The message of Jesus leads to liberation while the message of Muhammad leads to subjugation.

By Michael Brown Published on June 23, 2017

The key difference between Christianity and Islam is the difference between Jesus and Muhammad. Jesus was a spiritual leader who laid down His life to save the world. Muhammad was a spiritual leader, who became a political leader, then a violent military leader. Jesus accomplished His mission by dying on the cross. Muhammad accomplished his mission (at least largely) by ruling by the sword.

There are, of course, great similarities between the world’s two largest religions. Both point to a holy book, allegedly inspired by God, for faith and practice. Both call for high moral standards and serious personal commitment. Both share common traditions, since Muhammad learned from Jews as well as Christians. And both have a vision to spread their faith around the world.

But this is where the two faiths diverge. One follows the example of a crucified and risen Savior. The other follows the example of a prophet and military leader.

Cross vs. Sword

The biblical verses of violence (as in “Kill the Canaanites”) were limited to a specific place and time. No such commands are found on Jesus’ lips. The Quranic verses of violence (as in “Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them”) do not have such obvious limitations. Many Quranic interpreters and Islamic jurists claim that those verses cannot be applied indiscriminately today. But others differ. And they proudly cite them in their jihadi manuals.

Again, the difference is that of the cross versus the sword. That’s why Jesus and His followers never established the death penalty for leaving the faith. Muhammad established it once he assumed military dominance. And the death penalty for apostasy from Islam remains in force in a number of Islamic countries today.

Muhammad beheaded some of his enemies. Jesus forbade His followers from taking up the sword in His defense.

Muhammad beheaded some of his enemies. Jesus forbade His followers from taking up the sword in His defense. The differences are glaring and clear.

Just compare the teachings of Jesus in the Gospels with those of Muhammad in the Hadith. Jesus never calls for violent acts against enemies of the faith. Muhammad often does. That’s why there’s no gospel (or apostolic) equivalent to the lengthy collection of Muhammad’s military raids.

Exception vs. Expression 

The most tolerant expressions of Islam are found when: 1) Muslims are the minority in a country, as in America; or 2) the Muslim-dominated country is quite secular, as in Indonesia. In strictly observant Muslim countries, there is limited tolerance for non-Muslims.

If you don’t believe me, try setting up a public Christian mission to Muslims in Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Afghanistan or Iran. Tell me how long it lasts.

I do commend those Muslims who call for a more tolerant expression of their faith. They abhor the terrorism carried out in the name of their religion. But if they’re honest, they will have to admit that violent Islam has a long and rich history.

To quote the noted Catholic scholar of Islam Samir Kahlil Samir,

I speak about the violence expressed in the Qur’ān and practiced in Muhammad’s life in order to address the idea, widespread in the West, that the violence we see today is a deformation of Islam. We must honestly admit that there are two readings of the Qur’ān and the sunna (Islamic traditions connected to Muhammad): one that opts for the verses that encourage tolerance toward other believers, and one that prefers the verses that encourage conflict. Both readings are legitimate.

Acts of violence carried out to advance the Christian faith are the extreme exception to the rule. Acts of violence carried out to advance the Islamic faith are all too common.

Liberation vs. Subjugation 

When it comes to freedom of religion, a country like America, drawing on Judeo-Christian principles, has allowed this liberty from its founding. And in a country like England, which also has a rich Christian history (despite its current backslidden state), Muslims can practice their religion freely. They can even proselytize non-Muslims.If Muslims became the majority religion in England, it would be a different story. Non-Muslims would become second-class citizens. They would have limited freedoms (like Christians in Pakistan), unless they converted to Islam.

It is the difference between the cross and the sword.

It is true that both faiths seek to spread their message by disseminating information. Both faiths point to the sublime message of their founders. But the message of Jesus leads to liberation while the message of Muhammad leads to subjugation.

Again, I know there are honorable Muslims who seek to reform their faith. Some of them believe they are being true to the real spirit of their faith.

But there’s a reason that, in general, true Christians are persecuted by true Muslims rather than true Muslims persecuted by true Christians. It’s the difference between the cross and the sword.

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  • missy

    The key differences between Christianity and Islam is simple – the Christian doctrine advocates LOVE and the islamic doctrine proclaims HATE

    • stan schmunk

      Prove it.

      • missy

        Read the Bible and teachings in the Quran/hadiths then watch the escalating (Muslim) persecutions occurring almost daily in the news somewhere in the world. Judeo/Christian culture and values are almost polar opposites compared to Islam ideology. The Quran has at least 109 verses proclaiming Muslims to war with non-believers (infidels). Every 12th verse of Islam’s Quran proclaims or speaks to Allah’s hatred for non-Muslims or calls for their death, forced conversion or subjugation (e.g. Sula 8:12 – ‘I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them’ (5:33) ‘the punishment of those who wage war against Allah and his messenger and strive to make mischief in the land is only this, that they should be murdered or crucified or their hands and their feet should be cut off on opposite sides or they should be imprisoned; this shall be as a disgrace for them in this world, and in the hereafter they shall have chastisement’ (2:216) ‘fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not’). Muslim believers hate it that most Christians support Israel. Islam is a religion of sharia law, submission, fear, punishments and demands total surrender or submission (calls
        on all unbelievers to convert to Islam or it conquers the unbelievers). Infidels are to be humiliated, oppressed, denied rights protection and either forced to convert, pay a religious tax (jizyah) or be killed. Islam never gives up what it conquers (including religion, language, culture or life). Assumption is Islam is perfect and it cannot be criticized. Violence is so deep-rooted in Islam, it has never stopped being at war with other religions or itself (Sunni vs Shia). Radical Islamic terrorism is all hate – of all that Christians believe, stand up for, hope and love. They hate our freedoms, they hate the message of Christ’s love and our tolerance for other religious worship freedoms for all. Their overall goal is to bring the entire world under submission and subjugation to the Quran and Islamic sharia law. Christians are to love our enemies and our neighbors and win them over through love, compassion and giving. Luke 6:27 – ‘but I say unto you which hear, love your enemies, do good to them that hate you’ (28) ’bless them that curse you and pray for them that despitefully use you’ (35) ‘but love your enemies and do good and lend, hoping for nothing again and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for He is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil’ (36) be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful (37) judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned; forgive and ye shall be forgiven’. I am a Christian and I will never sell my soul or my freedom to worship the one and only true God – Jesus Christ. Christianity is light and Islam is darkness.

    • Phoenix

      The key differences between Christianity and Islam- Christians hate Muslims and doesn’t admit their mistakes and the way that they ruined the world, while Muslims has no replies and doesn’t refute to Christians badmouthing them cause they know it’s a waste of time.

  • Spot on. The best succinct way to highlight the differences between Christianity and Islam is with this sentence: Christ dies to start Christianity; Mohammed killed to start Islam. Everything stems from those two mythos, mythos being a story line from which religious thoughts are derived.

  • John Sloan

    Both Christianity and Islam have ‘reset buttons’. For instance when a liberal Christian ‘pushes’ the button they find the cross and the grace to die to self. When a liberal Muslim pushes the ‘button’ they find the sword and the power to kill others.

  • Grumpy4456

    The Catholic Scholar ignores a very important aspect of the reading of the Qu’ran and the Sunna and that is abrogation. Everything that follows overrules that which has come before. Islamic religious writings began peacefully when Muhammad was in Mecca and Islam was weak but grew fearsome as Muhammad gained power in Medina.

  • sanpala

    Good message by Michael Brown. I’m not sure why he added the quote from the Catholic scholar, Samir’s thought was already conveyed in the article therefore not needed. In my view it would have been better to leave it out.

  • Howard Rosenbaum

    While Christianity is popularly viewed as one of the “worlds great religions” in reality it really isn’t. Semantics aside , there is nothing comparable in the realm of human experience to compare w/the Christian faith. Islam is a “great world religion”. The word “great” here having no primary significance other than the number of constituents it claims worldwide. So while I would affirm the valid argument Mr Brown outlines , I am always a bit uncomfortable w/the limitations the word “religion” connotes . Jesus didn’t rise from the dead to bring us a great religion. His resurrection brought us into a Great family of which God presides over w/the a fatherly compassion. So much so that this God is best known to his children as Father. Believers are known as sons & daughters. No religion can
    make either claim ….

    • john appleseed

      *sigh*
      I get sooo weary of the constant assault on the word “religion” by those who apparently have not read James 1:27.
      God loves religion!
      God only opposes false religion, like Islam.

      • Howard Rosenbaum

        No disrespect , but God loves people . He doesn’t love concepts, ideology ,
        semantics or even pizza. The word religion in the verse you noted refers to
        practical application or service towards others. What we as believers are privileged to partake of is a whole lot greater than a religious expression or experience. Islam is not a “false religion”. It is a systematic political & religious ideology which promotes the self interests of it’s followers . The fact that it propagates untruths regarding God & His will towards humanity does not negate it’s “great religion” status.

        • The Evangelical

          “God loves people” is a bit too narrow of a definition. God is glorified in concepts, ideas, and all good things that He has equipped us to generate. That includes how we worship, systematic theology, practical application, and service to others.

          I think you are making it more complicated than it is. There a lots of religions, but only Christianity is the true religion that leads to salvation. What else would we call it? The only “personal relationship”? The only “transcendental state of being and experience”? Religion is a perfectly fine descriptor of all facets of what Christianity is, while noting that Christianity teaches that all other religions are false.

          • Howard Rosenbaum

            Sure , everyone outside of the faith considers religion the appropriate label for Christianity. In that context calling what we believers embrace
            a religion is inevitable in the secular vernacular. Colleges offer courses in comparative religion. They usually don’t acknowledge the superiority of the Christian faith in relationship to all other faiths. Perhaps it’s not their place to do so. The absence of a resurrected redeemer in all other religions places Christianity both conceptually, ideologically & pragmatically a world apart. There is no biblical prohibition mandated against the use of the “religion” word when referencing Christianity. There is also no precedent scripturally for referencing Christianity in a religious context. Therefore my preference when discussing my faith w/others is outside the religious paradigm. Most unbelievers oppose Christianity on the basis of it being a religion. Something relegated to history. Something not too relevant to their worldview. Sure, thats an oversimplification , but seemingly true nevertheless. So, since the Christian faith transcends all others in terms of its reach, impact & origin, I’ll avoid the terminology the world uses to categorize this “peculiar relationship w/a Living God. At least when I have the option to do so. So what do I call this if not “religion” ? How about a relationship. How do I categorize this unique relationship ? Why categorize it ? It’s a phenomena in a class by itself …

          • Kirby

            I will make one point. “Relationship” defines a single (albeit important) characteristic of the religion of Christianity. The use of the term “religion” gives a heads up that the general discussion is going to be chiefly about God/god and His/his/her relationship with man.
            Christianity has many superior attributes as does its Creator/God over that of other religions, but the general topic is till about religion.

          • Howard Rosenbaum

            Right. Were I to fill out an application where the question of “your religion” requires choosing from a list of options then perhaps semantics is not so much the issue. Their interest in which box I check off is negligible . Excepting in cases where they may find cause to discriminate against a segment of society deemed less “politically correct” & consequently less advantageous to the politically correct perception they are seeking to create. Yes, relationship is a “single characteristic ” of Christianity. In fact it’s paramount where the God who prefers the name “Father” above all others seems to be concerned. This was the preferred title Jesus employed when addressing God. So relationship seems to be THE single most important criteria regarding this so precious a faith . Certainly where God “The Father” is concerned. Yeah Christianity is sort of a family thing. Even more than it is a religion thing. I will concede that where secular society is concerned , Christianity is apparently considered one of the “worlds great religions”. Whatever that really is supposed to mean. I will also concur w/your take on the practicality of the “R” word. I suppose the distinction I tried to make between the Religious expression of those “of whom the whole family in heaven & earth is named” & a less sterile yet more passionate appraisal of that concept will always seem a bit convoluted. Regardless the bottom line where our witness is concerned should hopefully transcend what may be otherwise perceived by the uninitiated as irrelevant or worse a threat to the “common good”. As for the potential for joy thats reciprocated through the liberty provided us by the “Love of God, the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ & the fellowship of the Holy Spirit” – well there just is nothing too “religious “about that ….

    • The Evangelical

      Christianity is a religion in the proper sense of the word; and, in fact, it’s the only correct religion. Just because the secular world has used the word “religion” in a negative sense to refer to oppressive, unsaving, laws and rules doesn’t mean that we need to accept their definition.

      • Howard Rosenbaum

        There are very few english translations of the word “religion” from the original languages of the scripture, in both testaments. There are ample references to the concept of mans relationship w/God & Gods relationship w/us , which denotes the “proper” biblical context of the religion word. Christianity is much more about grace & corresponding faith than it is about behavior, as essential as that is. So we might say that the biblically implied usage of this word is best understood in the light of God’s compassionate provision of His many graces offered us & our God given capacity to reciprocate w/faith. So, I would challenge the consideration you suggest regarding the secularist hijacking of a word that has basically been theirs all along. We who profess the Christian faith perhaps are really the culprits when it comes to borrowing a concept somewhat foreign to the biblical narrative of grace & truth while everyone else , as you imply , lump all systems of theological concern into one big melting pot. Sure, the gold will separate from the dross, but watch your fingers when you pull it out of the sludge …

        • The Evangelical

          The word “religion” is simply used to describe systematic practices and beliefs surrounding the worship of deity or the supernatural. It’s simply a descriptor. Christianity fits neatly in that definition. We engage in worship, ordinances (sacraments), and possess a set of systematic beliefs regarding the Gospel. Every religion has different focuses, but all would meet the this definition.

          Just because the word wasn’t used during Biblical times doesn’t mean it isn’t an accurate description of what we do. The word “Trinity” doesn’t appear in the Bible, and yet it’s a clear dividing line between true Christian religion and heresy.

          The secular usage of the word is adding a negative connotation specifically meant to attack religions with an emphasis on systematic theology. This is due to the secularist’s preferences of mysticism, feelings, and experiences over sacred writings that they may have disagreements with.

          • Howard Rosenbaum

            Language is never static. As cultures progress (or digress) their communication among themselves does so also. While the concept of a thing may remain constant, its application may not always do so. Religion as a concept as you allude is not subject to different interpretations. However, the application of that venerable concept can & does. You know, “one mans trash is another mans treasure ” ….

          • Kirby

            Terrific discussion between you two. Well done.

    • Charles Burge

      I know that people quibble over semantics, but I would argue that Christianity isn’t a religion at all. Religion is mankind’s attempt to either coerce, or win the approval of whatever force(s) he believes controls of the universe. But Christianity isn’t human-initiated. It teaches that God Himself initiated the process of reconciliation and redemption through Jesus’ birth and sacrifice, because mankind isn’t able to get into a right relationship with God through our own efforts. This is unique among all belief systems, and it’s what sets Christianity apart.

      • azsxdcf1

        Thank you, Charles. I was reading down, and down, and trying to formulate words to “set everybody straight” when I read YOUR comments… and thought: ” enough said right here!”

  • Dant e

    The key difference is that God is the author of one, the Way the Truth and the Life, the enemy of all life satan via sinful man is the author of the other, the path to lies, robbery and death.

  • davidrev17

    Great analysis as usual Dr. Brown, in this tragically MISunderstood area.

    However, I just thought I’d mention another KEY (no insurmountable!) difference between the lives of Yeshua/Jesus of Nazareth, and that of Muhammad – not to mention any other member of the species H@#o sapiens that’s ever walked this planet – was/is the historical fact that Jesus’ tomb was EMPTY “…on the third day, according to the Scriptures” (1 Cor. 15:4). Big, big difference!

  • Much of what Michael Brown is saying may be true. Unfortunately it doesn’t point toward constructive ways of addressing the problem.

    I would like to see more attention to what Christians can do to encourage peaceful Muslims to prevent violence originating from the fringes of their community. The strongest defense against violence by members of any group should come from its own members. For example, Christians can and should be most effective at discouraging anti-abortion terrorism by people who have some association with Christianity.

    Similarly Muslims can and should be the most concerned about violence by people who claim a connection to their religion. First, for basic humanitarian reasons as so well expressed in the Quran (5:32), “if anyone killed a person … it would be as if he killed all mankind.” (Yes I am deliberately omitting context in this quote.)

    Second, because the great visibility and incredible savagery of many of the attacks cause people to think such violence is characteristic of most or all Muslims rather than a small minority of fanatics. This year Britain has already suffered three horrific terrorist attacks in just 75 days. That does not encourage tolerance for the Islamic faith.

    But the question remains: How best to encourage Muslims to take effective steps to discourage violence by people identifying with their religion? I suspect articles suggesting that Christianity is better than Islam are not going to help. Here’s a suggested alternative to that kind of self-righteousness.

    As a convert from atheism to Christianity in 1971, I’d like to see my pastor, and ones in other churches, acknowledge that there has been much violence in the history of Christianity—for example anti-abortion murders and bombings in America; Catholic and Protestant terrorism in Ireland; religious wars in Europe in the 16th and 17th centuries; murders of Jews and other non-combatants in the Crusades; etc.

    If we first own up to our own history, we could then acknowledge that some Christians might nowadays engage in violence too. And point out that each member of a congregation has a responsibility to try to prevent it. After that, pastors and individual Christians would be in a better position to promote interfaith efforts to encourage Muslims to do the same.

    • Charles Burge

      You raise some great points, and I do agree that as the body of Christ, we need to be honest about the past. At the same time, however, I think we need to resist the insistence from liberals that we engage in perpetual self-flagellation.

      • I was not suggesting self-flagellation. But I really do think we should all try to work–in the most effective possible ways–toward solutions to the big problem of religion-associated violence.

        Trying to be more humble has been good for me. Philippians 2:3 “Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vain conceit. Rather, in humility value others above yourselves”

        My earlier version of this was published as a letter to the editor in the Long Beach (Calif.) Press-Telegram. However I suspect it didn’t get much traction. Many fundamentalists, and some evangelicals, are quite opposed in principle to inter-religious efforts. Some might also blow off the concept of Christian-associated violence as irrelevant to their particular flavor of the faith–“We’d never do anything remotely like that. Violence came from other denominations–not us–in the past.”

        On the liberal side of Christianity, there might be a reluctance to acknowledge that Islam-related violence is ever a problem. Or a feeling that it would be impolite (or much worse) to even suggest that Muslims should have any responsibility at all to try to discourage violence by people identifying with their communities.

        Nevertheless I’m going to keep trying to publicize this approach.

        • davidrev17

          “Religion-associated violence” is of the adversary my brother, thus NOT under our control; of whose participants no doubt “come for no other reason than to kill, steal and destroy. (John 10:10) Our battle IS spiritual – and the “battle IS the Lord’s”! (Eph. 6:10-18; 2 Cor. 10:3-5)

          Why not wholeheartedly orient your life’s purpose toward pursuing the “Great Commission” (i.e., Matthew 28:18-20) – like the Lord Yeshua/Jesus “commanded” all His children to do; as opposed to these man-devised, seemingly PC-oriented strategies about which you’re describing??

          Are you seeking a better way, or alternative to Kingdom building, than that which our omniscient God has handed-down to us?? War is very ugly business my brother; and I say this as a Vietnam-era veteran too. There will be NO “peace on earth” – UNTIL the “Prince of Peace” returns here, and IMPOSES such! It’s all prophesied in your Holy Bible.

          * * *

          “Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. And a person’s enemies will be those of his own household. Whoever loves father or mother more than me is not worthy of me, and whoever loves son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me. And whoever does not take his cross and follow me is not worthy of me. Whoever finds his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life for my sake will find it.” (Matthew 10:34-39)

        • The Evangelical

          Even people with good theology and a strong faith are against any kind of interfaith dialogue. You see that with the recent attacks against Dr. White. It’s shameful and embarrassing. If we are to spread the Gospel to all people, then we need to learn about them, their language, and, yes, even their religion. Otherwise we turn into conservative bigots who think all Muslims want is to kill Christians and we don’t even bother reaching out to them.

          As for Christian violence, we did plenty of that in Europe. Even the reformers did terrible things in the name of Christ. When you mix government and religion, things tend to go south. We need to be honest with our history, otherwise we look at Christianity through the lens of US history and think that is all of Christian history.

    • oldagg

      ” anti-abortion terrorism by people who have some association with Christianity.”?/ When’s the last time a Christian threw acid in the face of a abortion provider (NEVER!)? When’s the last time an abortion clinic was bombed (especially when anyone was inside)? How many years has it been since an abortion doctor was killed (and who was it in the Christian community that cheered when that did happen a few times by sick individuals ?)? Anti-abortion “terrorism” is a myth of the left. To get there you have to account peaceful sign carrying and praying outside their doors as “terrorism”.

      • It is undeniably true there has been much more violence associated with issues other than abortion. But here are some statistics from Wikipedia:

        “At least eleven murders occurred in the United States since 1990, as well as 41 bombings and 173 arsons at clinics since 1977. At least one murder occurred in Australia, as well as several attempted murders in Canada.”

        On the other hand, we as Christians should emphasize zero tolerance for violence. And we should be very concerned about preventing things that help the enemies of God to create hostile narratives about us. I think that “peaceful sign carrying and praying outside their doors” is fine. But few would believe that kind of propaganda aimed at us if none of those murders, bombings and arsons had ever happened.

        • Dena

          Are all these acts done by professing Christians or crazy, evil people?

          • As Christians we are commanded to preach the gospel to all the world. That’s everyone, including people who may be “crazy.” And if mentally unstable people get involved with Christianity, we have an obligation to do what we can to keep them on the right path. We really are supposed to be our brothers’ keepers.

      • Kevin Carr

        Those people have no basis from the Bible for their actions, not Christian. Muslims have the Quran, Hadiths and Suras as the basis for their actions.

    • Dena

      List the Violent acts Christians have done world wide in 2017. List the Violent acts Muslims have done world wide in 2017. You’ll notice how great the list of Violent acts from Muslims world wide.

      When so called Christians commit violent acts in the past they are condemned by the Christian church. I would not even consider them true Christians. Murder is listed as a sin in the Bible.

      • I’m not interested in comparing scorecards to see if we “won or lost” in 2017. I’d like to see all violence associated with any religion to stop. I want to encourage other Christians to do what they can to help with that.

        • Kirby

          That would require knowing the nature of your foe. For one, you are dealing with a religion whose prophet and book both command its adherents to lie to the infidel.
          Secondly, the statement that only a small minority of Muslims practice radicalism is pure hogwash. Almost every single Muslim controlled nation on planet earth practices ruthless and barbaric persecution of Christians and Jews. Additionally, men and women of the Muslim belief who dare to even consider another belief take on a death sentence. Female genital mutilation is rampant.
          The so called “moderates” are a sham as they almost all support militant Islam. Establishing a moderate population of Muslims in a western nation is tactical. It doesn’t take long before the radical Imams and mullahs come trotting along behind them.
          Militant Islam is inherent in both the Quran and Hadiths. If you want to eradicate violence in Islam, you will have to eradicate the very foundations of it.
          The silent cowardice of western journalism is criminal. All through Europe, people of all nationalities are increasingly terrified of leaving their homes – especially at night. Rape is increasing greatly. Muslim enclaves proliferate and are very dangerous places for infidels. Assimilation is a cruel joke. None of this is reported in the western media.
          All violence with any religion stopped – ? Oh, you surely jest. You know nothing of Islam. You may as well sit down to tea and crumpets with a crocodile and discuss the necessity of its going vegan.

  • The Evangelical

    And yet many “true” Christians slander, and defame great men who dare to put together a conversation between Christians and Muslims. The radical fringes of Christianity do plenty of damage with their tongues rather than the sword to both fellow Christians and unbelievers.

    • C. William Russell

      True but we go back to the source and ignore them if they disagree. And every devout Muslim has the same option. Muslim apostates seem to be the tip of a wedge that can slip in easily but designed to make way for the fundamentalist who will naturally follow and then simply ignore.

  • Chris in NC

    These are some pointed behavioral and character differences between Christianity and Islam.
    I would point out one more that I have mentioned elsewhere.

    A person cannot be born a Christian. To become a Christian is an act of spiritual will. That may seem like a small thing to some but that freedom of choice is a very large thing in the sight of God.

  • Chris Elliott

    IMHO, you have provided a biased perspective here and, noticeably absent, are references to scholarly articles to support your claims. One cannot simply base your conclusions out of a comparison of religions. For example, I see little evidence here of the influence of poverty, development, education status, cultural climate, and the like. Remember, Christianity also had its barbaric eras (Crusades, Spanish conquest of the Americas, witch burning, etc, etc.) Your piece may become more valid if you avoided using merely simplistic arguments. IMHO.

    • davidrev17

      Perhaps you could begin affirming your “PC” presuppositions, by simply pointing we readers to some counterfactual “references to scholarly articles” – of which provide sound refutation to any of Dr. Brown’s factually specific statements contrasting the tenets of both Islam & historical orthodox Christianity??

      • Kirby

        One might also learn to separate the hijackers and users of Christianity – the Catholic Vatican which heavily polluted and corrupted it for its practitioners own wealth and power. The various popes throughout many centuries equated themselves to God Himself, sold salvation and position for monetary gain, produced bumper crops of illegitimate children, and forbade Catholics from reading the Bible to hide their corruptions of the Gospel.
        The Vatican slaughtered millions of real Christians including whole populations – the Albigenes for one. You can thank Catholicism and their precious murderous Jesuits for the Inquisition and infiltration and targeted assassinations of any and all leaders within organizations not Catholic. All of this then produced beginning in the 1600’s the confusion of deism having equated all Christendom and Catholicism to be one and the same.
        You want stuffy old scholarship? You mean the kind that our seminaries are putting out today questioning Jesus divinity and the absolute validity of the Bible? Try out Mark Fairley’s excellent assessment of many of God’s enemies in his “Know Your Enemy” DVD series (also, free on YouTube) which has some of its 77 sections singling out Catholicism, the Jesuits, and additionally their very interesting association with Islam. You can also check out the back section of Henry H. Halley’s Handbook on the Bible – pre-1970 editions which are available on Amazon.
        The Salem Witch Trials? It That short period of time was finally stopped by – Christians who put their very lives on the line bringing Biblical proof of the judges error in carrying on the trials.
        Are their polluted and corrupt Christians. Sure, but nothing of the historical scale you proffer. Individuals are continually going off course and today’s many Protestant denominations are straying far off course – seminaries included. We’re heading for much corrupted theology but so far very little in the way of violence.

    • Kevin Carr

      What was the reason for the Crusades? Not all acting during Crusades can claim to be Christian. Islamic barbarity now as some claim is poverty, garbage! Most of the 9/11 hijackers were middle to upper class, Mohammed Atta the 19th hijacker was a doctor. Ayman Zawahiri was a doctor, Bin Laden was a business man worth 250 million dollars and yet the last two were living in a cave. Its not money that motivates them, that comes from a western mindset. Read the texts, the Quran, Hadiths and Suras. Islam describes Muhammad as the perfect Muslim, as such Muslims are to aspire to be like him, they will not denounce his actions because that will get them killed.

  • davidrev17

    Chris:

    Thank you! As a scientist, and when time permits, perhaps you might begin doing your own “historical” research into the history of Islam, and the life of its founder Muhammad? This is precisely the course of action I began pursuing post-911, since I’d really never spent much time delving into its religious teachings – even though I’d committed my life to following the Lord Jesus in Oct. 1996. The shocking “factual” information is readily available, and abundant; though admittedly, the profoundly troubling facts re: the life of Muhammad & Islam, are routinely manipulated (can you say SPIN?) for general consumption by Islamic apologists et al. – i.e., for its “PC effect” upon the masses.

    And such is NOT the case when it comes to the history of Christianity. You’re a smart guy; so I’m quite confident if you really desire to know the “truth” of this matter – you’ll be rewarded by rigorously observing that long-standing, highly effective method of “following the evidence wherever it leads.” Have a blessed & restful weekend my friend!

  • Doug Michalak

    Dr. Brown, I love your heart for the LORD—your message of your ministry is spot on. This article is what everyone needs to hear. The only thing I would say differently is this: where you say, “Acts of violence carried out to advance the Christian faith are the extreme exception to the rule. Acts of violence carried out to advance the Islamic faith are all too common.”, I would say, “When Christians have been violent, it is in opposition to the faith they profess; when Muslims are violent, it is in concert with the teachings of Islam.” Unfortunately, beginning with Constantine—from the 300’s A.D. to the founding of America, ‘Christian’ persons and nations were OFTEN violent—this was not an “extreme exception to the rule.” But as you wonderfully and concisely illustrated in this article, this is not consistent with Biblical faith—it was the result of a hijacking that occurred by a political warlord, which changed the culture of Christianity for 1500 years. This is why many secularists have a hard time believing the message of the Gospel, and we must own up to it before we can point out the very obvious differences between Judeo-Christianity and the rest of the world.

    • Kirby

      I would take a little exception to referring to that period of time that the Catholic Vatican ruled, subjugated, and corrupted all that was holy. The Vatican hijacked the institutions and terminologies of Christendom. They forbade their own from reading the scriptures so they could distort it for their own self-serving purposes for wealth and power. Additionally, they slaughtered and tortured many millions of the real adherents to Christianity including the Reformers who sought to bring Catholicism to heal.
      For the way the Crusades were carried out, you can thank the Vatican. Also, for the Inquisition and the murderous Jesuits who finally destroyed every last vestige of what the world mistakenly thought to be Christian. The latter years of Catholic power together with their Jesuits produced an age of deism where Christianity was lumped in together with the whole polluted pie = vast confusion.
      Today’s current Catholic Pope has publicly declared the Bible and Quran to be much the same as are “Christianity” and Islam.
      One must separate the Truth of Christianity from that which used it, polluted it, degraded it, and tried to destroy that which was true.

  • Craig Roberts

    Christianity isn’t as violent as Islam? Hmmm…let’s look at the God of Christianity and see what he has to say:
    “You must completely destroy the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites, just as the LORD your God has commanded you.” Deuteronomy 20:17

    Wow. That’s a lot of ‘ites. Not fair? Instead of commands to violence let’s look at the acts of violence committed by the God of Christianity himself. Well first you got the flood, then Sodom and Gomorrah, the Egyptians didn’t fair too well (not just their army, but every firstborn child), etc. I could go on and on with examples but I think you get the point. Nobody, and I mean NOBODY, can top God when it comes to violence. I don’t want to poop on anyone’s parade but we Christians often suffer from a monumental lack of self-awareness when it comes to our own religion.

    • Craig Roberts

      And lest anyone think that God reserves his violent wrath for the poor gentiles and the ‘ites whose names don’t start with Israel, there are just as many examples of Him killing the crap out of the Israelites to make His point. Sorry if I don’t sound sufficiently reverent but I’m talking to you, human, not God right now.

      • Kevin Carr

        Were these without provocation? Did you cite the Ninevites that were spared because he told Jonah to go and tell them to repent? Or the people of Noah’s time, that had 120 years warning. The people groups you cited were rebellious and not going to change, as Creator God he can do that. He does not act that way now but still warns us of the results of disobedience. The god of Islam is purely satanic and promotes violence, and tells them if they don’t believe as you do kill them, if they apostacize kill them. Is there any comparable issues in Christianity? No lack of awareness of what God did and guess what is coming, are you going to call him a big meany?

        • Craig Roberts

          No. Mercy, forbearance and even extreme patience are also illustrated again and again, but the bottom line is that when it comes to violence, only the Lord can dish it out like He does. The assumption everybody makes is that violence is evil and clearly the Bible illustrates that God has no problem with the most extreme violence imaginable. Let’s not kid ourselves. I can’t judge God and I wasn’t intending to. I was simply reminding everybody that there is no shortage of violence in the Bible, much of it perpetrated by God himself.

          That’s what makes such a stark contrast between, say King David, and Jesus Christ. Jesus flips the script on everybody and preaches non-violence, forgiveness, and to “pray for your enemies.” It makes him stand out like a beacon of light on an ocean of blood. Ultimately, he allows the violence to overtake him so that he can show us by his resurrection who he really is and what kind of authority he has been granted by God. I think you would concur that it’s freaky astonishing.

          I don’t know what the roots of Islam are or why God allows it to flourish. I can see that it’s driving a lot of people stark raving mad in the name of Allah. Maybe God is using Islam to test us? I don’t know. But as much as I’d like to just nuke them and get it over with something makes me think that God has a better plan. Thanks for the response.

          • Kevin Carr

            Apologies if I read you wrong, good points.

          • Kirby

            There is a big difference between the violence of our God and that of Islam. There is no violence like that of Islam that seeks not only to destroy or guide as God does, but to humiliate terribly and prolong the suffering as tortuously long as possible. This is the difference between a Creator who loves and disciplines His creation to purify and guide as opposed to the emissary of Satan who ruthlessly violates all that is holy, beautiful, corrupts the Truth, and spits on justice.

    • davidrev17

      Hmmm…are you somehow “omnisciently” accusing the perfectly good & righteous Creator God of this universe, of being guilty of IMMORALITY, in YOUR “fallen” mortal eye’s??? Plus, how nice of you to do the typical hermeneutical “hatchet-job” on the Holy Scriptures, by lifting Deut. 20:17 right-off-the-page (in mid-sentence at that), thus totally out of its context, of which begins in v. 10.

      (BTW: I’ll provide some context by posting Deut. 20:18…the one you conveniently ignored, while “crafting” YOUR own unbiblical opinion!)

      “…that they may not teach you to do according to all their abominable practices that they have done for their gods, and so you sin against the Lord your God.”

      And just in case you’ve also erroneously assumed that all the “enemies of Israel” in-and-around the “promised land” were ALL local “choir boys” – particularly those very large and utterly evil descendants of the Nephilim, or (Rephaim = Hebrew) east of the Jordan River, in the biblical “Transjordan” region; PLUS all those “ites” west of the Jordan mentioned in Deut. 20:17 (see also Deut 7:1-5) – I encourage you, for the sake of context alone, to read all of Deuteronomy chapter’s 2 & 3 very carefully (Deut. 1:26-28 also); all of Numbers 13; at least the first 12-chapter’s of the Book of Joshua, for Yahweh’s “why’s” undergirding Israel’s conquest of the promised land; and finally – Genesis 6:1-4 – for the very historical analogy precisely correlative with Yahweh’s inscrutable “reasons” (millennia-later), for having His people Israel eradicate every conceivable “genetic” descendant of these wicked Nephilim!

      Additionally, I’d spend as much study time as possible, watching as many YouTube teaching sessions by Hebrew/Semitic scholar, Dr. Michael Heiser, for some tremendous eye-opening historical truth’s in this particular area; of which the Church collectively has tragically ignored, or “SPUN” for far-too-long now.

      (As an aside, you might want to start with the very recent 54-plus min. YouTube interview Dr. Brown himself had on his radio program, “In the Line of Fire,” with Dr. Heiser, entitled “The Book of Enoch, and the Forgotten Mission of Jesus,” whereby they discuss Dr. Heiser’s new book I cite just below?)

      Dr. Heiser’s brand new scholarly contribution on this subject, his book “Reversing Hermon: Enoch, the Watchers & the Forgotten Mission of Jesus Christ,” should also enlighten you considerably; that is, if you actually happen to be a genuine heart-following “disciple”of the Lord Jesus, Israel’s Messiah – and not simply an “intellectual convert” of the Judeo-Christian God??

      And I emphasize this in closing, because I honestly can’t imagine a “true-follower” of the Creator God of the Holy Scriptures – i.e., the Lord Yeshua haMashiach of Nazareth – speaking and writing so irresponsibly (not to mention recklessly) as you’ve clearly done above,
      and just below; while tragically exemplifying one who has so little grasp, or understanding of the biblical subject matter upon which you’re so flippantly pontificating! (2 Corinthians 13:5-6)

      Please don’t forget: since Jesus taught that “out of the abundance of one’s heart, one’s mouth speaks,” I have NO other way of assessing your “message,” other than by what you’re speaking/writing here on this post.

      • Craig Roberts

        Thank you for your deep and thoughtful response. You obviously know the Bible well. I’ll have to check out the videos and book before I can comment on your post. They sound very interesting.

        Sorry if I offended your sensibilities. My only intent was to point out that many people either don’t know the Bible or are so prejudice in their reading of the Bible that they are oblivious to the plain content.

        As I explained to Kevin Carr in the comment below, all the violence in the OT serves as a stark contrast so that we can identify who is the true Son of Man. Instead of shedding blood (like King David) he sheds his own blood for us.

        • davidrev17

          Thank you, and God bless you! I understand completely. And please forgive my knee-jerk reaction to some of your statements, because I seem to be wearying (at times) of what I perceive to be these incessant attacks upon the “character” of God; usually taking place by the secular atheistic types, of whom actually know diddly about the Word of God. I seem to be losing patience with many in this area, so you have my sincere apology for unloading all of which I did, in trying to support the biblical ” worldview.” Thanks again!

          • Craig Roberts

            It can be really frustrating at times. People that don’t know what they’re talking about casting judgment, and people that should know better denying the obvious. I have to admit that I was being deliberately provocative. But that was only to jolt some complacent Christians into taking the Word of God seriously and not glossing over the difficulties to make it more palatable.

            Keep up the good fight! You can tell if somebody really loves God, His Word, and his Son if they are willing to study, spread, and defend the Gospel the way you are doing. God bless and thank you for the video and reading material.

          • Kirby

            I think it’s worth adding that the God of the Bible has more than proven His justifiable “violence” as opposed to that of the other god He is being compared to here.
            Fourteen centuries of uninterrupted unjust (though occasionally slowed down a mite) Islamic heinously polluted violence hardly compares.
            The Biblical God has always attempted (preceded with much long suffering and patience) to re-jump start and purify the human race. Allah/Muhammad by contrast rams pell-through throughout all of mankind as Satan’s emissary to rob, destroy, and un-do all that God has created and repeatedly attempted to set right again. God has always used violence as a last resort and suffers Himself at having to produce it.
            As Tony above pointed out, God will suffer the tares for a time and then divide them apart from the good seed via Christ.

        • Jim Walker

          All the killings in OT are directed by God Himself but all the killings in Quran are directed by Muhammad, Big difference.

          • Craig Roberts

            Good point. But the question of “who’s more violent” still remains.

          • Jim Walker

            Who’s more violent? Well the radicals are still killing till today and won’t stop till Jesus comes.
            God is fair, he also destroys hundreds of thousands of Jews who disobey Him as in Israel”ites”.

          • Craig Roberts

            You obviously know your Bible.

          • Ronky

            No that’s not the difference. Mahomedans believe that the entire Koran is the literal and definitive words literally spoken by God Himself to Mahomet. The difference is as others said, the killings God orders in the Old Testament given for a particular time thoudsands of years ago and were punishments for shocking offences which continued through generations despite repeated warnings, and as a lesson to keep ourselves pure from sin, to kill it. (This is not a modern re-interpretation, e.g. St Irenaeus said it in Adversus Heareses in the second century.)

      • Kirby

        Oh, very good and well said!

  • Tony Inokon

    I am surprise you scholars have not seen the prophesy of Islam in the bible…..do guys think that a religion as big as Islam won’t have a mention in the bible… open your eyes people, Jesus saw it before it came to existence…..remember the parable of the wheat ad tares.. let’s break it down… the good man planted wheat and. Slept and the enemy came at night and saw tares……the wheat is the church, the good man Yeshua notice sleeping and. Night signify the dark when the truth was very low on earth rememer 30% and notice when Islam was birthed….the beginng of the dark age….notice they claim we have one father Abraham but Yeshua said let them be…..the difference is we the church will bring forth fruits and the tares never and like Sarah who said to her husband Abraham caste away this woman and her child….the Church also will say so when that time comes.

    • Ryan

      Islam isn’t mentioned in scripture but in Ezekiel 38 the nations occupied by Islam and an ally, Russia, are mentioned in an attempt to destroy Israel. In Chapter 39, those peoples of Islamic nations give praise and worship to the God of Israel after the millions of invaders into Israel are reduced to 1/6th of their number. Those who survive the battle return to their homes and report what happened and people turn from Islam to the God of Israel in worship.
      Perhaps you might want to get a head start and begin worshipping the God of Israel today.

      • Kirby

        There are many future peoples and nations that our Creator and God doesn’t mention by name. These all include present day Libya, Turkey, Russia, Algeria, etc.
        The God of Israel (and Messiah) is Jesus Christ although most Israelis don’t know it. Tony DOES worship that God as do I.

    • Kevin Carr

      Tony I have seen what may be reference to Islam in the Bible, Wild Shoebat and Joel Richardson have cited passages that should give us pause. I also believe it is Islam that is the false opposite of Christianity.

      • Kirby

        All of which does not negate a single thing he said.

    • Kirby

      Ha!! Ha!! That’s very good! I’ve studied the Bible for over 45 years and no one including myself has come up with that.

  • Jim Walker

    I can’t understand why Muslims focus so much on Muhammad in the Quran than their Allah.

    • Kirby

      Muhammad is the one and only witness of this grand visitation in a deep dark cave that nearly drove him mad. He attempted suicide several times. He couldn’t write so a Catholic woman took pity and helped write their one scripture.

      Allah was a choice of convenience. Their were a majority of local Arabs who worshiped a moon god called Allah, so it suited him to borrow the name.

    • Phoenix

      I dont know why Christians focus so much on Jesus Christ instead of God. Oh and wait some say Jesus Christ is the god and also say he is the son of god. So jesus christ is the son of himself?

      • Jim Walker

        I recommend you go to a local church to find out more.

        • Phoenix

          bro i dont need to cause i already learned that in this discussion

  • Kevin Carr

    Allah has no relationship with them, Muhammad is described as the perfect man, so they do as Muhammad did and will not denounce him.

  • Ronky

    “Muhammad was a spiritual leader, who became a political leader, then a violent military leader.”

    Actually all serious historians of the matter thunk that the real order was the reverse of that (apart from those who think Mahomet never existed at all.) Mahomet started out as a petty bandit, then became a warlord, then through alliances with defeated tribes became a political leader, then at least TWO HUNDRED years later, in an attempt to justify their previous violent invasions and conquests,his followers wrote the Koran and other islamic holy books that claimed it all started when God dictated messages to him which became the Koran.

  • Just about

    I think there can be better attempt to meet out to one fourth of world population. Islamic divine message is clear : No One Should be Forced to Believe in Islam:

    “There is no compulsion where the religion is concerned.” (Holy Quran: 2/ 256)

    “God does not forbid you from being good to those who have not fought you in the religion or driven you from your homes, or from being just towards them. God loves those who are just.” (Sura 60: 8)

    “We have appointed a law and a practice for every one of you. Had God willed, He would have made you a single community, but He wanted to test you regarding what has come to you. So compete with each other in doing good. Every one of you will return to God and He will inform you regarding the things about which you differed.” (Sura 5:48)

    The values of the Qur’an hold a Muslim responsible for treating all people, whether Muslim or non-Muslim, kindly and justly, protecting the needy and the innocent and “preventing the dissemination of mischief”. Mischief comprises all forms of anarchy and terror that remove security, comfort and peace.

    “God does not love corruption”. (Sura 2:205)

    • Ryan

      Why don’t you preach co-existence and equality of homosexuality and transgenderism to Muslims? You should do so from the rooftop of a high building or near a crane when you do so. I’m sure you will be treated with respect and will be the guest of honor .
      You may have missed your calling if you haven’t preached your message to them.
      You really should take your message to ISIS, maybe you can bring peace when no one else has been able to do so.
      They do have a high regard for human rights, you know?

      • Kirby

        Hmm. Five months and no response.

    • Kirby

      Islam has a funny way of corrupting and sabotaging western definition of key terms. Do they do the same with the word “just” as they do with the word “peace”, the latter of which means to a Muslim, peace only after the last infidel has been beheaded, raped, slaughtered, enslaved, or by any other means subdued into a dhimmi class of ruthlessly ruled slaves to be divested of all things of value including land and finance?

  • Jesus accomplished His mission by dying on the cross.

    You say that that was his mission. Read the Old Testament, and you find a search for a different Messiah, one who would kick some butt–you know, like Mohammed.

  • bbb

    Another big difference between Islam and Christianity is that Islam is a theocracy. Christianity is a religion.
    A theocracy is a government wrapped In religion. It regulates people’s dress, activities, enforces a caste system, uses fear to dominate their own believers and others, subjugates women treating them as chattel and enforces sharia law that practices barbaric traditions.
    Christianity and Judaism value freedoms for those who worship the one true God. It is not a cult but gives people freedom to worship in a variety of ways, freedom to dress as necessary, freedom to pursue careers that are not regulated by a caste system, freedom to respect and cherish women, freedom to believe in a Civilized culture that shuns any traditions that remove personhood from women, allows for sexual surgeries on young girls, and prescribes beating one’s wife.
    ‘Just about’ who merrily quotes what might be considered nice stuff from the Quran is well aware that text not only allows but encourages Islamics to lie to the infidel.
    Any excerpts from religious texts must be considered suspect considering even the Devil can quote Bible scripture.

    • Just about

      The Bible with the passages such as the conquest of the territory of Canaan by the Israelites, or the war against the Amalekites prompted by the prophet Samuel, presented simply as models for personal actions, such history has continued to crusades, inquisition etc and fostered a foundation of the same murderous fanaticism in the Judeochristian path. Let us understand each other and coexist.

      • opinionated1945

        Can one ever coexist with evil?
        Before you react, please try to understand that I am not suggesting that all Muslims are evil any more than all Christians, or Jews are good. However, the understanding and coexistence you espouse must begin with crystal clarity during dialogues over differences. In Islam, the Koran’s concept of ‘taqiyya’ stands in direct opposition to effecting this.
        I believe you are drawing false moral equivalences, by insinuating that:
        1. Conquests described in the Hebrew Scriptures represent models for personal actions in general, and thus
        2. The original Crusades were other than a response to Muslim aggression in the Holy Land,
        3. The various Inquisitions were driven my murderous fanaticism, rather than due process under the law.
        If this is the result of ignorance of history that is one thing. If this is a deliberate misrepresentation of it, that is another.

        • Just about

          “Can one ever coexist with evil? ”

          Who Defines Evil? Surely you don’t have divine authority, if you do — Wonder of wonders!. What looks to be the epitome of evil in one person’s eyes is, to another, a logical thing to do, possibly even a good thing. The merciful God defines what is evil and what is right. Breaking the command of God is evil.
          Islam calls for full submission to the command of God. Let us leave it to God to judge us on that day of assortment- a terrible day to come. For now, respect and co-exist.

          • opinionated1945

            Thank you for your reply.
            “The merciful God defines what is evil and what is right. Breaking the command of God is evil.”
            We can agree on this.
            The only people I cannot respect nor coexist with are those who would murder in the name of God.

          • Just about

            Just a question, why do countries and nation have armies?

          • opinionated1945

            Why do YOU think they have armies?

          • Kirby

            Would you live next door to Iran or Russia or Red China … without an army?

        • The original Crusades were other than a response to Muslim aggression in the Holy Land, – Like Iraq Afgan war was response to 911 and weapon of mass destruction. Myanmar massacre was a response to a Muslim terrorist act. The age of Ignorance. Something written on web page, someone printed something in book form – thats why this is true. Another is spreading through peoples heart to heart, Never get printed, so means that history is false. I know my great grant father’s name, but it was never printed any where or registered, That means I had no great grand father. This is the history you are talking about? again. This is the age of Ignorance. This time was prophesied. The age of Ignorance.

      • Kirby

        Careful reading of the OT lays out the degraded nature of the various peoples of Canaan. Child sex, child sacrifice, and much in the way of murder, war, and theft defined them.
        I guess God could have wiped them all out as soon as they started going south long after our Creator once before made an example of a polluted mankind via the flood of Noah’s time. I guess, He could have gone there if you prefer, but He did give them much time to mend their ways after having been much grieved Himself by the flood. So, a merciful God gave a child sacrificing and badly polluted people a long chance to turn. Didn’t happen, so God used their eradication to teach the Hebrews many lessons and to once again try to jump start the human race. Even then, the Hebrews did not obey God completely and paid a heavy price in the ensuing centuries.
        You vastly oversimplify by trying to draw similarities to God’s justified actions in Canaan to behavior in the Crusades. Do you really not know anything of history or are you a Muslim putting up a pseudo white man’s picture and playing a few taqiyya games? Just asking because any true student of history knows that the Catholic Vatican which in no way represented Christianity, carried out the Crusades. The same Vatican slaughtered millions of real Christians while using their holy Book to heavily enrich and empower themselves.
        Even then, this belatedly followed centuries of Muslim conquest manifesting the rape, slaughter, enslavement, torture, and beheading of many tens of millions of innocent and peaceful peoples on many continents along with the desecration and destruction of their holy sites and scriptures.

        • history is lie and biased

          • Kirby

            Ah, of course – because Allah said so. So, history is whatever a Muslim says it is or re-writes it to be and therefore because a Muslim said it is so – it is so.

            So, who are you trying to kid?

    • Phoenix

      Have you heard of Catholicism? And it wasn’t theocracy right? or Islam is the root of all evil?

      • Kirby

        Catholicism was not Christian. It took Christianity’s Book and turned it upside down to promote the convenience of a polluted and corrupt hierarchy. Catholicism slaughtered millions of real Christians. It had nothing to do with God’s scriptures other than to distort them.

        Jesus Christ taught Truth (not the Muslim “taqiyya”), righteousness, justice, mercy, forgiveness, and to love one’s enemy.

        Islam by its own Quran, Hadiths, and behavior of its ONLY writer and prophet is a militant, political, religion that is carried out very true to form by ISIS, Al Qaeda, and the other militants. Wishful thinking produces the so called moderates who don’t by any means control Muslim nations where the ruthless subjugation of all other religions by the militant radicals is carried out – PER the Quran, Muhammad, and the Hadith that spells out Muhammad’s life.

        Muhammad taught a tiny sliver of “peace” and “love” for a short time – before he put together an army then literally all hell broke loose. His new teachings were much different and massively self-serving. The term “abrogation” is a Muslim one that commands all adherents of Islam to obey Muhammad’s latter teachings. They very artfully play on westerners’ ignorance of the dual nature of Islam and its book. Convenience brings out peaceful rhetoric from Muhammad’s time of weakness. Try living in Saudi Arabia, Iran, Syria, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Turkey, Sudan, Somalia, Bangladesh, Libya, Yemen, and many other Muslim nations and the reality of Islam will starkly shock your oh so politically correct belief of what it is about.

        Some majority Christian nations (i.e. Ethiopia) are being gradually subjugated by a large Muslim population.
        Lebanon was once a thriving Christian nation that was a true gem in the Middle East. The Christians invited the Muslims to enjoy the educational and all other civil institutions and affluence that they had created. That came to a crashing end one day when by prearranged signal, the Muslims in the military and everywhere else turned on the Lebanese Christians. Today, the cowards of the political world refer to it as a “civil war”. A great slaughter ensued and it has now become a nation militantly ruled by the Iranian Hezbollah.

        • Phoenix

          Catholicism was not Christianity. LOL. You clearly are an idiot who wants to deny the fact that Christians like all the people of other religions made mistakes along the way of following their true religion. We are humans. Its in our nature to fight and go against everything if things dont turn out in our way. If you don’t like it, you might as well destroy the world. And how about when Christians slaughtered many people just because of expansion and wanted to make money of of the land that they conquered. The very fact that you are a racist scum ruins the name of Christianity.

          • Kirby

            If you know anything of the Quran and its duplicitous nature thrown in with their own law of abrogation, then you will know of a certainty that the terrorists represent absolutely the core and heart of Islam. Read the Hadiths for your self and then presume to tell me what Islam is about. They depict Muhammad’s life and again, by their own law of abrogation – strictly adhered to, they are commanded by both prophet, Muhammad – their one and only prophet, and their Quran to live by the strict example of that prophet’s latter years, behaviors, and teachings. When you have immersed yourself in THEIR truths then again, presume to lecture me.
            The Catholic Vatican took Christianity right at its inception and totally corrupted it. For beginners and clear on up into the 1950’s of this century, it forbade on penalty of death anyone’s reading it but the “authorities”. That worked out oh so well for them as they slaughtered, tortured, and made life miserable for literally tens of millions of the real Christians. Who do you think put together, ruled, and financed the Crusades and by whose commands and edicts Jerusalem, its Jews, Muslims, and everyone else was butchered and beheaded? Who do you think started and carried out the Inquisition?
            I could absolutely bury this forum with facts and figures about almost all popes and their polluted hierarchy. The legions of illegitimate children right from the inception. Many of these children were appointed to high offices and became quite wealthy all while still kids.
            From the beginning, the very guts of the Gospel message was eradicated making all their preachings useless for any purposes of salvation which was the central purpose of Christ’s coming, teachings, death, resurrection, and current position at the right hand of the Father.
            From its inception they bastardized prayer to be devoted towards the Virgin Mary and saints – all dead people. Jesus said for Himself that He was the only way to the Father and that through both Him and the Holy Spirit, prayers would be presented to that Father. There is not one hint of an iota of teachings that say a thing about praying either to Mary or to Vatican appointed saints who just happened to be assigned to areas of prayer/expertise that coincidentally belonged to pagan gods.
            Don’t even get me started on the Jesuits whose heinous areas of expertise included infiltrating any and all organizations of religion and government to assassinate and kill key people – all slavishly devoted to the Vatican.
            Catholicism has never wavered in its pollution of God’s intentions for sending His Son to die for us. Catholicism is full of “nice” people at the lay level – nicely ignorant also of what they throw their allegiance to. The Vatican fought for centuries to stymy every attempt by godly people to correct what was going on. Millions of reformists were hunted down all over Europe and tortured, burned at the stake, and slaughtered.
            There was nothing at all about an “innocent” wavering from the truth of things Biblical as you seem to think. From the beginning it was about a few who hijacked the whole thing for their own personal gain in wealth and power. many popes came right out and said that very thing.
            Today’s Pope Paul is the first and only Jesuit pope. Now that all have forgotten just about all history, a Jesuit struts out onto the stage with everyone assuming it has been “tamed”. What a joke! This pope declared several months ago that Islam and Christianity were basically the same and their holy books the Bible and Quran likewise.
            Probably %90 of all populations including Christians, Catholics, and Muslims haven’t even read their own holy books. They haven’t a clue the terrible travesty perpetrated upon them by this one announcement from this pope. There is nothing more ludicrous as any true Christian or Muslim will tell you.
            Herein is a big truth of Jesus Himself who said that many (not all) would be called and that out of that “many” only a few would choose the narrow door. The way is narrow indeed and most don’t care enough than to mumble a few platitudes and assume they’re “in” and “good to go”. This is the way of the lazy and simple who just want to follow a “nice” path as laid out by their fellow man and cruise through a golden life unchallenged by what they don’t even know of the truth – the easy way via a simplistic formula that calls for little to no sacrifice and barely a thought towards the plight of their fellow man.
            If you want a complete rundown on Catholicism, the Jesuits, and Islam, go on YouTube and watch just the segments on them among Mark Fairley’s 77 topics headed “Know Your Enemy”. Mark’s isn’t the only one out there but his are incredibly concise, summarized, and very well researched. I don’t think any of the segments is much over 20 minutes and many are shorter. They are out there for sale also on a four DVD collection.

          • Phoenix

            that’s not my point retard. both religions made mistakes so stop trying to say your religion is perfect cause it’s not. all you did was make some excuses. Catholic are still Christians or are they not? And dude even if they are not it doesn’t matter cause they damn sure made the same mistakes Muslims made. The way you say your dramatic monologue is portraying that Christian is perfect which clearly isn’t, nothing is. And dude, not all Muslims are that way believing hadiths or not and just because they read the Quran it doesn’t mean that if there is violence in it they are gonna accept it.

          • Kirby

            You don’t read well do you. Though there are Catholics who are Christian despite what Catholicism teaches – quite the uphill road, it makes no sense that they support their -ism and its heavily corrupted version of the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
            I gave you an excellent source to check out the entire history of the Vatican. Henry H. Halley has a short Biblical commentary at the back of which is a summary of most of the popes that back up what Mark Fairley says in his “Know Your Enemy” series. The case is made very solidly by them and many others – Catholicism is not Christian. It slaughtered huge numbers of Christians. Because the buried the history in the school system, doesn’t mean that it isn’t there.

            The religion of Christianity is perfect but populated with imperfect people. All religions are populated with imperfect people, but that isn’t the point. Christianity makes the point that all fail and fall short right up front. The perfection in the religion of Christianity is that it is the only one where God Himself intrudes onto the scene of imperfect man to wash him up and direct the way to perfection – a direction. Once “washed” via the blood of Christ, these then qualify for a place in eternal paradise.

            Muslims presume to judge all other believers outside their belief system themselves. The Christian God says no human has any right to judge any but its own and then – gently with love. Our call is to help others see how God will judge us all – a warning same as what we all got.
            Jesus Christ said that He was the Truth. I defend the Truth not myself. Jesus always called out falsehood and hypocrisy.
            When a pretender comes along and deceives the people about something as important as their own salvation and makes a pretense to be a representative of such a religion, that is a travesty of justice and terribly costly to those deceived. That is Catholicism and it most of the responsibility for the bad name. Everyone assumes Catholicism represents Christianity when it actually deeply corrupts it.
            It’s hard to figure how anyone can defend 13 centuries of Islamic atrocities of every conceivable stripe and color.

          • Phoenix

            The Christian God says no human has any right to judge any but its own and then – gently with love.
            Thats exactly what you are doing, judging all muslims because of the actions of few however when christians do something wrong its nothing cause they are soooooooooo perfect.

          • Kirby

            You still do not read very carefully. Refute what I say. I deliver facts and data about the -isms of the various belief systems. You can evaluate for yourself what I present.

            “The religion of Christianity is perfect but populated with imperfect people.” “… sooooooooo perfect.”
            The latter is contrary to what I said in the previous statement. I make no pretense to being perfect at all. I defend Truth and expose lies, deceit, and corruption.

            Take note of when Jesus used gentleness and love. Those who clearly reject the truths He spoon fed them, weren’t worthy of anything but His scathing condemnations “Liar(s), hypocrites” and so on.

            Lastly, depression and despair are rampant within Islam. I have always felt very badly for those trapped within this ism which offers so cheap a hope. There are millions leaving it and they do so upon learning the lies, hopelessness, and hypocrisy presented by their religion. Jesus Christ offers so much more – hope, love, gentleness, and salvation.

          • Kirby

            You pose relevant questions despite their obvious narrow minded “knowledge” of Biblical concepts.
            By your way of thinking, every criminal would get a free pass and no effort at curtailing his ways. That would include Adolf Hitler, Lenin, Stalin, Genghis Khan, etc. Right?
            Islam is a phony pretender to religion by which it disguises its brutal and depraved political militancy.
            Further, your assumption that we consider ourselves “perfect” is false and again a sign of our myopic assessment. You home in on a perceived negative and look only at it and then back it with false assumptions.
            Jesus Christ was very outspoken about liars and hypocrites which describes Islam and most Muslims who believe adamantly in “taqiyya” – lying and deceiving the infidel. Jesus didn’t sit silently on the sidelines with folded hands in some faux pretense of holiness.
            I have dealt with Muslims for decades and know their practiced and honed arts of deceit and lie. When I’m dealing with a truly ignorant Muslim, I respond accordingly to help him/her see the light of the -ism they’ve allied themselves with.
            Lies and deceit result in millions of people like you who ignorantly invite into their own communities the assassins who will thank them one day by decapitating, torturing, raping their women and children, taking their homes and businesses, and so forth.
            I call out criminal activity for what it is. Jesus never called us to be doormats for liars, hypocrites, and criminals. He called us to expose wrong. I acknowledge those who don’t know any better and treat them accordingly.

          • Kirby

            Religions don’t make mistakes. Its adherents do. Today’s Muslim terrorists are doing exactly as their Quran and prophet have commanded them to do. According to their own law of abrogation, they are commanded to obey Muhammad’s latter teachings and lifestyle which today most people are criminally ignorant of. For thirteen centuries Muslims attacked peaceful civilizations without any provocation other than to have the loot, women, children, and all else that the Muslims wanted for themselves. They slaughtered tens of millions in India alone and enslaved those numbers even more. Rape is a big incentive and perfectly permissible as was decapitation, child molestation, desecration of religious shrines and literature, etc.

            I’ve already explained in depth about Catholicism. How is that an “excuse”. How is truth an excuse? Catholicism is not Christian as right from its inception it utterly made devoid the very important principles of the Gospel of Jesus Christ. I gave you a source to check it out for yourself. Another is the back of “Halley’s Bible Handbook” where there is a wealth of info on almost all of the ensuing popes.

            Your choice, but don’t blame me if you simply decide to make no effort of your own. It’s not easy to go against the popular trends currently cycling throughout western civilization, but Christ Himself warned us that standing for Truth at all would be costly and unpopular. I’ve gone to enormous effort to search through most religions, their scriptures, and most importantly their histories. Catholicism and Islam both are making huge efforts to hide the horrific truths of their past.

            There are “good” people of all religions. Christianity stands out as the one that calls for us to be all in. “Good” is expected but entirely insufficient for salvation. The principles of truth, righteousness, justice, love (even for one’s enemies), and so on particularly stand out. It’s not the easy vending machine/Santa Claus version of God that most people want.

            None of us including myself hold ourselves up as examples of perfection. It’s a direction and requires sacrifice and willingness to stand up to the inevitable and promised hatred and persecution. It’s a tough road and hypocrisy is absolutely rampant. All indulge to at least some extent. Again, it’s a direction adhered to because of the incredible nature, sacrifice, and love of the God who is central to it all.

  • Just about

    There are many ways to promote intolerant attitudes that can lead to violence. This article contradicts its own message by undermining other religious belief. It is quite possible that religious intolerance goes hand-in-hand with an inability to laugh at oneself.

    • opinionated1945

      “It is quite possible that religious intolerance goes hand-in-hand with an inability to laugh at oneself.”
      How true.
      For example:
      Muslim Jihadist massacre after Muhammad cartoon in Charlie Hebdo magazine,
      Muslim Jihadist attempted massacre on “Draw Muhammad” cartoon context in Garland Texas.
      and of course Shari’a blasphemy laws…

      • Just about

        No where is the freedom to disrespect, deface and degrade a culture considered acceptable though. Passing off insults as a joke can aggravate existing tensions. Let us respect each other and coexist.

        • opinionated1945

          “Passing off insults as a joke can aggravate existing tensions.”
          All people of goodwill can agree with this statement.
          The only people I cannot respect and coexist with are those who wish to murder me the name of their God.

          • Just about

            But you may (coexist and respect) a country which may kill others in the name their nation.

          • Kirby

            Nobody is asked to worship any nation regardless of their activity or inactivity.
            To expect people to put any allegiance on a mish-mash porridge of conflicting teachings is like asking a scientific experiment to produce one result one time and another the next – so as to be fair to all students whether they put it together right or wrong. No matter if a Saturn V rocket blows up on the launch pad because, to be fair, all have to be hired in its production with or without a bonafide degree.

            Jesus Christ taught mankind Truth, righteousness, justice, and to love even one’s enemy. What’s so unreasonable about that? You think we can just arbitrarily throw any and all other religions in on that enchilada and find justice, love, righteousness, and Truth? Truth is, no man or religion has been able to pull that off though the Christian God points the way. Because of our inherent condition, there is only one way to pull it off in the end – and, only that at the end.

    • sc_cannon

      You are arguing from moral ignorance, to paraphrase you, nobody can make any comparison of religions because there might be some sort of conflict, you cut off all reasoning and nothing can asserted or deleted.

  • Vincent J.

    The Spirit who inspired the bible tells us that Jesus is the Son of God. The spirit which inspired the koran tells us that God cannot have a son (or daughter). The bible tells us that Jesus died on the cross and rose from the dead. The koran denies this. The bible tells us that God’s name is Yahweh, or “I am.” The koran tells us that God’s name is “allah.” Seems to me that the God of the bible is not the same spirit as the god of the koran. In my humble opinion, these are the significant differences between Christianity and islam.

    • sc_cannon

      I agree the religions are incompatible for the reasons you mentioned except about the name of God being different. That is just a linguistic difference but I wish the world could come together and have a consensus for a Name meaning all powerful creator.

      • Vincent J.

        The all-powerful creator said that His name is “I Am.” There’s a difference between a name and a title. For example, “president” is a title, and “Trump” and “Obama” are names. God (title) has a name, and that name is “I Am,” which in the Hebrew is “Yahweh.”

        • Kirby

          Well said!

  • Just about

    Allah is simply the Arabic word for God. The word Allah was
    not introduced by the blessed Prophet Muhammad, it was and is used by Arabic speaking Christians, Jews as
    well as by Muslims. Allah is not the Muslim God, but is the same God worshipped
    by Christians and Jews. Allah is the God of all human beings, Muslims and
    non-Muslims.

    • sc_cannon

      I am wondering why doesn’t everybody settle on one word for the concept of a an all powerful creator, I advocate getting rid of this confusion factor because as it is different names for God/Allah implies different beliefs to some people.

      • Just about

        I don’t know if the confusion will just end there, but a Muslim may Call upon God by any beautiful name and there are 99 such absolute names mentioned in the Islamic tradition, the one you have mentioned in your comment.

    • Kirby

      That is not correct. Allah was a local moon god worshiped by a large portion of the Arab population. It was a matter of convenience to choose a label already followed by a majority albeit one that had nothing to do with Muhammad’s version of “god”.

      • Just about

        Dear Brother, in trying to spread misinformation, you go against your own Bible. Because the Arabic language Bible says in the first verse: “In the beginning Allah created the heavens and the earth”.
        When someone is closed minded, nothing will help. Regards

        • Kirby

          Ah, the Arabic language Bible. Well, there ya go. I’m going to write the Kirby language Bible and have it say God, Allah, or whomever created Krispy Creme Doughnuts. Or, perhaps we could just bake up an altogether new god – say, Mickey Mouse and produce a Disney version that says whatever suits our desires and conveniences.
          My assertion stands. Allah was chosen out of an array of local Arabic gods, Allah because he conveniently represented a majority which would of course goose along the stats towards a favored acceptance.
          I’m not spreading any “misinformation”. That little tactic is heavily favored by the Muslims who are spreading throuhout our western population taking advantage of current fashion ideologies terribly ignorant of the 14 centuries of Islam that literally shout the truth for itself.

  • sc_cannon

    I see dualities in everything. I agree that the main difference between Christianity and Mohammedism is the difference between the men, but it is not clear cut what that difference is, In Matthew 10 Jesus supposedly said that he was not here to bring peace but to bring a sword that would tear families apart, but then in Matthew 11 he supposedly talks about how gentle and humble he is and how light his yoke is. There can be all sorts of theories and justifications to unite these scriptures but I think people just have to use their innate ability to determine right from wrong and accept Matthew 11 as being true and Matthew 10 as in error.

    • Kirby

      Matthew 10 was no error. Jesus knew the human mind and heart backwards and forwards. “All things were created through Him.” He knew that families would be torn apart by their own disagreements about His teachings. Some would follow and obey and some would not.
      Jesus called His followers to hard choices for the sake of justice, Truth, righteousness, and so forth. Much horror comes about from disobeying these mandates and others that Jesus commanded. Mankind has always stubbornly followed his own way and having to make the right choices in the face of that has lead inevitably to the “sword”. Jesus knew His coming, teachings, and commandments would bring people to militantly assert their own way.
      He absolutely came humbly and gently and laid out His teachings and commandments in the same way. Man will fight to the death to live as they please and even dominate others even within their own families. Over the past 2000 years since Jesus time, man has proven by his own free will choice that very thing.
      Incidentally, NT scripture refers to the Word of God (scripture) as a “sword” and scripture is exactly what Jesus brought. Hebrews 4:12 “For the word of God is living and active and sharper than any two-edged sword, and piercing as far as the division of soul and spirit, of both joints and marrow, and able to judge the thoughts and intentions of the heart.” Also: Ephesians 6:17 “And take THE HELMET OF SALVATION, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.”

  • Grace Kim Kwon

    Paganisms are all too similar in mentality. The Muslims are making news this century by not being subdued by the West yet. Religions and ideologies including the Western humanism kill and destroy when followed accurately. Judeo-Christian teaching alone rescues life and brings justice by being followed accurately. It’s Judeo-Christian value vs. everything else on Planet Earth. Pre-christian condition is illiteracy and barbarism. Post-christian condition is homosexual depravity and transgender mental illness. Christianity alone is the truth, light, fairness, and safety to all. Gospel of John, chapters 8-10.

    • Phoenix

      Why Christianity alone brings the truth, light, fairness, and safety to all and not some other religion? Yea go to history class and learn how Christianity alone brought the truth, dark, oppression, and killing over the centuries of humankind. Just cause majority of the Christians do not kill now doesn’t change Christianity’s dark past.

      • Grace Kim Kwon

        People and tribes and nations killed each other for all time everywhere. Westerners only learn their history and do not know how savage Non-West was before having the contact with the West. The Christendom alone warred for obtaining the objective truth and modernized the world. Other regions warred only for stupid reasons such as land and money and women. Everyone and everything has a dark past by following his heart faithfully; Judeo-Christian teaching alone was misused by being disobeyed. Europe’s Dark Age is not dark at all comparing to the modern Sodomic darkness.

        • Phoenix

          thats what i am trying to point out but some retards thinks their religion is so perfect that everyone should blindly follow it.

          • Grace Kim Kwon

            Christianity alone is truth; the Post-christian Western Civilization is the mega proof for all to see. Christian West has been excellent and superior, but the Post-christian Westerners do not turn to any noble religion or noble ideology but only to infanticide and sexual chaos and suicide; that means Christianity alone is right in the entire universe.

  • Abdul Rahman

    You literally mentioned less than half of quote from quran when you said (as in “Kill the unbelievers wherever you find them”), where the full one is here

    190. And fight in the cause of God those who fight you, but do not commit aggression; God does not love the aggressors.
    191. And kill them wherever you overtake them, and expel them from where they had expelled you. Oppression is more serious than murder. But do not fight them at the Sacred Mosque, unless they fight you there. If they fight you, then kill them. Such is the retribution of the disbelievers.

    This section was talking about the people who kicked out Muslims from Mecca for simply being Muslim, and kept attacking Muslims. You could clearly tell fighting them is only allowed in self defense. And that Muslims can’t attack unless they get attacked. But some how you only mention the part where it stating that “kill them where you find them” . Shameful.

    • Kirby

      Read your own quotation – “Kill unbelievers WHEREVER you find them.” Doesn’t sound to me like this limits anything to Mecca. If it did, things got woefully out of hand for 14 centuries where tens of millions of southeast Indians alone were massacred, raped, and enslaved. Their holy sites were desecrated and destroyed. These were peaceful places in India far removed from Mecca. Now, shall we move onto the Northern African continent? The Middle East? Two fronts of Europe?

      Maybe we should talk about Medina. No, I’m not talking about the false narrative that Muslims are trying to push today along with a complete revamping of all Muslim history. I’m talking about the Jews and Arabs that lived peacefully there side by side in THEIR community. Muhammad tried to proselytize there and was rebuffed so he returned with an army and attacked the inhabitants. The Jews tried twice to surrender under terms – first to leave their farms, businesses, and homes and leave with only what they could carry on a camel or donkey. Muhammad turned them down cold as he did also with their offer to just leave with the clothes on their backs.

      Six to nine hundred men (age 12 and up) had to unconditionally surrender. Their hands were tied behind their backs and a sham trial held. All were beheaded some by Muhammad himself. One of the beheaded men’s wives was forced to marry Muhammad. The rest of the women and children were sold off as slaves with of course much rape.
      This is your 2nd most holy site.

      As for Mecca, there are no survivors to tell their tale, but after the Medina escapade and tens of thousands of others over the past 14 centuries, I’m inclined to think your rendition has been flavored just a tad. Maybe we should discuss “taqiyya” a little, too – ? Then onto abrogation?

      Today in Muslim controlled nations, Christian churches are desecrated and burned by the hundreds every year. Their holy scriptures are burned, urinated on and defecated on. Christians’ women and children are kidnapped, raped, and forced into “marriage” to Muslims. After savage beatings and all kinds of other abuse some (very few) are trotted out on display having been totally humiliated, beaten, and cowed to then state, “I am a Muslim”.

  • Just about

    Allah is simply the Arabic word for God.

    The Arabic language Bible says in the first verse: “In the beginning Allah created the heavens and the earth”.
    The word Allah was not introduced by the blessed Prophet Muhammad, it was and is used by Arabic speaking Christians, Jews as well as by Muslims. Allah is not the Muslim God, but is the same God worshipped b Christians and Jews. Allah is the God of all human beings, Muslims and non-Muslims.

    • davidrev17

      “What’s in a name?” The “only true and living God” (YHWH/YHVH), or “Yahweh” – aka “the self-existent One” – had personally revealed His covenant-keeping, awesomely Holy name to Moses during their “burning bush” encounter in Exodus chapter 3 (i.e., 3:14); an historical event of which had taken place some 2,000 years BEFORE Muhammad ever walked this earth.

      And all one need do is compare side-by-side, the actions, redemptive plans and/or desires for humanity, personal characteristics, responsibilities etc. of both the Creator God revealed in the Hebrew Bible, and this lesser wannabe Creator God “Allah,” of Muhammad’s devising (or imagination); in order to definitively and acutely discern that Yahweh & Allah are diametrically opposed Creator God’s, across-the-board.

      Consequently, the manifestly irrational notion of their somehow being one-and-the-same “God’s,” is not only an historical/factual impossibility – but a logical impossibility as well; seeing as though both the Qur’an & the Judeo-Christian Scriptures clearly present TWO mutually exclusive, thus divergently irreconcilable portraits of this Creator God, and THE redemptive “message” He conveyed to His specially-created spirit creatures called Homo sapiens – while interacting with them during time-space-dimension history. God simply cannot “speak with fork-tongue”; or said another way: “He cannot LIE”! (i.e., Numbers 23:19; Hebrews 6:18)

      • Just about

        Long narrative, but no foundation. Let me remind you what Jesus had called upon God in the most critical moment in his life when he was in need of help and god help from God and surely never got crucified.

        Mark 15:34 : And at the ninth hour, Jesus shouted in a loud voice, “Eloi Eloi lama sabachthani?” which is translated, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?”

        :The Arabic Bible will read it ” ‘O Allah’ ‘O Allah’, why have you forsaken me”!

        Sorry, Jesus never Called upon God ” ‘YHWH/YHVH’ ‘ YHWH/YHVH’, why have you forgotten me.
        Without dragging it to a unnecessary debate, Wish you well. Believe in one God, God of Moses, Jesus, Abraham, and Muhammad, who is only one and only God and brought this world into existence and want us to follow His commands and not to quarrel on His name. Peace.

        • davidrev17

          My friend, neither you, nor any other Islamic adherent on this planet (scholar or otherwise), could possibly read any part of the 27-books comprising the New Testament, then rationally/logically conclude, that Yeshua/Jesus NEVER DIED physically – let alone his actual physical/bodily resurrection from the dead “on the third day” taking place, shortly thereafter.

          I told you already that it was virtually impossible for our (NON-physical TRIUNE), morally perfect omniscient Creator God, “YHWH” (“Yahweh”), to either LIE, or be capable of providing “conflicting revelation”; i.e., meaning He cannot “speak with fork-tongue”! Therefore, I implore you with all my heart, to carefully research what biblical scholars have certifiably identified as the “Islamic Catch 22”; since the very words of Muhammad (thus Islamic literature in general) has irrefutably demonstrated his ignominious status of being a “false prophet,” of whom has spoken in true logically contradictory (i.e., erroneous) fashion.

          (BTW: Just a cursory reading of the NT Gospels, conclusively reveal that Judas had already committed suicide BEFORE Jesus had “dismissed his own Spirit,” or “breathed his last,” while hanging from the cross upon which he’d been nailed with spikes!)

          How can you possibly expect thinking-people to take your blasphemously contradictory claims seriously, especially when it concerns such critically relevant theological issues for all of humanity?? Plus, how you’re able to LIFT a verse not only out of context – but right-off-the-pages of Holy Scripture above (i.e., Mark 15:34) – while ignoring, or remaining oblivious to what’s recorded before-and-after said verse, is absolutely beyond my limited capability to grasp/process. So I took the liberty of providing the actual context for Mark 15:34, just below.

          ☆ ☆ ☆

          “For this reason the Father loves me [Jesus], because I lay down my life that I may take it up again. No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down, and I have authority to take it up again. This charge I have received from MY Father” (John 10:17-18/ESV)

          “So the Jews said to him, “What sign do you show us for doing these things?”Jesus answered them, “Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.” The Jews then said, “It has taken forty-six years to build this temple, and will you raise it up in three days?” But he was speaking about the temple of his body. When therefore he was raised from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this, and they believed the Scripture and the word that Jesus had spoken” (John 2:18-22/ESV).

          ☆ ☆ ☆

          “From that time Jesus began to show his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things from the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed, and on the third day be raised” (Matthew 16:21; see also Matthew 12:39-40; 27:62-64).

          ☆ ☆ ☆

          “Then when JUDAS, his [Jesus’] betrayer, saw that Jesus was condemned, he changed his mind and brought back the thirty pieces of silver to the chief priests and the elders, saying, “I have sinned by betraying innocent blood.” They said, “What is that to us? See to it yourself.” And throwing down the pieces of silver into the temple, he [Judas] departed, and he [Judas] went and hanged himself.” (Matthew 27:3-5/ESV, emphasis added. See also in this context, Acts 1:16-26.)

          ☆ ☆ ☆

          “And they crucified him [Jesus] and divided his garments among them, casting lots for them, to decide what each should take. And it was the third hour when they crucified him [Jesus]. And the inscription of the charge against him read, “The King of the Jews.” And with him they crucified two robbers, one on his right and one on his left. And those who passed by derided him, wagging their heads and saying, “Aha! You who would destroy the temple and rebuild it in three days, save yourself, and come down from the cross” (Mark 15:24-30/ESV, emphasis mine, of course).

          ☆ ☆ ☆

          “And when evening had come, since it was the day of Preparation, that is, the day before the Sabbath, Joseph of Arimathea, a respected member of the council, who was also himself looking for the kingdom of God, took courage and went to Pilate AND ASKED FOR THE BODY OF JESUS. Pilate was surprised to hear that he [Jesus] should have already died. And summoning the centurion, he [Pilate] asked him whether he [Jesus] was already dead. And when he learned from the centurion that he [Jesus] was dead, he granted the CORPSE to Joseph. And Joseph bought a linen shroud, and taking him [Jesus] down [from the cross], wrapped him [Jesus] in the linen shroud and laid him in a tomb that had been cut out of the rock. And he [Joseph] rolled a stone against the entrance of the tomb. Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of Joses saw where he [Jesus] was laid” (Mark 15:42-47/ESV, my emphasis again).

          ☆ ☆ ☆

          And finally, we have this resounding testimony IN HEAVEN itself, found in the Book of Revelation, chapter five (5). Pease notice WHO’S receiving wholesale worship from heaven’s inhabitants too – IN the very presence of our TRIUNE Creator, “seated upon the throne” no less:

          “Then I saw in the right hand of him who was seated on the throne a scroll written within and on the back, sealed with seven seals. And I saw a mighty angel proclaiming with a loud voice, “Who is worthy to open the scroll and break its seals?” And no one in heaven or on earth or under the earth was able to open the scroll or to look into it, and I began to weep loudly because no one was found worthy to open the scroll or to look into it. And one of the elders said to me, “Weep no more; behold, the Lion of the tribe of Judah, the Root of David, has conquered, so that he can open the scroll and its seven seals.”

          “And between the throne and the four living creatures and among the elders I saw a LAMB standing, as though it had been SLAIN, with seven horns and with seven eyes, which are the seven spirits of God sent out into all the earth. And he [the resurrected/glorified Lord Jesus, the “Lamb of God”] went and took the scroll from the right hand of him who was seated on the throne.

          “And when he had taken the scroll, the four living creatures and the twenty-four elders FELL DOWN BEFORE THE LAMB, each holding a harp, and golden bowls full of incense, which are the prayers of the saints. And they sang a new song, saying, “Worthy are you to take the scroll and to open its seals, for you were SLAIN, and by your blood you ransomed people for God from every tribe and language and people and nation, and you have made them a kingdom and priests to our God, and they shall reign on the earth” (Revelation 5:1-10/ESV, my emphasis again).

          • Just about

            Dear Brother if that does not prove, without doubt Jesus never died, let me quote you from your own Bible without doubt that Jesus never God crucified:

            Hebrews 5:7 New International Version (NIV)

            ” During the days of Jesus’ life on earth, he offered up prayers and petitions with fervent cries and tears to the one who could save him from death, and he was heard because of his reverent submission.”

          • davidrev17

            Now I’ve just about heard/read it all my friend, theologically speaking, that is. You cannot logically have it both ways.

            Either Yeshua [Jesus] of Nazareth is THE false prophet, not to mention an outright deceiver, and a liar; thus the consistent testimony within the Judeo-Christian Scriptures is woefully in error – or else the same indictment must, of logical necessity, be laid at-the-feet of Muhammad, the Qur’an, and the rest of Islamic literature.

            So, according to your own words on this post: you actually find yourself inextricably bound within the unyielding logical straitjacket of the “Islamic Catch-22.” What’s your eternally consequential decision gonna be? “Will the real” Jesus and/or Muhammad, “please stand up”? Have a very blessed week!

          • Kirby

            “And why would not God, the most Kind and Loving, listen to a crying of His servant and relieve him of death.”
            Perhaps because “death” is what He sent Him for – ? He was sent to defeat death which in fact He did. He died and then was resurrected in great power. Having thus defeated death, His own passing then defeated it for all time for all who decided to follow Him.
            All of Isaiah 53 and many many other prophecies throughout the entire OT refute what you say and lay out God’s intent that His Messiah was “wounded for our transgressions” (Isaiah 53:5a), “led as a lamb to the slaughter” (Isaiah 53:7c), “For He was cut off from the land of the living” (Isaiah 53:8:c) – and then Isaiah 53:8d explains the purpose of that death – “For the transgressions of my people He was stricken”, and:
            Isaiah 53:10
            “Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise Him; He has put Him to grief. When You make His soul an offering for sin, He shall see His seed, He shall prolong His days, And the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in His hand.”
            Isaiah 53:11
            “He shall see the labor of His soul, and be satisfied. By His knowledge My righteous Servant shall justify many, For He shall bear their iniquities.”
            Isaiah 53:12
            “Therefore I will divide Him a portion with the great, And He shall divide the spoil with the strong, Because He poured out His soul unto death, And He was numbered with the transgressors, And He bore the sin of many, And made intercession for the transgressors.”

            None of the above in just Isaiah alone is exhaustive. I quote Isaiah because after it was long ago translated and retranslated several times, the discovery (1947 – 1956) of the Dead Sea Scrolls proved the validity of those translations. 19 copies of the book of Isaiah were found along with numerous other books both intact and fragmented. They were figured to be written about 200 B.C.

            Islam of course has sought to corrupt all translations to suit their fantasies and sensibilities to evade Truth – Jesus said “I am the Truth”. This is counter to Islam whose prophet and book both command Muslims to practice lie and deceit – “taqiyya”, against the infidels.

  • Kirby

    Admittedly, it is difficult to refute the truth.

  • Kirby

    I fully understand. The Truth is difficult to say anything against.

  • Phoenix

    Right? this guy is basically ruining the name of Christianity and saying that Christians are racist who cant get along without actually saying it. When muslims kills its everything but when Christianity kills its noting. Why is Christianity the world’s most populous religion and not Christianity? Cause we killed more people than any other religion.

  • Azeez Agbona Horiyomi

    ISLAM IS COMPLETE CODE OF LIFE. It is a package that includes Dos, Donts, rituals, day to day instructions, dealings at all places, environment, people, communities etc., individually as well collectively.

    Next is the way. It is a way of life that has been demonstrated through sunnah of prophet pbuh. Exact replication is never possible, but a set of broad outlines have been given that are to be followed. Attitudes, relationships, interactions etc. are mentioned for practicing and also guiding others, as a role model.

    Like other followers, Muslims also have not properly adopted the spirit and real teachings; instead they try to have a mixture. That makes many of them dual personalities, i.e., on one side they claim to be staunch followers, on the other Dos and Donts are set aside and satanic elements creep in.

    Basic idea to practice is to be pious, honest, considerate, sympathetic, empathetic, tolerant, accommodating, guiding, polite and humble, at the same time rising to occasion and showing character that is essentially required. THEREFORE, THERE ARE MANY BAD EXAMPLES. Black sheep within their ranks abound. They damage ummah badly. They become pawn to external pressures and greed. Their faith is not only weak but also erratic. There are white sheep inducted. . . We see corruption, illegal practices and immoral activities are rife in Muslim countries.

    IF WAY OF LIFE ADOPTED PROPERLY, BRAIN, MIND AND SPIRIT WILL BE PREPARED TO PERFORM GREATER TASKS FOR THE SAKE OF GREATER BENEFITS TO HUMANITY, IRRESPECTIVE OF RELIGIOUS AND OTHER ATTACHMENTS.

    I find no problem in offering five prayers in masjid. I feel no irksomeness when water is cold during ablution. I remember the sunnah to clean teeth with miswak (and/or brush), while wearing (kamees, shalwar, shoes etc.) right-first rule and taking off left-first rule, and so on. There is no pressure if I recite special prayer (dua) on getting up after sleep, or entering into masjid or coming out of masjid, entering my house etc. etc. ALL THESE ARE BABY STEPS TOWARDS ACQUIRING A GOAL MUCH BIGGER THAN WORLDLY BENEFITS.

    All that sums up to LIVING FOR SELF AND OTHERS IN ACCORDANCE WITH SOCIETAL NEEDS. If our elite fails to behave sanely, that is probably our own bad luck, and only we are to be blamed for what we hear every now and then.

    Thanks for reading the above.

  • daniel

    A student pointed out this article to me and I think this is a great illustration of the “No True Scotsman” fallacy. I’ll use it in my classes.

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