An Interview With Rev. Samuel Rodriguez on the Migrant Caravan and How Christians Should Respond

By James Robison Published on November 2, 2018

Rev. Samuel Rodriguez recently spoke with The Stream founder James Robison about the caravan of migrants on their way to the United States border. Pastor Sam is Senior Pastor of New Season Christian Worship Center in Sacramento, California. Reverend Samuel Rodriguez, a prominent Latino faith adviser to the White House is also President of the National Hispanic Christian Leadership Conference, an author and speaker. He is recognized as “one of America’s leading Christian and Latino voices and as the leader of the Latino Evangelical movement.”

James Robison: Can you tell me what you believe America must hear about what’s happening with this caravan? How should wise, caring Americans see it and respond to it?

Pastor Sam Rodriguez: Let’s lay it out. Let’s outline it.

1. We are a sovereign nation. As a sovereign nation we not only have a mandate, we have a responsibility and a clarion call to protect our borders and protect the sovereignty of our nation. We are not anarchists. We cannot embrace the idea of lawlessness or chaos.

2. 14,000 people headed toward our borders without an invitation from the United States of America is a recipe for chaos. It’s a recipe for confrontation that can and should be avoided.

Let me explain. I do believe the vast majority of individuals coming up are good-hearted people. But, they are good-hearted people being exploited by political operatives from Honduras. We are privy to the fact that a leftist leader in Honduras initiated through social media the first caravan. So the purpose and timing of it to coincide with the mid-term election is not in any way a coincidence. There is an intentional political objective behind this caravan coming up at this precise moment.

Yesterday border officials reported 70 percent of those coming are not women with children, they are single men. This is critical. These are individuals that have the physical wherewithal and fortitude to seek employment if not in Honduras or Guatemala, in Mexico.

3. The Mexican President offered them asylum in Mexico. He said, “If you can work, we want you to come to our country and work. If you are fleeing poverty, you can come and work here in Mexico.” Mexico is not as impoverished as Honduras or Guatemala. Honduras is one of the most impoverished nations in the western hemisphere, right next to Haiti. The Mexican government offered asylum and as of yesterday, only 2,000 of the 14,000 accepted. So there is a political objective here that stems from political operatives in Honduras and Central American countries that I personally believe have an objective to embarrass President Trump and his administration.

James: Could they have been assisted or encouraged in any way by the liberal, leftist, socialist mindset here in the USA? Is that even possible?

Pastor Sam: I don’t have anything to substantiate the idea, but it wouldn’t surprise me. One more time, there are women and children. There are innocent people — people who just want a better day for their family, but it’s not all of them!

The Mexican Ambassador in the past 48 hours confirmed on NPR that the Mexican government has fully confirmed there are violent individuals amongst those involved and embedded in the caravan. So the idea that 14,000 angels are coming up to the border, that’s a misnomer. The idea that 14,000 demons are coming up to the border, that’s a misnomer too.

The fact of the matter is, the vast majority of them are good people looking for a better day, but they are coming here the wrong way. If you want to seek asylum, come with your family and present your case to a legal port of entry. But do not bombard our border and then say, “Come hell or high water we are coming in — legally or illegally.” That’s not the way to seek asylum in the USA in any shape or form.

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I have compassion for those that are coming in that have viable asylum or refugee imperatives that drive them. For those, my heart breaks. I would have loved for those individuals to have sought asylum the legal way and not in a mass of 14,000 additional individuals where there may be some criminal elements embedded. And right now we’re so conflated that it would impede our bureaucracy from handling them appropriately through the vetting process.

Regarding the caravan — does the President have every right to send troops to the border? Yes! As a matter of fact he not only has every right, we as Americans should have every expectation that our commander in chief will protect the sovereignty of our nation.

We are privy to the fact that a leftist leader in Honduras initiated through social media the first caravan. So the purpose and timing of it to coincide with the mid-term election is not in any way a coincidence.

James: As surely as we have to protect our own homes from wrong individuals coming into our homes, the nation is also our home and we have to protect it. The biased media tries to make it look like lack of compassion. It wouldn’t be lack of compassion if you kept a trespasser or a pedophile or some dangerous person from coming into your home. The same thing applies to the nation.

Pastor Sam: Absolutely. But as a Christian leader who has worked with several presidential administrations, I really want to reconcile the rule of law with our compassion. I don’t believe it’s either or.

James: Protecting the innocent is compassion too!

Pastor Sam: Even protecting the immigrant community in America from those coming in who may not have the best of objectives.

Here’s the point — the Mexican government offered asylum. If the 14,000 are seeking a better day for their families — I would argue the vast majority are. If they are seeking a better day and employment and a viable economic stream for the well being of their family, I hear that side and it breaks my heart.

But the Mexican government has said, “We’ll help you. Come into Mexico right now.” The moment you continue to come up north and you do not accept the offer … if you are naked and the first person says, “I’d rather continue to be naked, because I want someone else’s clothing,” then we have issues. The objective is no longer to be clothed, or to receive the appropriate attire or clothing. The objective here is something different.

James: If you allow foolishness to organize you, even if you’re a needy person to come into an area that you perceive is one that can alleviate your suffering, but you come in such a way as to disrupt that person’s property or stability and security and ability to produce income opportunities, you have just blown away your own hopes by your foolish attempt to come in the wrong way. You’ve damaged the whole potential for anyone’s improvement. That’s common sense.

Pastor Sam: Don’t come here illegally. Not a question mark or comma. Don’t come to America illegally. If you are legitimately fleeing persecution of any sort, come to our port of entry legally, not in masses or caravans.

The president has made a very powerful, affirming declaration that I thought was very redemptive. He said if these individuals do come in illegally, we’re going to take care of them better than they probably experienced in their country as we process them. (Not in “catch and release.”) We will process them and make sure they are healthy, properly clothed, given every single ounce of human dignity they deserve because they are human beings. I commend and applaud him for that. That’s the sort of rhetoric I would like to hear more of from both sides of the aisle… 

I am in favor of legal immigration. I am in favor of Ronald Reagan’s admonition and exhortation, “Yes, if we build a wall, we will build some amazing doors where people can come in legally at our discretion as a nation.” Meaning if we need to tweak the numbers to reflect our socioeconomic needs in particular sections of our economy — construction, agriculture, services industry and so forth. I want us to continue to be a nation open to the immigrants, and I do agree it should be more merit-based, but not exclusively.

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  • Paul

    “Don’t come here illegally. Not a question mark or comma. Don’t come to America illegally.”

    Agreed! Shouldn’t those already here illegally be removed also?

    • Emilie Wolf Elizondo

      Read section 208 of the immigration code. If they are legitimate asylum seekers they are allowed to apply for asylum regardless of their status or how they entered. they just need to do it within one year. Asylum law differs than the rest of immigration law. The USA is the one attempting to break the law.

      • Paul

        No crime in keeping the horde out in the first place. Any true asylum seekers would have done so in Mexico. By refusing Mexico they have shown their true intent has nothing to do with seeking asylum.

        • Emilie Wolf Elizondo

          Yes, actually, it is a crime to keep the “horde out.” The government is breaking its own law and a couple of treaties if it does not allow them to apply for asylum.if the numbers are an issue, then we need to come up with an orderly solution to fulfill the law. The administration needs to figure out how many migrant families they can humanely and orderly process daily and possibly open up temporary (humane) processing and holding facilities. They need to initially process the migrant asylum seekers and categorize them based on the legal priority levels. Then they need to allow them to go through the asylum process. If need be, the government can enact a policy to cap the number of asylum applications they will accept per day, or month, or per country. There is no cap, only a yearly cap on the total number per year of approvals they will grant.

          If these people are simply coming to the border and asking for asylum peacefully, there is no legal reason we can justify closing the border and treating it as an invasion.

          Do you really think Mexico has the security and ability to prevent the gangs from Honduras from following these families and harming them? These gangs are vengeful, powerful and they have the ability to infiltrate Mexico.

          And as I said before, if they are at our border, we are charged with allowing them to apply for asylum. If we do not, we don’t have an agreement with Mexico to take them. If we outright deny them without the due process we are in violation of our own laws.

          • Paul

            They are already in Mexico, Mexico already ‘has’ them. Mexico has offered the horde to stay, some accepted (those truly seeking asylum) but most refused the offer, it is well known the better welfare checks are to be had in the US.

          • Emilie Wolf Elizondo

            Mexico is almost as bad as where they came from in terms of violence. do some reading on the issue.

          • Paul

            Quite the stereotype, there are millions of good people in Mexico.

          • Emilie Wolf Elizondo

            Look up the statistics and read some articles. I’m only trying to explaon why the migrants might have decided to continue on instead of stopping in Mexico. These are statements based on statistics and their words, not mine.

          • Paul

            Are you claiming the horde is doing statistical analysis? Yea right.

            I get it, you clearly think so poorly of the country of Mexico, but they have a stable country, speak the same language as the horde and have offered them to stay there. That is how asylum works. Problem solved.

            Now if the goal is to immigrate to the US there is a process for that as well, a legal process, not sneaking or forcing across the border or overstaying a visa. My parents went through that process when I was a child, submitted all the paperwork, paid the fees, answered all the questions, waited as needed, and then eventually things were approved and we immigrated to the USA, became permanent residents and when the privilege was available went through the process to be naturalized citizens.

            The horde wants a better life in the US, I totally get it, I lived it. My parents wanted a better life in the US too. The difference is we and millions of others did so by adhering to the laws of the USA, didn’t try and force our way in and make demands. Immigration and asylum are two very different things that you, the horde, the Ds and the media are conflating.

          • Pedro


          • Emilie Wolf Elizondo

            You want them to follow the law or proper procedures, then I’m trying to explain to you what those procedures are. If you don’t like them, ask your reps to write new ones. I want the same thing you do, you just don’t seem to care if our gov’t breaks the law. I also think our government needs to reform our laws and figure out how to efficiently and humanely enforce them. But you still aren’t getting that there is not just one process. If you want the migrants to obey the law, shouldn’t the government do so as well? And if the law is not working, then we need to update it, not subvert it.

            I have a relative in border patrol. One of his jobs was to help migrant asylum seekers that he encountered (within our borders.) they would feed them, give them water, a blanket, make sure they got help if they were sick or injured. Then take them to a processing facility. One of the forms they initially fill out is to request a hold on any deportation proceedings, so they can begin the asylum application process. That is the proper paperwork, whether they are at a border or found in the Texas desert. The govt can’t say whether a person has a legitimate asylum case until they go through that process. You seem to think they can figure that out when no interviews or paperwork have been done and they haven’t even gotten to the border yet.

          • Emilie Wolf Elizondo

            You seem to have done a whole lot of interviews with these migrants because you already know which ones are which.

          • Emilie Wolf Elizondo

            IPlease go on the USCIS website, NOLO, the Texas Tribune and some immigration lawyer websites also have good articles that summarize these issues. It can be confusing and innacurate if you don’t know which parts to read, which ones go together or modify each other, or you don’t know the legal definitions of the terms.

            Im done here. This comments section is devolving.

          • Emilie Wolf Elizondo

            I’m not talking about who “has” them. I’m simply trying to explain what our law says if they show up at our border. And also explaining why Mexico is not safe for them.

          • Paul

            How is it that Mexico was safe enough for those who accepted Mexico’s offer but not safe for the rest?

          • Emilie Wolf Elizondo

            I don’t know, ask them maybe?

          • Paul

            You’re the one making the claim that their lives are in serious jeopardy in Mexico, the burden of proof is on you and the responsibility to address that threat in Mexico is the Mexican national and local law enforcement.

          • Emilie Wolf Elizondo

            I’m only repeating the information shared by the migrants, Mexican officials, aide workers, lawyers, and other people who have experience with this issue. Yes, Mexico needs to address their problems… and our government needs to follow our own policies as well. just because Mexico has not done so doesn’t mean we should subvert our own law. And to ignore the problems in Mexico and tell the migrants to go back there would be against our law. typing messages on here is not going to magically make them stay in Mexico. If they get here,we have to process them.

          • Paul

            “I’m not talking about who “has” them.”

            Actually you were in saying we don’t have an agreement with Mexico to take them, when in fact they are already in Mexico.

          • Emilie Wolf Elizondo

            You’re really not getting my point.

        • Emilie Wolf Elizondo

          And by the way, a lot of them did accept mexico’s offer.

          • Paul

            Yes, I already acknowledged that, they are the ones actually seeking asylum. The rest are of the false impression they can shop for a better deal.

          • Emilie Wolf Elizondo

            The only way to determine who has a legitimate case is for them to enter the US and go through the proper procedures. Trump is trying to block them from even accessing the process before they even apply. You seem to think that the government has omniscient knowledge of their case before they even have an initial interview. Trump’s administration is outright breaking the law and also trying to institute oppressive and possibly unlawful barriers to prevent them from even presenting themself for consideration. And I already tried to explain to you the reasons that migrants may not feel safe staying in Mexico. These reasons are corroborated by lawyers, aid workers and even Mexican authorities.

      • Pedro

        Read it. But it does not seem to apply to the caravan. “Section 208 of the Immigration Code” states “The burden of proof is on the applicant to establish that the applicant is a refugee, within the meaning of section 101(a)(42)(A) . To establish that the applicant is a refugee within the meaning of such section, the applicant must establish that race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group, or political opinion was or will be at least one central reason for persecuting the applicant.”
        Are the caravan organizers stating that these people are being persecuted? There are no words in Section 208 that allow for just anyone to cross our border as an asylum seeker if they are simply seeking a more prosperous life than the one they have been living in their own country. If they cannot establish persecution due to race, religion, nationality, membership in a particular social group or political opinion, by definition they are not the ‘legitimate asylum seekers’ you infer that they are. If any can prove persecution (see the above list) they may be allowed entry. They are not guaranteed entry. They have no legal standing to cross our border without an invitation from The Secretary of Homeland Security or the Attorney General. If they try to cross the border anyway, they will be the ones attempting to break the law, not the U.S.A.

        • Emilie Wolf Elizondo

          None of what you are asserting is true. I will try to find a better article to explain it to you. But if yuh read the beginning of section 208, it states they can apply for asylum whether they enter through a designated port or not. And in terms of applying for asylum, you cannot even apply for it from outside the US. It must happen within our border. The US doesn’t have to invite them. That’s not how the process works.

  • hWayvos

    amen. bravo… except your last paragraph. industries that need them. i wonder if the millions in usa living off welfare were shut off, then they would have to take those jobs that some say immigrants are needed for?

  • disqus_CcpvKT4r2m

    They are all law breakers just by coming here and crossing our boarder illegally. It cost the American tax payer 70,000 dollars per person for everyone who comes here illeagally

    • Kathy Donley

      One more time for those at the back: It is LEGAL LEGAL LEGAL to apply for asylum. No laws are broken by anyone presenting themselves at a port of entry and pleading to be heard. It costs the American taxpayer a lot more under the current administration because instead of processing people at the border, the government is flying them all over the country to put them in prison and hold them months or years until their asylum hearings can take place. That did not happen under previous Republican or Democratic administrations.

      • disqus_CcpvKT4r2m

        You have to apply for asylum in the first country you come to which is not America, so they are in fact invaders willfully intentionally on purpose breaking our immigration laws making them an enemy of the state.

        • Emilie Wolf Elizondo

          Not true. Read section 208 of the immigration code. Mexico and USA don’t have an agreement about this. We only have an agreement with Canada.

          • You are ignorant!!! You are ignoring the facts. You are typical ignorant feel goodie lib/socio/commie who does not care about truth. The TRUTH IS our nation was founded on those verses you seem to like to think you have sole knowledge of. If any one wants to avail themselves to the wonderful blessings our constitution avails to us they have right ways to go about it, invasion is not one of them. Stuff your GLOBALIST AGENDA in a dark place.

          • Emilie Wolf Elizondo

            I vote mostly republican. If you don’t like our asylum laws, then contact your representatives and ask them to change them instead of getting mad at me.

  • Deanna Titsworth

    Good article, I agree with the opinions given on each topic covered. I also feel that all those involved in this invasion of our nation should be detained and returned to their home countries as quickly as possible. If they want to come here make them do it the right way. This is not the right way. We do not have the resources to deal with this number of people at once, and holding them will only create a national crisis we do not need to get involved in.

  • Sandi Covert

    I agree with most of what was said. As a Christian though,I do not think we should be involved with groups that name particular nationalities as this Pastor is. That is another way of division. We are Christians washed in the Blood and are all one family. I prefer all merit based immigration.

  • Alicia

    This is NOT a Christian resoonse whatsoever. Jesus said to care for the widows and the foreigners. This is PURELY a political Republican response. This pastor should be ashamed of himself for pushing his own political opinions as the gospel.

    • blueridgemtnproud

      It is imperative that a sovereign nation protect those inside its borders first. That is clear from the Old Testament as well as the New Testament. This in no way negates a Christian’s responsibility towards widows.
      As for foreigners, the Bible is clear that we are to care for refugees who seek asylum from a persecuting force in their home territory…we are not asked by Scripture to assume responsibility for other categories. There are many Christian ministries in Central America that are in place to assist these people. Our family supports one in Honduras. That is the appropriate response to economic need.
      If these people were sincere about needing asylum, they would apply at the first country that offered it. In this case, Mexico has offered it.

      • LaurieB

        blueridgemtproud, I wonder where you find this:
        “As for foreigners, the Bible is clear that we are to care for refugees who seek asylum from a persecuting force in their home territory…we are not asked by Scripture to assume responsibility for other categories. “

        • blueridgemtnproud

          Look up bible verses under cities of refuge…in particular, Joshua and Numbers. Many of these places of refuge actually refer to places where accused criminals can go for temporary shelter until their trials so that they are not the victims of mob vengeance. I think the principle of providing temporary shelter is very biblical…but they are to be set apart from general populations for the populations’ protection.

    • LaurieB

      Alicia, I’m sure you’ve heard this somewhere, but I fail to find anywhere in the Gospels that Jesus said to care for widows and foreigners. Can you provide a reference? I really get annoyed when people try to attribute words to Jesus that he did not say.

      • blueridgemtnproud

        1 Timothy 5…Matthew 25…Ruth 1..plenty of Bible references if you look for them. It is clear that there is a Biblical mandate to care for the least of these…our families and beyond.

        • LaurieB

          Ok. My question referred to Jesus’ words, so the Matthew passage would apply. I would agree that in Matt. 25:31-46 the term “stranger” would apply to foreigners/aliens. And yes, I have no problem with showing love to all people, whether widows, strangers, poor, whatever. This is what Jesus asks of us.
          I just want us to be careful to quote the words of Jesus as he said them.

          • Emilie Wolf Elizondo

            A pointless semantics argument. So if you can prove it’s not in the gospels, just somewhere else, what difference does that make in how we behave and how we ask our government to behave? Do you agree Jesus is God (the Word,) made flesh? If God said it Jesus said it, regardless if it appears in the Gospels.

      • Emilie Wolf Elizondo

        Psalm 82:3–4
        3 Defend the cause of the weak and fatherless; maintain the rights of the poor and oppressed. 4 Rescue the weak and needy; deliver them from the hand of the wicked.
        Psalm 89:14
        Righteousness and justice are the foundation of your throne; love and faithfulness go before you.
        Psalm 140:12
        I know that the LORD secures justice for the poor and upholds the cause of the needy.
        Proverbs 3:27–28
        27 Do not withhold good from those who deserve it, when it is in your power to act. 28 Do not say to your neighbor, “come back later; I’ll give it tomorrow” when you now have it with you.
        Proverbs 11:10
        When the righteous prosper, the city rejoices; when the wicked perish, there are shouts of joy.
        Proverbs 14:31
        31 He who oppresses the poor shows contempt for their Maker,
        but whoever is kind to the needy honors God.
        Proverbs 19:17
        He who is kind to the poor lends to the LORD, and he will reward him for what he has done.
        Proverbs 24:11
        Rescue those who are unjustly sentenced to death; don’t stand back and let them die. Don’t try to avoid responsibility by saying you didn’t know about it
        Proverbs 28:5
        Evil men do not understand justice, but those who seek the LORD understand it fully.
        Proverbs 29:7
        The righteous care about justice for the poor, but the wicked have no such concern.
        Proverbs 31:9
        Speak up and judge fairly; defend the rights of the poor and needy.

        Ecclesiastes 4:1
        Again I looked and saw all the oppression that was taking place under the sun: I saw the tears of the oppressed, and they have no comforter; power was on the side of their oppressors, and they have no comforter.
        Deuteronomy 15:7–8
        If there is among you anyone in need … do not be hard-hearted or tight-fisted toward your needy neighbor. You should rather open your hand, willingly lending enough to meet the need, whatever it may be.
        Isaiah 1:11, 17
        “I am sick of your sacrifices,” says the LORD. “Don’t bring me any more burnt offerings! I don’t want the fat from your rams or other animals. I don’t want to see the blood from your offerings of bulls and rams and goats.” 17Learn to do good. Seek justice. Help the oppressed. Defend the orphan. Fight for the rights of widows.
        Isaiah 56:1
        This is what the LORD says: “Maintain justice and do what is right, for my salvation is close at hand and my righteousness will soon be revealed.
        Isaiah 58: 6–7
        6 “Is not this the kind of fasting I have chosen: to loose the chains of injustice and untie the cords of the yoke, to set the oppressed free and break every yoke? 7 Is it not to share your food with the hungry and to provide the poor wanderer with shelter? when you see the naked, to clothe him, and not to turn away from your own flesh and blood?
        Jeremiah 9:23–24
        23 This is what the LORD says: “Let not the wise man boast of his wisdom or the strong man boast of his strength or the rich man boast of his riches, 24 but let him who boasts boast about this: that he understands and knows me, that I am the LORD, who exercises kindness, justice and righteousness on earth, for in these I delight,” declares the LORD.
        Jeremiah 22:16
        He defended the cause of the poor and needy,
        and so all went well.
        Is that not what it means to know me?”
        declares the LORD.
        Ezekiel 16:48–50
        As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign LORD, your sister Sodom and her daughters never did what you and your daughters have done. 49 ” ‘Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. 50 They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen.
        Ezekiel 22:28–30
        28 Her prophets whitewash these deeds for them by false visions and lying divinations. They say, ‘This is what the Sovereign LORD says’-when the LORD has not spoken. 29 The people of the land practice extortion and commit robbery; they oppress the poor and needy and mistreat the alien, denying them justice. 30 “I looked for a man among them who would build up the wall and stand before me in the gap on behalf of the land so I would not have to destroy it, but I found none.
        Amos 5:21–24
        “I hate all your show and pretense” the hypocrisy of your religious festivals and solemn assemblies. 22I will not accept your burnt offerings and grain offerings. I won’t even notice all your choice peace offerings. 23Away with your hymns of praise! They are only noise to my ears. I will not listen to your music, no matter how lovely it is. 24Instead, I want to see a mighty flood of justice, a river of righteous living that will never run dry.

        Micah 6:8
        8 He has showed you, O man, what is good.
        And what does the LORD require of you?
        To act justly and to love mercy
        and to walk humbly with your God.
        Zechariah 7:9–10
        9 “This is what the LORD Almighty says: ‘Administer true justice; show mercy and compassion to one another. 10 Do not oppress the widow or the fatherless, the alien or the poor. In your hearts do not think evil of each other.’
        Matthew 23:23
        23 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You give a tenth of your spices — mint, dill and cummin. But you have neglected the more important matters of the law: justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced the latter, without neglecting the former.
        Matthew 25:31–46
        31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his throne in heavenly glory. 32All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.
        34″Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’
        37″Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’
        40″The King will reply, ‘I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.’
        41″Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’
        44″They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’
        45″He will reply, ‘I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’
        46″Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”

      • Emilie Wolf Elizondo

        I think if you take the whole of scripture, there is an overwhelming charge on us to help and defend the poor, needy, oppressed, widow, alien—and to administer justice. These people seeking asylum are not doing so illegally, it’s up to us to tell our government to uphold the law here. If they deny asylum applicants they are breaking the law. If we can’t handle the numbers, we need to come up with solutions to fulfill the law in a humanely, orderly manner.

        • LaurieB

          Hopefully the folks in the caravan will not attempt to enter our country illegally. Time will tell. If they do attempt to storm our border disrespectfully, they should not be offered all the benefits of citizenship! Our Father only accepts and forgives those who come humbly in repentance, and I think the response of our government should take that as an example.

          • Emilie Wolf Elizondo

            If the migrants are legitimate asylum seekers, the laws allow them to enter anywhere, not just a port. Read section 208 of the immigration code.

        • FOOL MUZSLIME OR GLOB?!?!?!

      • Emilie Wolf Elizondo

        Exodus 22:21 – Moses gives God’s law: “You shall not wrong or oppress a resident alien; for you were aliens in the land of Egypt.”

        Leviticus 19:9-10 and 23:22 – Moses gives God’s law: “You shall not strip your vineyards bare…leave them for the poor and the alien.”

        Leviticus 19:33-34 and 24:22 – When the alien resides with you in your land, you shall not oppress the alien. The alien who resides with you shall be to you as the citizen among you; you shall love the alien as yourself, for you were aliens in the land of Egypt: I am the Lord your God.”

        Leviticus 24:23 – Moses receives God’s law: “With me you are but aliens and tenants.”

        Numbers 9:14 and 15:15-16 – “…you shall have one statute for both the resident alien and the native.”

        Numbers 35 and Joshua 20 – The Lord instructs Moses to give cities of refuge to the Levites so that when the Israelites must flee into Canaan they may have cities of refuge given to them.

        Deuteronomy 1:16 – “Give the members of your community a fair hearing, and judge rightly between one person and another, whether citizen or resident alien.”

        Deuteronomy 6:10-13 – The people of Israel are made aware that the land had come to them as a gift from God and they were to remember that they were once aliens.

        Deuteronomy 10:18-19 – “For the Lord your God…loves the strangers, providing them food and clothing. You shall also love the stranger, for you were strangers in the land of Egypt.”

        Deuteronomy 14:28-29 and 26:12-13 – Tithing was begun, in part, for resident aliens.

        Deuteronomy 24:14 – “You shall not withhold the wages of poor and needy laborers, whether other Israelites or aliens who reside in your land…”

        Deuteronomy 24:17-18 – “You shall not deprive a resident alien…of justice.”

        Deuteronomy 24:19-22 – Leave sheaf, olives, grapes for the alien.

        Deuteronomy 26:5 – A wandering Aramean was my ancestor…

        Deuteronomy 27:19 – “Cursed be anyone who deprives the alien…of justice.”

        I Chronicles 22:1-2 – Aliens were important in building the temple.

        I Chronicles 29:14-15 – David praises God: “We are aliens and transients before you…”

        II Chronicles 2:17-18 – Solomon took a census of all the aliens and assigned them work.

        Psalm 105 – Remembering their sojourn: “When they were few in number, of little account, and strangers in it, wandering from nation to nation, from one kingdom to another people,…”

        Psalm 137:1-6 – “By the rivers of Babylon, there we sat down and wept…How could we sing the Lord’s song in a foreign land?”

        Psalm 146:9 – “The Lord watches over the strangers…”

        Ecclesiastes 4:1 – “Look, the tears of the oppressed—with no one to comfort them.”

        Isaiah 16:4 – Be a refuge to the outcasts of Moab.

        Jeremiah 7:5-7 – “If you do not oppress the alien…then I will dwell with you in this place…”

        Jeremiah 22:3-5 – Do no wrong or violence to the alien.

        Ezekiel 47:21-22 – The aliens shall be to you as citizens, and shall also be allotted an inheritance.

        Zechariah 7:8-10 – Do no oppress the alien.

        Malachi 3:5 – The messenger will bear witness against those who thrust aside the alien.

        • mbabbitt

          Foreigners were supposed to obey the laws of the land they sought entry to and then be treated fairly. Selective Bible verse quoting. 3 words for foreigner. Research more. God is a God of laws as well as mercy.

          • Emilie Wolf Elizondo

            So you want to talk about selective bible verse quoting? Let’s talk about Sessions, then. Or the person I was actually responding to who claims the Jesus says nothing about caring for widows or foreigners. You do know that Jesus is God, right? So the Word of God still comes from the One Made Flesh, right?

          • Tria Castillo


        • Just me

          Now, let’s talk about context, who was God talking to in these verses you listed?

          • Emilie Wolf Elizondo

            Don’t have time, I was just giving a bunch of verses that deal with the topic. The overwhelming theme is clear that we are to help, administer justice. If you want to pick each one apart I’m sure you could explain away some of them, but I’m presenting all of these to give an ide of how God’s heart is inclined toward the poor, needy, oppressed, etc.

        • Sheer twisted ignorance!!!!!


    • SurrogateReader

      God did command care for foreigners, strangers and widows. Jesus reiterated this by commanding care for the least of society. You’re assuming there was nothing in place to vet those coming in and their intentions to live according to the laws of the cities they entered. The cities of Israel had walls and gates with leaders sitting at them to know who entered and their purpose in entering. The scripture supports boundaries and borders ( Proverbs 22:28, 23:10, Deuteronomy 19:14) calling it theft to move them from another persons personal property. The directive to care for foreigners is compassion shown to those who are admitted for trade and migration through towns according to the law of the cities of Israel. Do not confuse respect and compassion owed to foreigners with a commandment to remove the boundaries of the United States without regard for the intentions and legal means of those entering.

  • Linda Murray

    “James: Could they have been assisted or encouraged in any way by the liberal, leftist, socialist mindset here in the USA? Is that even possible?

    Pastor Sam: I don’t have anything to substantiate the idea, but it wouldn’t surprise me.”

    You mean to tell me these two guys have NOT seen the videos of the people lined up & being PAID to join this caravan…??? And they haven’t SEEN the documentation that Soros & his Open Society are funding it…??? And they don’t KNOW that the majority of the members are single, grown men?

    SOMEONE needs to get their heads OUT of the sand!

  • Emilie Wolf Elizondo

    It’s not illegal the way they are coming. Chaotic, yes. Overwhelming the system, yes. But not illegal. If they are entering peacefully, they are allowed to enter at any point if they are among those who legally are considered asylum seekers. I get so tired of hearing people use the term illegal in this debate.

    If we are concerned about the strain of such a huge influx of asylum seekers, we need to amend our policies and find sime solutions to handle these cases humanely and in an orderly way. But the Trump administration has made a lot of mistakes in that area.

    • STUPID GLOB!!!!

    • Pedro

      Emilie, Section 212 of the INA ACT is a long list of things that disqualify aliens from admission into this country. The title of Section 212 is “INA: ACT 212 – GENERAL CLASSES OF ALIENS INELIGIBLE TO RECEIVE VISAS AND INELIGIBLE FOR ADMISSION; WAIVERS OF INADMISSIBILITY”

      One of the many subparagphs “A” in that document is titled: “(A) ALIENS PRESENT WITHOUT admission or parole.-”
      It states:
      “In general.-An alien present in the United States without being admitted or paroled, or who arrives in the United States at any time or place other than as designated by the Attorney General, is inadmissible.”

      I don’t need to interpret that for you.

      • Emilie Wolf Elizondo

        Partially correct. If they are here and it’s been under a year, and they haven’t already been deported, convicted of a serious, violent crime or previously gone through the asylum process and denied, they can apply for asylum. They will have to file a form requesting a stay hold on deportation proceedings before they can continue with the asylum process. But the law you are referring to is incomplete and covers immigration without an asylum case. Section 208 says they can still apply for asylum no matter their status or method of entry.

  • Kathy

    This article is very helpful, but if you haven’t yet done so, may I suggest you all read the new article on this site “I’m a US Citizen Living in Honduras. Here’s What I Think About the Caravan” It may help as well to make sense of at least some of this controversy.

    • jonleslie

      Thanks for the suggestion.

  • “I do believe the vast majority of individuals coming up are good-hearted people”
    NO they are NOT! The overwhelming majority are of EVIL intent. Those of righteous intent would be seeking LEGAL entry. EVERY one of them should be turned back with force if need be. It’s utter nonsense to allow even one infiltrator in. The WALL must be built immediately. No one should be ALLOWED to get away with breaching the boundaries of any sovereign nation, those who think it is ok at all are simply opening the door for the devils Globalist agenda!!!!

    • RealityWrites

      And you actually know their hearts and intents HOW exactly? So much arrogance in that statement. Just wow. Also, ANYONE who presents him or herself at a point of entry for asylum is NOT breaking the law IF it’s at a point of entry and if he or she takes no for an answer IF he or she does not qualify. But how dare you, a mere man, assume the intent of the hearts of men and women to be evil. Are you God Himself?

      • You are displaying a vast amount of IGNORANCE! This is about 99% a gang of thugs. That would be considered an INVASION!!! It has nothing to do with endangered lives and hardship. It has to do with a very evil man or group of men, geo. Soros types, who want NOTHING but the destruction of America and the downfall of the entire western form of civilization. It is you and your little small minded group that live on your snowflake feelings that is wrong. As for God I know the one true God and His son Jesus very well, and I understand His instruction book fairly well also. Have you ever read the Bible you really should you could possibly learn something before it is too late, you will have to hurry!

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