hitler who had a vision for a Third Reich, and Stalin who had a vision for a great Mother Russsia, your vision has gone too far, and now states like Mississippi and N.C. and others have said enough is enough. In fact we need to roll back to the way it was before your vision began.

          • Louise

            Yes, by all means. Let’s “roll back” to when people of colour had to use different bathrooms and drinking fountains. A wonderful time it was!! Snark.

        • mjmiddleton1953

          The comment was about Jesus teachings. And I would agree that Jesus would be equally angered to see little boys abused by perverted men or women. And if there are suspected perverts around, believe me, I, (and those who believe like m) accompany our boys into the washroom and locker rooms to protect them from such perverts — at the risk of being labelled homophobic. Your argument is a straw man.

      • Linda

        This is not a law that will protect young girls — pedophiles have been doing this for decades. This is about a transgender woman who wants to use the ladies room. This is also about trans men — those who look like men, have been taking testosterone, had surgery — who will be forced to use the ladies room. Have you seen Chaz Bono? If Chaz walked into a ladies room the police would be called.

        Also, if you read the bill there are ways in which a business can discriminate against someone for the color of their skin.

        • mjmiddleton1953

          Your point is not valid because there are already tragic cases of young girls who have been raped, assaulted and abused in other places where men are now being allowed into girls locker rooms due to this new way of thinking. Do you not care about what is happening to these girls? Do they not deserve protection?

  • Dan L

    There is no check list of leftist wrongs that, once filled, signals an end. This is unending forced celebration of victimhood, regardless how minute the relevance. There is always a further outrage blamed on the right, that must be championed by demonizing someone, regardless of the emotional, fiscal, and moral carnage left in it’s wake.

    • mjmiddleton1953

      You hit the nail on the head! The leftists behind this movement are so extreme, yet they want to force their extremism on everyone else — by force of law.

  • Mary Swygart

    🙂 Kudos to you Dr. Brown! Well said sir. <3

  • Stuart Dauermann

    Perfect.

  • Cheri Berman

    It’s truly amazing how many people still don’t get it. It’s laughable to think a man who chooses to live like a woman in a dress and a wig would have any impact on a little girl except maybe it’s a really big woman. In a locker room there are private dressing areas like a shower stall. As to sexual predators, what does society do to prevent them now. I suggest a long look at the movie Too Wong Foo, Thanks for Everything! Julie Newmar. Not everyone who thinks or acts differently is nuts and if they don’t fit in your good Christian (albeit warped) model they are not bad.

    • ironic_1

      Yes, it is truly amazing that people just dont get it. I suggest you read the ordinance yourself. The ordinance allowed ANY man free access to any locker room or bathroom WITHOUT QUESTION. This means any molester, pedophile or peeper could enter and lounge in a locker room and not be removed because all they have to do is say they “feel” like a woman. There are laws now to keep men out of women’s locker rooms so that perverts can be removed and prosecuted. In case you dont know, women and children are typically in various states of undress in open areas… not stalls as in restrooms. Where are their protections? You say “there are private dressing areas like a shower stall”. Why should I have to go hide in shower stall to change in the WOMEN’S locker room. Why couldnt the transgendered MALE go into the shower stall to change in the MEN’s locker room. But, thats not fair, you say? No, its not fair that I should have to hide to change in a locker room designated for women because there are laws where I live that allow men in women’s facilities. Why should someone’s “feelings” trump my and my child’s right to privacy?

      • Frank

        Exactly. Isn’t it amazing that you even have to explain this to another human being? And these mentally disturbed nut cases will still say you’re wrong. It’s all about them and legalizing their perversion.

      • Louise

        Get over yourself you hysterical fool.

    • Roger Walker

      What does Christianity have to do with this Ms. High and Mighty? How dare you mention Christians. Do you have an issue that goes deeper than just a simple, common sense right to privacy and safety issue, as well as time-honored social customs and practices governing male and female relationships pertaining to public restrooms and locker rooms? What about Muslims, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus? Why single out Christians, except to display your HATE? Do only Christians want to protect the rights of women and children regarding privacy and safety? What an embarrassment of a comment.

  • The very act of discriminating is what the issue is. Passing laws to help govern the people to the point of so much control is not what this country is all about. Dr. Brown stated some great points – but here is a simple solution (which by the way is present in many different establishments) I have seen a 3rd restroom for those that need to help a handicap person, or need to deal with an infant – these third restrooms are just a single restroom and men, women, and care givers can go in and aid the person. If this restroom is present – this is a moot law! I have used the 3rd restroom – and I am not transgender, or need medical or personal assistance. The fact that people choose to judge with such restrictions (shows the caliber of the person doing so) No, we don’t need a law to tell us what bathrooms we should and should not use! Now we are regressing into the past where the black person wasn’t allowed to use the white man’s bathrooms or drinking fountains. I do understand the key points that Dr. Brown has made – however, there are deceptive bad people already going into the restrooms and they are not transgender – yet a law wasn’t passed to keep those creeps out! This is blatant racism – period. I am glad that Bruce Springsteen and PayPal and other corporations are taking a big stand. Paypal was coming in bringing 400 new jobs to the area and they backed out completely. This is discrimination plain and simple –

    • ironic_1

      You all are arguing bathroom this and bathroom that. What about locker rooms where women and children are most vulnerable. Imagine turning the corner with your preschool-age daughters and there is a man lounging on the bench in all his naked glory with every nugget and jewel hanging out. Oh, that would never happen you say? Well, it has in Toronto and Washington State. And a multi-gender bathroom was closed on one college campus because of peepers. Before HB2 was passed, the ordinance that Charlotte’s mayor enacted (even though the same ordinance was down-voted by the citizens the previous year) gave any man (this includes pedophiles, peepers and molesters) free access to women’s locker rooms, both public and private, without question. BTW when did transgenders become a separate race of people?

      • Hata H. Zappa

        For folks so upset about naked male perverts exposing their junk ya’ll sure do like to think about it. Methinks the lady doth protest too much.

        • redstorm928

          Me thinks you’re an idiot. …..

          • Hata H. Zappa

            And methinks you’re a paranoid nutjob who thinks too much about men’s junk. Anything else, doodicle?

        • Frank

          Those of us who want to live a civilized, respectable society get upset about it! It’s just you perverts that are OK with open or gies and same gender se x. Keep it to yourself!

        • Roger Walker

          Before your “Community” made this an irrational issue everyone was just doing fine with their “PRIVATE PARTS, as our ancestors have done since time began.

    • CS

      How on earth is this racism? You sound like a pre programmed liberal.

      • Hata H. Zappa

        Said the pre-programmed conservabot in his attempt to pan the so-called “pre-programmed liberal,” who also doesn’t realize just how out of his league he really is.

      • Frank

        That’s how liberals deal with everything, they even call inanimate objects racist.

    • Frank

      WHO”S GOING TO PAY FOR THE 3rd RESTROOM?

    • Roger Walker

      Oh blah blah blah. The race card, straw man argument of the Black man analogy. It’s called indecent exposure. If you have male or female genitalia use the corresponding public mulit-occupancy restroom of locker rooom. Otherwise risk being arrested for INDECENT EXPOSURE and if children are involved PEDOPHILIA.

      • Louise

        Why are you looking at other people’s genitalia?? You sound obsessed.

  • MACVSOG

    I have always been a fan of the E Street Band, even when Bruce supported obama but this is INSANE, I have almost every song he and his band have made and I am erasing them off my computer and IPod, and will no longer buy anything this band records.

    • Hata H. Zappa

      Stop lying. You ain’t a real fan if you are intolerant towards transgender people.

      • Frank

        No one is “INTOLERANT” of transgender. We just dont want them in the same bathrooms, showers and locker rooms as our wives, daughters, grand daughters! Sorry if that makes us all “INTOLERANT”! Its absurd to think that is NORMAL!

    • Louise

      Good. Go away. We don’t need bigots like you at Springsteen concerts.

      • Roger Walker

        Women and girls have RIGHTS not to see a strange man exposing himself in the public restrooms and locker rooms because you say he can. We say he can’t. You hate women and children because you don’t respect their privacy or safety. You’re the bigot. The LAW SAYS IT’S INDECENT EXPOSURE and is punishable.

        • Louise

          No one is “exposing” themselves in a women’s bathroom. There are private stalls for relieving oneself. In a locker room, mind your own business while you get dressed. Why are you so interested in gawking at other people??

        • Linda

          Baloney. Transgender men and women aren’t the same as pedophiles.

        • Steen Goddik

          So there is already a law. Then you don’t need this one. Thanks for admitting that this is all religious bigotry from your Church of Hate.

  • Maybe the people of the other 49 states, who disagree with Bruce, should boycott his future concerts. Boycotts can be a two way street.

    • Hata H. Zappa

      Please do. That’ll make that much more room for the rest of us who want to go to concerts like his without the taste of intolerance in the venue. Assuming you’re actually someone who goes to his concerts and not some troll just one here talking all kinds of yak-yak from every part of their throat.

      • Gunnermachine

        But you are the one trolling here

        • Hata H. Zappa

          Not trolling, just telling you an inconvenient truth.

          • Star Ware

            You are trolling. Trolling is anyone to does multiple comments to multiple people under one article.

          • Steen Goddik

            Wow, that’s nonsense. You just make up your own words like that?

          • bannedbymotherjones

            Are you actually going to make some sort of reasonable post that actually explains your position or are you simply going to keep on with the lame attempts at insults?

          • Steen Goddik

            First you have to say,something meaningful. The level of conversation dropped after you showed up, so you are clearly not worth it.

          • bannedbymotherjones

            And yet you’ve replied to me every single time. Clearly I’m worth it.

          • Steen Goddik

            It is always worth it,challenging bigots like you. It is everybody’s duty to run bigots like you out of town.

          • bannedbymotherjones

            Whine, moan, cry, hurl insults, twist things, deny facts, run to a safe space for a few days, rinse and repeat… that’s what you liberal democrats are good at.

          • Star Ware

            Get yourself a dictionary and educate yourself 🙂

          • Frank

            The only “inconvenient truth” here is that Gender Dysphoria is a mental disorder that is written in every mental health dictionary on the PLANET!

            It’s treated by a PSYCHIATRIST, not a lawyer.

          • Louise

            Is there a cure for your bigotry and ignorance?

          • Linda

            Wrong.

          • Steen Goddik

            Frank, that was a dumb remark. Once a person is transgender, they don’t carry that diagnosis. Perhaps you should not try to play doctor and push such ignorance.

          • bannedbymotherjones

            Perhaps if you did so with more common courtesy and less insults people would buy that you are here for that reason.

          • Steen Goddik

            I am here to dump on bigots. I know that you and they will stay bigots anyway, so I am simply enjoying watching you burn. Bigots are scum.

          • bannedbymotherjones

            So all you want to do is troll no matter if you are wrong or right – imagine that! You are scum.

          • Steen Goddik

            Another lie. You bigots always lie in defense of your bigotry.

          • bannedbymotherjones

            Is that all you got Steen? Insults and baseless accusations? How typical liberal democrat of you.

  • Call Me Mom

    Well said. The fact is that, by allowing this, we are asking people to accept deviant (by definition, not as a pejorative) behavior instead of heeding their natural and reasonable tendencies to distrust people who display such behavior.

    • Hata H. Zappa

      Hater mad we won’t all accept the force-feeding of her religious dogma says what? Call you Mom? How about I call you egg dispenser.

      • Frank

        Has nothing to do with “RELIGION”. Even a 4 year old child cringes when he see’s two people of the same gender showing affection for one another. Its HUMAN INSTINCT for homosexuality / transgender to make your skin crawl.

        • Louise

          Children do not cringe at the sight of gay people showing affection. They only start to cringe when their parents and other homophobes start indoctrinating them with anti-gay ideas. Before that, children see people showing love for one another as perfecting natural and good (which it is).
          You really should examine your fears and hate.

        • Roger Walker

          Women and girls cringe at the creepy thought that a strange man posing as a woman can freely expose himself in the public restrooms and locker rooms because you say he can. We say he can’t. You hate women and children because you don’t respect their privacy or safety. You’re the hater.

        • Steen Goddik

          No they don’t. Why must you lie so much?

      • Roger Walker

        Little girls and grown women cringe at the thought that a strange man posing as a woman can freely expose himself in the public restrooms and locker rooms because you say he can. We say he can’t. You hate women and children because you don’t respect their privacy or safety. You’re the hater.

        • Hata H. Zappa

          Hater still mad, I see. And only a distorted mind would look at rights for transgender people as misogynistic. You hater-bots are just. so. damned. predictable.

  • 6thinclass

    Will someone please inform me as to why the military rejected homosexuals for all those years? Was it concern about sharing barracks, showers, & bathroom facilities?

    • Frank

      Because its NOT NORMAL.

    • Roger Walker

      It’s called male bonding or comradery, something you will never understand apparently.

      • 6thinclass

        You’re right in that I am not a male. My question still has not been answered, sir.

  • OldCorpsEd

    One’s personal plumbing should match the gender designation of the bathroom or locker-room facility. If you’re female in your head but not in your body, then see a shrink, see a surgeon, or use the men’s room.

    • Hata H. Zappa

      No. Just no. To every single word you said here, and then to everything else you have ever said.

    • Steen Goddik

      Ah, so if the transgender person had surgery, then you disagree with the law. Fascinating.

  • Voilala

    This reply is exactly why he canceled the show. Your ignorance and plain distaste for people you feel are “mentally ill” simply because they are different than your ideal is discrimination.
    Personal and bodily autonomy is a human right. It is wayyyyy more important than your opinion of what someone shouldn’t do with their own body. Especially when they are not harming anyone.
    But you in fact are harming others with your blatant disrespect for basic human rights and your awful treatment of other humans.
    And if a perv wants to get into a locker room, they will get in whether your disgusting law passes or not.

    • ironic_1

      Yes, a pervert will get into a locker room whether laws are passed or not, but the ordinance that charlotte passed allowed ANY man free access to women’s facilities WITHOUT question. So, a pervert could lounge around a women’s locker room and no one could ask him to leave because he could not be questioned about his gender. But, you had read the ordinance, you would already know that.

    • signdoc

      And even if they do get it passed. Don’t let me catch them in a bathroom with my Grand Daughter. No one will know them. Same as aWoman in the Men’s room. No excuses. Not a Man

    • Frank

      Your WRONG. Not to mention 9.5 out of 10 people who comment here DISAGREE WITH YOU. We are not going to transform society to accommodate the mentally ill. There are millions of people born with mental disorders of various types that cause a concern for a NORMAL society, why is only the homosexual disorders deserving of these “human rights” you’re describing? Why dont we just close down all the mental facilities and ban all the psychiatrist’s and let all those with backwards genes and mental disorders out into the streets out of respect for their “human rights”? According to your view.

      • Louise

        Transgenderism is not a homosexual disorder. It has nothing whatsoever to do with sexual orientation. The fact you mix up the two betrays your ignorance.

        • mimabo72

          Louise I bet you are one of those liberal s that can’t see the truth because you are blinded by your ignorance.

  • Nordog6561

    Springsteen? Never heard of her.

    • Hata H. Zappa

      Yes, you have and you know it.

      • Nordog6561

        LOL

        Oh yeah, isn’t she the one who changed her name to Caitlin?

        • Hata H. Zappa

          And aren’t you the one hating on her for living her authentic self? You haters are so laughable.

          • Nordog6561

            There is nothing hateful about recognizing that men don’t become women.

            They never have, they never will.

            Bruce Jenner is a man.

            “…haters…”

            LOL

            What are you, five?

    • C.Stahl

      Too funny

  • mjmiddleton1953

    Great letter! Logically argued, and politely presented. The fact that such a letter is necessary, however, shows the depths of insanity to which the neo-liberal mentality has fallen. And now they want to impose their own insanity on the rest of the country.

    • Hata H. Zappa

      Nothing “Mr.” Brown (put in quotation marks, not as an inquiry about his gender but about whether or not he’s capable of being a real man, because real men don’t accept bigotry) said in his letter carries a single bit of truth or is even worth arguing. The Boss bossed up and put the anti-trans lobby right in their places, and now all you can do is deal with it. Good luck to the state of North Carolina for trying to make up the balance for the BILLIONS of dollars in business pulled out of the state because they have chosen to write tolerance and acceptance out of the lawbooks. And rest assured, we will have our way across the whole country. Just like equal marriage, equal protection will be decided by the Supreme Court, and the verdict will be the same. Get used to it. And if not, there’s a whole bunch of rocks I could suggest you go live under. In short, you haters are losing the battle and losing the war. Tough titty. Suck it.

      • ironic_1

        I doubt you read and comprehended the ordinance that HB2 overturned. I also, doubt you have daughters.

      • mjmiddleton1953

        Hata H. Zappa. Thank you for proving my point!

      • Jim Korth

        bigot: a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions.

        Your intolerance toward those who disagree with you on this matter make YOU a bigot.

        Of course, the final verdict will come from the One who said, “Have you not read that he who created them from the beginning made them male and female?”

        • Frank

          Exactly.

        • Steen Goddik

          Ah, when challenging the bigots, we are bigoted against the bigots … Jim that argument was lame and hypocritical 30 years ago, and it hasn’t aged well. It puts you in really bad company .

          And trying to pull Pascal’s Wager as support regarding a legal issue, that is downright dumb.

      • TheRealJC123

        How are we going to keep pretend trans people who are actually predators out of bathrooms? Please explain

        • Steen Goddik

          How are we doing it now?

          This law actually makes it harder. Transgender woman-to-man persons now have to use women’s restroom. So a biological woman, now a 300 pound male bodybuilder, that person MUST use women’s restroom. Sure looks like a man. How do you tell the difference between a male transgender and a regular man?

      • Dean Bruckner

        “Inside every liberal is a totalitarian screaming to get out.” —David Horowitz

        Yours is pretty much out already, it seems.

        • Steen Goddik

          Totalitarian os more in line with Mussolini-loving Trump.

        • Hata H. Zappa

          “Haters gonna hate hate hate hate hate.” Taylor Swift. Describes you to a tee.

          • Dean Bruckner

            “Blessed are you when people hate you and when they exclude you and revile you and spurn your name as evil, on account of the Son of Man! Rejoice in that day, and leap for joy, for behold, your reward is great in heaven; for so their fathers did to the prophets.”

            Jesus (the Son of Man), describing both me and apparent haters like you to “the dot of an i and the cross of a t”

          • Hata H. Zappa

            “Suck it hard.” (Me.)

    • Frank

      If you want more of this lunacy, VOTE DEMOCRAT!

    • david95

      Maybe it is a great letter, but a worthless one. It is trying to convince Bruce to support the bill. Who cares? He’s a singer for goodness sakes. All he knows how to do is write songs and sing them. Who cares about his political views? Who cares to convince him? This is about 20,000 fans who have NOTHING to do with this law being punished to put Bruce on a pedestal of morality. Seriously, what could the fans do? Change the law? And do you think some rich and powerful Government official in Raleigh CARES about Bruce not singing to 20,000 fans who doesn’t care about to begin with? I am for protesting, but when it is done to the RIGHT PEOPLE.

      • mjmiddleton1953

        The point of the letter, I think, is not to convince Springsteen, but to show to all of those puzzled by his actions as well as his supporters who have not thought the issue through, and who are following the dictates of our cultural elite like lemmings on steroids. The letter clearly shows that his views are both inconsistent and illogical. There is value in that even if Springsteen himself is too blind to see it.

      • Steen Goddik

        The fans can not elect bigoted, fundie, anti-American politicians, who spit on the US Constitution. That will get The Boss back.

  • Dan Nowotarski

    Very well said Dr. Brown.

  • Hata H. Zappa

    Nothing “Mr.” Brown (put in quotation marks, not as an inquiry about his
    gender but about whether or not he’s capable of being a real man,
    because real men don’t accept bigotry) said in his letter carries a
    single bit of truth or is even worth arguing. The Boss bossed up and put
    the anti-trans lobby right in their places, and now all you can do is
    deal with it. Good luck to the state of North Carolina for trying to
    make up the balance for the BILLIONS of dollars in business pulled out
    of the state because they have chosen to write tolerance and acceptance
    out of the lawbooks. And rest assured, we will have our way across the
    whole country. Just like equal marriage, equal protection will be
    decided by the Supreme Court, and the verdict will be the same. Get used
    to it. And if not, there’s a whole bunch of rocks I could suggest you
    go live under. In short, you haters are losing the battle and losing
    the war. Too bad for you.

    • GEOCOOP60

      You support the”trans-gender” people all you want, but as the father of a young daughter let me explain to you in the simplest terms possible.
      If my daughter is using a WOMEN’S RESTROOM & a male dressed as a female ATTEMPTS to go into the restroom I WILL stop HIM by ANY MEANS POSSIBLE.
      They do have a right to live as they want, but I also have the right to protect my daughter.

      • Teri Simpkins

        Exactly how are you going to know that person is a transgender? Is there a website where their names are listed? Or are you going to use the old stereotype of what one should look like? The fact is, 98% of the time, you wouldn’t be able to identify someone based on looks alone. But, please, by no means should you let the truth get in the way of your ignorance.

        • Hillary For Prison 2016

          Don’t be foolish. the majority of trannies look like Joan Rivers.
          Sorry, but it’s true.

        • Frank

          Its not real hard to pic out a MAN wearing a dress, wig and makeup!

          • Danionacloud

            Lol, you really are retarded aren’t you?

          • Teri Simpkins

            See, that’s the stereotype. If you hadn’t known that Caitlin Jenner was born a male, you wouldn’t have known by her looks now. And, for the record, you’ve just prejudged any woman who has cancer and wears a wig or ill-fitting clothing thanks to treatment. Way to go!!

      • Frank

        You and me both, my wife, daughter or grand daughter will be protected from those afflicted with this mental disorder / birth defect. Whichever description of “NOT NORMAL” you choose to identify it with.

        • Louise

          Transgender people are not perverts any more than cis gender people. This is just irrational fear you are spouting!

      • Louise

        Why do you automatically assume transgender people are perverts??? Where does all this hysteria come from?

      • Roger Walker

        And this is another worthy example of how this misguided Charlotte city ordinance which far exceeds the Councils authority or duty to maintain streets and sewers, police and fire, and public safety. This ordinance was correctly stopped by the NC State Legislature because it THREATENS PUBLIC SAFETY.

    • Nanc

      WHERE do you get your so called fact that BILLIONS of dollars in business have pulled out of the state? I would like to see PROOF of that statement!

    • john

      We in North Carolina will never put money before our women and children. You people are either sick and need help or just want attention because of your poor excuse of a life.

  • Gerard Vink

    I’m amazed by the contrast of this letter and some of the (hateful) responses below.. Where’s the ‘tolerance’ in them?

    Compassionate and loving open questions about a minority that is pushing their feelings on the larger community without thinking about the consequences for the most fragile in our society, the children.

    It seems like there’s a lot of resemblance in the rethoric of those against the HB2 legislation and those who are for abortion. Which is that ‘I’ have to be able to choose for ‘myself’ what ‘I’ think is best for ‘me’ regardless of the consequences for the most vulnerable in our society, the children..

    • Steen Goddik

      The concequense for children is, that now transgender males have to use the women’s restroom and locker room, and the transgender women have to use men’s restroom and locker room. So you get the Pamela Anderson look-alike changing to bathing suit in front of your 10-year-old son, who will ask you about breasts at the dinner table, where your – will talk about the large “man” who changed into his swimtrunk. That’s what the law gets you.

  • Danionacloud

    As a transgender person I used to try and educate people who had no understanding of it. I tried never to get upset by their ignorance of a subject they had never had cause to understand before.
    I still do this from time to time, but my determination to forgive ignorance is beginning to falter. When I see time and time again, supposedly intelligent people wilfully ignoring facts or twisting them to fit their own agenda, I despair.

    Articles like this are the worst because they are presented in a way that appears to be polite and sincere. But you see, I am very well attuned to the language of hate and discrimination.
    I see it hiding between the polite and sincere words, you do not. And I don’t blame you for that, you’ve never needed to see them because the hate and discrimination is not aimed at you.

    In the end, things WILL change, this discrimination WILL be tackled. But instead of this change happening in a peaceful and sympathetic way, it will happen in an angry, confusing and hurtful way.

    That was your choice, not ours. It still is your choice.

    • Marilyn Ornelas

      I do not hate you. In fact I pray that you will one day, with God’s grace, find the amazing gift that God has awaiting you. This does not mean I am willing to share public facilities with you. Ithe is not my or my grand daughters responsibility to help you in this area.

      • Danionacloud

        The First step to solving this issue is for people to understand that being transgender is not a mental illness. That this is something caused my an imbalance of hormones in the womb.
        If, IF, you can accept that this is a possibility, then it opens the door to the discussion as to whether trans people are in fact the gender they claim to be. Because if they are, then the argument of ‘men in women’s restrooms’ is moot.
        But as I said, it requires the first step to get to this point.

        • Frank

          First, we all have genes that determine which se x we are and which se x we are attracted to. A VERY MINUTE sum of the population have a MUTATED GENE in their brain which is “BACKWARDS”.

          Which makes it a “BIRTH DEFECT” aka, NOT NORMAL. We are not going to mold our entire NATION around the whims of a handful of people born with a defective gene. It may not be mental illness but “IS” a birth defect. NOT NORMAL. It is treated like everyone else who has issues with who they are. A PSYCHIATRIST.

          • Danionacloud

            Birth defects treated by a psychiatrist? ? Lol, btw s ex and gender are two different things, again, education is the key☺

          • Danionacloud

            Most of your ranting on here used the term ‘mental illness’. Glad to see you’re learning☺ keep it up☺

          • Mr Sensible

            It’s not easy for the rest of us as it isn’t easy for you. We hear even yourself say ‘diagnosis’ or letter to prove ‘diagnosis’ and we instantly go to sickness. As most diagnosis lead to that assumption. Thanks for getting on here and interacting. Frankly I don’t know any transgendered people. So our ability to see the human inside the condition is limited.

          • Danionacloud

            I guess I can see how the word diagnosis could lead to that. We really do have to go through a raft of assessments and obtain a diagnosis in order to access medical treatment to treat what is now becoming widely accepted as a physical problem caused before birth. Unfortunately, the term transgender in itself can be confusing for cis people, as it is an umbrella term for a wide spectrum of gender expression.

          • Mr Sensible

            Dont be offended here. Just curious about what the physical problems caused before birth are. I don’t know much about this. But in your research is there research in this area supporting this claim? I’m a devout Christian. But I have so zero issue saying it’s in your nature to feel this way. As I believe the Bible (which you likely don’t follow so our view on the world will be different, which is okay. Thank God for freedom) calls sexual impurity (on any level) a sin. We are all naturally sinful. So weather that be straight man lusting or a Gay man lusting it’d be equally in need of forgiveness. Ones isn’t worse than the other. Both are sins and seperate us from God. All that to say yes, I believe it’s a natural feeling/struggle or whatever for you and your community just as any sin or struggle is natural for me. I know me calling it ‘sin burns you. But know it’s not meant to judge. And they aren’t my definitions, just the definitions of my God and my faith. Which I don’t impose (personally) on you. You’ve been given the freedom to choose just as I have, we will all answer for our choices – for better or worse. That being said, I remain curious about the research. I apologize for any thing here that I’ve said that causes you anger (can’t apologize for what God has said… He the judge) but thanks for the reasonable earlier response.

          • Danionacloud

            I’m not at all offended by your question☺ and I’m happy that you are comfortable in your faith. I will try and find the links to the research for you when I have a little more time , but in a nutshell, the body and brain both receive a flood of hormones in the womb, these set the biological s ex of the brain and body. But these floods of hormones happen at different times for the brain and body and can be interrupted or stopped altogether.
            So if the the female foetus, as we all are to start, gets the flood of testosterone for the body but not the brain, there is a mismatch between the two. This of course is also true for female to male transsexuals, just that the brain gets the hormones and not the body.

          • Mr Sensible

            Okay. I see what you are saying. Wondering if this is a theory trying to explain the outcome of gender identity, or research that has led to finding an outcome. Significant difference between the two but at the very least it’s interesting. Feel loved my friend. I found Jesus in a midst of all my failures, brokenness, lawlessness and in the midst of some horrid circumstances. He’s loved you before you were even formed in your mom’s womb. Hard to fathom or even believe I know. But regardless of your faith, political position, human condition we are all people. And Jesus tells me to Love God and Love others. So I hope as you interact with other believers they first show you love and respect (some often is reflected in truth as well… So don’t expect the message to change, just maybe the delivery). Thanks for responding. Like I said my circles in life don’t give me many chances to interact personally with many transgendered, but I’m always happy to connect.

          • Danionacloud

            It seems some of my responses are being deleted.

          • Mr Sensible

            Bummer. Can’t challenge and further ourselves and our understanding of eachother if we can’t have a good discussion.

        • cardlink62

          So, because you have a psychological disorder and we disagree with you, we’re haters and are discriminatory? That’s bullshit. I don’t accept your mentality or your views but I absolutely don’t hate you. I don’t even know you. I get so sick of people like you who try to legitimize your slickness so that you can feel normal and accepted then call those who aren’t buying your crap prejudice, haters and call foul or discrimination. You aren’t normal, no matter how you try to justify it or what laws are written, passed, say, allow or require by the Government. Get psychological treatment and seek God. That’s the only thing that’s going to help you feel normal.

          • Danionacloud

            And you think calling me sick and not normal is not hateful? And PLEASE don’t spout god bothering crap at me☺

          • Louise

            I don’t hold much hope for the ignorant folks on this site, Danion. Their bigotry is so hard-wired in them at this point that any and all rational information just bounces off of them. It’s sad. I’m sorry you have to read such mean-spirited, hurtful hate.

          • Danionacloud

            I agree Louise. I do actually feel a little sorry for some of these people though. I don’t believe most of them are horrible people at all. I just think they’re been fed fear and hate filled rhetoric by politicians with ulterior motives, as always lol.
            Plus, a lot of people just don’t understand, and it’s easier to fear and hate what you don’t understand than to learn.

      • Danionacloud

        And just to clarify my position, I do not think just saying you are transgender should be enough to gain access to a certain genders spaces.

        • Kent Unterseher

          So you have let us know that you disagree, but what you haven’t done is
          address the concerns listed. What is your answer to those concerns?

          • Frank

            He doesn’t have any answers. He just wants us to be FORCED to make him feel normal. All 310 million of us are expected to forgo our privacy and common sense to accommodate his mental illness. Lets just be honest here, how many “SANE” men walk around town in public dressed up like a damn woman for CRYING OUT LOUD! I’m not going to act like this is NORMAL! ITS NOT!!

          • david95

            Join the military. You have NO PRVACY, no door to separate you from the other soldier watching you take a bowel movement. What about them?

          • Danionacloud

            Ah, the ‘its not normal’ rant, lmao. Education is the key Frank☺

          • Roger Walker

            Thank you. Let’s stop the insanity and refuse to live in their fantasy world which if not enabled by weird science and surgical mutilation would not even be possible in another time or extreme disaster in our own time or future. This has no basis in the natural world. My 50-year old neighbor who grew up in this neighborhood and rwho is remembered by some when he was a boy has returned upon the death of his mother to live in family home. Having now lived here for a few years as Scott, he decided he is now a transitioning female who now wants to be called Angela. He likes to dress like Aunt Bee on Mayberry, proudly gardening in his front yard, wearing a large pearl necklace and large flower print dress or housecoat. He likes to wear long costume earrings, etc, but he still drives his old blue pickup truck and go camping. I don’t know what to think and it is disturbing to those of us who truly like him, but unlike some of my neighbors who call him Angela, my heart grieves for him because I think he needs help.

          • Danionacloud

            Hi Kent, I think it would be reasonable to carry some form of written proof that a person has been diagnosed . This should at least allay the fear of people pretending to be transgender. Obviously there is no way to stop anyone who can appear convincingly as the opposite gender from entering that genders spaces, but then there never was.
            Then there is always the option of gender neutral bathrooms, like every bathroom in your home.
            What strikes me is that it always seems to be trans women who bear the brunt of these attacks. Have you seen some of the pictures of trans men on the net? Are you happy for them to be in a bathroom with females? Or is it just the fact that pre-op transsexuals still have a penis? I have had one for years and never felt the urge to wave it around in public or rape anyone, have you?

        • Frank

          You have a confirmed clinical mental disorder called “Gender Dysphoria”. We are not going to mold our society around the whims of the mentally ill. Why should “your” mental disorder force the nation to accommodate “your” mental disorder and only “yours”? What about those afflicted with the THOUSANDS of other mental disorders who would benefit from society being FORCED AGAINST THEIR WILL to accommodate their desires from “their” mental disorders? Why is yours SPECIAL?

          • Danionacloud

            You’re a little out of date with your information Frank. Take some responsibility and educate yourself.

          • david95

            Agreed. I am somewhat on his side, but as you stated, he is really out of date.

      • Louise

        Are you expecting they’ll just pee outside against the building?

  • Sniffur

    Dynamite letter, Pastor Brown. Wish we could clone you!

  • signdoc

    Then Rapists and murders shouldn’t be held accountable. It’s in Their Genes. If they rape it is in them already, if they murder, it’s O.K. it’s in them already.

    • Frank

      Going by liberal thinking, that would be true wouldn’t it? NO ONE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR ANYTHING.

  • Marilyn Ornelas

    I would also like to add another question to Bruce…Are you so removed from us ordinary people down here on earth that you would endanger women, our grand children, our sisters? Are you not capable of walking in our shoes. Bruce it’s hard to know how many women have been raped at least once in their life, 1 in 9 or 1 in 5 , all I know is that through the years I’ve learned that many of my friends were quietely suffering from the same trauma I endured. You can’t be so far removed from your fellow human being that you aren’t aware that many of the women you cross paths with have been raped. Who do you think you are inviting men into our restrooms and putting us at risk. I hope you will rethink your position. You see Bruce, it probably won’t be your wife or your daughter or grand daughter who suffers from the position you are taking. It will be those of us who do not have a bully pulpit to shout from. Those of us ordinary people who go from day to day not asking for much, just the right to use a restroom with some sense of security that you so self righteously want to take away.

    • Steen Goddik

      What nonsense. Transgender are not rapist. White, male, Christian family members are. They are the danger to girls. Why lie about it?

  • brutalpanther

    Very good and to the point.I’m so sick and tired of bowing down to all of these Special demands.Why is it that all of a sudden if some group or person is Offended,Our powers to be decide it’s time to change a law.I hope more than just Springsteen reads this fine letter.

    • Frank

      Next those with schizophrenia and multiple personality disorders, etc, will all want their “civil rights”, we’ll have paranoid schizo’s set out into the streets for fear of OFFENDING THEM by acknowledging their mental illness and treating it.

      • Meredith Indermaur

        The APA does not consider it to be a mental disorder.

        A psychological state is considered a mental disorder only if it causes significant distress or disability. Many transgender people do not experience their gender as distressing or disabling, which implies that identifying as transgender does not constitute a mental disorder. For these individuals, the significant problem is finding affordable resources, such as counseling, hormone therapy, medical procedures and the social support necessary to freely express their gender identity and minimize discrimination. Many other obstacles may lead to distress, including a lack of acceptance within society, direct or indirect experiences with discrimination, or assault. These experiences may lead many transgender people to suffer with anxiety, depression or related disorders at higher rates than nontransgender persons.

        According to the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5), people who experience intense, persistent gender incongruence can be given the diagnosis of “gender dysphoria.” Some contend that the diagnosis inappropriately pathologizes gender noncongruence and should be eliminated. Others argue that it is essential to retain the diagnosis to ensure access to care. The International Classification of Diseases (ICD) is under revision and there may be changes to its current classification of intense persistent gender incongruence as “gender identity disorder.”

  • Joshe Wales

    Never liked his music. Sounds as stupid as he does !

    • Frank

      Me either. Not one single song he sings I like.

      • Meredith Indermaur

        So?

        • david95

          So?

  • Catherine Holland

    Apart from all the difficulties this raises, doesn’t Bruce have a responsibility to his fans who have kept him in a lavish lifestyle. None of us could say,’ I’m not going to work today because I object to…..’.

  • Joseph Christopher

    Thank you for this moment of courage and reality. The enemies of truth came out to bash you , but proved nothing other than they are in the stranglehold of demons that control their very existence. We are at war with various enemies and WILL triumph even if it costs many lives. The perversions and twisted reasoning of these foul adversaries has weakened their minds beyond recovery. I stand with those who defend our women and children against this wicked attempt at exposing our society to further advances by the Satanic manipulation of the populace.

    • Joseph Christopher

      Springsteen has forever lost and lost forever.

  • Stevie Clarke

    Wow! You nailed it! Thank you!!

  • john

    Excellent point. I hope he reads this.

  • Traci Quinn

    let’s just all wear diapers and move on

  • Skip Bradley

    Well said! Well written!

  • Remington tyrone

    These supposed “hollywood” elite don’t use a public restroom…so they can spew their bullshit all they want…can’t wait what idiot Bruce will say when a girl is raped in a public bathroom. ..because it will happen…and when it does, Bruce and his ignorant liberal gang should be charged!

  • Meredith Indermaur

    I’m not going to acknowledge the issues you have with the trans community, even though I think you’re being categorically unfair in your assessment. What you (and maybe even Springsteen) don’t know is how far-reaching discrimination is in HB2. As a NC resident, I have educated myself thoroughly on this horrid bill. Section 143-422.3 eliminates wrongful termination of an employee on the basis of SKIN COLOR. Section 143-422.2 eliminates the existing state law that currently protects – but will no longer – a Christian (or any other faith follower) who has been fired on the basis of RELIGION. If Springsteen knew this info about HB2 and decided to bag his NC show, would you feel compelled to chastise him for it? Doubtful.

    • CMBear

      Exactly! This piece encouraged Mr. Springsteen to read the law, but it doesn’t appear the author did.

      It didn’t return anything to how it was previously. It removed rights and protections from every single one of us. It is blatantly unconstitutional; i would be much more upset if i didn’t believe it will be overturned by the supreme court If we don’t wake up and fix things ourselves.

      -another NC resident, who knows it isn’t about transgender

      • Frank

        The mentally Ill dont have the the rights to force their mental illness on our entire society. Have you LOST YOUR MIND?

        • david95

          Try reading and “understanding” his post. Your rant sounds good, but is irrelevant to his comment. And please DEFINE mental illness. Because it sounds like “whatever YOU THINK”, and no science to back it.

        • Meredith Indermaur

          On the contrary; CMBear makes perfect sense. Frank, if you’re going to continue to cry, “MENTALLY ILL!!!” on every post, at least have the integrity to read the bill first.

    • Frank

      It is a “MENTAL ILLNESS” called gender dysphoria. Are you telling me you want to mold our entire society around the whims of the mentally ill? See what the treatment is for people with this disorder. You’re saying we should CELEBRATE their disorder and force every one else to deal with it, including LITTLE GIRLS AND BOYS? Listen to what you’re saying for God sake. You want to normalize schizophrenia, multiple personality disorder, people who eat 5 rolls of toilet paper a day, lets just normalize everything! Why just this mental illness?

      • Roger Walker

        Not to mention extreme body mutilation of mostly age twenty and under young adults and teens who far from being able to make such a life changing decision under the duress of raging hormones, struggles with self-identity and esteem, and place in the world. This type of surgery should be outlawed.

        • david95

          Body mutilation? Bruce concert? Boy you guys go over the deep end don’t you? Can’t you find another hate subject somewhere and stop derailing this one.

      • Meredith Indermaur

        No – I think you are looking for an opening to spew your ignorance of LGBT people. What I wrote above is a plea for people who think they understand HB2 to look at the bill in its entirety. How is what I wrote not pointing you in that direction? Are you saying you’re okay with Christians being wrongfully terminated from their jobs because they’re Christian? Are you saying you’re okay with people with brown and black skin tones being wrongfully terminated from their jobs because they’re not white? Are you saying you’re accepting of women being fired for being women? If you accept one part of this bill, you are accepting ALL of it. And that is bigotry.

        • Royal Stanley

          So in reading you post anyone that backs this bill is a bigot? Never seen any posts on here calling you name yet you refer to anyone that supports the bill a bigot. You do know that the man that originated the protests in Charlotte (and the Charlotte Observer knew well in advance) is a convicted felon for child molestation. You attack Christians, I’m a Christian. You attack whites, I’m white and a bigot. Did you read about what happened in Seattle, WA about a man identifying as a female in a woman’s locker room at a swimming pool? Or the pedophile in VA in a women’s bathroom at a Walmart?. But you are right as you refer to anyone that supports HB2 as “spew(ing) your ignorance of LGBT people.

          • Meredith Indermaur

            What even are you saying? If you back this bill then, yes, you are also backing potential wrongful termination of women, blacks, veterans, and Christians because they are women, black, veterans, and Christian. Is something unclear?

  • Hillary For Prison 2016

    Can’t wait till this fool has nowhere left to play…lol!
    Arizona, North Carolina, Missouri…which state will he self exile from next?
    Better yet, can’t he move to France or something?

  • Steve

    Yet another example of an emotional response over an issue that common sense should have dominated. Bruce, you shot yourself in the foot and there is nothing anybody can do but watch your career tank.

  • Michele Mulderrig

    Bravo! Excellent, sensitive and thoughtful letter. I think all the celebs who play in public areas should have it in their contract that they use public restrooms. Too many want their own. What’s good for the goose…

  • MissyT111

    Sure, truly transgender people have a dilemma but what is the difference if a fellow who wishes to transgender to a woman use the men’s room if in fact the urinals there are in fact more appropriate to the physical attributes of that individual. If it is that they are in fact making a statement with insisting that they have to use the woman’s facilities then they haven’t considered the rest of society and making this huge accommodation at the expense of the children, that liberals ALWAYS say are the most important members of our society, then if it (in their words) “it takes a village” then by all means the village has spoken to protect the children.

    • Julie Berry Clark

      They aren’t concerned about the children or women who are uncomfortable having a man in their restroom. They are concerned with themselves and making yet another statement about how they “deserve” equal treatment.

      • postal67

        You need to browse Youtube.. Most men claiming to be women are seeking the admission to bathrooms for sexual pleasure, especially when gained from the satisfaction of a desire.”a thirst for sexual gratification”

        • Julie Berry Clark

          I don’t doubt it a bit. That’s what I’m saying. They aren’t concerned one bit about the welfare of children and women, who just want to be safe in the ladie’s room. And what you said!

  • david95

    I’ve lost all respect for Bruce, the people who bought the tickets have nothing to do with this BS the powerful in Government are doing. I have broken and thrown all his records away and will never buy one again. If he wants to be political, then quit singing and become a politician, if he wants to sing and sell songs to the people, then stop whining about things beyond the ticket holders control.

    • Proud2bfromtheUSA

      Maybe with his dismal ticket sells and lackluster music sells he is looking to switch to politics.

      • david95

        Maybe, then we can refuse to vote for him. 🙂

    • cardlink62

      Amen!

    • Roger Walker

      Blame the city council of Charlotte and their agenda laden mayor and slim council majority for their personal mania to control other people’s minds, even to the extent of forcing people to accept their sexual fantasies against the laws of nature, human anatomy and physiological science. And if you don’t agree–they’ll take away your livelihood.

      • david95

        I did, and that is what Bruce should do, not the kid who works at McDonalds who saved a whole week paycheck to see him in concert. How could not see this from my statements? Bottom line is the 15,000 WERE NOT TO BLAME. Blame whoever you wish, just NOT THE INNOCENT.

      • david95

        So if I wronged you because something SHE did, you would BLAME HER, and NOT ME? That’s stupid if you ask me.

      • postal67

        Have problems with Majority rules?
        See if they are gone after the next election, if not gone, live with it.

    • Steen Goddik

      Let’s see. Who voted for the bigoted politicians?

  • Bev Sesink

    A well presented expression of concern for all!

  • Frank

    Right. Lets mold our entire population of the United States around the whims of the “mentally Ill”.

    A multidisciplinary team is required for diagnosis

    Assessment of persons with gender dysphoria and diagnosis of the condition is a multidisciplinary action.

    A detailed psychiatric history, psychosexual development and behavior history, neuropsychological testing and behavioral analysis may be needed.

    The team may comprise of:

    Psychiatrists

    Psychologists

    Neurologists

    Endocrinologists (who specialize in hormonal functions)

    Urologists (who specialize in the urinary tract and its abnormalities)

    Behavioral and occupation therapists

    Counsellors etc.

    Gender dysphoria must be separated from homosexuality. Not all persons with gender dysphoria are homosexual. (1, 2)

    • david95

      .

    • Steen Goddik

      Well, that sure was a stupid rant, just to demonstrate that you are a bigot with no clue about mental heakth.

  • david95

    Why was this even brought up by Government in the first place? So a politician could make a name for himself? Were transgender being arrested? attacked? kidnapped? What was happening to them that REQUIRED this law? Nobody ever cared about a man who dresses and looked like a woman using the women’s restroom. Nobody ever knew. So WHY? This wouldn’t even be an issue, the transgenders could still use the women’s restroom, Bruce would still be singing here, and we would be arguing about something else if some politician didn’t want to make a name for himself.

    • Proud2bfromtheUSA

      The mayor of Charlotte is a female.

      Or maybe it is a male with gender dysphoria.

      • david95

        Why does that matter pertaining to my comment?

        • John Hudson

          Because her forcing of the issue is what brought about this law. That is how it pertains to your comment. SHE was trying to make a name for HERself…..by trying to set a precedent rather than leave the status quo alone…

          • david95

            Her, what does HER have to do with ME, NOTHING, so I ignored your rant just like his/hers, or whatever WORD you want to use.. Stop genderizing this issue. HUMANS PEOPLE, not men, women, blacks, whites, transgender, gays, STOP GROUPING US. We are ALL HUMANS. STOP ACTING LIKE BRUCE.

          • Charlotte

            Because the mayor of Charlotte, working with a convicted sexual predator (Chad Sevearance) pushed through an ordinance stating anyone could use any bathroom, locker room, or public shower that they felt more comfortable in or identified as. This was the action that caused the reaction. I don’t think anyone is saying that anyone should be punished, but when your 13 yo daughter is the shower at the YMCA or school locker room changing clothes, clothes removed, it is anatomy that one is presented with. How is anyone to know the young man standing next to you is there because he will later put on a wig, or is it a predator? I just can’t imagine that transgenders cannot feel for the discomfort and fear that, not to mention the undeniable access to minors, this may cause. I chose to see them as humans struggling with something, but also with a brain to see how this would put others in danger.

          • postal67

            Finally, common sense. When they were in their closet I could care less. I have known two lesbians, they wished to be honest with me and told me! I said I already knew it and did care as long as they did not act out in public.. Lifelong friends who do not wish to join the downfall of America..

          • david95

            You wouldn’t recognize common sense if it slapped you in the face. 🙂

        • Proud2bfromtheUSA

          You said a politician was trying to make a name for himself and I was just pointing out you used the wrong gender pronoun. Or perhaps you know more about the woman that stirred this all up to begin with than the rest of us.

          • david95

            Ignored. if you don’t know what I mean, you shouldn’t be reading it. 🙂 I changed it just for you. STOP acting like Bruce.

        • postal67

          So you believe your comment is the only one on earth that should be the rule? Lot’s of luck.

          • david95

            I shouldn’t make ANY rule, as I am just a normal citizen like anyone. You seriously are telling me that view went that far over your head? What language were you attempting to read anyways? Spanish? As I said NOTHING about enacting ANY RULE.

        • postal67

          “Why does that matter pertaining to my comment?” I guess I could request the same information.. Do you understand that from a woman’s stand point, men are NOT welcome in the bathroom and with children it is ever WORSE….
          “What was happening to them that REQUIRED this law? Nobody ever cared about a man who dresses and looked like a woman using the women’s restroom. Nobody ever knew. So WHY? This wouldn’t even be an issue, the transgenders could still use the women’s restroom” What a fking idiot you are..

    • Danionacloud

      Exactly David, no one knew or cared. Trans people have been using the bathroom of their choice for decades.

    • postal67

      “Were transgender being arrested? attacked? kidnapped?”
      It’s the other way around fool, they do the attacking, kidnapping, raping, killing of women and children as young as 5 years old.
      Since you can’t prevent it the Government has to do the job for common sense people.. You don’t hear the public in North Carolina demanding a recall, do you?

      • david95

        “It’s the other way around fool”

        Ignored and stopped reading after this. if you want people to read your rant, don’t start off acting like a moron, they will never finish. Sorry. Lots of luck with that though. 🙂

        • postal67

          Still makes you have a problem with truth.. And I would guess that your the fool and need banning from posting anywhere on the net.. Of course your the fking moron and you know it.. Lots of luck right back to you.. And you will keep reading that is what posters do..

    • Milton Orgeron

      Some transgenders are attacked because of their change (surface change only, the DNA stays the same), but the gender-preference bathroom laws ruined things for the trans people who quietly used the bathroom of the gender they lived as without harassing anyone, as you rightly state. Radical political activists who want to erase gender difference ruined things for everyone and are using trans people as tools.

    • Retired but not Dead

      If you read the news you would know this bill is a response to the city council/mayor of Charlotte NC trying to pass a bill to allow ALL people who ‘identified’ as transgender to use any bathroom/locker room/shower they wished, no matter how they were dressed. It turned out that the leader of the group pushing this law is a CONVICTED PEDOPHILE. Make sense now?

  • Roni Berstler

    Super Letter, I agree with it all and think what was done was unprofessional and small minded…. Only a ploy for attention and silly, silly not to mention mean and disappointing to fans of the ‘Boss’

    • Gthomas582

      Would love to see Springsteen reply to this. Also this demonstrates what a high opinion of them selves Springsteen and others like him have. Instead of hurting the promoters and fans, he could have honored his commitment, done the show and had his say on the issue from the stage. And if as the writer said, that the law was in effect when he commited to do the show, he should be sued by the promoters and anyone else impacted by his breach of contract.

      • Danelle OH

        It is very easy for elites with private facilities to take up the flag of oppression of women for men who don the cultural trappings of a gender. His family is surrounded by body guards, what does he care about women’s rights, privacy and protection.

  • sosmartru

    Agreed.

  • Imgretasmom

    Don’t like Springsteen any longer & sick of the liberal minority trying to force their agenda down the throats of the majority.

    • Linda

      Funny, but the majority of Americans support rights for LGBT and minorities. This bill includes passages that allows businesses to discriminate based on skin color. Read it.

    • Steen Goddik

      Bigotry is no long er in the majority. You may try to pay attention. You are now the minority.

      • bannedbymotherjones

        Not really – the democratic party if chock full of bigots. They fought against ending slavery, they fought against the civil rights act, and their choice for president has called black people “superpredators”. But do please drone on about how the right is bigoted.

        • Steen Goddik

          Ah histrionics in defense of your bigotry. You must feel backed into s corner.

          • bannedbymotherjones

            Ah deflection and projection issues to defend your lack of knowledge. How droll.

  • cardlink62

    If someone who is biologically a man but psychologically thinks he’s a woman or a woman who psychologically thinks she’s a man, they BOTH have some serious psychological issues…PERIOD. They might consider seeing a psychiatrist or seek God or both.

  • Way too much common sense here for lefty entertainment industry types. I predict it will fall on deaf ears.

  • cardlink62

    If Springteen and his band were just starting their career and wasn’t filthy stinking rich, he more than likely wouldn’t be canceling any shows for a psychologically disturbed. Especially for some group of men who are desirous of using the ladies room. I think entertainers should stick to their trade when it comes to trying to be politicians or the voices of others. I’m a big Ted Nugent fan. In fact I agree with much of what he says, but I will absolutely never pay to see him in concert again because he just don’t know when to shut up.

    • david95

      Usually rich people don’t. They think they got rich from being smarter than us. I don’t consider being able to sing having anything to do with their intelligence though. 🙂

      • Retired but not Dead

        Bruce CAN’T sing. Everything that comes out of his mouth is screamed…

  • Tim

    I never liked him or his music.

    • Charlie Rock Collins

      amen. bruce is very over rated. if he really stands for American people he would not have canceled instead would have given the American people a show.

  • Roger Walker

    If a male dog lifts his leg and pees in a female cat’s litter box, does that make him a feline?

  • Donald Price

    They are definitely dealing with a “disorder” called SIN. If they’d turn to the merciful and compassionate God, and ask the Lord Jesus Christ to take over their life they’d recover from their “disorder”, otherwise there’s no hope for them in this life or the life to come. This life IS NOT the end of it, only the beginning to see which God you will serve; satan or the Holy God of the universe, the creator of all the universe and the one who made mankind in His image.

    • postal67

      DISORDER? Nope, just planning by an evil person to go where they can get what they want…

      • david95

        Add substance and stop ranting. Nobody is paying attention to your rants. At least try to make some sense. Both sides are doing so, well, except for you. 🙂

    • garak99

      Donald “Sin and Morality”?

      “Morality is doing what is right no matter what you are told.
      Religion is doing what you are told no matter what is Right”

  • RandiJ

    I might be wrong but I read that sales of tickets were off by 100,000 and this was his way out. Sorry for his fans and people who would make $ from this event, but there is the time to stand up and put morality and safety first.

    • cwharmbyiii

      You read wrong. You’re not a fan. Who cares what you think. I know people who gave seen hin m 12 times on this tour. The only places not selling out are in places like Oklahoma. You know, backwards. You guys are so afraid of anyone who is the least bit different. You’re scary.

      • James W.

        lets see what you would do if a pedophile got your daughter or grand daughter in the females bathroom
        lets see if you think people are backwards as you claim. and trust me, oklahomans are not backwards people.

        • Linda

          A pedophile is different from a transgender person. Pedophiles are almost always straight.

        • Steen Goddik

          Given that woman-to-man transgenders now have to use women’s restroom, you are going to see a lot of what looks like large men with beards in your granddaughter’s restroom. You clearly prefers that

      • RandiJ

        I am not afraid of anyone with different opinion. I just stated mine and I said that I was sorry for his fans. You like him, go and see him 100 times. More power to you. I don’t know why you are getting so upset. Seems like you are the one afraid of people with different opinion. (By the way, I am an immigrant from communist Europe, made a great life here and wish that everyone had good life and be happy).

    • theignorantone

      Rumor has it. This is probably just this has-been’s way of saving face.

      • RandiJ

        You are right. I don’t really care, just don’t understand why so many people are so upset about it. There are more important things than BS concert.

    • garak99

      “morality and safety first” Who’s Morally yours, mind Joe Blows ?Morality is subjective

      • RandiJ

        I do not want a man in women’s restroom. If you were born a man, just because you want to be a woman–God knows why–, and you dress like a woman, does not make you a woman. It makes you -Man in a dress-. I also do not want men pee all over the toilet, leave the seat up and we have to cleanup the mess before we can use it. You might not mind a man in the same restroom with your wife , daughter or grandchild, but most of the people who have some moral standard do. the

        • Steen Goddik

          So now the law dictates all these woman-to-man transgend er s using the restroom. Now you can get excited that the transgenders actually look like men. Big, burly men with beards. I am sure that will be exciting for you

          • RandiJ

            I am sorry for you, there is obviously something wrong with you. Maybe you should talk to your mother about it.

          • Steen Goddik

            You should stop talking to the mirror.

          • RandiJ

            I like talking to the mirror because I know, I am in good company. But, talking to my dog makes more sense than talking to you.

  • Roger Walker

    Not to mention the extreme body mutilation of penis removal to become female and mastectomy to become male and heavy infusions of testosterone or estrogen hormones done mostly age twenty and under young adults and teens who are far from being able to make such a radical life-changing decision under the duress of raging hormones, struggles with self-identity and esteem, and place in the world as EVERYONE goes through.. This type of surgery should be outlawed. Other places in the world where genital mutilation takes place are called primitive.

  • Steve Parker Bennett Jr

    How cares ?!?!? Very Hypocritical !

  • Jim Lawson

    Bruce u r no AMERICAN if u support freaks and perverts over children!! U r just another liberal fake claiming to be something for pay!!!

    • david95

      Sometimes I hate us people. I am against Bruce here. You can read my posts and tell. I will never buy an album of his or ever see him in concert. I do not like him anymore. But in no way do I see that he supports perverts over children. I hope we win this fight, but not because we spread lies like you are doing here. He’s just seeing it one sided and not from both sides. That is a fault, not an intent to support perverts.

      • philistinus

        Good job.

      • postal67

        Switched sides did you?

    • Steen Goddik

      Another bigot disparaging transgender people. Bigots sure are losers.

      • Brian

        Yes, you, as a bigot are a loser Steen. Glad you admit that fact.

  • T Hartsell

    I agree 100% with the writer and the HB2 law. I find it very offensive. Bruce, that you would take issue with this law by cancelling a concert in protest. So, if politicians inact a law that you don’t like, you punish your fans who may or not agree with the law. Than you for cancelling and showing me your true colors. I will no longer be a fan of yours and certainly will not pay money to attend on of your concerts.

    • Cathy

      I agree, and what about the fans that planned to attend from other states?

    • Steen Goddik

      So the voters supporting these Christofascist politicians, they should be rewarded?

  • Randy Carter

    Very well written with the truth.

  • isabel Kilian

    Compassion is the virtue of suffering with another or to take their place in suffering. Where is the compassion in letting pedophiles, and perverts have legal access the private space of children and women? Where is your compassion for them? Why not invite a bunch of pedophiles, rapists and other perverts to your home and leave them with your family. Springsteen and all other Liberals have no real compassion at all. They always feel for the criminals and never the victims of crimes.

    • Bob Wager

      Transfer people aren’t perverts and pedophiles, that what you people can’t or won’t see.

      • isabel Kilian

        Any human being with male Chromosomes is male. Those who have themselves chemically altered and/ or physically mutilated are still male. Always will be. To let a male enter a little girls or woman’s space is a perversion. Those who do this are perverts and very often pedophiles and/or RAPISTS. There are no such things as TRANSFER Persons. Males are males. Females are females and that is how nature designed it and no one can change it.

      • isabel Kilian

        Any person who does not recognize their own nature is mentally ill. With mental illness. millions of other diseases and vile acts often flourish. Yes! Mentally ill persons who do not believe reality often engage in acts of criminality.

  • Roger Walker

    The Bottom Line: Let’s stop the insanity and refuse to live in their fantasy world which if not enabled by weird science and surgical mutilation would not even be possible in another time or extreme disaster in our own time or future. This has no basis in the natural world. My 50-year old neighbor who grew up in this neighborhood and who is remembered by some when he was a boy has returned upon the death of his mother to live in the family home. Having now lived here for a few years as Scott, he decided he is now a transitioning female who wants to be called Angela. He likes to dress like Aunt Bee on Mayberry, proudly gardening in his front yard, wearing a large pearl necklace and large flower print dress or housecoat. He likes to wear long costume earrings, etc, but he still drives his old blue pickup truck and goes camping. I don’t know what to think and it is disturbing to those of us who truly like him, but unlike some of my neighbors who call him Angela, my heart grieves for him because I think he needs help.

    • Louise

      Why is his life your business?? How is it hurting you or anyone else?? Answer: it isn’t. Go about your life and let Angela live hers. See how simple that is?

      • mimabo72

        Maybe you like people like that around your family, but I don’t. Why not move 20 drug lords near you and see how you like this . If they are not bothering, why should you care?

        • Bob Wager

          Drug dealers and transgender people are not the same.

        • Louise

          How dare you compare drug lords with transgender people. What is wrong with you??

          • mimabo72

            God hasn’t destroyed a whole city because of drug lords yet however he did for homosexuality. Where do you come off with that “How dare you garbage”? I dare because unlike you I have 3 daughters and a grand daughter. I have seen first hand with deranged nutcases have done to my family.

  • PJ

    Do you really think if Caitlin Jenner was forced to use the men’s room she would come out unscathed??

    • david95

      Yes. If I was in there. If she/he doesn’t do anything wrong, whoever wants to hurt her/him will have to go through me first. And to be honest, I think she/he could probably handle hims/hershelf. He was one of the most athletic men who ever lived. Did that change when he became a woman or because he got older?

      • PJ

        Thank k you.

      • postal67

        Be so happy to GO though you, POSTER..

      • postal67

        I see how you got so many up votes, you vote yourself up.. HAHAHA! Figured that out just now..

  • Jill Beck

    Solid truth.

  • Lorie Rinke

    Extremely well said Dr Brown! Thank you!

  • SIMONSAYS01

    AMEN !

  • Joe Wise

    The solution is simple…The one toilet bathroom… close the door, lock it

    • david95

      Simple but EXTREMEMLY EXPENSIVE to incorporate. Whos; going to pay for it? You and me? And I will never go see a Panther game again. How long would 50,000+ people be standing in line?

    • david95

      Simple but extremely expensive to incorporate. Who will pay for it, the taxpayers? And forget going to a Panthers game. I couldn’t wait in that long of a line behind 50,000+ people.

      • Joe Wise

        A lock cost ten bucks,..invest in a port-a-pot business, Panthers will need a bunch.

      • postal67

        Nobody cares what you think.. Dumbass.

    • postal67

      Works for me, watch out responding to david95, he is a poster.. Liberal without a life or knowledge. Plant more bushes for the men outside..

  • ness911

    A law is not going to keep the people that are TRUE predetors out as in the example that this person gave.
    On the other hand there are people who are physiologically different. It has to do with the release of certain hormones. Some girls are born with a high testosterone level and it continues that way all their lives hence the feeling that they are more male than female. Some boys are born with high levels of estrogen which will continue throughout their lives also hence they feel more like a female than a male. There are plenty of examples of children who are dealing with these things on youtube. Until you walk in someone elses shoes you should not be labling them “perverts” or “deviants” or in need of phsychiatric help because they were born different. Most of these people are dealing with a true physiological problem and need our understanding not our contempt and hatred. Spewing vile things towards these people just goes to show that you know very little about what you are talking about and makes people sound ignorant and bigoted. Its a sad world when we lose our compassion towards our fellow human beings.

    • Danionacloud

      Thank you for this breath of fresh air☺

    • Christine D. Beatty

      “A law is not going to keep the people that are TRUE predetors out as in the example that this person gave.”

      Exactly! In the same way that outlawing guns won’t keep criminals from getting guns.

      • Sunnytime

        Stop using the gun argument fallacy. If these laws were universal, rather than left to cities, jurisdictions, and states, then it would be a lot easier to enforce. But yeah, when there’s multiple guns in existence per American, it’s a little harder to control. Of course you can thank the terrorist-supporting NRA for that. (Yes, terror supporting- when they lobby against laws that would prevent terror suspects from purchasing. And when they use fear to manipulate the masses into thinking a gun is your only salvation.)

        It’s easy to be an armchair critic but perhaps you need to actually look into the issue much more than listening to right wing fanaticism.

    • Milton Orgeron

      And the people you describe have quietly used the bathrooms corresponding to the gender they lived as for years while harassing no one never needed the gender-neutral bathroom laws to enable them to do it. Radical activists who want to erase all gender differences are cynically using transgenders as tools to further their agenda. Real compassion would to have left things alone so as not to require bills such as NC’s and MS’s “bathroom bills” to remove legal protection from heterosexual perverts and would-be sexual predators in defense of 99.99% of the population.

  • Utahlady

    Kudos for saying it all so well and NOT using one insulting four letter word. Admire a person who uses real words!

  • rudyrowell2

    Bruce do you share public restrooms and locker rooms with the rest of us common Americans? When you go to an arena, do you use the facilities that the rest of us use? I doubt it, and I believe that you have security that keeps you safe and keeps us common Americans at a safe distance from you and your pampered friends and band mates. So tell me again how this helps the LBGT community. When those musicians who came before you disagreed with “the man” they wrote songs of protest against “the man” and played the venues that were in “the man’s” face.

    You are so disconnected from reality and what you think you stand for. Go revisit the lyrics to Tom Goad… and try sharing a toilet with a common everyday American, not just those that are reserved exclusively for you and the band!

  • mimabo72

    Your actions only prove that your morals are sick and perverse in my opinion. Let the Sodomites buy your music, I won’t!!!!!!!!!

  • theignorantone

    Rumor has it that ticket sales were being refunded before H2 passed. This whole thing is his way of saving face for not selling out.

    • Janice Sweeney

      You are totally wrong.

    • Christine D. Beatty

      There are lies, damn lies and statistic. Then there is the lowest of all: rumors.

  • C.Stahl

    Very good letter. Tired of us being called bigots! There are too many things to take into consideration before we open our bathrooms to all sexes. Our priorities should be with ALL our citizens, and my first concern about this topic, is the children. To rush and make judgements on NC and calling us bigots is totally uncalled for. Then to ‘punish’ us by not doing business with us because you deem us unacceptable in our attitudes is very arrogant. To me it’s as your saying ” If we don’t believe the way I do then I will enact consequences “. Don’t appreciate anyone trying to force their opinions on anyone. What makes someone think they are so supreme to do such a thing? Thank you NC for standing your ground and not rushing into a decision until you can figure out the best way to handle this. Who really are the bigots???

    • CMBear

      Hb2 has stripped all rights from all North Carolinians. You now can be fired for being Muslim, Jewish, old, a woman, black, Mexican… all title nine protections have been stripped. And you are now forbidden by law to sue a company for wrongful termination through the state legal system, you now must file through the federal government. meaning more expensive and longer waiting times. HB2 is a Trojan horse to drag North Carolina back 100 years into the past.

      Hb2 was rushed through, nobody seems to have read it, but NOW you’re congratulating them on moving slowly? What alternate universe do you live in?

    • TheBSDetector

      If you don’t want to be called a bigot, don’t be a bigot. Bigot.

    • Sunnytime

      “I don’t like that other people are telling me to stop discriminating against people! I can’t use one phrase from Leviticus (while I ignore the rest of the bible, cause really I just like to cherry pick arguments to make me feel better about hating others for no reason.)”

    • Louise

      The sky is falling! The sky is falling!!

  • TeacherGrant

    There has never been any form of assault by a transgender person using a bathroom. There HAVE been Christian heterosexuals who have molested children in bathrooms. Bigotry lives in NC, just like the Jim Crow laws of the past. I am so glad I don’t live there to endure the shame of my state society.

  • Denise Sellers St Onge

    As a North Carolinian, I am embarrassed by how many people here and on the social media truly have no idea what transgender really means or any idea what these persons go through. They are not perverts, waiting to attack children and women, but in transition from one gender to another. I have always seen transgender persons in the ladies-room and most people were entirely oblivious or totally welcoming to them. Where do you think they have been going until now. This makes people no safer, perverts, rapists, pedophiles are still watching for opportunities to strike. People should be careful, as always, to protect against these, but Transgender persons wish only to feel comfortable in their privacy also, with no intentions of harming anyone, only to be left alone and not be harmed by ignorant persons. I had no problem with answering questions with my children and grandchildren about someone they might encounter because I am actually with them at the time for their protection. I also stand outside the men’s room open door and talk to my young boys as they are in there, and would have no qualms about going in if I had to. Yes I’m that lady. Do you think a transgender woman would feel safe in a men’s bathroom? They are the ones who would be in jeopardy, not everyone else. HB2 is discrimination, and most Carolinians I know believe that too.

    • Milton Orgeron

      The real problem people (including myself) have with gender-preference bathroom laws is not with people like you, who needed no such laws to empower you to quietly use the bathroom of the gender you live as without harassing the women who use it with you. You and people like you are being used as political tools by radical activists whose real goal is to erase all gender differences in denial of obvious biological reality, and could not care less about your protection or rights.

      • Linda

        Wow Milton, that’s quite a stretch. I’ve never known any radical activists who want to erase all gender differences.

    • DazedAndConfused

      Denise, see my post above. When do the rights of the few outweigh the rights of the many? There are dozens of documented cases of men posing as women to gain access to bathrooms and dressing rooms. And many use the transgender laws as an out for being in there. The liberal leaders in Charlotte perpetuated this law by passing an ordinance that was unnecessary. No one was even discussing the issue until that Charlotte ordinance was unnecessarily put into place. There were ZERO reported instances of LGBT people being harassed or discriminated against yet they chose to pass an ordinance against it.

      • Fred L Anthony

        thats why its called equal right so everyone is treated equally

  • Danionacloud

    Here’s my typical day. Work, bit of shopping at lunch time. Maybe a few drinks with friends at the end of the day. Home, bite to eat, maybe a movie on Netflix. Bed.
    Sound pretty normal? Sound like your day?
    I’m transgender.

    • Mark Langford

      The point is, sexual predators and child molestors HAVE used crossdressing as a way of entering women’s facilities. In your zeal for allowing transsexuals access to women’s showers, how do you plan on sorting the sexual predators from the transsexuals? You have no plan or concern for anyone but yourself.

      • Danionacloud

        Firstly, transsexuals are not cross dressers. How did you sort predators from non predators before? And please give some evidence of your claim, because as far as I am aware there had never been a single case of a transsexual person assaulting anyone in a bathroom.

        • Ilya Kolodiychik

          It doesn’t matter if they have never assaulted anyone before. This is about what COULD happen…hence why the law was put in place.

          “How did you sort predators from non-predators before?”

          Really? It’s not obvious? If a man walked into a woman’s bathroom…HE WAS A PREDATOR (100% of men were NOT allowed in women’s bathrooms). lol. Seriously?

          • Danionacloud

            Of course it matters. Trans people have been using the bathroom of their identified gender for decades with no issues. Or do think trans people have suddenly decided 2016 is the year the rape and pillage starts? Why do you suddenly feel the need for protection against something that has never been an issue?
            And what I meant, as you well know, is how were predators dressing as women stopped before? And if this actually a thing, where are the multidudes of reports about all these attacks over the years?

          • Ilya Kolodiychik

            I don’t have the statistics but if you don’t think that has ever happened (a man dressing as a woman to get into a woman’s bathroom and then hurting someone)…you’re naive. In all of human history you don’t think someone, once, has tried that? Once is all it takes, IMO. Doesn’t even matter if it wasn’t in the US. Somewhere, it HAS been an issue and people are trying to prevent it from becoming an issue here (even if it’s just the first time to happen here).

            If you have a shlong, you go into the men’s room. Period. I don’t care if you’re the freakin pope and wouldn’t hurt a fly. You go to the men’s room. If you don’t have one, you go to the women’s room. Simple as that.

          • Sunnytime

            Thanks for making a perfect argument as to why guns should be controlled. If you believe that this could happen ONCE- like people using guns to kill others- then clearly that should be legislated.

            I think the better, and more rational option, is to make sure that laws exist that deal with these things. If you’re assaulted in a restroom (which, contrary to fear-mongering people on this discussion, happens very, very little by the way), then the assaulted should be punished heavily. What you want to do is blame the victim here.

          • Ilya Kolodiychik

            I’m all for legislation of that…don’t have a gun, don’t need a gun, and don’t care about guns lol.

            How will you punish someone when there are no cameras in the bathrooms and it’ll be a dudes word against say a little girls? You think that would go somewhere in court? The only solution, literally, is to nip the possibility of the issue in the bud…don’t allow human beings with shlongs into the ladies room. Period.

          • Gish88

            so why do we need a law? A law that advertises to men : “you are free to go into women’s bathrooms now, just say you identify as a woman even if you dont?”

      • Christine D. Beatty

        Mr. Langford, your disingenuous reply ignores there are already laws against men using women’s facilities. You’re creating a situation that only exists in your fearful imagination. Please post a news article of ONE verified case where a man dressed as a woman raped or assaulted or committed any sexual crime in woman’s room. Come on. Just one article. Blog posts do not count as news articles, BTW.

        What is your plan for dealing with the bathroom situation? How would you like a bearded female-to-male transsexual to share the bathroom with your mother or your sister? How would you like to share the mens room with Caitlyn Jenner?

        • Gish88

          You see, this argument is bandied about without thought to the fact that this law will now make it easier for these men to do this. Yes, how WILL you determine if the man in the women’s bathroom really does identify as female, and is not just saying so to gain access to victims?

      • Linda

        The same way we sort the sexual predators from the heterosexuals.

    • Gish88

      what’s your point? Your journal entry doesn’t discuss the issue here.

  • sydney piper bristow

    Oh, Dr. Brown, you are still at it I see. Well, while you letter seemed sincere, you had a lot of bias tones here, as usual. You created a lot of scenarios as to why you think it is dangerous and wrong to allow transgender people their rights, but not one holds merit or validation. You see transgender people’s reality is they are being murdered daily. Your fears that you create scenarios for do not trump the reality transgender people are actually dealing with. You should be ashamed at yourself, because being a doctor means researching all angles and not being bias without merit. The truth is most professionals in the field disagree w your opinion abt LGBT. This is why LGBT is winning their fight. I can provide those professional facts that prove your statements wrong abt transgender people if you would like. Let me know. LGBT has been scientifically proven.

    • Ilya Kolodiychik

      Please provide those facts. I’d love to hear this. Before you waste your time trying to find some insane source…science has not found a gay gene in the human DNA. Science only “suggests” that it’s not a choice (again, this is not proof). So, until science can prove it to be a fundamental part of someone’s DNA makeup…it is a mental disorder and/or a choice. Carry on…

      • Linda

        “Until science can prove it to be a fundamental part of someone’s DNA makeup… It is a mental disorder and/or a choice” — why?? Why does science have to prove something before you will believe the millions of people who tell you they are born this way? Why do the men and women who undergo surgery, hormone therapy, extensive life changes have to prove to naysayers that it’s science??

        • Ilya Kolodiychik

          Because the burden of proof is on those who want to change the structure of society from what it has been for thousands of years (or rather those making claims). Heterosexuality, at least in human beings, is the normal structure. So when a small portion of the society want to make claims related to science and use that to prove that THEIR structure should be the norm, it is on them (via the burden of proof concept) to PROVE it. As of yet, they have not been able to.

          It would be one thing if they had those changes done (voluntarily might I add) and then just lived their lives as if nothing happened…however, they are changing laws, government positions, getting business’ shutdown for not supporting their non-scientifically-proven decisions and causing general issues and division within said society without having a shred of evidence to back themselves up.

          I’m just responding to the post BTW…if poster wants to bring science into this, they better be ready to actually provide scientific evidence (of which there is none).

          • Linda

            I disagree. For centuries women weren’t looked at as human. Did they have to have scientific proof when they were allowed the right to vote, or have equal pay, etc? What about African-Americans, who were looked at as 3/5 a person? Did they offer scientific proof as to their “humanness”?

            Also, heterosexuality is normal for heterosexuals, not LGBT. Did you mean ‘common’? We don’t legislate by Tyranny of the Majority. We are a country in which equality is for all, not just the masses.

          • Ilya Kolodiychik

            Except when equality for all (read: LGBTs) STILL means no equality for some (Christians/people of various faiths). Now THEY are the ones being persecuted if they don’t conform to said new ‘rules’.

            Also, there have always been social classes in the world. However, social standing has no relation to genetic makeup. Terrible example. Comparing LGBT to the American Civil Rights movement is a slap to the face of that movement. LGBT’s for the most part aren’t treated as less than human (I’m sure there are a couple of cases but largely most people leave them alone)…they can vote, they can hold office, they can have high paying jobs, go to the same schools, etc. You can’t argue social standing scientifically (molecules, DNA, etc.). You can argue the normality or commonality of life itself in terms of heterosexuality vs homosexuality with science…which again, has not proven that homosexuality is normal (or common) behavior. As of right now, homosexuality is still an abnormal behaviour of some humans and as such should not force the rest of the population to bow to their ever whim and need (or as you refer to as the Tyranny of the Majority – instead it should be the Tyranny of the Minority? lol).

            Again, this topic is strictly about science proving things (which it has not)…lets not take this talk off topic.

          • Sunnytime

            Look, if you want to be a bigot, just say so. You clearly want to ignore science (which has been pointed out- a simple database search will show you many instances of homosexual activity in animals, mammals). Besides, why do YOU care that there has to be evidence? They exist, and they’re not the pedophiles I’m sure you have them stereotyped as. That’s all you need to know that they deserve equal treatment. The fact that you brought up Christian rights shows that you want to apply a bigoted religious framework to rationalize your hatred and misunderstandings of people that exist and live in this world. It’s a sad, sad world when people think that their religious beliefs should allow hatred and discrimination, which fortunately, millions of real Christians do not adhere to. Christians can still practice where they please, believe what they want, but they cannot use it to discriminate outside of the church.

            I think the only abnormality here is how you’re trying to rationalize your hatred. Fortunately this wouldn’t stand in academic debate, especially since you choose to ignore research and simply claim it doesn’t exist.

          • Ilya Kolodiychik

            lol hatred? Couldn’t care less about the gays…but if a gay OR transgender man walks into a bathroom where my wife is, heads will roll. Simply put.

            As for the Christian stuff, couldn’t care less about them either…however I’m sick of reading about them being forced to rent out their wedding venues, etc. only because they believe something else. Since when is one groups rights higher than the others? You think if a straight guy went into a gay cake shop and get them write “I think homosexuality is a sin!” they’d actually do it? No. They’d tell the guy to beat it, which is perfectly fine (IMO)…just like a straight baker should be able to tell a gay customer to get lost. Both should be able to deny service and both probably would in certain situations if given the chance.

            Regardless, I was responding to a post here about science and it went off on a tangent. Couldn’t care less about it really…just commenting.

          • Linda

            I’m a straight Christian, and there is no persecution toward Christians in the US. If you want to discriminate based on what YOU think is a sin, then you’re out of luck — unless you live in NC or Mississippi.

            LGBT Is the same as the civil rights rights movement — people are born LGBT. I’m sure you think they’ve not been treated less than human, but you’re wrong and living with your head in the sand.

            The problem with your “argument” is there is no basis for it. Scientific? There is no scientific proof of God, either. Perhaps you should do some reading about the human brain — we use so little of it, and know even less about it. There is much to be discovered.

          • Fred L Anthony

            Homosexuality and transgender has existed in society fro the dawn of civilization and yes heterosexuality is commonplace but so is homosexuality you obviously do not research very well to assume homosexuality is only a new thing

          • Ilya Kolodiychik

            Or perhaps you could learn to read and comprehend ;).

            It is not NORMAL in the sense that it has not been proven to be so (part of our genetic makeup). It should be proved to be a normal occurrence, via Science, before people should accept it as such. As of right now, it is ABNORMAL and thus the majority of the population should not be forced to accept something is ABNORMAL (all of these laws, etc.). See how reading works?

            Just playing devils advocate here.

          • Wendy

            However, homosexuality and transgender are NOT “commonplace”. Just because they have existed since time began does not make them “normal” and/or “commonplace”. It is abnormal behavior because only 4% of Americans identify as such. Heterosexual behavior is practiced by 96% of us and is commonplace and therefore “normal”.

          • Louise

            Left-handed people only make up about 10% of society. Shall we go back to the old days when you would get your left hand smacked in school if you were seen writing with it?? Afterall, 90% of people use their right hand so it must be the “normal” way?

          • Wendy

            Except that there IS genetic evidence of why people are left or right handed. Absolutely ZERO evidence of genetic connection in homosexuality orvtransgenderism. Dumb argument Louise.

          • docbob

            my understanding is that slavery was part of the structure of society well into the 19th century. So was authoritarianism. Your argument is really a very weak one, because there are many similar examples, brought up by others on this thread.
            The LGBT community really doesn’t need science to back their demands for equal treatment under the law. It’s only one of several points that can be used to advance the claim to rights under law.
            Law is not science. Democracy is not “scientifically proven” to be a “better or worse” way for people to live together.
            Saying that heterosexuality “is the normal structure,” apart from it’s awkwardness just as a statement, is something like saying right handedness is the norm. True, most people are right handed. It’s about 10:1. Some societies have even tried to discourage or stigmatize lefties. Made efforts to get them to switch. Hmmm…where have I heard that before?

          • Ilya Kolodiychik

            Slavery was an injustice. Yes. But can you really tell me, other that marriage licenses and things of that nature, that LGBT’s are really being abused or disrespected the way slaves were? Come on…that’s weak sauce bro. Apples and oranges and MLK would probably laugh at you for comparing their struggles to that of the LGBT’s who, again, are able to get great educations, great jobs, high ranking positions and for the most part live their lives. Black people couldn’t do ANY of that.

            As for LGBT’s and science…again, I’m simply responding to the original post. Have no horse in this race as I don’t live in NC or the south in general. But simply put, if someone is going to make a claim that science has proven something…they should back it up. That is all. Fact is science hasn’t proven anything.

    • James W.

      are those scenarios not a valid argument?

      • sydney piper bristow

        Not at all. Creating a scenario that isn’t happening doesn’t overcome the reality a transgender person is facing every few minutes. 1 in 12 are murdered.

    • Gish88

      your condescension isn’t gaining you points at all. In fact, all you’ve proven is that you consider GLBT rights more important than women feeling safe .

      • sydney piper bristow

        Actually the fears of a pedophile harming your children unattended holds no merit for what is actually happening right now w transgender people. 1 in every 12 are murdered. Watch your children and keep your fears where they belong. Your children are safer w a transgender using the same bathroom than any cis gendered male.

        • Gish88

          Sydney, nobody is talking about trangender attacking. We are talking about straight males who will say they identify as women so they can gain access to their targets. First get the topic right, then we can discuss your concerns

          • sydney piper bristow

            No perv is going to do that. They drive through parks and sidewalks. If you are worried abt your child being preyed upon, watch your child.

          • Gish88

            They will, and they will do it with more frequency if it’s easier for them. I really don’t think you’ve thought your argument through very well.

        • Gish88

          also, DO NOT tell women we need to sacrifice our safety to address the issue of violence toward GLBTs. that is asinine and counter productive, and only says that you’ll give a crap about anyone else’s rights except women’s.

          • sydney piper bristow

            Do not be stupid, people are dying idiot! This isn’t abt children being preyed upon, it is abt your bigotry.

          • Gish88

            you are too emotional to be talking about this, you should probably refrain from discussing it.

          • Gish88

            if you don’t give a crap about other peoples’ rights, do not expect anyone to give a crap about yours. It’s simple,really. You’ll address the very real ways that women’s rights are being ignored here or you will be dismissed as a self centered child who is only looking out for your own interests. You choose.

          • sydney piper bristow

            No one’s rights are being denied except transgender people’s. You get to pee according to your gender. Women get to pee, transwomen do not.

  • JerseyJoe99

    Dr. Brown, I have read the entire legislation, perhaps it’s you that hasn’t. Read parts 2-5 of the legislation which allow for workplace discrimination against the LGBT community with no recourse in the state courts. Under the law even workplace age discrimination cases have to be moved to the federal courts and out of state court. But since you chose to focus on just part 1 of the bill – the bathroom/changing room portion, allow me to respond to your comments. Women’s rooms have stalls, so a 10-year old girl in the rest room wouldn’t see a transgendered male in the room until she was at the sink washing her hands. On the other hand, let’s take the case of Caitlyn (Bruce) Jenner who still has his male anatomy and despite gender reassignment surgery is still a male on his birth certificate and as such would be required to use the men’s room. How traumatic would it be for a 10-year-old boy to see a woman standing up peeing at the urinal next to him? If Caitlin/Bruce had been allowed to use the bathroom of the gender she identifies with, that situation could have been avoided. I’m a straight, non-sexual predator male, but if I came to North Carolina with a falsified birth certificate saying I was born a female, I could legally go into the women’s locker room and bathroom because the law specifies it doesn’t matter how you look – it’s what’s on your birth certificate.

    • Gish88

      you didn’t address anything at all. Your argument is “well, women’s bathrooms have stalls!” ? Look, just don’t tell women that we need to take anyone into our bathrooms because you say so.And don’t insult us further by saying “that stall door (which you can peek through and in some cases see inside completely) will protect you!” OK?

    • Sammer

      …and if the stall does NOT have a door…or if some DUDE opens the stall door and has HIS skirt hiked up…standing there with HIS business in HIS hands aiming it directly at a 10yr old girl doing her business…NO sink in sight, but guess WHAT is?

  • David Jordan

    you guys want to know the REAL reason this jersey bum is cancelling the show? because he can’t fill the venue. and make a million off of it. so he and his agent got together and decided to pull this crap to get out of the contract and look like a hero.this has been has never gave a rat’s butt about anything except if it worked out good for him.probably mad because he couldn’t put on his dress and go into the women’s bathroom.

    • Janice Sweeney

      Oh, geez, what a crock. Shows you the mentality of the supporters.

    • TheBSDetector

      You’re a special kind of stupid, aren’t you?

    • Fred L Anthony

      thats why the tickets were sold out weeks in advance because he couldn’t fill the venue lol nice try but you missed the facts.

      • David Jordan

        that is what you were told. by his people in a news conference. do you actually believe everything you are told?

  • TheBSDetector

    I”ll give the writer credit for being civil, which is clearly better than many of the commentators below, but his letter is still nonsense.

    • BarrySucks

      The letter was well thought out, logical, factual and honest! Your reply is simply your misguided opinion.

    • Gish88

      too bad you didn’t feel confident enough in your assertion to prove how.

  • Milton Orgeron

    And unlike the would-be molesters who will (and already have, see Washington State and Univ. of Toronto) use gender-neutral bathroom laws as legal protection to peep at and sexually assault women, the Christian and non-Christian heterosexuals who have molested children in bathrooms were rightfully prosecuted and convicted when reported, having no misguided legal protection for their perversity.

    The extreme radical activists who push these gender-neutral “bathroom laws” are not concerned with protection and “rights” for transgenders but rather trying to erase all gender differences in denial of obvious biological reality, whether one believes in a Creator or not. And no matter how many surgeries or hormone treatments a transgender gets, M to F will still have a Y chromosome and F to M will not. Except for the rare cases of physical conflict of genitals with chromosomes, transgenderism and gender identity problems are psychological problems and are best treated as such, with no stigma attached. The pioneers in gender reassignment surgery, Johns Hopkins Medical Center, stopped doing the procedures because the suicide rate 5 years out was 10 times that of the general population. They got the memo, radical activists didn’t because they have an agenda that does not have people’s best interests at heart, but only sees them as political tools.

  • DazedAndConfused

    Richard J. Masbruch today identifies as transgendered. But in 1991, Masbruch brutally attacked the female manager of an apartment complex. He pulled a gun on her, hogtied her, and blindfolded her. Then he used a makeshift electrical device to deliver painful electrical shocks up and down her leg as well as to her arm, warning her that this was an example of how badly he could hurt her. Masbruch then unzipped the woman’s pants and vaginally raped her. After that, he sodomized her. Masbruch was convicted of rape, sodomy, and torture, along with other counts, and was sentenced to two life terms in prison

  • DazedAndConfused

    Christopher Todd Gard is a cross-dresser who, in September 2013, assaulted an 8 year old girl inside a bathroom at a convenience store in Oklahoma City. The little girl had to go to the bathroom. A family member walked her to the bathroom, and the little girl went in by herself. Unbeknownst to the family member or the girl, Gard was waiting inside. He locked the door. Gard was wearing nothing but women’s underwear. He grabbed the girl, put a shirt around her neck, and began choking her. She began screaming. The family member frantically tried to get into the bathroom but could not because the door was locked. An employee quickly opened the door with a key and the girl ran out. Gard followed, carrying a BB gun. He was subdued by the family and arrested by the police. Gard faces charges including aggravated assault and battery, assault with a dangerous weapon, kidnapping, indecent exposure and possession of a firearm during a felony.

  • DazedAndConfused

    Richard Boule is a transvestite from Marlborough, Massachusetts, who is accused of groping an 18 year old woman at a gas station in September 2013. Boule allegedly walked over to the young woman, pulled down his pants to reveal he was wearing woman’s thong underwear, and said “Let’s play.” He then allegedly reached down the front of the young woman’s skirt and groped her through her underwear

  • DazedAndConfused

    Tyler Holder is a cross-dressing biological teenage male who abducted, raped, and murdered a six year old girl in Dallas, Texas, in July 2013. After he raped little Alanna Gallagher, he wrapped her head in plastic bags and smothered her.

    • GreggandDonna Peck

      Don’t bother with facts. This discussion is always only about emotions and the politcally correct police ramming their latest crusade down our throats.

  • Nicole Pacinello

    I would perhaps educate myself on basic psychology before suggesting gender dysphoria could be confused with schizophrenia or dissociative identity disorder. It couldn’t. Ever. As to the proposition someone’s granddaughter would be terrified by a large masculine person in a wig…I say not unless they were prepped to. There is literally NOTHING frightening about that. In fact if you know children, you know there is no rhyme or reason behind their fear sometimes. This article is just sad.

    • Your English Teacher

      The article did nor suggest that “gender dysphoria could be confused with schizophrenia or dissociative identity disorder”. It asked:
      what’s the difference between someone with “gender dysphoria” (or, as it used to be called, “gender identity disorder”) and someone, say, with schizophrenia or “multiple personality disorder” or some other psychological condition? In other words, if a man is a biological and chromosomal male but believes he is a woman, is he actually a woman, or does he have a psychological disorder?

      The writer clearly is asking why one diagnosis is considered a psychological disorder but the other is not.

      Perhaps you might sharpen your reading-for-comprehension skills before you practice composition criticism.

      • Nicole Pacinello

        Thank you for unequivocally proving my point. In my statement, which was obviously difficult for you to grasp, I used the quite complicated phrase “suggesting”. That’s what he is doing in the article by asking “what’s the difference?”. Suggesting that there is a possibility that any human would ever need to question the similarities or between gender dysphoria, schizophrenia and DID (which he ignorantly referred to as multiple personalities) is astoundingly stupid. The answer to his question is quite easily researched in the current publications of the American Psychiatric and Psychological Associations. It is not considered a mental illness.

        • Jean-Marc Cowles O’Connor

          Nicole, I stand by my earlier comment, and recommendation. You are inferring what has not been implied, nor stated outright. He’s not suggesting that “…there is a possibility that any human would ever need to question the similarities or differences between gender dysphoria, schizophrenia and DID…”; he’s asking what makes one a disorder and the other not. Also, that gender dysphoria is not considered a mental illness does not mean that it is not one … or is the fact that homosexuality was once considered a mental illness mean that it was?

  • Steven DePriest

    Bruce who?

  • DazedAndConfused

    Renell Thorpe is a cross-dressing biological male who allegedly broke into a woman’s home in Sacramento, California, in 2011. He restrained her, raped her, and tried on her clothing before fleeing. He was subsequently arrested

  • DazedAndConfused

    Jason Pomare pretended to be transgender to gain access to women’s bathrooms and record hours of video of women and girls using the toilet. Pomare was a 33 year old voyeur when, in 2013, he victimized women in Los Angeles. He donned bra, wig and female clothing to gain access to a women’s bathroom at a Los Angeles Macy’s Department Store so he could secretly video-record the women and girls inside. He had a video camera in a bag, which he slid underneath stalls in order to secretly video-record women and girls as they were using the toilet. When he was caught, he had hours of video of women and girls he recorded by pointing his camera under restroom stalls.

    • Rhonda

      And in 2013 there were 33,636 death caused by firearms. But the same people who want to create laws based on a case in in 2013 do not seem to care about these 33,636 dead people or their families. Not enough to support laws to regulate guns in anyway.

      • OJS

        Guns don’t kill people. Law-abiding gun owners don’t murder people.

        • Sunnytime

          LOL, okay then. Please show me how countries with more gun control have more gun deaths then. A knife wielding person could injure or possibly kill. A person with a gun can (and has, if you haven’t been paying attention, which you haven’t) kill MANY people. But please, continue to spout this argument which has been thoroughly debunked.

          • OJS

            What argument? I gave 2 undeniable facts and you went off on a tangent that had nothing to refute those facts. Go debunk yourself.

          • bannedbymotherjones

            So the fact that I own a gun automatically means – by your logic – that I have killed MANY people. Wow I cannot make this stuff up! Your own words BTW: “A person with a gun can (and has, if you haven’t been paying attention, which you haven’t) kill MANY people.

        • Dilby

          Yeah, because once they’ve killed someone they are no longer “law abiding” right? Funny!

          • OJS

            don’t equate murder with killing. They are 2 different things. If I shoot dead a person breaking into my home, that is killing. If I hunt down and shoot that person’s family member(s) as revenge, that’s murder. Civil society has provided for reparations that are in between the two.

      • DazedAndConfused

        There are gun laws in place. I wonder why those darn criminals just won’t abide by them!

      • Steve Scott

        There were no deaths “caused by firearms,” though surely there were deaths caused by miscreants using firearms.

      • bannedbymotherjones

        We have gun laws in place that are not being enforced due to them being plea bargained away. Usually when a criminal is caught with a gun it is due to a host of other crimes that criminal has committed and the gun violations are usually dropped in favor of the “bigger” crimes. But do tell me how the laws we have and how more control laws will help with the guns already in the possession of felons. Tell me how these laws will prevent a felon from obtaining a gun illegally.

    • geoherb1

      What he did was illegal. Nothing in this law will prevent a criminal from doing something illegal. What it will do is force transgender people to use the restroom matching their birth certificates, not their appearance.

      • DazedAndConfused

        Yeah you cut and pasted that in the comment above. So I’ll just cut & paste my repsonce…

        There are also cases of people such as this using the “transgender non-discrimination laws” as loopholes to avoid prosecution for these types of crimes.

    • Louise

      You seemed to have an unhealthy obsession with details of violent crimes. You may wish to work on that with a therapist. There are all kinds of weirdos out in the world but being transgender has nothing to do with it. There are crazy people of all shapes, sizes, colours, sexual orientations.

  • DazedAndConfused

    In 2013, Rodney Kenneth Petersen was arrested for dressing as a woman to enter a woman’s dormitory and take pictures of the coeds at Loma Linda University in California. An investigation revealed that Peterson had previously dressed as a woman and entered other female-only facilities, trying to take photos of women and girls with a cell phone he had hidden in his purse.

    • geoherb1

      What he did was illegal. And nothing in this law will stop someone from doing something criminal if they want. What this law does, however, is force transgender people to use the restroom in public places to match their birth certificate.

      • CHASBAKER

        What this law does is open doors that were previously closed. Home break-in thieves will always ply their trade but if you don’t think more would come in with your front door open you shouldn’t be making important decisions for yourself or anybody else!

        • fifthdentist

          Amazing how there was no need for any of these laws until same-sex marriage was legalized. The law has lots of other discriminatory measures in it, as well.

      • el

        Normalizing men in womens restrooms will multiply the easy access for predators….Why is going by DNA to use the restrooms so problematic? Why is consideration toward women and children less important?

        • fifthdentist

          So when a female-to-male transgender person with a full beard and penis HAS to use the restroom with your mom/daughter/granddaughter, you’ll be fine with that?
          Because that’s what this law will force them to do.

          • el

            By what I wrote, I thought one could tell I supported safety for women and children. Is it the DNA part that bothers you? That is only one aspect. I also wrote the normalizing of men going into womens restrooms will multiply the easy access for predators. The example of a transgender with a full beard and all you offered would fit into that category, normalizing men in womens restrooms. I do not support that.

  • Janice Sweeney

    I have been in hundreds of rest rooms over the years, at concerts, movies, baseball games, football games, shopping malls, restaurants, etc. I have never, ever seen anyone trying to molest a child or a woman. Where do they go that they see this? How about all the priests who have been pedophiles. How about all the athletic directors who have been pedophiles? Is NC going to legislate against all priests and athletic directors?

    • Gish88

      Let’s see if that remains the case when the law is in effect. Because we should absolutely, when passing laws, put them forth without considering consequences. Oh yes, and as to the presence of molester priests. That whole “There’s bad stuff over that, so that proves that this thing here won’t be bad” logic is ridiculous. I am all for accepting people who honestly identify as another gender. But there are men who will abuse this law. You are fooling yourself if you think otherwise. And we are not going to put people at risk all so you can have your social justice badge.

      • Sunnytime

        A single user, all inclusive bathroom. Problem solved. Stop your fear mongering.

        • antilib

          You’d need 5000 single user, all inclusive latrine at any venue. Kinda shoots that.

        • Gish88

          So, you are saying we don’t need the law then? Good.

        • Gish88

          so you’ve validated my points by saying single use bathrooms instead of having a law that allows anyone access to gender specific bathrooms. Just so you know, that invalidates your “fear mongering” comment.

    • KaneM7

      I have been in hundreds of rest rooms over the years, at concerts, movies, baseball games, football games, shopping malls, restaurants, etc. I have never, ever seen anyone get murdered either.

      Guess since I have never seen it. It doesn’t happen….????

    • Tracey Holmes Driver

      Just because u yourself have not seen it does not mean it has never happened or will happen. For one thing the criminal will wait for an opportunity. No they are not going to try something with a full bathroom. Surely you people can show a little common sense in this. They talk about backwards. Women have had to fight for rights also. Women and children have rights too. We have the right to feel safe in public and to our privacy.

  • Gish88

    thank you for an argument for the “rest of us” who are not into making any political stance with this, just common sense. I am pro GLBT rights. I would have no problem at all with an honest m to f transgender person using the women’s bathroom. But we cannot open the floodgates and just let everyone in because Principle! There are so many places in society where women just don’t feel safe. The basic use of a bathroom (which we don’t have a choice in) should not be added to that list. The fact is, when it comes to human rights, women have ALWAYS been told to take a back seat with their concerns.

    • Gayle Schermerhorn

      Right. Common Sense is key!

  • Chriseve Lyons

    Here’s a solution: When in doubt,hold it in!

  • OJS

    Bruce won’t ever acknowledge this because like the rest of the left, they have no solid answers to those questions. Like most liberal ’causes’ they put the feelings before the facts and when the facts are questioned, they have nowhere to go but in attack mode like cornered rats. They attack all objective truths with subjective diversions. Watch….

    • Rhonda

      I just gave some answers. I dare you to read my post from 17 minutes after your post.

  • Carla Maple

    I personally find your stand on this to be selfish .Did you ever think 1 time about the individuals who spent their hard earned money to buy your tickets perhaps they had already booked a hotel room for the night if they lived away from the area , paid a baby sitter ,most of them are probable average earring individuals who do not have the money to throw around . Sure they will get reimbursed for their ticket but will you pay them back for other expenses ? Perhaps next time some celebrity or band cancels their concert they should take this into consideration Regardless what your views or opinions are you could have preformed and then announced it would be your lat one in that state due to these reasons

    • Sunnytime

      Oh yes, the little money you spent to go see him is obviously more important than the ability to live your life free from discrimination. Yes, let’s pay your hotel costs when LGBT people can be denied housing, fired without due cause, and many other benefits, just because of who they are. It’s amazing what people will try to rationalize to feel comfortable with their own hatred.

      • Carla Maple

        I have disrespect for People who like Mr Springsteen who thought nothing for the individual who thought enough about him to spend there hard earned money. And I have disrespect for people who do not allow others to voice their Opinions on topics
        What about all the Christian/Jews/ Catholics an other religions that are being persecuted when they stand up for their beliefs if as a Christian I speak up and say this offends me I’m a Bigot or a Raciest Yet the LGBT community can trample my beliefs and get away with it and call it progress . lets Not kid ourselves that the individuals have not always had rights because in some way’s they have had more then the heterosexual individual If i fire a person for what every reason and they are among the LGBT community they can take the business owner to court Just because they say that was why they were fired even if it had not part in the decision.I have no hatred to this population I have a sister who is gay , a niece who is trans-gendered My original Comment was for those who were the victims on this whole cancelling to start with.

  • bobcat99

    This letter does not address the fact that this is me than a bathroom bill. It closes down opportunities for lesbuans, gays, veterans, people with disabilities, etc., from being able to sue for discrimination. If the legislature had just addressed the bathroom portion the state would not be in the trouble it is in. They went too far. Now all f us in NC have to pay the price. Bruces handlers understand the bill more than the people who support it.

    • antilib

      Sue for discrimination? Discrimination of what??? And you think WE don’t understand. I understand.

    • CHASBAKER

      The possibility for lawsuits is not taken away. It simply reduces the duplication of State and Federal courts having to handle the same kind of cases and In some instances the same case.
      In a country which has become “sue-happy” in almost every category we certainly don’t need duplication.

  • Dee Perry

    Thank you for speaking for us Ladies and children in such an eloquent and respectful manner. Chivalry is still out there, even though it is almost “against the law” to be so nowadays. And Bruce, I always did like and respect respect your music, but as of now, you are “Not the Boss of Me”

  • Juliette Michelle

    Although I believe this law should stay in effect, I must say, referring to the link about predatory cross-dressing/”transgender” individuals, that these predators were doing this type of evil garbage before transgender was a “thing”, and they will continue to do so, only with very easy access if these kinds of biological bathroom separation laws are lifted in favor of ambiguity. The other important point is the psychological aspect of so many transgendered people (other than the ones borne of the whiney, safe-place seeking mindset of mellinials and of these new generations, who are encouraged/supported be this way… Sooo many transgender people were abused and molested! They have gender identity issues because they have real emotional and psychological issues going on as a result of abuse! This I not something to celebrate and encourage to the dismay of the majority of the population against it. These people need help, not encouragement!

  • Victor Lucas

    Do a google search for Laith Ashley and tell me how traumitized your grandaughter will be – – since Laith was female at birth and your new law will accordingly require use of the womens restroom.

    • DazedAndConfused

      There are exceptions to every situation. I can show you dozens where men dressed as women have assaulted, raped, etc…..I’ve posted several already.

    • Nancy Janzen

      Why the hang up on multiple use restrooms. Do you have a fetish about smelling peoples excrement from the next stall. Like to hear the turds dropping into the water? How about a real advance to civilization and make all restrooms and locker facilities single use.

    • Gayle Schermerhorn

      Laith, made her choice. Did she have the full operation? I took a peek at some Calvin Klein photos and she appears to have had a full operation.

  • Sherluck

    How did a guy with no talent get so far?

    • Sunnytime

      Lol, no talent. “I don’t agree with someone so I’m going to slam a guy who still has millions of fans”… Obviously you’re just grasping at straws now.

      • Sherluck

        His millions of fans are all in nursing homes now.

        • Tom Bronson

          Funny. Half of my middle school students saw his show and wore his concert T-shirt to school the next day. They loved him.

          • Sherluck

            That is funny, the middle school students around her never heard of him.

          • Tom Bronson

            You might be surprised. Middle school students are children of 30 and 40 somethings. Many of which still love The Boss. Many of my students saw The Who when they were in town, as well.

          • Dilby

            Tom, a Justin Bieber fan is never going to get it. Nothing existed before their hero.

          • Tom Bronson

            I was recently teaching a lesson on combinations and, when explaining 0! (Zero factorial) I said, “If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.” A sixth grader shouted out, “I love Rush!”

            Don’t condemn an entire generation based on the behaviour of some.

            Oddly enough, that was Bruce’s whole point. The law condemns all gay and transgender individuals based on the incorrect belief that they all behave a specific way. That’s defined as stereotyping and, when used to deny equal rights, is called bigotry.

        • bannedbymotherjones

          I’m not in a nursing home. I don’t like what he did but I do like his music.

  • Frank Hoffman

    It’s a stunt to advertise. He couldn’t sale any tickets so he had to come up with an excuse. We can’t help that you all washed up.

    • Frank Liles

      I agree Frank. He is a has been and when I was younger I didn’t listen to his music. If I wanted to hear moans of a person trying to take a crap I’d record myself.

      • Sherluck

        LOL

    • Dilby

      Nice try, but his show was SOLD OUT, as usual.

    • Linda

      Lol.

    • bannedbymotherjones

      I’m not a fan of his actions but I have to disagree with your statement.

  • Jeff

    brucey and the band trying to be relevant….guess what …poor judgement of what to stand up for….you guys failed….there is nothing admirable about being a libturd progressive agenda stooge. you are the boss no more…just another bunch of sheeple.

    • Sunnytime

      Jeff doesn’t agree, so he insults people and calls them retards, which is obviously something to make fun of people about. Thanks for proving that you’re wrong and have nothing relevant or rational to say.

  • Craig Hedrick

    There is more to HB2 than just the “bathroom clause.” While I agree with that portion of the bill, there are other parts of it that remove protection from discriminatory hiring/firing processes which are just plain wrong. Also of note, these same portions of the bill could be used against any citizen regardless of their orientation or gender preference or what have you. Im not really sure of the PC way to say that. The Charlotte Mayor and City Council went too far, and then the NC Legislature and Governor went too far the other way.

  • Sunnytime

    The ignorance and misunderstandings of what trans actually means is horrifying. So many ignorant commenters who would rather listen to fear mongering and right-wing nutjobs rather than actually taking the time to get to understand human beings.

    This letter writer is just plain ignorant, and any of you who try to say anything about the “left” are just bigots who want to institutionalize discrimination so you can feel better about being hateful, fearful people.

    • LibertyforAll

      please explain it to us ignorant rubes.

      • Sherluck

        He is too horrified to write at this time.

    • Pat

      Typical Progressive, Spouting a retort based on “feelings” without using any logic whatsoever to look at the consequences.

    • Gayle Schermerhorn

      I don’t get it. Why is spelling out the truth considered hateful? These folks are not cupcakes to be handled with kid gloves. Institutionalize Discrimination, that is a mouthful. I think you just described what a liberal is. lol

    • Robert Perryman

      The ignorance and misunderstandings of what being a Human being actually means is horrifying. So many ignorant commenters who would rather listen to fear mongering and left-wing nutjobs rather than actually taking the time to get to understand human beings.

      This letter writer is just expressing concerns, and any of you who try to say anything about the “Right” are just bigots who want to institutionalize discrimination so you can feel better about being hateful, fearful people.

      • Linda

        The right wing nut jobs ARE bigots, that’s one reason why your party is imploding. Understanding human beings? Lol That would be funny if it weren’t so detrimental to the country. Your accusations that liberals don’t tolerate bullies is as valid as Obama being a Muslim.

    • Glenn Martin

      Here we go again, when a Loony Liberal can’t Understand there is a PROBLEM out comes the HATE Card. Tell me WHY would a normal minded male want to use a female bathroom? Please Answer This!

  • Dean Bruckner

    If Bruce can refuse service based on his deeply held beliefs, so can Christian bakers, photographers, florists and others!

    • LibertyforAll

      good point. Typical progressive behavior.

      • Patrick

        YOU BET!!!! Let’s ALL be obnoxious A HOLES in the name Jesus!!!!

      • darliegoddess .

        You realize you made no sense right ?

        • LibertyforAll

          You realize just because you dont understand something doesn’t mean it doesn’t make sense right?

          • darliegoddess .

            I’m pretty sure no one on the planet understood i.

    • mmmm7777

      wow…… This is such a good point…. Should people sue BS (Bruce Springsteen) for denying service because of his bigotry against the people of NC who legally voted for this resolution and he is going against it.. Not only that, now people are offended and stressed because of teh damage they will have due to BS initiative in their lives… this has definitely caused tremendous damage and stress to the lives not only of people going to the concert, but people that were not going but now can loss jobs because of this.. So if denying a $100 cake to a gay couple created a fine of about $100 k for emotional damages, let’s imagine 1000 people sue BS for the same reasons at $100k each, this would be a total of $100 million dollars. Come on Lawyers, you love this stuff, do it!

      • Dean Bruckner

        I saw a similar idea a couple of days ago, some guy on facebook collecting signatures on a petition to support Bruce’s right to cancel concerts he didn’t want to play.

        Initially, I thought the guy was just another liberal, but then I realized he was maneuvering for a brilliant checkmate, or at least a knight’s fork chess move. My reaction was to.say, “Well played, sir, well played.”

        • Patrick

          YES!!!!
          Let’s ALL be obnoxious douchebags in the name of God!!!!

        • darliegoddess .

          Only someone this ignorant could think it was a checkmate.

          • Dean Bruckner

            You play chess, do you!? I challenge you to an online chess match. Accept by replying to this comment below, and create a user name at lichess dot org.

          • darliegoddess .

            Only with people who have a chance of winning.

      • Patrick

        YEAH!!!! Let’s ALL be obnoxious dicks in the name of The Lord!!!!

        • bannedbymotherjones

          Better than being one in the name of Patrick.

        • mmmm7777

          Nope.. The Lord has nothing to do with this. In the name of the radical LGBT groups who use these same tactics against Christians.

      • HotmessJess

        The people of NC didn’t vote for this. It was not put to a vote of the people. And under NC HB2, NC taxpayer is not a protected class.

        *edit for side note:

        Moreover, it’s my understanding that he was in a contract with NC for this concert, so if that contract included a cancelation policy with which he was compliant, there’s no breach of contract. There’s no tort there, sorry.

        • mmmm7777

          So is not breach of contract to cancel 48 hours prior to the event due to his disagreement on a local law that has nothing to do with the concert and his fans? Nevertheless, do not worry for him. Nobody is going to sue him…. But he is a Hypocrite..

          • HotmessJess

            I’m not privy to the contract between he and the promoter, so I wouldn’t know. If there exists a cancelation policy to make whole the promoter, and he fulfilled it, he didn’t beach his contract.

            He didn’t have a contract with the ticket holders, or the state. Just the promoter.

          • Rena

            When you buy a ticket you are in a sense contracting BS to perform at the set venue. You are paying him for a service although it is held at auditorium. Its not a contract with the state, the state is not making money off him being there, the people who set up the venue are, and the public who buys the tickets.

          • HotmessJess

            Like I said, you are entering into a contract with the ticket vendor and the promoter. Not Springsteen. You, as a ticket purchaser, are NOT paying BS for services. The promoter gets that money. The promoter pays the performer a set fee for the performance.

            There is no “in a sense” in contact law. The ticket holders have no tort with the entertainment directly.

      • Annette Fielder

        Really? Is that bothering you MORE than legalizing discrimination?

        • mmmm7777

          By the contrary.. This means that if BS can cancel his concert denying service because he believes doing it is against his own personal values, while discriminating against the people that bought tickets as well as with the people that are abiding to this law in NC, then the photographer that did not want to take the pictures of the Gay wedding should have had the same privilege of not doing something that goes against his personal values. It has to work both ways!

          • theghostwriter

            Wow, so much stupid; so little time. It is NOT the same thing, you idiot. If Springsteen decided to play in NC but he refused to let “Christians” into his concert, THAT would be the same thing.

          • mmmm7777

            Maybe wasting my time here, but let’s give it a try….He decided not to do the concert (Apparently only had 15,000 tickets sold, but lets not get into that) claiming this was against his believes and values. This is that he is against discriminating vs LGBT.. He does want them to have the right to go to any single bathroom (showers too) at any time, no matter if there are little girls, mothers, grand mothers there.. and He is all for it.. I respect his opinion.. But the law before and after he signed the contract does not allow for that.. He decided not to perform and to me he denied service to Christians, non Christians, worst yet, he discriminate to all people in NC just because they live there… Just for the record, The other opinion is that no man with a penis should go into a female bathroom and this is what this law is in part protecting and this is not to protect vs LGBT, but men posing as LGBT people that would like to use this as an excuse to do bad things including taking pictures and posting them on the internet, etc.. and I happen to agree with that position……Can’t wait to read your reply

          • theghostwriter

            My reply: buy a friggin’ dictionary and look up the words “boycott” and “discrimination”

          • Lisa Chantel Hill Wade

            So, if a baker or photographer “boycotts” a wedding it is okay? Sounds like you are playing with words to fit an agenda.

          • theghostwriter

            No, words mean things. Bruce chose to boycott NC because he doesn’t like the laws there. If a photographer or baker doesn’t like the laws there, they can do the same thing Bruce did: they can choose not to do business there. That is a boycott. What Bruce didn’t do is say “I will do business with some people in NC, but not with others.” That would be discrimination. Two different things.

          • Lisa Chantel Hill Wade

            You give a different perspective, but those businesses did not refuse to serve gays and lesbians, they refused to bake a cake. They didn’t even have to give a reason. It would have been easier to say they didn’t have time.

          • theghostwriter

            But they didn’t say that, did they? They decided to be martyrs, because Christians LOVE to play the persecution card. Here’s a thought: how about you/they grow the f*** already and leave behind the fairy tales and superstitions. We’re just primates clinging to a rock hurtling through space. Isn’t about time we start thinking about real problems instead of obsessing over who uses what bathroom?

          • Ellie Hardister

            lame reply!!

          • Rhonda

            Wow you hit it on the head! Thank you.

        • Rickey SC

          I’m sorry.. but you are full of doo doo… not allowing men in women’s bathroom is NOT discrimination.. what kind of drugsare you taking.. or move to a place that allows this ridiculous stuff!

      • darliegoddess .

        It was against the state, not a person Einstein.

        • mmmm7777

          Well, then the state has the legal right to sue him then…

          • darliegoddess .

            No actually. It is an unconstitutional law that puts his fans in danger. It was enacted after he signed and therefore changes the terms of his contract. No lawsuit sorry.

          • Rena

            So with that argument, a Christian baker, who has had their business long before the Gay Marriage Rights were enacted, does not have to make cakes for gay weddings. Oh not to mention that the law had not passed yet when they refused to make the cake.

          • theghostwriter

            Um, no. That is NOT a valid argument. If Bruce decided to play in NC but he refused to let “Christians” into his concert, that would be equivalent. But that’s not what he’s doing. He decided he doesn’t like the conditions in NC and doesn’t want to do business there. Photographers and bakeries have the same right to not do business there if they don’t like the conditions. Is that simple enough for you to understand?

          • mmmm7777

            Well the law was there even before he signed the contract. Nothing change. But again, the fact is that this law is to protect mothers, daughters, basically any woman that does not want to have a man with a penis going at the same time than them to the same bathroom. I wonder if BS thinks that in his concerts, men dressed as women but having a penis can actually go to women’s bathrooms. Assume he is for it, but I can assure you that the majority of women will feel very uncomfortable with that situation. What about a Taylor Swift or Justin Beaver concert full of little girls and teenagers. Would you accept a 50 year old man dressing as a woman going to the female bathroom at the same time? I assume you do not mind.. In my case I do and am sorry if you think I am intolerant on this, but I am…

          • darliegoddess .

            No, actually it wasn’t there or he would not have agreed to play. And the law does nothing to protect anyone. Since 90% of child molestation is by a parent, guardian, family member or family friend. If you wanted to protect them you would put the male parent through psychological tests to determine their chance of raping their children. In the states where transgender people are using the washrooms there have been ZERO incidents, At one point you must realize intellectually you are inferior , sexually insecure and emotionally backwards . Your logic is based on ignorance, not fact.

          • mmmm7777

            I do agree with what you say.. most Child molestation happens unfortunately in dysfunctional families and relatives.. I am not saying LGBT people (at least not all of them) are bad people. And if this law will only protect the 10% remaining ones, then I am still all for it.
            Lastly, you started with what seemed to be some interesting and reasonable arguments but at the end you just let your frustration out..what a disappointment. Let’s end the conversation here….

          • darliegoddess .

            But you are saying they are bad people and based on absolutely no fact. Now one of the interesting things is a group pushing HB2 held up this long line of pictures of people they claim that were trans people who were arrested for at least “indecent exposure” . I personally searched the data base they provided and found in every single case they had lied. Most were poor male or gay black who could not get jobs as prostitutes to survive, If trans people are discriminated against , black trans people have no chance whatsoever. I’m sorry if my saying you are intellectually inferior offends. In this case it is true. I am tired of spending my time debunking people with no critical thinking skills .

          • mmmm7777

            I am not saying all LGBT people are bad. There are good people and bad people.. In all groups of life.. Good and bad Christians, good and bad fathers, good and bad mothers, so i can confidently tell you there are good and bad gay people…. if any I do have compassion for transgender people.. It must be difficult be them….. but also concern on the majority of people that do not want a man with a penis in the same bathroom at the same time… What about their rights? anyways.. was a nice debate. Good bye from an intellectually inferior to you guy….

          • darliegoddess .

            It doesn’t matter how many LGBT people you are saying are bad, you are still saying it based on nothing. This law is based on no issue. You see you think it requires your compassion, it doesn’t. Like black people , transgender people are happy to let the law and the medical community determine their rights and not ALEC (American Legislative Exchange Council) . I will get to that in a minute.
            Now this is why I am so hard on you for your lack of intelligence. You cite that the majority of people dont , . . .. you do realize that at one time the majority of people were fine with slavery, that they were fine with women not voting and were ok with domestic abuse, that they didn’t want black people living in their neighborhood. Laws don’t run by your whims.

            How is a transgender person peeing taking away their rights? These people aren’t interacting.

            This legislation was created by the American Legislative Exchange Council. Republicans are not intelligent enough to write their own bills so they have them written for them and handed to them. They are the party of stupid.

          • Robert W Ryder

            Gov is trying to put more strain on an already bad problem!!!!#! 🙁 Throwing in some sexual deviants is not going to help anything!!!#!# Just fk thinks up for majority of peeps who don’t like the idea!!!!#! 🙁 And sht has already started! !!!#! 🙁

          • Robert W Ryder

            That’s a fkn lie!!!!!#! 🙁

          • Robert W Ryder

            False!!!#!##! Lied again!!!!!##!! You are discredited!!!#! You are soon sick you are willing to lie!!! The only reason there aren’t more, is because there are so few people with this problem!!!#! So many are also unreported!!!#! 🙂 😉

          • Brian

            No actually the law is NOT unconstitutional. To even be such it would have to be discriminatory against a protected class and there is no language, let alone implications that it is. It does not matter WHEN the law was enacted as there and has no impact on his contractual obligations. By them signing this into law it does not alter ANY terms of his contract.

            And actually any ticketholder that was put out because of his choice to not perform has grounds. Just as the venue and promoter have grounds to sue him as well.

          • darliegoddess .

            Its only has to be discriminatory to Springsteen’s fans. It does matter because it changes access to the venue. They have no grounds.

          • Brian

            lol.. you realize how utterly ridiculous that is right? You say it changes access to the venue and that is patentedly and factually false.

            It does not matter the law. It not NC prevented ANY ticketholder from seeing Springsteen. ONLY the man himself did that. They have perfect grounds. If you have nothing more compelling than that?

          • darliegoddess .

            Not ridiculous at all. If that venue suddenly stopped black people from using a white washroom he would be totally justified as well. They haven’t a single foot to stand on. You may have notice around 50 businesses and a slew of cancellations. They going to sue them all ?

          • Brian

            No darliegoddess he would not. That is not the way it works and here is where your actual ignorance of the law comes into play. The policies of a city do not affect the venue at all. Now if the city had enacted an ordinance that said only black people could attend a concert you would have a case but as NOTHING of the sort took place, you have nothing.

            They have more than a foot to stand on, unlike you. And no, not anywhere near 50. Nice over-dramatization on your part.

          • darliegoddess .

            I’m afraid they do. If you try to force transgender women or men into a male washroom they will not come. That is like forcing women into the mens washroom. But you knew that. My father was a lawyer, I’ve seen blatant discrimination before.

            Stop being a simpleton. I said blacks in a white washroom. They would be free to go they just would be segregated.

            You couldn’t pursue a legal case if your life depended on it.

          • Brian

            I’m afraid your entire argument does not hold any water. Not legally or otherwise. If your father was a lawyer then you failed miserably at observation and your father needs to teach you over again.

            Simpleton! READ and comprehend what is written then let it percolate a bit in your head then form a response. YOUR example had nothing to do with the venue at all and would not affect the legality in the sense of it being a legal defense for Springsteen. He made a choice on what he was to to based on person preference. What NC did, did not affect the venue at all.

            Sorry but the only one here that cannot pursue a legal case is YOU. You try to come off as intelligent and scholarly in law but you fail miserably at it. Get an education then come back and try to argue the semantics of law.

          • darliegoddess .

            Where’s the lawsuit? Oops, conversation over. Afraid my argument is based on fact. NC changed the venue by law leaving out his transgender fans. He gave you his answer, you are just too dumb to get it.

          • darliegoddess .

            Not in NC but then no one will live there soon.

          • Brian

            Again, more factless speculation from a simpleton who has already shown zero skill in a legal debate. As I said, I really hope you are not a lawyer as you will lose an awful lot.

          • darliegoddess .

            There is no lawsuit. Checkmate Flintstone!

          • Brian

            lol.. Not YET oh dimwit. Not yet. And checkmate? You better stick to something a whole lot more your speed like x’s and o’s as chess is beyond your skill level. You cannot even put together a coherent argument without it getting ripped easily apart.

          • darliegoddess .

            Lol! You wish!

          • Brian

            No. I don’t need to wish. Each time you type and spew out your ignorance you provide solid fact for that point. Like I said, stick to x’s and o’s. You lost at chess the moment you sat down. Seriously is this all you liberals can do? You claim victory on a conversation when it’s blatantly not the case and when you get your butt handed to you with facts you resort to attacking the person and getting all childish. Then you double down with the lies about ‘father being a lawyer’ as if that gives some weight to your argument. Laughable.

          • darliegoddess .

            MMm no , my father was a lawyer. QC by the way. My mother an opera teacher who did paralegal work for my father.

            I am pretty much the only one who knows the facts on this site 🙂 And you didn’t ever even start to win.

          • Brian

            lol Oh my the hubris. DId you seriously just type that tripe? “I am pretty much the only one who knows the facts on this site?”

            Little one that is a lot of presumption on your part with zero facts to back it up. I won the moment you started your lame argument. As I said, stick to x’s and o’s as against chess players, you lose the moment you sit down. It just takes a few moves for you to figure that out.

            IF what you say about your parents is true, then they did a horrible job of passing along knowledge of the law to you, let alone how to form an argument.

          • darliegoddess .

            You keep mentioning your x’s and o’s. Was this tactic successful when you were 5 so you never let go of it? My parents did terrifically. Yours, the abortion sadly did not take.

          • Brian

            Ah once again with the sad liberal tactic of using Ailinsky’s rules. As the obvious escapes you with the rendition of x’s and o’s I will explain for you. It is a simple childhood game and I keep referencing it as it is the only thing that is akin to your skill level with this debate.

            Your parents failed miserably as your weak, ineffective arguments clearly show. Abortion? Nah, unlike you liberals with your disease, we value life.

          • darliegoddess .

            Lol! A “liberal tactic”. You haven’t even a clue Alinsky’s rules were let alone if they were applied. Apparently the only thing you value is your own stupidity.

          • Brian

            Yeah. A liberal tactic. Do you have a problem with reading and comprehension? Oh wait, nevermind, you clearly do.

            *Chuckle* Simpleton. As it obviously escapes your attention, all it takes is a google search to know what they were. Again, this goes back to you needing an education.

            Thanks for continuing to showcase your own stupidity. It’s rather amusing that you are blind to it.

          • darliegoddess .

            Why no, sometimes it is hard to decipher someone who is speaking at a 3rd grade level like you but we can eventually translate. That you assume anything Alinsky said has anything to do with this is pretty humorous. Which of the rules for radicals are you assuming are being applied here ? Facts vs fiction is not a “liberal tactic”.

            I am blind to many things but your false equivalences aren’t one of them Mr Bigot.

          • Brian

            Aww how cute, Yes, we know it is hard to decipher your 3rd grade level speak, but hey, we try and eventually it is translated. If you bothered to actually google it then you would be able to recognize that why yes, you have used his little manual. So yes, to me it was humorous as I called you out and burned you on it rather easily.

            Sorry but I have to be intolerant of someones opinion to be a bigot and I have done not a bit of that. Whereas you have.. Ms Bigot.

          • darliegoddess .

            “google it ” So you have no idea which Alinsky rule we are using here. Lol!

          • Brian

            *Chuckle* I read them enough to recognize them in action. I told YOU to google it so you could, once again, educate yourself. But as you are too stupid to do so..

            Rules 3,5 and 12 seem to be the ones you most commonly revert to. I’ll let you look it up and try to formulate a response.

          • darliegoddess .

            You have no idea of what you are talking about, You claimed I was using them , couldn’t name one I was using , now admitted you had to google it.

          • Brian

            *Shakes head* Are you this dense naturally? I said I could not name the specific rule, but could recognize when they were being used. You do understand written english do you not? TO name the specific rule as you requested I had to go back and google it.

            This is not that hard. Not even for a liberal such as yourself. So yes, I DO know what I am talking about. Not my fault if you are dense.

          • darliegoddess .

            How do you recognize a rule you can’t name Einstein ? What an idiot.

          • Brian

            Since the obvious escapes you oh dimwitted one. You recognize it because you read the rule over and you understand what it means and how it looks in use.

            Yes, you are an idiot. A person does not HAVE To know the rules name or number to be able to recognize it and go back later to reference it. You truly are an idiot and then you have the gall, as you lack the brain power to think it through, to call someone else an idiot? Laughable.

          • darliegoddess .

            Lol! You are so busted.

          • Brian

            That is cute that you think so but beyond that you have nothing. But hey, keep trolling, bigot.

          • Robert W Ryder

            Lol, no one even likes or confirms her posts!!!#! 🙂

          • Robert W Ryder

            Face it!!!#! She’s trying to baffle you with bullsht but, your too quick and intelligent for her!!!!#! 🙂 She’s running out of excuses!!!!!#! 🙂

          • Robert W Ryder

            Lololzzzz, she’s out cold!!#!##!##!!!!!! 🙂 😉

          • darliegoddess .

            They aren’t responsible for your medical ignorance.

          • Brian

            Unfortunately the only ‘ignorance’ here, medical or otherwise is yours as I have claimed nothing. But wait, I’ll give you the opportunity to show where I have..

          • darliegoddess .

            “people that do not want a man with a penis in the same bathroom at the same time.”

            You just claimed they were men. Medical assessment by someone with no medical knowledge. I don’t want men like you with gonorrhea near me but I’m not asking for your medical records or banning you because of it. There is really no way you can tell. You just have to live with it like I must.

          • Brian

            Newsflash. A person with a Penis IS a man. That is medical fact. Some of them might identify as women but until they surgically re-gender, they are still men. You want to try again daliegoddess? I can rip your arguments apart any time I choose with simple ease.

          • Robert W Ryder

            Brian you are kicking a dead horse!!!!#! I know this is an old post but I haven’t had time to catch up!!!#! I’ve just been wanting to add to the fire!!!!#! Haha!!!!#! 🙂

          • Robert W Ryder

            Lolzzz, she’s out for the count on this one!!!!#! I think you smoked her brain Brian!!!!!#! 🙂 😉

          • bannedbymotherjones

            Why is it when a liberal democrat gets into a conversation with someone who disagrees with them they are always the first one to sling insults? It makes people not want to take you seriously.

          • darliegoddess .

            Most likely they are talking to an a s s h a t !

          • bannedbymotherjones

            It’s crazy. People like you, that Steen dude, and others start off with the assumption that the change was due to hatred or fear and go on a rampage from there. It’s like there is this total cognitive disconnect and a presumption that if someone disagrees with you no matter what the reason they are “a s s h a t s ! “, “bigots”, or “hate” in general. Why is that? Why are you so incapable of having a conversation without resorting to petty insults?

          • darliegoddess .

            The change was due to hatred or fear. Read this page and it completely validates that assumption. You want reason when you do unreasonable things. You want logic when nothing you do is logical. Do you personally know any LGBT people ?

          • bannedbymotherjones

            Not hatred. Fear for potential harm to children in case a pedophile decides to hide behind the law yes. I’ve read this page – I have several comments on this page – and I see nothing unreasonable or hatred-inducing about the open letter. What Bruce is attempting to do is to change laws in a state he does not reside in and he’s really gone about it the wrong way IMHO. Perhaps he’d have been better off saying that he would be playing and donating some/all of the proceeds to a fund to support the law – giving those a choice to either pay to support him and that law or not pay and not support him and that law.

            You make the claim that I want logic but do nothing logical. What exactly have I done that is not logical? I’ve been reasonable when people have been reasonable towards me and I’ve been less than reasonable when someone treats me less than reasonable. Besides I did not ask for things to be logical – civil yes. Things being logical would also be a welcome change.

            You ask if I know any LGBT people – yes I know several, related to 2 and I love and respect them all. I have a cousin who is trans and while most of the family does not approve I see it as her business – honestly while I do not understand why she is making the change she still has my full support.

          • darliegoddess .

            It is all hatred and fear. These are the same hatred and fear tactics used against every minority. “We can’t leave blacks around white women, they might rape them”. Who are you kidding ? Springsteen saw the discrimination and responded perfectly.

            Problem: Fear of men entering washroom to look up girls skirts.
            Logic: Men who do this will do it regardless of who is in there including transgender people.
            Bizarre Illogical Response: Ban transgender women have nothing to do with it.

            No, your cousin doesn’t have your full support. If you are promoting this false narrative you are the greatest danger to her ever. Statistically the murder rate against transgender people is 16X the average. You are endangering her life.

          • bannedbymotherjones

            It is all hatred and fear. These are the same hatred and fear tactics used against every minority. “We can’t leave blacks around white women, they might rape them”. Who are you kidding ? Springsteen saw the discrimination and responded perfectly.

            So because YOU say it’s hatred it’s hatred. Got it. It must be nice to be so right all the time. /sarcasm. Again it’s NOT the transgender people that are the issue, it’s the skeevy pervs who would pretend to be one.

            Problem: Fear of men entering washroom to look up girls skirts.

            Logic: Men who do this will do it regardless of who is in there including transgender people.

            Bizarre Illogical Response: Ban transgender women have nothing to do with it.

            So what is wrong with a single stall unisex bathroom? Not a damned thing. But no, that is just not good enough is it? So the bizzare illogical response is to open up bathrooms to everyone – no matter if a woman feels uncomfortable with a man in what is supposed to be a women’s restroom – it’s all good as long as you did the “feel good” thing right?

            No, your cousin doesn’t have your full support. If you are promoting this false narrative you are the greatest danger to her ever. Statistically the murder rate against transgender people is 16X the average. You are endangering her life.

            You are full of it. It’s not a false narrative nor am I endangering her life. Nice try but no. Tell me exactly how opening all restrooms to everyone would somehow save her life or put it in less danger than before?

          • darliegoddess .

            “So because YOU say it’s hatred it’s hatred.”

            No, I think it is proven by the facts.

            “t’s NOT the transgender people that are the issue”

            THen there would be no reason to ban them. See how logic works ?

            ” it’s the skeevy pervs who would pretend to be one.”

            So why not just ban them?

            “So what is wrong with a single stall unisex bathroom”

            Nothing. No one said there was, Straw man.

            “But no, that is just not good enough is it?”

            No one said that.

            “So the bizzare illogical response is to open up bathrooms to everyone”

            But they aren’t, they are trying to force women into a mens washroom because you men are pervs.

            Make sense yet ?

            “no matter if a woman feels uncomfortable with a man in what is supposed to be a women’s restroom”

            And that is really your premise. Though the government and medical establishment recognizes them as women you dont. Simply put you are nothing but a bigot. Change is hard with an ignorant population.

            Yes, it is a false completely narrative and you are endangering her life. By trying to force her into a mens washroom you are potting her in danger, intentionally. It’s pretty obvious you dont give a damn about her.

          • bannedbymotherjones

            Cry me a river. Your beliefs are not facts. YOU see it as hatred of transgender people because your liberal democrat masters want o you see it that way. Open your eyes, stop drinking the kool aid, and use your head for something other than a hat rack. Yes there are those narrow-minded people who hate transgender people – there are narrow minded people all over. Your predication is that anyone who supports the Men in the men’s room and women in the women’s room does so out of hate. THAT is the false narrative here. It’s pretty damned obvious you don’t care to hear anything else other than that false narrative as an excuse to go off on the “evil repubicans”.

            And BTW where my cousin and I live there was no law that was overturned in NC – she uses the WRR.

          • darliegoddess .

            The lawsuits say it pretty clearly. It has nothing to do with my beliefs.
            No, it is hatred of transgender people because it is hatred of transgender people.
            Take a look here , the comments “freaks” , “mentally ill ” sick in the head “. pretty much a recurring theme between intellectually limited people. I hear perfectly, now if you want to stop 90% of molestation you need to imprison parents but them you dont care about children. The things you are doing are causing violence against transgender people the same way you hurt Muslims, gays and blacks.

          • bannedbymotherjones

            You keep saying “you” like I’m the one saying all of the crap – go through my posts, my profile is open. I do not like Muslim extremists or the BLM people nor do I like the KKK or those WBC scumbags. Stop with the blame game it does not work with me.

          • darliegoddess .

            “I do not like , , , , extremists or the BLM people ”

            Racist. You think that grouping violent extremists with a black rights groups frees you from being a racist, it doesn’t.

          • bannedbymotherjones

            Oh yes, let’s now throw out the accusation of being a racist as well because I disapprove of a group who’s founding was predicated on a lie and that uses rioting, looting, violence, and intimidation as tactics. But wait I also mentioned the KKK – I must simply hate white people too!!!/sarcasm

            Yeah, that one is not going to work either sunshine. What’s the next accusation of yours I can debunk?

          • darliegoddess .

            An accusation leaves some room for doubt. There is no doubt here. We already know you are a bigot, we are simple learning your flavors. Oh you may disagree with the KKK on tactics but you are a racist.

            Google “diet racism”. Thats you.

          • bannedbymotherjones

            It is an accusation – you however have mind like a steel trap – closed shut. I find it utterly fascinating how you can sit there and call me a bigot because I disagree with you and Bruce and yet you have been the one hurling accusations left and right.

            I love how you call me racist – it show how utterly ignorant you really are child. I note you have not attempted to rebut my claims about BLM – why is that? Do you agree that it is predicated on a lie and their tactics are rioting, intimidation, and violence? And it’s funny how you make the claim that I hate the KKK’s tactics when I had not even addressed them.

            You say you are trying to learn my flavors – I already know yours. Closed minded, hates anyone who disagrees with you, throws accusations until you find one that you think sticks, definitely a liberal democrat, and I’m suspecting by the lies you continue to tell you are a Hillary fan.

            Now do go on child. Like I said my profile is open – find something racist in any of my comments. I’ll wait.

          • darliegoddess .

            Facts. You can pretend your racism ,misogyny and simple minded bigotry is in question. Yes, the Jews were so close minded about Hitler, if only they had realized what good he was doing. Spare me the mendacity.

          • bannedbymotherjones

            Yes, facts. Fact is you’ve accused me of racism, bigotry, and now misogyny – that’s a new one BTW – because you lack facts. Let me guess I’m now a misogynist because I dared to question your accusations because you are a woman. But do please drone on about the Jews and Hitler which have nothing to do with this at all. And nice try changing the goal posts – something else that does not work for you. Tell me something child – why do you lie so much?

          • darliegoddess .

            I am stating unequivocally you are a bigot.

          • bannedbymotherjones

            Pot meet kettle! You are a bigot and a liar.

          • bannedbymotherjones

            And one other question – you defend the rights of transgender people here so passionately and yet you also defend Muslim extremists with the same passion. Given that the Muslim’s religion forbids homosexuality and will stone to death or behead someone who is gay or transgender why is it not hypocritical for you to defend both with the same vigor?

          • darliegoddess .

            I state the facts. Muslim extremists??!! Is that what you call them when you retarded neanderthals go around beating up innocent peaceful Muslims? Any religion can forbid whatever it wants but it is limited to what they do, Don’t have an abortion, don’t love same sexs , don’t worship Allah but the line that it crosses over into other people’s lives that is where your rights end. So don’t be transgender but public facilities are for the public. Don’t like it go use your own washroom.

          • bannedbymotherjones

            Point by point:

            I state the facts.

            No, you state your opinion – an opinion formed by a lack of facts and a bit of brainwashing by your liberal democrat masters. For example you have yet to prove your accusations of racism, bigotry, or misogyny. As I’ve said my profile is open – every comment I’ve made on Disqus there for any and all to see. Find something that proves your accusations or stop with the lies.

            Muslim extremists??!! Is that what you call them when you retarded neanderthals go around beating up innocent peaceful Muslims?

            No child, what I mean by Muslim extremists are those who are beheading journalists, beheading Christians, violating women and children, stoning homosexuals, using suicide bombers, crashing planes into buildings, killing innocent people all in the name of their religion. Why support such people? And once again you attribute violent actions such as “…you retarded neanderthals go around beating up innocent peaceful Muslims?” to me as if I’m doing any of it. Another lie on your part. Why do you feel the need to constantly lie about someone or call them names? You seem to be very immature which is why I call you child – no rational minded adult acts this way.

            Any religion can forbid whatever it wants but it is limited to what they do, Don’t have an abortion, don’t love same sexs , don’t worship Allah but the line that it crosses over into other people’s lives that is where your rights end.

            Finally we agree on something – my rights end where someone else’s begins. As do yours. As does everyone else’s. Tell me something – if you are capable of considering this – what about the women and children who in your version of reality have to share a locker room in a gym with a man? Now keep in mind that while the shower stalls are generally private a locker room in a gym is a big open area with little privacy. What happens to their rights? What happens to their safe space?

            So don’t be transgender but public facilities are for the public. Don’t like it go use your own washroom.

            I have no plans to be transgender as I’m quite comfortable with the gender I am. And that’s the beauty of it – if I wasn’t I could change. You seem to keep missing that part in your quixotic quest to paint me as some sort of …how did you so very “eloquently” put it? Ah yes, “mouth breathing neanderthal who beats up innocent Muslims/gays/transgenders/black people/white people/whoever else your little mind can come up with” despite the facts. Another fun fact for you is that if there was a way for transgenders to use whichever RR they wanted to without some skeevy perv taking advantage of such a method law I’d be all for it. Which I’ve stated prior to your baseless accusations. But you missed that as well while you were frothing at the mouth sobbing in a rage because I dared to disagree with such a shallow and vapid person as yourself.

            So once again I ask how is it not hypocritical for you to defend Muslim extremists with the same vigor you do with defending transgenders despite Muslim extremists beheading and stoning homosexuals and transgenders?

          • darliegoddess .

            “your opinion”

            Well no. Science, the law, the government, the courts , the psychiatric and medical professions opinion. Anyone who reads what you write already knows you are a bigot.

            “Why support such people?”

            I haven’t supported any extremists. Bigots who are so simple minded they attack all Muslims are just as bad as ISIS.

          • bannedbymotherjones

            Ah you never fail to not disappoint. Yet another post chock full of lies from darliewhoisnogoddess

            your opinion

            Well no. Science,…

            Science tells us that a mammal with a penis is a male and that a mammal with a vagina is a female. With me so far?

            “…the law, the government, the courts , the psychiatric and medical professions opinion.

            Who all say the same thing – a mammal with a penis is a male and that a mammal with a vagina is a female. The wonderful thing about science today is that one can change their gender. Which again is not the point of the article or the law you are so passionately against.

            “Anyone who reads what you write already knows you are a bigot.”

            You keep on throwing that word around like it’s something you are not. Okay child let’s take a look at this word shall we? Bigot: noun a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion. So let’s see I’ve stated my opinion and you have been utterly intolerant of it The very definition of a bigot. I’ve tolerated your opinion even if I believe it is wrong. But do please go on about how I’m a bigot and you are somehow not.

            Why support such people?

            I haven’t supported any extremists. Bigots who are so simple minded they attack all Muslims are just as bad as ISIS.

            Yet another lie – how predictable. When did I attack all Muslims? Or any for that matter? Let’s see – my mention of any Muslims was referring to Muslim Extremists. YOU are the one who is accusing me of attacking Muslims when in fact I did not attack any Muslims. I cannot even call your blatant lie a nice try. In fact YOU are the one who initially brought up Muslims. Give it up child, I’ve caught you in several lies and a few outright contradictions.

            So yet again I ask how is it not hypocritical for you to defend Muslim extremists with the same vigor you do with defending transgenders despite Muslim extremists beheading and stoning homosexuals and transgenders? Try to actually answer the question this time.

          • darliegoddess .

            No, science tells us that both a penis and a clitorus are the same thing.

            “all babies, upon conception, have the exact same genital tissue. At about 12 weeks, each baby’s genitalia begin to differentiate into a penis or labia. So, in a sense, the clitoris and penis are the same materials put together in a different way. The clitoris has a glans, a foreskin (also known as the hood), erectile tissue and a teeny-tiny shaft. It even swells when it’s aroused! Good thing it’s mostly hidden—it saves the ladies from having to measure and compare with their friends … ”

            Never heard of a clitoral erection ?

            “Clitoral erection is a physiological phenomenon where the clitoris becomes enlarged and firm. Clitoral erection is the result of a complex interaction of psychological, neural, vascular and endocrine factors, and is usually, though not exclusively, associated with sexual arousal.”

            This was against the IRS in tax court claiming just what you were saying. O’Donnabhain v. Commissioner

            “The IRS argued that such surgery is cosmetic and not medically necessary. On Feb 2, 2010 the court ruled that O’Donnabhain should be allowed to deduct the costs of her treatment for gender-identity disorder, including sex-reassignment surgery and hormone treatments.In its decision, the court found the IRS position was “at best a superficial characterization of the circumstances” that is “thoroughly rebutted by the medical evidence”.

            Ooooo! Nice.

            “like it’s something you are not”

            Exactly. What am I supposed to be prejudice against raging a s s h o l e s now? Recognizing them is not hate.

          • bannedbymotherjones

            darlie says:

            What am I supposed to be prejudice against raging a s s h o l e s now? Recognizing them is not hate.

            Not hate? Really? What amuses me is how you can actually sit there behind your keyboard and go off on people who disagree with you, who see through your lies and you have the audacity to call them bigots like you are not one. You say they hate people and yet your hatred is exposed for all to see – hypocritical much darlie? Let’s look at a few examples of your not-hate shall we child?

            …you retarded neanderthals go around beating up innocent peaceful Muslims?

            We already know you are a bigot, we are simple learning your flavors. Oh you may disagree with the KKK on tactics but you are a racist.

            Google “diet racism”. Thats you.

            Only someone this ignorant could think it was a checkmate.

            Stop being a simpleton.

            My parents did terrifically. Yours, the abortion sadly did not take.

            Shall I go on darlie? There is more on this one forum. I suspect if I actually cared enough to actually look I’d find more on your profile – if you haven’t made it private like the rest of the liberal democrat cowards who tend to sling their insults and run when confronted with verifiable facts. I note you have yet to address my question about your hypocrisy in supporting both LGBT and Muslim Extremists. Nor have you addressed my question about the predication of the formation of BLM over a lie and their tactics of intimidation and violence. Afraid to be caught in yet another lie?

            And BTW yes clitoral erection is a thing but a clitoris and a penis are not the same. So your pseudoscience does not hold water. Clearly, despite your claims, you do NOT know all of the facts. What you do is present your opinions as facts and rage against anyone who dares to question your lies darlie – just like a good liberal democrat bigot.

          • darliegoddess .

            You even saying the words “blatant lie” breaks me up you racist nutcase.

          • bannedbymotherjones

            Those who have to sling insults lack a leg to stand on. Whatever darlie

          • Robert W Ryder

            Lol, noooo!!!##! Just people like youuuuu!!!!#!##!#!! 🙂 😉

          • Robert W Ryder

            Yeah, because they are into devious activities!!!!#! 🙂 😉 They endanger themselves and other people!!!!#! Most live very deviant lives!!!!#! 🙁

          • Robert W Ryder

            Lol, there it is!!! More proof they haven’t much substance’!!!!! Just mostly name calling when frustrated!!!!#! 🙂 😉

          • Brian

            At least you know you are an a s s h a t!

          • docbob

            I find it amusing that someone like you, who claims to be intelligent and logical, actually makes a statement like this one. I don’t care that you mix your singular and plural. Technicality. I learned long time ago to avoid use of the word “always.” Look into that. Makes me not want to take you seriously.

          • bannedbymotherjones

            So why is it when a liberal democrat engages in a conversation with someone who does not agree with them they are always the first one to hurl insults?

          • docbob

            Perhaps I could have simply pointed out to you that your implication that “liberal democrats” are “always” the first one to hurl insults is, in my experience (rather different from “my opinion), having read and participated in numerous blogs/threads, etc. quite inaccurate. On the other hand, I must say, that having been “cut off” on one blog with a decidedly Liberal agenda, for expressing a dissenting interpretation of a “news event” I can see what you mean. I’m sure that my experiences on the more Liberal forums with respect to reaction to my comments has been based on my general support for the “party line.” Nonetheless, I have seen a great many anti-Liberal posters initiating comments and name calling. “Always” and “never” are words to be used with some caution, as an exercise in intellectual honesty.

          • bannedbymotherjones

            So why is it that liberal democrats always start with the insults when they are in a conversation with someone with disagrees with them? If you cannot answer the question then please do not bother to respond.

          • docbob

            You seem to be intentionally misunderstanding my comments. If that insults you, then go away with that. I do not answer questions when I disagree with their basic premise. If you find it insulting that I do not accept the basic premise of your question, that is a problem you must deal with. You behave here as if you are a lawyer trying a case and interrogating a witness, insisting that your question be answered even though someone has just pointed out to you that you have asked an improper question. It is one thing to debate, and debate vigorously, it is quite another thing to either not understand the ground rules of intelligent debate or refuse to follow them. Right now it seems that you either don’t read with comprehension or you simply choose to hold on to what you see as a discussion starting point, mistakenly not understanding there is a flaw in your opening argument. Does this degree of explanation offend you? I know it can be embarrassing to have to admit to a mistake in phrasing, but look at your premise. It’s wrong. Not an insult to say so. Just an observation.

          • bannedbymotherjones

            If my posts offend you then why bother to respond to them? And you keep dancing around the question I asked. If you’d rather have it rephrased fine – why is it that liberal democrats usually begin slinging insults with those who disagree with them?

          • docbob

            You don’t offend yet. I would say your posts are annoying but at least in response to me have not been offensive. As for your responses to others, I can’t say. Just as i can’t answer you as to why certain people..regardless of political point of view…”usually” sling insults at those who disagree with them. How would I know the answer to that? I’d have to interview each individual and inquire as to their motivation. I could hazard a guess that anyone who reads carefully might find the way you phrase your questions annoying, which in turn might prompt either actual insults or perceived (by you) insults. I’m not sure if that answers your question. It’s just a guess.

          • Brian

            You know jack, dip and nothing. One, it’s not unconstitutional in any way shape or form. Two, it does not matter WHEN it was enacted. His contract was not based upon that law or any other and his performance had nothing to do.

            His contract is literally, “You agree to perform here, sing at least x songs.” There is nothing in his contract that says he must agree with social and political policies.

            Go troll elsewhere.

          • theghostwriter

            No, you moron, it doesn’t.

          • mmmm7777

            Sorry to cause you so much frustration…. relax

          • theghostwriter

            Oh, I’m not frustrated in the least. Amused? Sure. A little disgusted by how stupid you are? Absolutely. But frustrated? Not at all.

          • mmmm7777

            Fine… sorry I have not meet your expectations.. end of conversation…

          • bannedbymotherjones

            Why is it some of you liberal democrats seem to always start with the insults? Seriously all it does is make you look uneducated, angry and defensive. Personally I believe that Bruce wrongfully cancelled his appearance over moral outrage. Perhaps a far better way to show his convictions would have been to keep the concert date then publicly announce that his plan is to use the proceeds from the concert to donate to a group that want the law in place – that way those who have paid and agree with him can go to the concert, those who do not agree can get refunds and go on their way. I make no bones about disagreeing with the law and I feel that Bruce’s response was less than classy and screwed over everyone who bought tickets to his show.

          • FromWhereIAm

            I love your disqus name! I’ve been banned from a few sites. Never use insults, never use profanity. Genuinely care. Am fairly articulate. Just have opinions not welcome by some moderators. Still banned, while those who violate all of the above get passed through. So to be banned by some sites is really a badge of honor these days!

          • bannedbymotherjones

            Thanks! I admit I’ve hurled my share of insults but usually after some has slung more than a few at me. I was banned from Mother Jones due to one of their chronic whiners being offended when I presented him with facts and did not descend to his level. I created this login because he then claimed I “ran away” when he had flagged every single comment I made.

          • DonB

            Liberal Dems ALWAYS resort to name calling. Or the race card. Or the bigotry card. Or the homophobe card. They are perpetually offended and miserable human beings. And they always use these tactics when the tables are turned on them (as with this case) because they seldom if ever have a moral leg to stand on. They are cry babies and whiners and they disgust me.

          • Robert W Ryder

            Yepppp!!!!#! Right onnn!!!!!#! 🙂

          • theghostwriter

            too funny! Conservatives are CONSTANTLY offended by everything that isn’t straight, white, and “Christian”. That’s why we’re having this conversation in the first place.

          • DonB

            Yeah, right. Conservatives are the ones who get “offended”.
            Gawd, you people live more and more in a fantasy world, don’t you. You continue to prove the point that liberalism is indeed a mental disorder.

          • theghostwriter

            You’re offended by black people, you;re offended by Mexicans, you’re offended by gay people, you’re offended by Muslims, you’re offended by transgender people; basically, you’re offended by everything and everyone that isn’t white, straight, and “Christian”

          • Robert W Ryder

            There you goooo, frustrated again!!!#!#!!! 🙂 🙂 🙂 Another demonic rant against Christians and conservatives!!#!!! You are an antichrist and Satan’s spawn!!!!#! You continually bash and have a hate for Christians!!!#!! You need to see doctor Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth about you frustrations!!!!#!, instead of being a hater!!!!#! I find demonic peeps to be the most intolerant!!!#!! 🙁

          • theghostwriter

            Take your meds, hon

          • Robert W Ryder

            I have to, to put up with troll abortions like you!!!!#! 🙁

          • Lisa Chantel Hill Wade

            What bullcrap.

          • Robert W Ryder

            You are always slamming conservatives and Christians!!##! You are a habitual liar about Christians and conservatives!!!#! Nobody is bashed more than Christians!!!#! Especially by demons like yourself!!!!!#! They hate what is right!!!##! Just because we don’t care for certain lifestyles, people that are demonic usually hate us!!!!#! Especially satanic ones like yourself!!!!#! It’s ok!!!#! We are patient!!!##! The battle belongs to the Lord!!!!!#! He will make the paths straight and bring justice!!!#! What is hidden will be exposed!!!!#! Liars will be brought to justice!!!!#! We are not afraid!!!!#!!! 🙂 🙂 🙂

          • theghostwriter

            Yes, I’m the one who’s “frustrated.” LOL.

            p.s.- since Jesus didn’t have the hear to tell you, let me clue you in on a little secret: upvoting your own posts is the single lamest thing you could ever do on the Internet.

          • Robert W Ryder

            Really!!!#!, I thought being a duck like you was!!!!#! 🙂 ; )

          • Robert W Ryder

            Ps, is that an aids cough!!##!!!! 😉

          • docbob

            ah..well see, here you have an example of what you are talking about, and you qualified “liberal democrats” with the word “some.” Of course, the same is true of some conservative Republicans I hope you will agree. And I do agree that two of these posters opened with insults. My position on this issue (the bathroom issue, not the insults issue) is that it is very complex, and i can easily see both sides. And I wish I was smart enough to see a solution that both sides would be comfortable with…but I’m not.

          • bannedbymotherjones

            I can agree that some people who seem to be extreme conservative republican will start with the insults as well – SJWs of another stripe or perhaps those who have gotten tired of being attacked by said SJWs. From my own experiences such behavior seems to originate more with those who lean left than those who lean right.

            I’m with you on the bathroom issue – it is complex and I’d love to see a solution that allows the transgenders to be safe and comfy and does not allow someone to claim being a transgender to slip in and get their jollies. I also admit I’m not smart enough to come up with such. For now I’d prefer to err on the side of caution and – as thin protection as it may be – stick with the way things have been. I’m not sure if there are more instances of people being filmed in bathrooms or if there seems to be more due to this being such a hot button issue but these instances highlight the concerns I have that skeevy pervs will use this issue as some sort of “permission” to go where they were not allowed to go before.

          • cardlink62

            Republican this, Democrat that, Fox News, CNN, NBC, CBS, ABC, 1-2-3, Do-Ra-Me, L-M-N-O-P. They’re all working for the Special Interest Groups, Corporate Donors, Themselves and everyone else they sold there souls too except us. When’s the last time anyone’s even seen their Senator or Congressmen or even had a town meeting? Most people, especially those under 30, probably don’t even know who their elected officials are. Those guys in Washington work together everyday, some for many years. They scratch each others backs, play pocket pool, go to their Skull and Bones and Masonic Lodge initiations, AA and NA groups and when it’s cold they play circle jerk reach around in the Oval Office. I swear they do. Point is those guys work together, play together, probably bicker with each other together just enough to keep up airs to throw us off so we think they’re “making progress”. Bottom line, it doesn’t matter what we, think, what we want or who we vote for. The all work together to put out just enough accurate information to appear legit, enough fabricated propaganda bullshit to spin, confuse and piss everyone off because they know most people in this country don’t have a clue about how politics, politicians and big Government works. I don’t mean this to offend anyone because this include me too but most are ignorant and hang on every sound bite they hear and believe everything they see and are totally convinced they know what’s going on and know all the answers and think their the only one who has the answers and everyone else is oblivious. I’m here to tell you those guys milking our coiffures dry and feeding us the are playing us for fools. We the People ended when they established the Electoral College. That’s when the American citizen became We the Sheeple. When the majority of citizens overwhelmingly vote for a candidate and that candidates party blatantly attempt to disenfranchise and undermine the will of the people and by not giving to the will of the people we are at a juncture where we must look at the facts and realize and accept the fact our elected representatives have abandoned their obligations and are guilty of treason. For the past 10 year theyve a rogue, tyranicle Present to

          • Robert W Ryder

            Nice post!!!!#! 🙂

          • Robert W Ryder

            Right on my friend!!!!! 🙂

          • Robert W Ryder

            Lol, look who’s stupid now!!!!#! 🙂

          • Robert W Ryder

            No, your obviously frustrated!!!#! Your repetitious posts and anger at conservatives!!!#! And saying false things about them!!!#! You sir are obsessed with conservatives!!!##!! And very frustrated!##!##!#!!! 🙂 😉

      • h m rowland

        He is choosing to say “get thee behind me Satan!”. Bruce is standing up for compassion and Christian love…”your neighbors as yourselves .” He has chosen not to share creativity and freedom in the valley of stagnation and separation when there truly is none, we are all of one body no matter how you want to twist your religion to fit ugliness… truth is not lost. The new world of Reverse Christ- ianity. Peace.

        • Robert W Ryder

          Lol, the peeps going to his concerts aren’t even Christians prob!!!! What do they have to do with what the gov did!!!#!##!##!##!!!????#! You gonna fk them for what someone else did!!!!#! That’s why this is stupid sht!!!!!!!#! 🙁

        • Robert W Ryder

          What he did wasn’t very Christian like, if he is!!!! Demons won this one!!##!#!! Satan stole the day!!!!!#! Good thing he sucks anyway!!!!!#! I think he lacked tickets!!!!##! His way out!!!!!#! 😉

          • h m rowland

            He stood against discrimination toward fellow human beings, that compassion of the heart didn’t come from the spirit of your satan. When did your Christ ever turn away ? The ‘money changers’, the rich Trumpsters, the corporations (the church at the time) who enslave the common man. Treating our neighbor with other than love is not a Christian virtue.

      • theghostwriter

        You’re not very bright, are you?

        • mmmm7777

          No, I am not…. Sorry!… Any other intelligent point from your part you want to talk about?

          • theghostwriter

            Let me spell it out for you: you are comparing things that are not the same, and claiming they are the same. Bruce doesn’t like what’s happening in NC, and he decided he doesn’t want to do business there. If a photographer or a bakery doesn’t like what’s happening in NC (like being legally obligated to serve everyone) then they also don’t have to do business there. See how simple that is?

          • theghostwriter

            Now, if Bruce had announced that he was going to play in NC, but would refuse to let “Christians” attend his show, then THAT would be the same thing. But that’s not what’s happening, is it?

          • mmmm7777

            Ok, you are right… end of conversation…

          • EmmaD.2015

            You’re right. Gays are not refused service. They can go into any Christian bakery and get a birthday cake, cupcakes, a just because cake…etc.. What a person does in the privacy of their home is their business and most business owners don’t even want to know what you’re doing. Gays have only been refused **wedding cakes** because of all that entails in providing a wedding cake. The Christian baker does not want to partake, in any way, in a gay marriage. Have you gotten married? Did you have a wedding cake? Did someone deliver it to *your wedding*? Did someone stand there and serve that cake *at your wedding*? That is what a baker does when providing a wedding cake. They have to actually BE THERE at the wedding. They refuse the wedding cake because they don’t want to participate in an event that goes against their beliefs. They wouldn’t provide cake for a satanic service, either.
            Not only that, “gay” isn’t a RELIGION. So no, BS doesn’t have to refuse Christians only. He only has to refuse to serve those who are doing something that goes against his personal beliefs. (By the way Christians are not the only people who do/will refuse to do a gay wedding cake.)

          • theghostwriter

            If bakers don’t like the laws requiring all people to be treated the same when doing business in public, then they don’t have to to business in North Carolina. Bruce didn’t like the law in North Carolina so he decided not to do business there. That’s how life works. You can’t do business with some people and not do business with others.

          • EmmaD.2015

            Obviously you didn’t read my post. Besides, what happened to “I reserve the right to refuse service to anyone.”? Bakers have right’s too. I’m 99% positive you would never expect a gay baker to bake a cake for an anti-gay rally. Or a pro-traditional family gathering. You don’t expect Muslims to bake gay wedding cakes. Based on your comments you seem to be a hateful person who discriminates only against Christians…. Which would make you a BIGOT.

          • theghostwriter

            I expect them to make gay wedding cakes if they want to do business in a public forum. Man, you really are dense.

          • EmmaD.2015

            I DON’T discriminate against gays, so stop projecting YOUR feelings onto me. I simply don’t believe they should have *special* treatment. You claim to expect Muslims to follow the same laws, but it’s funny you didn’t use THEM in your examples. It’s also clear that gays discriminate against Christians. They purposely seek out Christian bakeries to force them to go against their values–and in my opinion they do it in hopes of being denied so they can sue for a big wad of money. Where in the country, or even the world, do you hear about gays suing Muslims for not baking them wedding cakes?
            But that’s all beside the point; As I said, gays are not refused SERVICE in Christian bakeries.

          • Robert W Ryder

            Yeah, but they don’t and they didn’t!!##!! 🙂 😉

          • Robert W Ryder

            You got that right!!!!#!!#!!! 🙁

          • Thayer David

            It’s even simpler to try living a normal lifestyle and not troll FOX News under hundreds of accounts. You need to get help!

          • theghostwriter

            Wtf are you babbling about?

          • Take your Aids meds and your comprehension level should improve enough for you to understand my point.

          • Robert W Ryder

            He had a contract and gave no legitimate reason for backing out!!!#! And did discriminated because he felt someone else discriminated!!!!##! Women have a god givin right to privacy!!!!#!#!! 🙁

          • theghostwriter

            Let me ask you a question: let’s say that Bruce Springsteen decided to play his concert in North Carolina, but he said that only LGBT people could come to the show, but not straight people. Would that be okay? If not, why not?

          • Robert W Ryder

            I wouldn’t give a fk!!! But that’s not the case!!! So how is that relevant!!!???? That was weird!!!!#! 🙁

      • You might be somewhat confused but that’s ok. Not sure if you posted this just to be funny but its strange twist on reality. When using the word bigot, you may want to understand that Bruce Springsteen could not be a bigot against a state full of many races and types of people. Bigot is not the word to use here.

    • Linda

      He’s not refusing service to anyone. You can go to any of his concerts.

      • mmmm7777

        he specifically denied service to the people of NC being the reason his stance against a legally approved law. In fact, nothing changed in between the day he decided to do the concert in NC and the date he cancelled. Lawa where the same.. This is plain bigotry against the people of NC… Same as denying a cake to a gay couple…He does concerts, and he denied a concert…

        • Linda

          No, it’s not. Think of it as a person being forced to open bakery. You can’t force someone offer a service, but if they do offer a service they can’t discriminate on who uses the service they offer.

          Springsteen chose not to offer his service to those in NC. Had he chosen to perform, he couldn’t discriminate on who could come to his concert, i.e., who was served.

          Get it?

          • mmmm7777

            Well, he offered the service and he cancel 48 hours prior to the
            concert. Tickets were sold and worst yet, he antagonized and punished
            his NC fans with this action ((He had the bakery opened!)). He could have done the concert and use his
            platform to give his points of view, etc. He chose to cancel and “deny
            Service”.. but I think our discussion goes beyond this point. Basically
            you think this law is discriminatory vs LGBT and it is not. This law is
            about men posing as a transgender people, going inside a female bathroom
            and take pictures of little girls to sell them in the internet..It is
            to protect women from sexual predators (no LGBT people) and if we can’t
            agree on this, we can’t agree on nothing else. This means you will
            defend your point beyond any good intellectual reason. No worries…. Wish you the best….

          • Linda

            This law is NOT about men posing as trans. Men who pose as transgender are already doing so, and this law won’t stop them. This law is about more than discrimination toward LGBT; if you read it, you will be very surprised and I hope upset.

          • mburch

            how many more protected classes do we need? Facebook has 56 gender identities. Sexual preference should not become a protected class. Do your job or get fired. If your boss/company don’t like you, take your skills elsewhere. It’s pretty easy.

          • Thayer David

            Just call the homosexuals..

          • Tom Moran

            People with mental illnesses often lose their rights.

          • Steen Goddik

            And transgender are not mentally ill

          • Tom Moran

            Ha!

          • Tom Moran

            But those with anorexia/bulimia or body dystopia are mentally ill?

          • Steen Goddik

            Yes. You should learn the difference before trying to make claims.

          • Steen Goddik

            Not what the law is about. It doesn’t even address what you are claiming, so that was a big fat lie. It is solely about bigotry.

          • sandflea

            I’m going to have to agree with mmmm7777. Springsteen DID offer a service and sold 15,000 tickets before he made the decision to back out, so according to your argument, he did indeed discriminate.

          • Linda

            I umderstand your point; however, on the tickets that were sold there should be a disclaimer stating the artist “reserves the right to cancel.” Also, if a bakery decides it doesn’t want to follow the law it can close, as long as it gives refunds to those who have paid for a service.

          • sandflea

            Agreed.

          • bannedbymotherjones

            The bakery DID give a refund and yet was still sued into oblivion.

          • Rhonda

            Because what they did was cruel and caused a lot of emotional pain for the 2 women. How would you feel if someone refused you service for whatever reason?

          • bannedbymotherjones

            Never mind the fact that they immediately went to another baker and got the cake they wanted for their ceremony. But do please go on about how they were hurt over someone who was attempting to exercise their freedom of religion by not being at a ceremony that goes against it.

          • Dean Bruckner

            Liberals do what feels right, not what IS right. That is the problem right there.

          • Rhonda

            Remember when you, you very same people would deny services to a person because they were black. Or make them sit in the back, segregate them and treat them as “less than” because of their skin color. You fought for that “right” tooth and nail and it took an act of Congress to get you to stop doing it. You had nasty things to say about us liberals, (compassionate people) then too.

          • Dean Bruckner

            Rhonda,

            My reply was not posted, but here it is again. You wrote, “Remember when you, you very same people would deny services to a person because they were black. Or make them sit in the back, segregate them and treat them as “less than” because of their skin color. You fought for that “right” tooth and nail and it took an act of Congress to get you to stop doing it. You had nasty things to say about us liberals, (compassionate people) then too.”

            I’m not sure whether “you very same people” means conservatives (i.e., Republicans) or Christians, so I’ll reply to both.

            First, you seem to claim that liberals have been the champions of civil rights throughout our history, and conservatives have been the enemy of civil rights. That is just not so. Since Democrats and liberals have become the same people, let’s review exactly what the Democratic Party has done.

            It was Democrats who were the party of slavery, segregation, and jim crow, and are returning to segregation under the “safe space” Marxism of college campuses. It was the Democrats that created the KKK in response to Republicans sponsoring the election of hundreds of black state senators and legislators after the civil war. After the Democrats had their way, the black representation in legislatures all but vanished. And it is Democrats that are the party of abortion, euthanasia, unrestrained s#x with only the purposes of pleasure and power. It is they who are the party of cultural Marxism and silencing of speech being forced on us all. Democrats and so-called liberals. Not me, and not my parents, and not my grandparents. Republicans passed the Civil Rights Act, not Democrats, who voted against it.

            But you are right about one thing. If what you say applies to Christians, it does contain too much truth for comfort. Many religious people, even many Christians, followed the depraved culture in slavery and segregation. They didn’t follow Jesus’ teachings, and that was a shameful thing to all who follow Christ.

            So, do you know what Jesus’ teachings are on marriage? Do you?

            Jesus is the one who said, “From the beginning, the Creator made them male and female. And for this reason, a man will leave his father and mother, and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh. What God has joined together, therefore, let no human separate.” That would have been the perfect time to expand the definition of marriage, but he didn’t, because he couldn’t. He is about bringing back the original harmony and design of the Creator and his loving plan for us, not about breaking it further.

            Slavers and segregationists followed the depraved culture of their day, instead of the teachings of Jesus. Will you do the same by trying to force the toxic results of the s#xual revolution into law across the land?

          • Rhonda

            The Democratic and Republican parties switched platforms after the civil war. That is obvious but here is a quite from “Live Science” in an article titled “Why Did the Democratic and Republican Parties Switch Platforms?”

            “sometime between the 1860s and 1936, the (Democratic) party of small government became the party of big government, and the (Republican) party of big government became rhetorically committed to curbing federal power. How did this switch happen?……………
            ………. pins the transition to the turn of the 20th century, when a highly influential Democrat named William Jennings Bryan blurred party lines by emphasizing the government’s role in ensuring social justice through expansions of federal power ……………………..
            Republicans didn’t immediately adopt the opposite position of favoring limited government. “Instead, for a couple of decades, both parties are promising an augmented federal government devoted in various ways to the cause of social justice,” ………………………..Only gradually did Republican rhetoric drift to the counterarguments. The party’s small-government platform cemented in the 1930s with its heated opposition to the New Deal.”

          • Dean Bruckner

            Really? Live Science as a historical and political resource? Please!

            We’re not talking about small government vs. large government; we’re talking about moral world view, disaster and death.

            Since the days of Jefferson, continuing to McClellan and on to the Progressives of the 20th Century, the Democratic Party has embraced secularism and a vision of perfectible humanity through government leadership. That moral world view, expanded and demonstrated convincingly in our inner cities and in the communist killing fields of Europe and Asia, claimed more than 100 murdered human lives in pursuit of the Progressive utopia. And the Democratic Party’s world view has remained the moral pariah that it is today.

            I was listening yesterday to David McCullough’s biography of John Adams yesterday, and the book quotes verbatim some letters from Thomas Jefferson from 1798 – 1802. I thought I was listening to John Kerry. Though France was kidnapping our sailors and seizing our ships, John Adams still worked hard for peace but also wanted to prepare for war. Jefferson wrote that building up our navy would be the surest way to war, preferring our weak defense. John Adams was hard against slavery and viewed the French Revolution with great skepticism; he commented that he did not know what to think of a republic of 30 million atheists. Jefferson, meanwhile, talked about freedom but kept his hundreds of slaves and used them as “slaves with benefits,” at least Sally Hemings. Jefferson was an extreme Francophile, and apparently their moral turpitude passed into the Democratic Party of the U.S.

            The same moral world view of John Adams has continued down to the Republicans, and the same moral world view of Thomas Jefferson has continued down to the Democrats.

            Sorry, Live Science’s obfuscation of the plain record won’t wash, and the Democratic Party’s active and committed sponsorship of slavery, segregation, jim crow, abortion, euthanasia and the toxic sexual revolution cannot be airbrushed from history.

          • Rhonda

            There are thousands of web pages that explain what happened. I didn’t even need to go to one but I did to get the dates and times and such. Would you want Abraham Lincoln in your party today? He had to deal with all the crazy “confederate” governors sending in secession letters and every single one of them was because they wanted to keep their slaves. Do you support the confederacy?

          • Dean Bruckner

            Of course I don’t support the confederacy. Do you support the Supreme Court treating the Constitution like toilet paper?

          • Rhonda

            And I’m guessing you do not really know ‘Live Science”. It is a good source of information, especially for its science articles. Maybe that is why you don’t know of it. Big news agencies use it to get their own new. Like Fox, MSNBC and CNN

          • Dean Bruckner

            Thanks for your reply, but you’ve guessed wrong. I’ve read livescience from time to time, and you might find some of my comments there too.

            I find it a shrill advocate of Scientism, especially the glaring scientific errors of the neo-Darwinian synthesis and the fraud of catastrophic anthropogenic global warming. I have a Ph.D in Electrical Engineering, and I teach statistics, so I know data and signal processing, and can recognize academic misconduct and groupthink when I seen it.

            Best regards, Dean

          • Dean Bruckner

            My reply was not posted, but here it is again. You wrote, “Remember when you, you very same people would deny services to a person because they were black. Or make them sit in the back, segregate them and treat them as “less than” because of their skin color. You fought for that “right” tooth and nail and it took an act of Congress to get you to stop doing it. You had nasty things to say about us liberals, (compassionate people) then too.”

            I’m not sure whether “you very same people” means conservatives (i.e., Republicans) or Christians, so I’ll reply to both.

            First, you seem to claim that liberals have been the champions of civil rights throughout our history, and conservatives have been the enemy of civil rights. That is just not so. Since Democrats and liberals have become the same people, let’s review exactly what the Democratic Party has done.

            It was Democrats who were the party of slavery, segregation, and jim crow, and are returning to segregation under the “safe space” Marxism of college campuses. It was the Democrats that created the KKK in response to Republicans sponsoring the election of hundreds of black state senators and legislators after the civil war. After the Democrats had their way, the black representation in legislatures all but vanished. And it is Democrats that are the party of abortion, euthanasia, unrestrained s#x with only the purposes of pleasure and power. It is they who are the party of cultural Marxism and silencing of speech being forced on us all. Democrats and so-called liberals. Not me, and not my parents, and not my grandparents. Republicans passed the Civil Rights Act, not Democrats, who voted against it.

            But you are right about one thing. If what you say applies to Christians, it does contain too much truth for comfort. Many religious people, even many Christians, followed the depraved culture in slavery and segregation. They didn’t follow Jesus’ teachings, and that was a shameful thing to all who follow Christ.

            So, do you know what Jesus’ teachings are on marriage? Do you?

            Jesus is the one who said, “From the beginning, the Creator made them male and female. And for this reason, a man will leave his father and mother, and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh. What God has joined together, therefore, let no human separate.” That would have been the perfect time to expand the definition of marriage, but he didn’t, because he couldn’t. He is about bringing back the original harmony and design of the Creator and his loving plan for us, not about breaking it further.

            Slavers and segregationists followed the depraved culture of their day, instead of the teachings of Jesus. Will you do the same by trying to force the toxic results of the s#xual revolution into law across the land?

          • mmmm7777

            Rhonda, check your facts. You talk as if Republicans or Christians were the ones causing all these troubles. KKK founded by democrats, Martin Luther King was a Black Christian (now beloved by democrats) and was backed by Christians of all sorts of backgrounds…
            It was white people who started the civil war in favor of eliminating slavery (many of them Christians), etc.. When you say, you very same people, It is an unnecessary or unfunded generalization. Accordingly to different analysis there is 1 transgender person in every 2500 people (This is the data from a pro Trasgender analysis). There are other reports that say there is 1 in every 30,000 men and 1 in every 100,000 woman. I think it is valid to say that we should also look into the rights of the vast majority of people that do not want a person with a penis showering with their little daughters in the same bathroom. Why would that be discrimination or bigotry, more than something that just makes sense. Not even a moral issue.

          • mmmm7777

            Many people going to the concert are really angry and distressed. Some paid air tickets, hotel accommodations, had to drive long hours, ask for working days, etc. in order to go to the concert… Should they get an award of $100,000 for their emotional distress on top of getting reimbursement for the expenses?

          • Rhonda

            I do not think you understand the difference. Gay people experience discrimination, bullying and all sorts of hate. To tell these women in essence, “we don’t like you and so we are going to shun you by not baking you a cake” is really hurtful. I’ve experienced this and other types of bigotry and trust me, it can cut to the quick. Nothing compared to not being able to go to a certain music concert. And if you remember that Bruce is trying to stand up for the transgendered who I’m sure he knows have a horrible time of it in this country you can look at it as not a political maneuver but one like someone running over to a person who is being assaulted and trying to stop the assault for them because it really hurts seeing someone suffer like that.

          • Dean Bruckner

            Hard cases make bad law. In the case of the Charlotte bathroom ordinance (which passed only by a 7-6 vote), extremely bad law. Fortunately, it never saw the light of day.
            Liberals do what feels right, instead of what IS right. Throwing tens of thousands of Charlotte girls, and scores of millions of girls nationwide, under the bus by letting adult males unescorted into their bathrooms and shower rooms is not the solution. What about their feelings? What about their safety?
            No one wants you to feel bad, but when you make your feeling good dependent on trashing the privacy and endangering the safety of scores of millions of girls nationwide, your solution is revealed to be profoundly selfish. I don’t say that to hurt you, but the truth needs to be spoken.
            Why didn’t Charlotte give tax incentives to businesses to create “all gender” stall restrooms, something I could tolerate and agree to? Because that common-sense solution would still leave the traditional moral view intact. That is what the real target is, and what the Left feels it must crush at all costs, because it reminds them of something their conscience is already telling them.

          • Dean Bruckner

            Reposted and revised (browser is acting up):
            Hard cases make bad law. In the case of the Charlotte bathroom ordinance, which passed only 7-6, extremely bad law. Fortunately, it never saw the light of day.
            Liberals do what feels right, not what IS right. Throwing tens of thousands of Charlotte girls, and scores of millions of girls nationwide, under the bus by permitting adult males into their bathrooms and shower rooms is not the solution. What about their feelings? What about their safety?
            No one wants you to feel bad, but when you make your feeling good dependent on trashing the privacy and endangering the safety of scores of millions of girls nationwide, your solution is revealed to be profoundly selfish. I don’t say that to hurt you, but the truth needs to be spoken. You are a person of immeasurable value, of greater worth than the whole earth. But authority is not given to you (or me) to tilt the moral axis of the universe. That is the job of Someone Else, and that job is already filled.
            Why didn’t Charlotte give tax incentives to businesses to create “all gender” single stall restrooms, something I could tolerate and agree to? Because that common-sense solution would still leave he traditional moral view intact. That is what the real target is, and what the Left feels it must crush at all costs, because it reminds them of something their conscience is already telling them.
            The same is true of Christian cake bakers. Why can’t gay people realize that to live and let live, they can accept that some people will be conscientious objectors to so-called gay marriage, and let someone else bake the cake? Do we jail and ruinously fine those who are conscientious objectors to serving in the Armed Forces? No, of course not.
            So why do we do that to people of faith, like the Kleins in Oregon? Why does the corrupt and vicious administrative judge Brad Avakian collude in secret with LGBT groups about rehabilitating (their actual word) the Kleins, and then try to cover up that collusion in violation of state law? Why does he raid the Kleins’ bank accounts in the dark of night and take $135,000 from them and their four children? What about their feelings? Their futures? Their successes?
            There is a way to find a common-sense solution, but as long as the LGBT community feels it must destroy everyone who disagrees with it, that cannot happen. Why can’t you just live and let live?

          • Dean Bruckner

            Hard cases make bad law. In the case of the Charlotte bathroom ordinance (which passed only by a
            7-6 vote), extremely bad law. Fortunately, it never saw the light of day.

            Liberals do what feels right, instead of what IS right. Throwing tens of thousands of Charlotte girls, and scores of millions of girls nationwide, under the bus by letting adult males unescorted into their bathrooms and shower rooms is not the solution. What about their feelings? What about their safety?

            No one wants you to feel bad, but when you make your feeling good dependent on trashing the privacy and endangering the safety of scores of millions of girls nationwide, your solution is revealed to be profoundly selfish. I don’t say that to hurt you, but the truth needs to be spoken. You are a person of immeasurable value, of greater worth than the whole earth, but authority is not given to you (or me) to tilt the moral axis of the universe. That is Someone Else’s job, and it’s already filled.

            Why didn’t Charlotte give tax incentives to businesses to create “all gender” single stall restrooms, something I could tolerate and agree to? Because that common-sense solution would still leave the traditional moral view intact. That is what the real target is, and what the Left feels it must crush at all costs, because it reminds them of something their conscience is already telling them.

            The same is true of the cake bakers…why can’t gay people realize that to live and let live, they can accept that some people will be conscientious objectors to so-called gay marriage, and let someone else do the job? Do we jail and ruinously fine those who are conscientious objectors to serving in the Armed Forces? No, of course not.

            So why do we do that to people of faith, like the Kleins in Oregon? Why does the corrupt and vicious administrative judge Brad Avakian collude in secret with LGBT groups about reeducating the Kleins, and then try to cover up that collusion in violation of state law? Why does he raid the Kleins’ bank accounts in the dark of night and take $135,000 from them and their four children? What about their feelings? Their futures? Their successes?

            There is a way to find a common sense solution, but as long as the LGBT community feels it must destroy everyone who disagrees with it, that cannot happen. Why can’t you just live and let live?

          • Rhonda

            So far I have read of TWO (2) cases where a man dressed as a woman to be vile with women. Yet an astounding 75% of all the hate crimes committed in this country were against Transgendered women of color. The transgender community experiences the highest rates of hate violence, including rape and murder than any other group. And these figures include young children. Watch “Raising a transgendered child” on Youtube for a lot of real information from the children and the families going through this. Especially the fear the parents feel at the thought of their child being victimized. (And it is NOT something you can cure with anti-psychotic medication!!)

          • Rhonda

            Look Jesus said to love your brother as yourself. No addendum, no exceptions. That statement stands on it’s own. If you want to be like Jesus then listen to Him and do as He says. Otherwise you are just a hypocrite.

          • Steen Goddik

            Of course. It settled with the city. But the affected persons sued for pain and suffering. You see, violating laws carry an occupational hazard of the legal system getting involved.

          • bannedbymotherjones

            False pain and suffering – they immediately went to another baker and got a cake for their ceremony. Sorry the whole thing was a witch hunt.

          • Steen Goddik

            It was a business violating their business license. And of course the couple should go to another baker. The first baker still violated the law and should get sued. Damn bigots.

          • bannedbymotherjones

            You are the bigot Steen. Did it really take you 2 days in your safe space to come up with this lame post? Next time spend at least a week in there snowflake.

          • Steen Goddik

            Ah, you mean work. Yes, you should try it some day.

          • bannedbymotherjones

            I do actually – unlike you I’m no leech on the government. 50+ hours a week in a job that would have you crying for your mommy after a day. Go back to your safe space little one.

          • Patrick

            Good. Learn from that.

          • bannedbymotherjones

            I will stick to my beliefs. I’m not sorry if that offends you.

          • Patrick

            Oh, you have to do a LOT more than just being an offensive KKKunt to offend me.

          • David Ainsworth

            Linda can you not see YOUR double standard?? amazing how the liberal supporters of LGBT have tunnel vision . . .when a liberal LGBT supporter does the SAME thing you accuse Christians of doing, or anyone for that matter, it is bigotry and discrimination. Bruce SOLD tickets, people paid for the service upfront, now he denies them service based on their beliefs . . . .that is discrimination!!! Open your eyes!!!

          • GraciE

            Think of it like a food truck. They can pick their location and what they offer but once you’re open to the public you can’t refuse people who want the same funnel cake as everyone else.

          • Dean Bruckner

            If someone wants to use the funnel cake to kill someone else, or to offer a sacrifice to Molech (along with a live infant who won’t be alive after the sacrifice burns her to death), then the First Amendment is the operative contract clause that lets the seller refuse to sell the funnel cake.

          • Linda

            Killing someone is a crime.

          • Dean Bruckner

            So? S#x outside a monogamous heterosexual marriage is a sin, and helping someone sin is also a sin. My free exercise of religion means I follow my conscience on right and wrong and you don’t get to play God and try to force me to violate my conscience.

            Really, how dense can liberals be? FREE EXERCISE OF RELIGION, the birthright of every American. Period.

          • Rhonda

            No. What’s dense is your head. You “FREE EXERCISE OF RELIGION” is just your excuse for bullying and subjugating and feeling superior. It also seems to be your excuse for not following the teachings of Jesus Christ.. Who NEVER would have behaved as you people do. You people just get meaner every year that goes by.

          • Dean Bruckner

            No Rhonda, you’re wrong. I’m no better than anyone else. But I know that the truly mean thing is to lie about what and who humans actually are. I know that the truly mean thing is to allow adult males unsupervised access to bathrooms and shower rooms where there are little girls.

            Liberals do what feels right, not what IS right. They feel responsible only for their intentions, not for the actual results of their toxic social experiments.

            Haven’t enough children been destroyed, even apart from 55 million aborted beautiful babies, on the bloody and calloused altar of the Left’s sexual revolution?

            If you want to see meanness and hatred, that is it.

          • Steen Goddik

            You are right that you are not better than everybody else.
            In fact, with your bigotry, you are worse than most other people.

          • bannedbymotherjones

            Bigotry because we want to protect children. Right.

          • honesttoGod

            More GOP elected officials have been arrested for misbehavior in pubic restrooms than trans folk have been for molesting children in public restrooms. You’re worrying about the wrong things, and creating dangers where there are none.

          • Dean Bruckner

            Even if isn’t transgender, opening bathrooms to adult males leaves the door wide open for predators. Again, liberals never feel responsible for the actual results of their social engineering schemes, but only for their self-righteous motives.

          • bannedbymotherjones

            I’ll grant you there have been some creepy GOP prevs doing creepy perv things in restrooms – and they have/are currently paying for their crimes, have rightfully “enjoyed” public ridicule, and will never be a position of political power again. Hopefully. If there was a way to both accommodate transgenders while not putting women and children at a potential risk I’m all for it. I’m also wondering why using a single stall unisex restroom does not seem to be an option here – such a thing seems like it would be a decent compromise.

          • Patrick

            Bigotry because you’re pretending to protect children, cowering behind little kids for an excuse to spew your hate. RIGHT.

          • bannedbymotherjones

            No, it’s the Muslims – the liberal’s favorite example of “we don’t want to say XYZ about an entire block of people” – that hide behind children. Just because your motivations are bigoted that does not necessarily follow everyone’s is.

          • Steen Goddik

            No, bigots, because you want to discriminate, without protecting children at all (and then lie about it)

          • bannedbymotherjones

            Because everyone but a liberal democrat lies… /sarcasm as you obviously need the tag. Your very own idol Hillary is being investigated for lies and treason, her husband was impeached. Stellar record your idols have Steen.

          • Rhonda

            But you will allow transgender children to be beaten up, sexually abused and murdered? And Transgender adults to victims too ? This minority group that is treated so poorly is the recipient of 74% of the hate crime violence in this country. Transgenderism is a birth defect. Liberals believe in science, so doing what feels right is based on science! Your type purposely keeps itself ignorant so you can continue in your cruel ways. Type transgendered child into Youtube and watch how some families deal with their children being transexual. Thank God most people are coming along and are willing to learn before they ruin their child. Most suicides by children are by transgendered children. And that makes sense seeing the way so many of you treat them when you don’t even know them. Imagine what their personal lives are like.

          • Dean Bruckner

            How am I allowing abuse? That’s a lie.

            Transgender and intersex are two different things. The first is in the mind; the other a physical reality.

          • Patrick

            Keep spreading that “christian love” you sick sh!t.

          • bannedbymotherjones

            This simply proves that you believe it’s somehow okay for you to spew your hatred of Christians and religion because you think they hate others… this is why I don’t take people like you seriously. it’s the blatant hypocrisy of your position vs your actions.

          • Rhonda

            You know what? When I was a child and growing up in a Methodist church our minister never preached like you people talk. I think over the years your particular type of Christianity would have stayed a hole in the wall. But with the advent of the internet and thousands of TV channels you, who are a small group, yell very loudly. And yes you are bullies and you are causing all the hatred toward you. So if you think you are spreading the word of Jesus, you are not.

          • Dean Bruckner

            Hmmm… here’s what Jesus himself said about those who hurt children, especially causing spiritual harm:

            “And anyone who welcomes a little child like this on my behalf is welcoming me. But if you cause one of these little ones who trusts in me to fall into sin, it would be better for you to have a large millstone tied around your neck and be drowned in the depths of the sea.” – Matthew chapter 18, verses 5-6 (New Living Translation)

            The reason why a millstone express to Davy Jones Locker would be preferable is that the penalty that Jesus himself will administer to those who refuse his salvation will be worse, much worse. Not my idea; it’s what the Bible says.

            The Old Testament likewise is full of condemnations of leaders who fatten themselves while failing to protect those under their authority.

            What is the Left’s teaching of sexual revolution but a bulldozer to push young people into sin? And what is the opening of girls’ bathrooms and shower rooms to adult males but the forcing of these children into circumstances where sin is all but inevitable? When sexual immorality occurs, children ALWAYS get hurt.

            Methinks you need to go back and re-read the gospels. There is a hard edge and bitter end to sin, and part of the role of Christians is to warn people that it’s coming. But you don’t have to pay for sin yourself; Jesus did it already! He suffered and died so you don’t have to! Ask him to forgive you and invite him into your life, and he will come in and cleanse you the way he did me and every other true Christian.

            Jesus says, “Look! I’m here standing at the door, knocking. I want to come in and spend time with you. If you open the door, I’ll come in, and we’ll eat a meal together.” – Revelation chapter 3, verse 20, paraphrased

          • bannedbymotherjones

            I don’t claim to be spreading the word of Jesus. Nor have I ever – I leave that to those who have such a calling. Nor am I bullying anyone. I suppose deflection and redirection is the hallmark of those who get busted for their hypocritical behavior.

          • Rhonda

            Yes I can see that in your writings. I hope you can find some peace. Truthfully, holding on to negative thoughts or anger about another person or group of people will ensure that you will not be happy. Holding on to such negativity about anything will make you unhappy. Real happiness lies in loving all people, (Jesus told you this) and forgiving all people, (Jesus told you this too) If you can spend 1/2 hour every day forgiving people and loving them prayerfully you will be amazed.

          • bannedbymotherjones

            Really? So that’s what you are going with? Wow. hypocritical much Rhonda? It’s YOU and people like you who have been here spreading hatred – perhaps you should take your own advice.

          • Rhonda

            I admit I was less than compassionate when I first spoke to you. I would sincerely like to apologize for that. And that is the reason I checked back into my religion and realized that we are from the same source and we are connected and anytime I say mean things to another person it really means I am just saying mean things to myself. What told you is really what I believe. I have no peace when I hold on to anger for what anyone has done. In sincerely feel bad for these transgerdered people who are really the ones that have been abused at an unbelievable rate. Their lives are so hard. If you go to youtube and type in “raising a transgendered child” I think you will be amazed.

          • bannedbymotherjones

            Rhronda I’ve never denied that transgenders have it rough – one of my cousins is a transgender and it’s been rough for her (she’s transitioning from male to female) with work and some of our less than tolerant family members. Quite frankly for me to be against transgenders is to be against her and that is not going to happen. My only concern is the safety of children – I just don’t like the idea of a law that would potentially protect some pervert from strolling into a locker room at the Y and checking out some young girls. I’ll grant it’s a remote chance that it would happen but I’d rather see them protected than some pervert. If there was any way to both protect the children and give the transgenders what they want I’d be all for it.

            My apologies to you as well for my tone – it was less you and more others who posted here like that Steen jerk who’s been flinging his insults from the beginning. I dislike being cast as something I’m not from someone who knows nothing about me simply over a difference of opinion so I overreacted a bit. I’ll try to do better next time… 🙂

          • honesttoGod

            Free exercise does not grant you the right to operate any particular business. If selling someone cake violates your religious beliefs, you ought not be in the business of selling cake.

          • bannedbymotherjones

            Okay you’ve got things more than a little twisted here. Nowhere in the Constitution or any legal documents does it say that Christians/Muslims/adherents to whatever religion cannot operate certain businesses. In the case of the bakers that were sued they’ve sold to gay people before with no issues – the issue was in that they were expected to be present at the ceremony which went against their personal beliefs. There is a difference that you SJWs do not want to or cannot see.

          • honesttoGod

            I’m not talking about a specific case, I’m talking about the principle that one cannot pick and choose whom one will serve when one opens a business to serve the public. If they were present at other wedding ceremonies, then they should be present at this one, too. They are not being asked to perform the ceremony, but mind the cake. The Constitution doesn’t forbid folks from opening a business, but it doesn’t guarantee a right to any particular business. If you provide a service to one group, you can’t refuse to provide the service to others. It is a simple principle– and on that score, I’ve got nothing twisted here.

          • Dean Bruckner

            No, you have it exactly backwards. Free exercise means that government cannot make any particular regulation that violates free expression, except where such regulation is the LEAST RESTRICTIVE MEANS available regarding the limitation of the free exercise of religion.

            The free exercise of religion is a natural, God-given right, recognized by the Constitution and not granted. That you feel comfortable living under a socialistic tyranny with no understanding of God-given rights recognized by America’s Founding Fathers is the problem.

          • Patrick

            The old “Founding Fathers” bull$h!t again. Learn to read (besides your Big Book of Fairy Tales)

          • Dean Bruckner

            I’m reading David McCullough’s John Adams biography now. What an incredible man! He made a study of human nature, which resulted in the separation of powers in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts’ constitution, now the oldest constitution in force in the world, and the separation of powers in the U.S. Constitution.

            What are reading now? I mean, since you brought it up, and you are so much smarter than all the Founding Fathers put together, you should be setting the example of reading. Writing books is good too…what books have you published?

          • Patrick

            Funny you should ask! I just published “Dean Bruckner is an insufferable twatwaffle” ( it doesn’t have any pictures, so you’re probably not interested…)

          • Dean Bruckner

            Namecalling –> ad hominem logic error –> you lost the argument. End of discussion.

          • bannedbymotherjones

            You do realize that the founding fathers did not write the Bible, right? or is this more of your so-called “sarcasm”?

          • Steen Goddik

            A sin is not a crime. This got to be the dumbest claim of the day.

          • bannedbymotherjones

            Unless I missed something in his post he did not say that. So unless you can prove that he said a sin is a crime then you, sir, actually won the prize for the dumbest post of the day. Enjoy.

          • Dean Bruckner

            You are 100% right, and he is 100% wrong. Spot on!

          • Dean Bruckner

            Who said a sin is a crime? I didn’t. Please read more carefully.

            But the Constitution says that forcing people to sin, as THEY define it and as you apparently want to do, IS a crime against the Constitution.

          • Steen Goddik

            Not if your “sin” is to not discriminate, or to set your slaves free.

          • Patrick

            FuKKK your “conscience” you rancid pile of parrot droppings! You are no more religious than that hairy boil on your fat a$$.

          • Patrick

            So is ignorance and hate.

          • bannedbymotherjones

            By your own logic you are a criminal. You were ignorant about Jesus preaching hate, you were ignorant about the founding fathers writing the Bible, and you’ve been spreading your hate to anyone who disagrees with your limited worldview.

          • DW

            And it’s not even based on their beliefs. He doesn’t know the personal beliefs of any of those 15,000 ticket holders.

            He’s denying them services they’ve paid for, based on where they live.

          • Rhonda

            He knows the violence, bigotry and hatred extended to the transgender population. Remember this minority group who mean no harm to anyone but who are harassed and assaulted violently and assaulted sexually more than any other group is what we are talking about

          • bannedbymotherjones

            Violence, bigotry, and hatred have been extended to all parts of the population at one time or another – due to their color, their religion, their choice of bedpartners. But it’s okay to dump on Christians and those who lean right. It’s a nice double standard you guys practice.

          • Patrick

            Poor Baby! Why can’t people leave you “christians” alone, so you can go and hate who Jesus tells you to?!?

          • bannedbymotherjones

            Because Jesus dis not preach hatred. Anything else?

          • Patrick

            Hence the quotes -and lower case ‘C”- on “christian”, you dumb fuKKK. Anything else?

          • bannedbymotherjones

            Ah yes, the typical “defense” of those who cannot handle being proven wrong – sling insults like a child. Very well Patrick go your room!

          • Patrick

            And, just exactly where did you prove me wrong? (I mean, besides in your tiny mind?)

          • Different handle

            Ma’am your uterus has prolapsed

          • Patrick

            ZING! So, you have no answer either…

          • Different handle

            I mock leftards. STFDOWN yaPUSSY

          • Patrick

            OOOOOHHHHHH!!! What a MAN!!!!!!!

          • Different handle

            CM

          • bannedbymotherjones

            Wow, two replies to the one comment – I must have rattled your cage little man. You made the asinine and unfounded comment that Jesus preached hatred. He did not. You were wrong. Now go to your safe space and cry about it.

          • Patrick

            No, I didn’t. Learn to read.
            .

          • bannedbymotherjones

            Yes you did.

            Patrick bannedbymotherjones • an hour ago

            Poor Baby! Why can’t people leave you “christians” alone, so you can go and hate who Jesus tells you to?!?

            Jesus does not tell anyone to hate. Learn to write.

          • Patrick

            Are you proud of your ignorance??? Because you sure like to double-down on it! It’s called “sarcasm” I fuKKKing KNOW your invisible friend didn’t tell any one to hate. but you do hate, so you’re not Christian. You’re “christian”

          • Different handle

            Ma’am please settle down. We know you’re experiencing your menstrual cycle .

            Take two Advil and sleep it off

          • bannedbymotherjones

            And here we go with yet another attack because Patrick was wrong. The only ignorant one here Patrick is you. You got caught in a lie, I’m not sorry if it hurt your feelings. Deal with it. But do tell me, there in your rage-filled world, who or what do I hate?

          • Different handle

            I think I ran him off. Sorry for using off colored language but I found the best way to deal with his types is to punch harder and not let up.

            I was banned by MJ too and I took extra precautions to be extra civil

          • bannedbymotherjones

            The off colored language doesn’t bother me a bit – I use it quite a bit.

          • Patrick

            Your ‘Reading Comprehension 101’ teacher, apparently.

          • bannedbymotherjones

            Why? She taught me how to comprehend that you lied. Imagine that, a liberal democrat lying and flinging insults. Let me guess – you are voting for Hillary?

          • Different handle

            Too skeeeeered to reply to me anymore? Lol

          • Patrick

            No, too smart. It’s adorable how you think you’re clever enough or interesting enough to reply to, or that I’m scared to do so. It’s just that you’re a lame excuse for a human, and very tedious. ‘Bye.

          • Different handle

            Thanks for waving the white flag of surrender.

          • Patrick

            Hang on to that illusion if it makes you feel better, spermface!

          • Different handle

            Wait, I thought you were “too smart” to respond to me?

            This is the second time you’ve responded, dummy.

            You gullible leftards are too damned predictable

          • bannedbymotherjones

            Oh does this mean I’m clever enough or interesting enough to reply to? Thanks but I’m taken.

          • Dean Bruckner

            “…read”

            You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

          • Patrick

            And just exactly where did you prove me wrong… besides in your tiny little mind?

          • Different handle

            Ya spindly little puke. You got your aizz kicked for being a freak.

            STFDOWN

          • Patrick

            Hey! We speak English here!

          • Different handle

            YaPUSSY

          • bannedbymotherjones

            Only those who lack a leg to stand on have to begin to hurl insults to try to prove their point.

          • Patrick

            …still no answer… nice attempt at deflection though….

          • bannedbymotherjones

            Learn to read Patrick.

          • Patrick

            read this: And just exactly where did you prove me wrong?

          • bannedbymotherjones

            Look at the other post. To help you out here’s my reply:

            Yes you did.

            Patrick bannedbymotherjones • an hour ago

            Poor Baby! Why can’t people leave you “christians” alone, so you can go and hate who Jesus tells you to?!?

            Jesus does not tell anyone to hate. Learn to write.

          • Different handle

            You’re a Leftard. You’re wrong by nature

          • bannedbymotherjones

            That too.

          • Dean Bruckner

            Linda, the point of the whole discussion of religious freedom in the last few years in America is that the bakery DOES have a legal disclaimer already; it’s called the First Amendment: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.”

            My free exercise of religion includes not being forced to participate in a so-called same s#x wedding, on pain of losing my livelihood.

            If Bruce Springsteen can cancel his concert based on his personal beliefs, and his contract clause lets him do so, then a baker can cancel his participation in a ceremony that would violate his religious beliefs, because his contract clause–the foundational First Amendment–lets him do so.

            The existing test for adjudicating conflicts over religious freedom is that the government must use the least restrictive means of achieving the government’s intent. This means giving priority to religious freedom and only in a last resort taking it away.

            Many bakers will participate in a so-called same-s#x marriage ceremony, so forcing the one that respectfully will not participate is NEVER the least restrictive means. To push that baker into financial ruin by penalties exceeding a whole year’s income is more about punishing a person for religious beliefs that government authorities don’t like.

            As John Adams famously said, facts are stubborn things. And so is the text of the First Amendment. People who ignore it are using the Constitution as toilet paper, and that can never be overlooked.

          • Steen Goddik

            You still don’t know what a business license is, then.

          • Dean Bruckner

            I know that a business license and the law that implements it are covered under the “Congress shall make NO LAW” of the First Amendment, which has been extended to the several states.

            Originally, the First Amendment was written to allow the states to make a state religion, if they wanted to. Not a good idea and not part of Constitutional Law, but that is what the original sense of it was. It was a limitation to the FEDERAL government, to the benefit of the states.

          • mmmm7777

            Why can’t the baker have in his contract the same clause”Reserves the right to cancel service” but Bruce S can? Isn’t that discriminatory? Why would the baker have to close shop and jeopardize his way of living?

          • Gerald Potter

            Every ticket ever sold states show subject to change or cancellation without notice. Sorry yall dont get to go to the show…..wells it yalls fault

          • Brian

            Sure does but that only covers things that are unforseeable ie inclement weather, family sickness or accident. Springstein is now on the hook to the promoters, the site of the concert, the ticketholders and a slew of others.

          • Gerald Potter

            Well would you rather him show up sit on a stool in the middle of the stage and 2 hours later walk away. He would then have done his show by staring at ya

          • Brian

            Actually that would have been better. He opposes HB2. Fine. Use that concert time to sit there and fulfill your block of time and tell people why you think it is wrong. As is? He comes off as a douche and on top of it he is now financially liable so he has not cost NC any money as everything that was lost will be recouped from his pocket, plus court costs.

          • Gerald Potter

            Well it could go like Guns and Roses concert in Michigan years ago. They wouldnt perform for some reason or other and they went after them for monetary issues. But lawyers held it up forever and the venue lost money due to bill not being fufilled. As far as ticket holders they were only get face value after the fact and because concert was never performed ticket cost went from $35 to $5 because they were useless tickets. I like Bruce disagree with the bill and if i was him id do the same thing even costing me money in the end. I believe in a free America, but i u derstand this issue idea but theres more thoight needed. I have two trangendered friends and one is from NC and she on a daily basis is afraid for her life to go certain places. This only puts her in a bad place having to go where the ones who will hurt her are going to be.

          • Patrick

            If you need to be told why it’s wrong, you’re the douche.

          • mmmm7777

            and he would be suit for that too….

          • Steen Goddik

            It is not foreseeable that the state of NC suddenly went nuts and extremely bigoted in pushing hate laws not seen since Lee got spanked by Grant. Back then, it was the bigotry we called racism. The bigotry is still there, and you guys are crying that you have the right to your Jim Crow discrimination after all

          • Brian

            Aww, want to put on your big boy pants now steen? It’s not bigotry no matter how much or how loudly you cry about it. Move along.

          • Patrick

            Yes it is, no matter how much or how loudly you deny it.

          • Brian

            In order for it to be bigotry there has to be hatred and sorry but there simply is NOT any. No matter how much you or anyone else cry about it. Now shoo troll.

          • Steen Goddik

            Regulating based on religious paranoia certainly is bigotry. You just don’t like to be called on it, bigot.

          • Brian

            Sorry but you realize how stupid you sound with no facts to back you up? Is the bill religious? Nope. Does it target anyone? Nope? And no matter how much you cry that others are bigots, does not make it so, except in your small, small mind.

          • Steen Goddik

            Your attempt at justifying your desire to discriminate, that just makes you look like a yellow-bellied coward .

          • Brian

            It’s not justifying anything Steen, maybe one day when you gain some intelligence and wisdom you will learn that.

            ROTFLMAO.. seriously you just tried some playground BS with calling someone a yellow bellied coward? You are a laughingstock. Especially since I have not discriminated, no matter how much you claim otherwise. You have zero evidence to back your claim up. None.

          • Steen Goddik

            You voted for the bigots writing the discriminatory laws that you want. So yes, you are a discriminating bigot.

          • Brian

            Wow. Interesting and sad fail in logic on your part. But by that same token of your own argument, you voted for the bigots writing the same laws so you are a discriminating bigot as well. Deal with it.

          • Steen Goddik

            Nope, I didn’t. Once again, stupid tea bagger bigots logic fails them

          • Brian

            Yep, you did. See that whole discriminatory bigot door swings both ways. Liberal idiot politicians are known for this sort of thing. So sorry for your fail in logic, then again.. you are rather bad at this.

          • Steen Goddik

            Heh, the strident rantings you like? Yes, most people sre bad at idiotic demagogery. Seems like your forte, though.

          • Brian

            Back on your meds Steen. You are continuing to not make sense and starting misspell things again.. badly. They make spell check for a reason… bigot.

          • Steen Goddik

            More cowardly attempt at excusing bigotry.

          • Brian

            Nope, not cowardly at all. You make claims but you cannot back up what you say, not even a little bit, bigot.

          • Steen Goddik
          • Brian

            So we can call you the smiling IDIOT bigot now as you have nothing to back up your claims. N O T H I N G!

          • HotmessJess

            That would be included in the cancelation terms of the contract. If he satisfies those terms, the cancelation without notice stands.

          • Brian

            Problem is, no promoter is going to agree to such an idiotic thing as ‘performer retains the right to personally to a states laws,’ so he is on the hook for the full sum of the cost of renting, preparing, vendors, ticket sales, utilities. Not to mention, he did this last minute so now he will be on the line for accomodations, travel arrangements made by those that would be attending the concert as well as anything else a crafty lawyer can think up. Springsteen shot himself in the foot.

          • HotmessJess

            No sir, it doesn’t work like that. Insurance would cover some cost of the venue and accommodations, like vendors and staff, if they were past contract cancelation. The artist would make a financial arrangement with the promoter to settle the difference.

            The attendees are getting refunded, and as per their agreement with the ticketing institution, that’s all they’re owed.

            But feel free to call a few attorneys for their qualified opinions.

          • Brian

            Yes, it does work like that. Insurance covers things like if there is damage, a fire, an accident on premisis. It covers loss ie stolen or vandalized, workers compensation for events.

            Staff will get paid by the promoter and/or the location owner depending. Vendors, and such would seek to get paid by the promoter of the event. The promoter would then go to the artist.

            Tickets would be refunded to purchasee and that ticketing agent would then go back to the promoter.

            Attendees can then sue the artist and/or promoter and this is FROM attorneys. And THAT is how it works.

          • HotmessJess

            No. STAR and their affiliates have a code of practice, but it’s not legally enforceable, so technically they can even deny a refund. Their code of practice explicitly states that they do not cover any travel expenses incurred due to cancelation. You agree to these terms when you purchase your tickets.

            Promoters and venues carry insurance that cover cancelation events up to a certain amount. After that amount is when the artist would settle the difference.

            Either your attorney was not aware of the nature of these things or you’ve lied about quoting an attorney.

          • Brian

            They can try to deny a refund but if they do, and their counsel will tell this, they will lose in court and lose big.

            Cancelation insurance only covers things like an accident, a death of a band member or a disaster which forces the event to be canceled. NONE of which is what Springsteen did. Insurance does NOTHING for him.

            In any event a person ALWAYS has the right to sue for damages. Even more so when a person voluntarily pulls out due to non-emergency personal issues.

          • HotmessJess

            No, they wouldn’t win in front of a jury because they agreed to an arbitration at the time of purchase. They also agreed to assume risk for cancelations under certain circumstances. Please check STAR (society of ticket agents and retailers).

            Again, Springsteen’s insurance is not what we’re talking about. The promoter is who carries insurance for an event.

            So no, nope, and nuh-uh.

          • Brian

            Are you really that stupid? Just because someone puts something on the back of a ticket in fine print does not make it binding law. It relies on the average person that does not know and will not think to consult a lawyer to take that at face value and go ‘ok’. It’s not binding and does not hold legal weight. So yes, they would win in front of a jury.

            Springsteen is legally at fault for the whole shebang. If you have nothing further?

          • HotmessJess

            Unless ticketmaster agreed to go to trial, the court would have to deny any claim and redirect them to arbitration. So, yeah, it is legal weight.

            Springsteen had no such contact with the ticket purchasers, so no, again, no legal tort.

          • Brian

            You don’t get it. That fine print on the back of a ticket means nothing. If ticketmaster gets served in a suit it has no choice. It can suggest arbitration but that is not a binding requirement, ever. That is simply how the legal system works. A paying customer is not bound by what another wants or suggests.

            Springsteen is screwed. Period. He pulled out for personal bias reasons. It does not matter if Springsteen had no written contract. HE is still liable because it was HIS decision. You need to actually learn law and how it works. That fine print means absolutely nothing.

          • HotmessJess

            You can talk until you’re blue in the face, but the fact is YOU don’t understand the law. When you buy goods with bidding arbitration, you agree to that fine print and it does matter. See the federal arbitration act of the 1920s, and all the supreme court rulings regarding it. A court would be compelled to dismiss any suit due to existing arbitration contract.

            Also, again, the ticket holders did not have an agreement with Springsteen, but the hosts of the event. He can be sued by the promoter if he doesn’t make them whole, but the would-be concert goers have no claim against The Boss himself. They purchased goods from the promoter, Springsteen was merely the product. And in any way, their complaints are all covered in the arbitration clause they’ve agreed to at purchase.

            With your vast knowledge of tort law, arbitration, and fine print, you should be able to point me in the direction of precedent to back your claims, right?

          • Brian

            Actually I DO understand the law, a good bit better than you do apparently as any arbitration clause is not binding and is ultimately decided by a court. What does that mean? It means that the fine print with that arbitration clause you keep going back to, means NOTHING. Simply by buying something a person is NOT in any instance bound by what the company selling it, wants the person to be bound. A person does NOT agree, The company would LOVE for you to agree but that is not binding. Ever.

            A court would NOT be compelled to dismiss the suit. They would hear the suit and decide at that point. The ticket holders don’t have to have an agreement with Springsteen. And to refute you ..again.. that arbitration clause means nothing at all.

          • HotmessJess

            http://m.jonesday. com/us-supreme-court-rules-in-favor-of-arbitration-clauses-and-class-arbitration-waivers-in-consumer-contracts-01-13-2016/

            “The Federal Arbitration Act is clear that a “‘written provision’ in a contract providing for ‘settle[ment] by arbitration’ of ‘a controversy… arising out of’ that ‘contract … shall be valid, irrevocable, and enforceable, save upon such grounds as exist at law or in equity for the revocation of any contract.'” Id. at 13 (citing 9 U.S.C. § 2) (Ginsburg, J., dissenting).”

            http://lawgsp. com/arbitration-clause/
            “In recent years, Supreme Court decisions have largely favored the clauses. Although state and federal appellate courts have applied those decisions differently, overall, most courts favor strict enforcement of arbitration clauses, causing a negative impact on consumers’ right to sue. ”

            http://mobile.nytimes. com/2015/11/01/business/dealbook/arbitration-everywhere-stacking-the-deck-of-justice.html?referer=&_r=0
            “The consequences of arbitration clauses can be seen far beyond the financial sector. Even lawsuits that would not have been brought by a class have been forced out of the courts, according to the Times investigation. Taking Wall Street’s lead, businesses — including obstetrics practices, private schools and funeral homes — have employed arbitration clauses to shield themselves from liability, interviews and arbitration and court records show.”

            https://professional-troublemaker. com/2016/01/25/should-you-agree-to-arbitration-clauses/

            http://www.consumerreports. org/cro/news/2015/03/are-you-giving-up-your-right-to-sue-without-knowing-it/index.htm

            Please see #6

            http://www.takejusticeback. com/news/top-10-myths-forced-arbitration-you-will-likely-hear-us-chamber%E2%80%99s-lawyer-0

            Look, I’m not pro arbitration, quite the opposite, actually. But this is currently how it works. The consumer agreed to the contract at the time of purchase, and even implied consent by accepting and using the tickets. Accepting a refund also implies consent it dissolves the contact, in which case, the merchant has no other obligation to the consumer.
            Like I said, if you can furnish precedent, or even a valid, qualified opinion that this dispute could be the key to unlock the door to consumer arbitration agreements, I’d be glad to hear it. But your case even lacks damages to take to arbitration.
            If the fine print didn’t matter, it wouldn’t be there. And ticketmaster’s print is in compliance with federal laws.

          • Brian

            Problem is, and what you are missing is that nonsignatories are not bound to arbitration. In literal terms it REQUIRES both parties to SIGN a contract in order for arbitration to even go forward. SImply by purchasing a ticket is not enough, not by a longshot.

          • HotmessJess

            Not much of a concert goer, eh? You have to consent to ticketmaster’s terms of service at the time of purchase. Online and in person. And it does state that accepting and using the tickets is implied consent (that is upheld in the federal arbitration act, seriously, maybe take a look at it).

            Plus, the hardest part of your claim will be to prove damages. They’re getting their money back. Sane courts don’t recognize the grounds of “perturbed” and “mildly inconvenienced”.

            Like I said, come back when you have something substantial.

          • HotmessJess

            Sorry for the delay. The links were live when I originally posted and didn’t pass moderation. If you C&P, just remove the 3 spaces between the dot and com/org.

          • Brian

            It’s funny that you reference STAR as that is solely a UK thing and holds zero weight here in the United States.

          • HotmessJess

            No, it doesn’t, it isn’t a law, but rather a code by which ticket vendors operate. It is the same here in the US, however we don’t have anyone to acrcredit ticketmaster, as they are pretty much the lone wolves in that regard. And they don’t share that information online.

          • HotmessJess

            Why don’t you cite your sources, since you’ve decided to double down?

          • Brian

            It’s really easy. Look up event insurance. It spells it out and when several insurance companies with a few variances all state the same thing. One such is trusted choice. Below is the excerpt from their website since this site will not allow the posting of links.

            Protect the Big Show with Concert Insurance

            Fans get excited when a big concert is coming to town. Meanwhile the band looks forward to wowing the crowd, and everyone involved in the show prepares for the big night. But what happens when things go wrong? For example, what if the show cannot go on because the lead singer falls ill, one of the crew members gets hurt by stage equipment, or fans get rowdy and damage the venue? If any of these things happen, you want to make sure you are protected with the right concert insurance.

            An independent agent in the Trusted Choice® network can help you compare multiple concert event insurance policies and select the one that provides the protection you need. Find a Trusted Choice member agent now for concert insurance quotes and answers to your questions.

            Concert Dangers and Risks

            Stage falls: GRAMMY-winning producer Greg Ladanyi died when he fell from a stage during a performance by Anna Vissi.

            Stage collapses: Seven people died and 40 people were injured when a stage collapsed before a Sugarland concert at the Indiana State Fair in 2011.

            Audience risks: 100 people were killed and about 200 were injured when pyrotechnics at a 2003 Great White show in Rhode Island caused a fire.

            What Is Concert Insurance?

            Anytime people gather in large crowds, there are risks, especially when you consider the electricity and equipment needed for lights, sound, special effects and food service. All of these factors increase the risk of accidents and injuries at both indoor and outdoor concerts.

            Additional concerns include:

            Damage to equipment, instruments, stages and scaffolding

            Injury to stage hands, drivers and technicians

            Performance cancellation due to weather or a performer’s illness

            Concert event insurance can protect you and give you peace of mind knowing you, your crew, the concert workers and the fans will be covered if an accident or unforeseen problem occurs. You can typically either buy insurance for a single concert or as a yearly policy for a series of events.

            Concert Liability Protection

            Concert insurance is made up of a few different types of coverage that are packaged together to create risk protection for concert performers, promoters and venues.

            Liability coverage protects you if a third party is injured during the event, or as a result of the event activities, or if third-party property is damaged and it is deemed to be your responsibility. The policy will pay claims and the insurance company’s legal counsel will help defend you against liability lawsuits.

            The types of liability coverage you may need include:

            General liability: Protects you from liability claims and lawsuits if you are at fault for property damage or injuries.

            Liquor liability:

            Host liquor liability covers issues that may result when an event host provides alcohol on a non-commercial basis.

            Commercial liquor liability insures vendors who sell liquor at an event.

            Auto liability: This policy will cover you if you or one of your staff causes injury or property damage in an auto accident in company vehicles or on company time.

            Third party property damage: Provides coverage if property other than your own is damaged. It can also extend to cover physical damage to the venue.

            Property Damage Coverage for Buildings and Equipment

            Property damage coverage will protect your investment in your business property due to theft or damage from a covered event, such as fire or severe weather.

            You will want to make sure your property damage coverage is designed to replace or repair the following:

            Your building, if you have one, such as an office building and/or concert venue

            Instruments and sound equipment

            Sets and props

            Wardrobe and costumes

            Normally, this policy applies to both rented and owned items, but be sure to review your policy. You may need to add additional endorsements for specific property that is otherwise excluded.

            Medical Payments Coverage for Concerts

            Medical payments coverage will provide compensation for anyone other than your employees who may be injured. This includes several phases of your event, including:

            During the concert set-up

            During the course of the concert

            While tearing down after the show

            This coverage is specifically designed to protect anyone on the premises during the event that is a non-employee, such as spectators, bystanders, other workers and volunteers.

            Additional Protection for Your Financial Investment

            You may want to consider carrying additional coverage for various costs involved in putting on a music or entertainment event. This may include:

            Concert ticket insurance to cover printing costs, in the event that the show is cancelled or tickets are stolen or lost in shipment.

            Event cancellation coverage if you are the owner or promoter of the event.

            Loss of income coverage to cover your income and operating costs, such as payroll, if you experienced a business interruption described in your policy, such as a fire or severe storm.

            Workers compensation coverage for your employees, if required in your state. Covers work-related injuries or illness your workers may experience on the job.

            Commercial vehicle coverage for buses, trucks, and vans that are used for business purposes. This protects your drivers and vehicles if they are harmed or damaged, or if an employed driver causes an accident that results in property damage or bodily injury to others.

            How Do I Find out How Much Concert Insurance Costs?

            With any insurance policy, the benefit of the coverage must outweigh the cost for the policy. Concert event insurance is no different and obviously you have many risks you may be concerned about, from liability issues to property damage, medical emergencies concert cancellation and more. The cost of your policy will vary depending on how large an operation you run, the coverage options you choose and other factors.

            An independent Trusted Choice member agent can help you compare multiple concert insurance options and prices so you can select the one that fits you for a cost that suits your budget. Find a local member agent today to get your questions answered and get coverage tailored to your needs.

            Springsteen pulling out like he did? Means his insurance does not cover him. Period. It was his choice to do so and was not an act beyond his control.

            Sorry to upset your apple cart but I DO my research before posting. That and the fact I have worked many, many concerts and things like this come up.

          • HotmessJess

            Oh sweet Nutella in Valhalla, Brian, please look again:

            “Additional Protection for Your Financial Investment

            You may want to consider carrying additional coverage for various costs involved in putting on a music or entertainment event. This may include:

            Concert ticket insurance to cover printing costs, in the event that the show is cancelled or tickets are stolen or lost in shipment.

            Event cancellation coverage if you are the owner or promoter of the event.”

            The promoter has insurance that covers when talent pulls out. Your own little snippet says so. It validated what I said in my previous statement. But thank you for giving me another source of my correctness.

          • Brian

            Did you bother to even read or just cherry pick the parts that you think support your argument? DId you even bother to read what the insurance covers in terms of cancellation? Nope. Because if you had you would have IMMEDIATELY seen that it does not cover what you think it does.

            It covers the COST of the tickets printing. Which as any fool knows is cheap compared to the price charged to the viewer. Pennies on the actual dollar.

            Event cancellation is in certain events, NOT because the performer didn’t like what the state did. It covers emergencies, natural disasters and things unseen.

            That little snippet does not support you in the least. It in-validated what you said in your previous statements. Nice attempt at a spin but it is patently clear you have no idea about what you speak.

          • Robert W Ryder

            Look Brian!!!#! You can’t fix stupid!!!#! Lololzzz!!!!#! Ya keep spelling it out for them but, they can’t understand!!!#! They haven’t the faculties about them!!!#! 🙂 😉 Even if you opened up a class for them it won’t work!!!#! 🙂 Cause you can’t fix stupid!!!! 🙂 😉

          • mmmm7777

            Insurance would contest the reason for BS cancellation and would never pay the bill…

          • HotmessJess

            Again, that would be true if Springsteen filed a claim with HIS insurance for cancelations. The promoter, on the other hand, carries the cancelation insurance to protect their interests for reasons JUST LIKE THIS. The promoters insurance will pay the promoter and will try to collect from Springsteen’s insurance or himself directly.

            Like auto insurance. For example, you (promoter) are hit by a motorist (BS) who hit you on purpose and damaged your vehicle (we are subtracting criminal liability from the situation). You both carry full coverage, and decide to file with your insurance to be compensated. Your company will pay your claim as this was not your doing; his company will not pay his claim because he admitted intentional fault. Your company will then try to recover their expenses from his insurance (if he is uninsured, they will pursue him directly). His company will then recover THOSE expenses from him. That is how insurance works.

          • mmmm7777

            Makes Sense

          • Dean Bruckner

            The First Amendment is the ever-present contract clause that does not allow the government to dictate what is and what isn’t a person’s religious belief. If there is a conflict, then the government must use the means that least restricts the free exercise of religion. So yes, Bruce can refuse service based on his beliefs (and contract clause), but so can the Christian baker, or florist, or photographer, based on their religious beliefs and the operative contract clause of being an American, the First Amendment.

            Every citizen carries the ticket stub of the Constitution wherever he or she goes, and it is nearly all-powerful.

            Those who so easily ignore the First Amendment don’t understand, literally, the First thing about being an American.

          • honesttoGod

            Actually, no. The 1st Amendment guarantees free exercise of religion. It does not guarantee that you can operate a bakery or any other business if your free exercise causes you to act in ways with that business that damage the public trust. Thus, if your faith prohibited performing some of the basic public health hygiene associated with baking, it would be no breach of your free exercise to have your bakery closed down for not following those rules of hygiene, because the 1st Amendment doesn’t say you have a right to operate any particular business. Requiring people who serve the public to serve _all_ the public as a condition of operating a business does not, in any way, violate that individual’s right to free exercise. He or she can choose a profession that does not force them to deal with the people they find religiously offensive.

          • Dean Bruckner

            “He or she can choose a profession that does not force them to deal with the people they find religiously offensive.”

            They did choose that, at least regarding the conduct they find religiously offensive. Who changed?

          • mmmm7777

            Let’s assume you own a catering service. You are not necessarily a Christian but you have your limits on certain things. Now assume that your family are part of providing your catering service.
            Now you get to know that the event in place will be an orgy, serving food prior and during the entire feast…….. Do you think you should have the right to say, listen I do not want to cater your party because my wife and daughters are the ones that help me doing this and do not want them to do this.. Should you be sued for not providing the service?

          • honesttoGod

            Well– this is an easy one. If my wife and daughters are adults, they answer for themselves whether they will work the event, but if my daughters are minors, then I would have to decline because they could not work in an “adult” space. Of course the truth is that I’m unlikely to cater any thing like a parallel event, so telling them that I don’t cater that sort of event isn’t discriminatory. The situation here is that these bakers DO parallel events– they make wedding cakes, they attend receptions to take care of the cakes, but they won’t do it for these folks. That is discrimination, and violates the standards we expect public businesses to maintain. Besides, of course you can decline– as people often do– on the basis of conflicts, already being busy that night, etc. It becomes actionable when someone climbs up on their moral high horse and tells folks that they won’t do it because it violates their deeply held moral beliefs. Though owning a bake shop and having deeply held religious beliefs about baking cakes seems a bit far-fetched. And, the suggestion that baking a cake is somehow giving their imprimatur to the event is disingenuous. Does baking a cake for a bar mitzvah mean that they are participating and giving their endorsement to that ritual? Or when evangelical bakers are asked to bake a cake for the patronal celebration of some Roman Catholic group devoted to the Blessed Virgin Mary– are they participating in Mariolatry by baking the cake? Bakers do this kind of thing all the time, and correctly recognize that the reason for the cake has nothing to do with them as the bakers of the cake.

          • mmmm7777

            This is an easy one.. Basically if wife and daughters say no, they will be sued for discriminating, regardless.. And what you are saying is tell people lies if you do not want to cater them… Is better than telling them the truth. … Honestly if I go for a hair cut at a beauty salon and a Gay guy (who honestly are really good at this) tells me he does not cut hair to Christian Males, I would actually thank him and go somewhere else; I prefer a straight answer than getting a bunch of lies. Will not be offended and will give my business to who appreciates it. Sounds you are in favor of the new PC culture that makes this society one that lives in fear of being sued or harassed if they do not say the right words or conform to “the new norm”… a flavorless society.. The one where people are not individuals anymore but classified as part of a group (Hispanics / Latino, Afro American, LGBT, Women/Pro-abortion, White Christian Males, etc. A gift from democrats). If you are part of that preassigned group you can only think like that group is supposed to think. e.g. if you are Afro American, you need to vote democrat, you are a victim, you are entitled. If you are latin, you have to be in favor of illegal immigration, etc.). If an afro-American is republican, is against never-ending entitlement programs, etc. then he is tagged as if there is something wrong with him (Dr Ben Carson)… hmmm. sorry I got distracted. let me go back to the baker. let me tell you what I would do if I was the Christian Baker (or photographer). In reality I would cater to all Gay Weddings. My van would have a huge but nice Bible Verse (Not offensive or condemnatory), but something that would make clear to all clients that my business is indeed based in my Christian beliefs. I would give cards to people with my info that would have some other Bible verses. And if any one in the party wants to talk with me, I would be more than glad to talk about my faith with them. So when you hire me, you get my full service… A Christian baker (or photographer) that does an incredible job accordingly to his beliefs. Pardon my analogy, but it is just like Hooters.. You go there and you expect waitresses to show their assets, if you do not like that you can go to Chili’s. , In this case, the Baker will show his assets.. 🙂 Was a nice discussion….

          • Steen Goddik

            The baker can hold any belief they want. But the business operates under a business license with the city, and has to follow the city’s rukes. Like not discriminating. So your extreme ignorance of the 1st Amendment is not anybody’s fault but yours. Next time, study up.

          • Dean Bruckner

            What’s so hard to understand about “Congress shall make no law … prohibiting the free exercise thereof”?

            To liberals, the Constitution is an idea that is infinitely malleable, to suit their own evil desires.

          • sandflea

            It’s “y’all”. And just so you know, I was merely discussing the semantics of Linda’s comment, not casting judgement on this one way or the other. Unlike YOU. Bless your heart.

          • Robert W Ryder

            It is, but not for his reason!!!! You can believe peeps wouldn’the buy a ticket and travel there if someone could get out that easy!!!#! 🙁

          • Robert W Ryder

            Still holds him liable!! 🙂

          • honesttoGod

            No, he didn’t. He decided to close up “shop” and pay people back for their tickets. If he’d had a concert, but only for people who oppose HB 2, then he would be discriminating. Instead, he chose not to offer his product/service at all. If you serve the public, you can’t serve some and not others.

          • bannedbymotherjones

            By his previously scheduling the concert he has offered his services. What part of that do you not get?

          • Linda

            What part of my explanation did you not get? Let me know and I’ll spell it out slowly.

          • bannedbymotherjones

            The part where you think that he did not discriminate against an entire state due to the majority of it’s citizens voting for something he does not support simply because you agree with his opinion. That clause in the tickets is not for moral outrage, it’s for unexpected illnesses, family issues, and the like. Not that I would expect someone with your limited intellectual capacity to comprehend this. Now did you want to play some more or do you need to seek your safe space?

          • Excal

            By your logic, a bakery that opens up in NC is discriminating against people from Alaska because they don’t live in reasonable driving distance. Funnily enough, it doesn’t work that way

          • bannedbymotherjones

            Wrong. Bruce Springsteen scheduled his concert in NC on a certain date. He cancelled due to an issue with moral outrage which is not covered under the disclaimer. He discriminated against an entire state for a difference of opinion. Perhaps you should check your logic.

          • David Ainsworth

            YOU are not getting it Linda, sorry

          • Patrick

            …it wouldn’t help…

          • honesttoGod

            By cancelling the concert, he is “closing his store” in NC, not choosing to service some of the public while refusing service to others. If the bakers cancelled their contract because they went out of business and no longer provided services to anyone, then THAT would be what Springsteen did. What part of that do you not get?

          • bannedbymotherjones

            So then Springsteen will never set foot in NC to play a concert again because “he closed his store”? Never mind the hypocrisy of his actions because he’s played concerts where having two bathrooms for the sexes is the norm. I love it how you can accept his discrimination because he’s on your side but you cannot accept someone else’s discrimination because they aren’t. Hypocrite much?

          • honesttoGod

            No, not a hypocrite at all. It is a simple thing. He is not singling NC out– I’m willing to bet that he’d cancel the concert in ANY state that had a similar law, so he isn’t discriminating against NC. The hypothetical baker, et al. in our discussion can choose to serve no one at all, too. He just can’t pick and choose who he will serve when he opens a business to serve the public. And you do realize, no one is making the claim that there should not be two bathrooms for men and women– though single user unisex bathrooms would eliminate the issue. As for what Springsteen will do re: NC in the future– I don’t know and you don’t know, so it has no bearing on what he is doing now. We can only discuss what is happening, not what some individual may do in the future.

          • Donna Hinson Rouse

            you twist it any way you want to…we stand for what we believe in as is our right…problem..stay away…problem solved!

          • Linda

            Oh Donna, bless your heart. By the looks of your picture you’re from my mom’s generation and sometimes we let the old folks just rant a little bit. You go for it. There there.

          • Donna Hinson Rouse

            I am sure your poor old mother is proud….calling an entire state inbreds….you must be so worldly and clearly you have missed the point

          • Linda

            (I apologize for the insults. You’re lovely, and probably my age (55.) I was just being mean. But — do you realize that HB2 allows for employees to discriminate regarding age and disability?

            That fathers with daughters/mothers with sons MUST send their children over 7 into public restrooms of the child’s gender? I have two sons and I always took them with me, until they were a bit older than 7.

            That a local government cannot pass an ordinance that would provide a living wage, regulations on the number of hours people work, payment of earned wages, benefits, leave, or the well being of minors in the workplace?

            HB2 makes it legal to discriminate on the basis of veteran status, sexual orientation and gender identity? Unless the birth certificate has been changed a trans man must go into the ladies room. Look up Chaz Bono. He’s had sexual reassignment surgery. Do you want him in the bathroom with your little girl? (Not that he’s a danger in any way, but he is a MAN.)

            There is more. It’s a bad law. BAD.

          • Brian

            Umm no Linda HB2 does not allow any such thing. HB2 holds true an d in force the same protections that are Federally held. Further, IF it did do as you claim it would be unconstituitional, which at current it is not.

            You obviously did not read the bill Linda as it allows that that need to be accompanied, to be accompanied.

            Yes, local governments cannot set minimum wage. Why? Because as we are seeing in Seattle and other places that have done so, it is fiscally irresponsible for oh so many reasons. Regulations on hours that can and may be worked are already done in Federal guidelines.

            Again you obviously need to read the bill.

            It does not make it legal to discriminate on the basis of Veteran status. Sexual orientation has never been protected nor has Gender identity.

            Sorry but if you have man parts and look like a man you go into a mens restroom and vice versa. It’s not that hard.

            It’s actually a good law. It’s just the bleeding heart liberals that are taking issue.

          • Linda

            You’re right. The age of a child having to use the bathroom of their appropriate gender is 8, not 7. NOT accompanied.

            Regarding federal guidelines — this law places the power of redress at the federal level, which is much more difficult for oh so many reasons.

            Seattle? My kids live in Seattle. Don’t believe everything you read about it. It’s got a thriving economy, there are many jobs and small business owners love it.

            Veterans aren’t a protected class, either. Their group is amongst the highest in filing complaints regarding working conditions. Way to go, NC, in supporting our Vets.

            Also, the body parts? No. It’s what is on your birth certificate that matters. Perhaps NC will require you to carry around “papers” to prove what genitals you have.

            Sorry your reading comprehension is poor.

            Liberals fight for equal rights across the board. Conservatives bark about less government but they really mean “less government” for them, more for everyone else.

          • Brian

            Sorry but you are being obtuse again. What exactly was my reading comprehension poor on as I read and understood your points you made and addressed such.

          • Dean Bruckner

            Liberals don’t fight for equal rights. They fight for special rights. Who gave ANY citizen the right to redefine marriage? They were always free to marry a person of the opposite s#x. The right to redefine marriage over the society’s expressed will is called a special right.

            I believe I will redefine car ownership. Anyone whose car depreciates 25% from the original price loses the title to the person who first claims the right to the pre-owned car.

            Sure, I have a right to buy a new car, but that’s not enough. I don’t want to pay the depreciation for driving a new car off the lot. I want what I want, and no one is going to stop me. If they try, they are bigots and haters and rubes.

            So how old is your car, Linda? Everyone should be able to drive the car of their choice. It’s an equal right.

          • Steen Goddik

            Seattle is BOOMING since they increased the minimum wage, so that’s a big, fat lie.

          • Brian

            Sorry but facts, actual facts and not your unsubstantiated hype speak otherwise as news sources and statistics show.

            Data shows that the Seattle Metropolitan Statistical Area (MSA) lost 700 restaurant jobs from January to September of this year, and a report from the American Enterprise Institute suggests that this could be the product of adverse effects of minimum wage hikes on restaurant jobs.

            “What is also noteworthy about the loss of Seattle restaurant jobs this year is the fact that restaurant employment in the rest of Washington state is booming this year,” writes Mark Perry, an AEI scholar and professor of economics and finance at the University of Michigan’s Flint campus.

            A report by Perry, published Wednesday on AEI’s public policy blog Carpe Diem, notes that there has been an increase of 5,800 new restaurant job positions in the rest of the state of Washington.

          • Brian

            THen there is this and this is as of Feb of this year.. the only one lying here is you Steen. Before you end up looking even dumber than you are, do SOME research before you post fact less crapo

            The American Enterprise Institute blog reveals the not very surprising news that 10 months into Seattle’s radical experiment of boosting the minimum wage to $15 an hour over a period of years, the city has suffered the worst job losses since the Great Recession.

            Now that the first Seattle minimum wage increase has been in effect for more than ten months, and as local employers brace for the additional minimum wage hikes that will eventually increase their annual labor costs per full-time minimum wage worker by 61% and by a whopping $11,300 (from the increase in hourly labor costs from $9.32 to $15 an hour), are there any noticeable effects so far on the city’s labor market? Is Seattle’s radical experiment with the highest-ever minimum wage in US history serving as a “model for the rest of the nation to follow”? Or is Seattle serving as an “economic canary in the coal mine” for other cities and states (and the country) considering the “bold action” of imposing higher labor costs on employers by as much as $15,500 annually per full-time minimum wage workers if they enact legislation increasing the minimum wage from $7.25 to $15 an hour?

            Early evidence from the Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) on Seattle’s monthly employment, the number of unemployed workers, and the city’s unemployment rate through December 2015 suggest that since last April when the first minimum wage hike took effect: a) the city’s employment has fallen by more than 11,000, b) the number of unemployed workers has risen by nearly 5,000, and c) the city’s jobless rate has increased by more than 1 percentage point (all based on BLS’s “not seasonally adjusted basis”). Those figures are based on employment data for the city of Seattle only (not the Seattle MSA or MD), and are available from the BLS website here (data are “not seasonally adjusted”).

            How can we be sure that the increase in minimum wage is to blame? Employment in the neighboring suburbs of the city have hit a record high:

            Update: The chart below shows that while the city of Seattle experienced a sharp drop in employment of more than 11,000 jobs between April and December last year (light blue line, BLS data available here), employment in Seattle’s neighboring suburbs outside the city limits (the Seattle MSA jobs less Seattle city jobs) increased over that period by nearly 57,000 jobs and reached a new record high in November 2015 before falling slightly in December.

            Bottom Line II: Additional evidence showing that while jobs in the city of Seattle were tanking starting last April, employment in the suburbs surrounding Seattle was increasing steadily to a new record high in November. That departure in employment trends: job declines inside the city limits of Seattle compared to increasing employment outside the city limits suggests the possibility that the difference in labor costs could have been a contributing factor.

          • Brian

            And then there is this excerpt.

            Despite a booming economy throughout western Washington, the state’s welfare caseload has dropped very little since the higher wage phase began in Seattle in April. In March 130,851 people were enrolled in the Basic Food program. In April, the caseload dropped to 130,376.

            At the same time, prices appear to be going up on just about everything.

            Some restaurants have tacked on a 15 percent surcharge to cover the higher wages. And some managers are no longer encouraging customers to tip, leading to a redistribution of income. Workers in the back of the kitchen, such as dishwashers and cooks, are getting paid more, but servers who rely on tips are seeing a pay cut.

            Pay attention to where prices are going up on everything. What does that mean for those 15 dollar an hour workers? EXACTLY what was predicted. The cost of living is going up so they see that same 15 dollars an hour that IDIOT LIBERALS touted as a living wage, actually hurting people as now they are in a higher tax bracket but also everything goes UP in price.

            Booming you say? Sorry but the actual facts prove that you sir are an idiot and a liar. Ooops.. darn those pesky facts that keep making you to be the consistent, yet eager fool.

          • Steen Goddik

            Facts? Mind providing objective data on this?

          • Brian

            lol my you are an idiot. The facts are already laid out for you. You can google the rest. Seattle is tanking as employers are going outside of Seattle for the lower wage. Sorry but YOU have no data to support YOUR claim.

          • Steen Goddik

            Ah, I ask,for data for your claim, and you give more verbal diarrhea. Okay then …

          • Brian

            You were already GIVEN facts. You just choose to ignore what was given to you.. and verbal diarrhea? That is all you have been spewing with your nonsensical crap.

          • Steen Goddik

            I was given an unsubstantiated claim. No wonder you guys are confused, when you don’t know what facts are

          • Brian

            The only unsubstantiated claim is yours, which was that Seattle WA was booming and that is contradicted by statistics and by indpendent news reports and reviews. Employers are going outside of Seattle and setting up shop where the insanity of $15 an hour does not exist. Now THOSE businesses are booming, but inside Seattle? Not so much as employees are begging for less hours. Why? TO stay on government assistance as now? They earn more than the programs they were on. Bye bye controlled rent, food stamps and such.. and hello to higher prices for everything. Which means that that $15 an hour is HURTING more than helping.

            Those are facts that even your dumb bigoted liberal mind can’t factually refute.

          • bannedbymotherjones

            Why don’t you prove your points rather than whine, cry, and sling your insults like a monkey flings it’s poo? Oh wait, facts are hard for Steen.

          • Steen Goddik

            So Brian, if you look like a man, but have women parts, what bathroom do you use?

          • Brian

            By law you use the womens bathroom. That is a no-brainer, even for you.

          • Steen Goddik

            So somebody looking like a man, has to use women’s bathroom. Okay. Now, how do you know they are transgender and not actually a man?

          • Dean Bruckner

            In Ohio, the state has reserved for itself all powers to regulate drilling for oil. What’s wrong with that? It’s how our government works.

          • Steen Goddik

            Well, stop acting like it, then

          • David Ainsworth

            Oh Linda . . .a nice sprinkling of arrogance! How nice and tolerant of you

          • Dean Bruckner

            “Linda” means soft, tender and beautiful.

          • Defend America

            Donna you can’t argue with a liberal especially the babies they have all been brainwashed and will not change their minds until they become a victim .

          • Steen Goddik

            “Rights” do not encompassing bigotry and discrimination. When the US Supreme Court rules on this in 1 1/2 year, Justice Obama will strike it down.

          • mburch

            Actually, the issue is compelling service providers to support or participate in a ceremony that violates their beliefs. That has been the issue with the cases in court. The bakery in OR served gays all the time. The issue came up when they wouldn’t cater to their irreligious wedding.

          • Linda

            Why on earth does a baker think they are participating in a wedding? Do they ask if a person is divorced, or had an affair before the engagement?

          • David Ainsworth

            Why on earth would a gay couple try to force a bakery to do anything for them . . .why not just go to a bakery that will do it . . . .your answer is for the publicity

          • Dean Bruckner

            They don’t ask. They’d rather not know, I guess. Too often it is deliberately forced on them, by couples trolling for a lawsuit they can use to crush those who believe differently.

            That’s the way the ACLU has worked for a hundred years, and that’s the way Brad Avakian ran his cartel in Oregon. He colluded before the fact with g@y and lesbi@n interest groups, and then tried to cover it up. It was a setup, and he wanted to crush the Kleins, and “rehabilitate” them. That’s communist secret code for brainwashing and abuse.

          • Steen Goddik

            The bakery operates under a business license that follows local laws. In Oregon, that meant not discriminating against homosexuals. So they deliberately broke a law they had agreed to follow. What part of this is a mystery to you?

          • mburch

            They served gays regularly, but you somehow think a business license supersedes the Constitution and compels them to support a religious ceremony they oppose for a “protected” group identified by deviant/immoral behavior. Tell me, why don’t radical guys demand the same from a Muslim bakery? Do you think a Muslim business should be required to support a bar mitzvah? And why do gays want their services from folks who don’t support their ceremonies/poor life choices? Are there not gay bakers/florists/photographers who can provide the service? Mystery solved.

          • Steen Goddik

            If you operate a business in a city, you are under that city’s laws. If you can’t do that, you end up breaking the law. Simple as that.

          • Dean Bruckner

            And if you are a city government in the United States, you are subject to state and federal laws, and to the Constitution of the United States.

          • Steen Goddik

            And none of them prohibited cities from having non-discrimination laws. Except the bigoted, backward, hatemongering loser state of North Carolina and theIr sycophant wannabe fellow bigoted states.

          • Dean Bruckner

            They didn’t and shouldn’t have to, if people on the Left didn’t hate and despise the First Amendment and use the Constitution as toilet paper. The law was passed only because radical LGBT activists desecrated the First Amendment in Charlotte.

          • Steen Goddik

            Another lie, in defense of bigotry. Pathetic.

          • Dean Bruckner

            The First Amendment is the operative contract clause that lets the baker terminate that business relationship without penalty. It takes precedence over federal, state and local law. If there is a conflict, the government must use the means that is least restrictive to the free exercise of religion.

            Citizens who ignore the First Amendment don’t know the First thing about what it means to be American.

          • Steen Goddik

            The baker can say anything he wants. But his business operates at the pleasure of the city, under the business license. Law was never your strong field, obviously. Your wishful thinking does not make bigotry legal. Or even a reality.

          • Dean Bruckner

            The Constitution is the highest law of the land, and trumps all others, especially hateful and bigoted laws passed by localities aimed at people of faith.

          • Steen Goddik

            And also overrule local laws of religious bigotry against others. Your claim is false. Repeating your lie doesn’t make it true. It simply makes you look dumb or delusional.

          • Steen Goddik

            Citizens have 1st Amendment rights. Businesses must follow the rules they agrwe’d to in getting their business license.

            So your argument is pure nonsense, based on complete ignorance. You basically presented your belief as fact. That’s pathetic.

          • Nola_Fire

            But the law was the same before and after he booked his concert. NC just made a stance to enforce it. Anyway, Law or no law, No man is entering a bathroom with my Daughter in it.

          • Steen Goddik

            Women are. And now, even if they look like men, they are.

          • Joseph Robert Kennedy

            Yah there must be several 53 year olds in NC disappointed. LOL.

          • Rich Lenotti

            Except that he DID offer a service. The concert was 2 days away. People had already paid good money for that service. Many paid for air fare and lodging to go along with that service. He then cancelled that service on thousands. So should the baker be able to do that if he finds out after the fact his client is gay?

            Get it?

          • Sam

            Springsteen refused service to NC fans because he disagreed with their state’s sincerely held belief that men should use men’s restrooms and women should use women’s restrooms. Christian and muslim bakers should not be forced to bake cakes for events that violate their consciences.

          • Linda

            It’s not a matter of men in the men’s room and women in the women’s room; we’re discussing transgender men and women.

          • Sam

            We’re discussing people with deep-seated emotional problems. We’re also discussing how perverts will exploit these new laws, letting themselves into women’s restrooms claiming to be “transgender”.

          • Patrick

            mmmm7777 does not get it, and is way too dense to ever get it

          • Robert W Ryder

            God that was stupid!!#! Didn’t read the previous posts!!!#! Lol!!#! Can’t even waste time to set you straight on what you said!!#! Causee if you said that-!!, your too stupid to understand!!!#! 🙁 🙁 🙁

        • Steen Goddik

          The bakery operates under a permanent business license, which includes prohibition against discrimination. You didn’t know this?

          • mmmm7777

            Not sure what exactly is it that you are defending.. BS has a license to do concerts, etc.. He decided not to do his concert because he was against the ratification of the “existing law” that was in place when he decided to do the concert in NC and he decided to cancel 48 hours prior to the concert with an unchanged law. By the way, BS has performed in countries where homosexuality is repressed and at times has a dead penalty. Do you support BS knowing he has performed in these countries, if yes, then it is hypocrisy…

          • Dean Bruckner

            And the Constitution prohibits making laws that deny the free exercise of religion.

          • Steen Goddik

            Ah, it doesn’t for businesses. A city can still place requirements on a business license process. So once again, a fundie strawman argument died.

          • Dean Bruckner

            Their license stops where my religious free exercise starts, unless their regulation is the least restrictive means impinging on my religious free exercise.

          • Steen Goddik

            The US Supreme Court says otherwise, your armchair lawyering none withstanding.

        • darliegoddess .

          Slavery was a legally approved law.

      • intransit1

        Really. Is that why the people in NC can’t go?

        • Linda

          What is stopping them from going to a concert in SC? Really. Get it?

          • intransit1

            What is stopping the gay couple from going to another bakery? The baker still got sued. Your argument is a moot point, because its Springsteen who is standing up for someone whom he would have arrested if that person ever preyed on his own family. But it isn’t his family so it only matters that it affects people whom he really doesn’t care about. I’m not a fan and will not go to his concert. If he cancels his tour I will lose no sleep, as I’m sure he won’t lose any sleep over my opinion. But CHILDREN deserve to be protected. Some nut job already got caught raping a little girl in a bathroom because he “said” he felt like he was a woman. Springsteen is just a liberal whiner.

          • Steen Goddik

            The bakery broke the law they had agreed to in their business license. So they got sued.

          • bannedbymotherjones

            Your armchair lawyering matters little in the real world.

          • Steen Goddik

            But the real law matters, and has ruled multiple times that businesses must follow the rules of their business license. So there is no armchair lawyering here. No arguing against established law.

            Wow, your argument was pathetic. How old are you?

          • bannedbymotherjones

            Fascinating. So when you use that argument it’s fine, when someone else uses it it’s pathetic. I can tell you are a liberal – the double standards and hypocrisy are there for all to see.

            But do please provide some sort of evidence that the case was about following a law they agreed to in their business license.

          • Steen Goddik

            Portland had gender non-discrimination rules in place, involving gender and sexual orientation (Portland being a quite liberal place). The baker violated the law, and therefore got sued.

          • Dean Bruckner

            Last time I checked, Portland, Oregon is in the United States and is subject to the Constitution, which takes precedence over tyrannical tin-pot local dictators.

          • Steen Goddik

            And the US Constitution states that anti-discrimination laws are illegal? Oh darn it, there died your argument.

          • Dean Bruckner

            Where they prohibit the free exercise of religion, yes they are illegal.

          • Steen Goddik

            If your religion’s tenant is to discriminate and being a bigot, then you have a point. Does your religion require you to be a bigot? You must be with the KKK or Westboro Baptist Church.

          • bannedbymotherjones

            Of course anyone who dares to disagree with the almighty Steen must simply be a member of the KKK, the WBC, or some other hate group. /sarcasm because you obviously need the tag in place. Now run back to your safe space you lying bigoted troll. Yeah, I finally descended to your level… I figured it’s the only way to communicate with you.

          • bannedbymotherjones

            Local laws and state laws should not trump federal laws.

          • Steen Goddik

            And what federal law would trump this?

          • bannedbymotherjones

            The First Amendment of the Constitution of the United States that allows for freedom of Religion.

          • Steen Goddik

            But also disallows establishment of religion.

          • bannedbymotherjones

            Disallowed a GOVERNMENT-ESTABLISHED religion. Learn to read there Steen it will save you from being ridiculed and hurt and you’ll spend less time in your safe space snowflake.

          • Dean Bruckner

            And do not.

          • Dean Bruckner

            No, the weight of precedent is on the side of free exercise of religion, and on the least restrictive means.

          • Steen Goddik

            Ah, so therefore, the KKK are slowed to have slaves? Yes, I clearly remember the US Supreme Court ruling in their favor.

          • intransit1

            So the only rights that matter are the rights of a gay couple. The rest of us should just use our first amendment freedoms as toilet paper, because a liberal progressive court did! Our founding fathers would be so proud.

          • Steen Goddik

            Nope. The baker can be bigoted all day long. He just can’t violate his business license agreement of following local law. You seem very ignorant of what the 1st Amendment states. You might benefit from reading it again.

          • intransit1

            Yea thats the problem. Im igmorant of the 1st amendment. And of course you are a scholar who likes to call people bigots for dusagreeing with you. A true liberal.

          • Steen Goddik

            No, I call people bigots, when their claims and statemen’s are bigoted.

          • intransit1

            Gee how bigoted of you.

          • Dean Bruckner

            First amendment trumps business license regulations, unless it is adjudged the least restrictive means available. What can’t you understand about that?

          • Steen Goddik

            Now you are lying. The US Supreme Court has upheld local anti discrimination laws.

          • Dean Bruckner

            The government broke the law called the Constitution. Brad Avakian should be in an orange jumpsuit in federal prison.

          • Steen Goddik

            How was the US Constitution broken

          • Dean Bruckner

            Congress (and now the states and localities) shall make no law … prohibiting the free exercise [of religion]. Where a conflict exists, it must be the least restrictive [to those expressing a religious objection] means of achieving the state’s desired end.

            None of Brad Avakian’s rulings are the least restrictive means available. That would be sending the clients to another nearby bakery. Indeed, Avakian collaborated with LBGT activists to ensure that the penalties were the harshest he could possibly levy, to punish and crush the Kleins. When it came out that the had collaborated with these activists, he tried to cover it up. He is corrupt and vicious.

          • Steen Goddik

            So slavery is legal. Okay then.

          • David Ainsworth

            After reading your posts . . . .I am certain that in your deluded liberal mind you have set those “poor, pathetic, backward, ignorant people in NC straight” . . .lol, the mindset of the leftist liberals is simply amazingly warped. For example, many many of the leftist liberals I know are all for socialism, a form of government that has failed over and over, but yet, the liberal idiots (and yes I will call them idiots) seem to think they can pull it off . . . .such arrogance. People like you whine about intolerance, bigotry, prejudice, injustice, etc., but yet you practice the same toward anyone that disagrees with you, a double standard that you are blind to, or perhaps you are fully aware of it but yet continue to work to force your views on others . . .the very thing you say you hate. You people are like a virulent microbe that infects the whole organism.

          • Linda

            Poor David. The same silly crying about liberals that the average troll employs. Shoo, fly.

          • David Ainsworth

            Lol; so true to form, I expected nothing less than the response you gave . . .so predictable Linda. Having said that, we are both entitled to our opinions, views, and the freedom to express them . . .on that we can agree 🙂 At least we express our opinions, believe in what we believe and are willing to take action, like voting. Differences aside, hope you have a pleasant and productive day. take care

          • intransit1

            You can’t go to his concert in NC, so your statement is wrong. He was contracted to play there but he cancelled. Sorry, did you miss your point?

          • Linda

            The people in NC CAN go to another concert… Anywhere. No one is stopping them from going.

          • intransit1

            So in other words you dont see your own contradiction. Got it.

          • Dean Bruckner

            Exactly. And wedding customers CAN go to another bakery… Anywhere. No one is stopping them from going.

          • Linda

            Silly boy. I meant another Springsteen concert. Get it?

          • Steen Goddik

            Business licenses make the discrimination illegal. So your point is meaningless.

          • intransit1

            Personally I don’t care for BS so whatever, but I have heard his concerts aren’t cheap, so the people who bought a ticket to go got screwed. I’m guessing they can’t just hop a plane to his next venue that easily…unless someone like you is going to foot the bill for them. So your statement is pretty insulting to someone who paid bucks to see a concert in NC. I know SC isn’t that far, but that’s not the point. And how do you know who can and can’t afford to go see him in SC? What a silly statement.

            There was a time when I really wanted to go see a concert and had to save for months to afford it. Had it been cancelled I would have been out a lot of hard earned, saved up money. Some of these people might be in the same place. So spare us all this redundant argument about another concert. You don’t know what someone else can and can’t afford to do.

          • Linda

            The POINT is that no one is barring anyone from going to a BS concert.

            I’m sorry your reading comprehension skills are lacking.

          • intransit1

            Wow you really are out there. Got it.

          • Dean Bruckner

            What is stopping the wedding customers from going to another bakery? Really. Get it?

          • Linda

            You aren’t keeping up.

          • Linda

            Inconvenience? They live in a small town and there is no other bakery?

            Should a bakery be allowed to refuse to serve someone based on skin color?

          • Dean Bruckner

            So Gresham Oregon has only one bakery? Come now!

            And you played the race card. Red herring! We’re talking about homosexual marriage and letting adult males into bathrooms and shower rooms with little girls, unsupervised.

            Of course racial discrimination is evil, because humans are created by God. I’m glad we can agree on that. No other ethical system can say that. So we can also accept that God created humans male and female, one for the other. Thank you! I’m glad you see these two moral positions stand or fall together! Progress!

          • Steen Goddik

            We are not talking about letting adult males into bathrooms. We are talking about transgenders. Again, a lie on defense of bigotry. Pathetic.

          • Dean Bruckner

            Regardless of what transgenders do or don’t do, such laws as the ones Charlotte and Houston and New York tried to pass create a huge opening for pedophile men to say they are women and hang out in women’s and girls’ bathrooms and shower rooms. Anyone who objects to a man in a women’s or girls’ restroom is liable for hundreds of thousands of dollars in fines. In such a foolish environment, there can be no discretion or enforcement. ANY man who says he is a woman that day cannot be removed, cannot be challenged, and cannot be even objected to, on pain of hundreds of thousands of dollars in fines.

            I do not lie. You, on the other hand, do not speak the truth.

          • Steen Goddik

            Transgender women are not crossdressers. They don’t look like men, dressed up as women. They look exactly like women. But the biological women who are transgender men, they look like men, and now have to use women’s restroom. So male pedofiles don’t even have to wear a wig anymore. They look exactly like transgender men. So therefore they have EASIER access to women’s restrooms now. Your claim is false.

        • LJ Phoenix

          Yes, he’s refusing service to his NC fans for his beliefs because he doesn’t think businesses should be able to refuse service for their beliefs.

          • Dean Bruckner

            Spot on!

      • Rena

        He is denying service to them by refusing to commit to his agreement to do the concert he contracted with the arena/venue and the people who bought his tickets.

    • Matthew Capobianco

      Would you like me to decide descimination to you. Discrimination is purposefully appliing a double standard go marginalize a group of people. This would be like Bruce turning away Christians at the door. Rather hes protesting against the law and the state, not any one group of people.
      Also peolpe need to stop acting like this is about flower shops and bakeries. This law is significant becuase anyone can refuse to provide service regardless. Would you feel safe if a surgan could refuse to treat you?

      • bannedbymotherjones

        He did. He discriminated against an entire group of people over a law he does not like.

        • Steen Goddik

          Your armchair lawyering matters little in the real world.

          • bannedbymotherjones

            Nor does yours but here we are anyway.

      • Dean Bruckner

        It depends on whose ox is being gored, doesn’t it? (Trigger alert: Biblical allusion).

      • Dean Bruckner

        Actually, a surgeon CAN refuse to treat a patient in some circumstances. That’s why the medical profession is called a profession! That’s where the professional is expected to weigh competing demands and make an ethical decision, guided by the code of ethics of the profession.

        If someone asks for her arm to be chopped off because she feels it is not part of her body, then DARN RIGHT the surgeon will refuse, because it is not medically necessary and would harm the individual.

        If an angry, incoherent young man wants to buy a gun and ammunition, the gun shop owner can refuse to do so to prevent some act of evil. This happened two weeks ago in my town, and the gun shop owner was called a HERO.

        If a gay couple wants a Christian baker to bake them a cake for a so-called same-sex marriage ceremony, and the Christian baker knows–based on her religious belief–that such a ceremony and her participation in it will harm them spiritually, and maybe irrevocably so, she can legally, morally and ethically refuse to do so. She will still treat them kindly and with the same gentleness and respect she gives to anyone, but she won’t help them harm themselves or others.

        People think that they can declare themselves and their relationships to be anything they want, and it’s no harm, no foul. That’s just not so! The Creator, who created men and women and the most intimate human relationship between them–lifelong monogamy and commitment, forsaking all others–still holds the title to every part of this creation. We can’t go do any old thing with his creation and get away with it. He will call the loan eventually, and then there will be h#ll to pay, both in this life and in the life to come.

        I can’t force you to do the right thing, but you can’t force me to do the wrong thing. I’d rather die.

    • mac6298

      Great point. Won’t go over well, but really a good point lol

    • Nola_Fire

      Liberals will never see it both ways. Only their view counts. Kinda like Hitler, Stalin and a few others.

    • GraciE

      Can you see a difference between someone refusing to serve the same cake they make for everyone vs refusing to make a special cake that isn’t something they typically make? If a gay couple wants the same cake as a straight couple and a baker refuses it’s discrimination. If a gay couple wants a giant rainbow penis cake and the baker doesn’t do that typically and refuses then it’s not discrimination, it’s a business choice. Springsteen isn’t turning away people with NC drivers licenses to his concerts, he’s choosing not offer his services in a certain location. Like a food truck deciding not to attend a fair. When they do serve the public they can’t turn away people who just want to buy what everyone else does but they can pick their location

      • Dean Bruckner

        So who are you to say that baking a giant p#nis cake sufficiently violates my religious belief, but furnishing a cake, a work of my personal art, for a so-called same-sex marriage ceremony, does not sufficiently violate my religious belief? That the First Amendment applies in the first but not in the second? This is even more true when “you” is the government, with the power to bankrupt, imprison or kill me (or all three)! That is the very purpose of the First Amendment–to get the government OUT of dictating what religion is and isn’t.

        How is forcing me to bake a cake that violates my religious belief (slavery), or levying ruinous fines (poverty) the “least restrictive means” of accomplishing your objective? That’s the appropriate test for adjudicating conflicts of religious liberty with other social goods. It’s not. It’s merely a means to crush a religious belief that people use who do not want to be reminded of the weight pressing on their violated consciences.

        “Inside every liberal is a totalitarian screaming to get out.” — David Horowitz

    • Carolina Reaper

      You know he refused his service BECAUSE of the Christian bakers etc? If those discrimination laws weren’t passed, he still would have done his show. I’m a firm believer in this law and I’m from North Carolina, but I believe that Bruce is in his right to call off the show. You’ve got it the wrong way round buddy.

      • darliegoddess .

        I would not admit that citizenship.

    • honesttoGod

      For your analogy to work, Christian bakers, etc., would not just withhold services against those who violate their “deeply held religious beliefs” they would provide no services at all (since Springsteen is, in effect, closing down his concert business in NC over the law). That is, if they refuse to serve some members of the public, they should refuse to serve any– if they can’t abide the rules they live under, they should do what Bruce did and close up shop.

    • JoeBroe

      Again, these are the whining children who when it does not go their way, they rant and scream. What has “liberty” come to when corporations and such punish because their belief is different. Their way of thinking is right, not yours. You must think like us or you will be punished.

    • Patrick

      Not if they want to continue being Christians, they can’t. But nice try, attempting to gain the moral and legal right to be dicks.

      • Dean Bruckner

        How is protecting an innocent child being a … what you said? How did liberals get so confused so their view of evil and good is exactly backwards?

    • John R.

      Shouldn’t a Jewish baker be able to refuse to bake a cake that has “Heil Hitler” and a swastika on it? Or should a black caterer not be able to turn down a catering job for a White Power wedding out in the swamps?

      I’ve never understood the ferocity with which people attack small businesspeople for often operating with their conscience.

    • h m rowland

      What makes no sense is why would any self respecting gay go to a str8 for anything creative or extraordinary? I mean a str8 decorator can match the sofa with the drapes but who wants to live in a Sears catalog ? Please, you folks think way too much of yourselves ! If ya wanna hear the purest jazz ya don’t go to Whitetown. Many blessings

      • Dean Bruckner

        So Kenny G isn’t pure jazz? Say it ain’t so!

        Seriously, why can’t we solve this issue just like this…you shop to get what you want. If the first artist doesn’t want to be part of your art project, fine, go to another. Meanwhile, when I shop for a moral world view of marriage and sexuality that works down the generations, you’ll understand why I won’t be taking advice or direction from gays. No disrespect meant, but it’s my evaluation of the state of the marketplace of ideas.

        BTW, I don’t think “we folks” think too much of ourselves. It’s just hard to ignore vicious, corrupt and tyrannical administrative judge Brad Avakian seizing the Klein’s life savings ($135,000) in the dark of night, and trying to force them into a “reeducation” program reminiscent of the Communists, for the Kleins merely politely but firmly exercising their religion freely. It’s hard not to think, “I could be next.” So, no thanks for trivializing a growing and real risk for people of faith, but the rest of your comment I can live with. You know, tolerate.

    • theghostwriter

      Bruce isn’t “refusing service,” He’s boycotting the state of NC, as is his right. He doesn’t like what’s going on there, so he decided not to do business there. The self-professed Christians have the SAME right: no one is forcing them to do business in NC (or anywhere else). Now, let’s say Bruce Springsteen decided to play in NC, but said he was going to refuse to let “Christians” into his show. THAT would be the equivalent to refusing service to gay people. Do you get it now? Is that dumbed down enough for you?

      • Dean Bruckner

        Distinction without a difference. But if you want to call it a boycott, fine. Boycotting so-called same s#x wedding events is fine with you, then. I’m glad we agree.
        The bakers, florists and photographers all served gay and straight clients equally, but could not take part in so-called gay marriage events.

        • theghostwriter

          Wrong again. It’s a distinction with a HUGE difference.

          Let’s say Bruce had announced that he WAS going to play this show, but he wasn’t going to let Christians or conservatives attend the show.

          THAT would be discrimination.

          If a cake maker or photographer doesn’t like NC laws and doesn’t want to do business in NC because of those laws, that is totally fine.

          You either understand this difference and are pretending not to understand it, or you really are too dumb to understand it.

    • tamathapeacock@gmail.com

      Well said right on.

      • theghostwriter

        No, it’s not “well said,” it’s just stupid. It shows a basic misunderstanding of what words like “refusing service” even mean. Did Bruce play a concert but say that only certain people could attend? Of course not.

    • The point is not to take a million steps backwards in the direction of intolerance. We are opening the door to have those who don’t truly think for themselves and follow those who they think are smarter than they are, to practice prejudice in a new form. I liken all of this to the atrocities of segregation and what happened to blacks based on the fact that the example is one everyone can understand was an extreme form of ostracizing and prejudice which stems from these types of thoughts. How can we make it seem as if we are standing up for our own rights while in the same breath violating the rights of someone else. Think about it. It has the same flavor and ingredients as racism.

      • Dean Bruckner

        Danette,

        I couldn’t agree more. We are indeed “opening the door to have those who don’t truly think for themselves and follow those who they think are smarter than they are, to practice prejudice in a new form.” Under the false and unlawful interpretation of the Civil Rights Act forced on us by the Obama administration, child molesters do now have an open door to indulge their compulsions, without thinking of the grave consequences to themselves and their victims. They will indeed follow the dangerous guidelines of the Obama administration, most of whom are Harvard and Yale grads (some of whom refuse to release their mediocre transcripts, but discussing President Obama is a topic for another time), which states that grown, adult, biological, fully functioning males have a perfect right to shower with 10-year old girls. It will soon become a duty, to have a full-grown man shower with little girls everywhere.

        You are absolutely right…that certainly is prejudice in a new form, prejudice against the family, against women, against girls, against every parent who wants their child to preserve her innocence as long as possible in this wicked society. Allowing child predators into girls’ shower rooms is indeed an extreme form of ostracizing (for girls terrified to enter the girls’ restrooms and locker rooms) and prejudice that stems from these types of wicked thoughts.

        We do have to think long and deeply about how to stand up for the rights of all humans without in the same breath violating the rights of little, beautiful, defenseless, trusting girls who are the perfect target for predators that the Obama administration has loosed on them. If a concerned citizen challenges such a predator in New York city, the fine is $250,000.00. Can you pay that? I can’t. That is much worse than racism, because it puts perversion and predation into the mainstream and paralyzes every protective instinct of the population of America.

        You are right indeed, exactly on point. Thanks for commenting!

        • This is THE most ridiculous, asinine response I’ve ever heard coming from, an obviously, highly intelligent human being. I hate to say it but you are an idiot who us very articulate and educated and I resent the insinuations that anyone would do the things you and many others have dreamed of in your wild imaginations. I’m still waiting for the incidents like this to begin making the news. Not 1 yet. But people have been dragged out of bathrooms while using it to under the guise of people trying to protect the innocent from these so-called child molesters. People who think like you and believe their own wild imaginations are what’s most dangerous in our society and will never cosign stupidity!!!!!

          • Dean Bruckner

            Wait no longer, Dannette! Search for “Top Twenty-Five Stories Proving Target’s Pro-Transgender Bathroom Policy Is Dangerous to Women and Children” and read it and weep!

          • Dean Bruckner

            Methinks you need a new news feed too!

  • BRILLIANT! ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT! (He shouts and screams with violent applause) Extremely well thought out. Succinct and incisive! BRAVO!

    • Gayle Schermerhorn

      I concur!

  • GreggandDonna Peck

    In as much as I am able to empathize, I get it that the transgender community is suffering much hurt and rejection. I do not understand at all why this causes them so much pain to use the same toilet they’ve used their whole life before the confusion began. It’s just a bodily function, not a stage to gain consent or accolades. Just use the toilet that causes the least argument….. Or is this really about much much more. Everyone has there fight that they’re pushing. It is confusing because , in the opinion of many,there is no common truth for all to live by. In a world where we are all just products of evolution with no inherent value, all opinions are equal. The truth is, no matter much the politcally correct movement does to assist the weak, they refuse the only real help there is for all…. To be loved and healed by their creator. To accept His guidelines for His creation and be cleansed by the love of Jesus. I pray that Christians learn to love our brothers and sisters in humanity and show them true love that sets them free.

    • Matthew Capobianco

      It’s not about what bathroom they are in its who they share that bathroom with. Transgender individuals are more likely to suffer abuse and sexual assault, especially transgender woman. So its important for their security, to allow them to no use those bathrooms.

      • Larry Scott

        You really believe that drivel you are spewing? Where did they go before? I haven’t heard much about all these assaults you seem to think are going on

  • Sherluck

    Ticket sales were very slow, so he had to find a way to save face.

    • fifthdentist

      Yeah, right. Keep telling yourself that. I’m sure Hank Williams Jr. will be drunk and playing some tiny club somewhere near you sometime. Have fun with all the other people missing half their teeth.

      • Dave Martina

        Oh the irony . . .

      • Rich Rochester

        From Merriam-Webster, Bigot: a person who strongly and unfairly dislikes other people, ideas, etc. : a bigoted person; especially : a person who hates or refuses to accept the members of a particular group (such as a racial or religious group)

      • bannedbymotherjones

        So what does Hank Williams Jr have to do with anything? Or was that some lame attempt at an insult?

    • Linda

      Right, that’s why people are so pissed off about it.

  • LibertyforAll

    Bruce has already made millions so its easy for him to make this choice.

  • rolfman

    What does a predator look like? Like Congressman Dennis Hastert, like Senator Larry Craig, Rep Mark Foley? It is not about bathrooms, it is about discrimination, just like voter ID laws are about preventing people from voting. This is incredibly poorly thought out open letter, just bake the cake, and leave the people alone.

    • John Black

      If you are going to vote you need to have a government ID…..you have to be insanely stupid to think otherwise. You are correct rolfman, we are trying to keep people from voting. We are trying to keep people from voting that are not supposed to be voting! Twist it…..call it racist, or anything else you wish to call it but it is lunacy to think otherwise.

    • Me too

      You Sir?Madam, are an idiot. Predators come in all packages, but at least if you saw a male enter a female rest room it might set off an alarm. Besides, everyone is not and should not be guaranteed everything they FEEL they deserve. To make laws that serve minute populations is asinine. You mention “leave the people alone”. What about leaving the people alone that have enough common sense to know you can’t legislate all aspects of life.

    • Larry Scott

      Tell me when it became the right of you to force me to do business with you? If I own a business I don’t give up my right to associate with whoever I please. There were other bakeries in that town, why did they pick that one? I know the answer and you should too

      • fiona64

        You can look up public accommodation laws on your own time.

        • bannedbymotherjones

          Gee yet another question you can’t answer. Why bother to comment at all fiona? To ask yet again because it apparently bothers you Tell me when it became the right of you to force me to do business with you? If I own a business I don’t give up my right to associate with whoever I please. There were other bakeries in that town, why did they pick that one?

    • jeff harris

      You have been watching to much lib TV. Why as a business owner do I not have the right to serve whomever I want.
      Is it stupid yes but illegal no way. I can hire whom I want and sell to whom I want. As an owner I am out to make $$$
      why should I care but the law cant tell me who to serve

    • bannedbymotherjones

      What does a predator look like? Like Congressman Dennis Hastert, like Senator Larry Craig, Rep Mark Foley?

      Or like Bill Clinton or Anthony Weiner.

      It is not about bathrooms, it is about discrimination,…

      Really? So the argument CANNOT be made that a law put into place to allow transgender people to use whichever bathroom they identify with would also help some perv cross-dressing and going into a bathroom in a gym or a pool to watch kids while hiding behind this law? Is that what you are saying?

      …just like voter ID laws are about preventing people from voting.

      There is not a single shred of evidence that supports this and there is in fact evidence that shows that voter ID laws do not a thing to deter voters from voting. In fact in Wisconsin which recently enacted those horrible Voter ID laws the turnout for the primaries has hit an all-time high. In fact it was said that voter turnout hadn’t been that high since the 1970s.

      This is incredibly poorly thought out open letter,…

      No, the letter was quite well thought out. Your post on the other hand not so much.

      …just bake the cake, and leave the people alone.

      If you are referring to the baker that had their business sued into oblivion because they refused to be present at a ceremony that violated their religious beliefs what you fail to comprehend is that with a wedding cake there are usually last minute on-site adjustments that take place.

  • Susan Davis

    I have read the bill. It is NOT just about bathrooms..THIS is what disturbs me…and I mean REALLY DISTURBS ME! The bill has hidden agendas in it and our government should have separated several issues in that bill. I am against trans gender bathrooms period. If you have a penis, use the bathroom designated for penis peeing. If you have a vajaja…you go in the vagina bathroom. Please take time to read the bill and realize what your government has been doing to you for decades…DECADES PEOPLE! They hide secondary, third and as much as 15 or 16 OTHER hidden agendas that a corporation has paid them to to do. So many “bills” and laws are based on a bad (un-Constitutional and oppressive) laws with all manner of hidden agendas and loopholes put there over time by self-serving bureaucrats that keep harmful federal and state politicians in power. Just ONE EXAMPLE :The BLM (Bureau of Land Management) Is A FEDERAL agency…salaries paid by you. Before Congress approved the 1971 act, tens of thousands of wild horses were rounded up, killed and used to make pet food. And even long after the protections were put in place — in the 1980s and 1990s — adopters, including BLM employees, were reportedly taking in wild horses for about $125 a head and then selling them to slaughter for a profit.In October, the U.S. Department of Agriculture’s Inspector General’s Office found that nearly 1,700 wild horses were illegally sent to slaughter between 2009 and 2012 through a “kill buyer” in Colorado. The inspector general said that in allowing the horses to be sold for slaughter, the BLM “failed to follow its own policy,” violating the federal law.

    The Associated Press reported in April 2014 that horse advocates were incensed after the BLM rounded up a herd that had roamed for decades on federal land in Wyoming and turned the animals over to state officials, who later sold them to a Canadian slaughterhouse. The BLM defended the sale, saying the feral herd was made up of abandoned animals, not official wild horses protected under federal law.
    REALLY? ABANDONED ANIMALS? They live in herds in the wild. OMG. Abandoned by whom? Idiots!

    Then you have a wolf law that I won’t even go into because the bill passed is BS.

    • Fishintx

      If there’s hidden agenda in the bill how do you know? Either it’s hidden or it’s not.
      hidden
      adjective
      : not seen or known
      : not easily found or recognized

      • sandflea

        She is correct in saying there’s more to the bill than just this. There are five parts to the bill. Part I pertains to the bathroom agenda. Parts II through V cover other agendas.

        • Fishintx

          So I’m confused are there other parts to the bill or are they hidden. Susan stated they were hidden, from your post it sounds like they’re not. If the point was there are too many issues attached together I may agree. I like many am sick of politicians taking a popular issue and attaching unpopular issues to it. But lets not be disingenuous about it.

  • Kathi Mealey Brown

    There is a psychological disorder where the person identifies as an amputee. They feel they were meant to be without an arm, or without legs etc. Are we to assume that because they identify as such that it should be so, and start chopping off limbs? It is considered a mental issue, and they are promptly sent to therapy to try to cure this. Can someone please explain the difference between this and gender identity issues to me? I honestly do not get it.

    • Matthew Capobianco

      Unlike BIID, a transgender’s intention to change does not involve self harm, and conversely people’s desire treat them does not come from a desire to help them, but rather to impose one’s religion on another.

      • It does not involve self-harm? Nonsense. The self-mutilation involved in the vain attempt to alter one’s physical gender is very much self-harm–not to mention that it never satisfies the individual, and frequently leads to suicide once the poor sufferer has discovered that altering their physiology does not affect their inner angst even a little bit.

        As to “imposing one’s religion,” no, sir, it is not my religion that declares a physical male to be male or a physical female to be female: it is the knowledge of science, that tells us that roughly 4 TRILLION cells in the person’s body all carry the genetic marks of that person’s gender, regardless of what that individual’s abnormal psychology declares.

        • Some guy

          Prove it.

        • Matthew Capobianco

          It’s not self mutalation. Blinding yourself, cutting off your hand is self mutalation. Getting Gender Reassigment Surgury is not self mutalation. Now if you think thats why transgender commit suicide, then maybe you forgot about the amount of transgender people who are victims of assault and rape.

    • fiona64

      Yet another one who thinks that gender lives in the genitals and not the brain. So very sad.

      • bannedbymotherjones

        So you cannot answer her question so you attempt to call her out. Stay classy fiona.

      • jeff harris

        Wow what a stupid statement. genitalia is in fact the determining factor of gender. PERIOD

    • Some guy

      So your question is “why do psychologists agree that wanting to cut off your limbs is a psychological disorder, but they don’t agree that being transgender is a psychological disorder (which we know from reading the article)?”

      The answer is simple: it isn’t a psychological disorder. And if it was, psychologists would have figured it out.

    • docbob

      But seriously, if you really have an interest in the subject, why not go to a library…maybe one at a medical school or college where psychology is taught beyond the basic level…and educate yourself. The internet has many false turns and you certainly can’t expect to have a complex subject like sexuality/gender identity be explained on a thread appending to a blog post.

    • Anninfrisco

      Just like an anorexic thinks/feels she is fat. Looking at her, it is obvious she is way too thin. Should we just allow these people to starve themselves because of what they think or feel?

  • Riker

    dear Bryan Adams, what about the millions of natural born girls & women that do not want to share a bathroom with a natural born man? What about their civil rights?

    • Some guy

      Because the extremely miniscule, afterthought right that you think is so important here is apparently way more important than lessening social pressure on the individuals who are driven to suicide because of how society treats them.

      Convince me that these people and their preferences are a greater strain to living life to its fullest, to a greater extent than ostracizing people who are already heavily ostracized in society, and I might agree with you.

    • mamiel

      So you prefer to share a bathroom with some one who looks 100% male but was born with a vagina? Just checking. Because that’s what this law does

  • Sherluck

    Bruce just wants to be able to go into the bathroom with his grand daughter without raising suspicion.

  • Michael Brown argues well, but he commits an error that I truly wish American Christians would stop committing:

    He is far, far too polite.

    Bruce Springsteen is not to be commended for “putting morality before money.” He’s a posturing, unthinking dupe of Progressives, who always consider their ideology more important than anything else, certainly more important than anybody else’s feelings, beliefs, convictions, or intentions. He is joining in the bullying in which Progressives are increasingly engaging. He should be slapped, and slapped hard.

    Most American Christians consider it their obligation to be polite, even loving, toward their adversaries. I do understand the obligation to love; but I do not agree that that entails speaking to the foolish as though they were not fools, nor speaking to evil men as though they were not committing evil. I think perhaps we would not have arrived at this critical juncture in America if Christians had confronted evil in more forthright and accurate terms, rather than pretending that evil fools deserved some reasonable answer other than a slap across the face.

    • Some guy

      Just so you know, I did disagree with you, but I was willing to at least talk it out and see where we arrived. Now that I see you want to slap me just for having an opinion other than yours, I just lost all interest in discussion. If it’s the mission of Christians to bring people to the faith, you just accomplished the exact opposite of that.

      But please do bring up this idea of slapping your ideological opponents at your next bible study and see how many people agree with you there.

      • Ron

        not if you are a Repub. Christian.. Those seem to live under their self interpreted Bible.

    • Stephen E. Smith

      Yikes…..Bruce Springsteen has gone from a respected, genuine artist and a piece of Americana to an evil dupe?…. according to you? because he spoke up? Do you still hate the Beatles for being more popular than Jesus, do you hate the Stones for worshipping satan?…..don’t stop listening to your Donnie Osmond albums….and for the record..I’m being polite!

    • docbob

      Yeah. Imagine. Those evil abolitionists. And suffragettes. Let’s all yearn in unison for those good old days when Christians confronted evil head on, every day.

  • jack graham

    Shut up and sing

  • mmmm7777

    Should people in NC massively sue Bruce Springsteen (BS) for denying service to loving people wanting to go to his concert? BS bigotry against the people of NC is massive where the only thing they did was to vote for a resolution in a legal way, one that was won (again in a legal way) Not only that, but these people are now
    distressed because BS actions can potentially damage them when BS is promoting the destruction of the state.. .. this has definitely caused tremendous damage and stress to the lives not only of people going to the concert,
    but people that were not going to it but can now have detrimental economic situations due to BS initiative…
    So if denying a $100 cake to a gay couple created a fine of about $100 k
    for emotional damages, let’s imagine 1000 people sue BS for the same
    reasons at $100k each, this would be a total of $100 million dollars in emotional damages.
    Come on big Lawyer firms, you must be loving just thinking about this possibility…

    • Rich Rochester

      BS is just not that important.

      • mmmm7777

        It ould create a precedent againt the boycots from BS or Pay Pal, or Coca Cola or Disney, etc… Only way to defend from them using their own tactics…

    • stltchr

      So you are saying Bruce denied his services based on the religious beliefs of others…Were there any straights celebrating their wedding?

      • mmmm7777

        Not based on religious beliefs of others. Based on his own beliefs.. He is against the NC law, therefore he decided to deny services to NC residents based on his believes of what should be the NC law. Same as the Christian couple that denied the cake based on their beliefs and the court sided with the gay couple and gave them a huge compensation based on the laws in place.. same thing..

  • sandflea

    I spent 35 years in NC. I worked with several transgenders over the years. They went in the same restrooms as I did, at work and when we all went out together after work. Nobody ever raised a stink about it. What changed?

    • Sherluck

      NC must be a hotbed of transgenders.

    • Redbird25

      Because you’re an idiot.

      • sandflea

        Lmao!

    • Ron

      what changed? we have a self proclaimed Christian party that want’s you to live under their terms.

      • sandflea

        That has ALWAYS been there. NC is in the Bible Belt.

  • Jerry Pait

    Like Oprah’s career died after endorsing Obama, so will yours, Springsteen, for not siding with those who care about their wife and children. You have now endorsed all the perverts and perversions of the world.

    • Some guy

      I think Oprah’s career died because it’s not the 90s.

    • Linda

      You are not familiar with the HB2. Read it so you don’t continue to look ignorant.

  • Joshua Landry

    This is a great example of what america, and other nations, do all the time. Twist facts and ideas to justify injustice.

    There is a problem here that no one is pointing out. A lot of people seem afraid that something is going to happen to women and children if a trans person is in the same restroom as them. Their solution is to pass laws to make them safe while disregarding to already existent laws of don’t assault women and children. If someone has the goal of assaulting or exporting women and children in the restroom this law does nothing to stop it. if you really want to make people safe then you should be looking at the regulations of what is required for a bathroom. you should make the stalls and bathrooms far more secure and private or a hall with a lot of individual bathrooms with locking doors, but no because that’s not really your problem. This story talks about a 6’4″ football player that now identifies as a female and talks about the trauma to a little girl that sees her walk into the bathroom. Now I ask you, from where does that trauma come from? is it because this large person is in the restroom or from mommy and daddy and preacher man saying this person is evil and only wants to rape you? It a 6’4″ tall woman built like a football player but born a woman walked in would said child still feel that trauma? Also why has there been no talk of a young boy standing at the urinal taking a leak and a beautiful woman walks in that just happens to be born male, what about his trauma? or is this, just like with everything else, “boys like that” or “boys don’t count”? I don’t get you people.

    • Michael Mathis

      The first time a mom has to try to explain to her little girl in a public pool why that “woman” over there “has a pee pee like her baby brother”, you know the damage is done and the logic for passing the NC laws is vindicated! It’s like the child who spoke up and stated….”But mommy the emperor is naked”! You got that…psychopath brain!!?

      • James

        Trans men have used the women’s room, and women the men’s, ever since the surgery became possible, and so have transvestites. This bill just blew the lid off it.
        And that’s really classy of you, resorting to personalities and ad hominem attack.

        • Michael Mathis

          I’m not worried about being classy, I’m worried about our children and our nation’s slide into depravity….so I’ll call a spade a spade when I see it. How ya doin’, Spade!?

      • Linda

        Do you know that we don’t see one another’s genitals in the ladies room? I’m 55, and have yet to see anything close to “private” in a public restroom.

        • Michael Mathis

          I said a public pool as in changing area you social psychopath!

    • bannedbymotherjones

      Great job on twisting the facts! Perfect example of your point! It’s NOT about transgender people. it’s about the perv who with the law that was – and let me remind you of this – legally voted down by the citizens who could have used this law to claim being transgender and being empowered by this law to go into a RR when the swim team is changing. This could be a dude wanting to check out young girls or a chick wanting to check out young dudes. Right now as thin as it is there is still the law to keep a few of the more honest ones in check. Personally I do not see the issue with transgender people using a single stall unisex RR – heck I’d rather use that one to be honest rather than be in a RR with a bunch of other dudes doing their business.

      One of the major problems is that this is erroneously being labeled as some sort of attack on transgender people and no one wants to hear otherwise. Just like with many issues here lately.

      • mac6298

        Why can’t they just get their own bathroom? Women, Mens and Transgender?

  • James

    Weasel-worded and intentionally misleading. Plus, you deliberately fail to address the provision to forbid anyone from bringing ANY kind of discrimination suit in their own person, or the provisions to deny employees of government subcontractors overtime pay and any and all wage-hours protection like lunch or bathroom breaks.

    • Redbird25

      You miss his point completely, you moron.

      • Ron

        he’a moron for disagreeing with you.. Who’s the moron? I’m not a moron if I agree with you?? Is that what I’m hearing you say?

      • James

        No, red, I got his point completely. He wants to validate his own bigotry by doing the sidestep. You can fall for it if you want. I choose not to.

    • Michael Mathis

      Hey weasel brain…using your logic, you might as well have criticized the writer for not weaving a cogent argument for reparations as well into the article

      • James

        Yeah, MM doesn’t read the bill but feels free to read INTO my reply his OWN pet bigotry. I have to LIVE here, and HB2 has ALREADY ruined my home city and is losing NC a $5.8 BILLION trade show. That is ONE result out of hundreds.

        • Michael Mathis

          Money over Morals? Psychopaths think that way! “The love of money is the root of all evil” It certainly explains Hillary and the Democrats…Bernie has a point about “big money” affecting his fellow Democrats! Moral people can play the economic game as well…as in all the southern Baptists refusing to go to the NBA games held in Charlotte…or the football games if the NFL wants to throw its weight around. The Chic Filet issue was a big backfire for the LGBT psychos….Apple yells about the laws while selling product in Iran….The marketers need every buyer they can get; should they wish to take sides…well the buyers can, too!

      • miyaspark

        My friend is an Electrician in NC. Know how much that hurts his business too? The fact people pull their business away pulls away tourism and need for things to function like they do. It’s a domino effect on your community and state.

  • Some guy

    Let me point out a few things.

    1) The “how do you make laws based on feelings” point…you don’t. You don’t make laws on feelings. You posted lots of assertions in this article, and no evidence, so you know what that makes your opinion on the matter? A “feeling”. And you don’t make laws based on that. You leave the laws alone.

    2) You basically said “here’s a really offensive and unproven assertion that transgender people have psychological disorders, and my rationale for it being true is that science didn’t prove it false.” This basically speaks for itself as a dishonest, misleading use of facts.

    3) Where’s your evidence that a child will be “traumatized” by seeing a man in a wig in the women’s room and not just curious about it?

    4) Do you not realize that this law will put people who dress like men, talk like men, look like men, and are basically a man in every form except for what’s printed on the birth certificate, into the women’s bathroom? All of the talk about how people will react is moot when you realize that with OR without this law, the “wrong” people are still going to show up in your bathroom, so why even bother with this law?

    • Michael Mathis

      Another social psychopath refusing to look at the science…instead arguing for feelings and not genetic reality!

      • Some guy

        You could actually try to respond intelligently, if you wanted. Or continue to make your side look as hateful and ignorant as it already is. Your choice.

        • Michael Mathis

          “Your side…Our side”? What side is it that you think I make look as “ignorant and hateful” ?According to whom? Who is “our audience”? A chorus of transcendent angels? Where is your “Bible” that I might look upon it and see myself ignorant and hateful?! Is Darwin alive, that he should judge me? How about Marx? Perhaps Springsteen can sing you to sleep at night!

      • Kathleen Flaherty

        You’re an angry man. Too angry to be able to converse without insults. I would like to point out to you, however, that medical studies are showing a genetic difference in individuals who are transgender. While I am assuming you won’t accept anything other than your simple-minded view of the world, I thought I’d question your “genetic reality”.

        • Michael Mathis

          If you read anger into my statements, then you are projecting your own anger in response to my statements! No, there has not been a statistical reliable study showing repeated genetic irregularities(in the same pattern) that show up in transgendered people. (in other words a repeated irregular sequence that shows up all transgendered folks). There are psychologists that have been speaking out strongly regarding gender dysphoria that often disappears with support and reinforcement of the patient’s biological reality! As for exceptions to science, even scientists will tell you that exceptions never make the rule over general reality, or what is normal in the main!

        • Michael Mathis

          Occam’s Razor…the scientific standard…a scientist once quipped, means “keep it simple stupid….the most direct path often is the right one. The more endangled the emotional arguments, the more shrouded the truth! Occam’s razor…probably much too simple a concept for such an enlightened one such as you to understand! Occam’s razor….developed by a religious friar!

    • ChristopherRaff

      To piggyback on point 3. Is the author really going to assert that he never had to take his daughter(s) into the men’s restroom? I know I have to take my daughter rather frequently and she never seems very traumatised by it. I was surely never traumatised by having to go to the woman’s restroom with my mother.

    • USMC and America proud

      On your point 2… look it up! The ‘real’ scientific research shows this as a mental problem, and NOT a real human condition!
      As to point 3? How ’bout we look at Seattle, where a man walks into a women’s swimming facility and gym, strips off all his clothes, and lies down in a chase lounge in front of preteen girls! They ran to their moms, complaining, and the local government told them they couldn’t do anything about it, so now the gym has lost customer base because the moms are NOT coming back! Oh, by the way, there is no proof that the man was or was not ‘transgender’!
      I am a man who uses common sense! If you don’t have female equipment, you are not a female, and do not belong naked in front of my daughter! If you want to remove your equipment and think you’re a girl? Sorry, you’re still a male, and not welcome in the same room as my daughter and wife! Any ‘scientists’ that want to make the sick feel better about themselves? You’re not welcome in her restroom either, unless you have the proper equipment!
      North Carolinas majority of residents don’t want a male in a female locker room, and if you don’t like the fact that we MADE our representatives pass that law? Great!! Stay out of NC, and have a nice day….elsewhere!

      • Some guy

        Point 2 isn’t about research, it’s about how the author says there is no research to prove him wrong, so he asserts that he’s right, and that’s extremely dishonest, especially for a supposedly professional article.

        Want to show me the research? Sorry but you can’t just say “the research exists; look it up!” Mostly I’m highly skeptical that you would cite actual, legitimate, peer-reviewed research. The right’s track record on science is remarkably horrible.

        As for the rest, you’re basically just rattling off a bunch of statements with the expectation that we should just buy into it without thinking. I prefer to think about why a rule is in place, not just take it at face value.

        • Joseph Robert Kennedy

          My research is personal experience. The transgender people I’ve known have been crazy in more ways than one. They were prone to emotional freak shows and extreme expressions of violence. Constant drama and all of them were druggies too.

          • Steen Goddik

            Ah, unsubstantiated anecdote as evidence. How much of it is a lie? All of it? 90%?

          • Joseph Robert Kennedy

            Says the anonymous blind nobody. GFY. Oh yah you do that all the time.

          • Steen Goddik

            🙂

          • Joseph Robert Kennedy

            Says the anonymous blind nobody.

          • Steen Goddik

            Dang, stop talking to the mirror.

          • Joseph Robert Kennedy

            I know what I know. Substantiate that.

          • Steen Goddik

            Lol, yes, your personal beliefs as”fact.” Anecdotes are not evidence.

          • Joseph Robert Kennedy

            Listen ding dong. Personal experience is not “belief” or philosophy. OK now FO you POS.

          • Steen Goddik

            Wow, you are dumb. Your “experience” is affected by your beliefs and biases. Therefore anecdotes are not reliable

          • Joseph Robert Kennedy

            Just FO already. You butt hurt troll POS.

          • Joseph Robert Kennedy

            OK I get it. You have my sympathy. Now take your meds and go see your head doctor right away. LOL.

          • Steen Goddik

            Ah, you ran out of arguments. Okay then …

          • Joseph Robert Kennedy

            Wrong again….I simply would like to stop wasting my time arguing with you. You are a one way street with a dead end.

          • Joseph Robert Kennedy

            Stop wasting time trolling and applying your childish mandates. I already told you that I have known a few trannies or gender benders in my day….every single one was completely mental. Apparently including you.

          • Steen Goddik

            You think I am transsexual? What gave you that idea? Oh, of course. Being a bigot, you can’t imagine anybody standing with transgenders against bigoted bullies like you, unless they are transgender themselves? What a narrow mind you have. And it is more and more clear, that the completely mental one is you.

          • Lenny Woodson

            Listen Chump, you do EXACTLY the same thing with people all the time. You are in fact the KING of making assumptions and pigeon holi g people simply because of a statment they make. I support a christian point of view once and you pegged me as what you call a “christofacist”.

            I’m an atheist.
            You’re a hypocrite, Chump.

      • miyaspark

        Who’s going to enforce this bathroom law? LOL When you can’t even spot the people you’re after???? What you gonna check their genitalia before they come into a private stall???? What if their ID says otherwise?

  • Laura Marbut Applegarth Robert

    Bravo, sir. Wonderful article.

  • Freedom Guy

    Excellent piece but tools of fascism like Springsteen and his rebel rockin’ comrades don’t hear logic; they don’t care about the truth; they only want attention. Don’t forget, this great American treasure believes cop-killers are the white hats.

    • miyaspark

      Lol, fascism? You do realize if you vote for any Republican or Clinton you’re voting for fascism right? Bernie is the only non fascist person running. You’re an idiot. Please learn about differing governments. My S.O.’s dad grew up in fascist Italy.

      • Freedom Guy

        What a tool you are. Sanders wants to confiscate 95 percent of your income, nitwit. Grow up loser.

        • miyaspark

          Lol I’m a tool? You’re the fool if I’m the tool. (At least tools fix things) I understand he’s only levying taxes on those who earn more than 250k a year. Do you make over 250k a year?

          • miyaspark

            Oh you called me a marxist and a fascist those are two completely different things, you’re an idiot. Please look up what Socialism is and look up Fascism. Then look up Communism they’re all very different things. Oh also look up dictatorships because the countries that took up Communism and Fascism were either dictators or the bourgeois controlled everything. If anything you vote Trump and you’re pretty much voting for fascism idiot.

  • Redbird25

    Bruce Springsteen is the most overrated douchebag in the history of rock music. A libtard, to boot.

  • Morris Hudson

    Bruce Springsteen says that any man should be able to walk in the bathroom behind your daughter or granddaughter.

    • Michael Davis

      Except that that isnt what he said. You are a liar and a coward.

      • Morris Hudson

        Does Bruce have a plan for determining who is, or is not a sexual predator? There’s no way to do that.

  • fiona64

    Congratulations on cramming so much bigotry disguised as “compassion” into one place.

    • USMC and America proud

      Apparently you don’t have a clue about the definition of the word, Bigotry

      • Phil

        fiona64 just likes the way the word “bigot” and other objects roll off of it’s tongue.

      • fiona64

        No, I’m pretty clear on it. Oh, and pro-tip? Calling out bigotry i