Donald Trump Did Not Die for My Sins

In this Dec. 18, 2017, file photo, U.S. President Donald Trump delivers a speech at the Ronald Reagan Building in Washington, D.C.

By Michael Brown Published on January 27, 2018

I was scheduled to be on CNN this week to debate another commentator about evangelicals and President Donald Trump. Due to breaking news, though, the debate was cancelled. Had I been on the air, I planned to make this point: With all respect to our president, and with my appreciation for the good things he has done, he did not die for my sins, and I have not staked my soul’s salvation on his reputation. That distinction belongs to Jesus the Messiah, and to Jesus alone.

Why the need to state something that is so totally self-evident?

It’s because we evangelicals are being judged on the character and accomplishments of our president, rather than on the character and accomplishments of our Lord. Hence the need to remind a watching world that there is only one Savior, and His name is not Trump.

Unfortunately, in large part due to the media’s anti-Trump frenzy, if you dared to vote for Trump, — or if you’ve even spoken positive word on his behalf — you are considered complicit in his every failing, be it an adulterous affair in his past or an inappropriate tweet in the present. Wherever Trump is guilty (or perceived to be guilty), you are guilty with him. And if you dared endorse him, you have committed the unpardonable sin.

The gospel message is that people are perishing without Jesus, but through Him we can freely offer salvation. This is good news regardless of who we voted for.

One of my ministry school grads was having a conversation with a stranger while they waited in line at an event. The conversation turned spiritual, and my former student began to share his faith. The stranger asked him, “Did you vote for Trump?” When he said yes, the man refused to talk anymore. Jesus was not the issue; Trump was.

Trump and the Gospel

A Christian woman told me that a close family member is no longer open to hear her speak about Jesus because she voted for Trump. The conduct and character of this Christian woman no longer matter. The message of redemption through the cross does not matter. All that matters is that this family member perceives Trump to be a dangerous buffoon, and anyone who voted for him cannot be taken seriously.

May I suggest that, at least in part, this is a demonic attempt to turn people away from the Lord? May I suggest that our message has never been tethered to a politician? May I suggest that we fight against this? May I suggest we do this aggressively, not by defending Trump but rather by asking more basic questions, such as: “If you were starving and I offered you free, healthy food, would you ask if I voted for Trump before you accepted it? If you were drowning and I reached out my hand to save you, would you choose to drown if you knew that I had voted for Trump?”

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The gospel message is that people are perishing without Jesus, but through Him we can freely offer salvation. This is good news regardless of who we voted for. It saves the lost whether we who bring the message are Republicans or Democrats. We must proclaim this without fear and shame.

A Question of Moral Judgement

You might say, “But your analogies are not precise. Because you voted for Trump, we question your moral judgment, because of which we question your message.”

I’m quite aware of that objection, and that’s why I chose the examples I used here.

The issue here is one of eternal life and death, of salvation or damnation. That means it’s even more pressing than even starving or drowning. If you are guilty in God’s sight and deserving of His judgment, and if we have a message of eternal forgiveness and pardon, does it really matter who we voted for?

I agree that some evangelicals have so visibly hitched themselves to Trump and/or the Republican Party that we have compromised our integrity, as if political power was more important to us than serving a lost and hurting world. We alone are to blame for this, and we alone can fix this. I do not minimize this for a moment.

Trump shouldn’t be a conversation ender. He should be a conversation starter, one that quickly turns the topic from our president to our Savior.

At the same time, the very liberals who thrash us daily for our political affiliation as followers of Jesus had no problem with Christians supporting Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton. This is despite their support of the slaughter of the unborn, and their largely ignoring the Christians genocide in the Middle East. Why no shrill cries of hypocrisy over that? Why no protest marches in the streets? Why no one saying, “If you voted for Obama (or Hillary), I won’t listen to your gospel message?”

For Me, Trump is a Conversation Starter

For me, the solution is simple. When asked how I voted, I’m happy to say, “I voted for Donald Trump, but I did so with hope mixed with reservation. That’s why, on some days I’m tremendously proud of him while on other days, I cringe. But given the choice of Hillary or Trump, I’m glad I voted for him. At the same time, I find no need to defend him when he falls short, nor am I presenting him as a model Christian. That’s also why I pray for him.”

If I’m dealing with an honest, thinking human being, I don’t see how that can be viewed as a hindrance to the gospel. That’s why I’m not going to accept the idea that my vote for Trump should be a conversation ender. I’ll do my best to turn it into a conversation starter, one that quickly turns from our president to our Savior. He’s the only one I want to proclaim.

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  • Elizabeth Litts

    I voted for Mr Trump and I am glad that he won. I belive that we got blessed with a window of time for us as Christians to bring this land back to honoring God and getting our own house in order. I do not think Mr. Trump is ‘god’ but I do believe that The Lord is using him, just like he used the kings who allowed the children of Israel back into the land to rebuild and restore under Ezra and Neihmiah–we should work while it is yet day.

    • Freedom fighter

      Thank you for your words of wisdom, Elizabeth.

  • Paul

    Just wear a MAGA hat to make them have a coronary.

  • Hmmm…

    This argument needs to be made continually and all who have wisdom to share on the aspect should do so. Just shake off the smug smear that you have to validate all of Mr. Trump’s behavior to be glad about the many significant ways our country is turning around. What Mr. Obama et al care about does not impact most of the country, and they do not seem to care about that at all.

  • Patmos

    God bless, Dr. Brown. You’re probably the most reasonable voice in the body of Christ I have come across. Keep speaking the truth in love brutha! Some of these people will eventually flip, if not to Christ then at least a return to reason, which makes it all the more peculiar since secular leftists claim to have reason as their foundation.

  • GENUG

    he’s a vessel to carry out an agenda. he’s the boat we built, we’re the passengers – we get to steer however. If the current or winds break the route, we correct it. The passengers are diverse, but we have a mission – save The Republic and hence the world, for various reasons. The vessel may leak, but he’s our vessel. keep him floating – the alternative is over the waterfalls and smash on the rocks. Trump ain’t God, he’s only a vessel. perspective.

  • Concerned Christian

    “At the same time, the very liberals who thrash us daily for our political affiliation as followers of Jesus had no problem with Christians supporting Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton.”

    This is because Christians who supported Hilary or Barack, didn’t criticized those who didn’t as not being real Christians.

    They didn’t run around arguing that your vote should be based on the moral integrity of the candidate as conservative Christians have done for the past 40 years.

    They never ran around trying to justify their vote by rationalizing that Hilary or Barack were baby Christians that needed guidance.

    They never ran around saying you can’t trust a married man’s commitment to the country if he fools around on his wife as was the claim with Clinton.

    It seems that Conservative Christians are simply being judged by “with what measure ye mete” and don’t like being on the receiving end of what they have been dishing out for the last 40 years!

    Like it or not Conservative Christians are seen as judgmental and hypocritical. Even atheist don’t see Jesus in this manner. Maybe that’s the issue and not liberals, MSM, or even Trump!

    • Patmos

      Fake Christian troll account. Has been exposed already. Just ignore.

      • Chip Crawford

        Yep, when called when he gets himself in a corner, he follows the tired, worn Dim playbook, becomes the whining victim … Sad …

        • Concerned Christian

          yes, you guys are way to smart, I mean spiritual, for me to understand your logic! 🙂

      • Concerned Christian

        “You under estimate the power of the dark side of the force”! 🙂

    • Andrew Mason

      Really? That’s not the impression I’ve gotten. Liberal christians prioritise politics over faith and condemn those who don’t share their beliefs.

      I’d say it’s Liberal christians that are seen as judgemental hypocrites by those with a vague knowledge of Christianity. They refuse to believe what they claim to believe, and condemn those who do.

      • Concerned Christian

        I don’t agree with what you said, but even if true, it’s like we have a catch 22.

        Conservative Christians can ignore all criticisms because all criticisms are from the enemies of God. Therefore there’s no need to change.

  • David M. Crowder

    OK…..understood, The current president walks and talks and acts like many regular people and his supporters understand that. To me he’s not a Democrat.And He’s not a duplicitous Republican.He’s a man who loves his country , all of it,not what the press says…He has a past like all sinners. But it’s the worst sinners that understand the grace of God most.He’s doing a job , he isn’t the country’s pastor, He has left tha job that to the “pros”,the clergy who have been in hiding and fearful, and want to be liked by the media.God Bless Him for being a fighter.

  • Mike M

    Author uses straw man argument to perfection. Shameful. Speaking of scripture, I recall a story about removing the log in one’s own eye before dealing with the mote in another’s eye.

    • Patmos

      Whoops, you have apparently posted a comment to the wrong article. Either that or you’re a bot.

      • Mike M

        Well I was wrong. Jumped to conclusions on the headline.

  • Kevin Quillen

    “If I’m dealing with an honest, thinking human being”, therein lies the problem. Liberals/progressives are neither.

    • Paul (not that one)

      The problem is that you don’t treat them as such. Maybe if you tried to listen / understand where they’re coming from you might build a platform to share what you think, and it might be heard.

      • brothergc

        really ? Well every time I have tried and expressed my view I am called raciest, homophobe, bigot and so on . That is what you get when you try to reason with them. You either must agree on their point of view or they start name calling . You cant reason with the insane

  • Chip Crawford

    Perhaps that interview can take place another time. We need to introduce what we actually believe and think about these things to those who have assigned beliefs to us. If they are honest, they will rethink at least that much, what we think, even if they don’t agree or follow it. Some in the viewership will catch a seed of truth and let it germinate.

  • WRoze

    Thank you Dr. Brown for your discernment and, sadly, the obvious. I say sadly because it is the obvious that seems to have escaped the notice of many Christians and their leaders. Leaders who hasten to distance themselves from Trump’s bad behaviors (past and present) by openly judging him using the Bible as their yardstick. I say sadly because by association (as evangelicals) they are judged as Trump supporters and it is their own personal embarrassment that drives them to distance themselves, not their identity in Christ.

  • Michael Kappes

    The problem I have with this argument is that the author’s support for Trump has clouded higher judgment and reasoning. Trump is not a Christian, nor does he exemplify Christian values — the man’s a selfish, self-centered, self-aggrandizing, self-serving, self-conscious narcissistic sexual predator and pathological liar. Anyone who refuses to accept this as fact has their head buried in the sand and suffers from authoritarian personality disorder.

    The reason why Trump must be judged according to his past words and deeds is that he continues to say and act the way he did many years ago. He has no empathy, no compassion, no regard for the consequences of his words and actions, and puts himself and his own personal interests above everything and everyone else.

    To those of you who continue to support this megalomaniac, I strongly suggest you do some serious research into his past — and read “Fire and Fury” to get a better sense of who he really is. Trump is an existential threat to America and its democratic system of government. He needs to be stopped before he destroys the country.

    • Paul

      Still better than Hillary. And so far some decent results. Gorsuch, tax law, out of TPP, dumping Paris accord, Jerusalem. I have no delusions about his past, but it is fair to evaluate results while in office.

      • Paul (not that one)

        Isn’t that like saying Hitler is better than Stalin, because he ended up killing less people, making hospitals nicer, putting in good roads, giving the youth a nice education and something to do, and removing unemployment. To endorse someone because of ‘who they are not’ is a terrible way to endorse someone. I’m sure given 4 years in office Hilary would have done some good things for the country, but most would not recognise them because of a view that everything she does is bad. Sure she would have done bad things to, but my point is why should focus on the actions of people rather than their personalities no matter the party. As for some of the things you mentioned above, only Jerusalem could you make a weak Biblical case for, the others are a matter of your opinion and not necessarily an opinion Jesus or the Bible would share.

        • Paul

          No, it has nothing to do with Hitler or Stalin.

          As for my list of positive results, of course it is my opinion about public policy. I value lower taxes, judges that actually care about what the Constitution actually says, the sovereignty of our nation in the world, valuing Israel and other things. I’m willing to look at results, are you? Or are you so caught up in hatred of Trump to even go there? I saw a similar attitude in some folks directed at Obama and especially Bush. But the vitriol directed at Trump tops it all and now all of a sudden I’m suposed to only care about his past and that’s the only thing to consider. Yes it matters but he won. While any legal matters get witch hunted there is still a govt to run and those results so far have some positives. Maybe you like higher taxes, activist judges and global govt. if so just admit it instead of trying to attack Trumps past as a diversion on the actual policies.

          Your statement about making Biblical cases for policy is fascinating, do you expect a Bible chapter and verse for every govt policy? Fascinating.

        • Ryan

          You mentioned Stalin, Hillary loved his ideology. Like Stalin, Hillary had nothing to do with biblical ideology, especially when it comes to morals.
          Trump, like every other human on this planet, has a past. Are you morally pure? if so you can cast the first stone. I, like everyone else I know, am not perfect. Nor do I think I can only vote for a perfect person, do you think Jesus would have voted for Hillary? using her past for example?
          Trump is transparent, what you see is what you get, Clinton was and is false and deceptive in every way possible. But as the investigations procede they bring out more of the deceit of the DNC run by the Clintons.
          Perhaps you can provide some biblical concepts the Clintons use for your belief in them?

      • Michael Kappes

        Wrong. All the points you listed are NEGATIVE accomplishments — if Hillary were in office, we’d be continuing the recovery. To continue supporting Drumpf after all that’s been exposed marks you as a traitor.

        • Paul

          LOL, First time I’ve been called a traitor, that’s fresh. To think you actually want me to be arrested by the feds, and brought to trial in federal court for the crime of treason, fined and imprisoned because you hate Trump. And such a preposterous perspective actually makes sense to you. You’ve gone full tilt drooling liberal loon.

        • srg

          Recovery? What recovery?

          • Michael Kappes

            You forgot how bad things got during the last six months of GW Bush’s term. Seems to me you’ve decided to believe in alternative facts and live in an alternate universe.

    • If you are a Christian, then you were saved from something. It is quite obvious what our President was saved from. What were you saved from? If you have nothing to say, here, then you were saved from nothing, which means that you were not saved, which means that YOU are not a Christian. How dare you attack someone who is open about their faith and who defends people of faith while tacitly making excuses for the wickedness of those YOU voted for by trumpeting the outright, blatant lies of the left-wing, globalist media as though it is so much delicious koolaid.

      Again, what were YOU saved from?

      • Michael Kappes

        You obviously drank the alt-right’s Kool-Aid — you voted for an extremely sinful man, who continues to commit sin after sin and eschews the values of Christ. To claim otherwise is to follow a false prophet — which would indicate that YOU have NOT been saved.

        The concept of being “saved” indicates redemption through Christ — and following and OBEYING HIS MESSAGES, not simply claiming you were saved, but continue to sin.

        Since you continue to support a man who exemplifies sin in its purest form, I can’t help but ask you the same question you asked me.

        What have YOU been saved from?

        • You apparently voted for someone who stole their party’s nomination.

          • Michael Kappes

            Irrelevant. Russia was interfering in the primary process as well as the general election. GFY, Trump cuck.

          • You know, I never once in this thread have stated outright who I voted for or why I voted for them. My first choice was a black man, then that black man was brought into another candidate’s inner circle. Now that candidate is representing and expressing my views rather well, so I’m happy to be able to say that I stuck by that black man. So you can take your lies about Trump and go stuff them somewhere, because those interested in truth are not interested in your lies.

          • srg

            Bill, the best thing is, if civil war breaks out we will be able to shoot guys like Kappes and we won’t be prosecuted for it!

          • Chip Crawford

            Flag and check harassment or spam as the reason or whatever you think. If several do, maybe Dr. Brown will finally exercise his moderator function to help out on his board. If he doesn’t want to step in with comment, he can block this abuser overall.

          • srg

            So I’m a brut, but Kappes says GFY, Trump cuck. Double standard. It will probably be difficult to shoot Kappes because if war does break out, he’ll be hiding in the crowds, morphing himself into a “moderate”, just like in Hitler’s Germany when they got their butts kicked.

          • Chip Crawford

            so flag …

          • srg

            They could have shot Hitler, but they came to the conclusion he was one of the greatest assets for the allied effort, because of his interference with his generals. Flagging Kappes would be doing the same thing. His spittle flying rants are our strongest arguments to MAGA.

          • Michael Kappes

            If you’re interested in truth, stop watching FOX “News,” stop visiting Breitbart, stop listening to Alex Jones, Rush Limbaugh, etc.

            You support the brain-dead Ben Carson? BWAHAHAHA! GFY, GOPig cuck.

    • Chip Crawford

      Michael Wolff’s “Fire and Fury” states in the front that he is not sure of the things he asserts in the book. Unsubstantiated is becoming the new normal. Mr. Wolff looked around and saw the number of suckers lapping up the MSM and just went for it. (He probably needs the money.) If Mr. Trump’s accusers could actually prove what they continually spew, they would do so. They can’t and haven’t. Only you can make the choice to stop spiraling down with the lemmings.

      • srg

        Chip, when Wolff stated that ” If the statements in his book ring true, they are”. I thought about Christ’s temptation in the wilderness. What did Satan use to tempt Him? THE WORD. Surely those words were true. Where they appropriate for the time? No. That proves Wolff is a liar.

    • Boy, are you a poor judge of character. I believe the exact opposite of everything you claim to “know” about Trump. Thank God for President Trump. Without him Hillary would be well on her way to the fundamental transformation of America Barack Obama started. I’ll say it again: THANK GOD FOR PRESIDENT TRUMP!!! MAGA!!!

      • Michael Kappes

        You are completely confused about how evil Trump truly is. God will strike down Trump and anyone who supports him will share the same fate — you all will go straight to Hell once you pass from this life.

        • I really do pity you.

          • Michael Kappes

            I don’t want your pity — I want you to understand WHY Trump is such an evil parasite on America, and why he is the spawn of Satan.

          • Paul

            The evil parasite was his opponent, not surprised you can’t see that

          • Michael Kappes

            You’re wrong, and you’re too stupid to see that you’re wrong.

          • Paul

            Obviously we won’t be finding common ground, especially considering your other post declaring I am committing a federal crime by finding anything possitive about the Trump administration. Like I said then and demonstrated here with your undying support of Hillary, you’ve gone full tilt liberal loon bat crazy.

          • Michael Kappes

            I didn’t say you committed a federal crime — it’s just that you and your fellow Trump cucks are enabling treason and you need to have your heads examined — and I would also add the collective lot of you need to be deprogrammed from the alt-scum hate-wing media which has been poisoning your minds for the past 30 years.

          • Paul

            When you call someone a traitor it actually means something. And you’re doing it again now saying I and others are enabling treason, that would be an accessory. You just can’t help yourself wanting to make political prisoners out of people you disagree with, Bill Ayers would be proud.

          • Michael Kappes

            Listen: If you support Trump, you support a traitor. It’s that simple. If you can’t get that through your thick skull, there’s no hope for you (or for America for that matter). I’m done with you being a stupid, ignorant Trump cuck. You are now blocked.

          • Paul

            Your hero Hillary is far more deserving of the title.

          • srg

            Thank you. Not many wise according to the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble are called, God has chosen the foolish things of the world to put to shame the wise…. (1 Cor. 1:25-31).

          • Michael Kappes

            God certainly chose a fool to represent the US on the world stage…

          • srg

            “Spawn of Satan?” LOL.

          • No doubt about that! He’s also a very sick individual, obviously. And I couldn’t agree more with your I Cor. quote. Trump is a great example of exactly that. MAGA!!!

          • Michael Kappes

            Yeah, well, if the shoe fits…

        • luigi38

          I understand if you regard Trump as a threat to the country, and hate what he does and what he stands for. But Jesus said we must love our enemies, and pray for them (Matthew 5:43-45) And Paul wrote that we must pray for our leaders (1 Timothy 2:1-2). When Paul wrote that, the highest “leader” reigning over him was the Emperor Nero. Nero married a prepubescent boy, castrated him, dressed him up like a little girl and would have sex with him. Nero persecuted the early Christians HARSHLY, crucifying them and having them tortured in horrific ways. Kinda pales in comparison to Trump. After reading your comments, they seem to drip with hatred for the president and his supporters. I’m not trying to condemn you or say you have to like Trump. But I think you ought to consider whether the way you criticize the president is in like with the Word and Christ’s example.

        • srg

          Troll

      • srg

        He’s a sour-kraut.

      • Gregory McNeill

        Mike D’Virgilio, I feel sorry for you. When you support Trump, you are supporting Racism and Sexism. If you are a christian, you are insulting your brothers and sisters who are nonwhite and women. Trump has a history of being a straight out sexist! His true character will reveal itself eventually.

    • Jim Walker

      You know Michael, I started supporting Hillary and followed this presidential campaign very closely looking at both him and her. And hoping that she win.

      I’ve watch more than a thousand news clips and commentaries and came out disgusted with her. A pathological liar won’t support the things that go against the populous. He will stand on the winning side where there are more “voters”. If you believe “your kind” has the majority, why would any political candidate go against ?
      That is exactly what Hillary is, a pathological liar and a bad one at it.

      • Michael Kappes

        You’ve been brainwashed — Trump is the ultimate when it comes to the pathology of mendacity. Hillary may have lied a few times — but compared to Trump, she’s a piker. Your mis-characterization of Obama speaks volumes about you — you’re a racist Trump cuck, and your opinions are worthless.

        • Jim Walker

          I’m a racist ? Hahahaaa… you don’t even know who I am.
          How does a racist looked like ? Is he only white ?
          I can confirm that you are not a Christian but definitely a troll.

  • Xrucianus

    I’ve had dozens of conversations with unbelievers over the last twelve months, similar to the ones you’ve referenced; most younger than forty. When the discussion turns to my testimony re Jesus of Nazareth, their almost autonomic response is, “I don’t want to hear anything you have to say because ‘your kind’ voted for Trump.” Our egregiously uncircumspect championing of this carnal man is destroying the credibility of our gospel witness for decades!!
    May I suggest that it’s not because we happen to be, “ANYONE who voted for Trump” – and thus “cannot be taken seriously”. It’s precisely BECAUSE we’ve said we believe in Jesus AND we champion Trump that they perceive the self-evident hypocrisy of that belief.

    • Chip Crawford

      Apologetics seems a progressive learning experience. There are answers to these statements if we will seek the Lord for them and allow ourselves to benefit from articles like this and others who continually face them. People don’t always react positively to what you share with them, but a seed is still planted. Jesus spoke very plainly when needed and blasted the Pharisees down the road. Somewhere in there is more leeway than we have taken. I have had the opportunity to have some relate their positive rethink on things later. But if we just let their reactions shut us down and think the way they do, we will not put forth what will help. It helps me to bear in mind that I do not have to convince, just share what comes to me. The Holy Spirit truly joins with our responses, including the bold and strident. Jesus did not allow ignorant and reckless statements in his presence, nor Peter or Paul and others.

    • disqus_rH6k2N3NSu

      If there is no born-again candidate running in the primary, you vote for the one who stands more closely with biblical values and also protect American citizens, implement faith-based programs, strengthen the economy, stand for the biblical definition of family, stand against the murder of unborn human beings, etc,…

      • Xrucianus

        Friend, our conservative vote shouldn’t come at the price of our circumspect voice.

    • srg

      Is that my problem?

      • Xrucianus

        Do you want to elaborate?

    • John Doe

      So if you think your answer of who you voted for is the problem then refuse to answer the question. And if they refuse to hear because you are one of them, then that says that they were not prepared to listen in the first place.
      So many comments on here make it sound like we are salesmen out to get the sale but the man who is our branch manager is ruining our chances. That’s not how the Bible tells this story folks. Paul when his witness was rejected left and kicked the dirt of the place off his feet.
      Keep telling, keep trying, keep witnessing. But the decision isn’t up to your sales ability or lack of same, it’s hearts being prepared by the Lord to receive the witness.
      That preparation done in the prayer closet regularly before hand.

      • Xrucianus

        a. I didn’t vote for either for POTUS.
        b. I’m not one of them…
        c. I’m eager for them to make covenant w Jesus. Not Donald Trump.

  • Jeff Reynolds

    Very good article. Very well stated.

  • Walter Cantrell

    I think Dr. Brown’s points are right on.

    Before the election, I used the analogy of one’s house being on fire.

    Trump represented a firefighter who had a past of being inebriated on duty and not exactly reliable when it came to putting out fires. And on top of that, he had often forgotten to fill up his firetruck with water before heading out to a call.

    BUT…Hillary represented someone who would arrive at a burning house driving a truck full of gas and equipped with a flamethrower.

    If you have to ask which one I’d rather have show up to my burning house then you’re the one with the problem, not me. And if you want to burn in hell forever because you don’t like my choice, then feel free to do that and let’s see how your excuses play before the Great White Throne Judgment.

  • Gregory McNeill

    Dr. Brown, Christians should realize that Trump isn’t a leader. Condoning his behavior is insulting People of Color, Women, the Poor, and Muslims isn’t Christ like. That is divisive! My fellow Christians, if you make excuses for Trump’s behavior, you are part of the problem and shame on you!

    • Paul

      Must drive you nuts that Trump is POTUS

      • Gregory McNeill

        Nope, I am saying that Trump supporters like you, Donald Trump will become a disappointment to you and you aren’t going to handle it well. This man doesn’t like criticism when it helps him to become a better leader and is interested in outdated ideas.

        • Paul

          I’m already disappointed, still no repeal of obamacare, though the individual mandate removal will likely hasten the death. This isn’t all Trumps doing, but he played a part. He sticks his foot in his mouth too often as well, should wise up about that, and to some degree he has but more work to do. But he’s also managed some accomplished that I like. Gorsuch, tax cuts, economic improvements, TPP, Paris accord, canning Comey, Jerusalem and pipelines to name some.

          No new ideas for America? The tax cuts have had a good impact already. Border wall is a must. I’m curious what will come from new trade negotiations, time will tell. Also he talks much about reducing regulations, though the press has mostly skipped any analysis on that so I don’t know much details on it and not sure where to look for myself to see the details. He’s been one of the main voices along these lines during the elections. You may not like these things, but others like myself do and agree with Trump on their importance.

          It’s kinda funny, I think folks see either the reality TV guy or the business billionaire, rarely both. I tend to focus on his business acumen, and regardless of his detractors rants he has been quite successful in business. I recall Romney the multimillionaire ragging on Trump the billionaire as a businessman. Romney looked like a fool. If I could have a year being a fly on the wall of Trumps office while doing business I’d cherish the opportunity, much could be learned of how he approaches deals and opportunities, what he places value on. I understand he isn’t a choir boy, I’m talking about business. I’m not interested in his marital advice or his spiritual insights.

          As for his work as POTUS I appreciate having a serious business minded person in the job. First time in my lifetime. Yes he’s unpolished as a govt suit, that’s part of the charm.

          • Chip Crawford

            It is said that the manifold number of regulations shackling business are the reason for the economy starting to strengthen immediately and continuing. This began on day one, long before the recent tax reforms and reductions.

          • Paul

            Yea, I’ve heard it said but I’m lacking details that I’d prefer.

          • Chip Crawford

            See https[colon;2 slashes]www[dot]brookings[dot]edu/ interactives/tracking-deregulation-in-the-trump-era/ and search for other similar

          • Paul

            I will check it out, thank you

          • Gregory McNeill

            Paul, you are a part of the problem! He is a weak leader with no vision and new ideas for our nation. You are making excuses. Trump is proof that a man like that has no business being POTUS.

          • Paul

            I don’t know why you can’t comprehend that many people actually agree with some of the ideas proposed by Trump.

        • Chip Crawford

          He will reap what he sows. He has listened to critique from some and adjusted, but to the degree he does not or throws that off, is the degree he will personally fail. That is separate from his using his gifts on behalf of the country. It’s good this much has been accomplished so soon. Should he mess up and actually be removed or lapse, those around him are schooled and perhaps re-tooled enough to carry on in the beneficial vein. I think Christians are required to keep looking to God as Source, whomever he uses as a channel at any given time. I personally pray for the man to make it to greater maturity and discipleship, but if he doesn’t, I continue looking to God.

    • John Doe

      Every single human being from Adam down to you and I (except the sinless Christ) are part of the problem.
      If you can honestly say that you have never sinned in thought or in deed then you sir according to Jesus have the right to throw the first stone. But if you do think that you have no sin, the Bible calls you a liar.
      So you and I get to choose do we be truthful and admit if only to ourselves that we are just as guilty of the same sins as Mr Trump (and all of us) or we deceive ourselves into thinking that because our sins are not broadcast for all to see, they don’t count.
      Whether you like him or not Donald Trump is a leader, and a very effective leader. Probably the most effective since RR.
      If you were to ask my advise (and I acknowledge that you have not) I would say pull the beam out of your own eye before trying to pull the sliver out of someones hand.
      In other words realize and recognize your own sinful nature.
      We are just like him and he is just like us. We all need forgiveness
      God bless

      • Gregory McNeill

        John Doe, Trump isn’t a leader at all. Insulting people and calling the nations that they come from s hole countries as such Africa and Haiti and demeaning women isn’t being an effective leader! About Ronald Reagan, his economic policies are what caused our nation’s financial policies. Right now, we are repeating the same mistakes again. John Doe, stop making excuses.

        • Jim Walker

          Isn’t it true that many countries are indeed S***holes ? Why don’t you go there ?

          • Gregory McNeill

            Jim Walker, you are making excuses for him. Norway doesn’t want anything to do with him after his remarks. Trump is a racist and The NYT article from the 1970’s prove it. Him and his father Fred Trump was sued for racial discrimination! Why are people like you are in denial and making excuses? The man is a straight out racist. He has very few African Americans and other people of color in his administration. The man is a racist! Jim Walker, I feel sorry for you. You are supporting a racist means that you are a racist.

          • Jim Walker

            I’d like to cast a stone at you too for something you did in the past Greg. I feel sorry for you too.
            So I’m a racist ? So you support Obuma ? He supports killing babies in the womb. You’re a murderer.

          • Gregory McNeill

            Jim Walker, Obama didn’t kill babies in the womb. He was giving people freedom of choice. I want to ask you a question, if you are so concerned about babies while they are in their mother’s womb, why are people like you cutting or eliminating programs to help them after they are born? You are a racist because you support a man like Trump who insults and put people down. I live in Mr. Trump’s homestate and he has a history of racism and its all true! Jim Walker, I am not afraid to call out people like Trump and if you associate with a racist, you are one!

          • Jim Walker

            Greg,
            Obama gives people choice, that 8 month old in the womb has no choice…
            do you know me ? Do you know, with proof, that I cut or eliminate programs to help babies after they are born ? Aren’t you stereotyping that all white men are racists if they support Trump ? What about black, brown, yellow men ? Are they also racists ?
            Historical backing of Trump being a racist…so if anyone saw you doing bad things in the past, you have to accept you are condemned to hell ? So once a racist, always a racist ?
            I support his policies like Pro-life so I’m racist ?

  • Charles Burge

    Some of the comments below illustrate why I’ve always been wary of Donald Trump, and why I didn’t vote for him. Now, I’m very thankful for the accomplishments we’ve seen under his administration, and I pray that God will continue to use him. But when the polarization left his his wake actually makes people less receptive to the gospel, that’s a huge concern for me. As Christians, our first priority should be the advancement of God’s kingdom. The welfare of the United States should always be a secondary concern. Don’t get me wrong – I’m a proud American and I love my country. But I’d sell it out in a heartbeat if I knew that more people would come to Christ in the long run.

    The most common retort among Trump supporters seems to be “But Hillary…” To that I say, “God is sovereign”. If it’s His will that one society suffer in order to bring long term good (such as with the Babylonian conquest of Judah), then so be it. Now, thankfully, we seem to have a reprieve for the USA, at least for now. But let’s not be foolish. Winning souls for Christ is our mission and mandate. That is what Jesus will judge us on when we meet Him face to face. I haven’t read anything in the Bible about rewards for ensuring the stability of our country.

    • John Doe

      “Winning souls for Christ is our mission and mandate.”
      Actually sir, our mandate is to witness of Jesus Christ. You and the article writer are stumbling over the same rock.
      The Bible states that no one comes to the Father lest the Spirit draws him. Your job, my job, is to be willing and active to tell of our faith in Jesus Christ. If someone for whatever reason, be it Donald Trump or pushy auntie Gertie, refuses to listen or even to let you speak, that is the right that Jesus supported. He who has ears to hear let him hear. Without receptive ears prepared by Holy Spirit, your message will fall on the rocks and the hard places.
      As a famous Christian author wrote: The battle is the Lords

      • Chip Crawford

        Perhaps the 1 Samuel literal battle passage you cite nowadays relates to spiritual warfare against the spiritual enemy, Satan.
        Witnessing to others, drawn by the Holy Spirit for sure, is likened in the NT to farming – one planting the seed, another watering, with the Holy Spirit giving increase. I understand we are to initially pray for the person in our path, which brings the drawing of the Holy Spirit to them
        God seems to have chosen to partner with us in this vital endeavor as in many others.

      • Charles Burge

        I completely agree that the Holy Spirit does the work of regeneration, but the great commission quite specifically says “go and make disciples of all nations”.

        • John Doe

          I’m quite sure he meant willing disciples don’t you think.
          But hey Constantine didn’t read it as meaning “willing”.

  • EValerie

    An amazing read and helped me tremendously. God bless you!!

  • Becky

    You are asking if a Trump supporter offered me food if I would take it? What we should be asking is; Would a Trump supporter offer someone anything for free? I know that was kind of unfair but that is what Trump stands for. Many Evangelicals just voted while pinching their noses. They wanted the Supreme court picks. I realize that. Just when did we start trusting Rome or judges to further the kingdom? The Government of Rome and Israel killed our savior. But He also willingly laid down his life. What is Jesus telling us here? Look at the big picture. This world is not our home. If you would only listen to what the Father says you would know truth. He did not come to this world to condemn it, which Trump is doing. Jesus came to save sinners. He was a giver not a taker. He loved all so that every race of people had a opportunity at salvation. We are literally sending our mission field away, to be banished to other countries. As Christians we have aligned ourselves with a man for the soul purpose of a supreme court pick, instead of trusting a mighty God who two thousand years ago came and revolutionized a generation of people in order to write the Holy Bible, heal people, feed people and even die for people. As Christians we dropped the ball. But God gives us the ability to steal the ball once again. Help your communities. Get involved with others less fortunate than you. Give more, take less. Pay your taxes. Let’s start doing and being Jesus instead of Trump. We have the Holy Spirit to save the unborn. Just go to the clinics. Let’s form more pro life clinics. Let’s help more single mothers raise their babies. Give your money and time. Adopt, take in people, help them get jobs. Give, give, give. We should be the most generous people in the world.

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