A Possibly-Gay Muslim Terrorist Slaughters Gays … And Straight Christians Get Blamed

Yes, the Left is blaming Christians for a hate crime committed by a reportedly gay Muslim ISIS follower.

By Michael Brown Published on June 14, 2016

No sooner did the reports of the Orlando massacre begin to hit the airwaves than the accusations began flying: This is the work of Christian hate groups!

Yes, “Early on Sunday before the world learned the identity and religion of the man who murdered up to 50 people in an Orlando, Florida, gay bar, a ‘law enforcement expert’ for NBC went on the air on MSNBC and hinted that the shooter was probably a Christian and a member of a ‘white hate group.’”

Of course, that narrative was immediately abandoned as soon as the facts came out: The mass murderer was a Muslim who pledged allegiance to ISIS.

But that has not stopped others from saying that Christians are still complicit in this atrocity, alleging that our words have helped to create an atmosphere that demeans and dehumanizes gays, thereby leading to their murder.

CNN commentator Sally Kohn tweeted out, “You either support the dignity & equal treatment of all LGBT people or you support their systematic dehumanization.” And, “How about we just blame hateful anti-gay extremism, in any religion, in every form it takes?!” And, “Throughout history, extremist groups have used religion to preach and rationalize hate.”

So according to this logic, if you don’t embrace same-sex marriage, you support the “systematic dehumanization” of gays and are to blame for the bloodshed in Orlando.

ACLU lawyer Chase Strangio stated, “You know what is gross — your thoughts and prayers and Islamophobia after you created this anti-queer climate.”

On Facebook, gay activist Matt Comer wrote, “You helped cause this massacre. Your anti-LGBTQ theology assisted in helping others, including the Orlando shooter, in seeing each of our precious LGBTQ lives as dispensable and worthy of death. … How ’bout you stop your anti-queer theology that supports our death and despair, huh?”

In response someone posted, “Please try and understand we are all marked for death by the Libertarian Christofascists. The LGBTQ community is merely being targeted first because it represents the most visible form of resistance to their authority.”

There you have it: “Christofascists” have marked all gays for death — and this is sincerely believed.

Similar sentiments were expressed by commenters on the JoeMyGod.com website.

Also on this site, official statements from the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) and Lamda Legal were quoted. Although more measured, on some level they also blamed the Orlando slaughter in  part on those who oppose “gay rights.”

In Canada, a headline read, “After Orlando, time to recognize that anti-gay bigotry is not religious freedom: Neil Macdonald.” The contents of the article were chilling: “organized religion must reflect on helping shape a culture that will this week have led to 50 funerals in Florida. It’s not just the extremists who want to deprive gays of human rights.”

Over on ThinkProgress.org, the headline to Zack Ford’s article read, “Conservatives Try To Scapegoat Islam To Avoid Responsibility For Perpetuating Anti-LGBT Violence.” And a headline on the flagship gay website Advocate.com declared, “Orlando Is an Extension of the Marriage Battle, Bathroom Wars.”

It’s important, then, that levelheadedness and truth prevail in the midst of these accusations, especially since this kind of rhetoric can lead to its own violence, as already seen when a gay man, Floyd Conklin, attempted to carry out his own massacre at the conservative Christian FRC headquarters, inspired by the anti-Christian rhetoric of the SPLC.

Here are the Simple Facts

First, if there was not a single Christian on the earth today, radical Muslims would want to kill gays, and when ISIS throws gays off buildings in Syria, this is no more connected to Christianity than was the Orlando massacre.

Second, there are tens of millions conservative Christians in America, many of whom own guns, yet they are not trying to mow down gays in the name of Jesus. That’s because the teaching of Jesus urge love for neighbors, enemies and a recognition that we are all sinners and all made in the image of God. There is no logical connection between “I believe marriage is the union of one man and one woman,” and, “Let’s go kill gays.”

Atheist Hemant Mehta claims that there actually is a connection, arguing that when Bryan Fischer of the American Family Association (AFA) says, “We want homosexuals helped. Muslims want them dead,” that this is “the same bigoted mindset that may have led people like alleged shooter Omar Mateen to target gay individuals.”

But to believe Mehta’s claim stretches credulity. On a daily basis I see a steady stream of vicious hatred expressed by atheists and LGBT’s toward Christians — including death wishes and even death threats — simply for holding to biblical teaching.

Not only so, but worldwide, far more Christians are being butchered and tortured and kidnapped and forced into exile than are gay men and women — primarily at the hands of radical Muslims.

This does not for a moment minimize the losses suffered in Orlando, nor does it minimize the terror of gays being hung in Iran or brutally executed in Syria. It simply reminds us that both Christians and homosexuals are victims of radical Islam.

Third, it is true that there are fanatical “Christian” voices celebrating the Orlando massacre, like the Westboro Baptist Church, with its tiny, hate-filled membership, or a Phoenix pastor, whose anti-Jewish tirades are also well-known. But they barely even represent a fringe minority, so minuscule are they in numbers, and even they do not call for Christians to take up arms against gays.

More importantly, they are universally repudiated by Christian leaders.

Fourth, there are an increasing number of reports that Mateen himself was gay — from an ex-wife, from old friends, from gay men who met him through a gay dating app, through patrons at the Orlando night club who say they saw him there numerous times — adding yet another bizarre aspect to the massacre.

Was this the act of, not just a Muslim, but of a gay Muslim?

What if headlines read, “Gay man kills 49 gays and wounds 53 others”? Or, “Gay man involved in the worst mass murder in American history”?

And how are Christians to be implicated in that scenario?

The bottom line is that there is more than enough hatred in the world today, much of it leading to outright violence. We should therefore place the blame where it belongs rather than falsely accuse those who lovingly differ with homosexual practice.

For a Christian message to LGBT Americans, see here.

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  • eddiestardust

    The LBGT Activist Cult will always find a way to “convict” Catholics & Christians, sadly.

    • Gregory Peterson

      You convict yourselves by your words and actions. Fortunately, not all Catholics and Christians are like Brown.

      • Reason0verhate

        True. The fake ones approve of homosexuality.

        Fortunately, all their churches are losing members, so they won’t exist much longer.

      • Polish Bear

        Homosexuals, who have no morals at all, are in no position to judge decent people.
        Do you realize how silly you sound, someone with a gutter lifestyle, telling respectable God-fearing people that we are evil, just because we don’t celebrate your diseased, degenerate lifestyle? You don’t even live in the real world, you live in a world where drug addiction and pedophilia are perfectly normal. You need to get outside your sexual cocoon and meet some good people, you’d see that we are not bad people. You just hate us because you think everyone like you is the norm.

        • Gregory Peterson

          Did you know that there is a community of Gay men who call themselves “Bears?”

          It’s called ‘defamation’ when you compare law abiding minority people with addicts, rapists and call them “degenerates” and such.

          I suggest anger management. You sound potentially dangerous. You do know what the Bible says about those who revile others.

          • Ken M

            Another homosexual fascist, wanting to take away freedom of speech.

            Try and take it, pansy.

          • Gregory Peterson

            Right… threaten a half blind old man with a neurological disease. You must make your mother real proud.

            Free speech doesn’t mean freedom from criticism. Though I can understand why you would think that white privilege means that.

          • Ashley Bowen

            It must make your mother REAL proud that you are arguing with an Autistic WOMAN, you shameful piece of crap! Take that! TWO can play at this card. You black people have entitlement issues. Don’t you think that the “white bashing” and Christian bashing has gone far enough? I’m sorry that my ancestors degraded your ancestors, I REALLY do! But you REALLY need to stop the rhetoric bashing. Every white person and Christian in America is not at fault that you feel this way. GET OVER IT!

          • Dean Bruckner

            Defamation. Sounds like a legal strategy to silence people who disagree with you, even if they tell the 100% truth. It’s unfortunately a specialty of Big Gay.

            My cousin died of AIDS because he lived the gay lifestyle in San Francisco in the 1980s. We loved him, and he returned to God and his family before the end. Before he returned home, his grandparents visited him and stayed in his apartment located above a homos3xual bathhouse. You know, bathhouses, the places where 100 men have s3x with each other up to 10 times per night each, high on meth and in virtual complete anonymity.

            That lifestyle, approved then and now by the Democratic Party, created the conditions in which AIDS spread rapidly. They did not create AIDS, but patient zero Gaetan Dugas and hundreds of thousands like him created and maintained the conditions for its spread. That lifestyle killed him. But Jesus rescued him, and can rescue anyone else trapped in sin–you, me, everyone who will humble himself or herself and say, “God, be merciful to me, a sinner!”

            It doesn’t matter that we speak the truth, and in love. People who have chosen to reject it will still do everything they can to suppress it, because it reminds their consciences of what they have denied. They will call it defamation, even though that is a lie. And they will lawyer up and try to bankrupt those who do not bow to their world view, and punish and hurt them. By God’s grace, God’s people will still forgive, as they should.

          • Rusty Writer

            Wow, you are toxic with that much hate and filled to your eyes with lies.

  • Don Hogue

    Once again, Dr. Brown is the voice of reason, hitting the nail on the head.

    • Zebman

      Absolutely, a prophetic voice, no less!

  • GaryB

    God Almighty, the God of the Bible, is who lgbtq and their allies should be angry at. If God had not condemned homosexuality, Christians would not oppose homosexuality. The sodomites (Biblical term for homosexuals) can blame Christians for believing the Bible, but the ultimate opponent of homosexuals is God.

    • Tom

      Female homosexuals are not Sodomites, that is a derogatory term and “Biblically” can only be applied to the residents of Sodom. Use of the term helps perpetuate the language of hate in the perception of that persecuted minority. The term should not be used by New Testament Christians trying to win the souls of their “gay” loved ones and friends. Hopefully you wouldn’t address your Uncle Billy as if he was a dirty ole fornicator.

      • Zebman

        A few years ago someone tried to ban the word ‘abomination’…

      • GaryB

        I don’t have any relatives who are lgvtq, as far as I know. Thank God I don’t. If I did, I would refer to them as sodomites, and by several other insulting terms. I believe that lgbq

      • Gregory Peterson

        Not to mention that the real Sodomites were people who were inhospitable to the strangers among them, paid no attention to those in need, the poor, the widows, the orphans, the ill.

      • m-nj

        agree “sodomite” is archaic and not fully applicable to LGBTQ… but i think it is better to use “homosexual” rather than “gay”, as the former is the term used in the NT, and is inclusive of both male and female same-sex attraction/activity. just saying

    • davidrev17

      Well, you’re somewhat correct in your no doubt unbiblically errant theological opinions; at least when it comes to the concept of SIN, and its clearly destructive effects amongst mankind – as viewed by “only true God, of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.”

      You see, He’s absolutely Holy my friend, or “totally other” – meaning simultaneously BOTH transcendent & immanent; so much so that He’s absolutely EXclusive when it comes to SIN in general – in the final analysis – since He’s the only source/origin of perfect goodness (i.e., right & wrong, or good & evil) in, and of itself – as opposed to your typically PC approach to REdefining SIN, in ANY form whatsoever, sexual, or otherwise.

      (BTW: Have you considered the issue of your own sins, committed throughout your lifetime, against the Creator God of this universe – and every contingently-existing member of the species H#$o sapiens flourishing within it?)

      You may want to consider what His absolutely “Holy neighborhood” will look like, in “the new heaven’s and new earth”; as He will have certifiably sanitized, eradicated, thus removed the very “presence” of SIN itself – for eternity!

      So, by all means, let’s blame the “Holy One of Israel,” for having established the definition of right & wrong, good & evil – not to mention the ultimate disposition of such effects for eternity – through His gracious “gift of eternal life”; i.e., meaning, by the substitutionary sacrifice & physical/bodily resurrection (“on the third day”) of His “one and only Son,” the Lord Yeshua – Israel’s Messiah & savior of humanity, for “whosoever will.”

      The operative phrase is [everyone] “Repent, for the Kingdom of heaven is at hand.” (Matthew 4:17; Acts 13:44-47; 17:30-31.)

      * * *

      “Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and the sea was no more. 2 And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Behold, the dwelling place of God is with man. He will dwell with them, and they will be his people, and God himself will be with them as their God. He will wipe away every tear from their eyes, and death shall be no more, neither shall there be mourning, nor crying, nor pain anymore, for the former things have passed away.”

      5 And he who was seated on the throne said, “Behold, I am making all things new.” Also he said, “Write this down, for these words are trustworthy and true.” 6 And he said to me, “It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end. To the thirsty I will give from the spring of the water of life without payment. 7 The one who conquers will have this heritage, and I will be his God and he will be my son. 8 But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”

  • Elijah Rose

    In his book Benjamin Netanyahu said that when he was a professor of terrorism studies in the 70’s the hard part of convincing westerners of his theories was persuading reporters that such a thing as terrorism existed.
    Three wars, two occupations, and tens of thousands of Americans dead and we still have to deal with these cowards.

  • Ashley Bowen

    You got a point in that, Dr. Brown, but I believe that if headlines read, “Gay man kills 49 gays and wounds 53 others” Or, “Gay man involved in the worst mass murder in American history”, LGBT activists would still be able to point the finger at Christians for alleging that we “manipulated” or “brainwashed” the murderer by turning him straight so he can commit these heinous acts. Therefore, a moot point, sadly. The Enemy is still going to scapegoat us Christians for the crimes committed by his followers. We can’t control that. Just keep praying that the bigotry against Christians is going to end.

    • Gregory Peterson

      Yes, we would point the finger at “conservative” Christians as being partially culpable.

      You create and encourage dangerous minority stress, then use the consequences of your hateful behavior to justify creating more minority stress. I mean…how white of you.

      • Dean Bruckner

        What a crock!

      • Ashley Bowen

        Why are you pointing the finger at me? What did I do to you, you racist, sexist, autism-phobic, Christophobic bigot, other than state the obvious? Leave me alone, and get a life, you piece of crap! I’m not the one to blame here. Go point your prejudgmental finger at someone else! Jesus loves you. Point your finger at Him since it’s Him you hate.

        • Gregory Peterson

          Jesus hasn’t threatened me by quoting Lev. 20. I have no problem with Jesus.

          • Ashley Bowen

            I NEVER threw Leviticus 20 at you. You took me COMPLETELY out of context. Obviously, you need to take up matters with the actual person or people that hurt you; DON’T take your anger and hatred out on me! Seek Jesus Christ and get on with your life. PLEASE!

          • Gregory Peterson

            If I took it out of context…it’s because you didn’t know the context and it’s later history in the killing men who love men.

          • Rusty Writer

            Ashley is a hater, and it’s obvious to everyone – except Ashley.

    • O’Pinyon

      If Christians were perfectly loving and only did what we see our Father doing, we would be murdered, as our Lord was killed on a criminal’s cross.
      Following Jesus guarantees that we will be falsely accused.

      • Ashley Bowen

        MATTHEW 7:1-2 states: Judge not or you too shall be judged. For in the same measure you use to judge others it will be measured back to you. Why are you pointing the finger at me? I’m not the one who killed 50 people in the name of “Allah”. I’m not these other so-called “Christians“. I would LOVE to love you like a good Christian should. I insist, I’m not them. I want friends. But since I’m being made out to be the Devil because of my faith and opposition to somebody’s alternate lifestyle, go ahead; play that bigotry card. See if I care. Jesus Christ loves you. Don’t judge me for others actions just because you want someone to punish. THAT will NEVER be me!

        • O’Pinyon

          My point is that the bigotry against Christians is not going to end. Jesus said to expect it.

          • Ashley Bowen

            You’re right, O’Pinyon. I apologize. The guy before you mistakenly called me out as a racist bigot, which is something that I am not. I didn’t mean to take my anger out on you, and I didn’t mean to misread your comment. Again, I’m sorry.

          • O’Pinyon

            Thank you for taking another look. God bless you.

          • Rusty Writer

            Don’t blame Jesus for your anti-gay bigotry. The Gospels show Jesus never spoke a word against homosexuals. You are misusing his name to promote prejudice. The bigots are calling themselves Christians, but the truth is most Christians support an end to discrimination against people who are LGBT. You put yourself on the side of the shooter.

          • Rusty Writer

            Brown reminds me of pre-war Hitler when he has his ‘red shirts’ go after gays the way Hitler had his brown shirts go after Jews.

          • Rusty Writer

            This article is not about Christians being persecuted because of following Jesus. You seem to be stuck in the same repeating pattern.

        • Gregory Peterson

          Dr. Brown is the one who is the inflammatory professional anti-minority propagandist.

          • Rusty Writer

            Brown is to American Christianity what pre-war Hitler was to German Christianity. He has his ‘red shirts’ go after gays the way Hitler had his brown shirts go after Jews.

          • Gregory Peterson

            He’s not in the Hitler league, prewar or not.

            He’s more in the clergy in the white Citizens Councils league, I think. A hate propagandist who creates dangerous and unjust oppression and minority stress, but isn’t directly organizing violence.

      • Rusty Writer

        Thanks for reminding us that many of those who were killed in Pulse Nightclub were both Christians and LGBT folks. PS there is no record Jesus ever spoke a word against homosexuals during his life. Go and do likewise.

        • O’Pinyon

          Hi Rusty,
          The one who speaks against the homosexually challenged, and all Christians, is our enemy, Satan. Jesus did not come to condemn sinners, but to save us all.
          Our enemy tells us that we can never be more than our sinful tendencies.
          But to all who receive Jesus, who believe on His name, He gives the right to become children of God – born not of humanity, but born of God. Our identity comes alive in Him.
          God bless you, Rusty.

          • Rusty Writer

            There are over 4 million Christians alive today who are LGBT, and Jesus never changed any of them into heterosexual. We know this from 2 excellent sources: 1). The leaders of the national and international ex-gay ministries admitted nobody changed from homosexual to heterosexual (after 40 years of ‘change’ claims). That is why every major, decades-old ex-gay ministry from the US to Australia has faded into history. And 2), every medical association has explained nobody chooses his sexual orientation, nor can they choose to change it.

          • O’Pinyon

            It’s just that Someone else becomes more important to us than whatever our primary identities used to be, and whatever the Accuser whispers to us that we must always be.

            Read these words from the Apostle Paul, who bore on his body the scars he received for following Messiah:

            “Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality,
            nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
            And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.”
            You will notice that the above list includes just about everyone. Jesus came to save us all, which is possible only when He is our Lord; His will is more important to us than any lesser thing.

          • Rusty Writer

            Baloney Alert: Paul never said “homosexuality”. That word did not appear in any translation for about 2,000 years, either, until the past half-century when the Culture War got underway. Sexual orientation, including homosexuality, was not something you could have discussed with Paul. He would have no clue what you were going on about. The bible is not a source for any modern medical science issues.

          • O’Pinyon

            You’re right; orientation is not the issue at all. The issue is what we “practice” – what we do. Taking up our cross means that what we do, and refrain from doing, can be costly, indeed. And yet, it is when we lose our lives that we find them.

          • brothergc

            BS Your just so blind you cant read plain text ? if you cant see from a biologlical prespective that man parts were made for woman parts you had to have help to see different or is it You want so badly to protect your sin you will say anything to protect that sin

          • Rusty Writer

            You can’t even spell “biological” and if you had even a basic understanding of it, you would be aware homosexuality is a perfectly normal variation of sexuality found throughout nature. If you believe sexual orientation is a choice, just try to change yours.

          • brothergc

            nothing wrong with mine , but then again I am not putting my male member into someones place where #2 comes out that is sick

          • brothergc

            and you cant even tell where the proper plce a males member goes

  • Cowboy

    I am Christian and will defend a gay man or woman’s right to be who they are. I don’t think it is natural or what God planned. I believe it is a sin and pray for their salvation and that the Holy Spirit will deliver them from their sin. But if comes down to it and someone threatens them – they will have to come over me!

    • Gregory Peterson

      What a horrible person. How dare you disparage our loving relationships as just about “sin” like you’re some 1950’s racist blathering on about the “unnatural sin of miscegenation.”

      We don’t need you to “defend” us. We need to shelter vulnerable young LBBT people from your poisonous self righteousness.

      • Dean Bruckner

        If you make up your own morality, how can you condemn anyone for anything? The word “horrible ” has no more meaning than the color chartreuse. If there is no fixed external standard of morality, there is no morality at all, and might makes right and you can do whatever you want.

        Judging from you words here and what I have seen of the Progressives, I predict that if you ever gain sufficient power, you will put Christian people in concentration camps and put them to death when they are no more use to you. Please prove me wrong!

        • Gregory Peterson

          As an artist, the color chartreuse has a lot of meaning, and can symbolize freshness, new leaves and spring. My favorite chartreuse is Mindaro, so delicious that I wish I could put it in a glass and drink it. (Of course there are chartreuse liquors, but I don’t drink.)

          Colors actually do have fixed standards so as to be reproducible and predictable. So…that’s a poor metaphor.

          “Judging from you words here and what I have seen of the Progressives, I predict that if you ever gain sufficient power, you will put Christian people in concentration camps and put them to death when they are no more use to you.”

          Well…that no doubt explains why the very worst of Jim Crow, race riots and lynch law were in the conservative Evangelical dominated Bible Belt, I’m sure.

          For instance, this took place the year my father was born:

          The Tulsa race riot was a large-scale, racially motivated conflict on May 31 and June 1, 1921, in which a group of whites attacked the black community of Tulsa, Oklahoma. The Greenwood District, the wealthiest black community in the United States, was burned to the ground. Over the course of 16 hours, more than 800 people were admitted to local white hospitals with injuries, the two black hospitals were burned down, and police arrested and detained more than 6,000 black Greenwood residents at three local facilities. An estimated 10,000 blacks were left homeless, and 35 city blocks composed of 1,256 residences were destroyed by fire, resulting in over $26 million in damages. The official count of the dead by the Oklahoma Department of Vital Statistics was 39, but other estimates of black fatalities vary from 55 to about 300. (from the Wikipedia.)

          So…just whom is prone to excessive violence again?

          • EnthralledObserver

            The one standard of behaviour of progressives… the ONLY thing you people uphold… is TOLERANCE (and with Christianity you lot are failing to be tolerant, so it’s really just theory). If we are tolerant of everything then there will be no boundaries to behaviour and degradation, deviancy and violence will be endemic.

          • Dean Bruckner

            That’s easy: Progressives, Democrats, cultural Marxists are the ones prone to excessive violence. They are all 90% the same.

            You may have missed most of the 20th century, but socialists/statists/communists/Marxists killed a hundred million people and enslaved a billion. Progressives enabled them throughout the century. That is where the Progressive movement in the U.S. is headed, and I believe you are in danger of being swept away into the center of it, if you are not already there.

            Gregory, the Democratic Party is the major league of the culture of death in the U.S., from abortion, to euthanasia, to inner-city violence, to enabling ISIS worldwide. They just opened a “Death with Dignity” clinic in California last week, and that will eventually grow to dwarf even abortion. They are the champions of abortion, with a death toll of 55 million beautiful pre-born baby Americans and counting. That has earned America a judgment beyond comprehension.

            The people who burned down Tulsa had the same amoral world view of the Democrat slavers of the 1860s, and the KKK of the following century, and the DNC that supports the unspeakable evils of Planned Parenthood and evicted God from the Democratic Party platform.

            Lest we forget, the KKK was spawned 100% by the Democratic Party. After the civil war, Republicans had sponsored the elections of hundreds of state senators and representatives! After a few years of the KKK, there were two. TWO. Because of Democrats and no one else. The modern day Democratic Party members are their heirs. Democrats are the party of slavery, segregation, the KKK, jim crow, eugenics, anti-semitism, ab0rtion, euthanasia and unrestrained s3x for any and every reason.

            The lynchings in the south–a despicable and demonic evil–happened in spite of Christians, not because of them. They happened because of the Democratic world view, not in spite of it. I too grew up in the south for the majority of my childhood. My Christian family and Christian friends were not perfect (still aren’t, including me) but we knew right from wrong (still do). No doubt people who called themselves Christian participated in some of it, but where that was so, it was in violation of their faith. Some day they will be judged by the God who created them and me. And that should be a terrifying thought.

            There was one open homosexual in my high school in South Carolina. I was one of his friends, and was not ashamed to be so. Does that make me virtuous? No, but every right action leaves the door open to another one.

            I wish you the best, but please, don’t turn away the new life that Jesus offers to you. Maybe it is just too far away from you now, and there is too much hurt from people who should have shown love and respect to you. They were wrong, as wrong as they could be. But do not reject the truth because of people who said they had it but refused to follow it themselves, and hurt you in the process.

          • Ashley Bowen

            There goes a blind man that says he can see. Direct your hate and anger somewhere else. No one here hates you, but for a gay black man you have an awful lot of hate for those you don’t know. Enough with the hate, resolve the problems that other people have caused you, and go seek Christ Jesus.

          • Gregory Peterson

            Presumptuous, aren’t we? I’m a 3rd generation Norwegian-American who was raised in rural Nebraska. My extended family has ministers and missionaries. The church was practically our second home. We had keys to it.

            I also went to a college in a small city on the edge of the Bible Belt, where I learned what “conservative” Christianity was all about. I was shocked. I shouldn’t have been.

            If there is one thing that I know very well…it’s ‘conservative” white Christians who live for the politics of privilege and resentment..and Christians who happen to be labeled as white and don’t care if you’re Gay or Black or Muslim or…. They do care a great deal about justice.

            It’s the ‘Norwegian’ part that informs my opinions. My ancestors came to America because they were second class citizens in their own country, which was a poor and exploited colony at that time. They did not come from Whiteland to become White Americans. They came to be Norwegian Americans. Whiteness was conferred upon them on arrival in order to keep the existing Protestant white caste system going.

            When my great grandparents arrived, Black people were not citizens…only white people could be citizens. My grandfather was born in the last year of the Civil Ware when slavery was still legal and Constitutional.

            So if there is one thing that I may have inherited from my Norwegian great grandparents, it’s an attitude that no American should be treated as a second class citizen in their own country.

      • jstan442

        ‘loving’ to you but not to Almighty God-He calls it an abomination–it is rejected way of life in both the old and new testament–you may think you can change the word of God but it is the same yesterday,today and tomorrow—if you are a believer you will be judged by the light you have-if you know it is wrong and still do the sin you do it to your own detriment-God will not be mocked–if you are not a believer than do what you want-but you will still be judged and found wanting in the eyes of God–but He loves you and wants to save you–but you have to admit you are a sinner (same as i)–He waits for you-He died for you-read the Bible

        • Gregory Peterson

          Don’t you dare compare your tawdry little sins with my love.

          “God will not be mocked.” I’m not mocking God…I’m mocking people who have recycled that old proslavery Evangelical conceit for the 21st Century.

          • MinorityStress

            Gays don’t love, you lust.

            Huge difference.

          • Gregory Peterson

            Oh good grief… You don’t think that I didn’t hear similar about Black and interracial relationships back when I was a young man? Really, if you’re going to crudely defame someone, at least don’t recycle of racist nonsense against a different minority group.

          • Ashley Bowen

            You’re the one insinuating racism and homophobia here, not us. The only racist here is you, Mr Jefferson, excuse me Peterson.

          • Ashley Bowen

            You are mocking God. Nobody here is “pro slavery”. You thought of that on your own. Your love is not the same as God’s love. Your love evil, hateful and it spits at the face of God; whereas God’s love is almost completely unconditional. The only ways to get to Him is to accept the fact that His Son Jesus is our Lord and Savior, to repent (change) from ALL of your sins past and present; even future, and to do so in the sight of God. John chapter 14 verse 6 even Jesus says “I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man comes to the Father, but through me.”.

          • jstan442

            you know you mock God and what is written in the Bible–you have been lied to-God does not condone your lifestyle–He said so in both the old and new testament–you just will not give up your lust/sin for Him–your arms are too short to box with God–you lost the fight but the battle for you soul goes on–He will forgive if you repent–as Jesus said to the prostitute–‘go and sin no more’

          • Gregory Peterson

            No, I don’t “mock God.” I mock you.

            You also don’t know my “lifestyle.” You prefer your perverse negative stereotypes over the lives of flesh and blood people, who can be your neighbor, your colleague, a relative, the police officer who protects you, the sanitation worker who keeps you from drowning in your own waste.

            It is called “defamation” when you group law abiding minority people with prostitutes.

          • jstan442

            i gave you an example of what Jesus told the prostitute to do–which was not to continue in her sin of prostitution–hit a nerve did i?? where does God EVER say it is okay to be homosexual or even marry as such??? NOWHERE in the Bible but in the minds of liberals who wish to make what they want as normal and accepting of God–sorry you are wrong and do not live in the Truth of the Word of God–you can mock me all you want–i give you the truth take it or leave it–if you do not consider it than you will die in your sins–period

          • Gregory Peterson

            Never mind that your’re recycling an old proslavery Evangelical tactic that they used against the radical Abolitionists. How do you even sleep at night, abusing scripture as you do to privilege yourself at the expense of everyone else?

  • Puddleglumm

    Well said. It is sad that the LGBT community does not recognize who there REAL enemy is—-ISLAM. The SAME “religion/ideology” that wants to wipe Jews and Christians along with homosexuals from the face of the earth. Instead they would rather blame Christians who despite disagreement with their lifestyle, stand with them against this kind of violence.

    • Casper Hobbema

      …being confronted with a God that would restrict their behaviour seems to worse to them than being confronted with a god that wants them killed instantly.

      Ill logic, human reasoning still. Given the choice, Adam and Eve found being remotely restricted (only the fruit of one tree) an acceptable reason to risk losing eternal life. So they lost. And the biblical people of Israel had thesame tendency: rather choose false gods and certain death than to follow the One that set them free and kept them save.

      “Sorry” (and asking for forgiveness) still seems to be the hardest word…

      • Rusty Writer

        Adam and Eve, a parable mistaken as history.

    • Rusty Writer

      No anti-LGBT commenters here have spoken against the violence. they seem to enjoy it

    • Rusty Writer

      ISIS is 20,000 radicals mainly killing other Muslims and ‘inspiring’ a handful of nuts to create headline-grabbing violence and terror. Islam is 1.6 billion people, whose ranks include nearly every soldier currently fighting ISIS.

  • Kathy Verbiest Baldock

    Clueless.

    • Reason0verhate

      Slither back in your canyon, grannie.

      If you don’t like what Christians say, don’t read Christian blogs.

      • Kathy Verbiest Baldock

        I am not a grandmother yet, but will LOVE the day that I get to be! Thank you. And, I am a Christian and even write a Christian blog. Further, I am not afraid to use my real name or picture. Coward.

        • jstan442

          liberal Christian or Bible believing one?? lib Christians are as bad if not worse than atheist libs

          • Gregory Peterson

            Which no doubt explains why the “conservative” Christians were the ones who were defending slavery, Jim Crow, white privilege, sexism, and are now busy Gay bashing…

          • Ashley Bowen

            THAT IS NOT TRUE AT ALL! Republican Conservative Christians fought diligently to OBLITERATE Jim Crow and slavery. Get your history right! Frederick Douglass was a Republican, Abraham LINCOLN was a Republican Christian. Every Conservative in Congress in the 1960s voted FOR the Civil Rights Act because Democrats, like Lyndon Baines Johnson, were racists, AND SEXISTS, and they STILL ARE TODAY. So, do you think for one minute that the Democrats are privy to the Gay Agenda? Think again. They are just as bigoted about the LGBT as they are about racial minorities. They are sympathizing with you ALL to get votes and you are BLIND to it! Keep to Jesus!

          • Beau Jackson

            They were Republican & Christian, yes; but, no, they were not Conservative. The Republicans were the liberal party back then.

          • Ashley Bowen

            You got a point. Thank you.

        • eliasasm

          If you’re a Christian, Satan is a Christian. Your feminist-sodomist beliefs are the antithesis of true faith.

          • Gregory Peterson

            You must have stayed up all night composing that pithy little phrase.

    • Jeanette Victoria ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

      Pathetic obsessive loon

    • eliasasm

      Yeah, well that happens when you never read the Bible and regard Political Correctness as your religion.

    • plainsrabbit

      Baldick, if you’re going to try to cover up your gray, spend a few extra bucks, get something that doesn’t look like you melted crayons on your head.

    • Asemodevs

      The f-g hag again.

  • Gregory Peterson

    The religious rights’ constant defamation of Gay people, and their very racist-like disparagement of minority relationships as just being about “sinful sexual activity,” has created a poisonous American climate of animus and backlash. Yet you claim that was no factor at all because the American born and American raised terrorist, educated in American schools, who had watched and used American media, with American friends, and an American wife…wasn’t a Christian?

    The religious right doesn’t deserve the full blame. They didn’t pull the trigger, and he probably got a strong dose of homophobia at home (as do many other American children), but to pretend to be entirely inculpable is rather pathetic.

    You manufacture minority stress for a living. You are partially culpable for the climate of animus and backlash against LGBT people. Period.

    • Dean Bruckner

      If everyone makes up their own morality, there is no such thing as blame. There is no “ought,” only “is.”

    • Franko Z

      You went at great lengths to avoid mentioning one word despite the facts of the Orlando massacre and the incontrovertible demand of logic (of which you’ll probably feign ignorance): ISLAM
      I know it doesn’t fit your narrative, resulting in your severely jarring cognitive dissonance. Pathetic yet pitiful.

    • Steve W

      Your constant defamation of Christian people and your very bigoted, anti-religious disparagement of what is now a minority people group in this country (i.e. Christians) is in reality, all about your false accusations against Christians where you “manufacture minority stress for a living”, and makes you partially culpable for the climate of animus and backlash against Christian people. Period.

      • eliasasm

        A lot of the gay trolls pose as “Christian” only when they are posting on Christian blogs. Sometimes if you scroll through their obscenity-laden comment history, you’ll see that they identify as atheists when on gay blogs. They probably have never set foot inside a church, they just like to take the position of “Well, I’m a Christian, so my opinion is just as good as yours.”

      • Gregory Peterson

        I don’t defame Christian people, I criticize Christian bigots who talk and act like the Christian bigots of my youth about actual minority people.

        Christians aren’t a minority group…unless you have a very narrow definition of “Christian” that somehow excludes a lot of Christians.

        Why are you writing like someone in the (white) Citizens’ Council newsletter? I mean, I’ve read them, so I know.

        They had a regular editorial cartoon with a leering thug character in a mask and prison stripe shirt with NAACP bullying quivering white women and children, “milquetoast” judges etc.

        And the main founder of the organization, Robert B. Patterson, whined about being called a bigot, a racist and hate-monger. There were also some fairly prominent Evangelical pastors and leaders in the organization, as well.

        When your movement demands the “religious liberty” privilege to discriminate against (thus segregating them) law abiding people going about their lawful business in the town square…

        …When your movement demands that legal economic injustice be perpetuated against a minority group seeking legal recognition of their marriages…

        You just might be a bigot who is creating unjust and dangerous minority stress in the name of God. Hey, it’s been done before.

        • Ashley Bowen

          I will say it again: One Christian doing damage to his enemy or loved one is not ALL the Christians doing the same damage to the same said person! IDIOT!

        • Asemodevs

          Granny Peterson has no life at all. She lives on the web.

        • Kenneth Noble

          Again I ask you here, is Islam pro gays??? You need to look in the mirror and see that you are Christianophobic (The fear and dislike of Christians). Christians may disagree with you on homosexuality (Just as Muslims anyway), but not one Christian is calling for your death; no one’s bombing people in the name of Christianity. Christians don’t behead people. You’re more likely to remain alive if you went about cursing and insulting Jesus than if you did same about Mohammed. And you know this! But SOMEHOW, you think Christianity is your biggest threat? Of course Muslims are not as outspoken in the West just yet because they’re a minority trying to gain acceptance. Just you wait and see after your Muslim friends have gained root in the west. Only then would you get to realize how comparably better your extinct Christian enemies actually were.

          • Gregory Peterson

            From Right Wing Watch:

            “Yesterday, Colorado-based pastor Kevin Swanson addressed the massacre at a gay nightclub in Orlando by arguing that homosexuality and Islam are both inherently violent because God gives gay people and Muslims up to their dishonorable ways and other sins like murder.”

            Christianity isn’t my biggest threat, it’s the homophobic, hate mongering, minority stress creating extremist Christians, Jews, Muslims and others who are a threat and who are creating a dangerous climate of animus that is encouraging lethal self hate and Gay and Transgender bashing.

            Not to mention that when I was young, Christian Evangelical terrorists had turned Birmingham, Alabama into ” Bombingham.” And that was just the tip of the Evangelical terrorist iceberg, many decades in the making, which including destroying whole Black neighborhoods, such as in Tulsa, Oklahoma about the time my father was born.

            So in this country, Christian terrorists have been a very real and deadly threat and there is no reason to think it’s they can’t be again. How far is it, after all, to go from hate propaganda such as Pastor Swanson’s, to violent hate crimes?

          • Kenneth Noble

            I think you have painstakingly taken inventory of acts of terrorism perpetuated by Christians. But just notice you’re having to go back to when you were born and when your father was born. We’re not in those eras. Also notice you’re making so much effort to describe Christian terrorism, that have according to you, been a very real and deadly threat… which could happen AGAIN, but make no mention of the very real and deadly threat of Islamic terrorism we face TODAY.

            Its no coincidence we don’t hear of terrorism perpetuated in the name of Christianity today. Except of course, 1 in 1,000 cases. But you seem to be concerned about the past events rather than the reality of what you face today. AMAZING!!! I’m just trying to help you see you have this thing against Christianity, which smacks of nothing else but Christianophobia. Its so obvious, mate. You couldn’t even get yourself to answer my questions. I’ll give you another shot. Forget Extremist Muslims. Just answer: Does Islam condemn homosexuality or not? And are you likely to be killed for insulting Jesus or for insulting Muhammed? You know the answers, but I bet you won’t dare to admit it. SO I put a challenge to you to answer them- if you dare.

          • Gregory Peterson

            We’re not in that era , yes…but that era is within living memory and is well documented with original sources and studies.

            The point being that Evangelicals can’t point fingers at American Muslims when it comes to terrorism, especially as hate crimes against both Muslims (and people thought to be Muslims) and Gay people are rising.

            Look at all of the Christian hate propaganda groups out there, from the AFC, the FRC, the Heritage Foundation, Charisma, the Southern Baptist Convention’s ERLC, Lifesite News, Christian Post,,,people like Franklin Graham, Michael Brown, Swanson, various representatives and Senators such as Ted Cruz and on and on and on….all acting like they’re channeling the white Citizens’ Councils of my youth, and excoriating the Supreme Court in language taken almost verbatim from the so called ‘Southern Manifesto.’
            ,
            Even without the violence of the Christian Jim Crow terrorists, conservative monotheists, Christian, Jew and Muslim, are creating the great danger of minority stress for their own children and for others.

            Islam doesn’t have to condemn “homosexuality,” an obsolete Victorian era word now mostly used by homophobes, any more than Christianity does.

            Islam does not have a central authority figure like the Catholic Church, by the way, so you have to add qualifiers like “generally, does Islam….” There are a few Gay Imams…

          • Kenneth Noble

            Quite hilariously ridiculous. Your response that is! I don’t even know where to begin. I’ll just point to a few. This your list of “hate groups”. You must have a strange and twisted definition of ‘Hate’. Charisma, Christian post, etc are legitimate conservative outlets. The likes of Franklin Graham, Michael Brown, etc are Conservative personalities. Being a liberal, you simply disagree with their views. That doesn’t establish them as designate hate groups, unlike ISIS which every civilized human being whether conservatives or liberals agree are a hate and dangerous group.

            And your response to Islam and homosexuality!!! Geez, just before I thought it was terrible and vague enough, you then went “There are a few Gay Imams”. So what? Does that answer my question? If that’s what you hinge on to justify your fondness with Islam and hostility towards Christianity, the fact that there are much more gay bishops should turn your argument on its head. “Era is within living memory”. You’d rather be upset about a past era with a so-called living memory enough to actively hate Christians (yes, you hate Christians, and that makes you a qualified hater) than be concerned about current menace of Muslim terrorism. You want to designate Muslims as the victims. Bizarre!!! You hate Christianity because it teaches against homosexuality. But you love Islam even though it also teaches against homosexuality. Again, Bizarre twist. “Islam does not have a central authority figure like the Catholic Church”. Again, another strange reasoning. First, the Pope is the head of the Catholic church, not the head of Christianity. Secondly, The Catholic Church having a central authority- Well, that’s because we are in the West. What do you expect? Go to Saudi Arabia, and you’ll definitely find one. Go to Iraq, and you’ll find the Ayatollah! The Catholic Church has no influence in the Middle East, does it?

            By the way, you still can’t dare answer the question of the possible outcome for for insulting Jesus versus the possible outcome for insulting Muhammed. Can You? See??? You just can’t. Your deep seated hate for Christians is too stark to admit this truth. In doesn’t matter how much you hate Christians or Jesus, or how much you falsely accuse them, they still ray for you, and God still loves you. I don’t see you answering my question, because you can’t get yourself to admit it, so we’l call it a day here. Reply only if you have an answer. Cheers

          • Gregory Peterson

            I used the phrase “hate propaganda.” I don’t worry about violent hate crimes from those groups and people…though hate propaganda creates dangerous minority stress among vulnerable people.

            Opposing equality under the law for law abiding minority groups, perverting the concept of “religious liberty” into a special privilege to discriminate against law abiding minority adults, comparing law abiding minority adults with pedophiles (a much used “I’m just saying” Brown tactic) and so on, excoriating the Supreme Court with language straight out of the ‘Southern Manifesto’ when it rules in favor of equality under the law for all Americans…qualifies as “hate propaganda” to me.

            I wasn’t comparing Islam with all of Christianity, I was comparing it with the Roman Catholic church because you seemed to think that there is some head of Islam that can tell Muslims what to believe or not to believe.

            I don’t hate Christianity because of what it allegedly teaches about “homosexuality.” That’s because Christianity doesn’t have to teach what you think it teaches. I was raised a Christian, and we don’t believe in what “conservative” Christians are saying and doing to LGBT people.

            When people talk like racists did, only about a different minority group, I’m…surprise!…going to be reminded of what racists talked like.

            I don’t “love” Islam. It’s not my religion, and I don’t approve of patriarchal minded organizations in general. I also don’t approve of Muslim bashing. Muslims have been literally my neighbors, and they are my valued and esteemed colleagues.

            I once lived next door to the local Islamic Center, a center which was later firebombed. Fortunately it was by an inept terrorist who probably couldn’t get a Sterno can burning, let alone a Molotov Cocktail.

            As you inadvertently point out, there is no international leader that can tell Muslims worldwide what to believe. If you don’t like what an Imam teaches, there are other mosques and other imams.

            Just as there are other churches and other pastors. I don’t have to go to a church with a homophobic pastor…and if I see one preaching against my LGBT brothers and sisters, I will publicly criticize him or, less likely, her. Just what are you going to do to an old man with a neurological disease?

            Jesus is highly venerated by believing Muslims as a great prophet, though not as the last and greatest Prophet, which to them is Muhammad. So, you don’t insult Jesus in Muslim areas that have blasphemy laws, either. You may not spark riots like you might by insulting the Prophet, but you will spark interest from the law’s enforcers…and you don’t want that unless you like severe chastisements.

            And no, I don’t approve of blasphemy laws at all.

            I don’t think that I’ve ever insulted either Jesus or Muhammad. Since Muslims would not like seeing Muhammad representation, and even though I’m an artist, I wouldn’t do that, either. Why would I want too? Neither of them have told me to repent for “advocating the unnatural sin of miscegenation,” for starters.

            The Muslims I know respect the Hadith where Muhammad condemns extremism, even for religion. Would that more people respect those wise words.

    • EnthralledObserver

      Um… Afghani parents raised this man, in a home (albeit in America) where Islam was dominant, and his father, at least, supported fundamentalist Islamic organisations that vocally dictated that gays were to be reviled and killed. Don’t let the facts get in the way of great propaganda, mate.

      • Gregory Peterson

        Yet…in the larger society in which he lived, it is “conservative” Christians who have created and encouraged a climate of animus towards LGBT people…even to the point. very recently, of trying to legally prohibit some minority people from using restrooms unless they disguise themselves in such a way as to be invisible to hysterical bigots.

        • EnthralledObserver

          You don’t think rationally or logically. Islam TEACHES that GAYS are to be KILLED! This man was raised by a man who adheres to and supports this DOCTRINE. ISLAM is the source of the gay hate in this circumstance. It is irrelevant what other groups may or may not think… THIS MAN himself TOLD us where he found the SOURCE of his hatred… he announced it was ISLAM by aligning himself with them in the 911 call and yelling Allahu Akbar before killing gays! THINK… PLEASE!

          • Gregory Peterson

            Just yesterday, I was told by a conservative Evangelical that the Bible teaches that “homosexuals” are to be killed because Leviticus 20. I was just reading a list of 25 terrorist attacks on Gay bars…and while this Orlando terrorist attack was the most horrific, alas, not by a great margin, it’s safe to say that it’s not Muslims who have been the main culprits in terror attacks on Gay establishments, though there obviously has a been an inexcusable couple. Patriarchal monotheism is murder on minorities.

            It’s also not Muslims who are constantly trying to interrupt LGBT events…including armed, hate sign carrying Christians who tried to insert themselves into a Pride parade in the Southwest a couple of years ago.

            By the way, if someone is thinking of doing that elsewhere…don’t, you’ll really regret it.

            So while Islam badly needs to reform…so does conservative Christianity. It’s not Muslims, after all, that have caused LGBT people to flee Uganda for their lives.

          • EnthralledObserver

            So do you admit that Islam teaches to kill gays?

          • Dean Bruckner

            Christianity needs to reform why? Based on what moral code? From what I can tell, your moral code is just something that seems right to you. Without an external moral code, there is no right, no wrong and certainly no need to reform anything.

            But with a fixed, external moral code, external to humanity and established by the Creator, well, that’s very different. And that is what the LGBT activists and the rest of the Progressives are desperately trying to crush, erase, defame, and cast off forever. It won’t work. It won’t work because the Progressive/LGBT world view is at war with reality, at war with human nature, and at war with the conscience.

            God loves you! Jesus died to forgive your sins and mine (neither or which are better or worse than the other, in God’s eyes). Please take his offer and find new life!

          • Boris

            “But with a fixed, external moral code, external to humanity and established by the Creator, well, that’s very different.” Except biblical morality is not fixed. It’s based on the whims of a deity whose followers claim cannot be understood and that is not constrained in any manner as to the commands he gives. So when God supposedly killed every firstborn Egyptian child and animal all on one night Christians call that murderous immoral act “good.” So divine command morality is subjective to the extreme. Humanist morality is OBJECTIVELY based on the value of human life itself. Whatever enhances and protects life is termed “good” and that which destroys or harms like is “bad” or “evil.” This system of morality is much more rational and objective than biblical morality which is no morality at all. Besides if it were not for the rise of secular humanism, skepticism, atheism, deism, free inquiry in the West, Christians would still be behaving much like their Muslim counterparts still do today, burning witches and books, hunting heretics and so forth.

          • Ashley Bowen

            Yeah, the Muslims have. Christians live by the Ten Commandments (“You shall not kill”) as well as Christ’s teaching of faith, hope, and love. Emphasis on “LOVE”. WE want to HELP the LGBT from being put to eternal death; not make them submit to death like the Muslims do. All of Christianity believes that God gave humanity free will for a good reason. It is YOUR CHOICE and YOUR CHOICE alone whether or not you want to have a relationship with Jesus. Muslims don’t believe in “free will”. They believe what is set forth by “Allah” is his will, so if a Homosexual doesn’t agree with their doctrine, and/or goes against it, punishment and death by beheading or whatever else ensues. Their is no choice. There is only “Convert or die” with Islam. Islam’s “God” is NOT love, but Evil. Jesus Christ IS LOVE. DEAL WITH IT!

          • Gregory Peterson

            For starters: There were the GOP presidential candidates who showed up for he National Religious Liberties Conference hosted by a ‘execute Gays’ pastor, Kevin Swanson. Just yesterday someone quoted Lev. 20 at me.

            So while this mindbogglingly horrible terrorist attack was done by someone from a different monotheistic religion…Muslims haven’t been the only anti-Gay terrorists, far from it.

          • EnthralledObserver

            Maybe, maybe not – but you are trying to pin THIS attack on Christians specifically, and trying to imply ALL attacks are inspired by the “Christian culture of gay hate”. Fact is you are grasping at straws to make this into something that satisfies and justifies your hate of Christians and Christianity when clearly THIS attack has nothing to do with it. Why don’t you aim your sentiments at the ‘religion’ that is to blame THIS time? Why are you trying to deflect it onto one that is innocent THIS time? Point your finger at Islam – trust me – it’s far more of threat to gays right now and you’d best be paying attention, because while you are whining and sooking about cakes and marriage Islam is preparing the rocks and rope!

        • Dean Bruckner

          Absolute nonsense. Gay on gay violence is by many reports the most vicious there is.

    • The Dove

      Wow, that’s so dramatic – “manufacture minority stress for living.”

      Here’s a cold bath of reality:
      Gays obsess over Christians – Christians do not obsess over gays. We have jobs, spouses, kids, churches, hobbies, volunteer work, etc etc. You got nothing but your animus toward Christians. Your ‘stress” is 100 percent self-generated. You convince yourselves you are hated because you know that being hated gives you a higher status than being ignored. You can’t handle the idea that we go about our lives and wouldn’t give a thought to sexual deviates, except your force your way into the news with your wedding cake nonsense and other faux “crises.”

      • Gregory Peterson

        Right…and Gay people don’t have jobs, spouses, kids, churches, hobbies, volunteer work, etc etc? I know Gay people with high paying job who have taken in foster children to give them a heads up in life, who have hobbies, who do volunteer work, and…who are seminarians, pastors and elders.

        You can’t handle the idea that Gay people have lives at all…thus you condone, if not actively demand, discrimination against them to diminish their lives and burden them with minority stress.

        • MinorityStress

          We know why gays adopt boys.

          • Gregory Peterson

            Oh…you’re my little cyber bully.

          • Ashley Bowen

            WOW, you’ve just made my point on how gays are BULLIES! The only cyber bully here is YOU!

          • Asemodevs

            And you’re pedophiles.

          • Rusty Writer

            Not according to medical science and reality. That is a fantasy from the minds of bigots who don’t even want to understand the difference between two loving adults spending their lives together as spouses vs child rapists. Two totally different things.

          • Rusty Writer

            For the same reason heterosexual parents do – to love them, raise them and someday become grandparents of their children.

        • Asemodevs

          Gays cannot have kids.
          A child is the result of the union and man and woman.
          Two men cannot have a child. It’s impossible.
          You can’t have kids. You can’t have families. So really you cannot possibly be equal to normal people.

          • Rusty Writer

            Science is very close to allowing same-sex couples to create their own biological children (Google it). In the meantime, same-sex couples have children the exact same ways heterosexual couples do when they can’t produce biologically (adoption, surrogacy and in vitro fertilization). Many same-sex couples have children and do a good job raising them, per every study conducted.

          • Asemodevs

            You don’t think, you just spew propaganda.

            How sad, someone just reduce itself to a bundle of left-wing cliches.

          • Rusty Writer

            You have given that same ‘answer’ dozens of times, but it really does not work this time at all. Apparently, you forgot to read before posting your usual knee-jerk response. Fact: same-sex couples have children the exact same ways heterosexual couples do when they can’t produce biologically (adoption, surrogacy and in vitro fertilization). Many same-sex couples have children and do a good job raising them, per every study conducted. Also, science is going to give same-sex couples the ability to both be biological parents very soon (Google search it for yourself, Mr. Parrot Spammer)

      • Rusty Writer

        Polls show the first thing that comes to the public’s mind (9 out of 10 surveyed) when hearing the term “evangelical Christian” is “those people who hate gays.” 8 of 10 evangelicals said the same thing in milder wording. LGBT people are mostly Christians of some strain, so you seem out of touch with reality.

    • Ashley Bowen

      Jesus loves you, MORON! Live with it!

  • O’Pinyon

    Good article, Dr. Brown.
    A few comments:
    1) “…have helped to create an atmosphere that demeans and dehumanizes gays…” The force that leads people into finding their identity in homosexual practice is the most demeaning and dehumanizing influence of all.

    2) “There you have it: “Christofascists” have marked all gays for death — and this is sincerely believed.”
    Actually, the quote given states that everyone, not just gays, is being marked for death by “the Libertarian Christofascists.”

    3) Until this article, I had never heard that Floyd Corkins identified as homosexual. Thank you for reporting.

    • The Dove

      The reason you never never heard Corkins was gay is that the mainstream media tend to “underreport” certain things. Did you know the 2 DC snipers, in 2002, were homosexual lovers? And Muslims? Walter Cronkite’s famous line “And that’s the way it is” no longer applies to the MSM – they “edit” reality on a regular basis.

      • Rusty Writer

        Both those stories were reported in the MSM (google it). Paranoia is in YOUR head.

  • JON CHO

    Engineer toolbox has many tools to help analyze social problems as well. Let’s look at ‘Root cause analysis’ for Orlando terrorist killing:
    1. Why Omar executed so many people? Because of his hatred.
    2. Why his hatred? Because of his distorted mind.
    3. Why he got distorted mind? Because of being brain washed thru internet doctrine.
    4. Why being brain washed? Because of his religious indulgence background.
    5. Why his indulgence in Islam? Because his religion belief makes him not assimulate in US.
    6. Why not assimulate in US? Because ‘all non-Muslims’ are viewed and distrusted as infidel.
    7. Then, why they came here incompatible with mainstream founding principle of Christianity??
    There are many factors to contribute to. Clearly the root cause is not Christianity in US because we are infidel thru their eyes. Bible never teaches to kill people, although the Lord hates seven (7) bad behaviors (Proverb 6:16), but God loves all people and wants to bring people in peace relation with the Lord but only by calling upon His name.

    • Rusty Writer

      The bible often taught genocide, slavery and many other moral atrocities, like any book of mythology. See www (dot) evilbible (dot) com to face the thousands of examples.

  • Franko Z

    The Orlando massacre flies in the face in extreme leftist ideology and creates a loathsome monstrosity of cognitive dissonance among its sheeple. Their false ideology demands that the enemy of their enemy must be their friend no matter how much violence is inflicted by their supposed friend.

    • Rusty Writer

      Yeah, visiting a mental health professional can’t hurt.

    • Gregory Peterson

      People with a moral compass, such as liberals, can understand the various, complex, interacting motivations for terrorist acts without condoning them.

      Conservative Christians are culpable in creating…in fact, mainly responsible for… the American climate of animus towards LGBT people and probably for the homphobic backlash that is encouraging a rise in hate crimes.

    • Rusty Writer

      Turning this tragedy into a way to attack fellow Americans with lies shows you are more like the shooter than you would care to admit.

  • Franko Z

    As currently the two most dominant virulent stains of fascism, both leftist extremism and Islamic fanaticism desire to subjugate those who do not utterly submit. Since their desires are mutually irreconcilable as the Orlando massacre has incontrovertibly demonstrated, another party must be singled out as the root of trouble; a (Rene Girard’s) scapegoat, that which can be most conveniently considered as the common enemy of both false ideologies, must be furnished and slaughtered at the altar of coexistence of the two forms of fanaticism. Like Christ, the Christ followers are the most fitting scapegoat.

    • Rusty Writer

      Doctors can often help folks suffering from paranoia.

  • Jeanette Victoria ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

    The leftist who spout this nonsense believe it with all their being just like a deranged paranoid schizophrenic believe their delusion. Remember these are the same people who truly believe that men can “translation” into women. That people are born gay except when they are not. A unborn child with human NA is not a human. That global warming is melting the ice cap even when it isn’t. The left believe such nonsense I have no clue how they even function in the real world. And they believe it so completely that to simply disagree with them is the same as killing them.

    • Rusty Writer

      “Facts have a well-known liberal bias.” – Steven Colbert

  • Kristen P

    The church is not preaching the cross enough. Jesus died for all. His act established forever the value of every human being in God’s sight.

    • Wayne Cook

      Beautifully said, Kristen. The problem is that the cross is a stumbling block. Remission of sin is not desired by a fallen world, often until people are suffering and at the end of their rope.

      • Rusty Writer

        You are cross-eyed if you believe the cross is a crusade for spewing bigotry and hate. You think like the KKK.

    • Anthony Zarrella

      Absolutely. But Jesus’s own conduct towards sinners affirms that valuing sinners (which means all of us) does not require that we value their sins.

      Jesus showed us, unambiguously, that love is not saying, “You’re perfect just the way you are – go follow your own happiness” – it is saying, “Neither do I condemn you. Go, and sin no more

      If we preached the cross more (and I agree, we need to), it wouldn’t make us look more like a modern “mainstream Protestant” congregation, with its rainbow banners, where the only sin ever preached is the “sin” of calling someone else’s choices sinful – it would make us look more like an “old-fashioned” Catholic parish, with sermons about how God loved us enough to be crucified for our sins, and every time we cling to our sins out of misguided self-love rather than detesting them for love of Him, we add another thorn to His crown, and how any suffering we must undergo for the sake of following His law is a holy sacrifice to be laid at His feet.

      • Rusty Writer

        Bigots claim Jesus died on the cross to give them permission to attack LGBT people. What garbage. There is no record Jesus ever spoke a single word against homosexuality or transgender people. In the 40 years of the ‘ex-gay’ ministries, no Christians went from homosexual to heterosexual, admitted the leaders, which is why EVERY MAJOR, DECADES-OLD EX-GAY MINISTRY FADED INTO HISTORY.

        • Anthony Zarrella

          Bigots claim Jesus died on the cross to give them permission to attack LGBT people. What garbage.

          I fully agree – no Christian should be attacking anyone, and the question of whether LGBT lifestyles are permitted by God’s law is not a question that was decided by the Cross.

          There is no record Jesus ever spoke a single word against homosexuality or transgender people.

          Paul did.

          We’re Christians, not Jesusists – we believe that all of the Bible is the inspired word of God, not only those verses that are direct quotes from Jesus. So, if Paul wrote something, it’s just as much God’s word as if Jesus spoke it Himself (not that I’m endorsing “verbal inspiration”).

          In the 40 years of the ‘ex-gay’ ministries, no Christians went from homosexual to heterosexual

          Debatable. But I’ll accept that for the sake of argument.

          However, a great many Christians have gone from “practicing” homosexual to chaste homosexual.

          • Rusty Writer

            “Homosexuality” is a modern medical term and concept. Paul never discussed it or any modern medical concept. And you don’t follow much of the bible yourself. Thank God. It allows slavery, genocide and is the basis of racism and stoning women to death if they can’t prove they are virgins on their wedding night. You are not a Christian. You are a bigot falsely using the name of a bible character to justify your own ugly human biases.

          • Anthony Zarrella

            Blah, blah, blah – it took impressive skill to copy and paste this same satirical list that’s been floating around the internet for over ten years (and probably was a staple of some comedian’s act long before that).

            Let me answer all your questions, 1-10, in one stroke: Christians do not believe, and never have believed that the Levitical laws you mention are binding on Christians.

            There are three basic types of Old Testament laws:

            1) Ceremonial laws, designed to set the Hebrews apart from the surrounding nations and to do ritual honor unto God (such as “uncleanliness” laws, religious rituals, kosher laws, etc.). These are wholly abrogated under the new covenant, as Paul clearly demonstrates in his discussions regarding circumcision and Sabbaths. We have new observances and a new royal priesthood in Christ. [These laws are still regarded as binding by modern Jews.]

            2) Judicial laws, designed to codify the administration of Israel as a nation-state (such as specific punishments for certain offenses, or specific standards of evidence, or economic rules). These are not even binding on modern Jews, because they were laws for Israel, not for the Hebrews as individuals – I could be wrong, but I’m pretty sure that even OT Jews travelling abroad were not expected to keep or enforce this sort of law.

            3) Moral laws, designed to tell God’s people what was right and wrong in His sight (such as the Ten Commandments or the prohibition on marrying your blood relatives). These are fully binding in all places, in all times, and upon all people (whether they know it or not), because God is the source of moral truth and God does not change.

            In your list of snarky questions, #1, 3, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, and the first half of 10 are all Ceremonial laws. #2, 4, and the second half of 10 are Judicial (2 and 4 deal with economic administration – slavery in Biblical times was indenture, not chattel slavery – and in 10, blasphemy still is a sin, but the obligation to levy temporal punishment for it is abrogated). The death sentence mentioned in #5 is also judicial in character (and, by the way, your list overplays the snark by implying that the penalty for any Levitical violation is death, when Scripture never says or implies that).

            Moreover, no halfway decent Christian apologist relies on Leviticus at all to support an orthodox view on homosexuality. Why would we, when we could cite 1 Cor 6:9-10, Romans 1:26-27, or 1 Tim 1:8-10, among others? So if your argument is that we must either adhere to all of Leviticus or none of it, then fine – none… but that doesn’t change the verdict as to homosexual behavior.

  • Kathy Verbiest Baldock

    You want to know where you are complicit Brown?

    TRY FOR ONE WEEK to not post anything about LGBT people — I assert that you cannot run your ministry without it. You’ve created a vile contingent that NEEDS to join you in the bashing and marginalizing of several groups of “others.” I’ve said it for years, you start the call from your holy minaret, and the faithful extrapolate on your tone and run with the hatred. Read your own followers — many are repulsive in their dislike of others.

    One such type of your readers DOES make life SO difficult for their LGB or T child. I posted this last night on FB. You ARE complicit, as much as you play the compassion card, until you get a clue that human sexual orientation NATURALLY exists along a spectrum.You are part of the ill informed religious leadership.

    Two more evangelical pastors of LARGE churches came out as affirming this week ( one in TX and one in CA). They were willing to lose their pastorates. One week without LGBT stuff Brown, one week. Try to control yourself on posts and memes.

    “A 19-year-old young gay man, an IFB pastor’s kid, has sent me several emails over the past three months.

    I just got another one.

    He is “angry and heartbroken” over the comments (“too disgusting to repeat”) from his father and the congregation about gay people after the murders at Pulse. This created the final push for him to move out with a friend this summer.

    He is doing it for “myself and for the victim at Pulse, my brothers who I heard defamed, called names, mocked or completely ignored by my religious community.”

    I suspect this is happening in other places. The last straw of decency and some parents are failing.

    I wonder if there are any parents of the many who died at Pulse who would like a “do-over”?

    Foolish IFB pastor — he still has a chance”

    • GaryB

      Does it make any difference to you that the God of the Bible has condemned homosexuality?

      • Rusty Writer

        The bible writers were men, not gods. They knew nothing of “homosexuality” because that is a modern medical concept derived from recent scientific evidence. PS the bible okays slavery, stoning non-virgin brides, executing adulterers, anyone who leaves the faith of one’s father, genocide, requiring rape victims to wed their rapist. Do you obey any of that or just use the bible to attack LGBT people?

        • Gary

          God has good reason for damning you.

          • Rusty Writer

            Nonsense. Have you forgotten Jesus paid the price for every sin? Nobody is going to be tortured forever by the loving god. Heaven and hell are in your mind. If you live in fear all the time, you place yourself in a living hell. If you care for all people and allow others to live their own lives, you are in a heaven state of mind. Sorry you chose hell thinking.

    • eliasasm

      The old canyon creeper.

    • Wayne Cook

      LOL…Kathy, if the LGBT community were quiet for once, their behavior and lives would not be in the news. Rant on, baby. Or I should say, dream on.

      Michael has been reaching out in love to member of the LGBT landscape for years. Tell me…what have you done to bridge the gap you claim? You say he is complicit, but you didn’t reach out to Dr Brown to make the peace you say is broken.

      The comments on these pages only reflect viewpoints. You are mistken in labeling them as his followers. Last time I checked, responding to editorials was a right of free speech…which you seem to dislike if it doesn’t agree with you.

      • Kathy Verbiest Baldock

        “LOL” nice response.

        “Those who do not weep, cannot see.” Victor Hugo

        I will leave the blind to the mockery. I have real work to do.

        • Ashley Bowen

          The only blind person here is YOU! You can’t see past the hateful rhetoric from the LGBT to understand what real Christian love is. I will say it again, one Christian doing damage to his enemy is not ALL of the Christians doing the same damage to that same enemy. Stupid fool!

          • Rusty Writer

            Ashley, maybe we could understand real Christian love you speak about if you were not calling names and pouring out toxic vitriol.

        • Red Clover

          If you listened to Dr. Brown for a single hour, you would know that he has not a shred of malice toward LGBTQ people. (I WISH I had his graceful heart!) and he certainly did not START this nonsense – he reports about how the lgbtqxyz gestapo demonizes those of us who hold to traditional family values.

          God’s ways (including Christian values) are ways of health and life and light – but today’s godless left curses that light because it exposes truth. So when you hate Dr. Brown for shining God’s light on evil, it’s actually God, and His Word that you are hating.

          • Rusty Writer

            Kathy Baldock is a conservative heterosexual Christian who slowly came to understand LGBT issues (and btw, wrote a good book “Walking the Bridgeless Canyon”).

          • Max

            She’s not a Christian at all, she’s an advocate for the HIV-spreaders.

            According to Amazon, her book is a huge FLOP.

          • Rusty Writer

            Max, when did God put you in charge of who is a Christian? never, you are just a bitter woman-hating, LGBT-hating gaycist.

          • Rusty Writer

            Max, thanks for showing the world you are so filled with hate you can’t see LGBT people as people, and you are threatened by a woman who speaks her mind. Also, the book is doing very well, both on Amazon and elsewhere. Kathy goes to churches and larger venues across the nation to share her well-researched book.

    • MinorityStress

      Who died and made you God, B?

    • Ashley Bowen

      You’re the one that’s ill-informed. Don’t you know that their behavior sprouts bullying? Don’t you know that they are the ones that are throwing legal temper tantrums at Christian businesses and organizations because the Christians who own them won’t cater to the LGBT? Your little friend is trying to brainwash you into his little gay pity party to believe that Christ is wrong and the gays are right. Tell me honestly, how do you suppose that the LGBT community’s hateful accusations, rhetoric and finger-pointing at Christians is going to solve ALL of the LGBT’s problems? I’d like to know. Because it looks to me that your pointing fingers at their behest. One Christian doing damage to his enemy is not ALL the Christians doing the same damage. Get your facts straight. Oh wait, you can’t!

      • Rusty Writer

        Ashley, the woman you are ranting against is a heterosexual Christian conservative herself. Kathy Baldock is pointing out the distortions in Michael Brown’s article, though, and the role that some people who use the name of Christ to promote prejudice instead of love are doing without being aware.

        • If someone saw a cancerous legion on your back, would you want them to tell you the truth or feed you comfortable lies? Which is love and which is hate? Your groundless, bigoted name-calling exposes the truth about YOU.

          • Rusty Writer

            HEY BIGOT, YOU LIVE IN A BUBBLE OF HATE AND THINK IT’S NORMAL. BYE-BYE, MR TOXIC.

    • mw006

      And along that spectrum lie orientations towards pedophilia and necrophilia. Because they exist should they be morally and socially acceptable? Some in the LGTBQ camp say yes. What say you?

      • Rusty Writer

        Nobody ever said that, anonymous troll.

    • Josh Francis

      Are you complicit in promoting marriage by harming those who are gay and don’t believe in marriage. Have you also thrown out the scripture that sex outside of marriage is worthy of hell so that you don’t “harm” those in the gay community?

  • Jonatas Cavani

    YUP, WE ARE THE CAUSE

    Our critics should have gone the whole full-yard in their criticism. It seems they are lacking a touch of imagination. They blamed us for the Orlando shooting, but they forgot to blame us for the Tohoku Tsunami – yes we caused that through our prayers. The atom bombs were dropped by missionaries on unrepentant cities that refused to convert. We also caused the 2008 financial crisis in our greed for the altar offerings. The Cultural Revolution in China – yes we are responsible for that too. We were acting as spies, directing Mao’s policies in an attempt to destroy communist China from inside. We are also to blame for Stalin’s purges. Despite his self-proclaimed hatred for all religion (especially the religion of his youth), the truth is that he had always been a double agent, publicly denouncing the Orthodox Church, but secretly carrying out the will of the Church. WWI and WWII wouldn’t happen if it weren’t for us. Any war that you can think of, even those that happened before the advent of the Messiah, were in some mysterious and scandalous way connected to us. Also, any forest fire that you see on the news, I bet there’s a Christian arsonist involved. We are also responsible for ISIS. We are even responsible for ISIS killing our very own Ethiopian brethren, and such fascinating and methodically documented connection will soon be published by a reputable atheist professor in the coming months.

    Ever heard of Pandora, the Greek Eve? Well guess what? It turns out that Hesiod was dreaming prophetically of the coming Christians when he wrote this myth. Pandora was based on his indigested dream of a future group of people who would release all sorts of evil in the world – hence, Pandora’s Box.

    This is a good start. If our critics plan to enter the field of fantasy writing, they need to try better. imagination is the key!

    • GaryB

      You didn’t mention 9/11.

      • Rusty Writer

        FAR, FAR MORE OFTEN CHRISTIANS BLAMED LGBT FOR THOSE THINGS. LGBT PEOPLE ARE STILL THE MOST LIKELY TO BE ASSAULTED SIMPLY FOR BEING WHO THEY ARE. THIS ARTICLE IS INSANITY TO FEED RIGHT-WING PARANOIA, AND MAKE THE IDIOTIC WINGNUTS FEEL LIKE VICTIMS WHEN IN FACT 103 LGBT WERE SHOT, NOT CONSERVATIVE CHRISTIANS. THIS ARTICLE IS LUNACY.

        • brothergc

          just like it is insane crap from the LBGT who wants to redifine what is right and wrong in order to protect their sin

          • Rusty Writer

            What sin? Sexual orientation is a gift from God given in the womb with a no-return policy. Don’t be hating on God’s rainbow children.

          • brothergc

            if I you had a big tumor on you back would you want me to tell you the truth or a lie ? No difference here sin is sin

          • Rusty Writer

            Every medical association has explained homosexuality is not sickness, but homophobia is. Your sin is hate.

          • brothergc

            yet every medical doctor will tell you that problems exist when you aduse the human body as in a man on man relationship , and to be fair when a hetrosexual couple does what a gay male couple does that is just as bad . sodomy is wrong period ad the human mouth is not a play toy if youget my drift

          • Rusty Writer

            Wrong, completely and totally wrong. No medical doctor will tell you that. “Dr.” Brown is the kind of hate-monger speaking like that and BROWN HAS ZERO MEDICAL OR SCIENTIFIC EDUCATION, EXPERIENCE OR EXPERTISE. He is selling bigotry and calling it medical science. no wonder you are so confused.

          • brothergc

            google it you self

            “gay male medical problems”

            Male homosexual behaviour is not simply either ‘active’ or ‘passive,’ since penile-anal, mouth-penile, and hand-anal sexual contact is usual for both partners, and mouth-anal contact is not infrequent. . . . Mouth-anal contact is the reason for the relatively high incidence of diseases caused by bowel pathogens in male homosexuals. Trauma may encourage the entry of micro-organisms and thus lead to primary syphilitic lesions occurring in the anogenital area. . . In addition to sodomy, trauma may be caused by foreign bodies, including stimulators of various kinds, penile adornments, and prostheses.”2

          • brothergc

            google it you self

            “gay male medical problems”
            I found many “problems ”

          • brothergc

            I had to edit so the stream would acept this so this is what I found some wording has been changed for the streams acceptance

            gay sodmy is the sine qua non for many gay men.4 Yet human physiology makes it clear that the body was not designed to accommodate this activity. The rear end is significantly different from the natural female parts with regard to suitability for penetration . The female parts has natural lubricants and is supported by a network of muscles. It is composed of a mucus membrane with a multi-layer stratified squamous epithelium that allows it to endure friction without damage and to resist the immunological actions caused by male. In comparison, the human rear end is a delicate mechanism of small muscles that comprise an “exit-only” passage. With repeated trauma, friction and stretching, the sphincter loses its tone and its ability to maintain a tight seal. Consequently, leads to leakage of fecal material that can easily become chronic.

          • brothergc

            so what say you I posted just one of the many problems when you abuse the human body that is why God is against it , it is not hate to tell that thruth or is Dr brown a bigot either . He speaks the truth , and if the truth offends you then sorry

  • Lid33

    We must speak out against this propaganda. It is hateful and misleading. To contact the NYTimes editorial board, email here: editorial@nytimes.com

  • Josh Francis

    Satan killed them because he is afraid of the revival in the homosexual community that is coming to set them free. They will be amazing worshipers and seekers of God to bring His kingdom to the earth!!!!!!

    • Rusty Writer

      Funny comment coming from a man who is gay. You sound like the Orlando shooter. In fact, your thinking is exactly what his thinking was. I hope you awaken before you harm a lot of people, including yourself, Josh.

    • Rusty Writer

      You think a little guy in red pajamas did this? The rest of us think it was a closeted gay. Hey, aren’t you a closeted gay?

      • Max

        Hey, Christian-hater:
        The worst enemies of gays are gays.
        You’ve been killing each other with AIDS and other incurable diseases for 40 years, and you feel no shame or guilt at all. You scapegoat Christians. All those dead gay guys in the cemeteries were YOUR handiwork.

        Take responsibility for your own crimes. Man up – oh, wait, you can’t, you’re not real men.

      • Rusty Writer

        Max, thanks for showing us you are blinded by hate and armed only with lies. HIV is not a gay disease; it’s a virus and the vast majority of humans in the world who have it are heterosexual. You seem trapped in the 1980’s Jerry Falwell way of thinking, which makes sense given that you are part of Westboro Baptist.

    • Rusty Writer

      It’s already happened. The list of churches welcoming and affirming their loving LGBT brothers and sisters is long and growing all the time.

      • brothergc

        just like the false prophets that they are they believe a lie instead of the truth

        • Rusty Writer

          Really? You want to rant against the dead people. That is sick and twisted, revealing you have no compassion, empathy or understanding. No wonder you are a Brown disciple.

        • Rusty Writer

          Josh speaks as if he is on your side, but you missed his posts admitting he is a gay man himself. He has been taught the same ugly things you were taught, but Jesus did not make him straight. As every medical assn. explained: sexual orientation is not a choice, and cannot be changed at will. Also, gay conversion therapy has been proven in court to be consumer fraud which cured nobody and harmed many.

      • brothergc

        and your derogatory coments are not welcome here now who is the attacker ?

  • Rusty Writer

    Ah, more paranoid ranting from “Dr” Brown, admitted drug addict and hard-core drug dealer who is now the lead martyr for white heterosexual males who like to portray themselves as victims of anyone who is not. Brown studied languages and knows nothing of LGBT medical and scientific issues, nor of the daily life of LGBT people. He has admitted he never even had a close friend who was LGBT, but ranting against gays has been getting him more money and fame (infamy).

    • And, as usual, the uninformed, bigoted hatred spews in the usual direction—not FROM Christians, but AT them.

    • brothergc

      quote from Rusty

      “Ah, more paranoid ranting from “Dr” Brown, admitted drug addict and hard-core drug dealer”
      Get Your facts straight Dr Brown was set free from drugs and His old life style By Jesus

      • Rusty Writer

        You left out the fact Brown sold heroin, cocaine and other hard drugs to kids. Fact is every addict in the world is still an addict. Just ask any addiction expert. His claim to know Jesus is belied by the fact you will never see him write an article on Jesus, on his prayer life, on his relationship with Jesus. Brown only writes attack pieces. Period.

        • brothergc

          thats a load of crap and I bet you cant prove a word of it

          • Rusty Writer

            It’s all public record. You can look at his own testimony on Youtube (LSD to PhD) in which Brown boasts of his life as a mainlining, drug-shooting addict who sold hard drugs to teens. He claims Jesus changed his life, but he never writes books about his relationship with Jesus (go to amazon where Brown’s books are listed and see for yourself). Brown’s books attack easy targets – Jews and gays. You owe me an apology. All you did was lie based on your assumptions.

          • brothergc

            says you I said prove it present you evidence

          • Rusty Writer

            Link us to the show in which Brown claims he never was a drug addict and never sold drugs. You can’t. He is very open about this. And I did not refer you to amazon reviews; I sent you to look at the books Brown wrote. You are playing dumb now.

          • brothergc

            You gotta know that the stream does not permit links , I suspect you knew that already

        • brothergc

          typical LBGT left responce , he was delivered from that years ago . and clearly you have not listened to his radio show or just plain refuse to see , starting to suspect your just a Dr Borwn troll . Their are places that support You views . Dr Brown and I stand with the Word and at the end of the day if I have to choose between what a person says and what the Word says the Word allways wins

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