Since God Hates the Shedding of Innocent Blood, Can a Christian Vote for Hillary?

By Michael Brown Published on July 26, 2016

There are few sins God hates as much as shedding innocent blood, especially the blood of children. Seeing that Hillary Clinton is a radically pro-abortion candidate and seeing that the Democratic platform reinforces those radical views, can a Christian vote for Hillary in good conscience?

In Jeremiah 19, God explained why the people of Judah were about to go into exile: It was because they worshiped idols and because they “filled this place [speaking of Jerusalem] with the blood of the innocent. They have built the high places of Baal to burn their children in the fire as offerings to Baal — something I did not command or mention, nor did it enter my mind” (Jer. 19:4-5).

Because of these heinous sins, Jerusalem was destroyed and the Temple of Yahweh burned to the ground, with tens of thousands going into exile.

Does God hate the shedding of innocent blood any less today, especially when it is the blood of children? Listen again to Jeremiah: “They have built the high places of Topheth in the Valley of Ben Hinnom to burn their sons and daughters in the fire — something I did not command, nor did it enter my mind” (Jer. 7:31).

What, exactly, did this entail? Listen to this description from the medieval Jewish commentator Rashi, who explained that the high places of Topheth refer to the god “Molech, which was [made] of copper, and they would heat it up from underneath it with its hands spread out and heated. And they would place the child on his hands, and he would be burnt and moan, and the priests would beat drums so that the father should not hear his son’s voice and take pity.” What a horror!

Now stop for a moment and look at these images of aborted babies and ask yourself how the Lord must feel about the shedding of this innocent blood — the blood of innocent babies in the womb.

Can you, as a follower of Jesus, cast your vote for a candidate who supports this bloodshed? Can you vote for Hillary Clinton, one of the best friends Planned Parenthood has ever had?

Just look at the stark contrast between the RNC and DNC platforms on abortion.

As reported by LifeNews.com, “The proposed Democratic Party platform this year is more extreme than it has ever been, calling for taxpayer funding of abortion and a repeal of the Hyde Amendment. The Democratic Party platform already supports legalized abortion on demand for any reason up until birth.

“‘We will continue to oppose — and seek to overturn — federal and state laws and policies that impede a woman’s access to abortion, including by repealing the Hyde Amendment,’ it reads.”

In complete contrast, the RNC platform on abortion begins with: “Faithful to the ‘self-evident’ truths enshrined in the Declaration of Independence, we assert the sanctity of human life and affirm that the unborn child has a fundamental individual right to life which cannot be infringed.”

The platform supports “a human life amendment to the Constitution and endorse legislation to make clear that the Fourteenth Amendment’s protections apply to unborn children.” It opposes “using public revenues to promote or perform abortion or fund organizations which perform or advocate it and will not fund or subsidize health care which includes abortion coverage.”

It calls for appointing judges who will uphold these values, reaffirms its opposition to partial birth abortion, and salutes “the many States that have passed laws for informed consent, mandatory waiting periods prior to an abortion, and health-protective clinic regulation.”

Again, the difference between the two platforms could not be more extreme. It is literally the difference between death and life.

Let’s also remember that Hillary Clinton is hardly a pacifist who would avoid the shedding of blood in war (in contrast with allegedly war-mongering Republicans). And even so, there is a world of difference between going to war to defeat terrorism and killing a baby in the womb.

Some have argued that it doesn’t matter where a candidate stands on abortion since the laws never really change. After all, we’re told, after 20 years of Reagan, Bush and Bush, Roe v. Wade was still not overturned.

That’s true, but one reason is that we also had 16 years of Clinton and Obama. What would have happened if we had 36 years of presidents in the mold of Reagan? What if the progress made under a pro-life president wasn’t undone by a pro-abortion president? What if all presidential appointees to the Supreme Court were pro-life during the last 36 years? The answers are self-evident.

And let’s not minimize the progress that has been made in different states, including requiring women to view an ultrasound of their baby before aborting. Thank God for every life saved.

The bottom line is this: Can you look at pictures of aborted babies — such as baby Malachi — and read verses about God’s hatred of killing children and then vote for a candidate who aggressively defends a woman’s “right” to this bloodshed, even into the ninth month?

It’s one thing to be uncertain about voting for Trump (or other candidates). It’s another thing to vote for a radical, pro-abortion candidate like Hillary Clinton.

I, for one, do not see how you can look Jesus in the eye, look abortion in the eye, and vote for Hillary.

Only God is your Judge, and you and I will give ultimate account to Him. But if you’re a regular “pro-choice” voter, I urge you to reconsider your ways.

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  • The Seahorse

    Abortion (infanticide) is the lynch pin issue for any argument with a leftist.
    No matter how much they insist they are moral superiors – they always cringe at the “abortion issue”.
    I do not even call it abortion anymore – its called infanticide.
    If you can rationalize child murder, you can rationalize anything.
    Infanticide is also in the same vein as the rationalization for slavery.
    “Oh, I am personally against abortion, but I wouldn’t tell someone what they can do with their own body – after all, it isn’t a human being.” : “Oh, I wouldn’t own slaves, but if you own a slave you should be able to do whatever you want with them! – after all, they aren’t really human beings.”
    I believe it will be made illegal one day.

    • Linda Hunter

      Just live your God fearing life you are not accountable for other people s sins God will punish them.

      • Jim Soo

        Pol Pot, Hitler, Ho Chi Minh, etc would love you. Your simplistic thoughts are just so ….simple.

  • Paul Burgett

    We are all going to have to give account before God. I agree with Dr. Brown’s well-written article and urge everyone who confesses Jesus to consider soberly what Paul writes when he urges us to “work out our salvation with fear and trembling”. For if we cannot love the people who we can see (I challenge you to look at those pictures linked above), how can we love God whom we have not seen? Jesus said that if we love Him, we will keep his commands. We are not to commit murder, and the shedding of innocent blood not only defiles us, but even the land (see Genesis 4:10 and 2 Chronicles 7:14). I recently confronted a family member on this issue who responded by saying that the Bible is unclear as to the point of conception of life. Psalm 139, Jeremiah 1, and Luke 1 all clearly refute this claim, to name just three places where unborn life is shown to be not only relevant and acknowledged before God, but also precious in His sight.

    Are you tired of seeing our nation going down the drain? Let’s work together to stop shedding innocent blood! Listen to me, not voting for Hilary does not mean you must vote for Trump. You will not have to give account to either one of these people. You will, as will I, have to give account before God. As followers of Jesus we all need to seek the Lord earnestly for what He wants us to do in this election season… but it is clear that as children of God we can not support Hilary Clinton to lead our nation.

    • Linda Hunter

      God does not hold you responsible for other women ‘s abortions.

      • Chris Hicks

        He holds us responsible for our approval of the world’s view. James 4. “Friendship with the world is hatred towards God.” Choose who you will serve. Being lukewarm promises that you will be spewed from the presence of of Almighty God. No thank you!

      • Paul Burgett

        I would have to agree with Chris. We can see the devolution of society well described in Romans chapter 1. So yes I agree with you Linda in that I am not personally responsible for an abortion that takes place without my knowledge, participation, or consent, I definitely am responsible if I support someone who will ensure that the practice is promulgated throughout society as a whole.

      • Jim Soo

        Uh, if you do not stand up against evil…yes, he does.

  • Kris Webb

    I certainly won’t vote for Hillary, because she is pro-choice. But, despite his stated pro-life position, I would have a very difficult time voting for Trump, because he is such an awful candidate in so many other ways. And Libertarians, if I’m not mistaken, would take no position on abortion, which I’m not sure I can endorse. I could just not vote for anyone, which may be just like casting a vote for the winner, probably Hillary. SIGH.

    • fights

      It’s the first time since I’ve been able to vote that I’ve been very conflicted about who to vote for. Never Hillary but the I’ve been reluctantly been able to vote for Mitt and McCain. Trump is a different animal.

    • Jim Soo

      Johnson is pro choice/death.

  • Really

    Can’t vote for the one, and can’t trust the other.

    • Liz Litts

      If you don’t vote you are voting. If you won’t vote don’t complain about the outcome

      • Really

        Oh, okay. I get where you’re coming from. Unless I vote for the possibly may stand for pro-life candidate that you like, I’m not making the right choice. Voting third party. That’s my choice, my right, my faith in action.

  • davidrev17

    Rather interestingly, God has also mentioned “six” other sins (out of seven) in the
    Proverbs 6:16-19 pasage – of which He has emphatically identified as “an abomination” too!

    Yet at least three of those abominable “seven sins” (perhaps even four?) are, quite tragically, a characteristic feature in the behavior of people here in God Bless America’s “American Dream Churchianity” – of whom fill-the-pews of congregations on a regular basis?? Hmmm… So why all the deafening silence with regard to this horrendously evident hypocrisy on our part??

    Maybe it’s well past high-time, that the professing “corporate” people of God in this country, began to penetratingly consider (with focused prayer and fasting), thus put into practice, that highly neglected command the Lord Yeshua/Jesus gave us all in Matthew 7:1-5 – and NOT just verse one (1) either; whose typically out-of-context application & usage, by the way, has gained widespread currency by professing believers, unbelievers, and God-mocking atheists alike.

  • Su Denym

    As someone looking on from outside the States it seems to me that you are out of options then. If you won’t vote for Hilary due to supporting choice / infanticide then you can’t support Trump either for supporting ownership of guns – just observing the repeated number of mass slaughters and doing nothing to stop it puts him and the republicans on very shaky ground too. No one is innocent. But what do i know?

    • fights

      Your assessment makes as much sense as banning all cars because drunk drivers kill people.

      • Barbara Cueto

        Actually, no. The point, I believe, is that if you allow a drunk driver, who you know will likely kill someone, behind the wheel of a car, that bloodshed is on your hands.

        • fights

          Huh? what does that have to do with the price of tea in China? Makes no sense.

  • David Helton

    Its unfortunate that so far the Republican presidents have appointed supreme court justices who are more pro business than they are pro life. I don’t recall ever voting pro choice, so much as voting for helping the poor- something republicans seem to care very little about. However, the point in this article is well taken. I myself cannot in any good conscience vote for a candidate who is as pro-abortion as Hillary Clinton.

    • Carol Anthony Greenstone

      most republicans I know give generously to the local food bank, pregnancy aid center, and volunteer to shelter the homeless at our churches and synagogues

      • Mandy Gifford

        Well, and I also think that a good majority of ppl don’t see the distinction between “helping” the needy/poor meaning giving them opportunities to help THEMSELVES and just giving them a handout without expecting them to give anything in return. The Lord helps those who help themselves.

        • DGB

          What I see from most republicans is that in order to not help those who they choose to call lazy, they define a lazy person as anyone who needs help. Also, God never said he only helps those who help themselves. In fact, the Bible repeatedly talks about helping the poor without giving any conditions. The Bible repeatedly talks about people needing each other.

          • Jim Soo

            Republicans/Conservatives already do help out more than you. Look up the research. You do realize you’re not doing God’s work by voting to force other’s to be denied the fruit of their labor? Do it yourself. Yeh, you’re probably too lazy for that.

          • DGB

            Jim Soo- You obviously are a man of research so I am surprised you didn’t enlighten us with the facts. But…honestly…I really doubt you have done your research. I see from your many comments you are actually just a cranky old man who prefers to spout his self importance by making snide remarks. I see that most everyone just ignores your comments because it isn’t worth their time. I have wasted too much time already. I will now be one of those people.

        • David Helton

          The expression actually Jupiter helps those who help themselves, not the Lord. Its from Aesop’s fables and you won’t find it in the Bible anywhere. You won’t find that “teach a man to fish” business in there either.

        • kathy658

          Nowhere in the Bible does it say that God helps those who help themselves. Benjamin Franklin said that. The Bible is replete with stories of those who were homeless and laying in the street begging for scrapes from people. We are to be kind to the less fortunate. Although the Bible does say that if you don’t work you don’t eat and that a man is worse than a heretic if he doesn’t take care of his family. We should always use discernment when helping anyone out. Just saying. Only God knows who is a layabout and who is really in need b/c of health related problems, i.e. mental or physical ones. Love.

          • Jim Soo

            You’re supposed to help …not make someone else help somebody else through your vote/taxation/government handouts.

  • gladys whipple hurtis

    If I had to vote on one point only it would be to vote pro-life. Donald Trump is not the candidate of my choice, but on this one single point … that he is the candidate of the party of pro-life, I will vote for him. As far as people saying (as they often do), that the Pro-Life people don’t care about helping the poor … or the Republicans do not care about helping the poor, that is far, far from the truth of the pro-life people I know. My church, and most of the pro-life churches have expansive community outreach programs to help the poor. Unfortunately they do not get the press coverage that the pro-choice supporters (i.e. Planned Parenthood) receive on a daily basis. Planned parenthood makes claims (many of them false), that their organization helps the poor. Depends on what they are helping with … helping to kill babies? How is that helping anyone? I know a number of women who have had abortions, and afterward they suffer emotionally. Guess where those who need to recover get the help they need? From the various churches who have clothing banks, give help with rent and utilities, food banks, help with health expenses, free clinics, non-profit hospitals and schools … all run by the churches who are pro-life. Too many people do not do their research. And for me, my research started by researching the history of Planned Parenthood and its’ founder, Margaret Sanger. Talk about misconceptions based on inaccurate reporting my the main stream media … I cannot in good conscience support HIllary Clinton or the party she represents.

    • Linda Hunter

      We should all encourage male and female sterilization no problems then.

      • Paul Burgett

        That doesn’t even make sense, Linda. Treating all life as valuable is the answer. And I would point out you are just a small step from Sanger’s position of forced abortions, which were performed here in America by the thousands in her day.

    • Paul Burgett

      Yes! I saw the coverage of an event where tens, even hundreds of thousands of pro-lifers were protesting in Washington for the baby’s right to life, and there maybe a couple hundred pro-abortion protesters. The media only chose to interview a couple from each camp and the report made it seem as if the opposing sides were there in equal numbers. Not true! The media’s biased views on this have had a major impact over the years.

  • Jim Walker

    If you kill a new born the moment it comes out of the womb, its murder. But if you kill it inside your womb is a choice ?

    • Linda Hunter

      You got that right brother.

    • Kristen P

      The womb is a dangerous place to be these days

    • Jim Soo

      Sadly, the most dangerous place for a child is in it’s mother’s womb.

  • Barbara Cueto

    Very well put, Dr. Brown. The only thing you failed to mention is that in this election there is only one Pro-Life candidate and that is Mr. Trump: and a vote against him, even a write-in vote, or no vote at all, is a vote for Hillary. Like it, (him), or not, we who are pro-life have only one choice this election-CHOOSE LIFE!

  • Kevin Starr

    There are so many areas where Hillary (or the liberal establishment fails) concerning human rights, the constitution, the bill of rights.. But we must remember not only this issue but the supreme court is of the greatest concern for generation.. I am not a Trump fan but what choice do I have as a believer, in lite of that I must vote Pro-life !!

  • Mark Hamilton

    I’m a little confused, Dr. Brown. Didn’t two of the three justices Reagan nominated ending up taking the pro-choice side i.e. O’Connor and Kennedy? Is this a wise move to trust in a president to end abortion? What about trying another tack, where, on a state level, people work to make abortion illegal? After all, isn’t trusting in a king (or an American president) a rejection of God (I Samuel 8)? Very confused in Rome, GA.

    • Paul Burgett

      Brother you’re right; we can’t expect a president to save us from things like abortion. From listening to Dr. Brown speak daily on this for two hours I think his point is that Clinton is so radically pro-abortion that it would be detrimental to our society for generations if she were elected.

      • Mark Hamilton

        Thanks, Paul, for the clarification.

      • Kathleen Wieland

        Granted, Hillary is radically pro-CHOICE, but pro-choice is not the same as pro-abortion. I do find it interesting that the most radical voices in the pro-life & anti-birth-control camps are almost always male. Please forgive me if I sometimes suspect that keeping women “in their place” is the true passion. Anyone who truly wants to eliminate abortions should be working to make unwanted pregnancy a thing of the past. I believe devoutly that that is what Jesus expects of me. “It is well with my soul”

      • Mark Hamilton

        Thank you, Paul.

    • Jim Soo

      So , I take it you don’t vote for a President? You know to trust in the President is a rejection of God.

      Also, do you really think there is a chance Hillary nominates a pro life judge?

      • Mark Hamilton

        Hi Jim: I do vote for President, but unfortunately not with the pro-life issue in mind because I know that the powers that be won’t allow the situation to change. The presidencies of the Bushes show this. As for Hillary nominating a pro-life judge, since two the three Reagan appointees switched to essentially pro-choice on the issue from pro-life, you never know if her appointee switches, but I wouldn’t vote for her for innumerable reasons anyway. Thanks :).

  • Pamela Moore

    If the pro-life/pro-choice issue were the only issue concerning how Christians vote this November, I might agree with you. However, Trump’s faults and inconsistency with my faith far outnumber Hillary’s if we are going to judge people for their degree of agreement with Christian and American values. Trump is a far more dangerous choice for our Christian values than Hillary.

    • Kristen P

      Christ’s death on the cross was God’s estimation of the value of human life. The pro-life / pro-choice issue is about how we value human life. The value of human life was the first test of Solomon’s wisdom. It may not be the only issue but how can it not be a fundamental issue?

      • Pamela Moore

        Kristen, my reply is somehow stuck, so I’m going to divide it in parts. I hope it is not overwhelming, but it appears to be an issue of size? Perhaps?

      • Pamela Moore

        I have tried to post a response here several times. It seems to take and then, when I come back, it is gone. I am sorry that I was unable to get a response successfully posted.

        • Chris Hicks

          Pamela believe in a false gospel. She does not have a personal relationship with Jesus.

          • Pamela Moore

            I am secure in my faith. I will pray for your witness, Chris. The list of issues that I have posted are all biblical. I have never justified abortion; but I am also not going to pretend the other issues are not just as important to our soul. Please read through my posts before you are quick to judge; if your conscience tells your otherwise. Many prayers…

          • Paul Burgett

            Pamela, I appreciate your sincerity and desire to love people. Unfortunately you’ve been taken in by a false narrative. Completely understanding that it is not any human being who is our enemy, it is imperative to know that Hilary Clinton is one of the most evil people in this entire country. The points you make have merit; however I would respectfully ask you to objectively research Hilary’s track record regarding Bill Clintons sexual escapades and the silencing of women, as well as the Clinton Foundation, to name a couple of things (not related to emails or Benghazi LOL)

          • Jim Soo

            I doubt the sincerity. She’s a put on.

          • Jim Soo

            You trade millions of innocent babies…. for people who are breaking our laws. …that is the reality.
            BTW, Charity begins with you….not with others.

          • Kathleen Wieland

            Judge not, Chris et al. I’ll bet Pamela’s relationship with Jesus is just as personal as my own. Speaking only for myself, I reject the idea that protecting life is only about fetuses & zygotes. Jesus preached the Gospel of social justice. The Jesus I know preached feeding the hungry, caring for the poor, welcoming the stranger – social justice. Those post-natal lives also need protection. Protecting the unborn (& reducing abortions) is most effectively done by allowing women access to the means of preventing unwanted pregnancies. I vote for candidates who work for that goal. And I vote against candidates who would rather spend money on corporate welfare & huge tax cuts for the privileged, instead of making sure that innocent children have enough to eat & that their families have access to health care, affordable housing, and fair wages. Protect all lives. Not just the unborn.

    • kathy658

      No matter what Trump stands for unless he stands for killing babies, I’ll vote Republican. After all, all I know is that you have a chance in life no matter what you are born into, i.e. poverty, abuse, neglect, war etc…but if you are never born you have no chance..there is no way to come back and fight for anything. Everyone deserves a chance to live!

      • Pamela Moore

        Kathy, sure…I respect your opinion and your vote. One thing I want to be clear about is that my faith calls on me to not sow discord…I value you. The article headline, however, would make us believe that it is the only issue Christians consider when voting this Fall. If we are only fighting for the right to life in absence of what our lives stand for (all the other values of Christian faith) as the singular issue, however, then, we might be short-sighted….

        • Chris Hicks

          This issue matters most to our Savior. It’s about LIFE.

          • Pamela Moore

            Oh, I beg to differ. No where in the Bible does it say this issue matters most to our savior. If we throw away all other Christian values to save a life without regard for the values we are keeping in our society, then, we are short-sighted.

          • Chris Hicks

            Obviously, you didn’t read the,article and you are satisfied with living an apostate (false) gospel. Let us know how that works out for you.

          • Pamela Moore

            I will not sow discord here…for God hates that. I will just tell you I respect you as a human being as God loves us all and I, too, hope you also find your way. We are not to become angry and we are not to love those who would divide us (Trump’s hatred of hispanics, disabled and maybe even African American; disregard for those who don’t carry the title of American; his idolatry of money; his intent to divide us against ourselves and the world). Be slow to anger, Chris; I am not your enemy. Also, carefully consider that neither candidate will fall within the purity of our faith. I am not blaming you for that, but I am also not defending Trump nor Clinton on a pure platform. I simply stated that I believe the scales tip opposite for me. We are both people of faith. There is no party that has the monopoly on faith; that is what we need to learn. We cannot judge or choose candidates based on party. I have voted for people on both sides of the ballot in my lifetime.

          • Jim Walker

            Pamela
            He is a businessman and if he speaks of bringing back jobs to US, it will also disrupt his cheap labor and money spinning machine in China or Mexico. now why would he even do that ? Did you think along this line ?
            However,
            There are lots of jobs that US government can bring back and businessmen like Trump can operate those business in US soil rather than in foreign countries. The key is to reduce taxes.
            The salaries of many locations that US has exported jobs to, are much higher but the Corporate Tax in my country much much lower.
            I’m not from the US so frankly I hate to admit but I wish Trump is not the President since my country is thriving from NAFTA as jobs from US are shifted here. BUT, the world cannot continue to Milk the Golden Goose anymore. With US in U$20trillion in debt something’s got to give. There has to be a balance of trade, it has to be a 2-way street.
            Big Corporations took full advantage of the NATFA and export millions of jobs out of US to 3rd world countries and sell back to US Tax-free and at the same prices they did when producing it in US.
            They pay No taxes in US.
            The US Govt has to give these corporations millions of dollars as incentives to help retain the remaining jobs they have in the US.
            Think about it, Pay no Taxes earning huge profits, and yet gets incentives to retain jobs in the US. Who wouldn’t want ?

          • Mary Ann Everett

            You have listen to all of what the media has told you but apparently not researched the candidate in your own. If you do you will find that there are many things that Trump has done that are not done in front of the press. I’m sure the vendors he has not paid would love to get in front of a camera. What do you think the chances are that they will tell the whole story? Was their work satisfactory? Did they bring it in in time? He has raised fabulous kids. That says alot. Didn’t put them in faux positions earning $3M a year for doing nothing. Wile neither may be what we’d hope, I fear him less than her. Can we risk her liberal mindset who approves of abortion in the 3rd trimester pick our upcoming supreme court justices?

          • Jim Soo

            Again, Pamela is lost.

          • kathy658

            Trump has never said he hates Hispanics. He doesn’t want people to enter the country illegally. More than half my family are Hispanics and they also don’t want people to come here illegally. How is that hatred of Hispanics.

          • Pamela Moore

            If you are hungry, do you have months to wait for a VISA? Why will he not allow for the expedited processing to allow those here to be legalized and stay? To me, that is the compassionate value we are called upon to honor. I am not Catholic, but I sure do think the Pope set the example in bringing Syrian refugees back to the Vatican on his plane. Many of us have never lived in the kind of poverty and lack of employment that Mexico (for instance) lived in for so many years. The situation is getting better, but do they have to suffer so greatly that we can no longer ignore their plight before we pay attention? Reagan and Bush were far more compassionate on this issue than Trump.

          • kathy658

            I agree that we should be compassionate but not wanting people to enter the country illegally doesn’t make one a racists. Lots of people are born into poverty, as the Bible says the poor will always be with us. Didn’t say it was okay. Back to my point…life still trumps everything. God can bring people up out of poverty. I know, b/c He did with me. I remember going to bed so hungry and praying that the next day would be a school day b/c everyone got free lunches b/c it was a poor farming community. And we were the poor of the poor. Lived in a big old run-down house w/plastic in the windows and we lived in WI. Winters were very cold. Had an outhouse no indoor plumbing. But yet I was allowed to live and I prospered. I didn’t stay poor forever. But I was given the chance to come up out of that poverty by being given life.

          • Jim Soo

            Pamela is a koolaid drinker.

          • Jim Soo

            You support the slaughter. You sow discard in your condescending bullcrap. Quit with the act.

          • Julie Forrest

            Pamela you are indeed a foolish woman!

          • Jim Soo

            She’s lost.

          • Jim Walker

            Pamela,
            “No where in the Bible does it say this issue matters most to our Savior”
            I can’t believe this words actually came out from you.
            To God, LIFE is the most sacred thing. It was on this earth that he formed and breathe LIFE into the nostrils of Adam and Eve.
            Psalms 139:13~14
            “For you created my inmost being; you KNIT me together in my mother’s womb. I praise you because I am Fearfully and Wonderfully made.”
            Jesus died for us, and that include those unborn kids in the mothers’ wombs.
            We cannot accept these irresponsible women and doctors to pull-out the babies, of whom God KNIT together and knew them before they are born.

          • Jim Soo

            If we throw away life…nothing else matters. Nice try again. You’re good at this./sarc. I don’t play your silly games. Can you tell? You’re pro death …much like Hillary.

          • Janine Long

            Have you ever watched the Planned Parenthood videos, read about Gosnell and what he did? It will change your view and maybe your heart. There will be consequences on this Nation for what has taken place to babies in the womb, don’t deceive yourself. It is nothing but evil and evil at the hands of man is something that God does care about and is very aware of. It has not gone unnoticed by Him. Who is saying “throw away all our Christian values to save a life without regard for the values we are keeping in our society?” NO ONE. We are simply talking about saving lives. Not at the expense of anything or anyone else. The callous disregard for the aborted and the ability to see them as medical research is abhorrent and does not differ much from what the Nazis did to the Jews. It’s a legal genocide, but it’s wrong in God’s eyes. That is Dr. Brown’s point.

        • Paul Burgett

          Pamela, can I respectfully point out that this thread, started by you, is bearing fruit of discord as you rebut the arguments of your brothers and sisters? These folks are right, an as a believer it’s not worth your time to defend Clinton. Even if there are things to dislike about Trump, Dr. Brown is making a clear and accurate case regarding right interpretation of Scripture. You have no need nor any authority in God as a sister to juxtapose his argument.

        • Janine Long

          the unborn, the 2nd amendment, the supreme court for a balance of powers and the list goes on.

    • DGB

      You’re right Pamela. This isn’t the only issue. Depending on how one defines innocent…there is the issue of Trump saying he was OK killing the family members of terrorists. I would consider those people innocent.

      • Pamela Moore

        Yes, thank you….

      • Jim Soo

        So you don’t think Hillary, or OBL, are not okay with using drones to take out terrorists and their families? SMH.

        • DGB

          What I was saying is that pro-life/pro-choice is not the only issue. And that neither candidate is really pro-life. So if that is your only criteria for what makes a good President then you are out of luck.

          • Janine Long

            Trump will not allow taxpayers to fund abortion, he has already stated that. Hillary will get rid of the Hyde amendment which protects taxpayers. And Trump will appoint a conservative judge to the Supreme Court unlike Mrs Clinton. You can count on that.

          • DGB

            That’s what he says now, but when he was a democrat giving money to
            Hillary Clinton, he said he was Pro-choice. He also said his sister
            would make a great Supreme Court Justice. She is more liberal than the
            Clintons and defended partial birth abortion. You can’t count on
            anything Trump says. He has no experience being anything but an
            authoritarian. He doesn’t like compromise and he doesn’t like to work
            with people who disagree with him. Some may see that as a good thing
            because they think he will get the things done that they want done. But
            once you throw compromise out the window, you become a dictator. And
            that dictator is willing to do and say anything to get what he wants.
            How many rude things has he said that make you cringe a bit…or a lot?
            How many of those things has he apologized for? How many of those things
            has he denied saying or blamed others for taking the wrong way? And yet
            people defend him like he is the messiah. They excuse his behavior and
            language because they believe he will somehow save us all. I wonder, if
            you have children, how many of those cringe worthy
            statements he has made, that you ignore or defend, would you praise your
            child for saying?

            If he were to become president, he still has
            to work with congress. When he doesn’t get what he wants he will first
            start calling people names – acting like a spoiled child…much like he
            does now – then will start putting out executive orders like crazy.
            Dictators aren’t really interested in anyone but themselves.

          • Janine Long

            I’ll take my chances with the “unknown”, I know what the “known” candidate will do…watch Clinton cash sometime, read the dem. party platform (it’s about what their vision and beliefs are).
            If evangelical Christians stay home this time again as in 2012, it will significantly harm this country. Too much is at stake to willfully hand over this country to a woman who wants abortion on demand, to turn over the Hyde amendment, to continue to force us to fund Planned Parenthood and it’s diabolically evil dismemberment of babies, to allow her to appoint Supreme Court Justices for life who will attempt to take away our right and the freedom we have to defend ourselves and the list goes on. This is not about you or me or whether we like or support or endorse our choices. The choices are clear, they have been laid before us, this is no time for Christian Pride, this is a time to pray and really think about what is at stake. We know what we are getting with one candidate, we don’t entirely know yet what we will get with the other, but I am going to trust God with that because the outcome of a Hillary Clinton Presidency is clear and leaves nothing to the imagination. It will just lead to the furtherance of destructive, evil policies and causes. Life or Death. I choose not to be complicit in the further willful destruction of the unborn. My choice will not condemn me to hell and God will forgive me if it proves to be a poor one. Damn my pride and principles, they are all rubbish to God and do not do one thing to further protect the life of the unborn. God help us.

    • Chris Hicks

      You are deceived. Do yourself a spiritual favor and go see “Hillary’s America.” All factually accurate on EVER level. Then, for an educated opinion. You owe it to yourself, your children and generations to come.

    • Jim Walker

      Pamela
      Hitlery lies to the American people. Her lies if compiled can fill the volumes of an encyclopedia.
      Hitlery chose Kaine, Birds of a feather, he will be a Yesman and 3rd in line after Bill Clinton.
      Trump chose Pence, this is a choice that helps to balance his power and will be a conservative deadweight to reign him in.

    • Jim Soo

      Sorry, not even close. We slaughter 1,000,000 babies a year. Hillary is all for it and wants me to pay for it. Nice try though.

      • JR2

        And who is going to take care of and raise these 1 Mil children?
        We know the GOP party won’t.
        Why don’t we work on having less pregnancies especially among the young women. Let’s make sure birth control is readily accessible.
        This is the only why to bring the numbers down. Abortion has always existed and always will.

    • Janine Long

      something tells you? wow way to base it on the facts. This woman’s record is horrendous. The commercials out there and Bill’s speech that paint her to be Mother Theresa are nothing but lies. Watch Clinton Cash

    • Janine Long

      Pamela, as a Christian, have you ever read the Democratic Parties Platform? You seem intelligent, you can google it. I implore you to read it in light of God’s word and remember, last election, they voted to keep God out of the party platform. Then they voted to put Him back in.

    • Janine Long

      Please consider reading this article….as a Christian it might be important to you.
      What newly-leaked DNC emails reveal should TERRIFY Christians
      By Michael Cantrell . You can’t access it here, but you can google it.

  • donney149

    I don’t think this country realizes how dangerous Hillary Clinton will be as president. She has a 30 year track record of lying, deception, a desire to supress religious liberty, not to mention the wholesale murder of the unborn. She is a despicible human being. Regardless of your feelings toward Trump, I would vote for Daffy Duck before I’d vote for the party of death.

    • Kris Webb

      Unfortunately, for this election the voter is trapped between a rock and a hard place, unless one considers a third party an option. Hillary may be very bad for the country but, in my opinion, Trump may be worse.

      • Elia

        Exactly.. The lesser of two evils.

      • Janine Long

        based on what? What has he done that is so horrible? This woman will continue to ruin America based on her record and bring us into a socialistic form of government. More government control, abortion on demand, confiscation of guns, she is a crook. Watch Clinton Cash. And she has had years to perfect herself. Trump is an unknown. Hilary is known and it is bad.

  • Mo86

    How can ANYONE vote for this lying, criminal woman?

  • Mary O’Connell Arthur

    I doubt anyone is actually PRO abortion. There is a difference between allowing something and encouraging something. I am against abortion, but seeing how some would do anything to procure one, better they are safely, medically available.

    • Mary Ann Everett

      Are you aware that Hillary has no problem with abortion in the 3rd trimester?

    • Paul Burgett

      Hilary Clinton encourages abortion. She also supports PP, which encourages abortion. There are unfortunately millions of people who are pro-abortion. Many of them have “good” reasons for their positions, but no reason justifies the murder of the innocent.

    • Jim Soo

      So, if your neighbor said her 1 year old was too noisy, was interfering with her career, driving her crazy, and costing too much you’d be okay with it? I guess we should make it easier and safer …right?

    • Janine Long

      the issue isn’t after the conception it is before. it is a baby. period. we are killing babies.

  • kathy658

    All I know is that you have a chance in life no matter what you are born into, i.e. poverty, abuse, neglect, war etc…but if you are never born you have no chance..there is no way to come back and fight for anything. Everyone deserves a chance to live!

  • Jim Soo

    Pamela eats it up. That one is pro death. She supports the killing of nearly 60 million dead babies since 73.

  • Arthur Clark

    As a seasoned Christian myself, I totally reject the premise of Mr. Brown’s thesis. For his position to wax invulnerable, one must accept the UN-biblical notion that ANY sin unto God is WORSE than another. Well, theological Truth makes it crystal clear that only ONE sin is unforgivable in God’s eyes. All other iniquities are equally abhorrent to the Almighty. BTW, Mrs. Clinton has never said that she SUPPORTS abortion. She HAS publicly stated that she backs a woman’s RIGHT TO CHOOSE. Big difference.

    • Jim Walker

      What is that ONE sin that is unforgivable Arthur ?
      Never said she supports abortion and backs women’s right to choose but did nothing to stopping it, is like Pontius Pilate trying to clear himself from any part in the crucifixion of Jesus.
      You are seasoned, but with salt and pepper, not with the Holy Spirit.

    • Janine Long

      oh really? She has stated that she is for abortion on demand…how can you be for that and abortion at any time during gestation and NOT support abortion. Sorry, you are mistaken and or using semantics. She most definitely is for abortion and has said so.

      • JR2

        Her exact words “if the mothers life is in danger”
        That is the only time she is for late term abortion.
        Let’s make sure we get the facts right before we put people down.

  • Krantzology

    Pay attention! Abortion is an abomination. Do you not also understand that habit of murdering the unborn innocent is not established or eliminated by a single vote? Michael Brown, if it is true that neither you or I stood in a doorway of our community to prevent abortions, do we not have blood on our hands too? Our sins are washed by Jesus, not our voting record.

  • Janine Long

    3 REASONS WHY HILLARY DOES NOT DESERVE THE CHRISTIAN VOTE
    LINDA HARVEY on 4 August, 2016 at 06:55

    God raises up kings (or queens), and He can depose them as well.

    An American president empowered by God, whose nation will be protected and blessed, is one who humbly understands the servanthood role of leadership, acknowledging the ultimate authority of the King of Kings.

    Everything in Hillary Clinton’s track record screams the opposite: arrogance, lawlessness, bald-faced deception, alliance with sexual depravity, injustice, greed, unaccountability, godlessness, treason.

    The white suit worn during her DNC acceptance speech cannot hide the bloodstains in Hillary’s life. As with Lady Macbeth, those stains are increasingly difficult to wash off.

    Hillary’s election as president will be a stab at the heart of this once-great nation. We may bleed to death on her watch, but she either won’t see or won’t care.

    No sincere Christian should vote for Hillary Clinton. Here are just a few of the many reasons why:

    1. Hillary passionately defends abortion and thinks it’s a matter of justice and “rights” for women. Everything in Scripture leads us in the opposite direction: that life in the womb is precious to God, and the shed blood of innocents makes our Lord furious.

    Yet Hillary will ruthlessly eliminate abortion restrictions. She indicated that her limit is “up until the third trimester,” but Susan B. Anthony List President Marjorie Dannenfelser believes this rhetoric signals that Clinton would allow abortion right up until birth.

    Not only will Hillary defend abortion, but she wants these deaths fully reimbursed by taxpayers. Instead of “safe, legal and rare,” the killing of unborn children will be convenient, widespread and free. The Democratic platform demands the repeal of the Hyde Amendment. Under Hillary, Medicaid reimbursement for abortion will expand. Welcome to 13-year-old nirvana – have sex, get an abortion at Planned Parenthood, parents never find out because you are a “poor woman” under Medicaid’s definition, and American taxpayers pick up the tab.

    This is Hillary’s concept of “justice.” No, it’s oppression. Can Christians support the corruption of girls and the casual disposal of human lives?

    Planned Parenthood has been colluding for decades with Hillary to engineer this windfall. Picture a Hillary-directed HHS with perhaps Elizabeth Warren as Secretary. Or Bernie Sanders.

    And this is only the beginning of entitlement explosion. Some are predicting massive tax hikes under a Hillary presidency.

    2. In Hillary’s upside-down ethical world, sodomy and gender rebellion are “human rights.” Our children will be further corrupted as Hillary twists the notion U.S. civil rights law into including male/male or female/female sexual behavior, and ramps up the Obama pressure on public schools to deceive children with deviant “LGBTQ” propaganda. Her Departments of Education and Justice are likely to continue the phony interpretation of Title IX allowing privacy-free, open sex bathrooms.

    But this deviance-fest won’t end at the U.S border. Under Hillary’s tenure as secretary of state, a State Department fund was set up to finance the diabolical cause of normalizing homosexual conduct worldwide, even in nations with strong cultural or religious objections. Diplomatic pressure has been exerted, and U.S. aid has been withheld, depending on a nation’s accommodation of this goal. As president, she will accelerate this coercion, and as the DNC platform states, “We will continue to stand with LGBT people around the world, including fighting efforts by any nation to infringe on LGBT rights or ignore abuse.”

    Let’s all remember that the liberal definition of “abuse” includes verbal objections – free speech – by private citizens about homosexual behavior. The left, now led by Hillary, is committed to silencing the opposition. Christians, who learn through Scripture that homosexuality is an abomination and no human needs to engage in this conduct, must recognize what’s unfolding here.

    Even in America, people who express Christian views on homosexual behavior are now being jailed. Just ask Kim Davis.

    And Hillary will enthusiastically curtail religious freedom. She said in a speech in 2015 that “… deep-seated cultural codes, religious beliefs and structural biases have to be changed.”

    3. Christians understand the duty delegated by God to protect our children. We also cherish the freedom to share the Gospel. Hillary threatens both, because her blind adherence to political correctness and obsessive personal ambition threaten national security.

    Danger and death follow Hillary’s recklessness. The missing 30,000 emails and her betrayal in Benghazi are just two of her jaw-dropping actions. What is she hiding and why skirt appropriate security clearances? Why has she kept as her close assistant for years Huma Abedin, whose parents are tied to the America-hating Muslim Brotherhood? Why is Hillary so cozy and accommodating to Islamic leaders? Doesn’t she understand the offense of Shariah law to women? To fundamental liberty? To Almighty God?

    Trump said, “Russia, if you’re listening, I hope you’re able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing.” The left erupted with outrage, accusing him of encouraging a foreign power to breach national security. But his tongue-in-cheek point was that Hillary has already done that. The question is, will America elect her to do even worse?

    Hillary’s administration and influence are apparently for sale. “Do not accept a bribe, for a bribe blinds those who see and twists the words of the innocent,” says Exodus 23:8. But recent WikiLeaks revelations show that the DNC was apparently selling prestigious government posts to major donors.

    Investigators have found that Bill and Hillary have accepted at least $100 million through the Clinton Foundation from Middle East donors, including nations with atrocious human rights records. Will President Hillary be compromised? It’s highly likely.

    So there you have it. Fascism continued and extended under a modern-day Jezebel. America can do far better than Hillary.

    Please, if you claim to love the Lord Jesus, do not help elect this corrupt woman.

  • suzeebee03

    Hillary loves abortion so much she glowed with pride when she accepted the Margaret Sanger award. There is not an iota of shame. She and I are the same age and she should remember that when we were kids abortion was against the law and was dealt with by way of punishment for both the woman and the butcher. It was actually a CRIME!!!!!!

  • Mel

    Doesn’t God also hate a lying toungue? Proverbs 6:17

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