The Spiritual Dangers of a Trump Presidency

US Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump speaks during a rally May 5, 2016 in Charleston, West Virginia.

By David Marshall Published on May 16, 2016

For Christians rightly repelled by the candidacies of Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders, with their unapologetic embrace of the culture of death, same-sex marriage and a host of other cultural ills, the questions is, should we take a best-of-a-bad-lot approach with presumptive Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump? You may think you’ve already heard all the arguments against voting for Trump. But if you’re a believer in Jesus Christ, there is one little-discussed hazard of a Trump presidency that may be even more critical than weaknesses in the man’s proposals or even character per se: namely, the message we deliver as Christians to the skeptical world around us, if we support Trump.

Christians worship God alone. We honor His holy love. We echo Jesus’ words about repentance of sin. For Christians, what we are is inexplicably linked to how we treat those around us. “By their fruits you will know them,” said Jesus. James asked, “Can a mouth which curses man praise God?”

What fruit do we see in Donald Trump’s life, and what kind of language do we hear from his mouth?

Trump is willing, when asked, to mumble a few obligatory words of “support” for the Almighty. He has been seen to wave a Bible and claim (without ducking lightning bolts) to have read it “more than anyone.”

Yet from that same mouth, at far greater volume, pours an endless stream of crudities: “crazy,” “liar,” “bimbo,” “spoiled brat without a functioning brain,” “look at that face! I mean, she’s a woman, and I’m not supposed to say bad things, but really, folks, come on! Are we serious?” “coming out of her — whatever.”

A good insult can feel satisfying; Shakespeare used them to great effect. Trump is no Shakespeare, however. His insults remind us more of the vocabulary-challenged bully wadding up spitballs in the back of Mrs. Compton’s seventh-grade Health class. Surely with 320 million Americans, if we want an Insulter-in-Chief, we could do better!

And even more surely, if we Christians forget our standards, non-Christians will remember them. If we support a man whose mouth spews so much bile, who boasts of doing everything he could to harm the career of a woman he fired, and even gloats over her divorce (“kick them in the teeth!”) why should they respect the Lord’s Prayer when we loudly pray on Sunday morning, “Forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us”?

Why should any non-believer take the Christian faith seriously, if members in good standing of that faith support a man so unabashedly cruel, vile, vengeful and dishonest, who repudiates everything the name of Christ stands for? One could almost wonder, based on some of Trump’s statements, whether he has on his Bucket List to break each of the Ten Commandments and get away with it, and that he’s gunning for president so that, with an assist from the Marines, he can legally cross the last one off his list: “Thou shalt not commit murder.”

The Church faces grave spiritual danger when it publicly supports evil. Two contributors to my 2012 anthology, Faith Seeking Understanding, Philip Yancey and Bill Prevette, had been pushed away from the Gospel by the poor example racist Christians set in the South where they grew up. Both re-converted to Christianity when they saw the full truth of the gospel.

Of course racism and slavery are antithetical to the way of Christ. William Wilberforce understood this when he campaigned for the end of the slave trade in Britain, based on biblical principles. He was not the first. The example of Jesus provided the impetus for great reformers who began to better the conditions of slaves beginning in the earliest days of Christianity. By the early Middle Ages, slavery was almost absent from swaths of Western Europe. The abolition movement was birthed in the gospels, and changed the world for the better.

From the beginning the Bible emphasizes that we’re all created in God’s image, and the New Testament makes clear that all nations and races are equally worthy and equally loved by God. But by compromising their faith for cultural pride, racist Christians harmed the name of Christ in the eyes of the world.

Do we now want to make a similar mistake? Do we want to associate ourselves — and thereby the name of Christ — with someone so shamelessly, unrepentantly cruel, profligate, and contemptuous of truth as Donald Trump?

Christianity played a major part in bringing about the Geneva Conventions. That’s a fact known by very few (thanks to the anti-Christian prejudice of the public education system). Many will remember, however, if we vote for a man who wishes to repudiate the letter and spirit of Geneva (“Go for the jugular so that those watching will not screw with you”). The media will make sure everyone gets the word on where we stood on that.

When much of the “evangelical vote” in some Republican primaries goes to a man so palpably misaligned with the character of the man we call “Savior,” it tells the world we’re not serious about holiness, or even minimal standards of civic decency. It sends the message that for us, the end justifies the means. It supports the world’s belief that hatred is a Christian value after all.

Jesus told us, “Let your light so shine before men that they may see your good works, and glorify your father who is in heaven.” What will our record after this election be? Will those around us, instead of glorifying God as Jesus said, instead exclaim,

How foolish these Christians behave! Here’s a man with a long record of justifying his reprobate lifestyle, yet waves a Bible in public and calls himself a Presbyterian, and these suckers lap it up. So much for being “wise as serpents, harmless as doves!” These believers are gullible as lemmings, choosing a snake for their leader.

Consider by contrast what can still happen, even after Trump’s last viable Republican opponent has left the race, if Christians take a principled and consistent stand for what even the world recognizes as higher standards.

Of course one may agree with what Trump says about immigration, or his robust approach to national defense. Still, what stays with us about leaders, above their policies, is character: the dignity of George Washington, the courage of Abraham Lincoln, the revolutionary kindness of our Lord. If we oppose so dishonest, ruthless and self-idolatrous a leader, our principled stand against him may serve as an opening for the Gospel to those who like Jesus but are repelled (as most Americans say they are) by Trump’s verbal crudities and cruelties.

In sum, the present election cycle may serve, in part, as a plebiscite on American conservative Christianity in the sight of the world. Do we believe our own message? Are the virtues taught and modeled by Jesus, is the call of the prophets to love rather than exploit those on the margins, and to practice kindness, purity and humility, relevant to America as a nation?

If we Christians help elect a self-regarding narcissist, a cruel, dishonest libertine who spews venom at reporters and competitors alike, American Christianity will rightly be weighed and found wanting in the sight of the world.

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  • The Bechtloff

    Trump called a woman a bimbo so you should instead allow a woman who has covered up for her husband’s rapes to become President. Because those are the two choices whether you like them or not.
    I’m guessing David never served in the military, or even just worked construction, anything where he was around real men and exposed to locker room talk or he wouldn’t be clutching his pearls like a little old church lady. I’m not electing a pastor I’m electing a President.
    You’re concerned about how the outside world sees the church? Well maybe if there was a bit of masculinity, of the kind Trump represents (at least in a raw unsanctified form) then maybe young men wouldn’t be avoiding the church like the plague.
    But I’m likely wasting my keystrokes here. David is clearly yet another low-T male that makes up the so called leadership of the increasingly feminized Evangelical culture.

    • David Marshall

      On the contrary, Bechtloff, my father was a General Contractor and I grew up in construction. He was also a “real man” who never felt the need to curse, deride others, sabatoge former employees, sleep with other mens’ wives, promise to torture enemies and kill civilians (he served in the army), throw hissy fits whenever someone asked him a tough question. He was a real man, a gentleman, a man of truth and honor, whom I found reading the Bible with his wife every morning at six, and who lived out that Gospel by loving all those around him.

      The greatest presidents, who won independence, kept the Union together, defeated the Nazis and the Communists, were also gentlemen, men of character not megalomaniacs who feel the need to brag about themselves all the time, who never stooped to Trump’s sub-juvenile tactics.

      I do not see Donald Trump as a strong man, Bechtloff. I see him as a coward and weakling, who bullies, lies, sleeps around, roars, and thumps the table because he hasn’t got a clue what it means to be a real man — yes, like Jesus Christ, the greatest and strongest man who ever lived. Please do read The Trump Bible (or better yet, the original, which also has a lot to say about selfish, megalomanical “leaders” like Donald Trump), and get your head on straight, sir.

      • MS Leavelle

        Lincoln was a megalomaniac David. If a “Union” has to be preserved by starting a war that killed 600,000 people, it isn’t worth preserving. Let the secession proceed undisturbed.

    • Michael Ellis

      Bechtloff: you’re a real fool if you think the definition of masculinity is high-testosterone “locker room talk” and is limited to military members or construction workers. A real man (of any occupation) is one who fears God, follows the Lord only, and attempts to be Christ-like in every word and deed.

  • Noneya

    Well said. We can’t condone this behavior even in the slightest.

  • Puddleglumm

    Great points. Christian pastors/writers Max Lucado, Michael Brown, Al Mohler, and others have addressed this as well. My only quandary is what do we do if we don’t want to vote for Trump? Clinton is NOT a choice nor is Sanders if somehow he gets the nomination rather than Hillary Clinton.

  • laf

    I enjoyed and agree with this article, but at this point it is mute. Had Christians stood up and voted for a Christian nominee then discussing this would be fruitful, but as it stands we have two choices, Trump or Clinton. The way I see it, bashing Trump now only gives Clinton more ammo and she certainly doesn’t need that, he gives her enough all by himself.

    • Jude Miller

      Selection of our nominee by delegates to the convention is decidedly NOT a moot point! Consult Curly Haugland’s analysis of delegate rules and processes and related SCOTUS decisions. Delegates can abstain on first ballot and then vote their conscience despite the misconceptions being pushed by media and elites! If Christians will wise up and then stand up, this whole debacle can be turned around. Let us see whether the Church is full of Bible believers who want to be a light or secular sheeple who want to be a part of the newest reality show!

      • Robert Jones

        If he gets 1237 before the convention there is no contested convention he is the nominee.

  • Frank

    I suggest all who are without sin, cast the first vote. For a practical matter, we already have a savior, His name is Jesus! I have seen too many naive writers portray a false equivalency, just as Satan did in the garden, which gives naive believers an excuse to stop thinking, playing directly into HRC game book. Trump is no perfect man, and neither is any person reading this. Stop judging him as a pastor or savior and compare him to Hillary & Bernie. HRC is unable to tell the truth and Bernie doesn’t have a sound financial thinking cell in his being. Trump is 1000x better for USA than any liberal. Look at the opaque names that have commented.

    • David Marshall

      Trump is no better, perhaps worse, in those regards. I deal with all these objections in The Trump Bible. The Bible has a LOT to say about people like Trump, and the harm they do in political leadership.

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  • Chairbrogmc

    I understand and agree with your points, but I don’t agree with your conclusion. It is too late for another route. This is an election for a government office. Our duty is to vote for the candidate that best supports our Christian values, interests and concerns. At this point the only candidate remaining that does is Trump. If we try to get another Republican or a third party candidate in the mix now, or if we don’t vote at all, it will only divide and weaken us, which means Clinton wins.

    • David Marshall

      Donald Trump is a repudiation of everything the Bible stands for, the polar opposite of Jesus Christ. Please do read The Trump Bible: Why No Christian Should Vote for Donald Trump — it’s only $2.99. I wrote it hoping to influence the primaries, rather too late for that unfortunately. But Clinton is no worse than Trump, and she would not have the impact I describe above — or the other unfortunate effects I describe in the book. If Christians stand up against these two horrible candidates, then a Third Party may have a chance this year — all he or she needs to do is win enough electoral votes to throw it into the House.

      • Gene Harris

        You seem to have placed deliberate sarcastic thought throughout which to me is unsettling you are going to find exactly what you are looking for every time with this approach. To prejudge and chastise without actual need you make your opinion nullified all by yourself. To me it comes to a very thin line and that line is going to be what good can come from this election as the other candidates have dropped out we are left with slim picking. I do not totally trust the media and have seen to many instances of the media cherry picking what they report and so to fall on that blade would be wrong. A person at face value is a fair start but then you also need to have actual history which Mr. Trump clearly lacks in the direct public view other candidate being career politicians have plenty of skeletons to look at. As we see what they have already done and what they are saying and doing gives us a better feel for who to vote for then trying to place ourselves in time gone by with Washington and Lincoln which by some historic accounts are not the best of people either but that is just grasping for understanding. if you are really trying to look for some good it can be found. First off if you actually think he is so reprehensible that the thought of him being in a position of leadership scare you consider running on your own merits and think about how far that is going to get you down the political path. He has shown the Moral Courage to put himself out there and is attempting something that no others have. He has actually made a viable option against those that have all but removed Religious affiliation from our government. He may not be the next Jesus Christ or savior of the world but he is trying to save what we as Christians want most the ability to practice religious beliefs without fear of repercussion from the government. So by his actions he has shown more then any other. It is also my belief that he is not and does not want to be a god. He just wants to get common scene back on track. One can write many articles about another with little actual knowledge of another but that is Judging and in and by its self is wrong. I do not Support Sanders Socialist view of the world as it reaks of another time in history and lead to world problems of historic proportions. I do not Support Clinton as what she has done and will continue to do is wrong by any religious standards and is going to hurt the Religious communities worse that what they have already been hurt. I do not approve of the way Trump has handled himself in his bid for the Presidency but he was at leastwilling to stand up and say what other have been saying from hushed mouths. I for one am willing to give him a fair chance.

        • Gene Harris

          In Rereading this article you point to the fact that the world will look at his support by Christians as a bad thing but you have failed to point out that as a God fearing Nation we have Elected by Biblical standards far worse people. So trying to tie just Trump into the list of failed people elected by a Christian Nation is a misnomer. As for your remarks about the Geneva Convention as Christians and followers of the Bible you have failed to point out the fact that the Geneva Convention only applies to christian countries that made an agreement as to how to behave during declared acts of war. It boggles the mind that by tying religion into the Political structure somehow we are supposed to expect that everything will become holy. But even in the Bible there is references to an Eye For an Eye. Which comes from the old testament and was later turned to Turn the other cheek . We have the 10 Commandments and to be 100 % Honest i couldn’t name anyone other the Jesus that has followed them to the letter. In later posts you Reefer to the Trump Bible which as far as i know of can’t found he never wrote one so that must be referencing something that was written by someone else and attributed to him. He has said that his favorite verse is an eye for an eye which would be fitting for a politician as they are not of the best of characteristic to begin with as even Jesus had to drive the money collectors from the church. which brings up another interesting point if the money collectors were such a big problem during the life of Jesus why are so many churches so big on their tithes? i suppose that is another one of those double standards in the bible. The bible has a lot to say about trusting others as well. when in Rome do as the Romans do.. ..Blend in. For someone who claims to have had such an adventures life with you father who was a general contractor and protecting the prostitutes in Taiwan claim of a Hard Steadfast belief of Christian Value and opposes one person so badly it makes me wonder just who would Jesus pick out of this lot? After all he gives us blessing when we least expect them

          • gramma_d

            Ted Cruz was the best man for Christians to choose. He has a record of doing what he said he would do. He also argued before the Supreme Court and won cases where he stood up to the UN, World Court and even George W. over the sovereignty of the US. He fought for the 2nd. Amendment and won. He knows the Constitution inside and out, which I might add, Trump does not even have a clue what’s in it let alone read it. Do you really want to trust a man as president that has not even read the Constitution? We’ve had Obama for almost 8 years who went against almost everything that is in the Constitution. Trump has shown over and over again that he has no respect for those that do not agree with him. In fact, he wants to stop people who disagree with him. But as far as Christian values, he has none. His actions speak loud and clear what kind of a man he is. We should have learned from the past 8 years that character matters. Trump is out for number one and that is himself.

    • Jude Miller

      Not too late if Christians will get real and pressure RNC delegates before the convention; no legality forcing them to vote first ballot and SCOTUS has upheld their right to vote their conscience!

  • Frank

    David Marshall is an adolescent that has no business in a commentary, all criticism and no solution. A judge without understanding, an authority on the bible with no compassion. Check out the whole bible one day, not just the parts you like that make you righteous. Have you ever read about the King that opened the door for NEHEMIAH? Might want to read about him. It makes me sick having to write this to the person with a microphone that is supposed to be represented Godly principle and truth. This is real life, you might as well be an MSNBC or CNN commentator. You would think you job is to promote thought, not try and settle it. Next you are going to say vote for Bernie. Count me unsubscribed to STREAM. All about making the author a name! Waste of my time!

    • Jude Miller

      Acknowledging that God can use the king of Persia, or any non-believer, does not justify a choice by Christians to promote one for their leader who denies the need for forgiveness and consistently demonstrates the opposite of fruits listed in Galatians. If you think that “real life” situations do not require us to uphold Christian values as much as possible, then you have indeed been wasting your time on The Stream. By the way, you do know that legally the RNC delegates are not required to nominate DJT despite the stuff the media and establishment elites are putting out?

  • Kandi

    Well, I for one, agree with you 100%, David. It’s not “judgmental” or “casting stones” to hold professed Christian brothers and sisters accountable. We are SUPPOSED to do that. No one expects a Christian to be perfect but there should be some identifying character trait that points to Jesus….and Donald Trump has NONE that I can see. He denies even needing forgiveness which is essentially denying his need for Jesus and His atoning death on the cross, which is essentially admitting that he is not a believer. And, no, I’m not looking for a “Pastor in Chief” but if you profess to be a Christian, again, there should be some fruit. It’s amazing the excuses people make and the contortions they go through to continue to back this man. I won’t vote for him (no I’m not a #nevertrump, I simply refuse to vote for a blatant liar that has not one ounce of integrity or character, regardless of whether or not he is a believer and on top of that is completely unqualified for the position of leading the free world) At the same time I will not take any responsibility when another candidate beats him in the general election. I’ll go with Charles Spurgeon “Of two evils, choose neither”. I made my decision and did my civic duty during the NC primary and I’ll be able to sleep at night knowing my choice was made after prayerful consideration. All that being said, I have left the Republican party. I am now Libertarian.

  • Robert Silvis

    But, if we MUST choose between Trump or Hillary. He’s still the best choice. If we choose her, it’s not just a bad message to the world, it’s the destruction of the Constitution, and our Republic.

    • Lori Prall Jeffries

      The lie is believing that they are the ONLY choices. Until we begin to challenge that lie, it will never change.

      • WBHobbs

        There are the choices you have now.

        One choice is Trump who just announced excellent Justices for the Supreme Court… A vote here could set us up to save millions of lives. As we speak he has a 45% chance of winning.

        A second choice is Hillary. She will pick justices who will with 100% certainty make certain that for 20 years of so millions of children will die, you will pay for their deaths with your taxes. She stands about a 55% chance of winning at the moment.

        There are several other third party candidates. Collectively they stand no meaningful chance of winning.

        You can try to save millions of kids or you can agree to let them die for certain.

        Find a great Christian candidate and run that candidate as a Republican… In the mean time, make certain that we don’t bankrupt our nation and end up with a permanent socialist state…

    • D 4

      You do know that Trump will not or has not stood up for the entire Constitution and Bill of Rights, don’t you??? He’s spewed his vews of changing the 1st through 5th Amendments. This is not a Republican Conservative stance..he is not running on the Republican platform at all? There are more Democrats and Independents voting on the Republican ticket who are NOT Republican’s at all. They are here to implode our party. Period.

  • Brian Mills

    These type of blogs are stupid. You have a man that labels himself a socialist who wants to blatantly rob you, a pathological liar with blood on her hands who won’t ever admit she has ever lied, and you have an egotistical business man who speaks before he thinks and who has always acted in his best interests. My question is do you know the heart of any of these three candidates? Neither do I. I’m voting on the issues, crossing my fingers, and saying my prayers for the leadership of this country. The truth is elections are always a compromise for me. I will vote according to the one that is most in line with my worldview, however, to say that I’m a bad witness for the Kingdom of God because I may or may not vote for a certain candidate is just silly. Jesus didn’t come to fix this kingdom he came to usher in a new one. Our witness won’t be made by the casting of our vote, it will be by the fruits we bear and the love we share. I don’t know the condition of the hearts of these 3 candidates, all I have to go on is the evidences that they manifest and the agendas that they push. I believe that Jesus is my Savior, and salvation is available to all. I believe in a small government, one that is there to protect and help those that can’t help themselves, free market capitalism, Biblical marriage between a man and a woman, and boys have a penis and girls have a vagina!

    • David Marshall

      I believe in all those things too, Brian. And I’m not condemning you for voting, if in the end you believe that is necessary, for Trump over H Clinton. (I wrote this still hoping for a serious Third Party run from a decent human being — and, before then, for a continued primary challenge.) Nor for Clinton over Trump. But as Christians, I do think “positions on the issues” should be less important than character. (If for no other reason, because people with bad character will lie about their positions.) As for knowing hearts, Jesus told us that “by their fruits you will know them.” Don’t we have enough evidence to know what kind of person we are proposing to give the nuclear codes too, here?

    • Nettie O’Steen Grooms

      You are right about Jesus not coming to “fix” things that are but offer something far better. But, I am reminded of the verse where Jesus said, “Do not fear the one who can kill the body, but fear the one who can destroy the body and the soul.” I paraphrase, but that and other words he spoke to believers made it clearly evident to me that we are not to put our hope, faith or trust in man at all. Nowhere in Scriptures have I found even an hint that we should pick the lesser of the evils in anything in this world or this life. So, what do we do, follow the instructions we are given through the Scriptures, or decide we need to “help” God do something He is more than capable of doing, without us?

  • Lori Prall Jeffries

    Thank you. I don’t think that a candidate must align completely with my Christian values, but when one so blatantly flaunts his disregard for my core values, I can not support that candidate.

  • David Marshall

    This is what I am teaching my young students to recognize as the “straw man” fallacy. Please reread the article.

  • WBHobbs

    This reminds me of the joke where a guy and his family are sitting on the roof of their home as flood waters rise toward them.

    The marines came by in a Humvee and offer to rescue them, the dad said “We are trusting in God to save us, we don’t need a bunch of Marines”…

    The waters rose more. The cost guard came by in a boat. The dad turned them down saying that God would rescue them, they didn’t need mortal men to save them.”

    The roof was almost covered when the Navy sent in a helicopter. Again the dad turned them away saying that they were confident that God himself and not flawed humans would save the family.

    They all drowned. The dad upon seeing God, asked Him why he did not save them. God replied “Three times I sent you help and you refused me. You failed to care for your family.” “Anyone who does not provide for their relatives, and especially for their own household, has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever.”

    • Kevin Wright

      How little you know of Heaven and Earth. In your little story, the family is in heaven. That is the ultimate rescue. You probably have very little of life’s experience to know this, so I will share with you the most important detail of life – all of life, is preparation for heaven. The goal of human life on Earth, is to arrive in Heaven. Heaven is the sweetest most wonderful place that can ever be sought, that can ever be imagined. Another day on Earth, is a penalty, when compared to an eternity in Heaven.
      Yes, your story is a joke. Please do not mislead people into believing that it is some sort of Christian moral teaching. Your story is a lie.

      • WBHobbs

        Context is important as I hope you understand.

        BTW, do you know me as well as you claim?

  • William A Palmer

    I find it peculiar that Christians judge a person when they know fully well that only God can judge and only God appoints leaders. It’s so easy to point your finger at an individual for their past deeds but yours are fine. Since you concentrate on their misdeeds you totally miss the charitableness of the individual. Only God knows a man’s heart. I know, you will know them by their fruits. Well, you have not given the whole story. This is deceit. Hypocrites!

    • David Marshall

      You misunderstand Jesus’ words about not judging, I think. He also told us, “By their fruits you will know them.” So clearly, he wanted us to evaluate people in some situations by the fruits of their lives. And even more clearly, the Bible repeatedly warns against people like Donald Trump in leadership. Jesus thus warns against “false prophets” who will “come in my name:” megalomaniacal leaders, in other words. The prophets often rebuke political leaders for their sins,and for leading their nation astray. The ability to hold political leaders to standards is what makes American democracy work, thanks to the influence of Christian thought. And how ironic, that you tell me I should not judge Trump for his admitted adulteries, chronic lying, obsessive self-praise, cruelty, and petty vengefulness, yet you conclude your post by calling me a “hypocrit?”

      So what happened to not judging? Physician, heal thyself.

      • William A Palmer

        You went through all this to try and convince me to believe a doctrine that is pushed down your throat. If you read my post, I am fully aware of Yeshua warning us that we will know them by their fruits. So by your accusations, Trump has done nothing but evil his entire life. You judge him without knowing the man except by the articles other people have written about him. But I’m sure you are absolutely perfect. Remove the speck from your eye. Only God can judge. Judge not, lest you be judged. You obviously become judge, jury, and hangman in this issue. The good things this man has done and wants to do mean absolutely nothing to you. Your mind is set in stone.

        • Kevin Wright

          In the scripture, in which Jesus pronounced the words “Judge not, lest ye be judged” the SITUATION, was that a woman was about to have her head pounded in with rocks. Some of the very men, picking up stones, had even enjoyed her adulterous pleasures. “To Judge” in that day, was to apply the Old Testament laws, that required heinous punishment. That is not the case here. If America chooses not to elect Trump for President, if the Republican Party refuses to nominate a reprobate for the Presidency, no one will pick up stones and bash in Trump’s head.

          • WBHobbs

            Check your reference. You may have mistakenly associated Christ’s words on Judgement with the adulterous woman story in John 8…

        • David Marshall

          William: You have already demonstrated your own lack of sincerity, by calling me a “hypocrit” for questioning Trump’s ethics, which is of course to question my ethics. Now you are just making things up — no, I did not say Trump has done nothing but evil, nor would I say that of Hitler or Stalin. Nor have I called myself “perfect” or praised myself in any way. Nor have I suggested “hanging” anybody — just not electing Donald Trump as president of the United States.

          Honesty, William. You need it, and you need it badly, and you need it soon.

    • Kevin Wright

      Miss the Charitableness of others? Are you saying that Trump has finally paid out the six million dollars to Veterans that he claimed he raised the night he dodged the Iowa debate? Wow, that is breaking news. As to judging others, why are you calling others, “hypocrites” when they are earnestly, in their own hearts, applying their faith to a real world situation, and choosing God, not a lying, slanderous, bribing, adulterous, boastful, character assassin? You are judging them too.
      If God appoints leaders, then why bother to vote?
      Only God knows a man’s heart? But men, know the hearts of other men, by their fruits. That is the lesson of the Bible. By that Standard, Trump is a rotten apple.

    • Markus Allen

      No Not them. Now Narcissistic Christians never judge. They just call it as “they” see it. Narcissistic christians will never admit they are narcissists. IT’s sorta a lie they live all of their lives and will never admit it. They are truly delusional to the fact. They will come after you in their own great holy way if you disagree with them, too!

    • HairyEyedWordBombThrower

      Show me your so-called ‘god’ exists before trying to use it as an excuse to attempt to control other people’s personal lives.

      • William A Palmer

        I doubt any explanation or physical proof will prove anything to you. When you pass from this world, you will see Him but it will be a sad meeting. Hopefully, He will show mercy on your soul. Good luck to you.

  • Foster

    HE states:”the Church faces grave spiritual danger when it publicly supports evil.” What we doing RIGHT NOW as our POTUS continues to legislate evil as good. At least the Donald doesn’t hide his character flaws. Yes, he’s a hard pill to swallow, but he is the only viable alternative to reverse the course of a far left progressive ideology run amuck!

    • Steve Hobbs

      Put not your trust in princes, nor in the son of man, in whom there is no help. – Psalm 146:3

      • Markus Allen

        How about following your heart if Jesus is in that heart, shouldn’t we trust our hearts?

        • Steve Hobbs

          No. “For the heart is more deceitful than all else and is desperately sick; Who can understand it?” Jeremiah 17:9.

          • Markus Allen

            That verse is referring to the heart of others pertaining to trust and how wicked one can be or become. I’m referring to my own heart within my own personal conviction. Are you seeing what I mean? What I am mentioning has nothing to do with that verse. You have to have christ in your “heart” to understand that verse. A persons heart and they themselves are not two entirely different beings…LOL Ok..i’m not going to trust my own heart. Ok..I know within my soul that I can see Trump was chosen. Is that better?

        • HairyEyedWordBombThrower

          Nope, you shouldn’t. Because it’s amazing to the rest of us how your ‘jesus’ seems to hate all the same things you do.

    • D 4

      But Obama is not a factor anymore. Hillary and Trump are two sides of the same coin. One is as bad as the other. I won’t vote for the lesser of two evils. Two wrongs do not make a right.

      • Markus Allen

        That is a new one. Hillary and Trump are two sides of the same coin…How so? Enquiring minds want to know!

    • HairyEyedWordBombThrower

      How is it ‘evil’ to tell you to keep your f**king nose out of other peoples’ intimate affairs?

      How is equality, and removing undeserved privilege ‘evil’?

  • Joanne Baudo Wendling

    I have been deeling the same way. How can I support someone who acts so cruel and ungodly? I am stumped by those that call themselves a born agian Christian and supports Trump. Where is their wisdom and discernment? BOGGLES MY MIND!

  • Stephanie

    Question…. how many I f you supported Romney 4 years ago? His religion believes Jesus and Satan are brothers. Just saying.

    • Kevin Wright

      The subtleties of a particular faith, are not germane to the office. It is clear, that Romney is a good man, with a good reputation. Trump is a boastful liar.

    • Stephanie

      Subtleties. I think not. Read Romans 3:9-26. No one is good. Is Romney a moral man? Maybe. But not good. Believing Jesus and Satan are equal is purely EVIL. So, Mr. Trump is kind of obnoxious in the way he says many things. God has used many a obnoxious mans to rule nations. If God chooses to use him who are you to say otherwise. Pray for HIs will not your own sensibilities.

      • HairyEyedWordBombThrower

        “The road to ‘hell’ is paved with good intentions”

        You’re at least hitchhiking there, if you haven’t actually bought a bus ticket.

        • Stephanie

          I’m hitchhiking to he’ll? Nope, no way Jesus paid my way on the cross. I am set free, forgiven, redeemed, chosun, not worried one bit about hell.

  • Kevin Wright

    Trump, when asked if he had ever paid for an abortion, dodged the question. Trump needs a savior. The essence of Christian salvation, is to PUBLICLY confess your sins, and then accept Christ as your savior, in REPENTANCE. No Christian, who has ever come to the cross in contrition, would ever endorse “an eye for an eye,” as Trump has done.

    • Ken Darby

      So you want Hillary. Got it

      • David Marshall

        If you cared about keeping Clinton out of the White House, you should have done everything you could to stop Trump from hijacking the Republican Party. It’s probably too late, now.

        • Ken Darby

          1238

        • Markus Allen

          Oh he hijacked it? That’s new to me. How so? Do give us the rundown on the unprecedented strategy of his. Were there any hostages involved? You know who hijacked justice and the whole country? Take a guess.

          • HairyEyedWordBombThrower

            Trump used his undoubted TV skills & unwarranted popularity (The Apprentice was a hateful travesty if ever there was one; pure bread & circuses to please the masses’ baser instincts) to keep himself in the public eye.

            He also spoke bluntly the hate and contempt all of you have learned to keep hidden if you wish to be considered decent people, and in doing so, you believe he gave you the license to do the same. The rest of the (R) candidates spoke in dogwhistles while Trump was feeding you red meat.

            Next question?

  • D 4

    Thank you for putting into words what I have sensed in my spirit from the beginning. Research on Trump goes from bad to worse and I can only pray for those to have a 180 degree change from who and what they believe in. Trump represents the very nature of this secular world, and millions of us want better for our grandchildren. Trump is not the one to make things better. Ted Cruz has suspended his race…suspended does not mean he quit! I plan on voting for Ted in the General. Write his name in if his name does NOT appear on your ballot. Each state has different rules about “write-ins,” so find out what your state rules are. My state does not have a rule about write-in’s, but Ted Cruz name will be on my ballot and I plan on circling his name in. YOU CANNOT WRITE IN AND CIRCLE TED’S NAME ON THE BALLOT…this will void your ballot if you do. Can I tell you if Ted would win, but for me, it’s about Godly principle’s, and it’s about taking a stand for Constitutional Conservatism and all that it represents. It is ridiculous to say that a vote for Ted is a vote for Hillary…that logic does not apply here. We who are voting for Ted, know that “suspension” is taking a pause, not quitting. It’s regrouping of all his supporters and more. Please prayerfully consider looking in your your state rules 1 month before the General if you want to write Ted’s name in. Thank you.

    • Markus Allen

      You aren’t listening to God. You aren’t listening to anything but your own ego. Your ego is your worst enemy of yourself. It inhibits growth with Christ. Cruz Cruzified Trump. He was a overgrown baby. He betrayed the party he promised to support over being a dispicable sore loser…Can you not see that? A sore loser is not a man of his word. Wake up!

      • D 4

        Hahaha! I just caught this! LOL! You really are moronic aren’t you?! LOL! I admire Ted for having the cajonies to stand up and speak for LIBERTY and family, obviously, you wouldn’t, so there we have it! Ted will always have my support. You must be an alt-right child. Shame on you. You freaking racist hater! Get lost!

      • D 4

        You have your opinion, and you don’t even know me to judge me. I don’t have a big ego. Far from it! I am a born again Christian. and if you must know, God cannot act on the behalf of other’s against his own character. There’s perfect will and permissible will, and having either of them in the White House will be a punishment on this nation. Yes, God used horrible people in the Bible to teach us a lesson. BUT, those people had repented of their sins before God could use them. For example, Paul. From 1st and 2nd Timothy to 1 and 2nd Peter, we are living it as we speak. The only one who count’s here is Jesus Christ. I want and desire HIS will more than anything and no matter who is President, JESUS IS LORD! I’m not a sore loser either…what I am, and what you’re not accustomed to is what resolve looks like…I am resolved. Judge thine own self before you judge my heart. If you are my Christian brother, then you have the right to reprove or correct me, but if you have never received Jesus as your Savior, then you are not living after God’s true word…not the word found in other’s who can be called false prophets and teachers because they are fallible…but in Christ alone.

        • Markus Allen

          You are right and i apologize. It’s just frustrating that there are many shills on here and so many as myself included feel that i’m right. I’m sure you feel you are right. There are a lot of hateful people on here but I assure you i’m not really mean. I’ve been cussed at and all kinds of things and it’s a wicked place on here. It needs to stop.

        • Markus Allen

          I know what you mean about false prophets. I’m just pissed that so many ditch on Trump and believe the lies that the media is feeding people. I’d like to hope that you realize that Hillary Clinton cannot win. If she does, our country is finished.

          • HairyEyedWordBombThrower

            It’s not lies when the video and audio are out there, and the tax returns are out there, and the people he’s stiffed are out there, and the settlements for violating civil rights laws are out there.

            You just want power and will use any tool you can, no matter who it hurts.

        • Markus Allen

          I don’t know what you mean by one’s own heart is deceitful. I’m talking about me feeling what is in my heart. Yes trusting other’s hearts can be setting one’s self up with an individual that is a liar. I’m talking about me and my own feeling. What are you meaning regarding false prophets? Trump is NOT a false prophet. I am not regarding him as such.

          • HairyEyedWordBombThrower

            Hmmm, what’s that comment about the road to ‘hell’?

            That it’s paved with good intentions?

            I suspect that’s the road you’re on, from your posts here.

      • HairyEyedWordBombThrower

        Cruz actually espouses and tries to live by your rules.

        YOU are power-mad and hateful, and deserve nothing but scorn and derision.

  • Terry Mather

    Everyone says not to judge and God appoints leaders. This is true and what else is true is that God expects us to represent Him in this world. To share the good news of the gospel and love our neighbors as ourselves. We have drifted so far away from His original purpose and put our trust in ideas and men. We have brought ourselves to this despicable position we are in now. It’s time to stand for God and not be moved by what seems expedient. Mr.Trump can and will not bring us to that place.

    • HairyEyedWordBombThrower

      Hmmm, then why are you using computers and the Internet, both developed by atheists?

      Better still, why use electricity, mechanical machines, antibiotics, etc? ALL of those exist because we put our trust in ideas and people.

      I call you another sanctimonious hateful hypocrite.

  • Ken Darby

    On a positive note, most of you have probably not voted in 20 plus years because no one “Godly enough” was nominated.

    • David Marshall

      On the contrary, Ken, I have gladly voted for Republicans, and occasionally decent Democrats, when I could, since I proudly cast my first vote for Ronald Reagan in 1980. Please do read the Trump Bible, if you can’t see from above what I think the difference is — I’ll send you a Word copy for free, if you like.

      • Markus Allen

        Who were these alleged “decent” people? What is it with the Trump Bible? Perhaps DT is in the learning stages of being saved by Christ. Could we allow him this? Were you given your own time in Christ? Is there an age restriction? Perhaps he is experiencing an epiphany. It’s his business. If he wants to share it, he will. Is he required to?

        • Markus Allen

          God is a forgiving God. Let us forgive DT and pray for him. Lets stop searching for the dark side of others. Let’s tend to our own sins and leave it in God’s hands to take care of his sins. Is that fair? It’s not fair to God or Donald Trump. For YOU would feel the same way. Walk in another man’s shoes. He is in the right direction. I cannot say that for his opponent. It is obvious what path Hillary Clinton has taken. It’s a path of self destruction and she is going to take us with her. This is blatantly obvious.

          • HairyEyedWordBombThrower

            YOUR forgiveness doesn’t count, since he didn’t wrong YOU.

            As for your so-called ‘god’, I call that an excuse to meddle in other peoples’ lives out of a mad lust for secular power.

            Render unto Caesar and leave the rest of us alone.

    • Markus Allen

      I haven’t out of disgust. Not this year brother. I never judge any of them. I can tell they are part of that evil agenda. You see, when one has an honest heart and conscience, they can see through all of the lies and filth. This is the first time I have ever had a very spiritual awakening with a candidate. I’m NOT making this up!

  • Dave Nance

    Have to laugh at the outrage against Trump. Where was all this self righteousnous when Obama slithered into town selling Islam, Gay this and that. Letting perverts use the same bathrooms with our female family members? Turning a blind eye while Christians are killed?

    • David Marshall

      Self-righteous? I said nothing about myself. And I also opposed, and opposed, Barack Obama, vehemently. Let’s not substitute empty ad hominem for rational discussion, please.

    • HairyEyedWordBombThrower

      Have you ever heard of this thing called ‘consent’?

      President Obama is the president because the *people* of the US, *twice*, consented to him holding that office, at the ballot box.

      And everything you’ve mentioned involves letting people live their own lives without you getting to rule over them…so that’s all good, and you’re an insufferable busybody for a superstition.

  • LINDA

    As a Christian I am voting for Trump. I am not electing a pastor I am electing a President who I pray will do the right thing. I know Bernie and Hillary will not. I don’t have a problem with others but I want my beliefs to be as important as everyone else. Most evangelicals are voting for Trump because he is national not global. The others are all involved with the global economy and if we don’t get off the road President Obama has us on we will never be able too. All evangelicals need to vote and need to join in helping to bring this country back to where we are. all treated equally.

    • David Marshall

      How can you believe a man who constantly lies, nurses hatreds for years, defends the importance of personal revenge, commits adultery and brags about it, sets up strip clubs and casinos, never confesses sins to God, and speaks of himself with such megalomania, will “do the right thing?” He seldom has before. And yes, you are electing a pastor, as the Bible makes clear time and again — our leaders set the moral tone for our organizations, which is why the Bible speaks of kings “leading their people into sin.”

      • MS Leavelle

        I noticed my comment about Abraham Lincoln went unanswered by you David and is now rotting at the bottom of this comment section. So I will ask again: How can you claim that character is important and then praise Abraham Lincoln as one of our best presidents? He was exactly what you claim Trump is: a megomaniacal habitual liar. Awful character. FDR was the same way since you praise him too: He lied about wanting to keep America peaceful during the Second World War and when the Supreme Court found parts of the New Deal unconstitutional, he added extra Judges to the Court so they could be affirmed instead. Once again. No character. You must have been raised REALLY far North to express such an ignorant Yankee opinion about Lincoln.

        • Markus Allen

          Amen to that my friend! He seems to have been following the school text book version of Abe than the actual deep down sinful version of his biography.

        • HairyEyedWordBombThrower

          I see a claim. Show me evidence.

      • Markus Allen

        Is it your place to state anything he has done? Are you somehow gifted to know any or all of this information to be true? Could it not have been fabricated by the DNC? Are you endorsing this corrupt candidate of evil? That is proven. DT has not become POTUS even. How would you know? We will have to take a chance on anyone that is running wouldn’t we? I sure as hell don’t want to give Hillary Clinton any chances…she has proven herself.

        • HairyEyedWordBombThrower

          Hey dimbulb, IT’S ON VIDEO AND AUDIO!

          So you’re saying you’ll believe Trump over your own ‘lying’ eyes and ears, then?

    • HairyEyedWordBombThrower

      You’re a sanctimonious hypocritical Pharisee who cares nothing for your religion and everything for the power to force others to bend to your will. Mote/beam…get it?

  • Cecilia

    I am Christian and I am voting for Donald Trump. Last election many Christians didn’t vote and as a result NOW we have gay marriage , and many other crazy things ! If Christians don’t vote for Trump , they will give the vote to a democrat and that is really bad ! My brother and his friends are going to vote for Trump as well , and we are Latin- Americans!

    • Markus Allen

      That whatever he is- journalist/shill/idiot is just on here to diss on Trump.

      • HairyEyedWordBombThrower

        Nope. He’s calling you back to the ‘standard’ that your superstition imposes on those you don’t like.

        Think about it: If Hillary was a thrice-married women with 5 kids 3 different men, would you give her the same leeway? What if President Obama was a black man with 5 kids by 3 different wives?

    • HairyEyedWordBombThrower

      So your hateful superstition allows / compels you to control other peoples’ lives?

      You seem nice /sarc

  • Markus Allen

    For Christ Sake! He is running for POTUS. He is not running to be a pastor or such that you would like him to be. He has concrete justification for lashing back in defense of the lies that this trash media (you never mentioned) has made him look like to promote a criminal. Spewing out vermin? It was his response to stop the lies about him. If we dug a little deeper than you have Trump would we find any sin on your back? Like I’ve just stated, Trump is running for POTUS. He isn’t running for anything else that warrants any approval of yours. If God chooses Trump then that is HIS decision. IT’s not any place for anyone else to judge. BY the way….this is the first time in my life that I have had very divine and spiritual awakening to a candidate of the USA. If you could really feel God’s love you would feel the same was as millions of others have been feeling. Jesus walked with sinners, as we all are. He is not been a narcissistic evil person that you have described. The signs are all there that he has been chosen. Anyone that has gone up against him to attack have regretted it and ran and possibly destroyed their political career. Just the fact alone of him running has exposed the corrupt elections, the DNC’s fraud, and so many other things. Can you not see the evidence of God put right before your eyes? Can you not see the forest for the trees? Most never knew who George Soros was, but many do now.. It that a good thing? Trump meets the criteria for being chosen for the masses to elect. If he were some perfect saint of all good and harmony, it’s highly doubtful he would be where he is now. God is much smarter than you think. Stop judging!

    • Linda McQ

      So by your logic, does that mean God’s chosen hilary. Therefore Not our place to judge? The outcome will be God’s?

    • HairyEyedWordBombThrower

      Your hypocritical sanctimony is showing.

  • Markus Allen

    WOW that’s new to me. What is your secret source? CNN?

  • Victoria

    So who do you suggest to vote for if Christians don’t you have satans daughter for president!

    • HairyEyedWordBombThrower

      Which one would that be? Ivanka or Tiffany?

  • Comenius

    I’m a Christian and I am wholeheartedly voting for Donald Trump. The physical and moral danger of a Hillary Clinton presidency far, far outweighs anything Donald Trump could do. This is insanity, this anti Trump hysteria. Her stance on Muslim immigration alone, should disqualify her.

    • HairyEyedWordBombThrower

      Only if you’ve got a bad case of superstitious dread and a vicious compulsion to control other people.

      • Comenius

        I support Trump, not Hillary. Control? You mean like Hillary and her friends controlling the nominating process and shutting out Sanders supporters. Or corrupting the FBI and avoiding prosecution by destroying evidence? Run along, youngster.

  • Lambchopsuey

    “Culture of death”? Really?? Do you have any idea how much eyes roll and lips curl in contempt when people hear Christians saying such ridiculous things? Everything not-Christian just HAS to be insulted by you churchies, doesn’t it? Do you think we aren’t seeing and hearing this? Do you think we can’t tell how much you disdain and – yes – hate us simply because we won’t join you? You’re hammering the nails into your own coffin with your careless talk and hateful attitudes, which are only coming more out into the open with the Trump candidacy.

  • Mike+Ike

    Many so-called Christians have just ignored your wise plee.
    Only a truly humbled “born again” President Trump can prevent him acting out the worst fears of basically good people all over the world whether Christian or not.

    • David Marshall

      Thanks. But given two very bad options (as I see it), while I could vote for neither, I have no reason to question the faith of anyone who made a different choice. Let us hope and pray the fears you allude to are not realized.

  • Kelly Clover

    Sadly far too many Christians have been brainwashed into believing that Trump is the greatest thing since sliced bread. Church leaders such as Pat Robertson and Franklin Graham are a major part of the problem. There is nothing wrong with being against both major candidates for President. But to endorse a man who has such horrible ethics and even worse to declare that Trump was somehow specially anointed by God really takes the cake!

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