Evidence Piling up That Seth Rich Leaked DNC Emails to Wikileaks

It's becoming more and more difficult to write the Seth Rich murder off as just a conspiracy theory.

Seth Rich

By Rachel Alexander Published on May 24, 2017

The evidence is growing that murdered DNC staffer Seth Rich leaked over 44,000 emails to Wikileaks. Democrats assert that the Russians hacked into the DNC’s emails. However,  Julian Assange of Wikileaks maintains that the Russians didn’t do it. He says a disgruntled insider did it.

Two More Voices

Last weekend, two more voices spoke up claiming insider knowledge. Kim Dotcom, a friend of Assange and founder of Megaupload, said he was involved with Rich transferring the emails to Wikileaks. He issued a statement today describing his contact with Rich. He said Rich contacted him using the pseudonym “Panda” (Rich loved pandas).

Rich reportedly said he wanted to start a branch of Dotcom’s New Zealand Internet Party in the U.S. He was tired of “corruption and the influence of corporate money in politics.” Dotcom references an interview he gave Bloomberg in May 2015. In it, he hinted that Wikileaks would be releasing information about Hillary Clinton and the election.

But he left it at that. He said Rich’s family has asked him to be sensitive to their loss in his public comments. He says he is fully willing to provide full details to U.S. law enforcement and Congress.

Kim tweeted at Google administrators, asking them to reveal the contents of Rich’s gmail accounts to Wikileaks. Kim once told Rush Limbaugh he intends to appear on his radio show to discuss the evidence. Sean Hannity has invited him on his show.

A second person also came forward last weekend, anonymously posting on the /pol/ political channel of social media bulletin board 4chan. They said that that many in D.C. know that Rich leaked the emails, but were afraid to come forward. The anonymous person said that the DNC is terrified. In a second post, the person hints that the labor organization SEIU knows something about his death.

Amateur Sleuths Doing the Work the Mainstream Media Won’t

Amateur sleuths posting on the  4chan and Reddit found accounts that belonged to Rich. They were fairly easy to identify due to his unique personality quirks. They had names like Pandas4Progress. His posts reflected his preference for Sanders in the election. They also reveal his disappointment with the Democrats’ rigged party system.

Strangely, his posts have been edited since his accounts were discovered. His email address was removed from one post — notably the email address identified the anonymous account as his.

The owners of a Pandas4Bernie account issued a statement on Monday asserting they are not affiliated with Rich. However, they did include a sentence revealing they believe he was the whistleblower.

We may not be Seth Rich, but we can do justice to his life by extending the effects of his work, by honoring the courage of whistleblowers who put their lives on the line to expose the truths that animate our demands for justice, and ultimately to break the power of corrupt, undemocratic elites once and for all over our lives and institutions.

The account indicates that some of the people behind the account are active participants in #JusticeForSeth, an effort trying to solve his murder.

The amateur sleuths on the bulletin boards have put together many revealing pieces of information related to the DNC emails and Rich’s murder. The police report showed that at least three of the responding officers wore body cameras. Where is that footage?

Rich was alive when they appeared on the scene. The EMTs who treated him told Rich’s parents later that they were surprised he did not live. Rich acted confused however, because when he was asked where he lived, he gave a previous address. Someone claiming to be a doctor who treated Rich after he was taken to the hospital posted an anonymous comment on Reddit. The commenter asserted that Rich’s condition was stable at the hospital. But then medical staff was told not to attend to him.

The manager of the bar where Rich was last seen before his death said police never contacted the bar. The bar had surveillance video the police could have requested. After Rich’s death, his girlfriend told a local news station she thought he was murdered “out of anger.” The D.C. police chief at the time was known for hobnobbing with the Clinton campaign and DNC officials.

Wikileaks All But Admits the Leaker is Rich

Julian Assange, the owner of Wikileaks, has hinted several times that Rich is the insider who leaked the DNC emails to Wikileaks. Less than two weeks after Rich was murdered, Wikileaks tweeted that it was offering a $20,000 reward for information.

On a Dutch news program, Assange said, “Our whistleblowers go to significant efforts to get us material and often very significant risks. A 27-year-old that works for the DNC was shot in the back, murdered just a few weeks ago for unknown reasons, as he was walking down the street in Washington, D.C.”

In another cryptic tweet on Monday, Assange presciently hinted that someone outside of Wikileaks might identify Rich as the source. Assange also uses the hashtag #SethRich in his tweets about him.

Shutting Down Coverage

Last week, the mainstream media attacked the testimony of Rod Wheeler, the private investigator hired by the Rich family. Wheeler had told Fox News that Rich leaked the DNC emails to Wikileaks. However, he admitted later that he hadn’t personally seen the evidence. Rather, he came to that conclusion based on comments made by a federal investigator to Fox News. That anonymous source said he had seen the case file and that “44,053 emails and 17,761 attachments between Democratic National Committee leaders, spanning from January 2015 through late May 2016, were transferred from Rich to MacFadyen before May 21.”

Fox News pulled the article on Tuesday. The left is also putting pressure on Fox News and Sean Hannity’s advertisers to stop his ongoing coverage.

Rich’s family has asked people to stop their investigations, calling it conspiratorial. They hired a spokesperson who handles crisis communications for Democrats, Brad Bauman. They suggested pressuring Wikileaks to reveal its evidence of the connection to their son. Strangely, Bauman convinced them not to.

However, in this video, Rich’s parents profusely thank everyone who has been trying to find the murderers.

A Nathan Rich, who claims to be a cousin of Seth Rich, has been tweeting about the likely connection. In one tweet, he raised his suspicions. Another family member responded and admonished him for the tweet. He deleted it, but it has been archived.

Jonathan Rich tweet

The Democrats and their allies in the mainstream media are trying to shut down the investigative work, labeling it as conspiracy theories. But they don’t control the evidence. At this point, there’s more evidence that the DNC emails were leaked to Wikileaks than that the DNC was hacked by Russia. Congress and the FBI should at least expand their probe to question Assange and Dotcom.

 

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  • Gary Miller

    “It’s sad but unsurprising that a group of media outlets who have repeatedly lied to the American people would try and manipulate the legacy of a murder victim in order to forward their own political agenda,” Brad Bauman, a representative for the Rich family, said. “I think there is a special place in hell for people like that.”
    Mr. Bauman is referring to you, Rachel.

    • Rachel Alexander

      He’s trying to squelch the investigation into who murdered Seth Rich. I think he’s the one who should be worried about his conscience.

      • Gary Miller

        Rachel, the family prefers that professional investigators handle the situation and would rather not have to deal with armchair sleuths like yourself who spread falsehoods for clicks and political gain. My goodness, have a heart.

        • A. Castellitto

          Gary go back to sleep…. You are a sheep, and we don’t have time to educate or have you waste our time

          • Gary Miller

            Who is “we?” Whom do you represent?

          • anne55

            I think the opposite is true.

      • anne55

        No, you are flaming the conspiracy theory – and after Fox’s retraction it is especially noxious.

    • WeNeedTruth

      Those of us that want justice for Seth Rich disagree with you. Reporting indicates someone is paying people to attempt to intimidate journalists via blog/website comments. I’m referring to you, Mr. Miller

      • Karen

        A group that apparently does not include his own parents. You are just like “Sandy Hook Truthers” and the rest of the RW noise machine – you will mow down any number of honorable and decent people in the service of your fascist ideology.

        • WeNeedTruth

          Ooooo, the “f” word, how original! You are proving my point. How much are you getting paid? His parents are grief stricken people who haven’t been given a clue what happened to their son. Enough time has passed for DC Police to at least provide them some information. Why are you so eager to keep them from getting the truth?

          • Karen

            The police are going to do that. You’re doing a great job of making sure that the actual perp can get off by distracting everyone with this nonsense.

          • WeNeedTruth

            You must really believe you (and the rest of us commenting) have great power and will make sure “…the actual perp can get off…” But keep trying to come up with different memes, it’s entertaining.

          • anne55

            Keeping conspiracy theories alive and not letting the real detectives do their work damages the country. When people believe conspiracy theories, it affects their perception of reality. It can affect how they vote. It affects our democracy.

          • WeNeedTruth

            Who is not letting the real detectives do their work? A bunch of people commenting on websites? Rachel is a former prosecutor; she lives in the real world….not the world where web commenters believe other web commenters affect criminal investigations. The fact that the media and certain elements of the Democratic party (Hillary supporters) are getting hysterical over web conversations tells me that there is something there. Perhaps it wasn’t a botched robbery…perhaps whoever murdered him got what they were after – a thumb drive with damaging info. Seth Rich was a Bernie supporter and we know for a fact that Hillary’s machine had the primaries rigged from the start.

          • anne55

            I was not a Hillary supporter for one thing. I voted for her as a second choice.

            And, conspiracy theories DO damage our democracy. If enough people believe unfounded stories, they will vote on that basis.

          • anne55

            Keeping conspiracy theories alive and not letting the real detectives do their work damages the country. When people believe conspiracy theories, it affects their perception of reality. It can affect how they vote. It affects our democracy.

            From Wikipedia: “Conspiracy theories spread about the crime, which were debunked by law enforcement and fact-checking websites: PolitiFact, Snopes, and FactCheck Right-wing conspiracy theorists falsely stated Rich leaked DNC emails in 2016

            http(colon)(slash (slash)www(dot)factcheck(dot)org(slash)2017(slash)05(slash)gingrich-spreads-conspiracy-theory/

            https(colon)(slash (slash)www(dot)nytimes(dot)comcolon)(slash (slash)2017colon)(slash (slash)05colon)(slash (slash)17colon)(slash (slash)uscolon)(slash (slash)seth-rich-dnc-wikileaks.html

      • Gary Miller

        “Those of us?” You should speak for yourself. And you have evidence that I have been paid? You are absurd.

        • anne55

          I really fear for democracy and our open society when so many believe innuendo and ‘alternative facts’. It does not bode well.

          • WeNeedTruth

            I agree. That’s why this whole “Russia influenced our election” waste of taxpayers’ money is disturbing. I fear for democracy and our open society when character assassinations take place daily in the press just because someone’s candidate lost. It does not bode well.

          • anne55

            I agree with you on your statement “I fear for democracy and our open society when character assassinations take place daily in the press just because someone’s candidate lost.”

            However, I think the way in which Trump won (and I’m not debating that he won) really tainted this presidency. He was extremely bullying on the campaign trail to others (and continues to be so). And the cloud of “Russia” and their interference hanging over his head really does taint his legitimacy in the minds of a great many. You may or may not believe this, but I can tell you many feel that way.

      • anne55

        Bull.

    • A. Castellitto

      Gary Miller, you are either a tool or a fool…. But your willful ignorance will land you right next to Bauman in a fiery pit where HE belongs…. This is not a political issue you moron…. We are all Seth Rich…we are sick of the deep state smoke screens…. You are all going down

      • Gary Miller

        My goodness, what a horrible thing to post. We are not all Seth Rich. You need to put your self-righteousness aside and imagine what the Rich family is going through. They are sick and tired of having to deal with heartless souls like Sean Hannity and Rachel Alexander.

        • A. Castellitto

          How do you know Gary, have you talked to the family?, are you their spokesperson? ….. Seth died cause (and his death goes unsolved cause) nobody gives a crap….. Well, we do give a crap, Gary…that could have been anyone of us….evil prevails cause good men do nothing… Whistleblowers ARE NOT expendable

          • Gary Miller

            Just read the family’s letter. Nobody gives a crap? How dare you say that about the Rich family. Brad Bauman is right. There is a special place in hell for the likes of you.

          • anne55

            You can go to the family’s gofundme page. They say as much. They are speaking for themselves.

      • anne55

        Judge not that ye be not judged.

    • Karen

      Thanks for your effort to remind writers at an allegedly Christian website of your duty. Your efforts will not bear fruit, but I wanted you to know that someone else noticed.

      • A. Castellitto

        Karen, please keep your ignorance to yourself…. Christians can’t be too lazy to seek truth…. Its not our fault you haven’t or won’t do your homework…. You are the false witness and maybe paid to be so for all we know….

  • A Dent

    Great article very well written.
    I suspect that the truth will come out and it’s not going to be pretty.
    The idea that Seth Rich wasn’t murdered is absurd. Robbers don’t shoot people in the back and leave.
    The question isn’t if he was murdered or not but why and by whom.
    For all intents and purposes it appears that Mr. Rich was the inside source of the released emails.
    Those emails showed the DNC conspiracy to keep Bernie Sanders out and get Hillary elected.
    Those emails showed Sanders’ voters and others the truth about their own party.
    In response the democrat party invented the Russian narrative to take the focus off of the truth that was revealed and refocus their constituents on alleged foreign involvement.

    • Gary Miller

      “Robbers don’t shoot people in the back and leave.”

      Believe or not, robberies are interrupted and foiled. Imagine that.

      • A Dent

        I’ll leave the imagining to you. It’s apparent you have a talent for it.
        Regardless of your imagination that was not the case with Seth Rich.
        But I suspect that you can imagine that someone interrupted the shooting the imagined robbers ran away and the imaginary witness joined them.

        • Gary Miller

          A broken watchband is a figment of no one’s imagination. You need to do your homework with this story and stop thinking there is no such thing as a botched robbery.

          • A Dent

            So your imaginary thieves broke his watchband and left the watch. I suspect you imagine that they left the watch because the watchband was broken.
            Who wants a watch with a broken watchband, eh? Did your imaginary witness who interrupted the imaginary robbery and caused the imaginary robbers to flee verify this?

          • Gary Miller

            Now how do you know they left the watch? You’ve got all the answers. Let me guess. You’re making it up.

            “We also know that there were signs of a struggle, including a watchband torn when the assailants attempted to rip it off his wrist,” the parents said.

            “Law enforcement officials told us that Seth’s murder looked like a botched robbery attempt in which the assailants — after shooting our son — panicked, immediately ran and abandoned Seth’s personal belongings.”

            Nah, that could never happen.

          • A Dent

            If there was a torn watchband , as you claim, there was likely a watch.
            Unless of course you imagine that someone tore the watchband, removed the watch, and left the torn watchband.
            As the parents were not there how did they conclude that there was more than one assailant and that said assailants attempted to rip his wristwatch off of his wrist?
            Maybe you imagine his parents interrupted your imagined robbery and that they are the witnesses that you imagine ran away before the police arrived?

            Hows that work for you?

          • Gary Miller

            I have no idea what happened. And neither do you. Why do you insist on concocting scenarios and being a part of the mob that is inflicting grief on the Rich family?

          • A Dent

            It’s been obvious that you have no idea what happened yet somehow you found it necessary to verbally assault the author of the article with your imagined scenario revolving around a damaged watchband being your evidence that it was a “botched robbery attempt”.
            Thin gruel indeed.
            I would like to see the murder solved and the perpetrator or perpetrators punished.
            I would like to see the family get closure.
            Why would you want the family to suffer never knowing why their son was murdered or who committed the crime?
            If in fact it does turn out that Seth Rich followed the courage of his convictions to get the truth out on the DNCs collusion with the Clinton campaign to assure that Sanders was not the nominee and as a consequence was murdered, he would have died a hero. After all, the information that was revealed was the truth.
            The dialogue that it was Russian interference in collusion with the Trump campaign just provides cover for the perpetrator but if that was the case and it was the “Russians” we should be thanking the Russians for revealing the truth regarding the dirty dealings within the party.
            Personally, I would rather thank an American patriot than a Russian hacker.
            No matter the outcome, the longer it stays in the public’s eye the sooner the case will be solved.

          • anne55

            No one is saying they don’t wish the family closure or the murder solved. NO one.

            But, to make up theories that are far fetched and have been debunked by the police and now retracted by Fox News itself, well, that borders on cruel to the family. It sullies the name of their son with no proof. That is emotional pain heaped on top of the loss of their son. Stop playing armchair detective and let the real detectives do their work.

          • A Dent

            Sullies his name? Revealing the truth “sullies” one name? Quite frankly it would take great courage if he did give those emails to wikileaks. What would sully ones name is knowing the truth and allowing the blatant corruption to continue unchecked. Only in the fertile imagination of a person intent on obscuring the truth would telling the truth sully ones name.

          • Gary Miller

            If … if … if … if …

          • Gary Miller

            You are a nutcase. Why would I want the family to suffer? That’s the impression you get from my posts? Nutcase.

          • Rachel Alexander

            They left his watch because they broke the wristband. But they also left his wallet with his credit cards, cell phone keys, or necklace worth $2,000 because….

          • A Dent

            I’m sure his imagination will come up with something.

            Past that, I look forward to your continued reporting on this subject.

          • Rachel Alexander

            Thanks, I suspect he’s a paid troll, and that’s my next article coming out on this. The coordinated comments across multiple articles and platforms that all say the same thing, but with different usernames…must be nice to be paid by George Soros to get to sit around in your pajamas eating cheetos in your parents’ basements (who pay for your main expenses) while you copy and paste what you’re paid to say and slam conservatives and squelch murder investigations into YOUR OWN.

          • anne55

            Rachel,

            You underestimate the resistance. We are not paid. I know of NO ONE that is paid. That is another conspiracy theory. When the right doesn’t like facts, it jumps to conspiracy theories. What about the Koch Brothers on the ‘right’? They pay VAST amounts of money to promote their views. And, if Soros wants to fund activities that promote justice, education, public health and independent media, that is quite fine by me. But, he does NOT pay individual people to protest. PROVE IT.

            The Koch Brothers have a huge financial and political influence on United States politics. They spend their money on that. It is hypocritical for the right to always bash Soros when their ‘guys’, the Koch Brothers, use their money in the way they do.

          • anne55

            I will further state I am a 63 year old woman. Maybe old enough to be your mother. I live in no one’s basement. I am paid by no one. I am not surprised, given your writings, that you found yourself in the predicaments you did in the past. Your comments and views aren’t very lawyerly.

          • anne55

            continued conspiring is more apt

          • Gary Miller

            Who knows, Rachel? You make it sound as if there no such thing a botched robbery attempt. And that is ridiculous.

      • anne55

        Not always.

    • anne55

      How do you know ‘robbers don’t shoot people in the back’? Likely depends on where they were standing. Perhaps Seth tried to run away. We don’t know. Maybe the robber didn’t want the victim to see his face. Maybe it was just happenstance.

      You are making a huge leap to say that this young man, a DNC staffer, was responsible for this ‘leak’. I’d say it exactly the other way round. This story was invented as an ‘alternative fact’ with no proof to take the pressure off the “Russian narrative’.

      • A Dent

        Okay, I’ll play perhaps with you.

        Perhaps in the original Washington Post story it was stated that: “The networks of presidential candidates Hillary Clinton and Donald
        Trump were also targeted by Russian spies, as were the computers of some
        Republican political action committees, U.S. officials said.”

        Perhaps in trying to obscure the facts contained in the DNC emails and turn the focus elsewhere it has become more convenient to imply it was Trump’s doing.

        • anne55

          I am simply reporting what the CIA and FBI have said.

      • Jim Walker

        anne55, you are behaving very much like a paid troll as I read your comments.
        In fact, there is NOTHING written here in this whole forum that you can agree with. Why do you even come here ? Maybe your life will be more blissful without coming here.
        Try offline for 30 days and see whether I’m right.

        • anne55

          Ha! If anyone wishes to pay me for my contributions here, please feel free to do so! No one has ever made that offer.

  • naro wampanoag

    Kim Dotcomm should shut his trap up unless he presents evidence. He is despicable if he is lying.

  • Karen

    There is a commandment about “not bearing false witness.” You would do well to re-acquaint yourself with it.

  • LgVt

    At this point, there does not seem to be any conclusive public evidence of anything with regard to Rich being the leaker other than that one side or the other is lying.

    The only thing we can say with certainty is that Rich was murdered almost two weeks before Wikileaks published the e-mails. Thus, the likelihood of his death being related to all of this is very low–and without his death to tie it all together, the case looks rather flimsy.

    • Lessly1

      Why is that? A 2 week delay in release of the emails indicates that Wikileaks VERIFIES material before they publish it.
      I’m no fan of #45 either but I’m not going to dismiss the murder of a young man as a botched robbery, when the sellers of that “theory” have been proven to be corrupt.
      The “Russians” angle fell apart when the FBI admitted that they relied on a report from CrowdStrike from last July to determine the hack. As did ALL other agencies. THEY NEVER EXAMINED THE DNC NETWORK.
      The only one involved in this that hasn’t been proved a liar is Jillian Assange. He has indicated that Seth Rich died for a cause. If the cause was exposing political corruption, I don’t care if it’s Dems or Reps, he should get justice.
      Occams Razor…

      • albert perrotta

        Incidentally, that would be the same DNC then headed by DWS, who as the story we just posted from the Daily Caller News Foundation, has no problem trying to block investigations that operate against her interests.

      • LgVt

        Not quite sure what Wikileaks verifying the material has to do with this, but the point I was making is that at the time Rich was killed, the Democrats had no idea that Wikileaks had their e-mails. They were blindsided when Wikileaks published them.

        The implication we’re all dancing around is the idea that Rich was killed in retaliation for the leaks. But at the time of his death, that motive did not exist. The timeline simply does not match up.

        • GPS Daddy

          How do you know that the DNC did not discover the leak before Wikileaks posted them and his murder was an attempt to stop the transfer?

          • LgVt

            The DNC’s response to the Wikileaks dump was not that of a group that knew it was coming. They were blindsided.

          • GPS Daddy

            So you think how the DNC responded is evidence of someone’s knowledge or lack of knowledge? Ok

      • anne55

        That is why the FBI and the CIA continue to pursue the investigation, to see where it leads. They’ve both said it is very much an active investigation and it is now being termed a ‘criminal investigation’.

        So, hold on for a minute. Why would Republicans, conservatives and Christian evangelicals NOT be concerned about a not friendly foreign power run by essentially a dictator intervening and trying to influence our election? How do we know that they aren’t still involved in trying to influence our politics? How do you know that they won’t try again in 2018 or 2020? I must say this is the kind of thing that Republicans are typically MORE concerned about than even Democrats. But, because of what it might mean for Trump and (by default) the Republican Party, they are turning a blind eye. It is party over country at the moment. It is what they “wish” things would be rather than following facts and truth. That is not okay.

        • WeNeedTruth

          I assume you weren’t concerned when Obama provided US taxpayers’ funds to one of his political organizations in an attempt to oust the sitting Prime Minister of Israel a few years ago? Or were you concerned when Obama tried to influence Great Britain’s BREXIT elections? John Brennan, Obama’s CIA Director, testified the other day that Russia has been trying to influence US elections for years. I guess it was OK when you were happy with the outcome. I doubt you even know the “facts and truth,” when you obviously support someone who is a convicted felon (Soros). Good grief.

          • anne55

            #1 Obama and taxpayer funds:
            “http(colon)(slash)(slash)www(dot)politifact(dot)com(slash)punditfact(slash)statements(slash)2015(slash)mar(slash)25(slash)blog-posting(slash)blog-claims-us-funded-anti-netanyahu-election-effo(slash)

            #2 Why is it wrong for Obama to voice his opinion on Brexit? As long as it is HIS opinion and stated as such, then he has the same right to free speech that we all have. Certainly many world leaders voiced their opinions when Donald Trump was still the GOP front runner. And many were not very nice opinions. http(colon)(slash)(slash)www(dot)telegraph(dot)co(dot)uknews(slash)2016(slash)04/21(slash)as-your-friend-let-me-tell-you-that-the-eu-makes-britain-even-gr(slash) It is not illegal.

            #3 I did not hear Brennan say this, but (if true) I was unaware of it – and it is even more reason we should be very concerned as Americans. And, I wasn’t always happy with election outcomes. Yes, I like Obama. Wasn’t thrilled about Bush the 2nd, but I never complained. Trump is in a league of his own.

            #4 I don’t condone insider trading (fyi, this conviction came from France, not the USA). But, I do condone a lot of other things Soros has done. He paid his fine (2.3 million).

            But, speaking of criminal activity, do you know that the Koch Brothers (beloved conservative funders), were ALSO convicted of criminal activity? To a much greater sum of money?

            “From 1999 through 2003, Koch Industries was assessed more than $400 million in fines, penalties and judgments. In December 1999, a civil jury found that Koch Industries had taken oil it didn’t pay for from federal land by mis-measuring the amount of crude it was extracting. Koch paid a $25 million settlement to the U.S.
            Phil Dubose, a Koch employee who testified against the company said he and his colleagues were shown by their managers how to steal and cheat — using techniques they called the Koch Method.

            Sally Barnes-Soliz, who’s now an investigator for the State Department of Labor and Industries in Washington, says that when she worked for Koch, her bosses and a company lawyer at the Koch refinery in Corpus Christi, Texas, asked her to falsify data for a report to the state on uncontrolled emissions of benzene, a known cause of cancer. Barnes-Soliz, who testified to a federal grand jury, says she refused to alter the numbers.
            “They didn’t know what to do with me,” she says. “They were really kind of baffled that I had ethics.”
            Koch’s refinery unit pleaded guilty in 2001 to a federal felony charge of lying to regulators and paid $20 million in fines and penalties.” Sorry to one up you!

            http(colon)(slash)(slash)swampland(dot)time(dot)com(slash)2011(slash)10(slash)03(slash)bloomberg-investigates-the-koch-brothers(slash)

          • WeNeedTruth

            You seem to think I support the Koch brothers, so perhaps your masters told you to assume I’m a Republican because I want the truth. The Koch “machine” is as evil as Soros and every other multi-millionaire/billionaire who buy elections, pay for people to comment on websites, pay for people to pressure advertisers to drop TV shows, etc. etc. etc. Your support of Soros tells me a lot about what kind of person you are. That’s your burden to carry, so you can stop with the talking points. I voted for Bernie Sanders in the Primaries because Hillary is a crook, much worse than Koch/Soros/Steyer/etc. etc. Al Qaeda and the Taliban also provide(d) money to poor people; do you excuse their horrible mass murdering?

          • anne55

            Well, I am glad to hear you don’t like big money in politics. Neither do I. We have something else in common. I also voted for Bernie in the primaries and am an independent. So, there were assumptions going on here on both sides.

            I DO like Soros support of education, the ACLU, journalism, human rights. I don’t have a problem with that at all.

  • anne55

    Fox News has retracted their story, without apologizing to the family.

    http(colon)(slash)(slash)www(dot)nbcnews(dot)com(slash)politics(slash)white-house(slash)fox-retracts-story-sparked-conspiracy-about-slain-dnc-staffer-n763746

    MAY 23 2017, 10:57 PM ET
    Fox Retracts, Hannity Silenced on Conspiracy About Slain DNC Staffer
    by ALEX SEITZ-WALD

    Fox News announced Tuesday it had retracted a story published last week that reignited conspiracy theories around the unsolved killing of Democratic National Committee staffer Seth Rich, whose family demanded an apology from the conservative news network.

    Later Tuesday, the conspiracy’s most prominent proponent, Fox News’ Sean Hannity, announced on his show that he would stop discussing the case “for now.” It was a major back-down for the well-known host who had used his Twitter account earlier to vow he would never be silenced by “Liberal Fascism.”

    Hannity said he made the decision to go mum on the killing “out of respect for the family’s wishes.”

    So, totally retracted, but no apology for besmirching the reputation of this young man who can’t talk for himself.

  • anne55

    Ms. Alexander – I just noticed your publication piece’s date (today). However, you should update your article based on the information the story was detracted today – and pretty much debunked previously anyway.

    • Rachel Alexander

      I did address that in my story. My description of it got edited out however. Basically, the Fox News article that was retracted did a poor job of noting that Detective Wheeler’s comments were based on the anonymous federal investigator’s observations of the case. Detective Wheeler clarified this the next day on Hannity’s TV show, explained that he had not actually personally seen the case file and emails. So Fox News should have merely issued a correction. It wasn’t anything major enough to have pulled the story.

      • anne55

        http(colon)(slash)(slash)www(dot)snopes(dot)com(slash)seth-rich-dnc-wikileaks-murder/

        The story is just plain false. There is no evidence except conspiracy theories from some Republicans who want someone else to blame the ‘Russian thing’ on.

        • albert perrotta

          Actually, the suspicions about Rich’s death were out there long before the Brit in the pay of the Clinton operation began peddling the “Trump dossier” to the FBI, which triggered the surveillance, the widespread unmmasking, and the leaking and the whole Russia canard.

          • anne55

            It was the Republicans that didn’t like Trump and didn’t want him to be the party’s nominee that ordered the dossier.

            “The dossier was produced as part of opposition research during the 2016 U.S. presidential election. The research was initially funded by Republicans who did not want Trump to be the Republican Party nominee for president. After Trump won the primaries, a Democratic client took over the funding; and, following Trump’s election, Steele continued working on the report pro bono and passed on the information to British and American intelligence services.”
            It doesn’t say who the Democratic client was, but the Republicans initiated this.

          • stevenlehar

            Troll alert! Troll alert! Don’t waste your time reading this crap.

          • anne55

            Boy, I can’t say anything truthful without the name calling from you. If you are in disagreement with a point I make, why don’t you just say why and offer some collaborating proof? Name calling doesn’t really get you anywhere.

            You know, I just looked up your comments to a number of people via clicking on your name and it seems like your major argument to most of us with differing viewpoints is shouting “Troll”. That really is very unbecoming and a veiled threat to free speech.

  • Rachel, thank you for reporting on this. Don’t let cowards hiding behind computer screens intimidate you into silence. Again, thank you for reporting on this.

    • Rachel Alexander

      Thanks for the kind words. I actually have an expose on these folks coming out shortly. I’m noticing a pattern of paid trolls.

      • GPS Daddy

        Cool. I’d like to see some insight on that. Some people seem to have way too much time to post as much as they do.

        • anne55

          Maybe you are speaking for yourself as well?

          • GPS Daddy

            So I’m a paid troll, trolling a conservative Christian site that I’m strongly in agreement with? Got it.

          • anne55

            I don’t believe for a minute that anyone is paying you. And, I do believe you are strongly in agreement with much of this site.

            I hope people also believe no one is paying me and that I want to have conversations with people of differing points of view.

          • GPS Daddy

            You insinuated that I’m a paid troll and trolling on this site.

          • anne55

            Where did I say any such thing? You said some people have too much time and I responded. Frankly you are on here just as much as I am. Maybe more.

          • GPS Daddy

            Oops, my bad. Please forgive me. I thought I posted something different than what I did.

          • anne55

            You are forgiven.

          • stevenlehar

            Busy little Troll today aren’t we? Must be really important to try to squelch this story!

          • anne55

            Yes, it is important because it is false, it is hurtful to a family and spreading disinformation hurts our democracy.

          • anne55

            This story just spreads like wildfire when all are in agreement.

      • And you will continue to see them. The enemy spends his efforts on those who are making a difference in the fight; that’s why I see them a little and you see them a LOT. You are making a difference. Don’t stop!

      • anne55

        Rachel, please don’t feed into this nonsense about paid trolls. Again, it is paranoia on the part of people that may not agree with your position. FYI, I also do a little research on the background of people who write these articles – part of my credibility search if you will.

        I am aware of your’s but will say no more.

    • anne55

      This isn’t a report. It is an opinion. How can you continue to push this story when all evidence points elsewhere…and when the main reporters of the story (Fox) have retracted it?

      • stevenlehar

        Troll alert! Troll alert! Don’t feed the trolls! It only makes them think they are part of the conversation.

        • anne55

          Ditto this post above. It is a way for people having one viewpoint just to dismiss differing viewpoints. Reminds me of kids on the playground – bullying really – when they want to put down other kids. But, sadly, it is adults engaging in similar juvenile behavior.

  • psychedelicsanta

    Kim Dotcom and and anonymous source say there is evidence? That’s the evidence? Show the evidence if you got it…

    • Rachel Alexander

      Just ignore everything in my article and keep asking for “evidence.” As a former prosecutor, I actually find your comment hilarious. As if you can’t convict based on circumstantial evidence – and that’s in a court of law, a high bar!

      • anne55

        There isn’t enough circumstantial evidence here to get any kind of conviction. I’m not even a lawyer and I can see that.

  • StupiditySlayer

    When I first read about his death I made the connection. The Clintons have been surrounded by “mysterious deaths” for over 30 years.

  • Jim Walker

    Wow suddenly so many newcomers here ! Some maybe paid trolls, especially those who are always opposing.

    • Rachel Alexander

      Appreciate the observation, have noticed a pattern with the trolls, that is going to be my next article…

      • anne55

        Why do you call someone with a differing point of view a ‘troll’? That is just name calling when you don’t like someone else’s opinion. It is a distraction from having a back and forth, honest discussion.

        • GPS Daddy

          Anne55, back and forth honest discussion means you admit where your wrong. You’ve caught me a few times. You have never admitted you have been wrong on ANY point.

          • anne55

            I just, a few minutes ago, apologized to Jim Walker for assuming he was referring to me. It was before I saw this post from you. And, I have said when I was wrong more than once, but I’ve no idea where those posts are at the moment.

          • Jim Walker

            A troll normally comes and goes away and find some forum to steal kill and destroy.
            You are a resident troll 😉 hehe…
            However, I do hope that you can respect the views of conservative people. They aren’t old fashion, they have a rock solid base of moral principles that anchors deep into a bedrock that endures the changing and destructive times and history.
            Fleeting thoughts and scholarly foolish opinions that try to shape people comes and goes like fashion. “A rolling stone gathers no moss”. Progressives will eventually shift their opinions and will contradict their previous ideologies. These are not moral values. Moral values do not change with time.

          • anne55

            A friendly one. I don’t come and go. I am simply trying to present a differing opinion that I hope is also respected. I also have moral values. Some are probably similar to your’s and some may be different.

        • GPS Daddy

          You have also stood with and thanked those who abuse others here on this site simply because we think differently. You have thanked them for their help.

          • anne55

            I have thanked them for expressing their own independent opinions (i.e. Stan on another thread). He was not abusive. If you are thinking of Tim (on yet other threads), I DO agree with much of what he says, and, yes, he is angry and sometimes very blunt. I get the anger although I don’t think it particularly helps persuade. I’m not sure anything I (or Stan or Tim) say will actually help change any minds. But, you never know. Usually listening and being respectful do help. Otherwise the first thing people hear is the anger, not the words.

          • GPS Daddy

            Sorry, anne55, that’s not good enough. Tim is down right mean. You defend his posts. Not once have I seen you defend those he unjustly attacks… not once. So that put you in agreement that someone coming from a conservative view can be justly mistreated.

          • anne55

            I defend his point of view, not necessarily the way in which he sometimes delivers it.

          • GPS Daddy

            anne55, not defending someone when they are being abused by someone on your ideological side is complicit acceptance… while he was abusing people you thanked him for his help.

          • anne55

            You don’t see this as abusive toward me?

            “We recognize the pattern, Troll! You come here JUST to piss people off and try to cover up Liberal Lies. We are ON to you guys! Your stuff doesn’t work here any more. Go back to the LibTard sheeple sites where your kind is welcome. This is for reasonable adult conversation!”

            It is posted right above here. You know, it goes two ways. This doesn’t seem like a very Christian oriented statement to me.

          • GPS Daddy

            anne55, you thanked him for his help in the article where he had done lots of abuse yet not one word from you that the abuse was wrong. That makes you passively condoning his abuse. Instead you defend him by saying he is angry.

            So, this means you approve of an angry liberal abusing a conservative.

            This reason is why I stepped in to defend you and Timothy when others were abusive. I did not want to be guilty of the same thing by my silence.

            You are no less guilty of what Timothy did because you were passive about it.

          • anne55

            I have posted so much, on so many different articles here, I honestly can’t recall which comment you are referring to – please point it out to me.

          • anne55

            And, if you think I don’t get my share of ‘abuse’, please just read stevenlehar’s post to me just above your’s. I try to be civil and respectful, yet still express my point of view. I don’t ever name call. That doesn’t do any good.

        • stevenlehar

          We recognize the pattern, Troll! You come here JUST to piss people off and try to cover up Liberal Lies. We are ON to you guys! Your stuff doesn’t work here any more. Go back to the LibTard sheeple sites where your kind is welcome. This is for reasonable adult conversation!

    • anne55

      I am not a ‘paid’ troll. I’m here to present a different view because almost everyone else seems to think alike.

      • Jim Walker

        I wasn’t even referring to you.

        • anne55

          Well, I wasn’t sure who you were referring to and it seems my opinion is opposite most. So, I assumed. I apologize.

    • stevenlehar

      Yes the trolls are busy trying to cover this one up! But you notice something? It used to be easy to troll, but now they get SHOUTED DOWN by great numbers of reasonable people. We are all ON to them now. Their stuff doesn’t work here any more. Don’t waste your time debating them, just SHOUT THEM DOWN. That is logic that even Liberals understand.

      • Jim Walker

        That is why I ask them to go to a Muslim forum and try debating them.

  • A. Castellitto

    MAY 19, 2017
    Seth Rich, Craig Murray and the Sinister Stewards of the National Security State
    by MIKE WHITNEY

    Why is it a “conspiracy theory” to think that a disgruntled Democratic National Committee staffer gave WikiLeaks the DNC emails, but not a conspiracy theory to think the emails were provided by Russia?

    Why?

    Which is the more likely scenario: That a frustrated employee leaked damaging emails to embarrass his bosses or a that foreign government hacked DNC computers for some still-unknown reason?

    That’s a no-brainer, isn’t it?

    Former-DNC employee, Seth Rich, not only had access to the emails, but also a motive. He was pissed about the way the Clinton crowd was “sandbagging” Bernie Sanders. In contrast, there’s neither evidence nor motive connecting Russia to the emails. On top of that, WikiLeaks founder, Julien Assange (a man of impeccable integrity) has repeatedly denied that Russia gave him the emails which suggests the government investigation is completely misdirected. The logical course of action, would be to pursue the leads that are most likely to bear fruit, not those that originate from one’s own political bias. But, of course, logic has nothing to do with the current investigation, it’s all about politics and geopolitics.

    We don’t know who killed Seth Rich and we’re not going to speculate on the matter here. But we find it very strange that neither the media nor the FBI have pursued leads in the case that challenge the prevailing narrative on the Russia hacking issue. Why is that? Why is the media so eager to blame Russia when Rich looks like the much more probable suspect?

    And why have the mainstream news organizations put so much energy into discrediting the latest Fox News report, when– for the last 10 months– they’ve showed absolutely zero interest in Rich’s death at all?

    According to Fox News:

    “The Democratic National Committee staffer who was gunned down on July 10 on a Washington, D.C., street just steps from his home had leaked thousands of internal emails to WikiLeaks, law enforcement sources told Fox News.

    A federal investigator who reviewed an FBI forensic report detailing the contents of DNC staffer Seth Rich’s computer generated within 96 hours after his murder, said Rich made contact with WikiLeaks through Gavin MacFadyen, a now-deceased American investigative reporter, documentary filmmaker, and director of WikiLeaks who was living in London at the time….

    Rod Wheeler, a retired Washington homicide detective and Fox News contributor investigating the case on behalf of the Rich family, made the WikiLeaks claim, which was corroborated by a federal investigator who spoke to Fox News….

    “I have seen and read the emails between Seth Rich and Wikileaks,” the federal investigator told Fox News, confirming the MacFadyen connection. He said the emails are in possession of the FBI, while the stalled case is in the hands of the Washington Police Department.” (“Family of slain DNC staffer Seth Rich blasts detective over report of WikiLeaks link”, Fox News)

    Okay, so where’s the computer? Who’s got Rich’s computer? Let’s do the forensic work and get on with it.

    But the Washington Post and the other bogus news organizations aren’t interested in such matters because it doesn’t fit with their political agenda. They’d rather take pot-shots at Fox for running an article that doesn’t square with their goofy Russia hacking story. This is a statement on the abysmal condition of journalism today. Headline news has become the province of perception mandarins who use the venue to shape information to their own malign specifications, and any facts that conflict with their dubious storyline, are savagely attacked and discredited. Journalists are no longer investigators that keep the public informed, but paid assassins who liquidate views that veer from the party-line.

    WikiLeaks never divulges the names of the people who provide them with information. Even so, Assange has not only shown an active interest in the Seth Rich case, but also offered a $20,000 reward for anyone providing information leading to the arrest and conviction of Rich’s murder. Why? And why did he post a link to the Fox News article on his Twitter account on Tuesday?

    I don’t know, but if I worked for the FBI or the Washington Post, I’d sure as hell be beating the bushes to find out. And not just because it might help in Rich’s murder investigation, but also, because it could shed light on the Russia fiasco which is being used to lay the groundwork for impeachment proceedings. So any information that challenges the government version of events, could actually change the course of history.

    Have you ever heard of Craig Murray?

    Murray should be the government’s star witness in the DNC hacking scandal, instead, no one even knows who he is. But if we trust what Murray has to say, then we can see that the Russia hacking story is baloney. The emails were “leaked” by insiders not “hacked” by a foreign government. Here’s the scoop from Robert Parry at Consortium News:

    “Former British Ambassador to Uzbekistan Craig Murray, has suggested that the DNC leak came from a “disgruntled” Democrat upset with the DNC’s sandbagging of the Sanders campaign and that the Podesta leak came from the U.S. intelligence community….He (Murray) appears to have undertaken a mission for WikiLeaks to contact one of the sources (or a representative) during a Sept. 25 visit to Washington where he says he met with a person in a wooded area of American University. ….

    Though Murray has declined to say exactly what the meeting in the woods was about, he may have been passing along messages about ways to protect the source from possible retaliation, maybe even an extraction plan if the source was in some legal or physical danger…Murray also suggested that the DNC leak and the Podesta leak came from two different sources, neither of them the Russian government.

    “The Podesta emails and the DNC emails are, of course, two separate things and we shouldn’t conclude that they both have the same source,” Murray said. “In both cases we’re talking of a leak, not a hack, in that the person who was responsible for getting that information out had legal access to that information…

    Scott Horton then asked, “Is it fair to say that you’re saying that the Podesta leak came from inside the intelligence services, NSA [the electronic spying National Security Agency] or another agency?”

    “I think what I said was certainly compatible with that kind of interpretation, yeah,” Murray responded. “In both cases they are leaks by Americans.”

    (“A Spy Coup in America?”, Robert Parry, Consortium News)

    With all the hullabaloo surrounding the Russia hacking case, you’d think that Murray’s eyewitness account would be headline news, but not in Homeland Amerika where the truth is kept as far from the front page as humanly possible.

    Bottom line: The government has a reliable witness (Murray) who can positively identify the person who hacked the DNC emails and, so far, they’ve showed no interest in his testimony at all. Doesn’t that strike you as a bit weird?

    Did you know that after a 10 month-long investigation, there’s still no hard evidence that Russia hacked the 2016 elections? In fact, when the Intelligence agencies were pressed on the matter, they promised to release a report that would provide iron-clad proof of Russian meddling. On January 6, 2017, theDirector of National Intelligence, James Clapper, released that report. It was called The Intelligence Community Assessment (ICA). Unfortunately, the report fell far-short of the public’s expectations. Instead of a smoking gun, Clapper produced a tedious 25-page compilation of speculation, hearsay, innuendo and gobbledygook. Here’s how veteran journalist Robert Parry summed it up:

    “The report contained no direct evidence that Russia delivered hacked emails from the Democratic National Committee and Hillary Clinton’s campaign chairman John Podesta to WikiLeaks….The DNI report…as presented, is one-sided and lacks any actual proof. Further, the continued use of the word “assesses”….suggests that the underlying classified information also may be less than conclusive because, in intelligence-world-speak, “assesses” often means “guesses.” (“US Report Still Lacks Proof on Russia ‘Hack’”, Robert Parry, Consortium News)

    Repeat: “the report contained no direct evidence”, no “actual proof”, and a heckuva a lot of “guessing”. That’s some “smoking gun”, eh?

    If this ‘thin gruel’ sounds like insufficient grounds for removing a sitting president and his administration, that’s because it is. But the situation is even worse than it looks, mainly because the information in the assessment is not reliable. The ICA was corrupted by higher-ups in the Intel food-chain who selected particular analysts who could be trusted to produce a document that served their broader political agenda. Think I’m kidding? Take a look at this excerpt from an article at Fox News:

    “On January 6, 2017, the U.S. Intelligence Community issued an “Intelligence Community Assessment” (ICA) that found Russia deliberately interfered in the 2016 presidential election to benefit Trump’s candidacy… (but) there are compelling reasons to believe this ICA was actually a politicized analysis that violated normal rules for crafting intelligence assessments…… to ensure this one reached the bottom line conclusion that the Obama administration was looking for. …

    ….Director of National Intelligence James Clapper explained in his testimony that two dozen or so “seasoned experts” were “handpicked” from the contributing agencies” and drafted the ICA “under the aegis of his former office” … While Clapper claimed these analysts were given “complete independence” to reach their findings, he added that their conclusions “were thoroughly vetted and then approved by the directors of the three agencies and me.”

    This process drastically differed from the Intelligence Community’s normal procedures. Hand-picking a handful of analysts from just three intelligence agencies to write such a controversial assessment went against standing rules to vet such analyses throughout the Intelligence Community within its existing structure. The idea of using hand-picked intelligence analysts selected through some unknown process to write an assessment on such a politically sensitive topic carries a strong stench of politicization….

    A major problem with this process is that it gave John Brennan, CIA’s hyper-partisan former director, enormous influence over the drafting of the ICA. Given Brennan’s scathing criticism of Mr. Trump before and after the election, he should have had no role whatsoever in the drafting of this assessment. Instead, Brennan probably selected the CIA analysts who worked on the ICA and reviewed and approved their conclusions….

    The unusual way that the January 6, 2017 Intelligence Community Assessment was drafted raises major questions as to whether it was rigged by the Obama administration to produce conclusions that would discredit the election outcome and Mr. Trump’s presidency.”

    (“More indications Intel assessment of Russian interference in election was rigged”, Fox News)

    Repeat: “A politicized analysis that violated normal rules for crafting intelligence assessments.” That says it all, doesn’t it?

    Let’s take a minute and review the main points in the article:

    1–Was the Intelligence Community Assessment the summary work of all 17 US Intelligence Agencies?

    No, it was not. “In his May 8 testimony to a Senate Judiciary subcommittee hearing, Clapper confirmed …(that) the ICA reflected the views of only three intelligence agencies — CIA, NSA and FBI – not all 17.”

    2–Did any of the analysts challenge the findings in the ICA?

    No, the document failed to acknowledge any dissenting views, which suggests that the analysts were screened in order to create consensus.

    3– Were particular analysts chosen to produce the ICA?

    Yes, they were “handpicked from the contributing agencies” and drafted the ICA “under the aegis of his former office” (the Office of the Director of National Intelligence.)

    4– Was their collaborative work released to the public in its original form?

    No, their conclusions “were thoroughly vetted and then approved by the directors of the three agencies and me.” (Clapper) This of course suggests that the document was political in nature and crafted to deliver a particular message.

    5–Were Clapper’s methods “normal” by Intelligence agency standards?

    Definitely not. “This process drastically differed from the Intelligence Community’s normal procedures.”

    6–Are Clapper and Brennan partisans who have expressed their opposition to Trump many times in the past calling into question their ability to be objective in executing their duties as heads of their respective agencies?

    Absolutely. Check out this clip from Monday’s Arkansas online:

    “I think, in many ways, our institutions are under assault, both externally — and that’s the big news here, is the Russian interference in our election system,” said James Clapper, the former director of national intelligence. “I think as well our institutions are under assault internally.”

    When he was asked, “Internally, from the president?” Clapper said, “Exactly.” (Clapper calls Trump democracy assailant”, arkansasonline)

    Brennan has made numerous similar statements. (Note: It is particularly jarring that Clapper– who oversaw the implementation of the modern surveillance police state– feels free to talk about “the assault on our institutions.”)

    7–Does the ICA prove that anyone on the Trump campaign colluded with Russia or that Russia meddled in the 2016 elections?

    No, it doesn’t. What it shows is that –even while Clapper and Brennan may have been trying to produce an assessment that would ‘kill two birds with one stone’, (incriminate Russia and smear Trump at the same time) the ICA achieved neither. So far, there’s no proof of anything. Now take a look at this list I found in an article at The American Thinker:

    “12 prominent public statements by those on both sides of the aisle who reviewed the evidence or been briefed on it confirmed there was no evidence of Russia trying to help Trump in the election or colluding with him:

    The New York Times (Nov 1, 2016);
    House Speaker Paul Ryan (Feb, 26, 2017);
    Former DNI James Clapper , March 5, 2017);
    Devin Nunes Chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, March 20, 2017);
    James Comey, March 20, 2017;
    Rep. Chris Stewart, House Intelligence Committee, March 20, 2017;
    Rep. Adam Schiff, House Intelligence committee, April 2, 2017);
    Senator Dianne Feinstein, Senate Intelligence Committee, May 3, 2017);
    Sen. Joe Manchin Senate Intelligence Committee, May 8, 2017;
    James Clapper (again) (May 8, 2017);
    Rep. Maxine Waters, May 9, 2017);
    President Donald Trump,(May 9, 2017).
    Senator Grassley, Chairman of the Senate Judiciary committee, indicated that his briefing confirmed Dianne Feinstein’s view that the President was not under investigation for colluding with the Russians.”
    (“Russian Hacking and Collusion: Put the Cards on the Table”, American Thinker)

    Keep in mind, this is a list of the people who actually “reviewed the evidence”, and even they are not convinced. It just goes to show that the media blitz is not based on any compelling proof, but on the determination of behind-the-scenes elites who want to destroy their political rivals. Isn’t that what’s really going on?

    How does former FBI Director James Comey fit into all this?

    First of all, we need to set the record straight on Comey so readers don’t get the impression that he’s the devoted civil servant and all-around stand-up guy he’s made out to be in the media. Here’s a short clip from an article by Human Rights First that will help to put things into perspective:

    “Five former FBI agents…raised concerns about his (Comey’s) support for a legal memorandum justifying torture and his defense of holding an American citizen indefinitely without charge. They note that Comey concurred with a May 10, 2005, Office of Legal Counsel opinion that authorized torture. While the agents credited Comey for opposing torture tactics in combination and on policy grounds, they note that Comey still approved the legal basis for use of specific torture tactics.

    “These techniques include cramped confinement, wall-standing, water dousing, extended sleep deprivation, and waterboarding, all of which constitute torture or cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment in contravention of domestic and international law,” the letter states.

    Those signing the letter to the committee also objected to Comey’s defense of detaining Americans without charge or trial and observed, “Further, Mr. Comey vigorously defended the Bush administration’s decision to hold Jose Padilla, a United States citizen apprehended on U.S. soil, indefinitely without charge or trial for years in a military brig in Charleston, South Carolina.” (“FBI Agents Urge Senate Judiciary Committee to Question Comey on Torture, Indefinite Detention”, Human Rights First)

    Get the picture?

    Comey is a vicious political opportunist who doesn’t mind breaking a few legs if it’ll advance his career plans. I wouldn’t trust the man as far as I could throw him. Which isn’t far.

    American Thinker’s Clarice Feldman explains why Comey launched his counter-intel investigation in July 2016 but failed to notify Congress until March 2017, a full eight months later. Here’s what she said:

    “There is only one reasonable explanation for FBI Director James Comey to be launching a counter-intel investigation in July 2016, notifying the White House and Clapper, and keeping it under wraps from congress. Comey was a participant in the intelligence gathering for political purposes — wittingly, or unwittingly.” (“Russian Hacking and Collusion: Put the Cards on the Table”, American Thinker)

    Are we suggesting that the heads of the so called Intelligence Community are at war with the Trump Administration and paving the way for impeachment proceedings?

    Yep, we sure are. The Russia hacking fiasco is a regime change operation no different than the CIA’s 50-or-so other oustings in the last 70 years. The only difference is that this operation is on the home field which is why everyone is so flustered. These things are only suppose to happen in those “other” countries.

    Does this analysis make me a Donald Trump supporter?

    Never. The idea is ridiculous. Trump might be the worst US president of all time, in fact, he probably is. But that doesn’t mean there aren’t other nefarious forces at work behind the smokescreen of democratic government. There are. In fact, this whole flap suggests that there’s an alternate power-structure that operates completely off the public’s radar and has the elected-government in its death-grip. This largely invisible group of elites controls the likes of Brennan, Clapper and Comey. And, apparently, they have enough influence to challenge and maybe even remove an elected president from office. (We’ll see.)

    And what’s more surprising, is that the Democrats have aligned themselves with these deep state puppetmasters. They’ve cast their lot with the sinister stewards of the national security state and hopped on the impeachment bandwagon. But is that a wise choice for the Dems?

    Author Michael J. Glennon doesn’t think so. Here’s what he says in the May edition of Harper’s Magazine:

    “Those who would counter the illiberalism of Trump with the illiberalism of unfettered bureaucrats would do well to contemplate the precedent their victory would set. …

    American history is not silent about the proclivities of unchecked security forces, a short list of which includes the Palmer Raids, the FBI’s blackmailing of civil rights leaders, Army surveillance of the antiwar movement, the NSA’s watch lists, and the CIA’s waterboarding. …. Who would trust the authors of past episodes of repression as a reliable safeguard against future repression?”

    (“Security Breach– Trump’s tussle with the bureaucratic state”, Michael J. Glennon, Harper’s Magazine)

    “Who?”

    The Democrats, that’s who.

    MIKE WHITNEY lives in Washington state. He is a contributor to Hopeless: Barack Obama and the Politics of Illusion (AK Press). Hopeless is also available in a Kindle edition.

    • anne55

      For God’s sakes, how many times do I have to say this?? Fox retracted it story yesterday and said it wasn’t good journalism and ‘not up to it’s standards’.

      For me, this is just a way for Republicans to detract from the Trump / Russia story – which is THE real story.

  • GPS Daddy

    Rachel, have you read David French take on this over at the national review? Either this is serious fake news or a serious indictment of the DNC. 15 years ago I would brush this off as a conspiracy theory… today it seems very possible.

    • anne55

      IT HAS BEEN DEBUNKED. FOX RETRACTED IT’S STORY.

      END OF STORY.

      • GPS Daddy

        The story ends when we know who murdered him. Since there are people coming out saying there is something to this theory then someone needs to listen and follow up. Maybe the people coming forward are doing so to stir the pot. I don’t KNOW and neither do YOU.

        • anne55

          The story is none of our business. It is being used for political purposes. Let the family have peace. Let the DC police and detectives do their job.

          Unfortunately, solving crimes isn’t always easy.
          Quote: “Violent crime in America has been falling for two decades. That’s the good news. The bad news is, when crimes occur, they mostly go unpunished.

          In fact, for most major crimes, police don’t even make an arrest or identify a suspect. That’s what police call “clearing” a crime; the “clearance rate” is the percentage of offenses cleared.”

          www(dot)npr(dot)org(slash)2015(slash)03(slash)30(slash)395799413(slash)how-many-crimes-do-your-police-clear-now-you-can-find-out

          • GPS Daddy

            Yup, it’s none of our business if Seth did not transfer the emails. If he did then it everyone’s business. Since you don’t know the truth you can’t make the call.

          • anne55

            You can’t either. So, I say we all stop writing and talking about this and let the police do their job.

          • GPS Daddy

            I’m not judging either way. If the police aren’t finding the killer then the public needs to get involved. The police aren’t making headway.

          • anne55

            And for heaven’s sakes – what is the public going to do from their armchairs at home re: helping to solve a murder?

          • anne55

            But we shouldn’t be making it EVERYONE’s business (as many are) until the police investigation is finished.

          • GPS Daddy

            So, anne55, which theory of man do you subscribe too in John’s article, “This 1962 Novel Predicted Western Collapse and Islam’s Takeover”?

          • anne55

            No idea what you are talking about…

          • GPS Daddy

            Look on The Stream

          • anne55

            I will have to do it later. Memorial Day weekend trip.

      • Jim Walker

        Fox retracted because of commercial reasons. 2 Advertisers pull out.
        Whether Fox retracted or not, we all need to push for the truth to be out.
        Don’t you want the truth ?

        • anne55

          I’ve not heard that. They wrote it was not up to journalistic standards. That means it was a crappy article, crappy reporting.

          • Jim Walker

            You mean :
            Crappy News Network.
            All Bullsh1t Crap
            Nothing But Crap
            May Sound Nice But Crap
            Crap Nothing But Crap

        • GPS Daddy

          Where did you hear that Fox News retracted due to advertisers and not journalistic standards?

          • Jim Walker

            It’s all over the news.
            Initially 2, now 5. It’s so funny when CrapNewsNetwork spew some of the worst lies, nothing happened
            GPS Daddy I’ve not seen such events before when there are so many people who are so blinded by so much falsehoods.
            It’s really happening…

          • anne55

            Okay, you are right. I am finding references to advertisers pulling out. I actually don’t blame them with all the scandals and shoddy reporting at Fox. Think Roger Ailles, Bill O’Reilly, and now this conspiracy theory about Seth Rich.

            The Hill also says (quoting the family)

            “The family of Seth Rich wrote a letter to Hannity’s executive producer urging the primetime program to stop pushing the conspiracy theory.

            “Think about how you would feel losing a son or brother. And while dealing with this, you had baseless accusations of your lost family member being part of a vast conspiracy,” Aaron Rich wrote in the letter, which was provided to CNN.

            “As the family, we would hope to be the first people to learn about any such evidence and reasons for Seth’s death,” Rich continued.

            “It is a travesty that you would prompt false conspiracy theories and other people’s agendas rather than work with the family to learn the truth.”

            The Rich family thanked Fox for the retraction.

            “The family would like to thank Fox News for their retraction on a story that has caused deep pain and anguish to the family and has done harm to Seth Rich’s legacy,” a family spokesman told CNN.

            “We are hopeful that in the future Fox News will work with the family to ensure the highest degree of professionally and scrutiny is followed so that only accurate facts are reported serving this case.”

            That is enough for me. Let the police do their job. Frankly, from where I sit, it appears that the much greater likelihood is that they want to dump stuff on a young man who tragically lost his life late at night that rightfully concerns only Russia and the Trump Administration. That is the height of cowardice.

          • Jim Walker

            Can you for once try to be open about this and research more and not just close the issue pinning the death was just a botched robbery?
            There are 2 stages towards his death. 1. He was shot twice but he survived
            2. He wasn’t in critical condition after surgery but some people blocked medical staff from monitoring his condition and give medical care.
            And he is dead. Doesn’t that tingle your senses ? Or you are just trusting everything you read ?
            His family may be threatened with harm to push for the truth.
            The dark powers of govt before Trump will go to all means to stay in power.
            I’m indicating all the above with “may be”, I’m opened to future updates and hope the truth be told and that’s all I’m asking and hoping.
            Please have an open mind.

          • anne55

            I want you to PROVE to me that they blocked medical staff from monitoring his condition. No legitimate hospital I know of would do that. Prove it please with a reliable news source.

          • Jim Walker

            anne55 – What reliable news source would you consider reliable ? There are none from the MSM. Fox is the most accurate and believe me I watch all of them. FYI I used to be a Hillary supporter.

            Remember I ask you to read the news posted here by llatpoh ?
            That is the news.
            MSM won’t air it for sure because they are all on the Dems side.

          • GPS Daddy

            Did you see this?

            dailywire(dot)com(slash)news(slash)16900(slash)breaking-obamas-fbi-passed-around-classified-ben-shapiro

          • Jim Walker

            Yes I read and saw the video on Youtube as well.
            Trolls will say these are conspiracy theories as well.
            I see the trend. There is nothing they would agree with here, nothing.

          • anne55

            So, I tried this link. I had two warnings, from two different fact checking sites, that this site is a frequent sponsor of fake news.

            “RIGHT BIAS

            These media sources are moderately to strongly biased toward conservative causes through story selection and/or political affiliation. They may utilize strong loaded words (wording that attempts to influence an audience by using appeal to emotion or stereotypes), publish misleading reports and omit reporting of information that may damage conservative causes. Some sources in this category may be untrustworthy. See all Right Bias sources.

            Factual Reporting: MIXED

            Notes: The Daily Wire is a politically conservative American news and opinion website founded in 2015 by conservative political commentator Ben Shapiro, who currently serves as Editor-in-chief. Presents news with a right wing bias in reporting and wording. The Daily Wire has also published false information such as this and this from Ben Shapiro.

        • anne55

          Prove it.

          • Comment Monster

            Why are you so shut up! about this?

    • Rachel Alexander

      Interesting. While I greatly respect David French, and usually agree with him, I’ve found I occasionally disagree with his opinions. This does not surprise me. He is a bit more opinionated than I am. I prefer to present the evidence and let the readers decide, rather than come out when addressing tough issues like this and decide no, it wasn’t a botched robbery and Wikileaks was involved, or yes, it was a botched robbery and he wasn’t the DNC leaker.

      • GPS Daddy

        Yea, sometimes I agree with him m and other times I think he is out to lunch.

        • anne55

          Despite this, the main pushers of this conspiracy theory RETRACTED their story. You aren’t paying enough attention to that.

  • anne55

    The video above of Seth’s parents is taken from a GoFundMe page. They were thanking people for their contributions to help find Seth’s killer. His brother also writes that the Seth’s death is ‘being used for political purposes’ and he is quite upset about it.

    https(colon)(slash)(slash)www(dot)gofundme(dot)com(slash)SethRich

    • GPS Daddy

      No anne55, it does not say that his death is being used for political purposes. It says that there are those using his death for their own agendas. The page does not say that they are in disagreement with the theory in this article. It does not say he is quite upset about it. Here is the relevant text:

      “His murder remains a mystery, and despite the hard work of the detectives at the Washington Metropolitan Police Department, we have still been unable to get the answers to the questions surrounding his death. Because of the lack of clear evidence in the case, Seth’s job working for the Democratic National Committee and the caustic political environment we find ourselves in today, many people have used my brother’s murder for their own agendas. Every few weeks another conspiracy theory surfaces, another promise of credible information and another lack of evidence to support the crazy claims being made.”

      • anne55

        You didn’t look at all three pages on the Gofundme site. It also says:
        “Hi Everyone,

        In light of recent events, I wanted to post a quick update.

        First and foremost, I wanted to thank everyone for their support in answering the only question that matters- who killed Seth? Being committed to the facts will be what answers that question.

        To date, we have not used any of the raised funds. As previously stated, we will report when we do.

        Recent events have unfortunately highlighted our family’s need for total independence and control of any private effort to help solve the
        murder. We can’t take offers of help from third parties as even with steps put in place meant to protect us, we still find our family being used for political motives.

        We have never tried to hurt and use others the way we keep getting hurt and used.

        I will ask again if everyone would re-share this effort one more time. Help allow us the independence we need to assist, not impede, the solving of Seth’s murder. Allow us, Seth’s family, to seek out the help required, and not rely on aid offered with strings.

        Thank you again for your support.

        -Aaron

        So, yes, he says “…we still find our family being used for POLITICAL motives…” and “…we have never tried to hurt and use others the way we keep getting hurt and used.”

        You didn’t read all three pages and Yes, his brother says POLITICAL motives and that they keep getting hurt and used (that sounds upset to me).

        • GPS Daddy

          Ah, I thought I went through all the pages must have missed that one.

          Higher stakes games are being played. If Seth did not give the emails to Wikileaks then The Stream will owe his family a big apology. In the other hand, if he did then the DNC will owe their family a huge apology even if they did not murder their son.

          • anne55

            I agree we don’t know who murdered Seth. But, his own family does not want his name sullied without absolute proof. They feel that all this Wikileaks innuendo is a distraction from finding his killer. And Fox News has admitted this ‘journalism’ wasn’t up to it’s standards and based on ‘not much’. OF COURSE, Assange and Russia would LOVE to blame someone else as it distracts and takes the pressure off of them.

            While I certainly don’t know who killed Seth Rich (no one does), implying that this was a hit job when “no one knows” does the real investigation and the family a disservice. It is also a disservice to finding the truth based on facts.

          • WeNeedTruth

            You’re the one saying Seth’s name is being “sullied.” We believe that IF he was the one that exposed the DNC for rigging the primary, then he is a hero. Millions of people wrongly assumed they were voting in an honest election. We found out it was all rigged for Hillary “because she deserved it.” You use the word “sullied.” If he was the one to get the truth out, he is a hero.

          • anne55

            Depends on what side of the fence you are on. His family is upset by the conspiracy theories.

            “Because of the lack of clear evidence in the case, Seth’s job working for the Democratic National Committee and the caustic political environment we find ourselves in today, many people have used my brother’s murder for their own agendas. Every few weeks another conspiracy theory surfaces, another promise of credible information and another lack of evidence to support the crazy claims being made.”

            “…we still find our family being used for political motives.

            We have never tried to hurt and use others the way we keep getting hurt and used.”

            Quotes from the Gofundme site. Seth’s brother.

          • wreckinball

            It appears folks want to find the murderer as long as the motive has nothing to do with Wikileaks.
            If you are investigating you have to accept the evidence and keep working backwards from the crime. Not assume a conclusion. Police don’t like unsolved things so it could be they just want to close it.
            It also could be something else since there is a guy claiming to have evidence. I suggest we see what he has and then judge. There are a lot of folks that are pre-judging.

          • anne55

            That’s exactly right and that is what they are trying to do. Except these darn conspiracy theories just keep popping up to cloud things.

          • anne55

            The problem with your logic is that it is backwards. You don’t start out assuming a particular narrative. You look for evidence …any evidence..that will lead you to the truth. You are looking only for evidence based on your belief that Wikileaks and this DNC staffer are connected. You are ignoring other, more logical, explanations.

          • anne55

            Oh, my god. You’re guy WON and you are still complaining about rigged elections?

            That boggles my mind.

            And every reliable government source says the story isn’t illegal voting…it is voter suppression.

          • wreckinball

            He was murdered. Why the enormous DNC interest and the hiring of a spokesperson?
            Botched robbery, seriously. Unsolved murder would be more accurate and if the DCP just stuck with that until they had evidence they would have a lot more credibility.
            I mean what investigator does not interview the last person who saw the victim alive?

          • anne55

            The only ‘enormous’ interest I’ve seen comes from conservative sites. I hear basically nothing from the DNC on this. Give me a link to your claim.

          • wreckinball

            The interest is in dismissing Dotcom’s claims, sight unseen as conspiracy and trying to run anyone who reports it out of town. You have to be living in a cave if you can’t see that.

          • anne55

            I am not interested in the opinions of a man “… accused of criminal copyright infringement and other charges, such as money laundering, racketeering and wire fraud, by the U.S. Department of Justice.” Dotcom denies the charges, and is currently fighting attempts to extradite him to the United States.” Sounds like a real reliable guy, doesn’t he? If he has proof (he has presented none) he can show it from the safety of his home country.

            He also has legal woes in at least 3 other countries.

          • wreckinball

            There is no pressure on Assange? Which makes his claim of an inside job credible. He has no motive to claim otherwise or he could just be completely silent.
            You realize that the basis for Russian hacking is a third party paid DNC report. The report states that the malware used has been used in the past by Russians. It also has been used by non-Russians. And the DNC did not allow law enforcement to look at their servers. They just accepted a paid DNC rep[ort created during a political campaign
            Nothing fishy there. Nope

          • anne55

            No pressure on Assange? Are you kidding me? The man is a captive in the Ecuadorian embassy in London. He can’t leave.

            “Some speculate that Assange, who has said he fears the death penalty were he ever to be extradited to the US, hopes he would be treated leniently by a Trump administration. Others suspect the heart of the matter is the Russian connection: Assange, like Trump, seems strikingly comfortable with Putin. A former host of a talk show on Putin’s propaganda channel, Russia Today, Assange once requested his own private security detail within the Ecuadorian embassy, nominating Russians for the task.

            He also has a long-running grievance against Hillary Clinton, who he believes wants him indicted for the leaks of more than 250,000 diplomatic cables—during her watch as secretary of state—that made his name. As he has written of Clinton, “She shouldn’t be let near a gun shop, let alone an army. And she certainly should not become president of the United States.”

            So this is no mere journalistic venture of Assange’s. It is a clear attempt to intervene in the US election, tilting the outcome in favor of Donald Trump.”

            This was from an article pre-election. I believe Assange had his own motives.
            http(colon)(slash)(slash)www(dot)nybooks(dot)com(slash)daily(slash)2016(slash)10(slash)19(slash)wikileaks-why-is-assange-helping-trump(slash)

          • wreckinball

            You’re fixated on the answer to all things is Russian. Which we have spent almost a year trying to connect Trump to and I guess we didn’t like the previous team’s failure to find evidence so we had to get a new team. But the answer is that Trump illegally colluded with the Russians and the mission seems to be keep looking maybe forever.
            You can’t seem to accept that there are other possibilities regarding how Wikileaks obtained the emails. This murder is unsolved. It could be a botched robbery or it could be a hit job. Circumstantial evidence indicates its not a robbery since he wasn’t robbed and was shot in the back twice.
            Some folks seem to protest too much and wish it to be labeled a botched robbery and move on. Lets see if Dotcom comes up with anything.

          • anne55

            I found the previous team just fine. Trump, apparently, did not. So, he fired the team head investigating him. That, my friend, is call obstruction of justice. You are right. I can’t accept that a young staffer, not all that high up on the chain of command, would be involved in something ‘this big’. It just doesn’t make any sense whatsoever. Many Bernie supporters switched to supporting Hillary even tho she wasn’t their first choice. I count myself among that group. This just makes NO SENSE. Even Trump has said his firing of Comey was because of the Russian thing. I think Republicans have become totally blinded of late. They can’t see clearly at all.

          • Jim Walker

            “Even Trump has said his firing of Comey was because of the Russian thing”
            Once again you are pushing your opinion and pass it truth.
            I think you are a free troll. I respect paid ones more because at least they work for it.

          • anne55

            Watch Trump say it on this video. I’m not making this up.
            https(colon)(slash)(slash)www(dot)theguardiandot)com(slash)us-news(slash)2017(slash)may(slash)11(slash)donald-trump-james-comey-firing-russia-investigation

          • Jim Walker

            We debated about this before anne55. I told you to watch the video and you did and still you lean towards your false beliefs. Do some soul searching anne55.

          • anne55

            I have. That is why I am writing here. I think the evidence heavily stacks towards something illegal with the Trump Administration. And, I’d say they act pretty guilty much of the time.

          • Jim Walker

            Previously it was “Trump said it”, now its “I think”.
            I can see you are mincing your words to gain some credibility.

            There is nothing on Trump, there is no Russian hacking, the only thing that has the name Russian is probably the goulash they ate.

            Why would the Russians help Trump when Hillary help them to secure 20% of uranium from the US? If I’m Putin, I’d want Hillary to win.

          • anne55

            Putin hated Hillary. There is plenty of documentation on that.

            “When mass protests against Russian President Vladimir Putin erupted in Moscow in December 2011, Putin made clear who he thought was really behind them: Secretary of State Hillary Clinton.

            With the protesters accusing Putin of having rigged recent elections, the Russian leader pointed an angry finger at Clinton, who had issued a statement sharply critical of the voting results. “She said they were dishonest and unfair,” Putin fumed in public remarks, saying that Clinton gave “a signal” to demonstrators working “with the support of the U.S. State Department” to undermine his power. “We need to safeguard ourselves from this interference in our internal affairs,” Putin declared.”

            from Politico
            Why Putin hates Hillary
            Behind the allegations of a Russian hack of the DNC is the Kremlin leader’s fury at Clinton for challenging the fairness of Russian elections.
            By MICHAEL CROWLEY and JULIA IOFFE 07/25/2016 06:20 PM EDT

          • Sam Pyeatte

            I wonder if “anne55” is Chelsea Clinton…or Hillary.

          • Rachel Alexander

            I’m not really sure what you mean here. I am reporting the evidence, and allowing the readers to come to their conclusions. Are you saying if it turns out that Rich did turn over the emails to Wikileaks, that you will apologize to us?

          • GPS Daddy

            That response was to anne55, not you. Sorry for the confusion.

  • Christian Cowboy

    Father I pray that you give each of us discernment that we may find the truth and that the truth sets us free.

  • wreckinball

    The murder is unsolved. The “botched” robbery theory has zero evidence. He wasn’t robbed. Shot twice in the back. None of this adds up to a robbery. It does add up to a murder.
    The story has not been debunked. The story has been squelched by the media. A lot different than debunked.

  • llatpoh

    If there is no connection to wikileaks, why not allow the full investigation of the evidence? Where is the laptop? Why not be transparent regarding the evidence?
    Clearly this is not what the “establishment” wants… there must be a reason…

    • wreckinball

      Because it might not give the right answer which is conveniently botched robbery. Nothing to see here move along.
      Respect the family! C’mon man don’t you have feelings?

    • anne55

      “the FBI is not investigating Rich’s murder — it is an MPD investigation.

      We reached out to Wheeler by e-mail and have yet to receive a response, but since the Fox story was published, he has been quoted in several news articles recanting his original story. He told BuzzFeed News the following day, “That story on Fox 5 last night was inaccurate. I don’t even know where the computers are.”

      On 19 May 2017, the Rich family attorney sent Wheeler a cease and desist letter saying he had violated a contract forbidding him to publicly disclose information about the case and threatening to sue if he continues to do so.

      We contacted the office of Washington D.C. Mayor Muriel Bowser to ask if there was a lurid connection between the mayor, the DNC, and Rich’s death, and got a flat denial from spokesman Kevin Harris:

      All claims made by Mr. Wheeler are false and take fake news to a whole new level. The family deserves better and everyday MPD continues to work diligently to solve this case.
      We also asked the police department about Wheeler’s claims that the department was stepping back from the investigation. A spokesperson for the department denied it and said that the investigation remains active:

      The assertions put forward by Mr. Wheeler are unfounded. The Metropolitan Police Department’s (MPD) Homicide Branch is actively investigating Mr. Rich’s murder and we continue to work with the family to bring closure to this case as we do with all homicide investigations. If there are any individuals who feel they have information, we urge them to call us at 202-727-9099 or text us at 50411. The department is offering a reward of up to $25,000 for information on this case that leads to the arrest and conviction of the person or persons responsible.
      Bauman said in a statement that Wheeler was not authorized to speak on behalf of the family, and added the family only learned of the new round of accusations through news reports:

      Even if tomorrow, an e-mail was found, it is not a high enough bar of evidence to prove any interactions, as e-mails can be altered and we’ve seen that those interested in pushing conspiracies will stop at nothing to do so. We are a family who is committed to facts, not fake evidence that surfaces every few months to fill the void and distract law enforcement and the general public from finding Seth’s murderers. The services of the private investigator who spoke to press was offered to the Rich family and paid for by a third party, and contractually was barred from speaking to press or anyone outside of law enforcement or the family, unless explicitly authorized by the family…

      lthough the Fox report claims Wheeler is a private investigator, a search for Wheeler’s name on the public lookup tool for licenses in Washington D.C. yields no results. We also checked for a license under his name in Maryland, where his firm Capitol Investigations is based. This search also yielded no results. When we asked MPD whether he was indeed a homicide detective with the department, they only confirmed he once worked there starting in 1990. He was dismissed by the department in 1995, but a spokesman did not explain why.

      NBC News identified the “third party” who hired Wheeler to investigate Rich’s murder as Ed Butowsky, a Dallas-based financial adviser, who is also a Fox News contributor.”

      Snopes report

      • llatpoh

        WASHINGTON (INTELLIHUB) — A 4-year resident surgeon at Washington Hospital Center claims that Seth Rich was alive and recovering well in facility’s Intensive Care Unit (ICU) after being treated for a total of 3 routine gunshot wounds — that is until a number of law enforcement officers arrived eight hours later kicking most everyone out of the ICU and physically barring doctors and others from attending to Rich.

        The surgeon who witnessed this bizarre behavior decided to come forth with the information despite the fact that he or she may be easy to identify.

        Posted on May 17, to 4chan under the anonymous ID: “rhotYJAg,” the surgeon wrote:

        4th year surgery resident here who rotated at WHC (Washington Hospital Center) last year, it won’t be hard to identify me but I feel that I shouldn’t stay silent.

        Seth Rich was shot twice, with 3 total gunshot wounds (entry and exit, and entry). He was taken to the OR emergently where we performed an exlap and found a small injury to segment 3 of the liver which was packed and several small bowel injuries (pretty common for gunshots to the back exiting the abdomen) which we resected ~12cm of bowel and left him in discontinuity (didn’t hook everything back up) with the intent of performing a washout in the morning. He did not have any major vascular injuries otherwise. I’ve seen dozens of worse cases than this which survived and nothing about his injuries suggested to me that he’d sustained a fatal wound.

        In the meantime he was transferred to the ICU and transfused 2 units of blood when his post-surgery crit came back ~20. He was stable and not on any pressors, and it seemed pretty routine. About 8 hours after he arrived we were swarmed by LEOs and pretty much everyone except the attending and a few nurses was kicked out of the ICU (disallowing visiting hours -normally every odd hour, eg 1am, 3am, etc- is not something we do routinely). It was weird as hell. At turnover that morning we were instructed not to round on the VIP that came in last night (that’s exactly what the attending said, and no one except for me and another resident had any idea who he was talking about).

        No one here was allowed to see Seth except for my attending when he died. No code was called. I rounded on patients literally next door but was physically blocked from checking in on him. I’ve never seen anything like it before, and while I can’t say 100% that he was allowed to die, I don’t understand why he was treated like that. Take it how you may, /pol/, I’m just one low level doc. Something’s fishy though, that’s for sure.

      • mind3

        Golly golly. Aren’t you so concerned that the Rich case be ignored. Hmmm. So differed to the Russia investigations into ….. into…. well they dont know the crime yet. The democrats are vomiting with fear that they will face justice. And they will…..

        • anne55

          No they don’t. But, our HIGHEST levels of law enforcement are investigating the Russia connection. And, you know what? If they thought a DC staffer was somehow complicit in this, I’m sure the FBI would be involved in that too. The fact that they aren’t speaks volumes about what they think.

        • She quotes snopes, lol!

        • anne55

          I am interested in the debunking of all conspiracy theories. They do our country no good.

  • mind3

    I am amazed at the amount of hysteria in the main stream press about this very very interesting story. It is a complete contrast to the unending baseless Russia conspiracy they bore us with. I hope there is a full and open investigation into the murder. Is that possible these days in a democrat controlled city?

    • anne55

      Do you consider the National Review part of the MSM? And, what do you mean a democrat controlled city? Seems like the Republicans are firmly in charge in the Capital.

      • mind3

        Only democrats quote national review. As for DC – umm – YES they have a democrat mayor and council. Otherwise we’d be seeing the democrat criminals locked up.

        • anne55

          Are you kidding me? Very few Dems even read that magazine.

          • Rachel Alexander

            Anne betrays she’s clueless about National Review. It’s not “The” National Review. It’s National Review.

          • anne55

            So what? I read it. I write there. And I am interested in how their views on Trump are changing.

          • wsteinbr

            While that may be true, National Review is changing…
            washingtonpost(dot)com – A-yuge-number-of-conservatives-just-shredded-donald-trump-in-the-national-review from 2016/1/22

          • anne55

            That doesn’t make the site a Democratic one. Maybe the NR is beginning to see something you aren’t.

          • wsteinbr

            I doubt it. I read both sides. I am mostly Republican, but differ sometimes in viewpoint. President Trump is doing quite a great job so far.

      • Sam Pyeatte

        Seth Rich was murdered while the Dems were in charge of the Executive Branch (July 10, 2016). I am only surprised he wasn’t killed with a baseball bat – to put a colorful explanation point on it. (Robert De Niro, The Untouchables). The Clinton mob definitely fits the gangster image.

        • anne55

          You avoided my question. The National Review has debunked it as well.

        • anne55

          Obama may have been the President. But Republicans were still in control of Congress last summer.

    • anne55

      If the FBI thought this story was connected to their Russian investigation, I’m sure they’d be all over it. Remember…both Comey and the head of the CIA are Republicans.

  • anne55

    Even the conservative National Review says this story is total bunk. Good for the National Review.

    http(colon)(slash)(slash)www(dot)nationalreview(dot)com(slash)article(slash)447903(slash)sean-hannity-seth-rich-conspiracy-theory-disgrace

  • wreckinball

    Its also interesting how mums the word the DCP is. If it truly is a botched robbery then publicize the heck out of all information in the hopes citizens can turn in the killers.
    If its a truly a botched robbery and the police are stumped release information to the public so that they can possibly help.
    There was a TV show America’s Most Wanted which worked pretty good.
    Except mums the word?

  • Jim Walker

    To those who debunk “conspiracy theories” that Seth was just a the wrong place at the wrong time. Please answer me : Who, why killed Seth Rich ?
    Most if not all murders/crime that happened in political arena, weren’t solved. Why ?

    • anne55

      Many murders, political or not, remain unsolved. We don’t know who killed Seth Rich. We do know that the story was withdrawn as a piece of shoddy journalism.

      • Jim Walker

        Go read the post from llatpoh – Let me guess, nothing there as well.
        Only trolls resident or temporary ones will comment like this.

        • anne55

          Go read mine too.

        • anne55

          So, we silence freedom of speech by calling people ‘trolls’ when we don’t like or agree with a differing opinion? I call that being a bully.

          • Jim Walker

            You come to this website and you just go against everyone and everything. In fact you offer nothing with your new age beliefs. We aren’t changing you and you sure aren’t changing us. Its best we part ways.

          • anne55

            Goodbye.

        • anne55

          So, let me see an article from a reliable source that names the hospital and the staff. I said somewhere else around here that, in a busy hospital, you aren’t going to get law enforcement officers arriving and kicking people out of a room without a great number of hospital staff being witness to that event.

    • anne55

      Many murders, political or not, remain unsolved. We don’t know who killed Seth Rich. We do know that the story was withdrawn as a piece of shoddy journalism.

      • Jim Walker

        The last time you agreed that its the Advertisers that pressure Fox to stop the news, now its shoddy journalism ? Why is it shoddy ? They interviewed the PI employed by the Rich family not someone else who have “opinions”.
        You want to see shoddy journalism ? go to all the other MSM.

        • anne55

          You were right in the sense that advertisers were pulling out. They likely saw the writing on the wall, so to speak, that continuing to advertise on a site with blatantly fake conspiracy theories was not going to a) make them money, b) win them customers and c) give their companies a good name. They were smart actually. And, in addition, Fox stated that this ‘story’ was not up to their journalistic standards. That is a nice way to say it was shoddy journalism.

  • llatpoh

    —- A 4-year resident surgeon at Washington Hospital Center claims that Seth Rich was alive and recovering well in facility’s Intensive Care Unit (ICU) after being treated for a total of 3 routine gunshot wounds — that is until a number of law enforcement officers arrived eight hours later kicking most everyone out of the ICU and physically barring doctors and others from attending to Rich.

    The surgeon who witnessed this bizarre behavior decided to come forth with the information despite the fact that he or she may be easy to identify.

    Posted on May 17, to 4chan under the anonymous ID: “rhotYJAg,” the surgeon wrote:

    4th year surgery resident here who rotated at WHC (Washington Hospital Center) last year, it won’t be hard to identify me but I feel that I shouldn’t stay silent.

    Seth Rich was shot twice, with 3 total gunshot wounds (entry and exit, and entry). He was taken to the OR emergently where we performed an exlap and found a small injury to segment 3 of the liver which was packed and several small bowel injuries (pretty common for gunshots to the back exiting the abdomen) which we resected ~12cm of bowel and left him in discontinuity (didn’t hook everything back up) with the intent of performing a washout in the morning. He did not have any major vascular injuries otherwise. I’ve seen dozens of worse cases than this which survived and nothing about his injuries suggested to me that he’d sustained a fatal wound.

    In the meantime he was transferred to the ICU and transfused 2 units of blood when his post-surgery crit came back ~20. He was stable and not on any pressors, and it seemed pretty routine. About 8 hours after he arrived we were swarmed by LEOs and pretty much everyone except the attending and a few nurses was kicked out of the ICU (disallowing visiting hours -normally every odd hour, eg 1am, 3am, etc- is not something we do routinely). It was weird as hell. At turnover that morning we were instructed not to round on the VIP that came in last night (that’s exactly what the attending said, and no one except for me and another resident had any idea who he was talking about).

    No one here was allowed to see Seth except for my attending when he died. No code was called. I rounded on patients literally next door but was physically blocked from checking in on him. I’ve never seen anything like it before, and while I can’t say 100% that he was allowed to die, I don’t understand why he was treated like that. Take it how you may, /pol/, I’m just one low level doc. Something’s fishy though, that’s for sure.

    • wreckinball

      So did this person go to the police?

      • anne55

        Why is this not widely reported in the media? Surely this ‘resident’ wouldn’t be the only one at a busy hospital that observed this if it were true. I use to work in a hospital and you ‘can’t keep things secret’ there. Ain’t possible. You know, anyone can anonymously post and claim ANYTHING with little to no consequences. And, people that are eager to believe will lap it up.

  • Gary

    There was a murder of a US President, in 1963, that was covered up. More than three thousand people were murdered on 9/11, and that was covered up. I don’t know who killed Rich, or why. But if it was someone with the right connections to people in power, it will be covered up too, unless the people in power want the truth told.

    • anne55

      Why is it that some elements of our country just seem to believe baseless stories rather than the truth? What are you getting out of it?

      Here is an interesting tidbit: https(colon)(slash)(slash)mediabiasfactcheck(dot)com(slash)the-stream(slash)

  • Excellent write up, Rachel! Amazingly, yours WAS on the first page of google search: Did Seth Reach give dnc emails to wikileaks?
    …at the very bottom, but every single other hit started with: Conspiracy theory of wukileaks source being Seth Rich…, or, Crazy idea about Seth Rich debunked… ETC.!
    So, you can believe google is doing Their part, lol!

    • Rachel Alexander

      Wow! Thanks so much for letting me know. The Stream hasn’t been let into Google News yet, unfortunately, but to show up that high in regular Google results is pretty amazing. We have a great team that truly understands SEO.

      • And you Won’t be with more pieces like this! They are actively trying to squelch this story!

        • anne55

          No one is trying to squelch it.

      • anne55

        See my reply above Rachel.

    • anne55

      Google ALSO filters your searches, did you know that? So, for instance, if I do a google search of Seth Rich murder, I don’t get Rachel’s write up as the first thing I see. I get articles by Wikipedia, the Washington Post and Think Progress. That is likely because I read a lot of articles on those sites. So, if you are getting articles on conspiracy theories re: Rich and they are popping up first, it is likely because you frequent those sites.

      We should have listened to this guy a LONG time ago!

      https(colon)(slash)(slash)www(dot)ted(dot)com(slash)talks(slash)eli_pariser_beware_online_filter_bubbles

  • sifting

    Seth’s parents, out of respect for their son — and to honor him — should get on board. The Russian hack story is an obvious political hoax. It was a DNC insider — a true American — who leaked the damaging information to WikiLeaks. If evidence proves that was Seth, what a son! …one who laid down his life for the good of his country and fellowman! …making appear an awesome living example!
    Not at all what Podesta had in mind!

    • Tuaca1107

      Seth’s family has been threatened by DNC.

      • anne55

        OMG. Too much.

    • anne55

      Every reliable news source has debunked this…including Fox. And, it is being reported on multiple sites that a number of Fox reporters are quite upset about the elements of Fox (i.e., Hannity) that continue to push this.

  • Chad Helm

    Looks like they freaked out over the Murder and launched the “Russian Collusion” story to cover themselves, once they realized they lost.

    • anne55

      Well, I don’t see the FBI or CIA doing anything at all on the Rich murder. However, that is not true for the Trump / Russia connection.

  • L Garou

    Raise your hand if you believe you know who did it, and why!
    (5 billion hands just went up)

  • Defiant

    Funny that in light of ALL of this Seth Rich evidence that’s being uncovered and points to the DNC…and in light of the multitude of PROVEN crimes of Hillary Clinton…and the SUCCESSFUL Clinton/DNC conspiracy to rob Sanders of the nomination…and Runwaygate…and Benghazi…and the Clinton Foundation…etc. The FBI is focused on these few less-than-whispy RUMORS of Trump/Russia and are wasting untold resources unsuccessfully TRYING to make something stick!

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