Here Come the Drag Queens

By Michael Brown Published on June 4, 2017

Make no mistake about it. From the moment gay activists came out of the closet in America, their agenda was clear: Society must get over its anti-gay sentiments and embrace everything gay — and I mean everything.

That’s why many of them were so brazen. They chanted, “We’re here, we’re queer, get used to it.”

That’s why gay pride parades were marked by the most offensive elements of the gay community, even if they were not representative of the whole.

That’s why it was drag queens who led the way in the 1969 Stonewall Riots. They were part of the frontline resistance, and they were out, proud and unashamed.

The “Self-Policing Social Code”

To be sure, some gay leaders in the 1980’s realized that this was a self-defeating strategy. If gay activism was to achieve its goals, it would have to put forth a different image, a more family-oriented, less-promiscuous, less-bizarre image.

Marshall Kirk and Hunter Madsen articulated some of this new strategy in the book After the Ball: How America Will Conquer Its Fear and Hatred of Gays in the 90’s (New York: Penguin, 1989, p. 145). They wrote, “The effect of presenting a bigot with an extreme instance of his stereotypic picture/label pair is to augment the strength of the bigotry.”

In other words, we were the bigots, and to present us with the most extreme images of the gay community was to confirm and even heighten our bigotry.

So, Kirk and Madsen called for a “Self-Policing Social Code,” with words of advice like this: “If I’m a Pederast or a Sadomasochist, I’ll Keep It Under Wraps, and Out of Gay Pride Marches.”

They also called for the “conversion of the average American’s emotions, mind, and will, through a planned psychological attack, in the form of propaganda fed to the nation via the media” (p. 153).

And what would this propaganda look like?

Rather than exposing “bigots” like us to images of drag queens in their weird outfits or gay men gyrating in their underwear, we’d be bombarded by images of couples like Dan and Don, who’ve been together for 30 years, along with their adopted son Jason, and their pet dog Molly.

Do such gay couples exist? Of course. Are they more common than drag queens? Maybe so.

But statistics weren’t the issue. Image was the issue. And gay strategists fully understood that America would not embrace their goals as long as the most extreme elements of their society were at the forefront.

Transgender activists understood this strategy as well. That’s why they made a clear distinction between themselves and drag queens. “No, we’re not like them, and this has nothing to do with sexual orientation. We’re just normal people trapped in the wrong body, like little Sammy who’s really Sally.”

Americans could embrace that before they could embrace “Little Hot Mess” the drag queen.

But now that so many of the goals of LGBT activism have been realized, there’s no reason to push some of their own to the back of the bus, so to say.

And what does this mean, practically speaking? It means here come the drag queens.

Here Come the Drag Queens

It was drag queens who put pressure on Facebook in 2014 to change one of its fundamental policies, which required that you had to use your real name, not a made-up name. Before this time, drag queen John Doe could not use the name “Big Suzie Q,” which in his mind was his real name. Facebook apologized and changed its policy.

But that was minor compared to what’s happening today.

A concerned parent from Bloomington, Indiana wrote to me, saying, “Our local library always has a summer reading program for children.” Included was a link with this announcement for parents of children ages 2-6: “Learn about someone new! Local drag queens present stories and encourage us all to embrace our uniqueness.” Yes, for children ages 2-6!

This is perverse and outrageous. “Parents, bring your toddlers and little children to the library where local homosexual men who dress up as flamboyant women will read stories to them.” Here come the drag queens!

But it gets even worse. Much worse.

The Gyrating Drag Queen at a Grade School Talent Show

As Todd Starnes reports, “Parents are furious after children as young as 5-years-old were exposed to an erotic drag show performance at what was supposed to be a school district talent show.”

How bad was it? Take a moment to read some excerpts from the article.

The New York Daily News described the lewd performance as ‘complete with gyrations, tongue gymnastics and a flashed G-string.’” (If this seems vulgar to read – and it is – can you imagine being there with your little kids?)

“The May 25th performance shocked and enraged parents who could not believe the school district would allow a grown man to spread his legs and display his crotch to wide-eyed children.”

One parent “filmed the seven-minute routine on her cell phone and provided me with a copy. It’s jaw-dropping, folks. And when the drag queen dropped to the floor and began writhing in a sexually-suggestive manner, the auditorium erupted.”

Did you get that? This perverse performance was 7 minutes long. In front of 5-year-olds. I’m shocked some parents didn’t walk right up to the stage and shut the whole thing down.

And what happened when this drag queen started writhing on the floor in a sexually-suggestive manor?

“Once he got to that part it was chaos,” parent Raquel Morales said. “People were yelling and leaving. A lot of parents were saying had they known this was going to happen they would have taken their kids out after they had performed.” I would hope so! This is absolute madness.

And how did such a degraded performance take place at all?

“The talent show was emceed by District 4 Superintendent Alexandra Estrella. And the individual who performed in drag was identified as the president of the Public School 96 Parent Association” (my emphasis).

This is sick, and this man needs serious help. (If you’re offended by my saying this, be offended. Truth is sometimes offensive.) The district superintendent needs serious help too. How can these people be trusted with such positions of authority?

The Cat is Out of the Bag

Now, I believe there are gay readers who are also upset as they read this account, saying, “That drag queen does not represent me. What he did is just plain filthy.”

Unfortunately, the cat is now of the bag, and if it’s gay (or trans), it’s got to be good.

That means if a gay couple is monogamish rather than monogamous, we’ve got to embrace it. Gay love is good!

And that means when a boy who identifies as a girl beats the girls at a track meet, we’ve got to celebrate it. You go boy-girl!

And that means when a drag queen wants to read stories to your two-year-old or, better still, gyrate and flash his G-string in front of your 5-year-old, you must show your appreciation.

In other words, our sentiments should be, “You’re here, you’re queer, and we’re used to it. In fact, we love it.”

Count me out of that one, friends. Enough is simply enough.

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  • Gary

    Since EVERYONE is a bigot, we need to stop worrying about being called a bigot. I stopped caring about that long ago. I also don’t mind being called a homophobe because that is defined as someone who opposes homosexuality, which I certainly do. So does God. That means God is the Ultimate Homophobe.

    One group homosexuals will never win over to their side is Christians. I mean REAL Christians. People who believe the Bible and identify themselves with Jesus Christ. Those real Christians are a minority among the millions who falsely claim to be Christians. Many fake Christians endorse homosexuality, and most, if not all, that goes with it. But real Christians will always oppose homosexuality, bisexuality, transsexuality, and any other variation from heterosexuality that is out there. The homosexuals understand that real Christians are their real enemies. So, if you are a real Christian, don’t be surprised at the vitriol that comes your way from homosexuals and their enablers.

    • JP

      Amen. When people refuse to listen to the truth then the time for mocking their position has come. People need to see the absurdity and evil for what it is.

      • And we do, it’s you that is spreading the evil. How I live my life has nothing to do with you, homosexuality is only something you hear and read about, like most these Christians. You have no right to judge on something you know nothing about and will probably never have any kind of impact on your life. You have no idea the pain most of us went through growing up in the 70’s and 80’s, especially living in the midwest. If nothing else, focus on how the bible says judgement will be made by God and God alone. And believe it or not, God hasn’t said a word about any of this to anyone. No matter what you Catholics believe.

        • Gary

          The Bible is very clear about the immorality of homosexuality.

          • Really? Can you please list what it says and the section that it’s in? I want proof and if it states those 3 words, I will gladly apologize to you. But it’s time for proof to start backing up these comments that are used so freely, just spreading hate.

          • Gary

            Leviticus 18:22, 20:13; Romans chapter one; 1 Corinthians 6:9,10. God limits moral sex to marriage, and God defines marriage as the union of a man and woman as husband and wife. Mark 10:6-8, Matthew 19:4,5.

          • Okay, just as I thought. Only verse that comes close is Leviticus. The others just refer to a man and a woman becoming 1 flesh. Even Leviticus could be taken a different way. I shouldn’t even have to say this but, this was all written in a completely different time, and can be taken so many different ways by the person reading it. And since no one can say for sure what it truely means, my point stands…Christians take the words and form their own opinions and judgments and use that as their proof that it’s ok to discriminate and spread hate about another human being.
            I mean, COME ON! Was it ok for the Germans to kill Jews? Was it ok for white people to use black people as slaves with no rights? How can you people not see the connections and how horrible you really are!

          • JM

            You obviously know that homosexuality is a sin. stop trying to pretend that it’s not.

          • Timothy Horton

            “Sin” isn’t a recognized term in the United States legal code. Neither is “immorality”. Your personal opinions on the two mean absolutely nothing to most everyone else.

          • Timothy Horton

            “Sin” isn’t a recognized term in the United States Legal Code. Neither is “immorality”. Your personal opinions of the two have zero weight weight with anyone else.

          • Timothy Horton

            “Sin” isn’t a recognized term in the United States Legal Code. Neither is “immorality”. Your personal opinions of the two have zero weight with anyone else.

          • JM

            Stop being such a moron

          • JM

            Why have you chosen such a foolish view of life? all this pro-queer and anti-Godness. why such a view?

          • No, you have the problem, thinking that it’s a sin. Its who I am, I was born this way. It’s none of your business, if nothing else, it’ll be a conversation I will be having with God when we meet. I’m sure since I was created this way and it was not a choice, he will at least have an answer for me. So until that time, you people need to stop spreading hate cause I guarantee ya, He’s gonna wanna know why you felt it was ok to judge another human being, judge and hate. Worry about your own lives and mortal souls!

          • JM

            Show me where in the Bible does it say homosexuals are born that way also show me in the Bible where homosexuality was ever affirmed by God/Jesus or any of the apostles

          • Timothy Horton

            Show me where in the Bible does it say homosexuals are born that way

            It’s right next to the part which says heterosexuals are born that way.

          • JM

            Sorry. but homosexuality is a sin so no one is born as a homosexual. show me in the Bible where it says heterosexuality is a sin.

          • I AM A GAY MAN!!!! I have never been with a woman, never had the desire. I am telling you, I did not choose to spend my first 19 years of life alone, pretending to be something I wasn’t, afraid of not only getting beat up and made fun of, but also being told I would be going to hell for the way I was. You think I chose to live like that, where suicide thoughts were always on my mind. Even afraid to tell my mother and father, scared of how they would react. I’ve been through it so stop with claiming its a choice. You Catholics can’t even stop and just listen, no compassion at all. I am Homosexual along with so many others out there. I made it through but with people like you Catholics out there that can’t even understand, I feel sorry for kids growing up confused now but I can at least try to voice the truth, we are here, we are born queer, and you got to get use to it. But don’t worry, we won’t affect your lives at all but you sure are affecting ours.

          • Timothy Horton

            I’ve said it many times – people like JM have been indoctrinated and brainwashed into hatred and intolerance by their religion since they were little kids. Reason and logic don’t work on them.

          • Jim Walker

            which part of your body tells you that you are gay ?

          • I guess the same part in your body that tells you your straight. Its like how straight men feel no desire towards other men, there has never been a desire towards any females. So being 43 now and still to this day, kissing is the farthest I’ve been with a female, I can say with no doubt at all, I was born gay just as you were born straight. Thank you for asking.

          • Timothy Horton

            Which part of your body tells you that you are hetero?

          • Jim Walker

            Me : Body & Mind
            LGBTQ : Mind.

          • Timothy Horton

            Me : Body & Mind
            LGBTQ : Mind.

            Wrong. Who you are attracted to comes only from the physiological development of your brain which you call “mind”.

          • JM

            also show me where homosexuality was ever affirmed by God/Jesus or any of the apostles

          • JM

            Show me where it says God created some people homosexual. we know he wanted heterosexuality. I mean all you have to do is open the Bible and read it. everything in it is heterosexual. show me where it says God wanted some people to be homosexual

          • JM

            Show me in the Bible where it says some people are born transgender

          • Timothy Horton

            Show me in the Bible where it says all people are born heterosexual.

          • JM

            Answer my question. all people are born heterosexual. male and female he made them. all through out the Bible we see God created man and woman for each other. there is nowhere in the Bible where it says that God also created the man for the man. there is not a single homosexual relationship in the Bible. God created each and every one of us heterosexual.

          • Timothy Horton

            Answer my question.

            Answer mine.

            all people are born heterosexual.

            No, they aren’t and to claim such is the height of scientific ignorance.

          • JM

            Yes the are. science does not back the idea of people being born homosexual. born homosexual is just something invented by homosexual activists with no science behind it.

          • Timothy Horton

            If you claim people can consciously choose their sexual orientation then give us the details of when and how you consciously chose yours.

          • Cynthia Cantrell

            Mathew 19:12 “For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others—and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it.”

          • brothergc

            The Bible never uses the words homosexual and eunuch interchangeably. Furthermore, eunuchs are never referred to in Scripture as being in sin, while homosexuality is universally condemned in both the Old and New Testaments.

          • Cynthia Cantrell

            The question was “Show me in the Bible where it says some people are born transgender.”

            Eunuch is usually considered to be the word for transgender before the latter word was invented.

            As you mention though, eunuchs are never mentioned as being in sin. In fact, an Ethiopian eunuch was one of the earliest people converted to Christianity. There was never any hint of harassment towards that person. Looking at comments throughout the Stream though, trans people are a frequent target of ridicule here. There seems to be no biblical justification for it. They seem to be thrown in with the gays for the convenience of belligerence.

          • JM

            Heterosexuality is what God wanted for humans. show me where in the Bible does it say he wants homosexuality for humans or also wanted homosexuality for humans

          • Jim Walker

            JM, we have use all biblical context to explain to him so its no point to reason with him. I think prayers is better.

          • Gary

            You are trying to justify homosexuality by claiming some people are born homosexual. But even if they were, it still does not justify homosexual behavior, since homosexual behavior is against the rules God made.

          • Timothy Horton

            Your religion doesn’t get to make “rules” which all people are obliged to follow.

          • JM

            Timothy is a closeted homosexual and that is why he sticking up for this perversion

          • Timothy Horton

            LOL! You bigots haven’t figured out yet you can’t insult someone by misrepresenting their sexual orientation.

          • JM

            it’s not a sexual orientation. it’s a perversion. the reason stick up for this is because you have been brainwashed to believe that this is normal and that is these people were born that way. which neither of that is true. these people were born heterosexual too but chose to be homosexual along the way. you need to lay off those homosexual websites that you go to that only feed you lies.

          • Timothy Horton

            If you weren’t so scientifically ignorant I’d point you to multiple papers with evidence your sexuality is not a conscious choice. But you are so I won’t bother.

            Still waiting for you to tell us when and how you consciously chose your own sexual orientation. Why are you so hesitant?

          • JM

            papers written by political correct liars who side with homosexuals. of course they’re going to lie for homosexuals. they’re in bed with them. don’t give me crap

          • Timothy Horton

            LOL! Just like the YECs, the homophobic bigots have to claim all scientific papers which directly rebut their ignorance must be part of the big Anti-Christian Conspiracy.

            Funniest part is they have no idea how dumb and dishonest such claims make them look. 🙂

          • JM

            homophobic implies fear I don’t fear homosexuals. I disagree with them and bigot just means a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions. and why you so hung up on forcing people to agree with this perversion? If you want to agree with butt buddies that’s you, but stop trying to force others to agree with that

          • Timothy Horton

            You can be as hateful and bigoted as you like in your private life. Just don’t bring that hate and bigotry out in public where it hurts other people.

          • clarkma5

            EVERYTHING IS A CONSPIRACY AGAINST ME. I AM THE CENTER OF THE UNIVERSE.

            Messiah complex anyone? Yeesh!

          • Jeremy L

            “chose to be homosexual along the way.” Yes. People who were attracted to the opposite sex all their lives sometimes suddenly “decide” out of the blue to be attracted to the same sex. They force their bodies to erotically respond to things they were never attracted to or aroused by previously. And they do it even though they’d have to take a lot of crap and harassment from religious people and possibly get rejected by their friends and family. That’s just how evil they are!

          • clarkma5

            Exactly, keep your grubby church’s paws off the laws of our secular society that was explicitly built with our founders to STOP churches oppressing people through the levers of the state, as that is part of what they were escaping with the anglican church of england.

            If you propose you want the evangelical church of America in effect, because you want to regulate other people (this is always where the conversation goes after all), I think you’re effectively committing a treason-level act against the state, given its history and founding documents.

          • Dena

            It’s like saying an alcoholic, a drug dealer is born that way. We all have tendencies to different things, but we make a choice to act them out. It’s your choice to sin or not too. You end up paying the consequences for poor decisions.

          • clarkma5

            Tim, you’re awesome, keep it up!

          • Gary

            Your “theology” is not taken from the Bible, but is something you make up as you go.

          • clarkma5

            It’s actually very clear about how SHOU THALL NOT JUDGE.

            It says very little about homosexuality, in fact…Jesus himself literally never said anything about it. The deuteronomy bit about “man shall not lie with man as they lie with woman, it is an abomination” is listed alongside a bunch of other “abominations” such as eating shellfish. Abomination was actually a poor translation from the original text, which used a much less severe word than abomination that basically meant “eh, we might recommend against doing that…”. Which is why homosexuality is listed as abomination next to a bunch of other minor, minor things.

            Lastly, Romans 1 is constantly misinterpreted by bad christians. It literally means the exact opposite of what small-c christian homophobes think it means: it uses homosexuals as an example to say “if you judge these sinners, you are as bad as the sinner for judging”.

            Romans 2:1 You, therefore, have no excuse,
            you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge
            another, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do
            the same things.

        • JP

          Actually homosexuality has had a big negative impact on my life. I have know a few homosexuals who died before their time because of AIDS, My insurance premiums are higher because homosexuals need expensive drugs to live. Everyone pays for this. Have you looked at the health stats on homosexuality at the Center for Disease Control?

          • Timothy Horton

            You aren’t seriously going to argue that AIDS is a gay only disease, are you?

          • JP

            No. However, homosexual men suffer most from AIDS and other diseases.

          • Timothy Horton

            Some gay men have AIDS so all non-hetero people deserve to be legally discriminated against. Is that how your logic goes?

          • JP

            How does a homosexual person prove they are homosexual in public so that they can be discriminated against?

          • Jim Walker

            You are inviting your friends here aren’t you ?
            Why don’t you go debate with the muslims in their forum ? No guts ? I will go register together with you to keep you company.

          • clarkma5

            No we come of our own free will to teach and taunt you fools. Why do you conservatives always get so paranoid and assume everything is a fix?

            Usually only the oppressors at the top of the pile are afraid of an uprising.

          • clarkma5

            THAT IS SO SELFISH AND RIDICULOUS, YOU HAVE NO SENSE OF PERSPECTIVE.

            That is totally endemic of how your souls are twisted and lack empathy and understanding. It’s so frustrating to see you spouting evil BS and not even KNOWING. You think you’re explaining why you’re in the right and every word exposes you as a person of miserable character…

            You are so selfish as to complain about people who got ill, and the problem got so much worse BECAUSE evangelicals hate gays, are terrified sex, and fought against any sort of care or prevention of outreach to gays, whether or not they had HIV at all! YOU MADE THE PROBLEM WORSE. YOU TOTALLY LACK UNDERSTANDING THAT YOUR HIGH HEALTHCARE PREMIUMS ARE DUE TO YOUR HATEFUL IDEOLOGY HURTING PEOPLE.

            It ALSO shows that you just have no sense of perspective of how much it sucks for someone to be ill like that, and how little your problems are, and how little you are, and you’ve inflated your ego to be as big as the universe like all evangelicals and I am telling you NO. You are WAY TOO PROUD. You are WAY TOO ENTITLED. You are WAY TOO SELFISH. You are WAY TOO IGNORANT. You are WAY TOO CRUEL.

          • JP

            Don’t shoot the messenger. I just gave the facts and the facts shows a lot of people are suffering because they are doing should not be doing.

          • Timothy Horton

            A lot more are suffering because of the ignorance and discrimination from homophobic bigots just like you.

          • JP

            That is not true. Bigotry doesn’t send people to the hospital. Engaging in any sex outside of a marriage between a man and a woman will.

          • Timothy Horton

            Bigotry doesn’t send people to the hospital

            It sent Matthew Shepard to the morgue.

          • JP

            It my understanding he was killed because of drugs.

          • Timothy Horton

            You understand wrong. He was tied to a fence post and beaten to death by two big burly Christian boys simply because he was gay.

        • clarkma5

          Hear hear, these people are willfully ignorant and unempathetic to spread hate and soothe their consciences. If they actually connected with other human beings and learned, they would find love, and shed hate.

    • Michael Childress

      I have to question this post. Hatred is not and should not be a characteristic of a Christian. When you view others as your enemy, you will have very little chance of showing them their error or winning them to Christ.

      • Gary

        I never try to win sodomites to Christ. They are reprobates.

    • Sorry but that is not correct, God the ultimate Homophobe. I was born as a homosexual just as you were born heterosexual. I went to Catholic schools growing up And if we gotta go the religion route, well we were both created by God in his image so sorry to say but you are no better than me. But yet, God speaks to you right? He has told you himself that he opposes homosexuality huh? And he’s ok with you calling him the Ultimate Homophobe? You Catholics are just amazing! Even in 2017 with all the advances we’ve made, it’s still the Catholics that are causing most of the problems and just trying to keep everyone from going forward. Especially with articles like this. No compassion, only instant judgement.

      • Gary

        If God made you a sodomite, it proves that He never liked you. And I am NOT a Catholic. I’m a Baptist.

        • Proof, where’s the proof? And I was always taught God loved everyone. We were all created in his image.

        • Jason Todd

          Unfortunately, I could not respond to Jashizi’s blasphemy, but I did flag and block him.

          Disgusting.

          • Timothy Horton

            Most all of your hateful bigoted and intolerant comments are disgusting, yes.

          • Timothy Horton

            Yes, the way your religion teaches you to hate and be intolerant of all not like yourself is disgusting.

          • clarkma5

            You cannot respond because you are intellectually incapable of coming up with a decent counter argument, so instead, you attempt to claim the high ground by quitting in “disgust”.

            Disgust is a cheap commodity with you evangelicals. You overflow with it, as beings corrupted by satan would. We know it doesn’t mean anything, and avoid getting it on ourselves to continue our mission to make people more decent.

        • clarkma5

          Ahhhh, Calvinism! THE RIDICULOUS ROOT OF ALL YOUR EVIL.

          I think satan infected the evangelical churches with the ridiculous hubris when they co-opted the calivinist ideal of predestination, and said, “we are the predestined”.

          The point of Calivinism was to make you humble because you never knew. You claim you know. Even according to your own backward heritage, you’re doing it wrong. And pride goeth before the fall.

    • clarkma5

      Small-c christians who misinterpret the bible to justify hating homosexuals are worse sinners than the homosexuals themselves…it says so IN THE BIBLE.

      Romans 1:16-17, Peter begins introducing a story. At the end of 1:17 he says “for”, translated from the original “gar”, which signifies a change in speakers. In 1:18-23 he relates a story IN THE VOICE OF ANOTHER SPEAKER (a gentile) about how they are justified condemning homosexuals. This whole sequence is commonly misinterpreted by evangelicals and biblical literalists who don’t appreciate the bible’s rich history or the context of how and when it was written.

      Peter returns to his own voice in Romans 2:1, to say with regard to his story about the gentiles condeming homosexuality, “You, therefore, have no excuse,
      you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge
      another, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do
      the same things.”

      The lesson Romans 1:16 through 2:1 is that good Christians will withhold judging sinners, even sinners that seem particularly condemnable, as a test of their decency. Those who fail that test and judge sinners before the kingdom of God has a chance are worse than the sinners they judge.

      That is you, and everyone who agrees with you. You misunderstand your own bible, and have twisted it to support hate and fear of others, which shows utter contempt for the teachings of Christ himself.

      You who will use your bible to beat others are not Christians, you are anti-Christians, as you directly oppose what Christ himself taught.

      I forgive you for your ignorance, it’s been hammered into you by others and by the society you find yourself in, but I do not support your ongoing adherence to the philosophies of bigotry, and your weak explanations why your immorality is actually moral.

      Evangelical misreading of the bible is one of the biggest reasons our world faces such intense moral decay. I am gay and want the moral decay to start. It starts with the church finding Christ again, and leaving hate.

  • Jeff Batchelor

    I believe Marylin Manson asked this question. “Is adult entertainment destroying our children ,or is destroying our children adult entertainment?
    This was a sickening article to read. Thanks for the warning.

  • Nicholas

    Agreed, Dr. Brown. They are poisoning and sexualizing the minds of young children. They are pushing the envelope more and more. What’s their next step? Showing kids outright pornography and legalizing sex with minors? I’m sure they’ll trot out some psychologist who will explain to us uneducated Neanderthals how this will somehow be beneficial to young minds.

    • Jackie

      oh, that’s already started too. Have you heard about that children’s book “mommy laid an egg”? Outright showing children sexual positions as ‘cartoons’ Watch what your children can see.

      • clarkma5

        We want what’s best for children like anyone else. The evangelical approach to sex is insane and damaging to child development. It tells kids NOTHING useful or accurate about sex, which is basically the one thing that EVERYBODY DOES. The result is unwanted pregnancy, rape, sexual disease transmission, fear, anxiety about sex, lack of ability to enjoy sex as an adult, sexual violence as a teen or adult…etc.

        WHAT DO YOU GAIN FROM SUCH INTENTIONAL WILLFUL IGNORANCE BESIDES ONGOING MIND CONTROL OF YOUR PROGENY, LIKE YOUR PARENTS INDOCTRINATED YOU!?

        • Jackie

          Um, the book I talk about was made for preschoolers. Talk to teens about sex, teach them, but not prepubescent children! Idiot, a child does not need to know such graphic sex, should not know about it. Leave that for teens and adults.
          Btw, not evangelical.

          • clarkma5

            You need to learn more about child development. The concepts of sex and sexuality are healthy to introduce to children young in life. That does not mean you teach toddlers how to use condoms and depict actual copulation to them in any meaningful way. You start by teaching them about their bodies, so they are knowledgeable and empowered to not be abused, to have a decent baseline for self-esteem, and to have a good mental state leading into later learning.

            You can’t just be ignorant until you’re a teen and absorb things. The human mind develops quickest and strongest in the prepubescent years, that is really where our emotional experience is formed. If we hide children from sex out of our own fear and shame, and then try to teach it to them later, we wasted their developmental years that could have taught them a healthy, secure baseline about their own bodies and how to treat the bodies of others by instead teaching them our very own shame and fear about sex, propagating a fair deal of the abuse, shame, depression, etc. that affects kids, teens, and adults all alike around body image and sexual abuse.

            The book you’re talking about depicts the general concepts behind conception and childbirth through humor and illustration to enlighten preschool to 2nd grade aged children to an appropriate degree when they ask the inevitable question of “where do babies come from?” It’s been around for a generation now. Some adults seem to think the illustrations are a bit much for young kids, but funnily enough, none of the kids seem to mind…they, after all, haven’t yet fully adopted their parents’ shame and fear. And that’s a GOOD thing. We need to stop passing off our shame and fear to our kids, no matter how noble our intentions are. Understanding child development and doing what is right for our children, as opposed to that which satisfies our own inner irrational voices, is what good parenting should be about.

          • Jackie

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          • Jackie

            these are in the so called ‘children’s’ book, want to try again?

  • Jeremy L

    I’m not seeing how or why this drag queen’s inappropriate performance can be logically or fairly linked to “Dan and Don, who’ve been together for 30 years, along with their adopted son Jason, and their pet dog Molly.” I’m getting the vibe that you think beneath Don and Dan’s relationship and happy family life, there’s “of course” something sinister. You seem to say all gays are pederasts and sadomasochists, but they realized they need to cover it up in order to win people over. Wrong. You also assume all drag queens are gay. Wrong. All in all, It appears you can’t conceive that a gay couple could conduct themselves and be as “appropriate” and well-adjusted as straight couples. Prejudice based on preconceived notions. You seem to cap it all of with: “That means if a gay couple is monogamish rather than monogamous, we’ve got to embrace it. Gay love is good!” No one is asking you to accept “monogamish.” I don’t accept “monogamish”. my closest gay friends do not either. Be careful how you define “gay love”.

    • Timothy Horton

      It’s just Brown’s weekly offering of gay bashing. You’ll get used to it. If one gay does something outlandish then they all must want to behave the same way.

      I’m still waiting for his column bashing Christians when one of his priests get caught molesting little boys. For some reason he’s always to busy to write it though.

    • Gary

      There can be nothing appropriate about homosexuality. It is always perversion.

      • clarkma5

        I have met enough gay people to know that’s not true. You have not. You are ignorant.

  • Timothy Horton

    It’s just Brown’s usual weekly gay-bashing rant. If one gay does something outrageous then that all must want to do it. You’ll get used to it.

    I’m still waiting for his column bashing all Christians because some of his priests are child molesters. He always seems to be too busy to write it though.

  • Dean Bruckner

    If my kids and wife were there I would have put a stop to this display of perversion, at once. Maybe even if they weren’t.

    • Timothy Horton

      What would you do? Brag that your Engineering PhD means you’re soooo much smarter than anyone else in all subjects? Isn’t that your usual M.O.?

    • clarkma5

      Great use bringing up your wife and kids when you don’t have the balls to do anything, creep. Why say anything at all? What a loser.

      • Dean Bruckner

        You project very well–failing to use your real name and calling me a coward, failing to restrict your sexuality to God’s intended purpose and calling me a creep, trolling on websites where you aren’t wanted and calling me a loser?

        I will not give an account to you of my courage. I’m a retired federal law enforcement officer. I assure you I have the training, the physical and mental fitness, and the means to apply good judgment and the appropriate level of force to the situation.

        But it’s not about me; it’s about God’s love for you, and your repeated rebellion and hate against him. He still loves you, enough to suffer and die for you, even though you insult and degrade both him and his children. Hear the words of Isaiah the prophet, who was sawed into two pieces alive by hate-filled people like you:

        “Come now, let us reason together, says the LORD: though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they are red like crimson, they shall become like wool.” – Isaiah 1:18

        Without God’s grace, I am as bad as anyone else. Please, repent of your sins and cry out to God for forgiveness!

        • Timothy Horton

          You’re also a bullspit artist with a severe case of Dunning-Kruger. Even by the low standards of the other religious conservatives here you’re one of the dumbest.

        • clarkma5

          You sound right on in so many ways, except where you mistakenly associate all homosexuals with evil. That is the mistake of your sect of religion, to deny the concept of human dignity to a group without consideration to the value of the individuals by misinterpreting a handful of clauses in the bible.

          You are WRONG when you say the bible justifies what you say. It does not. It teaches love and non-judgment. You are not following Christ’s teachings with your judgment.

          The most distressing thing is how many rules of the bible many in your church will seem to violate to express judgment and hatred, which is itself based on an ignorant misreading of the bible.

          The whole thing has a circular beauty to it where your people are the ones who are drawn to violence, you are the ones who are drawn to authority, you are drawn to the allure of professing yourselves as better than others and dismissing the human dignity of those who are not in your club, and all of that allure is a lie. It is a false idol. It is not God.

          You are worse than most people because you are so far from God’s grace. Love people! It is good for your soul! Instead of propping up righteous, ignorant judgment with misappropriated bits of a bible you claim to love, but destroy with your actions.

  • Timothy Horton

    Interesting to also note the Mods here, possibly Brown himself, have hidden or deleted all the comments from gay people pointing out the vicious and dishonest stereotyping Brown has done against all gays. Gotta love that Christian commitment to intellectual honesty. It’s easy to win an argument when you get to censor all rebuttal replies.

  • Gary

    Please don’t delete the comments of the sodomites. People need to see what they have to say so they can see how wrong they are.

    • Timothy Horton

      Seven comments deleted so far, three more hidden so they can’t be replied to.

      Gotta
      love that Christian commitment to intellectual honesty. It’s easy to win an
      argument when you get to censor all rebuttal replies.

    • Timothy Horton

      Let’s see the logic:

      If one gay dresses as a drag queen then all gays are drag queens.

      If one priest molests children then all priests molest children.

      Same logic so it must be true, right?

      • clarkma5

        If one Muslim blows up a bus and are all terrorists, then every Christian is like the Portland stabber or Timothy McVeigh!

        Wow, I get it now! I can think like an evangelical!!! VERY POORLY.

    • Timothy Horton

      Current censorship count: nine comments deleted so far, four more hidden so they can’t be replied to.

      • brothergc

        well maybe if you would stop calling people names and treating them in a derogatory manner that would not happen . DUH !

        • Timothy Horton

          Most of the ones deleted or blocked were comments from gay men, not me, explaining how they didn’t choose their sexual orientation and responding to the hateful bigoted comments by the “True Christians”. Censorship at its finest on display.

          • Dena

            Anyone can block and censor content by flagging the user as inappropriate. Regardless if it is a good or bad comment. It must be part of the programming for Disq. If something is flagged by a certain number of people it will be blocked. I had content blocked where all I did was quoted 3 scripture verses from the Bible.

    • Dena

      People can block and flag comments then those comments are blocked and removed regardless if they’re good or bad.

  • They never seem to mention how for decades the priests were the true predators and pedophiles. Priests that condemned the actions of homosexuals to their congregation weekly and after the preaching, preyed on the young boys and girls in their community. From 1950 – 2008, the church had paid out $2.6 Billion in settlement lawsuits. I think the church and those in the high esteemed positions should be questioned, I bet a lot of that money used to pay was actually from the families that were giving their weekly donations at collection time, actually helping to pay off the lawsuits coming in. And the Vatican knowing all along they had a pedophile problem on their hands and the only action taken was moving the Priest to a new congregation. And yet, all these devout Christians STILL cannot open their eyes and see living their lives by “the word of God” is just wrong! The Bible itself is made up of the books the Vatican chose to include in it, leaving out many other books that are well hidden within the Vatican and will never be released. It’s time to start questioning and talking about these issues and stop putting the focus on us homosexuals and see that we are all equal. Ha, that’s wishful thinking I know….

  • JM

    Because I don’t treat perverts equally and neither should you. no one should.

    • Timothy Horton

      But you’re the pervert here who is championing bigotry and intolerance over equality. No one should

      • JM

        The only reason you stand for perverts is because you are. if you think that perverts (homosexuals) should be tolerated. accepted and treated equally than something is wrong with you.

        • Timothy Horton

          The only reason you stand for bigotry and intolerance is because you religion teaches you to hate those different than you. If you think all non-hetero people shouldn’t should be tolerated, accepted and treated equally then something is wrong with you.

  • Gary

    Technical problems with this site again. I can’t reply to comments.

    Timothy Horton, God makes whatever rules He wants to make, and there is nothing you can do about it. God will hold YOU, and everyone else, accountable for breaking His rules. You can deny that is true all you want, but it won’t change a thing. You are in trouble with the God of the Bible, with no way out.

    • Timothy Horton

      Then that’s between me and Him and you have no reason to comment on it.

      • Gary

        Yes, it is between you and God. I don’t have to do anything about your predicament. But I wanted to comment on it.

        • Timothy Horton

          My God already told me to ignore your puny hateful little God. My God loves and treats everyone equally.

          • JM

            Your god Satan

          • Gary

            Ignore whatever you want. It won’t change anything or help you.

      • JM

        your god is Satan and that is why you are standing against God and supporting something he hates. that is what Satan would want you to do, I can’t believe that people would actually damn their own soul to hell over perverts.

        • Timothy Horton

          JM’s God is Satan. How sad.

          • JM

            Your comment makes no sense at all. how is my God satan?

          • Timothy Horton

            When did you start worshiping Satan as your God? Was it about the same time you consciously chose your sexual orientation?

          • JM

            Answer my question. moron

          • He did 🙂 He’s just dumbing it down to bring it to your level buddy.

          • JM

            No he didn’t.

          • clarkma5

            Oh my god evangelicals *facepalm*…

            First you say we’re morons. Then you play dumb instead of answering a question, being hypocritical at the same time you are evidently dodging your lack of rational argument against the fact that you’re all ignorant and raving loonies, who are the bad guys in this story as much as you don’t want to be, and we forgive you for being ignorant because everyone has ignorance to struggle against in their journey, and we forgive you for being crazy because our brains go crazy pretty easily it turns out if you’re not careful with them, and you guys have to recognize that your ideology is poison.

            Or justify it. But you can’t.

          • Timothy Horton

            Answer my questions. moron

          • Timothy Horton

            Answer my questions. moron

          • clarkma5

            Because Satan would love to trick people into mis-reading the bible to think it’s a weapon to use against other human beings who are as blessed with God’s grace as any other.

            I see satanism throughout the far-right evangelical christian faith. It corrupts people’s hearts, pulls them away from other human beings, and justifies the sins of judgment and oppression. The bible has many more sections that actively speak out against what you’re doing than the few that may be construed (and are often mis-construed) as being anti-gay.

          • Jim Walker

            I agree the part that natas trick people, all people, High IQ as well.
            natas is doubling up his destruction and he has been tricking people that LGBTQ is normal and everyone should embrace it too.

          • Timothy Horton

            Satan sure tricked you.

          • Jim Walker

            But he sure got a good grip at you, clarkma5 your good friend.

          • clarkma5

            We see past satan’s bluster in your church’s hateful, selfish, ignorant gospel.

          • clarkma5

            Trick? It’s in nature. Most mammals express homosexual behavior in the same ~5-15% ratio that we see in mankind, and we are mammals (I know this is often a hard point for evangelicals but…trust us, we are multicellular creatures who share practically all our genetic material with fungi and flowers, nevermind chimpanzees, where it’s a very, very minor difference…because we’re all the result of past and ongoing evolution!) sooooo it makes perfect sense that some people will be gay or transgender in some proportion, and they are, and that’s real.

            What’s the trick is your church’s teachings that this is all unnatural. You misread a couple passages of the bible, ripped from context, to justify endless sins against multiple areas of your own holy book, and you are ignorant of your cognitive dissonance, which drives you to more cretinous depths with each passing year it seems, and we’re here trying to say HEY! YOUR MORAL COMPASS IS BROKEN.

            But you won’t listen…deaf and blind, but far from dumb, as you will spout off endlessly.

          • Jim Walker

            So are you a evolutionist or creationist ? If you are the former, we are at opposite ends of the pole.
            For what you wrote, just replace “gay or transgender” with “cancer or diabetes”. It means these people need treatment from it and not let them live with it.
            You are, to us, won’t listen, deaf and blind as well. We agree to disagree.

          • Timothy Horton

            No, they don’t need “treatment” any more than left-handed people need treatment for being different. What they need is less ignorance based religious intolerance directed at them and more of the religious bigots following the Golden Rule.

        • Well JM, you have proved how ignorant some hetero’s truely are, unable to hold an intelligent conversation, even when you are proved wrong. Hey Tim, since JM knows God so well, guess I’ll see ya in Hell. I’ll bring the beer!

          • JM

            Where was I proved wrong?

          • Well I’m gay, not by choice, created by God just as you were, as the Bible says. So no, no proof that anything you stated proved I’m a sinner and not worthy to be alive. But yet you keep going with the hate. Chatting with someone like yourself has made me realize how dumb one has to be to even get a few words in and stay on your level.

          • JM

            Where does the Bible say God created you homosexual?

          • Timothy Horton

            Doesn’t Genesis say God creates all life? Or maybe your Satan bible has a different story?

          • He created Adam and Eve. All life after was created in Gods image, as he has my life written out on the palm of his hand….HA, even got a lil bit of a that song in there. God created my on 1974 to be exact, as a homosexual male, that has to debate with a person like yourself today. Crazy. I just hope you don’t have any kids, and if you do, I hope they don’t come out to you. What would your response be to your son if he was gay, if you don’t mind me asking?

          • JM

            God created people but people choose how they want to live. we have free will, find me that verse where it says God made some people homosexual. it was Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve. there are no homosexual relationships in the Bible. if God created and wanted some people to be homosexual not only would he have said so but it would have been written in the Bible as well. find me the verse where it says homosexual are born that way and God created them that way

          • I’m out. You are not worth my time anymore. I feel like I’m getting dumb with each word I read in these posts your making. I can say I am thankful I don’t have anyone like you in my life, that would be hell!

          • clarkma5

            Thank you Jashizi! Keep fighting against these hate-filled anti-christians who will use their God’s love for hate and their holy book of infinite wisdom to spread ignorance and fear!

            They are the anti-christians who will rot in hell (if there is one) for their callous judgment!

          • Jeremy L

            “there are no homosexual relationships in the Bible.”

            You’ve never read 1 Samuel? Most moving and heart wrenching gay love story in all literature–and with an epic war backdrop. It extends into the first chapter of 2 Samuel, so read that also. It’s beautiful. 😉

            Verse “where it says homosexual are born that way and God created them that way.”? Matthew 19:12. In addition to the literal meaning, eunuch also was a metaphor for men who were not interested in women 😉

          • Gary

            A eunuch is a man without balls. It is not another name for a homosexual.

            David and Jonathan were completely heterosexual. They both were married to women, and fathered children.

          • Jeremy L

            Eunuchs worked in harems because, since they had no balls, as you eloquently put it, they would not be aroused by the women. “Eunuch” was associated with no attraction to women. A man who had his genitals but was not attracted to women was referred to as a “eunuch thus born”. Also, I don’t recall Jonathan being married. David also seemed to genuinely love Jonathan as opposed to his wives, He only burned with lust for Bathsheba.

          • Gary

            Look it up. Both David and Jonathan were married and fathered children. David and Jonathan did love each other, but not in a sexual way. I love my brother, but no sex is involved.

          • Faith of Our Fathers

            The Poofters and Reprobate Homosexuals who Troll through Christian Sites dont understand what true love is their to Narcisstic. Dont answer them back block them as you would block any and all Sstanists. They have made a choice let them go to hell.

          • Timothy Horton

            There’s sure a cry for help from someone who desperately needs to come out of the closet and stop hating himself for who he is.

          • clarkma5

            There is a very large amount of self-hating gay men stuck in the closet due to the hatred and ignorance of the far-right evangelical culture. It’s pretty damned evil what these religions will do to God’s creatures…especially when you see what these creatures will do to themselves in the name of God because another mortal man told them so.

            These so-called christians all talk about listening to God but they’re really just listening to their ignorant, prejudiced neighbors. It’s the blind leading the blind.

          • clarkma5

            Thank you once again for your efforts in informing these cretins about their own religion.

          • Jim Walker

            Eunuchs are interested in women but they can’t, so they have to find another physical way which is detestable.
            So it is still a choice.

          • Jeremy L

            I’m not talking about a literal eunuch. I’m talking about a man who is naturally not interested in women. 2000 years ago a term for this was a “born eunuch.” The expression is used in Matt 19:12. Being attracted to men while being a man is not a choice. It is a biological anomaly

          • Jim Walker

            born eunuch. OK what describes a eunuch ? Some are born with sexual organs. Some are born with both sexual organs. A man thinking he is a woman or attracted to men cannot be called a eunuch or able to serve as a eunuch.
            LGBTQXYZ is nurtured and made worse by Endocrine disorder.
            Why should a man pump more female hormones into his body or a woman pump more male hormones into her body, when they can get treatment to be straight by doing the opposite ?
            Its a choice for them.

          • Timothy Horton

            I would say your scientific ignorance is in a class by itself but sadly there are other homophobic bigots here just as clueless.

          • Jim Walker

            Then leave and go to some other more intelligent forums like a Muslim one.
            I promise to accompany you there.

          • Timothy Horton

            If you left this forum for another you’d raise the average IQ here by 10 points at least.

          • Jim Walker

            We are not measured by our IQ here. I never think of myself as a smart man.
            Don’t think too highly of yourself Tim, IQ can’t save you. Your time will come if God is willing.

            1Cor 1:25
            For the foolishness of God is wiser than human wisdom, and the weakness of God is stronger than human strength.

          • clarkma5

            But what if the lack of intelligence in mortal men is causing them to grossly misinterpret the bible to justify hatred and judgment, which are also sins, and you are the ones going to hell for proudly and boldly mis-using the bible as a cover for your own moral, mortal failings?

          • Jim Walker

            The Bible is not a book for those of highly world intellect.
            You can have the highest IQ like Stephen Hawking but without faith in God, you can never understand it.

          • Timothy Horton

            The Bible is not a book for those of highly world intellect.

            Which explains why those who are the most ignorant in scientific disciplines are also the ones trying to use it as a science book.

          • Jim Walker

            The key words are “highly World intellect”.

          • Timothy Horton

            The real key words are “most ignorant in scientific disciplines.”

          • clarkma5

            LOL gotta love a so-called christian calling a Muslim forum “more intelligent”. You people are just so angry and so willing to throw stones at things, you don’t care how much glass you smash, do you?

          • Jim Walker

            Well, Tim ridicule Christians here saying we are all stupid, and he loves to open his house to immigrants and is against the travel ban, so obviously he look up to the muslims. So I highly recommend he debate with them.

          • Timothy Horton

            I never said all Christians are stupid. But most of the ones posting on Stream sure seem to be an uneducated, scientifically illiterate lot unable to see past their own religious indoctrination.

          • clarkma5

            We are amidst an army of brainwashed religious zombies.

          • Timothy Horton

            Not an army, more like a platoon who all rode the short yellow bus as kids. 🙂

          • clarkma5

            I really don’t want to insult short bus kids like that, they’re often incredibly sweet especially compared to these monsters, though when it comes to their cognitive abilities, it’s an apt comparison.

          • Jim Walker

            As usual the name calling again for those who don’t agree with you.
            Thick as bricks, bigots, homophobe, uneducated, stupid, fools, zombies, fundies. and the list goes on.

          • Timothy Horton

            They’re not ad homs when they’re true, although the zombie part was metaphorical.

          • clarkma5

            You claim false equivalence in your defense.

            Your denigration of homosexuals is based on never having met and known them, assuming they are the same as pedophiles or have some strange, nefarious agenda. Your paranoia is in your minds only and is not real.

            We are here speaking from a more connected point of view, and more connection means more knowledge means more compassion for diversity.

            I like how you think fundies is an insult. I always considered that a neutral term. And generally, I defend the accuracy of the other assertions, to at least some degree. I think I keep seeing you guys not having real bases for your ideas, just repetition, and it opposes so much of what is considered moral around the globe, and you seem to just be a lot of whacko extremists.

            I wish we could get through to you. I’m not the best at doing it because I get frustrated by people who are confidently ignorant, even if I understand the psychology behind it…I can do better on that front, to be fair.

            I keep saying, we must go back to respect for the dignity of the spirits of all humans, with humility in our hearts and love expressing outward, not needing to be fed inward. It’s really hard to prime the pump on that society against the vocal outrage of people like yourself.

            So yeah, I get to name calling. It feels like a lot of decency in society is on the line, but I get a bit too steamed for what’s on the line in this little corner of the internet, I’ll admit. Sorry.

            I keep going back to the allegory of the cave. About the people down in the cave who haven’t seen the sun and the light, and are watching the shadows on the wall, and believe it to be reality. I feel very deeply that I’ve seen the sun and the light of love that human experience can offer in my life, and I see in you guys the fear and paranoia I myself felt when I was farthest from it. I want to help you all, from yourselves and your religion, and in doing so help the world…to join us instead of sabotaging and harming us.

            My personal top 5 threats to mankind are becoming: Climate change, the republican party, extreme evangelicalism, islamic terrorism, nuclear proliferation, in that order.

          • Dean Bruckner

            So Clarke, you’ve found a way that seems right (i.e., good and fitting, not “right-wing”) to you. Am I understanding you correctly?

          • Jim Walker

            after months here, you still don’t agree to anything, might as well go spread your wisdom elsewhere.

          • clarkma5

            A clear example of how you guys are all thick as bricks.

          • clarkma5

            1. You are all stupid, and the fact that you keep failing to notice that demonstrates your inability to use all the mental faculties God gave you, like self-perception or insight.

            2. He is a good man for helping the poor and suffering in this world. These are innocent civilian victims of a dreadful environmental catastrophe and civil war, heavily vetted for immigration purposes, who need love and support. Perhaps our support and love will prove to the world our hearts are good and make fewer muslims, and others, hate America’s guts. You are why the world hates our guts. You demonstrate your miserable, selfish character by using that beautiful act as an example of why you don’t like him. It only reflects on you as very far from God’s love.

            I do not want to say you are awful people, because I fundamentally believe in the goodness of the human heart and soul, but you are doing awful things and are awfully far removed from decency. Your posts demonstrate it practically word-by-word sometimes, it’s amazing how much callousness, selfishness, ignorance, and cruelty you lot can cram into even short posts, and with such confidence!

          • Jim Walker

            You seemed to know him very well.

          • clarkma5

            I’ve bumped into him before in our mutual, independent quests to enlighten the unenlightenable.

          • Jeremy L

            Endocrine disorder is certainly creative. I’ll give you that. Also, “born eunuch” was a real expression. That Jesus referred to people born without genitals is kinda unlikely, since such a condition is so rare. “Eunuchs made that way by men” refers to can’t have sex with women. “Eunuchs born that way” refers to uninterested in women. You also seem to confuse being gay with being trans. At any rate, there is no treatment that can make someone straight…or gay for that matter

          • Jim Walker

            I indicated the word “”nurtured” as well so this applies to the non-Ts.

          • brothergc

            2000 years ago eunuchs were men who were castrated to protect , gard harems , or became celibate
            for the Lords service

          • Jeremy L

            You got “made eunuchs” and “eunuchs by choice”, but the “born that way” one is still there im afraid.

          • brothergc

            no a eunuch is a crastrated man a simple google search will prove me out

          • Jeremy L

            That’s what a eunuch is in the literal sense. But words can also hold metaphoric meaning

          • clarkma5

            The bible is metaphorical, dipshit. It’s written entirely in metaphor. Lord you guys are thick about your own religion! Gotta have people from the outside tell you how to read your own damned bible because you’re doing it wrong, yeesh.

          • clarkma5

            Thank you for bringing a rich, historical context of the bible to these people. They are missing out on the beauty of their own religion in favor of close-mindedness and hate.

          • Jeremy L

            They sure are missing out. It seems as if they don’t actually read the Bible!

          • clarkma5

            Nah, they do, but their nose is so close to the page they miss the beauty of it for the dots, and from their confusion they gravitate toward the stories that can justify violence and oppression when taken out of context of the rest of the bible, because their souls are tainted by an abusive, dogmatic, and manipulative religion that has been foisted upon them by parental indoctrination, generation after generation. And this religion of ignorance and fear self-perpetuates with that endless, fear-based drive to keep indoctrinating, keep walling off the world, keep walling off love, spit at anyone if it makes you feel bigger…

            They are so far from love and decency.

          • Jeremy L

            “They are so far from love and decency.” Accurate summary. It’s tragic that that has to be the case with them. I suspect they fear death/ hell and are driven by a desire to convince themselves of a false moral superiority and imagined key to immortality through making others scapegoats. That, and they just don’t like people they can’t personally identify with – you are correct about “spit at anyone if it makes you feel bigger”

          • clarkma5

            Think you’re right, fear of death, fear of life because it impacts the afterlife and therefore death, and mix in rigid assumptions about the world and you’re only ever going to be paranoid, afraid, reactive, and disconnected from the love of life and the world.

          • davidrev17

            I posted what follows above to Jeremy, just in case you’ve never been exposed to the cold-hard-fact surrounding this mind-numbing theological, NON-issue-issue.

            ▪ ▪ ▪

            Jeremy:

            It’s been widely confirmed for centuries now, that “Facts are stubborn things…” Now, since you seem to have acquired your NON-theological degree, from the no doubt ethereal “Timothy Horton” school of NON-theology (BTW: are you reading from the “Queen James Bible”?) – then please take this necessary word of correction, if you would.

            And I say this, because if you’re going to convey such personally whimsical notions on theological topics contained in the Word of God – which necessarily yield themselves to correct biblical interpretation, through the methods of sound hermeneutics and biblical exegesis in the first place; especially when commenting on an article written by a distinguished world-class Hebrew scholar, and theologian, who’s intimately acquainted with this particular issue, having written about this for more than a decade now – then you need to provide compelling proof, when venturing-off into such theological flights-of-fancy. (i.e., yours et al. bizarre “take” on the Greatest Love Story NEVER Told re: Jonathan & David.)

            Please read what’s offered here, because it would be enormously enlightening:

            “Can You Be Gay and Christian?: Responding With Love & Truth to Questions About Homosexuality,” (2014), Dr. Michael L. Brown; and you might want to begin with the facts exhaustively covered in chapter four, “The Bible is a Heterosexual Book.”

            “The Bible and Homosexual Practice: Texts and Hermeneutics,” (2002), Dr. Robert A. J. Gagnon, Associate Professor of New Testament, Pittsburgh Theological Seminary. (And this scholarly treatment of said subject, is widely-considered to be THE most authoritative “word” to date re: the Bible’s overall view of homosexuality – not to mention sexual perversion, or SINS of any sort period – on this tragically misrepresented topic.)

            “Homosexuality and the Bible: Two Views,” (2009); whose opposing scholarly views are presented by Dr.’s Dan O. Via, Professor Emeritus of New Testament at Duke University Divinity School, and Professor Robert Gagnon, mentioned just above.

            And finally: please take a long-hard-look at the facts detailed in the somewhat recent (April 29, 2014) article, “Liberal Scholars Agree: The Bible Forbids Homosexuality.” These male & female bible scholars, readily admit that if one is going to affirm same-sex practice (as they all do), then one won’t be able to find ANY warrant for such throughout the Judeo-Christian Bible; only through “personal experience,” they assert, can one arrive at such a notion foreign to the text of Holy Scripture.

            Additionally, the factually objective concessions freely-offered by all of these respected “pro-same-sex” bible and/or theological scholars in this article, should’ve necessarily doomed this Luciferian-inspired theological Titanic – masquerading as biblical Truth?? But that remains to be seen.

            However, if you’ll take an honest/objective look into this issue, perhaps you might be compelled to burn that “Queen James Bible,” from whose twisted and distorted content, you just might’ve been profoundly deceived? (i.e., Genesis 3:1-2)

          • davidrev17

            Jeremy:

            It’s been widely confirmed for centuries now, that “Facts are stubborn things…” Now, since you seem to have acquired your NON-theological degree, from the no doubt ethereal “Timothy Horton” school of NON-theology (BTW: are you reading from the “Queen James Bible”?) – then please take this necessary word of correction, if you would.

            And I say this, because if you’re going to convey such personally whimsical notions on theological topics contained in the Word of God – which necessarily yield themselves to correct biblical interpretation, through the methods of sound hermeneutics and biblical exegesis in the first place; especially when commenting on an article written by a distinguished world-class Hebrew scholar, and theologian, who’s intimately acquainted with this particular issue, having written about this for more than a decade now – then you need to provide compelling proof, when venturing-off into such theological flights-of-fancy. (i.e., your take on the Greatest Love Story NEVER Told re: Jonathan & David.)

            Please read what’s offered here, because it would be enormously enlightening:

            “Can You Be Gay and Christian?: Responding With Love & Truth to Questions About Homosexuality,” (2014), Dr. Michael L. Brown; and you might want to begin with the facts exhaustively covered in chapter four, “The Bible is a Heterosexual Book.”

            “The Bible and Homosexual Practice: Texts and Hermeneutics,” (2002), Dr. Robert A. J. Gagnon, Associate Professor of New Testament, Pittsburgh Theological Seminary. (And this scholarly treatment of said subject, is widely-considered to be THE most authoritative “word” to date re: the Bible’s overall view of homosexuality – not to mention sexual perversion, or SINS of any sort period – on this tragically misrepresented topic.)

            “Homosexuality and the Bible: Two Views,” (2009); whose opposing scholarly views are presented by Dr.’s Dan O. Via, Professor Emeritus of New Testament at Duke University Divinity School, and Professor Robert Gagnon, mentioned just above.

            And finally: please take a long-hard-look at the facts detailed in the somewhat recent (April 29, 2014) article, “Liberal Scholars Agree: The Bible Forbids Homosexuality.” These male & female bible scholars, readily admit that if one is going to affirm same-sex practice, one won’t be able to find ANY warrant for such throughout the Judeo-Christian Bible; only through “personal experience,” they assert, can one arrive at such a notion foreign to the text of Holy Scripture.

            Additionally, the factually objective concessions freely-offered by all of these respected “pro-same-sex” bible and/or theological scholars in this article, should’ve necessarily doomed this Luciferian-inspired theological Titanic – masquerading as biblical Truth?? That remains to be seen. However, if you’ll take an honest/objective look into this issue, perhaps you might be compelled to burn that “Queen James Bible,” from which you might’ve been profoundly deceived? (i.e., Genesis 3:1)

          • Jeremy L

            Thanks for the book recommendations, but I don’t read nor support propaganda, especially when the propaganda hurts my FRIENDS and thousands of innocent people. You make the false assumption that I was trying to reconcile the Bible with homosexuality. I wasn’t. I do not care what the Bible, the Odyssey, King Lear, or any other literature has to say because no matter how renowned the work is and no matter how “deeply” people believe it is the “Word of God”, a book is not the first place a rational human being goes when determining morality, how to treat/perceive other people, etc. You see, us people who actually KNOW gays and who have actually WITNESSED the suffering religion inflicts on them (ie Tim and I and several others) are what you call EMPATHETIC. We are also RATIONAL. We recognize real facts, not your religion’s “alternative facts”. We know that 1. gays did not choose to be attracted to the same sex 2. they cannot “Stop” being attracted to the same sex 3. they are no different from any other person, let alone dangerous or consumed with vice. Two men or two women can fall in love in the same way as any man and woman. That’s a fact. Running away from it won’t make it disappear.

            I could honestly write an essay on the glaring romantic subtext in Jonathan and David. Did you not read it? “My love for you is greater than the love of women”, “You have chosen the son of Jesse to your own shame and the shame of your mother”, and, perhaps the smokiest of smoking guns, when they kiss “until David exceeded”, the syntax of which is twisted to say “but David cried the most” in modern version to “fix” the erotic implication. At any rate, even if Bible writers do consistently condemn gay sex and any other homoeroticism or even just homoromanticism, that is no justification for marginalizing gays in society, sending them into hiding, treating them unfairly, inspiring them to commit suicide, inspiring their families to reject them, etc. Not anymore than the Quran is justification for bombing buildings.

            As for Brown, I have a deeply held belief that his doctorate is invalid, and therefore can’t recognize it. But in all seriousness, the man clearly is only self-interested. He’s never helped a single other person in his life. You think he just wants to “Cure” the poor gays? All he wants is to push them away because he perceives they threaten his masculinity, needs them as his scapegoat to assure himself he is heaven-bound and those “others” are not, and/or just plain doesn’t like gays for no reason other than their different. How can anyone take what he writes here seriously? He’s literally trying to scare people into buying “all gays are out to hurt your children” with ONE example of a drag queen performing inappropriately. EVen the accompanying picture is ridiculous and clearly designed to scare people. I do not CARE about his “credentials”, his motivations are clear. This is not about morality. This is not about God. This is about “I don’t like gays, we have to get rid of them”. Always was, always will be.

          • davidrev17

            You know it’s simply amazing how all you brilliant, or highly-enlightened faith-based metaphysical materialist’s (that would be NON-scientific too), self-aligned with the incoherent worldview of anthropocentric “scientism” – aka fundamentalist, card-carrying atheistic ideologues; can still remain utterly oblivious to the fact of your own irreligious intolerance on display, when zealously advancing that scientistic “propaganda” to which you’ve become so fideistically devoted?? (You know, like those intolerant/militant atheistic evangelicals, like Tim Horton et al.)

            And since y’all ultra-smart folk love to resort to the a priori “default” position of “science says,” when preaching your fundamentalist gospel of naturalism – I thought it would help if I posted a recent professional assessment of your scientististic worldview, by a former atheist/scientist (molecular biophysicist), turned world-class Christian theologian, Oxford University’s Dr. Alister E. McGrath, currently holding the Andreas Idreos Professorship in Science and Religion. (Dr. McGrath has also earned three Ph.D’s.)

            (BTW: Read this paragraph very carefully too; because you might just recognize y’alls intellectually and/or ideologically hypocritical “face-in-the-mirror.”)

            * * *

            “In one sense, the cultural authority of science rests on its principled refusal to comment on matters that lie beyond its domain of competency. Questions of value and meaning, for example, are non-empirical, and are widely regarded as lying beyond its scope. The cultural and intellectual authority of science depends upon its absolute neutrality in ethical, political, and religious debates. This point was made by Darwin’s great supporter Thomas H. Huxley (1825– 95), who declared that science “commits suicide when it adopts a creed.” Huxley made this dramatic statement toward the end of a remarkable speech of April 1880 at the Royal Institution, London, celebrating the “coming of age” of The Origin of Species. He was right. If science is hijacked by fundamentalists, whether religious or anti-religious, its intellectual integrity is subverted and its cultural authority compromised.”

            — Alister E. McGrath, “Dawkins’ God: From the Selfish Gene to the God Delusion” (2015), Second Edition, Chapter three, “Blind Faith? Evidence, Proof, and Rationality in Science and Religion.”

          • Jeremy L

            “Science commits suicide when it adopts a creed.” I agree wholeheartedly. But is all science equal? Should we treat the “research” of Answers in Genesis as being the same as research by geologists, anthropologists, and others who are using the scientific method rather than fabricating “evidence” that matches a pre-decided conclusion? Is NARTH on par with the APA? In science, not everyone is going to be right. Perhaps religious folk might say “science is on our side” and reference institutions or educated individuals presenting a non-mainstream science, but in the end, every human being is susceptible to being caught up in their biases, desired outcomes, emotions, and so on. And that goes for both sides. “The world is 6,000 years old” is demonstrably untrue, but people who can wave degrees in your face and who are otherwise rational people will insist it is because they fear their religion will be exposed as a fraud if it isn’t. And then their whole coping system for life’s unfairness goes out the window. “There’s a gay gene” is also untrue, but some gays and gay rights activists, and yes, smart people with degrees, may insist otherwise because they want a concrete “born that way”, when the factors that determine homosexual orientation remain mysterious. I am not one who says, “There is totally a gay gene, science says so, ha!” I know there isn’t substantive evidence for that. But there is also no substantive evidence that sexual orientation is chosen or alterable by conscious choice. There also is no evidence that a homosexual orientation can be converted to a heterosexual one and plenty of evidence that trying to do so can prove harmful. Hence why I will never take seriously nor endorse any publication, person, or institution that makes claims to the contrary because they assume their religious idea that you can “cure” gays “must” be true. At any rate, the books you referenced were merely about demonstrating the Bible as anti-gay in every regard. Even if that true, I maintain that it is irrelevant to how we should proceed with gays now being a visible and active part of our society. The evidnece shows that gay people can be well-adjusted and are not a menace. Therefore, I will not construct my own evidence that says different because I think they “must” be menaces. Science requires research. Why not be like Tim Horton and I and meet gays for yourself? Why not read secular as well as Christian Biblical criticism? You seem to want to start with, “The Bible is God’s Word” and “gays are bad,” meaning you take a conclusion and build evidence to fit that conclusion. That to me is bad science akin to what NARTH And AiG might do.

          • brothergc

            Matthew 19

            “Have you not read that he who created them from the beginning made them male and female

            and for this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife.Theirfor what God has joined togeather let no man tear apart ”
            God creathed adam and eve , not adam and steve

          • JM

            there will be no beer in hell. you will just be burning. and so will Tim. you guys won’t even get to talk to each other

          • Timothy Horton

            In heaven there is no beer.

            That’s why we drink it here (Right Here!)

            and when we’re gone from here,

            our friends will be drinking all our beer!

            😀 😀 😀

          • JM

            In heaven there is no beer. that’s true. and that is a good thing. beer messes up your insides anyway. nothing good about it. so you would actually choose to be burning in hell for all eternity over perverts than be in heaven with your family? (well that is if they aren’t losers like you. if they are than they’ll be in hell too)

          • Timothy Horton

            There’s plenty of beer in my God’s heaven. Pity your God Satan is such a prude. 🙂

          • JM

            Nothing in hell except fire and brimstone which is where you will dwell in if you don’t repent

          • Timothy Horton

            I don’t have to worry about your puny little God’s fictional hell. Too bad for you.

          • JM

            When you get to hell. you are going to beg for God to get you out but it will be too late because instead of you living life worshiping God (as you should’ve been doing in the first place) you instead wasted it on pleasing perverts. I will hate to be in your shoes on judgment day

          • Timothy Horton

            Why do you believe those lies your God Satan tells you?

          • JM

            Can you prove hell is fictional?

          • Timothy Horton

            Can you prove hell is not fictional?

          • JM

            It’s not fictional.

          • JM

            what’s fictional is that we all got here from some explosion and that we evolved from some apes. that’s what’s fictional.

          • clarkma5

            Ahhh and we get to this. The biblical literalism. This is what is wrong with the world…confident, intentional, willful ignorance.

            Guess what, you wanna know some truths? The universe is 13.7 billion years old and started with all matter as energy stored as a single, infinitely dense point. Our sun is a second-generation star, and our solar system coalesced from a spinning disc of matter leftover from the supernova of the star that came before us. That supernova had enough energy to create all the elements in our solar system above 26 protons on the periodic table (Iron), because the fusion of a normal star ceases above 26 protons since the energy of adding additional protons in the fusion reaction of a star above 26 is greater than the energy released.

            The big bang and the supernova of the star that preceded ours were prerequisites to the chemical regime that allows life as we know it to exist.

            The earth coalesced and cooled approximately 4.5 billion years ago, and was lifeless for a long time. Life came to earth from one of two ways: either an extraterrestrial diaspora (aka some living single-celled thing hitched a ride on a comet or meteor that hit the earth) or by spontaneous RNA creation (basically if you have a soup of chemical compounds sitting around with some heat and energy available, for long enough, they will eventually do the incredibly unlikely thing and spontaneously form into RNA, which is used to replicate genetic material, and is the underlying basis of life on earth). Then life on earth for a long, long time (billions more years) was purely single celled…little bacteria and protozoa and slimes and algaes.

            Algaes released oxygen, creating an oxygen rich environment that led to the first primitive ground-based grasses and early trees approximately a billion years ago. Plants were the first multi-celled organisms. Insects followed, and then reptiles and the earliest mammals. By the time the dinosaurs went extinct 65 million years ago, the forebears of the life on Earth we see today were basically in place.

            Man’s mammal forebears that survived the dinosaur extinction event were basically little shrew-like mammals, that over the course of millions of years branched in into multiple different species due to the forces of natural variability and selection that underpin darwinian evolution, leading eventually to the primate family that split into the homo- branch (that’s us!) and other modern primates, like chimpanzees.

            When mankind started creating societies and civilizations and religions thousands of years ago, they understood none of that, did not know the extent of the globe, did not know about microscopic life, or any of that. The bible was written at a time when mankind simply didn’t understand very much, and their bible was their best attempt at understanding.

            What’s great about the bible is that it’s written in metaphor and it is a beautiful piece of literature with a lot of subtle, nuanced things to say about morality and the human experience. Evangelicals who subscribe to biblical literalism flatten this amazing book into one stitled dimension that fails to inform or enlighten…based on observable reality, it seems to then act as a barrier to information and enlightenment.

            And that’s where we get to brass tacks. You guys are fighting tooth and nail against the higher resolution definition of reality. You liked when you book had the answers, the best answers, because knowing the book gave you authority. But your authority is gone now because we have better answers than the Bible when it comes to literal truth. At the same time, by ignoring its subtlety, context, and history, you miss out on the beauty and depth of what it still has to offer us in its metaphorical writings.

            Biblical literalism is a mistake, and doubling down on it is another mistake.

          • Gary

            He will not repent.

          • Jim Walker

            He is still redeemable but he is wasting precious time.

          • clarkma5

            You are all judgmental sinners. Gary, JM, Jim Walker, all of you are taking God’s role as judger of morality on yourselves and that is a SIN of hubris.

          • Jim Walker

            We are to judge with righteous judgement. I never give up on Tim and I also have him in my prayers. I can’t say I agree with Gary though.

          • Gary

            There is no beer in Hell either. LOL!

          • Timothy Horton

            I’m partial to good Czech pilsners myself. 🙂

        • Timothy Horton

          Why do you make Satan your God?

  • Gemmo Boon

    F*ck this sh*t. Bind their wrists & ankles & shoot ’em in the back of the head, execution style. We need zero more perversion and an end to this attack upon culture.

  • Neither you nor anyone else have to celebrate or embrace anything, Michael. No one is demanding that you do. Calm down.

    • Gary

      I disagree. It seems clear that homosexuals, and their advocates, want homosexuality endorsed by everyone.

  • Gary

    clarkma5, Who is the “God” you referred to in your first post below. Can you identify it/him/her?

  • Jennifer

    “You go boy-girl” hysterical! We have reached the abyss of insanity. Our Lady of Sorrows​, ora pro nobis.

  • Dean Bruckner

    Downvoted, flagged and blocked for lies and ad hominem insults.

    • Jeremy L

      Dean, you are not not gay because you are choosing not to be. Stop lying about the nature of sexuality. Also, sorry you consider any insinuation that you might gay to be an inuslt. “Gay” is not an insult.

    • Timothy Horton

      Dean Bruckner is a compulsive liar. On another thread he claimed to have a PhD in Electrical Engineering but his CV at Ohio State shows only an MS. Just above he claims to be a retired federal law enforcement officer.

      He seems to be one of those “any lie to make myself sound important” types.

      • Jeremy L

        Oh wow. How pathetic.

  • Rachel Hayes

    Sadly, we have hit new levels of craziness when otherwise intelligent adults cannot comprehend that there is such a thing as age appropriateness/inappropriateness when we’re discussing and/or outwardly displaying issues of sexuality. Regardless of whether you think it’s fine to be a drag queen or not this is insanity.

    For those who are interested, below is the reply from the director of Monroe County Public Library, IN to an inquiry on the age appropriateness of having “drag queens present stories and encourage us all to embrace our uniqueness” to children ages 2-6:

    “Dear Ms. Hayes,

    Thank you for contacting the Library with your concern. The Library offers hundreds of free programs each year presented in many styles and covering a wide range of topics. We strive to make available programs which represent and respond to the diversity and needs of our community.

    Drag Queen Storytime is led by a Children’s Librarian and is age appropriate for young children. This program is designed to celebrate individuality and having the confidence to be yourself, specifically in the ways children may dress and play. Children and their families will explore the concepts of diversity and inclusivity in a program about imagination, creativity, and acceptance, which are many of the Library’s core values.

    We recognize that not every program will appeal to the tastes and interests of all families. We understand if this specific program does not meet your expectations. The Library is offering 45 free programs for children this summer we seek to offer program options for everyone. We hope you will continue to enjoy the Library’s many options for learning and entertainment and join us for a program that piques your and your child’s interests.”

  • This would NEVER occur under a biblical government.

    Had the constitutional framers (like their 17th-century Colonial predecessors) established government and society upon Yahweh’s moral law, including Leviticus 18:22 and 20:13, there would be not homosexual agenda in America because no sodomite or lesbian would dare risk exposing themselves to petition government for their “rights.”

    That this is occurring is just one more of the horrendous consequences of the ever-intensifying whirlwind today’s America is reaping as a result of the wind sown by the 18th-century founding fathers:

    “[B]ecause they have transgressed my covenant, and trespassed against my law … they have sown the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind….” (Hosea 8:1, 7)

    How utterly tragic that Christians are predominantly leading the gang in promoting America’s national idol as the supreme law of the land, as if it’s somehow biblically compatible.

    For more, see online Chapter 3 “The Preamble: WE THE PEOPLE vs. YAHWEH” of “Bible Law vs, the United States Constitution: The Christian Perspective.” Click on my name, then our website. Go to our Online Books page, click on the top entry, and scroll down to Chapter 3.

    Then, find out how much you REALLY know about the Constitution as compared to the Bible. Take our 10-question Constitution Survey in the right-hand sidebar and receive a complimentary copy of a book that EXAMINES the Constitution by the Bible.

    • clarkma5

      Our country was explicitly framed to keep a wall between church and state, because our founders were escaping the tyranny of the crown that endorsed one church, harming the freedoms of all.

      Separation of church and state is by design, to stop you nutcases ruining a great, free country for the rest of us. God bless our founding fathers for being smart enough to spare us from His most deluded worshippers!

      • Thanks for helping make my point.

        Liberty was formally lost in America when the 18th-century Enlightenment founders made it a goal (almost a god) instead of a corollary of implementing Yahweh’s perfect law of liberty (Psalm 19:7-11, 119:44-45, James 2:12) as the supreme law of the land.

        What we have today in America is comparable to what the Prophet Jeremiah confronted in his day:

        “For from the least of them even unto the greatest of them … from the prophet even unto the priest every one dealeth falsely. They have healed also the hurt of the daughter of my people slightly, saying, Peace, peace; when there is no peace.” (Jeremiah 6:13-14)

        Today’s mantra is “Liberty, liberty!” when there is no liberty. Patrick Henry, who refused to attend the Constitutional Convention as one of Virginia’s delegates (declaring “I smelt a rat!”), understood the framers’ specious claim to liberty. Convinced the Constitution would fail to secure and protect liberty, Patrick Henry voiced his concerns to the Virginia Ratifying Convention in 1788:

        “…I say our privileges and rights are in danger. …the new form of Government … will … effectually … oppress and ruin the people…. In some parts of the plan before you, the great rights of freemen are endangered, in other parts, absolutely taken away…. There will be no checks, no real balances, in this Government: What can avail your specious imaginary balances, your rope-dancing, chain-rattling, ridiculous ideal checks and contrivances? …And yet who knows the dangers that this new system may produce: they are out of the sight of the common people: They cannot foresee latent consequences…. I
        see great jeopardy in this new Government.” (Patrick Henry, Ralph Ketcham, ed., “Speeches of Patrick Henry (June 5 and 7, 1788),” The Anti-Federalist Papers and the Constitutional Convention Debates (New York, NY: Penguin Books, 2003, 2nd ed.) pp. 200-08)

        In contrast to the federalists’ failed predictions, this and nearly everything the anti-federalists forecast about the Constitution (even with the addition of the Bill of Rights) has come true. The constitutional framers could not provide their fellow Americans with liberty (nor can their disciples today) for the simple reason that blind leaders cannot lead other blind men to safety, any more than slaves can confer freedom on fellow slaves:

        “[I]f the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch.” (Matthew 5:14)

        “While they promise them liberty, they themselves are the servants of corruption….” (2 Peter 2:19)

        The answer to this self-imposed delusion is provided by Jeremiah two verses later:

        “Thus saith Yahweh, Stand ye in the ways, and see, and ask for the old paths, where is the good way, and walk therein, and ye shall find rest for your souls….” (Jeremiah 6:16)

        • clarkma5

          So…America hasn’t had liberty since the start? I reject that. The history of this country has plenty of blemishes but also has plenty enough liberty to undue your entire thesis.

          I blame the majority of the crises in this country on the far-right wing and reactionaries, like yourself, who are rehashing arguments from the 18th, 19th, and 20th centuries instead of dealing with today. Stop it. You are the problem. Look at reality today and do what is best. The right answer is not to contradict the entire 250 year history of our country with your own crackpot notions and see how that runs. Thank you for your positive intentions. However, your selected line of reasoning is deluded and your conclusions are harmful, PLEASE stop pursuing their implementation if you want to help.

          • Is that what I wrote? No, I said “formally lost,” meaning it officially went to effect in 1787.

            And I take you disagree with Patrick Henry as well.

          • clarkma5

            I disagree with anyone who wants a Christo-fascist ripoff of the United States. There is fascism and oppression to benefit single classes EVERYWHERE in the world, most countries are based on it. The United States of America is unique in its conception behind the idea that it is not based on a race or a religion or a class, but instead an idea, that humans are created equal and granted indelible rights by their creator, and they have the inalienable rights to pursue happiness and prosperity as they see fit as long as they do not harm others.

            You want to harm others. You want to take over the government for your class and push away or “re-educate” or deport or whatever with everyone else, and you say “it would be so much better”.

            Yeah. FOR YOU. What about the rest of us? Nevermind atheists and gays and drag queens, what about sects and denominations of Christianity that are open to multiculturalism?

            This is what this is really about. You can’t handle multiculturalism and you are using your religion as a hammer to beat it out of society. You do it because it is difficult to argue against religious liberty, but by God do you bastards abuse it for selfish ends. I don’t want to say you’re bad people, everyone struggles with the pull of selfishness and abuse against the reward of peace and love, that is our mortal fallibility that we must rise above. You are failing to rise above.

            Your “church” in your eyes is built on selfishness and abuse of others at its core! You MUST prevail, it seems, in your conquering. NO. Not in this country. This once beautiful, now decaying nation, must return to its ideals of inclusion and veer away from the temptation of your structural oppression and fascism.

            You are not advocating for Christ’s love in the world. Stop it. Turn yourself around. Stop being the problem. Meditate and grow until you are in a place to be part of the solution. That is my message to you who would state our country must betray its founding principles to benefit your views and your views alone.

          • Of course you have. It comes rejecting Yahweh as sovereign, His law as supreme, and Christ as your Lord and Savior. If ever you want assistance in remedying this, I’ll be pleased to help.

          • clarkma5

            You are free to speak your views in this country (thank you first amendment, 1787), and I will stand by your side and fight for your right to continue to speak, but your God can just be yours and it really needs to not butt into our system of secular laws. I have my own connection to God that I value, you don’t know it, I don’t force mine on yours beyond saying that you need to learn where your rights end and others’ start if you are to be a decent citizen.

            There are probably a lot of countries out there that could be improved with your christo-fascist fever dreaming, but they are a lot worse off than the US is. Why don’t you go over somewhere like that and try to peddle your views? You might get more traction instead of trying to overturn one of the most successful systems of government there has been, outside of the a rocky last ~50 years in response to rapidly evolving media and society (and a lot of pressure from whackos like you claiming “IT’S ALL FAILING AND THE SKY IS FALLING OH LORD”)…and yet it has still hung together surprisingly well in the face of big challenges.

            I believe in the United States. I want it to succeed. I am a patriot. You are an extremist fascist traitor and a chicken little, selfish, yellow-bellied coward who can’t handle other people daring to EXIST. That’s my view.

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