Did Mike Pence Ask a ‘Fake Rabbi’ to Pray for the Synagogue Victims?

Messianic Rabbi Loren Jacobs prayed at a rally in Michigan for the 11 people killed at Tree of Life Synagogue.

By Michael Brown Published on October 31, 2018

Did Vice President Pence make a serious error in judgment by asking a Messianic Jewish rabbi to pray for the victims of the synagogue massacre at a Detroit political rally? Did he pour salt in the wounds of an already-traumatized community?

Headlines across the nation answered with a resounding Yes.

  • “Mike Pence Is Under Fire for Appearing with a Fake Rabbi to Commemorate the Pittsburgh Shooting” (GQ)
  • “Mike Pence Causes Outrage With ‘Christian Rabbi’ (ATT)
  • “Pence sets off firestorm with campaign prayer by ‘Christian rabbi’” (NBC)
  • “Honoring Pittsburgh synagogue victims, Pence appears with ‘rabbi’ who preaches ‘Jesus is the Messiah’” (Washington Post)
  • “Rabbi With ‘Jews for Jesus’ Gives Prayer at Pence Rally, Causing Backlash” (New York Times)
  • “Outrage as Pence brings out Messianic ‘rabbi’ to pray for synagogue victims” (Times of Israel)

To sort this out, let’s meet the main players in the latest (certainly unintended) drama involving the Trump administration and the tragic synagogue shooting.

The Main Players

We all know Mike Pence, a committed and unashamed evangelical Christian.

Then, there’s Lena Epstein, a Reform (= liberal) Jew and a Republican candidate in Michigan.

Then there is the rabbi (or do we say “rabbi”?), Loren Jacobs, leader of the Messianic Jewish Congregation Shema Yisrael.

It turns out that Epstein had invited Jacobs to offer a prayer earlier in the rally, part of her desire to be ecumenical in her outreach.

Pence, for his part, heard Jacobs pray and asked him to come out later in the night and offer a prayer for the families of the Pittsburgh massacre.

And Jacobs, for his part, prayed openly in “Yeshua’s name” – also invoking “Jesus the Messiah.” (Yeshua is the original, Hebrew pronunciation of the name Jesus. It is widely used by Messianic Jews, who often refer to him by his Hebrew name.)

Finally, there is the wider Jewish community, which expressed surprise, disappointment, and outrage over the choice to have Jacobs pray. In their eyes, while he may still be Jewish (some would dispute that), he does not practice Judaism and he is not a valid rabbi. And as a Messianic Jew, he also believes that Jews need Jesus to be “saved.” Why on earth choose him to lead a prayer for the Jewish community?

As a Messianic Jew myself, I think I can offer some helpful insights.

An Error in Judgement

First, it was definitely a mistake for Vice President Pence to ask Jacobs to pray for the Pittsburgh Jewish community. My assumption is that it was an innocent error on his part.

Given his love for Israel and the Jewish people, I can’t imagine that he would intentionally offend American Jews. (Actually, he offended Jews around the world.)

This was confirmed by a Pence spokesperson, who stated that “he did not know Rabbi Loren Jacobs of the Messianic congregation Shema Yisrael, when he called him onto the stage to offer a prayer for the victims. … ”

Either way, I fully understand the reaction of the wider Jewish community. In their eyes, this was beyond insensitive. All clear.

Second, it was commendable, albeit unwise, for Lena Epstein to invite Jacobs to play a public role in the event.

I say it was commendable because she and Jacobs are both Jews, and she did not let their very real faith differences divide them.

In response to the backlash against her, she said, according to the Washington Post, that “her Jewish faith was ‘beyond question’ and accused ‘any media or political competitor who is attacking me or the Vice President’ of ‘religious intolerance.’” But the post added: “She said she was a member of Temple Beth El, a Reform synagogue in Bloomfield Hills, yet didn’t explain why she had invited the leader of the Messianic synagogue to the campaign event.”

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She also said: “I am proud of my faith and look forward to serving as the only Jewish Republican woman in Congress.”

Still, if she wanted to be ecumenical, it would have been better for her to invite a Christian clergyman to pray rather than a Messianic Jewish rabbi.

Again, this was an error on her part. But since she herself is Jewish, here too, I cannot imagine she intended to provoke or offend.

Displays of Arrogance and of Authenticity

Third, some of the Jewish reaction to Pence’s actions was over the top, ugly, and uncalled for. This tweet from a liberal female rabbi, Danya Ruttenberg, said it all: “Dear Pence, please give up the pretense of Jewish presence. You are a Christian supremacist. We know that, you know that.

“Also we will defeat you.

“But in the meantime, just stop pretending and appropriating my people.”

This is disrespectful, false, and even arrogant.

Fourth, Loren Jacobs did exactly what you would expect a Messianic Jewish rabbi to do in a public setting: He was himself. He prayed openly in the name of Yeshua-Jesus. There was no duplicity and no effort to hide his identity.

Like it or not, that’s called being transparent. He’s not a traditional rabbi and he did not allow anyone to mistake him for one. Nor was he ashamed to let everyone know that he believes that Jesus-Yeshua is the Messiah of Israel and the Savior of the world.

A Sect of Judaism

Fifth, Messianic Jews are Jews.

The New York Times actually stated that “the sect of Judaism [Jacobs] represents, Messianic Judaism, is viewed by some critics as a threat to the religion.” But note: The Times referred to Messianic Judaism as a “sect” of Judaism, which is how things started in the beginning.

In other words, the first followers of Jesus were all Jews, and they believed that he was the promised Messiah of Israel. Their fellow-Jews recognized them as Jews, followers of a new sect of Judaism (see Acts 24:5, 14; 28:22).

It was only later, when most of Jesus’ followers were Gentiles, when Easter had taken the place of Passover, and when Trinitarian beliefs were considered heretical, that these Jewish followers of Jesus were largely excluded from their Jewish communities.

But, to repeat: The first followers of Jesus-Yeshua, all of them Jews, were fully accepted as Jews by their contemporaries.

As for today, to be totally candid, there was a lot of superficiality in the early days of the modern Messianic Jewish movement (dating back to 40-50 years ago)

It was led by born-again Christians of Jewish extract who wanted to recover their Jewish roots and tell their people, “You can be Jewish and believe in Jesus!” And in some ways, it simply added Jewish traditions and practices to traditional Christian beliefs.

But over the years, the movement has demonstrated its commitment to preserving Jewish identity, to the point that: 1) many Messianic Jews have made aliyah to Israel; 2) the children of these Israeli Messianic Jews serve in the IDF; 3) they are often more observant than the bulk of the Israeli population, which is predominantly secular.

On True Jewishness and True Judaism

This holds true in the United States as well, where members of Messianic Jewish congregations are often more observant than their liberal Jewish friends and families. (By “more observant,” I refer to things like Sabbath observance and following the Torah calendar.) And their Jewishness is very important to them.

As noted by Prof. David J. Rudolph, “The 1990 National Jewish Population Survey (NJPS) interviewed a broad spectrum of the American Jewish community, including Messianic Jews. One survey question asked: ‘Is being Jewish very important in your life?’ According to the findings, 100% of all Messianic Jews interviewed said ‘Yes’ to the survey question. This was higher than any other Jewish group interviewed, including Orthodox (77%), Conservative (58%), Reform (40%), and Reconstructionist (49%).”

In contrast with this, NBC News noted that “Messianic Judaism, which believes that Jesus is the messiah and considers the New Testament to be authentic, is not recognized as Jewish by any mainstream Jewish movement in the United States or by the Chief Rabbinate, the supreme spiritual authority for Judaism in Israel.”

Ironically, it appears that Alex Johnson, who wrote the NBC article, was unaware that the Chief Rabbinate of Israel, which is ultra-Orthodox, does not recognize Reform or Conservative Judaism as authentic Judaism. In fact, as reported by the Jewish Forward, “Israel’s Ashkenazi chief rabbi came under fire on Sunday for refusing to acknowledge in a newspaper interview that the massacre in Pittsburgh was carried out in a synagogue.”

Rather, he referred to the synagogue as “a place with a profound Jewish flavor.” But to him, it was not a synagogue because it was not Orthodox.

Standing With Fellow Jews

Not only so, but many rabbis do recognize Messianic Jews as Jews. They simply do not recognize Messianic Judaism as an authentic branch of Judaism, nor do they see faith in Jesus in keeping with authentic Jewish faith.

For those wishing to delve further into these subjects, please allow me to recommend my book The Real Kosher Jesus as well as this 5-minute video which answers the question, “How Did the Church Get Cut Off from Its Jewish Roots?

In sum, while inviting a Messianic Jewish rabbi to pray for the Pittsburgh victims at a major political rally was certainly an error in judgment, something positive can come out of it. Specifically, as fellow-Jews, we can sit down and discuss our differences, but we will do so as fellow-Jews.

After all, the same demented murderer who shouted, “All Jews must die!” at the Conservative synagogue in Pittsburgh would have the same vitriolic hatred for people like Jacobs and me. Our faith in Jesus-Yeshua has only deepened our solidarity with our people.

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  • Howard Rosenbaum

    I am a believer. I have a lineage that while perhaps not recognized by the chief rabbinate as authentic judiaism ( not of the orthodox persuasion ) is recognized by God as such. More importantly though is how God recognizes me now . “ Niether Jew nor gentile “ – but “ a new creation in Christ Jesus” .
    Sure ,” we’re in the world “ . Sure there is much to be addressed from the cultural , political & religious framework with which we have to do . Yet it comes as no surprise that those from a world ( view ) diametrically opposed to the reality of new covenant truth both can’t & wont embrace it. For that to happen one would have to be willing to admit the error of their ways.
    Yeah, that’s a hard thing to do. Perhaps the greatest gift God made available to this “crooked generation “ then is repentance . So, did Mike Pence ask a “fake” rabbi to pray …?
    Well , that depends on who is answering that question. Doesn’t it ….?

    • The new group you mention would be Catholics in Good standing with the Chuch, which you are neither. Though apparently you think claiming the Authority of the Church for yourself in internet comments is a real alternative.

      I do not think that you are a “spiritual member” of a Covenant that was fulfilled and abolished almost 2000 years before you were born. If someone told you that, they were selling you a totalitarian system hidden behind a Christian heresy.

      This belief you show is repeated quite a lot on this site now. Apparently it is something prots actually believe. Reminds me of how the soviets would enforce most strictly the rules of communism that were the most absurd.

      • Howard Rosenbaum

        I would prefer to find some redemptive value in my reply to your take on all things perceived by you to be lacking in catholicity . Yet with a tag ending in the word “ teapot” I find it somewhat difficult to take your comments seriously ….

        • m-nj

          Nigel will have all the pure “catholicity” he wants when he ends up in eternal torment with the rest of the “true Catholics”.

          • Howard Rosenbaum

            Well now, there are two sides of that road with which to find a ditch deep enough to accommodate any who would choose to fall into it ….

          • By claiming damnation for others, the poor one you are replying to has committed a mortal sin. Actually he committed worse, but it only takes one mortal sin to outright kill your soul and damn you so I will just use that as an example.

            Since he has no way to get rid of that mortal sin, he has just given himself the same fate he wished on billions of others.

            If he does not get a baptism or conversion some time in his life, it will end very poorly for him.

          • m-nj

            You know, this is laughable. Your “church” condemned plenty of people during the Reformation, and has yet to repent of their anathema’s … oh, but I guess that is OK because your popes, etc. are representing Christ Himself in passing judgement … NOT!

            You can keep spouting off, but your false doctrines won;t shake my faith nor assurance that my sins (all of them, past/present/future) are fully and eternally covered by the Blood of the Lamb.

            I encourage you to leave your heretical “church” and come to true forgiveness and eternal life by gace ALONE through faith ALONE according to the scriptures ALONE.

            Soli gratia!
            Soli fide!
            Solid scriptura!
            Soli Deo gloria!

          • So you not only have committed a mortal sin by trying to damn me, but also blapshemed which cries to Heaven for vengeance.

            There is only one way to get into Heaven, and that is through the Church God Himself founded. you have declared that the people in said Church are all damned because your ego says so.

            So therefore by your standard and taking into account reality, no one is in Heaven. That is bs.

            you on the other hand, I can only hope you convert as outside the Church the only thing you can get is limbo outside of damnation, and that is only for those without mortal sin. Since you committed one (and worse) right here, and you have no way to heal mortal sins outside of the Church, you really stepped in it and should be very, VERY worried.

          • Howard Rosenbaum

            So where were you during the Inquisition ?!
            That bunch would have welcomed you with open arms .,!

          • That is a compliment as they were the creators of the detective, evidentiary, due process judicial system as well as counterterrorism.

            Sneering or lying about the Church won’t make it go away.

          • Howard Rosenbaum

            Sounds like the “deep state” of their day. Though not even today’s corrupt political hacks are likely to resort to the level of violence those fellas inflicted upon innocent folk.
            Among them woman & perhaps not a few feeble minded folk as well . All in the service of the pope I suppose …..

          • calumny is a mortal sin. As far as “invincible ignorance,” that is a poor excuse for heresy.

            The Inquision was not violent. I explained what they were, but yet you care more about your rhetoric than you do Truth.

          • m-nj

            You are NOT my Judge, and my Advocate has fully and eternally covered my sins. Furthermore, your false idea of “mortal” sin is unbiblical. But please do continue to spout your foolish Catholic doctrine and expose yourself to ridicule.

          • davidrev1911


            Yeshua-Jesus wisely said, “that out of the abundance of the heart, one’s mouth speaks.” With that in mind, please prayerfully consider the following words.

            ▪ ▪ ▪

            “All Scripture is God breathed [Greek “theopneustos”], and is profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work.”

            (2 Timothy 3:16-17…and at this juncture during the mid-1st century C.E., the very Jewish rabbinical scholar, Sha’ul of Tarsus [Apostle Paul], or Catholicized “St. Paul,” had used the term “scripture” to exclusively identify the Hebrew Bible and/or OT, seeing as though there was NO completed text of the New Covenant [or NT] Scriptures in existence. So the Gospel of Yeshua-Jesus, Israel’s Messiah, was actually derived, thus preached from the text of the OT, or “Septuagint” – which is why the NT is literally filled with quotations, paraphrases, allusions & imagery from the Hebrew Scriptures – containing the still-illuminating Greek translation of the Hebrew Bible, completed some 200-years before Jesus had ever been born of the Jewish virgin Miriam, or Mary.)

            ▪ ▪ ▪

            “There is only one way to get into heaven, and that is through the Church God Himself founded.” (Your words)

            Yet Jesus plainly stated:

            “I am the way, the truth, and the life, and no man [person] will come unto the Father, EXCEPT THROUGH ME.” (Jesus’ unambiguous declaration in John/Yochanon 14:6; see also John 12:44-50, and “St. Paul’s” penetratingly “Christian” defense before Festus & King Agrippa, in Acts 26:1-23.)

            Also, please notice St. Paul’s unambiguous description of the TRUE Church, established by God Himself, of whom – as both St. Peter & St. Paul had clearly testified – Yeshua-Jesus the Messiah was indeed that SOLE “Rock,” or “Chief Cornerstone” etc., upon which the Church would be built by the Lord Jesus alone, as he said so plainly in Matthew 16:18; see also the words of St. Peter in this precise context…1 Peter 2:4-10:

            “Therefore remember that at one time you Gentiles in the flesh, called “the uncircumcision” by what is called the circumcision, which is made in the flesh by hands—remember that you were at that time separated from Christ, alienated from the commonwealth of Israel and strangers to the covenants of promise, having no hope and without God in the world. But now IN Christ Jesus [the TRUE Church, or “ekklesia,” aka the “Body of Christ”], you who once were far off have been brought near by the blood of Christ.

            “For he himself is our peace, who has made us both one and has broken down in his FLESH the dividing wall of hostility by abolishing the law of commandments expressed in ordinances, that he might create IN HIMSELF, ONE NEW MAN in place of the two, so making peace, and might RECONCILE US BOTH TO GOD [i.e., Jew & Gentile “in Christ”], IN ONE BODY THROUGH THE CROSS, thereby killing the hostility. And he came and preached peace to you who were far off and peace to those who were near. For THROUGH HIM WE BOTH HAVE ACCESS IN ONE SPIRIT TO THE FATHER.

            “So then you are no longer strangers and aliens, but you are fellow citizens with the saints and members of the HOUSEHOLD OF GOD, built on the foundation of the [Jewish] apostles and prophets, Christ Jesus himself being THE CORNERSTONE, in whom the whole structure, being joined together, grows into a holy temple in the Lord. In him you also are being built together into a dwelling place for God by the Spirit.” (Ephesians 2:11-22/ESV – emphasis mine.)

            “…for salvation is from the Jews.” (John 4:22)

            Please notice the prophesied description & fulfillment of Jesus’ very words in John 4:22 just below; whose scandalous notion in this day-and-age, God himself will literally abolish, by commemorating for ALL eternity in the “new heavens and new earth” – the biblically demonstrable “Jewish roots” of genuine orthodox Biblical Christianity:

            “Then came one of the seven angels who had the seven bowls full of the seven last plagues and spoke to me, saying, “Come, I will show you the Bride, the wife of the Lamb.” And he carried me away in the Spirit to a great, high mountain, and showed me the holy city Jerusalem coming down out of heaven from God, having the glory of God, its radiance like a most rare jewel, like a jasper, clear as crystal.

            “It had a great, high wall, with twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and on the gates the names of the TWELVE TRIBES OF THE [JEWISH] SONS OF ISRAEL were inscribed—on the east three gates, on the north three gates, on the south three gates, and on the west three gates. And the wall of the city had TWELVE FOUNDATIONS, and on them were the twelve names of the twelve [JEWISH] apostles of the Lamb.” (Revelation 21:9-14/ESV – my emphasis again.)

            ▪ ▪ ▪

            Yet you’ve strangely arrogated to yourself in these posts, a pridefully irresponsible [almost reckless?] INCLUSION within the numbers of those innumerable souls, of whom will inhabit this mind-boggling structure for eternity? How so??

            “Every word of God is purified; he is like a shield for those who take refuge in him. Do not add to his words, lest he reprove you, and prove you to be a liar.” (Proverbs 30:5-6/NET)

          • Kelly B

            Great post but you know that nigel cares ZERO about God’s word, because the RCC tells him to.

          • davidrev1911

            Thank you very much…but I did feel compelled to present those irrefutable biblical facts to him, of which I’ve never even once encountered a Catholic that’s been able to offer a coherent answer. Maybe he’ll try?? God bless you & yours immensely!

          • Irrefutable in the sense that you feel “my emotions want this to be true, and so it is.” I don’t think emotion can trump reality, no matter what feel-good nonsense you were fed.

          • Is this the same Catholic Church that wrote the Bible and ensured no false books were collected in it?

            you try to use the Church’s own Scripture to attack the Church?

          • Scripture is a collection of books written by Prophets and insured by their personal dealings with God. The New Testament was written by the last Prophets of Isreal (the Apostles) and the first Bishops of the Church (the Apostles).

            In the 1500’s, the proto-marxist German government had totalitarian ambitions and knew the Church got in the way of that. Twit solution was sit nationalize their Church by creating a pseudo-gnostic state-religion where the state was ultimately worshipped over God. They edited and removed books of the Bible and taught their followers they could do whatever they wanted if they found an excuse to do it in these edited Bibles. They then told their followers to irrationally hate th Church so the rational opposition to your heresy would be ignored.

            That is your heresy. It is irrationalism fighting Reason that only the Church can provide

            The Bible is not a magic text. It was not written by God and it did not descend form the Heavens. Prophets wrote it and the Church ensured that only real Prophet-written books were collected.

            One cannot use the books the Church wrote against the Church to try to invalidate it. Not with any sanity, especially not with carefully edited versions.

            There is no salvation outside of the Church. At all.

            It is not God that lied to you, it was archheretics with severe satanic and worldly ambitions. It was these archheretics that pushed you away from the Church and taught you it was a good thing to pretend your ego over God.

            If you do not reject your heresy and come home, you will share a similar but lesser fate of those archheretics.

          • Kathy

            I have known many Catholics, both family and friends, and NEVER heard any of them talk like Nigel. Is his portrayal of that faith the authentic one? If so, it’s teachings are even more deceptive and unbiblical than I thought. Downright evil, actually.

          • m-nj

            Well, Nigel is true to the official church teaching. His “church” has never removed its condemnation of the Reformation leaders (e.g., Luther), so they basically say that anyone NOT Catholic is not a Christian. So, yeah, in one sense Nigel is accurately conveying official church teaching. And he just accused me of “mortal” sin…

          • Kathy

            I guess when you are so accustomed to living every day in the chains of bondage, it’s very disconcerting to think of living in the freedom of real redemption through the blood of the Lamb. Christ’s once-and-for-all final sacrifice was not quite enough, Catholics must add this and that and the other to redeem themselves. Don’t think they realize how self-righteous and prideful that really is…an insult to God and His precious free gift He offered to His children. Really very sad that they are taught (sometimes threatened) with these unbiblical and harmful doctrines. Kudos for your last post to Nigel!

          • disqus_CcpvKT4r2m


        • Try addressing what I say, not my handle.

          • Howard Rosenbaum

            Your “handle” precedes you. It is analogous to the pot calling the kettle black”. It is as the Master Himself stated in regard to that speck in the eye thing. Perhaps it is that “log” in your own “eye” that has precipitated your antagonism towards those your religiosity causes you to condemn ….

          • disqus_CcpvKT4r2m

            Good word, somebody had to say it.

          • No, it is just a name. you -in your panic- are just fixating on something to try to change the subject.

            you are a prot heretic, as are many of the people I deal with here.

          • Howard Rosenbaum

            Well then , that would aliviate any concerns over future accusations that would otherwise discredit me on theological grounds . As it seems a vote of no confidence from one who rallies against the so called “ prot heretic” banner must place me in good standing with those who rely on Christ’s redemptive work for their welfare. Now & forevermore …..

          • What credit do you have that I would need to discredit you? Especially when you spout heresy and then hypocritically claim virtue while trying to make backhanded insults.

            Assuming you have forgivenness actually precludes you from it and is blasphemy which cries to Heaven for vengance. Calling your own ego to be God is also another blasphemy.

            Just today some devil worshipper attempted to curse me. What caused this is me rebuking him for his calumny and blasphemy against the Church. The things he was saying are not unlike the things I hear prots convinced of their own heretical Holiness say on here daily.

            Though I have had prots attempt to curse me (twice in the past 3 days on here), I can only hope you will not attempt the same.

          • Howard Rosenbaum

            What credit do I have that you may discredit me , you ask ?
            None that you seem capable of understanding . No I would not curse you . I would rather I were able to extend a hand of fellowship towards you as I am able to extend towards some others who claim Catholicism as their expression of the ONE true faith . Nevertheless outside of the relative entertainment value of these chats it is becoming something other than redemptive.
            Consequently I’ll neither curse no bless . Our time here on this platform should best become little more than a memory .
            One which will serve as a reminder of just how disparate in thought those who frequent these pages & claim an affinity for the truth can be ….

          • I do not believe calling your ego to be God to be a valid claim to assuming the Authority of the Church for yourself.

            Here, I will say an Our Father for you. Just promise to leave the “spirit” in your head away from me.

    • stan schmunk

      He was and is a ‘fake rabbi’. All supposed Messianic Jewish rabbis are, at least according to Jesus. Matthew 23:7-8.

      • Howard Rosenbaum

        Perhaps you should read the preceding six verses of that chapter In Matthew. The “ Master “ as Jesus refers to Himself would disagree with your conclusion . Personally I’m not all that into some of the trappings of the messianic expression of the faith.
        As for your comment however , not unlike some messianic congregations, it’s all about context . That “rabbi” whose handle you discount over semantics , is he doing what Jesus accused the “scribes & Pharisees of doing …?

        • stan schmunk

          I’m very familiar with the context, Howard, and it doesn’t support your opinion.

        • stan schmunk

          Sorry, read it again.

      • davidrev1911


        I take it you’re including the Law-conscious rabbinical scholar & Pharisee, Sha’ul of Tarsus [i.e., Acts 21:37-22:21; 23:1-8; 24:10-25; 26:1-23; 28:17-31], or Paul, the “Apostle to the Gentiles” in your sweeping personal, typically distorted and/or strained unbiblical opinion, huh?? Do tell, please!

        • stan schmunk

          Sorry, read Matthew 23:7-8. It’s very straightforward.

  • Andrew Damiani

    Love without the truth is void, Jesus is Lord, God doesn’t acknowledge a prayer any more unless it is through the name of Jesus. Yes it is that serious.

  • JD

    Messianic Jews have been hated by many traditional Jews since Yeshua’s death. This “you’re not Jew enough” outrage is simply a continuation of millennia’s worth of bad blood. Loren is both Jewish and Messianic in belief- where did Pence or company claim he represented all Jews?

    It’s just tragic to see Jews step into a hateful stereotype after a literal hate event which resulted in murder. Now is the time to be bigger than petulant indignant outrage. Someone is praying for your community. It shouldn’t matter if they are Muslim, Christian, Hindu or otherwise- its a kind gesture. Messianic Jews aren’t oppressing Orthodox ones- there is literally ZERO need to try and tap dance around their offense here when they are simply stepping into the hateful stereotypes of their forebears.

    • Great response, JD

    • elskid

      Let’s not forget the hate perpetrated by the new testament. It is that book which has spawn so much of the persecution of Israel.

      In John 8 jesus himself told the Jews… “You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning,”
      In Titus 1 paul says… “For there are many insubordinate, both idle talkers and deceivers, especially those of the circumcision, 11 whose mouths must be stopped,”

      Well paul got his wish in Pittsburgh. 11 Jew were “silenced”.
      and he went on to say…
      “15 To the pure all things are pure, but to those who are defiled and unbelieving nothing is pure; but even their mind and conscience are defiled. 16 They profess to know God, but in works they deny Him, being abominable, disobedient, and disqualified for every good work.”

      So jesus accused them of being “son of satan”, paul said they should silenced and that they are “abominable, disobedient, and disqualified for every good work.”

      And let’s not forget the ORIGIN of the whole “christ-killer” slander… 1 Thess 2

      “for ye also have suffered like things of your own countrymen, even as they have of the Jews: 15Who both killed the Lord Jesus, and their own prophets, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men: 16Forbidding us to speak to the Gentiles that they might be saved, to fill up their sins alway: for the wrath is come upon them to the uttermost.

      So AGAIN paul dehumanizes Jews and describes them in such a vile way it is no wonder people want to kill them.

      The blood of Jews for 2000 years is squarely on the shoulders of the new testament.

      Squirm and cry foul all you want, but the new testament should be renounced, not given as gift to children.

      • The hate is evinced by you.

        In the passage in John, the Jews = the Pharisees, and specifically the Pharisaical mindset. You’d know this if you really wanted to know what the Bible said.

        In Titus, Paul was talking about problems in a local community of Christians. He points out that some people of the circumcision were especially egregious in what they were doing. Yes, those people to whom he wrote needed to change their behavior. Saying that this is some attack against all Jews is not only a lie, but a ridiculous lie.

        Again, Paul is right. To the pure, all things are pure. To those who profess to know God but are defiled and unbelieving, nothing is pure. This has a pretty broad range of application. Today, this scripture is often used in the case of false teachers.

        In Thessalonians, Paul does a quick psychological study of the Jewish culture and the majority mindset. What Paul says is NO DIFFERENT than what the Old Testament prophets said. In fact, it is rather tame by comparison.

        If people choose to murder other people, the person to blame is the person who murdered, obviously.

        “The wrath has come upon them to the uttermost” has nothing to do with the actions of Christians, but rather the wrath of God. There’s no way the text could prophesy what you claim, because 1) it’s not a prophesy, and 2) it’s describing something that was happening then, not now.

        You have to lie like this because you know that Christianity does not endorse murder.

        Give up your hate, your lies, and come to Christ. He awaits you with peace, love, and forgiveness. Lay it down, son. There is so much available for you.

        • elskid

          I have never killed anyone. But people who read the new testament killed Jews because they were TOLD they “killed christ” and jesus himself slandered the Jews by saying they were their father is satan.

          THAT my friend is hate. In fact in Luke 19, jesus himself said. “But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.”
          Renounce the new testament.
          And give up idolatry.

  • Nick Stuart

    There is nothing Trump or Pence could do or say, including doing or saying nothing, that would not have the Outrage Machine crank to Vituperation Level 11.

    There may be a point at which some Evangelicals may be tempted to say “You know what? Enough, forget you. You’re going to be ticked off with Christians no matter what. You’re on your own.”

    One might hope (vainly I suppose) that there would be cooler heads in the Jewish community who would say “There has been an incredible positive change in opinion amongst Evangelical Christians in the past 50 years or so with respect to their support for Jews and for Israel. Maybe we ought to dial back the outrage a little and save it for when it’s really warranted. Lets work out some modus vivendi with Christians instead of constantly finding fault.”

    • hWayvos

      God points Nick. wonder if they’d be less offended if VP Pence called an iman up to pray?

    • elskid

      Nick Stuart. You said: “You’re on your own”
      Well, surprise; surprise…Jew ARE ON THEIR OWN. They always have been and they always will be. HaShem has promised that they will be the light to the gentiles. AND THEY WILL BE. HaShem does not need chrisitanity, nor America, nor the US Military NOR THEIR OWN. In the biggest picture, the IDF is not their defense. Now, I do not suggest the IDF lay down. But just like Israel trapped by the Red Sea, there is an ‘out’ we can’t see. We don’t NEED that ‘out’ until we need it. AND THEN IT WILL BE THERE.

      And it is not up to christianity to “decide” if they will or will not be part of the plan. Pharaoh did not “decide” to help Israel and Haman did not “decide” to build a scaffold for HIMSELF.

      But we must face the TERRIBLE fact that the sole purpose of new testament is to bring a new, false god out of rome/greek. This new god was morphed from the real one. Through a malignant, bastardization of language and concepts of christian doctrine can mean anything. It shape-shifts whenever necessary to always mean whatever they want it to mean. And, of course, no one else gets it, we don’t have the holy ghost… OR “FAITH” to believe that which is proven faulty.

      In bringing this new false god to light, the new testament had to delegitimize Israel.
      And that is where the danger lies. The romans/greeks went too far.
      Their fabrication that jews killed christ is found in the NT and is part of the fabric of the alt-right.
      The idea that Jews reject God and then God rejected them is laughable for anyone who knows the Tanakh, BUT NO ONE DOES, so it seems to make sense.
      The christian belief that there are two seeds seals the deal. You are a sheep or a goat, wheat or tares. You are going to eternal life or eternal damnation based on “accept jesus”. And Judaism will never.

      Judaism will never accept jesus, not because they are stiff-necked, but because THEY MET HIM AND SIANI.

      Israel met HaShem at Siani and so they, more than ANYONE, knows HaShem does not has a son named jesus.

      • Christian doctrine does not shape-shift to mean anything; if so, how would it be recognizable as Christianity? The real problem for you is that Christianity IS clear, distinct, and recognizable. You even acknowledge the fact that you are hypocritical, because you point to the fact that Christianity has not changed in 2000 years by noting that it asks for people to accept Jesus.

        If you think the alt-right understands and speaks of Christianity accurately, why would you? The alt-right is neo-paganistic with very few exceptions. They are NO friends of Christianity and they are pretty antisemitic as well. You confuse a hateful caricature of Christianity as the real thing? Why would you do that? Is it because you hate Christianity and you are looking for anything to support your hate?

        Judiasm will never accept Jesus — Peter did. Matthew did. Mark did. Andrew did. Paul did, and Paul was a Pharisee of Pharisees. A vast majority of early Christians were Jews.

        So your understanding of history is wrong and obviously so. Clearly, you are being blinded by hate. Give up your hate and your lies and find peace in Christ. His invitation is open.

        • elskid

          OF COURSE it shape-shifts.
          Why do you think there are HUNDREDS or THOUSANDS of denominations?
          Why do you think there are Mormons?
          —-Don’t they believe in “christ”?
          — Don’t they get their doctrine from the “new testament” (+ the book THEY wrote)
          Why do you think there are JW’s?
          — Don’t they “believe” in christ?
          — Don’t they get their doctrine from the “new testament”(but only THEIR translation)?

          Those guys did exactly what the writers of the “new testament” did: they CLAIMED to believe the “old testament was the Word of God, but then they wrote their OWN book and then squeezed out the ACTUAL Word of God.
          Why do you think there are catholics, protestants, calvinist, lutherans, eastern orthodox, messianic Jews, Hebrew Roots, dozens of doomday cults, “christian who have given up the written word and only listen to the ‘holy ghost’.

          Why do you think they needed the Councel of Nicea?
          They had to VOTE on whether jesus was man or god or both
          They had to VOTE on if he was “immaculately concieved”.

          Why did they have to vote? Cause half of it is MAN MADE and serves a MAN MADE agenda.
          If you think there is concensus on what it says, that is because church huddled together taking refuge in the illusion that YOUR group figure out the RIGHT message, WHEW, not like those OTHER so-called “christians”.

          Man-o-man, the lies, the lies upon lies upo LIES, you people have to tell yourselves to KEEP YOUR HEAD IN THE SAND is freakin IMPRESSIVE.

          Every one of these sects CLAIM what is written is the “WORD OF GOD” but then they give themselves permission to interpret it ANYWAY THEY WAY just by saying “the holy ghost told me”. LOL LOL LOL.
          (And you people have the nerve to laugh at people who claim they were abducted by aliens. LOL LOL!!)
          Shapeshifters- absolutely!! – ONE AND ALL of you!!!

        • elskid

          YOU SAID: Judiasm will never accept Jesus — Peter did. Matthew did. Mark did. Andrew did. Paul did, and Paul was a Pharisee of Pharisees. A vast majority of early Christians were Jews.

          Then peter, matthew, mark, paul all GAVE UP Judaism.
          They were still “Jewish”, ethnically or even culturally, but they were no longer following the tenets of Judaism.

          You are conflating different terms.
          If an Italian person was following the tenets of Judaism and converted to christianity, he would STILL be an Italian.
          Not all Jews follow the tenets of Judaism.
          You might be a “Jewish Buddhist” but you cannot be a follower of the tenets of Judaism AND a Buddhist.

  • …and how blessed is anyone not offended by me!”

    Matthew 11:6

  • But according to Jacobs’ own ordination, the Union of Messianic Jewish Congregations, he was defrocked 15 years ago.

    “Loren Jacobs was stripped of his rabbinic ordination by the UMJC in 2003, after our judicial board found him guilty of libel,” a spokesperson told NBC News.

  • tz1

    I’m exhausted, perhaps like St. Paul, with trying to defend Jews that hate me, and want to destroy me and everything I hold dear.
    Brown seem to want Pence & Co. to apologize for something unintenional and unknowalble but EXCUSES anti-Christian Jews for their horrible behavior.

    I can deal with a toddler throwing a tantrum if he is mine. But I don’t extend that to others.

    Jews seem to seek something trivial to be offended by, and then go ballistic. Then DEMAND some kind of apology.

    Brown follows. I can see a sotto voce demand that Pence apologize. I also see him excusing “his people” instead of demanding they apologize instead of flying off the handle.

    I don’t want to bother with Jews, even “messianic” Jews anymore. Where is ANY gratitude? Where is any condemnation of fellow Jews who are sinning? Including the Calumny. If Jews hate Pence, they hate me. While I can tolerate some things, I would rather avoid being put in a position where I have to avoid or defend myself as a Christian from a Jew that hates me while Mr. Brown sides with the haters.

    If it goes full Nazi, I really don’t want to hide someone in my attic that will just constantly complain that the food is not Kosher, that I’m doing someting they don’t like on the Sabbath, or I’ve said something they take as offensive – while not getting one word of gratitude for saving them from certain death. The question is not where are the good Germans, but where are the good Jews? Will they turn me in for hiding them in the hope they won’t be killed?

    “Blame the Jews” is begging the question. If I blame them for something they are truly guilty of, then there is no sin, unrighteousness or injustice. That is the conflict. Christians use due process to determine guilt, then blame the guilty and exhonerate the innocent. They don’t accept “Not Gulity by reason of Jewishness”.

    • Howard Rosenbaum

      Well in your exhaustion, perhaps unlike St.Paul, you betray an attitude of antisemitisn. Paul was one who would have rather died for his fellow Jews were it a viable possibility. Yeah, not much like the Apostle now , are you ….?!

      • Baronsamedi1925

        I agree with ur statement. The big problem with Pence in that situation is he didn’t do his homework with that rabbi .He was defrocked for slander 15 yrs ago.

    • Baronsamedi1925

      We wouldn’t have a bible without the Jews .

  • Ray

    Well I certainly don’t understand the offense, but then again I’m not Jewish. Was it simply that he wasn’t main stream enough to be called “a Jewish Leader”? if I am hurting, I think I would appreciate the prayers of anyone who is sincere in their faith in Christ, be it Lutheran, Baptist, Nondenominational, whatever, but maybe I’m the odd ball. Are Lutherans anything more than Baptists, or Methodists, or Catholics? Are they not all ministers of the same message of the cross? (see I Cor 3: 4-10)

  • Ray

    Or, was it using the name of Jesus as he did, was that the real offense? Well, now that could make some sense now, couldn’t it? I just don’t know if that was it or not. I’m just saying…

  • Ray

    Maybe a little salt is good sometimes, even for some wounds.

  • Ray

    Could it be that this is the man God wanted, to do the praying? Just asking.

  • Clark9017

    So what if he was a rabbi or not, prayer for the Jewish community was needed.

  • Adrian Ze’ev Bernal

    Excellent article Dr. Brown. As usual, precise and accurate. Shalom and blessings to you.

    Dr. Adrian Bernal

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