Why Are So Many Millennial Christians Confused About Homosexuality?

By Michael Brown Published on December 13, 2018

How is it that the Bible can be so clear on a particular subject — in this case, the subject of homosexual practice — and yet some Christians are not clear on what the Bible says? And why does it seem that millennials in particular are confused about the Bible and homosexuality?

Here are the main reasons, some positive (meaning, the intent might be good, even if the conclusion is wrong) and some negative (meaning, there are no good reasons for the wrong conclusions).

Because They’re Kind Humans Too

First, many millennial Christians have friends or family members who identify as gay or lesbian.

These friends and loved ones are nice people, friendly people, decent people, hardworking people, loyal people. They are not sexual predators and they seem perfectly normal in other respects.

Their relationships seem somewhat like heterosexual relationships, and from what these friends and loved ones say, they were born this way.

How can it be a sin to be gay?

Second, some of these millennials grew up in church environments where gays were demonized.

This only underscores the contrast between what their parents say and what the young people seem to be experiencing. Why, these millennials wonder, should I believe what my parents say when they seemed to be so biased and even bigoted?

Because People Feel Rejected and are Hurting

Third, many millennials have a heart for justice.

They want to fight against tyranny and oppression. They want everyone to have a level playing field. In particular, they want to stand with people who are treated unfairly, who are rejected, who are stigmatized.

Who has been more stigmatized than gays (and others in the LGBT spectrum)?

Fourth, a significant percentage of millennials come from broken homes, so they’re not that excited about marriage in general and certainly do not see heterosexual marriage as particularly wonderful.

Why shouldn’t gays have a shot at it too? Maybe, some millennials think to themselves, they’ll do better than my parents did.

Fifth, many millennials equate the gospel with being nice, and it’s not nice to hurt people’s feelings.

If they say that homosexual practice is sinful, without a doubt, they will hurt their gay friends. How could Jesus want them to do that?

Sixth, many millennials (who now call themselves “nones”) have been burned by traditional religion. They’ve seen so much hypocrisy and so little devotion and sincerity that they question “religious” dogma, including traditional teaching on sexuality.

These would be the “positive” reasons behind coming to wrong conclusions about homosexuality.

Truth and Love Must Go Together

In response, I would note the following to each point:

1) There are nice, hardworking, decent Muslims, atheists, Buddhists, and others. Yet, as followers of Jesus, we still believe they need Jesus. As for people being born gay, there remains no reputable scientific evidence that this is true. And even if it was true, Jesus tells us that we need to be born again. All of us are sinful by nature.

2) It’s a terrible shame that churches sometimes demonized gays in the past. Let’s not make the opposite error of denying what Scripture says about homosexual relationships.

3) It’s great to fight for the underdog, but passion for justice can be shortsighted when it forgets about other, even larger issues, such as God’s intent for marriage or how LGBT activism is the principle threat to our freedoms of conscience, speech, and religion. Let’s not undermine important societal foundations while treating others with love and respect.

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4) The solution to broken homes is not to redefine marriage but to rediscover the sacred nature of marriage, which includes lifelong, loving, sacrificial relationships made before God and kept before God.

5) It’s wonderful to be nice, but not at the expense of telling the truth. It may sound nice, but it is hardly loving.

6) People in churches may fail, but Jesus remains true and His Word remains unchanging.

‘Your Truth,’ ‘My Truth’ and God’s Truth

Here are the main “negative” reasons many millennials come to the wrong conclusions about homosexuality.

The first is scriptural ignorance.

There is an incredible lack of Bible knowledge in the American Church today, in particular among millennials. We can debate whether this is the fault of their parents, the fault of their churches, their own fault, or simply the result of growing up in a digital, soundbite world.

Whatever the cause, there can be little debate that some of the most fundamental truths are hardly known today and that basic questions about the Bible mystify all too many.

Things that were taken for granted in past generations cannot be taken for granted today. We must get back to the Word!

We must therefore recognize moral absolutes and truth absolutes and reality absolutes. And again, we do this by being grounded in divine morality and reality.

The second factor is relativism.

These young people have been raised in an environment where everything is relative — and I don’t just mean morality.

There is relative truth, as in “your truth” and “my truth.”

There is even relative reality, as in, “I identify as part human, part parrot.” Or, “I identify as black even though my skin is white.”

The school systems have bought into this deception and have made it part of their sacred gospel. No wonder those who have been raised in this educational malaise have become so deeply confused. (And on the university level, it’s far, far more aggressive and anti-God.)

‘Grounded in Divine Morality’

We must therefore recognize moral absolutes and truth absolutes and reality absolutes. And again, we do this by being grounded in divine morality and reality. We do this by being grounded in the truth.

So, let the old and the young get together, learn together, and speak with one mind to the LGBT community. That’s the least we can do for these men and women for whom Jesus died.

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  • Dena

    “Sixth, many millennials (who now call themselves “nones”) have been burned by traditional religion. They’ve seen so much hypocrisy and so little devotion and sincerity that they question “religious” dogma, including traditional teaching on sexuality.”

    The millennials I work with are very bold in proclaiming their beliefs. They tell me they hate religion. They see religion as a bunch of antiquated rules that don’t make sense forced upon people. They feel religious people don’t think for themselves and just do what they’re told.

    Upon further investigation I found they had a negative experience with traditional religion growing up.

    To be honest, I didn’t like traditional religion growing up either. My parents dragged me to church. It felt like torture sitting through the Pastors boring sermon. I would sit by my Dad and he would be asleep – snoring.

    The church I went to believed that miracles and healing were only for the apostles to start the church. This really bothered me, because I read about all the miracles Jesus did throughout his ministry. I questioned Christianity. What’s the point of being a Christian if we believe in a God that doesn’t do anything anymore? I decided I would never go to church once I grew up.

    When I was 19 I asked Jesus to make himself real to me. ….. The crazy thing. The very same day. He did. It was the most overwhelming experience I ever had!!!!

    There is a difference between “religion” and knowing Jesus. Today I see Jesus doing many amazing miracles in my life. Jesus loves me. He knows me and I know him.

    • NewcastleB

      Well said Dena. There are good churches out there. I go to one as well and came to know Christ in my 40’s after avoiding church for 20 years. There is a new wave of Christianity replacing the old. It’s out there and still growing.

    • porcupineman1454

      Respectfully, I believe I have seen you complain many times about the young people with whom you work… if the situation is that miserable, why not consider a workplace change?

      • Dena

        I’m not complaining. I think it’s wonderful they’re asking questions. It means they’re searching.

        I just feel inadequate to answer their questions and don’t always have the best answer. Most of the time I have to research it and look it up.

        • Royce E. Van Blaricome

          Searching for what? Certainly not God. According to God’s Word.

          • Yes, they are, though they recognize it not. Only God will fill their hearts and they are reaching out with self-scarred hands to the One whose hands are also scarred.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Your opinion is duly noted and summarily dismissed for, well, being just that. An opinion. God’s Word says differently.

    • Royce E. Van Blaricome

      “They tell me they hate religion. They see religion as a bunch of antiquated rules that don’t make sense forced upon people. They feel religious people don’t think for themselves and just do what they’re told.”

      You don’t even see what that says either, do you? I’d like to give you something to consider. How do you think God feels about people who profess to be one of His Children and followers of Jesus Christ who disrespect, demean, belittle, and even bad-mouth something He instituted and calls Good? What does God’s Word say about those who call Good evil and Evil good? Who do you think came up with all those “antiquated rules”. All that, and their claim that they don’t make sense, does nothing but show their utter arrogance and pride.

      You would do well to consider that when making comments about “Religion”. Jesus is God and God established and instituted religion. And He did so perfectly with infinitesimal, minute, and meticulous detail. Jesus followed that religion perfectly and then perfected it with His own sacraments and teachings. What do you think Jesus was doing all those times He went to the Temple and the night He was betrayed at the “Last Supper”? And indeed His very life and sacrifice fulfilled God’s religious requirements.

      One can have empty religion without a relationship with Christ but you can NOT have a relationship with Christ without His religion. John 14:15 and 15:14 (just to name a couple). For more good teaching on the subject, I’d encourage you to read “Christianity-is-not-a-religion-its-a-relationship” from GTY’s blog series entitled “Christian Clichés”. You may find the others edifying as well.

      “Upon further investigation I found they had a negative experience with traditional religion growing up.”

      And there it is. Wait for it, you’ll see it again soon, folks!

      “:It felt like torture sitting through the Pastors boring sermon.”

      Lady, you have NO clue what torture is. Is that your way of honoring your dad or is the 5th Commandment just another one of those “antiquated rules”? I well imagine that there were regular God-fearing members of that church who didn’t have the same characterization of that pastor’s sermons as you do. Did you ever consider at all that you found them “boring” because the spiritually-dead don’t love God’s Word nor even have the ability to understand it?

      Now, here it is again… wait for it….

      “When I was 19 I asked Jesus to make himself real to me. …..The crazy thing. The very same day. He did. It was the most overwhelming experience I ever had!!!!”

      Putting aside the theological & soteriological problems with the first pat of that because it would take too long & too much space to cover it, I’ll just say that “Experientialism” is one of, if not the, biggest problems infected The Body today.

      “I’m no longer forced to go to church anymore. I found a good church that isn’t dead.”

      So ya found a church that suits YOUR fancy. Most likely it wasn’t the church that was dead. It was you.

      “I think the Millennials I work with want something that is real.”

      That is what’s commonly called “Stinkin’ Thinkin'”, You might wanna checkout John 3:19-20 sometime.

      This Jesus that revealed Himself to you, did He tell you that NOBODY comes to Jesus but the Father first draws them? (Jn, 6:44) Or is that one of those antiquated rules? Did He tell you that you must surrender your life as a slave to Him as Lord & Master and beg Him to accept you so that Self, Sin, & Satan no longer would be? Or did He tell you he was the Burger King Jesus and you could have it your way?

      I pray that both you and they come to know the true Jesus of God’s Word.

      • Kathy

        I am just speculating right now, but when I read Deana’s post, I thought perhaps she attended the church we both know and love (sarcasm) where one must go to confession, attend Holy Days of Obligation and on and on. One rule after the other that have nothing to do with obedience to God, but to the hierarchy who made up the rules.

        You know I agree with you much of the time, but you would be proficient in getting your point across even without the harshness and sarcasm. Most people on here that write like that have nothing to offer, so they resort to that. Not the case for you.

      • I laughed when I read your post. Then I felt like crying. You misinterpreted every single thing she said.

        Your mindset is what constitutes a dead church — bereft of kindness, bereft of discernment, bereft of love.

        You accuse without evidence.

        You pound down rules but say nothing about love.

        She is right. Millennials want something that is real, someone that walks in love, speaks truth, and is unfraid. They don’t need or want rules lawyers.

        • Royce E. Van Blaricome

          Oh for Pete’s sake! Not another one! Another Poser who have confused their sentimental Emotionalism and Experientialism with being a Chist follower. Another idolater who’s created a Jesus in their own image according to their own ways, will, & wisdom. It’s like you’ve got your own Jefferson Bible only you’ve cut out all the parts where Jesus ever judged, raised his voice, got angry, rebuked (disrespected & insulted according to them), mentioned Hell or eternal torment, or in any other way “unloving and offended anyone.

          “You accuse without evidence”

          LOL. It NEVER fails!! Just like the ‘judge not” crowd who turn immediately around and judge the one they tell not to! LOL You did NOT offer one verse to contradict anything I said OR support a single thing you said. ALL you did was personally attack.

          You have NO clue what “Love” is. “Love” doesn’t aid, celebrate, approve of, endorse, support, or in any way participate in the death and eternal torment of another.

          And that can include Silence.

          To “Love” truly is to desire their well-being and to promote their TRUE flourishing as much as you can. Or, in other words, to seek God’s highest best for that person. Homosexuality can NOT do that.

          Do you love your neighbor enough to tell them they will spend Eternity in the torment of the Lake Of Fire if they don’t confess, repent, and surrender as a slave to the Lord Jesus Christ?

          Here’s a question for you: You see a man hitting a child and you see a man hugging a child. Which one is “loving” the child?

          • samton909

            Wrong. Your’re just at the other extreme, the person who disregards Jesus in many ways while lording it over others saying he is the only one following Jesus.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Wrong. Thanks for the public display of what an abomination to God looks like.

            There are six things that the LORD HATES, seven that are an ABOMINATION to him: haughty eyes, a LYING TONGUE, and hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that make haste to run to evil, a FALSE WITNESS who breathes out LIES and one who sows discord among brothers. (Prov. 6:16-19)

            “A false witness will not go unpunished, And he who tells lies will not escape.” (Prov. 19:5)

            “A false witness will not go unpunished, And he who tells lies will perish.” (Prov. 19:9)

            “For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, FALSE WITNESS, SLANDERS.” (Matt. 5:19)

    • Royce E. Van Blaricome

      “They tell me they hate religion. They see religion as a bunch of antiquated rules that don’t make sense forced upon people. They feel religious people don’t think for themselves and just do what they’re told.”

      You don’t even see what that says either, do you? I’d like to give you something to consider. How do you think God feels about people who profess to be one of His Children and followers of Jesus Christ who disrespect, demean, belittle, and even bad-mouth something He instituted and calls Good? What does God’s Word say about those who call Good evil and Evil good? Who do you think came up with all those “antiquated rules”. All that, and their claim that they don’t make sense, does nothing but show their utter arrogance and pride.

      You would do well to consider that when making comments about “Religion”. Jesus is God and God established and instituted religion. And He did so perfectly with infinitesimal, minute, and meticulous detail. Jesus followed that religion perfectly and then perfected it with His own sacraments and teachings. What do you think Jesus was doing all those times He went to the Temple and the night He was betrayed at the “Last Supper”? And indeed His very life and sacrifice fulfilled God’s religious requirements.

      One can have empty religion without a relationship with Christ but you can NOT have a relationship with Christ without His religion. John 14:15 and 15:14 (just to name a couple). For more good teaching on the subject, I’d encourage you to read “Christianity-is-not-a-religion-its-a-relationship” from GTY’s blog series entitled “Christian Clichés”. You may find the others edifying as well.

      • Who do I think came up with all those antiquated rules? People who were trying to turn a relationship into a formula and then control other people by weighing them down with Pharasitical rules. Fundamental Baptist churches are good at this, as are Roman Catholic churches.

        I think you are freaking out over the use of the word “religion” and purposefully not hearing what she is saying. Why, I don’t know.

        • Royce E. Van Blaricome

          That is what is commonly called “Stinkin’ Thinkin'”.

          In the first instead you’re dead wrong. It was God. In the second you’re dead wrong again. I’m not freaking out whatsoever and I heard her just fine,.

      • Dena

        I had an empty Religion without a relationship with Christ. Now that I know Jesus he’s my best friend, I want to know more about him, read his word, go to church and tell others about Jesus in how he changed my life. Religion is dead without God in it.

        • Royce E. Van Blaricome

          I agree with your first paragraph. Let’s talk about your second.

          You say Jesus? Tell us, what did He look like? He told you He love you? What were His exact words? That doesn’t sound like the encounter Saul had on the road to Damascus.

          You say, “The experience made me hungry for God and more eager to seek after him.” So you admit that your whole salvation is built upon an experience. You say, “I was seeking after God” and yet God says that NO ONE seeks after Him. (Psa. 14:1-3, Rom. 3:11) Jesus Himself says that NO ONE comes to Him but that the Father first draws them (Jn. 6:44). Jesus said those who have heard and learned come to Him. What is the lesson you heard & learned?

          And now you say after your experience you are all the more eager to seek Him. For what purpose? What are you striving to achieve in seeking Him?

          • Dena

            I remember what he said and could describe his appearance in extensive detail… but that won’t be enough for you. Let’s cut to the chase. What maters is knowing Jesus. Is he your best friend? Does he answer your prayers? Is he the Lord of your life and everything?

            If he isn’t the Lord of your life any religious traditions is meaningless. Religion doesn’t save you. You can go to hell while being a member of the biggest church or even a minister. Your goodness and religiosity doesn’t save you. If you haven’t repented of your sins, asked Jesus to forgive you and make him the Lord of your life — all of these good works are a waste of time.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Ok, how about you drop the faux-omniscience, climb down off your self-built throne, leave your self-imposed god-complex, just answer my question, & then let me decide whether it’s enough for me or not? What did He say and what was His appearance – in extensive detail.

            “What maters(sic) more than anything is knowing Jesus.”

            NO! What matters MORE than anything else is does Jesus know you!

            “Is he your best friend?”

            Gotta Book, Chapter, & Verse for that one?

            “Does he answer your prayers?”

            So it’s about you? Gotta Book, Chapter, & Verse for that one?

            “Is he the Lord of your life and everything?”

            How does that fit with what is listed previously? What does it mean for Jesus to be Lord of your life? And “everything”?

            “Religion doesn’t save you”

            I agree. So what does? You making Him Lord of your life?

          • Dena

            So what do you believe? Are you a follower of Jesus?

            I believe Jesus is the only way to heaven. Anyone who doesn’t repent and make Jesus the Lord of their life is going to hell. Do you believe the same thing or something else?

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Still refusing to answer the question. Hmmm, that’s telling. I will answer your questions shortly. First, however, let me inform you that even Satan and his demons know that Jesus is the only way to Heaven.

            I’m curious, how does one make Jesus Lord? That seems to be a contradiction in terms. Now to your questions.

            I believe that Jesus Christ is God incarnate. I believe that Jesus is the 2nd Person of the Trinity who was born of the Virgin Mary. Wholly God and wholly Man. I believe that Jesus lives a sinless life thereby proving that He is the Lamb of God. Perfect and without blemish. I believe that Jesus died a sinless death as the Perfect Lamb of God to atone for my sins in my place as a substitutionary penal atonement. I believe that Jesus was literally buried and literally raised from the dead on the 3rd day and now sits at the Right-hand of the Father as the hope for eternal life with God. I believe that God the Father has promised to save all those who surrender their life as a slave to the Lord Jesus Christ and beg Him to save them and be their new Master so that Self, Sin, & Satan will no longer be their master. And I believe that God will keep His promise to all those who do so and place their utter faith/trust in Him to do so because He alone is God and is who He says He is. I believe that I am saved by Grace alone through Faith alone in Jesus alone based on Scripture alone and FOR the glory of God alone. I believe I was created by God for God and that the whole Salvation Story is about God and not about me.

            There is much more I could say about the above but that’s it in a nutshell. I can provide the Scriptural support for each and every one of those beliefs and will do so if necessary. So no, I don’t believe what you do. I believe God is God and I don’t make Him do anything. Jesus IS Lord whether one chooses to accept that or not and NOBODY makes Jesus “Lord”.

            That is what I believe and I haven’t even seen Him yet. But I will some day and I eagerly look forward to it. Which reminds me of another Word that God gave.

            “Now faith is the assurance of things hoped for, the conviction of things not seen.” (Heb 11:1)

            Couple that with “For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God,” (Eph 2:8) and it sort of begs the question, “Where is your faith?” I mean, thus far according to everything you’ve said, your faith is in what you’ve seen. How do you know you didn’t see an “angel of light”?

          • Dena

            I haven’t told you because you attack everything I say. I saw you attacking other commenters. I wasn’t sure if you were a Christian that’s why I asked what you believed. Everything you wrote about Jesus I believe as well.

            I asked Jesus to be my Lord and Savior when I was a little kid. My relationship with Jesus keeps growing as I read the Bible, go to church and pray.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            First off, that’s just a lie. One only has to look in this very thread to see that. Not only did I agree with you above but I also did on another thread of yours on here. So stop the meltdown, snowflake, I try to have a discussion. I’ve asked you questions & for you to support your claims with Scripture. That is NOT “attacking” you. I’d love to hear your reaction when the Holy Spirit brings you conviction. Or has that ever happened? If I weren’t concerned about your eternity I wouldn’t be wasting my time trying to engage you. Do you have ANY clue whatsoever what Jesus says in Matt. 7? Have you ANY idea how wide the Road To Destruction is and how narrow the Narrow Path is? Has it ever once donned on you that MOST people who profess to be Christian just aren’t?

            So now you come back and tell me that you believe everything I say AFTER accusing me of attacking you and others. (That’s called a false accusation & bearing false witness. See Pro. 6:16-19 for more on that.) That you believe the same about all those truths I stated above is a good thing and it’s nice to see you take no except to them but then after saying you believe everything I said about what I believe, and that you believe it all too, you say you asked Jesus to be your Lord & Savior when you were a little kid. Is this when Jesus showed Himself to you?

            If not, why would you think Jesus would be your Lord & Savior if you didn’t even know He was real? How would that fit with Eph. 2:8-9? If not, how long did you profess to be a Christian while not even knowing if Jesus is real? How does that fit with Heb. 11:6?

            Those questions are not “attacks”. They are questions asking for clarification because your initial comments seemed to indicate that you believe you were saved later in life because of an experience you had. But now you indicate you were saved as a child because you asked Jesus to be your Lord & Savior. So there is some ambiguity & lack of clarity between the two. Coupled with that is another aspect and that is what happened with YOU?

            God says that when a person is saved they are Born Again and pass from Death to Life. If a person dies and 3 days later during the funeral service they come back to life and sit straight up in the coffin, does anyone at the funeral have to tell them they’ve come back to life? Do they have to tell anyone there? When one is Born Again and passes from Death to Life they know it and so does everyone else around them.

            The testimony you initially gave above seems to fit with a Born Again experience but is lack the surrender and faith aspects. The testimony you give here now seems to with the knowledge part but lacks the faith & experience aspects. Thus my questions. That are NOT attacks.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            I need to come back and add one thing to the above as the Holy Spirit spoke to me after I wrote that while I was outside making my rounds. And that is…

            I believe I have been Born Again and regenerated by the power of the Holy Spirit. Having once been spiritually-dead and totally-depraved I have been quickened and passed from Death to Life by The One who now indwells me and works on a moment by moment basis to conform me into the image and likeness of Christ.

    • m-nj

      Some of them “hate” religion because they are spiritually dead. Period. They aren’t God’s people, so why would we expect them to love being with God’s people.

      To those that are saved…

      Some of them “hate” religion because they are rebellious and don’t want to come under authority. God knows how to bring them to heel, for His glory and their good. Or they just need to mature.

      I’m not a mushy-mushy person, but we just have to love them, and try to guide them to the truth.

      • Royce E. Van Blaricome

        I’d agree with the former but how is one saved and rebellious and not wanting to come under authority? Coming under authority and surrendering to Christ is an absolute necessity to be saved.

    • samton909

      Kids have been taught to judge EVERYTHING for themselves and this sounds like a good idea, except kids are not grown up and are quite stupid and things that seem like nonsense to them make perfect sense to grown ups with some experience.

      At the same time they were encouraged to decide EVERYTHING for themselves, they were also very clearly taught NEVER to question certain liberal ideas, such as homosexuality.

      They are the most lost, confused, screwed up, arrogant generation ever. But it is not their fault. They weer very seriously screwed up by our educational system that taught them to despise certain things and never question other things.

  • TimR

    Nothing has changed except hearts have become hard to the gospel. Its the same old same old. People in the name of kindness and love do not speak or live the truth. Why? Same reasons as ever. Afraid to stand against the world. Speak truth, in love , because we fear men more than God. There has always been hypocrites in church. Saying you left the church or God because of this is just an excuse. There are poor churches and fallen people in everyone. Your watching people and not following Jesus Christ.

  • Vincent J.

    I believe that some people do have a slightly different brain architecture which makes them attracted to their own sex; everyone’s brain is slightly different in other ways. Some people are inclined to abuse alcohol or drugs. Some are inclined toward hetero adultery. Some are inclined toward gluttony.

    I’m an alcoholic. (I used to take antabuse and attend AA meetings.) I’m an alcoholic, but that doesn’t mean I must drink; I haven’t had a drink since 1976. Just because some people are attracted to their own sex doesn’t mean they must engage in same-sex coupling.

    On judgment day, we’ll be judged for what we do. Being tempted to couple with another of the same sex is not sin. It’s following through on that temptation which will send one to hell.

    • Chubbs

      Good for you for busting your alcoholism. That’s great. Rock on!

      • Vincent J.

        Thank you, but give the credit and glory to God.

  • Wesley

    the Bible is equally as clear if not more on divorce with Christ specifically addressing the subject itself. remember there is no mention of Christ addressing homosexuality. all that they are doing is taking what their parent’s generation attitude towards divorce to all human sexuality. if our churches would tackle the issue of divorce and remarriage head on in our churches i believe the whole issue of the attitude towards homosexuality will clear up on its own.

    • Deanna Titsworth

      All of this really comes back to the breakdown of the family unit consisting of a mom, dad and children. Everyone fared better when the family, as God defined it stays intact.

    • samton909

      When a divorce happens, it kills the children’s souls. They become hopeless and somewhat bitter, realizing that there is little hope for them to have a solid, enduring marriage. as well, and that life is a rotten business full of heartache. So they fall for any argument about being nice to people in tough circumstances like homosexuals and they also desire to be rebels, and fight against reality.

      You are quite perceptive that a lot of this goes back to the broken homes that are now the norm.

  • Kaz

    Their parents said “No” very seldom. That ruins a kid for life.

    • They also didn’t persuade them that the biblical view of reality is the only one that makes sense of reality as we find it. It’s all on the parents.

  • J B

    Could I be so bold as to add, “Because popular culture has been normalizing homosexuality for their entire lives?”

    • Deanna Titsworth

      Not just homosexuality, sexual sin in all of its forms.

      • Ted Larson

        It started in the schools, then moved to the movies, then television sitcoms, and finally the news media started editorializing everything including what is and what is not sin. And the sheep drank from the kool aide bucket believing every lie that they had been told.

      • Yup. Homosexuality was just the most recent domino to fall.

    • m-nj

      Spot on! Almost every TV show MUST have a homosexual character or relationship, even if there are no blatant heterosexual relationships being played out. And the percentage of LGBTxyz characters is so out of proportion with even real life percentages in the general population. It is indeed maddening, and could be confusing to young people reared on this stuff without solid Biblical foundations!

  • caskinner

    There is no negotiating the word of God. It’s very clear in the Bible what God says about homosexuality. Excellent article.

  • Deanna Titsworth

    Excellent article. I like that you addressed all of the arguments that come up on this issue today. God is the one who defines right and wrong. If one is really a Christian then the Bible should be the go to source for truth on any issue.

    • Vincent J.

      I agree.

  • Royce E. Van Blaricome

    Ironically, there’s another reason tha is perhaps the primary reason & it just so happens I recently read about it. I’m not sure if links are allow here but it should be easy to find if you Google “Douglas Wilson+BLOG & MABLOG+”The Sin Of Flattening Sins”. Michael’s use “decent” in his first point may want to be reconsidered.

    I don’t buy the ” tyranny and oppression” supposition either. Have you seen what’s been happening on college campuses? Ever heard of Antifa? BLM? And others.

    Michael did hit on something with his point about Millennials equating the Gospel with being nice & Jesus never hurting one’s feelings. There is NO shortage of self-professed Christians with a Jesus of their own creation made in their own image according to their own ways, will, & wisdom. And they cling to that idol tightly. Paradoxically, and quite mystifying, they often become quite nasty & vicious when you don’t accept their idol & worship it as they do. It’s for that reason that I don’t buy into Michael’s 6th reason. Even if it were true, and I seriously believe it’s much more likely just a fiery dart from Satan, it is NO excuse for rejecting God’s Word.

    It’s one thing to say that God’s Truth remains which Michael did. it’s another to say they are without excuse for rejecting it.

    The Biblical ignorance & Relativity are sound, strong points. However, there is a 3rd point coupled with those. There is a deliberate, intentional, willful effort underway by self-professing Christians who are actually Apostates, Posers, & Wollves who are rewriting Scripture and twisting it like a pretzel. And NOT near enough true Christians speaking out against them.

  • Don Ciccio

    Scriptural ignorance yes and also confusion on what true love is. God is love and created all of us to (Baltimore Catechism) know, love and serve him in this world and to be with him for eternity in the next (heaven). so with that definition in the forefront of our minds. true love means to guide a person with love towards God which means to obey the Ten Commandments, in this case the Sixth Commandment. it does not mean doing anything to lead them away from God as in accepting their immoral choice to live the homosexual lifestyle and tell them God loves them as they are, so just keep right on doing what you are doing since God will forgive you in the end and you will be in heaven. nothing could be further from the truth. hell is very real.

  • kinderman

    Something that jumps out: “As for people being born gay, there remains no reputable scientific evidence that this is true.”

    My question is why are you appealing to science? There’s no reputable scientific evidence for God, Jesus’s divinity, heaven, hell, etc. because those things are based on faith, not science. You can’t just base your entire life and work on things for which there is no scientific evidence and then appeal to science. That’s just one example of the horrendous and ongoing evangelical hypocrisy that millennials are wisely fleeing from and that you ironically mention. And for the record, it’s well-recorded that gays and straights have biological differences and even appearances (facial structure, for instance) and there are many well-supported theories of the origin of homosexual orientation (the epigenetic theory, the birth order theory, the “gay uncle” theory, etc.).

    Another sentence that jumps out is “Their relationships seem somewhat like heterosexual relationships.” “Seem somewhat” says everything about you, Brown. God forbid a gay be similar to you, right? The only probable truth you say (if it isn’t sarcasm) is “Who has been more stigmatized than gays (and others in the LGBT spectrum)?” and then you proceed to stigmatize some more by making them into the “other” and linking them to divorce and broken homes. You can’t be so stupid that you don’t realize you do nothing but contradict yourself.

    • Stuart

      Kinderman, why do you think there is no reputable scientific evidence for God?

      • kinderman

        There is none.

        • Stuart

          Have you ever actually studied this? Point in fact, there is actually quite a bit of scientific evidence that shows God’s existence is more probable than not. The very fact that the universe exists requires some sort of explanation. There is a vast amount of scientific evidence shows that the universe is highly fine-tuned to an incomprehensible degree. Both of these lines of scientific evidence point to something outside the physical world as a cause. A personal, powerful, intelligent, timeless, spaceless, immaterial “cause” sounds a lot like the traditional description of God to me.

          • kinderman

            I’ve heard all that before. It isn’t so much evidence for God as it is evidence for a “cause” which people who are eager for the existence of God label “God.” It doesn’t have to be God.

          • Stuart

            So what “label” would you ascribe to a timeless, immaterial, personal, powerful, highly intelligent being who caused the universe to come into existence from nothing?

          • kinderman

            I would not label this theoretical being/force as the Christian God or the god of any other tradition for certain, given the holes in every religion we’ve created. I also would not call this theoretical being “personal” given how indifferent the universe is to our existence.

          • Stuart

            No argument. This line of reasoning doesn’t get you the Christian God. It doesn’t argue for any specific religion either. Regarding the personal nature of this being, logically it must be personal. Impersonal forces have no causal power. This is just a basic argument for theism (e.g.: a ‘God’ of some type).

          • kinderman

            I’ll concede that believing in a God is perhaps not inconsistent with believing in science (and that’s a big perhaps). But believing in Christianity, as Brown does, is hardly scientific, as there isn’t evidence for the truth of Christian theology or any other religion’s theology. So, returning to my original point, Brown cannot be consistent if he appeals to both Christian theology and science.

          • Stuart

            I appreciate your honesty. And I would agree that showing Christianity is true (or false) isn’t something on arrives at via the scientific method. Rather, this is a function of theology, history, textual criticism, etc.

            But you’ve still lost me a bit. Regarding your original comment about disputing Brown’s statement (no scientific evidence for people being “born gay”) he’s not citing both theology and science, he’s citing science alone. He’s also making a claim about the accurate teaching of the Bible. It sounds like you’re saying that someone cannot be a Christian and hold to Christian beliefs and simultaneously appeal to science on a related topic. Am I misunderstanding you?

          • kinderman

            I think, often times, there is a conflict between what is true and what a Christian believes must be true. Because of this, a Christian’s understanding of science will often be shaped to fit his theology, even when it doesn’t. Christians might, for example, take up Young Earth Creationism to harmonize the existence of dinosaur fossils with their belief in a literal reading of the Genesis creation account. In the case of Brown, he says there is no evidence that “born this way” is true (or, more accurately, that biological origins of homosexuality exist). But on the contrary, there is evidence that homosexuality has roots in biology. So, I think in cases where theology conflicts with science (not to suggest they always conflict), I don’t think a Christian can appeal to science and his theology simultaneously because his idea of science will just be modified to fit his theology.

          • Stuart

            I’ll grant that there may be a conflict between what is true and what a Christian, or any other person for that matter, believes must be true. And I will also grant that some Christians’ beliefs may be shaped by their theology. But to some extent, all of us do this–at least our beliefs are shaped by our worldview. (For the record, I am not a “young earther”). And I agree that when looking at possible conflicts between the interpretation of the data from science and the interpretation of theology one has to be careful. (hey, look! A Christian theist and a guy who is [I assume] not a Christian theist actually agree on some things!)

            Two questions:

            You said you think there are cases where theology conflicts with science. Can you give some examples?

            What evidence would you provide to support the claim that homosexuality does, in fact, have roots in biology?

          • kinderman

            The examples of theology/science conflicts were already given: young earth theology and pseudoscience vs. geology, paleontology, etc. is one example. And I did not mean to imply you were a young earther yourself, by the way. And the other example is the view of homosexuality as not innate vs. sexologists, doctors, psychologists, etc. whose observations suggest otherwise.

            The evidence for homosexuality being biological in origin was given as well: physiological differences between gay people and straight people, the fact that gay men have rounder faces on average than straight men (as though they were feminized in early development), the fraternal birth order effect (explains homosexuality as a result of changes in the uterine environment), the epigentics theory (says though there is no one “gay gene,” genes that might code for homosexuality can be turned off or on), the gay uncle theory (explains the evolutionary advantage of homosexuality and why it would be something we would pass down genetically), and so on. And there’s also the simple fact that sexual attraction itself is not a choice, but a biological process. A person cannot force himself to be attracted to this person over that person, obviously. And it’s well-observed that one’s pattern of sexual attractions cannot be willfully changed, if changed at all. I’m not saying science gives us all the answers to homosexuality’s origins. I’m just saying what science gives us is better and more trustworthy than what religion offers. The idea that homosexuality is “a choice” is nonsensical. The notion that it is a result of immorality and/or abuse is unsupported. And the notion of “They can change” is backed by nothing but anecdotal evidence from people unhappy with their homosexuality and often in “ex-gay” programs – people who are prone to lying to themselves out of desperation or peer pressure, in other words.

          • Stuart

            With all due respect, you’re making some straw-man arguments, or at least importing into this discussion the opinions of others. No where in the article above, nor in any comment I’ve made do I see where anyone is arguing that about young earth theology, geology, paleontology, or that homosexuality is “a choice”. But let’s say for the sake of argument that you’re correct and there is biological origins for homosexuality. Where does that leave us? It still comes down to a worldview difference on whether or not homosexual conduct is right and good for humans.

            Either there is a creator who is active in his creation and has left something for humanity that provides insight into how he has designed and purposed humanity and human sexuality to be lived, or there is not.

            And if there is no God and no ultimate grounding of morality, then please explain why I (or anyone else) “ought” to treat homosexuals (or anyone else) in any particular way.

          • kinderman

            I wasn’t saying you or Brown are young earthers or believe in “it’s a choice.” I thought you asked for examples in general of when a person’s theology might conflict with reality, and I gave examples. Young earthers and believers in “it’s a choice” exist, don’t they? Returning to the topic at hand, I think Brown is wrong not because I assume he is a young earther or believes in “it’s a choice.” I just think he’s wrong to say there’s no evidence for the biological origins of homosexuality.

            I think the question of whether or not homosexual conduct is right and good for humans, regardless of whether or not it is biological, has a clear answer. And that answer is “It depends.” I believe situation must be considered. I don’t think all homosexuality can be fairly or rightly dismissed as negative.

            You say, “Either there is a creator who is active in his creation and has left something for humanity that provides insight into how he has designed and purposed humanity and human sexuality to be lived, or there is not.” But, I would differ with that. Who is to say a creator would be active in his creation? Who is to say homosexuality is not part of that creator’s plan for humanity? If you believe in the Bible and/or church teaching, you obviously would say it isn’t. But who is to say it’s necessarily true that it isn’t?

            If God doesn’t exist, I wouldn’t say that means there’s no “grounding of morality.” Morality can be based on empathy. I would say you should treat people kindly and with fairness and understanding because otherwise, there is no peace. And if there is no peace, that just creates bedlam and misery. And why would we want our lives on this planet to be miserable and chaotic?

          • Stuart

            So there’s a lot to potentially respond here, and I appreciate the dialog. It’s nice to see two people who have obvious disagreements not resorting to name calling or personal attacks.

            Re: asking for examples. Fair enough, you did give some. I stand corrected 🙂

            Seventeen century philosopher and mathematician Blaise Pascal is often quoted as saying, “People almost invariably arrive at their beliefs not on the basis of proof but on the basis of what they find attractive.” You said that you think Brown is “wrong to say there is no evidence for the biological origins of homosexuality.” While admittedly he has made a claim without providing evidence in *this* particular opinion piece, if you do a bit of Google searching, you’ll find that Dr. Brown has researched and written extensively on the subject of homosexuality. I think it’s safe to assume he’s not some fly-by-night blogger who makes assertions without any sort of evidence. He is actually a careful scholar who has researched and written about this issue extensively. I understand you disagree with him, and you did cite several reasons (in a prior post). So what are we to make of this? Is this a “battle of experts”? Your expert sources vs. Brown’s expert sources?

            You said, “Who is to say…” about my statement about God being active in his creation; and “who is to say” that homosexuality isn’t part of the creator’s plan. These are perfectly reasonable questions. To answer these, we have to look at the full scope of the evidence. What is the evidence for God? What is the evidence that the Bible is actually a message from God for humanity? What is the evidence that the claims of Christianity are true? And most importantly, are we looking at this evidence with an open mind? Or are we, as Pascal said, simply arcing towards what we find attractive to our preconceived notions?

            I’ll stand by what i said before. At the end of the day, the answers to all of these questions find their roots in our respective world views. This is the foundation of most everything that any of us believe. I’ve studied what I believe and why I believe it for many years. I have come to the conclusion that Christianity is true because it accurately describes the way the world really is.

  • Trilemma

    Dr. Brown believes some people are confused about homosexuality.

    Some people believe Dr. Brown is confused about homosexuality.

    The problem is that the Bible neither condemns nor condones homosexual relationships or same sex marriage.

    • lorac odraned

      wrong, read the book of Leviticus for starters

      • Trilemma

        The two verses in Leviticus that talk about a man having sex with
        another man do not depict a homosexual relationship like we see today
        nor do the verses depict a same sex marriage. There is no mention
        of a woman being intimate with another woman in Leviticus.

        • Tim H

          Not sure if you are trying to disingenuous or if you really do not know what the gay agenda is about. Gay “marriage” is just another way to get homosexuality to be socially accepted which has the further goal to destroy marriage and the family itself. Read the leaders of the gay movement. It has nothing to do with loving relationships. Read Dan Savage if you can take him, or any other thought leader in the gay movement. It is all about the destruction of bourgeois middle class, classical values. Look at the record of gay married couples. It’s a mess. I know these sociological reasons are off the topic of biblical reasons against homosexual activity. But that’s the point. The Bible isn’t a book of sociology. It’s a book on what to do if you want eternal happiness. And men laying with men – and stop being obtuse, it means women laying with women -will lead to bad things not eternal joy.

          • Trilemma

            I have no doubt there people who want to use the issue of gay marriage to advance their personal agenda. But I don’t believe all people who are homosexual are about the destruction of bourgeois middle class, classical values. How does legalizing same sex marriage destroy opposite sex marriages and families?

    • Stuart

      How did you come to the conclusion that the Bible neither condemns nor condones homosexual relationships or same sex marriage?

      • Trilemma

        The few verses in the Bible that talk about a man having sex with another man do not depict a homosexual relationship like we see today nor do the verses depict a same sex marriage. There is no clear mention of a woman being intimate with another woman in the Bible.

        • Stuart

          So what do you make of passages like Romans 1:18-28, 1 Corinthians 6:9-11, and 1 Timothy 1:9-10?

          • Trilemma

            Romans is talking about indiscriminate sex with strangers and/or prostitution and/or orgies. 1Corinthians and 1Timothy are talking about child prostitutes and the men who bed them or pedestry in general.

          • Stuart

            How do you come to the conclusion that the 1 Cor and 1 Tim passages are talking about child prostitutes and pedestry?

          • Trilemma

            1Corinthians 6:9 uses the word “malakoi” which means catamite or boy
            prostitute. That word is followed by the word “arsenokoitai” which
            means male bed and refers to men who have sex with males. Since “arsenokoitai” comes right after “malakoi” it seems logical that the male the man is having sex with is the boy prostitute. The same words appear in 1Tim.

          • Stuart

            So I have a really great response, but it’s “Hold on…waiting to be approved by The Stream.”

          • Stuart

            Apparently the admin’s and/or the Disqus algorithm doesn’t like my post. Let me try again:

            What I think you’re missing in the 1 Cor 6 passage is Paul’s use of the disjunctive ‘nor’ (Greek: ‘oute’). A word-for-word of the second part of verses 9-10 is, “Do not be deceived! The sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor passive homosexual partners nor practicing homosexuals nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor the verbally abusive nor swindlers will not inherit the kingdom of God.” Since it’s bad English grammar to have so many ‘nors’ English translators insert commas. But if you look at the original Greek, you find “oute” between each of these. So the word “malakoi” is followed by “arsenokoitai” but it’s separated by the disjunctive “oute”/nor. These words are separate, and one is not a modifier (adj.) of the other. These are two distinct words in the original Greek, thus the passage is not speaking of men having sex with a boy prostitute as a sexual sin. Rather it is saying that “malokoi” is one type of sexual sin, and “arsenokoitai” is a separate type of sexual sin.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Stuart, I hope you’re not buying Trilemma’s tripe. Those are the standard regurgitated lies from the LGBTQABC-XYZ+50 crowd who wish to stay in the dark & cling to their sin (Jn. 3:19-20) while getting their fire insurance up to date with a Jesus created in their own image according to their own ways, wisdom, & will.

            Thankfully, these suppositions have been thoroughly refuted by many. It’s not even a good argument. There has been a plethora of information put out that refutes his lies by many. Robert Gagnon papers & videos are probably a good place to start.

            Thankfully again, Trilemma & his crowd’s lies have forced the Church to deal with an issue that many would still prefer to avoid. Still, even with that, there is much avoidance and as a result misinformation. For instance, perhaps you’ve heard this one: “SSA is not a sin. It’s only a sin if you act on it.” That’s a lie and one that culminated in the recent “Gay Christian” and Revoice Conference. It is “leaven”. Pure and simple.

            The “Gay Christian” & Revoice movements are the newest assault on the spiritually-dead, and even The Body of Christ, in an attempt to infect The Body with more subtle lies and in essence conform The Body to Culture. The problem lies not with the spiritually-dead, like Trilemma, doing what the spiritually-dead to. it’s all they can do. (Eph. 2:1-3). The problem lies with immature Believers being infected because the more mature Believers buy into the “can’t we all get along” and the Biblically ignorant Believers don’t see the attacks from the Apostates, Wolves, Posers (wolves in sheep clothing), and other agents of Satan who do his bidding.

            Some of this is simply a lazy attitude on the part of Believers and churches. Such as taking some contemporary cliche and running with it before filtering it thru Scripture. Take the above reference to SSA for example. How many times have you heard, “it’s not a sin to be tempted. It’s a sin to act on the temptation”? Heck, I bought into that one for years! Douglas Wilson has written some terrific stuff that Biblically substantiates how that is a lie. Sam Storms & Wesley Hill have also written well on it. And THAT is information/knowledge that Satan and his minions like Trilemma do NOT want in the hands of Believers because it destroys his whole entire argument about “malakoi” and his other lies. When SSA is a sin, and it is, then ALL form of sexual immorality are a sin.

            I’ll leave off there and end with this bottom line. We live in a wonderful age of insurmountable knowledge at our fingertips. The Enemy, and his minions like Trilemma, are making full use of it as they can. God has made His truths available there as well. It is up to Believers to ensure the rest of The Body is built up with it.

    • Royce E. Van Blaricome

      No, the problem is that you reject the fact that the Bible condemns homosexuality in all its forms including SSM.

  • John writes: “Which ones were created in God’s image, the males or the females?

    “If our answer is both (which it must be), then God is decidedly non-binary, God transcends a single gender identity—God is by nature trans-gender. We cannot have God be a He and also make women in His image—and we can’t have a God capable of creating men and women, unless God is equally made of both. These Christians wouldn’t dream of excoriating God for the fluidity, would they?”

    First, God, as transcendent, has no gender. You’re contention that God is both genders wholly contradicts Biblical Revelation. In one place God argues that He is not a man and, in another, that He is Spirit. Nowhere does God claim to be a male or a female. Actually, as I see it, such descriptions of God are made by idol worshippers, cults (e.g. Mormons) and/or spiritualists.

    Two living beings are involved in the Creation of Man/humankind, that is male *and* female; both male and female are constitute Man, that is, humankind. Humans are made in two distinct fashions, yet both make up what amounts to God’s image, that is, both sexes reflect God. It is wholly erroneous to suggest that, with respect to the two sexes, both were made in both sexes, that is to say, man was created male and female, and the female was created male and female. That not only defies Biblical account of Creation but common sense.

    However, it is not necessarily one’s sex in and of itself that reflects God, for all the animals are created male and female but they are not created in God’s image. The fact that Man has been given life by the breath of God and, thereby, apart from all other living things created, possess souls and all that constitutes a soul (e.g. will, intellect, emotions).

    Nevertheless, a man and women’s sexuality can reflect God’s image in their ability, given to them by God as a gift, to unite and create other living creatures in their own image; that is, babies.

    I think it can be said that man’s soul is the primary reflection of God and, secondarily, man’s material being reflects God, perhaps, not so much in his being as in his acts. In any case, Man as created, male and female both together in their binary state, reflect God’s image.

    Let me just say, since I’m not a scholar and there are those who can better express what I’m saying; but it seems clear, at least, to me, that the Bible nowhere legitimizes, encourages, or commends homosexuality, either implicitly or explicitly; but, the Bible does, both implicitly and explicitly, condemn the practice along with other sexual sins. As such, no one can legitimately claim being a Christian while at the same time engage in the homosexual lifestyle much in the same way one cannot legitimately claim being a Christian while at the same time engage in an adulterous lifestyle, and regardless of their professions of love for each other.

    Reminds me of the song with the lyrics, “Me and Mrs. Jones we got a thing going on; we both know that its wrong…”

    At least, the song portrayed some honesty in it’s description of the relationship.

    Nevertheless, if John Pavlovitz truly feels strongly that his case is foolproof and really believes Dr. Michael L Brown’s article is “nonsense,” I would encourage him to take up Dr. Brown’s challenge to debate the issue. Such a debate can help the Church come to a better understanding concerning the Bible’s claims on this most sensitive subject and give us the opportunity to correct our position where we find it is warranted.

    • Royce E. Van Blaricome

      You are both wrong. You say, “First, God, as transcendent, has no gender… Nowhere does God claim to be a male or a female.”

      False. One only need to look to the MAN who IS God to see and know otherwise. There’s a lot of truth mixed with some error in the rest of your comment but I’ll leave it there.

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