When Jewish Blood is Shed

Rachel Kranson, left, holds her daughter, Sasha Kranson, 12, during a vigil after an active shooter fatally shot multiple people at Tree of Life Congregation synagogue on Saturday, Oct. 27, 2018, in their neighborhood of Squirrel Hill in Pittsburgh.

By Michael Brown Published on October 28, 2018

Premeditated, cold-blooded murder is always unspeakably evil. But it is even more evil when the innocent, unsuspecting victims are children in a school or worshipers in their congregational building. How can we even describe monstrous evil like this?

In recent years, we have witnessed horrific school shootings and barabaric church shootings. Now, we have witnessed Jewish blood being shed in a synagogue. And it was not just during a normal Sabbath service. It was during a bris, a special time of celebration when a Jewish baby boy is circumcised on the 8th day.

Families have come together for this special occasion, sometimes spanning three or even four generations. A new Jewish life is welcomed into the world. And at the end of the ceremony, a prayer called shehecheyanu is recited: “Blessed are You, Lord our God, King of the Universe, who has granted us life, sustained us and enabled us to reach this occasion.”

In the midst of this a mass murder took place.

Sadly, different groups will seek to politicize the slaughter. But at times like this, we do well to hold our peace. Already this week, an allegedly unstable Trump-lover was arrested for his role in the attempted pipe bombings. Now, an alleged Nazi Trump-hater was arrested as the synagogue shooter.

So, I appeal to all people of conscience: Let’s focus on the victims rather than on political debate. Let’s hold our tongues out of respect for the dead.

Let’s remember today that Jews were murdered in a synagogue in America, with the murderer shouting, “All Jews must die!”

The Jewish Psyche

How does this impact the Jewish psyche? How insecure does this make Jewish people feel across the nation?

There are many who feel that Jews are paranoid. They wonder, “Why are you still bringing up the Holocaust? How is that you can have so much power and influence and still feel like you’re persecuted?”

It’s because Jews realize that antisemitism is never far away. (Witness the recent abhorrent comments of Louis Farrakhan.) Jew-hatred is alive and well, in America, in Europe, throughout the Middle East and larger Muslim world, and scattered here and there in almost every corner of the globe.

The Hatred I See as a Messianic Jew

To give some perspective to this, many of my “followers” know me only as an evangelical Christian and don’t realize that I’m a Messianic Jew. (In other words, a Jewish follower of Jesus.)

So, I’m not as conspicuously Jewish as, say, Rabbi Shmuley Boteach or Ben Shapiro or Dennis Prager or Michael Medved.

Yet on a regular basis, I’m the target of foul, ugly, sometimes violent antisemitism. To repeat: Jew-hatred is alive and well today and shows no signs of abating.

Just the other day, a professing Christian ended a long rant on my YouTube channel with this comment: “Adolf Hitler was the greatest Christian in 2000 years, since Saint Paul! Sadly, he had no ‘Gas Chambers’ for demon seed Edomite, Canaanite, Communist Jews. The Holohoax is a total LIE by ‘demons in shoe-leather’ that we call ‘Jews’ today.”

To call this sick is an understatement. Yet it’s the kind of trash I see day after day, just on my own social media pages, with charges like this:

Israel, which represents all world Jewry, is guilty of apartheid and genocide.

To this day, the Jewish people literally suck the blood of kidnapped children.

The Jews control the world and are responsible for all the problems faced by the human race.

The Jews are an evil seed.

And on and on it goes, with quotes like this appearing on a regular basis on my ministry’s internet feeds:

“I hate Israel = devil.”

“Hitler was a good guy. Jews are parasites who destroy host countries who are foolish enough to allow them entry. Educate yourself about the parasitic Jew.”

“The Jews murdered Jesus. That’s why we have murder now.”

“Israel is a terrorist polity. The decimation of and annihilation of Israel is coming soon, inshaalah (Allah willing).”

“Israel = ISIS = alwaida = terrorism. That’s it.”

“F— you, Jewish a—holes. You need one more Hitler.”

“Jews are true violent people, all throughout history.”

“This guy [speaking of me] is on Adolph Netanayhu’s payroll.”

“Islam and Christianity CAN get along! If it weren’t for the God d—n Jews.”

“ANYWAYS YOU WHITE PIGS YOU WHITE PIG S— YOU WHITE PIG F—-RS ARE EXTINCT RIGHT NOW YOU WHITE PIG S—S ARE IN THE PIT OF HELL FOR ETERNITY WE WILL ROAST AND EAT YOUR WHITE YUMMY COOKED MEAT PREFER IT WELL DONE CAN YOU ALL PLEASE GO TRAVEL TO F—ING HELL SACRIFICE AND EAT YOUR WHITE BABY FETUSES YOU ABORTION BABY SACRIFICING S–M ALRIGHT YOU SERIOUS F—ING PIECES OF S— YOU CALL YOURSELVES GODS CHOSEN PEOPLE YOU SATAN WORSHIPPING S—M.”

This is just the tiniest sampling, just the slightest hint of this sick, irrational, often violent hatred.

Against this backdrop, you can better understand how this synagogue massacre affects American Jews.

As for the victims and their families, words of sympathy seem trite at this point.

May God Himself reach out to heal and restore in the days and years ahead.

 

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  • The deepest root of Christian Antisemitism is Replacement Theology. The introduction of this theology was a fatal error of the Church the effects of which last until this day. Everyone who can read can know that the New Covenant announced by the Book of Jeremiah (ch. XXXI) is to be made “with the House of Israel and the House of Judah” (Jer. 31:31), i.e. with the Jewish Nation. At his Last Supper Yeshua revealed that the foundation of this New Covenant was in his Blood, that is in this atoning death and passion. The spiritual blessings of this Covenant are made available to all who believe, both Jews and Gentiles, in this time, i.e. before the national conversion and restoration of all Israel in Messiah Yeshua. But the ratification and formal establishing of the New Covenant will occur when Yeshua returns in glory and majesty and will erect the Messianic Kingdom. At that time the Jewish Nation will accept him as their King-Messiah.

    The Church, or — in better and biblical terminology — the Assembly or Body of Messiah, is just the anticipation of this national restoration of Israel. At the first coming of Yeshua the official leaders of Israel didn’t accept him as the national Messiah. That’s why the salvation went to the Gentiles and the first (Israel), became the last, and vice versa. But in the end Israel will accept him and the pre-eminence of the Jewish Nation as God’s Kingdom of Priests will be restored, as all the Prophets testify.

    • Kevin Quillen

      “The deepest root of Christian Antisemitism is Replacement Theology”
      I resent and reject this characterization. Romans 9:6-8 makes it very clear that someone from national Israel is not automatically one of God’d people. Only those of faith are true Israel. Matt 23:31-36 and Matt 24:34 make it abundantly clear that the Jews were judged, condemned, and rejected by God at the destruction of the temple and Jerusalem in 70 A.D.. Please explain to me why Paul was looking forward to “adoption”. Romans 8:23, Gal 4:5. He was a natural Jew but looked forward to being “adopted”.(please study adoption as pertains to Roman law, it explains why Paul was looking forward to it) He knew being a natural Jew gave him no advantage. He knew the Jews were about to be cut off. He knew the old covenant would be replaced with a new and better one. One in which the focus was on the individual heart and not on nationality. People like myself, who believe the preterist interpretation of the Bible is the correct one are always labeled anti-Semite. Nothing could be farther from the truth! If you put stock in the 1948 fulfilling of prophecy, how much longer before you must admit error? 70 years and counting. Those who were alive a “saw”(with understanding) are around 85 years old or so. That generation has almost passed. Not much time left before it must be acknowledged that this teaching is error. Don’t forget you need 7 years for the tribulation according to the dispensationalist. I long for the Jews as well as all people to come to Christ. I just do not believe that God would have one covenant for some people and another for others. National Jews were cut off and must be grafted back in through faith in Christ.

      • Careful reading of the Epistle to the Romans shows that St. Paul distinguishes between personal salvation and national restoration. Personal salvation is not based on the promises made to Israel, but is for Jews and Gentiles indiscrimately. But to Israel is made the promise of national restoration, which is already expressed in the Torah (in Deuteronomy ch XXX), and cannot be denied without making God a liar. This promise of the Torah is abundantly confirmed by the Prophets, and in particular explained in detail by the Prophecy of Ezechiel.

        • Kevin Quillen

          please show where this distinction is made. where is the promise of national restoration in Romans?

    • The Old Covenant was abolished when it was totally fulfilled.

      The Church is the perfection of Isreal, and it is not a political body or nation or race. 60% of the Jews converted immediately, and the remainign 40% followed the pharisees to a political “master race” body. They are sinners as is everybody, there are no “chosen people” or “birthrights.”

      The last spaces in Heaven are reserved for the few Faithful Jews who will finally convert on the last day after seeing the devil’s army in person. These Jews will be the remnant that were hunted almost to extinction by those joined the devil. This happens moments before the Final Judgement.

      • This is simply not true and abundantly contradicted by Holy Scripture. When God by the mouth of the Prophet Jeremiah speaks of “Israel and Judah”, i.e. the Ten Tribes and the Two Tribes, as the people of the New Covenant, He means what He says. The expression “Israel and Judah” means literally Israel, the people of the Jews, not some imaginary “spiritual Israel”, which is itself a product of Replacement Theology and not found in the Bible.

        • No it is not, I gave you the simple position of God’s own One, Holy, Catholic, and Apostolic Church.

          There are no sacred races or tribes on earth. The Old Covenant was fulfilled and abolished totally. The New and Eternal Covenant is represented by the Church, which is (again) the perfection of Isreal and the true Isreal.

          It is not a nation created in 1950, nor is it people who rejected Christ for the pharisees. There are some Faithful Jews and they will return home to God’s Church right before the end.

          I find it amusing that you claim devotion to Christ and yet reject not only His Church but also His fulfillment of the Old Covenant on the Cross. So therefore you really reject Christ outside of an anachronistic claim as a leader of a race that wanted him executed.

          • The New Covenant is simply the renewal and fulfilment of the Covenant of Sinai, and once in that New Covenant, the Nation of Israel will be never fall away again. The Church is part of this covenant, but it doesn’t replace the Holy Nation of Israel.

            I don’t reject anything of Christ. The true “Church” of Christ is the restored Israel. And ‘fulfilment’ doesn’t mean abrogation. You claim that the “Old Covenant” was “fulfilled” at the Cross, but in reality you mean to say that it was abrogated. Christ didn’t abrogate the Torah, but claimed that it would last, every bit of it, until the end, in Mt. 5:17-19.

            You forget that the New Covenant is not a separate covenant, but the renewal of the existing covenant in the blood of Messiah. Just as the “new man” of St. Paul is not another person, but the same person endowed with supernatural grace and renewed in Messiah. This renewal will happen to National Israel at the Return of Messiah. Meanwhile the believers are collected and preserved in the Assembly of Messiah.

            You simply don’t know the Scriptures. You follow the corrupt teachings of the Church of Rome, which usurped the place of Israel and will be removed from the scene before the Return of Messiah. This usurpation is the root of Christian Antisemitism.

          • The Church is the perfection of Isreal. It did not replace anything, Church is the real thing. The Old Isreal was the BC version of the Church.

            It is not a country or a race.

          • What you say is simply not backed up by Scripture. It comes from the same source that introduced Replacement Theology. God’s promise to Israel was and is that he would neve fail his people and, although he would punish them if they were unfaithful, he would never cut them off definitely. These promises stand, and are confirmed in Messiah Yeshua. God didn’t reveal two religions, first Israel and then later the Catholic Church. Yeshua didn’t come to found a new religion but to be the promised King Messiah of the one true religion which was already founded.

          • The Church wrote the Bible. The people of God are those in the Church.

          • The Church didn’t write a jota of the Bible. She received the Scriptures from the Jewish people.

          • The New Testament was written by the first Bishops of the Church (the Apostles and their secretaries).

            There is no chosen race, that was an idea invented apocryphaly by the pharisees when they wrote the talmud.

          • No, the Scriptures of the New Testament, or better the Apostolic Writings, were written by Apostles and first generation leaders of the Assembly of Messiah, which at time was still largely a Jewish movement. There existed no “Church” or “bishops” in the later sense of these words.

            You are yourself using antisemitic language when you speak of a “chosen race”. The Jews are no race but a people and nation.

            You ignore the important fact that the Jews were warned beforehand by Moses of false Prophets, and that they were prohibited to accept any Prophet or teacher that would them lure away from the Torah, as is said in Deuteronomy ch. XIII:

            “[…] that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams, shall be put to death; because he hath spoken to turn you away from HaShem your God, which brought you out of the land of Egypt, and redeemed you out of the house of bondage, to thrust thee out of the way which HaShem thy God commanded thee to walk in. So shalt thou put the evil away from the midst of thee” (Dt. 13:5).

            So any candidate Messiah or anyone who would arise as a prophet had to be in continuity with the preceding revelation of God in the Torah. This is also true of Yeshua, who exactly for this reason strongly emphasized the continuity of his teachings with those found in the Torah and the acknowledged Prophets. In the Gospel of St. Matthew he says:

            Think not that I am come to destroy the Torah, or the Prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the Torah, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the Kingdom of Heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the Kingdom of Heaven” (Mt. 5:17-19).

            The Catholic Church doesn’t teach to keep even the least of the commandments, for she permits even to transgress major commandments, e.g. the Shabbat. The Church actually permits even to break the prohibition against eating blood, which was already given to Noach (in Gen. 9:4) and is binding for all his descendants, i.e. all humanity. Not to mention many other things, such as image worship, which is encouraged by the Church and expressly and forcefully prohibited in Scripture.

          • The Church was founded at Pentecost, this is when the Holy Spirit consecrated the Apostles (the last Prophets of the Old Covenant) as the first Bishops of the Church which is the New & Eternal Covenant.

            There is no birthright, there is no master race. The Church is the real Israel that has been perfected.

            The rhetoric about master / chosen race is talmudic rheroric created by the pharisees to reconsokidate power after 60% of all Isrealites converted just after the Ressurrection.

            mortal sins are those that break the Commandments. It might actually hurt you to learn what the Church actually is, but try it anyway as it may be the only substantive thing you do in life.

          • So the Catholics are the Master Race now? Let me laugh!

          • No, Catholicism is not a race.

          • Neither is the Jewish Nation.

          • The Old Covenant was fulfilled and abolished and the Church replaced it by perfecting it.

            The remnant was then exterminated by the romans when they destroyed the temple and razed Jerusalem. The pharisees then tried to reconsolidate their power which created the rabbinic/talmudic political groups pretending to be Old Covenant Judiasm.

            Actual Old Covenant Judaism would be pretty indistinguishable from the Church, as they are technically the same thing.

          • The Covenant with the Jewish Nation was never abolished, and it couldn’t be because God has promised always to keep it. Even the punishments of Israel predicted in the Torah are part of the Covenant and they prove that it is still in force.

            In the Gospel of St. Luke, Yeshua says: “[…] they shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations: and Jerusalem shall be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles be fulfilled” (Luke 21:24), thus indicating that the punishment is temporal. It will with Yeshua’s glorious return, when the Kingdom will be erected and Israel will become the head of all nations.

            This is confirmed by St. Paul, in his Epistle to the Romans: “For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins” (Romans 11:25-27).

            These words of St. Paul are reminiscent of what was said by the Prophet Jeremiah, in ch. XXXI of his Prophecy: “But this shall be the Covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith HaShem, I will put my Torah in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know HaShem: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith HaShem: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more” (Jer. 31:33-34).

            It is perfectly clear from Jeremiah’s Prophecy, that the Nation of Israel remains God’s covenanted people forever. For Jeremiah concludes his teaching on the New Covenant by explicitly making the following solemn declaration:

            Thus saith HaShem, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; HaShem of Hosts is his Name: If those ordinances depart from before me, saith HaShem, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever. Thus saith HaShem: If heaven above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth searched out beneath, I will also cast off all the seed of Israel for all that they have done, saith HaShem” (Jer. 31:35-37).

            It is clear that the Jews are God’s elected nation forever, and that all the promises He made to them will be fulfilled.

          • The promises were fulfilled, that is why the Old Covenant is gone and we have a New and Eternal Covenant.

            Isreal is the Church, not a nation or race or political body or anything you are desperate to label it as.

          • You are continuing to contradict the biblical texts. The Prophet Jeremiah makes it perfectly clear that the New Covenant is to be with “the seed of Israel” i.e. national Israel. His statement of God’s enduring faithfulness to the House of Israel and the House of Judah is of national Israel, otherwise the text would be misleading and make no sense. And the solemn declaration that I quoted is unambiguous. The verses that immediately follow it cannot be explained in any way of the “Church”:

            “Behold, the days come, saith HaShem, that the City shall be built to HaShem from the tower of Hananeel unto the gate of the corner. And the measuring line shall yet go forth over against it upon the hill Gareb, and shall compass about to Goath. And the whole valley of the dead bodies, and of the ashes, and all the fields unto the brook of Kidron, unto the corner of the horse gate toward the east, shall be holy unto HaShem; it shall not be plucked up, nor thrown down any more for ever” (Jer. 31:38-40)

            This unmistakenly points to the future restoration of Israel. The tower of Hananeel is not in Rome. Jeremiah is here speaking of literal Jerusalem and literal Israel, of which he says that it shall not be plucked up, nor thrown don any more for ever. This is about the people and nation of Israel, and about nothing else. Everyone who tries to apply this to a “Church” doesn’t know how to read texts.

          • How precisely does the Church that wrote the Bible contradict the Bible? Isreal the country remains, and it is just a country no matter how hard you want to retain some “birthright” you made meaningless by worshipping demons and spitting on God for 2500 years before God created the Church. The perfection of Israel is the Church.

            When was Jerimiah written? The final six-seven books of the OT are the ones that deal with the Church, the Sacraments, Purgatory, etc. These final OT books were written 200-300 years before Christ and when Isreal was just about hunted to extinction because of idiotic mistakes from David forward.

            This is why your apostasy and the prot heresy had to just outright remove those books from your edited “bibles” because you cannot scrub them of references to the Church.

          • What you say is just nonsense. You have completely demonstrated that you are an ignoramus in biblical matters.

          • This message is non-specific to mine. Could you try addressing what I said?

          • On the condition that you deal honestly with the things I said, e.g. my literal explanation of Jeremiah ch. XXXI.

          • There are four senses of Scripture. Do you know what they are?

          • Prove what you say. So first demonstrate from Scripture itself that there are four senses of Scripture.

          • Scripture is just words in a book, it cannot justify itself any more than you can find justification for your various heresies in it.

            The 4 senses are:
            Historical
            Moral
            Allegorical
            Anagogical

            “Literal” is not one of them. This is from the Church that actually wrote the Bible and therefore knows what it means. It was written by the Apostles who were the first Bishops of the Church.

          • The only real sense here is the historical-grammatical one. As Aquinas explains, the other senses are either moral or spiritual applications of the texts of Scripture, or they are additional senses ascribed not to the words of Scrpiture, but to the events themselves described by these words. This is the typological sense, which is thus really an additional sense added to the events of Scripture described by later events in a later stage of revelation, which widens the perspective. For instance the Davidic monarchy is a type of the future Reign of Messiah.

            The Apostolic Scriptures were not written by that organization which today is called the Church. They were all written before there was a Catholic Church. They were written either by the Apostles or their associates who were all part of the Jewish Messianic Community and Torah observant disciples of Yeshua. There was no Catholic Church in those dayg. The Catholic Church emerged as an unholy synthesis between the Roman Empire and Biblical Christianity. This synthesis was made possible by the Mystery of Lawlessness i.e. the mystery of the rejection of the Torah the Apostle Paul warned against in II Thessalonians 2:7.

            This mystery of Lawlessness developed within the Church and its first culmination was the rejection of all the ritual laws of the Torah. This rejection made it possible for Christianity to adopt Roman and Greek religious and cultural forms and resulted in establishing the syncretistic religion which is the Catholic Church.

            Nowadays, the Church is in the process of an intensified Lawlessness, which will result in the rejection of the moral laws of the Torah thus completing of the Mystery of Lawlessness by the rejecting all the Torah. This is what we see happening today and which will lead to the permission of LGTBQ sexual relations and all kinds of perversions and immorality. This final stage of the rejection of God’s Law will culminate in the massive Apostasy of the Last Days and the rule of the Man of Sin as St. Paul calls him, i.e. the endtime Antichrist.

          • So the only one that matters is a heretical one? Well isn’t that just the summation of your error. you don’t care what the Truth is.

            The Church was created at Pentecost when the Holy Spirit personally consecrated the Apostles as the first Bishops of the Church. That predates the Bible as the first Bishops of the Church only wrote the Scriptures when they were getting hunted down and needed to preserve their accounts.

          • The Assembly of Messiah was indeed formed at the Day of the Feast of Weeks (Pentecost), and the Twelve Apostles represented the believing Remnant of Israel. But this Assembly was in no way the Catholic Church, and the Apostles were not Bishops of this Church. They were just Jewish believers in Messiah who had the task of founding the Assembly.

            From the New Testament perspective there is no succession of Apostles. Although later leaders were appointed by the Apostles, these leaders were just Overseers and Elders, not Apostles.

            The act of writing the NT never was a formal act of the Assembly, but of individuals especially called by God. Their work became recognized by the Messianic Community as inspired by God in the course of time. But in this recognition there was no formal act of the Church involved. Local synods here and there made lists of the Holy Books, and gradually a common opinion was formed without much debate. Only the episode of Marcion was an exception to this.

          • I always find it amusing how each heresy that is maybe 1-200 years old try to explain how you are the actual Church, when the Catholic Church has actually been here since Pentecost.

            There was more than the marcionist heresy that challenged the Church and failed. The Church wrote your Bible and you use words invented by the Church and the Bible has only been authorized and collected by the Church.

            This intellectual dishonesty is pathetic. you are blocked. My sympathy for you is spent, and my feet are wiped of your dust.

          • You keep asserting things that are manifestly untrue and which contradict scholarly opinion. No, the Hebrew Bible was produced in the context of Ancient Israel, and the Catholic Church had no say over it at all. And the Apostolic Writings emerged within the context of the Assembly of Messiah when it was still Jewish.

            The Catholic Church didn’t “authorize” the NT Books. They were already recognized as divinely inspired long before this particular Church made a formal declaration about it, not to mention that this formal declaration was only made at the Council of Trent, after these books had already been in use for 1500 years.

          • Kevin Quillen

            Acts 3:23 and Romans 9:6-8 Under the new covenant being a Jew(national) means NOTHING!

          • Kevin Quillen

            “Mt. 5:17-19.”
            This is much misunderstood. Please take the time to look up the word “elements” in 2 Peter 3:10 and 12 and Gal 4:3. The meaning of the Greek is telling. Heaven and earth HAS passed away. Look up references to “heaven and earth” in the old Testament and you will find what really passes away.

          • II Peter 3:10 and Gal. 4:3 don’t contradict what I said. The Torah is not of the elements (stocheia) of this world. It is the eternal word of God.

            Besides, what has II Peter 3:10 or Gal. 4:3 to do with the exegesis of Mt. 5:17-19?

            Moreover, you contradict yourself in your explanation. If heaven and earth have already passed away, then how can II Peter 3:10 which places this passing away in the future be true? We nowadays still live in this world which is to pass away. Yeshua’s point is that as long as this world exists, the Torah remains in force.

          • Kevin Quillen

            It was in the future when Peter said it. It came to pass in 70 A.D. with the destruction of the temple and of Jerusalem.

            Let me try a different approach…..for futurism,(dispensationalism) to be true, there HAS TO BE A GAP between the 69th and 70th week of Daniel’s prophecy. This “gap” is called the “church age” by many. NO ONE has EVER proved where this gap is Biblically. NO ONE! I actually heard Thomas Ice(look him up if you are not familiar with him)say that the gap is there because it must be there! He said this on national tv. No Biblical proof, just making the scriptures fit the theory. The Preterist understanding of eschatology solves all the problems. The urgency in the scriptures regarding the end of the age(not world)( 1 John 2:18, “last hour”). It makes Jesus’s statements in Matt 23:36 and Matt 24:34 true(no arguing over what “generation” means. A gap is not needed for scripture to make sense. No need for a “rapture”(look up the Greek for “air” in 1 Thess 4:17, does not fit the “going up” idea. This is a resurrection verse. But the big question is…..where is the gap? I could go on but enough is enough. Do some honest investigating into preterism. I have honestly studied for over 35 years to get to where I am. One can choose to remain where they are or decide to dig deeper. I hope you dig. God Bless you, I am done.

          • Your point of view implies that today the Great Tribulation, which takes place in the 70th week of Daniel, is already past history. But this doesn’t agree with Yeshua’s saying that his Return is immediately after this Tribulation, as is said in the Gospel of St. Matthew, ch. XXIV:

            Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other” (Mt. 24:29-31).

          • Kevin Quillen

            Jesus did return in 70 A.D. See Matt 26:64. Why was this blasphemy? It was because Jesus was here saying that He was coming to judge Israel. Look up all references to riding or coming in or on clouds in the old testament. Caiaphas understood this. The tribulation is past, second coming is past, resurrection is past. It is ALL finished. We are in the eternal state. Take some time to look at some Don K Preston videos on youtube. He is one of the best teachers of the preterist position. Peace and blessings to you.

          • Jesus did return in 70 AD, and so nowadays we are living in the Messanic Kingdom? I’m sorry, but I never heard anything so ridiculous.

          • Kevin Quillen

            then you have never studied independently or deeply.
            the Kingdom comes not with observation.

          • You are putting too much emphasis on a single aspect of the truth and on particular texts. Yeshua’s saying that the Kingdom doesn’t come with observation is related to the first or hidden phase of the Kingdom, when the King was in their midst but wasn’t recognized. This phase will until the Second Coming. For it is clear that in the end the Son of Man will come with power and great glory, according to Luke ch. XXI:

            “There will be signs in sun and moon and stars, and on the earth dismay among nations, in perplexity at the roaring of the sea and the waves, men fainting from fear and the expectation of the things which are coming upon the world; for the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. But when these things begin to take place, straighten up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near” (Lk. 21:25-28)

            From this and many other texts it is clear that the Return of Yeshua is an observable event. But until that time the Kingdom is hidden in a certain sense, and the text you quoted applies to that situation:

            “Now having been questioned by the Pharisees as to when the Kingdom of God was coming, He answered them and said, “The Kingdom of God is not coming with signs to be observed; nor will they say, ‘Look, here it is!’ or, ‘There it is!’ For behold, the Kingdom of God is in your midst” (Lk. 17:20-21).

            The Kingdom of God was in the midst of the disciples by the presence of Yeshua, who is the KIng. Today the Kingdom is in our midst by the working of the Holy Spirit, by which Yeshua is in the midst of his Assembly. But this refers to the hidden stage of the Kingdom, which will last until the full revelation at the Second Coming, when the Kingdom will be established in power.

          • Kevin Quillen

            Remain in ignorance if you wish.

          • From the texts of Scripture I understand, and I think it is the normal understanding, that the Second Coming is a public event. Why else would it be called Parousia, i.e. public presence? From this it follows that the Second Coming cannot have been in the year 70 CE.

            If you want to convince me of your opinion, then you have to first demonstrate from Scripture that the Second Coming is not a public event.

          • Kevin Quillen

            http://www.tentmaker(dot)org/books/heavenandearth.htm
            replace the (dot) with a real .
            This is a very good resource which PROVES that “heaven and earth” passed away in 70 A.D..
            It is a very interesting read, I hope you take the time to read it.

          • I’m sorry, but this is not a scholarly source, nor is your opinion in accordance with the plain meaning of “heaven and earth”. Heaven and earth were created in Gen. 1:1, and will not pass away except by their renewal into the eternal creation of the World to Come. Even in the Kingdom Age the Torah will be followed, as is clear for example from the latter part of the Book of Ezechiel (chs 40 &c).

          • Kevin Quillen

            Many scholars disagree. How do you know which scholar to believe? No need to reply. You choose to remain a sheeple. Good luck.

          • This is not a matter of which scholar to believe or disbelieve. This is simply about the basics of text reading, about which scholars agree, even if they give different interpretations. But if you want to convince me, then demonstrate and prove what you have to say. The burden of proof is on the one who comes with a new viewpoint or assertion.

          • Kevin Quillen

            no comment about the “gap”? You do realize it is necessary for there to be a gap between the 69th and 70th week don’t you?

        • Kevin Quillen

          Jesus came to the Jews. So you are correct to say that the new covenant was to Israel and Judah. BUT…..He was rejected by the Jews and so they were cutoff and the Gentiles grafted into Israel. The believing Jews were grafted BACK IN(Romans 11:23) and became part of spiritual Israel. Israel today is of faith as Romans 9:6-8 makes very clear. Acts 3:23 also backs this up. Once Jesus died on the cross the way was opened for all. One covenant for ONE people. Ephesian 2:14-16. Do you really think that since Jesus died for all that God would accept sacrifices from the Jews today? The Jews desire to rebuild the temple and start up the sacrifices again and many Christians believe this. Would this not be a slap in the face to Christ? You and most misunderstand the significance of the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple in 70 A.D.. It was the judgment on the Jews Jesus foretold in Matt 23:31-36, and Matt 24:34.

  • davidrev1911

    “Behold, my servant shall act wisely; he shall be high and lifted up, and shall be exalted. As many were astonished at you— his appearance was so marred, beyond human semblance, and his form beyond that of the children of mankind—so shall he sprinkle many nations. Kings shall shut their mouths because of him, for that which has not been told them they see, and that which they have not heard they understand…

    “Who has believed what he has heard from us? And to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed? For he grew up before him like a young plant, and like a root out of dry ground; he had no form or majesty that we should look at him, and no beauty that we should desire him. He was despised and rejected by men, a man of sorrows and acquainted with grief; and as one from whom men hide their faces he was despised, and we esteemed him not. Surely he has borne our griefs and carried our sorrows; yet we esteemed him stricken, smitten by God, and afflicted. But he was pierced for our transgressions; he was crushed for our iniquities; upon him was the chastisement that brought us peace, and with his wounds we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned—every one—to his own way; and the Lord has laid on him the iniquity of us all.

    “He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth; like a lamb that is led to the slaughter, and like a sheep that before its shearers is silent, so he opened not his mouth. By oppression and judgment he was taken away; and as for his generation, who considered that he was cut off out of the land of the living, stricken for the transgression of my people? And they made his grave with the wicked and with a rich man in his death, although he had done no violence, and there was no deceit in his mouth. Yet it was the will of the Lord to crush him; he has put him to grief; when his soul makes an offering for guilt, he shall see his offspring; he shall prolong his days; the will of the Lord shall prosper in his hand. Out of the anguish of his soul he shall see and be satisfied; by his knowledge shall the righteous one, my servant, make many to be accounted righteous, and he shall bear their iniquities. Therefore I will divide him a portion with the many, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong, because he poured out his soul to death and was numbered with the transgressors; yet he bore the sin of many, and makes intercession for the transgressors.” (Isaiah 52:13-53:12/ESV)

    Shalom…in the holy name of Yeshua-Jesus – Israel’s Redeemer for all mankind!

  • nickstuart

    Evangelical opponents of the death penalty make your case. Speak up. Don’t be shy.

  • only_by_His_grace

    Honestly, I just don’t understand it. Antisemitism makes absolutely no sense to me. AT ALL. Especially as a Christian, I am so grateful to be “grafted in” to Israel through Christ’s shed blood. But even if I weren’t a Christian, I’d still think the Jews are an amazing and fascinating people. Clearly, the demonic hordes have made Jews priority targets throughout the centuries.

  • Patmos

    Why mourn when you can exploit tragedies like this to try to get gun control legislation passed?

    • kman

      What will passing another gun control regulation fix? Never has stopped any of this yet. Maybe we should try gun education, usage and training.

  • tz1

    I can only understand that Jews are part of the toxic Identity Politics, and that we can’t even discuss anything (e.g. any Israeli policy like we do Saudi Arabia’s murder of a journalist) without being destroyed as being an anti-Semite. Is an Israel-first American really American?

    3000 innocent babies were murdered in abortion clinics on the same day. Why are they and the 3000 every day less relevant than the 11 murdered in the synagogue? Anyone else see irony that they were celebrating the birth of a newborn when they were murdered? Do you / why do you consider the murderer here as more evil than Tiller or Gosnell?

    Dickens talked of telescopic philanthropy – where the starving and homeless on the streets of London were ignored while the rich contributed to help Africa and India.

    I’m wondering what happened to any or all of the outrage over the 60 MILLION deaths of unborn babies here, in America, and why there is more discussion of Trump’s tweets than his inability to defund Planned Parenthood. Margaret Sanger was a Nazi, so Trump is in a real sense continuing to fund Neo-Nazis. No outrage?

    Unborn babies don’t vote and aren’t an identity for Identity Politics, but Feminazis are, with their pink hats. And Jews are another identity, 70% voted for Hillary, which I’m trying to understand and reconcile. Jews stoned St. Stephen to death. Those in America seem to be trying to duplicate that.

    I will also end with Israel considering the selection of responses you gave. I’m an American. Israel is a FOREIGN country, not unlike Mexico. I don’t give any quarter to Mexicans or other immigrants that don’t want to put America first but see themselves as still Mexicans, Hondurans, Guatemalans, etc. Why should I treat Jews who seem to be more loyal to Israel differently? Is the USA a colony of Israel? Israel can be an ally – as apparently Saudi Arabia is. But when an ally does something wrong, is it racism or hatred to call out the evil act?

    For me, I consider the secular, socialist, defacto pro-abort, state of Israel with the most LGBTQ+ friendly city in the world, Tel Aviv, as an independent nation that is entitled to be nationalistic and set policies it deems necessary to its survival. But then I would also give that identical consideration to my HOME country of the United States. I can make observations, and look at policies in the light of the Gospel. But Israel is NOT my country. I can’t second guess either way.

    But you seem to consider any criticism of Israel as evidence of Nazi level anti-Semitism instead of differing on foreign policy. Is Israel a foreign country to you or your real home?

    • Bryan

      Why do you consider yourself as the only (or one of a very select few) person who is outraged by abortion? I hate it too but it is not the only evil in the world. And I can hate abortion and have opinions about other subjects as well. So can many others.

      • kman

        If you don’t like Murderers, then don’t be one.
        I think people need to start looking at themselves to analyze how they are behaving. The Kindness movement and the platinum rule are novel ideas but it leaves self awareness out from what I see. Now we have people breaking rules because they feel kindness is first, or judging how people should be treated without really knowing.

  • Nanita Staley

    OMG! I apologize profusely that you suffer the indignity of such wretched hatred! Perhaps you should follow Kenneth Copeland’s example and never read the stuff, good or bad, that is sent to your office. However, I do not think it will ever relent.

    I think there is a reason why these things are happening and will continue. There is a very cogent verse which few are taught about, but I am quite certain you are well aware of it. It is Jeremiah 16:15 ” ‘The Lord lives who brought up the children of Israel from the land of the north and from all the lands where He had driven them.’ For I will bring them back into their land which I gave to their fathers.16 “Behold, I will send for many fishermen,” says the Lord, “and they shall fish them; and afterward I will send for many hunters, and they shall hunt them from every mountain and every hill, and out of the holes of the rocks.”

    I realize most do not know what this means. But there is a very clear example in the last century. God sent affliction among the Jews in milder forms to encourage them to return to their own land willingly. That was the fishers. When that was not enough, He finally allowed the “hunters” to rampage: pogroms throughout Europe became the Nazis and death camps to which the nations of the earth turned a deaf ear and a blind eye.

    And very many have returned to the land God has called theirs, Israel. Yet the remainder stubbornly refuse to emigrate to their Homeland, Israel. God will not relent. He wants His people in the land that He set aside for them and promised to them. It is time. And He has a plan that the earth has not imagined even yet. He is calling all His Jewish children home to their Homeland, Israel. (How that mandate applies to Messianic Jews, I do not know ☺.)

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