Scientists Claim Zapping Brains with Magnets Can Treat Belief in God

By William M Briggs Published on October 15, 2015

Here’s the breathless headline: “Scientists claim they can change your belief on immigrants and God — with MAGNETS.

Wait. Attitudes toward God and immigrants? Are these a natural pair? The newspaper thought so. They tell of an experiment which “claims to be able to make Christians no longer believe in God and make Britons open their arms to migrants.” How’s it done? “Using a technique called transcranial magnetic stimulation” researchers can “safely shut down certain groups of neurones” in the brain.

It seems to have worked. Volunteers were coaxed into having their brains zapped by giant magnets. And, lo! “Belief in God was reduced almost by a third, while participants became 28.5 per cent less bothered by immigration numbers.”

The news report was based on the paper “Neuromodulation of group prejudice and religious belief” by Colin Holbrook and four others in the journal Social Cognitive and Affective Neuroscience. This paper is one in a long line of studies that purport to explain the workings of the human mind based on responses to simple questionnaires.

It’s true. Scientists in some fields have convinced themselves they can quantify the unquantifiable. They believe hideously complex human emotions can be adequately represented on scales of 1 to 5 (or some other bounds). For instance, on a scale of -4 to 4, how much do you agree with the statement, “There exists an all-powerful, all-knowing, loving God”?

Before you answer, consider. Is the distance in belief from 3 to 4 the same as it is from 2 to 3, and from 1 to 2, and so on? Are these distances exactly the same in all people? What happens if the scale were to be changed from -4 to 4 to one from 1 to 9, which is the same length? Would the results be the same? Does everybody agree on the precise definitions of “all-powerful,” “all-knowing” and so on?

The answer is obviously no to all these questions, but Holbrook’s results, and the results from thousands of such investigations, assume the answer is yes. It’s worse than this. Consider the same question about God but after you answer these two questions: “Please briefly describe the emotions that the thought of your own death arouses in you” and “Please jot down, as specifically as you can, what you think will happen to your body as you physically die and once you are physically dead.”

Why? Because, the authors say (in the supplementary material to the main article), these “threat-inductions” have an “evident link between the prospect of death and palliative thoughts of God and the afterlife, and also because” thinking about your own death “has been shown to reliably heighten both intergroup prejudice and religiosity in prior studies.” Thinking about life after death increases intergroup prejudices? That must explain the riot in the pews each Sunday after the Nicene creed is read (“I look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come”). And are palliative thoughts about death the only reason people believe in God? Of course not. This prejudicial prompting is of dubious value.

In the study, questions about belief in God, the niceness of immigrants, and several other subjects were asked of volunteers, half of whom were zapped with magnets. These magnets were aimed at a region in the brain the researchers thought was related to emotions about God and immigrants. Yet brain “regions” of complex emotions are far from well understood. In Brainwashed: The Seductive Appeal of Mindless Neuroscience Sally Satel (psychiatrist) and Scott Lilienfeld (psychologist) say “the half-life of facts can be especially brief” in this field. New results disprove older ones continuously.

After the zapping, all participants were re-asked the same questions. Turns out participants “reported an average of 32.8% less conviction in positive religious beliefs” than those who weren’t zapped. That’s 32.8% and not 32.7%, mind you. In science we demand precision! A wee p-value confirmed that this change was “statistically significant.” There isn’t space here to explain the horror of this statistical approach, but interested readers can learn more here.

This is where it gets interesting. There was, as we have just seen, a small change in the answers to pseudo-quantified questions about positive religious beliefs, but there weren’t any “significant” changes in the answers to pseudo-quantified questions about negative religious beliefs. The same sort of thing happened in the questions about immigrants: Some had wee p-values and some did not. And there were no changes in any of the other questions asked. Yet which “findings” got the headlines?

We still haven’t answered the big question: why. Why did the authors design a study about belief in God and attitudes about immigrants? From their conclusion, written in the impenetrable prose typical of such “studies”:

History teaches that investment in cherished group and religious values can bring forth acts of both heroic valor and horrific injustice. Understanding the psychological and biological determinants of increases in ideological commitment may ultimately help us to identify the situational triggers of, and individuals most susceptible to, this phenomenon, and thereby gain some leverage over the zealous acts that follow. …The results provide evidence that relatively abstract personal and social attitudes are susceptible to targeted neuromodulation, opening the way for researchers to not only describe the biological mechanisms undergirding high-level attitudes and beliefs, but also to establish causality via experimental intervention.

Did you catch that? These scientists hope that in the future belief in God, or in some other politically incorrect question that might — only might — lead to “zealous acts,” can be treated, maybe even cured, by magnet zappings. And there you have the real danger that follows from believing you can quantify the unquantifiable.

 

 

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  • ghostofakid

    There is absolutely no question that if you kill enough brain cells anyone can be made into a Liberal. After all, Liberal is just one step below “Zombie” as it is.

    • billobillo54

      I disagree. Liberals are at least two steps below zombies. There is no evidence that zombies are overwhelmingly self loathing, as ALL liberals are. Also, zombies will sacrifice their own well being (or ill being) for that of the group. Liberals, are the opposite.

      • Dugway

        Zombies also don’t vote. Dead libs do.

    • NeylandSmyth

      Lobotomies make people think different, too. “Zapping” brain cells makes anybody think differently, and doesn’t constitute any kind of medical or scientific advance. Zapping brain cells with a sledge hammer changes peoples minds. But you have a good point about liberals: it doesn’t work if they don’t have a mind to change in the first place.

    • Patent Attorney

      Below or beyond?

    • Can O’Korn

      Liberals don’t have any brain cells to begin with. So “what difference does it make?”.

      • Will-o

        Lol, that reminds me of someone…..just can’t put my middle finger up high enough for her.

    • Susan

      Yea…I’d like to challenge them that it wouldn’t work with me. I’ve been put on Opiates for an extended period of time and they stopped it “cold turkey” and there were absolutely NO ILL EFFECTS. I also can NOT be hypnotized. It’s been tried repeatedly. I’d be willing to give it a try. I believe this is just one more “experiment” that would fail.

    • Rambler

      Great comment!!!

  • hoodtruther

    Fk you scientists. You will never change my belief in God!

    • Jason Nort

      look what we have here…a real f…ing Christian

      • pintorider

        do not feed the trolls

  • snapperman

    Don’t birds migrate based on magnetic resonance in their brains? I’m wondering how this magnet treatment affects your ability to find your way home…

  • Mithrandir

    SCRAMBLE someone’s brain, and they become a liberal? –Doesn’t a lobotomy make someone a passive liberal too?

  • Dan Thompson

    How about we try that method on the atheists and the astrophysicists who believe the universe magically created itself from nothing and that life started on the earth 3 billion years ago when a lightning bolt his some slop on a rock and it magically came alive then magically transformed into every living thing today by randomness and chance. I mean you talk about the faith required to believe that nonsense…blows away the faith required to believe in God.

  • Cahal the Mad™

    Good, now immediately use it on all muslims and we can stop all terrorism and genocide.

    • big_huck

      How about all those lgbtq?bltconfrused suckers out there. Oh, let’s also include the trannies if they were left out in the first group I said.

  • C. D. Carney

    No way. No way… If they really think this is possible, go down to Guantanamo Bay, ask the jihadis the same questions, do the same steps, zap all of them then sit in a locked room with the unchained jihadis for a few minutes. Guarantee not a single one of these “scientists” would say their methods actually work. Don’t cure Christians of belief in God, focus on the important part- convincing muslims to stop blowing themselves up!

  • Obama Mama

    Now we know what caused the liberal inundation of America.

  • freespeech

    If they had tried to cure gay behavior with magnets it would be illegal. But, messing with the minds of Christians and other believers… well that’s so funny.

    • Jeff Dahl

      so true! Can I suggest they try looking for a similar cure to liberalism??

      • pintorider

        I believe Liberalism is a disease of the soul, not the brain…

        • TENDO_CRIATA

          As do I.

  • timpiker

    Why did the headline writer/editor call it “treat” like its a disease? Huh?

    • pintorider

      The belief in allegory and mythology as veridical history or biography could, in some cirlces, constitute a pathology. I do so hope this is finally the cure!

      • TENDO_CRIATA

        How about the belief in sodomy?

        • pintorider

          How ’bout trolling somewhere else.

          • TENDO_CRIATA

            Did I step on your toes?

            GOOD!

          • pintorider

            Ouch!

          • TENDO_CRIATA

            I mess up your toenail polish?

          • pintorider

            No, you stepped on my d i c k.

      • timpiker

        I don’t think there’s any cure for what you have.

        • TENDO_CRIATA

          Final judgement.

        • pintorider

          Did you get over your syphilis yet?

    • Moonbattery

      Welcome to liberalism 101. Rewriting history and even basic physiology to suit their twisted needs.

  • 4freedom

    And if that doesn’t work we can always hook you up to a couple thousand volts.

  • Jason Nort

    I don’t believe that is true. Look what it did to Obama…complete loss of brain cells.

    • big_huck

      Sorry, chooming, coca cola and Reggie’s Love juice came before this crackpot idea.

      • Jason Nort

        Gehh, I have no idea whether you said something good or bad. Did they experiment on you too?

        • big_huck

          Really? He was part of the “choom” gang in high school. He admitted to using coke. Reggie Love is his Chicago bath house buddy.
          I wouldn’t worry about any experiments on me. You???

          • Jason Nort

            OK, you have my apology…you are a good guy 🙂

        • pintorider

          ^^^^^^^^^TROLL^^^^^^^^^

          do not feed the trolls

          • big_huck

            Thanks. First encounter with this Cheetos eating basement dwelling mamas boy or whatever gender he’s decided to be this evening.

  • pintorider

    Hey all you people calling for the use on gays, muslms, etc, excellent idea! Let’s do it on everybody. Make it mandatory and all the Democrats and Rinos will vote for it.

    • big_huck

      Mr. President we can not tolerate a magnet gap with the Russkies.

      • pintorider

        We choose to build these brain magnets in this decade and do the other things, not because they are easy, but because they are hard, because that goal will serve the elites and bring us all closer to a New World Order!

        not ……………………… John F. Kennedy 43rd POTUS

        • big_huck

          I was thinking of President Merton (can’t remember his last name) from Dr. Strangelove and Gen. Buck Turgison.

          • Capt. Harlock

            “I only drink rainwater and grain alcohol, stirred with a rare-earth magnet…”

  • Trith72

    In other words, nuking your brain cells and killing them with high powered magnets turns you into a atheist liberal democrat. No argument here..

  • Dzndef

    With all the new EMFs added in the past few years (cell phones, tablets, wifi, smart-meters, etc) its no wonder atheism is on the rise

    • TENDO_CRIATA

      No…………evil is on the rise.

  • pruttmaster

    “can treat” Haa! as though its a medical disease that makes you a victim . ho hum, another day watching the war on the gods and all religion go into overdrive . Bill Maher’s gonna love this!

  • Divegoddess

    No thank you! I’ll keep my belief in GOD!

  • weirdpeter

    Dropping large stones on scientist’s heads can relieve online websites of idiotic stories about magnets and God.

  • Moonbattery

    This is a little twisted. The headline should read: “causing brain damage with magnets causes liberalism”.

    • JBSPuddintane

      Astute observation.

    • disqus_X5CE5XwQcX

      That and LSD and pot causes liberalism…

  • Rodney McCarthy

    Well I was a teenager in the 70’s and I remember a Jesus freak telling me that a belief in God was not enough, but an encounter with Jesus would set you straight…They can manipulate what you believe, like someone talking you into being a Mormon, and someone else talking you out of that, and causing you to be a Buddhist. But they can’t take away an encounter.

  • TENDO_CRIATA

    And the number of the beast is 666………………………..

  • RedRyderz

    Can it also treat the belief in the eco-fundie cult religion of climate change?

  • Chris

    So REDUCING your cognitive ability reduces belief in God. That sounds about right. I’ll bet they can use this technique to treat being able to do algebra too.

    • Willam Nat

      Perfect response! If the editors had read it first, this article would never have been posted.

    • Baron Münchhausen

      algebra is raaaaccciist. So they have stopped teaching it all together in some places….

  • RH

    What a load of CRAP! Stick all the magnets, zap my brain as much as you want. You’ll fry it where I can’t even speak, but you WILL NOT take away my faith!

    • pintorider

      You could probably be talked out of it by a good hypnotherapist in about five minutes.

      • joecapoe

        that would be interesting

        • pintorider

          That Brit guy, whatsisname, talked a whole roomful out of it and then snapped them back into it. Senior moment on the name…

  • RedNeoCon

    One more step towards a New World Order. Don’t agree with the agenda? You can be magnetized into believing whatever they want you to know. Refuse to allow it? One day they’ll just do it en masse to large groups of people without their knowledge in public somewhere like a shopping mall or stadium. Scientists are causing more harm than good. More studies will follow all this nonsense, just keep ’em coming, I’m predicting.

    • pintorider

      You’re the only commenter (besides wonderful me of course) who understands the underlying implications of this story. Kudos to us!

      • Baron Münchhausen

        Me three!

      • CbadCAMom

        There are several aspects of this article that are chilling: experiments to control thoughts/change beliefs, stigmatizing religiosity, mainstreaming political views. We are all but puppets.

  • JBSPuddintane

    Cool article.
    “Framing” seems to be the back-story.
    Thanks!
    And God bless.

  • Greg Rabinovich

    Brain damage can turn a subject into a liberal? No surprise here.

  • TENDO_CRIATA

    This type of “science” deserves some decisive “rebuttal”

  • joecapoe

    can magnets change belief in homosexuality, too? oh, that’s right, there’s nothing wrong with that

  • GratefulNotToBeDead

    Well I suppose trying to cure homosexuality with magnets is next, right? Or is that a no no for the magnet crowd? Wait, but what if Christians get a hold of this technology? We might set back gay rights back for decades! I just can’t wait for the all the other behavioral control experiments to come…reminds me of the good old days in 1940 Germany. You progressives are just so darn clever.

  • Jasamine Molly

    What this proves is that magnets can make you stupid.

  • JBSPuddintane

    Remember….opposites attract…..likes repel.

    • pintorider

      Puddy! tru dat…..

  • JBSPuddintane

    No-one knows what magnetism is.

    • pintorider

      Roberta Johnson does…

      • JBSPuddintane

        She’s a liar, then.

        • pintorider

          And she cheats and drinks too much. And those are her better traits.

    • Baron Münchhausen

      I think it, along with gravity, is what makes the illusion of time exist. I base that completely on my own conjecture

      • JBSPuddintane

        I agree with that.
        Still, we can not know WHAT magnetism and gravity ARE.

        • pintorider

          But we do know what it smells like…

  • GOLFNPSYCH

    One possible interpretation is that the magnets effect one’s sense of morality, leaving people with no sense of good and bad, right and wrong. In short, the magnets create psychopaths.

    • pintorider

      Psychopaths very well understand the difference between right and wrong. They act regardless, without conscience. That don’t have the natural fear and reticence we people of conscience have when doing something we know is wrong.

  • Bernie Landry

    So what they are saying is that Islam can be cured?

    • pintorider

      I like the way you think, Bernie.

  • joecapoe

    i just got an mri and i still believe in God

  • Baron Münchhausen

    So, magnets can lower your sense of self-preservation eh? How soon until the government forces us to wear magnets on our heads?

    • joecapoe

      for the really pesky people, they just drop a 100 pound magnet on your head from 8 feet

      • Baron Münchhausen

        Then bill your family for the magnet…

  • Garden Ridge ✔Gold Verified

    Therefore magnets = God.

  • Willam Nat

    Why don’t these “scientists” find ways that zapping the brains of atheists like Stalin, Pol Pot and Mao can prevent them from committing mass murder!

  • Garden Ridge ✔Gold Verified

    They also say a lobotomy does the same things.

    • TexasTeaFinder

      “Ice Pick Lobotomies” used to cure all sorts of things …

  • Thomas Taylor

    them must be democrat magnets– strong ones at that

  • Jim McKEE

    What if magnets just make you stupid? Electro shock therapy for everybody …….

  • Phoenix_Damaged

    OMITTED: However, disappointing results were obtained when the magnet group was centered on the sector of the brain universally recognized as being the center responsible for
    a fear of water. Although all subjects were released for a swim in the Thames after their final treatment, none have returned to report their successes.

    Congratulations! and Bon Voyage! to all dear souls who participated.

  • Matthew Kilburn

    I knew atheism was a mental impairment. Here’s the proof. Damage the normal function of the brain, get an atheist.

  • Zapping brains can also eliminate the belief in scientists………hey, can we make the scientists that iterated this inanity as the subjects and the rest of us as the control?

  • joecapoe

    this gives real credence to tin foil hats

    • Baron Münchhausen

      I once knew a guy who was convinced the government was beaming magnetic/radio waves from satellites to control his mind. Now I don’t think he was so crazy

      • JBSPuddintane

        It’s one thing to be paranoid. Sometimes they really are out to get you.

    • Jason Smith

      A tin foil hat is like a faraday cage for your head 🙂 lol.. a sad..truth!

      • pintorider

        It’s not a faraday cage unless it completely encloses the target area. It can be a screen like material but it has to be on all sides…

        • I would say that 95% of commies……..erm democrats must have these faraday cages around their heads.

          • pintorider

            At least around their hearts…

      • TexasTeaFinder

        Tin foil (aluminum) is non-ferrous …

  • David1917

    Great shades of Wilhelm Reich of the Frankfurt School and his orgone accumulator.

    • pintorider

      How so? What does magnetism have to do with “orgone energy?” Answer: Nothing.

      • F M

        They’re both crackpot ideas?

        • pintorider

          Seriously? Magnetism is a crackpot idea?

          • F M

            In this context.

          • pintorider

            Everybody always blames poor old Magnetism. I vote we investigate Resonant Frequencies.

  • buyitcheap

    but will it cure believe in man made climate change?

    • JBSPuddintane

      Absolutely. That’s “God” to a lot of people.

      • pintorider

        My neighbor worships Climate Change.

        • JBSPuddintane

          Who magnanimously offers carbon-credit indulgences,
          Aljazeera Gore be praised.

          • pintorider

            I’m hoarding carbon credits in case the market goes live. I’ve got a pile of manure big enough to pave a football field just waitin’ for the word…

          • The_Mistaken_President

            As ill-begotten as it is, the carbon credit is one of the better scams on brain dead democrats by their puppets masters. Carbon credits = penance for your guilt. That sounds familiar. Just shows Dems are living in the Dark Ages. Nothing progressive about it.

          • JBSPuddintane

            They need a reformation.

          • Capt. Harlock

            So, you’re saying that Progressivism is really a mask for NeoFeudalism?

    • TexasTeaFinder

      It sounds like, “no”.

  • JBSPuddintane


    The woims crawl in the woims crawl out

    The woims play pinochle on your snout

    • F M

      Yo Ho!
      Yo Ho!

      • JBSPuddintane

        now get “skanky” through…

        • F M

          Your stomach turns a slimey green,
          The pus comes out like fresh whipped cream.

          It’s amazing what I can remember from over 50 years ago, but I can’t remember where I put my carkeys.

  • Buddy Zuckerman

    Harrison Bergeron by Kurt Vonnegut. Read it.

    • JBSPuddintane

      Yes.
      It’s only two pages. And you can find it online.
      Must read.

      • joecapoe

        i’ll do it now

        • JBSPuddintane

          ’twill be time-well-spent.
          It’ll haunt you, though.

  • Buddy Zuckerman

    So having your brain fried makes you vote “D” on the ballot? who would have thought?

    • carl6352

      i was thinking you could put these magnets in a metal detector booth and as you pass through you get zapped. we have those in schools and airports and arenas.a very easy way for a government to turn you into sheep. that is the purpose of this study paid for by the british government is it not?

  • Jason Smith

    So – brain damage will make you think less, about everything! Magnet..metal spike.. Wow..

  • F M

    No doubt the plan is to only zap the brains of native Christians but under no circumstance touch the brains of Islamic immigrants.

  • Kountry Bumpkin

    The first recorded case of Alzheimer’s was on November 25th, 1901 yet over one hundred years later and they still don’t have a cure for it (atleast not available to the people) but the Satanist have a cure for God…… we are so screwed.

    • AStoner

      In defense of those looking for a cure for Alzheimer’s God has been around since the beginning and satan has been trying to beat him for at least 6000 years.

      • pintorider

        What are you guys talking about?

  • howard bell

    In the politically correct climate that we live in, the last person in the world that you would listen to if you wanted factual evidence would be a scientist.
    They live in a world of bought and paid for hypothesis.

    • JBSPuddintane

      Oh, so, settled, science.

  • JBSPuddintane

    So. Who will ya’ll be “treat”in?….Syrian Christians…..or those who cut off their heads?
    Hmmmmmm?

  • Wild Bill Kinda

    The Nazis also performed mind experiments on people.

  • aliswell

    “Treat” belief in God? What a disgusting headline.

    • JBSPuddintane

      It is supposed to be.

  • TexasTeaFinder

    So, “treatment” with magnets can turn you into a Liberal/Progressive? Thanks, but no …

    • pintorider

      Congratulations You’re about the fiftieth person to make this clever comment.

      • TexasTeaFinder

        And?

        • pintorider

          And what? You want a gold star? Not everybody wins a trophy, “Ashley.”

          • TexasTeaFinder

            I wasn’t aware that there was a “clever comment quota” – thanks for monitoring that.

          • pintorider

            There is and you are lagging embarrassingly behind Puddintane.

          • TexasTeaFinder

            “I’m in my prime.” – Doc Holliday

          • AStoner

            I prefer to call it causing brain damage creates illiberals and regressives.
            And lets be honest, I like more people making this same connection. Thanks for telling EVERYONE that many people understand this connection perfectly well.

          • pintorider

            I wish I knew what you’re trying to say.

          • AStoner

            Those scientists got their magnet on you already?

  • AStoner

    I wonder if these people thought things through upon making this announcement.
    By attacking the brain and damaging its ability to function, you cause people to not believe in God. Indicating a healthy mind is a Godly mind.
    By attacking the brain and damaging its ability to function, you cause people to no longer rationally think about the consequences of allowing another group of people enter their homeland to displace them, first in the workplace and then in existence.
    Seems to me that this argument proves that Conservatives and Christians are superior thinkers to Regressives and Atheists.

    • Mentious

      Yeah the mad scientist basically exposed that his machinations are crap.

  • MaroonVee

    Well, let’s try it out on some of those migrants who profess their belief in the Quran…. yeah like that would ever happen!
    I noticed they only experimented on Christians, do they have a bias ?

  • howard bell

    It’s obvious that you have to be a moron to make the claim these scientists are making.
    They do it because they know the media will believe them.

  • MaroonVee

    Let’s try this out on this crazy religious fanatics of the Climate Change persuasion… let’s see if that works. I would go for that.

  • carl6352

    why use magnets are own public school system including britains has gone from teaching to indoctrination. you work on them starting in elementry and by the time they reach 17-18 year olds. the vast majority have zero job skills can’t do basic math or write but they do know that humans are bad and we are destroying the world through climate change and we need more and more government! teacher unions on display!

    • JBSPuddintane

      Now that’s the voice of experience.

      • carl6352

        not really i graduated in 1976 the teacher unions had not taken a stranglehold yet and they still taught not indoctrinate. besides i went to catholic schools. no unions just indoctrination to god. lol the nuns never liked me. if you ever watched grounded for life and sister helen that is what i faced for 12 years! i guess that’s why i loved that show. i swear every nun i faced yearly seemed to know every little nit picking thing i did, i think they talked about me allot in the nunnery! lol

    • Baron Münchhausen

      Pink Floyd warned us of this year’s ago.

      • JBSPuddintane

        your sew rite

        • Baron Münchhausen

          All in all,it’s just another brick in the wall

      • carl6352

        one of my favorite groups right behind the doors! no body beats mr mojo rising. lol

        • daddybdg

          “Mr Mojo Risin”. No g at the end. Otherwise when you unscramble it to get “Jim Morrison”, you’d have a g leftover. No g.

          • Slugger_McBuster

            Jim G Morrison. There ya have it!

          • carl6352

            just a nickname not a anagram.

          • daddybdg

            Sorry, but It was an anagram. The lyrics use risin’, not rising. Just a coincidence?

          • Siglund

            Pink said: “We don’t need no thought control!”

      • Siglund

        “We down’t need no thote controle…”

  • Chatter Snavely

    Zap them a little harder and you get a “scientist” researcher/grant writer.

    • Siglund

      Or perhaps a demonicrat justice to appoint to the Extreme Court…

  • The_Mistaken_President

    So once the pre-crime unit has identified you as a potential threat, you can be cured of your sickness. Seems I’ve heard this horror story before. Maybe these scientists should use it on themselves first.

  • Kevin Williams

    The NAZI’s are back .How long will people let these evil people do this Bullsh-t.
    It needs to stop NOW.Notice they didn’t try to help child molesters or killers or Wife beaters etc.
    These people are EVIL.

  • voltairebutnot

    Can the “scientists” be zapped out of their unwarranted arrogance?

  • Mentious

    Jews never rest!

  • voltairebutnot

    How about zapping people out of a belief in “climate change”?

    • Siglund

      They did not ask them that question…

      They DID ask “Who is Ben Ghazi?”, though…

      (Nobody knew the answer…)

  • voltairebutnot

    What about other factors? Were the people who dropped their religious beliefs and “prejudices” then tested to see if they had any brainpower left? This is stupid and beyond unscientific. It’s called playing with government grant money.

  • pintorider

    If a doctor zaps your forehead with a Neurostar Magnetic pulser is helps you snap out of depression. That’s the original purpose of these instruments. The rest is inchoate speculation…

    • voltairebutnot

      Inchoate speculation…excellent phrase…fits climate change, too.

      • pintorider

        Thanks. It could apply to “Climate Change.” Speaking of which, if indeed we are in a warming period it is not because of carbon dioxide. The is no correlation between CO2 and earth temperature.

        • davidkachel

          To a lefty, “carbon dioxide” has no meaning. To them, if they know anything whatsoever about chemistry, it is that “chemicals are bad”. No, to lefties, “carbon dioxide” is a chant. An incantation.
          It is like, good is bad, less is more, poverty is wealth. That sort of thing.

          • pintorider

            Methane, which lies frozen over the vast reaches of the Ocean floors is 20 times more “climate changy” than CO2.

          • Siglund

            Wait a minute… Is that a strictly scientific term?

          • pintorider

            Almost 🙂

          • Siglund

            Wow! “Arbeit macht Frei”. (Dachau, wasn’t it? Oops, Auschwitz too…) Scary!

        • JasonL77

          Even if there were a correlation, correlation does not prove causation.

          • pintorider

            Tru, dat…

    • davidkachel

      I believe that “pure evil” is a much better term.

  • Dunnyveg

    Maybe magnetism can affect whether one believes in God. But being zapped with totalitarian-level doses of LIBERALISM will not only make sane people into atheists, but make them insane.

  • Slugger_McBuster

    Will Nurse Ratched be overseeing the administration of this “treatment”?

    Does it also “cure” your difficulty in acknowledging that 2+2=5?

  • FAHQOBAMA

    So it can be used to treat a belief in liberalism and homosexuality as well then huh?

  • MH27610

    progressives at their finest.

  • HalfTheBattle

    Who would have thought: shutting people’s brains off makes them more receptive to atheism and cultural displacement! I wonder how long before the government tries to make this mandatory?

  • JBSPuddintane

    Trick AND “Treat”

  • davidkachel

    It used to be called brainwashing. Now it’s “treatment”. The Russians assumed religion was a mental disorder, too. They also called a desire for freedom a mental disorder. It is time to start locking up leftists. Now they are not content with name calling for anyone who disagrees with them. Now they want to alter their brain patterns. These are very dangerous people.

  • Darth Awesome

    I’m sure lobotomies induced by electricity can change a plethora of other beliefs as well. Just be sure to have a drool cup handy!

    • Norinos

      I much prefer a bottle in front of me over a frontal lobotomy.

  • Norinos

    So now belief in God is something that needs curing? Along with believing illegal immigration is illegal? Can you say COMMUNISM? Must be all part of Obamas “hope and change”.

  • ms_ladyhawke

    What they bothered to leave out is the fact that these so called “cured people” are in fact now blathering idiots!

  • merkinmuffy

    They’ve had this machine for years. It’s called the liberal media.

  • davidkachel

    Help save the world from leftist insanity. Every time you encounter a lefty, smack him hard across the snout with a newspaper.
    But first, get a subscription to the Sunday NY Times.

  • Flechette

    It doesn’t appear to diminish *just* one’s belief in God, it appears to make people not care about anything.

    • Norinos

      Resulting in the perfect democrat voter.

      • Gary K

        WELL SAID!

      • scorpiannes

        NICE!

    • JWHacket

      “it appears to make people not care about anything.” Such as, oh I don’t, not paying taxes to the bloated government.

  • Zach Smith

    They can shrink 12 years of public school indoctrination into a single 15 minute treatment.
    Progress.

  • Aslan’s Girl

    “Treat” Belief in God?????

    I could think of a million OTHER things worth “treating” a person’s belief in…starting with global warming.

  • Mark

    What kind of sick puke could think of something this evil? I’m a Christian and a sinner who has lost all tolerance for all of the left and most of the so called right. The only thing that will save this country is a second American revolution.

    • scorpiannes

      Sadly you are right….and we are definitely in the last days….I welcome Jesus’s return for I know it is soon…lets all prepare because its actually going to happen in OUR lifetimes….incredible and scary at the same time…praise God Almighty Praise him Praise him….love you God…you are so awesome and I praise you…but can you just hurry with the Jesus stuff….cause I’m in my 40’s and you know…tick toc tick toc

  • Sentry Virginia

    Reminds me of what Joe Kennedy did to his daughter.

    • scorpiannes

      Yep…but old Joe ratched it up a notch and shocked the shiot out of his daughter “Coo Coos Nest style” then he had some doctors put razor sharp scalpels up her nostrils and twirl the fqk out of them making mincemeat out of their already retarded daughter’s brain…like that’s going to help her cognitive functions somehow ….got to love those rich people….

  • guest

    I’m thinking a high speed piece of lead to the forehead will help these scientists/ marxist/athiest/communist see the truth….

  • garylee123

    If they reverse the magnets does it make you believe in God?

    • Will-o

      Might be a polarizing experiment to say the least.

  • Boommach

    These scientists can’t begin to understand how stupid they are compared to the One who laid out the laws of the universe they can only scratch the surface of. They’re so narrow minded and arrogant, they won’t even entertain the thought of God. They may never know how stupid they are but they will learn how foolish they are.

  • scorpiannes

    Stupid magnets

    • livid american

      Try it on obama. Oh wait…

  • Siglund

    NOW who is doing the brainwashing?

    This on the heels of a story that these demonic rats are “nudging” the populace, i.e. influencing people via behavioral science. This is the specialty of the leftist dirtbag Cass Sundsteen, the husband of our UN delegate Samantha Power, who is all in for giving nuclear weapons to Iran.

    If you were opposed to any of this, you aren’t now… right?

    • JWHacket

      I read that too. They’re trying to surreptitiously influence our decision making and, as far as I know, none of the main stream news outlets are doing stories on it. Think about that for a second. It’s akin to brainwashing the people to do what the government wants us to do. That’s the kind of things we expect to hear coming out of the USSR.

      Imagine the absolute outcry and call for impeachment if it happened under George Bush. I wasn’t his biggest fan, in fact I changed my party affiliation to “independent” when he tried to shove immigration reform down our throats. But come on, this is supposed to be America, the land of the free. Not the land of governmental mind control.

  • misanthropoly

    Can they use these magnets to cure the nonsensical belief in big government as god.

    • JWHacket

      Maybe they can use them on Obama to get that idea of omnipotence out of his swollen head.

  • Gary K

    Leave it to science to attempt to destroy God. All true Christians though know and realize that Salvation is a Spiritual thing and not a physical thing or not some group of molecules or atoms in alignment within one’s brain. Science deals with the physical and ignores all that can’t be comprehended such as a Spiritual existence. Flesh and the physical will die and rot but the spirit/soul will be eternal.

  • scorpiannes

    How about making “Gays” not gay with magnets….does that work? Give it a try…then try it on the Muslims…see if you can get them to not believe in God or Mohammad….give it a try….triple doggy dare you…that’s right I skipped right over to the triple doggy dare

    • Dean Bruckner

      Wasn’t there a rapper with that name?

  • Hal

    So they apparently do some damage to a person’s brain and that person stops believing in God but wants more illegal aliens in the country. Sounds like a good tool for the statists trying to bring us to what was depicted in Orwell’s “1984.”

  • davidkachel

    Just a shot in the dark here, but…
    Would these be the same “scientists” who support the ridiculous nonsense about global warming?!!

  • buddynoel

    Sad part is some in science think blocking religious thought would be improving life. The inmates are taking over the asylum.

  • Will-o

    Treat homosexuality, pedophilia, liberalism, and messiness and I’ll support it.

  • Blandly Urbane

    Transcranial magnetic stimulation services covered under the ACA to date include:

    1. Attitudes/belief/toward God – less conviction
    2. Outlook on undocumented individuals and young, helpless families – increase empathy
    3. Gun rights extremism – cerebral neutering
    4. heteronormative and cisnormative assumptions on the marriage bed in public – hate relief/minimization/controlled
    5. climate change denial – “run runner
    6. …………….

  • caveman1313

    perhaps they can magnet out the gay

  • Azsteve53

    More academic psycho babble aimed at trying to convince the sheeple that all who think different than the social justice/marxist concept they believe in are all somehow mentally unstable and need a cure. Another example of academic scientific jackassery in practice, trying to pass of political views as science.

  • proguy

    I am calling B.S.!!!!

  • truthhasfallen

    So….you have to be dumbed down with the modern day equivalency of electro-shock therapy NOT to believe in God?? So that would make all modern atheists….dumb already???

    When considering the span of human history, atheism is the relative “new-kid” on the block as far as belief systems go. And now these pseudo-scientists are building their own tower of babel to dethrone the Eternal One. How’d that work out for you the last time?

    • espy

      The vast majority of atheists resort to ad hominem attacks when it comes to attacking religion. They view religion as an insult and rather than merely be content with their own world view they feel the need to spread their disdain through a kind of reverse evangelism. But unlike the majority of religion which spread their messages through preaching about a God who is there for followers, atheists have no such thing. They instead try to say anyone believing in a deity is either stupid or ignorant to the world around them.

      The truly sad thing about atheists is that the majority of scientists will admit we don’t know all that much about the universe as a whole. Therefore saying there is no deity based on what we currently know is like the kid in kindergarten saying he knows everything there is to know.

  • James1754

    If this actually works, which I do not, just think about all the people the government can “re-educate!”

  • typicalwhiteguy

    Are these some of the same “scientists” that believe “global warming” is “settled science”? This appears to be just one more indication that the world has succumbed to madness. The tribulation seems to be getting closer by the day.

  • Norinos

    It’s all about destroying the American value system in order to destroy America from within. Because those who can’t hack self reliance, need to make it seem impossible to feel better about themselves as failures. Definition of marriage, destroyed. Nuclear family, destroyed. Men being men, destroyed. History of our country, destroyed. Capitalism under attack, check. Meritocracy, destroyed. Work as a reason for self esteem and purpose, destroyed. Success financially, penalized. government brainwashing of our children, success. All for one purpose. To destroy America. Just because those that want too can’t look at themselves in the mirror without contempt.

  • Steve Cee

    What the world really needs is a treatment to cure liberalism.

    • Crozetian

      Yes, a magnet that would suck out all the arrogance and stupidity.

  • harleyxx

    So..Brain damaged people don’t believe in God. Makes perfect sense.

    • TxRules

      Aha ha ha ha ha ha…good one. Thumbs up!

  • Flying Under the Radar (SG9)

    And what believer would VOLUNTEER to have their belief in God removed?

  • Caitlyn Bodine

    How about treating homosexuality?

    • voltairebutnot

      Ooooh…the protected status that dare not speak its name…now you’re in for it.

      • MOSFET

        To the machine with her !

        • Dean Bruckner

          No one withstands…the machine!

      • Caitlyn Bodine

        They say that they don’t chose it and ask who would chose such a fate. Therefore, they’d be happy to be cured.

        • voltairebutnot

          Yet in New Jersey, they’ve just outlawed therapy that tries to turn them hetero.

  • Harvey Jones

    These God haters believe that faith in God is a mental disease. They will eventually realize their mistake.

  • OhTheWorldOwesUsALivin

    What an arrogant display of stupidity. Communists tried to do the same thing by ‘re-educating’ Christians in Russia to believe in the supremacy of the State when communism began to take over, telling them there is no God.

    I’d be more than happy to challenge this hypothesis. God’s work in my life is not merely emotion, it’s based on faith as has been demonstrated through evidence of His existence.

    • voltairebutnot

      These people think they are gods…but gee, without those government grants, they’re not so divine are they?

  • espy

    Its all about treating anything viewed as traditional as something to be disdained. Religion? Nationalism? A belief in the nuclear family? All are traditional values that have been attacked in recent years for not embracing the “progressive” mindset. So when a junk science study says this stuff about being able to limit a person’s belief in God and make them more open to immigrants, liberals view it as scientific approval of their policies, even if it violates a number of ethical boundaries and in this case outright lies about what it is saying by purposefully muddying the results through terminology which is purposefully obtuse.

  • voltairebutnot

    These people make science look like tarot card reading. This isn’t going to go in a good direction.

  • RegisteredDemocrat

    I have to admit I didn’t read any of this article because lacking photos, charts, diagrams, and basic eye candy.

    But did they use hard drive magnets?

  • MOSFET

    The “problems” chosen to “fixed” tell you all you need to know about this. My entire life I’ve been told that it’s the right-wing that is dangerous. They want to control everyone you see. Fact is it is the Left that is totalitarian…it’s always been the Left. This get-their-minds-right machine is Leftist to the core. And if it does in fact work…I doubt it….if it does work, they will find a way to force everyone in it.

    • voltairebutnot

      Exactly…why aren’t they zapping people for belief in climate change.

  • Richard Cranium Jr.

    Big Media, Big Academia, and now magnets share the ability to manipulate thought and remove the ability to critically think.

  • The claim: it is only a belief. However, can you still read? and know history? No magnet will change the facts about Jesus. If only there were some sort of magnet to give up this silly pagan superstition, the belief in ‘caveman’.

  • geenee

    so…what I get from this article is that if you damage a person’s brain they are more likely to line up with liberal thinking…hmmm

  • Norinos

    Ultimately, the liberal “brain” trust, doesn’t trust anyone else’s brain. Ergo. Self thought and self will needs shock therapy if it doesn’t comport with the wishes of communism in the United States of America.

    • Dean Bruckner

      How else did the Marxists make the peace-loving peoples of the Soviet Union?

      • Voxhalyn Rakkasan

        imagine a boot stamping on a human face, forever

    • Richard Pratt

      You said IT ! Communism….it sure did find it’s way into our system. The Dems and the fruit cake liberal hippies, Sanders, Ayers and others…who hate America, found a way to put communism in full swing in the White House.

  • jimboelrod

    “Using a technique called transcranial magnetic stimulation” researchers can “safely shut down certain groups of neurones” in the brain.

    That must mean liberal atheists and people like Jeb Bush and other illegal immigrant apologists must not have a full compliment of “certain groups of neurons” snapping to begin with. Schitt, I could have told them that without the magnets.

  • CKAinRedStateUSA

    Evil is insidious.

    These scientists who believe belief in the GOD of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob — including GOD the Son Jesus the Messiah — is a disease that needs cured simply do the bidding of their real father, the Father of Lies, the Prince of Darkness, Satan.

    FWIW: I’m a retired engineer — chemical undergrad; environmental grad; past work toward second grad degree — who knew, even when I was a pagan, that GOD was real. He’s evident in all the chemistry, physics, mathematics, engineering mechanics and other engineering courses.

    After becoming a Christian in later life, I experienced and still experience the reality of the LORD GOD. So do many of my brothers and sisters in Christ who are scientists and engineers.

    • Jason

      AMEN,
      -KJH, Computer Scientist

    • tom_merle

      You seem to prove the thesis of the study. As you move closer to death you turn to the comfort of religion

      • CKAinRedStateUSA

        I was in my middish-40s when I became one of GOD’s children. That was a long time ago.

      • Rob Genaa

        Religion: any object of conscientious belief and pursuit. Websters. I guess everyone will “turn to the comfort of religion” one or more times in their life, Including you. Unless you are brain dead.

  • scottincary

    Finally we can have diversity in race and homogeneity in thought!!! Now only if they can refine the technique to produce a love of Obama and he could be President for Life! What great news!

  • rustyaxlenut

    Such a procedure may change the belief in God, in the same way changing or blocking a communications transceiver’s frequency may dampen a given channel. What these ‘scientists’ are missing is that God is the creative consciousness manifesting all of material reality, including every sapient life form. There is only that streaming self-aware consciousness producing the material universe, including Mankind, all of the matter we are made of, our own self-aware consciousness, and the very rationality we claim as the basis for the scientific method. In essence, we are that God consciousness, infused into corporeal and temporal beings, for the purpose of exploring every possible nuance of life experience over time. Man also carries the burden of being the agent of God’s exploration into the nature and meaning of moral and ethical behavior. Such abstract concepts are only able to be explored by their effect on mortal Man, as God is infinite, meaning beyond conditions, and incapable of being physically harmed or changed. When we experience the gamut of physical and emotional conflict, that range between birth and death, pleasure and pain, freedom and oppression, good and evil, we are nothing more than an experiment running in a Petri dish. An experiment that informs God of the meaning and values of these experiences. We are told that a new world awaits beyond this one, leaving us to surmise that the content of that world will be a refinement of this one. That is why we are mortal, so that lifetimes do not become intolerable in the way an eternal life sentence in a dungeon would. Death allows the reuse of a finite amount of matter for new generations of people, and new experiences over time and technological development. These scientists are a portion of God’s spirit, dressed in human flesh and smugly unaware of their origin, trying to deny and escape Him in this world; they are the experiment not their work.

    • NM156

      Nice paragraph. I don’t know whether I believe it, but it’s a good riff on the nature of consciousness anyway.

    • Dean Bruckner

      “Each man and woman has one unalterable appointment: to die once, and after that to face judgment.” (Hebrews chapter 9, verse 27, paraphrased from the Bible.

      There is a God, and you are not him.

      • rustyaxlenut

        There is no future judgement for two simple reasons. First: Everything an individual does, every action and decision, every thought, desire and belief, is known by the conscience which has always been instantly known to God. The individual is judged by their inherent knowledge of good and evil as they live; no future trial of fact is necessary. Second: Because the individual is animated by the Holy Spirit (remember God breathed life into that inanimate clay), with only a limited number of choices provided by God, and some say directed by Him and selected in accordance with the individual’s experiences. God does not punish Himself, but uses those individual choices to select a subject for further spiritual development. This is one life that can pass into many lives as a means of perfecting the individual spirit (soul). If there is but one life, one consciousness, creating all of existence in real time, then all lives are ultimately connected as the sum of God’s experience as Man. It’s nothing more than a point of creation sprouting into a blossom so complex and beautiful that no single mind can comprehend it all. If you and I are not the children of God, then who are we? Jesus said that we have but one Father, which is in heaven, and one teacher which is the Messiah. Who is being taught? Who is doing the teaching? Are we not God becoming His own family?

        • Dean Bruckner

          Me (repeating what God said): “In the day you eat of the tree, you will certainly die.”
          You (repeating what Satan said): “You won’t certainly die!”

          • rustyaxlenut

            Unfortunately it would require a volume to explain the actual meaning of Genesis and the two-faced coin of the God/Serpent coin (Satan is not mentioned in the Genesis creation myth). The essence of it is this: The animal man died when Eve, who was not prohibited by God to eat of the fruit (in Genesis 2:17 KJV, God commanded Adam not to eat the fruit before Eve was created in Genesis 2:22.), ate of it, and in turn convinced Adam to follow her lead. What happened next was that Mankind was reborn a rational demigod, knowing the difference between good and evil, and suddenly becoming extremely fashion conscious. In Genesis 3:22 KJV, God said, “Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil. . .” Now the problem with this is that prior to eating the fruit, the woman and man did not know of good and evil (right versus wrong), hence they were innocents in the way of unreasoning animals. Given that, they knew not that it was wrong to eat of the fruit a priory to the act of eating it, hence they were innocent of the act.

            The truth is that neither died as a result of eating of the fruit, but were reborn as more powerful beings, able to reason and determine good from evil, they had become as demigods. The serpent told the truth and God lied, or was He being ironic? Or is it possible that the scribes writing Genesis were confused, after all, they wrote that the female Eve was already created with the male Adam in Genesis 1:27 KJV. Strangely enough, God did not curse Adam, he cursed the ground Adam walked upon. God kindly presented the couple with a gift of clothes He fashioned for them before they departed the Garden. What Genesis is describing is the difference between Man and animals, the physiological differences of a bipedal upright species giving birth versus quadrupeds, the separation of Man in social groups and dwellings, the rise and necessity of agriculture, and how these led to civilization. The curse was a blessing that allowed Mankind to act as a surrogate for expressing God’s further plans. Still, while a man’s body will die, the human spirit is eternal.

          • Dean Bruckner

            Thanks for the reply. You’re on your way to a volume, but length is not needed. Just one statement from the Apostle Paul, who met the risen Christ face to face, will suffice:

            “For as in Adam all die, so in Christ shall all be made alive.” 1 Cor 15

            No amount of twisting and suppressing the truth will snuff out this Light.

          • rustyaxlenut

            What causes you to believe that Paul was the only person to ever meet Jesus Christ face to face? The truth is that in flesh we perish, while in spirit we live eternally through Jesus Christ, on that we agree. However, that life is not of flesh but of spirit. Be wary of Paul, for in Acts of the Apostles, we find contradictory accounts of his conversion vision that extend to differences between the Protestant and Catholic versions of Acts, and even between various interpretations found between the King James Version, New American Bible and the New International Version. These texts were so garbled by theologians and editors all attempting to tailor Paul’s vision to the audience, Jew, Gentile or Roman, we are left uncertain. Biblical scholars and theologians are like weather vanes in a tornado; all spinning in different directions unable to reach a common direction. I conclude, that like Paul, who met Jesus Christ in a vision, we too can surrender our lives to Him, becoming a brother or sister in spirit, and thereby be anointed in truth where faith becomes certainty. Blessings be upon you.

    • Dean Bruckner

      This is Gnosticism 101, which was debunked almost 2,000 years ago in the lifetime of the youngest of Jesus’s apostles, John. Read the book of 1 John in the Bible’s New Testament for more details.

      • rustyaxlenut

        Uh, actually nothing was debunked in the New Testament. There are no lives separate from God’s will and consciousness. The New Testament was edited, abridged and rewritten, by later church authorities for the express purpose of supporting a hierarchy of professional priests to intercede between the individual and God. It’s all about money, politics and power (Matthew 23). Jesus Christ does not absolve the sins of organizations, only individuals, and those of His choosing, for His purposes only. The individual is the operating point of humanity becoming pure eternal spirit. What you call Gnosticism is the natural state of the relationship between God and man; we all share the same primal identity and spirit, with a differing individual point of view. Jesus Christ taught that the kingdom of heaven is inside us and all around us, even without priests or the Bible, yet we do not perceive that truth. Everything I wrote is being confirmed by various quantum physicists, who suggest that consciousness creates the material universe, not the other way around, and that an overarching self-aware consciousness is the observer that chooses which probability collapses to form our reality. The take away message is that Jesus Christ, as a psychological archetype empowering human transformation (remember that if everything is based on consciousness, then the universe itself has a psychology), and that He is real, available this moment to any that seek Him, and the only means to attain transcendence. Believe what you will, eventually all paths lead back to the realization that I Am; universes without number, and everything a unity within you.

        • Dean Bruckner

          Rusty, what is your take on transgenderism? Do you support it?

          • rustyaxlenut

            Only for computer cabling.

    • Richard Pratt

      Ma Re Raam ! Well said.

  • I tried this with neodyme’s …all i saw was Lenny Bruce with Amelia Earhart doing jello shooters in a microbus

  • Doc Lemm

    Let’s eradicate the belief in scientists….

    • You’re mistaken. The glo-bull warming “scientists” are not scientists at all……neither are these guys.

      It’s probably all an article just to troll people. The author knew he would get a lot of clicks.

      One thing I do know….you have to shut down 1/2 a conservative’s brains to turn them into a libtard.

      ( and I don’t believe in god but believe no one should be telling or magnetizing others into believe this that or the other thing )

  • Mac Daddy

    What they failed to report is it cures homosexuality as well……

    • Richard Pratt

      LOL! Oops ! Good one….

  • MikeR

    If Obama’s head were zapped with magnets would he become a patriot and denounce islam?

  • Prelusive007

    Science once gave the world the practice of blood-letting and frontal lobotomies too but we know how well that worked out.

    Yes, “science” can manufacture a pill that would render a human incapable of a lot of things but that would not change reality one bit. “Science” can even induce a coma or produce a hypnotic trance but that will not change reality either.

    The greatest magnet ever created; that natural magnetism that protects the planet we live on, was created by God. One may induce some change in a human brain by altering that which God created but God will still exist.

  • Prelusive007

    The absence of faith does not equal the absence of God.

  • Jason

    It is called a LOBOTOMY no matter how it is performed. It is just easier now for atheistic government to do it.

  • Jason

    No doubt CELL PHONES gave them the idea.

  • Norinos

    These “revelations” are nothing but a short circuit answer to a much longer and in depth question which is what the left is banking on. The principles of America are a result of intellectual discipline. Righteous they are, yet simultaneously removed from the governmental informed for that very reason.

  • Norinos

    Liberalism is what “smart” sounds like to stupid people.

  • RobX

    You mean all those people chanting “Yes We Can”? That belief in an all powerful being who can bring peace to the world, good will toward all, heal the planet and cause the oceans to recede?

    Those neurons are firing no matter if they are firing a belief in God or something or someone else. Maybe that explains how tyrants come to power, the faith some put in God others put into a man.

  • Dean Bruckner

    Come on, guys, communists all around the world were doing this in the 1950s. How else do you think they made their goal of 94 million dead in the 20th Century?! Just another tool in the Marxist toolbox, as Marxists Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton well know.

  • Lana

    Liberalism is a mental illness.

  • biffula

    So they’re going to use this on the muslims, right? I mean they realize this is the real solution don’t they?

    • Voxhalyn Rakkasan

      No, only White Christian males because we all know they are the real global threat.

  • Brad

    The “god helmet” as it has been called for years is psuedo-science at best. In reality it is as silly as it sounds. No, Magnets do not make people believe there is a god.

  • Jim Sweet

    The scent of bovine byproduct is strong…..

  • PatBryanTX2

    Briggs, on the whole I feel much less informed about magnetic brain stimulation that I was before reading your article. Your piece of dismissive opinion fluff can be dismissed.

  • Richard Pratt

    liberalism itself is a thought disorder with their dislike of Religion and their rush to make everyone “equal”. “The disparity between incomes in this country MUST be remedied!” Typical crazy declaration from our watered down commie friends on the unshaven Dem side. God, of course to them is a Myth, but Global Warming is not. Global warming, the rights of that great majority of people…the LGB and whatever other freak show they want to push in our faces IS of huge importance to them. They can’t think straight but tell those who believe in an ultra dimensional supreme being that they are suffering from a brain disorder that can be cured with magnets….and it makes perfect sense to them. I suppose that while we are making incomes equal, we will also make everyone put out the same effort at work, in education and God forbid….real talent aside….make us all the same In IQ. The liberal left is a serious disorder of something….maybe a huge magnet over their heads up one of their nasal cavities, or the cavity about 3 feet lower….will cure it.

  • banger377

    Scientists are also claiming to be able to make people believe in God by pointing a gun at them and giving them 5 minutes til they pull the trigger. Fasenating.

    • Brad

      I’ve been part of that experiment… it failed. I was in a parking lot at 2 am, that is not what you’d be thinking about either.

      • Rob Genaa

        So you believe everything created itself from nothing? Or worse, it existed forever? That’s called Animism, the most basic form of religion.

        • Brad

          Without getting into the mysteries of the universe… do you realize that you automatically assumed you knew something ? (my belief system) What else do you automatically assume ?

          I am not arrogant enough to think I know the answers about things I have not witnesses in some form or fashion.

          • Rob Genaa

            Not my first rodeo. You claimed you don’t believe in a Creator. Did you not? Now you do what everyone like you has done every time they are confronted with the reality that they do believe in a god of some kind; pretend they don’t by dodging the issue, exactly like you just did. Seen it hundreds of times. “I’m special”, “I have special beliefs”, “there are many ways that everything came into existence”, blah, blah, blah. BUT, you won’t tell me your “belief system”. You will simply claim it is something else without laying it out to be dissected. You probably process carbon dioxide into oxygen because you are that different, right?

            But, please correct me if I was wrong for grammatically reading your comments and correctly interpreting them to mean that you don’t believe in a Creator.

          • Brad

            I absolutely did not say that. I said I don’t believe in a creator. Or that there isn’t one. Although the second seems far more unlikely. That is not dodging the issue.

            I did not imply I am special or have special beliefs I said I believe things I see. You seem to be claiming to have special beliefs.

            I DID tell you my belief system. I believe things that I can see in some form or fashion. It was right there at the very end of the post you replied to.

          • Rob Genaa

            That’s not a belief system, that’s a
            perspective. Or don’t you believe in air? You can’t see that. What
            about your brain? You can’t see that either. That requires a belief
            system to know that you have a brain and that there is air that you
            breath.

            Have you decided that you refuse to
            decide about where all matter came from? So, where did all matter
            come from if it was not created? Did it create itself from a vacuum?
            Do you believe there are natural processes in a vacuum?

            Claiming your perspective ( I believe things that I can see in some form or fashion.) is a “belief
            system” is your way of dodging the issue.

          • Brad

            You claimed this was not your first rodeo, but you still keep missing the elephant in the room, and keep bringing up the same points as every other time you’ve had this discussion and it didn’t work.

            Do I believe in air. Yes, and it just so happens I was exhaling smoke at the time I read your comment. I said I believe in things I can see in “some form or fashion”. So probably like you in grade school we created a vacuum in a glass jar. And I saw the effects of creating that vacuum. (if we need to go over that more we can but first google Mr. Wizard) Similarly I have seen my brain or rather a picture of it. (but have not seen yours)

            Do I know where matter comes from ? Nope. You seem to assume you know. But if matter can’t always exist or create itself … the question normally goes how did a creator always exist or create its/him/her self? (please answer)

            I have not seen how that is dodging the issue.

          • Brad

            I guess Rob Genaa is “avoiding the question”.

          • Rob Genaa

            Did you assume you knew something about me? Simply, I was sleeping, as I will do again tonight, it was late and I work. Don’t you?

          • Brad

            Do you see the difference there bigshot ? I said “I GUESS” Rob is avoiding the question. If you said “I GUESS” we wouldn’t be having this discussion you’d say you guess one way I’d say I guess the other and my guess turned out to be correct when you responded you dodged the question.

          • Rob Genaa

            “I guess” was your comment, yes, that is what you chose to say. “”That is why I responded with what I said, with a “?”, as in a question. That is how a dialogue works.

            My questions came long before yours. You are still avoiding and dissembling.

            As the created I do not claim to understand the creator but know something more intelligent than I must have created everything.

            You, on the other hand, do not think anything could be more intelligent than you, “bigshot”. That is why you are so smug. You want to believe you created yourself.

            I’m sure when people ask you when your birthday is you respond with “I am not arrogant enough to think I know the answers about things I have not witnesses in some form or fashion.” Or do you think you know when you were born? You don’t know.

            “I am not arrogant enough to think I know the answers about things I have not witnesses in some form or fashion.” should be your response many times every day to anything you have not “witnessed”. I’m sure you go through life like this. 😉

            You can choose to believe you are scientific but you are anything but. You are close minded and egoistic.

            Your fears are obviously driving your perspective on life.

            Good luck with your problem.

          • Brad

            Rob,
            You attacked me when I said I didn’t develop a belief in a creator when I was at gunpoint. Now you attack me again saying I am arrogant because I didn’t make up an answer to a question I didn’t know an answer to.
            The truth is I don’t know. That is an answer perhaps not the explanation you were looking for but I have told you to find that answer you have to look somewhere else. You won’t admit that you don’t know the answer to my question. And in a childish fashion you say you don’t have to answer because you asked me first.
            now which of us is “smug” ?
            I don’t think I created myself I have observed how “creation” of people happens. You should try it sometime its fun.
            You asked another question after assuming you knew the answer already. You asked about my birthday. I don’t recall it I did witness it (I am reasonably sure) but I also know others who claim to have been there. I have seen and held in my own hands a birth certificate with the time and day. Much more evidence than we have for the virgin birth in a manger 2000 years ago and we know that the day of Dec. 25 was not even invented on the calendars they used at the time. I have a “working birthday” and if asked I give that.
            I have not claimed to be scientific. I am not one of those people who claims there was a big bang either. I don’t know if there was. I don’t give them any more credit than I give you. I don’t think about the beginning of the Universe, I really don’t care what happened billions of years ago (or even 6,000 if you like that date better) I care about the now and the future. (and even a little bit about the more recent past).

          • Rob Genaa

            Fabricating convenient anecdotes does not change the point. Do you see gravity? You have a picture of that also, I guess.

            I know matter didn’t create itself, yes I do know that. Unless you would like to provide me with “some form or fashion” of how matter does create itself from nothing?

            The only person, intentionally missing the elephant in the room, is you. You won’t answer the question: what is your belief system about the existence of matter? You reply “I don’t know” because the only scientifically acceptable answers, the BEST answers, are unacceptable to you, so you stick with “I don’t know”. That’s intellectual dishonesty. The reason these discussions never work with animists like you is because every single one of you are dishonest and unscientific, I.E. Animists who like to think you are Atheists.

            You insisting you do not know, but choosing not to elaborate, is you choosing to refuse to decide about where all matter came from, as I stated before. In your arrogance you insist that you know a Creator does not exist and did not create all matter, as though the Creator answers to you.

            In the scientific process the best answer is what the hypothesis is based on. Many people, including you, would rather believe in nothing than accept the best answer as that best answer is unacceptable to you and your ego. By default you believe everything created itself from nothing, insisting that you don’t know, while insisting that you can think for yourself, proves that fact. Substituting reality with “I don’t know”, while knowing everything did not create itself from nothing, is dodging the issue as much as dodging anything ever was. Or do you think everything did create itself from nothing? Oh, again, “I don’t know”, ostrich’s head in the sand. Doesn’t fly.

            It is amazing how unscientific the smug are while claiming they are, “some form or fashion”, the real scientists. You are an animist. Your belief in the self creation of the inanimate proves this.

            Choosing not to see the facts is called denial.

          • Brad

            You are dodging the issue, I asked that you please answer my question and you decided it would be easier to post a wall of text and call me arrogant and assigning beliefs to me that you know nothing about.

            By your logic you could ask me what your middle name is and if I didn’t make a guess that would be arrogance. No, it isn’t, it is simple it is me admitting I do not have all of the answers. I said I don’t know because I don’t. I have heard the evidence (or lack of it) your side has to offer. I find it unlikely to be true.

            I believe everything that exists is matter. Because as I said I believe things I see that doesn’t mean my eyes or mind can’t be tricked or that I am always right. All I said is that it seems to me that the idea of a creator, not to mention a single and living one is unlikely. Maybe I am wrong. But you insist there is one and give me nothing to back it up. Its fine with me if you believe that. Maybe you are right. But you picked this fight with me. Why ? because when I had a gun pointed at me late at night in a parking lot I didn’t turn to an instant belief in “God”.

            So tell me genius how is that a creator could always exist and not be created ?
            You accuse me of dodging the issue, and even after taking a day to respond you dodged it yourself.

        • nobody

          If something needs a creator to exist then who created your god? If you say that your god doesn’t need a creator then replace god with universe and you’ll realize why you are such a fool to believe in the existence of an unnecessary middleman.

    • nobody

      No, that won’t work on people with functioning brains and a bit of education. But since you aren’t one….

      • banger377

        7000 comments and 2000 up votes says it all cupcake.

        • nobody

          Yes, it says that i don’t follow the herd, that i’m not here to play nice but to express truths than almost no one wants to hear.

  • Todd K

    Apparently, their procedure “safely shut down certain groups of neurons”, thereby causing the brain to malfunction, with the consequence that apprehension or awareness of ‘God’ was reduced. Would the results of this experiment, then, be more readily interpreted to mean that atheism is a malfunction of the brain?

    • Hot Sea-man

      and this persons newfound lack of a moral guide could lead to????

      • nobody

        Finding a better source of morals than a book that says that you should kill your disobedient children and that being a slave is good for you and you should obey your masters.

    • nobody

      No, it’s the other way around: a severely damaged part of the brain has had to be shut down to regain normal functioning of the whole. So it is in effect a direct proof that religious belief is caused by an abnormality in the brain.

    • Microaggressive

      Atheists are likely to be autistic.

  • Brad

    Well my past message is being held because it has a link to aticles about the “God Helmet”. Basically I said, “No” magnets don’t make people believe in a God and it is silly to think that they do.

    I first heard of the “god helmet” in 2008 and it was being mocked then as a stupid idea and it has been by everyone with a brain to magnetize since.

  • Anonymous Isn’t Anonymous

    Trying to silence a viewpoint because you don’t like it? This is less science and more mental illness. Mr. Holbrook and co need a stay in the crazy bin.

  • golightly

    Must be Muslim scientists.

  • doree10

    What an absolute waste of time…

    • Anonymous Isn’t Anonymous

      Waste of grants. To think we’re paying out of pocket for this.

  • rthomp8363

    Basically a lobotomy and then you become a liberal

    • disqus_X5CE5XwQcX

      rthomp: or when you smoked too much weed in the 60s (and perhaps still do) and dropped a lot of LSD. Now the old hippie libs have put America on a real terrifying and recurring acid trip, man….

  • Stephen Lowe

    Was this funded by the government?

  • Everyone has a right to free stuff produced by others aka theft. THAT is a mental disorder.

  • Obamanocchio69

    So if this is done correctly, with enough brain destruction, you become a socialist. That explains what has bee going on in America since the 60’s. Brain damage.

    • Hot Sea-man

      only with drugs instead of magnets..

  • brooksmd

    Liberalism is what smart looks like to stupid people.

    • Sterny

      Beautiful!!!! I’m gonna use that.

      • Albert8184

        Fascists are what socialists turn into when “Smart” doesn’t work anymore.

    • nobody

      No, it’s what brain-damaged conservatives believe it is.

  • jstan442

    will they use it on the gays? or the feminazis? or how about the metrosexual or pajama boys??

  • randy brown

    WHAT WONT THE ATHEIST DO TO KILL FAITH

    • Rob Genaa

      You mean FAITH in a different god than their dirt god that created itself from nothing?

    • nobody

      Nothing, faith will simply die by itself when there will be no more people dumb or mentally disturbed enough to embrace it. And we’re slowly getting there.

      • randy brown

        WHY DO YOU ATHEIST SEND SO MUCH EFFORT IN DESTROYING IT THEN IF ITS DYING

        • nobody

          Because it doesn’t die quickly enough and we still end up with barely literate guys like you that don’t even know how to use a keyboard, let alone think properly.

    • Microaggressive

      Atheism is a faith that is often made fully religious when Atheists get together to impose their faith on others. Atheists are more likely than Muslims to have you murdered for rejecting their faith.

  • albundy57

    They used to use electrical shocks. How about we find the mechanism to erase liberalism from brains!

  • Voxhalyn Rakkasan

    Then using the same logic/procedure you can cure homosexuality and change belief in global warming.

  • It’s horribly RUDE to brainwash other people no matter how you do it. That would be a complete violation of human rights and basically mind rape. Personally, I’m not religious, but how dare you even consider brainwashing a person. It’s a whack nut communist’s dream. Go back to the Hitlerish socialist rock that you crawled out from,

  • DWKeller

    Fascism through better science.

  • Mr. Anonymous

    Nothing but psuedoscience bullshit being pushed by cultural marxists.

    • nobody

      Compared to your delusion about a god that has created everything and knows everything in advance, yet it can be overpowered by men with iron chariots?

      • Mr. Anonymous

        I can see reading comprehension doesn’t work well for you.

        I never stated that I believed in a god.

        I don’t believe in nonsense when it comes to religion or science. Especially when it comes to quackery psuedoscience such as this.

        Next…

        • nobody

          So you have no scientific arguments against their conclusions from this study, only your cultish beliefs, got it.
          Next….

          • Mr. Anonymous

            Is it an observational study? That’s what really matters.

            Reading must be difficult for you. Where in my response did I state my belief in a god?

            Your irate and full of anger. I find this to be typical behavior of people with short attention spans.

            Next…

          • nobody

            Apparently i have more attention span and reading comprehension than you because i was able to read the whole article and understand what was written in it. You on the other hand….

          • Mr. Anonymous

            Hey atleast your not accusing me of believing in a god now. Now your learning..

            We’re making progress. Baby steps…

          • nobody

            I see you still have no basic knowledge of spelling. See, this is why cultish homeschooling should be banned, we end up with people like you.

          • Mr. Anonymous

            Quite hypocritical of you to accuse me of spelling when you can’t even capatilize your I’s.

            Again, there you go with the accusations. Now I’m apparently home schooled who believes in a god.

            Now your just grasping at straws desperately trying to look smart. Your not doing a very good job.

          • nobody

            Actually only yankees, in their patois, capitalize a pronoun. Probably because they believe to be the equals of gods.
            And Cthulhu forbid you use a spellchecker, that would imply you would have to use your shrivelled brain to choose the correct option, the effort might kill you.

          • Mr. Anonymous

            You’re an idiot. Plain and simple. Full of hatred and anger, maybe you need your brain zapped?

          • nobody

            There is no significant difference between what a yankee calls a functioning brain and what the rest of the world calls a defective brain so i have no hope you’ll ever think properly.

          • Mr. Anonymous

            Meh, now your just rambling on about nothing.

          • nobody

            I know, but it’s truly amazing that you are capable to realize that your brain is practically nothing to speak about.

          • Mr. Anonymous

            More nonsensical rambling, I’m glad you can admit that.

          • Mr. Anonymous

            More nonsense, atleast your capable of admitting to talking about nothing.

            Hey, it’s a start.

          • nobody

            My god, the irony in this comment….

          • Mr. Anonymous

            More dribble Keep it going…

          • Mr. Anonymous

            More dribble. Keep it going…

          • Mr. Anonymous

            Yay! More dribble!

          • Mr. Anonymous

            I hope that isn’t the best you can do.

          • nobody

            No, but it’s the most your very limited mind can process so i won’t go any further, it would be a waste of effort.

          • Mr. Anonymous

            .

          • Mr. Anonymous

            Nah, you just can’t come up with anything more intelligent to say.

          • disqus_X5CE5XwQcX

            My point is that you Brits, and many europeans in general, have an over inflated opinion of yourselves and look down on us. The USA, which I will remind you, sent hundreds of thousands of our soldiers to die in YOUR war with Germany so that you wouldn’t have to be speaking German today. And my own father fought in the D-Day invasion in Normandy and was horribly injured. He was the first generation American from a Ukrainian family. I don’t want to hear you down our country anymore, when we look at what’s happening to the grand “British Empire” which is post christian, and where the most popular name for babies is “Mohammed.” Any other questions, old Chap?

          • nobody

            Hey, at least we’re aren’t yankees, thank Cthulhu for that.

          • disqus_X5CE5XwQcX

            that’s your problem buddy. Next time you have a problem, DON’T CALL ON US TO BAIL YOU OUT!

          • nobody

            Here’s the problem, we never did that, you came uninvited.

          • disqus_X5CE5XwQcX

            Really? That is revisionist history if I ever heard it! How many times did Churchill, a man I really admire by the way, but probably because he is half American, come to Roosevelt and beg us to get into the war? Hmmm? You are not being truthful old chap. England could not have fought Germany off without our help because you limeys were bankrupt from WWI, which you also dragged us into, I might add.

          • nobody

            You should stop confusing all of us with a few insane prime ministers. And again with the dragging? Really? It’s that hard to look at Discovery? I say looking at the tv because i know that reading a book is truly too much for the likes of you.

          • disqus_X5CE5XwQcX

            Mr. I don’t know how they say this on that bloody little island you live on, but YOU ARE A LIAR. We should have let Hitler have what was left of great Britain. If all brits think like you, I’m sorry that my family’s blood was shed for you people. And my own grandmother was a british subject! SHAME ON YOU.

          • nobody

            No wonder your close ancestors ended up there in the colonies, they were way, waay to dumb to survive here. And you got even dumber. But hey, what else could you be? You’re a gullible yankee, ready to be the obedient lackey and cannon fodder to any master that deems you worth a damn.

          • disqus_X5CE5XwQcX

            Am I mistaken or was this article about Yankees or was it about magnet quackery? You Brits can sure hold a grudge. Just because you lost the most valuable piece of real estate in the world and we became a superpower, don’t get so “cheeky” about it, to use one of your expressions.

          • nobody

            And your point is…. Or were you just rambling about your lost status as the only superpower left and your impending and final collapse?

  • AFBooks

    So this lunatic atheist thinks he can override God by playing god. What will happen when he meets his Creator. Oops.

    • nobody

      Actually every kid can override god simply by ignoring the indoctrination that has been given by his uneducated, brainwashed parents like yourself.
      Nothing will happen when they will come home to visit you, at worst you will have a nasty argument and the visits will become fewer and fewer until they will simply stop and you will die alone.

  • stvw

    Too bad you can’t cure the mental disorder called Liberalism with magnets.

    • CommonSense033

      When they push it into outright communism backed by brutal enforcers, it can be cured with lead, but we’re not there yet.

      • Albert8184

        If you wait that long, it’s already too late. Anyway, why do we need to wait for Jason to take off his hockey mask when he’s standing in the doorway with a bloody chain saw?

    • Sterny

      Can’t cure it with magnets, but you can cure it with lead.

      • Albert8184

        Too bad there aren’t enough people out there ready to dispense the prescription.

        • nobody

          There aren’t enough people like that because this is a civilized country and mentally disturbed religious and right-wing fanatics are fewer and fewer.

          • pokey’s pissed

            Agreed, they are fewer and fewer, in fact so few that none are found among the ranks of the religious right but the quantity of mentally disturbed leftists are growing at a scary pace. Just look at how many fawning sycophants show up at Hitlery (FORWARD …TO PRISON!) events, or show up to worship at the feet of that failed socialist Sanders.

          • nobody

            Yes, we are, and there is nothing you can do about that, the society and its mores are changing thanks to the internet and ever expanding education, and Eisenhower, Nixon and Reagan and their times are never going to return from the grave. You’ll either have to learn to live in this new country that you hate or you’ll just have to tolerate it for a few more years , until you’ll die of old age and accumulated bile.

          • Public_Sense

            Bitter much?

          • nobody

            No, i’m positively giddy seeing how butthurt you are and joyous knowing you can’t do anything about it, that your fight is already lost and you know it.

          • Public_Sense

            Lol

          • disqus_X5CE5XwQcX

            this is to Hillary: Don’t worry. Orange is the new black, dear!

          • Albert8184

            No. You’ve got your definitions mixed up, or should I say tailored to suit your narcissism? Historically, the right wing represents the supporters of the status quo establishment. Why would people happy with the status quo want to rebel against themselves? No, I’m afraid you are a Leftie talking about “upholding civilization” and “civil behavior”…. so I have to ask. Are you actually a right winger?

          • nobody

            No, historically the right wing represents the supporters of greed and authority to act with complete freedom in the fulfilment of that greed – that’s why they are universally viewed as reactionary, against the betterment of their society. Because they would lose the power to exploit others and acquire more wealth, that’s why.
            No, i am not, i am what you might call a centrist, one that rejects both extremes as equally detrimental to our society.

          • Albert8184

            You’re an extremist.

          • nobody

            Says the true one.

          • Albert8184

            You’re an extremist. And what’s worse…. you’re an extremist who thinks most people are going to be dumb enough to believe your extremism is “centrist”.

          • Blackbriar

            Hahaha! ‘Albert8184’, you are so very Typical & Predictable.

            Do you ever Think for Yourself? Have any original thoughts or ideas?

            And your highly typical, immature macho “Too bad there aren’t enough people out there ready to dispense the prescription.” is about as childish and cowardly as it gets. I’ve seen and heard your loud-mouthed type at the Gun range many times ‘ “Oh! I cannot wait until I get to use my weapon because I am a rooten’-tooten’ Macho Man! who will blast those fools!”

            Those types are ALWAYS total Cowards – are you?

          • jamesben

            You’re an idiot. Right wing represents the least government necessary and economic freedom for all – the Left is, and always has been, totalitarian in nature – since the Marxist/Lenin “revolution.”

            And NO – Hitler was a socialist, hence his regime’s total control of industry though law and coercion.

          • nobody

            And here gentlemen we have the product of the american education – something a bit less educated than the average african.

          • jamesben

            E ff off commie, and you obviously can’t distinguish between competing socioeconomic or political constructs.

          • nobody

            My oh my, what a reasoned argument, you must be a conservative.

      • Heartland Patriot

        Hey, don’t leave out copper…they go together so well, you know.

      • nobody

        And that’s why the government has officially labelled conservative groups as potential terrorist organization, because the only thing that stops you from acting on your words is the fear you’ll be caught and made to pay for what you did.

      • disqus_X5CE5XwQcX

        Dang, Sterny, you stole my thunder!

    • nobody

      Actually it could have been cured, it it would have been a mental disease. You know, like belief in an imaginary friend and selfish conservatism.

      • Mr. Anonymous

        Your so desperate to defend your own agenda and belief system from others that might think differently than your own that you can’t help yourself from responding to nearly every comment here.

        But since you keep mentioning how much better the left vs the right is (I’m neither) lets talk about it.

        There’s virtually little difference when it comes to Democrats and Republicans on several important issues…especially war.

        Both parties are war mongers and lying theives that will say whatever people like yourself want to hear to get elected. They know how to play to your emotions. And it’s worked well.

        I have absolute disdain for both liberal and conservatives alike.

  • Ealdwine AelfgarHammerok

    So, there was a statistical anomaly in a group’s answers after applying magnetism to the subject’s heads.

    They may as well have used phrenology, feeling the bumps on the subject’s heads. What quackery!

    • Heartland Patriot

      Ah, but (leftwing) politically motivated quackery, of course. Now, get in line and believe correctly, comrade peasant, or you will be brain zapped!

      • Ealdwine AelfgarHammerok

        I think I hit my head. sorry I’ll uh you know believe correctly

        ah watz dat buzzing i here?

  • No Comment

    My claim is knuckles zapping the brain via the forehead can treat the belief that magnets zapping the brain treats belief in God and opening arms to illegal alien migrants.

  • Nexus Arcana

    Using a technique called transcranial magnetic stimulation”

    Is that what they’re calling brainwashing these days?

    • nobody

      No, that’s what were are calling direct brain stimulation now. Brainwashing is what your parents have done to you and what you are trying to do to your children, and hopefully fail at it because they now have the internet to fact-check your mind-numbing indoctrination.

      • Hsialin

        The only brain washed is yours.

        • nobody

          Yea, because belief in an peeping tom god is so normal and natural.

  • SilverBeast

    This is satire right?

  • Kitwench

    Intentionally causing targeted brain damage cause people to lose their faith, and worry less about immigration?
    And this is a reasonable goal?!?
    Since when is intentionally causing brain damage a GOOD idea?
    Uh, when it dumbs down the citizenry so they aren’t bothered by political mischief, apparently!

    • Albert8184

      Not a bit different than what the Soviets and Nazis used to do to people.

      • Heartland Patriot

        Soviets and Nazis? Try American and European doctors. Electro-shocking people, and performing lobotomies on people…and not all who had that done to them were full-on “crazy”, either.

        • Albert8184

          Soviets and Nazis were IDEOLOGICAL entities within nations. Americans and Europeans are citizenship designations. What does this mean? You can have progressivist ideologies operating in any country. And make no mistake about it… what was occurring in psychiatric hospitals the world over in that time period was done under the guise of science and “progressive” methods of treating mental illness. Shall we review the history and the key players?

    • nobody

      No, not brain damage, forcing the brain to work correctly for a short time. If the effect would have been permanent you can bet your life you would have been forced to take it already. After all, mental patients don’t get a say on their treatment.

  • CommonSense033

    Somewhere, Satan and Josef Mengele are grinning from the flames.

    • nobody

      Nah, satan doesn’t exist and Mengele has turned to dirt a long time ago.

    • that doesn’t make sense..how can you laugh at the same time that you are suffering?

  • Rob Genaa

    Can this technique be used to cure atheists of their Animism? I.E. belief in the dirt god that created itself from nothing.

    • nobody

      No, because unlike you we don’t suffer from any severe mental delusions about imaginary friends that made the universe without themselves having to be created by anything higher.

      • Hot Sea-man

        “we don’t suffer from any severe mental delusions” only superiority and love of penis

        • nobody

          Well, we know fully well we are superior to you because not only we don’t suffer from severe delusions but the vast majority of us aren’t repressed sexual deviants like yourself.

  • Judith Van Doren

    Why did the treatment aim at the belief in God? Is it because scientists believe they are god, and want to dispel beliefs in God and replace God with the scientists? Making scientists paid by fed govt to lie out to be god, is one way for communism to increase their control.

    • Albert8184

      Yes. Of course, we weren’t really expecting the experiment to demonstrate how Catholicism could be spread with magnetism, were we? Or how people could be made hyper-patriotic for American values, baseball and apple pie. Like I said elsewhere… this is yet another bit of anecdotal evidence demonstrating who the real authoritarians are.

      • Judith Van Doren

        “authoritarians” another word for control freaks, another word for communism which is govt where only god is govt.

        • Albert8184

          I wonder if the magnets can be used to discourage entitlements seeking and reprogram the mind for entrepreneurial behavior. If a conservative-run experiment proposed that inquiry by science, how do you think the Left would react?

          • Judith Van Doren

            Left would probably yell that conservative was after their money and control over what they do. Left always accuses conservatives of what the left does, left thinks everyone thinks like the left.

          • Albert8184

            I agree with you except for the last part. Actually, I think, the Left knows that nearly all people would never agree with their ultimate aims. That’s all part of the “disease” and the “alienation from self” that reactionary society causes and which socialism aims to cure. Leftists are elitists. Not populists. They play populism to gain control of “the mob” and to divide and conquer it. But nobody followed Kim Il Sung because he told them what life in North Korea was going to look like when he got his way. He kept that part a secret. And rest assured… 99 percent of the liberals in the West have NO DESIRE at all to be deep red radical Lefties.

          • Judith Van Doren

            Liberals are using communism to remove Christianity, and laws and Constitution, to make it easier for them to gain more control; They will implement and are implementing communism where it best suits them.

          • Albert8184

            Not liberals. Liberals are useful idiots. True communists refer to Western Liberals as “decadent bourgeois”. And I believe they really mean that, because there are no liberal authoritarian states in the world. Promoting liberalism serves a tactical purpose. But it isn’t the objective. Behind liberals stand the true blue Marxists… and we all might be surprised to know who those “shadowing figures” really are…. or maybe not.

    • Heartland Patriot

      Well, you use the word communism, and I understand why (I think). However, I’d say they are more elitist statists, though they want the “dirty masses” to live in a socialistic society…as long as the elites don’t have to live that way, of course.

    • Go USA

      These are no real scientist. These are 3rd reich style human experiments.

    • nobody

      No, it’s because belief in imaginary beings is a well known and well documented mental disease and its diagnostic is very well defined.

  • Albert8184

    So…. if this doesn’t tell you which side of the divide is the evil side… there’s no helping you. In other words… the real totalitarians are standing up.

    • nobody

      There is no good or evil side, only a scientific and a mentally disturbed, unscientific side.

      • Hot Sea-man

        and stupid azzes that need to myob..

  • Pete Seeger’s Banjo

    Even with as many flaws as Briggs finds in the study, I think he’s just scratching the surface. The study seems to assume that all “ideology” is irrational, as though one can’t have a reasoned belief in God or logical reason to treat “out groups” with caution. Apparently, my use of extra caution when traveling in El Salvador, the country with the highest homicide rate in the world, last year was just a prejudice caused by my irrational ideology about out-groups. Hmmm

    And what does interfering with the brain’s natural thought processes by bombarding it with magnetic waves really demonstrate? Perhaps the subjects that were most affected by the experiment actually had the most rational views on religion and out-groups? Maybe the parts of their brains that respond to threats respond the way they do because of their logically founded beliefs? Maybe the magnet gun simply disrupted the connection between the logic circuit and the threat recognition circuits.

    There are so many unknowns in this study that I’m not sure if it’s safe to draw any conclusions from it other than that by drowning a person’s brain in magnetic waves might alter the way they think immediately afterwards.

    Not very scientific. Pathetic, actually.

    • nobody

      There is no rational belief in anything since, by definition, a belief exists only when there is a complete lack of evidence to support it, otherwise it would have been called a conviction.
      It demonstrates that beliefs, religious ones specifically, are nothing more than brain malfunctions that can be temporarily and partially repaired.
      Unfortunately we still don’t fully understand how the brain works and because of that still don’t have any cures for the mental diseases that exist. Until that happens people will still be schizophrenic and will still have delusions about gods that control the universe.

  • Heartland Patriot

    Comrade peasant, you must not believe in God. Also, comrade peasant, you must love all immigrants. Do the things the almighty political state tells you to do, comrade peasant…or else we will zap your brain!

    • paul tarsuss

      The Truth is such that a Child can grasp it….while these ‘lettered’ fools publicly fund their desperate escape from accountability to our Creator.

      If any of these cowards would dare to study the following evidence in the ‘blinding’ light of common sense, their heads would explode in fright.

      “Ancient High Performance Electric Motors Discovered That Are Still In Production”

      It’s no wonder that our world is in the state it’s in….afterall, virtually the whole of the “civilized” world has been run by ‘college graduates’ for decades. Governments, Corporations, main stream media, education systems….etc…

      Our world is receiving some hefty reminders that cleverness is NOT Widsom….and ‘Those who will not remember the past, are doomed to repeat it.’ – Santayana (aphorism)

      Good Journeys

      • nobody

        The truth is that you believe that your own delusion about your particular imaginary friend is real. Unfortunately there is still no definitive treatment for mental illnesses like yours.

        • Hot Sea-man

          go zap yourself, gloryhole maggot

          • nobody

            Nah, unlike you i’m not a human failure and i really don’t need to do that. BTW, you do know you can get rent-boys to treat your obsession? Come on, get out of the closet, you’ll feel better.

  • Brendan Rubio

    “Do you remember,” [O’Brien] went on, “writing in your diary, ‘Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four’?”

    “Yes,” said Winston.

    O’Brien held up his left hand, its back toward Winston, with the thumb hidden and the four fingers extended.

    “How many fingers am I holding up, Winston?”

    “Four.”

    “And if the Party says that it is not four but five — then how many?”

    “Four.”

    The word ended in a gasp of pain. The needle of the dial had shot up to fifty-five. The sweat had sprung out all over Winston’s body. The air tore into his lungs and issued again in deep groans which even by clenching his teeth he could not stop. O’Brien watched him, the four fingers still extended. He drew back the lever. This time the pain was only slightly eased.

    “How many fingers, Winston?”

    “Four.”

    The needle went up to sixty.

    “How many fingers, Winston?”

    “Four! Four! What else can I say? Four!”

    The needle must have risen again, but he did not look at it. The heavy, stern face and the four fingers filled his vision. The fingers stood up before his eyes like pillars, enormous, blurry, and seeming to vibrate, but unmistakably four.

    “How many fingers, Winston?”

    “Four! Stop it, stop it! How can you go on? Four! Four!”

    “How many fingers, Winston?”

    “Five! Five! Five!”

    “No, Winston, that is no use. You are lying. You still think there are four. How many fingers, please?”

    “Four! Five! Four! Anything you like. Only stop it, stop the pain!”

    Abruptly he was sitting up with O’Brien’s arm round his shoulders. He had perhaps lost consciousness for a few seconds. The bonds that had held his body down were loosened. He felt very cold, he was shaking uncontrollably, his teeth were chattering, the tears were rolling down his cheeks. For a moment he clung to O’Brien like a baby, curiously comforted by the heavy arm round his shoulders. He had the feeling that O’Brien was his protector, that the pain was something that came from outside, from some other source, and that it was O’Brien who would save him from it.

    “You are a slow learner, Winston,” said O’Brien gently.

    “How can I help it?” he blubbered. “How can I help seeing what is in front of my eyes? Two and two are four.”

    “Sometimes, Winston, sometimes they are five. Sometimes they are three. Sometimes they are all of them at once. You must try harder. It is not easy to become sane.”

  • Elevator_Insider

    Just goes to show you atheist and liberals are brain dead.

    • Kneel Before Zod!

      Except the ones with the ability to dispossess you of any notion that God is real and or that Conservative values are worth fighting for.

  • Go USA

    “treat”?
    So now believing in God is a disease and needs to be treated?Nice science you have there.
    Oh, and remember when gay therapy caused outrage and condemning, local governments rushed to outlaw it?
    Yet this n@z! style experiments on humans to change what they believe in is good and is “science” for some.
    Hypocrisy?
    You be

    • obama the extremist

      Liberals are THE most hypocritical beings on Earth.

  • Worry

    This sounds like the worst of Soviet Psychiatry.

    • Kneel Before Zod!

      You mean the BEST.

  • monkeymanrises

    Perhaps it could work just as well on gays&liberal progressives! Now that would truly be scientific progress.

    • Timmae

      Politically Incorrect. Can not compute. Unacceptable.

  • 1AmericanFreedomFighter

    Just another reason we need guns

    • Kneel Before Zod!

      What good will they be if they Zap enough of us out of our love for them? With an ability like this, lifetime card-carrying NRA members may line up to turn in their weapons voluntarily!

  • 1AmericanFreedomFighter

    explains Congress

  • Suzebeez

    When they start moving the giant magnets into your neighborhood………

  • Hot Sea-man

    so… brainless morons don’t believe in god and welcome muslim invaders.. that explains SOOOO much..

    • Kneel Before Zod!

      Not in the way you mean, but you literally hit the nail on the head. Most progressive liberals can’t even fathom what a belief in a higher power is and that is why they don’t see the threat of the Islamic death cult who are ready to carry out what their “good book” tells them to.

  • JOHNNY LAWSON

    It’s not a belief in God that’s the problem on this planet, it’s religion.

    • Indeed! Religion poisons everything!

      • Kneel Before Zod!

        Oh stop, you sound just like that college shooter from Oregon.

        • that is silly, I do not even own a gun!

          • Kneel Before Zod!

            We are all killers. You just lack proper motive at current. It is in our nature. Leaving religion out of it for the time being, forensic psychology has determined that women are much more devious and creative at killing than are men. Sigrun Rossmanith wrote a book about about it. You see, women have to make up for a lack of physical strength. That’s just biology. I’m more afraid of a woman with a hard grudge than any man with a firearm.

          • I get it but that has nothing to do with my comment..I am not a killer..I want love and peace and freedom to say what I want without some dummy making a snarky insults on my morality or anything that is not their belief!
            Not that you are a dummy zod.
            I have to stop commenting on line because seems like no matter what one says, there is someone full of hate after them to protect their gods..silly!

          • Kneel Before Zod!

            Well. Commenting online is a double-edged sword. It satisfies a visceral need to engage in deep discussion all while making you lose faith in humanity.

          • True, but I am compelled. There are those who accuse comments made which are different from theirs to be ignorant or commies or marxists..
            all fear tactics and people huffing and puffing. I am saying what I want to say! Listen to your inner mind and be a good person and stop hating everything.
            Plus, words are indeed like swords sometimes!

            “hey, you are a satan worshiper”
            “Hey, you liberal hippie”
            I love that one..
            or, you’re ignorant!”
            Oye..I have read them all and it does nothing to explain all the opportunities we have to learn and be better, smarter and where we do not cling to old useless ways to reach this..so called salvation! How many goats does this god need?
            You know what I say?
            “you’re mom, was a hippie and so was every poet at heart.”
            That is what I say..say what you want and others should too..we all have a duty to listen and learn what will best serve us and not gods..us..

    • WhiteDragonKing

      Wrong pal, religion on it’s own is nothing but a set of values ,except islam cause of the kill the infidels crap. Now political agenda is more the problem. Like ruling the world for instance.

  • cecil91

    Perhaps this treatment would help gays to cure their peculiar affliction.

  • Kevin Howell

    Alcohol and drugs have the same effect.

    • Kneel Before Zod!

      Yes but you have to constantly reapply treatment for it to work and once you cease dosage the effects wear off.

  • Rose Rights

    Why don’t you just brainwash immigrants to go home and get along with each other?

    • jbspry

      You cheeky thing!

  • buttaboom

    Won’t work in Whitehouse because there isn’t anyone with
    brains working or living there.

    • Monk

      With all of the electronics in and around government buildings, I think we’ve just learned why it is so dysfunctional.

  • agcala

    Scientists also claim Global Warming is real and Big Bang occurred. Let alone evolution. But again who cares about what scientists say anymore?

    • Hedley Lamar

      There are scientists and then there are government paid “scientists”.

      • DufusofAustin

        Also known as hacks or shills. Dumbasses may be more fitting.

      • gene

        Most Climate “scientists” don’t even take calc, they’re just liberal art shills.

        • Hedley Lamar

          I didn’t know that. But it’s another fun fact.

    • I do! Lets review, you are sick, very very sick, do you pray or go to the doctor? The parents of that baby who was sick prayed and prayed instead of taking her to the doctor to be treated for her illness, she died, dude! They are going to jail!
      Evolution, what ever it is, is real..you have changed so much just in the time you have lived..True fact, there is way way more carbon in our breathing air than ever before! this makes our planet warmer..why sit there and say things just because you refuse to see the truth? (also if your reply is laced with words like “ignorant”, “stupid” or “unsaved”,or “you feel sorry for me”, I will think that one cannot respect one, who begins with insults)
      Magnets? I think it is way too soon to start changing peoples mind with magnets..although, when common sense does not work…lol

  • Sean Oliver

    A swim in the dead pacific ocean or a little bit of fish or suchi from Japan will do it also.
    Radiation love you, love you long time!
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    Free Chemo for everyone

  • Sean Oliver

    Radiation makes you strong
    beautifulgirlbydana on youtube if you don’t believe me.

  • dude911

    Stupidity is its own reward.

  • Hedley Lamar

    I’m told a lobotomy also works.

  • Art Carnage

    Let them think they can do it and they will go on their merry way. Perhaps they should try it on homosexuality. Or is that not en vogue?

    • Kneel Before Zod!

      You mean we can get Bruce Jenner back?

  • ounceoflogic

    I’m pretty sure lobotomy would increase the “cure” rate to 100%. Hitler would be so proud.

    • Kneel Before Zod!

      No he wouldn’t, that’d be a waste of medical resources and personnel. Zyklon-B was cheaper and more effective at silencing the opposition.

  • Ronald Jackson

    WHY NOT ZAP LIBERAL BRAINS SO THEY BECOME CONSERTAVE AND FORGET OBOZO AND HILLARY THE TREASONES WOMAN?

    • Barack’sGotYourBack

      Unfortunately, the initial results appear to make people lower functioning, not higher.

  • cleo48

    I see. Will this treatment be required in order to qualify for healthcare and other entitlements? Think I’m joking? The Demo-Marxist party would trot that concept out in a heartbeat and not even blush.

  • carl

    take a perfectly normal brain, zap it and look what happens

    • Barack’sGotYourBack

      Yes! Instant dumbing down; just like you see in libs.

  • Beckwith

    More proof that liberalism is a mental disease.

    • Barack’sGotYourBack

      At least it is an indicator that liberalism is a sign of artificially tampered with brains….

  • KEITH

    This is just stupid. Anything that effects the brain will alter one’s attitude on any subject. For example, I love my job and I view my job as having a responsibility to show up for work everyday and work to my best ability. Now, throw in a heroin high which will relax my brain to the point of not needing or wanting to show up for work and perform my job which is vital to my community. Big deal…we all knew this.
    Why not just write this article? “A BULLET TO THE BRAIN WILL MAKE MOST PEOPLE FORGET ABOUT WANTING TO LIVE”.

  • jeffsd

    Curing people of a belief in God would be great for humanity.

    • 0hioAnon

      Curing subhuman immigrants of their lives would do us all a huge favor.

    • Paul Mall

      Yes, then we could all enjoy the peaceful humanism we’ve seen in places like Mao’s China and Stalin’s USSR.

      • WhiteDragonKing

        hahaha, good one.

    • Kneel Before Zod!

      Yes, we can separate Conservatives from their love of deity worship and Liberals will finally admit that AGW is a myth as well.

    • Charles

      What has it done for you jeffsd? (I’m making the leap that you are human.)

    • parabellum

      If I didn’t believe in God, you’d already be dead.

      • jeffsd

        Wow, is your mind so weak that you would actually murder without a belief in a fairy tale?

        • parabellum

          That’s right. Gimme that old time religion.

  • Monk

    And here I, too, thought lobotomies (of any type) were abandoned as primitive and barbaric! I guess nothing is so to a progressive central planner.

    • Kneel Before Zod!

      Lobotomized voters are easier to pile into buses to get to the polls. If the Democrats can get enough of them, they will be able to stop using dead registered voters and fictional cartoon characters to pad the vote count.

  • RetiredArmyGuy

    What can we use to zap the brains of loonie Marxist scientists who believe that everyone should embrace the same stupid views as theirs?

    • Kneel Before Zod!

      That new rail gun the Navy is building.

      • Charles

        Can this rail gun be used to launch atomic waste into the sun?

        • Kneel Before Zod!

          0-5,000 mph in the span of 1/100th of a second. Unfortunately only a range of 100 miles.

    • Barack’sGotYourBack

      120 Volts AC?

      • Charles

        Best jack that up to about 480 VAC with plenty of current available.

        • Barack’sGotYourBack

          Right! 3 phase, just in case they bat for the other team….or both teams….

  • obama the extremist

    Can the magnets cure homosexuals and belief in global warming too?

    • Barack’sGotYourBack

      That would have yielded a more beneficial use of the resources that went into this ‘study’.

      Unfortunately, it appears that the magnetic brain zapping turns people into libs / low information voters.

  • Paul Mall

    So if I understand this article, brain damage will make me more liberal?

  • SamIamTwo

    Don’t zap me bro! Bunch of sickos.

  • Mysterian

    More Dr. Mengele science,brought to you by the left. They’re trying to turn the masses in to non-thinking, useless drones.

    • Kneel Before Zod!

      Wrong! They want us to be non-thinking, USEFUL drones. If they wanted us rendered useless, they’d simply exterminate us.

      • Mysterian

        If your a mind controlled Zombie, you pretty much are useless.

  • Kneel Before Zod!

    Hahahaha! Liberals do the darndest things! I wonder what this technology will be used for once perfected. Hmmmmmmmmm…..World Communism? World Fascism? The possibilities are endless!!! I can’t wait!

  • ok18879

    Sounds more like a magnetic lobotomy. Which says a lot about atheism and multiculturalism.

  • Ali Von Goldberg

    No doubt the study was funded by a federal grant – taxpayers.

  • hunterson

    So there is hope for a cure for the kooks who are fixated on a climate apocalypse after all.

  • demsaredelusional

    This won’t work on liberals, they don’t use their brains to begin with.

  • michael dodge

    Typical liberal godless spew. I’m ready to shatter any satanic mooozloid liberal teeth w a pin point elbow to their piggy mouth

  • stacker

    I wonder if it works for global warming too?

  • Charles

    I’m starting to think the universe is gravitational electro-magnetism.

  • Joel A. Edge

    The Democrat Party leadership must be wetting themselves reading this.

    • Kneel Before Zod!

      I doubt it. Their AGW Religion is highly threatened by this technology.

  • iceman

    You’d think they would have better things to research and spend their money on…………..jerkoffs

  • Florian Royack

    I am sure these are the same people who oppose any type of counseling for people who have the mental disease of homosexuality

    • parabellum

      “Counseling” for a “disease”? How progressive.

  • Kneel Before Zod!

    “The Gods of the Copybook Headings” by Rudyard Kipling

    AS I PASS through my incarnations in every age and race,
    I make my proper prostrations to the Gods of the Market Place.
    Peering through reverent fingers I watch them flourish and fall,
    And the Gods of the Copybook Headings, I notice, outlast them all.

    We were living in trees when they met us. They showed us each in turn
    That Water would certainly wet us, as Fire would certainly burn:
    But we found them lacking in Uplift, Vision and Breadth of Mind,
    So we left them to teach the Gorillas while we followed the March of Mankind.

    We moved as the Spirit listed. They never altered their pace,
    Being neither cloud nor wind-borne like the Gods of the Market Place,
    But they always caught up with our progress, and presently word would come
    That a tribe had been wiped off its icefield, or the lights had gone out in Rome.

    With the Hopes that our World is built on they were utterly out of touch,
    They denied that the Moon was Stilton; they denied she was even Dutch;
    They denied that Wishes were Horses; they denied that a Pig had Wings;
    So we worshipped the Gods of the Market Who promised these beautiful things.

    When the Cambrian measures were forming, They promised perpetual peace.
    They swore, if we gave them our weapons, that the wars of the tribes would cease.
    But when we disarmed They sold us and delivered us bound to our foe,
    And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: “Stick to the Devil you know.”

    On the first Feminian Sandstones we were promised the Fuller Life
    (Which started by loving our neighbour and ended by loving his wife)
    Till our women had no more children and the men lost reason and faith,
    And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: “The Wages of Sin is Death.”

    In the Carboniferous Epoch we were promised abundance for all,
    By robbing selected Peter to pay for collective Paul;
    But, though we had plenty of money, there was nothing our money could buy,
    And the Gods of the Copybook Headings said: “If you don’t work you die.”

    Then the Gods of the Market tumbled, and their smooth-tongued wizards withdrew
    And the hearts of the meanest were humbled and began to believe it was true
    That All is not Gold that Glitters, and Two and Two make Four
    And the Gods of the Copybook Headings limped up to explain it once more.

    As it will be in the future, it was at the birth of Man
    There are only four things certain since Social Progress began.
    That the Dog returns to his Vomit and the Sow returns to her Mire,
    And the burnt Fool’s bandaged finger goes wabbling back to the Fire;

    And that after this is accomplished, and the brave new world begins
    When all men are paid for existing and no man must pay for his sins,
    As surely as Water will wet us, as surely as Fire will burn,
    The Gods of the Copybook Headings with terror and slaughter return!

  • Morris65

    Back in the day manipulators had to settle for the good old prefrontal lobotomy. After watching the decline of America over the years, I’ve come to the conclusion that I’d rather have a bottle in front of me than a frontal lobotomy!

    • MudFlapShoes

      ha!

  • WBCarson

    The Progressives, who created the programs called “eugenics” which were
    later copied by the N-zis, are showing their colors again. They dont
    even try to hide it anymore. Those who do not believe in “Climate
    Change” should be put into re-education camps. Christians and J-ws are
    mental cases and enemies worthy of perverted medical experiments. We saw
    the internment camps set up for the illegals BEFORE they even arrived.
    Tea p-rty grannies are rabid r-cists, N-zis and terrorist and official
    documents and training in our military has been changed to reflect this.
    Look at what our own children are being taught in the schools.
    While
    we sit and wax poetic over a Constitution they have all but
    successfully perverted, they are charging full steam ahead with their
    takeover. Have we not seen the OWS, La Raza and illegal groups, anti-war
    groups, social causes groups, blacklives”matter” groups in the streets.
    Each has had their turn in the streets, each funded, organized from
    national to local level and they are flush with cash and coordination. A
    willing press pushes their narrative and lambastes anyone who stands up
    against it. These are the shock troops, equivalent to the N-zi SA or
    Communist workers unions, and rest assured after the gains the Left has
    made these past 40 years they will not, and plan not, to just lay down
    and let it all be erased.
    We had better wake up to this.

  • Sam Spade

    so will a lobotomy….sounds like some of our so called scientists have fallen victim to the same, rendered unable to think for themselves.

  • John

    Spontaneous liberal indoctrination via perpetual low dose nuclear electromagnetic pulsation. Now doesn’t that sound like it’s eligible for an award ?

    • WBCarson

      Lets not forget buckets of cash

  • Drew

    So now they want to shut down our brains to make us more Progressive.

  • sumday

    so impairing the brain can reduce the belief in G-d. Well I guess that would explain liberals/atheist. All this research really did was to show that when a functioning brain is impaired by an outside force their beliefs are altered. I’d be interested to see if the opposite were true as well, meaning instead of blocking signals to that part of the brain they enhanced those signals would an atheist change their views on G-d?

    • WBCarson

      They dont need to use magnets to do it, 12 plus years in our public schools all but does the same thing to the children.

  • Bob Sparks

    They are using it to make you believe in Global Warming so they can spread $$$$$around.

  • PDQuig

    Maybe the process could be applied to progressive zealots as well.

    • WBCarson

      “The Justice Department has created a “domestic terrorism” division
      after previously labeling libertarians and conservatives as “domestic
      extremists.”
      The DOJ announced it will appoint a “domestic terrorism counsel” to
      focus on who the Obama administration and the controversial Southern
      Poverty Law Center considers “extremists.”
      “Looking back over the past few years, it is clear that domestic
      terrorists and homegrown violent extremists remain a real and present
      danger to the United States,” the DOJ’s John Carlin said on Wednesday.” Infowars

      Who do you think all of these sick ideas are aimed at? anyone who does not agree with the Left. This is dangerous.

      • PDQuig

        Of course. The left lost the arguments long ago–something about the 100 million souls slaughtered during the 20th Century while pursuing their ideology to its logical endpoint. When you’ve lost the argument–but retain power–you go after your enemies with every weapon you possess. The left understands that this is a fight to the finish. The right has been far too accommodating and far too willing to accord honest motives to the left. Their motive is not honest. They desire to rule, not govern.

        I predict, however, that in the end this will not end well for them. They have no guns and the military loathes them.

        • WBCarson

          The horrors of the Left have been erased and America put in its place as the evil in the world for the past 100 plus years.
          School kids under 25 have no idea.
          Yes, we have sat and let it happen.

          • PDQuig

            Reality always finds a way to teach the foolish and ignorant. The lesson will be particularly hard this time. Peace.

        • slobotnavich

          Well spake!

  • Rogue Cheddar

    So let me see if I got this right, they discovered that if they destroy brain cells people turn into liberals? I knew it! I just knew it!

    • SeeThroughYou

      This article is baloney, the left inferior parietal lobe governs how your relate to others(immigrants) and the right inferior parietal lobe governs transcendent thought(Belief in God).

      Shut off the left and you make a sociopath, shut off the right and you turn a human into merely a “smart animal” incapable of making leaps in abstract thinking(Belief in God, Quantum Physics, etc).

      • Rogue Cheddar

        Maybe they threw the third switch.

        Dr. Frederick Frankenstein: Throw… the third switch!

        Igor: [shocked] Not the *third switch*!

  • MudFlapShoes

    which god?

    there are thousands, right atheists?

    some of them don’t even resemble people, just stuff.

    this could be bad for business models like creating anxieties that are only relievable by purchase.

  • waynesteapartyworld

    If we zap these so-called scientists’ brains with magnets, will it cure them of their belief in the pagan climate-change religion?

  • Seeker of Truth

    I did not realize that “faith” was something that needed to be treated.

    • Bugnut

      It is. Just like any delusion.

      • SeeThroughYou

        “Faith” is an abstract leap in thinking, the same type of brain activity that causes scientists to explore new concepts.

        • Bugnut

          “Faith” is pretending to believe in something that you know isn’t true.

          • MudFlapShoes

            that’s deep, man.

          • Kneel Before Zod!

            That is true. People put a lot of faith into the theory of evolution even though in Darwin’s own writings he wrote that the fossil record would eventually vindicate his theories. Since he wrote “Origin of the Species” no such fossils have been found that support evolution. None.

          • Bugnut

            LOL you need to stop kneeling before Zod and pick up a basic science textbook. The Theory of Evolution is the single most verified theory of all, next to gravity. Mountains of evidence spanning multiple disciplines buttress evolutionary theory, from the geological record to the makeup of our DNA. No rational person doubts evolution.

            But since you dismiss it so easily, present your evidence to the scientific world and prepare to collect your Nobel prize.

          • Kneel Before Zod!

            “To suppose that the eye, with all its inimitable contrivances for adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic aberration, could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest possible degree.”

            -Charles Darwin on his doubts about natural selection

            “Why, if species have descended from other species by insensibly fine gradations, do we not everywhere see innumerable transitional forms.”

            -Charles Darwin on the lack of finding any transitional fossils to enter into record to support the theory of evolution

            “If numerous species, belonging to the same genera or families,have really started into life all at once, the fact would be fatal to the theory to descent with slow modification though natural selection.”

            -Charles Darwin’s thoughts on if the fossil record reflected a simultaneous explosion of “transitional forms” how it would destroy the theory entirely…ever heard of the Cambrian Explosion?

            Darwin listed out what was needed for the theory to prove true. He was perplexed that the transitional fossils that would prove his theory hadn’t been found. He believed in the coming years, the fossil record would be corrected as more samples were discovered and his theory would be proven.

            “Origin of the Species” was written over 150 years ago. No fossils have been found to support Darwin’s theory and by Darwin’s own admission…the theory cannot prove true. An inconvenient truth for most True Believers. By your own definition…Darwin was an irrational man.

          • Ye Olde Statistician

            Wait. So if you believe your spouse is faithful because you know it isn’t true? You need to travel down that road towards “a rational, fact-based society” a little-bit farther, friend. If you know something isn’t true, why would you put any faith in it?

          • dean

            No…….”Faith is the substance of things hoped for, and the evidence of things not seen.”—- God gives a measure of “faith” to each person that comes into the world.—-These devils would like to remove that part of human creation………..by “operating ” on your brain…….AND EVERY ONE of you deaf mutes AREN’T up in arms and rage!!!!!!——–The Lord rebuke those very scientists!

          • Bugnut

            Faith is the substance of things hoped for, and the evidence of things not seen

            Quoting scripture to prove scripture. That works.

            God gives a measure of “faith” to each person that comes into the world.

            Okay. Demonstrate that God exists.

            These devils would like to remove that part of human creation

            Not devils. Goblins. Atheistic pro-abortion goblins that are trying to make you get gay married!

            The Lord rebuke those very scientists!

            There’s a problem. As science advances, “the Lord” retreats. God is running out of hiding places. Before much longer he will only be able to hide in such a small crevice that the world will just stop caring anymore.

      • MudFlapShoes

        delusion?

        but,there are so many.

        maybe we need something more permanent like a comet to collide with Earth.

      • Kneel Before Zod!

        Like the delusion that it’s ok for 4-6% of the US population to commit half of all violent crime? The delusion that ideas that have failed 1234598172435125 times are still solid and sound they just weren’t executed by the right people? The delusion that ending the life of an unborn child isn’t murder? The delusion that homosexuality has the same value to society as heterosexuality? Why do we pick and choose which delusions are ok and which aren’t? Lets cure them all eh?

        • Bugnut

          I’m all in favor of reducing the amount of delusions we all suffer under. I think if we start with the most obvious, pervasive, and harmful delusion – religion – we’ll make great progress towards a rational, fact-based society. Once we tackle that one we can move on to the others.

          • Kneel Before Zod!

            Albeit, one with looser morals.

          • Bugnut

            How do you figure? Given that religious people currently occupy prisons at the same rate as the general population, I’d say that morals are not linked to religion at all.

            And religion can make no claim to the moral high ground. Civilizations figure out that it was immoral to murder or steal long before any of the current superstitions were invented.

          • Kneel Before Zod!

            That’s the point though Bugnut. When those people wind up in prison, they haven’t just violated the law. The violated God’s law too. We get our moral code from a Judeo-Christian foundation. Like it or not the West was forged by Christian values. Your assessment of morals not being linked to religion is just a denial of obvious truth. Of course they are. Religion came long before government. Religion created the foundation for government. The most successful form of government known to date, the republic, was born of religion and prospered directly as a result of Roman and Greek religion, the very roots of Western culture. Christianity propelled a dying Roman Empire in both the East and West into relevancy in future eras. They didn’t conquer just territory, they conquered minds. Like it or not, religion played a huge role in shaping the moral code of our society. Just because you’re not religious doesn’t mean that isn’t true. You’re a product of your environment and your environment was forged by a religion.

          • Bugnut

            We get our moral code from a Judeo-Christian foundation

            Please be specific. What moral precepts do we get from Christianity that we wouldn’t otherwise have?

            When I read the bible I saw a lot of highly amoral (even sociopathic) behavior condoned by your god. Slavery, for example. Mass murder. Genocide. Rape.

            And the fundamental idea of Christianity, Original Sin, is barbaric. What just deity condemns his creation to eternal torture for the “sins” of unrelated people? And what loving god kills an innocent person to punish others who have committed no crime?

            No. Any moral code you have is the simple byproduct of being an empathic human coexisting in a society with others. You don’t want to be raped or murdered, so you don’t rape or murder. Trying to claim that the problematic bible provides a moral compass is specious given the evidence written that very book.

          • MudFlapShoes

            less than half of the earths population believes in a god.

            so………….

          • Kneel Before Zod!

            Pew Research Center’s Forum on Religion & Public Life says 84 percent of the world have faith. So no, you are incorrect.

          • MudFlapShoes

            faith?

            i said god, not faith.

            people put their faith in inanimate objects and in that the % is much higher than 84%.

  • kcsparky

    Brains “zapped” with lead treats stupidity as well!

  • parabellum

    Does this also work on the religions of Global Warming and Omnipotent Central Government?

    • Kneel Before Zod!

      New Liberal theme song? “Down with OCG”? By the way, that avatar is an instant classic and T-Shirts of this should be immediately made.

      • parabellum

        I’m down wit dat.

  • JasonH

    Sounds more like a non-surgical lobotomy that destroys critical thinking….it’s a leftist wet dream to create mind numb robots.

  • Bugnut

    Cool. Now let’s give the GOP some tinfoil hats with magnets and maybe we’ll get some sane legislation from them.

  • Tex Taylor

    I would call this the Obama Effect. The magnetic personality of ‘The One’ had 80,000 Leftist dupes, rubes, parasites, and deviants wetting their pants in front of Styrofoam Greek columns in a football stadium, wailing of His Goodness with free rent and gas.

    And then history unplugged Obama and he turned from Magnetic Magnificence to Grossly Inept Cad and thug.

  • barbara

    Very dangerous.

  • Jonathan

    You have a disease and the only thing that will fix you is if we damage your brain with the magnets. Hmm… maybe it is atheist that are brain damaged? Maybe we don’t want to be like them?

  • jgkiefer

    Science claims that not zapping brains with magnets can treat the belief in science.

  • Crocodile9

    Zapping the brain with liberalism cures sanity. The lunatics are running the asylum.

  • Udon Nomi

    Can’t wait for them to find the answer on a more …personal…basis.

  • ObamaIsAMuslim

    What do ppl think happens when you mess with the natural way God created humans. It is like taking a drug to numb pain. It is not reality.

  • Leslie

    In the future, a magnetic personality will mean a compliant sheep like person who’s been processed by the government. Reeducation just got a lot easier.

  • sodacrackers2

    Wanna bet whose brains they would like to zap? Christians? These are the same scientists who favor abortion and eugenics.

  • Adam Bricker

    So atheists are the brain-damaged ones. Interesting.

  • MudFlapShoes

    bottom level.
    orange beam.
    enjoy yourself.

  • Iatemine

    They will be brainwashing us that the world is flat again….

    • That

      …. and that your love of your automobile is killing Mother Earth. All that we need to do is surrender more of our labors, our liberties and our freedoms and the government will make all of these thins – and more – much better.

  • AmericanExceptionalismRules

    So let’s put this in perspective.
    The results prove that if you turn off the parts of the brain responsible for faculty of discrimination (judgement) and you “turn off groups of neurons in the brain that control critical thinking”
    You can then think like a lower thinking Progressive.
    Got it.

  • Joe Bleaux

    Interesting how it’s stated in terms of a “treatment” as though belief in our Creator is a disease. Atheists are truly sick in the head.

    • VolcanicSurfer

      Every outspoken atheist (as opposed to atheists who are respectful in their disagreements) has a driving insecurity. You will often find an abusive or absent father, a friendless childhood, or some other defining butthurt.

  • Patrick Murphy

    God has a bigger magnet.

  • CopperheadCSA

    It seems to me these “scientists” are not getting enough oxygen to their brains. A .45 caliber vent-hole in the skull should solve that problem quickly…..and permanently.

  • Mike

    Dr. Briggs is carrying the torch that Ben Franklin Lit? Hello Dr. Meissner your magic wand is not science. Hokum is hokum in the 18th century the same as the 21st. The same then as now.

  • VolcanicSurfer

    So shutting off part of the brain ends belief in God? How much of the brain must one shut off to become a bitter, angry man-child who harbors anger at a God he claims to not believe in?

    • Cody

      None, progressive leftists are born that way.

  • Cody

    Anyone trying to zap my or my families brain with magnets is going to have theirs zapped with lead. Actually, that may be a good way to change Leftists belief in evil, lead zap them.

    • Bugnut

      Aren’t we the macho wingnut? Can’t demonstrate that your superstition is actually true, so murder the people who doubt you. Classy.

      Good thing religion is disappearing. But the crazies will have to move on to something else, I suppose.

      • Cody

        Aren’t you the Leftist looney? Who said anything about murdering anyone? The only thing I expressed was that I would exercise my right to Self Defense, moron. I never said I would murder anyone, only that if anyone attempted such a thing on me or mine, I would do whatever is necessary to prevent it. I know, I know, you progressive twits do not believe in self defense, you should always allow anyone meaning you harm, to do as they please.

        • Bugnut

          You are right. You have the right (indeed obligation) to defend yourself and your family against any assailant, magnet-equipped or not.

          My apologies.

  • Zombee

    Maybe this can treat the mental disorder known as progressive liberalism.

  • Machismo

    Here is the answer for Atheists! Brain washing! The cannot stand the truth about the living God, so they come up with a plan for no one to believe. The only advantage to a machine like this would be to run radical Muslims through it to make them believe all human life is wonderful, and sacred. We would then have no Sharia, and heads rolling down the streets.
    Romans 1:29-32King James Version (KJV)
    29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
    30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
    31 Without understanding, covenant breakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
    32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

  • tendies4life

    This just tells me that atheists are quantifiably mental defectives, since normal people need to be “treated” to disbelieve.

  • AmericanExceptionalismRules

    Progressives already know how to kill the conscience. They are experts at it. For them, killing judgement, critical thinking and consequence is the next logical step.

  • Demokrat Amerika

    They used to do it with ice picks and call them lobotomies.
    It is so much more sophisticated this way.

  • AmericanExceptionalismRules

    Dennis Prager is right. Progressives are replacing morality with Leftist psychology and psychotherapy.
    Why? because it justifies all their bad behavior and removes moral consequence.

    • Bugnut

      Dennis Prager is a wingnut. Next.

      • AmericanExceptionalismRules

        You are a self proclaimed bug gonad. Next!

    • That

      With the Progressives, everything is a shade of gray. No black and white. Everything becomes a matter of moral relativity. For example, one man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter. One woman’s unborn baby is another woman’s blob of tissue. The Left has no moral compass.

  • lan

    Perhaps they could cure hoplophobia and narcissism. There’s a large pool of politicians ready to go.

  • dougtheavenger

    Scott Lilienfeld says “the half-life of facts can be especially brief” in this field.

    No kidding

    Real science depends upon replication of studies with questionable claims.

  • vance9281

    It now seems that those people who have rubbed Vicks VapoRub all of their faces & worn aluminum foil hats may have been onto something.

  • Andy

    “Transcranial Magnetic Stimulation?” With big magnets? Tried it. Still believe in God. Probably always will.

  • MudFlapShoes

    how does it work with the concepts of “lord” and “creator” or “all knowing”?

    seems like a long bath.

  • dougtheavenger

    Do they ask any of these questions?

    1. Is it better to help people too poor to migrate in the place where they live; such as providing an injection that costs pennies in order to prevent the spread of HIV from an infected mother to child during birth? Or is it better to spend thousands on an illegal immigrant who already paid thousands to people-smugglers to get him into the West so that his life will be more comfortable?

    2. Is it justifiable to keep wages artificially low by paying people to come to the West and work for low wages if this makes life more comfortable for the tiny sliver of humanity that benefits from it?

    3. Is it possible to prove a negative; such as, the assertion that there is no God?

  • d1k

    So to be an Atheist, you need brain damage…And?

  • 440MOPAR

    I question the participants willingness to have theirs brains zapped with a magnetic machine for testing. What were they, chimps ? In the meantime I’ll pray to the Lord in Jesus name that Briggs will focus his God given talents in a more productive way.

  • Leslie

    I see science isn’t trying to “cure” psychopathy, or sociopathy, but can you imagine a world where the psychopathic elite aren’t trying to control our lives every minute of the day?

  • Gustavo DiGiovanni

    These must be liberal liar scientists.

    • That

      Isn’t that a bit redundant?

      • Gustavo DiGiovanni

        Yes it is, but for the ignorant redundancy sometimes is beneficial.

  • potus/PATHETIC

    PUUUUUUULEASE!! You propagandist morons!
    And you say our biggest threat today is cumulus clouds!

  • 8411c

    Well, as soon as these “scientists” and their atheist pals can tell us all with 100% proof just who created Mathematics and instilled that concept in all of us from birth, even them, then they might have grounds to open the debate. Until then, I’ll stick with my Creator and they can yammer on like idiots.

    You see, in order to fully deny us all our “rights endowed by our Creator” they have to disprove the existence of our Creator. And now you know why they’re trying so hard.

  • Etaoin51

    Magnetic prefrontal lobotomy

    • Fritz_Von_Dago

      They try that on me, they would have to live through metallic high velocity blood poisoning first!

  • larry martin

    I would like to see different questions asked to see which way the final results may have affected the subject. For instance, ‘Do you think Hillary is honest? Or, will the Blue Jays win the pennant?’

    • 8411c

      Another good question or two: How much do you need the money we offered to participate in the study? and How much does the desire to please the person signing the check factor into these results?

  • Jack Carter

    Talk about a biased headline, “Scientists Claim Zapping Brains with Magnets Can Treat Belief in God”.

    Belief in God doesn’t need to be ‘treated’.

    The word this author should’ve used is: ‘manipulate’, and we all know how much the liberal, left would love to see any thoughts of God removed from the thinking person’s brain.

    Well, here’s the short story: I read the ‘book’, we win; they lose.

  • mauloa

    Why does the Science and Liberal community so fear an individual who believes in God? Why would they waste valuable funds and time to create/study such evil pursuits. To change a productive, intelligent mind to promote their agendas/beliefs is not only evil, but very, very dangerous. God help us they don’t take their discoveries to exhibit to elementary and high school students. They would have no problem getting the “volunteers” and they would have a generation of “Manchurian Candidates”. I wish this type of scientist failure in all of their pursuits – they are the Dr. Mengeles’ of our generation.

  • Matt M

    It seems to me there isn’t much of a functional difference between this and a lobotomy.
    The claim here seems to be that if you impede functionality in the brain that it can produce a required result.
    As the article quotes, the scientists claim they can “safely shut down certain groups of neurones” in the brain.
    Taken to an extreme, I’m certain that if I hit someone repeatedly in the head with a hammer and they survived, it would probably impede their belief in God. They probably wouldn’t be able to think at all. Grant it, this wouldn’t be a “safe” method however.

    What is all of this supposed to tell us about rather God exists or not, if belief is rational or not?
    Absolutely nothing as far as I can tell.

    This is more Atheistic “Scientism” at its worst. There is nothing profound here, just meaningless scientific assertions that tell us nothing.

  • chicagochris

    So if you hit an Atheist with these same magnetic fields, would they then believe in God? Also, if you hit an illegal immigrant with these fields, would they then go home?

  • Brandigo

    oh man!~ forget Halloween horror, liberals are scarier than anything on the planet

    • Bugnut

      liberals are scarier than anything on the planet

      Not when you look at Huckabee or Santorum. Or the Duggars [shudder].

      • Aubryj

        Yes but none of them have any power. The idiot in the white house though is scarier than all of them!

        • Bugnut

          Au contraire, they do have power. Millions of people think just like they do. And they vote.

          And Allah forbid one of these idiots actually gets elected.

          • Aubryj

            Just like liberal idiots like Hillary! You are the problem just like the far right. Don’t preach to me fool, you are just as bad as the people you insult!

          • Bugnut

            I agree about the liberal idiots who would vote for creatures like the hildebeest or Obama.

            The problem is that the crazies on the right turn off enough voters that they cannot win national elections, which empowers the leftie freak show.

          • Aubryj

            Well I would argue but you do have a point.

  • Walter_Peterson

    Magnetic lobotomy.

  • G0m3r

    So hitting a bio-computer with EM can potentially alter how it works? Color me shocked! Only the ignorant and arrogant actually think religious belief is something to be treated. What’s sad is these same people don’t see how bad that kind of thinking is and where it can lead.

  • Everett Walker

    Is this a rip off of The Onion? If not, where to liberals get all these “Scientists?”

  • Aubryj

    Oh come on, is this Onion? You people are so funny!

  • Aubryj

    I heard this cures belief in global warming too! Will this mean liberals will no longer believe Obama is God?

  • Fritz_Von_Dago

    Just imagine what this device could do in he hands of the military at Gitmo! No more Muslim’s period! on the down side, It wouldn’t work on Progressive liberal socialist pigs in the world though, you have to have more than one fully functional neuron!

    • Morris65

      Getmo? Is that the latest gumbint agency where you go to get obamaphones and other assorted “gimmedats”?-)

      • Fritz_Von_Dago

        No it is slang for the US military prison in Cuba! They can use this device when they GETMO radical Muslim Terrorist after Obama the Muslim is history!

  • caligula

    someone’s been watching too much “LOST”

  • GivesIt Thought

    “Attitudes toward God and immigrants? Are these a natural pair?”

    Yes, as they both measure empathy. People who believe in God usually hold little empathy for the “infidel”, believing wholly that they are right. Same with immigrants, those who hate them have a lack of empathy.

  • Walter Sobchak

    oh so if someone doesn’t agree with you or believes in something you don’t, then zap their brain til they do…..

    no this can’t go wrong at all…

  • Bugnut

    LOL the omnipotent Creator Of The Universe™ can be defeated by a magnet. Hilarious.

    • caligula

      you believe everything you read?

      • Bugnut

        No, I’m not religious.

        • caligula

          you just did. LOL

        • Aubryj

          Liberal – the same thing!

      • GivesIt Thought

        This is not the first time it has been proven that brain chemistry affects one’s political party. MRIs can tell you what political party you belong to by how well the empathy centers light up. Republicans have more brain activity in their reward centers than their empathy centers.

        • Bugnut

          Stop with the science. You will only confuse them.

          • GivesIt Thought

            🙂 You’re probably right. I could be confusing the small thinkers with facts.

          • caligula

            heh. full of oneself. funny.

          • Aubryj

            Says the confused liberal

          • caligula

            LOL. it’s funny you think science will confuse me. i love you so much.. LOL

        • caligula

          the studies also say that republicans tend to use real tangible data to analyze situations and come to conclusions, whereas democrats tend to rely on their feelings and ignore real data.

        • caligula

          “Republicans more strongly activate their right amygdala, associated with orienting attention to external cues. Democrats have higher activity in their left posterior insula, associated with perceptions of internal physiological states.”

          Credit: From: Darren Schreiber, Greg Fonzo, Alan N. Simmons, Christopher T. Dawes, Taru Flagan, James H. Fowler, Martin P. Paulus. Red Brain, Blue Brain: Evaluative Processes Differ in Democrats and Republicans. PLoS ONE, 2013; 8 (2): e52970 DOI: 10.1371/journal.pone.0052970

        • caligula

          and the accuracy is around 89%, not 83%

        • Jeb Hart

          Could it be that those who actually work for a living, and give of themselves, putting their own resources on the line can obtain a sense of satisfaction (reward), versus those who feel for you (empathize) and and then endeavor to throw someone else s money at the problem via community organizing to distribute entitlements and grants get a wonderful emotional response?

      • Lacktone

        It’s more believable than the bible or gods

  • GivesIt Thought

    Proof that a little shift in brain chemistry erases the delusion of God. Very interesting.

  • Robert Sheen

    Consciousness, non-locality, quantum superposition, quantum entanglement, Fibonnaci sequence, PHI golden ratio, double-slit experiment, phantom DNA, placebo effect, & the hard problem, are all scientific evidence that God does exist. But to these deadbeat intellectuals its all not quiet enough yet to convince them.

    • Bugnut

      Fascinating. Please explain how the double slit experiment proves the existence of a foreskin-hating Sky Pixie.

      This ought to be good.

      • Robert Sheen

        Well, simply put the DS experiment has revealed that the act of conscious observation has an effect on matter. That (foreskin hating sky pixie) is not seperate from anything / anyone (non-locality) yet it is in all space & time, contained in all fractal parts of the whole (superposition / Holograhic reality). DS experiment has shown as well that if you have a focused intentention (prayer, meditation) the probability of your thoughts manifesting to your own subjective perception goes up higher (Placebo Effect). Our consciousness is a small part of the whole (God) & we are together co-creators manifesting this Fractal-Holographic-Reality. Einstein said ‘Reality is an illusion, all beit a very persistant one’.. We are NOT bound by the ‘laws’ of Newtonian physics, rather we think we are inside the body but our true self (signal) comes from beyond what the human mind can ever comprehend.

    • GivesIt Thought

      Arrogant much with your nonfacts?

      • Robert Sheen

        Okay then, tell me 1 fact of your own…?

      • Robert Sheen

        You’ve asked the same question as above, read my response there..

      • Robert Sheen

        I don’t need to convince anyone what I know, rather I have faith that others will seek the truth on their own.

  • DudeAbiding

    Leave it to liberals to advocate shock therapy for people that think differently than they do.
    They’d kill us all if we didn’t have weapons to defend ourselves.

    • Lacktone

      we are working on taking those away from you

      • Unhappy Again

        Who is “we”?

    • phil

      They would like to try, but they know what the outcome would be.

      • nobody

        No need for that, we can simply wait for you to die out of old age in a few years.

        • phil

          You have the right name, dingleberry. Get lost.

          • nobody

            Oh look, another uneducated shmoe who doesn’t get it despite the use of a pretty explanatory picture…..

  • jeeves10

    Vee must have total control..vee vill not tolerate nonconformance to der Fuhrer.
    Danke,
    Adolph

  • gwing

    they also found that taking alot of exlax relieves the pressure on scientists brains.

  • caligula

    electromagnetism has been known to scramble the brain for years. you can use electromagnetism to hypnotize and coerce people to believe things. this isn’t news.

    • Jeb Hart

      The Soviet Union used the “people who believe in God are mentally ill” ( among other things that were diagnosed as a mental illness–such as wanting to speak truth,) excuse to remove those who saw the dangers of their Socialist Utopia. Right now the establishment cannot lobotomize people, so scrambling the natural chemical-electrical-chemical-electrical sequence of brain function will become a prescribed solution for non conformers. Anyone whose brain function is altered, whether through drugs , surgery, injury or unnatural electrical means really is not going to care much about anything.

  • The cure for ISLAM. The refugees must undergo this treatment before they are allowed into the the West.

    • Bytor

      Yes ironically the Muslims have a similar method to convert people to Islam. It involves threatening to cut your head off with a dull saber. For the sake of argument,. lets call this saber a “magnet”.

  • caligula

    do what makes you happy. fck the atheists who disparage religious people , and fck the religious people who disparage atheists. as long as you’re happy and not hurting anyone, other humans should keep their noses out of your business. but they won’t. right or left, democrat or republican, religious or not, humans are a bunch of self-aggrandizing_assholes who think they know more than the next guy. hahaha. funny bunch or clueless organisms.

  • bewaretheprophetwhoseeksprofit

    I recommend we treat all atheists and mind altering scientists with this on a repetitive basis until they become functioning thinking humans again.

  • phil

    Why choose those two issues to reverse people’s opinions about? How about reversing opinions about raping productive people and giving to leeches, belief in the religion of global warming, perverted adoration by white people of everything non white and hatred of their own race, perverted love of islam after 911 attacks and hatred of christianity, practice of election fraud, belief that abortion is not the killing of a human being, perverted adoration of political correctness, etc, etc. Use those magnets for a good cause.

    • Lacktone

      I didn’t realize every single muslim caused 9/11, it’s these view points by ‘christians’ that make people want to zap their beliefs away.

      • Unhappy Again

        Oh shut up. No one ever said every single Muslim caused 9/11 and neither did Phil. You’re just another self-righteous, zealot atheist who hates Christianity because you’ve been told to by your atheist overlords. But you don’t hate the religion which beheads people, throws gays off buildings, or stones to death or circumcises females, right?

        You were one of the volunteers for this study, weren’t you?

        • phil

          Great comment, but the troll knows everything you said. He just can’t help himself.

      • phil

        Your comment has nothing to do with what I said. But you really know that, don’t you, troll.

  • Alice Cheshire

    Did I miss the part where the study says one zapping causes a lifetime change? Or is the intent to continuously zap people to keep them in line?

  • Jerry Mathers

    They should make a movie about this with Scott Baio and call it “Zapped.”

    • Lacktone

      He’s got a real ‘Magnetic Personality’

  • Jerry Mathers

    Can they use this to zap people out of the urge to post pictures of their meals on Facebook?

    • Lacktone

      or the urge to use facebook at all.

  • geo

    Apparently It also makes you believe you can get “free stuff” and that you no longer need to work for a living.

  • Robert Sheen

    The historic argument whether god is real or not is not the question to ask here. Rather modern science & modern religion needs to update their ‘belief system’ to exclude, here it comes…..BELIEF! Belief is the hurdle that creates boundaries designed to never be exceeded. Both science & religions all place these mental / spiritual barriers that limit us from ever going beyond the current standard models of God / Time Space. That is exactly why we now call it theorectical physics, in order to not fall into the dogma of science. At the same time belief is what limits people of ‘faith’ from ever coming to new revelations about their own God.

    • John

      Since we know so little and so much is beyond our comprehension, belief in something greater is a necessity. Our nation is based on that belief in a greater force, above man. We trust in God since trusting in man is insane.

      • Robert Sheen

        I agree up to a point. That point is whether we should include or exclude the ‘heroes’ of the big religions, as being God manifested in human form.. I think this is a critical error faith based believers make that directly result in their own lack of a more personal God & insted trust in someone external to themselves as that savior..

  • Bob

    Briggs is a nutjob. Zapping the brain with high power magnets is the same type of science used in the 1950s when the ice pick lobotomy was all the rage.

  • itsy_bitsy

    Why does what people believe bother them so much! Are they suggesting that they use this for people who feel violent and physical hatred against those who do not believe as they do (as in Jihadi Muslims)? I doubt it! They seem obsessed with people who have no violent reactions to other peoples beliefs, while ignoring those who are the exact opposite, to the point that they are willing to kill those who believe differently (example Muslims who would kill Jews and Christians)! I haven’t seen any Muslims beheaded by Christians for their belief in Allah – have you? Let’s stop being ridiculous and ignoring the elephant standing on our feet!

    • Unhappy Again

      The liberal is like the petulant child who wants everyone to conform to their way, give in to their wants and needs, and agree with them on every issue, no matter what. The liberal scientists here have declared that if we don’t conform, they will zap our brains to “correct” us!

      Spoiled children who never grow up. Sure, let’s put them in positions of power. What could possibly go wrong?

  • geo

    Atheism is an attempt at denying evil exists. Best of luck with that.

  • Lacktone

    Just may be the single greatest discovery in all of our history!

    • Unhappy Again

      Isn’t it wonderful? I suggest you volunteer for the study. Go get your brain zapped.

  • Bytor

    Looks like the atheist Global Warming scientist frauds have a new mission. What I do know is that God can absolutely heal their brain damage with but a Word.

  • Openthreads

    In other words, they became idiots.

    • Dean Bruckner

      “Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools.” – The Apostle Paul, ~ 65 AD, letter to the church in Rome

  • joesolis

    It’s nice knowing that you could, the Big question is whether you SHOULD!

  • Paul Little

    Did they try this on Hillary already?

    • Rjack

      Yes and you can see the results every time she opens her mouth.

  • Bytor

    Yes ironically the Muslim “scientists” have a similar method to convert people to Islam. It involves threatening to cut your head off with a dull saber. For the sake of argument,. lets call this saber a “magnet”.

  • Patent Attorney

    Because a messed up brain is the normal state of man?

  • Rjack

    Are they claiming that God is an illness? They think that they have a cure, or a treatment for the God sickness. What is wrong with these scientists, what kind of minds do these people have? Is their skull a void, a vacuum, a wasted space?

  • Please begin treatment on Obama supporters; they really need help.

    • Fritzie

      I think this proves that if you damage a conservative person’s brains, you get a liberal.

  • 3rd Adam

    So religious thought is a mental disorder. However, a man that mutilates his own penis in order to become a “woman” is perfectly normal.

    • TheJeebus

      Straw Man AND False Dichotomy. Nice job.

      • Dunnyveg

        “Straw man”? “False dichotomy”?

        How so, genius?

        • Unhappy Again

          He’s been waiting all day to use those words against someone. Makes him feel superior. Apparently, last night when he found the dictionary in the prison library, he forgot to look up “analogy”.

          • Dunnyveg

            We all know about brains on drugs. Jeebus shows the brain on liberalism.

      • 3rd Adam

        You are a simpleton.

  • Jonney Quest

    I’ve worked around huge magnets (ones that require helium to cool them) and they affected nothing except my watch (ruined it). No doubt these people were susceptible to some verbal suggestion which manifested itself on the results. With this kind of result that means space travel is out for humans because the Universe is ruled by magnetic fields.

    • nobody

      There is quite a difference between large magnetic fields that affect your entire body and a highly focused field that affects only a small clumps of cells the size of a coffee bean.

  • Dunnyveg

    I’ll really be impressed if scientists can invent a cure for liberalism, although the lobotomy should seriously be considered in the most extreme cases.

    • nobody

      Not going to work, it has been tried on conservatives and they only got dumber than before, if you can imagine that.

      • Dunnyveg

        Yes, we’ve heard it all before, comrade. We Americans are as stupid and vicious as you liberals are smart and virtuous. I’m guessing you probably spit out three dollar bills every time you tell an American how wonderful you are.

        • nobody

          No, because i’m smart enough to know that dollar bills aren’t food, they should be used to get food.

          • Dunnyveg

            That’s a good start, comrade. Keep working on it. The problem with your liberal war on reality is that reality always wins in the end. The next thing you can work on is learning that three dollar bills aren’t negotiable in America.

          • nobody

            You see, that’s the difference between us liberals and you conservatives: we aren’t that dumb to have to be taught that there is no $3 bill.

  • Jeebus Creebus

    Magnets can’t change my hope that there is a white guy in the sky who controls outcomes so that I don’t have to take any responsibility.

    • Get Up Early

      The government should take our responsibility away. Who is this God that thinks he should do it? Rich white people in Washington deserve our devotion.

      • hwobstj

        What about rich black people in Washington? Are you a racist?

  • Greg Gebhardt

    “Treat” is the key word here like believing in God is a disease or something! You people need to wake up. Religion is not a sickness. If you believe this then maybe they can make gays straight again!

    • nobody

      Yes, there are actual medical neurological studies about that. Up until now they have identified the region that regulates sexual identification and some basic attempts have been done to see how it can be acted upon it. The problem is that all the studies have been done on cadavers, i never heard of a study with volunteers for that, so the research progress is very, very slow.

  • agsb

    No wonder GOD is almost non-existent in Sci-Fi space movies

  • rickmcinnis

    Well, it would have been interesting to see how it worked with atheists. And I guess the fact that the greatest horrors of the 20th century were performed by atheists? Oh, these details get in the way of activist science. Somewhere between Skinner and Lysenko … A missed question: who commissioned this and who paid for it?

    • Unhappy Again

      And who were the volunteers and what were their mental disorders to begin with? Because who, in their right mind (so to speak), would volunteer for this?

  • Barack’sGotYourBack

    This could explain why all the free obamaphones…..

  • thedude2009

    Can they do some fine tuning and help people who believe Hillary is a victim?

    • vadave

      Yep, the poor woman is just another victim worth $100 million gained by producing absolutely nothing!

  • mark abrams

    fake science by fake scientists. None of the soft “science” or economics are sciences. They are not amenable to experimentation nor are controls possible because people are unique. A white coat and a grant (usually at tax payer expense) does not a scientist make.

    • Unhappy Again

      And who volunteered for this study? Who would volunteer to have their brains scrambled by magnets?

    • nobody

      This is not a soft science, this is applied neurology, a medical speciality.

  • vinny

    Time to pull some funding, if this is what is important in science no wonder idiots believe in global warming.

    • Ed Nolan

      HAHAHA, they;ve been sticking magnets on their heads!!!!

  • LL

    So, if scientist are “shutting off” something in the brain, does that mean people who believe in God and/or non-immigration have more brain matter? Apparently, it is non-existent, or defective in others.

    • nobody

      No, it means that some of their brain matter is malfunctioning – basically the same stuff that happens with brain cancers.

  • Soop

    “Treat” belief in God? Since when is faith considered a disease? I guess when this society began celebrating and promoting deviant life-styles, unnatural marriage, and infanticide. Is there a bottom to this pit into which we’re falling?

    • Ed Nolan

      Beat me to it. Notice they say belief in God but not Allah…..

      • nobody

        If you would have studied some basic history you would have known that the word allah means god in classical arabic and the capitalized form refers to the exact same abrahamic god as yours, the one with the capital G, also known by his original name of Yahweh.

    • Neuro Mancer

      Sadly, the answer to your question is no.

    • Alice Cheshire

      Yes, and it won’t be that utopia that is being championed by the promoters. Unpleasant is an understatement. Dark Ages comes to mind.

    • nobody

      Since we have realized that the belief in an imaginary being that controls every single of your thoughts and moves is a sign of severe delusion, akin to schizophrenia.

      • Soop

        I don’t know where you get your theology, but what you describe is not God.

        • nobody

          You might want to read your mystery book, this is exactly what your god is supposed to be doing. Remember, all powerful and all knowing ?

          • Soop

            It’s called the Bible, and I have read it several times. Have you? Do you not know we all have free will which in no way contradicts God’s omniscience or omnipotence? As a Calvinist, I know God acts in salvation (read Ezekiel 36, starting about verse 24, for a detailed account of God’s work in our salvation), and calls whom He calls. But I also know our free will is what caused the fall in the first place, and causes many to ignore the clear signs of Him and His power and glory to their destruction. But no where in the Bible is His creation described as automatons, mindlessly heeding His will and command. No where. So the god you describe does not exist except in your own mind.

            Get yourself a Bible. Read it. Pray that God would open your eyes and heart to His truth.

          • nobody

            There is no free will with an all powerful and all knowing god. You could be truly free in your choices only if your god would be either incapable of foresee them (and to foresee them from the moment he supposedly created the universe) or to be incapable of preventing you from changing your choice.
            So yea, when faced whit an all powerful god we are nothing more than automatons that cannot deviate from their designed path even by the vibration of a single atom in out body. Because even the slightest deviation would make us more powerful than the god who designed our path fully knowing it in advance. And by advance i mean fully knowing absolutely everything even before the creation.
            BTW, a god that needs acts of salvation is a worthless, powerless god – if it would have been powerful it would have created the universe in such a way that all was to go exactly by his plan.
            Go back to your book and this time when you read it actually think logically about what you’re reading.

          • Soop

            God doesn’t need acts of salvation. We do. Without salvation, we are condemned. Do you not know this? He and He alone saves. We ARE powerless in this. Either we are gifted with His grace and are broken unto salvation and repentance, or we are not. It’s not our doing. You can’t save yourself. No amount of good works or deeds or charity will save you.

            Now, what we CAN do, and what many do every day, is ignore Him. That doesn’t change His will or plan at all. His will will be done, with or without your participation. That doesn’t make you more powerful than Him, any more than you were “more powerful” than your parents when you disobeyed them as a child.

            You are full of anger and antipathy against God and followers of Christ. Why do you hate the God you claim doesn’t exist? Do you equally hate the tooth fairy, unicorns, and Santa?

          • nobody

            If god would have been a proper god then his creation would have been perfect and in no need of salvation. So your god is not only nowhere near all-powerful but it’s also woefully incompetent.
            And no, if it would have had a good, godly plan it would have not been necessary to radically change it while it goes.
            Anger against something that doesn’t exist? No. Anger against the idiots that want to impose their deranged, archaic ideas all over again? You bet! Keep your cult to yourself, away from the public eye and into your private hone or shed or whatever and no one will have a beef with you ever again.

          • Soop

            First, you’re being dishonest. All your anger has been directed against God Himself, mocking Him as weak and ineffectual. Only in this reply have you directed your angst towards me.

            Second, creation was perfect. We broke it through our disobedience. It’s all in Genesis 3 and Paul does a great job summing it up in Romans.

            Third, you entered into this conversation. You intentionally replied to me, and have continued to do so. I did not seek you out in an attempt to “impose” any ideas on you. In fact, the truth is that it is you who is seeking to impose your ideas on me.

            I will pray for you, because one day you will die and stand naked before God and give an explanation why you denied the truth that was revealed. It will be a terrible day and you will have no recourse, only regret. But that is your choice. No one is forcing you.

            Will you listen (read) the gospel if I present it to you? Will you at least open your mind to the fact that you are a perishing sinner in desperate need for a Savior. Jesus lived the life you cannot live, and paid the price you cannot pay. He drank the full portion of God’s holy wrath against you and your rebellion against Him so that you might be reconciled to the Father. You need to repent – you need to let go of your prideful thinking that you don’t need God or a Savior – and fall on the finished work of Christ, trust that His suffering and death paid the price due your sin, and follow Him. That doesn’t mean living in sinless perfection. It means abandoning the sins of the world and following His teachings on morality, charity, and love. Read Romans, Galatians, Colossians…. the gospel is laid out plainly if you’ll just read it. Because we all need it.

            I’m done imposing.

    • code_monkey_steve

      Since when is faith considered a disease?

      Sep. 11, 2001

      • Soop

        There has been terrorism in the names of a variety of false gods for millennia. September 11, 2001, simply made more slumbering Americans aware of the evils of Islam.

        • Bugnut

          No True Scotsman fallacy. They weren’t real believers.

          • Soop

            Not a fallacy at all. They’re following a false god of their own fabrication and are as devout as any. They would (correctly) claim they are following the Koran to the letter by killing apostates and infidels (2:191-193).

  • Neuro Mancer

    Since the brain is little more than a chemical computer I suspect that you could erase just about anything.

    This is good news for Hillary. My guess is that if elected she’ll order this procedure for the GOP to make them forget she’s a lying sack of shi- (zzzzzzap!) er, I forgot.

    Anyway, as I was saying… Hillary is the most honest woman in America.

  • FlyingFree333

    Wow, reading the other comments, clearly this site caters to the KKKristian bigots and KKKonservative wingnuts. The utter ignorance on display here is depressing.

    • Neuro Mancer

      Interesting how you upvoted yourself to make it seem like other people agree with you.

      Haters do that a lot.

      I guess you’re either just too lazy or too dumb to create a second fake account (as liberal haters often do to upvote themselves and even have fake conversations).

      Get a life.

      • Alice Cheshire

        Seems he’s been thrown into moderation. Guess fake accounts are not cool here.

  • agentm0m

    In other words give the brain a magnetic “lobotomy” to treat those darn Christians who keep refusing to cowtow to global warming, abortion, and other issues these liberals find inconvenient.

  • cyberdove

    Can it cure homosexuality?

  • cyberdove

    FlyingFree333 is a Christophobic bigot.

    • Unhappy Again

      Apparently, he’s a coward, too, because he inactivated his account so no one can respond to his comment. Typical.

      • nobody

        No, he hasn’t inactivated his account, some good xians have flagged his reply because they don’t like reading the truth.

  • RagsOnYouSchwags

    lol, i wonder why they didn’t try to use it as a “cure” for homosexuality? trying to control speech, trying to control thought, it’s so easy to tell who the true orwellian, fascist, faces of pure evil are, true story.

  • Inorbit

    Our concept of ourselves is limited by our knowledge which at times seems very limited.

  • Get Up Early

    They should be doing it in reverse.

    • nobody

      No need for that, nature does that for free: strokes, brain cancers, Alzheimers. Why do you think most of the old folks are conservative?

  • MarvLS1

    They tried it on themselves and discovered they suddenly believed they are actual scientists!

    • nobody

      No need for that, they have the diplomas to prove it, no belief necessary.

  • Get Up Early

    Proving using less of your brain turns you into a liberal.

    • Rocketman

      Exactly!

    • Vincent J.

      Exactly the first thought I had! Thank you for saying it.

    • nobody

      No, proving that by eliminating the defective parts in a brain a person can become sane and liberal.

  • constantvigil

    It could probably “Treat” belief in Anthropogenic climate change and belief in Obama and the left…

    • hwobstj

      You mean the treatment might increase belief in those things?

  • Stumpie

    For the leftist liberals who love government, God and the belief in God is their biggest enemy. Without God, where do the serf’s rights come from, well the government of course!!

    • nobody

      Even with your god you only have the rights the government has allowed you by law to have them, so your god is pretty much worthless, as usual.

      • Stumpie

        This coming from nobody.

        Really? I can say what I want, when I want…God gave me that. I can defend my life at will..guess who provides that..oh yeah, God did.

        The government gives you nothing, unless it’s someone else’s money, which I’m certain you get plenty of. You’r intellect is as limited as your understanding of the term ‘rights’.

        • nobody

          No, the constitution gave you that; before it your ancestor had to be extremely careful of what they say and to whom. The government gives you everything (you don’t actually own anything, you lease it from the government, that’s what taxes are) and can take it away any time it wants for whatever reason it feels like.
          “You’r” intellect is as limited as your understanding of the term law.

          • Stumpie

            Wow, I have not been stunned by stupidity in a long time, yet yours reaches new levels of idiocy that I am unable to fathom.
            Do you even know the wording of the Constitution? The Constitution AFFIRMS the rights given by our Creator (God).
            You have obviously been ‘highly’ educated at some place like Berkeley. Oh, and as for the grammar/spelling error, it’s good to know that a mentally challenged person, such as yourself nobody, keeps those in check. It really assists you whilst losing the most basic of arguments.
            I am not above exposing the idiocy of your moronic comment though.

          • nobody

            Actually it only states that, without the power of the law they would simply be just that, statements – that’s why they aren’t absolute, they are limited and curtailed by laws. But if you believe that you know more about the laws than those who have studied them for decades and are qualified to discuss them then please do carry on, it’s quite a laugh seeing your antics, it’s like watching a petulant child screaming his lungs out in frustration that he doesn’t get his cookie.

          • Stumpie

            The rights of the individual are absolute, this is what is so hilarious about your inane argument.

            Let’s start with the Declaration of Independence, shall we?

            We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

            Now, as for the Constitution, it is in place to limit the powers of the government, not limit the rights of the people.
            Obviously, you have not read, nor care to read either one. The only child here is you, you got caught and all you can do distract from the facts.

            Like I said before, you lack of intellect is showing.

          • nobody

            There is nothing absolute on this planet, your so-called rights being even less likely to be one. That’s why these rights can be taken from you legally at the governments decision, like they have done so many times before – see Patriot Act. Yes, you are free to try to abolish this government, but don’t be surprised when the vast majority of the population will refuse to join you in your delusional fight.
            Sorry, your opinion is worth less than a lawyer’s fart – the only opinion that matters is that of the government’s agents and the law enforcers and interpreters, prosecutors and judges.
            Again, your opinion on that has no importance whatsoever and if you will try to live by it, against the rule of the law, you will be made to understand your mistake.
            Like i said, your delusion of power is blatantly obvious.

  • Camera3

    … this proceedure will be Class 101 at the reeducation camps …

    • too close for comfort, camera

    • nobody

      Nah, that would imply that the average cultish conservative has a brain and we all know that’s not even close to be true.

  • Sam

    No doubt the phenomena occurs as a result of mental illness caused by neurons and their interconnections being scrambled by the strong magnetic fields. Perhaps exposure to strong magnetic fields explains liberal thinking across the entire spectrum of liberalism.

    • nobody

      Nah, shutting down a bunch of malformed neurons isn’t permanent, after a short while they will return to their cultish delusion and their conservatism – there is no true cure for mental diseases like that.

  • IRightULeft

    It’s called BRAINWASHING.

    • Shootist

      hardly.

    • nobody

      Well, that’s what religions are in the end.

  • David

    So having no brain makes you an atheist? That explains liberals.

    • Bugnut

      No. Having a brain unpolluted by superstitious nonsense makes you an atheist.

      • David

        So says the brain dead liberal idiot.

        • Bugnut

          And who has an invisible friend, here?

          • David

            I’d rather have an invisible friend than be a brain dead loser liberal like you.

          • Bugnut

            Of course you would.

            Good luck.

          • Shootist

            One doesn’t have to be liberal to reject fairy tales. Sorry bub, but Yahweh Sky Father is no more real than Zeus or Odin.

          • Pole_cat

            But it does take a Leftist to INSIST that EVERYONE join in
            their disbelief or else. Personally I believe in Individual Free Will, so I am not a slave, even to my own God. It doesn’t matter how I got here, I just know, I am not going to be a slave -period.

          • Shootist

            You are indeed free to think for yourself.

    • This is fun, isn’t it?

  • TruthBeTold

    Progressives celebrate the “curing” of Christianity and freak out at the “curing” of homosexuality.

    • Bugnut

      That’s because one of those things is a dangerous delusion and the other is just people doing things with their genitals that you disapprove of.

      • Pole_cat

        That’s because one of those things is something you disapprove of, and the other is JUST something I disapprove of.

    • Shootist

      It is usually good to cure delusions. Yet if it ain’t a delusion it can’t be cured. You don’t actually believe an omnipotent Sky Father would ever allow his minions to be brain washed against their will, do you?

  • vadave

    Who’s volunteering for the, “British scientists are going to bombard your brain with very powerful magnetic waves to see if they can make you change your mind” experiment?

    • Shootist

      People volunteer for all kinds of things. And if you’re weirded out by strong magnets consider Magnetic Resonance Imaging (MRI) and Positron Emission Topography (PET) scans and how we need to insure that no harm is being done by these otherwise non-invasive imaging techniques.

  • Shootist

    Oh the devil’s in the magnet. LOL

    • No. The verse implies its the same old bovine excrement that’s been dished out for centuries. The only change is the use of technology to convince idiots of a lie.

  • Been there. Done that. It’s called Grad school. Newsflash – stable long term convictions and memories cannot be permanently erased. They grow back.

    This might be good for impulsive buying – as for example when a car dealer installs magnets in the entrance door to his new car showroom. Then again…..do you really need magnets for that?

    Walmart might want to buy into this sort of thing. A medical care giver I know claims that IQs drop twenty points when customers enter a Walmart store.

    Military recruiters would install these things. Nobody in his right mind would want to enlist in a pointless war with no personal advantages to the conflict. Then again….there are plenty of people already brainwashed enough (or poor enough) to do it anyway.

    and that’s me, hollering from the choir loft…

  • Scales7

    This is story deserves a nice Bible Verse.
    Ecclesiastes 1:9 What has been is what will be,
    and what has been done is what will be done,
    and there is nothing new under the sun.

  • Bugnut

    The omnipotent creator of the universe can be defeated by a magnet. Oops.

    • The only point to the story is the writer’s personal bias. Did you read anywhere that the magnets were applied to God’s head? Proves my point that some atheists need help with their mental processes.

      • nobody

        Of course they have been applied to your god’s head, it exists only in the believers head after all.

      • Bugnut

        You can tell me anything you want. Unfortunately for you I expect evidence to back it up.

  • Pole_cat

    “Magnets can TREAT belief in God”

    Interesting use of the word TREAT. Treat what, an illness? Same old, same old. Remember Electroshock, a TREATment where the brains circuits were scrambled with electricity to “treat” psychiatric illnesses. Then came chemicals, you could scramble the brain with LSD or even MDMA (Extacy). What about a good old hammer to the head? That could cure your belief in God as well.

    Why aren’t we finding a cure for the delusional Leftist addiction to being enslaved?

  • I’ve worked in MRi, and know something of how magnets interact with physiology. Whatever the statistical analysis these goofs might purport to show, their science is medieval. Greater magnetic field strengths and gradients are achieved in clinical MRI than could possibly be achieved by these self-designated scientists, and there has been no history or indication of deconversion. There is a mechanism for time-varying magnetic fields to effect charge motion, but it is slight, even at the very high field strengths and gradients achieved in the most advanced MRI set-ups.

  • Venril

    *IF* this was real, repeatable and possible, how is it that we could tolerate the state using such a thing on it’s citizens, in a free society? How well does it treat Statism? Of the Love of Che? Or the belief the WWF is not a scripted performance?
    IF this were possible, you can be sure it will pop up in elementary schools and be used to ‘treat’ your children into obedient drones. Brave New World progressives would kill for such a thing. I mean wholesale slaughter.

  • Ernest Mainway

    That would explain why Dumbo doesn’t allow magnets at the Black House.

  • Friedrich

    Treat? As if it is a disease? I guess if one is of the “Animal Farm” leadership and the Atheistic Evolutionist schools — this disease of a belief in “God” must be eradicated so these “self-righteous” Godless Fascists to be top dog!

  • Teachem-Twice

    This is how the LIBERAL Media works! The far left has excuses for everything. It’s painfully obvious that they’re trying to groom the ” mass herd” into believing that their leaders are not accountable for their utter failures on ILLegals and our belief systems! In and of itself this is exactly the kind of brainwashing being peddled through our education system. Protect yourselves and your kids, and that means do not wear tin foil hats.!.!

  • James Henley

    “Magnetic lobotomy” LOL

  • Charles Nash

    Can you get that? Belief in God is a condition needing “treatment” but homosexuality isn’t any longer.

  • NobodyzSpecialAnymore

    Well gee if that were true, people who had been exposed to MRI’s would certainly have decreasing belief in God. Or alternatively, the subjects were randomized gits who included numbers influenced by questions. Which seems most logical?

  • Charles Nash

    There are lots of dopes that think you can get free energy from magnets too. So maybe this should be filed under quack medicine.

  • phil

    Finally! They found a cure for Cancer!!! oh, .. wait, wait, no I read that wrong. They have, however, decided to spend time, effort and money on a cure for free conscious thought. Anyone remember Aldous Huxley’s “Brave New World”?

  • Barry Bin Inhalin

    I heard that the disease of Liberalism can be successfully treated with electro shock therapy too.

    Dr. Goebbels remains proud.

  • Charles Nash

    What seems puzzeling is that there is no hint of the required field strength (Gauss) that I could spot in the article. Wouldn’t that be important to know?

  • bob1123

    this article proves that they still cant fix stupid.

  • Julian Fries

    Maybe with magnets they can cure faggotry, liberalism and Islam.

  • Kevin Johnson

    “And there you have the real danger that follows from believing you can quantify the unquantifiable.”

    I read about a doctor with magnets that can cure you from fearing this danger.

  • so to “cure” it. they have to damage your brain…lol

  • V AMG

    Scientists? Are these the same folks that call conservatives and libertarians that support The Constitution terrorists?

  • Jeff A

    HAHAHA these guys think they can kill God with magnets! More likely causing brain damage with magnets.

  • Major kangaroo

    Can it treat Climate change illness ?

  • Jeff A

    Just how far off in never never land do you have to live in order to get to the point where you decide that belief in God is a problem let alone to that its a problem that needs to be solved by causing brain damage!

    • mdottwo

      Since this society was founded by Christians, for Christians with tolerance for other religions, Christians have, and will never lose their cultural authority in America.

      Since people like you did not found, build nor maintain this great nation; why don’t you go an live in a land where they “never ever” believed in Jesus Christ, and see which nation truly suffers from brain damage.

  • stilu

    Idiots. It doesn’t nullify the objective existence of God, as you’ll find out, the hard way, unless you repent.

    • Bugnut

      Correct. Lack of evidence nullifies the objective existence of God.

      • Erik Thompson

        Same with Climate Change.

        • Bugnut

          But there is evidence of climate change. Go read it.

          • Erik Thompson

            …from the faithful.

          • Bugnut

            No. From the science. There’s a huge difference.

          • Erik Thompson

            Not when government grants are essential to your existence.

      • David

        The evidence is all around you!

      • stilu

        On the contrary, He is a hidden God and man lives in absolute darkness as to his existence and nature, so that he has only a pinprick of light. Should he approach this light through Jesus Christ he will see, but otherwise he is in darkness and goes to darkness when he dies.

        • Bugnut

          There’s a term for something that lives in a way that is undetectable: nonexistent.

          • stilu

            God lives in another dimension. Though He has created everything, He is not part of the Creation. And there is other evidence of God. Corruption of nature and evil are proofs of God’s existence. The Biblical prophecies of the Jews are proof of God’s existence. But God coming into the world as the very image of God, true God and true Man, who died on a cross for the sins of the world is proof. It proves that you are a sinner who needs desperately to be cleansed by the pure Blood of the Lamb. You must accept the Gift of the Father.

          • Bugnut

            Sounds good. Just provide a little evidence that any of this is true and we can proceed.

  • Major kangaroo

    I can see this as becoming the standard treatment for climate change deniers, gun right advocates, conservatives and hetrosexuals . Snatching non muslims of the street for reconditioning .

  • Moral_Hazard

    I just ran a magnet over my head and I still believe in God so this study must be bogus.

    • Bugnut

      You’re gonna need a bigger magnet.

      • Erik Thompson

        And a tinfoil hat

  • Friedrich

    Treat? As if it is a disease? I guess if one is of the “Animal Farm” leadership and the Atheistic Evolutionist schools — this disease of a belief in “God” must be eradicated so these “self-righteous” Godless Fascists to be top dog!

  • MW

    Evil is alive and well and evil men will do evil things. Evil is arrogant and this story stinks of the arrogance of evil men. They won’t learn. They never do.

  • John Patten

    Finally, a cure for that pox on society known as religion

    • chickenhead

      to bad that religion is only responsible for 6% of wars while you God-haters are responsible for the rest – looks like you and your pals Stalin, Hitler, Mao are the real POX.

      • John Patten

        People of faith often claim that the crimes of Hitler, Stalin, Mao and
        Pol Pot were the inevitable product of unbelief. The problem with
        fascism and communism, however, is not that they are too critical of
        religion; the problem is that they are too much like religions. Such
        regimes are dogmatic to the core and generally give rise to personality
        cults that are indistinguishable from cults of religious hero worship.
        Auschwitz, the gulag and the killing fields were not examples of what
        happens when human beings reject religious dogma; they are examples of
        political, racial and nationalistic dogma run amok. There is no society
        in human history that ever suffered because its people became too
        reasonable. – Sam Harris

    • pugwis

      When I hear a comment like this , I wonder about the story behind the comment. A “pox” on society? It appears that you are confusing “religion” with with the distorted practice of religion by some people. If you had stated that the distorted practice of religion is a “pox”, I’d have to agree. The tenets of religions are really descriptions of how a society should be structured. When people take control and confuse those tenets, that’s when problems arise. Religion by itself is a balm and source of strength for billions of people. How can that be a disease? I’d give a great deal to be religious, but I can’t get into it. Apparently, you are in the same boat.

    • FarmboyDuke

      I go to church. I find comfort there. They built a medical clinic in Port Au Prince that treats and saves the lives of people who would otherwise die of disease and malnutrition. They run a food bank that delivers hundreds of meals to poor neighborhoods in my community. All people who go to this church give money and donate their time to carry out these charitable acts. In all the years I’ve gone to this church, they never sawed off anyone’s head or burned anyone alive in cage. They never called for death of any country. They never called for a world wide caliphate.

  • Friedrich

    The great command told by Jesus was “To love God with all your heart, soul, and mind, and love your neighbor as yourself”. Sounds evil HUH? Perhaps these scientists are in need of some God fearing education ……… the Kingdom of Heaven is only a heartbeat away.

    • Bugnut

      Jesus also told them to hate their families. Maybe they don’t want to do that.

      • Erik Thompson

        Huh?

        • Bugnut

          Luke 14:26. Good stuff.

          • truthm0ng3r

            cherry picker

            Think context

            why spread the lies?

          • chickenhead

            God-haters re to lazy to actually study the things they claim to be experts in.

          • Friedrich

            Bugnut has already made his conclusion and will do all to support his views. Answering Bugnut any further is described in Matt. 7:6
            “Do not give what is holy to the dogs; nor cast your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under their feet, and turn and tear you in pieces.”

          • chickenhead

            God-haters are less then dogs and pigs, they are weeds with no spirit or soul. they are just flesh.

          • Friedrich

            Hunks of Protoplasm waiting to become manure ….. if they continue in their rejection

          • Friedrich

            When interpreting a verse one does so within the context of the Teachings of Christ. Luke was written in Greek ….. here is the explanation within the context of the teaching;
            The Lord’s teaching throughout, in parable and in direct saying, pressed home to his followers that no home love, no earthly affection, must ever come into competition with the love of God. If home and his cause came ever into collision, home and all belonging to it must gently be put aside, and everything must be sacrificed to the cause.

          • chickenhead

            God-haters are to stupid to know how to put things in context.

      • HE also warned that a person’s greatest enemies would be in one’s own family. No doubt true where you live.

        • Friedrich

          I have a Jewish friend who decided against Christianity only because he was too afraid of “losing” his parents. That is basically what Luke 14:26 is about

      • chickenhead

        Typical libtard – to stupid to actually know what the verses he quotes actually means. Why are Libtard Christaphobic bigots always so lazy? They never do any research.

      • The Dog

        Bugnut, There are rules for interpreting literature and human speech. Jesus was drawing a contrast during that conversation. His point was that the Love for God was to be the First Love a person has. All other Loves would pale in comparison.
        Now-a-days, the Liberals are the ones pushing a hatred of one’s family And friends. The Liberals tell a person that they are no responsible for their own actions and create victims. Then the Liberal tell a person that hatred of the perpetrator is justified. Jesus said otherwise.
        You have, in essence, condemned yourself with your faulty reasoning, horrendous reading skills, and your hypocrisy.

  • 83WalnutElite

    In related news, scientists also discovered that a strong enough magnetic field can also cure a hard drive of data.

    • chickenhead

      I think Hillary the baby killer used this one on her hard drive.

  • txmarko

    The ‘treatment’ also caused irreparable loss of bowel and bladder control, as well as instilling a deep yearning to mate with zebras.

  • ReadyToGiveUp

    For everyone that doesn’t toe the AGW line.

  • lenny2012

    And if you really torture them, they would start wanting to live in North Korea.

  • Roger Bacon

    An excellent article applying critical reasoning to the original study.

  • chickenhead

    Remember the good ol’ days went being a moral God fearing person was good and homosexuality was a sickness that needed to be cured? Now Homosexuality is good and believing in God is being called a sickness that needs to be cured. YEP, SATAN IS THE GOD OF THIS WORLD. A Group of so-called Scientists (True science hasn’t existed for over 100 years now) claim that if they zap the brain with magnets, they can CURE people from their illness of a BELIEF IN GOD. Well if I’m ill then I can’t be held accountable when I kill the jackasses who come to TREAT my illness.

    • cstraley

      Pretty scary track we are on. The end must be near.

  • Erik Thompson

    Can we degauss irrational belief in AGW?

    • Bugnut

      I doubt you could round up 99% of the climate scientists to do that.

      • Erik Thompson

        Except that is a bogus number. Google it.

        • David

          Silly, liberals don’t care about facts.

  • NOYB

    Interesting that the scientists literally have to dumb you down (shut down neurons) to destroy belief in God. Explains why smarter people tend to be believers.

    • John Galt

      I bet if they point it a little to the anterior, they can reduce the belief in FOOD as well.

  • M S

    “Scientists Claim Zapping Brains with Magnets Can Treat Belief in God”

    Can it do anything to fix deranged scientists?

  • Jon’s On

    Too bad they don’t have something like that for liberals, progressives and communists. No more idiots overspending, taking rights away and trying to control everyone else’s lives. They probably do but this liberal scientist would never admit it.

    • chickenhead

      There is no cure for stupid.

      • If you think that’s stupid, you should see my uncle. He’s bent way over.

  • chickenhead

    For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools, (Romans 1:21, 22)

    • cstraley

      The only problem with this is I don’t think these jackass’s know God. Other than that it is pretty relevant.

  • The Dog

    When this “theory” is tested, I suggest they use Islamic Jihadists for test subjects.
    It is ludicrous to test this on the normal (non-violent, etc.) citizen.
    But the article seems to imply that they want to change normal citizens into flaming Liberals.

    • Joe

      Amen, good test program for Gitmo…..

      • mredward

        No, No, THEIR belief is sacred. It would be against the Geneva Convention to Change Muslim beliefs. Christians, of course are another matter.

    • cstraley

      Obviously they don’t think that belief in God is normal. Watch out.

  • Clarkward

    Mind control. They must be awfully damned proud of themselves. I’m frankly appalled.

    • chickenhead

      Mind-control is just another word for liberalism

  • vincepage

    In a related story, when one man was asked if he still believed in God after being zapped by magnets, he simply slobbered on himself. A woman, who underwent the same treatment and was then asked if she was for or against increasing the number of immigrants, stared straight ahead without blinking and said, “Uh-huh”.

  • Simon Sez

    Religion should be treated as a mental illness.

    • husseinthedestroyer

      You are correct. It is religion, a man created entity, that has distorted and changed our relationship with God our father in heaven and his son Jesus Christ.
      Man cannot serve God and mammon. Money is above all else, thus creating a mental issue in humans with the constant financial worries, while denying he who watched over and blessed this nation for more than 200 years.
      Now Democrat voter syndrome is truly a mental issue. Turning a blinds eye to the lies, the deceit, the murdering of children. Sick.

    • boca_grande

      Yes, said the man who is to lazy to think about spirituality and the answers to life. We have seen where leaders who didn’t believe have lead humanity. Hitler and Stalin. Each saw millions under them parish in there grand social experiments. Directed by the force or evil.

    • mredward

      No, that is Liberalism.

    • FarmboyDuke

      I believe God exists. God doesn’t exist in the sky or the universe, but rather at the quantum scale. When you start learning about wave/particle duality or wave function collapse and how nature only exists via direct observation, you can not draw any other conclusion.

  • Joe Boltonn

    Sounds like Britain has it’s own ONION website.

  • Joe

    Or, said another way, if we could just deploy a giant magnet in the atmosphere Al Gore’s vision can officially become a reality with a good ole fashioned national brainwashing….squash all dissidents.

  • Americaweeps

    God is real, there are two ways to find out and both last an eternity.

  • cstraley

    They used to do this with an ice pick it’s called a lobotomy.

    • FarmboyDuke

      I would prefer a full bottle in front of me over a full frontal lobotomy.

  • JerkyMiester

    Well this should streamline the “re-education” process in the internment camps. No more loudspeakers, visual aids and torture. How compassionate.

  • alpha_protagonist

    What I could cull from the piece suggests those who believe in God have a brain. No wonder magnets don’t work on athiests…

  • Dennis Brown

    I think using it on immigrants might actually help with the acceptance of immigrants in Europe….

  • boca_grande

    What is this to prove that someone can “brain wash” another. Looks to me as this just an other hit piece on Christians. How about trying it on persons who believe in Communism or those who have strong feelings for Elvis.

  • mredward

    Gee, I wonder if they can also “cure” homosexuality?

  • Jack-b-Quicker

    Little did they mention that it also lowers your IQ. So, do you see the correlation?

  • Progressives suffer from “pathological altruism” which allows them to rationalize anything because the ends are always justified by the means so it’s no wonder they would think of this kind of social engineering.
    Progressivism is the real disease infecting our Republic.
    Progressivism + Totalitarianism disguised as the soft hand of paternalism.

    • DrBobNM

      that’s liberal fascism in a nutshell.

  • Abu Nudnik

    So, creating atheists that welcome immigrants who will submit them to a theocracy only requires the destruction of brain cells. Not surprising to me!

    • kmandingo

      A democrat party construct.

  • Nic

    Wow, sounds like it causes brain damage. I guess if this group wants a bunch of drooling, non vocal, unimaginative people who just sit in a chair all day and don’t care about anything, this is the way to go.

    • DrBobNM

      after a little tweaking of the process, they will manufacture functioning zombies without an original thought in their heads. And that’s the way they like it.

  • What a Crock

    Why believing in God is a problem that needs treatment?

    • DrBobNM

      only to a movement that puts man first over God and/or Natural Law whatever you want to call it. Also is useful for letting parasites into the country (illegal immigrants) and destroy its social services.

  • B Green

    Yay! Now we can turn scientists into Christians!

  • General_Chaos

    So does this imply that part of one’s brain must be non-functional to be an atheist or pro-immigration. Not sure the “scientists” want to follow the implications of their findings.

  • AZTom

    So THAT’S how they create “progressives”! The ultimate mind and thought control!

  • GivesIt Thought

    Yet another study proving the belief in God is a matter of early programming and brain chemistry. No Easter Bunny God needed.

    • Thomas J Gassett

      If that were true … no one would have ever believed in God. Yet you spew your anti Christian screed with the certaintly of a lunatic, and with nothing but an ugly Lefty bias to back it up. Nothing new here.

    • FarmboyDuke

      When the day comes that you are laying motionless in bed as organ failure slowly ebbs away your life, you might have a change of heart. I’ve seen it happen to numerous atheists and non believers.

    • Chet Walker

      Proving? Seriously? Wow. I hope you wake up soon.

    • Greg Kells

      If you bothered to read the article and pay attention to the author dissecting the shoddy scientific method used, you would see how absurd your statement is. It’s fine to be an atheist, I happen to be one myself, but to think you are intellectually or otherwise superior because of that just shows you aren’t. Sorry, but some of the greatest philosophers, scientists, artists and musicians in history have been deeply religious. If belief in god is an intellectual shortcoming, explain St.Augustine of Hippo helping to lay the foundation for modern western philosophy, or the countless literary, musical and artistic works of faith that fill our libraries and museums.

    • The_Monk

      Without a rational engineer purposefully building the universe and life, one is left with no more an explanation than random, non-repeating, meaningless magic. Has there ever been a scientific explanation (proof) for how inanimate material achieved life? None that I am aware. Evolution is impotent until after life is introduced into the universe. So, to each his own….

  • kmandingo

    Notice how they go after belief in a higher power and accepting (Muslim) immigrants who will inevitably destroy one country after another. Who actually thought of using those two subjects as the initiative of this experiment? Follow the $ trail here and you will find…an enemy.

    • DrBobNM

      its no coincidence.

  • NotChuck

    If they can “treat” belief in God, can they also treat belief in man-made climate change, or socialism, or any of the other left-wing zealotries that infect civilization?

  • DanielShays

    What would they need to zap to cure Progressive idiocy?

    • portle44

      Its incurable.

    • William Wheeler

      Something a lot more powerful than a fridge magnet.

    • DrBobNM

      a tesla coil applied directly to the gonads.

  • Playtrombone64

    This idea is perfectly acceptable to progressives, but state that you think it’s okay for a person who has homosexual feelings to seek therapy to change themselves and progs will flip out!

  • Ernst Iliov Stavro Blofeld

    Do iPhones have magnetic fields?

    • DrBobNM

      they have both electric and magnetic fields (electro-magnetic fields) , and one of the strongest emitters of same in the mobile phone space. mobile phone companies have warnings in their manuals in very small print about this, but they pay for ‘scientific’ studies showing that the phones pose no risk.

      • William Hofmeister

        No, they don’t. Electromagnetic fields have been studied for over a hundred years with regards to ham radio. They have done extensive studies on effects on different parts of the body and at what levels of radiation and at what frequencies. Mobile phones do not emit high enough levels to have much of an effect although your eyes and your brain are two of the most sensitive organs. The levels are still too low to have any effect as they continue to find out from the studies they do. If you are worried about it use a earplug and cord.

        • DrBobNM

          totally different frequency range, and intensity close to the body is not even comparable to ham radio. the mobile phone companies realize that there is a problem that is why they put the CYA wording and warning in their literature and manuals. you might want to educate yourself.

          • Animedude5555

            You are thinking only of HF ham radio in the HF ham bands (1.8MHz to 50MHz). Actually ham radio has bands throughout the RF spectrum, from about 1.8MHz on the low end, to about 2.4GHz (2400MHz) on the high end (for most commonly transmitters). There are even specialty (usually homebrew equiepment) transmitters that can go well over 2.4GHz. There are even official FCC-permitted ham bands at frequencies well over 10GHz (again, no commercially available equipment at a reasonable price can use these, but there are homebrew units that can, or you can shell out 10s of thousands of dollars for a professionally built one). And yes, there is a ham band very near the cell phone band. It’s a 900MHz band which is only about 50MHz higher in frequency than cell phones. Handheld 900MHz ham transceivers output at most at about 5W to 10W of RF power, while cell phones operate at most at 1W of RF power.

          • DrBobNM

            thanks for that correction, was not aware of the higher frequency. If the ham sets operate in the same pulse mode as cell phones, and you hold them close to you head/gonads they will have the same probs as cell phones. What is the SAR for these devices?

          • Animedude5555

            Typical VHF/UHF handheld ham-radio transceivers operate with a maximum power somewhere 5 and 10 watts (though you can usually set it to a lower power level in the menu for setting the options on the device). They usually say to not operate them above the power level needed to communicate with the intended destination, as a safety consideration, due to RF heating effects, and to hold it about about 2 or 3 inches from your face when transmitting/talking. Keep in mind though that even 5 watts is FAR more powerful than a cell phone is. A typical cellphone will transmit at 1 watt MAXIMUM. So a cell phone’s signal 5 times weaker than a handheld VHF/UHF ham-radio transceiver. And that’s at the maximum possible output allowed by a cellphone. A cellphone doesn’t need to be very powerful to communicate with its destination. All it needs to do is establish a connection with a repeater (those cell towers all over the place are just a network of repeaters), which rebroadcast the signal at a MUCH higher power level, and are MUCH farther from you than your cell phone is. To connect to the nearest cell tower, a cell phone can usually use power levels around 0.1W (100mW). At this power level, the amount of RF heating is so small, as to not increase the temperature of nearby body tissues by even 1 degree, even if the cell phone is held directly to your ear.

            And yes, heating is the ONLY possible danger from RF energy. Radio waves are not ionizing radiation like UV or X-rays. RF energy cannot give you cancer. Increasing the temperature of any part of your body cannot give you cancer. Any damage that could occur from heat would be because the tissues were damaged by the heat itself. You have a far more dramatic increase in body temperature from even a mild flu than you get from the RF energy emitted by a cellphone. If your body is at 100degF during a mild flu, and normally its temperature is at 98.6degF, that is a 1.4degF increase in temperature. This is FAR greater temperature increase than you will get from a cell phone’s RF signal, even if you spend a full hour talking on the cell phone non-stop.

          • DrBobNM

            thanks so much, but you know tissue heating is not the only important effect, although that is largely what the pro-cell phone lobby bases their comments on. cell biological processes are affected at MUCH lower levels (have yet to be quantified, really) that that is the concern.

          • Animedude5555

            “cell biological processes are affected at MUCH lower levels (have yet to be quantified, really) that that is the concern.”

            That is NOT true. It is a known fact that radio waves are NOT ionizing radiation. Your description of low level effects would only be accurate for ionizing radiation. Whether you want to admit it or not, radio waves can’t do that stuff, specifically because they are not ionizing radiation. You are like a person who insists that planet earth is the center of the solar system, despite plenty of scientific evidence to the contrary.

          • DrBobNM

            not true. i know alot about ionizing radiation, and its an apple and oranges comparison. electrical processes affect cell function. look up the treatments that use rf and microwave radiation that do not use the process of tissue heating. ham operators use the shielding from a faraday cage (hope you do), and that is the reason the large em doses are not experienced in that population.

          • Animedude5555

            You can’t protect yourself with a faraday shield when using a handheld VHF or UHF transceiver. And that’s specifically what I’ve been talking about, as that’s the most similar example outside of cell phones that’s in the ham radio hobby, and you know it. So don’t talk about protecting yourself with a faraday shield, when you know very well that doesn’t apply to the types of ham radio I’m obviously talking about. Ham radio operators who use these handheld devices have NOT suffered more medical issues than the general population.

            As for medical uses of RF, the only legitimate medical use is for MRI scans or other similar scans. Anybody who tries to use RF as a TREATMENT, rather than part of a diagnostic procedure, is a quack. There is absolutely no reputable, peer reviewed, medical science journal that has ever had an article about benefits of using RF as a treatment for any condition.

          • DrBobNM

            just discovered that this site does not permit links in comments so you’ll have to use google:

            well, here is one from mayo
            Transurethral microwave therapy (TUMT)

            and some other discussion about non-thermal em effects, its cutting edge without real definitive experiments done.

            google: Could certain frequencies of electromagnetic waves or radiation interfere with brain function?

            to be honest, you make some very good points about ham operators. I’ll have to think a bit more.

            The faraday cage comment I later researched was primarily to protect the
            equipment from EMP attack. This is laughable, since any equipment would
            be attached to an antenna that would be tuned to at least part of the
            broadband EMP and would couple directly into the electronics, thus never work as intended.

            One thing that I have discovered is that a fairly small fraction of the
            population is electrosensitive. European countries put the percentage at
            about 10-15%. That might explain why ham operators have no side effects.

          • Animedude5555

            The term “electrosensitivity” is not any actual medical diagnosis. There is no legitimate doctor that would diagnose a patient with such. That word is not found in any medical texts that are actually used by doctors. None of the official medical diagnostic books contain that term. The very concept of “electrosensitivity” originated outside the medical community, among individuals, who for political reasons have opposed modern technology such as cellphones.

          • DrBobNM

            i used that term not in a medical context. as em emissions become more prevalent (they will) you will start hearing the word more and more. you think because current medical establishment doesn’t have it as part of their lexicon, it doesn’t exist? good luck with that. i think we are done here, you are convinced you are right, so who am i to stand in your way?

          • William Hofmeister

            No, cell phones operate in the gigihertz range of the UHF band. As far as comparable to ham radio, you are right. Cell phones operate at a much lower energy level. The FCC sets limits on ham radio operation so you don’t zap your near neighbors Cell phone produce much less radiation. As an electrical engineer and an amateur extra licensed ham radio operator I can assure you, you are one that needs to educate yourself.

          • DrBobNM

            cell phones operate in a pulsed mode where instantaneous intensities can exceed the CW values by alot. I was aware of the GHz range, not sure why you thought I believed differently. Intensities close to the body far exceed what ham radio operating under FCC regs would allow. Ever hear of SAR? why would they have that rating if what you say is true? You obviously are not an electrical engineer who does any thinking outside the box, or any original research. I’ve been involved with and performing cutting edge electromagnetic research and plasma physics for going on 35 years now. There is a reason why the cell phone manufacturers put those warnings in the manuals.

    • Jack Carter

      No, but they do have strawberry fields.

      Oh wait, I was confused with Apple records, Beatles, etc., etc.

      My bad.

  • Linda Smith

    This is an absurd reach of an article. I’m a little surprised that anyone, let alone an alleged ‘scientist’ would try to make people believe that being a Christian is something that can be cured. I wish I was near his little ridiculous tests. What an ego-maniacal fraud. Obviously he’s making a way to allow demons to enter people’s heads and everyone involved is just too uneducated to know what’s going on. Just because psychiatrists give demons a medical name does not mean it changes the original cause of the problem. All kinds of trauma open the mind to demons because of stress. There are as many articles on this and books on this subject as there are articles and books denying it. Those who are wise will follow after He who created it all and those who are prideful (like satan was) will continue to deny Him and lose everything in the end. And it just goes to show that Christians need to get out of church and into the Bible – holy spirit baptism and walk in power. After all, He created you from heaven to hear His voice that He might instruct you…so listen (Deut.4:36)

    • portle44

      “I’m a little surprised that anyone, let alone an alleged ‘scientist’
      would try to make people believe that being a Christian is something
      that can be cured.”

      Don’t be. Political hacks posing as scientists convinced a lot of Germans that being a twentieth century human being was curable.

      Obviously the political hacks are still with us, but now call themselves Progressives.

    • Veejay Drake

      Linda. You have submitted one of the most profound comments I have ever read on the Internet. Wow! I wish you would quote, however, some of those articles and books you mentioned re stress leading to demonic influence. I wonder why there are so many mentally ill homeless people in our society today; not all are mental as a result of drug abuse, but what could have stressed them out so much, especially as young as some of them are? I have not attended church for years and will never again as a result of probably 20- years of church hopping and observing nothing but one disaster after another, morally, ethically, spiritually, you name it. I will read my Bible more than I do from now on.

  • What Would Jesus Shoot?

    Everything is always political to the modern Neanderthals.

    • mredward

      Religion and immigration are NOT political to the left? Or the right for that matter.

  • Thomas J Gassett

    I imagine zapping brains with magnets can ‘treat’ a belief in anything. Maybe we should try it on GW scientist?

  • Greg Gebhardt

    Does that mean they can cure gay people and make them straight?

    Religion is not a disease!

  • Ernst Iliov Stavro Blofeld

    Magnet-trons are in microwave ranges. The first microwave range was called the Amana Radar Range, developed by the Christian sect the Amana’s. The Amana’s were a conservative Christian group similar to The Friends and The Shakers. Radars were use to shoot down the evil missiles of communists and bomb their evil armies. Microwaves are in every red blooded American Christian home. Microwaves make us God Fearing red blooded American’s fighting communism around the world. Magnetism makes you a better Christian, combined with the awesome power of RADAR, you become a super manly-Christian-communist-defeating-engine-of-goodness. Yea microwaves.

    Carry on.
    🙂

    • DrBobNM

      that was a craziest and best comment i have read today. carry on, indeed 😉

    • StopWhiningPlease

      speechless…my brain hurts just trying to process this. .

      • Ernst Iliov Stavro Blofeld

        So did mine reading the article.

  • William Wheeler

    I’d like to see how this study would have progressed had the respondents been asked the question concerning their belief in Allah and how ISIS treats their victims.

  • Pole_cat

    Muslims with a sword or Leftist with a magnet, off with their heads. Convert or die, recant or else. You will be assimilated. Because Individual Free Will IS the Great Satan.

  • Donald Campbell

    I would suggest getting Al Gore as a patient and seeing if they can reduce his belief in global warming. Or perhaps Dan Rather and his ‘accurate but fake’ news stories. Then they are on to something.

    • DrBobNM

      brian williams.

  • DrBobNM

    treat? that’s an interesting choice of words. I would say brainwash, confuse, obfuscate, for reasons profitable for the moral relativism and general decline of a civil society.

    • Michael Griffith

      You left out “program.”

      • DrBobNM

        yes, sorry.

  • John Williams

    So you’re saying there might be a cure for homosexuality?

    • FarmboyDuke

      A gay colleague walked by on those giant electromagnets that are used to pick up wrecked cars. A couple of days later he was grabbing the backsides of ladies.

    • ConcernedCitizen

      i heard a bullet zapping the brain works for that…it is a ole timey cure they don’t want you to know about..

    • Alex Fischer

      Leave it to a theist to counter an argument by taking the same argument and reversing the context. I guess if you disregard all the science supporting this argument, and assume that its just a jab at your personal beliefs, “I know you are but what am i” is the obvious response… for a three year old.

  • Chet Walker

    So zapping people a certain way makes them less discerning? Wouldn’t surprise me. All the loaded assumptions about this “study” don’t surprise me either.

  • StopWhiningPlease

    I find the fact that belief in God is seen as something that requires “treatment” more disturbing than anything.

    • Fr.Duffy Fighting 69th

      Welcome to the 21st Century. How long before believers are hauled off for “treatment” or death? Not long, I am afraid.

    • Alex Fischer

      It does require treatment. It impairs reasoning. There’s no reason to even ask the question whether or not there is a God. Except for emotional need.

      Theists don’t use evidence based reasoning. They invent fake science and vagrant semantic arguments to justify their emotional needs in retrospect, and concede to agreeing to disagree when their vagrant beliefs inevitably fail to reach a compromise. They cause conflict between themselves and other groups, and their inability to distinguish between objectively real phenomenon and their opinions justify invading other peoples lives, to be followed by accusations of violating their religious freedom when their opinions aren’t received. Sexual orientation is biology. Religion is opinion. The irony of there being a cure for religion and not homosexuality is wonderfully refreshing. God is the closest thing to evil that there is in this world. A world without god is a world where peace can have a fighting chance.

      • scot

        Liberalism is true evil and it is alive and well all over the world like a sick disease.

        • Alex Fischer

          There’s a reason why bipartisan politics divide into liberal and conservative extremes, and its because everyone has liberal and conservative tendencies. Evil doesn’t exist, its a construct invented by theists to demonize anything that threatens their fragile and baseless ideology.

          • D Guest

            So I suppose the genocides we’ve witnessed weren’t evil?

          • Alex Fischer

            What specifically about genocide is evil? Do you even know? Or do you just decide after the fact that it is evil because its offensive. Evil doesn’t describe anything about genocide, and by demonizing genocide, you remain ignorant to the actual causes of genocide. But nice attempt at trying to guilt me into conforming to your belief. You proved my point by trying to manipulate my emotional state rather than supporting your argument.

          • RIMSPOKE

            WELL FOR ONE THING , IT HURTS PEOPLE .

          • Alex Fischer

            That’s still your opinion after the fact rather than an implicitly true characteristic about genocide. Evil doesn’t exist. Its just popular opinion.

          • Dean Bruckner

            If evil doesn’t exist, put your address on the internet, leave your doors unlocked and post a 24-hour period when you’ll be gone.

          • Alex Fischer

            So you think people have to be evil to steal your things? There’s no other reason than the devil is compelling them to? Have you ever heard the devil, Dean? I know you pray to one, but have you actually been compelled to do things because of a supernatural force? Evil is just your judgement, it doesn’t explain anything about the behavior, you assign it after the fact because you feel bad, and because men of authority guilt you into believing, preying on your fear of rejection and shame, it to justify that their way is right.

            My statement still stands. There’s nothing implicitly evil about what you call evil. It doesn’t exist.

      • Ben

        Wow, Alex, you really are one disturbed individual.

        • Alex Fischer

          So instead of supporting you point with evidence, you’d rather target your competition on personal level. I think you just proved my point. You see, theist’s don’t rely on evidence based reasoning. Their whole ideology is made possible because they’re willing to put their faith in something they admit they can never know. The whole world becomes a semantic argument regardless of the objective facts. You’ve been made to believe that targeting the counter arguments emotions actually helps your argument somehow.

          In the absence of relevant facts, I can live with your assessment. It means nothing.

          • RIMSPOKE

            AS OPPOSED TO ATHEISTS WHO THINK THEY KNOW EVERYTHING ?

          • Alex Fischer

            Atheist’s can only know things that there is evidence for. That how we know that god isn’t real. Because there’s need or evidence for it.

          • RIMSPOKE

            KIND OF PROVEs MY POINT DOESN’T IT ?
            YOU CAN’T PROVE THE ORIGIN OF MATTER OR LIFE MUCH LESS IT’s CREATOR .

            THE ATHEIST GOSPEL , THE WORLD’s GREATEST FAIRY TALE .

            FIRST THERE WAS NOTHING & IT WAS FORMLESS & VOID FOR IT WAS NOTING
            BUT THE NOTHING BECAME SOMETHING & IT WAS GOOD .

            THEN THERE WAS A MIGHTY FLASH & SOMETHING BECAME EVERYTHING
            AND WENT EVERYWHERE TO FILL THE VOID .

            THEN SOME THING BECAME A LIVING THING AND THAT WAS ALSO GOOD .
            THE LIVING THING CHANGED IT’s FORM AND BECAME ALL OF LIFE AND INHABITED
            ALL THE EARTH .

            THEN SOME LIVING THINGS BECAME MAN WHO KNEW NOTHING .
            AND NOTHING BECAME EVERYTHING ONCE AGAIN IN THE MIND OF MAN .

            SORRY ALEX , THAT IS SOME MIGHTY POWERFUL FAITH YOU’VE GOT THERE .
            YOU NEED TO START LETTING EVIDENCE GUIDE YOUR BELIEFS ,
            NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND .

          • Alex Fischer

            Wow, if that isn’t a pile a pure hypocrisy. Do you think that archaic poetry proves anything? There’s plenty of evidence to prove that matter emerges according to thermodynamic principles. Look at the wave formula, it predicts all the properties of matter after hydrogen. We can even create matter in a lab from light. But even atheists can’t claim to know where matter comes from, and your god of the gaps certainly doesn’t either.

            You’re last sentence kills me. “YOU NEED TO START LETTING EVIDENCE GUIDE YOUR BELIEFS.” By the way, caps lock doesn’t help your argument, keyboard warrior. I can direct you to some physics papers about particle collisions, or some articles about Stalin or the holocaust. But where’s your evidence? Do you even know? “Leave it to a theist to counter an argument by taking the same argument and reversing the context.” That’s a quote I made earlier. You’re perfectly in-acting my argument. Your ability to reason is clearly impaired. You have not effectively addressed any claim made against you, and have only demonstrated your ability to regurgitate the same semantic garbage that’s shoved down your throat because you think that’s normal. And apologists say “respect the creeds of others” when this, a voter who has an impact the people around him, is whats being protected. The god belief is a disorder of the mind. It runs counter-intuitive to evidence based reasoning because it assumes knowledge based on nothing. And for what? To reassure the reader that the universe isn’t so big and scary? You can’t make predictions off of bible verses, no matter how much you need them to feel good about yourself. They don’t prove anything. And pretending that’s knowledge when you can build lifesaving technology based on evidence and research stifles innovation, and holds us back. It needs to be addressed as cognitive deficit, and abolished.

          • RIMSPOKE

            I DID SEEM TO GET YOUR BRAIN BUZZING .

          • Alex Fischer

            Well if your intention is to stir the pot, then I have to problem there. I won’t claim to be any different. Your arrangement however is not new. I barely have to be sober to address its fallacies. Things aren’t objectively good or bad, but people claim that they are to impart their influence. For a book to claim that something was good should be an automatic red light. Also, not knowing where matter comes from in no way proves that god coulda dun it. That’s called a god of the gaps. Basically god exists in all the things we don’t know, but as science progresses and those gaps close, god is running out of room to hide. The difference between you and me is I’ve realized that god isn’t necessary to explain anything. No need, and no evidence. Therefore I can be certain that there is no god.

          • RIMSPOKE

            NOT STIRRING THE POT .

            JUST POINTING OUT THAT YOUR WORLDVIEW
            IS BASED ON THINGS YOU CANNOT PROVE .

            I WOULD PUT IT TO YOU THAT USING THE SECOND LAW OF THERMODYNAMICS ,
            THE EXISTENCE OF MATTER & ENERGY IS PROOF ENOUGH OF A CREATOR .

            MY TROUBLE WITH YOU GUYS IS YOU PUT OTHER’S BELIEFS DOWN
            WHILE PRETENDING THAT YOUR OWN BELIEF SYSTEM ISN’T ONE .

            GOOD & BAD IS AN ENTIRELY DIFFERENT ARGUMENT .

            AS FOR TRUTH , IF YOU THINK IT ISN’T LITERAL ,
            IT IS BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT FAMILIAR WITH IT .

          • Alex Fischer

            You can’t disprove something that doesn’t exist. You can’t even prove the existence of a god, there’s no reason to ask whether one exists to begin with.

            And back to your god of the gaps argument. Valid of course until science inevitably catches up. We can make matter in a lab. It doesn’t take on omnipresent entity, just some simple math. The universe emerged from something less complex, not something more.

            And my problem with you is that it your vagrant assumptions of knowledge aren’t true, and that you’ve consistently lived up to my crude predictions. “Pretending that my believe system isn’t one?” You haven’t asked me about mine! You’re just regurgitating cliches.

            The god belief is a defense mechanism. It’s not a valid opinion. You can only respond impulsively.

            Oh and regarding truth, objectively real phenomenon of true in and of themselves, regardless of retrospect, while semantic truth is relative. Its matter before mind, not the other way around.

          • RIMSPOKE

            YOU REALLY DON’T GET IT .

            back to your god of the gaps argument. Valid of course until science inevitably catches up .

            SCIENCE CANNOT “CATCH UP” WHEN YOU ASSUME THE ANSWERS BEFORE YOU ASK
            THE QUESTIONS .

            YOUR USE OF THE WORD “INEVITABLY” IS ANOTHER WAY OF SAYING YOUR HAVE PREDETERMINED YOUR CONCLUSIONS . VERY UNSCIENTIFIC .
            I SEE SCIENCE BRINGING US CLOSER TO GOD , NOT FARTHER AWAY .

            We can make matter in a lab.
            THERE’s YOUR SOMETHING FROM NOTHING .

            The universe emerged from something less complex, not something more.
            GO BACK AND READ THE SECOND LAW , LET ME HELP YOU :
            BY THE WAY , WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE THAT ?

            Second Law of Thermodynamics:
            In any cyclic process the entropy will either increase or remain the same.

            The god belief is a defense mechanism.
            DEFENSE AGAINST WHAT ? A SAD LONELY LIFE ?

            YOU ALREADY SAID THAT YOU CANNOT DISPROVE THE EXISTENCE OF GOD
            AS THOUGH YOU ARE SURE OF WHAT YOU ARE UNSURE OF
            EVEN CHRISTOPHER HITCHENS LEFT THAT DOOR OPEN JUST A CRACK .

            SO WHO IS PREDICTING WHO HERE ?

            SEEMS LIKE MY GOSPEL OF ATHEISM HAS DEFINED YOUR POSITION PRETTY ACCURATELY . CAN’T BE A CLICH’E , IT IS THE FIRST TIME I HAVE WRITTEN IT .

          • Alex Fischer

            You cannot disprove what doesn’t exist. This doesn’t help your argument. Not all questions are valid, especially when you never looked before asking to begin with. Where’s your reason for believing in this fake deity? There isn’t one. No evidence. No reason to ask the question.

            The reason you keep falling back on this argument is because its a trick question. You assume its infallible only because you don’t provide the claim, and you don’t provide it because you don’t have it. I’ve already asserted that science has observed the emergence of matter. You’re religion has nothing. Its not even comparable.

            “In any cyclic process the entropy will either increase or remain the same” I guess this is your new bible verse, huh? Your absolute, infallible testament that cannot be disproven because some guy said it. And before you use some guy as your next platform, I know it was newton, lets not get ahead of ourselves.

            Life actively resists entropy. While it is true that the structures of planets and stars tend toward entropy and exist only because the universe began in a small volume at high temperatures and is moving towards a large volume at low temperature, all the complexity of the biospheres on the earth did not, and actively fight against entropy. We’ve observed new functions emerging in e. coli in a lab in as little as 60 generations. We can explain the emergence of life using strictly biochemical progresses, from the emergence of lipids, RNA and proteins from methyl-cyanide and hydrogen cyanide which were readily available in the early solar system and catalyzed by light. What differentiates complex structures from lifeless rock? Selective pressures. Darwin. Not god.

            The god belief is a defense mechanism. And having a specialized area in the brain that manages this perception of an “other” would imply that as well. I think people have a hard time accepting that there are things out there beyond their understanding. The god believe is a way to simplify the universe and assert certainty. As subjective individuals, we can never be absolutely certain of anything, but we must still assume certainty in order to make decisions. God is the assumption that the universe is simpler than it is so people can carry on with their lives. But now we have science, and now we know that these things that were once beyond our understand are quantifiable, because the universe is quantum, and all it take is evidence and effort.

            Anywhere we put effort into finding an explanation we find one. Since the universe obeys conservation of energy and mass, anything and EVERYTHING can be explained in relative terms. All it takes is effort.

            Science always catches up. You’re the one who isn’t asking questions, and struggles to defend your baseless ideology without even providing evidence of your claim. You don’t have one. Your question is invalid and argument is hypocritical.

          • RIMSPOKE

            FOR ME , SCIENCE LEADS US TO THE CREATOR . FOR YOU IT LEADS US AWAY .
            I AM LOOKING FOR FOR SOMETHING MORE .
            IF YOU ARE LOOKING FOR NOTHING , YOU ARE SURE TO FIND IT .

            OK , DIFFERENT QUESTION .

            SATURN HAS AN AMAZING SET OF RINGS .
            THEY ARE MADE OF BILLIONS OF ORBITING MOONLETS THAT ARE SORTED
            BY SPEED & DENSITY .

            EACH YEAR THEY ARE PELTED WITH THOUSANDS OF METEORS THAT PUNCH
            THROUGH THE RINGS AND SCATTER SOME OF THE MOONLETS BEFORE
            ENTERING THE PLANET’s ATMOSPHERE .

            THE RINGS HAVE SEEN MEASURABLE DEGRADATION IN OUR LIFETIME .
            THAT BEING SAID , HOW OLD COULD SATURN BE AND STILL HAVE IT’s
            RINGS IN THEIR CURRENT STATE ?

          • Alex Shmalex

            Saturn is four and a half billion years old, just like all the other planets in the solar system. And every orbit is unstable, even the moon moves away from the earth a quarter centimeter every year.

            SCIENCE LEADS US TO THE CREATOR . FOR YOU IT LEADS US AWAY .
            I AM LOOKING FOR FOR SOMETHING MORE .
            IF YOU ARE LOOKING FOR NOTHING , YOU ARE SURE TO FIND IT .

            Sorry man, that’s the wrong way to science. You don’t go in looking for a specific answer. Of course your journey always leads you to a fake god if that’s what your looking for. It’s called confirmation bias. And it interferes with your results. Real scientists look at the evidence, and interpret the picture the evidence lays out, rather than seeking to validate their personal beliefs.

          • RIMSPOKE

            WHY NO , I DON’T GO LOOKING FOR A SPECIFIC ANSWER ,
            THAT SEEMS TO BE YOUR JOB .

            I ONLY COMMENTED ON THE DIRECTION THAT WHAT IS KNOWN IS TAKING US .

            I FIND IT INTERESTING HOW YOU EVADED MY QUESTION .
            IF SATURN WAS FOUR &1/2 BILLION YEARS OLD , THERE WOULD BE NO
            REMAINING OBSERVABLE RINGS .

            THAT IS HOW YOUR IDEA OF SCIENCE WORKS . THROW OUT EVIDENCE
            THAT DOES NOT AGREE WITH YOUR THEORY . QUITE UNSCIENTIFIC .

            YOUR OPINION MEANS MORE TO YOU THAN FACT .
            SO MUCH SO , THAT YOU HAVE MISTAKEN IT FOR FACT = A CLOSED MIND .

            SORRY ALEX , I ONLY ASKED YOU ONE SIMPLE QUESTION & YOU FAILED .

          • Alex Shmalex

            WHY NO , I DON’T GO LOOKING FOR A SPECIFIC ANSWER
            THAT SEEMS TO BE YOUR JOB .

            “Leave it to a theist to counter an argument by taking the same argument and reversing the context.” That’s a quote you keep making me use. It’s one thing to support your claims with specific facts, its another thing to cherry pick the facts that support your claim.

            IF SATURN WAS FOUR &1/2 BILLION YEARS OLD , THERE WOULD BE NO REMAINING OBSERVABLE RINGS

            We can calculate the rate Saturn’s rings lose mass. What makes you think 4.5 billion years would be too much time? What facts are you basing that assumption on? You aren’t. Yes Saturn’s rings loose mass as debris falls into its orbit or out into space. But those rings are also immensely massive. The loss is disproportionately small. Did you know the earth is also loosing atmosphere to outer space? Ultra violet radiation that penetrates the atmosphere splits water into hydrogen and oxygen gas. The earth’s gravity can’t retain hydrogen gas so its lost into space. As a result, the earth slowly looses its supply of hydrogen over time. But the oceans aren’t going to dry up anytime soon because the amount of loss is almost negligible.

            You didn’t base that claim off of anything real, and your assumption that Saturn’s rings wouldn’t exist after 4.5 billion years is wrong. Not only that I’ve raised a number of valid points against you which you’ve disregarded and now that you’ve got your crux, one simple question, I’ve failed? I guess you just proved god then, huh?

            #theistsinanutshell

            Its not closed minded to know the facts. Stop trying to guilt your point.

      • D Guest

        Godless societies have resulted in the torture and murder of more than 100 million people. Learn your 20th century history.

        • Alex Fischer

          Oh nice, belittling my knowledge of history. Which societies specifically? I’d like to know how you actually support this argument. I hope your not referring to the holocaust btw, if so I suggest you learn your history. Stalin, Mao Zedong and Pol Pot; it was not their lack of belief in a god which drove and motivated them, but their fanatical and uncompromising political, nationalistic dogmas. Many wars have been explicitly fought in the name of religion, while none have been explicitly fought in the name of atheism.

          • RIMSPOKE

            CAN YOU DENY DARWIN’s ROLE IN THE DOCTRINE OF HITLER’s MASTER RACE ?
            THE SUBTITLE OF “THE ORIGIN OF SPECIES” WAS :

            “THE PRESERVATION OF FAVORED RACES IN THE STRUGGLE FOR LIFE”

            THE DEATH OF MILLIONS OF PEOPLE WAS JUSTIFIED BY THINKING OF THEM
            AS ANIMALS & THAT THINKING CAME DIRECTLY FROM THE THEORY OF EVOLUTION .

            NICE RELIGION YOU’VE GOT THERE .

          • Alex Fischer

            Are you honestly claiming that Darwin is somehow responsible for the holocaust? Countless killings have been made in the name of religion because theists demonize people as if their non human. And as I’ve already said, Stalin, Mao Zedong and Pol Pot; it was not their lack of belief in a god which drove and motivated them, but their fanatical and uncompromising political, nationalistic dogmas. Many wars have been explicitly fought in the name of religion, while none have been explicitly fought in the name of atheism.
            Prove me wrong

          • Dean Bruckner

            Search for “The Biology of the Second Reich” on the Discovery Institute site or You-Tube and get back to me.

          • Alex Fischer

            Get back to you on what? Do you think a few fanatics misapplying Darwin’s model somehow implicates Darwin and the theory of natural selection? We can observe natural selection in the classroom, its not wrong. Nor did Darwin claim any sort of moral or ethical superiority. I can’t believe creationists actually continue to use this argument as through its legitimate. We know evolution is a fact. A single fossil out of order in the fossil record would challenge the whole model, but no, we have millions of consecutive discoveries proving evolution to be fact, and you’re still hiding behind the holocaust to guilt your cause?

            Hitler, Stalin, Mao Zedong and Pol Pot; it was not their lack of belief in a god which drove and motivated them, but their fanatical and uncompromising political, nationalistic dogmas. Many wars have been explicitly fought in the name of religion, while none have been explicitly fought in the name of atheism. Third time I’ve posted that. Still relevant.

          • Alex Fischer

            btw, i looked up your video. There are people arguing with fundamentalists who misapply this video in the same way you are in the comments. You’ve clearly not the first person whose attempted this failed argument. Repeating it over and over again to yourself doesn’t make it true.

          • Dean Bruckner

            “Repeating it over and over again to yourself doesn’t make it true.”

            If there is no such thing as evil, how is there such a thing as “true”?

          • Alex Shmalex

            Wow, You’re an idiot. Are you really suggesting that information can’t be true or false without good or evil? Has religion warped you that much. Here’s a simple one. What’s 1 + 1? Good, or evil?

      • RIMSPOKE

        MOST FIELDS OF MODERN SCIENCE WERE FOUNDED BY A CHRISTIAN .

        • Alex Fischer

          Even if that were true, which it isn’t, science speaks for itself. The status of the discoverer in now way impacts the relevance of the discovery. But I guess when your entire faith depends on the word of some old men, the only thing that sorts out the religion from the psychobabble is hierarchy. “That person’s better than the rest, lets listen to them.” Herd mentality at its finest.

  • doug1961

    I propose zapping his brain with a bullet would cure his bigotry and idiocy.

  • ConcernedCitizen

    So essentially you have to have brain damage to no longer believe in GOD and to think having illegals flood your country is a good thing….sounds about right. Explains Liberals.

  • Alex Fischer

    Nothing is unquantifiable

    • PalaceGuard

      I wouldn’t count on that.

      • Alex Fischer

        Just because it hasn’t been quantified doesn’t mean it isn’t quantifiable. Anywhere we put effort into finding an explanation we find one. Since the universe obeys conservation of energy and mass, anything and EVERYTHING can be explained in relative terms. All it takes is effort

        • PalaceGuard

          Even missing the point is quantifiable…

          • Alex Shmalex

            Prove it by quantifying it

          • PalaceGuard

            One missed point is one missed point. And is, thereby, a singularity.

          • Alex Shmalex

            So like the god argument then? You cannot prove a god exists therefore one does not exist.

          • PalaceGuard

            Now you’re just getting silly. Adieu.

          • Alex Shmalex

            Hey, one missed point, and thereby a singularity. Or does your baseless, poetic sentiment only apply when it pleases you?

            #theistsinanutshell

  • Dunnyveg

    Nothing is real about liberalism, comrade; it is called hyperreality.

    From Wikipedia:

    In semiotics and postmodernism, hyperreality is an inability of consciousness to distinguish reality from a simulation of reality, especially in technologically advanced postmodern societies. Hyperreality is seen as a condition in which what is real and what is fiction are seamlessly blended together so that there is no clear distinction between where one ends and the other begins.[1]

    Prior to the cultural revolution of the sixties, the inability to distinguish between fact and fiction was called insanity.

  • Fr.Duffy Fighting 69th

    Glad to see the Satanists, I mean Scientists, hard at work.

    • Dean Bruckner

      Stalinists too?

  • Wilkins Micawber

    Of course this method wouldn’t work on leftists because there’s no brain there in the first place.

  • PalaceGuard

    So, then, if you, essential traumatize a portion of a presumably normally-functioning brain so that a reduced belief in God results, would you then be able to state, as a logical corollary, that all atheists are brain damaged? Don’t think that’s really gonna fly, there… (BTW, before the outraged responses begin, no, I do not believe atheists are brain damaged, although I do believe that they are wrong.)

  • Wilkins Micawber

    Mit der Dummheit kaempfen Goetter selbst vergebens

  • don2dive

    Start with the muzzies. Let’s see how that works out.

  • don2dive

    Could this cure liberals of their belief in “climate change”?

  • scot

    Use it to cure liberalism. That is a disease which ruins all it infects.

  • cyber

    Would this treatment cure Obama from believing he is an emperor???

    • don2dive

      Different treatment for that.

  • TGrade1

    Conclusion: Damaging brains with magnetic fields leads to liberal thought.

  • don2dive

    The magnet probably just get’s stuck on a lib skull.

  • oldsarge38

    Believe in God doesn’t mean your brain needs to be “treated”. Non-belief in God doesn’t mean your brain needs to be treated. Believing someone’s brain needs to be treated is a liberal democrat crap statement. Democrats (some actually believe in God) and liberal democrats especially believe that any disagreement with the liberal democrat Christian haters means you need treatment. No other opinion is accepted or will be tolerated. Just ask Nancy Pelosi, She claims to be Catholic but doesn’t believe in the religions tenants such as homosexuality is deviant, that abortion is murder of the innocent. Nancy believes that throwing a baby out a window is murder but sticking a surgeons tool into its brain is acceptable and perfectly normal if the mother “doesn’t want the problem of raising the child. She definitely is a candidate for brain treating if anyone is a candidate.

    • pintorider

      I heard it works good for depression. I guess religion makes one depressed.

      • RIMSPOKE

        THAT IS QUITE TRUE IF THE RELIGION IS ATHEISM .

        • pintorider

          Well hello again, Rimjob. I see you’re still stumpin’ for the literalists.

          • RIMSPOKE

            THE TRUTH IS A LITERAL THING .

            I SEE YOU’RE STILL STUMPIN’ FOR THE ILLITERALISTS

  • icetrout

    belief in pseudoscience climate change can be cured with repeated blows to the forehead from an aluminum baseball bat… Batter-Up!

    • RIMSPOKE

      YOU CAN’T SEEM TO CURE CLIMATE EXTREMISM WITH FACTS .
      SO MAGNETS MIGHT BE THE NEXT BEST THING .

  • hollander

    Will this work for gays? I only say this because this is ridiculous. You can treat Christians with magnets but not conversion therapy for gays. I think both will probably work equally well, NOT!

  • Michael

    Could it be used to cure jihad mentality??? Try it on a few million of them and let us know!

  • Roger Lawhorn

    You don’t need magnets for this. Obama or any other libtard or communist can take care of removing God from your life lickity split.

  • jamesben

    Can zapping the brains of “climate scientists” cure them of the wacky belief in “anthropogenic global warming?” Talk about religious-like zealotry….

    • RIMSPOKE

      CLIMATE ALWAYS HAS CHANGED .

      THE TRULY CRAZY PEOPLE ARE THE ONES WHO THINK THAT THEY CAN STOP IT .

  • josetoyou

    What a bunch of BS!

  • Sam Imam- Eli

    Well, you can treat liberalism with a frontal lobotomy as well but we aren’t doing that now are we?

  • elHombre

    Exposure to common sense for extended periods leads to the belief that the scientific community has become narcissistic and dangerous.

  • disqus_X5CE5XwQcX

    Nice. Heaven forbid we should be devout Christians. They had better not come near me with their danged magnets.

    • pintorider

      Them there magnets would make fire spittin’ commie devils out of everyone of you Christians!

      • disqus_X5CE5XwQcX

        No, because I cling to my bible and my gun-or I should say, my gun and my bible. So them critters aint gettin near me with their new fangled magnets, without findin out what its like to have a lot of lead shot into em.

    • AZfederalist

      Yeah, I liked that statement in the headline, “… cure people of the belief in God” as if that is an aberrant behavior. These people are sick and give the old Nazi’s and hard-line communists a run for their money

      • disqus_X5CE5XwQcX

        yes. This is something Dr. Mengele would have cooked up, don’t you think?

  • This is absolute wickedness on an Orwellian level.

  • Cleanthes

    Scramble anyone’s brain and you can induce them to accept any stupid position. My question: why waste time with this stuff when you can go with the time-tested lobotomy?

  • HitleryForDictator2016

    Modern day lobotomies to treat those who don’t think the right way. Will leftists ever stop thinking up new, sick ways to mutilate anyone that doesn’t agree with their wacko opinions?

    • AZfederalist

      Short answer, “Nope”, when harvesting baby body parts for fun, cars, & profit are perfectly acceptable, “re-programming” the opposition is pretty routine.

  • Estaphulous

    Sounds like Clockwork Orange. Put a magnet to the head and subject turns into an Islamo/Trotskyite imbecile.

    • AZfederalist

      It was bad enough when they were using “1984”, “Atlas Shrugged”, “Animal Farm”, and “Brave New World” as frickin’ “how-to” manuals, now they are mining Hubbard’s “Battlefield Earth” for ideas from the enemy.

  • ZZMike

    Excellent progress. Next, we can treat homosexuality.

  • sirlance

    It will be a success if it can cure liberalism. …

    • RIMSPOKE

      THAT WOULD BE THE GREATEST INVENTION IN HISTORY .

    • nobody

      Nah, for that all you need to do is a simple brainwash or a sharp blow to the head, you know, cause some severe brain damage.

  • John Campbell

    “And there you have the real danger that follows from believing you can quantify the unquantifiable.”

    Spot on assessment.

    Allow me add to it.

    Such an effort is not shown to be limited in direction either. People undergoing this alleged “treatment” can also be tomorrows national leaders, tomorrows UN, tomorrows Nazi’s, with no qualms in eliminating those who might disagree, or resist.

  • Alleged Comment

    WELL, we found the cure for the SONS OF ISHMAEL. Hallelujah!!!

    When will it be shipped to Moslem countries this instrument you talk about???

  • albert321

    Cure for liberal,doubters would be curing homosexulity!

  • Arlen Cooper

    And why would a belief in God need to be treated?

  • jjca

    What about autism?

  • Cletus B Neckbeard

    With what does the brain have to be zapped to make one believe Keyensianism is anything but communism lite, guns act on their own, and Barack Obama’s doing a good job?

  • Let me guess…these “scientists” are globull warming scientists too.

  • Megan

    How many zaps does it take to make you believe in global warming, Obamacare, SJWs, and that murdering the unborn is perfectly fine?

  • voltairebutnot

    Did anyone consider treating Muslims for their belief in Allah? No…I’m thinking the “scientists” wanted to keep their heads, thanks…
    Cowards.

  • Rambler

    You know, I’ve also heard starving the brain of oxygen for periods of time can also cause brain damage. Some people have brain damage and don’t even realize. Take the “scientists” who conducted this “study.”
    They are clearly liberal.

  • AZfederalist

    Remember back when electro-shock therapy was viewed as the most scientific and advanced treatment for aberrant behavior? Yeah, it was state of the art and “the future of psycho-therapy”. It was also used by statists and totalitarians to “re-program” dissenters. Seems like the same song, second verse.

    • RIMSPOKE

      A FRIEND OF MINE WAS RAPED BY A RELATIVE WHEN SHE WAS A YOUNG TEENAGER .
      SHE DEFENDED HERSELF WITH A KNIFE , HER UNCLE WENT TO THE HOSPITAL .
      HE SAID THE ATTACK WAS UNPROVOKED AND SHE WAS SENT TO A MENTAL INSTITUTION .

      ONE OF THE DOCTORS THERE USED SHOCK THERAPY ON HER .
      THIS SCREWED HER UP FOR THE REST OF HER LIFE . SHE COMMITTED SUICIDE IN HER MID 30’s .

      WHY WOULD THEY WANT TO GO DOWN THIS ROAD AGAIN WHEN WE ALREADY KNOW IT LEADS TO TRAGEDY ?

      • AZfederalist

        Because statists don’t learn from the past. Mother in law suffered from schizophrenia and she was subjected to that as well. Didn’t do her any good and according to my wife, it destroyed the good memories, leaving only bad.

  • cephasalpha

    Maybe if they can reverse the magnets, Evangelists can cause people to believe in God. I think we need more of that than less of it.

  • Hank Wilson

    What is wrong with you people? If you want to be a commie be a commie. Stay out of my life and beliefs. Pitiful punks.

  • UnknownRider

    First we make government handouts a magnet for those who hate our country, then we take magnets and rid the nation of the notion of God. Long Live the State!!

    • Bill Lewis

      Or better yet rid the nation of magnets!!

  • Can we have magnets for those who have a belief in welfare, illegal immigrants and the LGBT?

    • Bill Lewis

      Not magnets but lead

  • Gandalf_The_White

    BREAKING STORY: “Study Finds Certain Scientists Can be Cured of Their God Complex by Zapping Their Brains with Magnets”.

  • 1GentlemanLen1

    I can believe the substance of this story. Zapping a human brain with massive magnetic waves might reduce that human to a mouth breathing vegetable – incapable of logic and deductive reasoning – therefore becoming a Democrat…and Democrats don’t believe in God.
    Seriously, the Earth is the largest, and strongest, magnet known to man – and God made it.
    The knuckleheads who wrote this drivel piece cannot square that fact…

  • Richard Pratt

    When it comes to God, there are 4 types of Human Beings, the Non-Believers, the Atheists. The Agnostics, who are actually either atheists afraid to come out, or believers afraid to come out. Then there are the Believers, who are willing to admit that just what is experienced by us is not enough to explain Reality, but they generaly also stay in the background. The 4th kind “Believers of the 4th kind” are the LOVERS of God. Lovers of God have a deep inner feeling about something higher WITHIN THEM, not just beyond and behind the stars. From this group comes the seekers and from the seekers come the Guru’s and the Mahatma’s such as Yeshua Ben Yosef (Jesus), Siddhartha Guatama (Buddha), Guru Nanak, Saitn Kabir, Ramakrishna, Paramahansa Yogananda and the list is long. To deny that these individuals had genuine glimpses not only into the nature of God, but also into the nature of Reality….is pure one dimensional, rather accountant like thinking..(No offense to Accountants). Reality is much more than our minds can fathom and the idea of God, the concept of God, is a way of putting that wonderment and unknowing into one blazing and wonderful thought. To presume that this exalted state is from an over supply of dopamine or can be “cured” by a magnetic field, is to betray the lack of intelligence, insight, and yes, Romance…of those who want to rob the Human Race of the concept of God. Those who have had the experiences have at times, been able to transmit that experience to others, sometimes with a word, a touch, or even a Glance…called Darshan. God is not only real, but every time we think of our idea of God, we are both lifting ourselves inwardly…and lowering God to our poor, limited conceptual parameters. Maybe if we hit the lover of God in the head with a hammer, they will stop it ! My guess is that they knew ahead of time you were considering that idea. Science will not remove God, Science will finally stand in Awe before Him. Mere Ram (pron: May Rey Raam…”My God”) Peace.

  • James Bernard

    So this explains why leftists, Libs, gays and most Dems are attracted to magnets.

  • ATC250R

    More junk “science” from the left. It takes more faith to believe in global warming than God, why didn’t they try zapping that belief?

  • Texas Arcane

    Scientists discover they can simulate brain damage to the frontal cortex and amygdala with magnets to duplicate the pathology seen on CT scans of the brains of leftists. All they have do is shut down the core system of “threat/reflex” (foreseeing consequences of your own actions, the most fundamental behaviour of all living organisms) and you can get people who sound like politically correct bolshevists. This is fantastic. Now with the help of science we can shut down the most basic survival functions of the brain and governments will be free to do whatever they want whenever they want. I am sure this is what science is all about.

  • timothius

    Don’t get n the bus!

    • Bill Lewis

      Or the train..

  • GodwinsLawyer

    Donald Trump is behind it.

  • lifematters

    Heh! A liberal-making machine…

    Liberalism is an obvious mental disorder – this machine simply proves it.

  • RetiredArmyGuy

    Gee…will two larger magnets cure homosexuals and Marxist democrats?

  • herdzcatz

    Typically, “retraining” practices are used on negative habits such as smoking or drug addiction. But here Christianity is one of the two emphases. I agree with the writer: Why? With the revelation that Christians and patriots and former military are being labeled as the main threat to the US–we’re being called extremists–I’m wondering if there is any connection here. Surely this is not coincidental. So much is so wrong here….but another question is this. Will these magnets get rid of memories? Many of us have had miraculous interventions, healings, dreams that came to pass, etc. Will these magnets wipe out the memory of very real God-interventions? If not, then good luck with your “belief reduction” exercise conducted on those of us who have actually experienced the very real interventions of God.

  • Bob

    Using Briggs’ logic, then gay people can be cured.

    • RIMSPOKE

      WHO SAYS THAT THEY CAN’T ?
      MANY THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE ARE FORMER HOMOSEXUALS .

      EACH ONE HAS THEIR OWN STORY .
      IT MUST TAKE A PRETTY STRONG MAGNETIC FIELD TO WISH THEM AWAY .

  • JJ

    A massive blow to the head can cure bad memories I hear. Damage the brain and all kinds of things happen. Just wonder who the volunteers for this procedure were.

  • Canis Dirus

    Inducing logic…. as novel idea.

    • Andy

      “Inducing” — HA! I see what you did there.

      • Canis Dirus

        Wink wink

  • Billy Bowlegs

    Left leaning loons on a quest to turn the world into a moraless third world sheethole where the only God is the state and ruling class…No Thanks,i’ll opt out.

    • nobody

      I’m more afraid of guys like you, who are acting morally only because they think they are getting watched and will get punished for it.

      • felicityva

        That’s who you think God is…someone Who just sits there, watching and waiting for you to screw up so He can let you have it? God loves all of us, even you. He wants nothing more than for you to believe; believe in His love, believe in His Son’s free gift of salvation, and believe that He wants you to live with Him for all eternity. One day, you will face Him, and you will see the rest of us there. You will ask “Why didn’t you tell me?” And the only thing we will be able to do is to tell you we did.

      • Billy Bowlegs

        @Nobody,if that would worry you, then you are very very weak….Try some magnet therapy

        • nobody

          Nah, i have far more radical means for the likes of you.

          • Billy Bowlegs

            And what might those radical means be you androgynous keyboard warrior ?

          • nobody

            It’s called the government, more precisely its alphabet agencies, you should fear them with all your weak heart and your blubber.

          • Billy Bowlegs

            @ nobody,No fear whatsoever and competely laughable.Move on troll.

          • nobody

            We’ll see. You’re the one squealing around here what a brave little piggy you are and that the big bad wolf can huff and puff all he wants at your straw house.

          • Billy Bowlegs

            @ We’ll see what ? Like i said before,you are a laugable and weak keyboard warrior troll,and remember troll,talk is cheap,anybody can afford it, but not too many can spend it.

          • nobody

            Yet i don’t hear or read about you in the news, bravely defending your rights. You just like to pose online as a mighty warrior because you’re scared shitless to do it out there, in the real life.

          • Billy Bowlegs

            @ Nobody,I really got under your thin skin,and now it seems your obsessed with me,like a moth draw to a flame,and now you want to become my pen pal and communicate daily.LOL @ nobody are you a butt hurt LBGT mighty gay warrior troll ? well i’m straight ..”You just like to pose online as a mighty warrior because you’re scared shitless to do it out there, in the real life”..Not even remotely close @nobody.

          • CheeseGraterToForehead

            Projection is a funny thing,

  • Bellahhwy5

    Some of us were just to stubborn to believe in God, so let me tell you something, God’s love is so magnetic so powerful that no mere mortal can do anything but plead for mercy when God chooses to convince a person as to the reality of his being. Once touched by God, it’s no longer a matter of faith, it’s a matter of knowing. It takes a lot of ignorance to assume there is no God just because you have not had a personal experience. in the face of all the testimony, all the history, the millions of believers etc., Just sincerly ask God to convince you, He will, I guarantee it.

    • nobody

      Nah, a sharp blow to the hear will be more effective and definitely will deliver the desired results, as is every other way of causing severe brain trauma.

  • Leftshot

    Let me see if I’ve got this right–these scientists think that ‘deactivating’, in other words damaging the capability and capacity of our brains is a good thing???

    • Leftshot

      Next they’ll want to find ways to ‘deactivate’ the logic functions in our brains so we don’t ask questions like this.

      • seenbetterdaze

        That’s the Idea! SHEEP!

    • nobody

      Yes, when that portion of the brain is defective.

      • pmxpilot

        Are you seriously thinking that believe in God is a defect of the brain? Isn’t that like saying that Good is Bad??

        • nobody

          Well, duh. I understand why you would believe that, you take Bad as Good every single day, it’s one of the side effects of this mental disease.

  • owlpellets

    Maybe they should reprogram gays instead..

    • nobody

      That’s in the works, don’t you worry about it.

  • Leftshot

    Ah, don’t you think the right thing to do is to look for ways to activate or increase the capacity of our brains, instead of trying to turn them off?

    • nobody

      Not when that part of the brain is malfunctioning, like a tumour.

  • C. Adkins

    – they’re already doing this with Common Core.

  • ChicagoThunder1

    So they just figured out that our brain is a type of magnetic media that can be wiped like video tape. It also means that it can also be programed with magnetics too. Yes they are fooling with that too!

  • silverfawn

    “Cure” belief in God? No thanks. How about cure these scientists of the mistaken notion that brain damage is a good- and acceptable- way to influence people’s opinions on ANYTHING?

    • nobody

      Well, we don’t know yet of any other effective treatment for severe mental delusions.

      • CheeseGraterToForehead

        Atheism is dying out worldwide due to the failing logic behind it.

        If the big bang happened, what cause have caused to to be nothing and then everything?

        If it did not, how could all matter simply “be”?

        You are the immature one.

    • seenbetterdaze

      Maybe the mucky mucks are Jealous of God! If they could get rid of God, then maybe the peons would begin to Worship their Dear Leader! Like the Egyptians used to Worship Pharoah!

  • Grovonite

    Reminds me of the great older “treatments,” which served equally well to erase parts of the brain: lobotomies and shock treatment. Sure, magnets, why not? I mean, if you’re not against physically altering someone’s brain to get them to think (or stop thinking) whatever you feel like they should or should not be thinking, why the heck not?

    I mean, we may not be our brother’s keeper, but we might yet can be the keeper of our brother’s mind, right? [In case anyone missed it, I think that this magnet crap is horrible… it’s like something the Nazis would have done, seriously.]

    • seenbetterdaze

      And remember this….IF IT CAN BE DONE….IT WILL BE DONE! Magnets all over the place and people never notice! Wait and see how fast Western Civilization changes its mind about being Invaded by the M. Eastern ISIS Caliphate!

  • TXbornTXbred

    Joseph Goebbels must have had a lot of offspring…

    • nobody

      Of course, just look at the US government and its actions in the last 75 years.

      • 00devon

        Yes just look at the actions of the USA….

        Those actions that kept you from having to speak German and goose step between your mandatory educational courses.

        • nobody

          Actually it wasn’t the US government the one that did that, it was the USSR. But you are just an uneducated hick, history is a filthy word to the likes of your

          • 00devon

            You should read something other than what your FSB handlers tell you to…..

            Africa, Italy, Switzerland, France, Germany……. all the German forces in these locations were defeated by U.S. forces with Russia providing around 3.5% of the forces.

            Russia’s biggest help to the war was the delaying action in Western Russia….

            You slap-dash communists always want to revise history.

          • nobody

            You might want to check on on any military history site the amount of troops and resources the Wehrmacht has deployed on all these fronts and compare that to the numbers deployed on the eastern front, you’ll be quite surprised to discover they are pretty much negligible for the most of them and come near 15% of them on only one single, solitary occasion, during the Battle of the Bulge. Even if you put together all the Axis forces on all fronts that the US army faced directly in battle, you don’t even get close to a third of what the russians faced.
            I know, history is kinda nasty with when faced with jingoistic propaganda, it always wipes the floor with it.

  • d33pth0u9ht

    When did a belief in God become a disease that needs to be cured? Wow… the thought process needed to even go down this path is shocking! This gives us all an insight into the threat that liberalism poses. It is not just about politics, it goes much deeper than that.

    • nobody

      Since we have become educated enough to realize that adults that have imaginary friends are coocoo for cocoa puffs.

      • LynxNews

        Being wise in your own eyes is a wonderful thing.

        • nobody

          Being wise in the eyes of other educated persons is much, much better.

          • LynxNews

            So you’re so insecure that you need someone else to justify what you believe, shows you have no balls LOL.

          • nobody

            No, i just know that there are other people out there that are smarter than me, i know that i’m not in possession of the absolute truth because i read it in a book written by madmen and barely literate goat herders 2000 years ago. But i know you won’t understand this, education and rational thinking are like insults to you.

          • LynxNews

            Once again, back to your need to justify yourself via the supposed wisdom of your own eyes. You’re so weak that you cannot merely stand on your own without a desire to insult others who disagree with you. For all you know I could be an atheist. But go and find your mental guru at any local university, they will mislead you just like the leaders of most churches. They will tell you what to think in either case and that is apparently what you desire.

          • nobody

            So you know better than anyone, that’s what you’re implying here, right? And you want me to believe you’re not a religiotard? Hah!

          • 00devon

            I thought it was wrong to make fun of people with disabilities….

            Like adding “tard” to something.

            Kind of a do as I say you should, not as I do Liberal.

          • Johndoe

            Don’t give pearls to swine, ‘nobody’ is the worst kind of militant atheist troll and not worth the time, brother.

          • Johndoe

            Silly militant atheist trolls are everywhere…How sad.

          • Johndoe

            Silly militant atheist ‘nobody’ blocked me from responding to him…Here is my response to your trolling comments.

            It is so sad to see all of you always online whining and screaming and yelling and trolling, when you think you only live once for all of eternity. You don’t believe in GOD, but you waste your few seconds of existence trolling anything to do with GOD.

            I have a theory why you do what you do – GOD knows your wicked heart and has hardened it to the point where you spend all your time yelling at him.

            Don’t bother typing back, I won’t be around to respond. Can’t give pearls to swine.

          • nobody

            See, this is where you differ from sane persons like me: you still have an imaginary friend at your advanced age, a clear sign of a severely delusional mind.
            Example – you aren’t even capable of putting a logical argument: why would a god that wants me to embrace me would harden my mind against that instead of opening it to the ”truth” ? That’s completely stupid, only a cretin would believe such ridiculous thing.
            BTW goat pellets aren’t pearls.

          • MRM_The_First

            Very, very ignorant comment by someone who thinks themselves intelligent

          • nobody

            By Cthulhu’s sake, you can’t be real, no one is that dumb!

          • MRM_The_First

            That’s the stupidest comment I have seen so far today.

          • nobody

            Yep, you are that dumb, may Cthulhu eat you first.

          • TommyD6of11

            Rather depends on how the “other educated persons” were educated, doesn’t.

            The NAZIS were highly educated, even brilliant. They were also evil.

          • nobody

            Not all people are brainwashed enough to buy this, you know.

      • jamesrav

        some of these people are going to need the big magnets

        • nobody

          Nope, those people are beyond help. Remember, there is no cure for most of the mental diseases, only treatments to mitigate somewhat their side effects.

      • miwingman2

        When you come to get me for my magnet treatment I’m going to have a surprise for you. We’ll see how smart you are.

        • nobody

          Nah, you won’t be on the treatment list, you don’t have enough brain matter left for the treatment to work. Besides, you’re not worth the effort and funds to treat you, it’s a lot cheaper and easier to just wait for your natural death – you’re already circling the drain anyway.

        • TommyD6of11

          How apt that lead cannot be magnetized.

      • d33pth0u9ht

        Education (science) tells us that the purpose of intercourse is reproduction. By your logic, homosexuals are, to use your brilliant word, “coocoo” and they should be “cured”.

        Education (history) tells us that capitalism results in higher quality of life and greater societal productivity, and socialism results in a lower quality of life and less productivity. So all liberals who hate capitalism, by your logic, are “coocoo” and should be “cured”.

        Hitler felt that the Jews were a disease that should be “cured” and we know where that led.

        Your thought process is dangerous and you should reconsider your position. By your way of thinking, any group that declares another group “coocoo” can do terrible things to that other group in the name of what is “just and right”.

      • TommyD6of11

        So you would agree that all those who believe in Mother Earth are nut jobs? Including Al Gorical?

        • nobody

          You see, that’s the difference between us and you religiotards: we know that our godly figure/Mother Earth if a figure of speech, completely fictional.

  • SantaClaus

    That’s okay, scientists. God already know my soul and loves me, regardless of what you do to my body. It’s a lot like killing my body. It doesn’t count and is not important.

    • pintorider

      That’s what give us the license to kill non-believers! The body doesn’t matter, human life doesn’t matter it’s the soul that’s important. When we kill the enemy we are only giving the devil his due and easing the pagan into his everlasting torment in a nice way…

      • TommyD6of11

        You sound like a Muslim extremists following exactly what Mohammed instructed.

        Christians, on the other hand, were instructed to love thy enemy and that all people are God’s children. Christian’s use of force is struck ly governed by the conceprs jus bellus (just war). Forcing people to believe in Christ is not justified but condemned. The opposite is taught by Mohammed.

  • 1stAfterburner

    What non-sense,..so…I can see it now,..headlines,..”Islamic Terrorists Mysteriously Quit Their Jehad and went Home”…..Strange Magnets found where the U.S. Drones had reportedly attacked the night before the terrorist quit their jehad and went home!
    This crapola pseudo-news belongs in the back pages of the National Inquirer!

    • pintorider

      Didn’t that, or something like that happen at the very beginning of the first Gulf war?

  • Charybdis69

    Yeah, and full-frontal lobotomy can “cure” pretty much every kind of behavior disorder.

  • ekairyn

    Much the same way ‘misery loves company’, the damned want all to join in.

  • From. Dan Hesko

    I think they were trying that in the gulags in the Siberia.
    Just because someone wears a white lab coat and has a university grant, dose not make them any less wicked.
    Perhaps they can treat people who believe in evolution . Now that would be something.

  • jzj01

    ROFL,science? really?

    • Jimmy Smith

      Just like race science its origins is from the jews

  • L Kaz

    “Treat” belief in God? It is something that needs treating? Well, in reality true belief in the Creator-God is a heart issue, not a head issue. Shall we zap the heart with magnets too?

  • Ruckweiler

    These aethists are hilarious. Exorcism by magnet? Too, too funny.

  • seenbetterdaze

    Surprised that some Gov. decided they needed to change their peons’ belief system? hmm…How do we get the peons to agree with the One World Gov’mnt? Let’s get some progressive scientist to figure out how to get the tax payers to agree to give up their freedom to think and believe what ever they want? Hey we could stop them being angry over our planned Open Borders to all the third worlders! Get them used to lower standards of living and quit fighting over Religion! It might even work on the Mus. Terrorists! OK…Let’s DO IT!

  • Vitt

    So basically they have figured out a weird form of brainwashing through zapping your brain. “Believe what we tell you to the way we tell you to!”

    Some really sick scientists. I’m sure there’s actually some positive medical uses for this but no, it’s to screw with people.

    It’s also a pretty offensive headline really. To “treat” belief in God? Seriously? It isn’t a mental illness but they sure word it that way. I don’t “believe” there’s a creator, I KNOW there is one.

    And no, I’m not going to bother explaining why lol. It would take all f’in day.

    • pintorider

      So the tin foil hatters were right all along…

      • no1unohere

        Interesting that you have virtually no upvotes. That means no one agrees with you. Or do I have to spell it out for you about that too?

        • pintorider

          blowme

          • lovebegetslove

            You need the magnet treatment

  • seenbetterdaze

    Sounds like some of our dear leaders want to go back to the days of being Caesar or Pharoah! To Declare Themselves a god! Force all to bow down and worship him or her!

  • Eric Meckes

    This is the result of America shutting down and getting rid of Insane Asylums, thats why we have all these nutz out there killing people and that’s why we have the far-left winning campaigns. These loonz used to be put away but after the liberals fought to end Insane Asylums the loonz ended up in our population. Kind of like a Woman throwing her baby daughter out of a 7th story window, and now it’s all out fault. NUTTY STUFF

    • Texas Arcane

      The biggest victory of the left has involved redefining severe mental illness as simply a lifestyle. They dodged lobotomies this way and entered the mainstream.

  • MRM_The_First

    So, they zap a persons brain, alter same cells and make a person stupid. Sounds like they are making democrats.

  • George

    Another bull s story. All it does is kill the brain like a lobotomy. That is NOT treatment, that is removing parts of the brain that control many other aspects of our lives, not just beliefs in religion. Just another bs story to rile people up.

    • pintorider

      You’ve spent too much time under the magnets. I can barely understand your confused writing style.

      • George

        Would you like me to type slower for you?

        • pintorider

          Sure, type slower if that will help you collate your thoughts and express them in a manner which can be understood.

          • George

            Which part(s) are you confused about? I will attempt to clarify those points just for you.

          • pintorider

            “kills the brain.” Proof? Evidence?

            “removes part of the brain” How so? Where does the article state that? How do you know this?

            “rile up the people.” Proof?

            That’s all the time I have for you.

          • lovebegetslove

            Why so hostile? Proof? Evidence? Prove that this procedure ISN’T killing off brain cells or regions of the brain. Why not magnetize the area of the brain on individuals who are intolerant of people of faith? A double-blind study.

  • Loupdegarre

    This is an extension of Stanley Gottlieb’s MK-ULTRA research for a drug to brainwash a person and turn them into a Manchurian Candidate. The initial research focused on LSD and involved Dr. Timothy Leary, who worked for the CIA, Aldous Huxley, Ken Kesey, Jack Kerouac and Owsley Stanley all under the watchful eye of Allen Dulles and financed by Maurice Strong and the Rockefellers. LSD was too unreliable but Leary and Huxley loosed the drug on the public through the Beat Generation led by Kerouac and Kesey. However, MK-Ultra continued and now they have Trans Cranial Magnetic Stimulation, which cannot only make you forget about God but which also may make you shoot your mother and a room full of school children with an AR-15. This technology has been weaponised for DARPA by Boston Scientific which is owned by Google. It has been place in soldiers helmets to “monitor” their experience. “Mama don’t let your babies grow up to be Cyborgs”.

    • pintorider

      That’s pretty interesting. You should write a book.

  • nolcon

    I feel sorry for Mr. Briggs and this errant thought process. Belief in God and Jesus Christ has brought me and my family great joy and inner peace. We know God works because we pray and thing happen. This story sounds like another liberal Democrat fish tale.

    • Snarflerator

      You didn’t read the story did you? Briggs is on your side ya dolt. Somebody bring out the magnets, we’ve got a live one!

      • cyber

        you need a zap, moron!

        • pintorider

          I’ll take one!

          • cyber

            you have to have a brain to get zapped. sorry. you are out of luck!

  • Meme Thompson

    I guess my original post which has been “Pending” for the last 12 hrs will never see the light of day.

    • TommyD6of11

      Censorship is ugly

  • Meme Thompson

    “Scientists Claim Zapping Brains with Magnets Can Correct L,G,B,&T tendencies” wonder what would happen to the very same scientist if this were the basis of their research.

    • Texas Arcane

      Last paper they would ever publish and it would be retracted after they ended up sweeping floors for a living.

  • ah more liberal lunacy…if you’d like to not believe in Christ or God, go ahead, but why do you find it necessary to stop others from believing. Oh I forgot, liberals think they know best about everything and that they have a moral and cerebral obligation to control everyone. Liberalism is truly a mental disorder.

    • Pozessed

      I think its worse that people like yourself are turning words that relate to liberty (freedom) into insults. Your practically insisting people should shun liberty in favor of bigoted conformation.

      • cyber

        jackassperson! you need a zap…a big zap in your rear!

        • Pozessed

          The first to resort to insults usually infers a fallible argument.

      • Anthony Zarrella

        Liberalism (particularly the modern variety, more properly known as leftism) is note even remotely equivalent to liberty. I’m not saying (at least not here and now) that it’s incompatible with liberty (that’s an argument for another time), but please don’t dive headlong in to the etymological fallacy of assuming that because two words have the same root, they are the same concept.

        People opposed to libertarians aren’t against liberty, are they? People opposed to conservatism aren’t against conservation. People opposed to communism aren’t against community. People opposed to socialism aren’t against society. People opposed to fascism aren’t irrationally bigoted against axes bound with bundles of sticks.

        • Pozessed

          liberty, liberate, and liberal should all correlate with one another. Libertarian, liberalism, same correlation. The problem with part of our language and peoples thought processes is a lack of consistency. How is it sensible to not correlate words that appear to relate to one another?

          • Anthony Zarrella

            Perhaps in a perfectly rational constructed language, they should be related terms – I don’t particularly disagree. In a purely etymological sense, they even are related.

            But that doesn’t mean they actually have similar meanings.

            In practice, a “liberal” (in America, at least) is one who supports greater government oversight of all levels of commerce (i.e. less economic liberty), greater government mandates as to how one may live out one’s religious convictions (i.e. less religious liberty), higher taxes (i.e. less fiscal liberty), more dependence on government and a formally-equal playing field rather than merit-based success (i.e. less personal and societal liberty)… but free access to contraception and abortion (i.e. hooray for sexual liberty!).

            I suppose libertarians could make a stronger argument as to being “pro-liberty”, but only if you conflate “liberty” with “license” (i.e. the right to do whatever you want with as few strictures as are practically possible). This would be at odds with most or all historical concepts of liberty.

            I’m a conservative because I want to conserve all the worthwhile virtues of ages past, and not blithely discard them to be “on the right side of history” – or rather, because I don’t always believe that the side of history that happens to be ahead of us is necessarily the “right” side.

            I’m opposed to “liberalism” precisely because I’m not opposed to liberty, just as I’m opposed to “racism” precisely because I’m not opposed to other races.

    • Texas Arcane

      No, it is literally a hole in the head. A CT scan of the leftist reveals a black void in the middle of the brain where the amygdala should go on a healthy person. Remember, less brain is NEVER better than more brain.

  • Eric Ross

    What scientists? Where? At my southern baptist church, my preacher says to embrace the immigrants with open arms, that traitor! Still think it’s the Christians who are against immigrants? I think it’s the real taxpayers who live in this country! Zap the taxpayer’s brains so they become the zombies you want to continue to pay the gob’mint. Welfare-ers aren’t taxpayers. Can anyone add two and two here?

    And to McDonald’s who says your days are numbered and wouldn’t let me post there..
    You opened way too many stores, littering America with your ugly yellow and red arches, If you plow down some of those stores and turn them back into pasture, you can recoup enough of your costs for continued survival.

    Thank you for your consideration.

    • pintorider

      With the price of hay these days, I think you’re on to something…

  • Scott D

    Wow what a danger to humanity mechanical brainwashing of humanity. This should allow scientist to manipulate humanity to become what they want them to be. Wait, wasn’t Adolph Hitler in the same business? Scientist are saying by messing with physical functions of the rain they can block free will and that does not prove you have a fully functional brain or that they actually changed what the soul contemplates. If the brain is nothing more than the antenna for the soul/body connection all they have done is disrupt the thoughts..

    • Alex Fischer

      On the contrary, it could cure millions who are actively being manipulated by god worshiping cults like Christianity. And this wouldn’t block free will. It would free it. By the way, there’s no such thing as a soul. By targeting the insular cortex using magnetic stimulation therapy, a number of teams have been able to stimulate and even modulate the sensation of an “other” like turning a dial on a radio. But this delusion of an “other” doesn’t contribute to any other function in the brain.

      • TommyD6of11

        Perhaps, Alex, TMS could even be used to cure you … of your bizarre hatred of all those who believe in Christianity.

        BTW – Just to be clear, the TMS fans are only seeking to “cure” those “fools” who believe is the Christian God especially those same Christmas who are “xenophobic” anti Muslim immigration. Otherwise, the TMS fans would be demanding that TMS also be used to cure incoming Muslin of their god belief, thus simultaneously eliminating the basis of those opposed to their country being inundated with Islamic hoards. Yet, they dare not suggest that TMS cure the Mohammedins. No sense in losing one’s head.

        • pintorider

          Criticism doesn’t imply hatred. I will admit however, I am starting to hate religionists of all stripes.

        • Alex Fischer

          Religion is an opinion, its up for debate. Besides, I’m not actually implying that we should use such a device to cure religion, although the fact that we could is entertaining enough. Evidence based reasoning is all you need to counter a baseless ideology.

          • Gen. Chang

            Ya,please remember those words when you stand ,or, I mean kneel, before God on judgement day.

          • Alex Shmalex

            Keep saying that with your fake sense of moral superiority. When you die and see nothing but a black void, No one will be smiling.

          • Alex Shmalex

            Besides, if there were a cosmic dictator, I would still spit in his face for forcing his half baked mythology down his peoples throats. He’d clearly be too dumb to be an actual creator if that’s the only dribble he could come up with.

      • beyond partisan

        So you would basically give Christians BRAIN DAMAGE to remove their beliefs? Did it ever occur to you that their brains are perfectly healthy and fine, and that maybe YOUR brain has the deficiency in that it cannot perceive or sense the supernatural? Maybe you are the one who needs his brain magnetized!

        • Gen. Chang

          Agreed,and furthermore, the ideology of leftards like Alex,ie. socialism/communism always leads to re-education camps. Or genocide like Hitler and Stalin among many dictators are,were guilty of !

          • Alex Shmalex

            So I’m a communist now? Well I disagree with you, and if disagreeing with a christian makes me “Evil,” and apparently communism is also “Evil,” then I guess by christian logic, I’m a communist! HAHA
            Theist logic in a nutshell. All the negative connotations belong together. HAHA

        • Alex Shmalex

          If it exists, it can be measured. If it can’t be measured, it doesn’t exist.

          “Did it ever occur to you that their brains are perfectly healthy and fine.” Based on what? You didn’t propose anything. Oh I get it, you’re proving my point again. You’re insinuating I’m wrong but you didn’t actually support that statement with evidence. you’re just insinuating a negative connotation. Well, I guess that proves your argument. cough. *sarcasm* *incase you didn’t get that.* cough. #thiestsinanutshell

          • Texas Arcane

            A million years of evolutionary adaptation where those with strongest religious faiths have higher survival rates again … and again … and again. Do you even know how high the suicide rates are for atheists? Looks like you are wise in your own sight. Nobody else’s.

          • Alex Shmalex

            By that misapplied logic, you still lose. Athiesm is on the rise globally, while church attendance is dropping like a rock. Face it, religion is already dying.

          • Anthony Zarrella

            If it exists, it can be measured. If it can’t be measured, it doesn’t exist.

            Really? Scientism? I’ve encountered many posters who implicitly support that old canard, but none who flatly admit it.

            Based on what empirical evidence can you prove that empirical evidence is the only ground for truth? Give me a measurement, within three degrees of precision, of the truth of the inductive method (the foundation of all science and empiricism) – and tell me what the basic unit of truth is, while you’re at it.

            What repeatable test would you conduct to determine whether Julius Caesar ever ruled Rome, and in what units would the data be quantified? Do you have a wife? Siblings? Parents? Measure out your love for them. Do you believe anything is right or wrong? How about you aliquot for me three units of justice, then admix an equal quantity of beauty?

            Materialism is one thing – I disagree, but it’s at least rational. Scientism is simply and self-evidently fallacious.

            “Did it ever occur to you that their brains are perfectly healthy and fine.” Based on what? You didn’t propose anything.

            Neither did you. You assert, on no evidence except your own smug superiority, that religious belief is a mental disease (oh, sure, you mention magnets and “others”, but you make nothing but a sidelong implication that that has any concrete relation to religion). By what justification can you be warranted in the conclusion that the unbelieving mind is the healthy one, and that the believing mind is sick?

            Based solely on the evidence at hand, it could be equally true that this magnetic induction induces a particular dysfunction in healthy brains, and that the reason atheists perceive there to be a lack of any evidence for God is that your brains lack some critical functionality necessary to perceive such evidence.

            Or, far more likely, it could mean nothing except that science can monkey with mental perception, and that neither believers nor atheists are mentally ill, but merely have mutually exclusive views of the truth, each supported by premises that the other side rejects.

          • Alex Shmalex

            Scientism? That’s a new term for me, but your implied connotation doesn’t dissuade me or discredit the valid points I’ve made. Empirical evidence is the initial grounds for truth, because objectively real phenomenon are objectively true regardless of how we perceive them. The units would be atoms. Semantic phenomenon, like social infrastructure, are corollary to objectively real phenomenon. AKA social infrastructure is real because its populated and maintained by objectively real people, its structure is dependent on the already complex structures of real people, and not because it’s objectively real on its own. Semantic information is relative. On that note, I do advocate moral relativism, which I assume would be your next point. Justice is entirely defined by the group and is 100% circumstantial. Although I’m not discrediting the necessity for morality in society, just that it is entirely relative. On that note, questions regarding the objective truth relating to justice and beauty are willingly ignorant of the immense complexity of the sciences that would be required to calculate these “units;” ie molecular biology, brain chemistry and topography, sciences we have not fully quantified. But lacking the capacity to fully explain a phenomenon does not imply that the phenomenon is unexplainable.

            The universe is 100% quantum, and therefore 100% quantifiable not because I have absolute certainty, but because I assume certainty based on simple, reproducible quantum mechanical principles. Like most theists, I assume you’re going to take the semantic approach to this conflict. How can one know? The answer is simple. One can’t. All subjective phenomenon are implicitly biased. As a result no one thing can be 100% certain from any subjective perspective, but certainty must still be assumed to make decisions. Not only that, assuming certainty given the appropriate information proves fruitful, and therefore there is an evolutionary pressure to assume certainty. Right or wrong has nothing to do with it.

            We can prove that Julius Caesar ruled during a certain time frame because of the artifacts that were left behind. Whether or not Julius Caesar was in fact Julius Caesar however is dependent on semantic information, the knowledge at the time that he was in fact Julius Caesar, which was passed down through generations. This “truth” however is not equal to truths regarding the objectively real components of an atom, or even the god question. The relevance of whether or not Julius Caesar was Julius Caesar by blood or in fact an impostor makes no difference in the everyday function of the world, whereby a difference in the understanding of how the atom works could have huge implications in the modern world, because the atom is objectively real.

            “You didn’t propose anything,”
            “Neither did you.”

            That’s a valid point. A mistake I made purposefully, believe it or not. My point in making that statement was in fact that he would not have made that point. God is not real. I can have certainty in that statement because no valid claim has been presented, and because there’s simply no evidence for it. Everything that exists in the universe we know exists because it interacts with something else. This is due to conservation of energy and mass. If it doesn’t interact there’s no way of us knowing it exists to begin with. And if it has an impact on us, then it interacts, and that interaction is the means by which we can quantify the phenomenon.

            Back to my point. God is not real. And when theists base their assumptions on what is clearly their emotional needs and not objectively real phenomenon, or even semantic phenomenon with an objectively real basis, their opinions, responses, and behaviors become biased in context to something that’s not reflected in the universe. Frankly I’m not saying this is wrong, and honestly I’m not actually condoning “curing” religion, although I do think its a deficit of the rational mind. Basically what I’m saying is although it feels good to indulge in religious ideology, theists are dumber. They actively ignore the distinction between objectively real phenomenon and their semantic observations to prove specific facts that satisfy their beliefs. They’re not conditioned to respond to observable phenomenon but instead to gauge their reality based on internal factors that are not consistent between people and create inevitable conflict as a result of those conflicting biases.

            Continuing on that note, when stating that god is not real, semantic arguments relating to knowledge, truth, and certainty are invalid, because no knowledge, truth, or certainty can be assumed in favor of the existence of a god. If there was, it would be a science, and trust me, if there were evidence for it, I’d be digging in there too. Also, not having quantified every phenomenon in no way implies that not everything is quantifiable. Everywhere we look for an explanation, we find one. It just takes effort. Based on this and the empirical evidence of everything we’ve observed until now, there’s good reason to assume that the universe is 100% quantifiable.

            Furthermore, there’s a reason why arguments with theists and the nature of god always break down into their semantic components. “How can you know my baseless sentiments aren’t real? You can’t explain everything! You don’t know me!” These are defensive responses. This conflict is an internal conflict between the believer and their subjective ability to differentiate between whats objectively real from whats internal. The theists on this thread aren’t refuting the methods used in this study. They’re arguing that doing the study in the first place was wrong because it offends them, and that’s invalid. They’re coming to the table and claiming “you science types think you know everything.” Scientists have to assume certainty in order to explore objectively real phenomenon. And theists are taking offense because their bringing their internal conflicts to the table when its the differences between these objectively real phenomenon that are being discussed, not whether or not they’re real to begin with. Theist’s are coming to this article, choosing to read this article, and then claiming that scientists are telling them what to think? Is the obvious hypocrisy really lost on you?

            I’ll admit, I’m being a total a**hole on this forum. But this thread is actively demonstrating what’s wrong with religious ideology. Pretty much every comment I’ve replied to has been stereotypical, redneck garbage. I wouldn’t believe my ears if I heard a real person saying half this crap. It’s absurd, and it deserves to be addressed. Why? Because language is semantic. And semantic phenomenon is up for debate. You can’t say something and expect your individual words to be protected. And you can’t control what people say to you in response. But its not like the universe is totally random. There’s consistency because there’s structure. Communicating is about making compromise. Simply stating your opinion is about as valid as stating your favorite color in a conversation. This is the type of response behavior that’s encouraged by religious ideologies because frankly these ideologies wouldn’t hold themselves together if people didn’t give in to their insecurities. Religions know this. And I’m not saying that all religions are the same, but the Abrahamic religions are the worst. Absolute good an evil justifies black and white thinking. Anything can be justified in the name of an absolute god. It polarizes people, encourages extremism, and creates conflict. And religious institutions take advantage of this for their own gain and continued survival.

            This isn’t the first paper to explore the effects of magnetic induction on the insular cortex, and the sensation of an “other”. In my opinion, this could imply that the belief in god(s) is an evolved adaptation, which served an evolutionary advantage. There are a lot of different ways someone can approach a statement like that, but as far as I’m concerned this only reinforces the fact that god exists in our culture because people need a god to exist, and not because this god has an objectively real impact on the universe. But your right, based solely on the evidence at hand there’s not a lot to go on as to the actual role of this brain region.

            We do know, however, that the insular cortex is related to a plethora of motor functions and subjective experiences relating to the self and subjective reality. Abrasion studies show that damage to the insular cortex results in forms of catatonic paralysis, although not because the brain has lost the ability to command motor functions but more as if it looses its willpower. The potential simply doesn’t propagate. There’s evidence that the insular cortex plays a pivotal role in the objective basis for subjective consciousness. And the fact that there’s two of them in a healthy human brain only complicates the matter, but also sheds like on this “other” presence that people report. This region could also be evidence for an implicit “conscience,” that voice in the back of your head that supplements your everyday reasoning. In fact, there are so many things that studying this region of the brain could imply. But the fact still remains that because of religion, public conversations like this wouldn’t have even been possible a hundred years ago because it offends some peoples belief in god. And although religion may not be a valid argument, it has a real impact, and modern science would not exist if people didn’t stand up and combat these baseless ideologies with reason and evidence.

          • Anthony Zarrella

            Empirical evidence is the initial grounds for truth, because objectively real phenomenon are objectively true regardless of how we perceive them.

            See, I agree with the conclusion, but not the premise.

            Absolutely, objectively real phenomena are objectively real (or “true”, but I’m not sure how a non-propositional “thing in the world” can be true or false) no matter how we perceive them. If anything, I see this as an argument against strict empiricism – because we may misperceive empirical evidence, but that won’t change the underlying facts.

            In fact, the unreliability of empirical evidence is key to your whole argument – you’re arguing that this experiment “proves” that religious experiences are false because the associated perceptions can be generated without any objectively real perceptual object.

            If that is the case, then why is it not possible for things to be misperceived on a larger scale? Why is it not possible that entire categories of things exist beyond our perceptual capabilities (and therefore intrinsically impervious to empirical observation and testing)?

            On that note, I do advocate moral relativism, which I assume would be your next point. Justice is entirely defined by the group and is 100% circumstantial. Although I’m not discrediting the necessity for morality in society, just that it is entirely relative.

            What is the unit of society that defines its relative morality? I’m not facetiously asking for a unit of measurement this time – I mean, does the country define morality? The state? The city? The peer group? My personal circle of friends?

            Once morality is relative at all, it eventually becomes relative to each individual – which means it ceases to exist (even in a semantic sense), because a “code” that consists of “do what I personally feel is right for me at this particular time” is no morality at all.

            So, tell me, if I could be assured of getting away with it, would it be perfectly OK for me to commit some horrific act? I could provide graphic examples, but I see no need – I’m sure your imagination can come up with something worse to you than whatever I could hypothesize.

            If morality is truly relative, then nothing is ever truly wrong – just “impractical” or “inadvisable”. The Holocaust? A geopolitical blunder. H.H. Holmes? A mere antisocial eccentric. The Unabomber? A guy with inefficient persuasive tactics.

            On that note, questions regarding the objective truth relating to justice and beauty are willingly ignorant of the immense complexity of the sciences that would be required to calculate these “units;” ie molecular biology, brain chemistry and topography, etc., sciences that we have not fully quantified.

            I’m not sure whether to laugh or cry… You actually think that justice and beauty are quantifiable metrics, and that we simply lack the sophistication to quantify them as of yet… OK, I have no refutation for that. Others reading will either agree with me, that to state it is to refute it, or they won’t.

            Personally, I think that if you measured every quantity in the universe, down to each constituent atom, or quark, or hyperstring, or whatever, you still couldn’t put a number on beauty or an equation on justice. And what’s really sad is that I’m sure you’d just take that as proof that justice and beauty never existed in the first place.

            But lacking the capacity to fully explain a phenomenon does not imply that the phenomenon is unexplainable.

            Of course not. But it also doesn’t prove that it is explainable.

            Don’t you see? We both believe things on faith. But whereas I believe, “God exists and is the ultimate source and author of all being,” you believe, “Anything currently unexplained will become explicable eventually, as science advances.” Your belief is no more evidence-based than mine (which is not to say that either of us has no evidence).

            You simply assert, axiomatically, that everything is either explicable by science, or else has no objective reality – but there is nothing inherent in the nature of science or of reality that demands that be so.

            The universe is 100% quantum, and therefore 100% quantifiable not because I have absolute certainty, but because I assume certainty based on simple, reproducible quantum mechanical principles.

            Certainly I agree that science has sufficient evidence to conclude with reasonable certainty that all physical phenomena are composed of quantum phenomena. There are two things this does not prove, however:

            1) Whether there is a more-fundamental reality beneath quantum mechanics (after all, a mere 100 years ago, scientists were convinced that the atom was the fundamental unit of everything, then subatomic particles were proven, then quantum mechanics).

            2) Whether there exist any non-physical phenomena having objective reality. Nothing about quantum mechanics (or any other branch of science) says anything at all about the existence or non-existence of anything that is, by nature, beyond the purview of the physical sciences.

            Like most theists, I assume you’re going to take the semantic approach to this conflict. How can one know? The answer is simple. One can’t. All subjective phenomenon are implicitly biased. As a result no one thing can be 100% certain from any subjective perspective, but certainty must still be assumed to make decisions. Not only that, assuming certainty given the appropriate information proves fruitful, and therefore there is an evolutionary pressure to assume certainty. Right or wrong has nothing to do with it.

            First of all, please don’t assume my arguments – particularly fairly thin ones.

            However, since you bring this up, I’ll just note that I have no objection to assuming the certainty of things you can’t know with 100% certitude. That doesn’t change the fact that there is a fact of the matter that may or may not line up with your assumptions.

            In other words, I fully agree that it would be a poor argument for me to simply say, “But how can you be sure?” On the other hand, it’s also a poor argument to say, “I have subjectively sufficient evidence to justify an assumption of certainty, therefore it is irrational for you to question whether my position is, in fact, true.”

            This “truth” however is not equal to truths regarding the objectively real components of an atom, or even the god question. The relevance of whether or not Julius Caesar was Julius Caesar by blood or in fact an impostor makes no difference in the everyday function of the world, whereby a difference in the understanding of how the atom works could have huge implications in the modern world, because the atom is objectively real.

            I’m not actually sure which of two positions you’re taking here, but I find them equally fallacious.

            1) You might be saying that historical truths are not the same as scientific truths because they have less practical relevance. This I find quite silly – we spend billions of dollars on projects like the LHC to discover scientific truths that might, someday have some relevance, but the question of whether John Doe murdered Jane Smith last year has fairly immediate practical relevance.

            2) You might be saying that the truth of whether Julius Caesar ruled Rome (and/or was in fact the person everyone assumed him to be) is not the same as the truths of atomic physics because the former is not objectively real. This is also silly – Julius Caesar had objective existence, and whether he was in fact the person who led an army across the Rubicon, adopted Augustus, and was murdered by Brutus is also a question of objective fact.

            God is not real. I can have certainty in that statement because no valid claim has been presented, and because there’s simply no evidence for it.

            You mean no claim or evidence that you accept. Perhaps that does subjectively justify your belief. But it doesn’t constitute objective evidence against the existence of God.

            Everything that exists in the universe we know exists because it interacts with something else. This is due to conservation of energy and mass. If it doesn’t interact there’s no way of us knowing it exists to begin with.

            Two points:

            1) You’re implicitly limiting “interacts” to “interacts in a physical manner observable by scientific methods”.

            2) You’re confusing or conflating metaphysics (“What is?”) with epistemology (“What can we know?”). There is no necessary reason to assume the implicit premise, that “If X exists, then there is a way for us to detect X.” Particularly if you’re using “detect” to mean “repeatably detect under experimental conditions”.

            And if it has an impact on us, then it interacts, and that interaction is the means by which we can quantify the phenomenon.

            No, that interaction is the means by which we can gather data about the phenomenon. Not all data is quantitative.

            Certainly, all theists (well, not deists) believe that God interacts with the world in some way or other, and that we can know, or at least surmise some things about Him based on those interactions. But in the same way that you can get to know about a person by talking with them, hearing others talk about them, and seeing how they behave – not in the way that you can get to know about a particle by measuring it and putting it through tests.

            Now, what interactions of God can we observe? Well, the biggest one (though I don’t expect you to buy it, so save your scoffing) is the universe itself. It has no causal reason to exist within itself, and so its existence is dependent on the will of God. Then there are, of course, various well-attested miracles – none of them will pass your muster either, because they are, pretty much by definition, non-repeatable phenomena, but a good many of them have been examined by neutral scientific authorities and had any ordinary explanation ruled out. Another example, relevant to this article, is the religious experiences of various people throughout time (many of which were not limited to a vague sense of “the presence of an other”).

            God is not real. And when theists base their assumptions on what is clearly their emotional needs and not objectively real phenomenon, or even semantic phenomenon with an objectively real basis, their opinions, responses, and behaviors become biased in context to something that’s not reflected in the universe.

            Again, you’re building off an unproven premise. Yes, if it is both objectively true and rationally obvious that God is not real, then theists are all irrational and biased. But your only “proof” of that critical premise (“God is not real”) is that there is insufficient evidence to convince you (or that you have idiosyncratically defined the terms such that any such evidence is impossible).

            They’re not conditioned to respond to observable phenomenon but instead to gauge their reality based on internal factors that are not consistent between people

            Basically, they’re not sufficiently indoctrinated into materialism/scientism/physicalism/whatever.

            I could just as easily say that atheists and secularists of all stripes are irrational and flawed because you (as a group, I mean) are not conditioned to be open to the grace of God in personal, non-transferable manifestations, but instead to gauge your reality based solely on what you can see and touch.

            The point is that your “condemnation” is only damning from the perspective of one who has already accepted that your worldview is the correct one.

            Continuing on that note, when stating that god is not real, semantic arguments relating to knowledge, truth, and certainty are invalid, because no knowledge, truth, or certainty can be assumed in favor of the existence of a god. If there was, it would be a science, and trust me, if there were evidence for it, I’d be digging in there too.

            Again, we (theists) reject your core premise – that if something is true, it is explicable by physical science. Having rejected physicalism, we’d argue that there is a science devoted to the study of God – it’s called theology, and it’s been around for millennia.

            Also, not having quantified every phenomenon in no way implies that not everything is quantifiable. Everywhere we look for an explanation, we find one. It just takes effort. Based on this and the empirical evidence of everything we’ve observed until now, there’s good reason to assume that the universe is 100% quantifiable.

            This is confirmation bias of the worst sort. Sure, you can point to a bunch of things that were once thought inexplicable, and which science has now explained. I can point to a bunch of things that have baffled and bedeviled the greatest minds of humanity for centuries or longer (I mean things that are theoretically within the proper realm of science, that is) and also to some that are widely believed (by scientists and other rationalists) to be unproveable in principle. But you only want to look at the former category, and say, “See, if we try hard enough, experience shows us that we can explain anything!”

            Science has accomplished a lot. Don’t get me wrong, I like science. But inductively inferring, “Science can explain anything” from “Science has explained a lot of stuff” is no more justifiable than inferring “Google will eventually succeed at anything it attempts” from “Google has overcome a lot of improbable obstacles over the past decade.”

            Furthermore, there’s a reason why arguments with theists and the nature of god always break down into their semantic components. “How can you know my baseless sentiments aren’t real? You can’t explain everything! You don’t know me!” These are defensive responses.

            Yes… way to craft a straw man. Let’s see how it looks if we pretend (just for the sake of argument, y’know) that there are some intelligent theists out there to make these arguments…

            “How can you assume that the reported experiences of literally millions of people over thousands of years are all mere delusions?”

            “For you to assume that everything is explicable in a scientific paradigm is unsupported and dubious, at best.”

            “Please don’t make assumptions about my intelligence or my beliefs simply from the fact that I’m a theist – engage me as an individual, not as an amalgamation of your anti-theistic stereotypes.”

            You see, we don’t accept your dismissive categorization of any non-scientific truth as “merely semantic” and therefore “not objectively real”.

            This conflict is an internal conflict between the believer and their subjective ability to differentiate between whats objectively real from whats internal.

            Or… a conscious and considered refusal to accept the premise that “objectively real” and “internal” form two mutually exclusive categories, or that “objectively real” is formally equivalent to “scientifically verifiable”.

            The theists on this thread aren’t refuting the methods used in this study. They’re arguing that doing the study in the first place was wrong because it offends them, and that’s invalid.

            Oh really? Because I made a fairly detailed post critiquing the methodological inadequacies of the study.

            Doing the study in the first place was wrong because it was sloppy, and reporting findings that are not fairly supported by the evidence was irresponsible.

            The only things I’m “offended” by are 1) the shoddy science and statistics, because scientists should know better and should be held to a better academic standard, and 2) the headline – because nothing in the study (even if we take the results as valid) verifies that belief in God is a malady to be “treated”.

            And theists are taking offense because they’re bringing their internal conflicts to the table when its the differences between these objectively real phenomenon that are being discussed, not whether or not they’re real to begin with.

            Again, maybe “theists” are making this argument, but I’m not. I do have problems with whether this study in fact proves what it claims to prove, and also with what claims can validly be drawn from that claimed proof (if itself valid).

            It’s absurd, and it deserves to be addressed. Why? Because language is semantic. And semantic phenomenon is up for debate.

            Huh??? Well, yes language is semantic – “semantic” means “relating to meaning in language or logic”. And yes, semantic phenomena are up for debate – because the very nature of debate is to dispute semantic phenomena.

            But scientific claims have semantic content as well. Any truth claim about the world is both semantic and subject to debate.

            You can’t say something and expect your individual words to be protected. And you can’t control what people say to you in response.

            Of course not – who the heck is asking for that??? Criticizing your responses is not the same as telling you that you have no right to make them.

            But its not like the universe is totally random. There’s consistency because there’s structure.

            OK??? And what relevance does this have to the surrounding paragraph? I don’t particularly disagree, but I don’t see the relevance.

            Communicating is about making compromise.

            No, communicating is about conveying information. There’s an important role for compromise, but compromise is in no way necessary to the essence of communication.

            Besides, you don’t practice what you preach – you’re quite uncompromising in your assertion that science is the only reality and that God is a delusion.

            Simply stating your opinion is about as valid as stating your favorite color in a conversation.

            Sure – I don’t dispute that. If I did, I’d just be shrieking, “God is real! You’re wrong! God is real!” over and over, rather than trying to demonstrate the flaws in your reasoning.

            This is the type of response behavior that’s encouraged by religious ideologies because frankly these ideologies wouldn’t hold themselves together if people didn’t give in to their insecurities.

            I don’t know what religious people you’ve been talking to (though I readily acknowledge that the sort you describe do exist in large numbers), but the Church I’m a part of (Catholic) has had some of the brightest minds in human history writing extraordinarily detailed rational arguments defending what we believe and why. Any Catholic with the God-given intelligence to reason at that level is positively encouraged to read these arguments and engage with them (and those who do not happen to possess that sort of intellect are not disparaged).

            Blind, unreasoning faith may be a centerpiece of some faiths, but not the Catholic faith. Ultimately, it’s true, we do fall back to “the Church says so” but that is only because we have a well-developed theology that explains why the Church’s authority is valid (a theology which does not, itself, depend on the authority of the Church, in case you’re wondering).

            Religions know this. And I’m not saying that all religions are the same, but the Abrahamic religions are the worst. Absolute good an evil justifies black and white thinking. Anything can be justified in the name of an absolute god. It polarizes people, encourages extremism, and creates conflict. And religious institutions take advantage of this for their own gain and continued survival.

            That’s absurd. Not that some religions haven’t done that (The “Religion” That Must Not Be Named On Pain of Lawsuit comes to mind – you know, the one that sounds “scientific”…), but it’s simply absurd to assert it with respect to Christianity.

            You mean to argue that a bunch of First Century men decided to found a religion that gave them minimal temporal benefit and subjected them to persecution, and then they all decided to go to their deaths for the sake of this religion… all to keep the gravy train rolling?

            This isn’t the first paper to explore the effects of magnetic induction on the insular cortex, and the sensation of an “other”.

            OK. As I said, all this proves is that magnetic induction on the insular cortex can create the sensation of an “other.” Three points:

            1) That doesn’t even have anything to do with this article, except that both used magnetic induction. This particular study claims to be able to reduce belief by magnetic induction, not to create any particular sensation.

            2) The ability to induce a sensation artificially does not disprove the existence of an objectively real stimulus that produces that sensation normally.

            3) Many, if not most religious experiences involve more than the mere “presence of an other”, and so even if A) the insular cortex is solely responsible for all such sensations and B) it could be proven that such sensations were always a mere artifact of the insular cortex, it still wouldn’t disprove the validity of all or even most religious experiences.

            There are a lot of different ways someone can approach a statement like that, but as far as I’m concerned this only reinforces the fact that god exists in our culture because people need a god to exist, and not because this god has an objectively real impact on the universe. But your right, based solely on the evidence at hand there’s not a lot to go on as to the actual role of this brain region.

            Yes, and so I can see why you would take it as further evidence of that which you already believe (and I’m not even saying that’s particularly irrational of you). Just do remember that it therefore does not constitute any sort of compelling evidence for those who do not already believe that God is a cultural or psychological artifact.

            We do know, however, that the insular cortex…

            [Cutting off the quote just because I see little need to reproduce it in full]

            I agree – these are fascinating things to study. The insular cortex seems to be a region of the brain that will prove very significant as we understand it better. I merely reject the notion that because a certain sensation or capacity can be localized to a particular region of the brain, that therefore is is equivalent to the function of that region of the brain. The power of sight is localized in the visual cortex, but no one (especially not an empiricist, I would think) could argue that sight perceptions are nothing but artifacts of the visual cortex.

            But the fact still remains that because of religion, public conversations like this wouldn’t have even been possible a hundred years ago because it offends some peoples belief in god. And although religion may not be a valid argument, it has a real impact, and modern science would not exist if people didn’t stand up and combat these baseless ideologies with reason and evidence.

            That’s… not even remotely true.

            The Church began Western science (or at least picked up where Archimedes had left off, after the Dark Ages – which were not due to the Church, contrary to popular belief). Until the 20th Century, nearly all the great scientists of history were practicing theists.

            Please don’t make the mistake of assuming that the worst of mid-20th Century Bible Belt Christianity is indicative of all theists everywhere. The oldest extant scientific academy is the Pontifical Academy of Sciences, unless I’m greatly mistaken.

            Opposition to materialism is not opposition to science – it’s merely a refusal to accept that science is all that there is, or all that is worth studying.

        • Texas Arcane

          Religious faith is a copying mechanism for the human being to deal with the greatest persistent threat of them all – their own death. By forming an epistemology around it this allows them to concentrate on priorities without being paralyzed by fear in all things. The genius of Christianity is yoking it as a gift which must be reciprocated by conduct. As an atheist or Christian I can assure you as a religion it is pure brilliance. Christian faith is a sign the threat-reflex centre (amygdala) is working healthy and natural. The indifferent aren’t too refined for such a reaction, they are too stupid to care one way or the other. The scientists have simply discovered a way to turn undamaged human beings into morons as well.

      • Anthony Zarrella

        How, exactly, do you come by this epistemological certainty that religiosity is a disease that inhibits the will? Or, more to the point, what argument can you make to that effect that couldn’t equally be made against virtually any other unpopular psychology?

        How would you answer someone who said that there was a “treatment” for atheism, and insisted that if only you could deactivate the faithless part of your brain, you’d be able to see the glory of God? I imagine you’d consider it brainwashing, and if it was imposed on you by medical or scientific intervention, I’d agree. This would be no different – scientists would be deciding, by fiat, that their views are correct, and that those who disagree are “sick” and need to be “cured”.

        Either way, it’s tyranny and dehumanization.

  • cyber

    Who are the two morons that penned this ignorant study? Must be a fine twosome with low self esteem!

    • Alex Fischer

      Its not a study, its a observation. And by targeting the insular cortex using magnetic stimulation therapy, a number of teams have been able to stimulate and even modulate the sensation of an “other” like turning a dial on a radio.

      It could have interesting implications for the god belief, and suggests that there may be an evolutionary advantage to believing in god, and that we are in ways adapted to perceiving an “other,” but it would effectively tie that “other” into our subconscious and not some absurd supernatural force.

      • TommyD6of11

        Alex,
        The discrediting of the TMS study, or if you prefer, observation, is based on its dubious methodology … opinion measurements that while pretending to be scientific can be easily manipulated. Likewise, the “researchers” can rig the results by setting the participants mindset with leading questions.

        Those are the specific challanges this article presents.

        Your retort was completely unresponsive.

        You nitpick that it was an observation not a study … which in today’s world of “Science by Consensus” is a distinction without meaning.

        You then conclude your retort by saying in effect that anyone who disagrees is a mad man who believes in “some absurd supernatural force”.

        You are entitled to your own beliefs, but please don’t attempt to palm them off as scientific reasoning.

        • pintorider

          His response was a lot more “scientific” that the idiot’s comment to which he was responding.

        • Alex Fischer

          This study and studies like it are observing an objectively real function in the brain. Whether or not this function exists is not a matter of opinion, although our interpretation of it may be.

          Although note all the theist’s on this forum taking offense because the study actually took place rather than challenging the methodology used. And in case you didn’t realize, my retort was a response. You’re throwing around some awfully big words there, are you sure you can handle them?

          Sure I’m entitled to my beliefs, but the world isn’t just made up of opposing beliefs. There are objectively real phenomenon too, a fact that thiest’s conveniently forget.

      • Johnny Kay

        Alex Shmalex: The point is not the “targeting the insular cortex using magnetic stimulation therapy”, but the marginalization of those who oppose the official narrative of events promoted by the corporate elite.

        • Alex Shmalex

          Really? What part of this article specifically proves that? And thiest’s that oppose the corporate elite? Theism is the best friend of the corporate elite! The easiest way to to convince a million poor people to vote for less taxes and more trade protections is by telling them their god wills it. That’s the main reason why the corporate elite are so gung ho about religion, cuz you’re all chumps and everyone knows it.

      • Anthony Zarrella

        Scientists can artificially induce all manner of sensory and mental stimuli (the “menu” of possible effects is constantly growing).

        But the fact that the sensation of heat can be directly induced in the absence of heat does not mean that I’m unjustified in assuming that there actually is heat when I perceive the sensation of heat under non-laboratory conditions. The fact that we can reliably produce optical perceptions of certain sorts without genuine optical input does not mean I’m unjustified in assuming that what I see is really there under normal circumstances.

        Likewise, the fact that scientists may be able to produce a sensation that is analogous to some religious experiences (but by no means all) does not stand as evidence against the existence of a reality that produces those experiences under non-laboratory circumstances.

        Also, none of that changes the fact that this particular study/observation/travesty is fatally flawed by its incompetent methodology.

  • Johnny Kay

    The “researchers” are just promoting the agenda of the corporate elite that finances them.

    The purpose of this study is to marginalize those who believe in God or oppose open
    borders by presenting as an established fact that there is no rational reason for thinking that way — and anyone who does is mentally ill and needs to be cured.

    The meta-message is that those who disagree with the official narrative about anything are mentally ill.

    The “researchers” could just as easily have inserted opposition to global warming, gun control, fluoridation, or vaccination as the target questions — and probably will in future “studies”.

    • Alex Shmalex

      So whats the rational reason for believing in god then?

    • nobody

      The purpose of this study is to scientifically demonstrate that religious belief in a god in nothing more than a delusion, your run-of-the-mill mental disease. And they have completely succeeded in that.
      And yes, they might ask them, they are typical positions hold by those with severe mental issues, persons that refuse to see reality and dwell in their delusion.

      • Anthony Zarrella

        Or… They’ve succeeded in “scientifically demonstrating” (using horrendously shoddy science and statistics) that zapping a person’s brain with magnets might (depending on whether any of the reported “significance” is even valid) alter their thought processes.

        That says absolutely nothing about whether the original thought process is a “disease”. If you zap a person’s brain a certain way, you can “cure” them of self-identity, of assertiveness, or of cognitive capacity. Does that prove that the ability to think is a disease?

        What about all the beliefs that they didn’t test? How would you react if they had asked a few more questions and it turned out that this zapping reduced belief in religion, conservative immigration policies, gay rights, abortion rights, and racial equality? Would you then conclude that pro-gay worldviews, pro-choice ideology, and racial egalitarianism are also delusions and mental diseases [or, if you happen to be one of those rare atheists who is also anti-gay, pro-life, and racist, then substitute whatever ideology you do value]? I’ll bet you would change your tune.

        The biggest issue, though, is the junk science and junk statistics. I work in market research, and there are enough white-papers (i.e. academic publications) to pulp the Amazon written just on the subject of when and how to use rating scales – whether to use 4-point, 5-point, 7-point, or 10-point, whether to start at zero, start at 1, or put zero at the midpoint and go into negative numbers, how to tell if a given variable is even susceptible to rational and objective quantification… Then as many papers again written on how to avoid biasing answers with prior questions (which the authors of this study seem to have not only made no effort to avoid, but actively exploited), and then of course there’s the effect of re-asking the same question in close time proximity.

        It’s pure junk, on the same level as homeopathics, phrenology, or cigarettes being good for your health.

    • Johnny Kay

      My reply to Alex Shmalex and “nobody”:

      To those who focus on the particular ideas targeted by this “experiment”, may I suggest your antipathy to religion prevents you from seeing the big picture. The biased “experiment” and subjective interpretation of the alleged results could just as easily be directed at those who share your opinions.

      For example:

      Scientists Claim Zapping Brains with Magnets Can Treat Belief in Anthropogenic
      Global Warming

      Scientists Claim Zapping Brains with Magnets Can Treat Belief in Gun Control

      Scientists Claim Zapping Brains with Magnets Can Treat Belief in Fluoridation

      Scientists Claim Zapping Brains with Magnets Can Treat Belief in Vaccination

      Scientists Claim Zapping Brains with Magnets Can Treat Belief in [insert belief you want to criicize. . . ]

  • Kevin_OKeeffe

    ELECTRONIC LOBOTOMY! Seriously, what else is there to say about this practice? Other than that its some Dr. Mengele-level criminality.