The Outrageous Attack on Conservative Christians After the Orlando Massacre

By Michael Brown Published on June 19, 2016

In the aftermath of the Orlando massacre, leftist voices are not only blaming conservative Christians for the tragedy, they are now calling on Christians to renounce their sacred beliefs and historic convictions, as if holding to a biblical definition of marriage leads to mass murder.

This is not only ridiculous and reprehensible. It is also logically absurd.

Consider these alternative scenarios.

Let’s say that for years, gay activists vilified conservative Christians in the ugliest ways, not only calling us bigots and hypocrites and equating us with Hitler, the Nazis, the Taliban and ISIS, but also saying that we deserve to die, sending us death threats, posting death wishes on social media and holding up posters at rallies with lines like, “Throw them to the lions!” (For the record, this is not hypothetical. I can document every word of this in sickening detail.)

Then, one Sunday morning, a radical Muslim of Iraqi descent barges into a church service and kills 49 worshipers, injuring 53 others before he is killed.

Are the gay activists to blame or is the radical Muslim to blame? Obviously, the radical Muslim. Are the gay activists complicit? Of course not, despite their hatred and animosity.

What if conservative Christians turned to gay activists and said, “Can’t you see the damage your words have done? Can’t you see that your death threats helped produce this toxic, murderous environment? It’s time that you renounce your homosexuality!” What would the reaction be from the gay community? One can only imagine.

Now let’s change the scenario a little. This time, it’s outspoken atheists who have been vilifying conservative Christians, mocking their intelligence, belittling their God, scorning their Scriptures and even claiming that is it child abuse for Christian parents to be able to teach the tenets of their faith to their own children. (This, of course, has been happening for years as well.)

After years of abusive atheistic comments, the radical Muslim barges into that Sunday church service and carries out his massacre. Are the atheists to blame? Are they complicit in the attack? Do they bear some of the responsibility? Of course not.

And could conservative Christians turn around and say to them, “Look at the damage you’ve done. It’s time you renounce your atheism and embrace Christianity”? Obviously not.

Yet gay activists and their allies on the left are not only blaming Christians for the Orlando tragedy, they are telling us it’s time to change our beliefs. How utterly and completely absurd.

The fact is, my parallel scenarios were not even true parallels, since conservative Christians have not been engaging in hate speech against gays and lesbians. (Note to the LGBT community: Just because you call something “hateful” doesn’t make it hateful.)

We have not been calling for their murder (God forbid!), and even the minuscule, fringe minority, of professing Christians who call for the death penalty for practicing homosexuals do not call for their murder. (Note also that, as Christians, we oppose adultery, fornication, polygamy and polyamory, but we don’t hate adulterers, fornicators, polygamists or polyamorists, nor do we call for their death.)

We have simply said that God designed men for women and women for men, that children deserve a mother and father, that homosexual practice is sinful, that a teenage boy shouldn’t be playing on the girls’ sports teams and sharing their locker rooms and shower stalls, and that a biological male is not a woman.

There is no hatred in these positions, no vilification of fellow-human beings, no calls for violence, no death threats or death wishes. Instead, there is a proclamation that all of us have sinned against God, that all of us are fallen and flawed to the very core of our beings, that all of us deserve death, and that, through Jesus, God wants to have mercy on all.

In a million years, no one could draw a logical or moral line between this message and the cold-blooded murder of gays and lesbians. Not in a million years.

What has happened is that Christians have pushed back against laws that we feel are unjust or unhelpful, especially laws that endanger our most fundamental national freedoms or that could potentially endanger our children.

In response, leftist activists have called us haters and bigots and worse. But that is simply their perception. (I have documented this as well, demonstrating how gay websites have bashed Christian rallies and put ugly words on the mouths of the speakers, whereas in reality not a single speaker engaged in anything resembling hate speech.)

So, we simply stand up for marriage and family and for freedoms of religion, conscience and speech in response to a radical LGBT agenda to reshape our nation, and our opponents attack us in the most vile and even hysterical tone, equating us with ISIS and the like.

In other words, the so-called toxic environment which conservative Christians have allegedly created is largely the product of the interpretation put on our words by gay activists and their allies. The toxicity is not coming from us, and we bear no more responsibility for the actions of a Muslim terrorist in Orlando than we bear for a Muslim terrorist in Fallujah.

But there’s one more thing that needs to be addressed.

Followers of Jesus do not pick and choose what we believe. As Augustine once commented, “If you believe what you like in the gospels, and reject what you don’t like, it is not the gospel you believe, but yourself.”

It’s not up to us to reinterpret a biblical truth because society doesn’t like it or because it’s considered out of fashion. It’s not up to us to tell the Creator what’s best for His creation or tell the Ruler of the universe how things on earth should go, nor is it our job to lecture the Judge of the world about justice.

And when it comes to homosexual practice, despite many attempts to rewrite the Bible, the verdict remains the same: 1) there is not a single positive reference to homosexual practice in the Bible; 2) every scriptural reference to homosexual practice is decidedly negative (in the strongest of terms); 3) marriage is established as the lifelong union of one man and woman; 4) forgiveness and mercy are offered to all, homosexual and heterosexual alike.

Jonah Goldberg recently asked, “Why Can’t the Left Distinguish Conservative Christians from Islamic Terrorists?” In my opinion, the answer is willful ignorance.

The leftists have embraced lies about conservative Christians for many years now and they are simply building on the foundation of those lies. Believers in Jesus (and other conservatives) better prepare well for the coming storm.

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  • eddiestardust

    Darn right about that!

  • Jeanette Victoria ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

    The leftists have aligned themselves with the same people who are engaging in genocide of Christians in the Middle East. I get the impression that they are fine with that even if they won’t admit it publicly.

    • Gregory Peterson

      American Muslims are not the same people who are engaging in genocide of Christians in the Middle East.

      You, on the other hand, are encouraging hate crimes against both American LGBT people and American Muslims (and even people thought by the ignorant to be Muslims but aren’t), even if you won’t admit it publicly.

      • Ann T. Lib

        How and who is encouraging hate crimes exactly? Can you give an example or are you just going to keep repeating what you are hearing by liberal media? There’s nothing to admit publicly other than Christian beliefs are based on biblical principles. What man says is acceptable means nothing to Jehovah God….just because society deems sinful behavior as acceptable doesn’t mean that Christians are suppose to just throw those principles set by God, out of the Bible. Although, I fully expect to see the day that the Bible cannot be preached from the pulpit.

        • Jeanette Victoria ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

          Almost ALL of the violent massacres in the US have been done by Democrats. I live in the real world and I see by their rhetoric that more innocent people will be harmed ad a result of the overwhelming violent inciting rhetoric coming from the progressive and the LGBT crowd.

          • Gregory Peterson

            “Almost ALL of the violent massacres in the US have been done by Democrats.”

            Well…a half truth. Many massacres in the US were done by white states’-rights proclaiming, Bible-Belt Evangelicals of the “Dixiecrat” variety of Democrat. But there were/are many kinds of Democrat. It was and is a coalition party.

            However, especially starting with the leadership of Harry Truman and Hubert Humphrey, strong and effective opposition to states’ rights in the Democratic Party disconcerted the Dixiecrats, to say the least.

            Strom Thurmond even tried to form his own states’-rights third party. That is why Dixiecrats such as Strom Thumond in 1964, and then later with Jesse Helms, Trent Lott etc, migrated to the GOP. They did that because anti-regulation businessmen in the Republican Party were also for states’-rights…though for different reasons.

        • Gregory Peterson

          Right…and the (white) Citizens’ Councils weren’t encouraging hate crimes against Black people just because they renounced KKK style terrorism.

      • brothergc

        wrong , the attack in orlando was done by a americian muslim who some suspect was a closet gay get your facts straight

    • Ann T. Lib

      They would love to see Christians and the Bible burned at the stake… As you can see from posts on here gays and liberals get enraged if you don’t renounce your allegience to God and HIS WORD. It’s not good enough that activist judges are throwing the book at Christians…they want your thoughts also and thay want your mouth shut. If you speak out the only thing they can fall back on is insults and accusations. I see it over and over again.

      • Gregory Peterson

        Most liberals, Gay people and allies that I know are at least nominally Christian or Jewish, often strongly believing, active in their churches Christian. or in their synagogues. I’ve even met a Gay imam.

        Several are clergy themselves, church elders and others involved in the various church ministries.

        However, some other Gay people that I know have rejected religion or became agnostics after their religions rejected them…which left some of them wandering for a time in the dangerous wilderness of Anomie.

        • Gary

          Some people claim to be Christian who are not.

          • RustySkywater

            You mean to say that they aren’t “Real True Christians(tm)”?

  • Gary

    Sodomites are unreasonable. They are full of hatred and hostility toward anyone who will not endorse them. We should expect that will always be the case.

    • Gregory Peterson

      Right..it’s just so unreasonable for minority people to think they should be treated as responsible law abiding adults in their own country.

      • Ann T. Lib

        Who is not treating minorities as responsible law abiding adults? Are you referring to the bakery that doesn’t want to put a gay couple on one of their cakes due to THEIR beliefs? They lost their business, paid huge fines and everything else.they paid a huge personal price for standing up for their beliefs…the gay couple came out about 135,000 dollars ahead…what more do you want? .jail time? That’s all they have left to give..( as I was saying (and was mocked).Christians will be jailed at some point.)…

        • Gregory Peterson

          Had they cooperated with the state HR department into becoming compliant with the law, they wouldn’t have had any of those problems. They brought it upon themselves. They has a legal obligation to be knowledgeable of, and compliant with, laws for licensed public accommodations.

          The concept of “protected classes” is long settled law, tested in the Supreme Court, and become widely known about by the general public with the passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and subsequent anti-discrimination law.

          Before the Act was made law, the Citizens’ Councils had made refusal of service and unlimited privileges to fire people at will, into a weapon of economic terrorism in some areas, even created economic refugees who had to move away in order to find work and shelter, buy food, clothing and such.

          Granted, any self respecting metropolitan area today would be resistant to that sort of thing being used against LGBT people, even in states where sexual orientation and gender identity aren’t protected classes. But that’s not necessarily true in smaller towns.

          Humiliating law abiding customers with “I don’t serve your kind here” is telling them to segregate themselves from you at their expense….to stay on their own side of the tracks.

          That’s not really good for a stable society, especially one which has an ideal of equality under the law.

          • Gary

            Freedom of religion requires freedom of association. Anti-discrimination laws prohibit freedom of religion, which is unconstitutional, even if the courts refuse to admit it.

          • Gregory Peterson

            “Freedom of association” was a favorite claim used against integration back when I was young.

            When you create a licensed business, you take on the obligation to serve the public. GLBT people are part of the public.

            A licensed business isn’t a church, an exclusive club, a home. It is a public venue, sanctioned to serve the public. It has no right to exist if it’s dangerous.

          • Gary

            Then you believe that people in business must forfeit their right to freedom of religion when conducting business. I disagree with that notion. Happily, most states don’t require businesses to do business with lgbtq.

          • Gregory Peterson

            You don’t think that the racists who opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 didn’t make that argument?

            If you want to discriminate against minority people…open a church.

          • Gary

            The Civil Rights Act is unconstitutional. The government has no authority to dictate who people have to do business with. But, the anti-discrimination laws only apply to business situations. So far. I am sure the liberals are searching for ways to apply them in other areas.

          • Gregory Peterson

            I doubt that you’re an esteemed constitutional scholar.

            “So far. I am sure the liberals are searching for ways to apply them in other areas.”

            Yes indeed. You notice that there are now female Southern Baptist pastors and female Roman Catholic Bishops after the passage of the Civil Rights Act.

            Oh wait…

          • Gary

            I am not Southern Baptist or Catholic.

          • Cowboy

            With that thought – many businesses should be shutdown and shuttered – they are dangerous – such as places which serve alcohol and can cause injury when someone leaves under the influence and drives.
            Abortion clinics are immediately dangerous to the unborn child.

          • Gregory Peterson

            Don’t look at me, I’m a Methodist teetotaler.

          • Cowboy

            So shut everything down that might be dangerous as you say.

          • Gregory Peterson

            Segregation has a long record of being more dangerous to society than a bar, which can control its service.

            And make no mistake about it. saying “We don’t serve your kind here” is about segregation.

          • Cowboy

            going to have to agree to disagree!

          • davidrev17

            Gregory, please don’t forget, or avoid? responding to my direct post to you @ 11 hours ago; whose short content asked you to answer a critically relevant question to this overall debate, stated in my somewhat longer post this morning @ 12 hours ago!

            I need to hear your rational/logical reply sir…if you’d be so kind – since I’ve noticed thus far, that you’ve appeared to distance yourself from its content, while freely engaging a few others on this blog. Thank you much!

          • Gregory Peterson

            Don’t compare your tawdry sins with my love.

            Live with your decision, or modify it. I don’t care either way. If you do, enjoy your sexual orientation lovingly and responsibly.

            If you don’t, pray for strength if your decision becomes burdensome.

          • Gregory Peterson

            Us humans are very social creatures. Sometimes when we feel especially burdened by life, talking with a counselor can help reveal clarity and direction.

            I would avoid nouthetic “Biblical” counseling, however, which quacks louder than Donald Duck getting his tail feathers plucked.

          • davidrev17

            “Sez Who?” You call that tail-chasing, truncated piece of overly opinionated twaddle rational, or logical? Wow! If you’re unable to conjure-up something of substance upon which to pontificate, then one’s silence is a far better option.

          • Gregory Peterson

            I suggest that you do see a real counselor, real soon.

      • Gary

        The US Government likes you much more than it does Christians. But that is not true of me.

        • Gregory Peterson

          Pobrecito!

          • Ashley Bowen

            Mentiroso!

          • Gregory Peterson

            I may be wrong, but I’m not lying.

      • Dean Bruckner

        Equal rights, yes; special rights, no. You want special rights: to redefine marriage into something it is not, to silence your opponents with huge fines and imprisonment, and to erase the biological distinctions between male and female.

        • Gregory Peterson

          American have First Amendment rights…it is not become a “special right” when minority people exercise it.

          The legal concept of “protected classes” is an old one, even older than the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

          Why would you think that ‘biological distinctions between male and female’ could even be ‘erased?’

  • Gregory Peterson

    Moral people are blaming conservative Christians for the creation of a dangerous climate of animus towards LGBT people, which is likely encouraging a rise in homophobic hate crimes…even if you aren’t condoning them..

    • Ann T. Lib

      Hey Pal….Muslims are the ones throwing gays from buildings and hanging them in public squares…..not Christians.

      • Gregory Peterson

        Hey Pal…American Muslims support Gay rights more than Evangelicals. American Muslims have largely been silent on Gay rights, very unlike conservative Christians who have been very loud and busy creating a climate of animus towards both Gay and Muslim people.

        • DanH

          Twerp, Omar Mateen was not an evangelical.
          He was a gay guy like you.

          • Gregory Peterson

            The terrorist was at most, bisexual leaning towards the heterosexual side.

            I can understand why that would be highly disconcerting to one in a religion with an animus towards same-sex relationships orientations.

            Combined with mental issues, a controlling and abusive personality, a patriarchal minded father and religion (hardly unique to Muslims), the American hyper-masculine gun culture, backlash against the successes of the Equality movement, an inner drive to find scapegoats and violent role models (even when some of those are at odds with others)…well…we know what happened.

            While the terrorist wasn’t a Latino, I don’t think that it was a coincidence that he chose Latin Night for his terrorist act. This was when other men color bout his age gathered to enjoy the freedom of being themselves…the freedom of being away from the climate of animus towards both their gender relationship orientation and their ethnic backgrounds.

          • DanH

            The killer was a gay guy, one of your own.
            Don’t try to turn a gay killer into a Christian killer. It won’t work.

          • Gregory Peterson

            Nobody is trying to turn him into a Christian killer. Do you even read what you write?

            Mateen was never a Christian. Never flirted, as far as I know, with becoming a Christian. And Christianity has enough wild eyed crazies, judging from “Right Wing Watch” anyway. Fortunately, they seem adequately content with just being hate propagandists and conspiracy theories…though they add to a dangerous climate of animus towards various minority people and others.

            As for being Gay…that’s still not definitive. He may have been working his hatred of LGBT people up to a fevered and lethal pitch…imaging himself as a spy behind the lines and whatever he could rationalize.

            Even if he were same-sex relationship oriented, which wouldn’t surprise me, the anomic bombing that religious Gay people get, Muslim, Jewish, and Christian, can, like all extreme and/or unrelenting stress, create and exacerbate mental problems, pushing vulnerable people further towards whatever edge tips them into the abyss.

            If you’re an expert on the sexuality of terrorists, you’re sure hiding it well.

            What the critics that so upset Dr. Brown are trying to say is that while Mateen wasn’t a Christian terrorist like the insane Colorado Springs terrorist, Robert Dear, he was nevertheless soaked in the same sort of homophobia that people like Dr. Brown teach as God’s will.

            That climate of animus towards a/other/many minority group(s) encourages a violent response among those with a propensity towards violence.

            As an American, born and raised, Mateen got Muslim manufactured homophobia at home and/or mosque, then the very similar Christian homophobia everywhere else in his American life. There are a great many more conservative Christians in America than there are conservative Muslims. Conservative Christians are very culpable in creating a deadly climate of ill-will towards both LGBT and Muslim people.

            My observation, which is just that, is that dangerous insane people pick up on the most pernicious aspects of society and embrace it, own it, become it. Mateen would seem to have done just that.

            Add that to the American hyper-masculine gun culture, of which Mateen was definitely a part…and you would get a very dangerous person.

        • Ashley Bowen

          No, Muslims actually don’t. Islam is the most homophobic, anti-Semitic, and anti-Christianic religion in history! Actually READ the Quran and the Hadith for yourself and tell me WHERE exactly do they say that Muslims are supportive of homosexuals and/or gay rights. Because I’m going to tell you this right here, right now, they don’t! Muslims even make Jews and Christians pay a considerably high tax for EVERYTHING JUST BECAUSE they happen to be living on Muslim land. I’m finish with this: go check out this book by Glenn Beck called “It IS about Islam” to try to affirm your argument that Islam is supportive of homosexuality.

    • Dean Bruckner

      And they are wrong. Your saying 1 + 1 = 11 will never make it so.

      • Gregory Peterson

        “You’re” not “Your.” I have a problem with homophones myself. They just sort of pop up randomly while I’m writing.

        It’s not those dreadful liberals and those Gay people who refuse to be invisible in the closet who are the professional anti-Gay propagandists like Dr. Brown, or the long list of anti-Gay propaganda organizations and media outlets such as the FRC, AFA, ERLC, CBN, TBS, Charisma, Christian Post, Baptist Press…and on and on.

        • Dean Bruckner

          No, “Your” is correct. The word “saying” is a gerund, not a participle. Your act of saying that 1 +1 = 11 does not make that a true statement.

          Sophistry, really.

          • Gregory Peterson

            Thank you for the lesson on gerunds and participles. It’s been many more decades than I care to count since I studied that sort of thing. I was reading the sentence as “You are saying…”

            I’m an artist, I can make 1+1=11 if I wish, but I was in this case, I was saying that if it quacks like a duck…it’s sure is acting like a duck.

          • Dean Bruckner

            You’re welcome, I guess. But you brought it up, not me.

            You know, Gregory, you sound like an intelligent, thoughtful person. The physical illness you’ve described has obviously given you a deeper understanding of life and a sense of its great value. But that’s not enough. There were tons of educated people, religious people, intelligent people in Jesus’s day. But most of them refused to take Jesus on his terms, but tried to make him fit their terms. Jesus’ response? “Unless you believe that I AM, you will die in your sins.” They didn’t like that, and killed him for it. Does that describe you? Except for the grace of God, it would have described me.

            I challenge you: read a chapter of the gospel of John every day, and decide in advance to obey something you read that day, and then do it. Understanding the Bible comes only through humility and obedience. You will find life that way. The New Living Translation is a good one to use.

            Cheers, Dean

          • Gregory Peterson

            Why would you presume that I’m not familiar with the Gospel of John because I’m not a raving homophobe like Dr. Brown?

            I’ve read Rudolf Bultmann’s “Gospel of John,” for starters Granted, it’s been awhile, and there were problems with it though the problems are a challenge to learn more, not reject it entirely.

            I remember a passage on the intolerance of revelation, when the time to make a decision must be made in its light, and with the demand of tolerance for those of honest intent.

            There is little honest intent in the conservative Evangelical movement, and little tolerance of others of honest intent and good will..

            It wasn’t there when they made proslavery propaganda the main cultural product of Southern Society between 1830 and secession. (see: ‘When Slavery Was Called Freedom: Evangelicalism, Proslavery, and the Causes of the Civil War;’ by John Patrick Daly for starters.)

            There was little honest intent when they used terrorism to restore white supremacy. There was little honest intent when it used terrorism to keep Jim Crow in power. There is little honest intent in its campaign against law abiding minority people today.

            The dishonest intent cannot hide behind clobber verses. The dishonest intent is revealed in extortion threats of the “Do as I say or God will hurt you bad” type. The primary intent of the white American conservative Evangelical movement has always been and still is, about preserving unearned privilege at the expense of everyone else by claiming that God wants it that way.

            My question to you is: Did you find the apparent antisemitism of the Gospel of John disconcerting?

            Butlmann addressed that, perhaps not as convincingly as I would have liked. A Rabbi friend read the Gospel of John as an intra-Jewish argument.

            Even if the Gospel of John writer was not anti-Semitic but was writing an intra-Jewish argument, John was definitely used to justify antisemitism.

            And, how are people of honest intent today to respond to that?

          • Dean Bruckner

            Telling the truth about what actually happened is not antisemitism. Jesus came to save the lost, Jews and non-Jews. If we were Jews of Jesus’ day, we would not have done better than they.

            I didn’t ask if you were familiar with John’s gospel. I asked if you obeyed it. As long as you try to sit in judgment on God and his word, you will learn nothing, and you will remain blind to God and the truth of his word, just like the Pharisees at the end of John chapter 9.

            “God opposes the proud, but gives grace to the humble.”

            You go on and on about “clobber verses” and how others are proud and abusive. What about *your* pride and *your* refusal to obey God and his word?

          • Cowboy

            Gregory is a lost brother until he sees Jesus face to face – then it will be to late. We can only pray he has a burning bush experience.

    • Dean Bruckner

      Gregory, be warned: God is patient, but one day his patience will come to an end. Please repent now, while you still have the opportunity. “Now is the right time; now is the day for you to be saved.” Do not endure the eternal, conscious, unpeakable punishment for your sins because you kept rejecting God’s mercy toward you!

      • Gregory Peterson

        Petty extortion of the “Do as I say or God will hurt you” is probably not in your better nature.

        • Dean Bruckner

          Telling you the ship is sinking but that there are lifeboats still available is not petty extortion, or hate, or anything else except compassion and a desire for truth to be known and proclaimed to everyone. Your suppression of the truth will end in disaster for you, and others, unless you and they repent. Please don’t go down with the ship of willful sin and unbelief!

          • RustySkywater

            Dean’s definition of “willful sin” = not agreeing with Dean.

          • Dean Bruckner

            I don’t think so. Feel free to ignore me, but don’t ignore God.

            You and Gregory shouldn’t hang out here, for your own sakes, until you are ready to meet God on his terms. Every time you hear the truth but rebel against it, you harden your heart and increase your judgment.

            The Apostle Paul’s words in Romans 2 should be a warning to you both:

            “But because of your stubbornness and your unrepentant heart, you are storing up wrath against yourself for the day of God’s wrath, when his righteous judgment will be revealed.”

            I pray that you will not experience that. But the choice is yours.

          • Gregory Peterson

            I hang out here in case there are minority people who need to know that not everyone is so addicted to the politics of ill-will, supremacy, privilege and resentment at the expense of others.

          • Dean Bruckner

            God will judge those who lead people into sin, and all the sexually immoral.

          • RustySkywater

            Dean, you do not know me and my spiritual state. Do not presume.

          • Dean Bruckner

            That’s true, Rusty, but your words to give an insight to your character and spiritual state. When you write to another commenter on this site, “Hillary Clinton is a good, honorable woman, and for you to insult her as you do shows your utter lack of character,” I can conclude a lot of things. Spiritual maturity and discernment, unfortunately, are apparently not among them.

          • Gregory Peterson

            Why exactly are you talking like the racists did to people who they claimed were “advocating for the unnatural sin of miscegenation?”

            I mean, I can still see that creepy rictus smile of the oh so concerned for my…well…their oh so concern for their own unholy state of unearned privilege.

    • The Dove

      Go find a different scapegoat.
      If gays’ lives are full of sexual promiscuity, drugs, alcoholism, depression, and domestic violence, it’s YOUR responsibility. Don’t blame other people for being failures in life. Real men guide their own lives. Only cowards and whiners blame others.

      • Gregory Peterson

        And real men take responsibility for the harm they do to others. “Conservative” Christian men are therefore, not “real men.”

        Conservative men, such as Dr. Brown, make money creating minority stress, then rather than taking responsibility for the state of anomie* they create for minority people, use the consequences to justify more disparagement, more demands to discriminate and segregate.

        * (a sense that your society is without a soul, without norms, is an abyss that swallows you up)

    • m-nj

      from a foundational theological standpoint, sin is sin, and all sin separates us from God. however, i believe this sin, homosexuality, is inherently different that other sins, especially in the current cultural context we find ourselves.

      as far as i know, there are no adulterer pride parades or liar pride parades. i would be very surprisedif anyone has stated God created me as a murderer, so He must accept what i do. while our culture does somewhat wink at drinking to excess, and even fosters fornication, no one has come out and said drunkeness is something to be celebrated or adultery is great. further, no one i have heard of has ever said, unashamedly, as his or her fundamental identity, I am a thief, I am a murderer, I am a liar. BUT, we do now have gay pride parades, and the culture and even our laws are now saying being gay is acceptable. gay people are saying that they, in their inner, ultimate, being, “I am gay.”

      so with this difference, churches, and the christians that make them up, MUST continue to speak the truth in love. homosexual practice is sin, and homosexual attraction is a temptation that must be resisted and rejected. if we do not do it, then who will?

      • Gregory Peterson

        It’s called “defamation” when you group law abiding minority adults in with people who cheat on their spouses, liars, thieves, murderers.

        You don’t speak “the truth in love” anymore than earlier generations spoke “the truth in love” for segregation. You speak the unearned privilege that you think God has divinely ordained for you at the beginning of time.

        • Dean Bruckner

          Lawyering up again? If you’re Progressive or an LGBT activist, it’s what you do. I believe people like you will try to put Christians in prison and take away everything they have, and I believe you will help them. But that won’t be enough. The way I see it, the culture of death will sweep you into doing things far worse.

    • Gary

      No, moral people are NOT saying that. Moral people are saying that homosexuality is immoral based on the Bible.

      • Gregory Peterson

        Of course I’m old enough to have heard from conservative Evangelicals that racial integration and “the unnatural sin of miscegenation” were immoral based on the Bible.

        Why should I trust a movement that’s usually been wrong on the great moral tests that American events have created?

        • DanH

          Then you must be 200 years old.

          This race card business is tiresome, missy, try something new.

          • Gregory Peterson

            So…stop writing like the racists did, even if they did target a different minority group.

            I mean, it’s not like nobody knows what is amply documented and within living memory, even if you have SBBA. (Selective Bible Belt Amnesia.)

        • Gary

          If you wanted to, you could read the Bible for yourself instead of taking someone’s word for it. But you already know that homosexuality is condemned in Scripture. You just hate that it is.

          • Gregory Peterson

            Gosh…A complete stranger tells someone who was raised in a conservative Christian home, who has pastors and missionary relatives, has never read the Bible.

            So that must mean that I haven’t because you said so.

            I know what’s in the Bible…and what’s not.

  • Ann T. Lib

    I see our society rapidly coming to you either deny Christ or you will be jailed, just like Paul and Silas and others who refused to deny Him. Then they will try to starve us out, via the infamous mark we have all read so much about. The book of Revelation definitely ties ability to get food to the mark. The rapture is interpreted as pre, mid, or post, so who knows? As Ravenhill stated …” This silly world thinks they have heard the last of Jesus, but He hasn’t even started with it yet”

    • Gregory Peterson

      Right…minority adults who want to be treated equally under the law are going to make it a crime to be Christian.

      You might see someone about hysteria and paranoia.

      • Dean Bruckner

        That is exactly what will happen, and you will take part in doing it.

        • Gregory Peterson

          My family are Christians. I’m grateful for my Methodist upbringing. I have pastors and missionary relatives. I know what Christianity can be,…and that “conservative” Christianity miss that mark, apparently much preferring the politics of privilege and resentment over actually being good Christians.

          • Gary

            Your theology is as perverted as your sexuality.

          • Gregory Peterson

            How did it make you feel to write that?

          • Gary

            It made me feel right.

          • Gregory Peterson

            I imagine. That warm glow of self-righteousness is so pleasant.

          • Gary

            Agreeing with the Bible is not self-righteousness. Self-righteousness is what you practice. You believe God approves of homosexuality in contradiction to what is written in the Bible.

          • Gregory Peterson

            The Bible says nothing about a Victorian era, much abused scientific attempt at a taxonomy of sexuality.

          • m-nj

            spoken like the true offspring of a liberal, unorthhodox, mainline denomnation. and BTW… your denomination just voted to pause all further rule changes legitimizing ordnation of gays, gay marriage, etc. at their annual meeting (by God’s grace must still be a little bit of Holy Spirit conviction alive there) … so … you are even out of step with your own denomination in your oh so open-minded thinking.

          • Gregory Peterson

            That action was a disgrace and makes me ashamed of the moral cowardliness my denomination.

          • Beach Bro

            All gays are cowards, so who are you to judge?

          • Gregory Peterson

            Right…people who created a worldwide liberation movement in the face of severe oppression for a couple of hundred million people, are cowards.

            You have no idea about bravery, integrity, authenticity and honor.

          • Beach Bro

            Wow, a lecture on “integrity” from a homosexual, the people who gave the world 600,000 dead bodies from AIDS.

            The queens of virtue and morality, murdering each other with viruses.

            Crawl back into your sewer, cockroach.

          • Dean Bruckner

            Methodism is, unfortunately, almost unhinged from Christianity in the U.S. Hillary Climton is a Methodist, she says, and she is the nation’s second most influential advocate for chopping beautifupreborn human babies, alive and without anesthesia, into pieces and selling their parts like some chop shop in downtown Detroit. Someone like that will do ANYTHING.

          • Gregory Peterson

            I suggest smelling salts, a fainting spell and a therapist on speed dial.

          • Gregory Peterson

            You’ll believe anything, say absolutely anything, to control women through their sexuality, won’t you?

  • Dwight Welch

    “of professing Christians who call for the death penalty for practicing homosexuals do not call for their murder”. I see. As a gay man that brings me no comfort

    • ymhayuociotlc .

      You left out the “miniscule, fringe minority”, of professing… But you probably did that on purpose. It bring’s you no comfort that they are the tiny crazy minority?

    • scotty5O1

      Christians are not killing gays.
      Muslims are killing gays.

      Also, the Orlando shooter was gay.

      • Jeanette Victoria ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

        Apparently that is just anther false narrative

        “NBC reported that, contrary to witnesses who say Mateen was a regular at
        the gay bar where he killed 49 and wounded more than 50, and those who
        say Mateen used a dating app popular among gay men, the FBI says it has
        no evidence Mateen was same-sex attracted. The agency claims Mateen was
        on dating websites for women even as he was married to his second wife.”

  • Linda Lee Davidson

    Others who are within the evangelical community have taken a different perspective on this. For example, see the June 16 Christian Post article on Joel Hunter’s comments. It is entirely appropriate that a given Christian community decide on the basis of their theology and interpretation of Scripture as to what extent they will include/exclude members of the LGBTQ community. But that is where the line should lie. Similarly, one would not expect Christian churches to marry people of other faiths, non-faith or even of another denomination and, as far as I know has been a non-issue in considering religious freedom. But Christians cannot limits the rights of all of those people in a civil arena because they believe differently. If you believe that Scripture is clear on homosexuality, then you must also take Paul at his literal word in Romans 13: 1-7. Toxicity is perceived when some Christians insist that gays can be treated differently in a public arena, or in seeking to repeal civil rights accorded to gays. Toxicity is perceived and understood by both sides when the word abomination can be used to talk about people who are gay. Jesus said ‘love your enemy’.

    • Ann T. Lib

      Who is treating them differently? If a professing Christian is treating ANYONE mean or “hating” on ANYONE, they are not a Christian. Plain and simple. I honestly don’t know a Christian that has ill will toward any gay people…what’s being perceived is if you say you stand on Gods word, you are automatically labeled a bigot.

      • Gregory Peterson

        Pobrecito!

        …what self pitying, self righteous blather.

        • Ann T. Lib

          Yeh. Right… at this point I have to agree with Gary ‘ s post….

        • brothergc

          why are you here ? Is it to respectfuly debate or to troll Christians ? This is a Christian blog their are places that do support Your views

          • Gregory Peterson

            Why would you think critics of discrimination, defamation and unearned privilege being justified by abusing scripture to boast of your superiority over minority people, can’t be Christians?

      • Gary

        I have much ill will toward sodomites, and their supporters. Those people hate God, and Christians, and are trying to pervert the country. But my ill will is nothing compared to the ill will God has for them.

    • Gary

      Sodomite is a Biblical term for homosexual. They are people. But wicked ones.

      • Linda Lee Davidson

        Just curious because I think I have a better than average familiarity with Scripture. Where is Sodomite used as a biblical term for homosexual?

        • Gary

          All in the Old Testament. King James Version.
          Deuteronomy 23:17
          1 Kings 14:24, 15:12, 22:46
          2 Kings 23:7

          • Linda Lee Davidson

            A word used in a highly specific and situational context associated with pagan worship and prostitution. Hence, a pejorative term. (Like referring to women as Jezebels or harlots or men as perverts.)

          • Gary

            It gets the point across.

          • Gregory Peterson

            It get’s the quality of your character across, anyway.

          • Gary

            Thank you.

  • Gregory Peterson

    “We have simply said that God designed men for women and women for men..blah blah blah” What condescending, self righteous blather.

    Of course teleology has never been Christian dogma, and in America, had long been used for racist purposes by conservative Protestants of past eras. Now you’re using it for homophobic purposes, to privilege yourself at the expense of others. That’s real white of you.

    And you wonder why people question your morality and think that you should change your self-privileging erroneous beliefs on sexuality and teleology.

    If God designed you, you should file a lawsuit against God as your moral compass is obviously flawed.

    You make money reviling LGBT people. You have made yourself into a professional hate monger opposing America’s highest ideal of equality under the law. That’s simply disgraceful behavior.

    You have opposed treating law abiding minority adults as…law abiding minority adults equal under the law with other law abiding adults. Conservative Christians are perverting the concept of ‘religious liberty’ into an exclusive conservative Christian privilege to capriciously discriminate against minority people with impunity…and then on top of that, whine pitifully about righteous criticism. You are directly culpable in the creation of a climate of animus and backlash towards LGBT and Muslim people.

    • davidrev17

      And rather tragically, my friend, you couldn’t possibly be any more deceived than you’re clearly demonstrating. (2 Corinthians 4:3-6)

      However, the Lord Yeshua/Jesus has the only remedy for your spiritually darkened, and hopelessly “lost” condition – just like the rest of humanity is – “without Christ.” If you will, please read my personal testimony just above, and maybe you can answer that perennially perplexing question about which I’d asked?

      So I truly hope you’ll consider the eternal advantages of coming-in-to-agreement with what Almighty God has to say, not only about sin itself – but its unfathomable eternal consequences, if not genuinely “repented” of! (Romans 3:19-26; 6:23; 10:9-10)

      • Gregory Peterson

        Just whom is “lost?” Me, or people who think they’re morally, spiritually, physically, intellectually superior to minority adults because they claim that God has told them so in their self-privileging, selective biased scavenging of scripture?

        Didn’t American go down that road before, and found it to be wanting?

        And your use of petty and pathetic extortion…sigh.”Do as I say or God will see to it that you will regret it.” I mean…really.

        • Dean Bruckner

          Strawman.

        • Dean Bruckner

          Jesus heard that the Pharisees had thrown the man out of the synagogue. When Jesus found him, he said, “Do you believe in the Son of Man?”

          “Who is he, sir?” the man asked. “Tell me, so I can believe in him.”

          Jesus said, “You have now seen him. In fact, he is the one speaking with you.”

          Then the man said, “Lord, I believe.” And he worshiped him.

          Jesus said, “I have come into this world to judge it. I have come so that people who are blind will see. I have come so that people who can see will become blind.”

          Some Pharisees who were with him heard him say this. They asked, “What? Are we blind too?”

          Jesus said, “If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin. But since you claim you can see, you remain guilty.

          –John’s Gospel, chapter 9.

    • brothergc

      wow realy ? God did make Men to be with women and vice versa . If You cant see that from a biological prespective You had to have help to misunderstand .

      • Jeanette Victoria ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

        And I bet he uses “science” to support his fallacies

    • Steven

      Are you saying that man knows more about sexuality than God does? you have to be kidding. God is the giver of sexuality and did make the man for the woman and vice versa. Dr.Brown does not have to change anything, it is these deceived people who need to do the changing

      • Gregory Peterson

        Nevertheless, Dr. Brown’s teleology, the argument from design, has serious short comings. This is hardly a new criticism that I just invented. The concept goes back to ancient Greeks, and scientists have not found it useful since Francis Bacon’s time.

        God certainly would know more about sexuality than I do…but, even I know more than the self-privileging, willful and carefully cultivated ignorance of people like Dr. Brown. Granted it was awhile ago, but at least I have a degree in sociology. I know what a reliable source looks like.

        God didn’t make either Adam or Eve. Neither did a sexist god make woman to be a man’s helpmate. The story is a wonderful exploration of human nature, a fantastic peek into ancient minds, just plain great literature, but it is not a guide to modern sexology.

        We’re all in this together. While people weren’t “designed” for each other, as very social creatures, we live for each other or we die alone. Gay people can live in love, and ideally, that is just what people do.

        And, dying alone is apparently what the religious right wants for Gay people.

        • Dean Cameron

          Also, after thousands of years of contemplation, study, and conversation, we actually know very little about God, or what God may be.
          This is why we must depend on “Belief”.

          • Gregory Peterson

            The Swiss theologian/philosopher Hans Küng more or less put it, if memory serves, as having trust that there is a reality that we call God.

          • Dean Bruckner

            Please reconsider. God has revealed himself through his word, the Bible, and through his Son, Jesus Christ. As Ravi Zacharias says, the problem is not the absence of evidence, but the suppression of it.

            Yes, it’s true that God does require belief. But it’s a reasonable belief, founded in eyewitness accounts of supernatural events, the greatest being the bodily resurrection of Jesus Christ. A man who can rise from the dead, he can do anything.

        • Patmos

          “Neither did a sexist god make woman to be a man’s helpmate.”

          So you’re saying you know nothing about the Bible, and are locked into the shifting winds of academia, forever learning and never coming to the knowledge of the truth?

          Well, thanks for sharing! I hope one day the scales are removed from your eyes.

          • Gregory Peterson

            Academia is a fun gig. It doesn’t pay enough, but it’s fun.

            Academia, forever learning and coming ever closer to understanding reality.

          • Dean Bruckner

            The Bible describes it as “ever learning but never coming to a knowledge of the truth.” Your word against God’s. You will learn nothing until you humble yourself, Gregory.

          • Beach Bro

            Academia is for effeminate losers who could never hold a job in the private sector. They want tenure because they are lazy and worthless leeches. Gays go into academia because they know that emptyheaded pimply-faced boys desperate for an A will blow the ugly old lisping professor, even though they know he is hideous.

          • Gregory Peterson

            Well then…pray that you’ll never have intelligent, curious children who love to learn.

          • Beach Bro

            Two gays can’t have children. Only a man and woman can have children.
            So you’re not equal to normal people.
            Never will be.
            We create babies. You create viruses. Your diseased bodies don’t incubate human life, your bodies are petri dishes that breed plague that kill thousands of human beings.
            We make life. You make death.
            How’s that “equal” thing working out for you? See if you can force the Supreme Court to make you start giving birth instead of breeding plagues in your holes.

          • Gregory Peterson

            Gay people can reproduce. They’re just less likely to do it accidentally, unlike heterosexuals carelessly bringing unwanted and unloved children into a world made more calloused and cruel, dooming them to an unhappy, less healthy and meager life by the likes of you.

          • Gregory Peterson

            Gay couples can use the same tried and true ways to have children that infertile couples had always used, or go with new techniques.

            Small communities often have their own health problems. For instance, I have a genetic disease more common among Scandinavians and Northern Europeans than with other ethnic groups.

            Add the burden of minority stress created by people such as yourself and Dr. Brown, and you have a minority population more given to a dangerous sense of fatalism, which can lead to ‘live for the moment’ behaviors that impact your future in negative ways. The Gay community is hardly the only minority group with that sort of dangerous, soul destroying, minority stress problem.

          • Gregory Peterson

            I know Genesis fairly well, having studied it many times.

            The difference is that I don’t read it “literally” (read: I don’t scavenge it for clobber verses that privilege myself at the expense of others.)

        • davidrev17

          “Biology is the study of complicated things that give the appearance of having been designed for a purpose.” {Richard Dawkins, The Blind Watchmaker, 1986, p. 1}

          “Biologists must constantly keep in mind that what they see was not designed, but rather evolved.” {The late Nobel laureate & vociferous atheist, Francis Crick, “What Mad Pursuit,” 1990, p. 138.}

          * * *

          Once again Gregory, you couldn’t possibly be any more misinformed (or wrong) in your opinionated speculation. “Teleological/Design Arguments” are robustly alive-and-well in 21st-century science; whose prolific evidence can be found in an explosion of related books on the topic, since the turn-of-this-century – and well before. (e.g., Lucky Planet, Alone in the Universe, Rare Earth, Just Six Numbers, Privileged Planet, Mind and Cosmos, Cosmic Coincidences, The Fifth Miracle, The Eerie Silence; and that small sampling doesn’t even scratch-the-surface.)

          And quotations such as those above by eminent atheistic scientists re: the obvious implications/inferences to design throughout nature, could be multiplied ad nauseam; especially with regard to the recent (some 40-50 years) explosion of cutting-edge, scientific “Fine Tuning” evidence in various disciplines such as cosmology, quantum mechanics, physics, astrophysics, geophysics, astrobiology, biochemistry/molecular biology – i.e., specifically in areas such as the Origin of Life, and the development of biological complexity – and its “informational” content within the DNA molecule referred to as “complex-specified information.”

          (Please note that the scientifically valid, thus rational/logical “Inference to Mind” throughout nature, here in the 21st-century, can only be resisted by individuals of whom are “a priori” [faith-based] devoted, to highly irrational religious belief systems such as atheism; hence the philosophical speculation [or add-on’s] above, by the likes of Crick, Dawkins et al.)

          Plus “Design Arguments” themselves – like the “Abductive Reasoning” employed in the historical sciences, i.e., “The Inference to the Best Explanation” (IBE) – have been a staple of “SETI” research for the last 50-plus years, as well as in work on the Rosetta Stone, Insurance Fraud investigation, forensic science, and even Charles Darwin’s magnum opus, “On the Origin of Species.”

          If you intend to debate with WE right-wing, flat-earth believing, bible-thumping, intellectual simpleton evangelical Christians on this blog, it might be best if you actually had some rational understanding, or working knowledge, of the subjects upon which you’re pontificating??? Have a very blessed day sir!

          • Gregory Peterson

            Right…and God designed the universe so that it would produce Nobel Prize winning research that came up with effective treatment for my once deadly genetic disease… just for me.

          • davidrev17

            “Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come. All this is from God, who through Christ reconciled us to himself and gave us the ministry of reconciliation; that is, in Christ God was reconciling the world to himself, not counting their trespasses against them, and entrusting to us the message of reconciliation. Therefore, we are ambassadors for Christ, God making his appeal through us. We implore you on behalf of Christ, be reconciled to God. For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.” (2 Corinthians 5:17-21/ESV)

            Shalom Mr. Peterson!

          • Cowboy

            Yes HE did – HE gave the researchers the wisdom and knowledge for that very treatment.

          • Gregory Peterson

            So…pay no attention to those who came before me…and died slow, very, very horrible deaths because God likes me better.

            But not enough to have spared me the disease in the first place.

          • davidrev17

            Almighty God is NOT the “spiritual genie” for humanity that WE demand He operate as; nor is He the “cosmic vending machine,” or “spiritual Santa Claus” mankind wishes (by faith alone) that God would act like – for our benefit alone.

            He IS the morally perfect, self-existent, transcendent, personal, wholly sovereign Creator & Sustainer of ALL that “contingently exists” – including you Mr. Peterson. And He will not bow-the-knee to any of His creatures; because in the final analysis, “every [created human] knee will bow, and every tongue will confess, that [Yeshua] Jesus is Lord, to the glory of God the Father” – including you as well. Count on it!

            I just hope & pray you actually wind-up doing exactly that one day, “on this side” – thus spending eternity in “the new heavens and earth” – while you still have His breath [Ruach] in you, keeping you alive!

          • Gregory Peterson

            Speaking of the Nobel Prize, I’m with Archbishop Tutu who refuses to worship a homophobic God and who would rather go to “the other place” than go to homophobic heaven.

            Fortunately, unlike you, the Archbishop worships God; the God that doesn’t exist just to religiously sanction homophobia. You should try it someday.

          • Dean Bruckner

            Unfortunately, you’re on that road. The road that “seems right to a man, but it ends in death.”

          • Gary

            Tutu does not worship the God of the Bible. Neither do you. And both of you are going to “the other place” rather than to Heaven.

          • Gregory Peterson

            Good….we’ll be free from perpetually aggrieved white men and their politics of privilege and resentment.

            And as bonus, the Archbishop is delightful company.

          • Cowboy

            I pity you.

          • Gregory Peterson

            I pity LGBT people who believe what their homophobic pastors and denominations teach them.

          • Dean Bruckner

            God gave you life. You owe him thanks, and praise, and glory.

  • davidrev17

    I “came” to the Lord Yeshua/Jesus for eternal salvation some 20-years ago, to have my “sins washed away” (Revelation 1:5), as a horribly degenerate, 41 year-old HETEROSEXUAL male – fresh out of a divorce as well; of whom had been involved in the murder of five (5) innocent UNborn members of the species $@?” sapiens, through abortion, in my earlier years.

    I am still UNmarried since my conversion to Christianity, after my divorce in (1996), and have struggled mightily to remain celibate and/or sexually pure, in the eyes of Almighty God, ever since; quite naturally, because heterosexual activity outside the bonds of marriage, is clearly viewed as being sinful throughout the Judeo-Christian Scriptures.

    I’ve now been celibate for almost 17 & 1/2 years. Will someone please show me in the Holy Scriptures, where it’s plainly taught that people struggling with same-sex attractions (both male & female) somehow receive the proverbial “pass” from God, in this area of human sexual behavior – while heterosexual individuals MUST, for some unknown reason, remain celibate until marriage? After all, I was “born” a heterosexual male too??

    So for all those struggling with the biblical “truth” that same-sex behavior, either male or female, is indeed regarded as SINful in the eyes of an infinitely Holy God – including those struggling with the “truth” that heterosexual “fornication” outside the covenantal bonds of marriage is sinful too – perhaps you should consider the powerfully illuminating words of the Lord Yeshua/Jesus; as to just whether or not you’ve genuinely “come to the light” [of the world] – whereby one’s “wicked deeds,” or “evil works,” are ultimately “exposed” to the “heart” of one’s self, in the process?

    * * *

    “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God. And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil. For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed. But whoever does what is true comes to the light, so that it may be clearly seen that his works have been carried out in God.” (John/Yochanon 3:16-21/ESV)

    “Therefore, if anyone is IN Christ, he [she] is a new creation. The old has passed away; behold, the new has come.” (2 Corinthians 5:17) My emphasis.

  • Cowboy

    It amazes me the amount of hate that is spoken against Christians on a Christian web site. We need to love these people and pray for these people. Also if they don’t like our beliefs why are they so interested in coming and reading and commenting with such hate. I don’t go looking for sites I don’t agree with just to post derogatory comments.

  • DanH

    658,507 Americans dead from AIDS. Who infected them with AIDS? It wasn’t the Christians.

    • Gary

      But according to the lgbtq, if Christians really cared about people dying from AIDS, they would endorse homosexuality.

      • Gregory Peterson

        You don’t “endorse homosexuality,” that’s just bigot speak.

        If you really cared about AIDS, you wouldn’t be creating homophobic minority stress that pushes people into a dangerous sense of fatalism which makes caring about yourself and your future very difficult.

        Not to mention that racists used very a similar argument to justify segregation…that if you cared about Black people, you “endorsed” STDs and “mongrelization.”

        • Carlo

          Christians don’t give you AIDS, you moron, gays give each other AIDS.

          You people are dense. You pretend like you don’t know how you get AIDS. Nice people never get AIDS, promiscuous drug-users get AIDS.

          • Gregory Peterson

            It’s not Christians who give people AIDS. However, the minority stress that conservative Christians create pushes people into a dangerous state of fatalism that encourages a sense that anything you do doesn’t matter because you’re doomed anyway…that society doesn’t care about you….that even God turns away from you because of what you are.

            And that’s something that conservative white Christians have been doing since…perhaps the Fourth Century, when European Christianity stopped being the persecuted faith, and started becoming the persecuting faith.

            Certainly white conservative Evangelicals have perfected the creation of minority stress since it gained critical mass in the 1830s.

            Toni Morrison explains minority stress in “Beloved.”

            ‘That anybody white could take your whole self for anything that came to mind. Not just work, kill, or maim you, but dirty you. Dirty you so bad you couldn’t like yourself anymore. Dirty you so bad you forgot who you were and couldn’t think it up.’

            This is something that some of my Gay friends experienced from their own Christian denominations….that they were dirtied so bad that they couldn’t like themselves anymore.

            Or this by Frederick Douglass on his slave master in his ‘NARRATIVE OF THE LIFE OF FREDERICK DOUGLASS.”

            “Prior to his conversion, he relied upon his own depravity to shield and sustain him in his savage barbarity; but after his conversion, he found religious sanction and support for his slaveholding cruelty. He made the greatest pretensions to piety….”

            Which sounds like Dr. Brown, who upon his conversion, found his calling in championing the cruelty of religiously sanctioned homophobia.

          • Stonecold Buckwheat

            LGBT people champion the cruelty of secularly sanctioned Christophobia

          • Gregory Peterson

            “Projecting,” are we?

            Why would a group that’s been endlessly defamed and discriminated against by “conservative” Christians have warm feelings towards them?

            Why would you think that criticizing people who endless defame others and demand a special privilege to discriminate against, and segregate a minority group against their will are being Christophobic?

        • Gary

          If I can create stress for sodomites, I am happy to do so. But it would be nothing compared to the stress God is going to put on them.

          • Gregory Peterson

            I take that as a pathetic, posturing threat to encourage harm to innocent people.

          • Gary

            I never encourage harm to innocent people.

          • Gregory Peterson

            I would question your judgement on what are or aren’t “innocent people.”

          • Gregory Peterson

            Then you have the blood of LGBT victims on your hands…

          • Gary

            Not a problem.

      • Ken M

        Of course.
        Everyone knows that the HIV virus would die immediately if all churches hung rainbow flags over steeple.

        There is no problem in gays’ lives that can’t be linked to evil Christians.

  • Kathy Verbiest Baldock

    The Outrageous Attack of Conservative Christians before the Orlando Massacre

  • Patmos

    The delusion of the left is STRONG.

    And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie.

    • Liz Litts

      the biggest delusion is that if you don’t approve of everything i do you ‘hate me’ . i don’t approve nor will i accept theft, murder, child abuse or any other sin–so does it stand to reason that i ‘hate’ theives, murders, child abusers and other sinners/ as people–does this make sense–

    • Matt Stark

      Funny, I figured if God was all he is cracked up to be then he would send them clarity and truth being that Satan himself is known as lord of lies (since sending someone “delusion” is equivalent to sending them lies it makes me wonder what God you are actually worshiping if you believe that…)
      YOU MIGHT BE PRAYING TO THE WRONG ONE WITHOUT REALIZING IT MY FRIEND.

  • Bananas

    A devout Muslim shoots 100 people, says he’s doing it in the name of Allah, and secularists blame Christians. Mental illness. No other explanation.

    • Gregory Peterson

      Conservative Christians are to blame for the dangerous climate of animus towards LGBT people. Rather than reflect upon that, they whine that they’re being persecuted for the criticism of their advocacy of discrimination and defamation.

    • Dean Bruckner

      Moral and spiritual illness.

      You can read about it in the Apostle Paul’s letter to the first century church at Rome, the depraved Washington DC of its day. It’s in the New Testament of the Bible. Chapter one charts the moral and spiritual decay of the Progressives of our day (like other previous failed cultures) and their part in suppressing the truth about God and humanity.

      As Ravi Zacharias says, the problem is not the absence of evidence but the suppression of it. But if you’re a Progressive, it’s what you do.

      • Gregory Peterson

        You should remember that Paul didn’t write his letters divided into chapters. For that matter, he didn’t use punctuation or even put spaces in between the words.

        Chapter One is not separate from Chapter two. Chapter one flowed seamlessly into chapter two. I suggest that you now read chapter two.

        Ravi Zacharias, as near as I can tell, is a sellout to people of color. He seems to have internalized the slightly whitewashed white theology of American Evangelicalism, and is channeling his obvious self-hatred into homophobia, building himself up by tearing LGBT people down. Truly a pathetic person.

        In that, he’s sort of like Dr. Brown himself, an ethnic minority person who bought into white theology, and is diverting his addictive personality and self hatred into an unholy propaganda war against LGBT people.

        • Gary

          Without becoming irrational, it is not possible to read the Bible and conclude that homosexuality is moral.

          • Gregory Peterson

            It is not possible to know the religious, historical, cultural and intratexual contexts of the Bible and conclude that it says anything for or against, today’s mutually consenting, loving, same-sex adult couples.

            Only people who come to the text with ill will already in their hearts will conclude what you have concluded.

            Loving another, and taking mutual responsibility for the care and comfort of each other, is not immoral.

          • Gary

            Nonsense. The Bible is crystal clear that what we now call homosexuality is condemned by God in every context.

          • Gregory Peterson

            Very little is “crystal clear” in the Bible. I don’t find many of what is today’s loving, mutually consensual adult relationships in the Bible, same-sex or other-sex.

          • brothergc

            what a load of crap !!

          • Gregory Peterson

            Well, you show me the marriages in the Bible that were initially made by mutually consenting adults. I can think of one possible marriage, off hand, but I won’t tell you want it is. Let’s see if you can find it…and maybe more.

            Sure there were loving adult relationships, such as with Sarah and Abraham…but as was likely with them, they usually didn’t start out that way. Love and adult consent were not prerequisites for marriage.

            Actually, come to think of it, we maybe don’t know if Sarah loved Abraham as much as he obviously loved her, though I hope she did.

          • brothergc

            I disagree it is possible just takes some research , Maybe you should consider posting at a blog that supports your views , plenty of LBGT blogs available

          • Gregory Peterson

            Sure there are…but opposition sharpens my arguments.

          • 1Myles1

            You’re full of it, old troll.

            The only one impressed by you is you. Your “arguments” are just compost piles of vapid left-wing cliches. You don’t have thought, just knee-jerks. Homosexuals think with their crotches, they are incapable of rational thought.

          • Gregory Peterson

            Lovely. You must be the life of every party.

          • Gregory Peterson

            Dismissing minority people, real or perceived, as being incapable of rational thought and who only “think with their crotches,” has been done before by earlier generations of “conservative” Christians.

  • Matt Stark

    It’s no “theological mystery” when you have numerous pastors (mainly baptist of course, nothing shocking there…) condoning and congratulating the shooter and saying things like “I only wish he took out more…. and so on and so forth, why wouldn’t there be a backlash after such hcateful, non-christian audacity, with such hate and lack of compassion coming from the mouths of people who preach God and a religion which is SUPPOSEDLY (supposedly being the key word and key contradiction) based on love, hope and faith? How can any intelligent being not understand the backlash at that point?

    • DanH

      Most Christians do not approve of the shooting, so your post is stupid.

  • Ryan

    The most bigoted people I know, are those calling everyone who doesn’t believe in the LGBTQ agenda, bigots.

    • DanH

      When you hear people who use the terms “hate” and “bigots” all the time, you can bet your boots they are world-class haters and bigots themselves. I don’t know any Christians who hate gays, but I sure know gays who hate Christians.

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