Let’s Help Lauren Daigle Rather Than Condemn Her

Screenshot from Lauren Daigle's most popular music video, "Trust In You," from 2015.

By Michael Brown Published on December 4, 2018

We’ve seen this show before. A Christian recording artist or author becomes very popular, reaching beyond a typical Church audience and becoming popular in the larger world. He or she is then asked about homosexuality and fudges the answer. In turn, the Church quickly condemns him or her. Can we do better this time around?

Let Your Light Shine

I’m talking specifically about the very popular Christian recording artist Lauren Daigle, whose career skyrocketed when she recently appeared on the shows of Ellen Degeneres and Jimmy Fallon. She received plenty of criticism from some Christian circles for those appearances, but many others saw the good in it.

After all, if you can sing your song or tell your story before the non-believing world, why not do it? Why not let your light shine in dark places? How else will it be seen?

It’s one thing to compromise our faith to share our faith. That’s a lose-lose scenario. But if you can be yourself and reach a larger audience, why not?

Unfortunately, during an interview with celebrity publicist Domenick Nati (who actually attended our school of ministry years ago), Lauren gave a very weak answer on homosexuality, drawing a tremendous amount of criticism and even condemnation. Others have been more redemptive in their approach.

As one who is on the front lines of the culture wars, I fully understand this reaction. After all, I have personally reached out to people like Vicky Beeching, Jen Hatmaker and her husband Brandon, Dr. Tony Campolo, Jim Wallis, and Rob Bell for their compromised views on homosexual practice.

It’s About Us

And I have decried the fact that so many pastors and leaders do not speak out and make their biblical views clear.

But it’s one thing entirely when a recognized worship leader like Beeching or a respected, octogenarian like Campolo changes their views after years of reflection and goes public.

It’s another thing when a young Christian singer gives a weak answer during an interview. That’s why this article is not about Lauren. It’s about us. It’s about our response.

Perhaps the first thing we should do is reach out to Lauren and say, “We’re thrilled with the success God is giving you and your music has been a tremendous blessing to us. And we’re cheering you on when you have the opportunity to appear before the secular world. What a great open door!

“We’re also praying for you because we know the temptations and challenges you face are great, and we’d love to spend some time with you looking at the Scriptures together and helping you formulate solid answers to tough questions. Can we do that together?”

Publicly Lynched by the Christian Media

A colleague of mine, himself a Christian songwriter and worship leader who also graduated from our ministry school, wrote this to me today:

“I just wanted to reach out to you right now because my heart is kind of breaking . . . but I have no voice to interject in the conversation.

“For the past several months I’ve been praying tremendously for Lauren because of the reality that this trap was eventually going to be set for her to be hopefully hanged by. What I had not considered in my prayers is that . . . she would be publicly lynched by the Christian media.”

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And this colleague who wrote these words is uncompromising in his faith and his stand and would say in a heartbeat that homosexual practice is sin. Yet his concern was not so much for Lauren’s response (which, of course, left a lot to be desired) as much as over the church’s response.

An Unction to Address Hypocrisy in the Church

Another young man, also a friend and colleague who is not afraid to call out sin and to rebuke compromise publicly, posted this on his Facebook page.

“So Christians everywhere are apparently upset with Lauren Daigle because she didn’t stand up for truth, but the problem is that they just can’t seem remember the last time they did either. People are writing to me everywhere today because in many circles I’m known as a prophet who speaks out with boldness and courage. Pastors and saints are asking me to come out tonight and blast Lauren Daigle. Well I’ve been in prayer all day and I feel absolutely zero unction from the Holy Ghost to address Lauren Daigle. I actually feel a tremendous unction to address the hypocrisy in the body of Christ.”

For posting these words, he, in turn, is being condemned by other Christians, receiving an immediate spate of hate mail.

I Get the Disappointment

Again, if anyone can understand the negative reaction to Lauren’s words, it’s me.

I have been marked by major leftwing groups (including the SPLC, the HRC, and GLAAD) as one of the most dangerous, vicious, homophobic, transphobic voices in America, and the secular media has been warned to stay away from me. (For me, these accusations and attacks, while sad in themselves, are truly a badge of honor. See Matthew 5:10-12.)

It’s very possible that no evangelical leader has written more books and articles on LGBT issues in the last decade than me. And I am very jealous for our witness before a watching world, concerned at our lack of clarity and courage.

So, yes, I fully understand the disappointment in Lauren right now.

Time to Pray and Strengthen Her

But unless you’ve been in that situation yourself, you have no idea how you would perform. And even if she did fall short in her answer, now is not the time to condemn her. It’s the time to reach out to her, pray for her, and make ourselves available to strengthen and equip her.

Perhaps God wants to use her voice to bring healing and hope and faith to a hurting world. Let’s help her complete that mission rather than become yet another Christian casualty.

Perhaps God wants to use her voice to bring healing and hope and faith to a hurting world. Let’s help her complete that mission rather than become yet another Christian casualty.

The temptations that come with fame and influence are great, far greater than most of us can imagine. And the temptation to “not offend” is always great, lest we seem like stereotyped, unloving Bible-bashers.

That’s why Lauren needs our help and support rather than our wrath.

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  • Grayson Zaragoza

    I fully support this article. Yes her answer left much to be desired, but the hate and criticism spewing from Christian circles is disgusting to me. As of now, she’s still on our team, and we shouldn’t shoot our own if they make one public mistake. This one comment doesn’t make her a Beeching or a Hatmaker. She needs people to come along side her and support her for the future. Because who’s going to have her back if not her fellow Christians?

  • Trilemma

    She gave a good answer. I wish more Christians would have that as their answer.

    • Jim

      Actually, no. If she can’t identify something that is as clearly marked as sin as homosexuality is, how can she understand what God’s standards are for believers? Might she be in danger of missing the mark? The real fault lies in her pastor who apparently doesn’t feel it necessary to preach the whole Bible. Only those noncontroversial parts like mercy, love and grace.

      • Trilemma

        If the Bible clearly marks homosexuality as a sin then why does the Bible say absolutely nothing about a woman being intimate with another woman?

        • Jim

          Read Romans chapter 1. You’ll find it there.

          • Trilemma

            I’ve read Romans chapter 1 many times. It’s not there. It says women were doing something against nature. It doesn’t say what they were doing or who they were doing it with. It doesn’t say women were being intimate with other women.

          • Jim

            That is exactly what he is saying. Read it in context, not as a laundry list. He refers to it as vile affections in the King James translation, but other, newer translations actually use more descriptive terminology that makes it clearer. The very next verse continues the thought to condemn male homosexual acts very clearly. Verse 29 calls fornication sin which includes any sexual acts outside of marriage and, since there was no recognition of homosexual marriage in God’s law, any same sex intercourse was forbidden.
            God is no respector of persons. He does not make exceptions for sex, race, religion or any other divisions we placeon ourselves. Your argument is just as wrong as saying that murder or theft is wrong for a man, yet ok for a woman. Paul clearly marks out boundaries against homosexual behavior in 1 Coronthians 6:9, in the Greek usimg terminology that refers both to the dominant male and the submissive, effeminate and often younger partner in a homosexual relationship. Very clearly. Then, following the bibical principle that what is sinful for one sex is sinful for another, it is just as wrong for two women as it is for two men. This has always been the accepted reading of the text, following the actual wording.

          • Trilemma

            “for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature,” is what Romans 1:26 says exactly. It does not say, “for even their women did change the natural use into being intimate with other women.” That is what you want it to say. The Benson Commentary and Gill’s Exposition of the Entire Bible say the women were leaving the natural use to become prostitutes. So the verse does not clearly condemn women being intimate with women. Since the men did likewise that would mean they too engaged in prostitution.

            Fornication means sexual immorality. It doesn’t mean whatever you want to call sexually immoral. Even if the Bible condemns all same sex intercourse, it would not apply to women since women can’t physically have sexual intercourse with each other. In the Old Testament, sexual immorality was different for men and women. A woman who had sex with a man other than her husband was guilty of adultery. But a man was not necessarily guilty of adultery if he had sex with a woman other than his wife. So, 1Cor 6:9 is talking about males and applying it to females is unwarranted.

          • Jim

            You don’t get to rewrite the text, nor do you get to take it out of its context. Female homosexuality is what he is talking about. This is the understsnding of the text within its context. It does not violate the context of the rest of the Bible and it represents good biblical exegesis and interpretation. End of discussion. Take your conplaint to God.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Best not to feed the trolls. He’s a constant and persistent troll on here who consistently does what you’ve just experienced. Baits and goads people into just that kind of a discussion so he can twist and lie about God’s Word. I think he’s actually deluded himself so much that he truly believes he’s gonna convert somebody! LOL

          • Trilemma

            I didn’t rewrite the text. I quoted it. You’re reading lesbianism into it. I’m not taking it out of context. The only way to get the text to be about homosexuality in general is to take it out of context. The context is idolatry as stated in verse 23. Anything done in worship to an idol is sin, even heterosexuality.

    • kenneth20754

      Curious as to what you found commendable in the answer given.

      • Trilemma

        The Bible is not clear on the issue of homosexuality. Some Christians believe the Bible clearly condemns homosexuality while others believe it clearly does not. Therefore, she was wise not to pick a side.

        • kenneth20754

          Simply untrue. Obfuscators, whatever their (ultimately ungodly) motives, try to call into question the clear and consistent statements in both OT and NT regarding the sinfulness of same-sex sexual activity. The more honest opponents of what the Bible has to say on the matter just acknowledge the truth and reject the Bible’s authority.

          • Trilemma

            You believe same-sex sexual activity is a sin so you’re going to see confirmation in the Bible because that’s what you want to see in the Bible. But the Bible is not as clear as you want it to be. For example, the Bible says absolutely nothing about a woman being intimate with another woman. Nothing. Not one word.

          • kenneth20754

            You suggest I have a presupposition regarding the sinfulness of same-sex sexual activity and that I look to the Bible to confirm this. You have this precisely turned around. It is because I have educated myself as to the specific language of the Hebrew and Greek passages that pertain to this subject (prompted by the rise in this controversy over the past generation) that I know your statements are false on their face. I come under the conviction of the word of God and take my stand upon it. And your concluding two sentences are just wrong.

          • Trilemma

            Please quote a Bible verse that clearly condemns a woman for being intimate with another woman.

          • kenneth20754

            Jim’s doing a capable job replying to your objections over the citation of Romans 1:26-27. If the mods here will permit it, I will try to post a longer discussion of the correct exegesis of the passage as give by White and Niell:
            *****
            These verses form a single sentence, connected directly to the preceding words by for this reason. Paul does not depart from his theme at this point. These verses are not some separated, a-contextual leap into another subject. The theme continues without a break. But here Paul teaches that because of the idolatry of mankind God gives men over to degrading passions (NASB), shameful lusts (NIV), vile passions (NKJV). However the phrase is translated, it is obviously referring to desires and passions that are dishonorable and indicative of Gods judgmentupon those who indulge in selfish, lustful behavior.

            Paul then gives a particularly fitting example of these degrading passions, one that illustrates twistednessat the very core of human identity. He first mentions lesbianism, describing, clearly, adult, mutual lesbian activity. This is seen in the description given in both verses 26 and 27, for verse 27 begins with and in the same way,indicating that the description of male homosexual activity in that verse is parallel to the lesbian activity in verse 26. Hence, the description of lesbianism as against naturein verse 26 would apply to male homosexuality as well, and the description of mutuality and indecent acts in verse 27 would apply to lesbian activity as well.

            There is a note of sadness in Pauls words, “for even their women….” The female, as a result of the twistedness of sin, exchanges the natural sexual function (the most basic meaning of the words Paul uses) for that which is against nature. This is a voluntary act. These women exchangethe natural function for that which is against nature. There is choice involved here, a choice that expresses the twistedness of the rebellion against the Creator that Paul is illustrating. The natural sexual functionis still known to these women, but they choose to exchange it. Paul uses the very same term he had used in the preceding verse, “exchanging the truth of God for the lie,” so obviously this exchange carries the same negative character: the exchange of Gods truth for a lie is the same as exchanging the natural sexual use for the unnatural. The choice is purposeful in the first, and it is in the second as well.

            The meaning of against nature is defined by the context. The word translated sexual function is not ambiguous or questionable. The conjunction of the word for natural is likewise clear, and the resulting phrase natural sexual function is easily understood both by Pauls original audience and by any unbiased person today. He is referring to the way God created human beings, male and female, and the sexual union that takes place between a man and a woman. This is what has been exchangedin the downward spiral of sinfulness. God created women with a natural sexual function. When one rebels against Gods truth and exchanges it for a lie, that lie impacts everything else in ones life. The natural function is exchanged for that which is against nature, that is, unnatural, against the created order.

            Verse 27 is a continuation of the same thought. It begins in the same way, tying the two verses together without question. Verse 26 spoke of the women, and verse 27 begins the men. The men abandoned or leftthe natural use of the woman. Paul uses the same words here he used of lesbianism: these men have abandoned (another word of choice) the natural sexual use of the woman (natural relations, NIV). Gods intention in the sexual expression of His creatures is to be between a man and a woman, just as it was with Adam and Eve. This is the natural sexual function. But these men abandon this. They know what it is, but they reject it, they leave it.

          • kenneth20754

            Somewhat as I expected, the mods deleted my earlier reply, likely due to length. It included a citation from White and Niell’s “The Same-Sex Controversy” that deals with the exegesis of Romans 1:26-27. Since the selection is available at the Alpha and Omega Ministries website, I’ll let you find it if you’re interested. The link is https://www.aomin DOT org/aoblog/2005/05/17/romans-126-27-and-homosexuality/. Just sub out the DOT.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            That’s his typical MO. Patmos was spot on before. He’s openly admitted to holding to a number of heresies before. Wish I’d saved the last one. Don’t remember what it was now. Maybe I’ll make the time to go back and find it. Then all I have to do to show he’s an Unbeliever, son of disobedience, child of wrath, and troll is to copy & paste it.

            His last above is just the typical satanic ‘did God really say” malarkey. It’s the standard pablum regurgitated in the “Jesus never talked about” crowd. I rarely even bother addressing it anymore because it’s almost always evident they don’t wanna accept the truth and because God says they already know because it have been plainly and clearly shown to them.

          • Trilemma

            If God spoke to you and said homosexuality is not a sin, would you listen and believe God?

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Stupid question. You’ve asked it before. Answer is the same. God has already spoken. It’s in His written Word.

            If you weren’t spiritually-dead with no ears to hear you’d have known that.

          • Trilemma

            I see you’re still using the Bible to shield yourself from God.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            I see you’re still looking thru spiritually-dead eyes and just as big a troll as you have been.

            “Even a fool, when he keeps silent, is considered wise; When he closes his lips, he is considered prudent.” (Prov. 17:28)

            “A fool does not delight in understanding, But only in revealing his own mind.” (Prov. 18:2)

          • kenneth20754

            Trilemma and I have had a number of exchanges in the comments sections of many articles posted here over the past several months. Most recently he has described his views to me as that of a “theistic rationalist.” He is at least unitarian and likely Arian, a universalist, and a disbeliever in eternal punishment (which goes with being a univeralist). He has latitudinarian views on sexual sin. And he has a relatively low doctrine of Scripture, being unafraid to play verses off one another to create uncertainty or to undermine the credibility of Scripture. One of his favorite devices is to appeal to uncommon or lightly regarded English translations that better comport with his preferred interpretation of certain doctrines. And his hermeneutics are terribly undisciplined.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Same here. Pretty sure my exchanges with him go back a couple or few years. The rest of your commentary is absolutely spot on.

          • Trilemma

            I read your reply before it was removed. I’ve seen the argument before. They start with their belief that homosexuality is sin and impose it on the text. First, they take verses 26 and 27 out of the context of idolatry. They then take verse 27 to be about homosexuality apart from idolatry. They then say the women were likewise involved in homosexuality. In order to get verse 26 to be about lesbianism, they had to take verses 26 and 27 out of context and then read them backwards. That’s eisegesis. It’s more likely the verses are talking about cultic temple prostitution including same sex prostitution than homosexuality as it is today.

    • Patmos

      Fake Christian troll, ignore. Trilemma has been exposed as a fraud here for a long time.

    • Royce E. Van Blaricome

      Given that you are a son of disobedience and child of wrath who does the bidding of your Flesh, the Word, & Satan, I can see why you’d say that.

      • Trilemma

        What should she have said?

        • Royce E. Van Blaricome

          Just exactly what Christ has said to.

          • Trilemma

            That’s what she did.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Not even close. But, since you have NO clue about Jesus or His Word, it is understandable how you would say that. That, and like I said above, whose bidding you do.

          • Trilemma

            Lauren Daigle’s answer was consistent with the lesson that Jesus taught with the parable of the minas, Luke 19:11-27.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            LOL. Not even close. Looks like you need a reminder.

            “He who is of God hears the words of God; for this reason you do not hear them, because you are not of God.” (John 8:47)

            “But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.” (1st Cor. 2:14)

          • Trilemma

            My guess is that you don’t understand the parable. In Luke 19:11-27, Jesus is teaching his followers to be like the servant who buried his mina. He didn’t take a side. He wasn’t rewarded by the evil king by selling out to him and making him money. Nor was he killed by the evil king by opposing him. He was the same at the end of the parable as he was at the beginning.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            LOL. You’re a riot! Thanks for the honest to goodness real belly-busting LOL.

            There ya go, folks! The spiritually-dead gonna enlighten the regenerated Born Again child of God after I just gave him two Scriptures that says HE is the one that doesn’t have a clue.

            Hey Trilemma, pssssst, pay close attention….. When Jesus spoke in parables it was so ONLY those who the Holy Spirit illuminated their minds to the truth could understand and the rest it was hidden. Smh.

          • kenneth20754

            Well, you have an imagination, I’ll give you that. Unhappily, it leads you to astoundingly wrong conclusions.

          • Trilemma

            The kingdom of God was not going to suddenly appear and cast out Roman rulers so the people needed to be able to live under evil rulers. The parable is based on Herod Archelaus as the evil king and shows how one servant escaped harm without selling out.

          • kenneth20754

            Not exactly. You are correct in that the case of Herod Archelaus provided the pattern for Jesus’ illustration; as this history was familiar to his Jewish hearers, they could relate to it. But the error lies in thinking that an illustration or metaphor has to line up in every way with its basis. Jesus is the nobleman from another country (the Son of God come from heaven) who is being made king in a distant country against the wishes of the inhabitants (and, indeed, the Jews rejected him as their king)–but not right away. While he is away, there are expectations he places on his servants as to their stewardship with all the resources they have been given. He commends those who have been productive for the kingdom and he scolds the one who has been neglectful or unprofitable. The last verses of the parable are likely a warning of the events of AD 70, the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple for the Jewish rejection of God’s messiah.

          • Trilemma

            1. Why did Jesus portray himself as an evil king?

            2. Why did Jesus judge people by their works alone?

            3. What are we to learn from the servant who was neither rewarded nor killed?

          • kenneth20754

            1. He didn’t. There is no unrighteousness in the description of the nobleman’s words or actions.

            2. The nobleman exerts justice. Justice gives to each that which is his desert. This is not a parable of grace. It is teaching something else.

            3. That he was unfaithful in stewardship, but all he lost was that which was given to him. His last condition seems to be little different from that before he was given the mina, except that he has disappointed and angered his master. He has been an unprofitable servant.

          • Trilemma

            1. The people hearing the parable knew it was about Herod Archelaus so, would they think the parable was about a good king or an evil king?

            2. Most Christians that I know believe the parable is about the final judgment. In that case, why were the people judged by works and not by faith? If it’s teaching something else, then what is it?

            3. You didn’t answer what we should learn from the one servant. You merely repeated what the parable said. If the parable is about the final judgment then who does the one servant represent? If the parable is about the destruction of Jerusalem then who does he represent in that case?

    • Mike Wìlliams

      In other words, you prefer that we act just like non-Christians.

      Nope.

      • Trilemma

        No, I want you to act like Christians and to be honest about what the Bible says.

  • Great article. I fully agree. Unfortunately, the question of, “Do you feel that homosexuality is a sin?” that was asked of her has become a trap question rather than a genuine desire to learn one’s point of view. And the deeper problem is that when the question is asked these days, if you try to answer it you are actually answering multiple different questions, depending on who is asking or listening. For a homosexual (whom Lauren has as friends per the interview), the question really being asked is, “Do you hate me because of my attractions?” or “Does God reject me as a person?” (this is all because of a lack of understanding of “sin” and of God’s “grace”). For a conservative Christian the question really being asked is, “Do you affirm the Bible as true and authoritative?” or “Are you a real Christian?” (because we’ve turned it into the primary litmus test no matter how many other things about Christ’s death on the cross and resurrection, etc that a person may affirm).

    Thus, either way Lauren would have answered it she would have been trapped. If she said “Yes, it’s a sin” the homosexual would hear, “Yes, I hate you” and “Yes, God rejects you as a person.” If she said, “No, it’s not a sin,” then the Christian conservative hears, “No, the Bible is not true or authoritative” and “No, I’m not a real Christian.”

    We, as Christians, need to find ways to answer the question that both affirms ours and God’s love for everyone asking while simultaneously affirming our beliefs in the central Christian tenets. That is hard to do in short, quick sound bite responses that media often demands it be done in.

  • John A.

    Fully agree with this article. Is it a sin? Of course. Do feel any need at all to tear her up for her response? No. I think she is great. I’d direct her to Nancy Pearcey as a mentor in how to uncompromisingly answer questions like this while still showing compassion for the people involved.

    • kenneth20754

      Good recommendation as to Nancy Pearcey.

  • Jim

    T. D. Jakes once cautioned against goimg to musicians for theology. Very often they get great training in writing, playing, singing and directing music, but only basic rudimentary theological training. This is unfortunate, but reality.

    • MaxVeritas

      RE: TD Jakes
      1 John 4:1 Dear friends, do not believe every
      spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because
      many false prophets have gone out into the world

      • Jim

        Are you filled with the Holy Spirit and knowledgable enough in the Bible to do that? Quoting scripture is easy. Applying it is difficult.

  • Sharon Ann Day

    I think she is trying to unite all people who are judged and condemned for their choices. She is doing the work of God whether people agree or not. Her music is a platform that brings a hurting and sad world some comfort.

    • Classic

      Speaking for The Lord Jesus Christ?Unity is from the World not the Lord he came to Divide.Get A concordance study new testament words Division and DIVIDE and Seperate.U will be closer to the Kingdom then ever.

  • NellieIrene

    I agree with Dr Brown. I could never condemn her for this. She is a young woman who has been one of the few christian artists to have cross over appeal. I applaud her for entering into the “lion’s den”, so to speak. Of course they are going to try and use her. Or destroy her if she isn’t useful in furthering the LGBT&Q agenda. I hope and believe she is trying to bring the love of Christ to a larger audience. She just needs more counsel on how to deal with those in the secular entertainment arena.

  • Patmos

    This singer sounds like a baby Christian at best, if even that. She can do whatever she wants, her life is her own, but God is not mocked you reap what you sow.

  • Jones Howell

    Weak Christians want to hijack Lauren Daigle’s platform. Don’t expect her to preach for you, because you certainly can’t sing for her.!

    • Classic

      She sings for SELF.

  • People need to steel themselves for the hatred of the world and all its devious traps. Don’t be so foolish as to think they won’t try to shoot you down, because they will.

    The article points out the multiple questions that are being asked in the guise of one. That’s a particular trap we need to be aware of.

    I also think that rebuking is not the tool to use at this point. Save that for U2 selling out the pro-life cause.

  • Lauren is a worshiper, to bring glory to God, not answer questions by the media, she doesn’t have to give perfect answers. Shes not perfect. If you can’t feel or sense the presence of God in her songs, then your spiritually dead.

    • Stephen S.

      “She doesnt have to give perfect answers”?? In this case..yes she does, because The Lord has already given us the answer! You say that” if you cant sense the presence of God in her songs, then you’re spiritually dead”. One might also say, if you sense much of God at all in her songs then maybe you were never spiritually alive to begin with. Praying for her but she has made it clear in her own words who her idols are. This isnt about blasting Lauren, its also about protecting other young people who look up to her.

      • J B

        I think Lauren’s response pointed more people to the Gospel than had she publicly condemned homosexuality. I think her answer was honest, and until any of us are in that position, we have no idea what we’d say, even if we are so assured of our righteousness. Further, a different answer may have shut many more doors for her to walk through and share the love of Christ, who loves homosexuals, too. I think evil set her up to try to take her down, and I think she won that match.

        • kenneth20754

          But is it a matter of being “assured of our righteousness” or being certain of the veracity of the revealed word of God? If God has clearly said something and others are insisting “no, God has NOT said,” there’s going to be a conflict.

        • Royce E. Van Blaricome

          That is what is commonly called “Stinkin’ Thinkin'” and just downright Biblical ignorance on full display. Prov. 14:12 at his best. Totally pathetic theology & soteriology.

          So you actually think denying Christ and deflecting from His Truth is winning the match. Well, that speaks volumes! Might wanna read Matt. 7 sometime. Especially Verses 21-23.

        • Stephen S.

          Wow..how does someone even respond to your answers. Im absolutely not trying to be harsh but your words point to a bigger problem within Christianity. You dont have a true understanding who God really is or His attributes and character. You say “laurens response pointed more people to the gospel”. No it didnt. She purposely evaded the truth because she’s more interested in her career. Avoiding the truth leads people away from the true gospel and leads them to a false gospel and a false Jesus. You say “we have no idea what we would say” in that position. Maybe you dont but those of us who aren’t ashamed of the gospel know exactly what we would say. We would speak the truth..because its truth that sets you free. You say” a different answer may have shut more doors for her to walk through and share the love of Christ”. Thats nothing more than scripted psycho babble coming from (once again) being afraid and ashamed of Gods word…not to mention..she doesnt share the love of Christ. She is embracing the world..something we are commanded not to do. Not being mean, but you need to decide if you are going to be responsible for sending people to Hell with your false Joel Osteen hyper grace message or will you be a daughter of The King and speak the truth (in love). Remember..God is a God of love, but He’s also a God of wrath. He’s a God of mercy, but also a God of justice. All of His attributes are perfect and holy. Blessings!

    • Royce E. Van Blaricome

      Do you actually enjoy being an abomination to God or are you just spiritually-dead yourself that you can’t see what a blasphemous statement that was?

  • Paintureboie74

    Condemnation is always the first response of self righteous Christians. They believe that God has given them some divine authority over all to condemn. I don’t know why homosexuality is always their “go to” when there are other sins equally bad. Instead of being on this path of destroying people by using the bible as a weapon, perhaps one day they will learn to share its words and wisdom for healing! Lauren is a true Christian because she has opened her heart instead of following the herd by condemning and spreading hatred…may the rest of them follow one day! True Christians bring people to God, not push them further away.

    • kenneth20754

      Why, do you think, Dominick Nati asked her a direct question regarding the sinfulness of homosexuality?

    • Raymond Monasmith

      Of the sins you consider “equally bad”, explain how many people who practice those sins are actively working to force society – especially Christians – to accept those sins as normal, acceptable, and in fact not sinful? That is one of the reasons homosexuality is a touchstone issue. If practicing pedophiles or adulterers (e.g.) make inroads into public schools, and begin indoctrinating young children (and the rest of society) to accept these sins as normal, acceptable and *not* sinful, those too will become hot button issues.

      • kenneth20754

        Bingo. Similarly, if gluttons were having pride parades and demanding not just acceptance but approval of their excessive indulgences in food and drink, conscientious Christians would object and try to point to a better way. The church is rightly criticized for its weak response to divorce and has, regrettably, acceded to the cultural drift away from a strong, biblical stance on the covenant nature of marriage, but at the same time no one was (seriously) celebrating divorce as a happy alternative lifestyle.

      • Royce E. Van Blaricome

        Sadly, they are making inroads into public schools, libraries, and elsewhere and beyond sadly they are indoctrinating young kids as early as Kindergarten.

        That said, I’d also point out that Homosexuality is not “equally bad” to all other sins. Not all sin is the same in God’s eyes. Yes, even the smallest little white-lie will keep one outta Heaven and send one to eternal torment in the Lake Of Fire but just as there will be varying rewards in Heaven there will be varying rewards (punishment) in the Lake Of Fire.

        • Raymond Monasmith

          1Sam15:23 – “For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry…”; which verse solidly condemns certain sins as being equally as bad as other certain sins, which further suggests that some sins are, in fact, worse than others, which refutes attempts to conflate jaywalking (e.g.) as being just as bad as murder (e.g.).
          Any sin which spawns its own distinct eisegetical “theology” has got to be a special case of…wrong.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            I think you’re stretching the meaning of that verse a bit but overall in summary I agree with you, as you can see from my above comment, that not all sin is the same. Personally, I’d piont to several other passages. Leviticus 18 being one. Some sins are given the Death Penalty while others a fine. Mark 3:28-29 is a classic example of another. And obviously Jesus isn’t calling for the stoning of every man in Matt. 5:28.

            Those are just 3 that come to mind now.

    • Patmos

      “I don’t know why homosexuality is always their “go to” when there are other sins equally bad.”

      How many thieves and adulterers do you see trying to have their sins tolerated like LGBT activists are pushing for? Have you been living in a cave for the past decade or what?

    • Royce E. Van Blaricome

      So says the man with the long rant condemning Christians! LOL Talk about a Giant Sequoia Tree sticking outta the eye socket!!

      One sure sign of a wolf in sheep’s clothing is watching them attack the sheep. There’s NO correction in that rant. Just attacks. And note the false gospel this guy gives. Note how & why Lauren is a true Christian according to him. Why she opened her heart! You know, that desperately wicked (Jer. 17:9), spiritually-dead, totally-depraved heart of stone. My oh my what power she must have! LOL

      Note the rest of his theology! Note his Biblical ignorance in his last sentence. Absolutely opposite of what God says in His Word. God says a Christian is like the stench of death to an Unbeliever. Now how enticing and attractive is that?

    • Vince

      You’re totally wrong. The “herd” is accepting homosexuality.

    • Classic

      I for one receive not your testimony of said spirit.

  • Michelle

    As a Christian, I have seen that fellow Christian’s condemn and judge the actions of other Christians as if they have authority to do so. Christ came to this world to preach the good news to all people, not religious people. He brought the Light into the darkest places. Let Lauren Daigle continue to bring the love of Christ through her music to those who are lost, without condemning her of spreading Christ’s love.

    • Gary Thompson

      Well Sandy Patti and Amy Grant both compromised thru divorce and they pretty much lost their voice. It’s very sad

      • Michelle

        Amy Grant took God to secular music and you sit here and judge her? You dont know what happened in her marriage to cause a divorce either. Stop judging when you have no right to judge!

        • Gary Thompson

          so i heard she was on the Jimmy Fallon show after Ellen and wore a very flimsy top. Compromise is compromise no matter how you put it. The Word of God is pure. Of coarse, most of the church is in compromise so it doesn’t surprise me. BTW, I was just using Amy Grant as an example. Of coarse, there’s divorce in the church and very common I might add. I actually happen to like Amy Grant a lot and she has stood up for what’s right, I know that.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            I haven’t actually followed Amy since her Biblically unauthorized divorce and committing adultery by remarrying Vince Gill. Do you know if she ever actually confessed and repented?

          • Michelle

            You really are terrible. How do you know any of that as fact about Amy Grant?? Stop judging!!!

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Thank you for the blessing. Now run on back to your daddy, Satan, and get another flaming arrow to fling. Tell him to do better this time because that one fell WAY short.

            Oh, and let Google be your friend. It’s not really that hard to find out Truth these days if you try.

            No, I won’t stop judging. Unlike you I’ll obey Christ instead of you! Stop telling people to disobey Jesus!

          • CLOWNSKILL

            He’s divorced.

          • Gary Thompson

            not sure. I did see her on Jay Sekelow show years ago (probably 20 or 30) and they were talking about sexual things and she told them if they didn’t change their conversation she was walking off the show. I also saw her on this special she did with Michael W Smith. What happens when someone compromises is they become irrelevant.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Ok, thanks. I was just wondering. I’m not taking the time to go find out. Hopefully she and Gil have come to confess (agree with God) and repented. Though some would say that would require they divorce and try to reconcile with their spouses. Others would say they just need to confess & ask God to forgive them. Another subject for another time. But it would be very disturbing if they’ve never even confessed.

            You’re right though about compromise. One who compromises will never find themselves being used much by God or very relevant to the Kingdom and His purposes.

          • Gary Thompson

            amen. The Word of God is our standard

          • Gary Thompson

            not Jay Sekelow, I meant Jay Leno (the old Johnny Carson show)

        • Royce E. Van Blaricome

          We don’t need to have omniscience and know what happened to “cause” Amy to divorce her husband. All we need is her own words. “Irreconcilable differences” is not Biblical grounds for divorce. And she remarried. Given your propensity to show your Biblical ignorance and totally ignore the COMMAND that Jesus gives His followers TO judge it is highly likely that you have no clue what Jesus said about Amy & Gill when they remarried.

    • Patmos

      So just let people live in sin, and ignore the fact that Jesus said to go forth and sin no more. Sorry, that’s not the good news of the gospel, not sure how you missed it so completely.

      Jesus and the Apostles preached repentance everywhere they went, as there can be no grace without repentance, and there can be no repentance without the recognition of sin. The good news of the gospel is that grace through repentance leads people to becoming what Paul called “a new creature in Christ” (2nd Corinthians 5:17), that is not only having your sins set apart from you, but also the very desire to sin at all.

      Ignoring this truth and leading people to hell like you’re doing is about the furthest thing from love there is. I have the authority to say this because I have God’s word. By contrast you clearly don’t, and are just speaking new age rubbish not rooted in scripture. You claim to be Christian, but show no evidence of it whatsoever.

      Of course the good news is you can repent, and lose the nonsensical idea that Christ’s love means anything goes.

      • Michelle

        Just as I said before, Christian’s are the first to throw stones at other Christian’s . How dare you try to define my relationship with Jesus Christ by condemning me. You sir are not sitting at the right hand of God so stop condemning me

        • Royce E. Van Blaricome

          Tsk tsk. Such a teachable spirit.

          • blockthiscnn

            Yes, anyone who doesn’t agree with you is unteachable. Control-freak.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Nice try, Poser. Now run on back to your daddy and get another little fiery dart to sling. Oh, and tell him to do better this time. That one didn’t even come close.

            For the record, and for anyone else who isn’t just a little son of disobedience doing Satan’s bidding, one can be very teachable and not agree with another on a host of Biblical things. I have many friends who are Brothers In Christ that we don’t see eye to eye on a number of things.

            That said, you know who you’re dealing with when all they have to resort to is things like this keyboard warrior who hides his identity too. Just go up and read thru his comments. He shows his heart very well.

          • blockthiscnn

            More cliches and copy and paste. You seem awfully confident in your own “obedience”. Given your comment history, this is a lie:

            “For the record, and for anyone else who isn’t just a little son of disobedience doing Satan’s bidding, one can be very teachable and not agree with another on a host of Biblical things. I have many friends who are Brothers In Christ that we don’t see eye to eye on a number of things.”

            So now you’re moving the goalposts after spending much time chastising the “disobedience” of others.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Your opinion is duly noted & summarily dismissed for, well, the source.

            It’s no lie and your inability to shed your delusional self-imposed god-complex doesn’t change that.

            Didn’t move anything. Nice try. I ain’t buying it and I doubt anyone else is either.

            “Like a dog that returns to its vomit so is a fool who repeats his folly. (Pro. 26:11)

      • Michelle

        I am not new age and am appalled at how you all have treated me this way. I dont have to sit here and prove my worthiness to you

      • blockthiscnn

        “So just let people live in sin”

        News flash, it’s not up to you make people not live in sin. People will make their own choices.

      • Royce E. Van Blaricome

        Ya know, one thing good that this article has done is to show the state of “Christianity” today. Could there be any greater visible evidence that basic fundamental theology, soteriology, and simple Biblical understanding is utterly and severely lacking?

        Just look at the comments like the latest below. “It’s not up t you to make people not live in sin.” Really makes you wonder what they think Jesus was all about! Oh yeah, I forgot, Fire insurance.

        Evidently “go and sin no more” and “be holy for I am holy” is missing from MANY bibles.

    • Royce E. Van Blaricome

      Not “as if”. Christians actually do and the authority has been given by Christ Himself.

      Oh, and btw, your claim as to what Christ came to this world to do is NOT what Christ Himself said.

      And Daigle did NOT bring the “love of Christ”. She actually denied it.

      So all that begs the question: Do you profess to be a Christian? If so, why? What must happen for one to become a Christian?

      • Michelle

        Jesus Chriat is my Lord and Savior and it is not my job to condemn lauren daigle nor you for your rude comments toward me

        • Royce E. Van Blaricome

          You didn’t answer my question. All those standing in the Matt. 7:21-23 line say the same thing. They even call Jesus “Lord” to His face. As for condemning Lauren, I never did. As for being rude, well, I can only imagine what you’d say to Jesus for saying the same.

          Let it be noted that you didn’t dispute a single thing I said with Scripture,. Rather just did what the stiff-necked disobedient and rebellious always do. Make it personal. And you call me rude! LOL

          • blockthiscnn

            I’ve met your type before. You are example numero uno of why people leave the Church. You love pointing out the sins of others. You lack introspection. You are very self-assured, and not afraid to point out how right you are *all* the time. You never met a situation where you couldn’t throw a scripture at it to prove how right *you* are. You aren’t familiar with the terms “humble” or “grace”. You operate out of fear, anger and malice. You thrive on the control rote knowledge of scripture gives you among those who are afraid to question you. If you are challenged in some way, you immediately throw up some verse that appears to support *your* opinion, so you come off looking “obedient”, as if what
            you are on the outside is what matters. You call those who disagree with *your* worldview “stiff-necked disobedient and rebellious” because it makes you feel powerful. You say things like “There is NO excuse for rejecting criticism when it is godly correction”, as if you’re the arbiter of what is Godly. Your ham-fistedness only works on the weak minded, and control-freaks like you are what drive people who use the brain God gave them from fellow-shipping with other Christians.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Thank you for that. I’ve met your type MANY times before too – the Biblically ignorant with an utter lack of any understanding of what God says about Himself and about Man.

            Here’s all the proof one needs to see how flawed your view of God & His Word and Man are:

            “You are example numero uno of why people leave the Church.”

            Uh, NO! The reason people leave the Church is EXACTLY because of what God said. They love themselves more than they love God. Now go ahead and deny that and tell us just how much they love God yet don’t wanna spend time with Him or His Body.

            As for every single word that you said which follows that falsehood, I’ll simply say thanks for showing climbing up on the self-appointed throne of your self-imposed god-complex and exercising your faux-omniscience to tell me all about who I am. Oh, and all while talking about humility!!

            Like I keep saying, just let ’em talk! There’s another fine example of what a Giant Sequoia Tree sticking outta an eye socket looks like AND what it looks like when has an impotent god that is so powerless he can’t overcome the words of a mere mortal man.

            THAT is what the false Man-Centered, Seeker-Sensitive, Easy-Believism false gospel and its converts look like.

          • blockthiscnn

            Recycling the same worn-out cliches. Copy and paste.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Not even close to being worn out. The Word of God and its truths will NEVER get worn out.

            Copy and paste is a time and effort saving blessing with the spiritually-dead Satan’s minions. You and your ilk never come up with anything original. It’s always the same ol’ regurgitated pablum. In which the following usually applies:

            “Even a fool, when he keeps silent, is considered wise; When he closes his lips, he is considered prudent.” (Prov. 17:28)

            “A fool does not delight in understanding, But only in revealing his own mind.” (Prov. 18:2)

          • blockthiscnn

            “Thank you for that. I’ve met your type MANY times before too – the Biblically ignorant with an utter lack of any understanding of what God says about Himself and about Man.”

            Please. I spent my life surrounded by the Bible, church, and speak fluent Christianese. I won awards at VBS and Bible memory events. I grew up hearing your type try to out-Christian each other. I listened to many a sermon where I was endlessly reminded what a sinner I was. I was taught nothing about grace and forgiveness, just how I was lucky/blessed/whatever that God wouldn’t smite me if I believed in Jesus. I was never taught that life is a journey. I was only taught you gotta keep the rules, or else. I was never taught how to deal with my humanity, or what it even means to be human. For some reason, despite all that, I never relished the power of being more righteous than others. Kinda the whole “do unto others” thing.

            “Here’s all the proof one needs to see how flawed your view of God & His Word and Man are:”

            What, no scripture to back you up? You’re backsliding.

            “You are example numero uno of why people leave the Church.”

            “Uh, NO! The reason people leave the Church is EXACTLY because of what God said. They love themselves more than they love God. Now go ahead and deny that and tell us just how much they love God yet don’t wanna spend time with Him or His Body.”

            Why would anyone want to spend an inordinate time with a righteousness expert like you to remind them how they’re doing it wrong? It’s like you’ve never spent any time around actual humans. How would you know what loving God means? You can’t even love your neighbor.

            “As for every single word that you said which follows that falsehood, I’ll simply say thanks for showing climbing up on the self-appointed throne of your self-imposed god-complex and exercising your faux-omniscience to tell me all about who I am. Oh, and all while talking about humility!!”

            Pot, meet kettle. I suspect you’ve had those words directed at you before. For the record, humility might include something like ” You know, I read the Bible and I believe God, but I understand you might not, or you might have different ideas about God. Can we talk about them?” Your self-righteous bull in the china shop approach only works on weak minded people. Good thing God has you around to remind people how awful they are.

            “Like I keep saying, just let ’em talk! There’s another fine example of what a Giant Sequoia Tree sticking outta an eye socket looks like AND what it looks like when has an impotent god that is so powerless he can’t overcome the words of a mere mortal man.”

            “Like I keep saying…”

            Yep, you like hearing yourself talk about how right you are. And what kind of Omniscient Omnipotent God needs an enforcer like you?

            “THAT is what the false Man-Centered, Seeker-Sensitive, Easy-Believism false gospel and its converts look like.”

            Is this Church Scrabble?

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            “Please. I spent my life surrounded by the Bible, church, and speak fluent Christianese….”

            Satan has you beat but you’re in good company I guess. You two will have all Eternity to talk about it.

            “Why would anyone want to spend an inordinate time with a righteousness expert like you to remind them how they’re doing it wrong?”

            Uh, because they have died to themselves, surrendered their lives as slaves to the Lord Jesus Christ as their new Master so that Self, Sin, & Satan no longer are. Because they hate their sin and desire to be more Christ-like. I get that’s a foreign concept to you but you asked & I answered.

            “It’s like you’ve never spent any time around actual humans.”

            Uh, no. Not like that at all.

            “How would you know what loving God means?”

            See above.

            “You can’t even love your neighbor.”

            You have NO clue what love is.

            “Your self-righteous bull in the china shop approach only works on weak minded people. ”

            Putting the narcissistic, self-imposed god-complex and faux-omniscience AGAIN to the side, I’ve never once pointed to ANY “self-righteousness”. That’s just another little flaming arrow your daddy, Satan, put in your quiver which, much like the “Holier than thou” – is the oh so often touted mantra against someone by those who wish to cling to their sin.

            “Good thing God has you around to remind people how awful they are.”

            God doesn’t need me for that. The Holy Spirit can handle that all by Himself. Would you like to meet Him? Would you like to surrender your life as a slave to the Lord Jesus Christ so you can serve Him instead of yourself the rest of your days? If so, I’d be happy to introduce you to Him.

          • blockthiscnn

            “”Please. I spent my life surrounded by the Bible, church, and speak fluent Christianese….”

            Satan has you beat but you’re in good company I guess. You two will have all Eternity to talk about it.”

            How interesting you left out the rest of my quote. It’s not surprising however, since it was about people like you. Your entire existence is dedicated to the power you can exert over others, so the best you could do was weakly dismiss it as “Satan something something”. You are certainly consistent even when you aren’t copying and pasting.

            “”Why would anyone want to spend an inordinate time with a righteousness expert like you to remind them how they’re doing it wrong?”

            Uh, because they have died to themselves, surrendered their lives as slaves to the Lord Jesus Christ as their new Master so that Self, Sin, & Satan no longer are. Because they hate their sin and desire to be more Christ-like. I get that’s a foreign concept to you but you asked & I answered.”

            The good news here is that I’m not trying to convince you of anything. That was a rhetorical question. My interest is to expose you and your mind games, that others may recognize your toxic behavior and remove people like you from their lives. You clearly have control issues, so nothing you ever say will be wrong to you. You can’t question yourself, because you’re afraid you won’t like what you’ll see. You’ve brought up “unteachable” to attack others, and yet it seeps from your own pores. Of course, you wear any criticism as a badge of honor, no doubt thanking God every night for the “arrows of the devil” because then daddy, I mean God, will certainly see how good you are and give a gold star on your chart.

            “”It’s like you’ve never spent any time around actual humans.”

            Uh, no. Not like that at all.”

            Yes, like that. You can’t converse on a normal human level. You can’t just let others have their opinions sometimes. You must interject how wrong someone is all the time. Prove me wrong.

            “How would you know what loving God means?”

            See above.”

            You mean like where you cackled because you believed someone was going to hell? What kind of psychopath rejoices that someone is damned to eternal suffering? Even God didn’t, He provided a way out. Again, rhetorical questions.

            “You can’t even love your neighbor.”

            You have NO clue what love is.”

            Beating people for Jesus isn’t love. You love pointing out sin, not getting to know people for who they are and genuinely caring about them. You’re not capable of doing so, at least not with some professional intervention. Most people will respond to your hamfisted zealotry by shutting down to any notion of God. The only ones who respond to your overbearing vindictiveness are those who are weak-minded or have normalized abuse in their own lives.

            “”Your self-righteous bull in the china shop approach only works on weak minded people. ”

            Putting the narcissistic, self-imposed god-complex and faux-omniscience AGAIN to the side, I’ve never once pointed to ANY “self-righteousness”.”

            Hahahahahahahahahaha

            *You* always say, let ’em talk. Why? Because it proves you “right”.

            “That’s just another little flaming arrow your daddy, Satan, put in your quiver which, much like the “Holier than thou” – is the oh so often touted mantra against someone by those who wish to cling to their sin.”

            Who said anything about clinging to sin? That’s your imagination. I’ve just pointed out that you’re condescending and arrogant. Which ironically are sins. How dare you disregard loving correction.

            “”Good thing God has you around to remind people how awful they are.”

            God doesn’t need me for that.”

            Ok. It’s good horsemanship to feed, water and brush your high-horse before putting him away for the night.

            “The Holy Spirit can handle that all by Himself.”

            So you’re just here to hear yourself talk.

            “Would you like to meet Him?”

            If he’s a narcissist like you? No. Good for His creation that He’s not.

            “Would you like to surrender your life as a slave to the Lord Jesus Christ so you can serve Him instead of yourself the rest of your days? If so, I’d be happy to introduce you to Him.”

            Folks, you’ll notice that as he’s running out of original ideas, he pivots to his caustic brand of evangilism. He just spent a bunch of time browbeating other people for making human decisions, and then has the chutzpah to try to proselytize me, not because he cares about me personally, mind you, but because he cares about the brownie points.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            “My interest is to expose you and your mind games, that others may recognize your toxic behavior and remove people like you from their lives.”

            And there ya have it, folks! Outta his own mouth. In other words, to do Satan’s bidding. Just like God said in Eph. 2:1-3.

            You clearly have control issues, so nothing you ever say will be wrong to you. You can’t question yourself, because you’re afraid you won’t like what you’ll see. You’ve brought up “unteachable” to attack others, and yet it seeps from your own pores. Of course, you wear any criticism as a badge of honor, no doubt thanking God every night for the “arrows of the devil” because then daddy, I mean God, will certainly see how good you are and give a gold star on your chart.:”

            There’s the narcissistic self-imposed god-complex AGAIN!

            “You love pointing out sin, not getting to know people for who they are and genuinely caring about them. You’re not capable of doing so, at least not with some professional intervention. Most people will respond to your hamfisted zealotry by shutting down to any notion of God. The only ones who respond to your overbearing vindictiveness are those who are weak-minded or have normalized abuse in their own lives.”

            LOL. So says that man who just spent an entire full screen on ranting against me! LOL Oh, and note the god-complex AGAIN. LOL

            “Would you like to surrender your life as a slave to the Lord Jesus Christ so you can serve Him instead of yourself the rest of your days? If so, I’d be happy to introduce you to Him.”

            I’ll take the rest of your rambling as a no. Now you and Clown ad Billy boy can run on along. You’ll gain no ground here.

          • blockthiscnn

            “And there ya have it, folks! Outta his own mouth. In other words, to do Satan’s bidding. Just like God said in Eph. 2:1-3.”

            See? SEE?!! God says I’m right!!
            Anyone who disagrees must be doing Satan’s bidding.

            In other news, who wants to join a pool for what cliche Royce is going to respond with?

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            They speak falsehood to one another; With flattering lips and with a double heart they speak. (Psa. 12:2)

            But all who are wicked will keep on strutting, while everyone praises their shameless deeds. (Psa 12:8).

          • blockthiscnn

            Ok, who put money on “Royce responds with generic verses that only support his point of view”?

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Even a fool who keeps silent is considered wise; when he closes his lips, he is deemed intelligent. (Pro 17:28)

            A fool does not delight in understanding, But only in revealing his own mind. (Prov. 18:2)

            A fool’s mouth is his ruin, and his lips are a snare to his soul. (Prov. 18:7)

            Everyone who is arrogant in heart is an abomination to the Lord;
            be assured, he will not go unpunished. (Proverbs 16:5)

            Like a dog that returns to its vomit is a fool who repeats his folly. (Prov. 26:11)

          • blockthiscnn

            You already did the dog vomit. At least twice with me. Kinda establishing a pattern here…of RETURNING TO FOLLY LOL….

            Oh. I’m sorry. That was intended to be “loving correction” on your part. Forgive me for not realizing that you’re better than me. No, God, ok, it’s ok, he needs that gold star.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            I know. And since you have such an appetite for it I fed it to you again.

          • blockthiscnn

            Most folks who’ve spend two minutes on the internet learn that you don’t feed trolls. That means one of two things; I’m not a troll, or you’re really ignorant of what they do. Think carefully about your response.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Uh, no. Your self-imposed god-complex has failed you miserably AGAIN. There’s at least a third thing and you’re proving it.

          • blockthiscnn

            I had a hunch you wouldn’t be able to help yourself. So you admit that I’m either not a troll, or you don’t really know what trolls are and why they do what they do. Were you lying or are you just ignorant?

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            There’s another public display that he hasn’t gotten even to a Kindergartner’s level of Reading Comprehension. LOL Can’t understand simple English – “There’s at least a third thing”. Smh

            Even a fool who keeps silent is considered wise; when he closes his lips, he is deemed intelligent. (Pro 17:28)

            A fool does not delight in understanding, But only in revealing his own mind. (Prov. 18:2)

            “Wise men speak because they have something to say, fools speak because they have to say something” – Plato

          • blockthiscnn

            There is no “third thing” to cram in here. What is this, the Monty Python Argument Clinic sketch? What’s your excuse this time?You were arguing in your spare time? Maybe you were looking for the Abuse room?

            You made the claim I was “trolling”, a weak effort to defeat my initial point that your arrogance runs people off, pasted some random quote about what trolling supposedly is because without it your charge is dust, and then have continued to argue with me ever since, despite leveling a trolling charge at me and presenting yourself as an authority (gee, like it’s a habit or something) on such. Either you’re ignorant of what trolls do for a living despite your professed knowledge, or you do know, and your “troll” accusation is just a red herring because you keep arguing with someone you believe to be one anyway, in spite of the best advice given from a simple Google search of “Don’t feed the Troll”. Seems to me like the trolling is coming from the other keyboard, which is fine with me, because the more you respond to me is the less you pollute everything else.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            “There is no “third thing” to cram in here.”

            Wrong.

            “What is this, the Monty Python Argument Clinic sketch? What’s your excuse this time? You were arguing in your spare time? Maybe you were looking for the Abuse room?”

            ^^^^^^ GIANT SEQUOIA TREE ^^^^^^^

            “You made the claim I was “trolling”

            Not only made the claim but backed it up with TWO supporting references that defined you

            ” weak effort to defeat my initial point ”

            Your opinion is duly noted and summarily dismissed for, well, the source and it’s just that. But hey, thanks for the blessing AGAIN.

            Either you’re ignorant of what trolls do for a living”

            There it is AGAIN. He really can’t help himself. Smh. As if he knows what everyone who trolls does for a living and is SO blind he can’t see his every comment meets the very definition.

            Now lean in real close and listen. Hear that? Listen close, with your self-imposed god-complex. Maybe you’ll hear it. It’s the sound of the dust being shaken from my feet.

            “Whoever does not receive you, nor heed your words, as you go out of that house or that city, shake the dust off your feet. Truly I say to you, it will be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgment than for that city.” (Matt. 10:14-15)

            Keep it up, refuse to confess & repent, surrender your life as a slave to the Lord Jesus Christ as your new Master so that Self, Sin, & Satan no longer are and you’ll have all Eternity with the sodomites in eternal torment to think about your foolishness and wickedness.

            Perhaps you, Clown, & Billy boy can all have a good long chat about what fools you are and how you were SO rebellious and deluded. Buh Bye!

          • blockthiscnn

            “Wrong.”

            Ya got nuttin

            “^^^^^^ GIANT SEQUOIA TREE ^^^^^^^”

            GIANT CLICHE

            “Not only made the claim but backed it up with TWO supporting references that defined you”

            And here you still are. Such a brave troll fighter. Of course, the “troll” had to give you a hint that you shouldn’t feed them. Still a greenhorn.

            “Your opinion is duly noted and summarily dismissed for, well, the source and it’s just that. But hey, thanks for the blessing AGAIN.”

            Whatev. It’s not here for you. You do respond an awful lot to someone whose opinions don’t matter to you, but what do I know. BTW, how many people have you not been talking to while hovering around here? Better get back to beatin people for Jesus.

            “There it is AGAIN. He really can’t help himself. Smh. As if he knows what everyone who trolls does for a living and is SO blind he can’t see his every comment meets the very definition.”

            “As if he knows what everyone who trolls does for a living…”

            My dense child, I’m talking about a troll’s purpose for trolling, not their day to day employment. I figured a savy internet figure of authority such as yourself would have picked up on this, but, I was wrong. Again, more proof that communication with normal folks presents difficulties for you. I’m beginning to pity you.

            “Now lean in real close and listen. Hear that?”

            *fart noise*

            Sorry, Mexican for lunch. Popcorn gives me the bubble guts too.

            “Keep it up, refuse to confess & repent”

            Of what, to whom? To you? Please don’t, my sides are already aching. A dangerous combination with bubble guts.

            “Perhaps you, Clown, & Billy boy can all have a good long chat about what fools you are and how you were SO rebellious and deluded. Buh Bye!”

            I hate long goodbyes. It makes it so sad.

          • blockthiscnn

            “There’s the narcissistic self-imposed god-complex AGAIN!”

            A trademark of Narcissistic Personality is the inability to empathize with the feelings of others. Hmm…

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            A trademark of the narcissistic psychotic troll is to do everything you’ve been doing AND to actually think you can know what ONLY God can know. Which is EXACTLY what you’ve been doing.

            In Internet slang, a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory,[1] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[2] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion,[3] often for their own amusement.

            From Psychology Today: “Internet Trolls Are Narcissists, Psychopaths, and Sadists. An Internet troll is someone who comes into a discussion and posts comments designed to upset or disrupt the conversation. Often, in fact, it seems like there is no real purpose behind their comments except to upset everyone else involved. Trolls will lie, exaggerate, and offend to get a response.”

          • blockthiscnn

            Repetative copy and paste doesn’t make an argument valid. Nor does constantly trying to throw red herrings defeat an argument. Tu Quoque.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            “You will certainly carry out God’s purpose, however you act, but it makes a difference to you whether you serve like Judas or like John.” – C.S. Lewis

            “Wise men speak because they have something to say, fools speak because they have to say something” – Plato

            “Behold, they belch forth with their mouth; Swords are in their lips, For, they say, “Who hears?” But You, O LORD, laugh at them;” (Psa. 59:7-8) – God.

          • blockthiscnn

            ““You will certainly carry out God’s purpose, however you act, but it makes a difference to you whether you serve like Judas or like John.” – C.S. Lewis”

            Again, quoted to place *you* in the right, as if you’re the arbiter. You have a demonstrated habit of quoting the Bible in a haphazard way that conveniently backs you up, so it’s no surprise you would do the same with other quotes.

            “Wise men speak because they have something to say, fools speak because they have to say something” – Plato

            For a second there I thought I actually was wrong about your inability to self-criticize.

            “Behold, they belch forth with their mouth; Swords are in their lips, For, they say, “Who hears?” But You, O LORD, laugh at them;” (Psa. 59:7-8) – God.”

            Again with the “God says I’m right” routine. Perhaps you need to refine your act.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            You’re opinion is duly noted and, once AGAIN, summarily dismissed for what it is and who it came from.

            The wise of heart will receive commands, But a babbling fool will be ruined. (Prov. 10:8)

            Doing wickedness is like sport to a fool, And so is wisdom to a man of understanding. (Prov. 10:23)

            The way of a fool is right in his own eyes, But a wise man is he who listens to counsel. (Prov. 12:15)

          • blockthiscnn

            “You’re opinion is duly noted and, once AGAIN, summarily dismissed for what it is and who it came from.”

            Ad Hominem. If Satan himself said rain usually comes from clouds, you would disregard that because of the source?

            “The wise of heart will receive commands, But a babbling fool will be ruined. (Prov. 10:8)”

            As if you’re one to be giving commands. Buzz off. I tend not to ascribe moral authority to overbearing loudmouths. Your rote regurgitation of scripture is hollow. You’re all hat and no cattle.

            “Doing wickedness is like sport to a fool, And so is wisdom to a man of understanding. (Prov. 10:23)”

            And you’re the man of “understanding”? Lol

            “The way of a fool is right in his own eyes, But a wise man is he who listens to counsel. (Prov. 12:15)”

            Yeah, not gonna listen to the “counsel” of someone with such an inflated view of themselves. Swing and a miss.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Call it what you like. False equivalence. If Satan were to say the same thing to me that you did I’d tell him the same. I realize that a spiritually-dead, totally-depraved, son of disobedience and child of wrath like you who does the bidding of Satan doesn’t understand that context matters. You just can’t help it. Comes with who you are.

            Nothing in that verse I quoted say anything about me. I don’t give the commands. I just them on as an Ambassador of the Lord Jesus Christ. Now you can buzz off. You came to my thread. The door is open. Leave anytime! Yes, yes, we can all see you tend not to subscribe to moral authority that you consider “overbearing”. Too bad for you but you will subscribe to it one day. The very day that God decides to stop using you as a Judas and you take your place in Hades while you await the Lake Of Fire.

            Hollow? LOL NOT!! Here’s a reminder:

            “so shall my word be that goes out from my mouth;
            it shall not return to me empty,
            but it shall accomplish that which I purpose,
            and shall succeed in the thing for which I sent it.” (Isa. 55:11)

            Swing and a miss for you. Your loss. Oh well, it’s your Eternity. Mine is settled.

          • blockthiscnn

            “Call it what you like. False equivalence.”

            Great non-rebuttal. You do like to talk though, so points for consistence.

            ” If Satan were to say the same thing to me that you did I’d tell him the same. I realize that a spiritually-dead, totally-depraved, son of disobedience and child of wrath like you who does the bidding of Satan doesn’t understand that context matters.”

            Mish-mash of the same tripe; if the idea is to learn from the wise, clearly you’re a waste of time. You run around all day calling yourself wise because you can regurgitate scripture, but your actions speak a lot louder than the words. Seen it before, and the resulting debris. I sense a goal-post move coming up – “context matters”, that is, time to create the distraction from the point that you’re a bull in a china shop. “Bidding of Satan”, as if pointing out your arrogance was the bidding of Satan. That’s just loony.

            “You just can’t help it. Comes with who you are.”

            Echoing points I made as a rebuttal is, well, non. Carrying on as you are only proves my initial point: you’re full of yourself, have no introspection, bully others as “evangelism”, cry martyr when challenged on your methods, fling scripture only when it suits you, etc.

            “Nothing in that verse I quoted say anything about me.”

            Don’t gaslight me; it isn’t the words in the verse that are the problem, it’s *your* expectation that they carry weight coming from you. You “give” with the expectation of being listened to, as if you’ve some authority or something, so yes, it is about you. Even the steaming pile I left in the toilet this morning has way more authority over my life than you do. It actually had a purpose, fulfilled it, and had the courtesy to continue on it’s way. You don’t know your audience. You’re used to dealing with people who fold easily under your Scriptural Bat; you don’t fling scripture with the goal of redemption, you do so with the purpose of power. Your lack of tact, humility and grace is plenty evidence of that. You don’t know how to talk to people, just how to yell at them. In case you haven’t noticed, that frequently leads to rejection of your message by them, no matter your noble, Eternity-saving intentions.

            “I don’t give the commands. I just them on as an Ambassador of the Lord Jesus Christ.”

            Ambassadors don’t pass on commands to their host countries; they try to form actual relationships before trying to influence anyone. You’re not an Ambassador or even a representative, you’re a self-appointed enforcer.

            “Now you can buzz off. You came to my thread. The door is open. Leave anytime!”

            “Your thread” lol. It’s a publicly accessible forum. But it’s not about you, is it… Aren’t you supposed to shake the dust off your feet if your message is rejected? Why are you so intent on disobeying Christ? Sounds like a stiff-necked son of disobedience to me. How dare you reject my loving counsel. You must be a fool because you won’t listen to how wise I am. The Bible says so.

            “Yes, yes, we can all see you tend not to subscribe to moral authority that you consider “overbearing”. Too bad for you but you will subscribe to it one day. The very day that God decides to stop using you as a Judas and you take your place in Hades while you await the Lake Of Fire.”

            Again, your people skills are 0. Your arrogance completely drowns out any good your “message” would have done. As if you know God’s purposes for me lol. I’m not interested in what He’s doing with you, because I believe He’s a big boy and doesn’t need me to step in to make sure it’s all going ok every 15 seconds. Again, you fear being out of control.

            “Hollow? LOL NOT!! Here’s a reminder:

            “so shall my word be that goes out from my mouth;
            it shall not return to me empty,
            but it shall accomplish that which I purpose,
            and shall succeed in the thing for which I sent it.” (Isa. 55:11)”

            Swing and a miss for you. Your loss. Oh well, it’s your Eternity. Mine is settled.”

            Not even a “how sad”? You know what makes me sad? The number of souls you’ve driven away.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            The rebuttal was just fine thank you very much.

            “Mish-mash of the same tripe; if the idea is to learn from the wise, clearly you’re a waste of time.”

            So says the spiritually-dead/blind man.

            “You run around all day calling yourself wise because you can regurgitate scripture”

            Your faux-omniscience exercised from your narcissistic, psychotic self-imposed god complex has failed you miserably again.

            “Echoing points I made as a rebuttal is, well, non. Carrying on as you are only proves my initial point: you’re full of yourself, have no introspection, bully others”

            There’s that Giant Sequoia Tree sticking outta your eye socket AGAIN.

            “Don’t gaslight me”

            Whining now? Or just showing the Giant Sequoia Tree in your other eye socket?

            “it isn’t the words in the verse that are the problem, it’s *your* expectation that they carry weight coming from you.”

            Correct. I expect God will uphold His Word EXACTLY as He says He Will. Isa. 55:11. You obviously saw it since you cited my reference in your reply. Which means you ignored it too. Wahl, surprise surprise surprise!

            You “give” with the expectation of being listened to”

            Faux-omniscience failed you AGAIN. Twice now in one post. Thus far.

            “as if you’ve some authority or something”

            As an Ambassador of the Lord Jesus Christ, God’s child, prophet & priest, I do and they do.

            “so yes, it is about you.”

            Well duh! Like you haven’t already made that abundantly clear already.

            ” Even the steaming pile I left in the toilet this morning has way more authority over my life than you do. It actually had a purpose, fulfilled it, and had the courtesy to continue on it’s way.”

            Thanks for showing your heart for all to see. Matt. 15:18

            “You don’t know your audience. You’re used to dealing with people who fold easily under your Scriptural Bat; you don’t fling scripture with the goal of redemption, you do so with the purpose of power. Your lack of tact, humility and grace is plenty evidence of that. You don’t know how to talk to people, just how to yell at them. In case you haven’t noticed, that frequently leads to rejection of your message by them, no matter your noble, Eternity-saving intentions.”

            AGAIN with the faux-omniscience. Does this guy ever come down from his self-built throne?! LOL Btw bub, contrary to your faux-omniscience from your self-imposed god-complex YOU don’t know my audience either!!!!! Oh, and aren’t you just so full of grace! LOLOLOLOLOL Whatta HYPOCRITE!! Oh yeah, you really know how to talk to people! LOLOLOLOLOL

            “Ambassadors don’t pass on commands to their host countries; they try to form actual relationships before trying to influence anyone. You’re not an Ambassador or even a representative, you’re a self-appointed enforcer.”

            Wrong again. In fact, that’s just dumb. Do you not have a TV?

            “”Your thread” lol. It’s a publicly accessible forum.”

            Yes, my thread. Being publicly accessible doesn’t change that fact. Maybe you could scroll up and see who started this thread and that would help. I’m not holding my breath though. You’ve been blind to everything else thus far.

            “But it’s not about you, is it”

            Nope. Never has been. Won’t find anything in my thread that says so.

            “Aren’t you supposed to shake the dust off your feet if your message is rejected?”

            Well now, isn’t that ironic. That’s exactly the verse that the Lord brought to my mind 2 days ago after I posted my last. I was saving this just for you in case you decided to come back and rant some more.

            “Again, your people skills are 0. Your arrogance completely drowns out any good your “message” would have done.”

            Oh ye of little faith. And right before you cite Isa. 55:11!! LOLOLOLOL

            “As if you know God’s purposes for me lol.”

            No, I don’t know God’s purposes for you. But I do know this:

            “A little while, and the wicked will be no more; though you look for them, they will not be found. ” (Psalm 37:10)

            The wicked plots against the righteous and gnashes his teeth at him, but the Lord laughs at the wicked, for he sees that his day is coming. (Psa 37:12-13)

            Doing wickedness is like sport to a fool, And so is wisdom to a man of understanding. (Prov. 10:23)

            The LORD has made everything for its purpose, even the wicked for the day of trouble. (Pro 16:4)

            “You will certainly carry out God’s purpose, however you act, but it makes a difference to you whether you serve like Judas or like John.” – C.S. Lewis

            “I’m not interested in what He’s doing with you, because I believe He’s a big boy and doesn’t need me to step in to make sure it’s all going ok every 15 seconds.”

            Why would you be? You’re too busy being interested yourself in doing to me what you want. Of course that does just go to show your theology AGAIN. LOL

            “Again, you fear being out of control.”

            AGAIN with the faux-omniscience and psychotic self-imposed god-complex.

            “You know what makes me sad? The number of souls you’ve driven away.”

            Thanks for putting your pathetic soteriology & theology on full display as well as what a sad, impotent, feckless little god you serve. The REAL One True God Almighty isn’t limited by my words or the power of any mere mortal man. God knows that and I know that ya can’t push a spiritually-dead man away. He’s already dead. Oh, and btw, whereas you like to give the spiritually-dead an excuse for rejecting Christ, God says there is NO excuse. You’d do best to rid yourself of that idol and surrender your life as a slave to the Lord Jesus Christ as your new Master so that Self, Sin, & Satan no longer are.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            The rebuttal was just fine thank you very much.

            “Mish-mash of the same tripe; if the idea is to learn from the wise, clearly you’re a waste of time.”

            So says the spiritually-dead/blind man.

            “You run around all day calling yourself wise because you can regurgitate scripture”

            Your faux-omniscience exercised from your narcissistic, psychotic self-imposed god complex has failed you miserably again.

            “Echoing points I made as a rebuttal is, well, non. Carrying on as you are only proves my initial point: you’re full of yourself, have no introspection, bully others”

            There’s that Giant Sequoia Tree sticking outta your eye socket AGAIN.

            “Don’t gaslight me”

            Whining now? Or just showing the Giant Sequoia Tree in your other eye socket?

            “it isn’t the words in the verse that are the problem, it’s *your* expectation that they carry weight coming from you.”

            Correct. I expect God will uphold His Word EXACTLY as He says He Will. Isa. 55:11. You obviously saw it since you cited my reference in your reply. Which means you ignored it too. Wahl, surprise surprise surprise!

            You “give” with the expectation of being listened to”

            Faux-omniscience failed you AGAIN. Twice now in one post. Thus far.

            “as if you’ve some authority or something”

            As an Ambassador of the Lord Jesus Christ, God’s child, prophet & priest, I do and they do.

            “so yes, it is about you.”

            Well duh! Like you haven’t already made that abundantly clear already.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            ” Even the steaming pile I left in the toilet this morning has way more authority over my life than you do. It actually had a purpose, fulfilled it, and had the courtesy to continue on it’s way.”

            Thanks for showing your heart for all to see. Matt. 15:18

            “You don’t know your audience. You’re used to dealing with people who fold easily under your Scriptural Bat; you don’t fling scripture with the goal of redemption, you do so with the purpose of power. Your lack of tact, humility and grace is plenty evidence of that. You don’t know how to talk to people, just how to yell at them. In case you haven’t noticed, that frequently leads to rejection of your message by them, no matter your noble, Eternity-saving intentions.”

            AGAIN with the faux-omniscience. Does this guy ever come down from his self-built throne?! LOL Btw bub, contrary to your faux-omniscience from your self-imposed god-complex YOU don’t know my audience either!!!!! Oh, and aren’t you just so full of grace! LOLOLOLOLOL Whatta HYPOCRITE!! Oh yeah, you really know how to talk to people! LOLOLOLOLOL

            “Ambassadors don’t pass on commands to their host countries; they try to form actual relationships before trying to influence anyone. You’re not an Ambassador or even a representative, you’re a self-appointed enforcer.”

            Wrong again. In fact, that’s just dumb. Do you not have a TV?

            “”Your thread” lol. It’s a publicly accessible forum.”

            Yes, my thread. Being publicly accessible doesn’t change that fact. Maybe you could scroll up and see who started this thread and that would help. I’m not holding my breath though. You’ve been blind to everything else thus far.

            “But it’s not about you, is it”

            Nope. Never has been. Won’t find anything in my thread that says so.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            “Aren’t you supposed to shake the dust off your feet if your message is rejected?”

            Well now, isn’t that ironic. That’s exactly the verse that the Lord brought to my mind 2 days ago after I posted my last. I was saving this just for you in case you decided to come back and rant some more.

            “Again, your people skills are 0. Your arrogance completely drowns out any good your “message” would have done.”

            Oh ye of little faith. And right before you cite Isa. 55:11!! LOLOLOLOL

            “As if you know God’s purposes for me lol.”

            No, I don’t know God’s purposes for you. But I do know this:

            “A little while, and the wicked will be no more; though you look for them, they will not be found. ” (Psalm 37:10)

            The wicked plots against the righteous and gnashes his teeth at him, but the Lord laughs at the wicked, for he sees that his day is coming. (Psa 37:12-13)

            Doing wickedness is like sport to a fool, And so is wisdom to a man of understanding. (Prov. 10:23)

            The LORD has made everything for its purpose, even the wicked for the day of trouble. (Pro 16:4)

            “You will certainly carry out God’s purpose, however you act, but it makes a difference to you whether you serve like Judas or like John.” – C.S. Lewis

            “I’m not interested in what He’s doing with you, because I believe He’s a big boy and doesn’t need me to step in to make sure it’s all going ok every 15 seconds.”

            Why would you be? You’re too busy being interested yourself in doing to me what you want. Of course that does just go to show your theology AGAIN. LOL

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            “Again, you fear being out of control.”

            AGAIN with the faux-omniscience and psychotic self-imposed god-complex.

            “You know what makes me sad? The number of souls you’ve driven away.”

            Thanks for putting your pathetic soteriology & theology on full display as well as what a sad, impotent, feckless little god you serve. The REAL One True God Almighty isn’t limited by my words or the power of any mere mortal man. God knows that and I know that ya can’t push a spiritually-dead man away. He’s already dead. Oh, and btw, whereas you like to give the spiritually-dead an excuse for rejecting Christ, God says there is NO excuse. You’d do best to rid yourself of that idol and surrender your life as a slave to the Lord Jesus Christ as your new Master so that Self, Sin, & Satan no longer are.

          • blockthiscnn

            “The rebuttal was just fine thank you very much.”

            That wasn’t a rebuttal, it was mere nay-saying. This is starting to feel more and more like the Argument sketch. I’m such a Monty Python nerd. Tell me you’re not allowed to argue unless I’ve paid.

            “So says the spiritually-dead/blind man.”

            So says the power-hungry self appointed God-messenger-enforcer.

            “Your faux-omniscience exercised from your narcissistic, psychotic self-imposed god complex has failed you miserably again.”

            Mmmm, word salad.

            “There’s that Giant Sequoia Tree sticking outta your eye socket AGAIN.”

            Flag on the play, overuse/misuse of metaphor, 10 yard penalty, 3rd down.

            “Whining now? Or just showing the Giant Sequoia Tree in your other eye socket?”

            Things a gaslighter says for 400, Alex.

            “Correct. I expect God will uphold His Word EXACTLY as He says He Will. Isa. 55:11. You obviously saw it since you cited my reference in your reply. Which means you ignored it too. Wahl, surprise surprise surprise!”

            Meh, Satan can throw scripture around too.

            “Faux-omniscience failed you AGAIN. Twice now in one post. Thus far.”

            YOUR OVERUSE OF CAPS IS BECOMING LESS AND LESS EFFECTIVE. PERHAPS MAKING A POINT BEYOND YOUR STANDARD COPY AND PASTE WOULD BE AN IMPROVEMENT.

            “As an Ambassador of the Lord Jesus Christ, God’s child, prophet & priest, I do and they do.”

            Delusions of grandeur. “The Black Knight NEVER looses!!”

          • blockthiscnn

            “”Yes, yes, we can all see you tend not to subscribe to moral authority that you consider “overbearing”. ”

            The quote is “ascribe” moral authority to someone, not “subscribe”. Why are you bearing false witness to what I said? Is that not a sign you’re from the Father of Lies himself? Rhetorical questions again.

          • blockthiscnn

            More proof how full of yourself you are. Again, you weasel words around to paint yourself as a moral authority worthy of respect and a listening ear, the very action of which disqualifies you as one.

          • blockthiscnn

            “LOL. So says that man who just spent an entire full screen on ranting against me! LOL Oh, and note the god-complex AGAIN. LOL”

            It’s called not being an overbearing a-hole for Jesus.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            “But the things that proceed out of the mouth come from the heart, and those defile the man.” (Matt. 15:18)

            And he said, “What comes out of a person is what defiles him. For from within, out of the heart of man, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, coveting, wickedness, deceit, sensuality, envy, slander, pride, foolishness. All these evil things come from within, and they defile a person.” (Mar 7:20-23)

            “The good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth what is good; and the evil man out of the evil treasure brings forth what is evil; for his mouth speaks from that which fills his heart.” (Luke 6:45)

          • blockthiscnn

            “I’ll take the rest of your rambling as a no.”

            Because it’s true; you’ve no rebuttal to the point made about your “witness”, so you slink off.That’s ok, because people will still see your backhanded, patronizing salvation spiel for what it really is; poison. Again, this is what control freaks do.

            “You and Clown ad Billy boy can run on along. You’ll gain no ground here.”

            I’m not interested in your ground; it’s toxic. I am interested in letting others know what your type does to the weak-minded.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Like a dog that returns to its vomit is a fool who repeats his folly. (Prov. 26:11)

            Do you see a man wise in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him. (Prov. 26:12)

        • Lisa

          Sadly, I had to block Royce because he was monopolizing the conversation. Then I noticed how very much he was posting, which makes me wonder if he isn’t a troll in sheep’s clothing.

          • Michelle

            Thank you!

          • Michelle

            I had to block him also

  • Danny T Ace Avants

    Have any of you self-righteous quick-condemners ever gave it a second thought that Lauren may have been taking the same approach as Jesus did with the Pharisees when they all were so quick to condemn Mary Magdalene?… Let he or she who goes without sin cast the first stone…

    • Gary Thompson

      so you’re saying it’s right for her to compromise the scripture? The end does never justify the means.

    • porcupineman1454

      No, no one has considered that, because that’s simply not true. A VERY false equivalency.

    • kenneth20754

      There’s no textual basis for asserting that the woman taken in adultery as described in John 8 was Mary Magdalene.

      • Danny T Ace Avants

        Now you’re just being riduculous & wanting to argue to which I have much better use of my time… Go play with somebody else because I don’t play…

    • Patmos

      Is anyone casting stones? No! That’s ridiculous. Christ told the adulterer to go forth and sin no more. Jesus fully recognized her sin.

      • Danny T Ace Avants

        But what do you think Jesus scribbled on the ground that made all of the accusers walk away & say no more?… And don’t evade the issue here… I know full well that Jesus recognized her sin & I know what He told her… But we’re not talking about what Jesus recognized… We’re talking about those of you who are always so quick to judge others faults while overlooking your own sinful ways… And judging someone instead of wanting to merely pray for them is a sin… And sin is sin in God’s Eyes…

        • Royce E. Van Blaricome

          A wise man once said it is better to not show your ignorance by keeping your mouth shut than open it and remove all doubt. You sir, just showed your Biblical ignorance AGAIN.

          NOBODY but Jesus and those there know what Jesus scribbled on the ground. And for good reason.

          “We’re talking about those of you who are always so quick to judge others faults while overlooking your own sinful ways.”

          Yes, we are! Now name those or just stand guilty of being another accuser of the brethren spouting off at the mouth with nothing but their “judge not” falsehood to hang onto.

          How do you know that all of us haven’t first examined ourselves before judging Lauren? Answer: YOU DON’T!! Instead you quickly grab the flaming arrows that Satan puts in your hands and fling them.

          “And judging someone instead of wanting to merely pray for them is a sin…”

          That’s a LIE!! Straight from the Pit of Hell. Wanna know what Jesus said about that? See John 8:44 and Rev. 21:8. Jesus Christ COMMANDS His followers TO judge. NOT just “merely pray for them”!!
          Wanna know what God has to say about those who lie in His name? Wanna know about what God says about those who speak falsely for Him? See Deu. 18:20 & Pro. 30:5-6.

          “And sin is sin in God’s Eyes…”

          ANOTHER LIE!! Twice in one post. More than that on this one thread. That’s called PRACTICING SIN. Wanna know what God says about that? See Matt. 7:21-23, 1st Cor. 6:9-10, 1st John 1-3, and Rev. 21:8, 22:15.

          “The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom” (Psa. 111:10)

          You should start there.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Well, it looks like Danny has left us. Too bad he deleted his posts. Especially the last one he sent me. I’m sorely tempted to post what he said here as it came to my email but on the outside chance that he was actually convicted of his sin and chose to delete his posts rather than publicly confess & repent of his public sins, I’ll give him the grace of not doing so. I do hope and pray that is the case & it’s not a matter of him just stiffening his neck and running off until another time when he can throw his flaming arrows without it possibly being exposed for what it is.

    • Royce E. Van Blaricome

      Exactly who are these “self-righteous quick-condemners” that you speak of? If you are going to bring an accusation be more specific so that we can determine whether you are a false accuser or bearer of false witness and therefore an abomination to God.

      Btw, having looked at most of the comments on here I have not seen ONE person point to their own righteousness. So it would seem that your accusation is false. Additionally, your “cast the first stone” is almost always a sure sign & indication of one who is Biblically ignorant and whose theology consists of cliches they’ve heard along the way. Twist not Scripture lest you be like Satan who quoted Scripture for his own purposes too. Your misuse of John 8:7 is speaking falsely for God. Might wanna see Deu. 18:20 & Pro. 30:5-6 for more on that.

  • Stephen D

    Much worse than a young woman’s ‘fail’ on homosexuality is the fact that musical taste has completely gone down the drain in Christian circles! The churches used to be the repository of the best music by the great composers. Now all they have to offer is mush. Musically, the churches are feeding their congregations baby food. Perhaps this is a reflection of their spiritual condition?

    • porcupineman1454

      I agree that Lauren Daigle is not strong in Scripture but I always take umbrage when someone suggests that contemporary Christian music is somehow inferior. That annoys me. It may not be to your taste but that does not make it inferior. Being unable to realize that is a sign of immaturity.

      • Stephen D

        Obviously people’s taste in music differ, I agree. But what does that show? Children have different tastes to adults. However no-one places a child’s taste above the taste of the adult, which has been formed by experience. Surely it is the immature child who thinks all tastes are equally valid? To me a sign of maturity is the exact opposite – it is recognising that tastes can be educated, that people can grow to be more mature, intellectually, emotionally, spiritually.

        • porcupineman1454

          And so what makes CCM somehow worse? Explain to me. I have heard all the arguments and to me, none hold any water. As long as a song praises my Lord, I don’t care what the style of music is.

        • Lisa

          As someone who was married to an unbeliever for nine years, I learned to appreciate how the Holy Spirit used contemporary Christian music to transform my husband. He likes Christian radio and singers Lauren Dagel, not hymns (which I love). To each his own, I say. Just glad my husband came to Christ 18 years ago.

  • Raspeaker

    It is a false dichotomy to say that we either support Daigle in prayer OR wrathfully condemn her. We can lovingly support her in prayer and at the same time express our difference of opinion with her. As Daigle said, she is not God, but God has spoken in Scripture on this issue and what He has said is clear. Daigle quite clearly said that she does not know if homosexuality is sin. It is not necessarily condemnation or wrath for any of us to express a difference of opinion with Lauren Daigle on this point, especially when our opinion is rooted in God’s clear, objective revelation.

    • kenneth20754

      This is a very reasonable and well-written post.

  • Gary Thompson

    A compromise is a compromise. We don’t condemn her, but sure don’t agree with what she said. Sorry, I’m not going to compromise and take the chance of loosing favor with God. With position comes more responsibility. She should of figured that out by now. If she hasn’t figured it out she’s probably in pride anyways. But I’m not the judge, but if it were me I’d would be in sackcloth and ashes by now.

  • Gary Thompson

    BTW, Michael Brown; I’ve been watching you and listening to your messages for 20 or 30 years. I’m surprised that you would be so moved to support her for this. I would think that you would understand what compromising is because of your Jewish roots. We saw over 1 million Jews die in the wilderness for their compromise. Only 2 made it in of the original ones that came out of Egypt. I suspect like the Jews found out their compromise wasn’t going to get it with God. Obviously there’s no fear of God with Lauren otherwise she would of known better. I would suspect she’s going to loose a lot because of that. How sad. I loved her music, but won’t listen to her anymore.

    • Patmos

      Good points. God didn’t even make a compromise for Moses, keeping him out of the promised land for not obeying him.

  • porcupineman1454

    Yes, the condemnation was far too harsh against her. That’s the curse of the internet – people hiding behind screens feel far freer to speak their minds. That being said, she DID give a cowardly, weak, worldly answer with little basis in Biblical Truth, and, to some level, she does deserve to be rebuked. We have so few influential voices in the secular word nowadays, and for one of them to be too cowardly to speak up for the truth, yes, that is disappointing, weak, and spineless of her. And I would say that to her face, not just as an anonymous avatar online. Dr. Brown’s response, too, is weak and indecisive. For her and others like her, we need a healthy mix of love and rebuking. Desperately needed, in fact.

    • Gary Thompson

      The Apostle had an answer to those who walk disorderly. The Bible is our book. If we shy away from what it says we’re allready defeated.

  • kenneth20754

    Your first sentence is undoubtedly true. Had she given a meek, well-spoken, biblical answer, the wrath of the LGBTQA+ community and its fellow travelers would have fallen down on her head instantaneously. The question put to her was a trap.

    • Shonna

      I absolutely agree!!!

    • Gary Thompson

      As believers we should try to avoid the traps the enemy sets up for us. One thing is for sure though, we can’t compromise our faith and the Word of God. Just can’t do it.

      • Royce E. Van Blaricome

        How do you know it was a trap set by Satan? Lauren obviously put herself in that position. I find it almost impossible to believe that she didn’t anticipate a similar question by going on the Ellen show. How likely is it that she didn’t know Ellen is a lesbian? So I see it just as likely that God brought the test and she failed.

  • Patmos

    By the way, best answer a believer can give to such a question, “Yes, God says homosexuality is a sin and not only that but he thinks it’s an abomination as well, and if you have issue with this take it up with him!”

    The secular piles of dog crap are all just looking for an excuse to hate Christians with questions like this, it’s that reprobate mind at work.

    • Shonna

      It is an abomination absolutely and if you would have read further into my comment I said the Bible speaks against it. We all need to chill out pray love one another and stop the judging

      • Royce E. Van Blaricome

        Why would you tell everybody that they “need” to disobey Christ? Yes, Christ said we are to love one another but He also COMMANDED us TO judge.

        • Shonna

          I have told no one to disobey God in fact right the opposite. This is just another example of how people take something that’s was or was not said and interpreted thier own way. I will continue to pray for peace and love and unity and I don’t care who or who it does not offend.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            No, in FACT, you said “We all need to chill out pray love one another and stop the judging”. See the “AND STOP JUDGING”? THAT is telling everyone to disobey the clear COMMAND of Jesus Christ.

            Now, thanks for telling everyone that you don’t care if you offend Christ and His followers.

          • Billy24601

            Hi Royce, based on your response, it seems you’ve been subject to a lot of judging yourself. Is that where all the hate is coming from?

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Hi Billy, based on your response it is evident and a fact that you have violated the clear command Jesus gave in John 7:24. Not to mention the instructions he gave in Matt. 7:1-5. Do you actually enjoy being an abomination to God and making false accusations or are you just totally oblivious to what you’re doing?

          • Billy24601

            I just want everyone to see how Royce speaks like a “true” Christian. Bravo, you’ve revealed whose spirit you truly have. Apparently none of the fruits of the Holy Spirit.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Yes, yes, we can all see what your motives are. Sadly, the one you continue to expose is YOU.

            Bravo! You’ve revealed whose spirit you truly have. That’s what a Giant Sequoia tree sticking outta an eye socket often does. Funny thing how Matt. 7:2 works.

            Oh, and btw, my comments actually do reveal several of the fruit of the Spirit. But hey, thanks for publicly putting on a show that you’re oblivious to those as well.

          • Billy24601

            Royce and his limited understanding once again exposed. Christ is not a liar, i never said that, but you are, big time Royce. You even have the throne of brimstone with your name on it in hell. I can imagine you sitting on your desk reading your bible and cherry picking a verse that would make you feel superior over other people. Eureka! MAT 7:1-5 gives me that power. He raises his bible in all of his illiterate glory, while in his mind there were thunderbolts and lighting. He delves deep into the internet, where he can spread his poison. Sees a statement he disagrees with and presto, he uses his magic word “abomination” to send the poor soul to hell. Flip side to reality, the other party reads his shallow take on the bible and laughs as he takes another bit of his banana. Royce pushes himself from his keyboard and breathes deeply, feeling fulfilled that he has done his Lord’s work. While back in hell Baalzebul and Satan toasts their keyboard warrior of HATE. 🙂

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Your words speak for themselves. They’re right there in black & white for all to see. Just like Jesus said. Open your mouth and show your heart.

            “You even have the throne of brimstone with your name on it in hell.”

            There’s that narcissistic god-complex AGAIN. This is why I keep sayin’ “Just let ’em talk!” They ALWAYS reveal themselves and Billy boy here just proved he’s a false accuser of the brethren and an abomination to God.

            Too bad he didn’t take the Giant Sequoia Tree outta his eye socket and read Matt. 7:2.

          • CLOWNSKILL

            The truth is Royce covets the power to cast souls into Hell.

          • Billy24601

            You noticed it too? It’s like he enjoys his imagined authority bestowed upon him by his “God” to send people to hell, just like the Pharisees.

          • CLOWNSKILL

            I don’t anyone who thinks God called them to proselytize in the comments section of an internet opinion piece. If you’re gonna live in a bubble, at least pick a bigger bubble.

          • Billy24601

            Also check out the definition of “seems”, it means “assumption based on observation”, not an accusation. So does that mean you are the abomination since you accused me of accusing you? Something to think about Royce.:)

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Uh, aside from the idea that you might wanna look at a few more definitions, let’s take a little look-see at what you said there, shall we?

            See that little word YOU used first – “assumption”? Wanna take a gander on what that means? Wanna take a wild guess as to how that fits with the command Jesus gave in Matt. 7:4?

            Beyond that you accused me of putting forth “hate”. THERE is your false accusation based upon your assumption.

            So the answer to your question is no.

            But I ‘spose it’s easier to try and deflect and project your sin upon another than to confess & repent.

          • Billy24601

            Awww, did I hit a nerve Royce? The only one who spews hate here is you because you are the one who is so eager to cast the first stone. Now who is deflecting? Maybe you don’t know me, but I know you. Secret sins have a way of revealing itself through what you say and do. As far as your bible quoting is concerned, you are nothing but a clanging bell. Pity:)

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Nope. Sorry to disappoint you. Don’t flatter yourself. That little flaming arrow fell short right along with the rest of the ones you’re flinging.

            What didn’t fall short of notice though is that you couldn’t deal with the errors you publicly displayed both from a dictionary definition and the Bible. LOL Nah, instead you just hurl the fiery little darts. Keep talking! You’re showing your heart. Thanks for continuing to publicly show everyone that you’re a false accuser of the brethren and therefore an abomination to God. Not to mention your Biblical ignorance again with your “cast the first stone”. That, like the “judge not”, is almost always a sure sign of a Poser and one who’s Biblically ignorant.

            Secret sins? LOL. Oh do tell. LOL I’m not the one hiding my identity. And as for my Bible quoting, you can characterize them as you will. I’ll stick with Isa. 55:11.

            Now run on back to your daddy and get another flaming arrow to fling. Tell him to do a better job this time. You haven’t hit anything yet. LOL

          • Billy24601

            Mind you, I am not disappointed, as a matter of fact I am quite relieved that people now understand why you are who you are. You seem to view yourself highly on knowing what is “biblical” but still fail to live what is biblical. Why even the devil knows the bible cover to cover, and this shows it. I will now run to daddy, now you run to mommy ok Royce? HAHAHA!

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            LOL. Oh yeah, as if they needed you to tell them. LOL You’d do best but dropping the narcissistic, self-imposed god-complex. Your faux-omniscience isn’t doing you any good. Only exposing your ASSUMPTIONS and willful continuing to disobey Christ’s COMMAND on HOW to judge.

            Now just keep talking and showing your heart, Billy boy. I’ll take all the blessings I can get while swatting down your feckless little fiery darts every time. Meanwhile, like all good little keyboard warriors for Satan, you’re heaping up your own eternal rewards on your head.

          • Billy24601

            Ah classic Royce, deflecting his narcissism on others while insisting what he knows is right in spite of his lack of knowlege. You tell me that Jesus judged so you too can judge. Jesus can judge because he is without sin, ergo are you without sin. Such posturing, now that is God a complex. You are not swatting anything, In fact I know that It has pierced your soul up to its dark corners. I know that you spend more time debating about theology rather than living your theology. God judges but people rebuke. See you at church, Mister Pariseo. Hehehe!

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Uh, no. I’ve repeatedly told you that I can judge because ALL Christians are COMMANDED by Christ to judge. Speaking of clang clang clang, you’re like a broken record. Or the Energizer Bunny. You just keep going over and over and over the same thing again and again and again. Clang clang clang.

            “In fact I know that It has pierced your soul up to its dark corners. I know that you spend more time debating about theology rather than living your theology. ”

            Oh no, he doesn’t have a narcissistic, self-imposed god-complex and faux-omniscience at all. LOL

          • Billy24601

            Nope, only God can judge because your judgement does not mean anything. It’s as hollow and flimsy as your theology. The Pharisees place themselves above people so that they can judge them against their standards which is shallow as opposed to God’s righteousness. As for the clang clang clang, it’s actually you mouthing off God’s word but is devoid of his spirit. It’s ok Royce, tell yourself it’s fine. Hehehe!

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            So you wanna call Christ Himself a Liar, huh? LOL You want us to believe that the COMMAND Jesus gave for His followers TO judge isn’t really there. Nah, don’t think so.

            As for the rest of your blather, I and those who have eyes to see, will just take that for what it is. Pretty CLEAR who’s theology is off.

            Still got that Giant Sequoia Tree sticking outta your eye socket. It’s almost comical how the irony of Matt. 7:2 is completely oblivious to you. There’s a time a coming when you won’t be laughing. Talk about being devoid of His spirit! Smh.

          • Billy24601

            Furthermore, you keep mouthing off that Matthew 7:1-5 gives you the authority to make judgement about people wherein fact the verses focus on hypocrisy and not judgement. On the other hand, maybe you see yourself as without sin that is why you are so eager to point out the sin of others. But I doubt it. We cannot judge like the Pharisees do, but we can rebuke like the early Christians do. See Matthew 18:15-17 on how to deal with sin.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Nope. Never said any such thing. I said Jesus COMMANDS His followers TO judge. Mat. 7:1-5 is the instructions on HOW to obey that command. And no, the verses do NOT focus on hypocrisy. You won’t find the word “hypocrite” there once. But you will “judge”. Thanks for showing your Biblical ignorance again. Keep talking. You’re doing a bang up job.

          • Billy24601

            Oh Royce I pity you and your limited understanding, but I am amazed by your ignorance. You don’t even know how to make an analysis of the statement. You are what we call, a cherry picker. When you study God’s word, you study its context, not just cherry picking words that would fit your understanding. The statements were directed to the Pharisees by the way, just so you could add something to what you “know”. Anyway if we are to base it on your way of literal interpretation, there is still no “command” as you put it.

            Am I touching a nerve there Royce? Did it hurt? What secret sin are we harbouring for us to pass judgement on other people? Pity:)

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            LOL. Thanks for showing the best ya got. I appreciate the blessing. Now run on back to your daddy and get another flaming arrow. That one was a dud too.

            My oh my but you are a dense one aren’t you. Like I said, do try to keep up, Matt. 7:1-5 is the INSTRUCTION on HOW to OBEY the COMMAND that JESUS gave in John 7:24.

            And no, how many times do you have to be told, don’t flatter yourself. Keep talking! According to this genius, folks, anyone that passes judgment on another has a secret sin. Wahl, gawly gee Wally, according to Billy boy here Jesus was a Sinner harboring secret sins! According to Billy Boy one is only obeying Christ’s COMMAND TO JUDGE if they are harboring secret sins.

            And now ya know why I keep saying just let ’em talk! Just let ’em talk!!

          • Billy24601

            LOL, how does it feel Royce? Pretending not feel anything? Careful you might give yourself an aneurism. HAHAHA! No I am not dense, you are the dense one. You think your understanding of God’s word is correct in spite of the absence of context. Clang clang clang goes the bell that is Royce. All noise, but none of the spirit. 🙂

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            I feel just fine, Billy boy. Thanks for continuing to show who you are, who you belong to, and that you don’t have a problem whatsoever with being an abomination to God.

            ALL Christians have the right to judge because Christ COMMANDS them too. Now I’ve grown tired of you. You’ve made it crystal clear who you belong to and what you’re about.

          • Billy24601

            No you don’t Royce. HAHAHA! I know you feel the hate at the tip of your fingertips as you type those words. I’ve seen how you respond to other people whose ideas differ from you, you lash out because you are a megalomaniac who finds control behind the keyboard. That is the proof of a narcissist. If I am a troll, then let it be as long as I expose your true spirit, then I am doing God’s work. Better a troll than a Pharisee. I don’t hate you anyway, I pity you, and you entertain me.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            LOLOLOLOLOL!! There’s that narcissistic, self-imposed god-complex exercising its faux-omniscience again. Hate to burst your bubble Billy but yes I do. Thanks for putting your delusion on full display for all to see AGAIN. Now run on back to your daddy, Satan, and get another flaming arrow. You ain’t hit anything yet and you’re both doing a pathetic job. And thanks for the blessing!!

            Blessed are you when people insult you, mistreat you, and tell all kinds of evil lies about you because of me. (Matt. 5:11)

            “but those who rebuke the wicked will have delight, and a good blessing will come upon them.” (Pro 24:25)

          • Billy24601

            Oh yes, Royce, here are more blessings! HAHAHA! Pionk, the flaming arrow hits Royce’s hollow head, but he still lives because he has no brain. No damage done! Satan allows him to continue to exist because he is his general. “SPREAD the HATE”! shouts Satan, Royce immediately turns on his computer and starts spreading his poison online, mouthing off, sequoia, flaming arrows, abomination, narcissistic, faux, and whatever limited vocabulary he has. While other people began to read his statements online, they now understand why he is alone. Terribly alone. Hahaha!

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Like a dog that returns to its vomit is a fool who repeats his folly. (Prov. 26:11)

            “Their throat is an open grave; they use their tongues to deceive.” “The venom of asps is under their lips.” “Their mouth is full of curses and bitterness.” (Rom. 3:13-14)

            “Behold, they belch forth with their mouth; Swords are in their lips, For, they say, “Who hears?” But You, O LORD, laugh at them;” (Psa. 59:7-8)

          • Billy24601

            Hahaha! Do you hear what I hear? Pharisee Royce quoting the bible like any self righteous bigot would. The devil whispers onto his hear, “go quote verses so that the shroud of hypcrisy won’t be unveiled”. But the sad thing is, he does not fool anyone, because his words are like the clanging bell, all noise but none of God’s love. He thinks he trickles of living water but it’s all poison. Royce’s response is to cherry pick verses, copy, paste, copy, paste, copy, paste. Hehehe!

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Nope. I have ears to hear. Your hearing is as dead and your spiritually-dead eyes are to see.

            It’s almost comical how you’re projecting yourself onto me and how you can’t even see everything you’re saying applies to you.

            Like a dog that returns to its vomit is a fool who repeats his folly. (Prov. 26:11)

            Do you see a man wise in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him. (Prov. 26:12)

          • Billy24601

            Oh Royce, I know I am comical, but you are hilarious, you continue to entertain me like a sideshow act. Whatever verse you mouth off is like a punch line in a stand up show because it has been drained of God’s spirit. You are a sad old man who finds pleasure in making other people feel inadequate. Hahaha!

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            You sound just like another Poser and pathetic excuse for one at that. Just like him, you don’t even try to hide your fangs. No wonder you hide behind your keyboard and don’t show your face.

            “Their throat is an open grave; they use their tongues to deceive.” “The venom of asps is under their lips.” “Their mouth is full of curses and bitterness.” (Rom. 3:13-14)

            “Behold, they belch forth with their mouth; Swords are in their lips, For, they say, “Who hears?” But You, O LORD, laugh at them;” (Psa. 59:7-8)

            “For there is no truth in their mouth; their inmost self is destruction; their throat is an open grave; they flatter with their tongue. Make them bear their guilt, O God; let them fall by their own counsels; because of the abundance of their transgressions cast them out, for they have rebelled against you.” (Psa 5:9-10)

            “His mouth is full of curses and deceit and oppression; Under his tongue is mischief and wickedness.” (Psa. 10:7)

            “The mouth of the righteous flows with wisdom, But the perverted tongue will be cut out. (Prov. 10:31)

            “Though evil is sweet in his mouth And he hides it under his tongue,” (Job 20:12)

            “The words of his mouth are wickedness and deceit; He has ceased to be wise and to do good.” (Psa. 36:3)

            “You let your mouth loose in evil And your tongue frames deceit.” (Psa. 50:19)

            Like a dog that returns to its vomit is a fool who repeats his folly. (Prov. 26:11)

          • Billy24601

            Awww, I hit a nerve again, poor Pharisee Royce. Did the flaming arrow plunge onto your fragile ego? If there is anyone who represents an absolute poser, it is you. Imagine, claiming to oneself that he is without sin for him to cast the first stone. What posturing? What hubris? The nerve to place himself equal to Jesus. You know nothing Pharisee Royce.:)

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Awww, you’re flattering yourself and dreaming again. And now the “Pharisee” arrow huh? LOL Just like the “self-righteous” and “holier than thou” – arrows that Satan gives his minions as the oh so often touted mantra against someone by those who wish to cling to their sin.

          • Billy24601

            Cue the laugh track. Well that was unoriginal, truly Royce you disappoint me hehehe! So quick to turn the tables on me as the one posing the “holier than thou” card when you are clearly the one doing all the judging while the veritable forest is clearly on your eye, not just a sequioa. Your righteous pride got you good, you’re still on earth but already you are swiftly deteriotating inside and out. I do find you entertaining Royce. Make me laugh more!

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            LOL. Thanks for showing everyone that Giant Sequoia Tree is still sticking outta your eye socket. Maybe both! It’s a miracle you can see to even type.

            Here’s a lesson for anyone else that might not be following the whole thread but stumbling across that post..

            “you are clearly the one doing all the judging” followed (like that’s not judging! LOLOLOLOL) immediately by “Your righteous pride got you good, you’re still on earth but already you are swiftly deteriotating(sic) inside and out.”

            And there you have it, folks. The spiritually-dead lobbing their flaming arrows at their best! LOLOLOL

            Like a dog that returns to its vomit is a fool who repeats his folly. (Prov. 26:11)

            Do you see a man wise in his own eyes? There is more hope for a fool than for him. (Prov. 26:12)

            The wise will inherit honor, but fools get disgrace. (Pro 3:35)

            The LORD has made everything for its purpose, even the wicked for the day of trouble. (Pro 16:4)

            “You will certainly carry out God’s purpose, however you act, but it makes a difference to you whether you serve like Judas or like John.” – C.S. Lewis

          • Billy24601

            Awww, is the rain forest in your eye finally making you so blind Royce? Careful, it might tear out your eye socket, from which a pus will excrete along with your little knowledge of God’s word. Here is the real lesson for anyone reading this thread, when you start accusing someone of anything, yuu will be measured by the same stick. I take delight in exposing how ugly you are inside and out. That’s why people leave you. 🙂

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Awww, couldn’t see your hypocrisy even after I spelled it out for you. Yes, yes, we can all see that you take delight in doing Satan’s bidding.

            And, of course, ya just gotta show your narcissistic, self-imposed god-complex AGAIN and throw another feckless flaming arrow from your daddy Satan. Too bad it fell short just like the rest.

          • Billy24601

            Oh my, Royce has lost his originality, he is even trying to imitate my style sans the charm of it all. But I am flattered really Royce. Everyone is laughing at you now. The judge has become the judged and it hurts does it not. Faster than an abominable accusation, stronger than righteous pride, able to spurt bible verses without an ounce of wisdom. It’s a pharisee! It’s a saducee! It’s Royce the ridiculous. His side kick, Secret Sin! Hahaha!

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            There’s the narcissist coming out again. LOL The LAST thing I’d ever do in my life is try to imitate you, son of Satan.

            “Everyone is laughing at you now”

            Oh no, he’s not delusional. He doesn’t have a self-imposed god-complex. This loon continues to think he’s omniscient. What a pity. Poor guy. But hey, he’s putting a good show on as to how the spiritually-dead and totally-depraved are. It’s a good lesson folks. Eph. 2:1-3 at work. Totally controlled by their Flesh, the World, and Satan.

          • Billy24601

            Oh Royce, it was so apparent that you were imitating my style in your last post. Oh so sad, it fell flat. 🙁 A pathetic attempt to be entertaining. With all the LOLs it was still apparent that his words were seething with hate as the clickety clack of his keyboard sounded. Hail Royce, the false judge! Who points to others as self-imposed gods while he raises himself on a pedestal! You are losing steam fast Royce, it’s getting boring. Hee hee hee!

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Apparent to you. In case you haven’t noticed. LOL Thanks for continuing to prove you’re an abomination to God and you actually take glee in it Ok with me! Ya wanna keep heaping greater punishment on your head ya go right ahead,

            Your tongue devises destruction,
            ​​Like a sharp razor, working deceitfully.
            3 ​​You love evil more than good,
            ​​Lying rather than speaking righteousness. Selah
            4 ​​You love all devouring words,
            ​​You deceitful tongue.

            5 ​​God shall likewise destroy you forever;
            ​​He shall take you away, and pluck you out of your dwelling place,
            ​​And uproot you from the land of the living. Selah
            6 ​​The righteous also shall see and fear,
            ​​And shall laugh at him, saying,
            7 ​​“Here is the man who did not make God his strength,
            ​​But trusted in the abundance of his riches,
            ​​And strengthened himself in his wickedness.” (Psa 52:2-8)

          • Billy24601

            Nope Royce…it was apparent to everyone who has read your pathetic attempt. You are a judgemental hypocritical entity who has delusions of granduer to think that God has bestowed upon him the power to condemn. The only punishment that I will be reaping is trying to squeeze any sense from your words. Whenever you open your mouth, dung beetle comes out. Now that’s an act coming from you, hehehe!

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Oh my! The Darkside is powerful in you. LOL Doubles down with his delusional god-complex.

            “You are a judgemental hypocritical entity who has delusions of granduer”

            Now look in the mirror and repeat it until you get it.

            “Their throat is an open grave; they use their tongues to deceive.” “The venom of asps is under their lips.” “Their mouth is full of curses and bitterness.” (Rom. 3:13-14)

            “Behold, they belch forth with their mouth; Swords are in their lips, For, they say, “Who hears?” But You, O LORD, laugh at them;” (Psa. 59:7-8)

            The wicked plots against the righteous and gnashes his teeth at him, but the Lord laughs at the wicked, for he sees that his day is coming. (Psa 37:12-13)

            “Because I called and you refused, I stretched out my hand and no one paid attention; And you neglected all my counsel And did not want my reproof; I will also laugh at your calamity;
            I will mock when your dread comes” (Pro. 1:24-26)

          • Billy24601

            Hi Royce, what’s this? My, are we now quoting Yoda now? Has it come to that? Hahaha! You lack the wisdom of a Jedi, moreso the wisdom of a Christian, and the complexity of a human being. It’s funny yet pathetic how you keep deflecting your God complex to others wherein you relish the power of a God. The most alarming part is that when you look at the mirror you still see a beautiful image, when everyone else sees a sad lonely man who nobody likes. Go forth and spread the gospel of the Sith Royce, you are only of use to the dark side. By the way, I may respond in intervals because honestly, I am getting bored, especially when all I hear from you is a clanging of a bell. All noise but no substance.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            It’s called Scripture. Not surprised you can’t see that. And you just can’t help yourself can you? Just gotta climb up on that self-built throne and exercise your faux-omniscience (not to mention absolute arrogance to even think for a nanosecond that you can speak for everyone when you don’t even know who they are! LOLOLOLOLOLOL) from your narcissistic, psychotic self-imposed god-complex.

    • Royce E. Van Blaricome

      Good but not the best answer. The “best” answer would be to say what you did and then follow it with “because He has made a way for you to be forgiven and free from that sin.”

      • Classic

        Payment first.Atonement first.Wrath is what people are saved from.The sentence (The wages of Sin are death.)Again the Scripture says the Wrath of God Abides.We are saved from the Wrath of God,by the Atonement.Not freed from Sin but Freed from the Wrath of God.Repent from the Lie.Sinners abide under Wrath of God.The Lord Jesus Christ’s Cross was the righteous revelation of The Wrath of God.People have no concept of what Salvation means.Rescue,Saved,Delivered.Ask me By the Truth I am Saved ,Rescued,Delivered from the Coming of The Wrath of The Living God.Through the Revelation of the Lord whether he comes in life or raises in death.The promise is true.Just ssying.

        • Royce E. Van Blaricome

          Incorrect. It is both. Yes, we are saved from the Wrath of God but Paul makes it clear that we Christians are no longer slaves to sin. John 8:36 and Romans 8.

          I have no need to repent of the lie that you claim as I never told one. I never said that Sinners don’t abide under the Wrath of God. I’m very familiar with Eph. 2:1-3.

          • Classic

            John 8 .Israel old covenant servants from God to Servants of Satan.What began in the Wilderness had now become Lost.The Lord said I am not sent but to the Lost sheep of Israel.This passage is first and foremost to a disobedient and gainsaying people.Their Sin had them bound through the law of God to the Righteous Judgement and Wrath of God.The Lord offered complete Freedom of the Law and Judgement of God by The Words and New Faith he revealed to them.Come Follow me.Paul would later say Follow me as I follow Christ.Romans 8 follows Paul.In a Seculiar forum Order needs too come first.Sentence or Judgement have an order most self called Christians have not the order hence the Confusion and Banter that exist.This is my last communication on this matter.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            “What began in the Wilderness had now become Lost.”

            Wrong. Rom. 9:27 & 11:26. That said you diverted from 8:36 which is clear. As are the rest of the passages I cited. The rest of what you wrote is wrong as well but it’s a totally different subject from the one at hand in this article and I don’t wish to hijack this thread with another issue.

            Your theology & soteriology are severely riddled with error. So I’m glad to see it’s your last communication on this matter. Both because this isn’t the forum to discuss it and because a man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still.

  • Patmos

    “Just love” is not scriptural. Leading someone into hell by thinking everything is accepted is not the gospel, not even close.

    • Shonna

      Scripture does not say “just love” but scripture does say in 1John 4:7-8
      Beloved, let us love one another, for love is from God, and whoever loves Has been born of God and knows God. Anyone who does not love does not know God Because God is love.
      1John 4:11
      Beloved,if God so loved us we should love one another.
      1John 4:19-21
      We love because he first loved us. if anyone says I love God and hates his brother he is a liar; for he who does not live his brother whom he has seen cannot love God whom he has not seen. And this commandment we have for him: he who lives God must love his brother.
      Romans 12:19
      Vengeance is mine sayeth the Lord.
      We are not God

      • Jim Walker

        Shonna, we are to love the way Jesus loves. Not the way the world loves. God’s Love is unconditional but we are still subject to his wrath because of our sin. Thanks to Jesus we are saved by grace.

        Christian truths will always offend the world because the world hates Jesus.
        Either we tell it as nicely as we can but retains the truth or we fail. So whatever we say will not be in agreement with the world and in this case in Ellen’s show.
        I’d say the truth if I’m invited.
        Let the world condemn me but in the eyes of God, I’m as white as snow.

  • Terento

    I agree wholeheartedly with Mr. Brown. However, there’s something to be said against her not being prepared to give an answer. Foundationally, Romans 1 and 1 Corinthians 9 clearly states by divine revelation through Paul how Jesus designed humanity to function. I feel very bad for Lauren. Whether it was out of peer pressure or a lack biblical knowledge that caused her to stray from the never compromising truth, she had the chance of a lifetime for the furthering of the faith and she chose to speak more confusion into the world. I believe that God can still redeem this as a learning curve for her and that she may have in the future a chance to again publicly speak from the heart of the father out into the darkness of confusion that so firmly oppresses the world. May God give her courage to accept godly edification and continue the work of the ministry in the church

  • Ted Pallas

    There’s only 1 way to answer that question and unfortunately Lauren failed at that moment. She isn’t on record giving our Father all the glory either…So let us all pray for her and leave it at that. Amen.

    • Shonna

      Amen!!! I’m in agreeance

  • Royce E. Van Blaricome

    Where’s your discernment? Since when does correction become an “attack”? Y R U so quick to claim she is a Christian? Matt. 7. At a time like this where you yourself have written that false teachers and wolves are rampant it is appalling that your “colleague” would characterize the Christian Media’s holding her accountable as a “public lynching”. Appalling! She’s a public figure & with that comes public accountability! If there’s one thing lacking in the Church today it’s accountability. And it is not loving her as we should not to question whether she’s even a Christian when she denies Christ by deflecting from His Truth. If we really love her we’ll make the effort to ensure she’s not a convert of the Easy-Believism, Seeker-Sensitive, “just as Jesus into your heart” namby-pamby false gospel that doesn’t save anyone.

    Lastly, you say “unless you’ve been in…” Gimme a break! Every Christian has or will face temptation to deny Christ for self. The mark of a Christian is to know there is no condemnation in Christ. When you fail a test you confess & repent & when you fail publicly you confess & repent publicly. THAT is the message we should be giving Lauren.

    To who much is given much will be required. It does not help Lauren or The Body to coddle her for cowardice.

    • Jim Walker

      Totally agree!

    • Raymond Monasmith

      Please — never, ever relent or apologize for this stance. Accountability IS a mostly lost concept. I observe (“judge”…ahem) that far FAR too many these days are name-dropping Jesus, and don’t know Him or His Father any more than they know the man in the moon. It will never be my place to “judge” as in “pronounce sentence”. It is ALWAYS my/your/our responsibility to “judge” as in “discern motives and truthfulness”. That is also a concept that is mostly lost and/or misunderstood.
      Whether Ms. Daigle is or is not a Christian remains known but to God. Whether she acts/talks/quacks like a Christian can be plainly discerned by observation. (Oh – but we shouldn’t do that…apparently…because……)
      The hardest part is remaining gentle, patient, meek and humble (2Tim2:24-25) while “…instructing those that oppose themselves…”. For me that is the first evidence I look for – is a professing Brother or Sister willing to listen to correction without becoming defensive, no matter who that correction is coming from? Mark of maturity…

      • Royce E. Van Blaricome

        Thank you and I don’t. God opened my eyes up about 8yrs ago this time of the year to Matt. 7. The plain fact according to God’s Word is that most who profess to be Christian just aren’t.

        My heart goes out to those who have bought into the namby-pamby, chicken soup for the soul, pop psychology of the Seeker-Sensitive, Easy-Believism, “just ask Jesus into your heart” impotent false gospel that doesn’t save anyone and leaves them powerless to overcome even the simplest of tests. I have long believed now that the greatest mission field for Christians here in the USA may very well be those who profess to be Christian.

        • Classic

          True judgement/sentence has true power to deliver.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            I don’t understand. Can you elaborate?

        • Lisa

          Although I admire your strength of conviction, perhaps this young singer might win some unbelievers over to our side through her music. It’s amazing that secular media want to give her a platform! Think about this. After she gets people interested in Jesus, then other Christians in the church can help these seekers to understand the whole gospel. The body of Christ working together is a beautiful thing. I hope Lauren doesn’t get sucked into the world.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Thank you but that’s not how it works. The power to regenerate someone comes by the Holy Spirit. NOT thru some music. See John 6:44-45. Then ask yourself what is heard & learned. The answer to that is found in John 16:8. As for Unbelievers seeking see Rom. 3:11 for how many do that.

            I haven’t listened to much of her music but the two songs included in this article in the video are telling. Did you notice that God and Jesus are NEVER mentioned? Perhaps that’s why secular media is giving her a platform.

            I hope she doesn’t get sucked into the world too. Let’s see how long she has her platform should she start actually giving the Gospel, saying Jesus is the ONLY way, and speaking the truth of God’s Word.

          • Jackie

            Sadly,
            Clear evidence she’s already in that direction.
            I pray for her to Repent.
            Yes, that platform they want to give her is not because they are drawn by her songs.
            or what she is says in her songs, its more because they want to eventually,
            change her into their kind of singing.That is what the world does. They don’t care about what she brings, they only care about what they can do to tear down and “break” from what she brings.
            That is why she needs to back up her musical voice with her convicted voice of truth
            when she does interviews. She needs to speak boldly and stand in her Faith with the words she speak. This will let the world know where her heart truly is.
            I want to tell her in encouragement: “Tell them Lauren, Tell them the truth. Don’t bow down.”
            “He is worth it all!”. Glory to the Name of the Lord!

      • Jackie

        Yes, Amen

    • Jackie

      Yes, Amen.
      Oh, but, you forgot to say we need to pray for her as well.

      • Royce E. Van Blaricome

        Very true. Thank you for pointing that out and adding that!!

    • CLOWNSKILL

      “Finally, and most importantly, we strive to walk in the example of Jesus Christ, to live by The Golden Rule and to exercise Biblical principles. We serve all people regardless of race, color, religion, sex, or national origin. I hope this helps in answering your questions about our services. Please don’t hesitate to contact me if you have other questions or if I may be of any help to you or your firm in the future.”

      Your words, not mine.

      So when it’s a matter of business, of income, of your career, you will serve someone of a different religion, someone you believe to be in violation of Christ’s principles, in order to make a buck.

      You effing hypocrite. Take that redwood out of YOUR eye you walking, talking cliche.

      • Royce E. Van Blaricome

        Nice try, Satan. Unlike you and the rest of you little keyboard warriors who hide behind your computer & refuse to show who you are, I don’t.

        And no, it’s not a matter of business or income or may career. It’s a matter of being like Jesus. Just as I said. And no, Jesus – as a carpenter – would NOT have made a bed for a couple of homosexuals to celebrate and consummate their “marriage”.

        Now, run on back to your daddy, Satan, Mr. Clown and get another little flaming arrow to fling. That one fell WAY short. But hey, thanks for proving you enjoy being a false accuser of the brethren and an abomination to God.

        • CLOWNSKILL

          No miss. A dead hit, bullseye, Jack. Thanks for outing yourself as a self-delusional hypocrite who doesn’t practice what he preaches and the walking, talking cliche you are.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Boy howdy you are an arrogant, deluded clown. Despite your delusion I know better than you whether your little feckless fiery darts and satanic attempts are hitting their mark. Happy to disappoint you. They’re not.

            Oh, and btw, the name is Royce. See it by my avatar? Right there in Black & White.

            “A fool does not delight in understanding, But only in revealing his own mind” (Pro. 18:2)

            “Like a dog that returns to its vomit so is a fool who repeats his folly. (Pro. 26:11)

          • CLOWNSKILL

            Speaking of vomit, Jack, you regurgitate the same old, tired cliches over and over. Bla, blah, like a broken record.

            1) …sequoia tree, blah, blah…
            2)..flaming arrow, blah blah..
            3)…vomit to folly, blah, blah…
            4)…Daddy Satan, blah, blah…
            5)…self-imposed god-complex and faux-omniscience, blah, blah…

            Dude, get some new material.

          • Billy24601

            Yes I do notice that in Royce’s post, he is like a sad stand-up comedian with no new material. Clang, clang, clang goes the noisy bell without the true spirit of God. Maybe that’s why people leave him.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            They speak falsehood to one another; With flattering lips and with a double heart they speak. (Psa. 12:2)

            But all who are wicked will keep on strutting, while everyone praises their shameless deeds. (Psa 12:8).

          • Billy24601

            Do I hear a clanging bell again? Ah it’s Royce, or should I say Pharisee Royce. Once again mouthing off verses to suit his interpretation, but still devoid of spirit.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Even a fool who keeps silent is considered wise; when he closes his lips, he is deemed intelligent. (Pro 17:28)

            A fool does not delight in understanding, But only in revealing his own mind. (Prov. 18:2)

          • blockthiscnn

            He loves to hear himself talk. I grew up hearing some of his type of caustic message. In his mind as long as he’s convinced he’s obeying, he can do no wrong, kinda like the missionaries that broke up polygampus marriages which forced a lot of those women into prostitution. It’s a miracle I’m not an atheist despite the best efforts of those like him who beat people for Jesus.

          • Billy24601

            Yes he does seem to have a high regard of himself, intellectually and spiritually. I can’t imagine someone taking joy in condemning people to hell just because he feels that he lives up to God’s standards. If he were to live in the biblical times, he would be the first to cast a stone or even condemn Jesus to death. He is quite pitiful if you think about it.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            My but you are a dense one with a Reading Comprehension level below Kindergarten. Even a Kindergartner knows that Royce isn’t Jack. Duh.

            There’s no need to get new material when God has provided ALL that’s needed.

            “Their throat is an open grave; they use their tongues to deceive.” “The venom of asps is under their lips.” “Their mouth is full of curses and bitterness.” (Rom. 3:13-14)

            “Behold, they belch forth with their mouth; Swords are in their lips, For, they say, “Who hears?” But You, O LORD, laugh at them;” (Psa. 59:7-8) And so do I.

            Like a dog that returns to its vomit is a fool who repeats his folly. (Prov. 26:11)

          • blockthiscnn

            Clown, that’s all he knows.

  • C JO

    Everyone is guilty of homosexuality. You break one rule, you break them all. Peoples sins and sexuality is between them and the One who paid for it. Not you, not me, not the media but THEM and God.

    • Raymond Monasmith

      Then the apostle Paul got it completely wrong when he instructed the Corinthians to “deliver such a one to satan for the destruction of the flesh” the man who was sleeping with his father’s wife (“mother”, in simpler terms). 1Cor 5:4-5
      I’ll get the time machine warmed up if you’d like to pay Paul a visit and set him straight…

      • Royce E. Van Blaricome

        LOL! Good one!

    • Royce E. Van Blaricome

      That’s a lie. All of it. Do you have any idea about what God says in His Word regarding those who lie about Him and His Word?

  • Dina Ybarra

    I think the answer is simple, as a born again christian i now believe yes it is a sin. However it took me time to realize it, I finally opened up my heart and asked God to show me why and he did. Just like it was my turn it will be Lauren Daigle’s or everyone else turn to find out when the time comes. But as a true christian I do not believe we should ever condemn, judge, or criticize others, we are to unconditionally love each other as God loves us. Especially when our job as christians is to mainly spread the gospel which was what Lauren Daigle was doing, and instead of joining what is going on in the world now where people no longer agree to disagree and see everything in a negative way, we should see it as a victory for her have been able to break a barrier no one else has in the past and perform in a place where christians aren’t normally welcomed. God opened that door for her for a reason, give him the credit he deserves.

    • Royce E. Van Blaricome

      Which “heart” did you finally open? The Jer. 17:9 heart or the Eze. 36:26 one? Also, if you are a true Christian then your belief is in error. Jesus Himself COMMANDS His followers TO judge and God’s Word is abundantly clear that we to criticize and bring correction. Evidently you’re not familiar with 2nd Tim. 3;16 or 4:2.

      if you think what Lauren was doing was spreading the Gospel you really need to learn what the Gospel is. And can you cite the Book, Chapter, & Verse where God opens the door for His children to deny His truths so He can get the credit????

      • Case Closed

        Have you tried breaking through the gay barrier in any place ??? Because alot of people can quote the bible over and over and over what good is that, what have they done to at least attempt besides judge, criticize, condemn, hate, etc, etc, etc ????? Because this world is certainly not the same as when Jesus left it, people are not the same, now all it is is words, mean words, nothing but negative, no actions, and giving no power at all to God in anything anymore.

        • Royce E. Van Blaricome

          “Gay barrier”? What is that? And why don’t you speak truthfully. There is nothing “gay” about it. It’s Homosexuality. Or is that too self-condemning?

          What good is it to quote the Bible? You really asked that? Is Isaiah 55:11 missing from your Bible? How about 2nd Tim. 3:16? How about Heb. 4:12? It may not be good enough for you but it was for Jesus so it is for me. I’ll trust the power in the Word of God over any man’s every single day & twice on Sunday.

          As for the rest of your blather that’s just nonsense not worth even addressing except to say you speak about everything being all words and ‘giving no power at all to God in anything anymore” and yet that is exactly what you just did. Bravo!

          Oh, and it didn’t escape my notice that you failed to answer my question. Well, sort of. You did continue to show just how much you know about God & His Word.

          So, here’s another couple of questions for you. Do you profess to be a Christian? If so, why? What must occur for one to become a Christian? How does one become a Christian?

          • Case Closed

            1. If being gay or homosexual, however anyone wants to call it, is a sin, and this world is now filled with alot of gay people, how do you try to convince them so. Have you ever spoken to a group of people before ?? Because they do automatically form a barrier.
            2. Have you changed alot of gays, sorry, homosexual lives quoting bible verses after bible verses over and over ??
            3. Actually i did give power to God, he opened a door for Lauren Daigle to sing songs of him and his glory.
            4. God opened my heart, which you know nothing about, but God did and I praise and love him for it even more.
            5. Yes i profess to be a christian. Because God and only God changed my life. As for the answers to the rest why don’t you ask God yourself instead of me.
            And anytime i disagree, I don’t attack them or always quote the bible i simply agree to disagree, and I leave it in God’s hands and if they are open to God showing them, I prefer they ask him.
            That is how much power I give him. So wether you want to agree with me or not makes no difference to me, however I do leave you in God’s hands. God bless you my brother.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            1. The world has always been filled with homosexuals. I don’t try to convince them. That’s not my job. My job is to obey Christ and He said we are to be Messengers that deliver a Message. The Message is the Gospel & God’s Truth. From there it is up to God. See John 6:44-45, then John 16:8 & then Matt. 16:24. That’s pretty much how it works in a nutshell. And no, they don’t automatically form a barrier. Get over yourself. God knows better than you. The barrier is already there. See John 3:19-20.

            2. See above. I don’t change anybody. Neither do you. Neither do they themselves. Regeneration comes ONLY from the Grace of God by the power of the Holy Spirit.

            3. No, you didn’t give ANY power to God. That’s laughable on its face. You don’t even give God credit for having any power if your “opened doors” reference.

            4. Opened your heart? You didn’t answer my question. Which heart? The Jer. 17:9 heart? Did you ask Jesus to come in and take up residence there? And are you saying I know nothing about what God did in your heart or that I know nothing about Salvation & Regeneration. If the former you’d be correct. God has not given me His omniscience or a word about that. If the latter, you’re wrong and it’s apparent that you are the one who is lacking in that area.

            5. Is that your way of saying I don’t know? Is that your way of obeying 1st Peter 3:15? Is that how you explain the Gospel to Unbelievers including your homosexual friends?

            And no, that’s NOT how much power you give him. It’s a cop out for disobedience. It’s a deflection but doing your duty as a Christian and obeying Christ’s command to be Salt & Light. It’s failing to give God’s Word which is where the real power of God lies with us.

            And it is NOT an “attack” to do so. It’s actually a VERY loving thing to do. So why aren’t you that loving?

  • David McKissack

    Why not make Lauren a test of the Christian community’s ability to persuade people with her views to reconsider? Condemning her harshly strikes me as the surest way to push her deeper into popular culture. In fact, it may give her an excuse for rejecting the criticism.

    Lauren’s generation has been taught that the main goals in life are personal peace and material prosperity, and that God deeply wants to give them these things. They believe that all a good Christian must do is to be nice and not judge. Can young people with this view of Christianity be persuaded otherwise, that Christianity actually demands more of them? Lauren has huge incentives not to be persuaded. Why not see bringing her toward the light as a challenge for the Christian Community?

    • Raymond Monasmith

      “Can young people with this view of Christianity be persuaded otherwise, that Christianity actually demands more of them?” — excellent, excellent point. Unfortunately, my own efforts (no matter how patiently presented) tend to be impulsively rejected right off the bat, with accusations of “PHARISEE!” and “religious spirit” following closely behind.
      But I persist, because oddly, I take seriously Paul’s instruction to Timothy as pertaining to all believers, within their individual giftings and capacities.

    • Royce E. Van Blaricome

      There is NO excuse for rejecting criticism when it is godly correction. Why do you give someone an excuse when God doesn’t? And how impotent is your god that a harsh word can push someone deeper into a popular culture than the power of the Holy Spirit to draw her closer to Him?

      “Can young people with this view of Christianity be persuaded otherwise”?

      The answer is YES. How? By simply obeying the conviction of the Holy Spirit, denying themselves, picking up their cross, and following Jesus as He commands.

  • Kathg Dianda

    I thought light was to go into darkness not light into light. Love your music Laruen. The song I will trust in you our Pastor hung on to the words while suffering with cancer. He went home to be with the with the Lord 2 years ago..thank you for your music. Keep up the great music

  • Craig Roberts

    “People are writing to me everywhere today because in many circles I’m known as a prophet who speaks out with boldness and courage. Pastors and saints are asking me to come out tonight and blast Lauren Daigle. Well I’ve been in prayer all day and I feel absolutely zero unction from the Holy Ghost to address Lauren Daigle. I actually feel a tremendous unction to address the hypocrisy in the body of Christ.”

  • Lucas

    It feels good to be self righteous and judge others doesn’t it? The question put forth to Lauren Daigle was a trap. Obviously someone wanted to be vindicated in their views. The answer which Lauren gave was actually a good one on my view. The question does not differentiate between homosexual attraction, and homosexual acts. Before we go throwing stones and judging others, stop and think for a moment the tremendous mercy God has showed you in forgiving your sins. Ask yourself some honest questions based on the standard of purity Jesus put forth. In short, even looking lustfully at another person is considered adultery of the heart. Consider also that with the measure you use, you also will be measured. A strong warning to those of us who think it’s our duty to be judges of the world. It’s kindness that leads people to repentance, if all we do is yell ‘unclean’ to those outside the church, they will never come or want to stay. Wasn’t it Jesus who ate and drank with sinners and prostitutes? Jesus came for sinners, not the self righteous Pharisee. Sanctification is a process, people need to come to Jesus as they are. Only he can provide the healing they need. Perhaps instead of immediately condemning someone, create a dialogue, tell them about the Jesus of the Bible and perhaps what a wretched person you have been, and about his amazing Grace. Maybe they might listen. It’s easy to armchair quaterback, much tougher to actually be put on the spot to answer a loaded question. Some of us need a wake up- we’re more sinful than we ever dared imagine, but more loved and forgiven than can be comprehended. Wake up church! Return to the words and work of Jesus and pay attention to what he did in life.

    • Royce E. Van Blaricome

      Your view is as skewed as her answer was. And btw, Homosexual attraction is a sin too.Oh, and you got 2nd Cor. 7:10 wrong too.

      I could go on as there is just SO much you got wrong but I sense it’s not worth it. It’s obvious you have NO fear of the Lord and don’t hesitate to speak falsely for God. Even Jesus Himself. Smh.

  • Royce E. Van Blaricome

    “At this point there’s no way she could have answered that question and made everyone happy.”

    Since when is that to be the objective of any Christian? The truth is Christians will make MOST folks unhappy.

    “She has reached thousands of people with her music.”

    Perhaps. I’m not omniscient so I don’t know. Are you? That said, even if she has it’s not a matter of how many she’s reached but what has she reached them with. Have you noticed in the song that neither Jesus nor even God is mentioned? Satan sends the message to love yourself just as you are. Christ sends the message to die to yourself and become like Him.

    “How many lives have been changed by her music”

    Changed how?

    “who are we to say that her music hasn’t lead people to the Lord….maybe even a homosexual?”

    I don’t know who the “we” is that you speak of but Christians know the answer to that. Christians are followers of the Lord Jesus Christ who have surrendered their lives as a slave to Him as their new Master and so “we” believe what God has said. And Jesus said her music hasn’t lead anyone to the Lord!! See John 6:44.

    “I personally don’t believe it homosexuality is right. I believe the Bible specifically speaks against it. But….as Christian’s shouldn’t we be setting an example instead of condeming one another?”

    LOL. You obviously don’t even see the hypocrisy in that statement. What kind of example did Lauren set? And since when does correcting someone turn into condemning them?

    “We are to love one another and pray for one another!!!”

    True. But why did you stop there? We are also to exhort, correct, reprove, & even rebuke one another. Funny how one’s thinking can often be so lopsided. This is most often a result of idolatry where one has created their own god in their own image according to their own ways, will, & wisdom instead of bowing before the One True & Only God for who He is.

    “This deeply sadens me. I feel like she’s under attack by the enemy.”

    Oh boy, another self-professing Christian controlled by their emotions and has built their theology and knowledge of God on Emotionalism & Experientialism.

    “If he can put one ounce of doubt in the minds of her fans then he can work on them. I can’t help but feel like she was put on the spot and placed in a position she shouldn’t have been put in.”

    Oh, you can help it. You just don’t. Btw, have you considered at all that maybe she was put on the spot and was intentionally done so by God to test her? That said, more likely she put herself in the spot. I didn’t see anyone dragging her onto the state of either of those shows. Perhaps she went there to sell more CDs. I don’t know. But I do know this: whether she & her Flesh, Satan, the World, or God brought that test to her – she failed.

    “Maybe it was not the best place for her to put herself in ( by appearing on Ellen) we as Christian’s need to practice more grace and less condemnation.”

    Uh, no. What we, as Christians, need to do is just obey God. Speak the truth in love. Give grace when appropriate and call sin for what it is. That’s NOT “condemnation”. Christians don’t “condemn” anyone. We can say without reservation, however, that someone is already condemned. (Jn 3:19-20) For example, when one confessed to any other gospel than the Gospel, denies Christ, or practices sin.

  • I have recently started listening to her music Noel, I fell in love, I believe what the scripture teach about homosexuality, I read her statement which I thought was honest enough, so here we go again on a witch hunt on a brethren/sister, when do we stop hurting each other and live the way Jesus has taught us to. I’m gonna keep listening to her music and definitely will keep singing it. love her. We have all been at a point when we did not understand specific scriptures, and we still lived and worshiped until we learn better. People have a tendency to hop on things and point fingers, oh she should have known, sounds like another jealous rant, why didn’t the devout Christian that FIRST heard it, find a way to talk with her instead of starting this mess, see how this mess goes, this is exactly the way the pharisees tried trap Jesus. So just stop it and go to the rant like why did the chicken cross the road.

  • Jim Walker

    Her answer is because of political correctness.
    We should stop trying to downplay the Gospel message but to speak it in truth.
    If it offends someone, God will take care of it.
    These days, it’s so hard to simply talk to anyone because anything we say can offend anyone. If things are going this way, soon we can only greet each other and that’s it.

    It all started with “Happy Holidays” I think…

  • Moaniaalaanuhea Tamashiro

    I think she is amazing christian singer and she has an amazing God sent gift…i relate to her music esp her latest album…im lifting you up in prayer Lauren…keep your head up and keep doing what your doing!! Much love to you…Guard your heart and your mind sister…DONT BELIEVE THE LIES OF THE ENEMY…

    • Royce E. Van Blaricome

      Are you calling all those who have brought correction to Lauren and confronted her with her sin “the enemy”?

  • Sheryl Reeves

    I am so sick of these so called Christian hypocrites acting like judges of Lauren Daigle giving a “weak ” answer when asked about homosexuality. Look in the mirror. If you have never sinned or not been clear about your stance on homosexuality is, keep judging and throwing stones. Okay it’s very clear what the bible says about homosexuality. But did it say anything about Christian’s throwing these horrible homosexuals away? I thought it was ridiculous for her to be bashed about being on the Ellen DeGeneres show. How do you hypocrites know that God saw her appearance on that show as meaning she was advocating for homosexuality. Just stupid thinking. Love thy neighbor. Ever heard that one. Can’t you love a person who is homosexual and yet not approve of their life style? End of rant. Homophobic people are disgusting to me because they have no right to be judge and jury. Disgusting is probably a strong word to use, But I think she was letting her light shine in a very dark world.

    • Royce E. Van Blaricome

      So you’re sick of Christians actually obeying Christ and decide to get a flaming arrow from Satan to hurl at them with the “hypocrite” broadhead on the end. Got it.

      The surest sign of one who belongs to the Accuser of the Brethren can be seen in the rants against those who obey Christ by shining their light and, of course, the old worn out “judge not” and “cast the first stone” twisting of God’s Word.

      Sheryl has shown her true colors. First she resort to ad hom by calling those who speak truth about Homosexuality as “Homophobes” when there is NO irrational fear attached to it whatsoever and then she states how “disgusted” she is by them. Well, she’ll probably be in for quite the surprise when she finds that she won’t have to worry about spending Eternity with us. Then she tops it off by actualing claiming that Lauren’s “light” was shining when what she actually did was hide the Light.

      This is why I keep saying, “Just let ’em talk! Just let ’em talk!!” The more they talk the more they reveal themselves.

      • Shawn Pavlik

        “she’ll probably be in for quite the surprise when she finds that she won’t have to worry about spending Eternity with us.”

        Hmm…sounds like YOU are judging her already. She proclaims to know Christ. What else is required to spend Eternity with Him and with His Father?

        • Euromoto

          It’s not a beauty contest; faith without works is a dead faith, even the demons acknowledge Christ, the narrow gate, etc. I could go on, but we’ve all heard it before. The sinner’s prayer is a good start, but it’s just that, a start. Faith = obedience; we all need to carry our cross. “What else is required to spend Eternity with Him and with His Father?” A clear-eyed commitment beyond intellectual “assent”.

        • Royce E. Van Blaricome

          I went back and reread what Sheryl said. I don’t see anyplace where she proclaims to know Christ. Even if she had, so what? ALL those in the Matt. 7:21-23 line do too. They even call Jesus “Lord” to His face! In fact, there will be many who actually even claim to be Christ. And do you really think a person can be a Christian when they are disgusted with members of The Body?

          Lastly, are you seriously asking me what else is required to spend Eternity with God besides proclaiming to know Christ???? Better think on that one for a good long while. Here’s a clue for you: Satan & His demons know Christ.

          I’d ask you what you think must happen for someone to become a Christian but I won’t. You just showed you don’t even know.

  • Craig Roberts

    “People are writing to me everywhere today because in many circles I’m known as a prophet who speaks out with boldness and courage. Pastors and saints are asking me to come out tonight and blast Lauren Daigle. Well I’ve been in prayer all day and I feel absolutely zero unction from the Holy Ghost to address Lauren Daigle. I actually feel a tremendous unction to address the hypocrisy in the body of Christ.” -Jeremiah Johnson

    WHAAA? So Christians that are willing to profess the hard truths of the Bible and speak out AGAINST sexual immorality are the hypocrites and you’re the one who “speaks out with boldness and courage”???

    I can understand not wanting to blast Lauren Daigle (I wouldn’t either) but to turn around and call “hypocrisy” on Christians who DO speak out against sexual immorality in this day and age is…well…(how should I put it?)…spiritual vanity verging on insanity.

  • Craig Roberts

    HEY WAIT A SECOND! You’re promoting another book Brown! The guy you quoted and linked to his facebook page is the co-author and HE’S HOLDING A COPY OF YOUR NEW BOOK COMING IN DECEMBER!

    Oy vey… will the sneaky, self-promoting, selling of the Gospel ever end? On the last day who will have it worse? The sexually immoral or the snake oil salesmen using the Gospel to glorify and enrich themselves?

    • Craig Roberts

      Oh wait. Your name is on the cover but you just wrote the forward to the book. Still. It seems a little disingenuous not to mention that.

    • porcupineman1454

      Dr. Brown rarely writes an article whose purpose isn’t to promote one of his books or his social media accounts.

      • Craig Roberts

        I thought I knew that already but he’s getting sneakier about it because it took me a minute to figure out.

  • MaxVeritas

    Attn: Lauren Daigle
    Christ has judged homosexuality sin in both testaments and as a
    professing Christian, you have the mind of Christ through the indwelling
    Holy Spirit. If you can’t agree with His judgment then you apparently
    are none of His. Praying for you

    1 Cor 2:11-16 11 For who knows a person’s thoughts except their own spirit within them? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.
    12 What we have received is not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may understand what God has freely given us.
    13 This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, explaining spiritual realities with Spirit-taught words.
    14 The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.
    15 The person with the Spirit makes judgments about all things, but such a person is not subject to merely human judgments,
    16 for, “Who has known the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him?”But we have the mind of Christ.

    • John

      Do you feel better now? She failed to stand with Christ, but so did Peter, David, Solomon, in fact he even built altars to Chemosh and other false demon deities…and it was some of his own children by the many wives he had that he was likely sacrificing or his wives were…
      Ms. Daigle failed to stand up…true, but wow dude! Remember this: The Pharisees were walking theologians….they knew their Bible and totally missed people like John the Baptist, The Samaritan laying on the side of the highway, and even Jesus…and the Ephesians lost their first love, though they were theologically accurate…Oh and I almost forgot to write that the Corinthians had incest and previous homosexuals in their church…”and such were some of you”…..
      Listen, all of the church mourns when one of our own is failing, yes the church delivered the incestual man to Satan, but in 2 Corinthians God used that discipline to bring him to repentance…
      God could be using this for her good and also others…pray for her don’t condemn…legalism without love shreds relationship

      • MaxVeritas

        Your Swiss Cheese of out-of-context error does not merit a response.

        • Classic

          Agreed

        • John

          Wanted no response, just to share that the GRACE of God is the point in correcting erring Christians not ungracious language like you used. I say this to you in love. Galatians 6:1-2

          • MaxVeritas

            You have wrongly turned my godly counsel into ill-mannered comments, as well you ignored the fact I’m praying for her. Learn from Paul. 1 Cor 5:9-2 I wrote you in my letter not to associate with immoral people; 10 I did not at all mean with the immoral people of this world, or with the covetous and swindlers, or with idolaters, for then you would have to go out of the world. 11 But actually, I wrote to you not to associate with any so-called brother if he is an immoral person, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or a swindler—not even to eat with such a one. 12 For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Do you not judge those who are within the church? Eph 5:11 Do not participate in the unfruitful deeds of darkness, but instead even expose them

          • John

            I agree with all your use of scripture. I saw that you had said that you were praying for her…those were balanced comments for sure, however ” then you are apparently none of His ” was an assumption that seemed harsh.
            Forgive me for being a bit sensitive… I am guilty for being sarcastic myself towards your comment because of that… I am sorry.

            This is very serious, I agree. My 4 children and I listen to her songs and though we can discern the truth and error, many will not be able to resist the temptation to compromise for the sake of “unity”. God spare her and help her. We’ve all said and done things we’re probably not proud of…I am sorry that I misunderstood your comment..

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            I’d just like to give you something to think about. Perhaps meditate on for awhile. It’s wrt your “however ” then you are apparently none of His ” was an assumption that seemed harsh.”

            Go back and read the synoptic gospels again. Take a highlighter or make a note somehow of all the times you see Jesus “seeming” to be harsh.

            In this PC day we live in today where every little snowflake under the sun has a meltdown because they’ve somehow been “triggered” the Body has become infected by a very contagious bug that preaches it is a sin to offend anyone and to be “harsh”.

            In my eSword I’ve got an really good article that I saved. I think it’s called “Letters to the Editor on Paul to the Galatians” but not sure. My laptop is down right now so I can’t go look. You might try to Google it. It’s a picture perfect textbook example of what people today would say to Paul about his letter. In fact, I just Googled “Letters to the editor+Paul+Galatians” and the first result that pops up may be what I have. Don’t recall for sure but it’s good.

            I can’t count the number of times I’ve seen and heard people talk more about one’s “tone” or how they perceived something was said than the substance of what was actually given. I can’t count the number of times I’ve heard people say “that’s only gonna push people away from Jesus”. As if a spiritually-dead, totally-depraved, son of disobedience and child of wrath clinging to their sin can be pushed any further away from God than they already are. Or like the power of any man’s words are greater than the power of the Holy Spirit. Ridiculous.

            Just something to think about.

      • Royce E. Van Blaricome

        The difference between Peter and the others you listed, including those in Corinthians, and Lauren is that they confessed and repented.

        • MaxVeritas

          Yes they did repent, as well, they weren’t indwelt by the Holy Spirit having the mind of Christ as we have.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Exactly. Which, as you said before, is all the more reason why Lauren should be confessing & repenting if she’s saved.

          • John

            Jesus in Revelation said that He gave time for a women he referred to as Jezebel…I gave her time to repent, but she refuses to repent of her sexual immorality. (Revelation 2:21, ESV

            If she doesn’t repent and straighten this out, then Satan will use it. Agreed…but again let’s give the Holy Spirit time and either she will respond or Him or not…all will become clear.
            All I’m saying is that we should be quick to listen and slow to speak in assumptive ways that say Apparently you are none of His….your use of scripture is correct and you did end with I will pray, sorry for the misunderstanding on my part and sarcasm.

          • MaxVeritas

            Please know that I am very thankful for your willingness to reason with me & not shut the discourse door. Will close by noting it never was my intention to condemn Lauren, I tried to show her that we are equipped to discern truth from error by the indwelling presence of the Holy Spirit.—Grace & Peace to you and yours.

        • John

          True, and hopefully in time she will see or not see. All will become clear to us as it already is to Christ….you will know a good tree by their fruits..

    • Classic

      Perfect judgement.

  • Royce E. Van Blaricome

    God wouldn’t be shaming her? Gotta Book, Chapter, & Verse for that? And be VERY careful before you go prooftexting that you don’t twist God’s Word and speak falsely for Him!! Hebrews 12:6 is one you might wanna look at.

  • Bernardo

    One of the problems with many christians today is that they are quick to judge others. My response to them would be what our Lord Jesus told the crowd who wanted to stone the woman for adultery: …” He who is free of sin may cast the first stone”.

    We are quick to judge others instead of working together as a body.

    I totally agree with the author of the article. We need to come together and work together.

    • Victor Rivera

      Bernardo the world usually would say don’t judge becuase thats all they have, but when Christian’s say that then that’s concerning, big difference in pointing something out and judging someone, …

      • Jesus is My Savior and Lord

        Well said Victor. As believers we are called to confront sin. That is, in fact, love. Anything else is accommodating sin.

      • Royce E. Van Blaricome

        Not really. One has to judge before they can “point something out”. Jesus COMMANDS His followers TO judge and Christians are to bring correction.

  • Denise Rose

    I think she has a beautiful voice! And for anyone to condemn her for her sexual beliefs are only going to be judged themselves on judgement day!
    We should hate the sin not the sinner!
    We as Christians are suppose to love others as we love ourselves. Not judge because they don’t follow the same path you follow.

    We should be praising her for getting her song out to a dark world not condemning her right now for her sexual orientation!
    Shame on us as christiana to be bashing her instead of praising her.
    God bless all of us

    • Royce E. Van Blaricome

      Nothing Christian in that comment. Just the opposite. Why do you profess to be a Christian? What must happen for one to become a Christian?

      And btw, evidently you didn’t read thru the comments either. Jesus COMMANDS His followers to judge & nobody condemned her. You, like so many others, have confused correction with condemnation.

  • RRHudgins

    As I began this week with prayer, I recalled the Scripture our Pastor shared on Sunday … I grew up in the Southern Baptist church where I was taught John 3:16, but never John 3:17 … Pastor Caleb read the passage from the Amplified and it really touched me. I grew up listening to the condemnation from the pulpit, aimed at my Grandpa, my uncles, the congregation as a whole. Hellfire, brimstone and condemnation. Get ’em saved and keep ’em condemned. WOE unto you, Pharisees, hypocrites, the Lord Jesus said … Lauren’s song “You Say” is John 3:16-17, plus Romans 8:1 … God doesn’t condemn us for a “weak” answer or even a wrong answer … the Word says, “be angry and sin not” … condemnation is unwarranted judgment, therefore it is sin … it’s okay to be upset or even angry that she didn’t dig her heels in and say sin is sin … BUT SIN NOT. Romans Romans 2:10 tells us none are righteous, and Romans 3:23 just breaks it down to the foundation: ALL HAVE SINNED and come short of the glory of God … how about we go through the closets and locked chests of those condemning Lauren. The old saying “the guilty dog barks first”, comes to mind. If the religious community yells and screams and belittles a young woman with a gift most of them probably envy, that causes real Christians like me to break down in tears just thinking about it … no one is looking at them, are they? So what does this, spirit filled, ordained minister of the gospel, think about the situation? To all the condemners … sit down and shut up, you are as guilty as the rest of us, that’s why Jesus chose to die for us.

    To Lauren … go on baby girl, sing your song, just like Daddy purposed for you to do before the foundation of the world.

    And in closing … why is everyone so shocked … God wasn’t surprised, He knew exactly how she’d answer the question, and He created her anyway.!

    • Royce E. Van Blaricome

      God created every single person that Christ will hurl into the eternal torment of the Lake Of Fire. And btw, did you pastor also read John 3:19-20?

      “Spirit-filled, ordained minister of the gospel”. Uh huh. Sounds a whole lot more like someone with a Giant Sequoia tree stuck in their eye socket and hurling flaming arrows at God’s children who brought someone professing to be a Christian the correction she needs.

  • Katie Weisbecker

    Lauren Daigle, you are a beautiful gift from God. So many people have been inspired to seek the Lord through your music. The hand of the Lord is upon you for such a time as this. Be encouraged…the Lord is going to use you to bring many to his kingdom. God will use you to confound the wise. The announcing on you is great and you have the gift of singing the high praises of the Lord. Don’t lose your focus, keep your eyes on Jesus and many shall be saved. I pray for protection around you, grace, mercy and all of His power to fill you. God bless you sweet daughter of the Lord. Do not fear for God is with you and has chosen you for such a time as this. Amen

    • Classic

      Jennifer knapp

    • Joyce Rhodes-Barrett

      Thankyou

    • Royce E. Van Blaricome

      And you know all that how? By the way she deflected from the Truth? You claim so many have been inspired to seek the Lord thru her music? Putting aside I could ask how you know that too, exact who are you talking about? Believers or Unbelievers. The answer to that question will show just how much you know about God’s Word.

      I think you meant “annointing” & not “announcing. That and the rest is a lot of prophesying. You had better hope you are 100% spot on right. Including knowing that she’s saved and that many will be saved by her keeping her focus.

      Some focus! If she had been focused she wouldn’t have cowardly deflected from the truth of God’s Word.

    • Conservator

      Amen! Thank you for a great comment Katie. I heard a Christian radio personality railing about this recently and was so disappointed . . . In him! Look, nobody is perfect and gets it right all the time. If people have never been in the public eye and had to deal with the media they have no right to criticize. Lauren is a very gifted young artist whose music has blessed this old man and many others. Enough of the legalistic condemnation, we need to love and support Lauren and pray for her ministry.

      • Katie Weisbecker

        Thank you. God bless you! Hope you have a wonderful Christmas! <3

  • Tammie Arnold

    All you so called Christian’s are just a bunch of judgemental hypocrites!! It is not up to us to condemn or judge!! Leave that up to our Lord and Savior!! Our job is to love everyone and be good examples for Christ!! I love Lauren and her music!! God has blessed her much!! Ignore the do-gooders Lauren!! God bless you!!❤

    • Jesus is My Savior and Lord

      You’re wrong. We are called to share the truth with love. Anything short of that is superficial love and not Godly love. Confronting sin is not judgement, it’s God honoring and truth with love.

    • Classic

      Says the world.

    • Royce E. Van Blaricome

      Evidently you didn’t read thru the comments as I have already pointed out to a couple of others on here that it is not only our job to judge but we are COMMANDED by Jesus Himself to do so. And, like so many others on here, you’ve confused correction with condemnation.

      But more than that you’ve just shown yourself a false prophetess by telling others to disobey Christ and telling Lauren to ignore Christians who’ve brought correction.

      Now, c’mon back and lash out at me with a rant if you like. Or you could ponder that for awhile, seek God’s Truth, and listen to the Holy Spirit’s conviction IF you are a Christian. It’s your Eternity.

  • Vince

    Sin is always the lazy choice. It’s easier to conform to the world than conform to God’s will. She sings lots of pretty songs, but there’s more to that than being a Christian.

  • Craig Roberts

    Help her what? Sell out? Conform to the world? Lose her soul to rock and roll?

  • Mist

    Why ask that question? No matter the answer given it’s judged. I believe in the power of the people. One day homosapiens will be humble and selfless. Meaning one day questions of that nature won’t be relevant. Instead of judging her, we should be thanking her for her time and art that she chose to share with the world. Live, laugh and love.

  • Classic

    The Spirit of Truth can not lie.2 entities that directly oppose one another.Revealed is the response .I never go beyond what a persons spirit reveals.Wisdom recieves does’nt fight the Revelation.The answer was the Revelation of many called but not many chosen…Thats all..

    • Jackie

      I’m intrigued by what you wrote. Can you please elaborate further. Feel like I’m a missing something of value in what you said. Please explain.

  • Classic

    Worldly word to dull the sentence that had been revealed.

  • Christ’s Advocate

    Why is it such an extreme to condemn and alienate the homosexuals? Why are they being singled out? Are we not supposed to mirror God’s love to all our neighbors? All that are lost? How will they learn about God? How do you know what’s behind their choices if you don’t take the time to get to know them? I’ve met and grown to love quite a few who are beautiful people who have traumatic experiences that drove them down this path. The wrath churches have thrown at them have given a very sour distorted view of God. If you don’t allow them in your church and spit curses at them how do they heal? How do they come to know what Jesus did for them?
    Sin is sin and Jesus modeled the love He has for them no matter what the sin or lifestyle they are stuck in. It’s through loving unconditionally and seeing them through God’s eyes that they learn what it means to feel loved. What it means to feel accepted. Isn’t that what Christianity is all about? Being Jesus to all? Rather then make judgment, we need to follow Jesus example. Jesus would reach out His hand in love, and touch them with His healing heart, take time to talk and seek their needs not throw hate darts. Jesus said Love one another. You won’t see hearts change by hating them. WE ALL NEED JESUS!

    • Andrew Mason

      Where is the extreme condemnation and alienation of homosexuals? A practice that is on the forefront of the culture wars is defined by Scripture as an abomination. Simple statement of fact. Yes Christians are supposed to be loving, but love must include awareness of how God views sin lest they present the false message that God loves sin. Churches may struggle with the balance, may get things wrong sometimes, but isn’t it better to try?

      • Shawn Pavlik

        Do you wear clothing of two fabrics? Then you are a sinner. Do you eat fat? Do you testify against every wrongdoing you witness? Have you ever touched an unclean animal? Have you every let your hair become unkempt? Do you eat pork, ham or bacon? Has your wife gone to church shortly after childbirth, as the Bible prescribes waiting 33 days after the birth of a boy and 66 after the birth of a girl? Ever borne a grudge? Ever worked on the Sabbath? There are a lot of forbidden things in Leviticus. What did CHRIST say about homosexuality? Christ saved his admonitions mostly for those who horded their money. How’s your savings account doing? Do you have money squirreled away? Please show me in Christ’s own words a condemnation of homosexuality. Know what I remember about what Christ said? “Love the Lord your God with all your heart and all soul and all your Spirit. And love your neighbor as yourself.” Love others. Live in that way, and you will do honor to Christ and his Father.

        • kenneth20754

          Have you read the New Testament, Shawn? Under the new covenant, the cleanliness codes of the old covenant, fulfilled in Christ, have been abolished. The separation of Jew and Gentile has been overcome. But the moral aspects of the law remain, for they reflect the righteous and holy character of God, which we are enjoined to emulate: “Be holy, as I am holy.” What did Jesus have to say about marriage? What did Jesus have to say about sexual immorality–in which category every Jew understood same-sex sexual activity was included? And dare not separate the commands and teaching of Christ from the commands and teaching of his apostles. Paul is quite explicit in teaching that homosexuality is something out of which Christians are delivered. It is of the flesh, and we are no longer to be of the flesh.

        • Royce E. Van Blaricome

          Do you love God? If so, why do you lie about what He has said? Do you actually think it is loving to misrepresent and speak falsely for someone? Let alone God! You may remember what Christ said but you sure ain’t doing it.

          Oh, and since you asked, here ya go: “But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.” (Rev. 21:8)

          Btw, thanks for showing everyone your view of Scripture. Here’s a little newsflash for ya. EVERY single word in Scripture is that of Christ.

          Do you profess to be a Christian? If so, why? What must happen for one to become a Christian?

        • Andrew Mason

          Am I Jewish? No, thus your examples do not apply as I am not subject to ceremonial law. Prohibitions in Leviticus need to be understood in the context of civil, ceremonial, and moral divisions. As for Christ on homosexuality, he taught against sexual immorality – of which homosexuality was one grievous form noted in the OT. This condemnation was reinforced in passages such as Romans 1. While I agree we should love our neighbour as ourselves, love doesn’t mean letting folk remain ignorant – that isn’t love! Live that way and you don’t serve Christ. Not saying you rub sin issues in peoples’ faces of course – wisdom is needed, but ignoring the issue is wrong.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Well said. This OLD line of “Jesus never talked about Homosexuality” has been thoroughly refuted numerous times. If Shawn truly wants to destroy his idol and learn the truth all he, or anyone else, has to do is Google “Did Jesus speak on Homosexuality?” There is oodles of solid Biblical exposition on the matter.

    • Royce E. Van Blaricome

      If you’re gonna misrepresent Jesus you really oughtta think about changing your handle. There are so many falsehoods and lies in your comment that I’m just not gonna even address them. They’ve all been spewed by others on here already. If you have a teachable spirit you can take the time to go thru and find them.

      Your questions expose a severely Man-centered theology. Not Biblical and NOT God-centered.

      I will just address one of your many errors because it hasn’t been brought up by others yet and that is “If you don’t allow them in your church and spit curses at them how do they heal?” They don’t have to be allowed in one’s church to hear. In fact, if you knew your church history those who wished to cling to their sin would’ve never been allowed in the church. For an understanding of how God feels about sin in the church I suggest you look at Ananias & Sapphira and Paul’s writings to the church in Corinth.

      With that I’ll answer one more of your questions: “Isn’t that what Christianity is all about?”

      No. Not even close.

      • Christ’s Advocate

        So you believe that every person who walks into your church is saved? Is perfect and without sin? Wow

        • Royce E. Van Blaricome

          Nope. Never said any such thing. Thanks for showing your arrogant pride and unteachable spirit. The offer still stands. I’m happy to introduce you to Christ when you’re ready.

  • andrewpalm

    Is it hypocrisy to expect your leaders to know what they believe and unswervingly proclaim it? We have a responsibility to hold one of our own to a biblical standard of truth. It is sad that she could not speak plain truth and yes we should not bash her and send hate mail to her. However, we shoukd also not accept that her answer was on par with scripture for the word of God, (in the new and old testament) declares plainly that homosexual behavior is an abomination to God and those who practise such a lifestyle will not inherit the kingdom of God.

    • Lisa

      Maybe she attends a church like mine with pastors who avoid the homosexuality question with a ten-foot pole. Christians raised with poor teaching can’t be expected to preach well to the world unless they know how to seek knowledge.

      My husband and I both love her voice and her music is a bridge for the seeking world to cross over.

      • apollo

        God’s ways are not our ways.

    • Royce E. Van Blaricome

      Very well said.

  • Joyce Rhodes-Barrett

    Dr Brown thank you for addressing this issue. I was distressed to see the comments by professed Christians, the harshness they displayed was disheartening at best. Whatever Lauren’s answer the criticism was waiting in the wings. As Believers in today’s world we need to think before answering any question, doing so with tact. The interviewer asked the question knowing no answer would be satisfactory. What a beautiful, enlightening experience listening to her in concert.

  • Joshua Scheurich

    If so Christians took a step back at what they preach l, do they live it? If Christiand look at the life of Jesus Christ, and picture jesus Christ in today’s world, dont you think Jesus would be spending time with the homosexuals. Hate the sin and not the sinner. Jesus came to save the lost and homosexuals are just as lost as straight people are. Jesus sent us out with the great commission. That is clearly what Lauren is doing with spending time on Ellens show. I would love to meet Lauren and encourage her to continue to do what God is calling you to do in fulfilling your part of the Great commision.

    • Royce E. Van Blaricome

      “If Christiand(sic) look at the life of Jesus Christ, and picture jesus Christ in today’s world”

      They would still see the same Jesus that walked this earth 2000yrs ago. The problem is that far too many people never look upon the real Jesus that created them in His image but rather see a Jesus of their own making created in their image according to their ways, will, & wisdom.

      “dont you think Jesus would be spending time with the homosexuals.”

      Yes & No. That all depends. Contrary to popular modern day belief Jesus did NOT “hang out” with Sinners. Jesus came to do the will of His Father. While Jesus did sit and dine and interact with sinners you will not find Him spending one nanosecond of His time with those who openly mocked, scorned, ridiculed, or denied God nor do you find Him spending any time with those who willfully chose to cling to their sin instead of confessing and repenting. Let alone celebrating and reveling in it while trying to lead others into the Lake Of Fire with them. In fact, you don’t find him even saying one word to them in Scripture.

      But you do find Him speaking to the Posers. While I can’t be dogmatic about it I happen to think that the hottest, most terrible torment in the Lake Of Fire is reserved for those who led people there with them in His name.

      “That is clearly what Lauren is doing with spending time on Ellens show.”

      Clear to you. Not to many of us. Given that I’m fairly confident that God did not choose to share His omniscience with you there is a problem with your clarity. The question is will you SEE it. We’re called to test the spirits and we’re told that even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light.

      There is a man who will come on the scene who will lead MANY into the Lake Of Fire and it will be crystal clear to them that he is fulfilling the Great Commission and giving the Good News. But there eyes will be opened the very nanosecond they actually meet Jesus – right before He hurls them into eternal torment of the Lake Of Fire.

      • Christ’s Advocate

        What about the 12 Jesus chose? Were they not sinners which He called to follow Him?
        Your description makes Jesus out to be 2-faced. Yes He hung out with the sinners. He ate with them, rested with them, walked with them, laughed with them, cried with them, sailed with them. He didn’t just give them a word and walk away like He was better then them. He was and IS genuine! He Is Love and He loved all men and women and still does today!
        Recheck your scriptures! Look at every person God called to lead His people; as prophets. Jesus came into the world as one of us.

        • Royce E. Van Blaricome

          No, Jesus NEVER “hung out” with sinners. And He NEVER will. Evidently you’re oblivious to a little place commonly called Hell. Otherwise called the Lake Of Fire.

          Recheck your Jesus. My understanding of the Scriptures is just fine. I have the REAL Jesus shown in His Word. Not some self-made idol in my own image like you.

  • Bernie Miranda

    Taking Christian music to a secular audience has always been a messy job. Were do we draw the line in the sand? The song that ministers to me the most right now is her song: “You Say.” The song talks about GOD’S love and acceptance of us even when we fall short. Our identity is in Christ not our struggle with sin or the mistakes we all make. Daigle, rather you agree with her response or not, to the same sex attraction question, comes from the love of God in her heart, so we need to give her love and respect back, and give her time to tell us what her intentions were. I pray for her and love her in Christ unconditionally she dosen’t need my judgment or bashing. Let the Holy Spirit do His job He doesn’t need our help.

    • Virginia Burdette

      I agree

  • Danielle Earwood

    Why not let God judge? He said that was his job right? Did he say you should judge and alienate.. In HIS name? Pretty sure you should do some more self reflection. I will pray for mercy on you.. Mercy for all the souls you kept from seeing His light. Mercy for all the souls you shamed in His name. Hypocrisy is toxic.

    • MaxVeritas

      Learn from your elder, Paul 1 Cor 5:9-2 I wrote you in my letter not to associate with immoral people; 10 I did not at all mean with the immoral people of this world, or with the covetous and swindlers, or with idolaters, for then you would have to go out of the world. 11 But actually, I wrote to you not to associate with any so-called brother if he is an immoral person, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or a swindler—not even to eat with such a one. 12 For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Do you not judge those who are within the church?

      • apollo

        excellent post!

      • Bernie Miranda

        Paul was taking about brother and sisters in Christ not unsaved people. You have taken this passage out of context.

        • MaxVeritas

          You’re in error, I have not made a post to any unbeliever in this thread.

        • Juan Garcia

          Paul was talking about holding brothers and sisters in Christ accountable to Christian standards. But we can’t expect those standards from non Christians. If we did we could not associate with any non believer and could not fulfill the great commission. Who did Paul evangelize to? Believers or non believers?

      • Christ’s Advocate

        Each disciple was given the assignment to go and spread the word. If they refused to sit among those who were ‘immoral’ how could they teach the people? How could they start a church?

        • MaxVeritas

          Why are you conflating saints with sinners? Paul is talking about judgment and actions against other Christians who are practicing sin/s

  • Kristy

    Your article is so timely because I was prompted this morning to reach out to Lauren and encourage her before I read your article. However, I am going to applaud her response as well. While praying this morning, it came to me that Jesus never responded directly to questions that were aimed at trapping him and neither should we. It is impossible to comment on the law of God without understanding the heart of the God. We will lose every time. Not with Christians, but are we trying to win Christians? I liked her answer that she was still trying to figure these things out. And so am I. I am trying to understand the heart of God towards homosexuals. We know the law. That is black and white. But we live in a gray world and the blood of Jesus covers that gray with grace. Doesn’t change the law, but it should change our hearts which is what the world is going to see first. Let’s lead with grace, by not answering these types of questions outside of relationship and allow the Lord to write His law on people’s hearts.

    • Royce E. Van Blaricome

      I hope you do learn the heart of God towards homosexuals. Best wishes with those efforts. Then you’ll understand just how wrong your comments are.

  • Linda Choquette

    Why must she be asked that question at all?

    • kenneth20754

      I asked that yesterday. What was Dominick Nati’s motive in posing the question to Lauren in the first place?

    • NewcastleB

      It’s a “gotcha” question always employed by the media to socially isolate and condemn Christians. It’s bigot baiting in it’s more sophisticated form. If you’re not familiar with bigot baiting you should be. Google the term and you’ll find a very good article by R.R. Reno about it and the LBTGQ bathroom issue.

    • donnab9656

      Because satan works that way!

      • Royce E. Van Blaricome

        Woe to those who call Evil good and Good evil. Do you have any clue how dangerous your statement is? What if the Holy Spirit was working to bring her a test and prompted the Unbeliever to ask that question?

        And you’re the one who just said, “choose your words as if God were speaking them”!!

  • apollo

    Matthew 9:10-17 New International Version (NIV)
    10 While Jesus was having dinner at Matthew’s house, many tax collectors and sinners came and ate with him and his disciples. 11 When the Pharisees saw this, they asked his disciples, “Why does your teacher eat with tax collectors and sinners?” 12 On hearing this, Jesus said, “It is not the healthy who need a doctor, but the sick. 13 But go and learn what this means: ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice.’[a] For I have not come to call the righteous, but sinners.”

  • Barbara Shearhart

    We all know what God said regarding homosexual activity, however, do any of us really know what the final punishment He will deal out will be on each person who has failed? I don’t believe so. Keep in mind HE also hates drunkeness, lying, adultery, gossip, gluttony, etc.. I tell people what God says, His judgement on them (proclaiming they are going to hell) is His judgment, not mine.

    • andrewpalm

      Nobody asked her about final judgment. The question was a very simple right or wrong morally based question that any biblically based Christian should have no problem answering. The final answer is always God’s but the answers to the moral questions are very clear.

      • Barbara Shearhart

        I agree, and I would also add, so is lying, drunkenness, adultery, gossip, gluttony, etc.. Those rising up against her for not giving the perfect answer are also include…”The one who says they love God whom they do not see but do not love their brother whom they do see, is a liar.” Raking her over the coals is not love.

        • Royce E. Van Blaricome

          You have NO idea what “Love” is. “Love” doesn’t aid, celebrate, approve of, endorse, support, or in any way participate in the death and eternal torment of another.

          And that can include Silence.

          To “Love” truly is to desire their well-being and to promote their TRUE flourishing as much as you can. Or, in other words, to seek God’s highest best for that person. Homosexuality can NOT do that.

          Do you love your neighbor enough to tell them they will spend Eternity in the torment of the Lake Of Fire if they don’t confess, repent, and surrender as a slave to the Lord Jesus Christ?

          Oh btw, if the Holy Spirit never “raked you over the coals” you’re not saved.

          • Christ’s Advocate

            And who told you that??

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Jesus. His own words. Thanks for showing your Biblical ignorance AGAIN. Would you like to surrender your life as a slave to the Lord Jesus Christ as your new Master and destroy the fake jesus idol you currently worship that you created in your imagine according to your own ways, will, & wisdom? If so, I’ll be happy to introduce you to Him.

          • Barbara Shearhart

            “The Holy Spirit” is the key word here…you ain’t him. He does the raking, not you or I.

            Like I said in my earlier post, I show people what the word of God says but I don’t pound on their head or treat them disrespectfully and call it righteous anger. I don’t see any example of Jesus pounding on peoples heads every time he saw them. He knew all of the disciples sins, yet we rarely see him pointing them out, even the one who betrayed him. Those people who like to run around pounding and screaming telling themselves they are preaching Gods word but their actions say differently, I stay away from, and so do all the one’s who need to hear what they are trying but failing miserably to convey.

            Micah 6:8
            “He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the LORD require
            of you? To act justly and to love mercy and to walk humbly with your
            God”.

            In this verse God is voicing His disapproval (read the story for yourself, it’s there) of His peoples actions and attitudes towards the heathen. Once we stop being merciful and acting justly, we are also not walking humbly with God.

            That does not mean we don’t tell people, it does mean that we treat them the way God would. He sent His son to die for them, should we treat them with disrespect or self righteous words when we ourselves are caught up on gluttony, lying, porn, etc.? But, you’re free to do what you want, you don’t answer to me.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Correct, I’m not. But I do my best to walk in His Spirit and not the Flesh like you have been doing by your posts.

            Now, let’s take a little look-see at your theology. When Jesus Christ took a whip to the moneychangers and chased them out of the temple who did the raking? When Paul tells the church in Corinth to get rid of the leaven and put the man who was having sex with his stepmother outta the church who did the raking? When God says that His children are to admonish, correct, exhort, reprove, and even rebuke who does the raking?

            “I don’t see any example of Jesus pounding on peoples heads every time he saw them. ”

            You say “every time”. Did he ever? Depending on how you define “pounding” with your sentimental emotionalism the answer to that is yes. Once again you’ve shown that you don’t know the REAL Jesus but have made an idol you call Jesus according to your own image and your own ways, will, and wisdom.

            “Those people who like to run around pounding and screaming telling themselves they are preaching Gods word but their actions say differently, I stay away from, and so do all the one’s who need to hear what they are trying but failing miserably to convey.”

            Oh, you mean like John the Baptist, Jesus Christ, and all His disciples. Got it. You’re right in that all the one’s who need to hear stay away from them but we aren’t failing!! And, moreover, they don’t stay away because of the people preaching God’s Word. Jesus, the REAL Jesus, told us why they stay away:

            “And this is the condemnation: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil. For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed.” (John 3:19-20)

            And God’s Word ALWAYS accomplishes His purposes.

            “so shall my word be that goes out from my mouth;
            it shall not return to me empty,
            but it shall accomplish that which I purpose,
            and shall succeed in the thing for which I sent it.” (Isa. 55:11)

            Twist not Scripture lest you be like Satan who quoted Scripture to Jesus for his own purposes too. You spoke falsely for God. THAT is NOT what God is voicing there. Not even close. Maybe if, and that’s a BIG “if” now, you had read the Book or even the previous chapter you would have gotten the real meaning. When you speak falsely for God, when you twist God’s Word to suit your own ways & wisdom, when you’re disobedient to God YOU are NOT walking humbly with God.

            Oh, there’s the ol’ “self-righteous” accusation coming out. Not surprising. “Self-righteous’ much like the “holier than thou” – is the oh so often touted mantra against someone by those who wish to cling to their sin.

            As for the “disrespect”, you really need to read the synoptic gospels again. Was Jesus being disrespectful when He said, “”You’re a Liar and are of the Devil.” Or “You wicked generation of vipers!” Or “You’re like white-washed sepulchers full of dead men’s bones”. Or “Get behind me Satan!”?

            “That does not mean we don’t tell people, it does mean that we treat them the way God would.”

            Correct. Unfortunately, YOU get that mixed up with as YOU would. Now, I hope you feel better after all that. Easier than confessing and repenting I suppose. I do appreciate you putting that out there for all to see. It’s a GREAT example of the sentimental emotionalism that so infects The Body today.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            And God’s Word ALWAYS accomplishes His purposes.

            “so shall my word be that goes out from my mouth;
            it shall not return to me empty,
            but it shall accomplish that which I purpose,
            and shall succeed in the thing for which I sent it.” (Isa. 55:11)

            Twist not Scripture lest you be like Satan who quoted Scripture to Jesus for his own purposes too. You spoke falsely for God. THAT is NOT what God is voicing there. Not even close. Maybe if, and that’s a BIG “if” now, you had read the Book or even the previous chapter you would have gotten the real meaning. When you speak falsely for God, when you twist God’s Word to suit your own ways & wisdom, when you’re disobedient to God YOU are NOT walking humbly with God.

            Oh, there’s the ol’ “self-righteous” accusation coming out. Not surprising. “Self-righteous’ much like the “holier than thou” – is the oh so often touted mantra against someone by those who wish to cling to their sin.

            As for the “disrespect”, you really need to read the synoptic gospels again. Was Jesus being disrespectful when He said, “”You’re a Liar and are of the Devil.” Or “You wicked generation of vipers!” Or “You’re like white-washed sepulchers full of dead men’s bones”. Or “Get behind me Satan!”?

            “That does not mean we don’t tell people, it does mean that we treat them the way God would.”

            Correct. Unfortunately, YOU get that mixed up with as YOU would. Now, I hope you feel better after all that. Easier than confessing and repenting I suppose. I do appreciate you putting that out there for all to see. It’s a GREAT example of the sentimental emotionalism that so infects The Body today.

  • NewcastleB

    As Christians, what secular people do with their lives isn’t our concern. Our only concern should be that they’re secular! If they choose to be secular, it won’t be their “lifestyle” that will keep them from God. It will be that they’re secular. As Christians, we should be first and really only concerned with what people believe about Christ. That’s all, in the end, what will matter.

    • Royce E. Van Blaricome

      How unloving of you to say it isn’t “our” concern (which includes yourself in whoever the “our” is) as to what secular people do with their lives. You then include yourself as a Christian in the rest of your ungodly counsel. Which leaves me and I imagine others wondering whether you are a Christian.

      Why do you profess to be a Christian? What must occur for one to become a Christian? Here’s is hint: It’s NOT “what people believe about Christ”!!

  • Essie May

    Love Lauren, and love this post!

  • Greg Beech

    Praying for the evanglical right wing that they will discover love and understanding, and for all of us to see the massive logs in our own eyes. Bless Lauren.

    • donnab9656

      I am a Christian and on the right! Please sir choose your words as if God were speaking them, this is not political, and neither was Our Lord and Savior!

      • Greg Beech

        I think what I said is what Jesus says.

        • Mike Wìlliams

          Like when He said, “Repent”?
          Or when He said to the adulteress, “Go and sin no more”?

          That Jesus?

          There is no Christianity without the command to repent. Anything else is Feel-goodism.

        • Royce E. Van Blaricome

          That is what is commonly called “Stinkin’ Thinkin”. I’m an Evangelical and I’d be considered by most to be “on the right”. I don’t need to discover what Love is or Understanding. I am indwelt by the Holy Spirit and belong to Almighty God so that I may know the things freely given by God. Which words I speak. Not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, combining spiritual thoughts with spiritual words.

          And with that I have Love & Understanding.

          • Christ’s Advocate

            I could never imagine Jesus talking the way you are! He is our model of LOVE. He said “Love one another as I have loved you”. He loves everyone unconditionally. We are to “Love our neighbor”. How can a follower of Christ expect every person entering his church to be perfect? As an evangelist, are you not supposed to be sharing the gospel to all? Our Holy Spirit would be giving us words of love to be speaking into the hearts of the wounded; the lost; those who have no idea who Jesus is. We live in a corrupt world, where children are growing up without any knowledge of God or the Bible. Jesus response to those who mocked Him and questioned Him why He would sit among sinners, “it is the sick (the hurting, the rejected, the lost) who need healing.” Jesus Himself looked pass the sins and into the heart of each person. He reaches out with open arms for anyone who calls on His name. He loves and accepts each of us just as we are. He knows the challenges we face daily. He faced the same experiences as He walked the path God chose for Him. He didn’t have to . He loved us so much that He willingly took upon His body our sin- all our sins and carried them to the cross where He suffered and died taking the punishments we each deserved that we could be called children of God. That is the Love He blessed us with–that we become a blessing for others.
            Where is God’s Love shining in your beliefs? I choose to follow Jesus’ example and love everyone.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Of course you couldn’t. Doesn’t fit with the jesus idol you’ve created in your own image according to your own ways, will, and wisdom. Why I bet you skip right over all those passages in the Bible, that is if you actually read it, where Jesus says things like, “You’re a Liar and are of the Devil.” Or “You wicked generation of vipers!” Or “You’re like white-washed sepulchers full of dead men’s bones”. Or “Get behind me Satan!”?

            And spare me the Unconditional Love blather. You have no clue what you’re talking about nor what true Love actually is! I’m curous, have you cut out the passage where Jesus turned over the tables and took a whip to the Moneychangers? How’s that fit with your Unconditional Love picture of Jesus? How about when He hurls the stiffnecked rebel Unbelievers into the Lake Of Fire?

            “How can a follower of Christ expect every person entering his church to be perfect?”

            The same EXACT way Christ does. That said, nobody said anything about that. But you had to bring it up. For what reason? To have an excuse to cling to your sini?

            “As an evangelist, are you not supposed to be sharing the gospel to all? ”

            NO! I guess you missed those instructions by Jesus too. No surprise. Doesn’t fit with your theology or your idol self-made jesus.

            “Our Holy Spirit would be giving us words of love to be speaking into the hearts of the wounded; the lost; those who have no idea who Jesus is. ”

            Yeah, well, would ya like to meet the REAL Holy Spirit? Ya know, the one Jesus said He’d send in John 16:7-8 and what His mission would be?

            And there ya have it folks! The Easy-Believism, Seeker-Sensitive, Man-Centered false gospel that has a Holy Spirit who begs, woo’s, and pleads with Man to come to Him.

            “We live in a corrupt world, where children are growing up without any knowledge of God or the Bible.”

            Boy howdy! You REALLY are Biblically ignorant. Not only that but your unteachable spirit and arrogance is SO astounding that you don’t even realize you just called God a Liar!!

            “”Jesus Himself looked pass the sins and into the heart of each person. ”

            Another utterly Biblically ignorant statement and a lie. For a clue into the actual heart that Jesus sees in EVERY Unbeliever take a little look-see what what Jesus said in Jer. 17:9

            “He reaches out with open arms for anyone who calls on His name.”

            More Biblical ignorance and lies about Jesus.

            “He loves and accepts each of us just as we are.”

            Now you just called Jesus Himself a Liar.

            So that’s enough. You’ve said enough & I’ve wasted enough of my time. You’re clueless and obviously have NO fear of God whatsoever. So I’ll end with this:

            “Where is God’s Love shining in your beliefs?”

            In the truth of every word.

            “I choose to follow Jesus’ example and love everyone.”

            In the jesus of your own making. You are NOT following Jesus and you have NO clue what “love” is. Your sentimental emotionalism is NOT even close to Love.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Of course you couldn’t. Doesn’t fit with the jesus idol you’ve created in your own image according to your own ways, will, and wisdom. Why I bet you skip right over all those passages in the Bible, that is if you actually read it, where Jesus says things like, “You’re a Liar and are of the Devil.” Or “You wicked generation of vipers!” Or “You’re like white-washed sepulchers full of dead men’s bones”. Or “Get behind me Satan!”?

            And spare me the Unconditional Love blather. You have no clue what you’re talking about nor what true Love actually is! Are you at all aware that God says He actually hates some people? Do you seriously think the Love of God for His children is the same as for the Unbeliever? I’m curious, have you cut out the passage where Jesus turned over the tables and took a whip to the Moneychangers? How’s that fit with your Unconditional Love picture of Jesus? How about when He hurls the stiffnecked rebel Unbelievers into the Lake Of Fire? Seriously, giving you the benefit of the doubt, how long have you actually been a Christian or professed to be?

            “How can a follower of Christ expect every person entering his church to be perfect?”

            The same EXACT way Christ does. That said, nobody said anything about that. But you had to bring it up. For what reason? To have an excuse to cling to your sini?

            “As an evangelist, are you not supposed to be sharing the gospel to all? ”

            NO! I guess you missed those instructions by Jesus too. No surprise. Doesn’t fit with your theology or your idol self-made jesus.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            “Our Holy Spirit would be giving us words of love to be speaking into the hearts of the wounded; the lost; those who have no idea who Jesus is. ”

            Yeah, well, would ya like to meet the REAL Holy Spirit? Ya know, the one Jesus said He’d send in John 16:7-8 and what His mission would be?

            And there ya have it folks! The Easy-Believism, Seeker-Sensitive, Man-Centered false gospel that has a Holy Spirit who begs, woo’s, and pleads with Man to come to Him.

            “We live in a corrupt world, where children are growing up without any knowledge of God or the Bible.”

            Boy howdy! You REALLY are Biblically ignorant. Not only that but your unteachable spirit and arrogance is SO astounding that you don’t even realize you just called God a Liar!! Is Romans 1 missing from your Bible too?

            “”Jesus Himself looked pass the sins and into the heart of each person. ”

            Another utterly Biblically ignorant statement and a lie. For a clue into the actual heart that Jesus sees in EVERY Unbeliever take a little look-see what what Jesus said in Jer. 17:9

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            “He reaches out with open arms for anyone who calls on His name.”

            More Biblical ignorance and lies about Jesus.

            “He loves and accepts each of us just as we are.”

            Now you just called Jesus Himself a Liar. Is Matt. 16:24 missing from your Bible too?

            So that’s enough. You’ve said enough & I’ve wasted enough of my time. You’re clueless and obviously have NO fear of God whatsoever. So I’ll end with this:

            “Where is God’s Love shining in your beliefs?”

            In the truth of every word.

            “I choose to follow Jesus’ example and love everyone.”

            In the jesus of your own making. You are NOT following Jesus and you have NO clue what “love” is. Your sentimental emotionalism is NOT even close to Love.

          • Barbara Shearhart

            Again, you replied and ripped apart your own post.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Your self-imposed god-complex exercising its faux-omniscience has failed you miserably. I knew full well what I was doing and I explained it above. SO that is evidence you’re a false accuser and bore false witness. I’m also not full of hatred and, as I just pointed out I was paying attention. Another piece of evidence that you’re a false accuser and bear false witness. Now let’s take a little look-see at what God has to say about you. And it won’t take volumes!

            There are six things that the LORD HATES, seven that are an ABOMINATION to him: haughty eyes, a LYING TONGUE, and hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that make haste to run to evil, a FALSE WITNESS who breathes out LIES and one who sows discord among brothers. (Prov. 6:16-19)

            “A false witness will not go unpunished, And he who tells lies will not escape.” (Prov. 19:5)

            “A false witness will not go unpunished, And he who tells lies will perish.” (Prov. 19:9)

            “For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, FALSE WITNESS, SLANDERS.” (Matt. 5:19)

          • Barbara Shearhart

            Do you realized you replied to your own post here?

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Yes. Posts that are too long tend to get deleted as spam. Read thru the posts you’ll find someone else first brought it up.

      • Royce E. Van Blaricome

        LOL. After the rant you just gave? Talk about a Giant Sequoia Tree sticking outta one’s eye socket!

    • Raymond Monasmith

      Perhaps I should pray that the pseudo-Christian non-evangelical one-foot-in-the-world left wing discover that unpleasantly instructive codex those of us on the “evangelical right wing” take great pains to align our beliefs with…
      See how that works, with the coy name-calling?
      Tell you what, sir, you show me your faith without works, and I will show you my faith by my works — works that are a natural extension of my obsession with being obedient to my Father, being instructed by Scripture taken as Scripture, without any rationalizing-away of the unpleasant bits and parts.
      Love is as love does, says The Lumberjack.

  • donnab9656

    I feel praying for her right now is the answer. Who are we or anyone to judge her? There is only one that has that right, Our Father, God! God has a plan for everyone. He also tests all of us, and most people in this ungodly world fail miserably! Love one another as I have loved you! That is the word of God! If you are judging Lauren instead of lifting her in prayer, you too, are failing a test from the Lord our Savior! We all want the same thing to live a life in eternity. Why then are you going against Gods words and condemning her? Think right now what the devil is putting into your head!! You have to really be mindful of all your thoughts! Thank you Joyce Meyer with that one. If we are all praying for Lauren Daigle the power in prayer will work to help her, if you just want to keep bashing her, you are not doing her or yourself any good!
    Lord I ask you at this time to hwlp Lauren Daigle to not fall victim to the things and flesh of this world. Help her to stand strong in her faith so that she is not afraid to say the truth in Gods words for fear of condemnations. Lord I also ask that you to help other Christians like my self to lift Lauren Daigle in prayer so we together with You Lord can give her strength and support. It is in Jesus name I pray. Amen

    • Royce E. Van Blaricome

      Praying for her is an answer but not the answer. And the answer to your question is… drum roll please… Followers of Jesus Christ. That is if the “we” you refer to is Christians. You emphatic (!) claim is a lie from the Pit Of Hell. Jesus Christ COMMANDS (present tense) His followers TO judge. So therefore we have the “right”. What you do NOT have is the “right” to disobey Him.

      It’s always ironic how those who are so quick to say we don’t have the right to judge then turn around and judge everyone else that they see as judging! LOL Which is what you just did!!

      Don’t worry, you’ll spend Eternity somewhere. Why then are you lying about God? Have you NO fear of God at all? You speak falsely about God and what He says and expect to go to Heaven? You falsely accuse others of Satan putting things in their head because you can’t distinguish between correction and condemnation! And then talk about being mindful of your thoughts? LOL

      Oh brother, Joyce Meyer! Nevermind. That explains everything. Including the rest of your nonsense.

      • Rebekah Ann Curtis

        I am so glad that my salvation is not determined by anything I have done, but solely upon the work of Christ on the cross.

        It’s because of the cross that I want to do good to please my father in heaven, it’s because of the cross that I read the bible, it’s because of the cross that I can have a conversation with God at any point, any time, any hour. And if I do biff it in my flesh, I can confess my sins to Him and He is faithful to cleanse me from all unrighteousness. Because of the cross.

        If I do any good, it’s not me who does it, but Christ in me. Which takes the pressure off of me, and allows me to let Him rule in my life. Doing that simple thing, having the all day conversation with God, listening what He has to say, I find that by loving Him and loving the way He wants me to, I fulfill the law, and it’s not a struggle to do so.

        • Ted Pallas

          Amen sister:)

  • Jay Brese

    She has a Point of View any Christian Should have Yes She Standing up For The Biblical Laws and Christian Values God Bless Lauren Daigle.

    • Royce E. Van Blaricome

      What POV is that? Deflecting from the truth of God’s Word and obeying what Christ has said? I don’t think so!

    • MaxVeritas

      1 Pet 3:15 but sanctify Christ as Lord in your hearts, always being ready to make a defense to everyone who asks you to give an account for the hope that is in you, yet with gentleness and reverence

  • Royce E. Van Blaricome

    Just saw someone mention his comment was deleted & probably due to length. I saw yesterday that my comment was deleted, marked spam, and that they were working to get that corrected but it hasn’t happened yet so I’ll make it again and cut it up in pieces so it hopefully goes thru this time. I’m doing so because it is my hope & prayer that you’ll truly consider what is said.

    “At this point there’s no way she could have answered that question and made everyone happy.”

    Since when is that to be the objective of any Christian? The truth is Christians will make MOST folks unhappy. If Christians aren’t offending others then they aren’t obeying Christ and aren’t following Him. NOT that they should try to be offensive. That’s NOT what I’m saying. Christ offended MOST just by being Himself & doing the will of the Father.

    “She has reached thousands of people with her music.”

    Perhaps. I’m not omniscient so I don’t know. Are you? That said, even if she has it’s not a matter of how many she’s reached but what has she reached them with. Have you noticed in the song that neither Jesus nor even God is mentioned? Satan sends the message to love yourself just as you are. Christ sends the message to die to yourself and become like Him.

    “How many lives have been changed by her music”

    Changed how?

    “who are we to say that her music hasn’t lead people to the Lord….maybe even a homosexual?”

    I don’t know who the “we” is that you speak of but Christians know the answer to that. Christians are followers of the Lord Jesus Christ who have surrendered their lives as a slave to Him as their new Master and so “we” believe what God has said. And Jesus said her music hasn’t lead anyone to the Lord!! See John 6:44.

    • Royce E. Van Blaricome

      “I personally don’t believe it homosexuality is right. I believe the Bible specifically speaks against it. But….as Christian’s shouldn’t we be setting an example instead of condeming one another?”

      You obviously don’t even see the hypocrisy in that statement. What kind of example did Lauren set? And since when does correcting someone turn into condemning them?

      “We are to love one another and pray for one another!!!”

      True. But why did you stop there? We are also to exhort, correct, reprove, & even rebuke one another. Funny how one’s thinking can often be so lopsided. This is most often a result of idolatry where one has created their own god in their own image according to their own ways, will, & wisdom instead of bowing before the One True & Only God for who He is.

      “This deeply sadens me. I feel like she’s under attack by the enemy.”

      Oh boy, another self-professing Christian controlled by their emotions and has built their theology and knowledge of God on Emotionalism & Experientialism. This is one of the MAJOR problems with SO MANY who profess to be Christian. Rather than look at things thru the filter of Scripture they allow their FEELINGS to drive their theology. Dangerous!

      “If he can put one ounce of doubt in the minds of her fans then he can work on them. I can’t help but feel like she was put on the spot and placed in a position she shouldn’t have been put in.”

      Oh, you can help it. You just don’t. Btw, have you considered at all that maybe she was put on the spot and was intentionally done so by God to test her? That said, more likely she put herself in the spot. I didn’t see anyone dragging her onto the stage of either of those shows. Perhaps she went there to sell more CDs. I don’t know. But I do know this: whether she & her Flesh, Satan, the World, or God brought that test to her – she failed.

      “Maybe it was not the best place for her to put herself in ( by appearing on Ellen) we as Christian’s need to practice more grace and less condemnation.”

      Uh, no. What we, as Christians, need to do is just obey God. Speak the truth in love. Give grace when appropriate and call sin for what it is. That’s NOT “condemnation”. Christians don’t “condemn” anyone. We can say without reservation, however, that someone is already condemned. (Jn 3:19-20) For example, when one confessed to any other gospel than the Gospel, denies Christ, or practices sin.

  • Virginia Burdette

    True Christians are the light of the world ! We are to shine in the darkness of this world and let the world see our faith,hope and love among the Christians in a dying world infiltrated with hate, self righteousness ,pride and all the other sins the Bible says.We are to be separate from non believers and come out from among them. We are to love the sinners but not the sins of the carnal flesh. Our hearts are to be of a one spiritual unity in the Lord and not the division of demonic forces in condemning one another!We are to love one another and the Bible says; many are called,but few are chosen. In the end of times the Bible speaks that few will enter the kingdom of Heaven. As we near the soon return of our Lord I pray that eyes will be opened and the Lord puts clean hearts to those who truly believe and love the Lord! There is only one judge and that’s God.For every knee will bow and confess that He is the Lord!

    • Royce E. Van Blaricome

      What does Jesus say about “division” in Matt. 10? Why do you equate correction, exhortation, reproof, and even a rebuke with condemnation? And yes, while there is only one Ultimate Judge (there are many others) Christ COMMANDS His followers TO judge.

  • Jay Brese

    Lauren Daigle is Hope of JESUS Christ in a faltering World Terribly Lost in Sin She is Inspirational and Magnificent in Gods Eyes and Should Be to The Wordly people to. If Your Standing against Lauren Daigle You’re Standing Against GOD HIMSELF GOD IS USING HER FOR HIS OWN PURPOSES. Once Again GOD BLESS LAUREN DAIGLE.

    • MaxVeritas

      How has she given an account for the hope that lies within her Jay?
      1 Pet 3:15 but sanctify Christ as Lord in your hearts, always being ready to make a defense to everyone who asks you to give an account for the hope that is in you, yet with gentleness and reverence;

  • Vicki Heist

    I’ve always held the belief, from the scriptures, that we are first and foremost, called to LOVE one another. What that looks like, from one Christian to another? Has always been up for speculation and rebuttal. I for one, have taught my boys to love as Jesus would love. Judgement and getting someone to turn their heart towards God has never been because if “us”, but only he because of HIM. If Lauren can walk in those circles and “love on” people, then God bless her. My prayers are with her..

    • MaxVeritas

      You like too many professing Christians have it backwards.Christians don’t put the love cart before the horse, when it comes to loving the LGBT folks or anyone else our first love is to be God. Matt 22:37-39
      37.Jesus declared, “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ 38. This is the first and greatest commandment. 39. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’… To aid & abet any sin against God is not loving him, the sinner or ones self as teaching unbelief in God is sin.
      John 16:8-9 8. When he (The Holy Spirit) comes, he will prove the world to be in the wrong about sin & righteousness & judgment: 9. about sin, because people do not believe in me. To close, the fact is that simply attending a pride parade or so-called same-sex wedding in support is aiding their sin against God.

      • Vicki Heist

        Lol… your reply is exactly what I expected…your “type” were back in the day AND still are the ones that close church doors to those who need to see the doors opened and to feel welcomed and be able to freely receive the grace of God…you wag your finger and stand in judgement….and such a scholar of the scriptures! to boot…you must be so proud of yourself… I can love on those that you consider “undesirable” and “sinful”..and when we all stand before God, I believe we will be judged on our LOVE…but that’s just me… good luck to you, Max, and your “Christian” journey…we all must do as we feel Good leads us…and that is what I feel the scriptures tell me..

        • MaxVeritas

          It sure seems that you really don’t care what the scripture say’s if it disagrees with your pov. Here’s what Paul has to say about Christians judging Christians. 1 Cor 5:9-12 I wrote you in my letter not to associate with immoral people; 10 I did not at all mean with the immoral people of this world, or with the covetous and swindlers, or with idolaters, for then you would have to go out of the world. 11 But actually, I wrote to you not to associate with any so-called brother if he is an immoral person, or covetous, or an idolater, or a reviler, or a drunkard, or a swindler—not even to eat with such a one. 12 For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Do you not judge those who are within the church?
          Also for your consideration some thoughts on judgment. All of life is based on our judgments, it’s impossible to avoid them. I try to discern God’s truth from Satan’s error as I travel lifes trails. Jesus didn’t forbid judgment, he rightly defined how it should be used, that being in a righteous manner, not hypocritically.
          For further edification:
          1 cor 2:15 The person with the Spirit makes judgments about all things, but such a person is not subject to merely human judgments,
          1Cor 6:2-3 Do you not know that the saints will judge the world? And if you are to judge the world, are you not competent to judge trivial cases? Do you not know that we will judge angels? How much more the things of this life!
          Prov. 3:21 My son, preserve sound judgment and discernment, do not let them out of your sight;
          John 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge with righteous judgment.
          Jeremiah. 22:3 Thus saith the LORD; Execute ye judgment and righteousness…
          Phil. 1:10 so that you may be able to discern [judge] what is best and may be pure and blameless until the day of Christ

          • Vicki Heist

            Wow…. all I can say to you, Max…is I will pray for you. Regardless if what scriptures you have pulled out… Judgement is in the hands if God ONLY. And if you think for a moment that you are in a position to judge anyone? Wow… you have missed your calling. Please do not reply to my response. I’m done with anything else you have to say to me directly. We can disagree. We’ll never agree. And that’s fine with me..

          • MaxVeritas

            Again you fail to comprehend spiritual truth as you are the one who appears to not have the “Mind of Christ” through the indwelling Holy Spirit nor does Lauren.
            1 Cor 2:11-16

            11 For who knows a person’s thoughts except their own spirit within them? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God.
            12 What we have received is not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may understand what God has freely given us.
            13 This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, explaining spiritual realities with Spirit-taught words.
            14 The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit.
            15 The person with the Spirit makes judgments about all things, but such a person is not subject to merely human judgments,
            16 for, “Who has known the mind of the Lord so as to instruct him?”But we have the mind of Christ.

  • Kathg Dianda

    Well spoken Lauren

  • Geoffrey Shubert

    I think we have to question the whole Christian celebrity cult which grows up around people who are music makers. In marketing their art I think boundaries often have to be crossed which probably shouldn’t be, and this is especially true for young women in the industry. I cannot understand how being “shamefaced” and “modest” can possibly fit into the role of a successful performing artist where you have to wear make up which emphasizes any natural beauty, so people will want to take a second look at you, or cultivate a deliberate image which plays to peoples’ fantasies or show some skin or dress in tight form fitting clothes, in order to get exposure and market your record labels. Lauren is not a “keeper at home” looking after her husband and child who has unaccountably suddenly changed direction in life. She is living in the real world and has already made many hard choices with regard to her image and her friends and contacts in order to further her music career. The surprise here would have been if she had deliberately committed career suicide, which would have most assuredly happened if she had uttered an outright condemnation of homosexuality.

  • Barbara Shearhart

    I’m sure, like all of us, she’s learned the hard way. She’ll be better prepared next time….if other believers allow her to live that is.

    • Royce E. Van Blaricome

      More evidence of your heart (Matt. 15:18). Ya can always tell the Poser when they excuse & justify sin while simultaneously flinging their flaming arrows and followers of Christ.

    • The General

      Allow her to “live”? Seriously? You think people are trying to kill her?

      Sheesh.

      • Barbara Shearhart

        It’s an expression. “Allow her to live”, meaning emotionally and spiritually. I did not realize that some would not understand the expression. Christians do attack their wounded and generally show no mercy.

  • azsxdcf1

    Thank you, Dr. Brown,
    I agree with you 100%…. and I will pray (AM praying) for Lauren to allow The Holy Spirit to reveal His Truth into her heart.

  • Heather Hookstratten

    I want to say this is ridiculous. All of it. Laura has an opportunity to promote her works, she did. She worshipped! Period end of story. Who said sh ever had to master interviews flawlessly? She is a worshipper folks and people interviewing are probing. Have you ever heard that if you look long enough for something bad, you will find it? Consider the source. Entertainment industry thrives off having something to talk about. They profit from it! Christians judging someone being the hands and feet of Jesus and answering a question from an interview in a less than “christianease ideal” is hypocritical at best. She is a creative you adult that worships. Who made her into a theological journalist? Churches are hospitals, we take in the sick and help them recover. Laura’s mission was the mission field and sharing the word “in love” and not “judgement” or “law.” It was not her role to throw a book and “holy art thou ye sinner” at either of the hosts, nor was it her place to judge or get on any media bandwagon calling people out for living differently or having different views than hers. I do not even understand how people can publish and argue any of this. If more people were able to share the love of Christ unconditionally and LOVE ONE ANOTHER, then we would not sit amongst any lessor and first give preference to the other in humility. There will always be fallen and we must always consider that at one point and time we were at that place – fallen, broken, lost, etc. We would not have wanted that judgement when we were blinded by our own transgressions, so would you? If a person walking in sin doesn’t understand and can’t see their own sin as such, then they will not comprehend or agree with something they are blinded to. Expecting a musician to flawlessly deliver answers rated to create controversy and ratings is not realistic. She is human! It is connection to the fathers love that creates a opening to surrender, not one of those In Sunday’s best thumping a bible in their face saying repent and casting them out as if they are not worthy. Don’t you think building a relationship of trust and being relatable would work a bit better? No that was not what people were looking for was the obvious. Laura loved and worshiped and planted seed. That was all she was to do. Anyone judging should put their money where their mouth is and bless someone with encouragement and affirmation rather than being entrapped by the enemy and murmuring about something they themselves were not willing to do themselves. That is just as bad as someone at church asking for prayer from a disciple and the disciple walking that person over to the pastor to have him pray instead of doing it themself. Be about what you talk so boldly about! Power of the tongue and applied servanthood. Humility and meekness. No weapons formed against her shall prosper in Jesus name. May her blessings be plentiful and lives continue to be touched. Let’s be honest, who expected Laura Dangle to go on either of these shows with any other outcome? Haters gonna hate. My question remains “why is it the “Christians” fueling negativity and blame? My god loves unconditionally. “It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres. Love never fails.” ‭‭1 Corinthians‬ ‭13:5-8‬ ‭NIV‬‬

  • Pastor Clay Walker

    As i said in my response to you on Twitter, I agree with MOST of what you’re saying. Where my disagreement with you comes is in this area: I believe her answer was very calculated, not “fudged.” She gave a very politically correct answer to not offend her crossover audience. And that is evident where she states that she had too many people that she loved that are homosexual. So in other words, she would allow those folks to believe that her silence somehow justifies them being homosexual.

    I have people that I love that have committed all sorts of improper behavior. But my love or other feeling for them does not, in any way, enhance or diminish the nature of the behavior. If a relative of mine commits murder, as much as I love them, if I am asked whether I believe murder is a sin, my answer will be a definitive YES! The same should apply to her in this case.

  • kinderman

    What if she said “Marriage is wonderful”? This contradicts Luke 34:35: “Jesus replied, ‘The people of this age marry and are given in marriage. But those who are considered worthy of taking part in the age to come and in the resurrection from the dead will neither marry nor be given in marriage” (NRSV, the one that isn’t deliberately mistranslated). And yet there wouldn’t be a controversy among Christians if she said “Marriage is wonderful.” This isn’t about faithfulness to the Bible, it’s about hating gays. Christians are upset because they hate gays and she’s supposed to be one of them and she doesn’t hate gays well enough. That’s what this debacle is. And it’s almost comical how seriously Christians are taking this, as if she’s become a prostitute.

    Brown boasts, “It’s very possible that no evangelical leader has written more books and articles on LGBT issues in the last decade than me.” This is Trump-level narcissism and self-importance. Seriously, he thinks this is an accomplishment? Not tending to the sick, feeding the hungry, giving to the poor, etc., but spewing out a bunch of anti-gay stuff? That’s the hill he wants to die on? It almost reads like he’s bragging about being superior to Daigle, as if how anti-gay you are determines how good a person you are. That’s a sickening conception of morality.

    • Jim

      Disagreement does not equal hate. A drunk has a lifestyle that is detrimental to his physical, mental,emotional and spiritual health, yet if he is told this, no one considers it hate. Hatred would let him go on and drive his car into oncoming traffic. Love says, give me the keys.
      How arrogant you are! How do you know what Dr. Brown does to help the poor, sick, widows and orphans? Are you privy to his bank account? Are you omniscient enough to have information none of us has? The answer would obviously be NO! In your anger over being told that something is wrong, like a petulant child, you throw a tantrum and, lacking knowledge or ability to refute the argument, resort to attacking his character.
      As to your straw man argument, while both Jesus and Paul advocate a celibate lifestyle as acceptable and even commendable, neither condemns marriage. Both also affirm the goodness of marriage between a man and a woman. Stop taking scripture out of context to justify your support of sin.

      • kinderman

        Jesus says those who marry are not considered worthy of the resurrection in Luke. That’s what he says. There is no context being removed. And Paul certainly wanted everyone to be single as him. He only wanted people to marry as a last resort if people are too consumed with lust (which is beautiful by the way, don’t you think?). And I’m not using the text to “support sin,” I’m using the text to show Christians are hypocrites who ignore things in the Bible they don’t like, as you’re doing now.

        Being a drunk is not the same as being gay. What if I compared your relationship with your wife to being a drunk? You blast me for “not knowing” about Brown, and yet you just assume that every gay person is like a drunk and every gay relationship is like getting drunk. How many gay people have you met? And you also pull out some variation of, “I just love them and am trying to save them.” This is a load of garbage. From your comparison of them to drunks, it’s clear you’ve never gotten anywhere close to a gay person. You don’t love people if you avoid them, won’t listen to them, and make wrong assumptions about them.

        • Jim

          First, you are taking the statements about marriage out of context. Jesus is rebuking church leaders who are trying to trap him with a gotcha question about a ridiculously hypothetical situation in which Levirate law is taken to the extreme. Jesus is clearly speaking about what happens after the resurrection, not as a general rule for earth. Paul also states that if you are single to stay single and married you should stay married and he expressed those thoughts based on his belief that the return of Christ Jesus was so close at hand that the energy spent in changing marital status was wasted.
          Your assumption that I have no contact with homosexuals is completely uninformed. I have worked with them, I went to school with them and I am friends with some of them.
          From your failure to get the analogy, it is clear that you have never really read the Bible,which

          • kinderman

            In Matthew and Mark, Jesus says there is no marriage after the resurrection. In Luke, he says those who marry aren’t worthy of the resurrection. There is a discrepancy. Just reading all three versions side-by-side will show this, unless you’re reading a purposeful mistranslation of Luke. And as for Paul, yes, he did believe the end was near, hence his beliefs on marriage. Clearly, he was wrong.

            Speaking of Paul being wrong, he is wrong to refer to drunkenness and homosexuality in general as sinful. It’s not that I don’t “get” your analogy, it’s that your analogy is false. You claim to be “friends” with homosexuals, yet you are clearly prejudiced against them to think of their relationships, en masse, as being similar to drunkenness. Again, what if I compared your relationship with your wife to drunkenness? What you aren’t getting is that gay couples in general aren’t any different, essentially, from their straight counterparts. And again, you can’t really love someone while holding prejudice against them and refusing to let go of your false assumptions of them.

            Physically harmful? Sure, if you’re irresponsible and lascivious. Not all gay people are. Spiritually harmful? You know what’s really spiritually harmful? Being prejudiced. I don’t care if it’s Bible-supported prejudice, it’s still prejudice.

          • Stephen S.

            There are none so blind as those who aren’t willing to see!

          • kinderman

            Oh wow, you totally destroyed everything I said. Good job.

          • Jim

            First, your arrogance is astounding. By what authority, ither than your opinions and feelings are you condemning the Apostle Paul’s writing? In doing so, you also are disagreeing with Jesus and Moses as well as twenty centuries of church teaching based on the Bible and the accumulated wisdom of centuries of teaching and experience.
            Now, back to your textual issue. There are rules for interpreting the Bible text and one is that it doesn’t contradict itself. You claim it does since the Bible affirms marriage as good and proper and always as a heterosexual covenant relationship. That means that you are misreading the text. Let me give you a clearer translation: “But those who are counted worthy to take part in that age and in the resurrection f the dead neither marry nor are given in marriage. For they cannot die anymore, because they are like the angels and are sons of God, since they sons of the resurrection.” (Holman Christian Standard Bible) The wording is slightly different, but the meaning is clearer, yet the same as the King James, and it doesn’t violate the rules of biblical interpretation. If Jesus had been condemning marriage, his opponents would not have commeded him as they do at the end of the chapter since every sect of the Jews believed in marriage. If your reading were the correct one, why do they not respond by questioning him and his wisdom?
            Homosexual lifestyles are physically harmful in any context. It shortens your lifespan, and homosexuals tend to self report as being less satisfied and happy than heterosexuals. Even if it didn’t affect you physically, the Bible is clear that it is spiritually harmful, that it is sin and that it disqualifies you from partaking of Heaven.
            If you want to discuss prejudice, how about your prejudice against anyone who disagrees with you? You are willing to project hate against anyone who doesn’t agree with your worldview without any evidence other than your feelings to lead you.

          • kinderman

            “It’s the Bible, you have to agree with it” is a stupid premise. Also, I’ve never disagreed with anything Jesus is reported to have said. As for Moses, I assume you believe he wrote the first five books of the OT, which any decent person should largely disagree with anyway. Church teaching? Why should I agree with it? What makes it right? You ask by what authority I disagree with Paul and, supposedly, all these other people. I might ask by what logic you think all these people are infallible, besides your own opinions and feelings. Appealing to tradition is fallacious. So what if it’s old? It doesn’t mean it’s right.

            “The Bible doesn’t contradict itself” is just plain untrue. I can’t help you if you believe in things that are false. Also, how do you know all of Jesus’s opponents agreed with him in the passage you futilely claim doesn’t say what it says? The text says “some” of the scribes commend him, not all. It also says they said this because “they no longer dared to ask him another question.” They “commend” him because they don’t want to keep talking to him, not because they really agree.

            Once again, you are prejudiced against gay people and misinformed about them and think this is excused by the Bible. It’s not. “It shortens your lifespan.” What an incredibly broad statement. What are you even referring to? Diseases? You are aware not all gay people are so reckless, promiscuous, etc. as to get diseases, right? You are appealing to stereotypes, which you believe in based on your feelings. “Homosexuals tend to self report as being less satisfied and happy.” Maybe because you misrepresent them as being, as a whole, like drunks? Maybe because you refuse to judge them as individuals? There’s a reason they’re stigmatized, and it’s not because they’re all like drunks, as you implied earlier. Also, this is another incredibly broad statement. Every homosexual in the world is not miserable. “Spiritually harmful”? Based on what? I don’t care if “it’s in the Bible.” I need a reason. And I need a reason why the “context” of gay relationships don’t matter. Why is it that a gay person can be happy and in a stable relationship and disease free and perfectly good to others and still be spiritually corrupt? The belief that gay sex or even gay affection, of all things, just eats away at your soul is incredibly stupid and is based in a deep and completely irrational resentment for homosexuals based on one’s own feelings and personal insecurities. Ironically, this stigmatization of homosexuals by insecure and brainwashed individuals like yourself is what truly dirties one’s soul.

            Jim, I’m not talking to you anymore. Go ahead and whine that I hate you. I’m not prejudiced against you. You’ve made it clear who you are – someone who desperately believes in religion and desperately believes in anti-gay stereotypes and has no care in the world as to the negative consequences such beliefs will have on others. Go elsewhere on this page and keep bashing Lauren Daigle and vomiting out anti-gay propaganda to your heart’s content, because it’s clear I can’t stop you. Us moral people in this world will continue to seek justice and truth while you do so.

  • MaxVeritas

    The question was a purposed setup. The true question should have been, does God define homosexuality as sin, not what she defines it as.

    • Stephen S.

      What?? If she is a believer…then she should “define” sin in the exact same way God does. If you are choosing your own definition then you need to examine yourself to see if you are in the faith!

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