Memo to the Washington Post: The Bible Does Reject ‘Transgender’ Behavior

If the WashPo doesn't like what the Bible says about transgenderism, they should say so rather than distort the truth to peddle their ideologies.

By Robert Gagnon Published on September 16, 2016

With the op-ed “Where in the Bible does it say you can’t be transgender? Nowhere” (Aug. 26), the Washington Post apparently feels no embarrassment from publishing such a poorly executed attempt at exegesis of the biblical text (this from 3 weeks ago; it’s hard to keep up with nonsense). I had already responded on Aug. 15 to a badly done New York Times op-ed that claimed that the Bible depicts God as transgendered and affirms gender fluidity. The WashPost op-ed arrives at a similar ideological objective (i.e., claiming that the Bible is not opposed to transgenderism) but from a different angle. Rather than make the case that the Bible endorses transgenderism it attempts to argue that “there is not a single verse in scripture that discusses transgender identities.”

The author is a certain Eliel Cruz who is identified as “a bisexual Christian writer” and “executive director of Faith in America” (a organization which, according to his bio, is “dedicated to ending religious based bigotry towards LGBT people”). I see no evidence that he has any academic expertise in the field of biblical studies (just the kind of person the Post is eager to get?). His three arguments are as follows.

Cross-Dressing or Transgenderism: What’s the Difference?

Cruz claims that the reference in Deuteronomy 22:5 women who wear men’s clothes and men who wear women’s clothes as “an abomination (abhorrent, detestable) to Yahweh your God” is about cross-dressing and not transgenderism.

In the ancient Near East, this is a distinction without much of a difference. Almost certainly at least some of these figures (probably most of the men) were connected with the indictment of the so-called qedeshim: literally, “cult figures” or self-named “sacred ones,” connected with idolatrous cult shrines (Deut 23:17-18). These men thought themselves possessed by an androgynous deity. As self-perceived women in male bodies they attempted to erase their masculine identity with feminine dress, manners, occupations, and sometimes even castration.

Comparable Mesopotamian figures were known as the assinu, kurgarru, and kulu’u. A later manifestation were the Greco-Roman figures known as the galli, connected with the Great Mother Cybele. In Deuteronomy and the Deuteronomistic History (Judges thru 2 Kings) they were condemned for having committed an “abomination” (1 Kings 14:24; 15:12 22:46; 2 Kings 23:7). The biblical writers rejected any presumption that these birth-males were females.

Centuries later the apostle Paul referred to the malakoi (“soft men”; a Greek term, the Latin equivalent of which was molles), men who deliberately feminized themselves, sometimes to attract male sex partners, through dress, mannerisms, hairstyle, and at times even castration. This is a more generic term and necessitates no cultic connection (though in some cases there was such a connection). Paul listed such figures among those who, without repentance, would not inherit the kingdom of God.

Binary Significance

Cruz then claims that Genesis 1:27, “male and female he created them,” carries no binary implications. He cites the use of “and” in the phrase “the heavens and the earth” (Gen 1:1) and in the reference to God as “the alpha and the omega” (Rev 1:8) as including “everything in between.”

Yet the understanding of the phrase “male and female” as implying a sexual binary is all too obvious. In the few times that this exact phrase is used elsewhere in the Hebrew Bible it always indicates a sexual pair: Gen 5:2 (genealogy fulfilling command to “be fruitful and multiply,” similar to 1:27) and 6:19; 7:3, 9, 16 (animals going into the ark “two by two”).

According to Mark 10:5-9 (parallel in Matt 19:4-6), Jesus cited “male and female he created them” in Gen 1:27 alongside Gen 2:24 (“For this reason a man shall … be joined to his woman and the two shall become one flesh”) in order to establish a principle about duality of number in sexual relations. In short, Jesus predicated a limitation of two persons to a sexual union on the foundation of a divinely designed complementary sexual pair.

A century before Jesus the Jewish sectarian group known as the Essenes likewise applied the same principle from Gen 1:27, this time in connection with the duality of number in the Noah’s ark narrative (“two by two … male and female”), to reject polygamy among their adherents, calling the male-female requirement for sexual relations “the foundation of creation.” Jesus went further in applying the principle to a rejection of divorce/remarriage for any cause.

So Jesus clearly saw binary significance to the phrase “male and female.” His citation of Gen 2:24 confirms this, when he includes a reference to “the two” (man and woman) becoming “one flesh.” Mention of “the two” is missing from the Hebrew text of Gen 2:24 but all the other versions (Greek Septuagint translation, Aramaic Targums, Latin Vulgate, Samaritan Pentateuch) pick it up as obviously implied in the original.

Birth Sex, Gender and Intersex

Cruz also appeals to a distinction between birth sex and self-constructed “gender.” Yet he ignores the fact that biblical authors reject the idea that a self-constructed “gender” that differs from birth sex is in any sense true.

Cruz appeals to the “intersex” also, even though this is a separate issue from so-called “transgenderism.” The appeal to “intersex individuals” is akin to an appeal to conjoined twins as a basis for rejecting a standard of monogamy. It makes as a basis for imploding the entire standard an extraordinarily rare exception, where something goes developmentally wrong in nature’s processes (e.g., an inhibition of testosterone production or sensitivity, or an XXY in an essentially male child). The overwhelming percentage of the tiny subset of the population often categorized as “intersex” do not in fact straddle equally between two sexes but are marked predominantly as one sex or the other in terms of the possession (or lack) of a mostly functioning X chromosome.

When Jesus discusses briefly “eunuchs (eunouchoi) who were born so from the womb of their mother” (Matt 19:12) he rejects neither the binary male-female foundation for marriage nor the principle of duality of number secondarily derived from the foundation that he had just established (19:3-9). On the contrary, he presumes that if “born eunuchs” cannot enter the covenant of marriage as “men” they must remain celibate.

It is lamentable that the Washington Post is more interested in propaganda for the “transgender” cause than in credible scholarship. If they don’t like what the Judeo-Christian Scriptures have to say, then they should just say so rather than attempt to distort the witness of these texts in order to service their tainted ideological objectives. When the ends justify the means, all trust is lost in the integrity of the alleged journalism.

 

Robert A. J. Gagnon is associate professor of New Testament at Pittsburgh Theological Seminary and author of The Bible and Homosexual Practice.

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  • This verse comes to mind:

    Revelation 2:20-23

    20‘But I have this against you, that you tolerate the woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess, and she teaches and leads My bond-servants astray so that they commit acts of immorality and eat things sacrificed to idols. 21‘I gave her time to repent, and she does not want to repent of her immorality. 22‘Behold, I will throw her on a bed of sickness, and those who commit adultery with her into great tribulation, unless they repent of her deeds. 23‘And I will kill her children with pestilence, and all the churches will know that I am He who searches the minds and hearts; and I will give to each one of you according to your deeds

    • 6thinclass

      Isn’t Jezebel in these verses a country or nation? Maybe even the USA?

      • Michael Gore

        I would steer clear of trying to associate the symbolism of Revelation with things in the modern day. It consistently leads to wackiness. Remember that John actually wrote Revelation to the 7 churches of Asia Minor, in order to deliver a message to them, as well as the Church Universal, so we shouldn’t give it a reading that would have made it meaningless to the original audience.

        • And yet Revelation 13:17 is happening now, in our very lives. Refusing to see what is going on around you is behaving like an ostrich that buries its head in the sand.

          • Robert MacLeod

            Um right, because the End Times came in 2000 and no one noticed it.

          • chercher

            The “End Times” is not going to be a month or a year ……it is going to go on for years and culminate in Jesus appearing on earth to judge us. There are events that are unfolding right in front of our eyes and events that are yet to happen ….before the great day.

          • Yah Saves

            ” going to go on for years and culminate in Jesus appearing on earth to judge us.”

            The “tribulation” will last 7 years, His name isn’t/wasn’t and never will be “Jesus”, and I will not be judged.

          • Bob Blaylock

              When the time comes, every knee will bow (including yours) and every tongue will confess that Jesus is the Christ, the Messiah.  You can deny him now, but the day will come when you will not deny him.

          • Yah Saves

            Pay attention Bob. The letter “J” was INVENTED in the 17th century. This isn’t up for debate-it’s a fact!!!!! Now guess what that means, professor. There was no James and John walking with Jesus in Jerusalem. In fact, the very FIRST TIME “Jesus” was EVER WRITTEN was in 1629. Again, that’s a FACT!!
            Next, I must address this because I know how your ilk respond. There is a HUGE difference between a word and a name. While words are translated-names MUST be transliterated. That’s why names do not change with language, and that is why Barack Obama is “Barack Obama” everywhere on planet Earth and in every language. Names don’t change with language-that is linguistics 101. Crack a book before you respond with such drivel as “Jesus is his English name” or “I don’t speak Hebrew”.

            In closing, I’ll address the issue you have with me saying that I will not be judged. I’m either on solid ground or God is a liar.

            “For God so loved the world that He gave His only brought-forth Son, so that everyone who believes in Him should not perish but possess everlasting life. For God did not send His Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world through Him might be saved. He who believes in Him is not judged,”

          • Michael Gore

            You are going to have to explain that one a little better. Here is the text in question in context from Verses 11-18 of Revelation 13:

            “Then I saw another beast rising out of the earth. It had two horns like a lamb and it spoke like a dragon. It exercises all the authority of the first beast in its presence, and makes the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose mortal wound was healed. It performs great signs, even making fire come down from heaven to earth in front of people, and by the signs that it is allowed to work in the presence of the beast it deceives those who dwell on earth, telling them to make an image for the beast that was wounded by the sword and yet lived. And it was allowed to give breath to the image of the beast, so that the image of the beast might even speak and might cause those who would not worship the image of the beast to be slain. Also it causes all, both small and great, both rich and poor, both free and slave, to be marked on the right hand or the forehead, so that no one can buy or sell unless he has the mark, that is, the name of the beast or the number of its name. This calls for wisdom: let the one who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man, and his number is 666.”

            So then if this is happening now, the following questions come to mind:

            1. What was the meaning of this passage to the first century church if it only finds it’s fulfillment in the modern day?

            2. What or who is the first beast, of whom it says is worshiped by the inhabitants of earth? What is the nature of the wounding and healing it describes?

            3. Who is the second beast and what are the “great signs” that this second beast is performing (such as “making fire come down from heaven to earth in front of people”)?

            4. What is this mark of the beast, that is placed on the forehead or right hand of “all, both rich and poor, both free and slave”? How is this mark determining who can “buy or sell”?

            5. What is the name of the beast if the mark is it’s name?

            6. How can John say to the first century recipients of the letter to “let the one who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man, and his number is 666.” if the person he is talking about would not be born for 2000 years from when he wrote the letter?

            If you are going to take a literal fulfillment of these passages in the modern day, then surely you can explain how to make sense of the details of it. And if you are going to say that these things will happen but have not yet, then how can you say it “is happening now, in our very lives”? Do you see these texts in Revelation as symbolic or literal?

          • Taking the mark means to agree to sin against God. Refusing to take the mark means to refuse to sin against God. In Revelation 13:17, those who refuse to sin against God are driven out of the marketplace. Tell me something: What other possible motive is there for fining a mom and pop business $135,000 for refusing to bake a cake than the drive them out of business, that is, out of the marketplace?

            It’s right there in front of your eyes. You might try opening them for once.

          • Michael Gore

            How is it that your interpretation of the Mark requires the current age to be a fulfillment of it. Wasn’t the same thing happening during the Roman Empire when Christians were undergoing extreme persecution and being ordered to worship Caesar? That seems like a better fit than thinking John was writing about Same-Sex marriage in america. Maybe your issue is that you are looking for specific events you think fit, where as I see Revelation as more typological. It seems that many of the warnings of Revelation have been reoccurring issues for many Christians in many parts of the world.

          • I haven’t required anything, but am simply observing what is happening, and comparing that to what the Scripture means. Many people see the Mark as a physical device, like a tattoo or a microchip, when it’s actually a metaphor for your thoughts and your deeds. Society today IS worshiping a beast: the beast of unbridled sexual behavior in which they act like beasts, and the false gospel of this beast is constantly broadcast over the public airwaves so that everyone can see the image of the beast. Adhering your allegiance to that beast is taking that beast’s mark. And you have seen for yourself what is being done to those who refuse that beast’s mark by insisting upon adhering their allegiance to God. Such people are bring driven out of the marketplace, in other words being made unable to conduct business, unable to buy and sell.

            It’s right in front of your eyes, Michael. Fulfill your name and be like God and open those eyes that He gave you.

          • Bob Blaylock

              I’ve come up with an odd theory about the mark of the beast.  I’m beginning to suspect that it is not going to be a physical or visual mark, but an ideological mark.

              One obvious theory, that I suspect may be wrong, is that it might be an RFID chip embedded in us, used to access our bank accounts, just requiring us to have that mark in order to buy or sell or otherwise engage in commerce.

              Revelation does clearly tie the mark to being able to engage in commerce, but I think it may take a different form.  I started to get this idea around the time it was hitting the news,about bakers and florists and other merchants being sued and driven out of business for refusing to cater to immoral homosexual mockeries of weddings.  There is a growing sentiment being expressed, by those on the left wrong that you should not be allowed to operate a business, in accordance with your own religious and moral beliefs, if doing so means “discriminating” in any way, by refusing to participate in or support that which one believes to be immoral.  This, I suspect,is the beginning of the true mark of the beast.  Here, we have denial of the right to engage in commerce, to make an honest living, unless one agrees to participate in immoral activities as dictated by a corrupt government.

          • chercher

            Do you even understand that John was getting a vision. Go back and read about Joseph and how he interpreted the dreams of the King and the prison guards. When no one could interpreted those dreams, Joseph had the gift and they all came through.

          • Michael Gore

            I agree that John was getting a vision. The situation is not parallel to Joseph. In Joseph’s story, Pharaoh was given a vision and Joseph was sent to interpret the vision clearly for a specific purpose. So the question would have to be, was John given the interpretation of his vision so that it could be understood? If not, then who do you claim was the one who would be interpreting it correctly? Surely you are not claiming that God gave John a vision and it was impossible to understand for over 1800 years until dispensationalism came about.

          • Kevin Quillen

            Do I detect a fellow preterist?

          • Michael Gore

            I would consider myself an Amellennialist who definitely sees much of the olivet discourse fulfilled in the siege of Jerusalem and destruction of the temple. I would see Revelation as having eternal relevance to the Christian church. I think it had great meaning to the 1st century Christians to whom it was being written, and continues to have great meaning to us as Christians today.

            I see a lot of the wild eyed speculation that people like Tim Lehaye want to spread by trying to literalize an apocalyptic piece of scripture, and have seen no good reason to follow a doctrine that has it’s origination approximately 1800 years after Christ. Nowhere in the writings of the apostolic fathers, or in the writings of church history can we find anybody who held this belief before John Nelson Darby.

            Like Dr. James White says a lot (probably came from somewhere else): Pretty much anything new these days is Heresy.

      • Dejbcool

        no Jezebel was a person. Maybe her name wasnt jezebel but it was definately a person who led the people of that church into false worship

      • I believe it’s referring to a doctrine that is identical to that of the person Jezebel. If a nation accepts that doctrine then it could be substituted in.

  • John

    The whole thing is that homosexuality is a sin. It is not a right.

  • Elephantinanocean

    If you believe what you like in the gospels, and reject what you don’t like, it is not the gospel you believe, but yourself.

    St Augustine

    • Maggie0405

      Yes, it’s really “my will be done” instead of “thy will be done.”

      • Kenneth Smith

        Well, at least you are honest about your ego and pride! It takes a lot of guts to believe you know more than God.

        • Maggie0405

          I was referring to the WP author and others who try to justify their behavior with whatever they can. Sorry, didn’t make that clear.

  • Robert MacLeod

    Soo, just out of curiosity, are women who wear pants an abomination? Since nobody wore pants when this was all written does that mean all of us are abominations because we aren’t wearing robes and sandals like they did back then? Oh and are all of you not eating shellfish? Not wearing blended fabrics? I just love how so called Christians pick and choose which passages on the Old Testament they see as GODS WORD and which they just say don’t apply.

    • Luis

      Jesus made all foods clean. Here is the Biblical proof:
      Mark 7:18-19 [Jesus said] Don’t you realize that nothing going into a man from the outside can defile him?For it does not enter his heart but his stomach, and then goes out into the sewer.” (This means all foods are clean.)
      The last part says that by saying that, Jesus, the God who inspired the Old Testament laws, was removing the ceremonial demand, which includes the types of fabric, too.
      So, it is not “picking and choosing”, it is Jesus telling us what is not included in the New Testament!

    • Liz Litts

      pat Biblical ignorance response. You only have the hearsay of apostates.

  • Pamela

    Intersex was mentioned in the article, the trans community is always bringing up that issue when it is completely different from transgenderism, I guess they are trying to get us to believe that the issues are related,intersex conditions are birth related and transgenderism isn’t it is a mental condition no relation at all.

    • Sara van der Merwe

      It kind of is, though. For example, were you to come at me saying, “You are either male or female, only,” I would say, “But intersex people exist.” Not the same thing, but related in that many intersex people don’t align with the strict gender binary of male or female. Both deal with the physical side of sex, and the mental side of gender.

      • Yah Saves

        “and the mental side of gender.”

        Gender is based on what’s between the legs-not what’s between the ears.

        • Sara van der Merwe

          It’s not, actually. Sex is physical. Gender is mental.

          • Yah Saves

            Something is mental-that’s for sure.

          • Sara van der Merwe

            It’s like this:

            Sex- penis, vagina, breasts. Basically, the physical stuff.

            Gender- how you see yourself, how you want others to see you, masculinity, femininity. The emotional and/or self-conscious stuff.

            If you’re thinking I’m about to declare there are millions of genders because I’ve heard it before, that’s not what I mean. I’m just saying that the two (sex and gender) are not interchangeable. For most humans, they align- penis with masculinity and male identification, and vice versa for women. But, that’s not always true. It’s just mostly true.

            I’m using American standards for this, since I didn’t find much about my country. In a country of about 350 million people, roughly .3% are transgender, meaning about 1.5-6 million. It’s not much to get worried over. There are plenty of non-trans people still about.

          • Yah Saves

            So as a white male, I can see myself as a black female? And when asked the “gender” question on the form I am filling out, I fill it in as “black” in the race field and “woman” in the gender field simply because that is how “I see myself, and how I want others to see me”?

            That’s called insane and this ilk should seek professional help.
            the bulk of cult leaders who lead others to their death wish to be seen as a Mesiah figure. Some literally think they are Jesus. Should we entertain the psychotic ramblings of these delusional freaks?

            Here’s the bottom line: If you( not you-the proverbial you) are a man, and you attempt to go into a women’s bathroom while my daughter is inside….I don’t care what you THINK you are- I KNOW what you will be.
            ANYONE who does not agree with this, anyone who does not understand this, is mentally deranged.
            AGAIN, I don’t care what’s between your ears. The only thing that matters is what’s between your legs.

          • Sara van der Merwe

            If you, say, took a holiday to Cape Town and I happened to use the women’s room at the same time as your daughter, you wouldn’t look twice, nor would you act if you somehow could tell. Threatening violence against a girl who just wants to pee in the right room is really pathetic.

          • Yah Saves

            It’s no threat-it’s a sure thing. I beat the brakes off any man who attempts to go into the same bath room as my daughter-period.

          • Sara van der Merwe

            Good thing I’m not a man, nor would you know if I were there.

          • Yah Saves

            I’m thinking of applying for an African American women’s scholarship today. Sure, I’m a white man, but why can’t I identify as a black girl? Would you deny me those funds? Can I play on the girls sports team? Take their scholarships? And why can’t I go into the MMA? I could beat the women’s champ on day one.

            LUNACY

          • Sara van der Merwe

            Because you’d be a man. Transwomen are women. We look like women, and have feminine features such as stature and strength thanks to hormones. Hormones make us much less toned, and all that natural masculine muscle is gone. Seriously. I’m weak as a kitten. Speaking for myself, I have no real advantages over ciswomen were I to compete with them in a sport. I’m just as strong, if not less so, and I decreased in height from 1.78 meters to about 1.72. In feet, about an inch and a half to 2 inches. My point is that we’re not men trying to gain an advantage over women. We are women. The hormones many of us take change our bodies greatly. And once more, race has no part in this.

          • Yah Saves

            If a man can identify as a woman, a white person can identify as a black person. Let’s not be racist……kay?

            “Because you’d be a man.”

            Not if I simply write or claim….”We are women. “. That changes everything. See?
            I mean, with the lotions and creams we become more tone and rich in color. And all the natural whiteness is gone. Seriously. I’m as bronze as a statue. I have no advantage over a black woman-the tanning lotion many of us use change our bodies greatly.

          • Sara van der Merwe

            Being born with a certain skin colour doesn’t affect the person’s brain structure the same with as with gender. It’s not the same thing. And I’m white as snow, but I don’t see how that matters. I’m not trying to say I’m Coloured, or anything else other than White. I’m telling you I’m a girl because I am one. I didn’t just declare myself a girl and not show it. Every second of every day, I look, dress, act, and associate with and like other girls. I live as a girl. It’s not some overnight declaration. Boy one day, girl the next. It was more like, “I’m a girl” followed by lots of work at dressing, acting, talking, and other aspects like makeup while the hormones kicked in and did their job. For clarity’s sake, I have boobs now. What more do you want from me?

          • Yah Saves

            I’ve never wanted anything from you. It’s YOU and YOUR ilk who desire the rest of us to embrace your lifestyle. Not just tolerate it, you want acceptance. It’s not good enough to co exist among the population. Your ilk want to be stroked and coddled as you demand to have your behavior condoned.

          • Sara van der Merwe

            If you spent your life in fear of being harassed or killed for being different, you’d be fighting for your acceptance too. Can’t really coexist when you’re hardly treated as an actual human, much less as the correct gender.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            “Gender- how you see yourself, how you want others to see you, masculinity, femininity. The emotional and/or self-conscious stuff.”

            Will you never stop lying? Will the spiritually-dead ever realize that no matter how many times you tell a lie, no matter how often you tell a lie, and no matter how loud you continue to shout the lie, it will NEVER make it the truth?

            For 2000yrs gender has been just another word for biological sex and determined by Biology. It’s only recently that the spiritually-dead God-haters have had some success in getting others to buy into their lie because of the feckless Christians who have sought to never offend anyone and speak the truth.

            You can try to redefine Gender just like the rest of the spiritually-dead and sexually immoral have tried to redefine Marriage. BUT, it does NOT matter one iota how successful you are in this world or with this Government or with any other human. The FACT is you have NOT changed a thing and one day you WILL come to see that. Right before you are hurled into the Lake of Fire FOREVER.

            “And you are dead in your trespasses and sins, 2 in which you walk according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience. 3 Among them you live in the lusts of your flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and are by nature children of wrath” (Eph. 2:1-4)

  • Deana Bowlds

    None of this has anything today with actual transgenders as it is known today. This same scripture was formerly used to forbid that women wear trousers. Time to grow up, and stop developing prejudices and then looking for biblical justification for your bias.

    • Kenneth Smith

      Sounds like you have quite a bit of prejudice and bias too.

    • Royce E. Van Blaricome

      I hope you get saved and come to realize how dangerous and foolish it is to call God a Liar.

  • David Poirier

    Why don’t we all realize that this writer is using modern translations to base his theories upon? The exact meaning of the original manuscript is impossible to put into English precisely. When he uses translated terms to base his assumptions upon, he reveals his ignorance. When he bases his justifications upon the old testament and ignores the words of Christ that established the new covenant, he reveals his ignorance of Christianity. He may be a paid professor, but he is twisting the faith to fit himself, rather than twisting himself to fit the faith. We can’t exactly tell God to update his rules without elevating ourselves to God’s level. That is in itself, a sin.

    • klockheed

      Dr. Gagnon is versed in the original languages and actually is basing his arguments thereon. The modern English translations thereof, btw, are fully trustworthy in the matters at hand. I recommend you allow God to tell you his rules, rather than attempting to shove yours into his word.

    • Royce E. Van Blaricome

      How foolish and utterly arrogant for you to think for a second that God Almighty is not capable of having His Word translated to modern day people of today or tomorrow.

      If anyone has shown their ignorance it’s you and not Dr. Gagnon. A wise man once said it is better to keep your mouth shut and not show your ignorance than to open it and remove all doubt. THAT is a word of wisdom that you should hold close in the future because you’ve already blown it big time here!

      Moreover, Jesus Christ is the Word. Part of the Trinity and therefore He NEVER contradicts Scripture because it is God-breathed. Again, that shows YOUR ignorance.

      You are sorely deceived and there really is no excuse for it. When you attempt to discredit and trash-talk the Bible you are blaspheming God because you call Him a Liar. 2nd Tim. 3:16 is true. Jesus never belittled, undermined, dismissed, or made light of Scripture in any way whatsoever. He never downplayed the significance of Scripture for His own personal guidance. Nor did He ever doubt the authority of God’s Word in any way. He never questioned the veracity of the Old Testament stories or remotely insinuated in any way whatsoever that they were anything but true. Quite to the contrary and just the opposite. Jesus held the Bible in the highest regard. Eighty times in the Gospels Jesus quotes from more than seventy chapters from twenty-four different Old Testament books. When the Pharisees would challenge Christ or try to trick Him, what was His response? “Have you not read…”

      So what’s the point? Just this, when you hear someone say that Jesus never addressed this or that, remind them of just that. That and that Jesus is God. The Book of John starts out with “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.” In John 10:30 Jesus says, “I and the Father are one.” So if the Father said something, so did Jesus and so does the Holy Spirit. There is NEVER any contradiction between them. How serious does Jesus make obedience to the Word of God? Matt. 5:17-19 gives us a pretty good idea: “Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished. Whoever then annuls one of the least of these commandments, and teaches others to do the same, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever keeps and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.”

      You would do well to recall and remember that God chose to write His commandments in stone and that the last Book of God’s Word starts with Christ ordering John to “write down” the things he was about to receive. And John was to send those things to the 7 churches. NOT just tell them what he had heard.

      The bottom line is that if you do not submit to the authority of God’s Word – The Bible – then you are your own god to hear what you wanna hear and do what you wanna do because you have nothing to filter it thru but your own authority.

      • River

        The Schizo is at it again.

        • Royce E. Van Blaricome

          Thank you for once again showing all you got. It’s pretty common knowledge that when morons can’t attack the Message they attack the Messenger.

          Too bad you haven’t figured out that you’re doing an outstanding job of showing what a fool you are and how utterly bankrupt any argument you have tried to put forth is. When one can’t put forth anything with any substance and simply spew forth the inconsequential they resort to comments just like that.

          Pretty clear now to everyone just how little you really have. THANK YOU!!

  • Phil Spomer

    Speaking as someone who affirms the inerrancy of the Bible. I don’t think that this is as easy and straight forward as Dr. Gagnon is portraying. Especially with the polemic invectives. Exegesis is best done dispassionately. Remember we are sinful people reading an Holy Book. The use of historical context is important but not as definitive as he makes them. Remember, our historical knowledge is not Divinely inspired. The Bible is. I think some of the trouble we have in looking at this issue is our own historical situation. This is linked by the secular culture as part of the homosexual debate. Yet, that doesn’t make it so. The Bible has clear New Testament prohibitions on practicing homosexuality. The transgendered situation is not the same. Then there are different circumstances which we, acting pastorally, we can not mix. Some people are born with physically ambiguous genetically. We must help such people individually and with compassion. There may be a psychological/neurological counterpart that also must be addressed lovingly. Then there is the societal propaganda which seeks to manipulate us by using eccentric circumstances to degrade and reform Western culture. This should be resisted, but not at the expense of our Christian love of all people or our care for accurate Biblical interpretation.

    • Elephantinanocean

      You say the Bible is inerrant. You say historical context is important but NOT difinitive or Divinly Inspired. To be a Chirtian is to be a historian . We are the only religion who’s God entered into our time line and became a part of our own human history.

      The Bible is inerrant. It was divninly inspired. But it Was not done by magic, the Bible did not fall down from heaven. The Bible itself is a description of an account of the gospel that was given by Jesus Christ whom himself didn’t write a word whom the apostle John said of all of his deeds there isn’t enough books in the world to contain them.

      If you would like to know why transgender is a evil ideology then look to history. What makes a man a man or a woman a woman what is marriage what does it mean to be human, body soul and spirit. People need to quit trying to reinvent the wheel, the gospel that Jesus Christ presented to the world has already been interpreted.

      All human beings should be treated with human dignity we all fall short of the glory of God but we should also take care to remember the devil is real and to callout evil as evil and good as good. And at the same time respecting human dignity separating the sin from the person.

      Your comment scares me. You say we must not look to history, you claim that interpretations can change over time as if the true meaning of the Gospel has been hidden for thousands of years but somehow today we can open it secrets .This line of thought is very scary indeed.

    • Yah Saves

      “accurate Biblical interpretation.”

      That would be awesome. Let’s start with the name of God and His Son. God NEVER refers to Himself as “Lord” yet that is what religion has edited His name to (7000 times)….and “Jesus” is not/was not and never will be the name of your Savoir. This is a FACT. The FIRST TIME “Jesus” was EVER WRITTEN was in 1629. Yeah, accuracy in Christianity would be awesome- but I’m not holding my breath.

  • Jacqui Moriarty

    “Cruz claims that the reference in Deuteronomy 22:5 women who wear men’s clothes and men who wear women’s clothes as “an abomination (abhorrent, detestable) to Yahweh your God” is about cross-dressing and not transgenderism.”

    Well, your two paragraphs of exposition are as wrong as Cruz. The passage is about none of what either of you is pushing, but rather about dominant males in a polygynous tribal culture protecting their harem from sneaky young males.

    You can stick your head in the sand over what genetic testing tells us about the actual sexual behavior of men and women versus whatever rules they play lip service to, but, well, facts are facts, and the ancient Hebrews were as polygynous as any of their modern closely relate semitic descendants.

    Young men mostly couldn’t marry for diverse reasons, and young women were married off to powerful men/families for other reasons. The end result being a powerful patriarch would have a harem of wives/concubines and yes slaves. The head wife would decide who slept with the patriarch on any given night, but with a harem of any size, any given woman could go for a long time without any intimate contact with the patriarch. And since these were all arranged marriages for reasons of economics or, loosely speaking “politics” it’s not like there was any emotional connection at all.

    But then there were all the young men, with no wives and raging hormones. But they’re forbidden from being alone/speaking with a woman not of their immediate family.

    But hormones. And human ingenuity.

    Since men, including any harem guards, were forbidden from speaking to or even, really, looking at, and certainly not being alone with any woman not their wife or immediate family, then a young guy had to do to get some alone time with a lonely wife of a patriarch was be able to get into the harem. And did I mention that males were forbidden from looking at females — who were often, as still today in tribal areas of Middle Eastern countries, fully veiled to boot.

    So donning female garb was pretty much a guaranteed way to gain access to the harem.

    So of course, having been young men themselves, the patriarchs – who wanted to be sure of blood lines – would have found young men sneaking into THEIR harem, will, “an abomination”.

    Even though it had pretty much the exact opposite reasons for being verses either “cross dressing” as modernly understood, or transgenderism. It was pretty much a way to get on with plain old messing around. (oh, and remember, women couldn’t be witnesses, and no men were allowed in the harem, so adultery – once the guy was in the harem, would have been really hard to prove. Now, wearing the wrong clothes, well that they could catch at. Sometimes. Probably not often. Hence the vehemence expressed in the rule.)

    If you want to know what your ancestors were really up to, most of the time, find out what their most pious prohibitions were.

  • Billy Chickens

    Transgender people…what about the XX and XY chromosomes in every cell in your body which identify a human person as male or female? Scientifically, through a blood sample, any geneticist would be able to say which sex a human person is, and no amount of surgery or hormone treatments or makeup or botox will ever change that. You will forever, throughout eternity, be the sex you were at birth – male or female – and there is absolutely nothing you can do about it.

    • Sara van der Merwe

      That isn’t how it works, though. Transpeople are called transgender. The ‘gender’ part of transgender is very important. I should also add that not every human is XX or XY, and there plenty of bio men with XX and bio women with XY.

      • Getoutandstayout

        “Gender” is a manufactured term, being used for liberal purposes. One is born male or female, and no amount of labeling will change that. The argue otherwise is to abandon common sense for a fantasyland of one’s own making.

        • Sara van der Merwe

          “Gender is a manufactured term,”
          It’s more of a social construct, really. It’s not inherently manufactured since humans do tend to lean toward having a certain gender.

          “being used for liberal purposes.”
          I’m assuming you’re talking about American politics? If you are, I don’t really understand.

          “One is born male or female, and no amount of labeling will change that.”
          There’s more than male or female, but transpeople are born this way. It was the doctor who slapped the M to my certificate, but obviously, he was wrong. It’s like that. It’s basically fixing the mistake he made by assuming my gender incorrectly.

          “The argue otherwise is to abandon common sense for a fantasyland of one’s own making.”
          You mean the fantasyland of transpeople being murdered daily for no reason, lack of healthcare or housing, or otherwise being humiliated and insulted just about everywhere? I’m not really sure what you’re getting at.

          • Billy Chickens

            Yes, you do know what we’re getting at. You could not possibly be that obtuse. And don’t think for one minute we believe the bit about healthcare, and if you’re going to be transgender then don’t complain and whine about other people because you should have thought of that aspect of reality beforehand.
            The reason the doctor put “M” on your birth certificate is quite obvious.

          • Sara van der Merwe

            I’m South African, healthcare, especially for transpeople, is not very good. I don’t know why you care so much, though. And it’s creepy with you assuming what genitals I have.

          • Billy Chickens

            Re: Your comment on “creepy”. You’re the one who mentioned which genitals you had at birth, and still have now, in paragraph 3 a few comments above. Methinks you protesteth too much. In addition, what is not helping the situation is that you are finding only people who agree with you and of course you’d find a therapist who agrees with you. However, when living a normal life, people do not need therapists.

            No, science has not backed up being transgender, and yes, it is a mental disorder, and no, I’ve never been uncomfortable perceiving myself as the sex I was born which is the sex God made me. And per your first comment at the top, even if you’re not a Christian, God still exists and we are all bound by the natural law no matter what religion we are, or none at all.

            God is real and one day you will stand before Him and have to account for your life on earth. No whining will get you out of that, no excuses will be accepted, and any lies would obviously be seen right through. So you might as well look at yourself now and the life you’re leading before…well, before it’s too late.

          • River

            With that logic, Billy, I can safely call all Christians Schizophrenic.

            Thanks for that.

          • Yah Saves

            “It was the doctor who slapped the M to my certificate, but obviously, he was wrong.”

            You either had a penis at birth or you didn’t. It’s just that simple. The doctor probably knows the difference.

          • Sara van der Merwe

            I was born intersex, so he didn’t.

          • Yah Saves

            “I was born intersex,”

            No you weren’t. “intersex” didn’t exist. There was no such animal until a freak organisation made the term up. probably the UN. We are living in the most grotesquely immoral and ignorant times this land has ever known.

          • Sara van der Merwe

            I was born with ambiguous genitals, so I was assigned male based on what they saw. It happens all the time and it’s nothing new. Ever heard of the word ‘hermaphrodite?’ It’s akin to that, but a more accurate term.

          • Yah Saves

            What’s wrong with term hermaphrodite? And BTW- In no way is “intersex” a more accurate term.
            My sister in law is a hermaphrodite. No one looking at her would be confused as to her gender- and neither is she.

            In the very rare condition such as yours, if the child has “ambiguous genitals”, go to step B. You do know that an archaeologist can tell if a skeleton is male or female simply by looking at the bones, right? So can a blood test( even before you were born -NIPT). Every cell in your body knows what “gender” you are- even if you don’t.

          • Sara van der Merwe

            You’re not going to mention the fact that transwomen have brain patterns and structures of ciswomen?

          • Bob Blaylock

              Only perverts use terms like “ciswomen”.  There is no other kind of women, from which genuine women need any such prefix to distinguish them.

          • Sara van der Merwe

            How am I a pervert?

          • Bob Blaylock

              If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck…

          • Sara van der Merwe

            What does that have to do with anything?

          • begroeg

            You are not a pervert. You just suffer from a mental disorder. I have compassion for you and will pray for you.

          • Sara van der Merwe

            I don’t, but thanks anyway?

          • River

            So Christianity is a mental disorder too, I’d imagine?

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Pervert: alter (something) from its original course, meaning, or state to a distortion or corruption of what was first intended.

            Just because you reject what God has intended doesn’t make it real.

          • Sara van der Merwe

            You know what? For your sake, I will be a pervert. What will you do about it? Why do you care in the first place? And if your god did plan this out, who’s to say he didn’t want transpeople to be trans? I used to be a hardcore Dutch Reformed Christian when I lived in Johannesburg. I’ve heard it all.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Well, at least you’re admitting the truth. That’s a start. What will I do about it? Only what I have done. Tell ya the truth and point you to The Cure. As for anything else, you are a child of wrath and that comes from God. Vengeance and Justice are His. And He WILL rightly award them to you. His perfect Justice WILL be had.

            Why do I care? Because I love you enough to not want that to happen. Because I’d rather you turn from your wicked ways and beg God to forgive and accept you. Because I’d rather you walk in the Truth and truly be all that God created you to be than living under the deception, delusion, denial, and lies of Satan.

            Who’s to say that God didn’t want people to be trans? God did. That’s who. And He is The One who gets to make the decision. NOT any mere mortal.

            NO, you did NOT used to be any kind of Christian. Reformed or otherwise. You may have been a Poser or you may have just been someone who took some title.

            I can go to McDonald’s every Sunday, read their menu everyday, and call myself a Big Mac all day long everyday. That don’t make me one. IF you WERE a Christian, you would never have asked the question that you just did about God.

            More importantly, you better hope to God you were never truly a Christian because if you were, you are hopeless lost now and doomed to Eternity in Hell.

            “For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, if they fall away,[fn] to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to an open shame.” (Heb. 6:4-6)

            And thank you for admitting that you’ve “heard it all”.

            “How then will they call on Him in whom they have not believed? How will they believe in Him whom they have not heard? And how will they hear without a preacher?” (Rom. 10:14)

            “so that they are without excuse.” (Rom. 1:20)

          • Sara van der Merwe

            Why would you call yourself a big mac? I’m not calling myself a boerie burger or a mctasty. I’m telling you, without a doubt, that I am a girl. There’s a difference that you don’t seem to grasp. One is an inanimate food item, the other is a human gender. It’s the same reason why the “attack helicopter” excuse doesn’t work.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            No Sir, it’s not I who is having trouble grasping reality. The analogy stands on it’s own. If you don’t get it, that’s your problem. But no surprise. Denial and Deception are powerful forces that lead to delusion.

            Call yourself whatever you want. Shout it from the rooftops everyday. Repeat the lie loud, long, and often if that’s what you choose. Just don’t expect anyone else to join in with your delusion. And don’t disrespect others by demanding they do so. Be content to live in your own little fantasy land and let everyone else alone!!

            And be assured that no matter how long you choose to live your lie it will NEVER change the Truth and one day your fantasy will all come to a screeching halt when you do meet your Creator that you rejected for a few measly moments of self-gratification and self-glorification. And on that day you will face reality without ANY delusion where upon you WILL hear the sentence placed upon you for your rebellion. Then you will bow to the God you have mocked and hated for your few earthly years. Only to then be hurled into the Lake of Fire for ALL Eternity with all others who chose to live out their selfish, self-gratifying, self-glorifying pitiful existence.

          • Sara van der Merwe

            I’d rather be in hell than in heaven surrounded by people like you. Surely a just god would want followers to be loving, accepting, and free from judgement. You have shown none of those qualities.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            And you will get your wish.

            Oh but I have. You just refuse to let-go of being your own god and defining what those things mean.

            Not to mention your hypocritical “unloving”, “unaccepting”, and “judgmental” statement about “otherkins”.

            But hey, thank you for showing everyone that you support every perversion under the sun and that the Gov’t should not discriminate against Andromimetophilia, Anthropophagolagnia, Autoandrophilia, Autogynephilia, Autonepiophilia, Autopedophilia, Autoplushophilia, Chronophilia, Coprophilia, Ephebophilia, Exhibitionists, Gerontophilia, Gynandromorphophilia, Gynemimetophilia, Hebephilia, Infantophilia, Necrophilia, Pederasty, Pedophilia, Peodeiktophilia, Pedovestism, Piquerism, Raptophilia, Scoptophilia, Stigmatophilia, Toucherism, Transvestophilia, Troilism, Urolagnia, Urophagia, Zoophilia, and a whole bunch more!

            No doubt Ted Bundy, Jeffrey Dahmer, John Wayne Gacy, Gary Ridgeway, and a host of others wish you had been in control of the Gov’t while they were around.

          • Sara van der Merwe

            Why should I listen to the snide, condescending, self righteous, bigoted Christian in anything? You’ve done nothing but attempt to insult and demean me in what you call love. Clearly, you have no friends based on your own definition, and you sit here calling me a hypocrite without taking a look at your own hypocrisy.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            There ya go again. More of the PC Liberal whiny victim-mentality attempt at diversion because you have nothing else. Your god-complex faux omniscience fails you again. One day Sir you’ll understand you don’t have that ability and it serves you no good.

            Clearly? LOL There’s NO way you see anything “clearly”. Ya got way too many Giant Sequoia Trees sticking outta your eye socket and your just plain blind to any truth because of your willful desire to cling to your sin, reject the Truth and rebel against your Creator.

            Wanna try again or is that the best ya got?

          • River

            Or your own fantasy will come to a halt when you die and realize your religion is bull.

            Just saying.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Or your own fantasy will come to a halt when you die and realize your religion is bull.

            Just saying.

          • River

            Royce… you just used a verbal definition to prove your point. Wow.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            That’s from the Dictionary. You should try it some time. Thank you though. Glad you’re impressed.

          • Yah Saves

            Brain patterns? Really? No, I’m talking about cell structures, organs and blood- you know- DNA. This entire discussion is retarded. We’re talking about someone being able to know if they are a boy or a girl. The next time I hear someone say we have evolved, I may just slap them. Damn are we stupid. As our very liberty erodes, we are discussing which bathroom to use. Gee, what a coincidence……we are acting just like every past civilization did before it collapsed.

          • Sara van der Merwe

            Science has proved that gender is based on the structures and chemical amounts in our brains, to put it simply. It’s not as cut and dry as this, but basically, transwomen actually have the brain patterns of ciswomen. It has little to do with genitals, however, most society sees the genitals and simply follows the strict gender binary where each gender must adhere to their peers in dress and mannerisms. And we did evolve, but transpeople (and even transgender-like behaviors in some animals) have been recorded since forever, so no one really knows when it started to happen regularly.

          • Yah Saves

            You lost me at “Science has proved”. Good luck to you.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            “Science has proved that gender is based on the structures and chemical amounts in our brains”

            No, to put it simply, that’s a lie.

            “You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies. (Jn 8:44)

            “so no one really knows when it started to happen regularly.”

            “Regularly” is subjective. But all Christians know when it started. It started the very moment God removed His spirit from Adam & Eve for their disobedience and SIN!!

            And btw, I’ll say it here so I don’t have to in case I see another reference to humans being like animals and what happens in nature, blah blah blah…

            Animals in nature eat their own. Advocate for the one you must advocate for the other.

          • Sara van der Merwe

            Humans are animals. We have the same features as with so many other species, if not all. It’s not really contestable at this point. It’s so obvious.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            It’s only obvious to the spiritually-dead who can’t see the truth and rather choose to live a lie.

            Now, go run along little fella and eat your own… or be a hypocrite!

          • Sara van der Merwe

            Wow. I’m at a loss for words at how dumb that statement is.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            The statement is not dumb at all. Only the one who fails to grasp the very simple logic in it. Let me see if I can help you with the elementary reasoning needed to understand the simple concept.

            YOU said “Humans are animals. We have the same features as with so many other species, if not all. It’s not really contestable at this point. It’s so obvious.”

            Therefore YOU equate humans to animals. By your own words and admission. And YOU claim it’s not “really contestable” (once again showing your god-complex and selfishness and disrespect for anyone who doesn’t kowtow to your delusion). Therefore IF what you said WERE true, you would have to by necessity advocate for humans to eat their own.

            You are right about one thing though… you ARE at a loss. In fact, you’re just plain lost.

          • Sara van der Merwe

            Humans in some cultures, or just because they wanted to, have eaten other humans. Or, will you deny this blatant fact as well? Animals kill each other. Humans kill each other. Animals hunt for food, as with humans. We have the same biological functions. Animals build their own societies, as do humans. We make a lot of fancy things and breed much more, but that’s about it. Seriously. Crows hold funerals, dolphins give each others names. apes and chimpanzees are capable of learning sign language, dogs can sense when a human is looking at them, and bees have a queendom. How are humans any different?

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Nope, wouldn’t deny that fact at all. It goes to prove the doctrine of Totally Depravity.

            Sorry to see you justify it and approve of it as normal behavior. But that does explain much!!

            How are humans any different? Good question and deserve a great answer..,

            “Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; and let them rule over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the [fn]sky and over the cattle and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” 27 God created man in His own image, in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.”

          • River

            Humans are animals. This is solid science.

            Seriously, Royce. Reject Jesus and accept science into your life before you loose what little brain matter is left.

            I can’t take much more of this stupid.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Run along and practice your religion by eating your own. Or would you just rather admit your wrong and a hypocritical liar?

          • Sara van der Merwe

            In a forum? I’ll stick to scientific journals and peer reviewed articles.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            LOL. As if there were no scientists there. Thanks again for showing your close-mindedness, bigotry, and bias.

            Google “Larry Vardiman+RATE” sometime.

            And it’s nice to know that you accept the “Sexuality and Gender: Findings from the Biological, Psychological, and Social Sciences,” that was published by The New Atlantis: A Journal of Technology and Society AND was peer reviewed by 200+ people!!!

            Why don’t you just be honest and admit that you will ONLY accept the “science” that fits with what YOU choose to believe according to your own ways since you are your own god and get to make all those decisions for YOU because ONLY YOU matter?!

          • River

            Yeah, Eve gave into sin by eating an apple. No wonder obesity is running rampant.

            Apples are the devil.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Galatians 6:7 – Do not be deceived: God is not mocked, for whatever one sows, that will he also reap.

            Psalm 1:1-6 – Blessed is the man who walks not in the counsel of the wicked, nor stands in the way of sinners, nor sits in the seat of scoffers; but his delight is in the law of the Lord, and on his law he meditates day and night. He is like a tree planted by streams of water that yields its fruit in its season, and its leaf does not wither. In all that he does, he prospers. The wicked are not so, but are like chaff that the wind drives away. Therefore the wicked will not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the congregation of the righteous; …

            Romans 2:6-8 – He will render to each one according to his works: to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and immortality, he will give eternal life; but for those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, there will be wrath and fury.

            Psalm 14:1-4 – The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.” They are corrupt, they do abominable deeds, there is none who does good. The Lord looks down from heaven on the children of man, to see if there are any who understand, who seek after God. They have all turned aside; together they have become corrupt; there is none who does good, not even one.

            Psalm 1:1 – Blessed is the man who walks not in the counsel of the wicked, nor stands in the way of sinners, nor sits in the seat of scoffers

            Thanks for the opportunity to share more Light

          • River

            You realize that Christian fanatics and radicalism destroyed more civilizations than well.. anything, right?

            Read a history book, people. The Bible doesn’t count.

          • Yah Saves

            The most accurate history book of all time…doesn’t count. Brilliant. And just so you’ll know, secularism murdered more people in the 20th century than did Religion murder….EVER!!! Yes, please crack a book.

          • Sara van der Merwe

            Very little of the Bible’s history is actually based on historical fact. Some of it simply has no evidence for ever happening.

          • Yah Saves

            You mean we haven’t confirmed everything in the Bible yet? true. That does NOT however illustrate any of it as being errant. A few years ago, we didn’t think Sodom and Gomorrah were real places….until we found it!! Skeptics always get impaled by the spade of the archaeologists. That is why you (or anyone else) can not show a single historical blunder in Scripture-not one.

          • Bob Blaylock

              Not the same thing.  True hermaphoditism means the presence of functional male and female reproductive systems in the same organism.  At the very least, functional ovaries producing viable eggs, and functional testes producing viable sperm. This occurs in some lower animals, such as snails and some kinds of worms.  I don’t know that it is even possible at all in mammals, including humans; I’m given to understand that the hormones required to support one prevent the other from also existing.

              If human hermaphrodites exist at all, they must be extremely rare, even compared to other forms of intersex aberrations.

          • Yah Saves

            Like I said here before, my sister-in-law is a hermaphrodite…..so i’m told. Here’s the question Bob: When was the first time you heard of the term Hermaphrodite? And when was the first time you heard of the term intersex?

          • River

            People also didn’t know what birth control was for thousands of years. Or that a cervix was a thing. Or what appendicitis was. Or adipose tissue. We also thought the earth was flat and that hot women were witches.

            So what point were you trying to prove here, exactly?

          • Yah Saves

            “People also didn’t know what birth control was for thousands of years.”

            Follow the bouncing ball George. When I was a kid, there was birth control. There was not, however, intersex. If ya don’t know or have a point, just shut up. How ’bout that?

          • Sara van der Merwe

            I don’t really care what a future archeologist says about my bones. I’m more interested in my life while I’m actually alive to do anything. And right now, I’m pretty darn sure I’m a girl. Just about everyone I know agrees with me (ant not out of pity or anything, they just know that it’s a real thing). Look, if this whole thing (for me) came about recently and it was more like, “Hey, it’d be cool to be a girl,” then yeah, it might not be real and would only be a phase. However, it’s been a burning thought of mine daily since I was five. I didn’t understand it then because I was growing up in a strict Dutch Reformed household. I barely even knew what having sex meant until I turned 20, and I’m 22.

            Ever since I transitioned, I’ve never been happier. I hated myself before. I was suicidal, depressed, and constantly miserable being seen and treated like a white male in South Africa, when I knew that I was supposed to be a girl. When I actually mustered up the courage to tell my family and friends, they supported me the whole way, and now that no one can even tell I was ever thought to be male, my confidence and happiness have never been higher. So please, never act like you or my cells know more about my own gender than I actually know about my gender. I’m a sentient being, I know my gender better than anyone else on this planet.

          • Yah Saves

            Take care

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            “I’m more interested in my life while I’m actually alive to do anything.”

            Thank you again for showing that you CHOOSE to be your own god, what is important to you, and what/who you live for.

            “And right now, I’m pretty darn sure I’m a girl.”

            THAT right there proves you know better but have CHOSEN to cling to your sin instead of confessing (agreeing with God), repenting (turning from your sin), and surrendering to Christ as His slave to serve Him instead of yourself.

            “Just about everyone I know agrees with me”

            You can find and surround yourself with all the People Pleasers you want. OR you can find those who respect and love you enough to tell you the truth. Just being on this site and “common sense” should tell you that that vast majority of people would tell you that you are confused and living a lie.

            “Ever since I transitioned, I’ve never been happier. ”

            One day you WILL find that life was never about you being “happy”. God is always much more concerned with one’s Holiness than their Happiness. And one day you WILL find out that the temporal, temporary happiness you found in the few, short years you live on this planet will vaporize compared to the span of Eternity. Especially Eternity in the torment of the Lake of Fire for having rejected God and selfishly served yourself and your own deviant, sick pleasures.

            Here’s what you KNOW whether you will ever admit it or not…

            18 For the wrath of God IS REVEALED from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because that which IS KNOWN about God IS EVIDENT within them; for God MADE IT EVIDENT o them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been CLEARLY SEEN, being understood through what has been made, so that they are WITHOUT EXCUSE 21 For even though they KNEW God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools (Rom. 1:18-22)

            “This is the judgment, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the Light, for their deeds were evil. For everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come to the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.” (Jn 3:19-20)

          • Sara van der Merwe

            I’m an atheist. I don’t believe there are any gods, much less myself being one. And why wouldn’t I pick friends who actually like me? Doesn’t make sense to befriend someone I know will misgender me constantly.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Oh, you do believe there is a God. You’ve just chosen to deny it and reject Him. And you are your own god. From Webster’s:

            god: a person or thing of supreme value

            YOU have chosen to serve, glorify, and worship YOU. YOU are your own god. For now. But that will end.

            Of course surrounding yourself with the subjects who please you fit within your kingdom. Too bad you reject The One who surrounded Himself with those who hated Him and yet He still gave them the Truth and died for them so that those who would surrender and believe would be with Him forever.

          • Sara van der Merwe

            You know what? I am a goddess. Bow down before me and give me chocolate!

            I don’t think you know what you’re talking about. Not one of you people has shown any respect or understanding, and you’re just instigating an argument by insulting everything I do. Don’t blame this on me, either. I didn’t start off picking a fight.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Thank you for once again showing your disrespect.

            And then you turn around and talk about respect. Thank you for once again showing your blindness to the Truth and utter hypocrisy. It never takes long for the sons of disobedience to show their true colors.

            Of course you don’t know what I’m talking about. But if you would surrender your life to Christ and bow to Him instead of yourself, you would begin to understand. For you would be Born Again as a New Creation in Christ.

          • Sara van der Merwe

            Christians like you are precisely why I left the church. I don’t know how you justify your actions when you’re just driving others away with your bigoted intolerance.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Uh, no. That’s another lie. The reason you left the church is because you willfully chose to be your own god and cling to your sin. You love your sin more than the Savior who died for you. Pathetic and illogical as that is, that IS the truth.

            “This is the judgment, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the Light, for their deeds were evil. 20 For everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come to the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed.”

            Beyond that, while it is true that cockroaches flee for cover when the light is turned on, it is NOT the light that “drives” them away. They flee for the comfort of their Darkness. No difference with you. You prefer your Darkness to Light. Lies to Truth. Hate to Love.

            One simply can’t make a spiritually-dead person any more dead. And God has said the Gospel is an offence to the Unbeliever and Believers are as the stench of death to Unbelievers.

            1 Peter 2:7-8 – So the honor is for you who believe, but for those who do not believe, “The stone that the builders rejected has become the cornerstone,” and “A stone of stumbling, and a rock of offense.” They stumble because they disobey the word, as they were destined to do.

            1 Corinthians 1:18 – For the word of the cross is folly to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God.

            2Co 2:15-16 – For we are the aroma of Christ to God among those who are being saved and among those who are perishing, (16) to one a fragrance from death to death, to the other a fragrance from life to life. Who is sufficient for these things?

            Joh 16:7-8 – Nevertheless, I tell you the truth: it is to your advantage that I go away, for if I do not go away, the Helper will not come to you. But if I go, I will send him to you. (8) And when he comes, he will convict the world concerning sin and righteousness and judgment:

          • Sara van der Merwe

            It’s not the verses. It’s you. I’ve read the bible many times. I grew up in a biblical society. I was raised with religion. I left because of the hatred from people like you, those who deny their selfrighteousness.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Boy howdy, you really are dense aren’t you? Why must I have to repeat myself? Evidently you’ve forgotten my McDonald’s analogy. So here, try this one on for size. I can go to the garage, run in circles and call myself a car, make little engine noises, read books that tell me all about how to build a car from scratch but that’ll never make me a car.

            As for reading the Bible, you can read it until the cows come home and you’ll never understand any of it. Remember this?

            When the spiritually dead try to read the Book of Life it’s like a blind man trying to read a road map before hopping in the car to drive. You have to get a heart transplant before you can have eyes to see.

            “The unbeliever does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him. And he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.” (1st Cor. 2:14)

            That said, IF you will die to yourself by surrendering your life as a slave to Christ and stop being your own god, confess your sins before Christ, pick up your cross and follow Him as your new Lord and Master, and beg Him to save you, He will. Then you will be able to see. (Matt. 16:24)

            And, you lie again. You left the church because you loved to cling to your sin more than the Savior and your own self-righteous god-complex puffs up your pride so that anyone else who is truly holy and righteously clothed in Christ who speaks the truth to you is an offence.

            And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For everyone practicing evil hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his deeds should be exposed. (Jn 3:19-20)

            7 Therefore, to you who believe, He is precious; but to those who are disobedient, ​

            ​​“The stone which the builders rejected
            ​​Has become the chief cornerstone,”

            8 and

            ​​​“A stone of stumbling
            ​​And a rock of offense.”

          • Sara van der Merwe

            Go be a car for all I care. I’ll continue being a girl like I always do.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            No Sir. You’ll continue to be a man just as God created you to be who CHOOSES to cling to his perversion and SIN and live a lie so as to be self-deluded. Just as God has said.

            18 For the wrath of God IS REVEALED from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because that which IS KNOWN about God IS EVIDENT within them; for God MADE IT EVIDENT o them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been CLEARLY SEEN, being understood through what has been made, so that they are WITHOUT EXCUSE 21 For even though they KNEW God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools (Rom. 1:18-22)

            “And you are dead in your trespasses and sins, 2 in which you walk according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience. 3 Among them you live in the lusts of your flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and are by nature children of wrath” (Eph. 2:1-4)

            Now I must go away for a bit again. You may go wallow in your sin and walk in your Darkness or you can come back here and spew more of your lies which will give me another opportunity to shine the light of truth on them when I get back.

          • Sara van der Merwe

            Meh. To be honest, you’re getting dull. I’m still not convinced you’ve even read the bible. By the way, Ek is ‘n trans vrou. ‘N vrou. Not a man. Get that through your thick skull already.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Well sir, I’m truly not the least bit concerned with whether you believe I’ve read the Bible or not. One thing is for sure and certain, I’ve pasted enough Scripture on here to show that I do know the Word of God and it wouldn’t be surprising if that is more than you’ve read in your entire life.

            I have NO idea what that gibberish is that you just posted. Some kind of demonic speak?

            Nonetheless, no sir, you’re a man. By your own admission on here you’ve shown that. Severely deluded, yes, but a man nonetheless.

            I’d like to give you the benefit of the doubt, which I did early on, and say that you are just a very confused individual and perhaps need some mental help but after all your posts it is quite evident now that you are just a son of disobedience who has clearly rejected God because you love being your own god and worshipping yourself for your own glory and happiness.

            So just enjoy it while you can because the day is coming when you will NEVER know enjoyment, pleasure, or happiness again. And that torment WILL last FOREVER.

            18 For the wrath of God IS REVEALED from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because that which IS KNOWN about God IS EVIDENT within them; for God MADE IT EVIDENT o them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been CLEARLY SEEN, being understood through what has been made, so that they are WITHOUT EXCUSE 21 For even though they KNEW God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools (Rom. 1:18-22

          • Sara van der Merwe

            Demonic speak?? That’s Afrikaans! It’s an incredibly important language in South Africa. How could you call it demon speak? That makes no sense. Just… what?

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Golly gee Wally, I had no idea you had such a problem with the English language on top of all your other problems.

            Most folks would understand what “I have NO idea what that gibberish is that you just posted” means and what the question mark at the end of “Some kind of demonic speak?” means as well.

          • Sara van der Merwe

            I’m a native English speaker, but I’m also an afrikaner. It’s a Germanic language, like Dutch and English. And Google has a translating service. It’s not hard to copy and paste what I said. Ek is ‘n vrou. I am a woman. En vrou.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Well, being a native English speaker then should indicate that you would have no problem with speaking English in verbal or written form. So there should be no confusion.

            Just as, sir, there should be no confusion in whether your are a man or woman. As you have admitted, “There’s no denying what’s between my legs…”

            Which is indicative of exactly what I said in one of my last posts. You are not confused. You’re simply being disobedient and rebellious to the God you know that has created you as a man to serve and glorify Him.

          • Sara van der Merwe

            Just because I can speak English doesn’t mean I’m familiar with every aspect of the language, and please take into account words or phrases common to different parts of the world. Would you know what I meant if I asked you to get me a doppie? Or, “This song is befok!” Or even, “Are we having that braai today, ja?” I don’t know why you’re so hard on my case. Jy is ‘n doos.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            I understand. Thank you, sir, for clearing that up.

          • Sara van der Merwe

            You’re welcome, ma’am.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Ah, see? Ya just can’t help yourself can ya? All that phony baloney talk about “respect”.

            Thanks again for showing your true colors. We Christians get it. Ya just can’t help yourselves because you have chosen to reject Almighty God.

            “And you are dead in your trespasses and sins, 2 in which you walk according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience. 3 Among them you live in the lusts of your flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and are by nature children of wrath” (Eph. 2:1-4)

            ALL sexual immorality is a choice and when it comes to the perversion of Gender Dysphoria, Jesus said it best: ““Have you not read that He who created them from the beginning MADE THEM MALE AND FEMALE”.

            NOTE: “Have you not read” – THAT refers to the very Word of God”

            “that He who created” – THAT refers to God. The Creator. When one wants to know the make, model, & purpose of a creation it’s best to go to the Creator for details and instructions.

            “from the beginning” – THAT refers to the “beginning”. If you’re confused about what that means, try a Dictionary.

            “made them” – See “who created” above.

            “male and female” – THAT refers to the Creation. It’s specific and it’s definitive. No in-between, no confusion, no exceptions.

            Jesus said, “‘FOR THIS REASON A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER AND BE JOINED TO HIS WIFE, AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH’?”

            Note: Jesus was not confused, God is not confused, and the true Children of God are not confused by who a Father is, who a Mother is, who a Man is, who a Woman is, or what Marriage is!

            When any God-hating self-proclaimed god of their own universe says “The truth is….”; whenever the sexually immoral that reject God’s truth say, “The truth is…”; whenever the spiritually-dead who’ve rejected God’s truth say, “The truth is…”; you can pretty much bet the farm that what follows is NOT the Truth.

          • Sara van der Merwe

            Yeah, and I’m female, so what’s the problem, ma’am? Wasn’t my fault your god gave me ambiguous genitalia.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            No sir you are NOT and that has been proven by your own words and admissions.

            And thank you for showing everyone your hypocrisy!! You start out by asking for respect but do NOT show the respect for Christians or anybody else who won’t buy into your delusion. And then to top it off you intentionally call me the opposite of what I am when there is NO confusion on anybody’s part.

            Your own words confirm that the doctor saw a penis and there is NO mention of a vagina. Your own words confirm “there is no mistaking” what’s between your legs!!!

            Finally, God does not make mistakes. But YOU do!

            As for anyone else who might be following this and sincerely asking the question about hermaphrodites or such, remember, God does NOT make mistakes but SIN has corrupted God’s perfection since the Fall. Sin brought death to the world and it corrupted all creation since it entered the world. Mankind is no different.

            That said, though sin may corrupt God’s creation in the womb, it can NEVER totally change what’s there. God forms ALL humans as Man or Woman. Period.

            Whatever this man’s name truly is, his problem is NOT his gender dysphoria. His problem is that he’s chosen to reject God and be his own god.

            And there’s just NO getting around that. Either he surrenders to Christ once and for all, either he becomes a slave to Christ or he remains a slave to his own sin and suffers the consequences of his decision.

          • Dirk Niemand

            Jy is die enige een wat dink hy het a doos.

          • Dirk Niemand

            What does your DNA say? You want to stick with science, so let science decide what you are.
            Somehow I suspect that science will agree with the Bible, that having a penis makes you a man, and all the wishful thinking to be a woman, all the self claims and deceptions to try and be a woman, are in vain. You will never be a woman in the true sense of the word, only an imitator of the real thing.

            So stop asking for respect and understanding for your delusion, you are a fong-kong product.

          • Frank G Turner

            Do you know what X and Y chromosomes are? Are you even aware that in humans the X chromosome contains instructions for how to form both a penis and a vagina? Are you aware of hermaphroditism and that sometimes forms of it occur in humans?
            .
            I have a feeling that you are unaware of all of these things. Interesting that you want to take over the education system being as poorly educated as you appear to be.

          • Sara van der Merwe

            Meh. At this point, I don’t really care. I just do my thing, and at the end of the day, or at the very beginning in my current case since it’s almost 5 in the morning here, your opinions on my gender matter little. They don’t matter at all, in fact.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Thank you for showing your true colors once again and your compulsion for lying.

            You do care because you keep coming back here to spew your lies. You don’t “just do your own thing” because you had to come here and try to push your perversion on everyone else. And, thank God, it didn’t fly. Didn’t even come close. Ya got shut down.

            If the truth about your gender didn’t matter, you wouldn’t be coming back here at 0500 your time. The TRUTH is that you have no peace and you’ll never have any peace as long as there are those of us who have the Truth shine light on your lies.

            You KNOW you’re living a lie, just as Romans 1:18-22 that I’ve posted several times now, says you do. You keep trying to get the acceptance and approval to assuage your guilt and THAT is why you’re here and THAT is why you do care.

            Unfortunately for you, you will NEVER get that acceptance and approval you’re looking for. Right up until the day you stand before the Christ which you’ve been rejecting.

            “But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.” (Rev. 21:8)

            YOU are in that list in more than one category. Thank you for giving me another opportunity to shine the light on you and your lies.

          • Sara van der Merwe

            I came back because I woke up because I had to pee. My phone buzzed, and I saw this again. I don’t care what you say about my gender, but you are crazy enough for me to see where this goes.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Thank you for continuing to show your hypocrisy. “Crazy”? Only thing missing in that was the “respect” you whined about. Again showing that you have no intention of giving what you whine for.

            And, once again, you showed yourself a Liar. Thank you. You can continue to say you don’t care, just like you can continue to deny you’re a man and call yourself whatever, but the fact is you do care because you just keep showing up. Or did your phone force you to type that?

            “O LORD, God of vengeance,
            God of vengeance, shine forth!
            Rise up, O Judge of the earth,
            Render recompense to the proud.
            How long shall the wicked, O LORD,
            How long shall the wicked exult?
            They pour forth words, they speak arrogantly;
            All who do wickedness vaunt themselves…
            They have said, “The LORD does not see,
            Nor does the God of Jacob pay heed.”
            Pay heed, you senseless among the people;
            And when will you understand, stupid ones?” (Ps. 94:1-8)

            5 The thoughts of the righteous are just,
            But the counsels of the wicked are deceitful.
            6 The words of the wicked lie in wait for blood,
            But the mouth of the upright will deliver them.
            7 The wicked are overthrown and are no more,
            But the house of the righteous will stand.
            8 A man will be praised according to his insight,
            But one of perverse mind will be despised. (Prov. 12:5-8)

            The fact is you do care. You keep proving it and for all the reasons I just stated. Thank you again for letting me shine the light on you and your lies.

          • Sara van der Merwe

            It’s prettier in Swedish

            Hämndens Gud, Herre,
            hämndens Gud, visa dig!

            Res dig, du jordens domare,
            ge de stolta vad de förtjänar!

            Hur länge ska de gudlösa, Herre,
            hur länge ska de gudlösa
            triumfera?

            Deras tal flödar av fräckhet,
            alla förbrytare förhäver sig.

            Herre, de krossar ditt folk,
            de förtrycker din arvedel,

            de dödar änkor och främlingar
            och mördar de faderlösa,

            och de säger:
            “Herren ser det inte,
            Jakobs Gud märker det inte.”

            Fatta, ni oförnuftiga bland folket!
            Dårar, när ska ni bli kloka?
            _______________________
            dem som säger:
            “Med vår tunga har vi makt,
            våra läppar är med oss.
            Vem är herre över oss?”

            “De svaga förtrycks
            och de fattiga klagar –
            nu griper jag in”, säger Herren,
            “jag ska ge frälsning
            åt den som längtar efter det.”

            Herrens ord är rena ord,
            silver luttrat i degel av jord,
            renat sju gånger.

            Du, Herre, ska bevara dem,
            du ska för evigt beskydda dem
            från detta släkte.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            I suppose that would be the case for someone who reads and understands Swedish AND is a child of God. God’s Word is always “prettiest” when it’s being received by one of His children who desire to do His will and please Him.

          • Sara van der Merwe

            Luckily for me, I know Swedish. But, they’re pretty passages even without being Christian. I won’t deny them that. I can appreciate the work as a cultural creation.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Have NO clue how you find that “pretty” but oh well. Ya won’t think it’s so pretty when you get to experience it.

          • Dirk Niemand

            Please, “read the Bible many times”, you didn’t even know that the mixed cloths verse is in the OT and only applicable to Jews and not Christians. FYI, Orthodox Jews still follow that law of not wearing garments of mix fabrics.

          • River

            You’re insane. Listen to yourself.

            You’re the last person that needs to be giving ANYONE advice.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            What a brilliant, intelligent, well-articulated reasoned response.

            Thank you!! Always love it when the spiritually-dead show just how empty and completely vacuous their rhetoric is. Utter lacking in any reason or substance.

            Always appreciated. Well done!

          • River

            What is a friend supposed to be, Royce? Someone who doesn’t share your views and opinions?

            Because that makes a world of sense.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Of course it makes no sense to you. Because you’ve swallowed the PC and Satanic lie that you’ve got to surround yourself with folks who worship and glorify you.

            A true “Friend” WILL tell you the truth!! Even when it doesn’t fit your worldview or opinion.

            Pretty sad you don’t understand that. But not surprising.

          • Sara van der Merwe

            I don’t think you have many true friends then. And you’re certainly no friend of mine.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Well, one could say that’s what you get for thinking when you’re not used to it but rather I’ll just say your statement only goes to show your complete lack of understanding what a “true friend” actually is.

            That said, you are absolutely correct. I am no friend of yours nor are you a friend of mine.

            In John 15:14 Jesus says, “You are My friends if you do what I command you.” No doubt Jesus had many acquaintances but He chose His friends wisely. As do I. If you do what Jesus commands you (or at least tries to and are willing to), you can be my friend. If you don’t, and you wanna support and call good that which Christ calls Evil, then you are no friend of either of us.

            A friend of Jesus is a friend of mine. Stand in opposition to Jesus and you stand opposed to me as well.

            There is only One friend I will ever need… What a Friend we have in Jesus, All our sins and griefs to bear! What a privilege to carry. Everything to God in prayer! O what peace we often forfeit…

          • River

            Royce is a comedian, everyone.

            I figured it out.

            I laugh my a** off every time I read this delusional and hypocritical word vomit.

            I mean… come on. No one can seriously be this uneducated.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Thank you for once again showing all you got. It’s pretty common knowledge that when morons can’t attack the Message they attack the Messenger.

          • Sara van der Merwe

            You’ve been attacking me this whole time.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Nope. Stop your effeminate whining and pathetic attempt at your PC Liberal victim-mentality diversion tactics. It don’t work. I’ve given you the Truth and I’ve put down ever single one of your lies and attempts to deceive. I’ve shown the light on your lunacy and your delusion. That’s NOT an attack. That’s LOVE and it’s REALITY.

          • brothergc

            so says you , I respect the guy , even aplaude him and say well done . it is You who is delusional and I see not one word of truth in you river

          • Sara van der Merwe

            How? To a nonbeliever like me, he’s making your religion look terribly hostile right about now. All those bible verses are for naught.

          • Dirk Niemand

            Then he is doing a great job. The Gospel of Jesus will appear hostile to those possessed by demons.

          • Dirk Niemand

            The only second rate comedian on this blog is you River, with you absolute ignorance which you so proudly display for all to see. I guess that is why you use a pseudonym like River. I would too if I was as ignorant as you.

          • Bob Blaylock

              Actually, there is such a think as intersex.  It’s a collection of extremely rare genetic, hormonal, or developmental defects,that result in a person who is not truly male nor truly female.  It’s not the same thing as “transgenderism”, and has nothing to do with it.

              Intersex refers to a variety of genuine physical aberrations.  “Transgenderism” is purely a mental/moral defect.

          • Yah Saves

            “Actually, there is such a think as intersex. ”

            Yes, I know. There are also about 85 genders now. My point was, and still is, that this is a recent thing and it didn’t exist when I was young. BTW, you can have genetic issues or aberrations but your cells still scream what gender you are….so does your skeleton, your blood, and your organs.

          • Sara van der Merwe

            It’s not even an “ism.” We’re transgender. That’s it. I still don’t even know what you people have against it that’s a real reason.

        • River

          “Fantasyland…”

          You mean like religion?

      • Royce E. Van Blaricome

        “there plenty of bio men with XX and bio women with XY.”

        Another lie. Proving once again what I said and the Scriptures I quoted to back it up.

  • Sara van der Merwe

    As an actual transgirl, I don’t particularly care what the Bible says about us as I’m not a Christian (and I don’t know how this article ended up in my feed, but it did so I gave it a read). My main concern is how people treat me, and every other transperson. You don’t have to agree with it, but be respectful and don’t misgender/deadname a transperson, please.

    • Bob Blaylock

        There is no such thing as an “actual transgirl”.  You’re nothing more than a delusional, mentally-ill male pervert, who pretends to be something that you are not, and can never be.  It’s not about the Bible, or Christianity, or anything to do with religion.  It’s plain old hard science and biology.

      • Sara van der Merwe

        You took my respect wish and tossed it right out the window. Thank you for that, you bigoted jerk. Mentally ill male pervert. Don’t make me laugh. You wouldn’t even be able to tell I’m a transgirl, and even if you could, what would you do about it? Nothing, and if you did, you’d be in trouble because I mind my own business and I respect other people. Don’t go throwing baseless insults to people you don’t know who are different than you.

        • Bob Blaylock

            If telling the truth makes me a “bigoted jerk” then I”ll proudly wear that label.  I’d rather be a bigoted jerk who tells an uncomfortable truth, than a perverted coward who only tells polite lies.  The truth is that if you were born male, then you will always be male, and can never become female.  To think that you can is a delusion.  Every cell nucleus in your body declares what your true sex is, and you cannot change it.

          • Sara van der Merwe

            I know you like to think that every cell of mine is male, but in reality that isn’t very importan. Besides, I’m more interested in my outward appearance. I’ve also never been male, regardless of what parts I may or may not have.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            “n reality that isn’t very important. Besides, I’m more interested in my”

            Thank you for proving my point. YOU are your own god and YOU are all that matters. Truth simply doesn’t matter to YOU. Only what YOU are interested in. Not Truth, not God, not others. Only YOU.

            What a pathetic, selfish, arrogant, disobedient, and rebellious life to live. How said it is that you refuse to see that. For you DO absolutely KNOW the truth.

          • Sara van der Merwe

            Yeah, I’m focusing on me because I’m really the only one who can improve my own life. It has nothing to do with selfishness. Besides, this is about my gender. I’m doing what’s best for me. In my very first statement, I said “You don’t have to agree with it, but be respectful and don’t misgender/deadname a transperson, please.” I don’t know what your problem is. Right from the start, my rather innocent comment about not calling transwomen men has done nothing but show me that no one here really cares about being even remotely respectful towards us at all.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Luk 17:33: “Whoever seeks to save his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life will preserve it.”

            Your definition of serving yourself and seeking your own happiness and improving your own life is the epitome of selfishness. It’s blatantly obvious in the word “I”, “my”, “own”, etc.

            But thanks for showing how blind you are. You say, “I’m doing what’s best for me.” And you don’t even see how selfish that is. Although the truth is you’re actually doing the worst possible thing for you that you can. See the verse above.

            You’re right, you don’t know what my problem is BECAUSE it’s not I who has th eproblem. It’s you.

            Now stop being so disrespectful and start practicing what you preach.

            All you’ve done is prove exactly what I said. Unless everybody bows and kowtows to the way YOU think things should be they’re disrespecting you. Well Sir, that just ain’t the way it is.

          • Sara van der Merwe

            It’s Miss, actually. And I said right from the start you don’t have to agree. How am I being disrespectful and selfish for defending myself? Also, what does kowtow mean? Never heard that before.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            No Sir, it’s not. As I stated previously, you can call yourself a hamburger all day long and that don’t make you one. Nor does it require anyone else to do so.

            You are being disrespectful for demanding others buy into and accept your delusion and lies. And, in particular, for not respecting Christians for obeying and following their Lord with your demands.

            As for selfishness, I’ve already listed several specifics from your own words.

          • Sara van der Merwe

            If my link doesn’t show, just search De La Chapelle Syndrome for info on XX males.

          • River

            Um, Royce… hate to break it to you but a burger is food. Anyone identifying as Trans is in fact a human being.

            And I can say you’re being disrespectful if you expect everyone to believe in the delusions and lies of religion. It goes both ways.

            Your argument is invalid.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Sorry the analogy went over your head. I’ll try to simplify things for you.

            I can call myself a 6’5″ Black woman all day long every day of the week. I can join the NAACP. I can even paint my skin black and wear all the latest garb that is popular with the Blacks. I can do and say everything that everyone might think a Black would – but that’ll NEVER make me Black.

            Got it now? Capiche?

          • Sara van der Merwe

            Race is about skin color, society, or ethnicity. It’s way more than the physical and mental side of being transgender. The word “gender” is highly important here. It’s only about gender. Even if otherkin and transrace were really common things, it wouldn’t matter because those people aren’t transgender.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Only in your sinful, self-induced, god-complex delusion. For 6000yrs Gender has been defined by Biology – NOT emotion or feelings.

            Ah, thanks for showing everyone that YOU and only YOU is what matters. Never mind those other perverts and/or mentally-ill and confused who are just as confused as you are. Your openness to show your bigoted, hateful, biased, selfish attitude is appreciated. You’re helping everyone see you for who you are.

            Thanks!!

          • Sara van der Merwe

            You must be a sad, lonely man.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            LOL. Not at all. Boy howdy, you’re doing a phenomenal job of showing everyone REPEATEDLY just how faulty your faux omniscience is.

            THAT didn’t actually get me the gut busting laugh your previous pathetic attempt to throw your father’s fiery dart. Really? Is that the best ya can do? C’mon, surely you can do better?! Now run on back to your daddy and get yourself another little fiery dart to hurl and try again.

            But hey, thanks for showing what you have. And what you don’t. No logic. No reason. No science. No truth. No ability to stand on anything at all. Ah but ya do have the ability to whine and hurl accusations that I’ve been insulting. LOL

            Great job there Gomer!! LOLOLOLOL

          • Alex Cobb

            She’s doing a pretty good job standing up for herself to someone who is undoubtedly a monster. Westboro Baptist would say you’re going too far, chap.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            As if your opinion mattered anything at all. The irony is that you and the Westboro folks will get to share the same Lake of Fire. Who knows, perhaps poetic justice will have you handcuffs together for a period of time to share further torment together.

          • River

            So you’re not trying to buy your way into heaven by chance, right? With good deeds and following His word and what not? Because Christianity is inevitably selfish in itself considering the only reason people follow it is for self-preservation.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            That’s correct. I am most certainly NOT trying to buy my way into Heaven. There are NO good deeds that can EVER come even close to superceding the priceless, precious blood of Christ.

            And, once AGAIN, you show your ignorance of Christians and Christianity. NO Christian is following Christ out of self-preservation.

            ““Whoever seeks to save his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life will preserve it.” (Lk 17:33)

            I don’t expect you to understand that but those who have been Born Again do and those who are being drawn by God to Christ (Jn. 6:44) whose minds are being illuminated by the Holy Spirit will.

            Thanks again for giving me the opportunity to shine the Light on your ignorance and lies.

          • River

            Truth doesn’t matter to you. If it did, you wouldn’t be Christian.

            Fact.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Truth doesn’t matter to you. If it did, you would be Christian.

            Fact.

            There ya go. Fixed it for ya. God says so. Your lies are irrelevant. Your claims empty. No matter how deluded your god-complex continues to be.

          • Sara van der Merwe

            So, about those mixed fabrics…

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Go back and READ what’s already been addressed, answered, and proven a lie. It’s right there in black & white.

            Or you could just shut up and stop showing your ignorance.

          • Sara van der Merwe

            I’m glad to see we’ll be in hell together, you polyester wearing sinner.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            LOL. THAT actually got a really belly busting laugh outta me. Really? Is that the best ya can do? C’mon, that’s really pretty pathetic. Now run on back to your daddy and get yourself another little fiery dart to hurl and try again.

            But hey, thanks for showing what you have. And what you don’t. No logic. No reason. No science. No truth. No ability to stand on anything at all. Ah but ya do have the ability to whine and hurl accusations that I’ve been insulting. LOL

            Great job there Gomer!! LOLOLOLOL

            and the tares are the sons of the evil one; 39 and the enemy who sowed them is the devil, and the harvest is the [fn]end of the age; and the reapers are angels. 40 So just as the tares are gathered up and burned with fire, so shall it be at the [fn]end of the age. 41 The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom [fn]all stumbling blocks, and those who commit lawlessness, 42 and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. (Matt., 13:38-42)

            That’s where you’re headed. Wanna hear about the glorious paradise where I’m going?

            And btw, see I told ya so. You do KNOW the truth and you do KNOW where you’re going AND you do KNOW exactly WHO it is that will hurl your sorry butt into the Lake of Fire.

          • Dirk Niemand

            The mixed fabrics verse is to be found in the OT and applies to Jews not Christians. And here you claim to know about the Bible?
            But I do have a question for you.
            Obviously I assume that the doctor who labelled you a male was experienced enough to realize that you were neither female nor a hermaphrodite, but a male 100%.
            Being a female was your choice.
            My question is, are you attracted sexually to males or females?
            If females, then how are you not a regular male?
            If males, then how are you not just a feminine type homosexual aka a queen?

            I would expect a true transgendered person to be asexual, with the female emotional state of desiring a man cancelling out the male sex urge that desires a woman. Basically a stalemate between the clashing emotional and physical desires resulting in an asexual person.
            Are you asexual? If not then by what measure do you call yourself transgendered and why not simply a gay drag queen?

            Personally I feel the whole transgendered movement, where transgendered men lie about being a women in order to have sex with straight men, to be totally dishonest and insulting to the gay movement, specifically the fems/queens, who also desire to have sex with straight men, but at least have the decency not to lie about their birth gender.

          • Sara van der Merwe

            Not that it’s any of your business and that I planned to let this die, I’m pansexual. I can be attracted to anyone of any gender. My boyfriend doesn’t see me as any less of a woman, so I don’t really know who else should care. Why do you care, anyway?

          • Dirk Niemand

            I’m curious, I’ve never met a transgender in real life. Just trying to understand it.
            Like for example your use of pansexual..?? The ability to be “attracted to anyone of any gender”. Isn’t that called bi-sexual?
            So why pan-sexual, like after Peter Pan? who was attracted to children, is this what you are indirectly telling us?

          • Sara van der Merwe

            Pansexuality just means I can be with anyone of any gender, binary or otherwise. Bisexuality typically deals with just male and female. For example, I could be attracted to a nonbinary person who might express both male and female traits simultaneously without being just one. Currently, I have a boyfriend, but I could be with a girl or otherwise were the situation different.

        • Royce E. Van Blaricome

          Thank you for showing how much you mind your own business and respect other people. THAT is what Jesus would call a Giant Sequoia Tree sticking outta your eye socket.

          Meh? I just call it being a hypocrite. Oh, and returning evil for evil.

    • Royce E. Van Blaricome

      You obviously DO care or you would not have read the article nor bothered to comment here. Your actions betray your words.

      So PLEASE stop the PC Liberal nonsense. You ask for respect and I say good! I wholeheartedly agree. However, that “respect” does NOT necessitate Christians aid in your confusion. When a Christian tells you the truth and you don’t like it or agree with it, that doesn’t mean they are being unloving or disrespectful. Just because you willfully choose to reject God and what His Word has said, so that you can be your own god and worship yourself, does not mean a Christian must capitulate to your sinful desires and aid in your confusion by agreeing to call you something that you are NOT. You ARE a man. Whether you accept it or deny it does not change the truth of it. Period.

      So STOP being disrespectful to Christians by asking them to be complicit in your sin and aiding you in your delusion. If you continue to reject God and practice your immorality, you will suffer the consequences for your choices. You’re free to choose but you are not free from the consequences of your choice.

      And THAT is the most loving and respectful thing I can say to you. Except perhaps for giving you the Gospel. When the time comes that you sense The Father drawing you to Christ, and you’d like to know how to be Born Again and become a new Creation in Christ, just let me know.

      • Sara van der Merwe

        So I can’t ask you to stop disrespecting and misgendering me because it’s ‘disrespectful’ to you? And I said I don’t care about what the bible says. I responded to the article itself.

        • Royce E. Van Blaricome

          Correct. Is it disrespectful to ask a Christian to disobey their Lord and to not speak the truth.

          And nobody is misgendering you. I’m not even sure that’s a word. Probably something akin to the word “gay” and has some made up meaning.

          The article is about what the Bible truly says.

          • Sara van der Merwe

            You called me a man. I’m not a man.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Maybe not according to your own self-deluded imaginations but according to your comments you are.

          • Sara van der Merwe

            I never stated I’m a man. I was born intersex, the doctor thought what I had sufficed as a penis, and gave me an M on my birth certificate. He was wrong, though. It happens all the time.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Yeah, right. Thank you for showing your delusion again. No different than those who think they are really a tiger or a unicorn or whatever. Delusion and Denial are powerful forces.

            That said, however, it’s really irrelevant. Your real problem is not your denial of what’s between your legs. Your REAL problem is your rebellion against and your rejection of God. THAT is what is going to result in Christ hurling you into the Lake of Fire.

            “But the cowardly, unbelieving,[fn] abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.” (Rev. 21:8)

          • Sara van der Merwe

            There’s no denying what’s between my legs, not like it’s your business. It doesn’t matter, though. I’m still a girl. And you’re thinking of otherkin. That is not a real thing, the same way one can’t be an attack helicopter.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            You’re the one who made the decision to come here and share the intimate details about your physical and mental makeup. YOU are the one who made it my business and anyone else’s business who came to these comments.

            No Sir, you are NOT a girl. As I’ve said more than once before on here already. Calling yourself something doesn’t make it so.

            And who are YOU to tell otherkin they’re not real???? Oh yeah, you’re your own god. We got it,. You are the god of your own kingdom and YOU get to decide what is and isn’t real.

            I’m quite certain the “otherkin” appreciate your bigotry and bias and calling them unreal.

            Thank you again for showing everyone who you are.

          • Sara van der Merwe

            Haven’t you been listening to anything I’ve been trying to tell you? I don’t know why I ask. I know the answer is no.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            It’s most obvious to anyone with eyes and a mind that I have been as I have answered each and everyone of your points.

            But there ya go again. You god-complex on display. Haven’t you been listening to anything I’ve been trying to tell you? You’re NEVER going to get those with the Truth to agree with your own ways.

          • Sara van der Merwe

            Most of my friends happen to be Christian. They actually accept me. As a girl. Because I am one. Your blathering doesn’t make me any less a girl, just as though I denied your gender. It means little.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            No Sir. That’s a lie. And again you publicly display your ignorance but in this case it is no surprise. Why should a spiritually-dead, rebellious, son of Satan have ANY idea what a child of God is?

            21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. 22 MANY will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.’ (Matt. 7:21-23)

            Posers will accept that which God condemns. Christians will NOT. NEVER.

            Your blather doesn’t make you a girl or any less a man. Your lies will NEVER change the Truth and your delusion will NEVER change what God has created. Sorry charlie but that’s just the way it is.

          • Sara van der Merwe

            I feel pity for whoever knows you personally.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Oh come now. Really? That’s not even close to being as good as your two previous attempts. I mean, really, c’mon, that’s really pretty pathetic. What’s the matter? Trying on your own now? Your daddy not helping ya anymore because the little fiery darts just keep getting snuffed out?

            But hey, thanks for showing what you have. And what you don’t. No logic. No reason. No science. No truth. No ability to stand on anything at all. Ah but ya do have the ability to whine, hurl accusations that I’ve been insulting, and your pretty pathetic attempts to take your cheap shots. LOL

            Great job there Gomer!! LOLOLOLOL

            Now, I gotta go for awhile but, hey, you go ahead with some more of your lies and fiery darts if ya’d like. I’ll be back to pour a whole bunch of light on them and expose them for what they are. 🙂

          • Sara van der Merwe

            I’m getting apathetic about arguing with you further. You’re as dense as that book you love. Clearly, you haven’t read the thing as much as you’d like to think, and insofar, you’ve done nothing but push me further away.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Thanks for showing once again that all you got is name-calling. And thank you for once again showing that Giant Sequoia Tree in your eye socket as well as your faux omniscience. Trust me sir when I tell you I have read, do read, and will continue to read God’s Word which is a true treasure of wisdom.

            Now why don’t you wise up and just admit that an Atheist has NO room to talk about “clearly” seeing anything. Especially the God’s Word and what He has to say.

            And no, I haven’t pushed you away any further. You’re already as far away as you can get. A son of disobedience, child of wrath, and spiritually-dead disobedient, rebellious fool. One doesn’t get any further away than that. And THAT is of YOUR own choosing.

            18 For the wrath of God IS REVEALED from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because that which IS KNOWN about God IS EVIDENT within them; for God MADE IT EVIDENT o them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been CLEARLY SEEN, being understood through what has been made, so that they are WITHOUT EXCUSE 21 For even though they KNEW God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools (Rom. 1:18-22)

            “And you are dead in your trespasses and sins, 2 in which you walk according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience. 3 Among them you live in the lusts of your flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and are by nature children of wrath” (Eph. 2:1-4)

          • Sara van der Merwe

            You’ve been addressing me as a pervert, or “son of Satan” this whole time. God, you’re a hypocrite.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Yes sir I have at times used that word and spoken of your perversion. And, evidently you’ve forgotten, I quoted the definition from the dictionary as well AND you even admitted that was the case. Now who’s really being the hypocrite?

            Son of Satan? Absolutely!! I’ve quoted Eph 2 many times on here already. So again, no hypocrite. Just the pure truth.

            God? LOL You’re a self-admitted Atheist and you invoke God? LOL Oh yeah, I’m the hypocrite alright!! LOLOLOLOLOL

            Thank you sir. Once again you’ve shown your true colors and completely discredited yourself. Which you have done with ever single post you’ve made. Gotta love it!!

          • Sara van der Merwe

            If you’re not gonna call me miss, at least stop calling me sir.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Just trying to be polite and respectful. And no, I’ll never call a man “miss”. No true Christian ever would. Ya might as well get used to it. You’ve decided to live a lie. Don’t expect the rest of us to aid in your delusion.

          • Sara van der Merwe

            Don’t kid yourself. You’re hardly respectful.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            According to you, Sir. Given that you’ve clearly and repeatedly shown your confusion, outright rebellion, denial of physical facts, AND personal attacks toward me, I’ll consider the source as I’m sure others will as well.

          • River

            “Delusion and Denial are powerful forces.”

            Indeed they are, Royce. Look at Christianity.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Oh I have. I’ve looked at it VERY carefully. Too bad you have NOT. Glad to see you admit how powerful your Delusion and Denial are though.

          • River

            Because the whole basis of Christianity is based on logic and reason. Totally not full of delusional b.s.

            That was sarcasm, Royce. You got that right?

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Oh, I have you pegged and I “get” you alright. Not a doubt in my mind.

            But, just in case there are any others who happen to be following your sorry excuse for dialogue, I’ll comment on your statement.

            While there is most certainly ample logic and reason that can be had when it comes to Christianity for anyone with an open mind willing to objectively look at the evidence, no, “the whole basis of Christianity” is NOT based on logic and reason.

            “For by grace you have been saved THROUGH FAITH; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9 not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.” (Eph. 2:8-9)

            “And without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is and that He is a rewarder of those who seek Him.” (Heb, 11:6)

            Thanks again for giving me the opportunity to spread the Light of Truth.

          • River

            So wait….

            Then one can also assume it’s disrespectful of you to ask me to abandon my logic and reason to consider you Christian when I find your beliefs utterly delusional and psychotic…

            Right? Right, Royce?

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            No dimwit. Try slowing down and reading a bit ore carefully. Or maybe just go back to school and study English some more.

      • River

        “Your actions betray your words!”

        Oh jeez, let me pick my jaw up off the floor after I recover from this nonsense, Royce.

        You’re a Christian, obviously. You wear mixed material clothing, yes? Oh, darn. Hate to break it to you, Royce, but that’s a big biblical no-no.

        What about bacon, bud? Or pork? Never masturbated I hope. Or got remarried? Or watched indecent things online? Or gossiped? Yeah, hate to break it to you but those are against your religion too. And I could keep on going.

        Guess your actions don’t match your words either. Hypocrite.

        • Royce E. Van Blaricome

          Why do you, like so many other spiritually-dead Unbeliever, persist is publicly and apparently proudly persist in showing your ignorance? It’s the height of ignorance for you to think you can read God’s Word and understand what He has said to His children when you reject Him, deny His very existence and are a child of Satan.

          Common Sense dictates that one who has no understanding of, oh let’s say Spanish, can pick up a book written in Spanish and understand it. Duh!!

          When the spiritually dead try to read the Book of Life it’s like a blind man trying to read a road map before hopping in the car to drive. You have to get a heart transplant before you can have eyes to see.

          “The unbeliever does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him. And he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.” (1st Cor. 2:14)

          Hate to break it to you, whoever you are, you have NO clue what you’re even talking about. You’ve just swallowed the same old regurgitated vomit spewed by so many other ignoramuses that have NO clue what the Bible actually says.

          But hey, thanks for showing your ignorance once again. It’s always appreciated when you discredit yourself so we don’t have to. Anyone with a willingness to actually study the Word can see your lies for what they are and that only brings them closer to God. Thanks for your work for God and the Kingdom!! Oh, and btw, that is evidence once again that God uses even the ungodly to accomplish His purposes. Just as He said in His Word!! LOL

          “Guess your actions don’t match your words either. Hypocrite.”

          There’s that Sequoia Tree again. Why you have a whole forest sticking outta your eye socket. Appreciate you showing us how blind you really are.

          And btw, IF you had a clue about what a Christian truly is, you’d realize all those things you like to throw as fiery darts are exactly why we ARE Christians.

          “Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. 11 Such WERE some of you; but you WERE washed, but you WERE sanctified, but you WERE justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.” (1st Cor. 6:9-11)

          Thanks for giving me the opportunity to shine the light on your lies, fiery darts, and Darkness.

          • River

            My ignorance? You can’t even formulate an answer without using God as a crutch, so you shouldn’t have the gall the say such things.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Yes, your ignorance. And thanks for showing it again. Anyone with half a brain would know that when substantiating one’s claim they go to the source of the Highest and Greatest Authority.

            My Authority is the Omniscient, Omnipotent, Omnipresent, Immutable Almighty God. Your is, well, your god – YOU.

          • 1775

            Not a crutch, but our rock.

    • Yah Saves

      “As an actual transgirl, I don’t particularly care what the Bible says ”

      Of coarse you don’t. Gee what a news flash: Gay people( lgbtqws whatever people) don’t like God. Wanna see my shocked face?

      • John Bernhardt

        God and the bible are not exactly the same thing, and lot of gay like God.

        • Yah Saves

          The only God gay people like is the one they create…..and yes, genius God and His Word are the same. God became flesh and was the Word.

    • River

      Reading all the Christian banter here is painful. Deluded? Mental illness? Hypocrisy? Perversion? That is so rich coming from you people. The lack of general knowledge and common sense from all of you Jesus fanatics is completely unreal. You all believe in a guy in the sky that no one has ever seen; and believe in a book that was written by a bunch of biased men thousands of years ago that thought the earth was flat. Oh, and that we are all the products of incest; can’t forget that one.

      You’re also probably the same uneducated bunch that thought “under God” was always part of the pledge. And you’ve probably never picked up a real history book which clearly states that religion only came about to more or less keep people in line. Not because it was REAL.

      Since you’re all true Christians, I can also assume you know that Angels were without gender, yes? So then isn’t it safe to assume that gender may not be quite so binary? Sad it took an athiest to remind you people of that fact. Just food for thought.

      More crimes (heinous, perverse, cruel) have been committed by Christians than all the Trans individuals put together a hundred fold. I honestly can’t remember the last time I heard about a transman or woman molesting a child or raping or killing someone. In fact, more often than not it’s a man of God that does so. Imagine that.

      That being said, you’re also the most disrespectful, prejudiced, hypocritical, and discriminating bunch I’ve ever met; but you demand all these things. Yet this GIRL asks for respect and you shoot her down for it?

      So with that logic I can call all of you people Schizophrenic since I don’t believe your religion is real, right? Since, you know, there’s no proof that God or Jesus TRULY existed or anything. I can call you crazy even though you identify as Christian, yes? No? Then show the same d*** respect for others that you so selfishly demand.

      At the very least I know this transwoman is a REAL human being. And a woman. Genuinely a good person because she was born that way and wasn’t guilt tripped into it because of religion. Whatever fake facade it is you people walk around with, I pity you. You’re the saddest bunch of fools I’ve seen in a long time. It’s like we’re still living in the dark ages.

      The truth really does hurt, doesn’t it guys?

      • Royce E. Van Blaricome

        “That is so rich coming from you people.” Thank you for publicly being so open in showing your bigotry and bias. That was a great way to show yourself, your true colors, and your heart from the beginning.

        “The lack of general knowledge and common sense from all of you Jesus fanatics is completely unreal.” That coming from the spiritually-dead would be laughable if it were not so sad.

        “You all believe in a guy in the sky that no one has ever seen; and believe in a book that was written by a bunch of biased men thousands of years ago that thought the earth was flat. Oh, and that we are all the products of incest; can’t forget that one.” Thank you for showing your ignorance of Christians and Christianity and for mostly showing that YOU are the only thing you believe in because you’ve chosen to be your own god. Which proves the 1st & 2nd of the Ten Commandments true.

        “You’re also probably the same uneducated bunch that thought “under God” was always part of the pledge. And you’ve probably never picked up a real history book which clearly states that religion only came about to more or less keep people in line.” Thank you for showing your utter ignorance as others have done. If anyone has NO clue about American History it’s YOU. But given your clearly stated bias and bigotry that’s not surprising. It’s a stark black & white statement that stands as stark evidence of your laziness to do a simple study on what is REAL.

        Next time before opening your mouth to spew your regurgitated gruel you might actually try doing a little study of the historical facts.

        “I can also assume you know that Angels were without gender, yes?” Appreciate you discrediting yourself as all Atheists and, just like yourself, in no time at all. Here’s a little clue for you. Best to not speak on something you know nothing about. Opening your mouth to do so only reveals your ignorance.

        “More crimes (heinous, perverse, cruel) have been committed by Christians than all the Trans individuals put together a hundred fold. I honestly can’t remember the last time I heard about a transman or woman molesting a child or raping or killing someone. In fact, more often than not it’s a man of God that does so. Imagine that.”

        Given that trans people only make up approx. Point 3% of the population that really a seriously moronic argument to put forth. Besides that it’s totally irrelevant to the article.

        “That being said, you’re also the most disrespectful, prejudiced, hypocritical, and discriminating bunch I’ve ever met; but you demand all these things. Yet this GIRL asks for respect and you shoot her down for it?”

        There’s that typical Liberal PC regurgitated vomit that the Leftwing spiritually-dead continue to swallow and spew back up. Unfortunately for you and the rest of your ilk, it’s falling more and more on deaf ears and not having near the affect it once did. Folks are waking up to the truth that is all you’ve got.

        “Since, you know, there’s no proof that God or Jesus TRULY existed or anything.”

        Again, thank you for discrediting yourself and publicly showing your utter ignorance. Nobody with a functioning brain that has the ability to read and reason believes that Jesus never existed. I wish you well with the rest of your ilk who do and may you enjoy your next “Nobody landed on the moon” symposium.

        “Then show the same d*** respect for others that you so selfishly demand.”

        Ahhhh, the sharing of the Sequoia Tree never seems to stop.

        “At the very least I know this transwoman is a REAL human being. And a woman. Genuinely a good person because she was born that way ”

        Psalms 51:5 “Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me.

        Psalms 58:3 “The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.”

        “THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS, NOT EVEN ONE;

        11 THERE IS NONE WHO UNDERSTANDS,

        THERE IS NONE WHO SEEKS FOR GOD;

        12 ALL HAVE TURNED ASIDE, TOGETHER THEY HAVE BECOME USELESS;

        THERE IS NONE WHO DOES GOOD,

        THERE IS NOT EVEN ONE.”

        13 “THEIR THROAT IS AN OPEN GRAVE,

        WITH THEIR TONGUES THEY KEEP DECEIVING,”

        “THE POISON OF ASPS IS UNDER THEIR LIPS”;

        14 “WHOSE MOUTH IS FULL OF CURSING AND BITTERNESS”;

        15 “THEIR FEET ARE SWIFT TO SHED BLOOD,

        16 DESTRUCTION AND MISERY ARE IN THEIR PATHS,

        17 AND THE PATH OF PEACE THEY HAVE NOT KNOWN.”

        18 “THERE IS NO FEAR OF GOD BEFORE THEIR EYES.”

        “You’re the saddest bunch of fools I’ve seen in a long time. ”

        The Sequoia Tree is back.

        “The truth really does hurt, doesn’t it guys?”

        You wouldn’t know the Truth if He was standing in front of you.

        “You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies.”

        • River

          Since when does defense constitute bigotry and bias? Had you kept your mouth shut and not insulted this girl I would’ve said nothing. How very Christian of you to consider defending a friend biased bigotry. That’s the difference between you and i, bud.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Since your so-called “defense” fits the definition of bigotry and you blatantly show your bias with every post you make. Including this one.

            Oh, and btw bud, there’s a whole LOT more of a difference between me and you than you defending some confused guy who’s confused about what he is. The biggest difference is I’m spiritually-alive and Born Again and a child of God. You’re just a spiritually-dead son of Satan.

          • brothergc

            “Had you kept your mouth shut and not insulted this girl ”
            I have problems with this statment . 1st off royce did not insult , He told the truth you need to have a grasp of the english language to understand the difference . And furthermore as you said ” keep your mouth stut ” is just more proof of what the LBGT agenda is all about to slience that truth .
            Royce is telling the truth that this is NOT a “girl” as you put it no matter how much He ( notice I said HE ) wishes it to be different fact is fact , He is NOT she and nothing can change that fact

        • River

          And as far as the Christian ignorance goes, I can tell you cherrypick. Or are just that ignorant. Because everything I said about your religion was true.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            You couldn’t tell cherrypicking from the Bible from picking your nose. You’ll have to get a new heart and a new set of eyes before you can even understand the Bible.

            And anyone with half a brain would know it’s just ignorant for an Atheist to say they have ANY truth about Christianity. Duh!

          • River

            So you’re saying Noah’s three sons didn’t repopulate the earth after the Great Flood? It’s a biblical fact, by your standards. That means we are all the product of incest. This is science.

            It hurts, dear, I know. It’s okay.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            No sir. Never said any such thing,. Have NO idea where you got that from. Have you thought about seeking some professional help? Your delusion has gotten to the point where you’re now seeing things. There is absolutely NO mention of me saying anything about Noah or his sons.

            But, since you did bring it up, yes it is a Biblical fact. And so what?

            So what if we are all the product of incest? Who are YOU oh man to stand in judgment of Almighty God? Oh, let me guess, you’re one of those holy, righteous gods who would have all babies conceived from incest put to death in the womb. Ah yes, we know VERY well your morality and standards. Is it any wonder you can’t tell the difference between a man and a woman? Is it any wonder you celebrate the abomination of those who love their sin and seek to pervert Society by normalizing it?

            You’re probably in the same boat with that other sorry pitiful man who thinks he’s a woman. No doubt the two of you herald, celebrate and applaud the other mentally disturbed like Parrotman and Tigerman and those who are poking their eyes out because they just KNOW they were supposed to be blind. Or are cutting their arms and legs and ears and other off because they KNOW they weren’t supposed to be born that way.

            18 For the wrath of God IS REVEALED from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because that which IS KNOWN about God IS EVIDENT within them; for God MADE IT EVIDENT o them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been CLEARLY SEEN, being understood through what has been made, so that they are WITHOUT EXCUSE 21 For even though they KNEW God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools (Rom. 1:18-22)

            No sir, the ONLY thing that hurts is knowing there are actually folks like you who love your sin so much that you reject the love of God and the sacrifice He has provided thru Jesus Christ for you so that you would no longer have to be a slave to your sin and could be free from it.

      • 1775

        The truth is one cannot demonstrate the love of Christ by giving one hope in their false beliefs. Are we to love the relationship/friendship more than we love the person by not sharing what is the truth of God’s will and design for His creation?

    • UlaireToldea

      What, exactly would you consider fair and respectful treatment? I am interested in what actual trans people think about things like this. I saw in another comment that you grew up in the church and ultimately rejected Christianity. May I ask for some of the reasons you did? This is obviously personal information, so if you do not feel comfortable telling me that is fine. There seems to be a lot of insults and accusations being hurled around, which in my opinion, is not very productive discussion.

      • Sara van der Merwe

        I agree with you about the insults being thrown around. This was never my intention.

        To answer your questions, first, simply not misgendering is constantly is a start. You don’t have to agree, but right pronouns are just nice to use. And to the second question, I just lost interest.

        I grew up dutch reformed and my family at the time was highly restrictive. I was lied to in many occasions about sex, gender, history, science, and even what Christianity was to the world. They taught me to fear nonbelievers and how oppressed we were. Eventually, I went to a more open school when we moved from Johannesburg to Durban. I gave it up not long after. My family is still Christian, but they’re not as strict and after I came out, they actually accepted me.

        I have nothing against Christians for the most part, I just don’t believe in the same book they do. And no, my atheism has nothing to do with me being trans. I’ve been this way since I was five. I’ve only been an atheist since I was 17-ish.

        • UlaireToldea

          It is not my intention either to trash the character of other people that I haven’t even met. Unfortunately, this seems to be a rather common occurrence among comment threads. I try to make it a tendency to treat all other people with respect, however, being the sinner I am, sometimes I fail to do so. I have pity on trans people, and other people who suffer with gender issues, as that must be a terrible thing to deal with. However, I do find it hard to call people something I do not believe they really are, but at the same time I do not want to go around hurting those people. I would prefer to approach them with compassion and love, not name calling. I’m sorry that your parents lied to you about many things growing up. I’m glad that your parents were not very angry and there wasn’t much conflict when you decided to leave. I don’t think there is a correlation between transgender and atheism, although I find it to be much more likely for and atheist to be transgender, because of Biblical morality. Just so you know, I am not saying atheists are immoral or anything. I asked because it seems to me that there are a lot of atheists out there that went to church when they were young, rejected Christianity when they became older, and then became very hostile to any type of religion, especially Christianity. Though I’m glad to hear you’re not anti-Christian like some atheists are.

  • Royce E. Van Blaricome

    Love the pic! Boy howdy does it speak! Important to remember that the WP & other LSM is the only church many know.

    So it is no wonder that many reading Cruz’ garbage won’t even recognize his self-profession as “a bisexual Christian writer” for the oxymoron and complete nonsensical impossibility for what it is.

    Gagnon’s “These men thought themselves possessed by an androgynous deity” seems to me to beg the question, “What if they were possessed?” Obviously they weren’t possessed by some other deity but what about demonic possession? Which to me begs the question, “What if demonic possession is what is behind all the transgender and homosexual confusion that exists today?” Though that hardly seems a question you’ll find anyone even think about raising today. When was the last time you heard any Psychologist or Psychiatrist even remotely suggest that demonic possession may be at hand? Why not? Are we to believe that it no longer exists? Or that Jesus really didn’t know what He was talking about?

    • brothergc

      Royce , wanted to say well done , been reading your postings and am quite impressed . Keep up the good work

      • Royce E. Van Blaricome

        Thank you, Brother. I’m just passing on what God has shown and given me. Just trying to let my light shine and be salt where I can be. May God get the glory and may Satan be put to shame.

        You do the same. The only way to make the Darkness disappear is to continue to shine light upon it.

    • Alex Cobb

      Psychiatry is science. It deals with scientific explanations for things, not woo or superstition.

      • Royce E. Van Blaricome

        A Science built on Proverbs 14:12. And here’s some wisdom for you:

        A wise man once said it is better to keep your mouth shut and not show your ignorance than open it and remove all doubt. You should work on your wisdom a bit.

        “Wise men speak because they have something to say, fools speak because they have to say something” – Plato

  • UlaireToldea

    Nice rebuttal of poor article written by someone who seems to have little understanding of Christian doctrine. Wouldn’t it just be easier for liberals to just ignore the Bible instead of making large and poorly executed to twist and stretch the Bible to be what they want it to be. Just give up, the Bible is against everything liberals want.

  • PK

    Sadly ~ if people don’t read/study The Bible, they won’t recognize heresy when they read/hear it.

  • Bob Blaylock

      Liberals treat the Bible the same way they treat the Constitution—they ignore what it clearly says, and lean on twisted “interpretations” that try to force meanings on it that directly contradict what it clearly says.

    • John Bernhardt

      bible clearly says it took six days to create the universe, including the earth,science does not.

      • Alex Cobb

        According to this shmuck, probably. Accepting science can be dangerous! Didn’t ya hear?

      • Royce E. Van Blaricome

        You’d be wrong. But hey, whattaya expect from someone that don’t know the difference between “except” and “accept”. Christians believe God’s Word. Posers don’t.

        • John Bernhardt

          I don’t actually see any answer to my question in your response. Oh well. Peace to you.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            See the last 2 sentences in my reply. Then trust the Bible or your Science and live in Eternity with the consequences of your choice.

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