Why Can’t You Be a Christian Witch?

By Michael Brown Published on October 22, 2018

If you can be a Christian rapper who frequents strip clubs or a Christian model who poses in scanty lingerie, why can’t you take this one step farther? Why can’t you be a Christian witch?

In the words of “Christian witch” Rev. Valerie Love, “My job as a minister of the living God, as an ordained minister of spiritual consciousness is freedom, to set us free. … People are in religious bondage because religion told you what to think, what to do. I’m not here to tell you what to think. I’m here to support you in how to think.”

How liberating it is to be a Christian witch!

Unbiblical Beliefs

What makes Love’s story even more bizarre is that she was born into a witch’s household — hence, “born a witch” — then was a Jehovah’s Witness from the ages of 4 to 30 before leaving the “cult.”

So, she fashions herself a Bible-believer and has recently launched the Covenant of Christian Witches Mystery School with the ultimate goal being “self-realization.”

And it appears that Love is not the only “Christian witch.” That helps explain why, last November, Jennifer LeClaire published a “Prophetic Warning: ‘Christian’ Witches Rising Using the Name of Jesus.”

Of course, this is absolutely crazy and totally unbiblical and completely heretical. This is calling light darkness and darkness light. And this is certainly a jump from being a Christian lingerie model or a strip-club frequenting Christian rapper.

The Shocking Survey

But it is a jump in the same direction. The direction of spiritual compromise. The direction of spiritual deception. The direction of anything goes in Jesus’ name.

Ironically (and somewhat prophetically), the link I’m looking at right now on the Christian Post has a list of articles on the right column of the page. One of the articles is the one from which I cited Love’s words, titled, “Christian Witch Claims Christ Followers Can Practice Witchcraft, Despite Biblical Warnings.” Immediately below that article is this one: “Most Evangelicals Believe God Accepts Worship of All Religions, Study Shows.” How striking!

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As reported by Leonardo Blair, “In the survey [which was commissioned by Ligonier Ministries] in which a representative sample of 3,000 Americans were interviewed, evangelicals were asked about their views on a series of theological statements including: ‘God accepts the worship of all religions, including Christianity, Judaism, and Islam.’”

How did they respond?

“Some 51 percent of respondents were shown to agree with the statement, while 42 percent disagreed. Two years earlier in 2016, 49 percent of evangelicals were found to agree with the statement while 43 percent said they disagreed.”

Is Christianity True?

Think about this for a moment. Roughly half of these professing evangelicals believe that God accepts the worship of a Muslim just as He accepts the worship of a Christian.

Yet, according to Islam, Jesus is not the Son of God. He did not die for our sins. He is not part of the Trinity. And He is certainly not the only way to God.

So, if Islam is true, Christianity is not.

Similarly, in Judaism, Jesus is not the divine Messiah who died for the sins of the world, rose from the dead, and ascended to the right hand of the Father. In Judaism, Jesus is for Gentiles, not for Jews, which means that, in Judaism, the New Testament is not true.

Conversely, if the claims of the gospel are true, then Jews and Muslims need Jesus, along with Hindus, Buddhists, atheists, and others. That’s why Christian missionaries go around the world sharing their faith. Everyone needs the Lord!

The point I’m making, then, is quite simple.

Compromised and Confused

We American evangelicals have been compromised and confused in our faith for years. We are morally compromised and we are doctrinally confused, and the situation is getting worse, not better.

Little wonder, then, that we have gay-affirming congregations that claim to be Bible-believing.

Little wonder, then, that we have professing Christians involved in the most sinful and worldly professions.

Little wonder, then, that a large percentage of evangelicals have thoroughly unbiblical beliefs.

And little wonder that we have “Christian witches.”

My only question is: What’s next?

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  • Dena

    I’m finding this true talking to my family, relatives and friends who claim to be Christian. They accept homosexuality and sex before marriage and cohabitation, they believe the Bible is outdated and not necessary true because it was written by men – especially the Old Testament, they believe God is a good God who wouldn’t send anyone to Hell, they believe all religions believe in the same God, they believe they can live their life the way they want too along with sinful compromise and still make it to heaven, because once saved always saved – right? Also don’t judge me. The Bible says not to judge.

    Where is all this false teaching filtering in? I have heard Pastors give an alter call, but haven’t heard a clear teaching on Salvation for a long time.

    Is it possible that many Americans who claim to be Christian are going to Hell due to compromise and a misunderstanding of the true gospel?

    • swiftboat

      Live your life in Christ. Your action are far more powerful then words.

      • Dena

        I believe we need to do both.

        I’ve been a good Christian for a long time and haven’t seen one person come to Christ that way. Even non-Christians can be good people.

        I believe our Nation is in the mess it’s in, because too many Christians have remained silent. We don’t want to offend anybody, but in doing so – our silence = approval.

        • Ld

          Stay strong, Dena! Jesus told us the Way is through a narrow gate and we WOULD be persecuted for our beliefs. We have to encourage each other. He also told us in His Word to rejoice when we are persecuted and suffer for Christ. The way we live our life is a great testimony, but if we are called on to verbally testify for our Lord, and we deny HIM, we are told in scripture HE will deny us! We MUST comfort and lift one another up. So, dear friend, realize that there are many that support you! So defend your faith with every once of your heart and ask HIM to strengthen you. Please bless and empower her, Dear Jesus, amen.

        • swiftboat

          You wrote ” I believe we need to do both.” One begets the other. The lost are attracted to our Christ like behavior . In time they will ask you why you are who you are? As to being rebuffed in public. This is what I say. ” I am a servant of the living God, Jesus Christ.” When they scorn me I simply ask this question: “Am I not entitled to my personal beliefs?” That usually opens the door for a deeper discussion into the 1st amendment and the leftest diversity paradigm . Remember the Lord said you shall be hated for my names sake.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Putting this here more for Dena’s benefit than yours. You are obviously intent on spreading your lies.

            “The lost are attracted to our Christ like behavior .”

            See my comment above that specifically states what God says about that “attraction”.

            “In time they will ask you why you are who you are?”

            Nothing in Scripture to substantiate that and lots that reject it. THAT is the Man-Centered false gospel in a nutshell.

            “As to being rebuffed in public. This is what I say. ” I am a servant of the living God, Jesus Christ.” When they scorn me I simply ask this question: “Am I not entitled to my personal beliefs?” ”

            And she doesn’t even see the contradiction in those two statements. Perhaps if she were to replace “servant” with “slave”, which is more accurate, it would help. No, a Christian is NOT, “entitled” (THAT should’ve been a dead give away) to YOUR personal beliefs. Christians, quite literally “little Christs”, are “bound” to give what God has said. Period.

            “That usually opens the door for a deeper discussion into the 1st amendment and the leftest diversity paradigm . Remember the Lord said you shall be hated for my names sake.”

            MORE evidence of the Man-Centered false gospel and the Flesh being operative. If it were God-centered and Spirit led it would lead to a Gospel presentation.

          • swiftboat

            It is obvious to any born again Christian who has read your posts that your soul has not been filled with the Holy Spirit.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            How do you feel about being an abomination to the Lord? “He who justifies the wicked and he who condemns the righteous, both of them alike are an abomination to the Lord” (Proverbs 17:15).

            There are six things that the LORD HATES, seven that are an ABOMINATION to him: haughty eyes, a LYING TONGUE, and hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that make haste to run to evil, a FALSE WITNESS who breathes out LIES and one who sows discord among brothers. (Prov. 6:16-19)

            “A false witness will not go unpunished, And he who tells lies will not escape.” (Prov. 19:5)

            “A false witness will not go unpunished, And he who tells lies will perish.” (Prov. 19:9)

            “For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, FALSE WITNESS, SLANDERS.” (Matt. 5:19)

            Now, know this, I have this accusation against you. I am a child of God and do NOT need to be saved. I am a Born Again Christian indwelt with the Holy Spirit of God who brought me from being spiritually-dead to the abundant life IN CHRIST. Your faux omniscience and phony god-complex have revealed you for what you are – a false accuser who bears false witness against a child of God. I backed up everything I said with the Word of God. You have offered NOTHING but your OPINION. WRONG as it is. So, keep that in mind when you head to church, if you go to church, this Sunday. And keep this in mind too when you bring your sacrifice of praise and worship:

            “Therefore if you are presenting your offering at the altar, and there remember that your brother has something against you, leave your offering there before the altar and go; first be reconciled to your brother, and then come and present your offering.” (Matt. 5:23-24)

            Oh, and btw, there’s one more thing you should keep in mind and should have thought of before you made that comment. See the words of Jesus in Matt. 7:2.

          • swiftboat

            After I read your rant I gazed up to God and saw Him. Smiling, He then said “be patient with this” misguided Son of mine.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            More evidence of the typical TROLL on a Christian page.

            “knowing this first of all, that scoffers will come in the last days with scoffing, following their own sinful desires.” (2Pe 3:3)

            “They pour forth words, they speak arrogantly; All who do wickedness vaunt themselves.” (Psa 94:4)

            The sweet satisfaction comes from knowing there is a Judgment Day coming and Eternity is a VERY LONG time.

      • Royce E. Van Blaricome

        It’s just that kind of worldly cultural Christianity cliches that are the reason why we have “Christian witches”.

        IF that were true we would NOT have a Bible today. From Genesis to Revelation we see God saying, “Write this down…” and in the synoptic gospels we see Jesus say, “Go and preach”.

        NOWHERE in Scripture do we see even the remotest hint that actions are more powerful that words. In FACT, the very Gospel itself MUST be TOLD and that is EVIDENCE that YOU are WRONG.

        Now that this has been brought to your attention to continue to say that is to lie. To continue to lie is called practicing lawlessness and doing iniquity. Ya might wanna see what Jesus has to SAY about that!!

        • Kathy

          You are right, but I think what swiftboat may be saying is that we must not just talk, but be sure to walk the walk at the same time.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            I’d like to think so & give the benefit of the doubt but, sadly, I’ve seen WAY too much of this stuff from SO many not to take them for their own words.

            How many times have you seen “Preach the Gospel – and use words if necessary” or “Christianity is caught not taught”. Those things might sound cute, quaint, and innocent enough but they’re not. They’re lies from the Pit of Hell used by Satan and The World to deceive, steal, kill, and destroy.

            They are in essence calling God’s Word a Liar, ergo God a Liar, and it is sin. The wages of sin is death.

          • Kathy

            Agree again. Was just thinking of the many hypocrites who talk up a storm, but their actions betray their true identity…they are no different than the rest of the “world”.

        • swiftboat

          What a bazaar comment. I did not exclude the authority of scripture. Any one who walks with Christ knows it is the beginning and end of all things. Nevertheless to the world our actions are what they see. Kindness , mercy compassion etc. It is our behavior which draws them to inquire about our faith.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            “I did not exclude the authority of scripture. ” That’s a lie. Actually you did. Go back and read your own words again.

            Nice try at walking your falsehood back. I understand. it’s easier to dig in and double down and attack the messenger of truth than to confess and repent. Unfortunately for you it led to what it always does. A further revealing of your heart (Matt. 15:18) and of your Biblical ignorance, pathetic Soteriology, and grossly flawed Theology. Here’s proof. YOU say:

            “It is our behavior which draws them to inquire about our faith.”

            God says:

            “No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day.” (Jn 6:44)

            “no one understands; no one seeks for God. All have turned aside; together they have become worthless; no one does good, not even one.” “Their throat is an open grave; they use their tongues to deceive.” “The venom of asps is under their lips.” “Their mouth is full of curses and bitterness.” “Their feet are swift to shed blood; in their paths are ruin and misery, and the way of peace they have not known.” “There is no fear of God before their eyes.” (Rom 3:11-18)

            God says the Unbeliever is spiritually-dead (Eph. 2:1-3), does not seek Him (Rom. 3:10-12), that no one comes to Christ unless The Father draws them (Jn. 6:44), that the Cross is an offense (Gal. 5:11) and foolishness to those who are perishing (1st Cor. 1:18), and that Christians are like the stench from death to death to them (2Cor. 2:16).

            Moreover, God says the Christian must die to himself, pick up his cross, and be a slave that follows a new Master. God says the Christian WILL suffer, have trials and tribulations, and be hated.
            Now why would anyone think Christianity is supposed to be “enticing”.

            Christianity is not “enticing” but it is Salvific. And all the above pales in comparison to the torment they will endure for ALL Eternity in the Lake of Fire.

            Now, given you thought my first reproof was bazaar I imagine you will find that rebuke out of this world.

            And you’d be right.

            And here is the absolute, complete, and perfect example of why your Soteriology and Theology is totally messed up : Jesus. IF what you say is true then EVERYONE would have been falling at Jesus’ feet to surrender to Him as Lord. Instead they shouted as a crowd, “CRUCIFY HIM!! CRUCIFY HIM!! And let his blood be on us and our children.”

            So, your comments beg the question, “Why do you believe you are a Christian?” How did you become a Christian? What does it take to become a Christian? Ask Jesus into your heart? What must occur for one to become a Christian?

          • swiftboat

            I see you as a man who would burn at the stake anyone who did not parrot your doctrine.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Get your eyes checked. I looked at you profile. I saw the comments you’ve made on other threads. The jig is up. You’re a Poser trolling Christian pages.

            In Internet slang, a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory,[1] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[2] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion,[3] often for their own amusement.

            From Psychology Today: “Internet Trolls Are Narcissists, Psychopaths, and Sadists. An Internet troll is someone who comes into a discussion and posts comments designed to upset or disrupt the conversation. Often, in fact, it seems like there is no real purpose behind their comments except to upset everyone else involved. Trolls will lie, exaggerate, and offend to get a response.”

          • swiftboat

            You exhibit none of the attributes of Christ. By the way are you a Catholic?

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            You exhibit all the attributes of an abomination to God according to God’s Word. And no, I am not a Catholic. I’m a Christian.

            One only has to look at the posts Swifty has made and what has come outta his mouth for context on his characterization of the attributes of Christ! LOL

          • swiftboat

            What are the attributes of a Christian?

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Why do you ask? Would you like to surrender your life as a slave to the Lord Jesus Christ and beg Him to save you so He will be your new Master so that Self, Sin, and Satan no longer are? I’ll be happy to lead you to Him if so. Then you’ll actually be able to understand what the attributes of a Christian are. But surrender is one and it starts there.

          • swiftboat

            Why do I ask? Because I want to show your behavior. I have a scripture in mind . Perhaps you can post it for me anyone else who may be following our thread.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            “Because I want to show your behavior.”

            Figures. How typical of the sons of disobedience and children of wrath who bring false accusations and bear false witness against the children of God. You’d be wise to be more concerned with being an abomination to God and your Eternity.

            I’m pretty sure I know what Scripture you have in mind. It’s one commonly used by The Enemy as a flaming arrow to sling at a Believer. Here are a couple that you may not have considered:

            But put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh, to gratify its desires. (Rom 13:14)

            For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. (Gal 3:27)

          • swiftboat

            You are what happens with a know it all meets a wise man

          • So you are not a Christian at all then.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Another Catholic proves they’e an abomination. I will give ya this though, at least you hold true to real Catholic teaching and doctrine.

            How do you feel about being an abomination to the Lord? “He who justifies the wicked and he who condemns the righteous, both of them alike are an abomination to the Lord” (Proverbs 17:15).

            There are six things that the LORD HATES, seven that are an ABOMINATION to him: haughty eyes, a LYING TONGUE, and hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that make haste to run to evil, a FALSE WITNESS who breathes out LIES and one who sows discord among brothers. (Prov. 6:16-19)

            “A false witness will not go unpunished, And he who tells lies will not escape.” (Prov. 19:5)

            “A false witness will not go unpunished, And he who tells lies will perish.” (Prov. 19:9)

            “For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, FALSE WITNESS, SLANDERS.” (Matt. 5:19)

          • Is this some kind of projection spree?

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Nope. But this was: “So you are not a Christian at all then.”

            What I posted in Scripture. So I guess it’s not surprising you wouldn’t recognize it for what it is. Wrt to my personal comments, I would remind you that it was the RCC in numerous edicts of the 1563 Council of Trent that pronounced Protestants anathema.

            You and the RCC would do well to meditate on that & Matt. 7:2 fo a good long while. As well as Gal. 1:8-9 though I have little doubt the RCC believe their false gospel is the Gospel.

      • Ken Abbott

        Nevertheless, it is by preaching that the kingdom of God is advanced (Romans 10:8-15). Living as Christ is necessary but not sufficient to our witness. The Christian life, when it comes to words and deeds, is both/and, not either/or.

        • swiftboat

          Does this verse mean anything to you?

          Matthew 5:16 King James Version (KJV)

          16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father which is in heaven.

          • Ken Abbott

            Of course it does, just as do all the parallel passages that exhort us unto good works and Christlikeness. As I said before, it is both/and–word and deed should cohere. None of that should negate the biblical truth that the power of the gospel is predominantly in the preached word.

          • swiftboat

            one begets the other

          • Ken Abbott

            To be sure. Orthopraxy follows orthodoxy as well. By their fruits we shall know them–out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.

          • swiftboat

            I made my point . and you made yours go in peace.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still. As you can plainly see. THREE people have told this guy what Scripture says.

            A rebuke goes deeper into a man of understanding than a hundred blows into a fool. (Pro 17:10)

            Take a look at his comments on here and then click on his profile and look at other comments he’s made on other threads. An obvious Poser trolling Christian pages.

          • Kathy

            Just a suggestion, Royce…it would be very helpful for us all if you begin focusing on calling out the one truly disturbing, obnoxious person commenting on this website, NIGELTEAPOT.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            LOL. Ironically I did just that earlier today in a post above where I asked him if his comment was referring to the RCC. And, as I saw your comment come in to my email, I saw his come in right after. Heading over to him now.

            I tell ya, if it’s not trolls on here that we have to deal with it’s heretics. Smh.

    • Ld

      I stand with you, my sister! “My only question is: What’s next?” This is:

      Matthew 7:20-28 New King James Version (NKJV)

      20 Therefore by their fruits you will know them.
      21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’
      24 “Therefore whoever hears these sayings of Mine, and does them, I will liken him to a wise man who built his house on the rock: 25 and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it did not fall, for it was founded on the rock.
      26 “But everyone who hears these sayings of Mine, and does not do them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand: 27 and the rain descended, the floods came, and the winds blew and beat on that house; and it fell. And great was its fall.”

    • Kathy

      It IS very troubling that professing Christians actually believe these deceptions…they are setting a very poor example of what it means to be a true, obedient Christ follower. Considering their attitude, I have serious doubts as to whether they are actually saved to begin with. (You mentioned once saved, always saved)

      You are right on target, Dena. All that you can do is share the truth, pray for them and display the love of Christ as you are doing. It’s not up to you to change them, only God can open their eyes, so try not to put too much pressure on yourself.

    • Royce E. Van Blaricome

      That was thoroughly and beautifully states. I can truly sympathize. I have family in the same boat.

      All you can do is to continue to speak the truth in love. One thing I would caution you about, however, is this: I’d encourage you to NOT give in to the temptation of giving them ANY false assurance. Given all you’ve said they are most likely NOT a Christian. Especially those who have said that Jesus is not the ONLY way. NO Christian should have any reservations about telling anyone they aren’t a Christian when they deny Christ is the ONLY way.

      I’d be looking for every opportunity to ask them “Why do you think you’re a Christian or saved?” And “How is that consistent with being a Christian?” And “Have you considered that in the light of Eternity?” Stress Eternity every chance you can because most folks live in the here and now. Coupled with “God says (fill in the blank with God’s Word PROPERLY used)”. Given the right statement by them, I’d even be so bold as to say “You can NOT be a Christian and hold to that belief because it stands in opposition to Christ. One can not be following Christ when standing in opposition to Him.”

      Your family sounds VERY much like mine. They’ve bought into the Seeker-Sensitive/ Easy-Believism/”Just Ask Jesus Into Your Heart” false gospel. That’s why I like to ask questions such as “Why do you believe you’re a Christian? Can you tell me a little about your testimony? How did you become a Christian? What must happen for one to become a Christian?” And then there’s this one: Have you surrendered your life as a slave to the Lord Jesus Christ as your new Master so that Self, Sin, & Satan no longer are?”

      Do that and one of two things will likely happen. When the Holy Spirit comes to them as Christ said He would they will either be convicted and broken over their sin or they will harden their heart against Him and you. For more on that see Matt. 10 and don’t be afraid of that happening if it does. You are only the Messenger of a Message. You only have to given account for who well you obeyed God or not. You don’t have the power to bring conviction nor to save anyone.

      I pray it goes well for you and, again, those were wonderful words you spoke.

      • Dena

        I haven’t thought of asking them questions. I need to write these down. I have trouble thinking on my feet when I’m nervous. I love my family and been praying for them to get saved since I’ve been a little kid. Now I realize I’m running out of time. Some are dying and after 40 years of prayer – not one has been saved yet. No one is telling them about Jesus. I realize I need to tell them and that the Great Commission isn’t for just ministers — but all Christians— including me. I’m not good at this, but I’m going to try.

        • Royce E. Van Blaricome

          I understand and from reading your comments I’d say you’re doing far better than many if not most. And I understand the nervousness. Oh that I would have the boldness of Jesus or even the Apostles and so many that have gone before us.

          I will simply share four things that have helped me. 1) Remember who Jesus is and who my sole allegiance is to. 2) Remember Eternity. Eternity is what really matters. It is a VERY LONG time. 3) Ezekiel 33’s “Watchman On The Wall”? I don’t want to spend Eternity with any blood guilty on my hands. And 4) I’m just a Messenger whose duty is just to deliver a Message. ALL the power that brings one from spiritual-death to the Abundant Life in Jesus resides with the Holy Spirit.

          I hear you and I do feel your pain. (I hate that phrase. Always hear Bill Clinton whenever I say it or hear it.) I made a vow to God back when my Dad died that I would never again let an opportunity go by where did not give the Gospel to my family. That is taboo with my family. “It’s personal” is their mantra. So now I’m the “religious fanatic” in the family.

          But ya know what? I don’t care! Because my King has given me a command and I will obey it. I won’t put anyone before Him. But there is a side benefit for me. Peace. My youngest brother died 2yrs ago on April 1st. No joke. Unexpected sudden heart aneurysm. I was upset when I got the news. Angry. Because I now have another family member that I, in all probability, will not see. He was an “I believe in God” type that mocked Christianity, Christians, the Bible, and God. My Mom holds to him being baptized as a child. I don’t. But I have peace because I KNOW he heard the Gospel and heard the Truth. I know because I am the one that brought it to him and I know that God did what He could to so he will stand without excuse. Had I not gave him the Gospel I may have always wondered “what if”. If I failed in any area it is obviously in an area where you are stronger and that is prayer.

          So all that is said just to encourage you and hopefully help you. But most of all I wanna say your “but I’m going to try” is the best!! That speaks volumes. If only more would just take that one step!

          Bravo Zulu to you Sister!

          • Dena

            Thank you for your testimony. I’ve been praying for my relatives and friends to be saved for a long time, but been mostly silent in sharing the gospel myself. I woke up finally realizing- no one is telling them. I need to not just pray, but tell them myself.

            I also realized I’m running out of time. Some of my relatives are sick and dying, but like you said – you never know when someone is going to die by surprise. I would feel awful if I never said anything to them.

    • Jim Walker

      “because once saved always saved”
      “your past, present and FUTURE sins are forgiven”.
      Such are the dangerous ghostpel messages some false preachers are spewing.
      For the 1st sentence, it only applies to those who constantly seek and walk with Jesus, not get a Queue ticket and walk away thinking you’re saved.
      For the 2nd sentence, it only applies when you ask forgiveness and repent, not continue to sin. Someone even told me, when he sin, God will understand and Jesus’s blood will cleanse him and make him righteous before God. This is because he said the sinner’s prayer when he accepted Christ and was told all his future sins are forgiven.
      And God don’t like reminders, don’t repeat your prayers, so pray once and believe it and not remind Him again.

    • James Black

      Dena you need to read Matthew 7:14 again. That’s where Jesus said that few would go to Heaven. Don’t dare listen to these liberal social Christians, they will misguide and lure you in to their group. Jesus said that God had not changed and He has not. Follow the commands and help the poor and downtrodden. Study the Bible and seek John 14:16 whereby Jesus said the “Holy Spirit” would be your teacher. Believe Jesus, not the crowd.

      • Dena

        Thank you

    • Fiona Tunstall

      Indeed, I really worry for my Baptist (UK) church, which is currently in interregnum, awaiting new pastor. In the meantime, I’m seeing a lot of New Age/ social community gospel going on – in my own Small Group folk have tried to introduce guided ‘meditation’ which purports to be Biblical but calls on people to tune into themselves! I haven’t heard hell mentioned in forever, alter calls are few but when they occur, it is a ‘come to Jesus’ type of call, no mention of sin or repentance and I feel like a lone voice. I lead the small group as it’s for ladies, and have had to be really firm that we can’t accept praying to Mary (as one lady said it was ‘all the same principle’) and that for meditation they need to actually concentrate on a passage of scripture, not their breathing or how their back fits against the chair! It is so insidious and it’s like nobody in leadership is prepared to take a stand.

      • Dena

        Wow, deception is creeping into the church at all angles. I think people are prone to deception, because they don’t know the Bible.

    • dtang

      Dena, as James said, not all Christians will go to heaven. Christians need to be mindful of John 15 and Matt 25. Remain in Me and I WILL remain in you. Christians often forget that it was the disobedient lives we lived before accepting Christ that separated us from God. In accepting Christ as our Saviour, we are now righteous with God by Grace. But some Christians forget that we also have to accept Christ as Lord and live a life of obedience to God going forward. It is this change of heart through Christ to obedience to God and to following His Will that we are right with God. And we have to continue to remain in Christ and follow His Will. If we choose not to remain in Him as the vine, the Father will remove such branch and cast it into the fire. That does not mean we have to live a perfect life without disobedience. We will stumble and fall but we will repent and turn back to Him cause our heart desires and is committed to being obedient to Him.

      As an example, Jesus welcomes and loves all LGBT to follow Him with open arms and we should welcome them all into our midst. So just like any of us sinners, any LGBT is saved by Grace by accepting Christ as their Saviour. Question is whether such person lives a life of obedience to Him going forward. If God views LGBT lifestyle as a sin and such person chooses to continue to live such lifestyle, I would say it is disobedience to God. Living a life of disobedience to God is not remaining in Him. One who accepts Christ as Saviour but not Lord is not a true believer.

      • Dena

        Thank you. That’s a very good point. Jesus did talk about us needing to remain in him. That will be a good scripture to bring up when talking with my family. Thank you.

  • angelromann

    “Little wonder, then, that we have professing Christians involved in the most sinful and worldly professions.”

    What are these “wordly” professions you are talking about?

    Thanks

    • Paul

      Yes, that deserves explaining, I’d like to hear where Michael draws that line.

    • Ken Abbott

      In the context of the article, exotic dancing or other jobs within facilities that promote/display exotic dancing, and modeling immodest clothing. I imagine Dr. Brown would also include promotion of pyramid schemes, prostitution, pornography, etc. And I would hope that religious fraud (the prosperity gospel peddlers) is in that list as well.

    • Dena

      Anything where you are compromising with sin. If you are asking “How far you can go?” You probably went too far already.

  • Royce E. Van Blaricome

    I don’t know what happened because my entire post isn’t showing so am reposting this. Good article. As most of Dr. Brown’s are. However, while it’s fine to expose many of the problems, why end it with just that question? Why not offer a solution?

    I submit that one problem not addressed is that Christians, from high-profile preachers down to laymen have allow the culture and The World to define Christianity. “Evangelical” too, for that matter. Does anyone even know what the Evangel is anymore?

    When churches resort to looking more like the World in order to fill auditoriums with “audiences” the size of Sunday afternoon football stadiums, when self-professing Christians and church leadership are more concerned with a “can’t we all get along” atmosphere, when practicing sin is welcomed in the doors of churches and Christian homes, when accountability to one another has been replaced with “that’s personal” and que sera sera, when feel-good messages that are pep talks for the coming week replace Holy Spirit convicting, gut-wrenching confessions, holy sanctifying repentance, when these and more are the face of Christianity today then there should be NO surprise that we have “Christian witches” and any of the other nonsense like Dr. Brown describes.

    • Royce E. Van Blaricome

      So what’s the answer/solution? Well, for one it is MORE confrontation not less. It is MORE division not less. From the top all the way down to the bottom there MUST be a willingness to stand up and say, “No, sorry that you don’t want to hear this but you can NOT be a Christian and (fill in the blank) because God has said so. Not me but God.”

      It’s LONG PAST time for the Ambassadors of Christ to STOP saying, “well, it’s not my place to judge” or “only God knows” (when He has already plainly said), or “well, ya just gotta love ’em and let God do the rest.”

      And part of that MUST include rock solid, orthodox, theological and doctrinal teaching! Which means one MUST have a Biblically sound soteriology and theology. If it is a Man-centered theology you will have Christian witches and more. Tell me this, why wouldn’t Andy Stanley welcome a “Christian witch” into his fellowship? After all, it’s in the OT that witchcraft is condemned and rebellion named as akin to witchcraft.

      When you have preachers like Andy Stanley and Joel Osteen pushing their “my way” and “this is better” way that actually rejects HUGE portions of Scripture, even going so far as to say that it gets in the way of the Gospel(!!), all the way down to the plethora of overnight theologians on Facebook, down even further to the laymen who have NO FEAR OF GOD whatsoever as evidenced by spouting off about God says this and God says that when He did NOT, Christianity then becomes a “to each their own” and there is NO accountability to ensure that the various members of The Body are working together. Instead the various members of the Body are each doing their own thing and slowly killing The Body’s ability to function as a whole as it should.

      Scripture is clear. When there is a cancer in The Body it should be cut out and cast away. NO leaven in the loaf. The absolute BEST thing Christians from the top down could do for these lost deceived false teachers/prophets/heretics/apostates is to cut the off and openly, loudly, and publicly declare “You are NOT a Christian because God says (fill in the blank and back it up properly with God’s Word).”

  • Trilemma

    God will accept the worship of any person no matter what religion that person is associated with. That’s because God cares so much more about how you treat other people than what you believe about God. Jesus gave two commands. Love God and love others. A person can do both of those regardless of their religion. Jesus did not found a religion. People turned his teachings into religion and Roman emperors founded the religion of Christianity. God isn’t just the god of Christians. God is the god of everyone. If people had to get a bunch of theology and beliefs right before God would accept their worship then God would not be able to accept worship from anyone.

    • Jim Walker

      This is utterly nonsense and downright telling us all roads lead to God.
      The bible specifically tells us not to worship idols made of iron or stone or wood.
      There must be no other God other than YHWH.

      • Trilemma

        Of course all roads lead to God. God is inescapable.

        What about people who are Catholic who bow down in front of a crucifix made of wood? Is that idol worship?

        YHWH appears to be an Old Testament concept of God and not a very good one at that.

        • Jim Walker

          Haven’t you heard ? Jesus is the WAY, the TRUTH and the LIFE.
          There is only 1 way, 1 road, to God and that’s through Jesus.
          I don’t agree to bowing to any symbols or idols.
          If you want to understand the Bible, you got to have faith. Reading it with our intellect will fail us.

        • No, it is an Icon of God Himself at His happiest. If you don’t understand that, then you are lost.

          It seems your new schtick is the marcionist heresy. A gnostic-inspired heresy that claimed Christ was opposed to God, because God holds monsters like you accountable.

          • Trilemma

            If you bow down in front of an icon it’s the same thing as an idol.

          • An Icon is an image of God or some Saint. It bribe people outside themselves and shocks them into being rightly ordered by showing them the beauty opposed to their ugliness.

            This is why you hate that, as there is no “revolution” with people looking outside themselves. If you were to see someone worshipping an actual idol or altar with a satanic ritual on it or a statue of a demon, you would champion that and call that “brave.”

            In fact, you would say those devil worshippers would God to Heaven by the virtue of their “broadmindedness” of worshipping demons and death.

            This is something low level satanists do. They honestly think they will take over Heaven and use it for themselves. It is guaranteed you think the same as you are already planning for it, going by your messages.

            How do you plan to make that work? Do you know who God is and what you are? That is the capital sin of pride to not know that, and it is clear you have it as all of your messages seem totally based inside it.

          • Trilemma

            You said, “An Icon is an image of God.” The Bible says you shall not make an image of God and bow down to it.

          • The prot “bibles” maybe. totalitarian governments like that of prot Germany cannot have people looking outside of themselves, and Icons force you to look outside of yourself.

          • Trilemma

            Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; – Exodus 20:4-5

            It says do not make an image of anything in heaven. Since God is in heaven, that means don’t make an image of God. And it clearly says do not bow down to an image.

          • The Old Testament was edited by protestants too.

            Icons serve the purpose of forcing oneself out of themselves so they make order themselves toward God. The heresy you began in was a German proto-communist totalitarian system, and that requires people to be turned inward to control them.

            you never really left your baptist roots, you grew past them. Or should I say that you degraded further into the more advanced forms of devilry made possible by the prot heresy,

            protestantism is the progenitor to freemasonry and liberalism and marxism, as well as modernism and post-modernism. This is what you are. you dropped the pretense of false Christianity (heresy) and now worship the devil direct.

          • Trilemma

            How did people who were protestants change the original Hebrew text that Catholic Bibles are translated from?

          • They changed any words they could to push their agenda. Remove references to the Church, pretend God’s own Church is against God, and then add in the islam-inspired “solas” to push a man-centered eschaton based on “personal interpretation.”

            They had to take the last books of the Old Testament out because they dealt exclusively with the coming of the Church, and there was no way to scub them of substantive content.

          • Trilemma

            Why does the Catholic Church use Bibles edited by people who are protestant?

          • So your argument is that because you are trying to use a prot “bible” against me, that Catholics use prot “bibles” also?

            No, the Church wrote the Bible and uses real ones.

          • Trilemma

            Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the LORD thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me; – Exodus 20:4-5 – Douay-Rheims Version of the Catholic Bible

            The Catholic Bible says do not make an image of anything in heaven. Since God is in heaven, that means don’t make an image of God. And it clearly says do not bow down to such an image.

          • you tried this already. Ironically quoting from a book written by the Church. The Church founded by God and worships Christ who is God.

            you reject Scripture, you reject the Church that wrote scripture, you reject God, and you deny the Divinity of Christ. So what grounds do you make this argument outside of just satanic subversion? The amount of people who claim simultaneous membership to “baptist” congregations and satanic covens is very high, and you are one.

            As I said last time, Icons show people what is outside of them and what matters. It is art meant to convey beauty and people worship God and not any statue as a statue. your dark master’s plan cannot work without people first turned inwards and surrounded by despairing ugliness. This is why you want to destroy anything that makes people look outside themselves and makes them know beauty.

          • Kathy

            We still have a Catholic Bible, the “Saint Joseph’s Edition of the New American Bible (NAB). Exodus 20:4-5 “You shall not carve idols for yourselves in the shape of anything in the sky above or on the earth below or in the waters beneath the earth. For I the Lord your God am a jealous God, inflicting punishment for their father’s wickedness on the children of those who hate me, down to the third and fourth generation” Pretty clear to me.

          • Kathy

            Exodus 20:4-6, Deuteronomy 5:8-10 and Leviticus 26:1 You are correct, it’s the 2nd commandment.

    • There is no salvation outside of the Church, and God founded the Church.

      The point is that people are damned from their fallen nature and need to be dredged out before it is too late. your self-appointed purpose is to serve your dark master by trying to subvert that.

      If people are not rightly ordered, they are disordered. disorder leads directly to damnation and you know it, which is why your subversiveness seeks to push disorder.

      Here is Venerable Fulton Sheen about you:

      The giggling giddiness of novelty, the sentimental restlessness of a mind unhinged, and the unnatural fear of a good dose of hard thinking, all conjoin to produce a group of sophomoric latitudinarians who think there is no difference between God as Cause and God as a ʺmental projectionʺ; who equate Christ and Buddha, St. Paul and John Dewey, and then enlarge their broad‐mindedness into a sweeping synthesis that says not only that one Christian sect is just as good as another, but even that one world‐religion is just as good as another. The great god ʺProgressʺ is then enthroned on the altars of fashion, and as the hectic worshipers are asked, ʺProgress towards what?ʺ The tolerant answer comes back, ʺMore progress.ʺ All the while sane men are wondering how there can be progress without direction and how there can be direction without a fixed point. And because they speak of a ʺfixed point,ʺ they are said to be behind the times, when really they are beyond the times mentally and spiritually.

      • Trilemma

        Won’t you be surprised by all the people who made it into heaven who were not in the Catholic Church.

        • No, there is no one in Heaven outside of the Church, it is the base requirement for Beatific Vision. All those outside of the Church are either damned or they go to some indeterminate place called limbo.

          I am assuming this is about your desperate attempt to get into Heaven by wishful thinking. you could just cease doing all the satanic things you do here daily for a start, then repent,

          • James Black

            Nigel, what meaning of church are you referring to here? There is no one in heaven outside of the church. Please explain what that means.

          • Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus

            The One True Faith, the One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            I assume from your use of “limbo” that you are referring to the RCC as the “Church”. The “Catholic” church is NOT the “catholic Church” that is Christ’s Bride and of which ALL true Believers belong to. The RCC is an antichrist.

            One becomes part of the true catholic Church, which is the Bride of Christ, when they are Born Again. And we who are His betrothed Bride look forward to the day when we shall be wedded to Him.,

          • So do you always try this mental gymnastics to the point of absurdity.

            So how do you explain the Catholic Church being mentioned by the Church Fathers who were all Priests or Bishops of the Church. How do you also explain the unbroken line of succession to the Apostles, who were themselves the first Bishops of the Church who were consecrated at Pentecost?

            I imagine you do not think about this too much. I imagine you have to not think about it to claim that you personally have the standing of the Church.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            So do you always try this mental gymnastics to the point of absurdity?

            “So how do you explain the Catholic Church being mentioned by the Church Fathers who were all Priests or Bishops of the Church.”

            I don’t because that’s a lie and provably false. NOT only from Church History but from Scripture itself. Now, I’ve had my full share of trying to talk to the RCC folks who have swallowed the “only true Church” kool-aid and I’m NOT wasting my time o casting any pearls in that direction again. If you wanna cling to your idol then so be it. Do when standing before Jesus.

            If, OTOH, you wish to follow Christ, then a simple Google search an lead you to the Truth. You can start by looking at Scripture and the Council of Jerusalem. You can go to Gal. 2:7-8 (which is as crystal clear as can be that Peter was NOT the 1st Pope). You can then go on reading the NT to see who’s writings are MOST prolific in Scripture, and you can read all the way to Revelation where you may see who Jesus actually met with last AND who He spoke to in Rev. 2 & 3.

            After Scripture you’ll find many other early church writings that show the RCC did NOT start with Peter, is NOT the Church Christ founded, and is an antichrist. In fact, if you read Ignatius’ “Letter to Smyrnaeans” who will find the FIRST use of the word “catholic” (NOT “Catholic”) and the context of the letter leaves NO doubt it is NOT talking about the RCC!!

            “How do you also explain the unbroken line of succession to the Apostles, who were themselves the first Bishops of the Church who were consecrated at Pentecost?”

            I don’t because that’s false. Just a repeated lie by the RCC. What does John 8:44, Rev. 21:8 & 22:15 say about those who practice lying? Again, BOTH Scripture and Early Church History & Writings prove your claim to be false. The RCC has attempted to appropriate Church History but, fortunately, the documents we have prove otherwise. Only the uninformed, ignorant, and those in stiff-necked rebellion think otherwise.

            “I imagine you do not think about this too much. I imagine you have to not think about it to claim that you personally have the standing of the Church.”

            And THAT says all that needs to be said. Good thing you phrased it the way you did or you too could join swiftboat as an abomination to God. Instead you just need to get rid of your stinkin’ thinkin’ and align your imagination more along with the Spirit than your Flesh. Which, btw, on those lines, YOU are in NO place to talk to anyone else about arrogance or pride.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Another posted detected as spam so being resubmitted.

            So do you always try this mental gymnastics to the point of absurdity?

            “So how do you explain the Catholic Church being mentioned by the Church Fathers who were all Priests or Bishops of the Church.”

            I don’t because that’s a lie and provably false. NOT only from Church History but from Scripture itself. Now, I’ve had my full share of trying to talk to the RCC folks who have swallowed the “only true Church” kool-aid and I’m NOT wasting my time or casting any pearls in that direction again. If you wanna cling to your idol then so be it. Do it when standing before Jesus.

            If, OTOH, you wish to follow Christ, then a simple Google search can lead you to the Truth. You can start by looking at Scripture and the Council of Jerusalem. You can go to Gal. 2:7-8 (which is as crystal clear as can be that Peter was NOT the 1st Pope). You can then go on reading the NT to see who’s writings are MOST prolific in Scripture, and you can read all the way to Revelation where you may see who Jesus actually met with last AND who He spoke to in Rev. 2 & 3.

            After Scripture you’ll find many other early church writings that show the RCC did NOT start with Peter, is NOT the Church Christ founded, and is an antichrist. In fact, if you read Ignatius’ “Letter to Smyrnaeans” you will find the FIRST use of the word “catholic” (NOT “Catholic”) and the context of the letter leaves NO doubt it is NOT talking about the RCC!!

            “How do you also explain the unbroken line of succession to the Apostles, who were themselves the first Bishops of the Church who were consecrated at Pentecost?”

            I don’t because that’s false. Just a repeated lie by the RCC. What does John 8:44, Rev. 21:8 & 22:15 say about those who practice lying? Again, BOTH Scripture and Early Church History & Writings prove your claim to be false. The RCC has attempted to appropriate Church History but, fortunately, the documents we have prove otherwise. Only the uninformed, ignorant, and those in stiff-necked rebellion think otherwise.

            “I imagine you do not think about this too much. I imagine you have to not think about it to claim that you personally have the standing of the Church.”

            And THAT says all that needs to be said. Good thing you phrased it the way you did or you too could join swiftboat as an abomination to God. Instead you just need to get rid of your stinkin’ thinkin’ and align your imagination more along with the Spirit than your Flesh. Which, btw, on those lines, YOU are in NO place to talk to anyone else about arrogance or pride.

          • James Black

            Royce you would be correct on that one for sure. As long as he is not referring to the RCC.

    • Kathy

      That is known as wishful thinking. John 14:6 “I am the Way, and the Truth and the Life; NO ONE comes to the Father except through Me”. Can’t get much clearer than that.

      • Trilemma

        John 12:32, “And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself.” If Jesus draws all people to himself then all will come to the Father through Jesus.

        • Royce E. Van Blaricome

          Twist not Scripture lest you be like your daddy, Satan, who quoted Scripture to Jesus for his own purposes too. The part in quotes is God’s Word. The rest is you OPINION and false.

          When the spiritually dead try to read the Book of Life it’s like a blind man trying to read a road map before hopping in the car to drive. You have to get a heart transplant before you can have eyes to see.

          Whoever is of God hears the words of God. The reason why you do not hear them is that you are not of God.” (John 8:47)

          “The unbeliever does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him. And he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.” (1st Cor. 2:14)

          “There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures.” (2nd Peter 3:16)

          Would you like to surrender your life as a slave to the Lord Jesus Christ as your new Master so that Self, Sin, and Satan no longer are? I’ll be happy to lead you to Him if so. Then you’ll actually be able to understand what the Bible does teach.

          • Trilemma

            So, Jesus is not going to draw all people to himself?

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Depends on what you mean by “draw”.

            “No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day.” (Jn 6:44)

            You didn’t address the Scriptures I cited nor my question. I’ll take that as a no and that you choose to remain in your sins and denial.

            “And this is the condemnation: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil. For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed.” (Jn 3:19-20)

            Universalism is a lie from the Pit of Hell. And for anyone else who may be reading this, if you think for a nanosecond that the Beast (Antichrist), his False Prophet, those that blaspheme the Holy Spirit (Mk. 3:28-29, and those that God send the strong delusion upon so that they can NOT believe (2nd Thes. 2:11-12) are someday gonna be saved/reconciled then you are calling God a Liar.

          • Trilemma

            What I mean by “draw” is drag or pull.

            I was a Christian for twenty years and believed everything the Baptist Faith and Message said. Then God opened my eyes and showed me the lie of hell and that the Bible teaches universal reconciliation. The doctrine of hell is one of those destructive heresies that Peter warned about in 2Peter 2:1.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            “I was a Christian for twenty years and believed everything the Baptist Faith and Message said.”

            So let me get this straight. You surrendered your life as a slave to the Lord Jesus Christ and faithfully served Him, walking according to His ways to bring Him glory, daily died to yourself and sought to do your Heavenly Father’s (supposedly) will, held to the promise of Eternal Life, for 20yrs and then decided to give all that up to go back to being a slave to Self & Sin, serve your daddy, Satan’s, will and do his bidding so you could pay for your own sins with eternal torment in the Lake Of Fire. Right?

            Really? THAT is what you expect us to believe and simultaneously not think you are a moron?

            What you have just demonstrated is what happens when one has a head knowledge/”belief” and never got the necessary heart transplant needed to become a New Creation in Christ. It was Satan who “opened your eyes” and gave you what your Flesh desired. Now you make your life about trolling Christian pages to do his bidding and preach his lies.

            You’re not the first and you won’t be the last. There are MANY and many of those who fight the hardest are the ones who claim they “believed everything”. Even worse are those that are or have been indoctrinated into those beliefs. (i.e. Catholics, JWs, Mormons, Dones, SDAs, Atheists, Universalists, etc.)

            And you will ALL wind up in the same place WITHOUT any excuse.

          • Trilemma

            1) Wrong.

            2) I have no expectations as to what people think.

            3) Now you’re claiming to be omniscient.

            4) Hopefully I will not be the last to question one’s beliefs. Doubt is the beginning of wisdom.

            5) Yes, we will all wind up in the same place. It’s called heaven.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            1) In what way am I wrong? Did you or did you do do those things? If not, then you never were a Christian. Just a Poser going thru the motions with nothing more than a belief in a set of intellectual facts and assertions.

            2) Then why claim you “were” a Christian for 20yrs?

            3) Actually, no. I am judging you according to what you said.

            4) Doubt is a lack of Faith. Questioning and Critical Thinking are different.

            5) No, you and the rest of the “we” (Unbelievers) will wind up in the same place but it is NOT Heaven.

            6) To say otherwise is to call Jesus a Liar.

            7) You better hope I’m right because if you are then you’re doomed.

            “For it is impossible, in the case of those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, and have shared in the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the age to come, and then have fallen away, to restore them again to repentance, since they are crucifying once again the Son of God to their own harm and holding him up to contempt.” (Heb 6:4-6)

          • Trilemma

            You surrendered your life as a slave to the Lord Jesus Christ and faithfully served Him, walking according to His ways to bring Him glory, daily died to yourself and sought to do your Heavenly Father’s (supposedly) will, held to the promise of Eternal Life, for 20yrs

            Yes,

            and then decided to give all that up to go back to being a slave to Self & Sin, serve your daddy, Satan’s, will and do his bidding so you could pay for your own sins with eternal torment in the Lake Of Fire. Right?

            No.

          • So you mean you never considered the consequences of your evil?

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            No to which part? Are you saying you still considered yourself to be a slave to the Lord Jesus Christ? Or yes to that part but don’t believe you’ll suffer eternal torment in the Lake Of Fire as Jesus has said you will?

          • Trilemma

            I am not a slave to Jesus. Jesus called people to freedom not slavery. Neither am I a slave to self, sin, or Satan.

            Jesus never said anyone would suffer eternal torment in the Lake of Fire.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Thank you for the public confession. You have agreed well with God. Now the smart and wise thing for you to do would be to repent and beg God to save you so that you can be.

            You ae a slave to Self, Sin, and Satan. God says so.

            Jesus did say LOTS will suffer eternal torment in the Lake of Fie. Not surprising you’d call Jesus a Liar.

            “You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies.” (John 8:44)

          • Trilemma

            I am not a slave to self, sin or Satan and God doesn’t say I am. You’re trying to be omniscient again.

            The doctrine of hell was imposed on the Bible through mistranslation. In the Greek. Jesus doesn’t say lots of people will suffer eternal torment in the Lake of Fire.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Yes, you are. Swimming in the river Denial doesn’t change that Reality. Yes, God says you are. Eph. 2:1-3. And no, I’m not. Simply stating what God says.

            No, the doctrine of Hell is taught by the accurate exegesis of Scripture. Yes, Jesus does say lots of people will suffer eternal torment in the Lake of Fire. In any language the Bible is translated into.

          • Again, your actions speak otherwise. you deny God, His Church, and Christ. so you basically deny everything about Christianity, so why are you here?

          • your actions speak otherwise.

          • No, doubting things means nothing. Questioning things only has a benefit if you find an answer.

            you actively refuse the answer because your satanism cannot handle it.

          • Christ did that by creating the Church. People refuse because they are willingly enthralled or enslaved by demons.

        • Kathy

          Can’t add much to Royce’s reply, but brings to mind the thieves on the crosses beside Jesus. One said “Jesus, remember me when you come into your Kingdom”, which was a plea and a confession of faith. He was told “Truly I say to you, today you will be with me in paradise”. Luke 23:42-43

          The rebellious thief was told no such thing…there is no reference to Jesus consoling him with “Don’t worry, you will be with me sometime in the future after you have been sufficiently punished for not acknowledging who I am before you die” This may seem far-fetched, but it sums up what I’ve learned you believe from your past posts on here.

        • Yes, the only way to get to Heaven is through Christ and His Church. This is something you outright reject as you reject both Christ and His Church.

          • Trilemma

            Please quote a Bible verse that says the only way to get to Heaven is through Christ AND His Church and not just Christ alone.

          • you deny that Christ is God, making you an arian. you then deny the OT making you a marcionist.

            What argument do you have for Christ being anything if He is not God. All of Christs actions and words rest on Him being God, so by denying that, you have no argument.

            The Church is the Body of Christ and the Bride of Christ. The only reason Christ came was to pay the debt of Adam and found the Church which is the perfection of Isreal.

            The Church also wrote the Bible (the real one), so your fixation on Scripture is absurd if you not only reject what Scripture says but also who wrote it.

    • Ken Abbott

      “God will accept the worship of any person no matter what religion that person is associated with.”

      If that is the case, why did Jesus have to die?

      • Trilemma

        What does Jesus’s death have to do with whether or not God accepts a person’s worship?

        • Christ is God and is not dead.

          Christ being God is something you deny because you want to “be like gods” as your dark master lied to you.

          That you say Christ is dead, I assume is because of the capital sin of pride and you wanting to replace Him.

          There is only one way to rightly order someone to God. worshipping demons or demons posing as your own ego is not worship of God.

          • Trilemma

            Please quote a Bible verse that says Jesus is God or that Jesus claimed to be God.

          • Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father. John 6:46

            Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
            Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. John 8:57,58

            My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
            And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father’s hand. I and my Father are one. John 10:27-30

            Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
            And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God. Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed. John 20:27-29 Notice how Jesus didn’t rebuke Thomas for calling him My Lord and my God.

            Jews knew what he was claiming, often gathering stones to stone him and calling him blasphemous.

            I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty. Revelation 1:8

            I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death. Revelation 1:18

            To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. Revelation 3:21

            I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star. Revelation 22:16

            In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

            As for God accepting worship to any other…

            Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. John 14:16

            And,

            That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

            John 3:15-18

          • Trilemma

            John 6:46 doesn’t say Jesus is God. It says he is of God and has seen the Father.

            In John 8:57,58, Jesus didn’t say, “I am God.” He simply said, I am,” expressing either preeminence or preexistence to Abraham.

            In John 10:27-30, Jesus didn’t say he and his Father are one and the same, just that they are one. My spouse and I are one but we are not two persons in one human.

            John 20:27-29 Doesn’t record Jesus rebuking Thomas but Jesus could have. Thomas saying

            Jesus is his god doesn’t mean Jesus is the ultimate god. Who does the Bible refer to as the god of Jesus?

            Jews gathered stones to stone Jesus because he claimed to be greater than Abraham.

            Revelation 1:8 doesn’t say Jesus is God.

            Revelation 1:18 doesn’t say Jesus is God.

            Revelation 3:21doesn’t say Jesus is God. It says he’s seated with the Father.

            The typical translation of John 1:1 is not correct. It is intentionally mistranslated by those who want to make the Bible appear to teach trinitarianism. A better translation is the NEB which says, “When all things began, the Word already was. The word dwelt with God, and what God was, the Word was.” So, the word was the same as God but was not God. The word was divine or God-like but not God.

            I didn’t say God accepts worship to any other. I’m saying that anyone who worships God worships the same God. John 14:16 is not talking about worship.

            John 3:15-18 says Jesus is the begotten son of God. That means there had to be a time when Jesus didn’t exist so that God could then beget him. A son cannot be the same age as his father.

          • This is from Venerable Sheen’s “The Life of Christ”:

            “When one takes into account also His reiterated assertions about His Divinity – such as asking us to love Him above parents, to believe in Him even in the face of persecution, to be ready to sacrifice our bodies in order to save our souls in union with Him – to call Him just a good man ignores the facts. No man is good unless he is humble; and humility is a recognition of truth concerning oneself. A man who thinks he is greater than he actually is is not humble, but a vain and boastful fool. How can any man claim prerogatives over conscience, and over history, and over society and the world and still claim he is ‘meek and humble of heart’? But if He is God as well as man, His language falls into place and everything that He says is intelligible. But if He is not what He claimed to be, then some of His most precious sayings are nothing but bombastic outburts of self-adulation that breathe rather the spirit of lucifer than the spirit of a good man. What avails Him to proclaim the law of self-renouncement, if He Himself renounces truth to call Himself God? Even His sacrifice on the Cross becomes a suspect and dated thing, when it goes hand in hand with delusions of grandeur and infernal conceit. He could not be called even a sincere teacher, for no sincere teacher would allow anyone to construe his claims to share the rank and the name of the Great God in heaven.”

            That you have tried to replace God as He is with the “god” you feel you can compete athwart does not make God Himself go away.

            Christ was there since the beginning, as Christ is the Word Made Flesh as is spoken about in the first sentence of the Bible. This was discussed heavily in the arian heresy, as that is what you are displaying here. Look up Hillarie Bellocs chapter on arianism in his book “The Great Heresies.”

          • Every time Christ spoke. That you want to ignore it because you want to usurp God, does not mean it is there.

        • Ken Abbott

          The death of Jesus occurred by the set purpose and foreknowledge of God. The Son of God came to earth specifically to lay down his life as a ransom for many. If God accepts the worship of any person regardless of his belief in Jesus, then Jesus’ death was immaterial and irrelevant.

          • Trilemma

            The Bible says Jesus gave his life as a ransom for all. It doesn’t say he gave his life as a ransom for worship. My understanding is that Jesus died to save people from death and not to make worship acceptable.

    • Baronsamedi1925

      He also gave a pretty narrow path for salvation . And he didn’t accept Cains sacrifice .

      • Trilemma

        Perhaps it’s a narrow path for salvation but the Bible teaches that all will eventually be reconciled.

        • Royce E. Van Blaricome

          Another lie. No, the Bible teaches NO such thing.

          When the spiritually dead try to read the Book of Life it’s like a blind man trying to read a road map before hopping in the car to drive. You have to get a heart transplant before you can have eyes to see.

          Whoever is of God hears the words of God. The reason why you do not hear them is that you are not of God.” (John 8:47)

          “The unbeliever does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him. And he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.” (1st Cor. 2:14)

          “There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures.” (2nd Peter 3:16)

          Would you like to surrender your life as a slave to the Lord Jesus Christ as your new Master so that Self, Sin, and Satan no longer are? I’ll be happy to lead you to Him if so. Then you’ll actually be able to understand what the Bible does teach.

          • Trilemma

            For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him, and through him to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross. – Colossians 1:19-20 NIV

            If God is going to reconcile all things in Earth to himself through Jesus that means all people will be reconciled.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Twist not Scripture lest you be like Satan who quoted Scripture to Jesus for his own purposes too. From the mouth of Jesus Himself:

            And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”
            (Mat 25:46)

            “But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and sexually immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.” (Rev. 21:8)

            “Outside are the dogs and sorcerers and the sexually immoral and murderers and idolaters, and everyone who loves and practices falsehood.” (Rev. 22:15)

          • Trilemma

            Colossians 1:19-20 simply says God was pleased to reconcile to himself all people through Jesus. I didn’t twist it whatsoever. People who believe in hell are the ones who have to twist this verse.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Wrong. Would you like to surrender your life as a slave to the Lord Jesus Christ as your new Master so that Self, Sin, and Satan no longer are? I’ll be happy to lead you to Him if so. Then you’ll actually be able to understand what the Bible does teach.

          • Trilemma

            If it doesn’t say what it clearly says, then what does it say?

            Been there, done that, got the T-shirts.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            When the spiritually dead try to read the Book of Life it’s like a blind man trying to read a road map before hopping in the car to drive. You have to get a heart transplant before you can have eyes to see.

            Whoever is of God hears the words of God. The reason why you do not hear them is that you are not of God.” (John 8:47)

            “The unbeliever does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him. And he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.” (1st Cor. 2:14)

            “There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures.” (2nd Peter 3:16

          • Trilemma

            Colossians 1:19-20 simply says God was pleased to reconcile to himself all people through Jesus. Are you saying there are some things in the Bible like this verse that are hard for you to understand? (2nd Peter 3:16)

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            A wise man once said it is better to keep your mouth shut and not show your ignorance than open it and remove all doubt. You should work on your wisdom a bit.

            “Wise men speak because they have something to say, fools speak because they have to say something” – Plato

            “knowing this first of all, that scoffers will come in the last days with scoffing, following their own sinful desires.” (2Pe 3:3)

            Do you see a man wise in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him. (Prov. 26:12)

            Like a dog that returns to its vomit is a fool who repeats his folly. (Prov. 26:11)

          • Trilemma

            You keep giving long replies but still haven’t said what you think Colossians 1:19-20 says.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Your inability to comprehend in NO way reflects on what I’ve said. Thanks for proving God’s Word true.

            Whoever is of God hears the words of God. The reason why you do not hear them is that you are not of God.” (John 8:47)

            “The unbeliever does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him. And he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.” (1st Cor. 2:14)

            Do you see a man wise in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him. (Prov. 26:12)

            Like a dog that returns to its vomit is a fool who repeats his folly. (Prov. 26:11)

          • Trilemma

            Again you didn’t explain what you think Colossians 1:19-20 say.

            Have ever taken the time to thoughtfully consider the possibility that all the verses you quote at me actually apply to you?

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Again, your inability to comprehend in NO way reflects on what I’ve said. Thanks for proving God’s Word true.

            Even a fool who keeps silent is considered wise; when he closes his lips, he is deemed intelligent. (Pro 17:28)

            A fool does not delight in understanding, But only in revealing his own mind. (Prov. 18:2)

            To you last question, yes, I have.

            “Examine yourselves, to see whether you are in the faith. Test yourselves. Or do you not realize this about yourselves, that Jesus Christ is in you?—unless indeed you fail to meet the test!” (2Cor 13:5)

            Unlike yourself, I hold to the Gospel and am not anathema for preaching a different gospel.

          • This is the mortal sin of despair. your belief in self-divinity will not allow you to admit wrongdoing, so you think projecting your wrongdoing by “gnosis” will absolve you.

            How does that work? It doesn’t.

          • What you quote does not support what you are satanically reading into it.

          • Trilemma

            What do you think it says?

          • Did I not discuss this with you for weeks? By discuss, I mean I correct your satanic evil as you try to finds ways to bargain for excuses for why you aren’t damned.

            As I said then, even one of the messages you leave here would damn you and with special punishment. Yet you do it day in and day out. Want to not be damned? Repent and seek Penance.

          • Trilemma

            You haven’t explained to me what you think Colossians 1:19-20 says.

          • Read the next sentence.

            21 And you, who once were estranged and hostile in mind, doing evil deeds,
            22 he has now reconciled in his body of flesh by his death, in order to present you holy and blameless and irreproachable before him,
            23 provided that you continue in the faith, stable and steadfast, not shifting from the hope of the gospel which you heard, which has been preached to every creature under heaven, and of which I, Paul, became a minister.

            you have yet to give up any evil, you are not a Faithful Catholic, nor are you a Catholic at all. Trying to claim for yourself things God only gives to Faithful Catholics is devilry, pure and simple.

          • Trilemma

            Colossians 1:19-20 says all people will eventually be reconciled to God. In the subsequent verses, Paul says people who are Christian have already been reconciled.

          • No, St Paul says that only Catholics will be reconciled. Again, you are bargaining with your own fate.

          • Athena771

            do you believe in univeral reconciliation? many who believe use that verse, i would like to believe in Universal Reconciliation, i certainly hope that it is true. This verse does support that God will reconcile all things to himself, to me the verse is plain as day.

          • Athena771

            If you do believe in Universal Reconciliation, i also do, or at the very least hope it is true.

            Many people ignore this verse because it does not fit the mainstream belief that most of humanity will be lost, and only a few saved.

            I would not mind talking to you more about this.

          • Do you remember my message to you about what mortal sin is and what it does?

            you didn’t reply to it, so that means you thought our could make it go away by ignoring it.

          • Trilemma

            Please quote a Bible verse that talks about what mortal sins are.

          • mortal sins are sins that kill your soul outright.

            Catechism gives 1 John 16-17, though it is self-evident from reality as to the severity of sins and how it affects people.

            I know you cannot see it, and as CS Lewis said, truly evil people cannot understand or detect evil.

            Finally, you reject God, the content of Scripture, and the Church. Why then would you at all care about scripture?

          • Trilemma

            1 John 16-17 is only referring to the so called unforgivable sin of blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. It’s not talking about the thousands of mortal sins you claim exist.

          • All mortal sins refer to breaking of the 10 commandments. There are countless ways to do that, but the Church need only provide the thousand examples to get the point across to non-reprobates.

            To a reprobate trying to bargain away his own damnation by refusing to look or listen, nothing will convince you.

          • Kathy

            There are none. The Bible clearly teaches that the payment for sin is not found in or based upon the actions of the sinner.

            1 Peter 3:18: “For Christ also died for sins once for all…” Christ died for ALL sins, all of which are actually mortal. Just one sin separates us from a holy God.

          • God has already done that through the Sacraments.

            What about anything you quoted there, even taking into account the heretical “translation,” advocates that people will not be held accountable for their evil?

            Do you know what a mortal sin is? It means a sin so bad that it kills your soul, or just degrades it so much there is little left. If someone is in a state of mortal sin, there is nothing left of them to “reconcile” or save.

            No one deserves to god to Heaven, but God will make excretions for those in His Church that follow the Sacraments and the Magesterium while rightly ordering themselves. THAT is what that means, not that you in all your rottenness will be allowed infect others.

        • No it does not. The vast majority are damned as that is the default state. you have spent your whole life it seems pushing to damn people through your subversion.

          you will answer for every one of those people before you even get to answer for your multiple blasphemies you vomit out by the minute.

          • Trilemma

            For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell; And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven. – Colossians 1:19-20

            If God is going to reconcile all things in Earth to himself through Jesus that means all people will be reconciled.

          • Yes, you will be. That is why the Particular Judgement and Final Judgement exist.

            The first is you being weighed and diagnosed.

            The second is where all will be made to know everything so pride will never be possible again.

            you seem to think this means all will be forgotten, and Heaven will turn into the misery that this earth is because all sinfulness will be allowed there. No, damnation exists to permanently remove all evil things and all evil creatures. In order to truly be free of suffering and pain, all of the evil people must be permanently removed from existence.

            That means that those like you will have to be forcibly removed to save everyone else from you, as those like you are the reason Christ needed to come here and defeat you with the Cross. Because you are so evil, you cannot possibly understand the pain your subversive mess and satanism causes humanity; in fact you probably enjoy it as you confuse this for “power.”

            If you do not like being counted with the devil as a co-conspirator, then stop being a co-conspirator to the devil.

    • Royce E. Van Blaricome

      “God will accept the worship of any person no matter what religion that person is associated with.”

      Very true! He accepts the worship of His children that come to worship Him in spirit and truth as a sweet fragrance and He accepts the “worship” of all those who come any other way the same as He accepts the worship of those who go after other gods – as an abomination.

      “That’s because God cares so much more about how you treat other people than what you believe about God.”

      Rather than go into all the reasons why that is false I’m going to show you your own words that show even you say that’s not true.

      “Jesus gave two commands. Love God and love others.”

      THERE is a PERFECT example of how Satan and his followers work. First, it’s just a lie. Lies come from Satan. It’s a lie for many reasons. First, Jesus gave MANY more than two commands. So there is an attempt to deceive from the start. Get folks to ignore all Jesus other commands. Including the Great Commission. Or John 7:24 which is SO often ignored.

      Second, Jesus didn’t just give “two commands” in the sense that Trilemma refers to. He gave the “Two Greatest Commands” and they are NOT EQUAL. Jesus said the Greatest Command is to love God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength. THAT goes straight to the 1st & 2nd of the Ten Commandments. You shall have NO other god before God and you shall NOT make any image of God. Jesus does NOT make them equal and He then goes on to say, “On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.” (Mat 22:40)

      “A person can do both of those regardless of their religion.”

      Your OPINION is duly noted and summarily dismissed based on the Word of God.

      “Jesus did not found a religion.”

      False. Jesus is God and God established and instituted religion. And He did so perfectly with infinitesimal, minute, and meticulous detail. Jesus followed that religion perfectly and then perfected it with His own sacraments and teachings. What do you think Jesus was doing all those times He went to the Temple and the night He was betrayed at the “Last Supper”? And indeed His very life and sacrifice fulfilled God’s religious requirements.

      “People turned his teachings into religion and Roman emperors founded the religion of Christianity.”

      False. As I just proved above.

      God isn’t just the god of Christians. God is the god of everyone.”

      Correct. He is The One and ONLY sovereign God. Just as He is and will be the Judge of all.

      “If people had to get a bunch of theology and beliefs right before God would accept their worship then God would not be able to accept worship from anyone.”

      Correct. And God nor Christians say any such thing. But we DO say that you MUST worship God and not your god(s) AND you MUST worship Him on His terms. NOT yours.

    • JoJo

      @Trilemma:disqus Be gone you who teaches false doctrines! I rebuke you in the name of Jesus Christ! May no true believing Christian believe in your false teachings. “But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them—bringing swift destruction on themselves. ” (2 Peter 2: 1).

      God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob is the ONLY GOD of all people. God accepts worship only from people who BELIEVE IN THE LORD JESUS CHRIST as their Savior, and are truly BORN AGAIN with His indwelling Spirit. Your self-righteous deeds to love are only filthy rags in the sight of God. God only accepts the worship of good works that is done by FAITH IN GOD.

      WHAT GOD SAYS IN THE BIBLE: “All of us have become like one who is unclean, and all our righteous acts are like filthy rags; we all shrivel up like a leaf, and like the wind our sins sweep us away” (Isaiah 64:6) “For we maintain that a person is justified by faith apart from the works of the law.” (Romans 3:28) And without faith it is impossible to please him, for whoever would draw near to God must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who seek him.” (Hebrew 11:6) “Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.” (John 3:5-6). “But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him. God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.” (John 4:23-24)

      • Trilemma

        For we hold that one is justified by faith apart from works of the law. – Romans 3:28 ESV

        You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone. – James 2:24 ESV

        So, which is it, by faith or by works?

        • Kathy

          ESV Study Bible on James 2:24: “James again seems at first to contradict Paul’s teaching that one is justified by faith alone, but the two are compatible. For James, “faith alone” means a bogus kind of faith, more intellectual agreement without a genuine personal trust in Christ that bears fruit in one’s life. On “justified”, James, in agreement with Paul, argues that TRUE faith is never alone, that it always produces works.”

          • Trilemma

            Are works required in order to be justified?

          • Kathy

            Ephesians 2:8-9: “For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing, it is a gift of God, not a result of works so that no one may boast.” Luther was correct.

            When God’s grace opens one’s eyes to the realization that Christ’s suffering and sacrifice was completely sufficient for our salvation, repentance, faith and trust are the results. Our love and gratitude in response to our receiving that free gift is what prompts our obedience and willingness to do good works. That is what James means by TRUE faith..it doesn’t feel like an obligation, it’s done with a thankful heart.

            Just what, how much and how often must we perform these works if they are a requirement for salvation? No one can know. All other religions and cults are works based, but true biblical Christianity is in a class my itself.

          • Yes, as they flow naturally from Holiness.

        • First one says “justified by Faith apart from works”

          Second one says “justified by works and not just Faith”

          They say the same thing, try extending that bolding to the entire sentence instead of a fragment you can “freeze, polarize, politicize”

          • Trilemma

            Are works required in order to be justified?

          • There are Sprititual and Corporal Works of Mercy. Yes, they are required.

            Let’s take the top 3 Spirital ones: Admonish the sinner, Council the doubtful, Instruct the ignorant.

            I get to do that every time I see your horrifying messages here.

          • Trilemma

            Why does Paul say you’re justified by faith only and works are not required?

          • No. The quote you gave does not even say that.

            The heretical idiocy of “faith alone” was -by luther’s own words- invented because he thought it sounded pretty.

          • MrNathan791 .

            Not the question. If you have accepted God’s free gift of salvation through His Son, then your work will reflect it. And it’s not always something big all the time. it can be walking in His light and your works showing his love.

          • Trilemma

            So, works are required to reflect having accepted God’s free gift of salvation. No works means no salvation.

        • MrNathan791 .

          You don’t understand what that scriptures saying. If you a have accepted Jesus Christ has your Lord and Savior then you works will reflect this. Therefore you are justified by faith, but your works speaks volumes of Jesus Christ directing your life.

    • MrNathan791 .

      Just like that so called christian witch, satan has blinded you too. Jesus is the only way. Someone who claims to be a christian and practice witchcraft is lost and don’t have the holy spirit. The Holy Spirit is a true christian’s guide. Remember Jesus stated that He must ascend but that he would send the comforter (Holy Spirit). The holy Spirit will not dwell in a strange house.

      • Trilemma

        Why should I believe the Holy Spirit is a guide only for Christians? Doesn’t the Holy Spirit have the power to guide anyone, even even people who claim to be witches?

        • Yes, as that is what that means. The Holy Spirit will incite a conversion if someone is worthy.

          you like the “witches” sneer and revile that call, which leads you to so much shame as to attack Christians here all the time.

        • Kathy

          Nigel is SO WRONG! None of us are “worthy”… “No one is righteous, no not one”. That is why we all must go to the cross and trust that Jesus’ sacrifice and His blood was COMPLETELY sufficient to cover our sins.

          If we had to be worthy, it would be all about us and our “works”. God could have just required that we do this, that and the other rather than go to the trouble of sending His beloved Son to suffer so terribly and die in our place, the people that actually deserved that wrath poured out on them instead.

  • Natalia

    Jesus said no one comes to the Father except through me. Therefore we pray in Jesus name. If we do not believe in Jesus, the Father does not accept their prayer or worship. It is also written that You have magnified your word above your name (Psalm 138:3). This means that if you’ll be crying out to God, He will not hear you just because you use His name. His Word must be adhered to first, which again states no one comes to the Father except through me. If a person does not believe the Word which states that Jesus is the way the truth & the life and the only way to gain salvation, that He came in the flesh & is the only begotten son of God, then God does not hear their prayer neither does He accept their praise. No one comes to the Father except through me said Jesus.

  • Bob

    Since there have been numerous books and articles out for the past ten years promoting “Christian Witchcraft,” Jennifer LeClaire’s “prophetic warning” in November 2017 was hardly prophetic.

  • MrNathan791 .

    Because America is so blessed it seems that many feel that they’re self motivated and use praying to Jesus has a last result or like a genie in a bottle. So with so many churches in this country liberalism has entered. And this has been in these liberal churches since the 1st century. When you have a false teacher who’s teaching a false damnable doctrine the word of God speaks of people having itching ears and will believe what feels good to their sinful flesh. Remember God’s word spoke of these last days being dark and deceptive. Please don’t think that God is surprised because he’s not.

  • FromWhereIAm

    Signs of the last days…keep getting larger and larger! Jesus and His apostles warned us of the times to come and like all of the Bible prophets and writers, they were spot-on truth-tellers. God has been so very patient.

  • Luc Malafarina

    @Trilemma
    Tell me, can God force someone to be reconciled if one doesn’t want to?

    Also, I believe that God is not a torturer, so the teaching that God will torture forever people who reject him isn’t found in Scripture, IMHO. I don’t think you re evil either, you re just profoundly wrong, in my judgment. The doctrine of Hell taught in many churches is misleading, it makes God a torturer; man tortures, not God. Reveleation says ”if anyone was not found written in the Book of Life, he was thrown in the lake of fire”(not talking about you here). What happens next isn’t clear, because the lake of fire was made for Satan and his angel followers; but it’s safe to say that being thrown into the lake of fire is not good. Scripture also says that there will be ”weeping and gnashing of teeth”, that isn’t a good thing either…

    • Royce E. Van Blaricome

      Wrt Trilemma, I suggest exercising Matt. 7;6. For more as to why you can see he and my exchanges elsewhere on this article. I would like to, however, address some of the suppositions you put forth and ask you to prayerfully consider them in light of the Scriptures I provide.

      “I believe that God is not a torturer, so the teaching that God will torture forever people who reject him isn’t found in Scripture,”

      That is correct. But you have made the mistake that the godless often do by mistaking “torment” for “torture”. The godless often do it on purpose. I don’t sense that is the case with you.

      “I don’t think you’re evil either (too many christians call those who they think are in error ‘evil’), you’re just profoundly mistaken, in my judgment.”

      That is what’s called “stinkin’ thinkin'” and your judgment in flawed. Trilemma is “evil”. God says so. Numerous times. IF you have a teachable spirit you can do a search and study on the various Scriptures regarding the doctrine of Total Depravity, what Mankind is, etc., a word search on “evil”, and/or a simple Google search. Suffice it for here to ask yourself what would you call someone who is a son of disobedience and child of wrath? See Eph. 2:1-3.

      “The doctrine of Hell taught in many churches is misleading, it makes God a torturer; man tortures, not God.”

      How so? Be specific. Don’t paint with a broad brush and exercise a faux-omniscience with some sweeping generalization that you can’t back up. Name these “many” specific churches and their teaches that makes God a torturer. Or stand guilty of being a false accuser & false witness against the Bride & Body of Christ.

      “Revelation says ”if anyone was not found written in the Book of Life, he was thrown in the lake of fire”(not talking about you here). What happens next isn’t clear,”

      False. Twist not Scripture lest you be like Satan who quoted Scripture to Jesus for his own purposes too. Here is what Scipture does say that make it VERY clear:

      “And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.” (Mat 25:46)

      “and in Hades, being in torment, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham far off and Lazarus at his side.” (Lk 16:23)

      “for I have five brothers—so that he may warn them, lest they also come into this place of torment..” (Lk 16:28)

      “This is evidence of the righteous judgment of God, that you may be considered worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you are also suffering— since indeed God considers it just to repay with affliction those who afflict you, and to grant relief to you who are afflicted as well as to us, when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with his mighty angels in flaming fire, inflicting vengeance on those who do not know God and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus.” (2Th 1:5-8)

      “And another angel, a third, followed them, saying with a loud voice, “If anyone worships the beast and its image and receives a mark on his forehead or on his hand, he also will drink the wine of God’s wrath, poured full strength into the cup of his anger, and he will be tormented with fire and sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment goes up forever and ever, and they have no rest, day or night, these worshipers of the beast and its image, and whoever receives the mark of its name.” (Rev 14:9-11)

      Just prior to your quoting Rev. 20:15 we find these two verses:

      “and the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur where the beast and the false prophet were, and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.” (Rev 20:10)

      AND

      “Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire.” (Rev 20:14)

      Using the basic Hermeneutical 101 Principle of letting Scripture interpret Scripture one can clearly see right there that the Lake Of Fire is the Second Death which is being “tormented day and night forever and ever.”

      “But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and sexually immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.” (Rev. 21:8)

      I could go into the OT and show more but that should be sufficient.. Don’t miss the “present tense” used in those. It is a continuing perpetual reality.

      “One last thing, the Bible doesn’t teach that God loves the world or the sinner, but that God LOVED (past tence) the world. I believe that teaching that God loves (in the present tence) people creates profound confusion.”

      A VERY astute observation on you part. One that MANY miss.

      “But when we say that God LOVED the world, we can point to a time and place where that love was poured out for humanity and how it was done (through God’ son on the cross). I say this because the ”God loves everyone” message, which is not biblical, is very misleading, and is part of the false doctrine of Universal salvation..”

      Another VERY astute observation.

  • Cynthia Hampton

    It’s interesting that she was a Jehovah’s Witness for 26 years. I wonder if she was a baptized JW who really followed the religion or was just on the fringes? As a former JW myself, I have know for a fact that many women who leave the cult do end up in New Age practices, Wiccanism, and other forms for Witchcraft and spiritualism. I see some of this as a knee jerk reaction to the way women are treated in the JW organization. JW women are pretty much 2nd class citizens and have very little rights or control. They are told to be subservient to men. Many are not attracted to Christianity because they are told that all churches are corrupt and all clergy are hypocrites. So many ex JWs either get into this kind of spiritualism, or they become atheists. They won’t read the Bible because they think they know everything in the Bible. A few ex JWs have told me that even though they have rejected the JW religion, that if any religion is closest to true Christianity, it would be the Watchtower organization.

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