Another Ruthless Attack on a Pro-Family Group

Corporate America Flexes Its Muscle to Enforce Conformity

By Jennifer Roback Morse Published on September 4, 2017

The “hate group” label had been pasted on the Ruth Institute by the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC), probably because it has opposed same-sex marriage. But the job of the Ruth Institute is healing the effects of family breakdown, not denigrating homosexuals. This appears to be another sign of LGBT corporate tyranny: if you don’t agree with us, get lost …

Dr. Roback Morse is philosophical about this insult to the integrity of her work. She says on her website, “Vanco, Card Brands, and Wells Fargo are private businesses. The Ruth Institute respects their right to conduct their businesses as they see fit. We just wish wedding photographers, bakers, and florists received the same respect.”

Below, she answers a few questions about this incident.

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MercatorNet: Ruth Institute has been dumped by its online donations processing service. What reason did Vanco give?

Jennifer Roback Morse: We quoted them verbatim in our public statement:

Vanco has elected to discontinue our processing relationship with The Ruth Institute. The organization has been flagged by Card Brands as being affiliated with a product/service that promotes hate, violence, harassment and/or abuse. Merchants that display such attributes are against Vanco and Wells Fargo processing policies.”

This is the sum total of their communication to us.

Did they talk to you first?

Morse: Nope.

Did they say they had reviewed the content of your website?

Morse: Nope.

So what sources were they relying on to reach their decision?

Morse: Dunno. I have no idea. I would only be guessing, if I said otherwise.

How long has the Ruth Institute been going? What is your mission and focus?

Morse: We have been in existence since 2008. We have been independent of the National Organization for Marriage since November 2013.

The Southern Poverty Law Center put you on the “hate map” in 2013 was this date significant?

Morse: I do not really know.

What reasons did they give?

Morse: They never contacted us prior to putting us on their map, not have they contacted us since. You would have to look at the reasons they cite on their map.

What positions or language do your critics find objectionable? Do you think you have expressed yourselves unfairly or too strongly at all?

Morse: They have classified us as “Anti-LGBT.” Their basic objection is that we uphold traditional Christian morality. They have gathered together a handful of statements, usually ripped out of context, to claim that we are defaming gay people. We have created a page called “Where’s the Hate?” where we list, to the best of our ability, the articles and podcasts that people have found objectionable. We invite anyone to study those materials and form their own opinion about whether we belong on the same list as the Ku Klux Klan.

What is the mission of the Ruth Institute?

Morse: We are creating a mass social movement to end family breakdown, by energizing the Survivors of the Sexual Revolution. We especially focus on the impact of family breakdown on children: understanding it, healing it, ending it.

That doesn’t seem to have anything to do with racism or hate!

Morse: Why do you think the Southern Poverty Law Center has created a whole category called “Anti-LGBT?” Sexual revolutionaries gain a strategic advantage by labeling people like me. Guilt by association is irrational, but powerful. The fear of being labelled a racist provides a potent disincentive for people to voice the view that children need their own parents. Silencing people relieves the identity politicians and sexual revolutionaries from the effort of having to defend their ideas.

This is convenient for these Identity politicians and sexual revolutionaries, because their ideas are indefensible. Children actually do need their own parents. Sexual orientation is not the equivalent of race. Two mothers do not equal two fathers and two fathers do not equal a mother and a father, and certainly not one’s own mother and father. Placing us next to the guys with white hoods and swastikas avoids engaging any arguments.

There are multiple ironies here. Many, many people in the African American community are devout Christians who deeply resent what they consider the hijacking of the civil rights movement and rhetoric by LGBT activists. Since we oppose aspects of the LGBT movement, we are considered the equivalent of the KKK or Nazis.

Vanco markets itself to religious organizations, which makes their attitude to you puzzling.

Morse: Many groups and individuals are concerned about this sort of targeting. Yes: the fact that Vanco markets itself to churches and religious organizations does make this puzzling. I would suggest that churches consider switching providers.

Will you try to talk to Vanco or Card Brands?

Morse: Probably not. We are looking for another service provider.

 

 

Dr. Jennifer Roback Morse is president of the Ruth Institute.

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  • Patmos

    The new definition of “bigot” is: Someone who is winning an argument with a progressive.

    • David

      No, the new definition of a bigot is “a racist hatemonger, but with a massive victim complex and no new ideas”.

      If you were capable of winning an at, you wouldn’t need to scream fake news or claim that you are somehow under attack

      • Andrew Mason

        Not sure how you win an at, but conservatives, and especially Christians are undeniably under attack. Free speech is increasingly attacked, terms redefined, and violence against the ‘Right’ deemed acceptable whilst being Right is supposedly wrong, perhaps even an act of violence. The world is mad!

        • David

          No, hate speech is being opposed, not under atrack. There is no law against your hateful speech, you just have to accept consequences.

          Yes, terms are redefined. For example, “Christianity” is defined by you as “a system that worships greed, hatred, vanity, and a golden haired lying traitor who is pure evil”.

          No, being racist and hateful is wrong. You decided to decline the right wing entirely around being hateful and bigotted.

          Now meanwhile, right wing terrorists are detonating bombs in mosques, and Trump refuses to even acknowledge it. But because of your own victim complex, you think that this is not as bad as you not being allowed to be as awful as you want with no consequences.

          You see, like all spoiled and hateful creatures, you have never experienced a time where you weren’t given absolute privilige. Because to you, you having all rights and nobody else having any is fair. So you are too spoiled to understand the difference between being told to respect the rights of others, and your rights going away.

          • Andrew Mason

            Who said anything about hate speech? I said free speech was under attack. And yes there are laws against hate speech – it depends on the country you’re in.

            That’s … kinda incomprehensible. What golden haired lying traitor are you talking about? And no greed, hatred and vanity are quite contrary to the the Bible. Of course Biblical speech is deemed hate speech in certain places.

            I decided to decline the right-wing around being hateful and bigoted? Are you a native English speaker? Again that’s kinda incomprehensible. I certainly don’t control the right-wing, nor do I see those “values” as being relevant.

            Bombs in mosques? Where has that happened? The only bomb I can recall hearing anything about lately was the one against a Christian group. That’s been downplayed a lot by the media of course! Since I’ve read nothing about any mosques being bombed I don’t see why Trump should acknowledge it. What was the source of the claims about these ‘bombings’? Interesting you think I’m disappointed at not being allowed to be as awful as you think I want to be.

            You know your assumptions are amusingly idiotic! Why assume I have absolute privilege? Do you think I’m Obama or Zuckerberg? Why assume I advocate rights for some and not others? I support equality, what I oppose is inequality spun as equality. Just say no to 1984! 🙂

          • David

            Oh, you mean free speech, not hate speech. Well yes, free speech is under attack from republicans, from Trump demonizing the free press, to demonizing protesters against Nazis, to Republicans trying to legalise running protesters over. But what does that have to do with Christians, who are never opposed in free speech outside of hate speech?

            The spray tanned rapist toddler you elected president. And Yes, the bible does condemn those things. But evangelicals care little for what the bible says, outside of passages they quote to support their hate.

            It’s called autocorrect. And you in this instance means the Republican party. The generalised plural you, referring to you and the collective group you belong to that I do not. Are you a native English speaker?

            I’m not suprised you don’t know about it, some you are insanely self absorbed with no empathy for others whatsoever. A Minnesota mosque was bombed August 5th. But if course, you would never ever hear about it, because the news pampers white Christians and ignores the suffering of others.

            And of course, the church bombing was in Egypt. Not America. You care more about attacks in Egypt than terrorist attacks in the US, because you need to feed your victim complex. Because you are entirely as.awful as I thought.

            I know you have absolute rights because you are a straight white Christian male. I know you aren’t as successful as Obama and Zuckerberg, but I fail to see what that has to do with being born with every advantage.

            And No, since you don’t know what equality is, you don’t support equality. You support inequality, you just tell yourself what is clearly inequality is totally equality.

          • Andrew Mason

            Free speech is under attack from Republicans? Since when? Do Republicans control Google, Facebook, Twitter, the media …? And the fact that Trump demonises elements of the free press is no real surprise. Faith in the MSM has plummeted, and the MSM’s partisan war against Trump just makes the bias more apparent. Note too that you’re seem to be talking US specific. The skew is more global. The moment a Christian says marriage is between a man and a woman – about the first thing the Bible teaches (Genesis 2), or says that homosexuality is wrong, they’re at risk of legal action.

            Spray tanned rapist toddler I elected president? You mean Clinton? It’s been a while since he was elected, and I believe the allegations of rape never actually made it to the courts, but I could be mistaken. I don’t know what sort of folk you mix with, but I’m not aware of anyone identifying as evangelical supporting those values you mention.

            It’s generally referred to as auto-corrupt most places I see it mentioned. Given you never mentioned the Republican Party in your paragraph I’m not sure how I was supposed to divine you=RP. I’m aware of you being used in a plural form, but for that to work you need to establish a group first. Yes born and bred native English speaker, and some very limited English tuition provided to ESL types.

            Okay it appears you’re talking about a genuine event. Looks like it was covered, or referenced, by several left-wing publications e.g. CNN, HuffPo, NY Post, Reuters, The Guardian. Problem is nobody knows anything more than that a blast happened. Compare that to the coverage of a car bomb attack in Australia where a homosexual activist targeted a Christian organisation. It’s basically a terrorist attack, but the limited coverage mostly downplays that. The news pampers White Christians and ignores the suffering of others? What do you readwatch? The news I see is mostly the reverse.

            Church bombing in Egypt? Sure, the Muslim world has plenty of those, and other atrocities. But what of attacks in the West? I mentioned Australia already, but Spain almost had a terrorist attack on one of their major cathedrals. Oh then too there was that FRC shooting. Fan of the SPLC decided to use their Targetwatch er I mean Hatewatch list and try going on a rampage.

            Why do you assume I am a “straight white Christian male”? And why do you assume they have absolute rights? And why do you characterise Obama and Zuckerberg as successful rather than privileged? Zuckerberg was the son of 2 New York professionals, and likely moderately wealthy – he attended Harvard. There’s no questioning he’s bright, but that doesn’t change the fact he’s privileged. Obama’s background is loosely similar. A professional mother who married a senior governmental economist from Kenya. True the marriage only lasted 3 years, after which said economist returned to his first wife. Obama gained an Indonesian stepfather a couple of years later who was variously a government employee, and a major oil company employee. Obama attended Columbia College and several years later went to Harvard. Both are Ivy League schools. Neither come from an underprivileged background.

            Curious that you believe you know what I think equality is. Obviously we’re not going to agree on equality and inequality.

          • David

            Twitter, Google, and Facebook are private companies and are not obligated to give you a platform to spew hate speech. As for the media, yes, the Republicans do not own the media in the way they own Fox News and the rest of the right wing propaganda engine, so they have been trying to destroy it.

            Yes, because of decades upon decades of attacks on the free press by Republicans, going back years, people have begun to think that there is some sort of a bias in the media. Like Goebells, the right wing hero, said – if you repeat a lie often enough, then people will accept it as the truth. And yes, Donald Trump has waged a war on the free press, in spite of the press doing anything and everything they can to try and make him look good. CNN even said he became presidential, in the 12 hours when he wasn’t an utterly incompetent corrupt monster.

            And now I notice you trying to claim you take an international perspective to claim that CHristians are under attack, and then will ignore that Muslims are butchered by extremist groups at 10X the rate of CHristians. But again, that doesn’t feed your persecution complex, so you don’t care about it.

            And of course, the claims that there are totally real times Christians were sued for free speech. Ignoring that they weren’t sued for free speech, it was for discriminatory practices, and because they know that makes it obvious they are the bad guys, they lie and say it was “free speech”.

            Remember when we heard Donald Trump, on tape, bragging about sexually assaulting women? Moving on them? Grabbing them by the…? Any memory of this? Do you remember when you elected that rapist monster in November?

            I did refer to right wingers before this point.

            Of course I’m talking about a genuine event. Unlike right wingers, I do not lie. And we know that it was a terrorist attack against a mosque. It was a bomb, that was used to try and blow up a mosque. A direct terrorist attack on religious groups, but it wasn’t your religious group, so you don’t care. And you need to go all the way to Australia to find any cases of anyone attacking Christians in a remotely comparable way.

            Also, the two first words in the headline of the article about Jaden Duong in The Australian are Gay Activist. WHat the heck are you talking about?

            That wasn’t even a church, it was a right wing anti-gay lobbying group. The only way you could claim that’s an attack on CHristians is if you admit you are hateful towards LGBTQ people. As for the Spain attack, when you say “almost”, you mean “didn’t”. You are taking attacks that didn’t happen and trying to score sympathy points off of that – you are literally trying to use things that did not ever happen as evidence.

            And the FRC shooting was 4 years ago. You know what was more recent than that? The planned parenthood shooting shooting in Colorado Spirngs on November 27th, 2015 that killed three people. You see how this works?

            I assume you are a straight white christian male because you argue exactly like one, with all the same blindness and biases of a lifetime of every kind of born privilige.

            Zuckerberg was born into wealth, but he doubtlessly used ingenuity to far exceed said wealth and didn’t have things handed to him. And Obama was the son of a single mother, raised for years by his grandparents, who got into Harvard on a Scholarship. He had to deal with racism every day of his life, even into the presidency, where people took the colour of his skin and used it to try to delegitimize him. He succeeded in spite of the world being set against him. How can you possibly say Obama was priviliged instead of being a man who managed to overcome his setbacks?

            We’re not going to agree, because you are using a warped view of reality, where you think the status quo is fair because thats what is comfortable for you to believe, and you ignore anyone who points out why it is not.

          • Andrew Mason

            Actually that’s open to debate. As near monopolistic service providers there is some debate over their responsibilities. They consistently oppose particular perspectives – Christians, pro-lifers, pro-Israel etc, but are far more relaxed with hate speech and violent content. No the Republicans don’t own Fox – that’d be Murdoch.

            Actually Goebbels is a Socialist hero – remember National Socialist party. As for repeating a lie often enough, even the media admit there’s a left-wing bias, they just claim neutrality isn’t appropriate. The free press doing everything they can to make him look good? Since when? Most of what I’ve seen has been attacks, scandals, and idiocy. I’m not sure your CNN quote really supports your case.

            Actually I’m not trying to claim anything. I’m simply pointing out that the assault on Christianity is global. The only difference is in kind and frequency. As for Muslims being butchered by extremist groups at 10x the rate of Christians, that’d be ISIS Muslims killing those Muslims unwilling to convertjoin ISIS, whilst they’re killing all Christians and Yazidi they encounter, apart from those they keep as sex slaves. Don’t let the facts spoil your narrative though. And in China or North Korea – since you did say international, it’s not Muslims persecuting Christians, it’s authoritarian governments. Ditto Sweden, though the number of Christians there is of course far lower, as in the persecution.

            I’m assuming that’s a reference to Masterpiece and the like? All customers are served, not all requests are supported. I’m paraphrasing of course but there hopefully you get the idea. The problem is legislation offers protection – offensive content can be refused, but the courts have a warped take on what can be deemed offensive – Christian content can be refused, homosexual content generally can’t.

            I heard about it. Never looked into it. I believe the media blew the original quote into something far more significant. Can’t say I approve of the language but no matter. And as before your assertion is amusingly idiotic. To call him a rapist monster however doesn’t accord with the facts. It’s the Clintons that are considered to have that connection from what I’ve read.

            And you assume I care or not. Again assumptions. You’re very aggressive, and horrendously confused but keep up the entertainment. And why assume I have to go alllll the way to Australia for a case? News is news isn’t it? And doesn’t Australia count as part of the West?

            Since I have no clue what confuses you I can’t say what it was I’ve said that you struggle with.

            No it’s a Christian lobby group or somesuch. Can’t say I’m especially familiar with their work but they appear mainstream. And the attack happened. The Spain attack was intended as a mass casualty event. Sure it didn’t happen, but it was planned. As for the PP shooting, wasn’t that Dear or am I confusing events? Assuming I’m not conflating cases, you’re talking about an individual considered not competent to stand trial.

            So you mean because I appear to support right-wing ideas I must be a “straight white christian male”? What of those non-straight, non-white, non-Christian, non-male supporters of right-wing ideas? I suspect a lot of assumptions here – the Net is blind after all.

            So you admit Zuckerberg was born into wealth but deny he was born into privilege? I’m not denying he got ahead, that’s not the issue. The question is whether he was privileged. If he scaffolded that privilege into success then anyone without his privilege may be unable to equal his achievements, assuming they want to. As for Obama, yes his mother was divorced for a couple of years, but she was a professional on a decent income, as was his stepfather. Can’t comment about his grandparents – the info is too scanty. As for Harvard on a scholarship, what’s the source for that claim? From what I’m seeing no he wasn’t bright enough to earn a scholarship to cover his entire tuition. As for dealing with racism every day of his life, and the colour of his skin being used to delegitimise him, RoFL! KKK aside, people objected to him because he was incompetent, not because he was Black.

            Say rather that the status quo has been generally fair but requires some tweaking. Affirmative action stuff for instance is damaging and racist, and quotas are equally toxic. The message pushed by Google etc is divisive and encouraging tribalism in America etc. As for having a warped view, it’s actually a view shared by folk around the world, across cultures, and colours. Might want to rethink your privilege level and bias.

          • David

            The SPLC is a nonprofit, you tiny tiny brained little monkey. THey don’t get more profit. They also don’t make more money from attacking nonviolent groups who never hurt nobody. THey get it from showing that alt-right groups are full of violent monsters who run over protesters with their car.

            Yes, I know that they don’t oppose a group called Anti-Fascists, who fight against fascism and hate groups. WHy is that a surprise?

            Yes, Stupid hateful people like you do believe the lies of hate groups and part with their money to defend these hate groups against the mean old SPLC. Here, try to rub two brain cells together – if the people who support the SPLC all noticed that the groups never did preach hatred, they would stop supporting the SPLC. If the people who support the SPLC didn’t care about evidence, the SPLC would make up groups. If they were actually hate groups the SPLC opposed, but claimed they weren’t and hid beihnd lies, then we would be in this exact situation, because you have a huge victim complex and will support any villain so long as they claim CHristianity is under attack. THINK! YOU CAN DO IT, SMALL BRAIN! THINK!

            Yes, the party that has fully jumped on board stoking racist hatred has the ideological support of racist hate groups. Why do you think this is surprising? You think the SPLC should lie and claim that a vegan cooking group is a hate group just to make your fee fees better?

            Very cute. I’m talking about when the KKK newspaper supported him. I know that you think you can pretend to be ignorant on this, but even you couldn’t be that dumb.

            Right, Jesus spoke out about sexual immorality, but not homosexuality. If it was important, then he would have mentioned it. He is Jesus. He would know that His word would be of such importance that if something were relevant for the world to know it is wrong, he would have talked about it. Just like he never talked about Abortion, so we know that’s not a problem.

            Right, intermarriage would lead to turning away from god, because it is evil in the eyes of god. Its completely in context just as the bible is written, and just like another passage in Deuteronomy, is used by hateful monsters to try to twist the bible to support their agenda.

            No, the fact you tried desperately to spin away those passages, and couldn’t (you didn’t mention Phinehas, you snivelling, cowardly little lying weasel) has everything to do with showing how your bigotry about LGBTQ people has nothing to do with CHristianity and the Bible, and everything to do with you projecting your own hatred.

            Yes, up until 1964, Democrats were racist. Then, the Southern Strategy was put in place, Democrat LBJ siged the Civil Rights act, and Republicans became unbelievably, unashamedly racist to win votes, to the point MLK decried that the GOP and the KKK were married at the Cow Palace in his Letters from Birmingham Jail.

            Now you’re just inventing a conspiracy theory. There are no right wing academics in blue states for the same reason there are no chimpanzee academics in blue states – because someone who flings their own feces around as a method of communication does not have a place in teaching people. Academics veer left for the same reason that people with masters of electrical engineering veer towards people who do not try to lick wall sockets.

            Its not idealogical thinking, its simple qualification based thinking. A man who wants to be seen as respected within his field has to be able to construct an argument that others cannot easily tear down. Republicans do not have the mental faculties to build arguments that others cannot tear down – look at what I am doing to you. If a Republican had the mental fortitiude to create that kind of an argument, then they would notice that the concept of trickle down economics is obviously completely wrong, and would no longer be a Republican. NO-one is ever fired for being Right wing, the Right wingers are too objectively stupid to ever qualify. See the difference? Its completely merit based, and Republicans have no merits whatsoever.

            You can’t claim to be information literate if all of the media you consume is simply swill barfed from pigs feeding at the same diseased trough. Multiple sources all repeating the same lies they read off of Breitbart don’t get more truthful or based in reality.

            The fact that you are not giving me any specifics about this article lends intense credence to the idea that it is something you are aware you are blowing intensely out of proportion, but since you have no other proof of the lying media, its what you stick to. Also, unless the story was based off of the picture (lemme guess, it wasn’t), what it sounds like is that the reporter didn’t take a camera operator with them for this story, and so used a representative picture that they made up to look like a local picture, without using said picture as the basis for anything. Essentially meaning you are calling fake news over the equivalent of using clipart.

            The right wing propaganda engine was a deliberate effort by the Reagan government to repeal the fairness doctrine, thereby allowing the toxicity of extremist right wing viewpoints vomited directly into the ear of a populace who were ill equipped to recognise it as lies. It was stoked by the creation of personality driven fact free news sources like fox, and later by white hatred spewing news aggregates like Breitbart. It creates fake news and white hatred, without anything productive made.

            Why would dead people being on the register be a problem that needs correcting? What is the problem here? What problem is it actually, factually, causing? Not what could it cause, not what you think it causes, what are the real problems that are caused by it?

            Yes, Democrats winning because of dead voters is a common lie used by Republicans, dating back to Richard Nixon in 1960, who, being a crazy and paranoid psychopath, raved that JFK engaged in voter fraud to win. Because Republicans will use the excuse of voter fraud to limit voting for Minorities and to purge registries of legally registered voters, no, it is not in Democrats interests to prove Republicans are lying about dead voters.

            You are entirely talking about stopping minorities voting, since that’s what these lies about “voter fraud” are all about, stopping real people voting Democrat. Tell you what, when Republicans engage in a voter fraud investigation that would ONLY remove Republicans from voter registrations, and propose solutions to voter fraud that would ONLY stop Republicans voting, then I’ll believe that they think voter fraud is real,

          • Andrew Mason

            Oh wow that’s a long response. Since you amuse me I might deign to reply.

            The SPLC has non-profit status, but that’s not the same as not getting money. The SPLC have oodles and may lose their charity status in the near future due to their politicking. And yes they do make money off attacking non-violent groups – I mentioned the FRC before. And no the alt-right don’t go around running over people. On the other hand the ctrl-left seem to enjoy attacking people in vehicles so perhaps that could explain some accidents.

            Because Antifa is the #1 violent hate group in the West at present. Oh sure ISIS is more likely to kill someone, but they’re a minor player compared to Antifa. Obviously this doesn’t hold true in the Muslim world.

            And more insults. Don’t they say something about a need to resort to insults reflecting intellectual limitations? Can’t say I’ve encountered many folk as discourteous as you so it’s not a quote I’ve bother to memorise, but I digress. You assume the folk donating money care about the groups the SPLC is targeting. If the SPLC made up groups they would be called upon it, but labelling groups the Left hate as hate groups makes sense to the Left. And no I don’t need a victim complex, I can just look at attacks against Christian groups – another in the news today actually.

            You’re talking Democrats right? Actually I’d like the SPLC to be honest, but I don’t expect that – they’d lose too much money!

            Of course I can claim ignorance. Since when did the KKK have their own newspaper? Do you subscribe?

            So you’re saying Jesus approves of sex with children? He never explicitly mentioned that. And did he mention murder or kidnapping? Have to check. The fact Jesus failed to mention specific English concepts seems to be grounds for doing them according to your logic. Sadly for you that’s not the case. Jesus was a Jew living in Jewish culture. They had standards and Jesus supported what the Torah taught!

            Seriously? It’s the turning away from God that’s the issue, not the the intermarriage. If intermarriage is a problem then why was Rahab Jesus’ ancestor?

            No clue what you’re on about, but more insults. Just how old are you by the way? I’m pretty sure you’re supposed to be over 18 to participate here.

            Bingo. And there we have Stalinism in action. If you do not mindlessly kowtow to the Left you cannot be a sentient human and do not belong in society. A perfect demonstration of totalitarian logic, but no so good for an American. As an aside, there’s plenty of imbecilic left-wing academics that should never have been employed.

            You seem to have a curious hatred of Republicans, and an inability to distinguish between party and ideology. As for what you’re doing to me, that’d be resorting to streams of insults and tangents. Pretty standard fare for the Loony Left, not so useful in coherent debate.

            Can’t claim to be information literate? Gosh that bit of paper I have moldering away in a cupboard somewhere would suggest otherwise. It’s a tad hard to complete particular post-grad courses and fail information literacy. Interesting you mention Breitbart. It’s not my primary source of info, in fact it’s way down the list, nor something I read every day, but they occasionally have stories not released elsewhere. I don’t need Breitbart to see issues though.

            Didn’t see the need. Try Googling homophobic posters in Melbourne. You should get a hit. Try to avoid Hard Left sources though – I’m not sure they’ll note the fake news angle. No the reporter went looking for homophobic posters and couldn’t find any. Since there were none to be found, and they needed to show some for their story, they grabbed a photo from an international site – I think I read it may have been a random US image, and superimposed their homophobic poster. Because they found no proof for their story they had to concoct it instead. 100% fake news. Note too that origin of the claim is an anonymous ‘friend’ who sent an image to an activist who tweeted about a (singular) homophobic poster. By the time the TV station ran the story it was posters (plural) and yet nobody has actually found any of the reported posters. Frankly you’d be safer saying everything Trump says is 100% true.

            What right-wing propaganda engine? I think you’re confusing your Left and your Right.

            Registered voters means people can vote in those names. Hard to track fraud that way.

            It’s only a lie if it isn’t happening, and Democrats don’t want an investigation to determine whether or not it is a problem. See the issue? In essence Democrats are saying trust us there’s no problem. That’s fine if you vote Left, but anyone right-of-left won’t buy that argument.

            Who said anything about stopping minorities voting? I’m talking about preventing dead people voting and other fraud. Don’t you agree that’s fair? I’m perfectly happy to agree that denying minorities the right to vote is unconstitutional etc. The fact you believe that only Republicans engage in voter fraud, that removing only Republican voters would solve the fraud problem shows just how one-eyed you are.

          • David

            Look, we can logically prove that everything you say about the SPLC is wrong.

            Look, there are only two outcomes here – You are right, and the SPLC picks on groups for no reason, or you are wrong, the SPLC only label actual hate groups, and you are so mired in your persecution complex that you will believe anyone who claims to be a persecuted city.

            Now, you’ve already admitted that you believe there is a conspiracy against Christians and will believe anyone who tells you so. Therefore, by immutable logic, you must therefore support the group because their lies fed into your persecution complex, and therefore everything you said about the SPLC is wrong.

          • David

            Yes, right wing hate purveyors are trying to silence the SPLC, but hyperpartisan racists attacking a group who fight racists does the opposite of proving they are hateful and racist.

          • David

            You mentioned the hate group FRC before, but when did the SPLC make any money off of correctly calling the FRC a hate group? You missed the part where you gave any evidence for your crazy lies.

          • David

            And here we have another lie, where you are claiming that a terrorist running over Heather Hayer in Charlottesville didn’t happen. Do you make a habit of denying right wing terrorist atrocities?

          • David

            No, the number 1 violent hate group in the US is the Republican party, it’s just that the SPLC are too respectful of right wingers and will not label them what they are. Meanwhile, according to accounts of victims of alt-right hate in Charlotte, the Alt left are, in civilian bystanders so, guardian angels and protectors of the innocent. And of course unlike The alt right, the Alt left saved victims in Houston. The only people who fear or hate Antifa are right wing terrorists. So that’s another sign of what you really are.

            I do not insult you, I accurately describe you. Just look at your argument here. You claim that the SPLC would be called out on it if they made up groups. They’d also be called out if they accused groups of being hateful with no evidence. But you are stupid enough to believe things with no evidence. So logic dictates that everything the SPLC says is true, and you are defending hate groups.

            And again you have it backwards. They aren’t called hate groups because the left hates them. The left hates them, because they are hate groups. You see the difference here?

            And subscribing to a news source that searches for any inconvenience a Christian group faces and tries to blow it completely out of proportion, while ignoring all news of suffering by other groups, is a sign of a victim complex. There’s no proof in the real world for your delusion, so you need to seek it out.

            No, the party that is soaked in racist rhetoric, which is the only reason they carried the south, which is full of hateful racists, are the Republicans.

            Yes, if the SPLC were honest and said the modern Republican party is simply a hate group with no redeeming fwatures, that would be nice. But unfortjnately, they try too hard to appease hateful eight wingers who demand to not be called racist.

            No, see, I know the KKK has a newspaper because the news talked about it endorsing Trump. If you subscribed to any news that wasn’t just feeding your victim complex, you’d have heard of it.

            Intercourse with children is not and will not be a debate outside of churches that encourage priests to molest childeen. As for murder, he told us to turn the other cheek.

            No, Jesus was God. He could see all of time and knew how important his words are. If you had faith, you would know this.

            Right, and sleeping with a man while you are married to a woman is bad because it means you are cheating on your wife. See how context you ignore changes things?

            Yes, if you are mindless and a danger to other people, you do need to be isolated for your safety and the safety of others. We accept this for all other significant mental deficiencies, and we should recognise it with consetvatosm, another delusional mental illness that makes you aggressive, deranged and violent. See? You are paranoid, thinking that Christians are under attack, with no basis, so you seek out delusions that reinforce your madness.

            Yes, and if an academic is imbecilic, and actually imbecilic, not just rightfully pointing out that conservatism is wrong, they are removed from the job. That’s what merit based employment does. It’s why meritless conservatives are not hired.

            I hate Republicans because I am aware of history, and that their ideology is hate and greed. You can’t separate the party and the toxic ideaology.

            I love the hypocrisy of deriding insults, then using the phrase loony left. You lose even by your own low standards.

            And it’s really not hard to e ignorant of current events and still have basic competence in other areas.

            Yes, right wing terrorist rag Breitbart do lie about things that the media will not reprint, and people who are themselves nazis will seek these stories out.

            So your only basis for the News being fake is an Australian paper used an American homophobic poster? So leaving aside that Bill Leak proves the homophobia in Australian print, you have no American examples of the man being misleading? Oh look, yet another time you couldn’t find any evidence of your delusions in America.

            I explained the right wing propaganda engine to you, you are just too blind to recognise it.

            By “Hard to track” you mean “there is no evidence of this whatsoever happening”. You could also use secret mind control beams in the chemtrails to commit voter fraud, but it will never happen outside of crazy people’s heads.

            No, we know it is not happening. It has been proved it is not happening. That’s why we know there were only 4 cases of voter fraud in the 2016 election, all done by Trump supporters. Republicans want to still investigate a problem that isn’t happening. And they do that because this is not and never will be about voter fraud, it is actually about voter suppression.

            Yes, I know you are too cowardly to talk openly about whay you really want, so you use dogwhidtle racism. However, I know you are lying, and the only reason Republicans would want to try to fix a problem that doesn’t exist is to suppress minority voters, in order to rig elections.

          • Andrew Mason

            Hmmm tried responding and it glitched. Lets try again:

            RoFL. You are full on deluded. Yes I read some of the comments of those ‘civilian bystanders’. The non-violent Hard Left applauded Antifa’s physical attacks on lawful rally attenders because their status as ‘white supremacists’ counts as violence. When you believe that ideas count as violence, and you justify real violence you’re beyond the pale.

            Actually you repeatedly insult me but it seems to be akin to a nervous tic for you. You simply can’t help but attack someone you consider to be Right. You were the one to claim the SPLC would be called out if they made up groups not me. As for accusing groups of being hateful without evidence, not really. They simply look for content they can spin as hateful then claim they’ve found hate. Don’t support LGBTIQ demands? Well obviously you’re a bigot and if you make any comments about it the SPLC uses them to defame you. They refuse to tolerate people disapproving of a homosexual lifestyle choice but support people opposing anyone or any organisation whose ethos precludes supporting it. It’s a blatant double standard but the Left doesn’t really care about facts. The fact is the SPLC is now America’s biggest hate group. The good news is they may be in legal trouble. Is it too much to hope the courts take them to the cleaners? Probably but we can hope 🙂

            Except the groups in question aren’t hate groups so can’t be called hate groups because of their non-existent hatred. See the problem? So the only explanation is that the Left hates them – which they quite obviously do, and thus claim the groups are the very thing the left is demonstrating.

            Which news source are you talking about? And why assume I subscribe to whatever this source is?

            What racist rhetoric? If the Republicans are so racist then why isn’t the MSM, which clearly hates them, reporting on it? Seems like a flaw in your reasoning.

            Eight wingers? lol. And if the SPLC did indeed target the Republican Party – an act which I actually think would be interesting, it’d make clear that they’re a purely political entity. If you’re on the Right they deem you hateful, if you’re on the Left then you can commit war crimes without being deemed a hater.

            And if you subscribed to any news source that didn’t feed your delusions you’d know that elements of the KKK supported Hillary. See 2 people can play this game.

            Why? Scripture clearly says homosexuality is wrong, and yet you contest this. I agree sex with children is wrong, but what basis do you have to claim this? If you ignore clear thou shalt not type prohibitions how can you oppose paedophilia since opposition to that is based on implication not explicit prohibition. Does turning the other cheek apply in every case? What of when Jesus took a whip to others? What of when Jesus told His disciples to get a sword? And what of the OT?

            No idea what this is in reference to. Yes Jesus is God, but I’m genuinely surprised we have any agreement on this issue. Then again Satan knew this to be true too, so I guess it doesn’t mean as much as it should.

            And I have no idea what this is reference to. Both homosexuality and adultery are bad. Not really sure how context affects anything.

            Oooh Stalinism at its finest! X kind of people are mentally deranged therefore need to be locked up for the benefit of the state. I wonder if this is why I’ve heard other say liberalism is a dangerous mental issue? Wonder what would happen if it was added to the DSM? Would certainly help the revenue of psychiatrists!!! As an aside, it’s not paranoia when you really are under attack.

            Actually it seems like so long as you’re a liberal you can be a drooling idiot. There are rare exceptions – that professor who was fired for making a comment about the hurricane being deserved for instance.

            That’s curious. Are you aware of the history of the Democrats? Racism, greed, slavery, big business, hatred, … They have a toxic ideology. Do you vote 3rd party?

            Do you identify with the Loony Left? See I commented about your penchant for insulting me, your apparent need to insult me rather, and yet you take umbrage when I tie such behaviour to a discrete element of politics. Self identification perhaps? Oh don’t get me wrong I’m definitely tossing out the odd smart alec comment, but it’s not quite the same thing e.g. better to have low standards than no standards at all and feel it my right and responsibility to insult and denigrate everyone I consider to be wrong.

            I’ve never met one of those. Do they even read Breitbart? I was under the impression they hated Jews, and yet Breitbart is pro-Jewish. Might want to brush up on your history, and Breitbart. lol

            My only basis? Not at all, merely the latest and most blatant example I’ve read about. And it was actually a TV station not a newspaper that dummied up the image. Quite a different thing. The newspapers merely reported on the claim of there being homophobic posters as if it were factual rather than fantasy. As for Bill Leak, how does he prove homophobia? His Waffen SSM cartoon for instance is a brilliant piece, and an all too accurate depiction of the current situation. The Waffen SSM crowd are all too willing to protest and violently attack those attempting to attend a meeting at a church then claim to be the victims of vehicular assault for instance. The media tends to sympathise with them, and yet actual footage proves the blatant lying happening. No surprise of course. As a side note, the meeting had been cancelled because of threats by the violent crowd outside, but not everyone got the message in time.

            No you never explained the propaganda engine, you just think you did. Of course it does tend to be hard to explain something that doesn’t exist. Feel free to try though.

            No I mean nobody is checking to see if fraud is happening. If you don’t look you won’t see. The Democrats refuse to allow anyone to check for fraud. Whether that’s because they know fraud is happening and would lose power if it were eliminated is something I’ve seen folk suggest but I don’t know enough about to have an opinion on. Definitely a disturbing thought that they’re so corrupt that they’d rely on corrupting the democratic process to preserve power though.

            Actually we do know fraud is happening – busloads in fact. Consider Sara Sosa who voted in 4 elections after her death. It’s not just dead people voting though, it’s also vote harvesting that’s a problem. Since fraud is a problem it merits an investigation. Democrats know this but don’t want an investigation. Could it be because they know what will be found?

            RoFL. So I say equality and you read inequality and dogwhistle politics. Ever stop to think perhaps you’re the racist since everything you’re accusing me of is based on the premise that my innocent comments really mean something sinister? And while you may ‘know’ that I’m lying I do wonder just how big a fool you’ll feel where you to know just how waaaaaaaaaaaay offbase you are. As an aside, since voter fraud is a real problem, the only reason the Democrats would oppose efforts to restore integrity to the rolls is in order to rig elections. If they genuinely cared about integrity they’d simply co-operate with Republicans and share oversight of the various projects to assess fraud and restore electoral integrity to the nation. The fact that oppose electoral integrity demonstrates they don’t care about it, merely ensuring they gain and retain power.

          • David

            Ah yes, here we have your attempts to defend right wing terrorists by claiming that the residents of charlotsville that Antifa defended were all actually protesters, so it doesn’t count. No, Actually, they were residents. Of course the right wing fascists intense violence towards protesters was well documented, with in addition to running over Heather Haye r, one shooting at a protestor while screaming the n word, and others beating a black man with poles in a parking garage. However, other typical right wing behaviour, like trying to burn down a synagogue, was also stopped by Antfa. They were very busy, opposing right wing fascist hatred all day.

            Again, I don’t insult you. I merely tell you the truth. But you hate the try. The truth burns away all the warm lies you surround yourself with. So you fight against the truth and call it one up.

            And here we have it, you are flat out admitting they are hate groups and you are a hateful person. So we know that everything the SPLC said was true, it’s just that you don’t agree that lgbtq people deserve rights or dignity. Just like the KKK doesn’t believe minorities deserve rights or dignity. So we’ve proven that these groups, and you, are entirely worthy of being lumped in with the KKK. Thank you for proving my argument.

            Also, I like how you think that opposing a hate group, but not opposing people who oppose a hate group, is a double standard.

            And now your intense persecution complex has warped reality to the point that you think an organisation with 254 people is the biggest hate group, because you think that they are persecuting you, and nothing else matters.

            But Andrew, you proved those groups are hateful just last paragraph. Don’t you remember how your argument clearly showed they are exactly as hateful as the KKK? Besides, the claim that the left hates them for no reason is yet another sign of you being paranoid and delusional. Assuming people persecute you with no motivating factors. So that’s example 300 million for the persecution complex, with no evidence whatsoever of your proof to justify this insanity.

            I say you subscribed to this news source, because you are currently on I. The Stream is an example of just such a website. If they weren’t, they wouldn’t try to excuse hate groups under the guise of “Christian persecution”.

            Yes, so this is yet more proof that the idea the media is based against the right wing is a fascist delusion, created likely by Richard Nixon, who was filled with hate that the news proved what he did was criminal. Since then, every Republlican has attacked the media nonstop, and the media has bent over backwards to portray Republicans in the best light possible while sticking to the facts. It’s just that if you use any amount of facts, Republicans are revealed for the monsters they are.

            And no, you have it backwards again. If you are hateful and bigoted, you like right wing policies more. You see how that works? Oh and, both W. Bush and Trump are war criminals in real life, not n hypothetical, and yet the SPLC still won’t call the Republican party a hate group.

            No, I remember a single instance of one KKK member lying about that while failing to name any policy of Hillary’s they liked, versus Trumps platform David Duke could list by heart because he adores it.

            No, your racist viewpoints claim homosexuality is wrong and you use the bible to justify your hate. That doesn’t mean that’s what the bible says.

            I think molesting children is wrong because I am a person, and I have a functional understanding of what is right and wrong without having to be told so. I’m not a complete sociopath who would be out murdering people if the bible didn’t tell me that’s wrong. Unlike you.

            Yes, Jesus dis chase out the moneychangers in the temple, just as he would despise evangelical megachurches. And what exactly does buying a sword to hasten Jesus’s crucifixion have to do with not turning the other cheek? Have we forgotten to return your sword to its place, and that he who lives by the sword shall die by the sword? Of course you did, because you ignored all context yet ahain to justify a position you wanted to take.

            Yes, the satanic idol you worship, constructed of your hatred and greed, you do cal that Jesus. But I know the real Jesus is God.

            No, adultery is a sin, and you want homosexuality is a sin. Just as turning from god is a sin, and other hate groups want interracial marriage to be a sin. You see the point yet?

            Yes, I know that to the completely insane right wingers, sanity looks like insanity. But there s an easy way of telling which is right and which s wrong – which is based on denying reality. Right wingers deny global warming, claim that sharia law is being imposed, search for flimsy evidence that Christianity is under attack, and believe in trickle down economics. So it’s a complete denial of reality – they are clearly insane. And as an aside, if no-one is out to get you but you keep screaming they are, you are a delusional paranoiac.

            And of course, the right winger can’t understand people pointing out he is wrong, and so thinks anyone who does so is a drooling idiot.

            Yes, I am aware that before 1964, when Republicans instituted the Southern strategy based off of LBJ signing the civil rights act, the two parties were reversed, wirh Democrats back then pandering to the hateful South. However, since we live after the Southern strategy, fail to see how that is relevant.

            Oh, so you are admitting you self identify as full of hatred and a complete idiot?

            Really? Breitbart is pro-jewish? Please link for me their glowing and praise filled profiles on Chuck Schumer or George Soros. Or do you mean that they are actually toxically anti-Muslim?

            I like how despite supposedly having so much evidence to back up the bias, you couldn’t name a single other example, or any in America.

            And Bull Leak shows how reality works in the mind of someone with impaired mental faculties. His Waffen SSM is a good example of what a person who had a stroke thinks it is like. You agreeing with him just shws once again your complete insanty.

            I know you think facts bouncing off your thick skull is the same as not proving them, but try to keep up. I mentioned how Reagan got rid of the fairness doctrine, which allowed insane right wing fact free bile to pollute public discourse and media, with hateful and stupid people eating it up because it told them what they wanted to hear.

            No, they are checking to see if voter fraud is happening. It’s not. Because this was never based on facts, you refuse to accept that it’s not, and scream that it is. You demand that we investigate until we get the result you want, reality be damned. Because you know that voter suppression is the only way your views could ever succeed, is something I have seen others suggest. But we agree it is disturbing that Republicans corrupt the Democratic process like that.

            Sara Sosa is a common name. With one simple fact, I have completely destroyed all “evidence” you have of voter fraud. Heres a very simple explanation – when two people with similar names live in an area, and one dies, the registry doesn’t know or care which of them is which, just that one is voting.

            As for voter harvesting, if Republicans wish to outlaw the right wing propaganda engine telling mentally disadvantaged right wingers how to vote, Democrats would support that. But since this is about Republicans corrupting Democracy, Republicans won’t do that. Fraud provably isn’t a problem, but Republicans still insist it is. Probably because they know that voter suppression is their only means of holding onto power.

            And I like how by this point you abandon any pretense you care about evidence. You go from we need to know if voter fraud is real and a problem, to just screaming that it is. Looks like I was 100% on the money about everything I said about you.

            And once again, Democrats would be happy to share oversight in imposing these restrictions on Republican voters only, if Republicans really cared about electoral integrity and not rigging so. Use these measures just on Republicans to see if instancrs og voter fraus decrease. Ig they do, then Democrats will admit that voter fraud is real. But Republicans know voter suppression limmitted to Republican voters would cost them power, so that will never happen.

          • David

            Ah yes, here we have your attempts to defend right wing terrorists by claiming that the residents of charlotsville that Antifa defended were all actually protesters, so it doesn’t count. No, Actually, they were residents. Of course the right wing fascists intense violence towards protesters was well documented, with in addition to running over Heather Haye r, one shooting at a protestor while screaming the n word, and others beating a black man with poles in a parking garage. However, other typical right wing behaviour, like trying to burn down a synagogue, was also stopped by Antfa. They were very busy, opposing right wing fascist hatred all day.

            Again, I don’t insult you. I merely tell you the truth. But you hate the try. The truth burns away all the warm lies you surround yourself with. So you fight against the truth and call it one up.

            And here we have it, you are flat out admitting they are hate groups and you are a hateful person. So we know that everything the SPLC said was true, it’s just that you don’t agree that lgbtq people deserve rights or dignity. Just like the KKK doesn’t believe minorities deserve rights or dignity. So we’ve proven that these groups, and you, are entirely worthy of being lumped in with the KKK. Thank you for proving my argument.

            Also, I like how you think that opposing a hate group, but not opposing people who oppose a hate group, is a double standard.

            And now your intense persecution complex has warped reality to the point that you think an organisation with 254 people is the biggest hate group, because you think that they are persecuting you, and nothing else matters.

            But Andrew, you proved those groups are hateful just last paragraph. Don’t you remember how your argument clearly showed they are exactly as hateful as the KKK? Besides, the claim that the left hates them for no reason is yet another sign of you being paranoid and delusional. Assuming people persecute you with no motivating factors. So that’s example 300 million for the persecution complex, with no evidence whatsoever of your proof to justify this insanity.

            I say you subscribed to this news source, because you are currently on I. The Stream is an example of just such a website. If they weren’t, they wouldn’t try to excuse hate groups under the guise of “Christian persecution”.

            Yes, so this is yet more proof that the idea the media is based against the right wing is a fascist delusion, created likely by Richard Nixon, who was filled with hate that the news proved what he did was criminal. Since then, every Republlican has attacked the media nonstop, and the media has bent over backwards to portray Republicans in the best light possible while sticking to the facts. It’s just that if you use any amount of facts, Republicans are revealed for the monsters they are.

            And no, you have it backwards again. If you are hateful and bigoted, you like right wing policies more. You see how that works? Oh and, both W. Bush and Trump are war criminals in real life, not n hypothetical, and yet the SPLC still won’t call the Republican party a hate group.

            No, I remember a single instance of one KKK member lying about that while failing to name any policy of Hillary’s they liked, versus Trumps platform David Duke could list by heart because he adores it.

            No, your racist viewpoints claim homosexuality is wrong and you use the bible to justify your hate. That doesn’t mean that’s what the bible says.

            I think molesting children is wrong because I am a person, and I have a functional understanding of what is right and wrong without having to be told so. I’m not a complete sociopath who would be out murdering people if the bible didn’t tell me that’s wrong. Unlike you.

            Yes, Jesus dis chase out the moneychangers in the temple, just as he would despise evangelical megachurches. And what exactly does buying a sword to hasten Jesus’s crucifixion have to do with not turning the other cheek? Have we forgotten to return your sword to its place, and that he who lives by the sword shall die by the sword? Of course you did, because you ignored all context yet ahain to justify a position you wanted to take.

            Yes, the satanic idol you worship, constructed of your hatred and greed, you do cal that Jesus. But I know the real Jesus is God.

            No, adultery is a sin, and you want homosexuality is a sin. Just as turning from god is a sin, and other hate groups want interracial marriage to be a sin. You see the point yet?

            Yes, I know that to the completely insane right wingers, sanity looks like insanity. But there s an easy way of telling which is right and which s wrong – which is based on denying reality. Right wingers deny global warming, claim that sharia law is being imposed, search for flimsy evidence that Christianity is under attack, and believe in trickle down economics. So it’s a complete denial of reality – they are clearly insane. And as an aside, if no-one is out to get you but you keep screaming they are, you are a delusional paranoiac.

            And of course, the right winger can’t understand people pointing out he is wrong, and so thinks anyone who does so is a drooling idiot.

            Yes, I am aware that before 1964, when Republicans instituted the Southern strategy based off of LBJ signing the civil rights act, the two parties were reversed, wirh Democrats back then pandering to the hateful South. However, since we live after the Southern strategy, fail to see how that is relevant.

            Oh, so you are admitting you self identify as full of hatred and a complete idiot?

            Really? Breitbart is pro-jewish? Please link for me their glowing and praise filled profiles on Chuck Schumer or George Soros. Or do you mean that they are actually toxically anti-Muslim?

            I like how despite supposedly having so much evidence to back up the bias, you couldn’t name a single other example, or any in America.

            And Bull Leak shows how reality works in the mind of someone with impaired mental faculties. His Waffen SSM is a good example of what a person who had a stroke thinks it is like. You agreeing with him just shws once again your complete insanty.

            I know you think facts bouncing off your thick skull is the same as not proving them, but try to keep up. I mentioned how Reagan got rid of the fairness doctrine, which allowed insane right wing fact free bile to pollute public discourse and media, with hateful and stupid people eating it up because it told them what they wanted to hear.

            No, they are checking to see if voter fraud is happening. It’s not. Because this was never based on facts, you refuse to accept that it’s not, and scream that it is. You demand that we investigate until we get the result you want, reality be damned. Because you know that voter suppression is the only way your views could ever succeed, is something I have seen others suggest. But we agree it is disturbing that Republicans corrupt the Democratic process like that.

            Sara Sosa is a common name. With one simple fact, I have completely destroyed all “evidence” you have of voter fraud. Heres a very simple explanation – when two people with similar names live in an area, and one dies, the registry doesn’t know or care which of them is which, just that one is voting.

            As for voter harvesting, if Republicans wish to outlaw the right wing propaganda engine telling mentally disadvantaged right wingers how to vote, Democrats would support that. But since this is about Republicans corrupting Democracy, Republicans won’t do that. Fraud provably isn’t a problem, but Republicans still insist it is. Probably because they know that voter suppression is their only means of holding onto power.

            And I like how by this point you abandon any pretense you care about evidence. You go from we need to know if voter fraud is real and a problem, to just screaming that it is. Looks like I was 100% on the money about everything I said about you.

            And once again, Democrats would be happy to share oversight in imposing these restrictions on Republican voters only, if Republicans really cared about electoral integrity and not rigging so. Use these measures just on Republicans to see if instancrs og voter fraus decrease. Ig they do, then Democrats will admit that voter fraud is real. But Republicans know voter suppression limmitted to Republican voters would cost them power, so that will never happen.

          • Andrew Mason

            You double posted so I’ll ignore your #2.

            All residents? Certainly not. As far as I’m aware most residents wished the out-of-towners went elsewhere. I commented on what I’d read of so called civilians – actually protesters associated with Far Left identities. Last I heard the car accident was still being investigated, though the driver was identified as a chap on anti-psychotics since he was at school. He may not be responsible for the fatality. Haven’t read anything about any of that. Articles I’ve seen said Antifa viciously assaulted and blocked law abiding rally attendees.

            I don’t think you know what the truth is. I’m all for truth, but truth is based on fact not fiction.

            Actually I said that Left hates and transfers their hatred onto other groups because they refuse to tolerate them. Bit like the Third Reich deeming Jews hateful I guess. Hmmm actually that’s not a parallel I’d considered before. Might want to mull over that one, but I digress. I’m not really sure the SPLC would recognise the truth if they ran into it. Yes the KKK may be screwy, but they’re not beyond help – there’s a Black chap who’s been striking up relationships with members for years and acquired some good friends. He also has quite a collection of KKK junk now too. As for LGBT folk not deserving rights and dignity, that’s not the debate, the issue is whether Christians, and other like minded souls are permitted their rights and dignity. The SPLC holds that religious orientation is not a protected status, and that any individual or organisation that advocates Biblical values is guilty of hatred. Total logic disconnect but that’s never stopped them before.

            The double standard is the designation of a group as a hate group to justify the Left’s hatred and demonisation of it. If the Left didn’t hate they would not be a hate group.

            Given the MSM and other organisations rely on the SPLC hate lists yes yes I think they are the biggest hate group. Basically judge and jury with other parties being the executioner.

            The Left hates them for espousing Christian values. To paraphrase Christ – the World hates you but know that it hated me first. No surprise, but not fun either. 300 million?

            I read sites like the Stream, sure but that doesn’t mean subscribe. And if you hate The Stream so much why troll here? Note too I read a variety of sources – both Christian and not. Interesting that you admit that The Stream points out Christian persecution which others claim as hate groups.

            Really? So academia, which displays a left-wing skew, when analysing the media and reporting that it has found a Left or Far Left skew – depending on subject, is the product of a fascist delusion likely created by Nixon? You aren’t a left-wing conspiracy nut are you? I’d assumed we could agree on the concept of facts, even if we differed on what they were, and now you’re making me nervous.

            RoFL!!! Sorry but Obama is the one who should be up on charges, and Hillary. And I’ve no issues if the SPLC went after the Republican Party, it’d reveal what we already know – that they’re the political attack dog of left-wing billionaires and not representative of mainstream America. Note this assumes that there’s no foreign donors. As for hateful and bigoted preferring right-wing policies, again lol! You have that so far backwards it’s really not funny. When you are copying the SA playbook, advocating racism, discrimination, bigotry, hatred and all the rest you don’t get to call your side righteous, not unless you’re prepared to deny reality. Sadly the Left is, and they’re dragging entire countries down with the e.g. the UK Conservatives imposing transgender indoctrination aka child abuse on kids etc.

            Wait, so now racism=homophobia? RoFL! What race are homosexuals? And if Black folk object to homosexuality are they racist? What if homosexuals oppose the homosexual agenda, are they racist, homophobic or both? And yes the Bible clearly says homosexuality is wrong – homosexuality is an abomination, murder is wrong, or perhaps you’d like to claim that the Bible doesn’t mean what it says what it means? You really should consider the implications of your argument though lol.

            I’m a sociopath now am I? And you’re a qualified psychiatrist? Pretty sure you need at least one session to diagnose someone, but hey the Left never lets inconvenient things like facts get in the way of an argument. And you might want to brush up on your Greek history – pederasty was an honourable practice. Sure the Bible may imply it is despicable, but hey you’re the one arguing against Scripture.

            Why would Christ oppose megachurches? The Temple was the focus of the entire nation – effectively a megachurch in its own right. And why would purchasing a sword hasten Christ’s crucifixion? Jesus commanded Peter to sheathe his sword so that things could proceed, but did not speak out against weapons etc. He who lives by the sword shall die by the sword isn’t a prohibition against violence, but acknowledgement that what comes around goes around.

            That’s … sad. You’re so blinded by hate you can’t even see what you’re saying. I have expressed no hatred, no greed – those are your unsubstantiated accusations, and yet you claim I worship them. By contrast you’ve reviled me from the start. Judge for yourself whether that sounds more like the conduct of the Pharisees of Christ. Note too that while you claim to know the real Jesus your conduct doesn’t demonstrate that – I’ve seen more civil discourse from Atheists. If those who deny the existence of God are more Christlike that you what does that say about your walk?

            You’re a tad incoherent here and I’d prefer to avoid guessing your meaning so no no I don’t get your point.

            Actually I’m unclear on whether those who reject the faith of the climate change fundamentalists are right-wing or left-wing. Since skepticism is more prevalent on the Right you may be correct, but without support for your claim you could quite easily be wrong. As for the imposition of Sharia Law, that’d be no go areas, Islamic policing, Islamic courts etc. Sharia Law may generally not have official standing, but that doesn’t preclude defacto support. As for searching for flimsy evidence of Christianity under attack, I don’t need to search when the stories are right in front of me. The only delusion is rejecting observable reality.

            And of course, the left winger can’t understand people pointing out he is wrong, and so thinks anyone who does so is a drooling idiot.

            You might want to find a dictionary and double check the meaning of smart alec – it has nothing to do with hatred, something you seem obsessed with.

            So you can only be Jewish if you’re Left or Far Left? The Zionist Organization of America seem to be keen on Bannon for instance. Of course they don’t seem to be Far Left so perhaps they don’t count?

            You didn’t ask for more, and you’re making assumptions 😀

            Wow that’s a new low! Attacking Leak of the basis of mental impairment, and suggesting he’s had a stroke. You really are a good Stalinist! Given the parallels between the SS and the homosexual militants – violence, vitriol, death threats etc, it’s is entirely appropriate and widely supported. The Far Left dislike it of course, but then the Far Left support the Waffen SSM and hate to be called to account for it.

            Given your obvious skew I take it that you want the fairness doctrine back so as to ensure that only insane left-wing fact free bile is permitted to be broadcast? There’s plenty of hateful and stupid people soaking it up of course – just look at HuffPo!

            Actually Democrat states are refusing to co-operate with the federal government’s investigation into voter fraud. Curious that! And you’re the one insisting on the required outcome, I’m saying the investigation is justified. And actually the agreement is it’s disturbing that the Democrats seek to corrupt the democratic process.

            What fact? Seems like you’re too lazy to even check the facts though, or allergic to them – I suspect the latter. And any voter database needs to identity each unique voter or else the data is invalid it’s really computing 101.

            Actually the issue would be ignorant or slack voters handing over their vote, not folk being convinced on how to vote. Of course the Democrats are only interested in the ‘right outcome’ so don’t really care. Democrats oppose any investigation into fraud and claim that since there’s no proof there can be no fraud. Chicken and egg problem really. So long as Democrats keep their head in the sand there’s no problem in their view. Of course if a third party took advantage of the system I’m sure they’d scream blue murder!

            Actually I went from a claim to an example of evidence. You don’t care about facts though so long as your preferred party wins. Makes for a good little party person, not so good for America. Keep trying to convince yourself that your delusions about me are real though, it’s actually kinda amusing – sad but amusing.

            And again you’re assuming only Republicans can do wrong. That’s … not even remotely logical. Democrats and independent voters will have defective data too. The fact you’re insistent that only Republicans be struck off the rolls shows you’re really not interested in elections, or democracy, merely ensuring that the correct party is in power. You have blind faith in the Democrat Party. While that may be appropriate in a Stalinist, or a Maoist if you prefer a Chinese example, it’s not reasonable in an American.

            加油 🙂

          • David

            Yes, the residents certainly did want the torch wearing mob of far right fascists to just leave their community alone. Which is why they were grateful that the Antifa were there to protect them from right wing maniacs and monsters. You see how this works? You have the violent right wing fascists, and the left wing anti-fascists who oppose them. The residents hated the former, and were thankful for the latter. Clearly, you support the former. Which is why you are making excuses for those running over peaceful protesters – excuses you would NEVER extend to anyone who isn’t a violent right wing maniac.

            Yes, the truth is based on facts. And facts are facts, regardless of how well they support your right wing ideaology. See, thats the thing that caused the rights war on facts – you feel the need to protect your viewpoint even after the truth shows how wrong it is.

            Yes, the left hates these groups that persecute and victimize minorities, such as homosexuals, just as the left hated the right wing fascists in WW2 who persecuted and victimized minorities, including homosexuals. Homosexuals, immigrants, Jewish intellectuals and elites, communists, and trade unionists. The Third Reich’s enemies in WW2, and the right is still persecuting those groups today. I’m glad you can see that we hate your kind now for the exact same reason we hated the Third Reich back then. So yes, the third Reich slandering Jewish people in WW2 is pretty similar to the way that you slander the SPLC, but its more akin to the way you slander homosexuals. You slandering the SPLC is more like how the third Reich slandered FDR as he was fighting to free people from the third Reichs holocaust.

            Also, what exactly does the KKK being accurately labelled a hate group have to do with people IN the KKK not being totally redeemable? Let me spell it out for you – the people that Kamau Bell (I assume he’s the one you’re referring to – incidentally, he is also aware that the Republican party as a whole is built on nothing but racism) talked out of going to the Klan, no longer go to the Klan. The group is still hateful, but the people who aren’t in it, and are no longer practicing the hateful rhetoric the Klan is built on, are no longer purely racist. Just like how the people who quit this hate group and stopped engaging in homophobic practices, would no longer be homophobic. You see how that works?

            No, the debate is about you feeling you have the right to strip other people of their rights because you don’t like other people having rights. You want special rights that override other peoples rights. People have the right to not be discriminated against because of their identity. You don’t get to demand the right to ignore their rights because you hate gay people. That’s giving you more rights than other people, and you don’t get that. Do you understand? You can’t just give yourself the power to ignore other peoples rights just because you lie and scream that its a part of your religion.

            Now, if you could find a Muslim who is denied a job because their boss hates Muslims, that would be an example of religious orientation not being respected. And, would you look at that, the SPLC does speak out against groups that practise that. So, looks like your claim they don’t respect religious orientation is another complete and total lie.

            Here’s the bottom line – homophobia is not a religion, no matter how loud and how long that you scream that it is. And your attempts to pervert and ruin Christianity by saying it is built solely on homophobia, racism and hatred, and that it is impossible to be a Christian without being hateful towards those who are different, that doesn’t make it true, and it doesn’t mean that your homophobia, hatred and racism are protected.

            Right, its only a double standard if we assume that your warped little mind is right. If it is wrong, and that they are fully justified in calling these groups hateful, there is no double standard. Do you get it?

            So you think that a group is hateful if others listen to them. So you are admitting that the Republican Party is the number one hate group, given how many people listen to the lies and filth they spew out attacking innocent people?

            If the left hated people who espoused Christian values, then why would the left elect men like Barack Obama, a lifelong and proud Christian? Of course, I’m sure that, to get around that little fct that short circuits that argument, a hate group would start lying and say that, despite all evidence, Obama is not a Christian. But what group could be so filled with total, despicable racist hatred that they would claim that?

            I come here because I fight the evils and stupidity of conservatives who are trying to ruin Christianity. And yes, The Stream does claim that any inconvenience faced by a hate group that claims to be Christian, is christian persecution, because they are a lot more interested in reinforcing this narrative of victimhood and persecution than passing along facts.

            Right wing academia, which is a thing that exists out of necessity even if far righters continue to insist that it isn’t, has found that the news does lean more to the left wing, mainly because the news, by its very nature, deals in facts, and facts, by the left wings very nature, support the left wing viewpoint. Here, let me lay it out. A left winger will look at the facts, and use said facts to come up with a viewpoint, and a solution. A right winger, will come in with a viewpoint and a solution,a nd then scream that the facts need to support that viewpoint, no matter what. No matter what the facts say, they will never ever let go of their viewpoint, and will search for anything, no matter how dubious, to support it. Look at climate change denial, supporting deregulation, lowering taxes on the rich, or this delusion of Christian persecution – the facts never support it, so you seek out whatever sources do support it.

            Ah yes, the inner fascist inside every right winger is shining through. Lock up any who dare to oppose the right, and don’t even bother supplying charges, or evidence. No, see, the things Trump and W. did were actual war crimes, advocating pillaging of natural resources, carpet bombing, and torture. You lying about what Hillary and Obama did doesn’t make them guilty of war crimes.

            So you think that attacking the Republican party, which is merely the puppet of right wing billionaires and hateful monsters, would reveal anything other than that the Republican party is the puppet of right wing billionaires and hateful monsters? You see, once again you continue to prove that you know that everything you said about the SPLC is a lie, and they are 100% justified in their decision. So if, according to you, the SPLC labelling a group incorrectly (HAH) as a hate group would make everyone see that they’re just some eeeevil group like you imagine, that therefore proves that they are correctly labelling groups. So, even your own insane delusions prove that the SPLC is correct.

            Ah yes, the mention of Saul Alinsky, which is up there with George Soros for the boogeymen that right wingers turn to to fuel their delusions when they notice that what they are saying is utterly insane. I notice that you somehow managed to not notice that what you think Saul Alinsky adovacted has no resemblance to anything he wrote. Well, I suppose its to be suspected of a right winger, never being informed about anything.

            And I like that you continue to insist, over and over, that you persecuting minorites is totally righteous. Persecuting minorities wasn’t righteous when the Third Reich dd it, it wasn’t righteous when the KKK does it, and its not righteous when you do it. Do you understand that yet? You don’t get to claim you’re not like those same groups if you don’t ever change your targets.

            Wow, so you are literally so dumb you have no frame of reference for why bigoptry is bad beyond “it just is, bigotry against black people is bad”. And you are incapable of understanding that bigotry against homosexuals is wrong, and think that because they aren’t black, it can’t be bigoted. And you even fail to actually find bigotry against black people repugnant, since thats what most of your modern political ideaology is based off of. And then, of course, your appeals to tokenism – the last, and only, line of defense the right wing has against their bigotry being pointed out. Yes, when black people are homophobic, it is bigotry. I know this is hard for you to understand, because of your intense persecution complex, but other people than you do get called out for bigotry. THey just know how to act like adults, not whine forever about it.

            Yes, in your mind, homosexuality is forbidden by the bible, just as in a klansmans mind, black people marrying white people is forbidden. And they are just as certain of their delusional hatred being justified as you are. Do you understand this? Just because you change your delusional hate to another group, that doesn’t make it correct. But you already knew that, because the bible also calls a man cutting his beard to be an abomination, just as much as Homosexuality, and yet, you somehow don’t seem to think that theres a radical shaving agenda that needs to be opposed by screaming raving lunatics. Because that would mean you don’t get to persecute people.

            I’m pretty sure that you don’t need an intensive psychiatric assessment to know that a man who has no form of understanding that other people who are different than himself have thoughts and feelings, is a sociopath. And as for pederasty, I was unaware that Jesus was actually born in the year 146 BC. See, I thought he was born a week before we switched from BC to AD. I bring that up, because that is the only possible reason that you could be stupid enough to think Christ would have to talk about Pederasty, a practice that died out with the end of the Greek empire. For a timescale. See, thats kind of how time works – it always goes forward. Something conservatives really despise.

            No, to see speaking out against Scripture, we need to look at the amount you do to ignore what Jesus said, and all the context that goes with it, in these few sentences. You don’t think that after Christ chased the moneylenders out of the temple, he would be against these megachurches that turn religion into a business? You ignore the context of buying a sword, to make it look to the Romans as if they were rebelling? You ignore that Jesus told them two swords was enough, and ignore the context that Jesus said he who lives by the sword shall die by the sword, as Peter slashed Malchus to protect Jesus, and that Jesus tells him that he should not use violence even then? You ignore all of this scripture, speak falsehoods about the very incidents that led to Jesus’s death, and you claim that anyone else is denying scripture? What kind of hypocritical heretic are you?

            No, see, you’ve repeatedly denied, over and over again, that you don’t worship hate. But your actions prove you do – if you didn’t, you wouldn’t ever try to defend a hate group. You see how that works? See, your lies don’t become truth when your actions prove they are lies. And if groups that are atheists are more likely to be advocates for the poor, the sick and the downtrodden, yes, what does that say about you and your ideology?

            You doubt that, with the Republican president appointing a climate change denier to head the EPA, who right now is claiming that these two once-in-a-lifetime storms weren’t the result of climate change, that climate change denial is anything other than a right wing problem?

            For no go areas and all the other fantasies and delusions, yes, you do have screaming maniacs telling you those things are real, because that feeds your stupid little persecution complex. However, people who know those actual areas, like the mayor of london, are quick to point out these no go areas are just delusions of a sick mind. Like when racist whites believe that an area is a no go area and they will be killed if they go there, just because there are black people there.

            And because I know your brain is tiny, let me spell this out for you – Australia is not right in front of you. The fact you needed to dig up a story from the other side of the earth from you, proves that you are seeking out things to confirm your delusional fantasies because you know that observable reality proves its a lie. Hence why you need to defend a hate group, since thats the only kind of “Christian” organisation that faces any kind of opposition (notice that the YMCA doesn’t get opposed or sued in any way despite having Christian in the title. Gee, wonder why that is).

            You hooting and screeching and throwing your feces, before gibbering in trained talking points, is not proving me wrong, so I fail to see where my assessment of you is incorrect.

            Yes, I said that Breitbart is very pro-killing Muslims, which the Zionist group is also very much in favor of. Now, I repeat, where is their high praise of Chuck Schumer and George Soros, two of the most prominent Jewish men in politics, who also do not heavily favor killing muslims? See, that would be the actual disproof of the idea that Breitbart is highly antisemitic, but just more anti-Muslim. Oh, it doesn’t exist? So Breitbart is exactly what I said it is, a right wing fascist rag? Well how about that.

            And you’re still refusing to give any examples. Because you do not have any.

            Bill Leak fell off the roof, landed on his head, and needed brain surgery. This is an objective fact of the mans life, and you can see his turn towards fascist subject matter after the accident.

            Yes, there is a distinct parallel between the right wings treatment of homosexual activists, and the third reichs treatment of homosexual advocates, the same use of violence, vitriol, propaganda and slander. The rights wings treatment towards LGBT people hasn’t changed since then, I see, always victimizing those who are different.

            And here we see the major problem – we have two different definitions of facts. My definition of a fact is “things that are true”. Your definition of a fact is “whatever helps reinforce my own twisted and warped worldview”. See, now we can see the problem. Becauyse the fairness doctrine would do nothing to get rid of my version of facts, but since your version of facts have no basis in reality, of course they would be removed.

            Right, Blue states are not participating in this blatant attempt at voter suppression, which has never once showed anything to suggest this is about anything other than voter suppression. Because again, Democrats do not want Republicans to stop minorities from voting under the poor disguise of claiming to fight voter fraud. And once again, you are screeching that, despite all evidence, this investigation is justified. It isn’t. You just want it anyway, because that justifies your viewpoint. The absence of evidence that you are right is not the absence of evidence. We still have all of this evidence that you are wrong. And no, the message from the right wing propaganda network has been thats its wrong for Democrats to oppose suppressing voters. From actual voters, it has been very different.

            The fact that different people can have the same name. A fact that seems to have eluded you. No, actually, that would be police state 101 since that is directly letting them know precisely who voted for what, which undermines the basic anonymity that is at the heart of our democratic process. I understand that its hard for a right winger to distinguish between a police state and an ideal state, what with you all being fascists at heart.

            Yes, I agree, ignorant voters handing over their votes to the Republican party is a huge issue that needs to be stopped, but I don’t see Republicans really trying to stop ignorant voters from being misled to vote Republican.

            And once again, you have it backwards. See, there is plenty of investigation into voter fraud. There’s just absolutely no evidence to support it. You, quite mistakenly, think voter fraud is real, and because you are incredibly dense, will never ever ever believe otherwise. So, because there is no evidence to support your lunatic position, your brain just imagines that because nobody has investiagted it. Its similar to someone insisting that Unicorns must be out there, because we just don’t have enough evidence, since none of the evidence found supports that unicorns are real. Except its more like if someone lied about thinking Unicorns are real as an excuse to deny minorities voting rights.

            Since we’ve already established that you think “facts” means “things that support my worldview, regardless of if they are true or not”, then yes, I do not care about your lies you use tp support your worldview. Of course, you have an utter contempt for the truth, since it disagrees with so many of the things the party tells you to believe

            See, here’s a little thought experiment to test whether Republicans actually care in the slightest about voter fraud, or whether this is entirely just about suppressing Democratic voters – make sure that everything they propose only applies to Republicans. Democrats know voter fraud doesn’t exist in any meaningful way, so there is no reason they should have to cooperate with this charade. But Republicans claim voter fraud is real, so they should try to test whether its real, using their voters. If they are telling the truth and this will only stop voter fraud and not stop anyone who is legitimately trying to vote, then there would be no downside – they could use those stopped fraudulent voters to build some evidence to support their currently evidence free platform, and try to woo Democrats over, and to convince people this isn’t about just suppressing votes. But, they won’t ever do anything close to that, because this is 100% about suppressing Democratic voters with absolutely no evidence. You see? We just look at what someone would do if they were telling the truth, and that shows why Republicans lie.

  • tether

    Seems to me the SPLC should be held accountable to any damages to the Ruth Institute.

  • David

    “But the job of the Ruth Institute is healing the effects of family breakdown, not denigrating homosexuals”

    No, it CLAIMS it’s job is healing family breakdown, in the way the KKK claims their job is celebrating white heritage. Because they are cowards who lie about the evil they do.

    Do you get how this works?

    • Andrew Mason

      So you mean a bit like the SPLC who claim to be about identifying hate, but are really about identifying the Right and persecuting folk with the wrong view? Or like the MSM who claim to be neutral reporters of fact, but are really preaching their ideology and peddling left-wing views? A recent case from down-under had senior-management having to remind staff that they couldn’t push the homosexual agenda as the organisation is officially neutral. Not sure what if any effect the reminder had – half rabid instead of fully rabid perhaps?

      • David

        See, the difference is that both of those examples, their stated agenda is the same as what you describe. The SPLC identifies right wing hate groups who actively oppose disadvantaged minority groups, which is both wrong, and the defining feature of the American right. The news is objective and stick to the facts, and the facts state that Republicans are monsters with no links to reality or sanity and who always do the worst thing.

        See, it’s only your being a whiny baby who refuses to do any self examination that says there is a difference between the two.

        • Andrew Mason

          No. The SPLC identifies groups it doesn’t like, then calls them hate groups. Yes the KKK may merit that label, but groups that espouse Christian values do not. To classify Christian teachings as bigotry is itself a demonstration of intolerance. No the news is not objective nor does it stick to facts. There is a demonstrable bias – most journalists skew Left, and there may be more Far Left journalists than non-Left journalists! And how can you call a story “objective” or “sticking to the facts” when it is based on lies and photoshopped footage which doesn’t even pertain to the area in question?

          The fact you resort to insults, and a flagrant denial of reality makes me think you’re trolling.

          • David

            No, your paranoid mind has it backwards. See, what happens is, the SPLC identifies hate groups, and then, because they are hate groups, they do not like them.

            The KKK also says they represent Christian values, since the bible forbids the mixing of races according to them, just as it is against lgbtq people according to homophobes. You are the one insisting that your warped, homophobic reading of the bible is the only correct one, just as the KKK insist their warped racist read of the bible is the only correct one. Do you understand it yet? The bible is not homophobic. You are homophobic, and vomit your hate onto the bible.

            Yes, it is true that since intelligent and honest people who care about facts are more likely to be ledtists, that more journalists are leftists. This is because the truth and the right wing do not mix.

            Yes, stories based on lies, like calling BLK a hate group or claiming that voter fraud is a problem are not objective or try. That’s why only the right wing propaganda engine does this.

          • Andrew Mason

            You have a fascinating inversion of logic. The SPLC identifies innocent groups, smears them, and when they protest the attack, the SPLC shrugs and claims they don’t like the spotlight. For an intellectual exercise try imagining the SPLC identifying the Democrat party as a hate group – they’ve supported slavery, treason, and various other disgusting things. I presume you’d be sympathetic to the Democrats if they protested their innocence? Of course since they’re Left rather than Right there’s no chance of them appearing on the SPLC’s radar, but it might be amusing to hear your take on the exercise.

            Sure okay. Hitler mouthed Christian ideas too. Your point? Anyone can claim anything, the issue is whether their arguments, and actions, stack up. In the case of the KKK’s argument that mixing of the races is forbidden, what then of Jesus? His ancestry is mixed. And what of the likes of Timothy – a halfbreed. From memory he was the son of a Jewish mother, a Greek father. If his nature was so abhorrent why is there no condemnation? Why are there passages saying there are neither Jew nor Gentile, and about how husbands should treat their wives (and vice versa) but nothing pointing out there is a divide between the races which should not be bridged? Contrast that with passages which say homosexuality is an abomination – OT, or the culmination of rebellion against God (NT). Clear and unequivocal. Not sure how you can conflate the two. Frankly you’d have a better chance of arguing for pederasty than homosexuality.

            That’s a … creative statement. Are intelligent and honest people more likely to be leftists? I don’t recall hearing either claim before. What is generally claimed is that university indoctrinate folk are more inclined to vote how they’ve been taught. There are quite a few post-grads that vote Right for instance. As for truth and the Right not mixing, my own observations seem to suggest the reverse. The left-wing media is so desperate that they fake entire stories. As mentioned, a recent story that took an image from an international site, added a digital poster to it, then claimed it was a local problem. In short zero facts, 100% lie.

            BLK? What is BLK? Do you mean BLM? As for voter fraud, that’s a demonstrable problem. I recall reading something recently about there being more registered voters than eligible voters. The Left’s ongoing denial that this is a problem is an indictment on them. Of course since Illegals are more inclined to vote Left it’s in their interest to deny any problems, and to oppose any attempts to identify the scope of the problem, let alone any attempts to restore integrity to elections.

          • David

            Yes, the big, mean SPLC is just seeking out these poor innocent groups who were minding their own business, not hurting anyone, and just decided to attack them for no reason, because they’re just mean. That is totally what an adult thinks and not the blubbering of a delusional person with a huge victim complex. Its amazing how quickly the party of personal responsibility turns into the party of “WAAAAAH! Those meany meanpants are picking on me for no reason, its not fair!”.

            See, the SPLC identifies hate groups, and then those hate groups claim innocence and tell lies that the SPLC is unfairly attacking them. Then stupid hateful people believe those lies, and those hate groups continue practising hate.

            Why would I explore this delusional hypothetical? You may as well ask “What if all of the fish got up as one and said they are all secretly dogs?” It cannot happen because it relies on a premise that doesn’t make any sense, that SPLC attacks group’s arbitraily, instead of going after hate groups. But lets try a realistic hypothetical. What if David Duke and the rest of the KKK all endorsed Donald Trump and threw their support behind him, saying he was a protector for white supremacist ideals in America. Oh sorry, did I say hypothetical? I mean fact, since that happened, and you voted for him anyway, alongside the KKK.

            Yes, lets look at what Jesus said. He said that we should welcome the downtrodden and tolerate and accept those different from us, and that he who is without sin, let him cast the first stone. We have nothing from him condemning homosexuality, and so much from him condemning those who would condemn others, with nothing from him against homosexuality.

            Now, the bible mentions plenty of examples of where mixing of the races should be punished by death – Phineas the Priest executes an Israelite who married a Midanite was punished by death. Deuteronomy 7 tells the Israelites to kill all inhabitants of Canaan, and to not intermarry with the women there. Deuteronomy and Acts tell us that God made the races seperate, and they should not mix. THese examples exist within the bible, just as your arguments against homosexuality exist in the bible. THey are repugnant and outdated ideas we should recognise as applying to their time, and not ours. But, hateful and stupid people will argue that their biases are backed up by scripture, and will take passages out of context while allowing their own sin. The KKK does it, and anti-LGBT groups do it. You see how this works?

            Since 1960, the right has dedicated itself to appealling to hateful, stupid impulses, largely through the Southern Strategy. Consequentially, their message and their platform don’t appeal to intelligent people with critical thinking skills. And because they have a victim complex, Republicans invented a conspiracy theory about how colleges indoctrinate people with left wing ideaology, because the truth, that independent thought and intelligence reveals that there are no good ideas in the Republican party, is not something they like to admit.

            Right, you are inundated by the right wing propaganda engine. You mindlessly eat up whatever sludge they produce, and will blindly repeat any lie they tell you. So, because you never learned to recognise facts, and only believe what the right wing propaganda engine tells you, when you notice the facts given don’t mesh with what you want to be true, you scream and cry and try to defend the lies that you hold sacred.

            So wait, your proof that the left wing media is a liar, is that they pointed out the local aspects of an international problem. So, this is based on you not being able to understand what the words local and international mean. That you can’t understand that your local is a very small part of the international.

            RIght, you read an article in the right wing propaganda engine that takes one fact with an easy explanation (here’s a hint – peoples names aren’t scrubbed off the registry when they die), and then skips any attempt to prove any of the things that would indicate that their narrative is true, just claiming that they are right anyway. See, we know that there are more registered voters than eligible voters. What isn’t proved, and is in fact consistently disproved over and over, is that anyone is using the voter names of dead people. So you see, this voter fraud idea is based on a lie. But its in the Republicans interests to lie and say that we need to restrict minorities from voting, since the less people vote, the better it is for them.

          • Andrew Mason

            You’re overlooking the profit margin – SPLC profit off other people’s misery. Just look at Charlottesville and how quick Apple and others where to offer millions of dollars and yet the SPLC won’t condemn Antifa.

            More like SPLC identifies another profitable target, the victims protest their innocence and claim the SPLC is unfairly attacking them, but the SPLC donors don’t care. Such stupid hateful people believe those lies and are more than willing to part from their money to support the SPLC hating the Right.

            No I wasn’t suggesting the SPLC is arbitrary – any conservative or right-wing group is fair game in their view. Also any actual hate groups they deem to be right-wing, but not left-wing hate groups. Which branch of the KKK? I understand Hillary had the support of the Californian KKK. Since I’m not a supporter of theirs I can’t be sure of the specifics. I do think it hilarious how you keep saying I voted Trump. Maybe I’ll explain why but for now keep insisting, it’s hilariously idiotic!!! RoFL.

            Actually Jesus spoke out against sexual immorality, of which homosexuality was a known subset. Unlike fornication or even adultery however it was a rare and despised form of sexual immorality in Jewish culture. As for condemnation, don’t conflate condemning individuals with judging whether activity is sin or not. Jesus did instruct His followers to judge.

            Nice out of context quote. From Deuteronomy 7 – You shall not intermarry with them, giving your daughters to their sons or taking their daughters for your sons, for they would turn away your sons from following me, to serve other gods.

            See the issue isn’t intermarriage, it’s turning away from God. Without a specific reference I have no idea what your Acts comment is about. There is no such passage where God said for the races to keep separate. Note too that race is an arbitrary category. The fact your KKK claims have evaporated has nothing to do with the passages about homosexuality. I presume the fact you insist on referencing “hateful and stupid people” or “repugnant and outdated ideas” means you’re an anti-Christian sort. See I do get how this works. If you don’t agree with me you’re a stupid evil bigot who deserves everything he gets. Not very nice logic though.

            I think you’re imagining things. Certainly it was the Democrats historically that ran on an unashamedly racist platform. And there’s no need to invent a conspiracy when the facts support the argument. Academics veer Left, and in Blue states, especially New England, trying to find a conservative academic is next to impossible – there’s no ideological tolerance. Since you claim independent thought and intelligence reveal the Republicans are devoid of good ideas I suspect you’ll claim the concept of a Republican academic, or a conservative academic is an oxymoron. Problem is that’s ideological thinking. The Right is too stupid to be employed as academics, therefore any would be academics who belong to the Right should not be employed as they’re too stupid to be employed. Apologies if you disagree, but I suspect I’m just preempting you.

            What right-wing propaganda engine? I browse around various sources for my news. Depending on the story I may even follow up for additional contentsources. And as it happens I am information literate, and do have some understanding of facts. Anyone can make a mistake of course but I’m open to different views so long as they aren’t rejecting reality. The worst of those offenders are pretty obvious though – brandnames and the like.

            Might want to check your comprehension. No my proof is not the local aspect of an international problem. I referenced a city specific story. The ‘proof’ of the story was a photo from another location – another country in fact, with content digitally added to it. If the story had any basis it should have been possible to source real imagery. They couldn’t find any proof of the story, so instead they created content for their fake news. Yes I’m using Trump’s phrase for that story. The official line was that it wasn’t fake news, but that it was a creative error.

            Who said anything about right-wing propaganda engine? I don’t recall the source, but the fact you assume it has to be so is … an interesting revelation of your bias, though not a surprise. Lets accept though that your premise is one problem. It is still a problem that needs correcting. Democrats are opposed to attempts to remove dead people. Who knows there are more registered voters than eligible voters? That’s a direct contradiction of facts stated elsewhere. And yes the claim that Democrats win because they get dead votes is common. Isn’t it in the interest of the Democrat Party to prove they don’t get such votes? As for minorities voting, that’s quite a change in topic. I also don’t recall anyone advocating such a policy.

          • David

            The SPLC is a nonprofit, you tiny tiny brained little monkey. THey don’t get more profit. They also don’t make more money from attacking nonviolent groups who never hurt nobody. THey get it from showing that alt-right groups are full of violent monsters who run over protesters with their car.

            Yes, I know that they don’t oppose a group called Anti-Fascists, who fight against fascism and hate groups. WHy is that a surprise?

            Yes, Stupid hateful people like you do believe the lies of hate groups and part with their money to defend these hate groups against the mean old SPLC. Here, try to rub two brain cells together – if the people who support the SPLC all noticed that the groups never did preach hatred, they would stop supporting the SPLC. If the people who support the SPLC didn’t care about evidence, the SPLC would make up groups. If they were actually hate groups the SPLC opposed, but claimed they weren’t and hid beihnd lies, then we would be in this exact situation, because you have a huge victim complex and will support any villain so long as they claim CHristianity is under attack. THINK! YOU CAN DO IT, SMALL BRAIN! THINK!

            Yes, the party that has fully jumped on board stoking racist hatred has the ideological support of racist hate groups. Why do you think this is surprising? You think the SPLC should lie and claim that a vegan cooking group is a hate group just to make your fee fees better?

            Very cute. I’m talking about when the KKK newspaper supported him. I know that you think you can pretend to be ignorant on this, but even you couldn’t be that dumb.

            Right, Jesus spoke out about sexual immorality, but not homosexuality. If it was important, then he would have mentioned it. He is Jesus. He would know that His word would be of such importance that if something were relevant for the world to know it is wrong, he would have talked about it. Just like he never talked about Abortion, so we know that’s not a problem.

            Right, intermarriage would lead to turning away from god, because it is evil in the eyes of god. Its completely in context just as the bible is written, and just like another passage in Deuteronomy, is used by hateful monsters to try to twist the bible to support their agenda.

            No, the fact you tried desperately to spin away those passages, and couldn’t (you didn’t mention Phinehas, you snivelling, cowardly little lying weasel) has everything to do with showing how your bigotry about LGBTQ people has nothing to do with CHristianity and the Bible, and everything to do with you projecting your own hatred.

            Yes, up until 1964, Democrats were racist. Then, the Southern Strategy was put in place, Democrat LBJ siged the Civil Rights act, and Republicans became unbelievably, unashamedly racist to win votes, to the point MLK decried that the GOP and the KKK were married at the Cow Palace in his Letters from Birmingham Jail.

            Now you’re just inventing a conspiracy theory. There are no right wing academics in blue states for the same reason there are no chimpanzee academics in blue states – because someone who flings their own feces around as a method of communication does not have a place in teaching people. Academics veer left for the same reason that people with masters of electrical engineering veer towards people who do not try to lick wall sockets.

            Its not idealogical thinking, its simple qualification based thinking. A man who wants to be seen as respected within his field has to be able to construct an argument that others cannot easily tear down. Republicans do not have the mental faculties to build arguments that others cannot tear down – look at what I am doing to you. If a Republican had the mental fortitiude to create that kind of an argument, then they would notice that the concept of trickle down economics is obviously completely wrong, and would no longer be a Republican. NO-one is ever fired for being Right wing, the Right wingers are too objectively stupid to ever qualify. See the difference? Its completely merit based, and Republicans have no merits whatsoever.

            You can’t claim to be information literate if all of the media you consume is simply swill barfed from pigs feeding at the same diseased trough. Multiple sources all repeating the same lies they read off of Breitbart don’t get more truthful or based in reality.

            The fact that you are not giving me any specifics about this article lends intense credence to the idea that it is something you are aware you are blowing intensely out of proportion, but since you have no other proof of the lying media, its what you stick to. Also, unless the story was based off of the picture (lemme guess, it wasn’t), what it sounds like is that the reporter didn’t take a camera operator with them for this story, and so used a representative picture that they made up to look like a local picture, without using said picture as the basis for anything. Essentially meaning you are calling fake news over the equivalent of using clipart.

            The right wing propaganda engine was a deliberate effort by the Reagan government to repeal the fairness doctrine, thereby allowing the toxicity of extremist right wing viewpoints vomited directly into the ear of a populace who were ill equipped to recognise it as lies. It was stoked by the creation of personality driven fact free news sources like fox, and later by white hatred spewing news aggregates like Breitbart. It creates fake news and white hatred, without anything productive made.

            Yes, Democrats

            Why would dead people being on the register be a problem that needs correcting? What is the problem here? What problem is it actually, factually, causing? Not what could it cause, not what you think it causes, what are the real problems that are caused by it?

            Yes, Democrats winning because of dead voters is a common lie used by Republicans, dating back to Richard Nixon in 1960, who, being a crazy and paranoid psychopath, raved that JFK engaged in voter fraud to win. Because Republicans will use the excuse of voter fraud to limit voting for Minorities and to purge registries of legally registered voters, no, it is not in Democrats interests to prove Republicans are lying about dead voters.

            You are entirely talking about stopping minorities voting, since thats what these lies about “voter fraud” are all about, stopping real people voting Democrat. Tell you what, when Republicans engage in a voter fraud investigation that would ONLY remove Republicans from voter registrations, and propose solutions to voter fraud that would ONLY stop Republicans voting, then I’ll believe that they think voter fraud is real, and not an excuse for voter suppression.

  • David

    “Silencing people relieves the identity politicians and sexual revolutionaries from the effort of having to defend their ideas.”

    No, that’s the effect that crying about being called racist and hateful has on people pointing out hate and intolerance. You refuse to defend your ideas, because being expected to defend your ideas is somehow persecuting you.

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