Man of Sorrows, Carry Our Griefs

Reading Isaiah 53 on Good Friday

By Anika Smith Published on April 14, 2017

There are years when Easter seems impossible. When death and darkness feel like they’re going to win. When we weep with the women at the cross. When we long for the ground that shakes with His death to open up and swallow us whole.

What are we to do when Good Friday hits and the weight of heartbreak is as raw as an open wound ripped from the back of God Himself?

We are often told to meditate on the burden of guilt and sin that was laid on Jesus when He became the sacrificial Lamb. This is totally right and appropriate for Good Friday. Our guilt is easy enough to find, and see:

Ye who think of sin but lightly
Nor suppose the evil great
Here may view its nature rightly
Here its guilt may estimate

But if your heart quails today, look to the grief and sorrow Jesus took on, as surely as He bore our guilt and shame.

Surely he has borne our griefs and carried our sorrows

Isaiah tells us that Jesus was “a man of sorrows and acquainted with grief.” The God whose everlasting joy created the cosmos emptied Himself and became like us, limited and small. He bound Himself to our fate and, like you, became vulnerable to sickness, suffering and death.

And never once did He despise you your weakness. Jesus was no stoic: He cried without shame and mourned at the deaths of His friends. See Him weeping at the tomb of Lazarus — Jesus, who knows that He’s going to bring him back to life that very day! Look at Jesus, who washed the feet, shared the bread, and finally let Himself be kissed as a friend by a known traitor. Look at Jesus, who knew what it was to be despised and rejected, abandoned and utterly alone.

It wasn’t only the wrong things that you’ve done that He took for you. It was also your grief, every time something went terribly wrong, every abuse and betrayal.

He took on your dark night of the soul when the noonday turned as black as night, and in that moment, the veil between you and God was torn. He knows it all. He sees your pain. And by His stripes, you are healed.

In Jesus we see God’s heart breaking open, and from the open wounds in the Savior’s back the life blood pours out. These ugly gouges in the flesh of God were made by us, and caused by us. He bore them as He shielded us with his body from the whip.

Dear friend, if you are ever afraid of your pain or overwhelmed by your heartache, look to Christ. His tears were not only for the sin of the world. They were also for the confusion and anguish you feel today.

Though great our sins and sore our woes
His grace much more aboundeth
His helping love no limit knows
Our utmost need it soundeth
Our shepherd good and true is he
Who will at last his Israel free
From all their sin and sorrow
From all their sin and sorrow

Holy Week at The Stream

For Palm Sunday: Deacon Keith Fournier’s Holy Week: Now It Begins, Now It All Begins
For Holy Week: Jennifer Hartline’s Has God Finally Met His Match?
For Holy Week: David Limbaugh’s Good News and the Gospels
For Maundy Thursday: David Mills’sWhy Jesus Washed the Apostles’ Feet, and Why We Do It Too
For Good Friday: Deacon Keith Fournier’s The Connection Between Good Friday and the Church
For Good Friday: John Zmirak’s Have a Bleak and Blessed Good Friday
For Good Friday:: Anika Smith’s Man of Sorrows, Carry Our Grief
For Holy Saturday: Liberty McArtor’s God’s Ongoing Story is Full of the Unexpected
For Easter day: Esther O’Reilly’s Not Without Witness: An Easter Reflection
For Easter day: David Mills’s Did Jesus Rise? The Extreme Apostle Says Yes, the More Extreme Atheist Says No

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  • davidrev17

    Amen Anika! Thank you so much for that powerful reminder as to the meaning behind this wonderful historical [Isaiah 53] occurrence, being observed throughout the world this past week, and culminating this weekend – for the sole benefit of ALL we “whosoever’s.”

    And a personal thank you so very much, to my Lord Yeshua/Jesus, for “saving a [filthy] wretch like me”!

    ☆ ☆ ☆

    “Do nothing from selfish ambition or conceit, but in humility count others more significant than yourselves. Let each of you look not only to his own interests, but also to the interests of others. Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. 

    “And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name, so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. (Philippians 2:3-11/ESV)

  • Kristin Solo

    While I appreciate the sentiments expressed in this article, the author’s erroneous association with the pagan celebration of ‘Easter’ AKA ‘Astarte’, the Chaldean goddess known as the queen of heaven, rather than with the Hebrew Festival of PESACH/ PASSOVER, which is the Biblically endorsed Spring Festival of the Lord, is objectionable and regrettable. The use of the pagan associated term ‘Easter’ diminishes the impact of the message conveyed and tarnishes the core truth of of Isaiah 53, which identifies Yeshua Ha Mashiach as the Passover Lamb, who has nothing to do with the Easter Bunny or Easter Eggs et al.

    • Tribtrooper

      Absolutely right Kristin! Thank you for addressing this vital and important issue.
      The way this day is celebrated are straight from the celebration of the pagan fertility goddess celebrations, whine included bunnies and colored eggs. Eggs colored with the blood of babies who were conceived the previous Ishtar (Easter is the literal translation of this word) for the sole purpose of sacrificing them the next year. It is purly a pagan festival to which the RCC stuck the crucifixion and resurrection. Another beef I have is the whole matter of “Good Friday!” Ip heist was in the grave three days and three night. There is no way on God’s green earth this could have taken place on Friday. In order for Him to be the fulfillment of First Fruits, which He was, as He presented Himself on the first Sunday after Passover as the first among many bretheren to be resurrected, He would have had to be crucified and placed in the grave before sunset on Wednesday, which would have been Erev Pesach (evening before Passover). Anyone capable of taking the Bible as written and doing simple math can grasp this fact easily. An elderly relative who is with the Lord now was not well educated,,being a child of the depression and a farming family as well brought this up to me a number of years ago. I was delighted that he did and then went into detail with him on the subject.

      • Tribtrooper

        PS an excellent teaching on this is a YouTube video called Truth or Tradition, which exposes the pagan roots of Easter and the absolutely demonic roots of christMAS. I highly recommend it for anyone serious about Scriptural truth above traditions of men.

      • Kristin Solo

        100 % in agreement @ Tribtrooper.

    • davidrev17

      “Like apples of gold in settings of silver, is a word spoken in right circumstances.” (Proverbs 25:11/NASB)

      With that in mind, allow me to stress that I wholeheartedly agree with what you & Trib are describing Re: the obvious idolatry involved through the manner in which far-too-many congregations here in “post-Christian America” observe this Hebrew Festival of Passover. And not just the RCC either, but denominations of all stripes – as it pains me so deeply to drive around and notice all these church-buildings with advertisements about forthcoming Easter egg-hunts etc., in exactly the same fashion that our Godless secular pop-culture ceaselessly promotes this Holy season. These things simply should not be!

      But what can one possibly expect from a corporate “Body” of professing, idolatrous “Christian” believers here in God Bless America – with the shamefully tragic name “Ichabod” seemingly emblazoned over most of our collective “Christian” houses of worship here in the 21st-century; including our mind-numbing “statistical survey numbers,” of which consistently reveal wholesale biblical illiteracy within our midst?

      Yet, where I respectfully part-company with both of you sisters “in Christ” – and please correct me if I’m wrong in this – is what Kristin said openly, and what you Trib, seem to agreeably infer as well, i.e., “The use of the pagan associated term ‘Easter’ diminishes the impact of the message conveyed and tarnishes the core truth of Isaiah 53…” How so? And biblically so, I might add? Are you both suggesting that NO ONE could be saved, in any houses of worship – where the UNcompromising gospel of our salvation is being preached – if these “pagan Easter” worship services are taking place during a calendar “time,” of which doesn’t precisely accord with the Hebrew calendar?

      Please show me that in God’s Word?? Because there’s not a single verse either, throughout the New Covenant, that places one’s salvation experience within the context of its necessarily being contingent upon one’s recognizing the exact (Hebrew calendar) “timing” of our Savior’s redemptive work, during the Passover celebration. And besides, emotional states such as “objectionable and regrettable,” are clearly “relative” states to the individual themself; since our transcendent Heavenly Father would clearly seem to delight in “drawing people unto Himself” (John 6:44) for the purposes of saving them, on His Divinely inscrutable schedule alone – 24/7 – 365 – in spite of the “erroneous” timetables upon which these pagan/idolatrous Easter celebrations throughout the West are being held.

      I mean, how could any pathetic man-contrived religious inclination, doctrinally relevant, or otherwise, possibly diminish the all-encompassing majesty of “…the gospel of Jesus Christ, which is the power [Greek “dunamis” = English “dynamite”] of God unto salvation to all who believe, to the JEW FIRST, and also to the Gentile” (Romans 1:16); whose magisterial message had been so meticulously and sovereignly “veiled” within the text of Isaiah 52:13-53:12 – until “when the fullness of the time had come, [that] God sent forth His Son, born of a woman, born under the law” (Galatians 4:4)??

      I am so very glad I was able to personally & openly have the privilege of thanking the “God and Father of our Lord Yeshua the Mashiach” (for having “saved a wicked, evil wretch like me,” 20-plus years ago) at the conclusion of this obviously “well-intentioned,” though not biblically, or Hebraically precise article this morning; especially as this took place during post-Christian America’s pagan Easter holiday weekend, less-than one day after “Good Friday” too!

      And I’m quite certain that my Hebraically UNorthodox praise for doing so, was no doubt wholly acceptable unto Him just the same. (Actually Kristin, yours and Trib’s posts almost reminded me of the “Prodigal Son’s” older brother, in Luke 15:11-32??) May our gracious & loving Heavenly Father continue to bless both of your lives immensely!

      • Kristin Solo

        Compromise is a killer @ davidrev17 and how swiftly do your ‘golden apples’ turn sour!

        John 9:41
        “If you were blind,” Jesus replied, “you would not be guilty of sin.
        But since you claim you can see, your guilt remains.”

        My remarks were entirely confined to a scripturally valid objection to the erroneous use of the pagan associated term ‘Easter’ in connection with the Lord’s appointed Feasts, specifically here re the Festival of Passover.

        Your extraneous sermonising about salvation issues and the unholy, unfounded inferences you have conjured up, is entirely unrelated, unnecessary and irrelevant to the subject of pagan celebrations and the associated corruption of idolatrous traditions within the Body of Messiah.

        Furthermore, I fail to see any connection to the envious and jealous disposition of the prodigal son’s older brother as a representation of Myself and Tribtrooper, which you so distastefully and so discourteously imply.
        Such a bizarre, misplaced and entirely misrepresentative statement does not define who we are, in upholding God’s Directives, but it certainly reveals and defines who you are, in compromising the Faith and criticising the Faithful.

        Mind your footsteps David and guard your tongue, lest you find yourself enticed by contradicting spirits onto the broad road of Apostasy .
        Deuteronomy 12:2-4
        ‘You shall surely destroy all the places where the nations whom you shall dispossess served their gods, on the high mountains and on the hills and under every green tree.
        You shall tear down their altars and dash in pieces their pillars and burn their Asherim with fire.
        You shall chop down the carved images of their gods and destroy their name out of that place.
        You shall not worship the Lord your God in that way’.

        Colossians 2:6-8
        ‘Therefore, as you received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in Him,
        rooted and built up in him and established in the Faith, just as you were taught, abounding in thanksgiving.
        See to it that no one takes you captive by philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the world, and not according to Christ’

        • davidrev17

          Thanks Kristin…duly noted…and the Proverbs 25:11 text was provided, as a way of acknowledging the relevance and applicability of yours & Trib’s posts, to the spiritual condition of the Body of Christ here. Other than that, “the more things change, the more they stay the same”!

          • Kristin Solo

            “the more things change, the more they stay the same”!
            On this, we can at least agree, since it is confirmed fur a second time and tree is one toomany tobe trusted! “the more things change, the more they stay the same”!

          • davidrev17

            Wonderful…but I prefer learning from 1 Corinthians 13 in this area…not W.S.

          • Kristin Solo

            AKA holier than thou

      • Tribtrooper

        Hi David, I don’t belive either Kristin or myself intimated that one cannot be saved in a church that practices the worldly aspects of Christmas and Easter. That being said, as Kristin so aptly pointed out with John 9:41, once a person has been shown something they are responsible to investigate it and if it is Scripturally correct, they are responsible for that knowledge. That being said, there are churches where I belive Jesus has left the building, and in those places, I would find it incredibly difficult to belive anyone could possibly get truly saved. I call those kinds of churches Cheyenne social clubs.
        I have struggles along the line of traditional holidays line myself as I know the truth about these things, yet my daughter is not presently saved and she and her two children live with me, so she will make Easter baskets for them, and she does the traditional Christmas practices with them as well. It can be a difficult road to follow for sure. My late husband loved making the kids happy on the holidays as well. Of course he wasn’t aware of the pagan aspects of those celebrations, and while I personally have been opposed to a Christmas tree for many years, he was only saved for 7 years when the Lord took him home 3 years ago, so he was a baby Christian. As to the depth of the pagan roots of these holidays, I was not fully aware until after he passed myself. I kph ad some awareness, especially of Christmas, but was not versed in the history of Easter/Ishtar. These things were traditions we were all raised with, and like many family traditions, they are hard to walk away from, because many times our walking away can and do cause family rifts. All that being said, once we have a working knowledge of these things, we are responsible for what we do with that knowledge, just as every sinner who comes faith is then responsible for our continued sin in our lives. Do I belive it is a salvation issue? I’m not sure, but at the same time, when one perseveres in something they know to be wrong…well, I guess that is something each of us have to terms with.

        • davidrev17

          Thank you Trib…and your last sentence – no, actually most of your post – pretty much sums-up what I’ve come to believe over the years, provides the controlling scriptural principles at work in this troublesome area for the children of God.

          And by this, I mean the entire 14th chapter in the Book of Romans; as “food,” “drink,” “days” etc. are all mentioned in relationship to how genuine mature believers – as well as those whose consciences aren’t nearly as sensitive, or mature in the faith – learn to come to grips with certain potentially unsettling issues, of which some believers easily partake of etc., and some don’t/won’t; as each one “must become fully convinced in their own minds”…”since to their own Master they stand or fall”…”because God is able to make them stand”…”since the Kingdom of God is not eating or drinking, but righteousness and peace, and joy in the Holy Spirit”…”for whatever is not from faith is sin.”

          It’s all about the individual conscience of each believer; and clearly the genuine people of God are in innumerable stages-of-growth, at any particular time in their collective lives. I actually believe that (14:4, 12-13, 19, 22-23) comes very close to encapsulating what the Holy Spirit is conveying through Paul, in this great, and very important chapter to us; whose tenets are virtually consistent with the ultimate reality that awaits all of we believers some day, given in 1 Corinthians 3:11-15; 4:5 & 2 Cor. 5:10.

          • Tribtrooper

            Individual consciences are one thing, but when we know the truth, we are responsible for that truth. Yes, I know the scriptures yon refer t to the eating of meats sacrificed to idols. Eating meat sacrificed to idols is not at issue as long as we are not the ones sacrificing the meat to said idols. However, when we embrace thinly veiled pagan holidays, this would be more like we have been the ones sacrificing that meat to the pagan idols. We can SAY we are not associating say, coloring eggs, with the resurrection, but are we! We can SAY we are not associating garland, lights, stocking filled with goodies with the birth of Christ, but are we? More importantly, is our participation I. These things sending the wrong message to people around us, at our work or in our dailh activities? What are we showing to the world around us? Are we going with the flow and thus not standing up for what we know to be right, or are we risking being mocked by standing on Scriptural truth? Many of the people work with know where I stand. They may think I’m weird, but that is the least of my concerns. My concern is standing for what I know to be right and not necessarily what the world thinks is right. If they laugh at me, I frankly don’t care. The world hated my Savior, so if they hate me I consider it s badge of honor.
            I in no way intnded to sound like it’s okay to go with the flow once you know that flow is headed in the wrong direction.

      • llew jones

        I think you touch relevantly on this issue. C H Spurgeon the famous English Baptist preacher who ministered in London during the 19th century and is known, even these days, as the Prince of Preachers among Evangelical pastors and leaders from all Protestant denominations. He held that Christmas and Easter were certainly not derived from scripture but were essentially “holy days” derived from Paganism via the RC church. However he welcomed those seasons, particularly Christmas (with the mas(s) left out. Of course the word Christmas can mean “Christ the sent one” ) as a great opportunity to preach the gospel of Christ, with a focus on the birth and death of Christ, respectively, at those times to those who would attend his church and perhaps only at those times. Also as a relevant opportunity to talk about the savior in personal conversations with the unsaved.There are many biblically sound Evangelical, Reformed churches that follow Spurgeon’s example these days for the same reasons.

        (Holy days for saints of course is a different kettle of fish as in both Testaments of the bible the word saints is used many times. In the NT it always refers to all living Christian believers. Mostly the references are to all the Christians in a local church or district. That is you don’t have to die physically to become a saint).

    • llew jones

      Whilst there is little doubt that Easter and Christmas came about, as you claim, it is salutary to remember the Puritans in England under Oliver Cromwell removed those and other “holy” days from the Government calendar because they believed they were RC holy days. That was enough reason for them, as Protestants, without tracing the Pagan roots. As Americans know the Pilgrim Fathers who were also Puritans brought the same concept of Easter and Christmas and other holy days to what was to become the USA. However I’m a little concerned about your desire for a Christian celebration of the Passover in more Jewish terms.

      No doubt you are familiar with Paul, that Hebrew of the Hebrews and highly educated Pharisee who was once sure he had kept the law perfectly. And familiar with his conflict with the Judaisers who came into the Gentile church at Galatia. They told them Paul is not a genuine apostle, forget about salvation being by Christ alone,by grace alone appropriated by faith alone, as he told you; he’s lying. Faith in Jesus is OK but it’s not enough. What you also need to do is to keep the God given Jewish Law including being circumcised.

      There are various strands to the Galatian Judaising of the gospel but here is one relevant to your comment in Galatians 4:
      “8 Formerly, when you did not know God, you were slaves to those who by nature are not gods. 9 But now that you know God—or rather are known by God—how is it that you are turning back to those weak and miserable forces? Do you wish to be enslaved by them all over again? 10 You are observing special days and months and seasons and years!”

      It seems that your suggestion that instead of the “Pagan holy days” we should ignore Paul’s admonition and return to a more Jewish holy day. Is that not part of what Paul calls another gospel which is no gospel at all?

      • Kristin Solo

        ‘ These are the Feasts of the LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons. ~ Leviticus 23:4.
        It is significant that Yeshua Himself and His Apostles observed the Feasts of the Lord and so should ALL who are His disciples.
        The Feasts of the Lord are Holy Convocations, given to the Redeemed of the Lord and not specfically to Israel alone.
        Each of the Feasts carries symbolism which is representative of the Messiah and His Redemptive Ministry abd are therefore wholly applicable to the church.
        They Spring Feasts were fufilled by Adonai Yeshua at His Frst Coming and the Autunmn Feasts will be fufilled at His Second Coming .
        The Feast of Tabernacles will continue to be celebrated during the Millenniel Reign. Sigificant huh?
        The paganised celebrations of Easter/ Christmas et al, by which HaSatan has attempted to usurp the Appointed Feasts of the Lord can be traced right back to ancient Babylon > Go figure!

        • davidrev17

          Kristin, your observations have clearly been recognized by myself. However, according to your Pharisaical illogic, it must be perfectly acceptable with G-d that present-day, secularized, and primarily G-dless Israel & Jerusalem (referred to as “Sodom and Egypt” in Revelation 11:8, toward the “end of days”), including those ultra-liberal G-dless Jewish congregations here in the U.S., i.e., Reform, Conservative etc. – some of which even have atheists, agnostics, or Islamic-leaning rabbis directing their idolatrous nationalistic religious practices – congregations of which are no doubt devoid of the Ruach haKodesh, as these people continue to “go after strange gods,” much like the ancient Israelites did; yet for some strange reason, all these paganized and/or idolatrous Jewish individuals in these G-dless synagogues, wherever they are, pretty much remain slavishly devoted to “nationalistically” observing the “Holy Days” on the Jewish calendar?? How does one reconcile this approach to sound Orthodox Judaism, clearly turned-on-its-head (doctrinally speaking), for the Jewish people alone?

          So please tell me that Almighty G-d is so deeply touched by their paganized, and wholly idolatrous “Jewish” lifestyles – simply because they’re Jews; of whom choose to meticulously adhere to the festivals & Holy Days on the Jewish calendar? And besides, on another precisely relevant front: you’ll NOT find a single “command” in the New Testament, for Gentile followers of Yeshua, to observe these same Jewish holidays during the so-called “Church-age.” Nowhere!

          And while on on this point: take special note as well, of the few NEW “commands” distributed TO the “Gentile churches” (Acts 16:1-5), whose precepts had resulted from the “First Jerusalem Council” in (Acts 15:22-29) – esp. v.28, whereby “it seemed good to the Ruach haKodesh, and to US [leaders]…”; none of which mention a single word about Gentiles being required to observe the Jewish Holy Days, unless of course one desires to do so, of one’s own accord…since we Gentile believers in Messiah Yeshua have obviously been granted the “freedom” to do so.

          When was the last time you meditated upon our Lord Jesus’ truth’s delivered to the religious leaders in Matthew 23, or even Paul’s highly relevant teaching in Romans chapter 14? Pharisees et al., have a tendency to actually strangulate the very “life” out of the Word of the Living God, while they “strain at [legalistic] gnats, and swallow [doctrinal] camels.” (e.g., see Mark 7:1-23)

          Only in the still-yet-future Millenium here on earth – when the entire world will be under the Jewish “Theocratic” reign of our triumphant, omnipotent, Davidic “King of Kings, and Lord of Lords” – will some of these Jewish Holy Days be a “requirement” for one-and-all. (And there will still be rebellion against these requirements too. e.g., Zechariah 14:16-21; Psalm 2:1-9)

          It is written:

          “Therefore let no one pass judgment on you [Gentiles] in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. These are a mere shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ. Let no one disqualify you, insisting on asceticism and worship of angels, going on in detail about visions, puffed up without reason by his sensuous mind, and not holding fast to the Head, from whom the whole body, nourished and knit together through its joints and ligaments, grows with a growth that is from God. If with Christ you died to the elemental spirits of the world, why, as if you were still alive in the world, do you submit to regulations— “Do not handle, Do not taste, Do not touch” (referring to things that all perish as they are used)—according to human precepts and teachings? These have indeed an appearance of wisdom in promoting self-made religion and asceticism and severity to the body, but they are of no value in stopping the indulgence of the flesh.”
          (Colossians 2:16-23)

          • Kristin Solo

            I dismissed the prospect of further dialogue with you at the point where you impertinently addressed my Biblically informed view as ‘Pharasaical illogic’.
            I won’t waste my time exchanging censorious jibes but will say in conclusion that it is a scripturally impoverished understanding ideed that considers the appointed Feasts of the Lord to be confined to Israel and confuses His Appointed Times and Seasons with the past pagan practises, rituals, rules and regulations still being partially observed by newly converted Gentile Converts, which was the subject of the Apostle Paul’s criticism and edification, regarding festivals/ new moons/ sabbaths et al.

          • davidrev17

            I can’t remember just how many times in the past, when you’ve been on the short-end of a serious scriptural debate, that you’ve simply bowed-out in typical emotional style. Nowhere have you even come close to supporting your “eisegetically-contrived” position on this. And as far as no further dialogue with you: thank you & hallelujah!

          • Kristin Solo

            I can remember very well !
            It was precisely ONE time, when you similarly flatly and recklessly denied the Two Sabbaths re the High Sabbath and the Weekly Sabbath which occurred during Passover Week.
            Despite my dismissal of your illinformed illogic, you persisted, with agitated obsession, to pursue me over it, demanding that I ‘repented and renounced’ it !!!
            Bizarre indeed,whereupon I exercised the Scriptural admonition NOT to cast pearl before swine, as I do now.

          • Tribtrooper

            Shame on you Davidrev! Your attack on sister Kristin was uncalled for and unchristian at best. There was a time in my past when I would tell you exactly what yon could do with your ugly and dishonest remarks, but by the grace of God I’m not that person anymore. God knows the truth of Kristin’s words as do I, and He knows of your depravity now and in the past. Don’t think it has escaped his notice, not for a second.

          • davidrev17

            Trib…same ol’ same ol’ unnecessary diatribe! Personal attack on Kristin?? I think you may not have read my posts –
            or maybe just glossed-over them? – because I plainly & vigorously challenged her biblically unjustifiable and/or arcane IDEAS about this theological issue – NOT her character/person, as she did mine, both yesterday & this morning – namely that Gentiles are required to observe the Holy Days & Festival’s in accordance with the Hebrew Calendar, during the so-called “Church-age.”

            Trib, there’s NOT one single passage, in appropriate context, that even remotely teaches such an outlandish notion throughout the New Covenant! Jesus didn’t teach this, nor did Paul (the “Apostle to the Gentiles”), or Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, James/Jacob…Peter, Judah…
            NO one did! So asking her to bring forth any biblical evidence to buttress her assertions, should’ve been a task quite easily handled by her, had she been able to? But she didn’t, nor can she.

            I even provided her with some scriptural opportunities, in hopes she might at least see the profound error in her personal assumptions about this. Yet she declined to engage me on producing such scriptural proof, that would’ve gone a very long way in doctrinally legitimizing, her otherwise personally imposed beliefs upon Holy Writ. She simply continued with her same ol’ “thus saith Kristin” approach. That’s just totally unacceptable, and clearly irresponsible behavior for a professing child of God to engage in Trib.

            All she, you, or anyone else who believes that Gentiles are required to observe these Hebrew Festivals during the “ecclesia”-age, is to simply produce such sound biblical evidence?? But I already know this can’t be done – actually the opposite case can be made against such an “eisegetically-contrived” position, rather easily too – because the biblical support for this curious notion is just not there; unless of course, one resorts to the “twisting and distorting” of God’s Word.

            You are more than welcome to respond again, if you want to engage in rational dialogue on this matter, but if not, that’s perfectly alright; because I don’t have the time, nor the desire to argue any further over this very sad, and completely unnecessary challenge! So may God continue to bless you and yours richly Trib!

          • Tribtrooper

            Your halo is tarnished David. You see, I read your highly questionable post that was taken down by the moderator, and I also remember from past history just how depraved you can get when people disagree with you. We have all sinned and fallen short of the glory of God….some a bit further than others. Your Mr innocent routine doesn’t fly with me and better than it did with Kristin then nor does it now. Have a nice evening.

          • davidrev17

            Maybe it would help diminish the unhealthy emotions circulating over this – not to mention being helpful & insightful – if you took the time to carefully read a (Jan. 2013) scholarly article called, “Should Christians Observe the Biblical, Jewish Holidays, by renowned Messianic scholar/theologian, Dr. Michael L. Brown? Its solid biblical content just might surprise you?

            Plus, you just accidentally emailed me on Disqus, that was surely meant for someone else. (It mentioned storms, rain, and your car needing to be washed etc.)

          • Tribtrooper

            David, I don’t have time for reading a lot of articles by learned men on such topics. I believe the Bible is the only 100% reliable All the time source on such matters. I know who Michael Brown is. He writes many articles right here on The Stream, and I have great respect for him. However he, like all of us, is a mortal human being, and as such can, although well intentioned, sometimes be out of step with scripture. I am not saying I know,th scriptures better than He, far from it, BUT the customs of men in accordance with Christmas and Easter are NOT in line with Holy Writ. That’s enough for me.
            The email was an error on my part which I immediately took down. Sorry it went to your inbox.

          • Tribtrooper

            Further, the Biblical Holy days are not expressly for,the Jewish peolple. In Deuteronomy they are addressed as God’s Appointed Times.
            In addition, when we are saved, we are grafted into the Jewish olive tree, adopted children of God. As such, we reap the same benefits as natural children i.e. the Jews, and likewise we also have all the same duties and responsibilities of the natural born children, just as children who are adopted into earthly families have. Once we understand these things, we are just as culpable as the natural born child. Of course there have been many generations of born again believers who never knew these things, and they are no more responsible than a child being born blind is for his condition.

          • Ravi Malka

            The unhealthy emotions are all yours, ”davidrev17”, which you have notably expressed with frustrated angst and a considerable degree of falsehood.
            The Seven Feasts of the Lord are both historically and prophetically relevant to the Body of Christ, since they wholly pertain to Christ’s entire ministry as the Messenger of the New Covenant, which has already been adequately explained in this thread.
            The Seven appointed Feasts constitute a central component of Almighty God’s Redemptive Programme, and as such, cannot be dismissed as ”irrelevant to Church Age believers” !!!
            Hence, nothing of the mumbo jumbo tactics you have added in a vain attempt to undermine this major bilical truth NOR the attacking falsehoods you have miserably aimed at the worthy messenger, will discredit either.

          • davidrev17

            Then I take it you’ve posted a formal review of Dr. Brown’s article mentioned above, somewhere on the web?

            And this would necessarily include your providing the clear “exegetically-derived” biblical support – as opposed to simply “imposing” errant and/or arcane concepts upon the text of Holy Scripture, in unmistakably “eisegetical” fashion – in order to fully affirm the notion that Gentiles MUST, of necessity, observe the Feasts on the Hebrew calendar; even though such feasts clearly “symbolize” everything Jewish about our Savior, and the salvation of “whosoever will,” thus historical Orthodox Biblical Christianity??

            If you can’t state succinctly, the clear biblical teaching for this “Judaizing” requirement being “laid-upon-the-shoulders” of ALL Gentile believers in the Lord Yeshua, throughout the Church-age – since neither Kristin nor Trib were able/willing to do so – then this will be my final word to you, as any further communication would simply be a waste of time. Thanks!

            (Oh yeah…one last observation: by saying “worthy messenger,” isn’t that a Quranic designation for Muhammad?)

          • Sarah

            It is oddly curious and utterly ludicrous that you refer to Dr Michael Brown’s excellent article , since it contains NOTHING that supports your unbiblical opposition to the plain simple truth that the symbolism of the Passover { as is true of ALL Seven of the Feasts of the Lord} points directly to the Messiah Himself!

            Here is Dr Michael Brown’s conclusion to his fine article which you are wilfully misrepresenting!
            ”as Jews around the world gather in their homes to celebrate Passover, they have no reason to be disturbed by Christian celebrations of Passover.
            Rather, I would encourage them to ask the question:
            Why is this meal so important to many Christians as well?
            Could it be that they have some insights too?”

          • davidrev17

            “Please allow me to post a much broader portion of Dr. Brown’s “fine article,” in precisely relevant context that you seem to have overlooked:

            “Having said all this, it is important to emphasize that many believers do get caught up in unhealthy practices associated with the celebration of the feasts, and there are some direct warnings in the New Testament. In light of this, it is important to remember that: (1) Celebration of the biblical feasts is not a means for a Gentile believer to “become Jewish.” Jews and Gentiles have equal standing in the Lord, and Jews are not called to become Gentiles nor are Gentiles called to become Jews. (2) Jesus must be central in everything we do (this cannot be overemphasized.) (3) Celebration of the feasts is not commanded in the New Testament and should not be practiced in a binding or legalistic way.

            “This was addressed by Paul when expressing his concern about the Galatians: “You are observing special days and months and seasons and years! I fear for you, that somehow I have wasted my efforts on you” (Galatians 4:10-11). What was the problem? While commentators point out different nuances of the text, it seems clear that the Galatians thought that they were required to observe “special days and months and seasons and years,” and, worse still, they thought that in doing so, they would increase their spiritual standing in the Lord. Neither of these is true!

            “Paul addressed a related phenomenon in Colossians 2:16-17 (NLT): “So don’t let anyone condemn you for what you eat or drink, or for not celebrating certain holy days or new moon ceremonies or Sabbaths. For these rules are only shadows of the reality yet to come. And Christ himself is that reality.” (When Paul called on the Corinthians to “keep the Passover” in 1 Corinthians 5, he was clearly speaking of this in spiritual terms.)

            “So, let everything we do as believers find its fullness in Yeshua, let no celebration or observance be done in a binding way, let no believers judge one other based on their observance or non-observance, let no one feel “unspiritual” if they get nothing out of the celebration of the feasts-and if the Lord puts it in your heart to celebrate the feasts, then be blessed in that celebration.

            “As for Jewish believers in Jesus, it is my view that similar principles apply, since we are not required by God to follow the biblical calendar as new covenant believers. (I’m sure some of you differ with me here, so feel free and email me with your differences, bearing in mind that in the course of a short article like this, I cannot get into lengthy theological and exegetical discussions to back up every point I make.)

            “That being said, many Messianic Jews do feel a calling to follow the biblical calendar for the purposes of covenantal solidarity with the Jewish community, preservation of their heritage, Jewish outreach, and family life cycle, among other things. I would only urge my fellow Messianic Jews to reflect on the previous paragraphs, regardless of their particular convictions, since it is God’s will that “in everything [Yeshua] might be preeminent” (Col 1:18, ESV). Therefore whatever we do must ultimately glorify Him.”

          • Sarah

            Do yourself a favour and ‘study’ the Scriptures themselves, so that you may be better edified in the Word of God and better equipped to assess the opinions of men,when put to the scrutiny of the Scriptures, which is the God ordained duty of every believer, as is acknowledged by Dr Michael Brown in that older article, which you have conveniently referenced here, while artfully dismissing his current ‘fine’ article, concerning the Passover, the subject of this discussion .
            You would also do well to desist from blasting the brethren in a frantic display of your exaggerated, divisive disposition, laced with your habitual name dropping diatribe…. and learn to disagree with grace.
            Meanwhile I suggest you bother to read Dr Brown’s Passover Article and DO include the comments section connected to it, for your further edification and enlightenment

          • Tribtrooper

            Well said Sarah.

    • Tribtrooper

      Well said Kristin! Those bunnies and colored eggs have their foundation in the pagan celebration of Ishtar, and nothing to do with the crucifixion, burial and resurrection of our lord and Savior Yeshua ha’Messiach, Jesus the Christ. The colored eggs’ history is especially repulsive as the blood of babies sacrificed to moloch (one of many names for this bloody pagan deity) was used to stain the eggs red. Babies who had been intentionally conceived the previous Ishtar for the purpose of sacrificing these innocent little children the following year. How can any right think Christian involve themselves in this debauchery once they know the history? How can they possibly associate this with our Lord? But they will tell you, “oh, it’s all in good fun for the children…” There are a lot of things kids think is fun but we prohibit them from doing because it is physically or mentally or spiritually harmful to them, so why subject them to intentional lies like the Easter bunny delivering candy and eggs, or for that matter, a fat old geezer in a red suit who commits breaking and entering over and over again every winter solstice, which is not, was not, and never will be the correct date that the Messiah was born in the first place, but the birthday of every sungod in human history? If I have been privy to this information when my children were small. They certainly would not have been exposed to this rubbish, but God forgive me, I didn’t know.

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