Two Out of Three Ain’t Bad: Libertarian Presidential Candidates Support Religious Liberty on LGBT Issues

Bakers have rights, too, argued two of the candidates. The third candidate was all about customer rights.

By Dustin Siggins Published on April 9, 2016

In a little-noticed debate on Fox Business last week, two out of three Libertarian Party candidates for President of the United States backed religious liberty for business owners who don’t agree with a customer’s lifestyle choices.

Hosted by libertarian John Stossel, the candidates were former New Mexico governor Gary Johnson — the party’s standard-bearer in 2012 — security and technology guru John McAfee, and policy writer and former Fox producer Austin Peterson.

According to a video and transcript provided by The Pulse 2016, the religious liberty discussion was launched by Peterson, who accused Johnson of believing “that bakers should be forced to bake wedding cakes for people they disagree with — homosexual couples.”

“And this is a big problem,” said Peterson, “because we’re running for President as a Libertarian …”

Johnson defended his position, saying that “if we discriminate on the basis of religion, to me, that’s doing harm to a big class of people.”

Peterson cut in, asking whether the government should mandate Jews bake a Nazi a wedding cake. Johnson ignored the question, saying Muslims would be harmed if businesses were allowed to refuse service on the basis of religion.

However, after Stossel repeated Peterson’s question about Jewish bakers, Johnson conceded they would. “That would be my contention, yes,” Johnson said. “And the example I cited was, how about, the example I cited was how about the utility, the utility that is privately owned, and because it’s the only market that I have to buy my electricity, they’re going to cut me off for religious reasons.”

Johnson’s position, which was booed by many in the audience, was also opposed by McAfee, to cheers. “Well, if you’re the only baker in town, it may be a problem,” he said. “But no one is forcing you to buy anything or choose one place over another. This is the issue. So why should I be forced to do anything if I am not harming you? And am I harming you by not selling you something? No. It’s my choice to sell and it’s your choice to buy.”

The exchange closed with Johnson and Peterson going head to head, with Johnson noting he opposed and vetoed a hate crime bill as governor. However, he added, “I think that religion is a black hole in that same category, that if you’re going to start discriminating against people because of religion, you’re going to find a whole class of people discriminated against and you may be included in that. So it’s harm to others.”

Peterson rejected that argument, saying Johnson’s position “betrays a fundamental lack of understanding of the free market. You have to allow the marketplace to work. The government cannot stamp out bigotry. The government is not supposed to make us into better people. That’s not what the United States was founded on. The United States was founded so that we could be whatever we wanted …”

According to American Principles Project Communications Director Jon Schweppe, who wrote the post for The Pulse 2016, “Gov. Johnson’s argument didn’t make very much sense. Was he arguing in favor of religious protections for consumers but not sellers? He didn’t seem to understand the issue.”

None of the Libertarian Party candidates supported a traditional view of marriage. Johnson backs “gay unions,” with the government removed from the licensing of marriage. McAfee backs a redefinition of marriage to include same-sex couples, and Peterson wrote in a Facebook post last April, “There’s no right to gay marriage. There’s no right to straight marriage either. Why should my tax dollars go to pay to recognize your sick, twisted, hetero or homo relationship? Polygamy is the most traditional form of marriage and it should stay that way!”

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