Sudden Destruction is Coming to the Whole World

Let us not fall asleep in the light.

A tsunami survivor sits on a pile of debris as she salvages items from the location of her house in Sumur, Indonesia, Monday, Dec. 24, 2018.

By Michael Brown Published on December 26, 2018

The images are disturbing, unnerving. But they are real. All too real. A rock band is performing in Indonesia to the delight of the audience when suddenly, without warning, a massive wave sweeps them off the stage to their deaths. There are screams of terror, then there is blackness. This is what sudden destruction looks like. Yet the Bible says it will come one day to the whole earth.

The band was named “Seventeen,” with a large Instagram following, and the band’s sole surviving member, Riefian Fajarsyah, lost his wife in the tsunami. To date, the death toll nationwide has reached 430, with another 1,500 injured and almost 22,000 displaced.

Of course, as tragic as these figures are, they pale in comparison to the 2004 tsunami which struck multiple countries at the same time and resulted in a death toll of 227,000. But, in the aftermath of the 2004 tragedy, “countries including the UK, Germany and Malaysia donated detection buoys and other equipment to Indonesia to help warn of future tsunamis,” although upgrading has been needed for the equipment.

Still, the recent tsunami came without warning.

As related by survivor Bapu Suwarna, “The sound grew and I even heard crashing sounds. Seconds later I saw people running from the tsunami wave shouting ‘Tsunami! Waves! Waves!’”

He added: “It took only seconds not minutes after hearing the thunderous sounds and then the waves hit us. From the bottom of my heart, I sincerely request that the government set up an early warning system so people can anticipate an incoming tsunami. I didn’t have much time, after the loud sounds were heard.”

The Bible Warns of Sudden Destruction

It was literally a matter of seconds. Moments later, there was devastation.

Yet, to repeat, the Bible says that this will happen again in much greater fashion and on a much grander scale.

As Paul wrote to the Thessalonians, “For you yourselves are fully aware that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. While people are saying, ‘There is peace and security,’ then sudden destruction will come upon them as labor pains come upon a pregnant woman, and they will not escape” (1 Thes. 5:2-3).

Please don’t take these words lightly. If you believe the Bible to be true, then what Paul wrote will come to pass.

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Jesus issued similar warnings as well, telling His followers:

Just as it was in the days of Noah, so will it be in the days of the Son of Man. They were eating and drinking and marrying and being given in marriage, until the day when Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all. Likewise, just as it was in the days of Lot—they were eating and drinking, buying and selling, planting and building, but on the day when Lot went out from Sodom, fire and sulfur rained from heaven and destroyed them all—so will it be ion the day when the Son of Man is revealed. (Luke 17:26-30).

The point Jesus and Paul are making is simple. People will ignore the signs of the times. They will be lulled into a sense of false security. They will be caught up with the spirit of the world, enjoying their lives, focusing on themselves, oblivious to God and His demands. They will be sure that “all is well” and that judgment will never come. And then, suddenly, it will be at the door. And then, suddenly, it will be too late.

But that’s not the end of the story.

Keeping Awake and Sober

Jesus and Paul gave these warnings for a reason. It was so that we who believe, we who love the Lord, would not be caught unawares. It was so that we would be serving and alert rather than partying and slumbering.

To quote Paul again, from this same passage just cited to the Thessalonians:

But you are not in darkness, brothers, for that day to surprise you like a thief. For you are all children of light, children of the day. We are not of the night or of the darkness. So then let us not sleep, as others do, but let us keep awake and be sober. For those who sleep, sleep at night, and those who get drunk, are drunk at night. But since we belong to the day, let us be sober, having put on the breastplate of faith and love, and for a helmet the hope of salvation. For God has not destined us for wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ. (1 Thes. 5:3-9)

This, then, is how we should live. This, then, is how should we conduct ourselves in this world.

As Peter wrote to his readers:

Since all these things [speaking of the present heavens and earth] are thus to be dissolved, what sort of people ought you to be in lives of holiness and godliness, waiting for and hastening the coming of the day of God, because of which the heavens will be set on fire and dissolved, and the heavenly bodies will melt as they burn! But according to his promise we are waiting for new heavens and a new earth gin which righteousness dwells. Therefore, beloved, since you are waiting for these, be diligent to be found by him without spot or blemish, and at peace. (2 Pet. 3:11-14)

We who walk in the light, we who are children of the day, we who live lives honoring to the Lord, have nothing to fear. Let us not fall asleep in the light.

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  • Patmos

    Don’t sleep with the harlot of Babylon, the Lamb will overcome the beast, and glory will reign!

    • Kevin Quillen

      the harlot Babylon, WAS Jerusalem. Past history. The destruction of Jerusalem and the temple and the killing of approx 1.1 million Jews was the end of the Jewish age and the DIVORCE of God and Israel. We, the church, is no longer the bride of Christ, but now we are the wife of Christ. ALL is fulfilled.

      • Patmos

        Wow, so the Book of Revelation already happened? I must have been watching reruns on TV.

        • James Blazsik

          It only makes sense. Revelation says twice in 1st chapter and twice in the last chapter that it will happen soon. It happened during Nero’s reign. Nero was the beast
          Follow the theme of “the great city”, which is identified as the city our Savior was crucified. Babylon in chapter 18 is identified as the “great city”.
          There have been differing views of Revelation throughout church history. This is the Preterist view.

          • davidrev1911

            “It happened during Nero’s reign. Nero was the beast”

            If Nero was the beast, then why didn’t the former Jewish rabbinical scholar, Sha’ul of Tarsus [aka the Apostle Paul, the “Apostle to the Gentiles”] say ANYthing to Timothy about Nero’s identity, even cryptically – let alone mentioning this to anyone else – in Paul’s final words we have from him in 2 Timothy, just prior to “giving his head” to the maniacal Nero in the mid-60’s CE??

            So it would seem that this curious “Preterist” scenario, would present a particularly glaring oversight on the part of the Apostle Paul; including that of THE Holy Spirit Himself [i.e., the “Spirit of Truth”], with regard to Paul’s zealously protecting and/or discipling other Christians in his realm of ministry with the Word of God, until the very end? (See 2 Tim. 4:9-21)

            I would think his final urgent words to Timothy – given Paul’s impending martyrdom, of which he was clearly aware [i.e., 2 Thess. 4:6-8] – would’ve been the critical moment to warn Timothy et al. as to what was coming by Nero; seeing as though Nero had been waging mind-numbing unholy war on the people of God up until this time?

            Yet what do we find? Total silence in this regard! How could Paul not have known this about Nero before his being martyred by him – when you’ve made this exact claim about Nero, some 2,000 years after the fact?

            And this final warning, even if it had been given only to Timothy, would’ve certainly been consistent with the eschatological “revelations” he’d already taught the Thessalonian brothers & sisters in both of those Epistles, written in the early 50’s. (But more importantly, just consider the very context of 2 Thess. 2:1-12?)

            Are we actually willing to believe that the aged Apostle [about to die], or the Holy Spirit, wouldn’t regard the issue of Nero’s “Preterist-oriented” identity to be a matter of critically necessary relevance to Christians at that juncture, of whom had been suffering unimaginable horrors while living under Nero??

            Unfortunately, and far-more-often than not: Preterism itself – especially what’s called “Full Preterism” – is known for generating a great many more “questions” in its theologically & eschatologically arcane wake – than it is when it comes to providing sound, illuminating, biblically coherent “answers” on a consistent basis.

          • Kevin Quillen

            let me answer this with a question……if the book of Rev was written in 96AD as most believe, why no mention of the destruction of the temple?
            By the way….could Paul know how long Nero would reign?

          • Kevin Quillen

            Full Preterism needs no “gaps”(found nowhere in the Bible, but only assumed) to make sense of Bible prophecy.

          • davidrev1911

            I’m not even going to dignify your typically evasive, “out-in-left-field” NON-answer-answer [i.e., more “questions”], with another sound, thoughtfully provocative biblical inquiry of mine!

            I’ll simply allow the “Spirit of Truth” Himself to do His perfect work here on this blog, within the hearts of those of whom diligently “seek His face” – when it comes to the inerrant truth found in the Holy Scriptures. Shalom!

          • Kevin Quillen

            Please exegete Matt 16:28 for me.

          • davidrev1911

            Allowing Scripture to interpret Scripture, please “compare” and/or “examine” this enigmatic statement by our Lord in the light of its Synoptic context.

            (BTW: I still stand by this tried-and-true hermeneutic of employing the normal, literal, grammatical, and historical interpretation of all Scripture – unless the context demands a different perspective.)

            Anyway, I’m simply asking you to compare Matt. 16:28, with the other Synoptic texts of Mark 9:1-8 & Luke 9:27-36; while bearing in mind the overall immediate contextual relevance Jesus’ statement has with regard to “The Transfiguration,” of which was about to take place roughly a week later. This occurence is abundantly clear in all Synoptic passages too.

            So the reference to “some standing here” would, in context, seem to indicate that the “some” refers to Peter, James and John as eyewitnesses; of whom were about to accompany our Lord to Mt. Hermon for his transfiguration in about a week from that moment. And lastly: New Testament scholars, well schooled in the Greek Text, have long recognized that the word “kingdom” CAN also be translated as “royal splendor.” Just sayin!

            And don’t forget to compare/examine Jesus’ transfiguration texts on Mt. Hermon, with what the Apostle John had seen, or experienced while on Patmos, i.e., Revelation 1:9-20. Because for some reason, John’s earthly/physical reaction to these incidents are radically different in both settings – as in Rev. 1:17, whereby John “fell at his feet as dead”??

            Why do you suppose Peter, James & John weren’t nearly as dramatically affected by Jesus’ transfiguration on Mt. Hermon – as John clearly was when “he turned to SEE THE VOICE that spoke with me…”??? (Rev. 1:12)

            I’ve never encountered a more reasonable interpretation amongst reputable scholars either, of this somewhat mysterious passage, since becoming a “child of the Most High” over 22-years ago. So “that’s my story, and I’m stickin’ to it”!

          • Kevin Quillen

            What rewards did He bring at the transfiguration? Matt 16:27
            That is kinda like saying that some of the people on this site will not taste death before I come back from a weeks vacation. Silly! “some” not tasting death implies that most would die.

          • Kevin Quillen

            I am done David. When enough time passes, and it will, the dispensationalism foolishness will be proven error. Not much longer. I try to point people to Jesus and the Fathers love. Eschatology is for mature Christians. Sad thing is though many young Christians just take the word of their Pastor or denomination and never be as the Bereans. The only problem with dispensationalism is that it makes Christ out to be a liar or a lunatic. There is no “gap” except the one created by necessity to make the theory work. I actually heard Thomas Ice say this. He said, and I quote, “the gap is there because it has to be there” on national tv. The “Great Parenthesis” is a lie. Intelligent people realize this and are turned off to Christianity. If you open your mind and seek the truth honestly without your preconceived ideas influencing you, the Holy Spirit will enlighten you. Peace Brother and may God bless you.

          • davidrev1911

            Thanks Kevin! I’ll simply close by saying that the main reason I really struggle with Full Preterism, is because of its anti-Semitic implications, whether intentional, or not, and its core teaching of Replacement Theology – which is also anti-Semitic.

            And if, according to FP, Yahweh has ultimately “washed-his-hands” [i.e., rejected, or forsaken] the nation of Israel, and the Jewish people, then He’s a liar, and can’t be trusted to fulfill ANY promises He’s ever made to ANYone – including those to the “ekklesia.” Let that sink in.

            God’s blessing on you & yours as well brother!

          • davidrev1911

            BTW: The Book of Revelation was indeed written by the Apostle Yochanon [or John] in the mid-90’s, during the evil reign of another Roman Emperor, Domitian – and one can easily locate specific reference to a Temple in Jerusalem in chapter 11:1-2.

            Obviously this “great city which is called Sodom and Egypt, where our Lord was crucified…” [11:8], has to be in today’s 21st-century geographical Jerusalem – the future Rev. 11:1-2 Temple included someday – especially when one considers Israel’s current apostasy, spiritual harlotries & egregious sins.

            Because there’s not ONE single verse in the entire 11th-chapter, whose historical occurrences could be confidently, or even remotely placed in an AD 70 context by reputable scholars – the earthquake and its associated devastation (11:13) as well.

            These historical incidents are clearly future – particularly those “two witnesses.” If Yahweh is anything, He IS faithful!

            So why would John, then imprisoned as a criminal on Patmos, find it necessary to mention the 2nd Temple’s destruction some 25-years earlier – plus the resultant decimation of the city of Jerusalem at that time; not to mention its population being almost totally destroyed, with the remaining fortunate survivors having been “scattered to the four winds” of slavery in other nation-states of that day…decades earlier?? It just doesn’t add-up Kevin.

            Stay tuned…”watch and pray”!

          • Kevin Quillen

            so when the generation that saw the rebirth of Israel in 1948 passes with nothing happening, what then? Big problem. Loss of credibility for the church. Makes Christ a liar. Not good!
            Not much time left.

          • davidrev1911

            If one incorporates, thus applies, the roughly “100-years = a generation” period of “chronos” clocktime [Greek “chronos” = our solar 24-hour days] within the context of properly exegeting Jesus’ usage of “this generation shall not pass away until” etc. – in the Olivet Discourse – then the seemingly challenging ambiguity literally disappears. As such, this sound interpretive “grid” can reliably provide another biblical possibility for the resolution of Jesus’ crystal-clear declaration.

            Thus one can clearly witness this often forgotten use of “100-years = a generation,” in Genesis 15:12-21 [specifically vv. 13-16], when the “LORD God” had both unilaterally & unconditionally inaugurated the still-valid everlasting blood-covenant with Abram, aka the “Abrahamic Covenant.”

            Please don’t miss the precise correlation between the “four hundred years” in 15:13; of which technically ends-up being a 430-year time-frame – see Exodus 12:40-41 for contextual confirmation – and God’s use of “in the fourth generation they [Abraham’s descendants] shall return here [the Promised Land] …” stated in 15:16.

          • Kevin Quillen

            the generation that Jesus was speaking to was the people He was speaking to at the time. Their generation would see the return. Your 100 years does not help. He was not a deceiver or a liar. It is straight forward, simple declaration. His audience was THE GENERATION! Same with Matt 23:36. By not recognizing this, you make Christ a liar.

          • davidrev1911

            The historical context of “…until ALL these things take place” [Matt. 24:34], sure seems to imply that the “THIS GENERATION” would be those living eyewitnesses to “all the things” Yeshua had mentioned prior to the Parable of the Fig Tree; since several occurrences prophesied by the Lord in Matt. 24, clearly didn’t take place within Full Preterism’s cherished a priori committed, “terminus ad quem” of 70 AD.

          • Kevin Quillen

            the 666 refers to Nero as does the 616 in some manuscripts. Look it up.

          • James Blazsik

            Hey Kevin. Have you read Gentry or Chilton?

          • Kevin Quillen

            both, and Don K Preston, and John Noe, and more. I think Preston is best.

          • davidrev1911

            How would Don K. Preston, and John Noe “inductively” exegete the following passage, in view of Full Preterism’s seemingly wooden, or sacrosanct terminus ad quem, of 70 AD?

            “And Jesus said to them, “Truly I say to you, that you who have followed Me, in the regeneration when the Son of Man will sit on His glorious throne, you also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.” (Matthew 19:28/NASB; see also in exact context: Matthew 20:20-23; Luke 22:28-30; Acts 1:6; 3:21; 1 Cor. 6:1-2; Revelation 3:21 & 20:4)

            Given the specifics of this verse – not to mention the word “regeneration” being found in only two places in the NT [the other being Titus 3:5] – please tell me just exactly “when-and-where” these events had taken place; and where one might be able to locate [even today] these “twelve tribes of Israel,” over which the Lord Jesus had unequivocally promised his disciples they’d be overseeing, or “judging upon twelve thrones,” during the “regeneration”?

            And just where is the risen & glorified, very JEWISH Jesus presently located, “seated upon his glorious throne” as well – in relationship to those 12 very JEWISH disciples, judging those 12 very JEWISH “tribes of Israel”?

            This sort of topsy-turvy, clearly unfulfilled eschatological conundrum, sure makes Yeshua haMashiach look like a deceiver – or a liar of some sort? Wouldn’t you agree??

          • James Blazsik

            Your argument that the Apostle Paul didn’t mention Nero by name in his letters as proof that he didn’t know Nero was the the beast is in itself ridiculous. 2 Thess. was written in 51 or 52 ad – Nero didn’t come to the throne until 54 ad.
            But then again your argument actually aids mine. It would seem that the Holy Spirit was warning Paul that a “man of lawlessness” was coming. He was actually being warned of Nero before he became Caesar.
            The Apostle John indicated it was Nero in the book of Revelation. The number 6 hundred and 66 identifies Nero. In Rev. 17:9-10 points to Rome and 7 kings. It says 5 have fallen, one is, and that the one after him will be only for a short while. There were 5 Caesars before Nero. Nero is the one who is, or the 6th in succession. Galba came after Nero, and was Caesar for a short time – 1yr.
            Nero was a “beast” in his personal life, he was the first Roman Emperor to persecute the Church and he executed Peter and Paul.
            Because Paul didn’t mention his name in his his letter to Timothy doesn’t mean he didn’t do it in private.
            Babylon in Rev. 18 is the fall of Jerusalem. The coming of the New Jerusalem is the Church.
            Revelation never says Jesus comes back to earth. He already reigns over the rulers of the earth.Rev 1;5.
            I am a partial preterist.
            Are you a Jewish Christian?

          • davidrev1911

            “You therefore [Timothy], my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus. “The things which you have heard from me in the presence of many witnesses, ENTRUST THESE TO FAITHFUL MEN WHO WILL BE ABLE TO TEACH OTHERS ALSO.” (2 Timothy 2:1-2 – my emphasis)

            That’s called genuine discipling of others in keeping with the Lord Jesus’ commands in The Great Commission of Matt. 28:18-20.

            This then, is THE pattern of teaching & exhortation with which Paul provides Timothy in his final words. Yet we’re supposed to believe the Holy Spirit never prompted Paul, or brought to Paul’s remembrance – as in John 14:26 – to convey anything at all to Timothy about Nero’s being THE Beast of which you speak, in keeping with 2 Thess. 2:1-12, so this critical info could be disseminated amongst the brethren of whom were suffering so horribly under Nero???

            Now that’s an utterly “ridiculous” assumption, if there ever was one! This is exactly why Preterism is so truly disoriented from an eschatological perspective; because its proponents have a terrible habit of imposing foreign ideas etc. upon the text of Holy Writ – hence their consistently employing the wrongheaded, or misguided hermeneutic of “eisegesis.”

            And I’m a Gentile Christian, not a Hebrew Christian, or Messianic Jewish follower of Yeshua-Jesus.

            And one other note of significance: you also stated that, “Revelation never says Jesus comes back to earth. He already reigns over the rulers of the earth.Rev 1;5.”

            So how do you explain-away, thus MISinterpret, texts such as the entire chapter of Zechariah 14 – esp. vv. 1-4 [or Rev. 1:7]; as these are yet-future historical occurrences in chapter 14, of which NEVER could’ve taken place within Preterism’s tragically myopic, 70 AD frame of reference:

            “Behold, a day is coming for the Lord when the spoil taken from you will be divided among you. For I will gather all the nations against Jerusalem to battle, and the city will be captured, the houses plundered, the women ravished and half of the city exiled, but the rest of the people will not be cut off from the city.

            “Then the Lord will go forth and fight against those nations, as when He fights on a day of battle. In that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives, which is in front of Jerusalem on the east; and the Mount of Olives will be split in its middle from east to west by a very large valley, so that half of the mountain will move toward the north and the other half toward the south.” (Zechariah 14:1-4)

          • James Blazsik

            I am talking about the book of Revelation. Please deal with my arguments instead of avoiding them.
            This passage of Scripture in Zech. 14 deals with the destruction of Jerusalem in 70ad.

          • davidrev1911

            “Your argument that the Apostle Paul didn’t mention Nero by name in his letters as proof that he didn’t know Nero was the the beast is in itself ridiculous.”

            I almost forgot: your statement is proof-positive that you couldn’t have read my post carefully, or not in its entirety. Because I made NO such argument; since what I’d explicitly stated, was that I couldn’t possibly see how the Apostle Paul DIDN’T KNOW that Nero was the antichrist – given so much compelling scriptural info to the contrary.

            Yet his scriptural silence, with regard to his apostolic responsibilities to the brethren in this matter – is deafening, to say the least.

          • James Blazsik

            The letters of Paul that we have in Scripture are not the totality of his writings or his ministry. There are writings that are lost. We don’t know of what he spoke on a daily basis. He is not going to implicate Caesar in letters that are to endure instead of inciting more persecution.
            But you not answering my arguments in the book of Revelation is deafening. We know the Apostle John received Revelation. We are dealing with that instead of an obsession with 2 Tim.
            I am Jewish, but I am also Catholic. If you are not Jewish, why are you trying to act like one?

  • Nick Stuart

    Brings to mind the opening points of Jonathan Edwards sermon Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God:

    Their foot shall slide in due time. Deuteronomy 32:35

    The expression I have chosen for my text, Their foot shall slide in due time, seems to imply the following things, relating to the punishment and destruction to which these wicked Israelites were exposed.

    1. That they were always exposed to destruction; as one that stands or walks in slippery places is always exposed to fall. …
    2. It implies, that they were always exposed to sudden unexpected destruction…
    3. Another thing implied is, that they are liable to fall of themselves, without being thrown down by the hand of another; as he that stands or walks on slippery ground needs nothing but his own weight to throw him down.
    4. That the reason why they are not fallen already and do not fall now is only that God’s appointed time is not come. For it is said that when that due time, or appointed time, comes, their foot shall slide.

    Over the years I’ve heard a lot of criticism of Edwards (mainly by people who’ve never read any of his work, of which this sermon is only one of many). I’ve never heard a criticism that he wasn’t correct. Wouldn’t hurt us contemporary Christians to read and take his words to heart.

    • Kevin Quillen

      there is a reason sermons like this are preached less and less today. Many are realizing the modern concept of hell is pure nonsense. made up by church leaders to keep people in line when there was no central government to restrain evil. Used to scare people into belief. Is this how one comes to faith? Do you suppose a conversion based on fear is genuine? I thought LOVE brings one to faith!

      • Patmos

        Some save with fear, others with compassion.

        • Kevin Quillen

          so you believe that one can be scared into love? the basis of relationship with the Father is LOVE.

      • Robert

        I don’t know if it’s theologically correct but for me at least I don’t think I really understood the love involved in the sacrifice Jesus made for us until I feared standing before God in judgment.

      • Dena

        Then why did Jesus talk about Hell more than anyone? Jesus warned us because he loves us and doesn’t want us to go there. The only thing sending us to Hell is ourselves – when we reject Jesus.

        • Kevin Quillen

          Jesus did not talk about Hell. He warned about the fires of Gehenna. Research the origin of the belief in eternal punishment.

    • robbankz

      disqus_ZZYOliQRNr yes

  • Ray

    I wonder what happened on that date. Any homosexual pride parades? Anyone in government do anything against Israel? Anyone advance abortion? Just wondering because of something I heard on Sid Roth’s “It’s Supernatural.”

    • Kevin Quillen

      Gotta laugh. It’s Supernatural! Really!! What a joke. Book seller program.

      • Patmos

        All this time you wasted spamming in ignorance you could have actually used for something useful, like getting over yourself.

      • Ray

        One day you will weep.

  • Kevin Quillen

    “Nor was Jerusalem in 70AD prophecized by Christ himself”
    You are kidding…..right? The central theme of both the old and new testaments was the end of the old covenant and the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD, and the coming of Christ in judgment on the Jews. It is history. There is NO mention of the end of the physical world or the end of time anywhere in the Bible!!

    • Patmos

      2nd Peter says hi. It’s right there in this very article. Check it out when you’re done trolling.

      • Kevin Quillen

        research the word “elements” in 2 Peter and Gal. Surprise! It is the “LAW” that burns up! I do not troll. I am spreading truth. Truth that most do not know. Truth that most want to keep hidden. Cannot build empires off of truth. Cannot sell many books. Cannot collect tithes. Cannot be a big time spiritual leader if the common man finds truth. Continue to follow falsehood if you wish. But truth is available to those who desire it.

    • 4Chastity

      “Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words shall never pass away”! Due to your comments on this site, I now truly understand why Jesus tells/admonisches us to be like little children in accepting what HE teaches us about believing! If it’s ok whith you, I’d like to include you in my daily prayers & Holy Rosaries.

      • Kevin Quillen

        please research references to “heaven and earth” in the old testament. we get our understanding of the new from the old. Physical earth will never pass away. or heaven.

    • davidrev1911

      “The central theme of both the old and new testaments was the end of the old covenant and the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD, and the coming of Christ in judgment on the Jews. It is history.”

      ● ● ●

      Kevin, “God is not the author of confusion”; however, proponents of that quirky eschatological position called “Full-Preterism” surely are, so clearly in view by their tried-and-true method of “twisting and distorting” Holy Scripture.

      ● ● ●

      And please notice vv. 35-37 in Jer. 31 below – “historical truths” of which are empirically valid even as I write this; i.e., the Jewish people still “physically” thriving as a nation in their “everlasting possession” called the Promised Land. [See: Gen. 13:14-17; 15:17-21]

      Tragically though, many modern-day Jewish people are still mistakenly awaiting the glorious arrival of an earthly “Messiah Ben David”; as the current Sanhedrin still seems to manifest the need, or displays that inward sense-of-urgency to perhaps build a “third Temple” in Jerusalem, according to the inerrant Word of biblical prophecy. (e.g., Zechariah chapters 12-thru-14; see also Zech. 6:11-15 & 8:20-23)

      ● ● ●

      It is written:

      “Behold, the days are coming, declares the Lord, when I will make a NEW covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, NOT like the [MOSAIC] Covenant that I made with their fathers on the day when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, my covenant that they broke, though I was their husband, declares the Lord.”

      “For this is the [NEW] covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my law within them, and I will write it on their hearts. And I will be their God, and they shall be my people. And no longer shall each one teach his neighbor and each his brother, saying, ‘Know the Lord,’ for they shall all know me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the Lord . For I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.”

      “Thus says the Lord, who gives the sun for light by day and the fixed order of the moon and the stars for light by night, who stirs up the sea so that its waves roar— the Lord of hosts is his name:“ If this fixed order departs from before me, declares the Lord, then shall the offspring of Israel cease from being a nation before me forever.”

      “Thus says the Lord: “If the heavens above can be measured, and the foundations of the earth below can be explored, then I will cast off all the offspring of Israel for all that they have done, declares the Lord.” (Jeremiah 31:31-37/ESV – emphasis mine)

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      You also erroneously said: “There is NO mention of the end of the physical world or the end of time anywhere in the Bible!!”

      Yet Revelation 20:11 makes the same clear reference to an entirely NEW created order in the process of taking place both supernaturally, and perhaps chronologically [e.g., Greek “chronos” = earthbound clocktime]; whose reference one finds strategically situated between the eternal judgment being passed upon the devil himself, or “dragon, the beast and the false prophet,” [20:10], and the blatantly obvious implications within Rev. 21:1-4.

      And those parallel confirming texts for Rev. 20:11, are found in 2 Peter 3:10-13; plus Isaiah 65:17-25 & 66:18-24, contra your typically strained and/or forced interpretations [or “eisegesis”] of the otherwise plain meaning found within the text of Holy Writ.

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      “Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat upon it, from whose presence earth and heaven fled away, and no place was found for them.” (Rev. 20:11)

      • Kevin Quillen

        big problem for the Jews……at the burning of the temple in 70AD the genealogical records were burned. How are they going to have a valid high priest? Soon if not already, 1948 and the generation that saw the rebirth of Israel, will be proven false by time passing. Then what?

        • davidrev1911

          Why do you insist on perpetuating these factually inaccurate tales Kevin? First off, Israel has had a “valid High Priest” since 2016, Rabbi Baruch Kahane.

          And secondly, your “Ripley’s Believe it Or Not” tale regarding ALL those Jewish genealogical records being incinerated during the 2nd Temple’s destruction, is equivalent to another modern-day tall-tale!

          You’re always telling others’ to study, research etc. these Preterist notions; yet it’s high-time you applied this rule to your own theological interests.

          So you might consider locating a brief article on the website “Outreach Judaism,” operated by Orthodox Rabbi Tovia Singer, called “Jewish Genealogy”; particularly because Rabbi Singer’s family has a “Sefer Yuchsin,” whose millennia-old content has “carefully recorded every male between Rabbi Singer, and Aaron the High Priest.” And I’m sure you remember that Aaron was Moses’ brother.

          There’s also an enlightening, though exhaustive article on what’s called the Online Journal, entitled ‘The Reliability of Genealogical Research, in Modern Rabbinic Literature’, by Rabbi Meir Wunder. This just might broaden your current insights in this area? Just sayin’!

          • Kevin Quillen

            even if there is a high priest……would God accept an animal sacrifice? Would it not be an insult to Christ?

      • Kevin Quillen

        you obviously do not understand what the new heaven and new earth is. study the references to them in the old testament to understand the new. Hint….. stoicheion, used in both 2 Pet and Gal.

        • davidrev1911

          Well let’s evaluate your bizarre take on that, by applying some mathematical precision unique to the scientific facts foundational to astronomy & physics.

          And I’m referring to the 21st-century understanding physicists’ have acquired of this universe’s “finely-tuned” mathematical “constants and quantities in the laws of chemistry and physics” – plus the “laws of nature”; all of which currently describe what Yahweh has established throughout this universe by His omnipotent Word.

          Now, the New Jerusalem [Rev. 21:9-21] “descending out of heaven from God” [21:10] is clearly described as a three-dimensional perfect cube, whose measurements amount to roughly 1,380 miles for all three dimensions – or some two-million square miles.

          Yet according to the current known laws of physics, and nature’s laws which describe this ONE-AND-ONLY universe in which we’re residing – namely gravity, the strong & weak nuclear force, and electromagnetism – “ANY physical three-dimensional cube larger than 300-miles,” would and/or will literally “collapse into a sphere.” Hmmm…

          Thus the powerful scientific “inference to the best explanation” [or IBE], being that this event in Revelation 21 couldn’t possibly take place within this “old” created order. Must be something NEW, wonderful, and mind-bogglingly incredible that’s going to happen in this still yet-future, “new heaven and new earth” context? What say you??? For “God is not a man that he should lie…” (Numbers 23:19)

          And “Facts are [indeed] stubborn things…”

          • Kevin Quillen

            you really believe there is a giant city floating in space that will someday come down to earth!?
            Hint….1 Peter 2:5, Rev 3:12, and Rev 21:2. Who was the “bride”? answer….Christians. Christians who are now….the wife. The city is the CHURCH! Hebrews 9:11

          • davidrev1911

            “Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth passed away, and there is no longer any sea. AND I SAW THE HOLY CITY, NEW JERUSALEM, COMING DOWN OUT OF HEAVEN FROM GOD, made ready as a bride adorned for her husband.” (Revelation 21:1-2/NASB)

            Now, what part of that capitalized portion do you not understand Kevin – let alone the plain meaning of the first verse? Remember: I’ve learned to interpret Holy Scripture through and by employing the consistent hermeneutic of a normal, literal, historical, grammatical approach – unless the context demands otherwise.

            Preterist proponents however, are famous for using the bizarre method of “hermeneutical gymnastics” when it comes to interpretation – except when employing a literal hermeneutic by using those favorite “time texts” whenever convenient – so as to maintain that necessary 70 AD terminus ad quem. Otherwise, they’ll often impose upon the text some really imaginative ideas – aka using the personal, “eisegetical” approach to biblical studies.

            Case in point: the outrageous Preterist notion that the events mentioned throughout Zechariah chapter 14 [esp. v. 4] – whose future historical context, according to reputable scholarship, begins in chap. 12 – are actually occurrences associated with the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 C.E. What?

            And this is exactly what James B. stated to me a couple days back. That’s about one of the more irresponsible claims associated with biblical studies, I think I’ve ever encountered. Just give us the evidence for this!

            Yet even Mr. Preston himself couldn’t possibly locate ANY credible ancient historical and/or current historiographical authorities [i.e., like Josephus, other rabbinical sources etc.], in order to reconcile past historical 70 AD events – with the plain meaning of the occurrences found in Zech. 14:1-21. These things have NEVER taken place Kevin. And that’s just one area of [70 AD-committed] Full Preterist eschatology that literally takes-the-cake!

          • davidrev1911

            “Do not let your heart be troubled; believe in God, believe also in Me. (2) In My Father’s house are many dwelling places; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you. (3) If I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself, that where I am, there you may be also.” (John 14:1-3/NASB)

            The Lord Yeshua sure doesn’t sound like he’s referring to the living “spiritual” organism called the “ekklesia” [or church ] in this time-space-dimension context either? What say you??

            Yet the Scriptures clearly refer to the “spiritual” New Covenant church, as “God’s house” [“habitation” and/or “dwelling place”] in several places in the NT. So this Rev. 21 New Jerusalem structure must be something radically NEW, based upon Jesus’ words – because it’s the eternal dwelling place of the [then married] “wife of the Lamb.” (IMO, of course.)

            (And I’m not sure if “time” as we know & experience it in this universe, will have passed-away during “God’s making everything new” – i.e., in the “new heavens and new earth” dimensions one sees in Rev. 21 & 22?)

  • Kevin Quillen

    it all makes sense if you understand Preterism and Universal Reconciliation. Study it.

  • Ray

    That too. So you do believe in a loving God.

  • davidrev1911

    That’s because you lack the necessary “eyes to see, and ears to hear, what the Ruach Elohim is saying to you.”

    And that’s a self-imposed, potentially self-destructive path down which one chooses to travel – aka utilizing one’s free-will in the process. Plus it requires profound humility, in order to acquire the only help that’s available to we rational/moral, defiantly autonomous, specially-created spirit creatures called Homo sapiens. Happy New Year from Florida!

  • Rick

    Nowhere in scripture does it say that God is “all-loving”. It does say he is loving, but it also says he is other things as well: just but merciful on the contrite, almighty God, holy holy holy, and that he will by no means excuse him who blasphemes His holy name.

    I suspect what you really mean by “I don’t see …” is “how God could DARE to judge me; who does He think He is?” So let me explain it to you: he is the one who created you, who gave you life, and who will take life back from you again. You dare to judge God as immoral for “killing billions”, when it was God who gave life to begin with? If you or I were to do so, then yes that would be immoral, for we would be taking that which does not belong to us. But we are NOT God, and when God takes the lives of billions he will only be taking that which was His all along.

    In short, you do not own your life. The Lord giveth, and the Lord taketh away. Blessed be the name of the Lord.

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