Will God Bless Trump for Moving Our Embassy to Jerusalem?

A picture taken on December 6, 2017 shows a giant US flag screened alongside Israel's national flag by the Jerusalem municipality on the walls of the old city.

By Michael Brown Published on December 6, 2017

Ben Shapiro listed 7 reasons why Trump’s decision to move our embassy to Jerusalem is right. He called it “an act of not only political bravery but moral courage.” But is it an act that God Himself will bless? Is there spiritual significance to this decision as well?

Earlier this year, a pastor asked me if there was any way to get a message to the president. With great passion, he said to me, “During the campaign, Donald Trump promised to move the embassy his first day in office, but he didn’t do it. And when did the protest marches against him begin? His second day in office! He will never see the full blessing of God until he makes good on his promise.”

Others believe that Trump’s decision will prove disastrous. As a headline on the Daily Mail proclaims, “’He’s declaring war on 1.5 billion Muslims’: Trump will recognise Jerusalem as Israel’s capital TODAY despite international fury from the Pope, Britain, Russia, China and Palestinians.” In the words of the Palestinian Authority’s Manuel Hassassian, “He is declaring war in the Middle East, he is declaring war against 1.5 billion Muslims [and] hundreds of millions of Christians that are not going to accept the holy shrines to be totally under the hegemony of Israel.”

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In reality, Trump is not declaring war in the Middle East. He’s not declaring war against 1.5 billion Muslims. And in no way, shape, size or form declaring war on hundreds of millions of Christians. In fact, the very notion that Christians will not accept “the holy shrines” being “totally under the hegemony of Israel” is absolute nonsense.

Political Questions

First, America’s recognition of Jerusalem as Israel’s capital changes nothing on the ground at all, especially when it comes to the Christian holy sites. They’ve been under Israeli hegemony for decades. Second, it is under Jewish hegemony that Middle Eastern Christians have access to these holy sites and freedom to practice their faith. The restrictions generally come under Islamic, not Israeli rule.

Still, the question must be asked: Why the uproar over Jerusalem? Why does the whole world care? Why does the Pope weigh in? Why are Muslim nations in such upheaval? Why are Russia and China concerned? What makes Jerusalem so important?

Jerusalem was never the capital of a Palestinian or Arab state. (For that matter, there was not even a concept of a Palestinian state until the middle of the 20th century. And there was no such thing as a Palestinian people until after the Six Day War in 1967).

The tremendous resistance to the president’s decision gives evidence to the intensity of the spiritual battle over this city.

Every other nation on the planet chooses its capital city. Other nations recognize that city and put their embassies there. Why won’t the rest of the world recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s capital? Why are the embassies located in Tel Aviv rather than Jerusalem?

Jerusalem is the historic capital of the Jewish people, going back to roughly 1,000 BC. Jews face Jerusalem when they pray and synagogues in the West face East. Every year at Passover, the hopeful prayer is recited, “Next year in Jerusalem!” And in terms of functional reality, Jerusalem is the capital of the nation. There’s nothing to discuss or debate. As the President said, that’s reality, plain and simple.

When it comes to the peace process, more than two decades of negotiations have yielded precious little progress. So the idea that recognizing Jerusalem would hurt this process is ludicrous. Instead, if the Palestinians want peace with Israel, they can have wonderful, lasting, prosperous peace — without dividing Jerusalem.

Spiritual Questions

But all these are political questions and issues. My question is spiritual in nature: Will God bless President Trump and the United States for making this bold and courageous move?

I believe He will, for the following reasons.

  1. On doing so the president is blessing Israel. God still blesses those who bless His covenant nation, despite that nation’s sins.
  2. Out of all the cities on the earth, the Bible only calls us to pray for the welfare of Jerusalem (see Psalm 122; Isaiah 62:1-8).
  3. The tremendous resistance to the president’s decision gives evidence to the intensity of the spiritual battle over this city.
  4. There are prophetic scriptures that speak of a Jewish Jerusalem welcoming back the Messiah. So the decision to fortify the unity of the city is in explicit harmony with those Scriptures (see especially Zechariah 12 and 14).

And what about God’s love for the Muslim world? What about justice for the Palestinians?

The answer is simple: If they want to be blessed, they too must recognize the Jewish claim to Jerusalem, a city that they do not need to possess or divide. They don’t need to call for violence and war. Instead, they need to accept that East Jerusalem will not be the capital of a Palestinian state. That working with the Jewish people rather than against them will be in their best interests, too. And that the Jewish people have a massively greater claim to Jerusalem than the Muslims do.

As for President Trump, he is convinced that this formal recognition of Jerusalem will aid and abet the peace process. But even if that is not the case, I truly believe that God will bless him and bless America for making this courageous and righteous decision.

Let’s watch and see in the coming days.

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  • Paul

    It’s about time!!

  • Linda

    I hope you are right. I know about blessing Israel, and I know that Jerusalem is the only city on earth where God’s name dwells, however, I am not aware of any obvious scripture regarding this move. IF the motives for the move are sincere, I agree that it will be a blessing all around.

    • JudgeRight

      Just the opposite. The earthly Jerusalem is called “Sodom and Egypt” in the book of Revelation, see ch 11. With the finished work of Christ on the cross the earthly Jerusalem has lost its meaning for the followers of Christ. In Revelation 3 and 21 the Lord talks about the New Jerusalem, the city of hope and that is NOT the earthly Jerusalem, to which president Trump being surrounded by Jews and Zionist Christians is moving the US embassy to. The Jerusalem Christians care about is “the holy city Jerusalem coming down out of heaven from God” Rev. 21:10. Read also carefully the book of Hebrews and specifically Heb. 12:22. As I mentioned above the earthly Jerusalem’s significance is clearly implied in Rev. 11. There it is the city where the two end-time prophets and witnesses of God will prophesy, and will be eventually killed, before they are raised: “and their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city that symbolically[b] is called Sodom and Egypt, where their Lord was crucified” — Rev. 11:8. Moving the US embassy to this Jerusalem in recognition of it as the capital of the Jewish (or rather Zionist state, in view that Orthodox Jews disagree with its policies and form of existence) is in fact nothing more than setting the scene for the end times, but not the Lord’s vision and version of these times.

      • stan schmunk

        And Jerusalem has gay pride parades and Tel Aviv markets itself as the gayest city in the world with NYC in second place. That shouldn’t surprise us as the Jews created little houses in Solomon’s temple to house…homosexual prostitutes! The Jews need Christ but our evangelical ‘leaders’ won’t tell them!

        • JudgeRight

          Much of American evangelicalism is traditionally plagued by Christian Zionism. If whoever blesses Israel will be blessed was true America would not be one of the nations in which the law of the land mandates that a man “marry” a man, and call it “freedom” and “equality.” to have an abomination in the eyes of God be the law of the land is not a blessing but a curse to a whole generation.

  • tz1

    Trump also said he would end DACA on day one.
    I’m also waiting for the defunding of Molech – aka Planned Parenthood and their spilling of innocent blood.
    Somehow I have to wonder if the blood of 60 million dead innocents crying out – more every day – is trivial compared to this bit of geographic change.
    But perhaps God will hear and destroy Trump’s enemies. A few Tsunamis and Earthquakes on the west coast would fix a lot of politi-demographic problems. The rest can be fixed from Islamic terror targeted attacks. Perhaps a few of the Supreme court justices will have accidents and be unable to continue serving on the bench. So I hope you are right.

  • Charles Burge

    I would take you to task on point #2. Jeremiah 29:7 says “But seek the welfare of the city where I have sent you into exile, and pray to the Lord on its behalf, for in its welfare you will find your welfare.” No specific city is mentioned explicitly, but rather, several cities in Babylon are implied, since Jeremiah’s letter was written to all of the exiles scattered throughout the region.

    Nonetheless, I think your point #1 is quite valid. I applaud the president’s move.

    • Hebrewhelena

      Yes. The Jews have done this in all the places they have been scattered.

  • Brad Ford

    God ALREADY has blessed Trump!!!!!

  • Brad Ford

    Could this be Trump’s legacy?

  • JudgeRight

    Michael Brown, an otherwise respected Christian apologist and preacher, completely misses the point in his views on Israel. He defends a non-biblical understanding that “Israel” and the Jews as a natural nation still have some separate covenant with God outside of the death and resurrection the Lord Jesus Christ.

    This false teaching is not new, it just comes in the new form of Christian Zionism purported by Brown. Apostle Paul clearly rejects the “judaizing” delusion of the Galatian Christians and specifically rejects the false idea that “whoever blesses Israel will blessed.” The false expectation of “blessing” for blessing (or in the secular Jews own view interpreted as support for their political hegemony and the contemporary state of Israel) is based on a false interpretation of Gen. 12:3. Apostle Paul clearly rejects any such Old Testament interpretation in Galatians 3, where those who are in Christ are heirs of the promise. There is no covenant for the Jew outside the one covenant in Jesus Christ. The earthly Jerusalem has no significance for the Christian, but only for those who are deceived to believe that the political rise of the contemporary state of Israel and the earthly Jerusalem, are fulfillment of biblical prophecy. Yes, these events are indeed but they support the rise of the antichrist to world dominion, not the Second Coming of the Lord. Brown is simply repeating the Jewish nationalist views opposed even by Orthodox Jews. In fact, those who curse the people of God, or the Christians, followers of the Heir of the promise, will be cursed. Although democratic the contemporary leaders of the state of Israel are significantly hostile to the Gospel of Jesus Christ, maybe less overtly than the Muslims, but still are.

    Zionist Christians must go back to their New Testaments and read them carefully so not to fall into the deception of the end times, which will seek to deceive even the elect (and by “elect” I do not mean the natural Jews who reject Jesus Christ).

    • Jesse Mgala

      What about Romans 9-11,sir??? SMH.

      • JudgeRight

        Romans 9-11 is actually the proof that any attempt to describe that Jews, or whichever ethnic group is called with this name today (very detailed post above the incorporation of Edomites as Jews).

        Romans 9:5, “because not all of Israel are Israel.” See here Rom. 9: 6 But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel, 7 and not all are children of Abraham because they are his offspring, but “Through Isaac shall your offspring be named.” 8 This means that it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God, but the children of the promise are counted as offspring.

        I do not want to continue with the all and plenty arguments that the only promise for the Jew in the New Testament is not found in the Old Testament promises but in the Lord Jesus Christ.

        The only possible reason for somehow swaying for the proper interpretation that there is NO separate covenant for the Jews is Rom. 11:28-29
        28 As regards the gospel, they are enemies for your sake. But as regards election, they are beloved for the sake of their forefathers. 29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable.

        Zionists take this passage to pull the wool over Christians and enforce a non-existing separate covenant for the “special” Jewish people who are non-believers. Nothing can be further from the truth. The proimse is for the sake of the patriarch and the fact of the fleshly Jews unfaithfulness does not make them faithful and saved. This false interpretation is negated in the following verses: where Paul explains that God has arrested ALL into disobedience to show Himself mercifulМ

        30 For just as you were at one time disobedient to God but now have received mercy because of their disobedience, 31 so they too have now been disobedient in order that by the mercy shown to you they also may now[l] receive mercy. 32 For God has consigned all to disobedience, that he may have mercy on all.

        One more argument from Rom. 9:

        26 And in this way all Israel will be saved, as it is written,

        “The Deliverer will come from Zion,
        he will banish ungodliness from Jacob”;
        27 “and this will be my covenant with them
        when I take away their sins.”

        Who is the “deliverer from Zion”? Some Jewish “messiah” who will be a Zionist and will service their “special covenant”? Of course not. This quote of the OT points to Jesus Christ. He is the Deliverer from Zion. Only He can “take away their sins.” Animal sacrifices will not do it.

        Any theory pushed by the Zionists and the Zionist Christians that have a special covenant outside faith and submission to the Lordship of Jesus Christ is an antichrist teaching and a mockery of the Gospel.

    • Aliquantillus

      In fact you are the one who is missing the point by spiritualizing the reality of the nation of Israel. While it is true that faithful from the nations have become children of the promise, together with the believers from Israel, this does in no way take away the national promises of God to Israel, which stand forever and are irrevocable. In Jeremiah ch. XXXI it is clearly predicted that the New Covenant is a national covenant with “the house of Israel and the house of Judah” as the text says in Jer. 31:31. The house of Israel is clearly the kingdom of the ten tribes, the house of Judah the kingdom of the two tribes. This text is thus clearly about national Israel, not about the Church. The text continues with the promise that the nation of Israel will not cease to be God’s elected nation before the ordinances of the sun and the moon and the stars will cease (Jer. 31:37). While believers in Christ, Jews as well as Gentiles, nowadays already benefit from some of the blessings of the New Covenant, the national fulfilment of it will be at the Second Coming, when the Messianc Kingdom will be erected and the full national restoration of all Israel will follow, including the building of the End-time Temple described in the final chapters of the Book of Ezechiel (chs. XL-XLVIII).

      Replacement Theology is perhaps the oldest Christian error, which has devastated the Church’s understanding of Holy Scripture.

      • JudgeRight

        What you call “spiritualizing the reality” is called faith in the New Testament. Certainty of the things unseen. Jews have always wanted a political leader who will take their nation to the top of the world ruling over all “goyim.” This was their false expectation when the true Messiah came on earth, and that’s why they crucified Him. What you call Replacement Theology is called also the New Testament. In Ephesians 2-3, only one of many, many passages in the NT, the apostle clearly describes how from the two people, through the broken body of Christ, now they are reconciled, they are one people. But only through Christ.

        Your practicality is actually the denial of spiritual reality witnessed in the NT thought Jewish-type of unbelief.

        All promises for the Jews, as well as for the blessing of all the nations, given starting from Abraham, are fulfilled in the Lord Jesus Christ. That is why we live in a BETTER covenant, the New Covenant sealed with the blood of Jesus.

        The current Christian Zionism is the oldest error of all that have plagued the church — described in the Book of Galatians. There the judaizing heresy is called actually a “curse” because it is a different gospel not the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

      • JudgeRight

        I quote: “While believers in Christ, Jews as well as Gentiles, nowadays already benefit from some of the blessings of the New Covenant, the national fulfilment of it will be at the Second Coming, when the Messianc Kingdom will be erected and the full national restoration of all Israel will follow, including the building of the End-time Temple described in the final chapters of the Book of Ezechiel (chs. XL-XLVIII).”

        This sentence alone contains three fundamental errors. Your interpretation disregards the very essence of why Jesus died and rose again and the fact that we have a New Covenant.

        1) Believers in Christ, be they Jew or Gentile “benefit from SOME of the blessings of the New Covenant”?

        Not “some blessings,” all blessings and hope. There is nothing greater but to be an heir of God in Jesus Christ. It is a hope today but at consumation it will be a hope fulfilled.

        Acts 4:12: And there is salvation in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given among men by which we must be saved.”

        Colossians 1:15 [ The Preeminence of Christ ] He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation.

        Colossians 1:27 To them God chose to make known how great among the Gentiles are the riches of the glory of this mystery, which is Christ in you, the hope of glory.

        Jude 1:25 to the only God, our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion, and authority, before all time and now and forever. Amen.

        2) There will be no “national restoration” of Israel.

        Acts 1: 6 So when they had come together, they asked him, “Lord, will you at this time restore the kingdom to Israel?” 7 He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or seasons that the Father has fixed by his own authority. 8 But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.”

        It is a restoration through the Great Commission of Jews and Gentiles through the Gospel of Jesus Christ. This is the OT promise to Abraham that “his seed” [Jesus Christ — see Gal. 3] will be a blessing for all nations. See also Matt. 28:16-18.

        A push for the “national restoration of Israel” goes against the lack of necessity for such clearly described in the NT by the apostles who speak of a new race, a new people, who are “born of the incorruptible seed of Christ.” 1 Peter. Paul’s epistles etc.

        3) The building of the End-time Temple described in the final chapters of the Book of Ezechiel most likely does not refer to the building of a physical temple for the same reason: WE live in the NT!

        The people of God, the believers in Jesus Christ, in whom the Holy Spirit lives are called a temple, building of living stones, 1 Cor. 3:16-17 is only one passage, also 2 Cor. 6:14, 16.

        Ephesians 2: 18 For through him we both have access in one Spirit to the Father. 19 So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, 20 built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being the cornerstone, 21 in whom the whole structure, being joined together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord. 22 In him you also are being built together into a dwelling place for God by[e] the Spirit.

        John 2:19 Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.”

        Revelation 21:22 And I saw no temple in the city, for its temple is the Lord God the Almighty and the Lamb.

        What purpose will a new physical temple serve according to the NT? To sacrifice animals again? If such temple is built any animal sacrifice will be an abomination since the perfect sacrifice the Son of God, our high priest, was offered for the forgiveness of our sins.

        Hebrews 10:1 [ Christ’s Sacrifice Once for All ] For since the law has but a shadow of the good things to come instead of the true form of these realities, it can never, by the same sacrifices that are continually offered every year, make perfect those who draw near.

        Please, do revise your understanding and teaching as to the fact of Jesus first coming and the NT so you may inherit the blessings when He comes again.

        • Aliquantillus

          All your quoted texts in fact conform my viewpoint, especially the text from Acts 1:6. Christ didn’t dispute that the Kingdom was to be restored to Israel. In fact, this was his mission! Only the times and seasons were in the Hand of the Father, because He only knows when Israel will repent and nationally accept its Messiah.

          The fact that by the Sacrifice of Messiah eternal redemption is obtained once and for all doesn’t deny that sacrificial worship will be restored in the Millennium, which is clearly taught by Ezechiel. For the sacrifices required by the Torah were never instituted in order to obtain eternal redemption by them, but only temporal redemption or forgiveness in the context of the Theocracy of Israel.

          But this is also confirmed by the Epistle to the Hebrews, which teaches that the sacrifices and the institutions of the Torah will go on “until the time of the reformation” (Hebr. 9:10), which is explained in :11 of the same chapter as the intoduction of the goods of the perfect and definitive tabernacle, “not of this building”, meaning not of this creation, but of the New Creation which will start after the Millennium, i.e. after the temporal phase of the Kingdom. And this is exactly the teaching of Christ himself in Mt. 5:17-19, where he says that all the commandments and distinctions of the Torah remain intact “till heaven and earth pass away”.

          The entire Bible is basically about Israel and the Messianic Kingdom. The “Church” as a distinct entity only comes into play when national Israel doesn’t fulfil its calling to recognize its Messiah. If Israel had accepted Jesus Christ there never would have been a distinct “Church era”, for the Kingdom and the national restoration would have come.

          Until the time, however, that Israel is fully restored, there is a distinct “Church” or better “Assembly of Messiah”, which partakes of the eternal blessings of the New Covenant, not however of the temporal blessings. These are reserved for the time of Israel’s national restoration when the Jewish nation will be elevated above all peoples and become their light, when the Torah wil go out from Zion and many nations will go up to Jerusalem:

          “And it shall come to pass that everyone that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem [in the end-time wars described by the prophet] shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of Sukkot [i.e. tabernacles]. […] In that day shall there be upons the bells of the horses: ‘Holiness unto the LORD; and the pots in the LORD’s House [i.e. the Temple] shall be like the bowls before the Altar. Yea every pot in Jerusalem and in Judah shall be holiness unto the LORD of hosts: and all they that sacrifice shall come and take of them, and seethe therein.” (Zechariah 14:16, 20-21).

          This is a clear and unambiguous prophetic prediction about the coming Millennnial Kingdom, with a restored nation of Israel, a restored Temple worship, and Gentiles who receive the blessings of this Kingdom.

          • JudgeRight

            I am glad that you bring up Acts 1:6, so I can explain. “It is not for you to know times and SEASONS.” The emphasis here is on “seasons.” Jesus’ disciples were obviously stuck with their old understanding of the restoration of Israel as the restoration of their nation. They were still nationalistic in their expectations and understanding of salvation. Proof of that is the following works of the Holy spirit throughout Acts which were necessary to emphasize the essence of the Great Commission in Matt. 28. Peter in Cornelius’ house is one — the apostle had to overcome his Jewish-supremacy prejudice by mighty visions and seeing the grace of God being given to the Gentiles (faith and baptism in the Holy Spirit). It took further events for the early Jewish church to grasp that a new nation has been born, the nation of those born of God through the Holy Spirit and faith in Jesus Christ. A new race of both Jew and Gentile, believers in Jesus. Thus the new nation of believers IS in fact the restoration of the nation of “Israel.” It is a NEW SEASON which, at the time was not of the confused disciples to know.

            You completely ignore my question in the previous post: WHAT WILL BE THE PURPOSE of the new (old) restored Temple in your plan? What form of worship will be happening there?

            I quote you again, because this is important to understand the Zionist false messianic “hope” in denial of the true hope in Jesus Christ:

            “This is a clear and unambiguous prophetic prediction about the coming Millennnial Kingdom, with a restored nation of Israel, a restored Temple worship, and Gentiles who receive the blessings of this Kingdom.”

            In the picture you describe natural Israel, the “true people of God,” will be restored and the Gentiles will be gleaning from the “great destiny” of the natural Jews. Who, by the way, will have been restored due to some form of separate “covenant” based on some ambiguous and Old-Testament-based interpretation of God’s faithfulness. Will their restoration entail faith and repentance in Christ? Not very clearly, but rather not, since they implicitly have their own covenant of faithfulness. The nations will rely on THAT non-Christ covenant to be blessed.

            Such picture, typical of Christian Zionism, fully follows the Jewish false narrative that they are the chosen people who must play a historical role in the world and the history of man. That was true until Jesus Christ. Since Him we live a new era. A new “season.” The Zionist narrative completely excludes the work on the cross and the perfect sacrifice of the High Priest, Jesus Christ Who died for Jew and Gentile alike.

            The NT and Christian view is that the people of God are those people, first Jew then Gentile, who are born of faith in Jesus Christ as there is no other way to God. I need not quote all the statements that support this teaching, including Christ’s own words. This NT view is unacceptable to Jewish supremacists, or maybe “nationalists” to use a bit softer term, who want to see the fulfillment of THEIR OWN messianic vision, which DOES NOT include Jesus Christ neither a blessing for other nations. Even early Christian Jews had a difficult time aligning their thinking with the “SEASON” when the Gentiles and Jews would be children of God, if they are born again in Christ.

            Hence the idea of some “Judeo-Christian” faith is an oxymoron.

          • Aliquantillus

            You are diverging from the subject. I do not discuss with Antisemites.

          • JudgeRight

            Great. Blank accusations [“it doesn’t make sense”, “diverging”], typical unsupported and dramatic character attacks, [“you’re are an antisemite”], and cutting off conversation [“I do not discuss with antisemites.”]

            I couldn’t care less if you think that I am a pro-semite or antisemite and you know well that I am spot on the subject.

            My sincere suggestion to you is to honestly review what I wrote, check with your NT and your Bible, and decide for yourself, asking God to guide you. Then, hopefully it will all begin to make sense.

          • Aliquantillus

            Ephesians ch. II clearly demonstrates that the Gentile believers have become incorporated in Israel, i.e. the Jewish Remnant, not the other way round. And the “Better Covenant” is not a denial of the Torah, but its intensification: “This is the covenant which I will make with the House of Israel; After those days, says the LORD, I will put my Torah in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people”. This intensification is in line with the instructions of Messiah in the Gospels and is again a clear prediction that Israel will be fully restored, and that the Torah will be fully observed in the Kingdom Age. It goes against all exegetical rules to spiritualize texts like these and apply them to a Gentile Church.

            The Body of Messiah lives in the anticipation of the coming Kingdom, which will be erected at the Second Coming. This anticipation by faith is the way it participates in the New Covenant founded in the Blood of Messiah.

            There is no conflict between the Tanach texts which unequivocally predict the restoration of Israel and the NT, just as there is no conflict between sacrificial worship in the Temple and the once-and-for-all Sacrifice of Messiah. In a similar there is no conflict between this once-and-for-all Sacrifice and the repetitious nature of the Eucharist.

            You are constantly interpreting the text of the Tanach, and consequently of the NT, in a forced manner, which is completely contrary to their obvious meaning. The Book of Galatians is not contrary to the Torah or the Tanach. If it were so, this would deligitimize the Apostle Paul as a faithful witness of God’s revelation, just as it would deligitimize Jesus as Messiah if he had taught things contrary to the Torah. He never did. But Christian theologians do. Jesus clearly commands to keep all the Torah (in Mt. 5:19).

            Paul in Galatians only turns against those who would make circumcision and legal conversion to Judaism the means of eternal justification. And that’s also the point of Acts ch. XV.

          • JudgeRight

            The restoration of Israel in the NT consists in the dissolution of its nationalistic and supremacists ambitions into the new people of God, if so they choose to accept [the Lordship of Jesus].

            For the sake of common understating let me state here that we may read the same texts but their interpretation is diametrically opposite. You see the NT as an enhancement of the OT and the nationalistic ideas of the Jews as the “chosen people” regardless of Christ (actually this is an enhancement of Judaism, which barely cares about OT anymore). I see the NT as a fulfillment of the law by faith in Christ, which was the promise given to Abraham.

            Ephesians 2 does not dissolve the Gentile believers into the “superior destiny” of Israel. Just the opposite. Ephesians 2-3 nullifies any “manifest destiny” for the nation of Israel as a former OT people of God. It is a reconciliation between the difference of Jew and Gentile in Jesus Christ. Will quote here for ease of access:

            11 Therefore remember that at one time you Gentiles in the flesh, called “the uncircumcision” by what is called the circumcision, which is made in the flesh by hands— 12 remember that you were at that time separated from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. 13 But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ. 14 For he himself is our peace, who has made us both one and has broken down in his flesh the dividing wall of hostility 15 by abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances, that he might create in himself one new man in place of the two, so making peace, 16 and might reconcile us both to God in one body through the cross, thereby killing the hostility. 17 And he came and preached peace to you who were far off and peace to those who were near. 18 For through him we both have access in one Spirit to the Father. (Eph. 2:11-18)

            Mind verse 16 – there is no submission of the Gentile Christian identity into Israelite superior vision and covenant. Both are “equalized” through the reconciliation done by Christ on the cross. Verse 17 clearly means that the one covenant in Christ is valid for “both” meaning Jew and Gentile. As the Gentile must repent and believe in Christ to join the new people, so does the Jew.

            Jesus will not bring the fulfillment of God’s promise to Israel, as you state. Jesus has already fulfilled God’s promise to Israel, which actually is dissolved in the promise to Abraham. God’s promise to Israel was fulfilled when Jesus came to their nation and only handful recognized Him and accepted Him. Jesus’ promise to Abraham that as a man of faith, his “offspring” (which is Christ, Gal. 3), will be a blessing to all nations.

            The biblical consistency between OT and NT is maintained not by insisting that the OT dictates how we should interpret the NT (in your third and fourth paragraph), but just the opposite, by seeing the law in the light of the cross. The nation of Israel is not the goal of the promise. The nations of the world are, and Israel was to bring salvation to them not through its own supremacy but by its humility. However, when the Messiah came they did not recognize Him for two related reasons 1) they were too stuck on their supremacy to other nations by being the chosen people; 2) they had departed from their own law and Moses, that’s why they did not recognize Jesus as the Messiah (John 1:17; 5:45-46). The third reason is found in Romans 11:31 — God hardened all, Jew and Gentile, to show Himself merciful and so that no one will boast before Him with on his own merit (Eph. 2:9).

            The book of Galatians clearly presents the OT law as an intermediate “guardian” of the promise until the time of faith in Jesus Christ.

            19 Why then the law? It was added because of transgressions, until the offspring should come to whom the promise had been made, and it was put in place through angels by an intermediary…

            21 Is the law then contrary to the promises of God? Certainly not! For if a law had been given that could give life, then righteousness would indeed be by the law. 22 But the Scripture imprisoned everything under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.

            The law was not contrary to the promise, but the coming of the offspring [Christ] certainly made faith the way to reconciliation with God not the law. Even if you insist that in v. 22 the promise of faith relates only to Gentiles, because the Jews have their own covenant with God (which is your main thesis) then the following verses show even more clearly that the Jew has to repent and believe in Christ as much as the Gentile:

            25 But now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian, 26 for in Christ Jesus you are all sons of God, through faith. 27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave[g] nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 And if you are Christ’s, then you are Abraham’s offspring, heirs according to promise.

            To be heirs to the promise you must be Abraham’s offspring. To be Abraham’s offspring you must be in Christ. Jew and Gentile and there is no difference any longer. Jews who are not in Christ are NOT heirs of the promise. Natural anti-Christ Israel has nothing to offer to the world, besides their own unbelief (of course, along with Gentile unbelievers).

            Finally, your statement that there is no contradiction between a renewed temple worship (new building in Jerusalem) and the high priesthood of Christ is a fallacy. You cannot have a new temple worship of OT style that will sacrifice animals given the fact of Jesus’ perfect sacrifice. Any such temple “sacrifice” is a mockery of the sacrifice of Jesus and an abomination. Need not quote here the whole book of Hebrews.

            5 Consequently, when Christ came into the world, he said,

            “Sacrifices and offerings you have not desired,
            but a body have you prepared for me;
            6 in burnt offerings and sin offerings
            you have taken no pleasure.
            7 Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come to do your will, O God,
            as it is written of me in the scroll of the book.’”
            8 When he said above, “You have neither desired nor taken pleasure in sacrifices and offerings and burnt offerings and sin offerings” (these are offered according to the law), 9 then he added, “Behold, I have come to do your will.” He does away with the first in order to establish the second. (Heb. 10:5-9)

            Christ’s supreme high priesthood speaks of eternal and better things, and a temple that is not earthly (this in response to your political vision of Israel’s worldwide leadership)

            Hebrews 9:11 [ Redemption Through the Blood of Christ ] But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things that have come, then through the greater and more perfect tent (not made with hands, that is, not of this creation).

            This also answers your diminishing of the essence of the eternal inheritance in Christ by turning it into a world-like political order and by calling belief in the eternal and invisible, but soon to be manifested Kingdom, “spiritualizing.” The new earth and the new heaven is actually literal interpretation of the Bible but for those who want the Zionist vision it is too unreal and “spiritual.”

            No need to continue this argument. We will not change our respective fundamental lines of interpretation. I insist that yours is completely opposite to the truth we see by the Holy Spirit in the New Testament and the testimony of our Lord Jesus Christ.

          • Aliquantillus

            The dissolution of the nationality of the Jews is completely contrary to the promises of God and a typical error of Replacement Theology, the consequences of which are clearly antisemitic. God’s promises to the literal nation of Israel include its national restoration and all the prophets testify to that. For instance:

            And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children’s children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever. Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them; it shall be an everlasting covenant with them: and I will place them, and multiply them, and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore. My tabernacle also shall be with them: yea, I will be their God, and they shall be my people. And the heathen shall know that I the Lord do sanctify Israel, when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.” (Ez. 37:25-28)

            The sanctuary mentioned here is described in detail chs. XL-XLVIII of the same prophecy.

            As to your Ephesians text, the abolishment of the commandments mentioned there is not about the commandments of the Torah, but, literally interpreted, of the “dogmatic regulations” which were regarded necessary by the Sages to completely separate Jews and Gentiles before the Advent of Messiah. These regulations were no longer necessary in the Body of Messiah, because the believing Gentiles had renounced their idolatry and were incorporated into the House of Israel by their faith. Therefore it became permissible, for instance, for Jews and Gentiles to eat together and have common meals expressing their unity in Messiah.

            The text concerning sacrifices and offering not willed by God in Hebrews ch. X should be carefully interpreted, because it is a quotation from Ps. XL, when the Torah and sacrificial worship were indisputably in force. This text therefore doesn’t deny the validity of ongoing sacrificial worship, but only states that, ultimately, everything is about the direction of our hearts and minds. The Apostle uses this text to point to the definitive sacrifice of Messiah. We have another example of this relativizing in Ps. LI, where David says: “thou desirest not sacrifice, else would I give it: thou delightest not in burnt offering. The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise” (Ps. 51:16-17). But notice that this Psalm ends with mentioning the buikling of Zion and Jerusalem, and the sacrificial worship to be brought there: “Then shalt thou be pleased with the sacrifices of righteousness, with burnt-offering and whole burnt-offering: then shall they offer bullocks upon thine altar”. So this relativizing of sacrificial worship is itself also relativized. Its main point is simply to emphasize that worship must be free of hypocrisy and cannot remain only an external act. Our hearts and minds have be involved in it.

            As to Hebrews 10:9 saying that “the first is done away in order to establish the second”, you read too much in this text. It doesn’t imply that sacrificial worship simply ceased after the Sacrifice of the Cross, but that the Sacrifice of the Cross of Messiah laid the foundations for a new order of things. We know that in the New Creation after the Millennium animal sacrifices will no longer be needed because all things will have reached their ultimate perfection. But this ultimate perfection is not immediately obtained. This perfection will only be gradually realized. First, by the establishment of the Assembly of Messiah, leading up to the restoration of all Israel and the Millennial Kingdom, and, finally, by the New Creation and the cessation of sacrificial worship. All these are the effects of the Sacrifice of Messiah, but historically they are only gradually effectuated.

            We should remember that the Apostles themselves took part in sacrificial worship and visited the Temple. There’s no reason to suppose e.g. that they ceased to the bring the Passover lambs, which is a very severe obligation of the Torah. And we see that in the Temple of Ezechiel even sin sacrifices will be offered (in Ez. ch. XLVIII). If one reads about all the technical details of Ezechiel’s Temple, it is very clear that these can in no way be spiritualized or allegorized away. And therefore the only consistent way to interpret the text of the Epistle Hebrews is to interpret it in line with the preceding revelations, including the Prophecy of Ezechiel.

            In the time before Messiah, the sacrifices of the Torah pointed toward his final and ultimate sacrifice. In the Millennial Kingdom the sacrifices of the future Temple will point back to Messiah’s sacrifice. In both cases the animal sacrifices sacramentally represent Messiah’s sacrifice.

          • JudgeRight

            Here I must address your statement that the seeking of dissolution of Jewish “nationality” is the source of anti-semtism. One, you quote me wrongly: I said dissolution of Jewish “nationalism.” Secondly, the propaganda effort by Zionist to call “antisemitism” any attempt to deny their manifest destiny supermacism is just that — a propaganda trick. I am not concerned with the Jewish national efforts, although they do play a role in explaining theology and end times; after all God is the God of history and the nations. However, I am more concerned with Zionist and Jewish attempts to pervert the New Testament to mean that Christians’ main goal is not to evangelize the Jew and the Gentile, but to support the Jewish nationalism by some disguised double covenant theory.

            There is only one covenant and one perfect sacrifice — that of the Lord Jesus Christ. This is the eternal covenant for all who accept it Jew and Gentile. There is no eternal covenant for a special status of the nation of the Jews outside of the eternal covenant and high priesthood of Jesus Christ.

            I will say only this the animal sacrifice in the new temple “pointing back” to the Messiah is in fact the abomination that causes desolation. It is an abomination before God to sacrifice animals in reminiscence of the “things to come,” because that was the purpose of those animal sacrifices, when the things have come already, and Christ has completed His mission. Remember the words “it is finished” on the cross. It is a mockery of Chris’t sacrifice to rebuild a physical temple when He himself is the temple and so are those in whom by faith lives the Holy Spirit. The cessation of the sacrifice in the Jewish temple happened when their Temple was destroyed by the Romans in 70 AD. I wonder why if the Jews were so beloved God allowed their temple to be destroyed? There is no need for an earthly physical temple made of stone if the temple of God is the people of God, those born from above. The only true chance for the Jew back then and today is to repent of their sin, and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. There is no other messiah, and Jews (or Gentiles) cannot find salvation anywhere else.

          • davidrev17

            “Take from them silver and gold, and make a crown, and set it on the head of Joshua [Hebrew = Yeshua] the son of Jehozadak, the high priest. And say to him, ‘Thus says the Lord of hosts, “Behold, the man whose name is the Branch: for he shall branch out from his place, and he shall build the temple of the Lord. It is he who shall build the temple of the Lord and shall bear royal honor, and shall sit and rule on his throne. And there shall be a priest on his throne, and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.”’ And the crown shall be in the temple of the Lord as a reminder to Helem, Tobijah, Jedaiah, and Hen the son of Zephaniah.“ And those who are far off shall come and help to build the temple of the Lord. And you shall know that the Lord of hosts has sent me to you. And this shall come to pass, if you will diligently obey the voice of the Lord your God.” (Zechariah 6:11-15)

            Wow! Notice the powerfully compelling symbolism inherent in this vision: a “Man, whose name is the Branch” – or Messiah, e.g., Isaiah 11:1-9; Jeremiah 23:5-8 – who’s also granted the duties and responsibilities of functioning as a “Priestly/King,” in this physical “temple of Yahweh” some day, “seated, and ruling upon a throne,” and whose physical location must necessarily be in Jerusalem??

            These events have never taken place before; and I sure can’t find even the slightest illustration, or inference in this text, to any abominable activity taking place here by the Messiah himself, or anyone else, Can you?

            And notice how verse 15 states, that all of this activity is obviously contingent upon the wholehearted obedience of the Jewish people. Well, this sure ain’t the situation in modern-day Israel! But what if something really BIG does take place, of which has the potential to profoundly “open the hearts & eyes” of these still largely rebellious, spiritually blinded people in Israel – as well as those Jewish individuals scattered throughout planet earth – that brings them to their knees, in genuine repentance before the Lord?? (i.e., Revelation 1:7; Zechariah 12:10-14)

            What if these still unfulfilled “times” above, represent the future “days” to which Jesus was referring as he wept over Jerusalem; while prophesying their utter destruction in the near future (70 AD) – yet still strangely assures them that “YOU WILL NOT SEE ME AGAIN UNTIL YOU SAY…”?? Clearly the Jewish people have to be back in their land, as well as retaining some control over the city of Jerusalem, in order for these still unfulfilled events to even have a chance at taking place? Or was the omniscient, sovereign “Spirit of Truth” Himself, just mistaken about what He’s spoken in His Holy Word?

            ☆ ☆ ☆

            “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the city that kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to it! How often would I have gathered your children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you were not willing! See, your house is left to you desolate. For I tell you, that you will not see me again, until you [Jewish people & religious leaders] say, ‘Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.’” (Matthew 23:37-39)

          • JudgeRight

            Quotes from you, then comments from me:

            1) “What if these still unfulfilled “times” above, represent the future “days” to which Jesus was referring as he wept over Jerusalem; while prophesying their utter destruction in the near future (70 AD) – yet assures them almost simultaneously, that “YOU WILL NOT SEE ME AGAIN UNTIL YOU SAY…”?? Clearly the Jewish people have to be back in their land, as well as retaining some control over the city of Jerusalem, in order for these still unfulfilled events to even have a chance of taking place? Or was the omniscient, sovereign “Spirit of Truth” Himself, simply mistaken about what He’s spoken in His Holy Word?”

            Comment: Times past and times current. The temple of the Lord is the sum of believers in Him through His Son Jesus Christ. No other temple needed. God lives through His Spirit in the believer and respectively in His people who are also called “church” somewhat confusing the issue.

            “You will not see me again until you say…” is addressed at the Jews. They will not see Christ for who He is until they humble themselves and say that He is blessed, because He comes in the name of the Lord. Jesus prophesies the Jews spiritual blindness. They can regain their status of God’s people as they repent and believe in Christ. Until then they are not seeing anything.

            Salvation is from the Jews (Jn 4:22) but the coming of Christ made worship to be available not only at the physical temple, which God even asked David what he was thinking to build a place for God to inhabit since the heavens are His throne and the earth is His footstool. A time is coming when true worshipers will worship in spirit and in truth, not only in Jerusalem. There will be no return form the standard. The Jews wanted the temple because it symbolized their national identity but not the true worship of God. that’s why Jesus argued with them

            John 2:20 The Jews then said, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will you raise it up in three days?” He did, He spoke of his broken and resurrected body. That’s where God lives. Not in man-made temples. Thus in NT we have two temples: 1) the temple of God — the believer and the temple of the corporate people of God, followers of Jesus; 2) the temple which is the Lamb Himself, see Revelation.

            I am skipping Scripture references for expedience. Available upon request.

            Just one passage as an illustration and inspiration:

            22 You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, for salvation is from the Jews. 23 But the hour is coming, and is now here, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father is seeking such people to worship him. 24 God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.” 25 The woman said to him, “I know that Messiah is coming (he who is called Christ). When he comes, he will tell us all things.” 26 Jesus said to her, “I who speak to you am he.” (John 4:22-26)

            Welcome to the NT and our Lord’s perfect and saving sacrifice.

          • davidrev17

            “No other [physical Jerusalem] temple is needed.” Wow!

            Yet since “context always determines meaning,” please demonstrate the biblical context foundational to such personal, “eisegetically” contrived declarations like you just made; when in fact, the very “context” of this (Zechariah 6:11-15) passage, literally demands that such a physical Jerusalem Temple be built someday – whose historical fulfillment will indeed be Divinely choreographaed by the Messiah himself.

            Does the plain teaching of the Word of God mean anything to you at all? Or do you just ignore whole-chunks of Holy Scripture of which demolish, or dismantle, your cherished interpretations?

            Why on earth (or heaven for that matter) would such obvious texts be included in the inerrant Word of God, if there was NO purpose or meaning undergirding such passages – whose historical application strongly infers a literal, thus inexorable fulfillment in time-space-dimension history someday, uniquely associated with the “return” (or “second coming”/Hebrews 9:28 etc.) to planet earth? You know, just like the multiplied dozens of OT prophecies that were literally fulfilled during Messiah Yeshua’s first advent. (Incidentally, there were seven [7] specific OT prophecies fulfilled in the life of Judas alone, re: his betrayal/selling-out of Israel’s Messiah!) After all, Yahweh is timeless, transcendent, eternal etc.

            You also made the same bizarre “eisegetical” declaration to me, in spite of the plain teaching in the OT, where national Israel is concerned – meaning Israel’s being covenantally referred to as the [now divorced] “wife of Yahweh” (e.g., Jeremiah 3:1, 8, 14); yet whose marital status of ultimate “restoration” someday future, is also plainly/clearly taught in OT Scripture.

            And notice carefully, the very “context” in which the following Hosea chapter two passage (in its entirety too) is both UNilaterally & UNconditionally premised, or framed, by the omnipotent/omniscient Yahweh – as in those ubiquitous “I WILL” statements unique to the New Covenant language of Jeremiah 31:31-37, or Hebrews 8 – in spite of Israel’s historically consistent sinful rebellion & spiritual harlotry…right up until the present hour:

            “…And I WILL BETROTH YOU [ISRAEL] TO ME FOREVER. I WILL BETROTH you to me in righteousness and in justice, in steadfast love and in mercy. I WILL BETROTH you to me in faithfulness. And you shall know the Lord” (Hosea 2:19-20/ESV, emphasis added).

            What on earth could the eternal Yahweh possibly mean in this particular “context”?? And please don’t forget the spiritually noxious, horrendously “Laodicean” condition in which His 20th/21st-century NT “Bride” has been tragically mired for decades now, throughout most of the West!

            Just how could WE in the NT Church, or “ekklesia” at this hour, be considered (by our Heavenly Father and/or the “Bridegroom”) to be any more righteous, privileged, distinguished, or morally desirable, than the wholly secularized nation of Israel IS right now – when OUR (the NT “Bride’s”) morally reprobate condition almost perfectly reflects that of national/political Israel? For Pete’s sake: the so-called professing Church in America, has since become virtually indistinguishable from its surrounding culture, or “this-worldly” system!

          • Aliquantillus

            You are imposing your own theological view on Scripture instead of letting Scripture speak for itself. You in fact deny the inspiration of the Prophets who umambiguously predict the national restoration of Israel, in particular the Prophet Ezechiel.

            Faithful theological exposition of Scripture must always adhere to the axiom that later revelation is to be interpreted in harmony with earlier revelation, and that earlier revelation cannot be overthrown by a later revelation. Otherwise God would simply be utterly untrustworthy.

            Your spiritualizing approach is simply unsustainable in the light of the prophecies of Ezechiel concerning the national resurrection of Israel and the Millennial Temple as found in chs. XL-XLVIII.

            You pit texts against each other which are in fact in complete harmony. Of course Jesus is the only Messiah and redemption is always through him. But this redemption does not only extend to individual redemption but also the national redemption of Israel, the nation that in the future will accept Jesus as its King Messiah.

            Why was the Temple destroyed? Because the nation of Israel didn’t accept Jesus during his life here on earth, and refused to repent during the timeframe of the Book of Acts. Thus they rejected the National Kingdom Offer, that started with the ministry of the forerunner, John the Baptist, and which came to a provisional end in Acts 28:25-31 by the verdict of St. Paul in these verses. But this end was only provisional, for the promises of God, including the explicitly national promises made to Israel, are irrevocable. So God will resume his dealings with national Israel in the end-time, and at that time they will ultimately repent and accept Jesus as their national Messiah when he returns, and enter the Kingdom Age.

            Yea, and when this happens the Nation of Israel will be elevated above all nations, and the glory of the LORD will return to Jerusalem, His resting place, as witnessed by all the Prophets, through Messiah Jesus, who will in God’s Name and authority reign on earth as King of kings and Lord of lords.

            The abomination of the desolation is the desecration of the holy place which will happen in the time of Antichrist, in the crisis leading up to the Millennium. Paul refers to this crisis as the coming of the man of sin, whom he terms “the Lawless one”, which actually means the man without Torah or the Torah-less one, i.e. the person who will be the end-result of the principle of iniquity which is already operative now (cf. II Thessalonians ch. II). This principle of iniquity is literally translated the principle of lawlessness, which again means the principle of Torah-lessness, and thus points to the ever increasing rejection of the Torah. This ever-increasing rejection of the Torah has made history in official Christianity, which first rejected the ritual laws and nowadays rejects also the moral laws of the Torah, and thus has developed to complete lawlessness — and, consequently will become apostate and join the Antichrist. Also the Apostle St. John testifies to this when he defines sin as transgression of the Torah: “Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the Torah, for sin is the transgression of the Torah” (I Jn. 3:4).

            The Lord Jesus Christ refers to this crisis before the Millennium as the “Great Tribulation”, and warns his disciples about it that they who will experience it should flee and pray that their flight be not in the winter or on the Sabbath day (Mt. 24:20), which is another indication of the enduring validity of the Torah, confirmed by Apoc. 12:17, where we find a faithful Jewish remnant, of which it is said that it is the remnant of the woman’s seed, “which keep the commandments of God (i.e. the Torah) and have the testimony of Jesus Christ”. The woman here is clearly a symbol of national Israel which brings forth the man child, i.e. Messiah (Apoc. 12:5).

            Of course there is a need for a physical Temple in the Messianic Kingdom. The public rule of God on earth in a theocracry requires a royal court and etiquette and this is what the Temple and sacrificial worship essentially is.

            What was finished on the Cross is not the Torah, but the sufferings of Messiah, which are once-and-for-all-time. There’s only one sacrifice of Messiah, and this sacrifice needs no repetition. Its effects are full all time and even for eternity. Only this sacrifice guarantees our entrance into the World to Come, i.e. the new and eternal creation of the new heavens and earth. But before that, in the earthly situation of the Millennium, when many people will still be in their mortal bodies, sacrfices will be necessary, including sacrifices for sin as mentioned in Ezechiel ch. XLIV, where it is said of the levitical priests of the future Temple: “They shall eat the meat-offering, and the sin-offering, and the trespass-offering, and every dedicated thing in Israel shall be their’s”. No way that this saying can be spiritualized or allogorized away. It is even confirmed that the priests will be of the sacred lineage of Zadok (Ez. 40:46; 43:19).

            There is no conflict between these promises and the unique and all-sufficient nature of Messiah’s sacrifice, unless in a wooden theology. The sin offerings of the Temple don’t guarantee eternal salvation, but only forgiveness during this earthly life in a situation when there is a theocracy. Only Messiah’s sacrifice has the power to give us eternal forgiveness and eternal life. And the limited power of forgiveness that is in the sacrificial system of the Temple ultimately derives all its force from the merits of Messiah and his sacrifice. For all these sacrifices are limited participations and expressions of the one great sacrifice, and they distribute some of the graces contained in it.

          • stan schmunk

            What you are saying goes far beyond the Dispensationalism in which I was raised and is blatant heresy. The promise of the temple in Ezekiel was made to the returning exiles from Babylon and was conditional, based on their obedience. Ezekiel 43: 9-11 Ezra and Nehemiah tell how they responded. The story of Israel is the story of sin abounding and grace abounding still more. Jesus became our Temple. And Abraham saw this from afar. The one to whom the promise was made was looking for a heavenly city, NOT an earthly one! And yet we’re focusing on this evil earthly city! Any Jew right now can inherit his place in the new heaven, new earth and NEW JERUSALEM by confessing Christ. Why aren’t we focusing on that and evangelizing the Arab people? Do you realize that according to Scriptures the Arab Christians in Israel are the true Jews while the unbelieving Jews are not?

          • Aliquantillus

            You are just an antisemitic jerk of the worst kind. Arabs being Jews, fi donc!

          • JudgeRight

            Just one comment. You cannot put the Torah over Jesus Christ. The law is less than the Word of God who is Christ.

            Also, quote: “The abomination of the desolation is the desecration of the holy place which will happen in the time of Antichrist, in the crisis leading up to the Millennium.”

            Absolutely not. The abomination of desolation is the desecration of the sacrifice of Christ by installing OT sacrifice during the NT. Just think about it without your background and adopted ready doctrines.

          • Aliquantillus

            The answer to the first point is that If the Torah is not an enduring standard, then Jesus Christ cannot be the Messiah. The Book Deuteronomy gives criteria by which a true future Prophet should be accepted. One of these criteria is that the Torah is confirmed and upheld by this Prophet. How could be otherwise? Later revelations expand earlier ones, but they cannot contradict them.

            The fact that the Torah remains an enduring standard doesn’t at all take away that the Word-made-flesh, i.e. Christ, is greater than the Torah. But why should something that is greater or more than what precedes it be in conflict with this preceding thing? The fact that Christ is in perfect harmony with the Torah and confirms the Torah (Mt. 5:17-19) doesn’t at all deny that he is the purpose or end-goal of the Torah. Here again you are constructing a conflict which doesn’t exist.

            As to the abomination of desolation, it is clearly stated by Christ that it will stand in the holy place, and that it is spoken of by Daniel the Prophet (Mt. 24:15). Now Daniel says of this abomination that it consists in the pollution of the Sanctuary and in taking away the daily sacrifice. That’s exactly why it is called the abomination of desolation, because it signifies the abomination that makes desolate (Dan. 11:31). This is confirmed by Dan. 12:11, which says that “the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up”. So what is taken away from the holy place is the daily sacrfice, and what is installed there is the abomination of desolation.

            This is clear proof that the abomination of desolation not the installing of the Temple sacrfices but the taking away of them and the installement of something else, presumably the man of sin of II Thess. 2:3-4.

          • JudgeRight

            Here I give three quotes about the meaning of sacrifice which illustrate the dramatic error you are demonstrating about the work of Jesus Christ. Quote then my comment:

            1) “We should remember that the Apostles themselves took part in sacrificial worship and visited the Temple.”

            No, this is speculation. They visited the temple to preach the Good News of Jesus Christ. There is no evidence in the Scriptures that they sacrificed animals.

            2) “In the time before Messiah, the sacrifices of the Torah pointed toward his final and ultimate sacrifice. In the Millennial Kingdom the sacrifices of the future Temple will point back to Messiah’s sacrifice. In both cases the animal sacrifices sacramentally represent Messiah’s sacrifice.”

            Absolutely not. We are looking forward not backwards. why do you need a shadow of the future glory if you have the glory? Very typical example of the confusion of the Zionist and judaizing falsehood.

            3) “As to Hebrews 10:9 saying that “the first is done away in order to establish the second”, you read too much in this text. It doesn’t imply that sacrificial worship simply ceased after the Sacrifice of the Cross, but that the Sacrifice of the Cross of Messiah laid the foundations for a new order of things. We know that in the New Creation after the Millennium animal sacrifices will no longer be needed because all things will have reached their ultimate perfection. But this ultimate perfection is not immediately obtained. This perfection will only be gradually realized.”

            Complete fallacy. The ultimate perfection was already obtained by the perfect sacrifice by the Son of God on the cross. It is a historical fact. Any other sacrifice that attempts to challenge, diminish or substitute that fully sufficient sacrifice is an abomination in the eyes of God. Any interpretation of Scripture or man’s history must take place through the revolutionary event of Jesus’ life ministry and death and resurrection. Judaism and Zionism purposefully deny or minimize God’s redemptive plan and Christ’s ransom paid for our sins. Animal sacrifices are only a reminder of our sins. Why do we need to be reminded of our sins if we have victory over sin in Christ’s sacrifice (See Heb. 10:3).

          • Aliquantillus

            One example of the continuing relevance of the Torah, and implicitly of the sacrifices, is found in Acts 21:20, where the elders of the community in Jerusalem said to St. Paul: “Thou seest, brother, how many thousands of Jews there are which believe; and they are all zealous of the Torah“. One cannot be zeolous of the Torah by neglecting the obligatory sacrifices. Another example is that St. Paul took upon him to bring the sacrifices for group of men who had taken a vow: “Then Paul took the men, and the next day purifying himself with them entered into the Temple, to signify the accomplishment of the days of purification, until that an offering should be offered for every one of them” (Acts 21:26).

            At that time there were false rumours that St. Paul taught the Jews which were among the Gentiles to forsake Moses” (Acts. 21:21). In order to refute and stop these rumours as false and to establish the truth that St. Paul faithfully obeyed the Torah a public act was necessary. So by purifying himself with this group of men who had taken a vow, St. Paul openly demonstrated his adherence to the Torah, in order that “all may know that those things whereof they were informed concerning thee [i.e. the false rumours that St. Paul preached apostasy from Moses and the Torah], are nothing; but that thou thyself also walkest orderly and keepest the Torah” (Acts 21:24).

            As to the point that ultimate perfection was already obtained by the perfect sacrifice of Messiah, you confuse the perfection of the sacrifice with the perfection of its purpose and effects. The sacrifice is indeed once and for all and qua sacrifice perfect. But this doesn’t take away that its effects take time to realize and that this realization is not fully completed before the coming of the new heavens and earth. Nor does it take away that some of these effects will be realized by means of the Sanctuary in the theocracy of the Kingdom Age. In fact, it will be Jesus Christ who will be able to establish the Kingdom and the Temple of Ezechiel as a consequence of his sacrificial death.

            Why are you denying the clear testimony of all the Prophets? What you do is completely arbitrary. You contradict the Prophets by means of a wooden interpretation of some verses in the Epistle to the Hebrews. Why not the other way round? What’s the criterion of interpretation here? From my point of view, all texts should be interpreted in such a way that they form a harmonious whole.

          • stan schmunk

            God is the biggest most fierce anti-semite there is. Read Deuteronomy 28 and many other promises of judgement in the OT.

          • Aliquantillus

            Nobody — and certainly not the Jews themselves — denies the fact of God’s judgments on the Jewish nation, But all these judgements confirm the eternal nature of the Covenant. These judgments are themselves part of the covenant stipulations. So, if the Jews were no longer in a covenant relation with God, it would logically follow that neither the covenant’s promises nor the curses, would still apply. But exactly because God has promised never to abandon his nation, these promises and curses do apply.

            How can you be so blind as to accuse God himself of Antisemitism?

          • stan schmunk

            Hebrews 11 unites us all in one body. Even Abraham realized that the promise was of a heavenly city, not an earthly one. Jesus clearly said that unbelieving Israel worshipped Satan. He called their synagogues synagogues of Satan. The Revelation says that Jerusalem’s spiritual names are Sodom and Egypt and it rejoices over the death of the 2 witnesses and for that it is hit with a massive earthquake. Paul clearly that Jewish unbelievers are not Jews at all. BTW, the promise of the Temple in Ezekiel was conditioned on the faith and obedience of the people when they came back from Babylon.

          • davidrev17

            How interesting, in your eisegetical molding-and-shaping of Holy Scripture – in hopes of making the inerrant Word, conform to some theological house-of-cards built by man – that you can deftly move about in your interpretive wizardry, while cherry-picking which verses and/or passages to interpret literally, and which texts to spiritualize, allegorize, or even ignore – if such present contradictory challenges to your cherished theological paradigm. Absolutely amazing!

            So please allow me to provide a perfect, honest example of your interpretive skills, while you clearly ignore the long-standing principle that “context itself, always determines meaning”; and I’ll do this by using your above references to events in Revelation chapter 11:

            “The Revelation says that Jerusalem’s spiritual names are Sodom and Egypt and it rejoices over the death of the 2 witnesses and for that it is hit with a massive earthquake.”

            The historical context of these events, is no doubt unfolding in a literal/physical city called Jerusalem…it’s unmistakable. (11:8) You also acknowledge the “death of the two witnesses” (11:7-8) – but for some unknown reason, NOT their literal physical/bodily resurrection “three-and-a-half days” later (11:11-12) – whereby 11:12 states that “their [literal/physical] enemies saw them ascend to heaven in a cloud.” You also acknowledge Jerusalem’s being struck “in the same hour, by a great earthquake…” (11:13).

            So please tell me when these literal, physical, thus historical events were ever recorded, or chronicled to have taken place in Israel’s ancient history; particularly in view of chapter eleven’s obvious context in vv. 9-13, emphasizing that these literal events unfolded right before the knowledgeable “eyes” of a watching world, of whom was simultaneously aware of what was taking place in Jerusalem?

            Now the statement, “those who dwell on the earth” – a phrase btw, used 11-times in the Book of Revelation, which always denotes UNbelievers around this planet – of whom possess simultaneous knowledge of events taking place geographically far-away from their own lives (meaning in and around Israel & Jerusalem); could only happen upon a planet that was literally wired for simultaneous global/satellite communications. (Just think digital communications & news media broadcasting on the internet/computers, or satellite TV, plus billions of folk with smartphones & social media etc.)

            Clearly all of these literal/historical events you’ve acknowledged just above, couldn’t possibly have happened during the specific context of 70 AD in Jerusalem – nor at any other time throughout this planet’s history, except maybe during the last 20-years or so; unless of course you can cite to ancient rabbinical sources, Josephus et al., to corroborate your interpretive panache. I’d love to hear your scholarly-premised biblical response, my brother?

          • stan schmunk

            That’s extremely tortured and to call my references to Scripture ‘cherry-picking’ is quite a serious charge. I NEVER said that this was an historical past event. It is obviously an end-of-the-age event. It’s interesting that you didn’t discuss Jerusalem’s mystery or spiritual names…

    • davidrev17

      “And the Yahweh said to him [Solomon], “I have heard your prayer and your plea, which you have made before me. I have consecrated this house that you have built [in Jerusalem], by PUTTING MY NAME THERE FOREVER. My eyes and my heart will be there perpetually” [for all time]. My emphasis. (1 Kings 9:3; see also 11:13)

      “He is the Lord our God; his judgments are in all the earth. He remembers his covenant forever, the word that he commanded, for a thousand generations, the covenant that he made with Abraham, his sworn promise to Isaac, which he confirmed to Jacob as a statute, to Israel [NOT the NT “Church”] as an everlasting covenant, saying, “To you I will give the land of Canaan as your portion for an inheritance” (Psalm 105:7-11/ESV, emphasis added.)

      “The Lord said to Abram, after Lot had separated from him, “Lift up your eyes and look from the place where you are, northward and southward and eastward and westward, for all the land that you see I will give to you and to your offspring FOREVER. I will make your offspring as the dust of the earth, so that if one can count the dust of the earth, your offspring also can be counted. Arise, walk through the length and the breadth of the land, for I will give it to you.” (Genesis 13:14-17/ESV, my emphasis; see especially all of Genesis 15; 17:1-21; 22:15-18; 26:2-5; 28:10-17; 35:9-15; Hebrews 6:13-18.)

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      There’s not enough time, or space to adequately cover this exhaustive subject my friend, but I do hope you’ll prayerfully consider the very “character of God,” as this critically relevant subject (to WE human beings) relates to what follows:

      Perhaps the reason you seem to be struggling with theological, thus prophetic myopia, could have something to do with your having ignored so much of the Old Testament, seen in your imploring “Christians to go back to their New Testament’s and read them carefully so not to fall into the deception of the end times…”? Please correct me if I’m wrong.

      Please don’t forget that when the rabbinical scholar, Sha’ul of Tarsus, or Apostle Paul, stated in 2 Timothy 3:16, that “all Scripture is given by inspiration of God” [literal Greek = “God breathed”], and is profitable for DOCTRINE, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness…” – there was NO recognized New Testament Canon in existence at the time; whose historical reality would naturally include EVERY other use of the word “Scripture” found throughout the New Testament. (e.g., Luke 24:25-27, 44-48; Acts 28:23-31) So the NT is filled with the OT! Furthermore, with these facts in mind, it’s manifestly certain that the very message of mankind’s redemption “from the curse of sin and death” – i.e., the “Gospel of Yeshua/Jesus the Messiah” – was itself derived from the Hebrew Scriptures.

      Haven’t you ever considered, or wondered why the NT is almost saturated with direct quotations, paraphrases, and allusions from nothing but the Hebrew Bible? In fact, in the brief 22-chapters of the Book of Revelation alone, scholars have recognized almost 300 Old Testament quotations, references, allusions etc.

      Now having said the above: when Yahweh directed Moses (Exodus 4:22) to tell Pharoah, that [national] “ISRAEL is my son, my firstborn,” surely you recognize that this couldn’t possibly represent a valid reference to the NT Church, or “ekklesia”; whose spiritual entity was an OT “mystery” anyway (Matthew 16:18; Ephesians 3:1-12), illustrating something entirely brand NEW in-the-making, so to speak, during the advent of Yeshua of Nazareth, and was thus was totally distinct from theocratic nation/political ISRAEL.

      Then, what of the clear OT teaching that national Israel was regarded as the “wife of Yahweh” (e.g., Jeremiah 3:14) – remember the radically different NT “Church” designation as the Bride of Christ? – whose divorce due to their habitual sin & spiritual harlotry (Jer. 3:8, but see 3:14-18) during ancient history (just think of the prophet Hosea, and Gomer), will ultimately result in Israel’s being restored, thus “betrothed to Yahweh forever…” – i.e., consider all of Hosea chapter two, but esp. 2:14-23 – due to the loving faithfulness of Almighty God alone!!

      If you can almost blasphemously believe that Yahweh is capable of lying – and compare such a notion with Numbers 23:19; Malachi 3:6; Hebrews 6:18; 13:8; Titus 1:1-3 – then what on earth becomes of all those human beings to whom Yahweh has ever “sworn an oath”; particularly when He’s spoken definitively, and finally to humanity, through the fully-human, yet fully-Divine physical/bodily resurrected & glorified Son of Man himself?? (e.g., Hebrews 1:1-4; 13:8; Mark 14:57-65; Daniel 7:9-14)

      If you can believe this – then the transcendent Creator God self-revealed in the Judeo-Christian Scriptures, is an insidiously deceptive charlatan, thus figment of our imagination, or simply UNtrustworthy; in which obvious case, “all bets-are-off” for His specially-created spirit creatures Homo sapiens? But that description sounds so much more like the “serpent of old,” as opposed to the “only true and Living God,” doesn’t it?? (i.e., John 8:42-47; 10:10)

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      “So when they had come together, they asked him, “Lord, WILL YOU AT THIS TIME RESTORE THE KINGDOM TO ISRAEL?” He said to them, “It is not for you to know times or seasons that the Father has fixed by his own authority. But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you, and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.” And when he had said these things, as they were looking on, he was lifted up, and a cloud took him out of their sight. And while they were gazing into heaven as he went, behold, two men stood by them in white robes,and said, “Men of Galilee, why do you stand looking into heaven? This Jesus, who was taken up from you into heaven, will come in the same way as you saw him go into heaven.” (Acts 1:6-11/ESV; my emphasis again. See also in this context, Zechariah 14:1-11; Acts 3:17-26; Hebrews 9:28; Isaiah 4:1-6; Jeremiah 23:5-8; Psalm 2; 72; 110; 132.)

      • JudgeRight

        Here I am briefly responding to you in the reverse order.

        Times and seasons
        To your question about Acts 1:6 please see my response to Aliquntillus below.

        People of God
        National Israel is not the wife of God anymore. It is those who believe in Jesus, also know as the “church.”

        Quote: “So the NT is filled with the OT!” Of course it is. But it does not matter in the way you describe it. The Old Testament is still old. We have a better covenant, that sealed with the blood of Jesus. All Scripture must be interpreted to that new reality. The OT does not have independent from the cross of Jesus existence. Your insisting that the Old Testament is preemptive in regards to the work and life of Jesus is entirely wrong, 180 degrees opposite to the truth. It is the life and blessing in the OT that points to the promised coming of the Messiah, Who is Jesus Christ.

        Abrahamic Covenant
        The everlasting covenant God had with Abraham and to which you refer to concerns Christ. Natural Israel were part of that covenant until the new covenant concluded through the crucifixion, death and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ. After that a new race and a new nation emerged, those saved by the grace of God through faith in His only Son. This is actually the “being a blessing to all nations,” promised to Abraham, confirmed in the Great Commission, and fulfilled in Acts and the evangelistic ministry of the Church (Galatians 3)

        Your theories are a complete reversal of the grace and hope we were given through the life and sacrifice of our Lord. The judaizing false teaching to early Christians, which apostle Paul addresses in the whole book of Galatians, that following the law and circumcision is needed to be saved was actually a different gospel which led to a curse, not a blessing. Its contemporary version is Zionist Christianity which serves only false Jewish “messianism” which is still as political, as in the times of Jesus, and still as delusional and void of faith as back then.

        Only in the Lord Jesus Christ there is salvation and blessing and eternal life. All other covenants and gods are simply the product of false teachings.

        • davidrev17

          “For I tell you that Christ became a servant to the circumcised [JEWS], to show God’s truthfulness, in order to confirm the promises given to the patriarchs [Abraham, Isaac and Jacob], in order that the Gentiles might glorify God for his mercy. As it is written, “Therefore I will praise you among the Gentiles, and sing to your name” (Romans 15:8-9/ESV, emphasis added).

          “You [JEWS] are the sons of the prophets and of the covenant that God made with your fathers, saying to Abraham, ‘And in your offspring shall all the families of the earth be blessed.’ God, having raised up his servant [Yeshua] SENT HIM TO YOU FIRST, to bless you by turning every one of you from your wickedness” (Acts 3:25-26/ESV, my emphasis of course).

          “On the contrary, when they [the Jewish leaders of the Church @ the “Jerusalem Council” in Acts 15] saw that I [Paul] had been entrusted with the gospel to the uncircumcised [Gentiles], just as Peter had been entrusted with the gospel to the circumcised (for he [The Holy Spirit] who worked through Peter for his apostolic ministry to the circumcised [Jews], also worked through me for mine to the Gentiles), and when James and Cephas and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given to me, they gave the right hand of fellowship to Barnabas and me, that we should go to the Gentiles and they to the circumcised” [Jews]. (Galatians 2:7-9/ESV)

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          So, the Jewish apostle Peter et al. had exclusively evangelized the Jews (i.e., Acts 2-thru-7) during roughly the first several “formative years” of the 1st-century Church. Even the rabbinical scholar Sha’ul of Tarsus, or the Apostle Paul, the “Apostle to the Gentiles,” had evangelized the Jewish people at every conceivable opportunity in their synagogues. After all, UNsaved Jews were Paul’s consistently fiercest detractors, or enemies, seen in several places throughout the Book of Acts – e.g., Acts 13:13-52; 14:1-7; 17:1-8; 28:17-31. Consequently, your idea re: the activity unique to the “Judaizers” of which Paul addresses in the Book of Galatians, has NO relevance whatsoever to what I’ve said here; since I wholeheartedly believe what Galatians 3:1-9 makes perfectly clear. (Notice Paul’s use of Genesis 15:6 in that passage, and in Romans 4:3 too!)

          Clearly, the sovereign Holy “Spirit of Truth” only has ONE “gospel of salvation” for humanity, i.e., both Jews & Gentiles; whose sole New Covenant message of redemption (you know, Jeremiah 31:31-37; Romans 1:16; Hebrews 8:) from the “curse of sin and death,” was Divinely ordained, or intended for “the Jew first then also for the Gentile.” (Romans 1:16) And absolutely NOthing has changed in Almighty God’s redemptive “plans” ever since…during the last 2,000 years! Thus ALL Jews throughout this planet, and alive at this very hour (including those in Israel), need to hear the ONLY saving message by which they can receive forgiveness for their sins & eternal life – “through Yeshua [the Jewish] Messiah our Lord.” (i.e., Romans 6:23)

          Now having noted this New Covenant distinction, I need to address your misguided, thus erroneous assumptions and/or accusations that I, et al. on this thread (perhaps Dr. Brown as well?) must necessarily subscribe to some wholly errant form of “Dual Covenant Theology” (e.g., read John Hagee), simply because we believe the Holy Bible comprises ONE single Book, not TWO. (Remember 2 Timothy 3:16: “All Scripture is God breathed…”?) So by this, I’m stressing the utterly bizarre, controlling hermeneutic to which you seem an ardent adherent: i.e., that the content of the Hebrew Bible has since been abrogated, or rendered null-and-void, ever since the formal inauguration, or establishment of the New Covenant through Israel’s Redeemer.

          Perhaps you’ve never heard of the tried-and-true interpretive “grid,” that “Scripture will always interpret Scripture”; or that “the New Covenant was concealed upon the pages of the Old Covenant [Testament], thus the OT was/is revealed within the text of the New Covenant”? (My paraphrase.) I don’t know if your overall theology/eschatology is premised upon the biblically unfounded notion of “Preterism”; but I am acutely aware that one’s trying to “eisegetically” pound the square-peg of Preterism – meaning ALL of redemptive history, until this very hour – into the round-hole of its 70A.D. “terminus ad quem,” consequentially generates the irreconcilably divergent theological & prophetic conundrums, thus prophetic “blind spots,” or spiritual myopia, with which you’re so clearly struggling. And tragically, you can’t even recognize this, since you’ve literally jettisoned “the rest of the story,” meaning the OT, from your interpretive toolbox??

          Utilizing this very peculiar exegetical method of ignoring most-or-all of the OT, is precisely why Preterism (and other false anti-semitic teachings) produce far more biblical questions and anomalies – than the very answers such methods purport to offer. The “twisting and distorting of Scripture” is certainly nothing new, as your comments to not only me, but to others with whom you’re interacting on this thread make abundantly clear. So allow me to close with an egregious anti-semitic error you’ve made in your comments – i.e., perhaps a prophetic “blind spot”? – whether this was accomplished with clear intent, or not:

          You reference the heavenly abode for ALL saints, for eternity, aka the “New Jerusalem” – and I assume you include your goyim self as one of its unimaginably blessed occupants? – wherein the triune “Lamb of God [alone] is its light” (Revelation 21:22-23). Yet you seem rather oblivious to the very Jewish, thus prophetically fulfilled description of this incomprehensible eternal structure – see Jesus’ somewhat cryptic prophetic reference to this truth in John 4:24, that “SALVATION IS OF THE JEWS” – of whose architectural design is exhaustively detailed in Rev. 21:12-21.

          So I’m emphasizing here (Rev. 21:12-14), the fact that entrance itself into this cubed-structure has strictly limited access through “twelve gates” – remember the Jewish Jesus’ metaphorical allusion to himself in John 10, as THE “door of the sheep”? – upon which one finds inscribed the Jewish “names of the twelve tribes of Israel”; and upon whose “twelve foundations,” was inscribed the “names of the twelve [Jewish] apostles of the Lamb.” (See again in this context, Romans 15:8-9.)

          Truly, “salvation is of the Jews”; whose unchanging, eternally redemptive TRUTH couldn’t possibly be made anymore clearer in both the Old & New Testament’s. (BTW: Are you at all aware, that roughly 1 out-of-every 25 verses [totaling some 318], within the almost 8,000 verses of the Greek NT, are specific references to Yeshua’s “second coming” to planet earth?) How can you possibly accept the literal/historical fulfillment of OT biblical prophecy re: Messiah’s FIRST advent to his planet – while actually ignoring, or sweeping the other hundreds of prophetic references in both Old/New Covenants concerning Messiah’s SECOND, final advent to earth, under some theologically myopic rug?

          Tragically my friend, you’re missing so much of God’s entire redemptive “picture”; whose final consummate “Day of Yahweh” re: mankind’s closing historical days/hours on this planet, could very well have been set in motion through President Trump’s formal recognition of Jerusalem, as Israel’s capital city. Of course, one can easily locate such relevant facts of prophetic significance, found throughout the OT.

          So I encourage you to honestly ask yourself this question; in light of the current wholesale anti-semitism one can readily discern from the U.N., UNESCO, all Islamic nations, secular nations, and those curious factions within “professing Christianity”: Just when, during recorded human history, could the following some 2,500 year-old prophetic passage, have possibly contained the emerging potential for literal/historical fulfillment on planet earth?

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          “The oracle of the word of the Lord concerning Israel: Thus declares the Lord, who stretched out the heavens and founded the earth and formed the spirit of man within him:“ Behold, I am about to make Jerusalem a cup of staggering to all the surrounding peoples. The siege of Jerusalem will also be against Judah. On that day I [Yahweh] will make Jerusalem a heavy stone for all the peoples. All who lift it will surely hurt themselves. And all the nations of the earth will gather against it.” (Zechariah 12:1-3/ESV).

          • stan schmunk

            Christianity is NOT biblical Judaism completed. Rather it’s the faith of Abraham completed in Abraham’s seed, who is Christ.

    • Sam Mugote

      It has been my bother too, because we don’t bless Israel by not sharing Jesus with them, at least praying for their salvation. I amused my church when I said I could be one of the few people praying for the salvation of both Jews and Arabs.
      Getting Jerusalem back is just a sign of the hastening of the Kings Return and of that great and dreadful day for which scriptures even wonder why we should so desire it’s coming!. (Of course it as well says we must lift our eyes up as our redemption is drawing near).

  • Kees Langeveld

    Good article.

  • Lonnie Didden

    I’m Christian and I support Israel. Aside from moral considerations, I do not need religious reasons (either Jewish or Christian) to do so.

    • JudgeRight

      You’re saying that the NT does not matter as long as you have the right to your opinion. How arrogant. That entitlement to self-indulgent high mindedness is the reason why the church is following all sorts of false doctrines today. Of course, depending on what do you mean by “supporting” Israel. Do they have the right to have a state? Probably so, that’s not debated here. Should Christians insist that the contemporary state of Israel is fulfillment of God’s promises to his OT ethnic people? That’s where the “support for Israel” becomes delusional as to actually denying fundamental teachings of the Bible and twisting God’s promises.

      • Ryan

        Replacement theology violates the whole of scripture. Revelation is the culmination of both the Old and New Testaments.
        “For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book;
        and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.” Revelation 22:18, 19
        You don’t believe that God blesses those who bless Israel, fine, you won’t be blessed. Blessing from God comes with faith in Him and what He has said. He has said, “I will bless those who bless you,” speaking to Israel, “and I will curse those who curse you,” again, speaking to Israel.
        If you don’t feel blessed by supporting and blessing Israel it is your own fault. You don’t believe, All, of His word.

        • JudgeRight

          No, God does not bless those who bless Israel, speaking of the natural Jew (if they can be figured out who they are today), even less so the Jews that are such by conversion to Judaism; at least not in the New Testament. Why? Because we are in the New Testament. You cannot claim that both Old Testament and New Testament are equal if you believe in the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. The New Testament is better testament. Jesus came to fulfill the law, by his redeeming death and resurrection, not to point to the law as a method of salvation; or even less so as cementing Jewish messianic nationalism.

          On the “blessing” issue.

          The way this blessing and cursing mantra is used today is based and grossly erroneous interpretation of Genesis 12:3. The interpretation of the Christian Zionists is that the blessing refers to Old Testament Israel. Ok, until the OT is in place. But it is not. The best interpretation of Gen. 12:3 is Gal. 3 where the apostle interprets exactly that passage and blessing. Let Scripture speak for itself.

          Genesis 12:3, God speaking to Abraham:
          “I will bless those who bless you, and him who dishonors you I will curse, and in you all the families of the earth shall be blessed.”

          Galatians 3, the apostle speaking to the Galatians, fallen under the judaizing heresy which insists that the law saves (not that different from Christian Zionism):
          “16 Now the promises were made to Abraham and to his offspring. It does not say, “And to offsprings,” referring to many, but referring to one, “And to your offspring,” who is Christ. 17 This is what I mean: the law, which came 430 years afterward, does not annul a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to make the promise void. 18 For if the inheritance comes by the law, it no longer comes by promise; but God gave it to Abraham by a promise.”

          I need not copy-paste the rest of the chapter, you can read it. In one sentence — the NT unequivocally states that those who are in Christ inherit the promise of Abraham. They are the offspring that will be blessed in the Abrahamic promises. Those are Christians, be they Jew or Gentile.

          Thus the proper reading of the Abahamic covenant must be in the light of the NT and the cross of Jesus. God will bless those who bless the Christians, followers of Jesus, God will curse those who curse His redeemed people, the believers in Jesus. Also confirmed in 1 Cor. 16:24. There is no separate covenant for non-believing Jews. They can freely join the one eternal covenant given to Abraham and fulfilled in Jesus Christ, the Son of God, there is no limitation for the Jew to repent and believe. That is what Paul means in Romans 9-11 that the Jews are not rejected, and are still loved by God. The “bless-OT-Israel-in-the-NT” theory is a complete misreading of the Bible and a fallacy.

          • Ryan

            You really are lost.

          • JudgeRight

            Explain why so I can be saved.

          • Ryan

            A person with an experience is never at the mercy of a person with an argument. All you have is an argument. That is all you care about. I place you RT people today with the scribes of Jesus time, He had no time for them and I have no time for you.

          • JudgeRight

            My argument is from the written Word of God. I do not claim to have an argument of my own and I think I’ve shown that. You call me a “scribe,” as if that were only negative, when you defend Judaism over the cross of Jesus and the prevalence of the Old Testament law over the New Covenant of faith? That is ironic.

          • Ryan

            When you separate the Jews from Jesus, you make the biggest mistake in scripture, Jesus was a Jew, how do you separate Him from the rest of the Jews? It was to the Jews He came first, not to the gentiles. The covenant with the Jews has never been broken, never. Gentiles are grafted in to the covenant with the Jews when they come to the knowledge of Christ and accept Him as their savior. To think of yourself as better than Jews, puts you above them. To put yourself above the Jews is to also put yourself above Christ, who is a Jew.

          • JudgeRight

            I do not separate Jews from Jesus. I simply point to the Jewish erroneous self-righteousness and political supremacy fallacy which was in the first place the reason why they crucified Jesus. Not only that they cursed themselves while killing the righteous One, and took the guilt for His blood on themselves and their children (Matt. 27:25). If it was any other nation they possibly, or almost surely, would have done the same. I have no hidden or special hatred for the Jews. However, to whom much is given much is required of. They crucified the Messiah whom they were awaiting and persecuted their own brothers in the flesh, who had accepted Him. Nothing has changed since then. I am not puting myself over the Jews either. I am only noting that they put themselves ABOVE THE ONLY TRUE SAVIOR AND THEIR MESSIAH — JESUS CHRIST THE LORD.

            I also insist that it is beyond absurd to reject the covenant of the Lord and insist that your are blessed under the covenant of the Lord. That is exactly what you and the rest of the supporters of the double covenant Judaizing theory. You explain away the very reason why

            Yes, Jesus came first to the Jew then (sent the apostles) to the Gentile. But if the Jew rejected Him the Jew is worse off than the Gentile who has repented and believed upon the Lord. Or from their own kin who are Christian. There is no other name which saves. The apostles preached that to their own kin (Acts 2) and those who were stung int he heart repented. The apostles even accused the Jews, their own kin, that they crucified their own righteous King. They did not tell them: “Oh, its OK, you killed Jesus the Messiah, but God loves you anyways, so you can keep on going as you are, you are that special.”

            Acts 2:23 this Jesus, delivered up according to the definite plan and foreknowledge of God, you crucified and killed by the hands of lawless men.

            Acts 2:36 Let all the house of Israel therefore know for certain that God has made him both Lord and Christ, this Jesus whom you crucified.”

            Acts 4:10 let it be known to all of you and to all the people of Israel that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you crucified, whom God raised from the dead—by him this man is standing before you well.

            Also — salvation is from the Jews but that salvation is to go to the nations. Jesus said it Himself many times. Like here, John 4, talking to the Samaritan woman:

            22 You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, for salvation is from the Jews. 23 But the hour is coming, and is now here, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father is seeking such people to worship him. 24 God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.”

            It is clearly a deceitful spirit that teaches that ethnicity saves you, be it of Jewish descent. If an unbelieving Jew repents and accepts Christ, they will then be entering into their true inheritance. No one is shunning them form doing that. But they just hate the name of Jesus as they did in the first century, except the elect ones whom God has called to salvation. They are the true Israel from among Israel.

          • davidrev17

            “Not only that they cursed themselves while killing the righteous One, and took the guilt for His blood on themselves and their children…” (Matt. 27:25)

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            For someone of whom only reads the New Covenant Scriptures, I was stunned to recognize another MAJOR error in your overall theological myopia, manifestly evident just above, in what seems to be your carefully concealed antisemitic exuberance.

            Naturally, I’m referring to YOUR (like Martin Luther, John Chrysostom et al.) erroneous thinking, once again, that their [the Jewish people & religious leaders’] declaration shouted out in (Matthew 27:25) wound-up creating some sort of a PERPETUAL “curse,” that was self-imposed upon the nation of Israel and its Jewish people, for having (for the most part) rejected their own Messiah.

            This activity also included the religious leaders’ complicity in arranging for the Lord Jesus’ execution at the hands of the Gentile Romans; under whose formal occupation as slaves, the judgment and imposition of “capital punishment” upon any Jewish citizen – had been relinquished or forfeited.

            Yet, seemingly unrecognized by you in all of this, was the fact that in doing exactly what they were ALL carrying-out, the inscrutably precise fulfillment of (OT) biblical prophecy, on the part of both Jew & Gentile, was mysteriously being Divinely choreographed in that “generation”; since it’s obvious that Yeshua wasn’t a hapless/helpless victim in all of this intrigue taking place by “fallen” sinful human beings – against the fully-human, yet fully-Divine “Son of God,” or “God the Son.” (e.g., Matthew 16:21; 26:52-54; Luke 24:25-27, 44-49; Galatians 4:4; or the very verse you cite above [Acts 2:23], yet miss the implications of this in its opening words.)

            But I digress here. My main point is, like I said at the outset, pointing-out another egregious error of biblical exegesis and interpretation you’re making (aka “adding to the Word of God”), by personally employing this bizarre notion that the nation of Israel & its Jewish people have been rejected, or forsaken by Yahweh for all perpetuity; when in point of fact, it was only “that GENERATION” of whom suffered for their collective SIN of rejecting the Messiah, culminating in the catastrophic events of AD 70, about which Jesus had so penetratingly prophesied in his “Olivet Discourse.” That’s been some 2,000 years now. And the Lord Jesus makes this critically relevant point crystal-clear – for all-time – in the following passage below.

            Please read this carefully, because once again – ever since 1948 (and 1967) – the Creator “God of restoration” himself, has strategically choreographed the physical return of His Jewish people in our time, out of the ashes of ancient history at that; through and by which loving and merciful process, He’ll one day be glorified in bringing about their [Jewish people’s] “spiritual” restoration, as He will “…judge the world in righteousness by a man whom He’s appointed, having given assurance to all people by raising him [Yeshua/Jesus] from the dead.” (Acts 17:30-31)

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            “When the crowds were increasing, he began to say, “THIS GENERATION IS AN EVIL GENERATION. It seeks for a sign, but no sign will be given to it except the sign of Jonah. For as Jonah became a sign to the people of Nineveh, so will the Son of Man be to this generation. THE QUEEN OF THE SOUTH WILL RISE UP AT THE JUDGMENT WITH THE MEN OF THIS GENERATION AND CONDEMN THEM, for she came from the ends of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon, and behold, something greater than Solomon is here. The men of Nineveh WILL RISE UP AT THE JUDGMENT WITH THIS GENERATION AND CONDEMN IT, for they repented at the preaching of Jonah, and behold, something greater than Jonah is here…

            “Therefore also the Wisdom of God said, ‘I will send them prophets and apostles, some of whom they will kill and persecute,’ so that the blood of all the prophets, shed from the foundation of the world, MAY BE CHARGED AGAINST THIS GENERATION, from the blood of Abel to the blood of Zechariah, who perished between the altar and the sanctuary. YES I TELL YOU, IT WILL BE REQUIRED OF THIS GENERATION. Woe to you lawyers! For you have taken away the key of knowledge. You did not enter yourselves, and you hindered those who were entering” (Luke 11:29-32, 49-52/ESV, emphasis added).

          • stan schmunk

            So you agree with Jack Van Impe when he said that God doesn’t hold a grudge anymore for what they did to Jesus or John Hagee’s teaching that we shouldn’t witness to the Jews because they have a special relationship with God?

          • davidrev17

            What I’m in wholehearted agreement with Stan, is the plain teaching in the Word of God – just like what I’ve posted right above from the mouth of the Lord Jesus! Also, If you’ll read Revelation 13:8, you’ll see where the Lord Jesus is called “the Lamb of God slain before time began.” Hope you can make the connection.

            Now, if you’re still grappling with the facts here, of which couldn’t possibly be made any clearer, then you have a very serious spiritual “blind spot,” that can only be resolved, or remedied by the “Spirit of Truth” Himself. But since you’re “fighting against God” and don’t even know it; or refuse to simply repent, and begrudgingly confess those three impossible words for we prideful fallen humans to utter, aka “I WAS WRONG” – then you may very well be dealing with an even more unenviable spiritual condition – namely the chastening of the Lord??

            And as for the tragically errant teaching of John Hagee, and others like him who traffic in what’s called “Dual Covenant Theology” – I’ve already made myself crystal-clear in another post on this thread; as in I completely reject this biblically twisted, insidious form of “easy believism” re: the Jewish people in general.

          • Ryan

            I hope you read Davidrev’s comment below. He covered it pretty well. But I somehow doubt you will read more than a couple sentences and not read it as you will have to do some rethinking. Something people in cults like you are in will not do without your handlers guidance.

          • JudgeRight

            Cults? Since when faith in Jesus Christ, the Son of God, and insisting on Scriptural and NT validity is a “cult?” You’re condemning yourself by your own words, being the follower of the fallacy of proposing that the law is greater than the Law-Giver. Wrap your mind around this.

          • stan schmunk

            He’s actually exactly right.

          • Ryan

            See my answer above.

        • stan schmunk

          That promise only is to Abraham’s seed, who is Christ. Only believers partake in that promise. You might want to read Deuteronomy 28.

  • Ryan

    The Lord has placed His name in Jerusalem, those of us who take the name of the Lord on our lives and are grafted into the vine, should also recognize Jerusalem as His capitol. Until the thousand years of His rule on earth are ended, it will be His capitol. Then there will be the new Heaven, the new Earth and the new Jerusalem. Israel is going to be the center of the earth for a thousand years, Jerusalem will be the center of worship because the Lord will be there.
    Those who refuse to recognize Jerusalem as the capitol of Israel now, will do so in the very near future.
    It is written, it will happen.

  • Dena

    Hamas is declaring a “Day of Rage” on Friday. You can’t work with people who call for terrorism when they don’t get their way. There can be no peace as long as they consider the Jewish people illegitimate. The Jewish people have the right for Jerusalem to be their capital.

    I expect God to bless President Trump and our nation for blessing Israel. No President has been bold enough to make this move.

  • Jenny Johnson

    Donald Trump didn’t just start “blessing” Israel yesterday. He (and his familly) have been blessing Israel for many, many years providing jobs, council, community support. For years I’ve wondered if Trump’s financial success (and now preaidential achievement) has been a result of years of his blessings toward the Jewish community. It is a little sad to read your expectation that God’s blessings might begin to pour out on POTUS and America now as a result of yesterday’s announcement. Yesterday’s announcement was just the capston refecting years of the love and support he has demonstrated toward the Jewish people. All the vitriol toward candidate-now-President Trump has been heartbreaking to watch, especially coming from the Christian community. But okay… a positive article for a change is refreshing.

    Sha’alu shalom Yerushalayim, Yishlayu ohavayich

    • stan schmunk

      God has never promised blessings to unrepentant Israel, only curses and judgement. Some of us need to read Deuteronomy 28 and Hebrews 11.

      • davidrev17

        Out of the almost 8,000 verses in the Greek NT, we find the rabbinical scholar Sha’ul of Tarsus, or Apostle Paul, making this single isolated reference to the “Israel of God,” in Galatians 6:16:

        “For neither circumcision counts for anything, nor uncircumcision, but a new creation. And as for all who walk by this rule, peace and mercy be upon them, and upon the Israel of God.” (Galatians 6:15-16/ESV).

        Does that mean you Preterist’s believe that the NT “Church” (or “ekklesia”), is actually Israel then, in your New Covenant theology?? If so, wouldn’t this position represent the logical equivalent of Replacement Theology – literally being turned on its head? I mean, one verse is hardly the appropriate foundation upon which to construct an entire theological system?

        And neither can the phrase “Israel of God” be found throughout the OT?? Hmmm…help me out here, will ya!

        • stan schmunk

          Who the true Israel is is explained clearly in John 8, Romans and Galatians. Those of us of faith in Christ are the true Jews and the true Israel. That’s not replacement it’s fulfillment. Hebrew puts all of us in the same class.

        • JudgeRight

          Yes and no. Israel of God in the OT are the Jews. And more so those Jews who follow God. IN the NT Israel of God are the heirs of Israel, the heirs of Abraham, or those who are of faith. There is no mechanical REPLACEMENT of the Jews by the Church as if these are two separate entities coming from two separate origins. That’s what the Zionist want us to believe. No, simply the expectation of the Jewish messiah was fulfilled in Christ (remember Simeon’s pronouncement about the birth of Jesus?). Jews were, and still are welcome to join the people of God by faith, but they (or most of them) refuse.

          No, the JEWS REPLACED THEMSELVES as the people of God by rejecting Christ. Now they want, along with Zionist Christians to convince us that we have to twist the Gospel of Christ and look backwards so they justify their unbelief. The offer of God’s forgiveness in Christ is still open to them. What is stopping them from repenting and believing? And what is pushing Zionist Christians to continue stopping the Jews from repenting and believing in the True Messiah?

  • Sam Mugote

    Probably my I understanding of wider issues is limited. My eternal question is why Christians tend to be more concerned about the welfare of the physical Jew than about their knowledge of their saviour. Jews must know Jesus very quickly even as the City of the Great King is finally brought back under their control.
    Is just loving the Israeli what causes God’s blessing or opportunity to have them be blessed eternally? Jews (naturally reject Jesus) are going to hell by the hundreds of thousands but somehow we seem blinded. I see YouTube videos of them spitting in the faces of gospel preachers and yet nobody seems that bothered. Help me.

    • davidrev17

      Great insight my brother! Yet think back to how WE Gentiles, and they, the Jewish leaders of the day – of whom should’ve know better -ultimately treated God the Son, some 2,000 years ago; while strangely fulfilling the inscrutably prophetic word of God in the process, for the eternal salvation of “whosoever will” at that?

      • stan schmunk

        Please read the next 6-8 verses in Romans 9 and the preview at the end of Romans 2. They’re exceptionally clear.

    • JudgeRight

      Praying for the Jews to repent and believe is a praiseworthy activity and ministry. It is different however, from asserting the Zionist false doctrine that the Jews have a separate covenant outside of the name and the Gospel of Jesus Christ. And that is exactly what Christian Zionism is asserting.

    • Kathy

      You are so right, Sam…the Jewish people MUST accept their Messiah. As a Christian, I attended a Messianic Jewish Synagogue (Jewish believers in Yeshua) for about a year. It was a very enlightening experience. I asked the rabbi about supporting certain Jewish organizations and he suggested I focus on the ones that concentrate on evangelizing the Jewish people and not the ones that, like you said, are just concerned with their physical welfare. We are not doing them any favors at all by ignoring their rejection of Jesus.

  • It all depends upon whether America has today’s Israelites identified correctly.

    I wonder if the following quotations (all of them from respected Jewish sources) might not have something to do with this:

    “Strictly speaking, it is incorrect to call an ancient Israelite a ‘Jew’ or to call a contemporary Jew an ‘Israelite’ or a ‘Hebrew.’” (Richard Siegel and Carl Rheins, eds., “Identity Crisis,” The Jewish Almanac, (New York, NY: Bantam Books, 1980) p. 3.)

    That sentence is the opening sentence of the First Chapter entitled “Identity Crisis” of the 1980 Jewish Almanac. That today’s Jews are not genetic Israelites but merely proselytes to Judaism, not to be confused with the Old Testaments Israelites religion based upon Yahweh’s moral law) is also admitted in “The Jewish Encyclopedia,” the “Enyclopedia Judaica,” “The Universal Jewish Encyclopedia,” “The Standard Jewish Encyclopedia,” and by many of their historians.

    According to three Jewish encyclopedias and Flavius Josephus, the entire Edomite nation was forced into converting to Judaism and became known as Judahites at the time of the high priest John Hyrcanus (Maccabaeus):

    “…in the days of John Hyrcanus (end of the second century B.C.E.) … the Edomites became a section of the Jewish people.” (“Edom,” Encyclopaedia Judaica (Jerusalem, Israel: Encyclopaedia Judaica Company, 1971) Volume 6, p. 378.)

    “They were then incorporated with the Jewish nation….” (“Edom, Idumea,” The Jewish Encyclopedia (New York & London: Funk and Wagnalls Company, 1904) Volume V, p. 41.)

    “…from then on they constituted a part of the Jewish people, Herod [King of Judea] being one of their descendants.” (Cecil Roth and Geoffrey Wigoden, “Edom (Idumea),” The New Standard Jewish Encyclopedia (Garden City, NY: Doubleday & Company, Inc., 1977) p. 589.)

    “…they submitted to the use of circumcision, and the rest of the Jewish ways of living; at which time … they were hereafter no other than Jews.” (Flavius Josephus, “The Antiquities of the Jews,” Josephus, (Grand Rapids, MI: Kregel Publications, 1960) Book XIII, Chapter IX, Verse 1, p. 279.)

    We keep hearing that if we don’t bless the modern State of Israel (which America has been doing since at least 1948) that we will be cursed. However, it seems it’s been just the opposite, Since 1948, you name it, and there’s not an area in America wherein she hasn’t become worse off. Could it because America has identified the wrong people as Israel.

    Today’s Jews are not the only ones with an identity crisis.

    For more, Google free online book “The Mystery of the Gentiles: Where Are They and Where Are They Now?”

  • Logan van Engelen

    No, god does not bless Trump nor America for this decision. Everything going on there is completely pointless, as there is no such thing as Holy Land, people made that up themselves. It really is ridiculous that people keep on going on and on about it. And then you have the people going on about Ezekiel 38, while the guy was a complete lunatic. People gonna figure this out or what? Are you? Have a nice day!!

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