A Christian Message to LGBT Americans in the Wake of the Orlando Shooting

By Michael Brown Published on June 13, 2016

I know that many of you are not only hurting today, you are also angry. And your anger is not just directed at the Muslim terrorist who slaughtered so many of your people. You are also angry at Christians like me, believing that we have helped to create the toxic, hateful atmosphere that led to the horrific massacre.

A gay activist in Charlotte, North Carolina with whom I’ve shared meals and interacted many times expressed his anger towards what he called the “sanctimonious bulls—t” of conservative Christian leaders, saying, “You helped cause this massacre. Your anti-LGBTQ theology assisted in helping others, including the Orlando shooter, in seeing each of our precious LGBTQ lives as dispensable and worthy of death. … F–k your prayers and your chaplains. How ’bout you stop your anti-queer theology that supports our death and despair, huh?”

In your eyes, people like me are hateful bigots, not recognizing the validity of your marriages, not recognizing the depth of your relationships, not recognizing the beauty of your families.

And when we say that homosexual practice is sinful in God’s sight, you feel that we are branding you as inferior human beings, virtually damning you to hell for who you are and for who you perceive yourselves to be from the womb.

Some of you have called us CINO’s (Christians In Name Only), reminding us that Paul taught that love does no harm to its neighbor (Romans 13:10) and claiming we are doing you irreparable harm and damage when we tell you God has a better way, that it’s wrong for you to engage in same-sex relationships, and that, with God’s help, it can be possible to change from gay to straight.

Many of you hear those words as anything but loving, to put it mildly.

As one woman posted on my Facebook page yesterday, “I blame YOU and people like you for the tragedy in Orlando. As of now, 50 people are dead, 53 injured, including at least one police officer, due to homophobia. And you, and your ilk spreading your messages of hate daily directly contribute to senseless tragedies like this. … SHAME ON YOU!”

In reality, if people truly listened to my message (or that of my colleagues), it would never dawn on them for a split second to attack you or try to harm you. And as I’ve said many times publicly, if someone tried to do you harm and I was present, they would have to get by me.

My friends and co-workers feel this way as well: As Jesus laid down his life for us, we are called to lay down our lives for others.

You might say in response, “Brown, you just don’t get it. Your words hurt us deeply and your political stances do violence to us. You’re no better than a mass murderer.”

I say to you in response, “Then forget about me or other Christian leaders and in your moment of intense pain and anger, look to Jesus.”

Jesus said, “Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and learn from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light” (Matt. 11:28-30). He said, “I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me shall not hunger, and whoever believes in me shall never thirst” (John 6:35). And he said, “I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd lays down his life for the sheep” (John 10:11).

But he also said, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me” (John 14:6). And “If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and take up his cross and follow me. For whoever would save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake and the gospel’s will save it” (Mark 8:34-35).

It is Jesus that you need.

Maybe you were raised in the church and have issues with “organized religion.” Maybe you have been hurt by professing Christians or believe that we’re all hypocrites.

I can tell you that Jesus will never harm you and that Jesus is not a hypocrite, and if you will call out to him from the depth of your pain and despair and ask him to save you and forgive you, he will, just as he forgave and saved me in 1971 when I was a heroin-shooting, LSD-using, 16-year-old Jewish, hippie rock drummer. And he has never failed me since.

You ask, “But are you telling me that I’m supposed to stop being gay? Is that your message?”

My message is that we are all sinners in need of God’s mercy and transformation, and you can pray what all of us prayed: “God, I confess to you that I’m a sinner in need of forgiveness, and I cry out to you to forgive me and give me a brand new life.”

Then put your entire life into his hands — your past, present and future; your hopes, dreams and pains; your sexuality and your desires — and say, “Jesus, I want you to be the Lord of my life, I believe you died for my sins and rose from the dead, and wherever you lead, I will follow you.”

Call out to him today from the depths of your heart, and he will hear your cry.

Then begin to talk with him daily in prayer and read the Scriptures on a regular basis to discover God’s will for your life, and do your best to connect with other followers of Jesus who seek to live by his teachings.

It is true that he calls for the complete surrender of our lives to him, but when we take the plunge, holding nothing back, we discover the very meaning of life itself.

If I can be of any help to you on your journey, please let me know. As much as you may perceive me as an enemy, I am praying for God’s very best for your life.

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  • Patmos

    “No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him…” -John 6:44

    Father draw them… To your grace, your power.

    Father let them see your mercy, let them know your peace.

    Let their eyes be open to your written word, so that they may understand and turn towards you.

    Father, in Jesus’ name, let it be done.

  • Father forgive them, for they know not what they do.

    You’re not a sanctimonious bigot, Dr B. But yes, i agree completely with the statement:

    “You helped cause this massacre. Your anti-LGBTQ theology assisted in helping others, including the Orlando shooter, in seeing each of our precious LGBTQ lives as dispensable and worthy of death. …”

    That’s just a fact. It does not mean you are a bad person. It does not make you “no better than a mass murderer”. It just means that due to your deeply and sincerely held religious convictions, you foster an environment where hatred breeds – without yourself being a hater. You hurt others, and contribute to their deaths, not because you hate them, but out of a genuine and entirely praiseworthy desire to help.

    It’s a conundrum. I know you don’t like the results, yet how can you resile from your beliefs? You have my sympathies there, and I honestly don’t know how you should reconcile the two. I know you mean well. I think with this heartfelt essay, you’re on the right track, at least no longer denying without examination the possibility that you’re causing harm.

    I wish you well. I’m glad I’m not in your position. Maybe a rereading of 1 Corinthians 13 might help. All the best in any event.

    • bhrush

      disagreeing with a persons behavior does not foster a hateful environment. if it did then we should not agree with anything else we casue hatred. NO to disagree with harmful things is a loving approach to people.

      • I disagree with Politocal Christianity the way that it is practiced in the USA today.

        But if I then went on to say that you should be banned from restrooms, that Christianity should be a capital offence, that you should be prohibited from marrying, or giving blood, or adopting, that you should be put in concentration camps or insane asylums while undergoing “conversion therapy”… then I’d be just like you.

        Even if I was doing it “for your own good”. I would be fostering a hateful environment. Even if all I was doing was associating with people who were trying to get laws passed to do those things, and encouraging them. Even if I wasn’t being a hater myself.

        For the record, should someone propose even some of the same kind of restrictions to Christians that are in force against GLBTI people in the USA, I’d be first in line to oppose them. No-one deserves that. Not those who foster a climate of hatred, and not even the haters themselves. It might be Just, but it’s not merciful, and if we all got the Justice we deserve, we’d be in real trouble.

      • VC_Maude

        Homosexuality is not a “behavior” anymore than heterosexuality is.

        • bhrush

          i did not say it was- note behavior is the word I used, so maybe I have to get more specific – sodomy is a trademark of homosexual men , and that is a chosen behavior and it is also the cause of much disease and suffering.

          • VC_Maude

            In that case, seems like you should also be going after straight people who engage in it, and you should certainly be leaving lesbians alone.

    • Patmos

      “you foster an environment where hatred breeds – without yourself being a hater.”

      It’s as though Jesus never said go forth and sin no more, and never said woe to Chorazin and woe to Bethsaida.

      The gospel of Christ is one of grace, yes, but also one of repentance which simply means change. For if there were no need to repent, there would be no need for grace.

      I think it’s probably you who needs to do some rereading.

    • GaryB

      Since it was God’s decision to make homosexuality immoral, you should blame God for the theology that you so hate.

      • After reading Judges 19 and Judges 20, any deity who countenances that is worse than I am – and I’m far less than perfect.

        I prefer to believe that it’s fictional, or misinterpreted. I see as much evidence – no more – for any god’s existence as that for any other god. Perhaps a bit more for Santa Claus than most, but not enough to be convincing.

        Others differ, of course.

        Good, I believe in. Gods, not so much.

        • GaryB

          Good must have its source in God, or it does not exist.

          • Nope. Might does not make right. If you claim “God is Good” then you already admit that the entity “Good” exists entirely separate from the entity “God”. If you assert that “Good is defined by whatever God wants” then you approve of Judges 19-20 and all that entails.

          • GaryB

            Then it is your burden to explain how “good” can exist separate from God. Can you?

          • I just have done.
            What I haven’t done is proved that “good” exists in the first place.
            While I can show from Games Theory and Kantian philosophy that there’s evidence for it, and I used to believe my position was based on logic and reason, I no longer believe that. You see, I asked myself the question – if games theory etc had shown that killing babies was “good” (it doesn’t) would that affect my belief that it wasn’t? I had to say “no”.
            So I now just say it’s a matter of faith.

            As for gods, demons, spirits, fairies, the easter bunny etc, be they Big Gods like YWHW, Zeus, or Allah, or little gods like Hephaestus, the Archangel Gabriel, Baron Samedhi, or teeny gods like the various evil spirits, rakshasa, efreets and djinni… not so much. There are just too many gods in Christianity, literally millions mentioned in Revalation.

        • Wise Guy

          Zoe,
          Can you tell me how anything can be objectively good in a universe without God?

    • NG

      How can he be responsible for creating a hateful enviroment, when it was the religion of Islam that inspired the Orlando terrorist? Sharing the message of Jesus Christ is not hateful, nor can it be blamed for acts of violence. Real Christianity is about love, not harming/killing other people. Disagreeing with someone’s lifestyle is not the same as murder!

      • VC_Maude

        If you “disagree with their lifestyle”, you disagree with them living.

        • NG

          No. Quite the opposite: you want the very best for them and tell them in all honesty that their current choices aren’t the best they could make.

          • VC_Maude

            Why is that your place? You people all have horrible boundary issues.

        • Guzzman

          That’s BS.

    • Jeff Blessing

      So, if we believe someone is running headlong off a cliff, full-speed ahead, we shouldn’t warn them? Is that how you say we should love them? Let them do what they want knowing it will condemn them? We are all priests, kings and prophets of the order of Melchizadek (which means Righteous King), and if we do not warn people of their sin knowing that they so sin, then we take a part in their sin ourselves. However, if we warn and our warnings are not heeded, then we are blameless. You have to read the beginning of the book, the “Old Testament” in order to fully understand the end of the book, the “New” Testament.

      • VC_Maude

        Except they’re not running “headlong off a cliff”. Why can’t you just leave people alone?

    • The Dove

      We regard 1 Corinthians 13 as inspired by God.
      We also regard 1 Corinthians 6 as inspired by God.

      Paul wrote about love. Paul also stated that homosexuals will not enter heaven.

      Who has more authority for Christians? A trannie on the internet, or the apostle Paul?

    • Ino Yamanaka

      It’s Alan!

    • Lania89

      Um, huh? Your post makes no sense. Dr. Brown does not share the same theology as the Orlando shooter, who happened to be going to this particular gay bar as a regular and chatting and picking up men on gay chat apps. Jewish and Christian theology does not assist others as well as Muslims in viewing LGBTQAIPK lives as dispensable and “worthy” of death. Your blame is misappropriated and seeming compliments are strange and confusing. There are plenty of atheists I know who hate gays, and it’s not because Christianity or Judaism pushed them to it. Hatred does not need a Jewish or Christian environment to breed, as you say. Hatred only needs a human mind to form.

    • eliasasm

      We’re not asking for your forgiveness and do need it.

      • Forgiveness is freely given wthout you having to ask.

        • AustinRocks

          Nothing to forgive. you’re the crazy man on this thread.

    • VC_Maude

      Absolutely this!

      You can love harmful ideology or you can love human lives. I choose human lives.

    • parquee_hundido

      Alan, can you give us normal people any reason why we should put any stock at all in the rantings of a man who thinks he’s a woman?

      I mean, ONE reason? Any?

    • Dean Bruckner

      “Love does not delight in evil, but rejoices in the truth.”

  • A J MacDonald Jr

    As far as the culture is concerned: Homophobia = Hate = Orlando. All ‘anti-gays’ are homophobes, haters, and Orlando shooters.

    • SMA905

      That must then imply that all anti-christians are religiophobes, haters, and Christian/Muslim/pro-traditional family murderers. Im so sorry you see anyone with a difference of opinion as a murderer. I hope you will realise one day how judgmental and hypocritical it is to think that way. It makes no sense.

    • GaryB

      Include Almighty God in that because it was His idea to make homosexuality immoral.

    • Franklin Dzioba

      You should reconsider your position. You cannot on the one hand exalt diversity and then on the other condemn diverse thought by equating it with mass murder!?! Why should you hate Christians when it was a Muslim who has done this? Christians just want our rights as well, we debate the issues, we dont kill people. To equate a killer to someone who disagrees is to allow some justification to this killer and to do damage to the victims. Not icing a cake for a ceremony you disagree with and losing your livelihood in the process does not equal committing mass murder. Please be sensible and think about what you are saying.

      • VC_Maude

        Someone else’s existence is not for you to “disagree with”. You piles of garbage contribute to homophobia every day with this. I’m not at all shocked you’re now pretending it’s not your problem.

        • GaryB

          God is the “Ultimate Homophobe”, so you should blame Him.

          • VC_Maude

            Yes, how convenient that your “God” hates all the same people you do.
            Grow up and own your sh*t.

    • The Dove

      Actually, the killer was a gay man.

      • RoundRocker

        But he was the kind of gay man you all seem to admire so much- he was married (twice) to women and had at least one child. So far, no man has come forward and admitted the shooter ever “practiced” or “gave in to” his homosexual urges. Isn’t that what you say homosexuals should do?

        • Reason0verhate

          OK, got it.
          The gays who kill are not “real” gays.

          How convenient for you.

        • eliasasm

          Other than hate for Christians, you got nothing.
          What a sad little creature you are. Just hate in the hole where most people would have love.

    • PaleRider

      Homophobia is a slur made up by Gays and Liberals, thus anything written after using that phrase is fallacy and not to be taken seriously.

    • VC_Maude

      Have you tried. . .not denigrating gay people?

      • eliasasm

        Sure, we take a break on Thursdays at 3:15pm.

        Talk about narcissistic losers – “Have you tried … not denigrating gay people”?

        Get over yourself, loser, you obsess over Christians, you think we obsess over you. Most of the time we dont’ think about you at all, and why should we? You only get attention by trying to shut down Christian businesses or shooting people like the gay guy Omar Marteen did.

      • Liz Litts

        Telling some one the truth is not ‘denigrating’ them.

    • Reason0verhate

      Gays kill each other with AIDS, so why don’t you tally up the death counts.
      Death from Christians.
      Death from other gay men.

      take your time, miss.

  • GaryB

    Mr. Brown, you are wasting your time. I have never seen a homosexual repent of their homosexuality and come to God. And I have been around a long time.

    • It’s never a waste of time to try. We were called to let our light be a beacon in the darkness. We were told to not hide it. We must reach out and try. The anti-Christian movement makes my blood boil, but then I look at my infant son and realize they were once just as innocent. It’s that innocent smile and laughter we need to remember and feel pity that something occurred to make them so vile towards us.

      Most will not repent and in their pride condemn themselves. We were told this, but we should still try.

      • GaryB

        Do whatever you want.

        • Lania89

          Most Christians are not real Christians, and maybe because it’s impossible to full adhere to all the laws and commands. Most Christians don’t want to look at the Old Testament, nor do they want to acknowledge that Christianity is nowhere mentioned in the bible. Maybe it’s time people realized that the bible describes a Jewish religion and Gentiles need to figure out definitively how they fit into the picture, how they can follow God as Gentiles, and how to remove themselves from a man made religion posing as a biblical one. Following what the bible says is supposed to be impossible, but the ideas of humanity have made people think otherwise, have made it seem easy, and have made people believe what humans say over what the bible says. People are sheep and most do not think deeply, whether they’re Christian or not. Just because Christians are just as stupid as the rest of humanity doesn’t mean the bible is wrong. For the record, I would be considered a “Christian” by others, but not by myself. I’m quite embarrassed by them, and angry at their waffling faith and understanding of what’s written, just because they love hearing what pastors have to say more than what the bible says. Yeah, that’s real smart…

          • PaleRider

            You are but one in a long line of Gnostics who think “they” have some “special” knowledge. Everybody has it”wrong,” but you. Good luck with that.

          • CJL

            I am unable to find the comment that you left for me… You must have deleted it when you realised how stupid it was. (I get replies to my posts at my email as soon as you post, so I received it anyway.) I compliment you for the self-correction, but you might want to think BEFORE you post. This is another post that you should reconsider….

          • Lania89

            Everyone in the world believes they have special insight, whether they’re religious or not. I’m just pointing out what should be obvious about the bible.

          • Lania89

            Also, you need to buy a dictionary and look up the definition of Gnosticism. It’s not wise to make up your own definitions for words just because you think they sound cool and you really really want to use them.

          • PaleRider

            I am fully aware of the meaning of the word, as well as the word shrew; which fits you perfectly. The only thing made up is your claim that someone might mistake you for a Christian. Your true colors show through on the internet, I am sure they scream at people unfortunate enough to meet you.

        • My inclination is to not try anymore, but Jesus told us this would happen and to not give up. I don’t wish to be caught sleeping when he comes as a thief in the dark

    • Jeff Blessing

      I have seen testimonials from dozens of former homosexuals and there are thousands more out there. There is even a pastor who is same-sex attracted but celibate. Just because you haven’t seen one doesn’t mean that there are none, no matter how long you have been around. 🙂

      • GaryB

        I doubt that what you said is true. Lots of people claim to be Christians. Few really are.

    • Bethany P.

      1Corinthians 6:9 “Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. SUCH WERE SOME OF YOU; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God.”

    • Barefoot1

      There are several in my church. One repented, got married, and has children! You misjudge the power of God. The Love of God waits patiently for the sinner to turn to Him! He will never force you to come to the forgiveness that is in the sacrifice of His Son Jesus, He shows his love by not destroying the sinner, and tells us outright that He is not willing that any should perish! The problem is on the sinner, and notice I use the term ‘sinner’ and NOT homosexual!
      The Bible tells us that we ALL are sinners, and have come up short of the glory of God! He also tells us that the sin of homosexuality is abominable to Him! BUT He also tells us that He doesn’t view any sin worse than others! The sin of stealing is viewed by God as the same!
      I said all that to give a basis for the following statement! For a homosexual to be saved, he must meet the same criteria that the liar or thief must meet! Jesus told the woman that was brought to Him by the elders trying to trap Him, “Neither do I condemn you, (then he says the part that most want to ignore) go and sin no more!” When we accept Jesus, we HAVE to repent of our sins! And the test of the true Christian is that after meeting Jesus, we can’t WAIT to repent! We want to run to Him, and away from the things that Satan uses against us! Therefore those that practice homosexuality, and say that they are Christian, are NOT Christian because of the lack of repentance! The ones that have repented leave the lifestyle behind, or at least become inactive! The power of God renews the soul, and the sin we used to do is taken away!
      Pastors that have embraced the idea that the LGBT people are acceptable in the church WITHOUT a true conversion, are the false leaders and prophets that the Word tells us of! He tells us that He will require all the souls lost because of these false ministers will be requite of THEM! A church that accepts and marries the gay, is giving the sin a pass that God will not! I pity the pastors that are teaching that God loves you and your sin doesn’t matter, there is a place for a gay couple in our church, will be punished because of this lie! And it IS just that, a lie! False hope is given to the sinner that he can continue living the lifestyle of the world and yet somehow excape the judgement of God!
      Those that have had a true conversion, have repented and left the lifestyle behind, are the first to tell other practicing the gay lifestyles that God truly loves them, but will not forgive unrepentant sin!

      • m-nj

        with the exception that you think any person has it in themselves to turn to God by saying “The Love of God waits patiently for the sinner to turn to Him!” (no one turns to God on their own, read Romans 3, Ephesians 2, John 6), and that you quote 2 Pet 3:9 out of context (the “none should perish” is directed to the christians to whom Peter was writing), i agree with you.

    • m-nj

      been around along time? but maybe not in the right church or christian group? even if you haven’t seen it, God’s word declares it happens… see Bethany P’s post below, 1 Cor 6:9

      while our culture is saying it is OK to be gay, while still frowning on other sins, i am sure there are many? some? a few? homosexuals that KNOW in their heart of hearts, by God’s grace, the way they are living is wrong…

      if the Holy Spirit can save me (and you!), sinners all, He can surely save homosexuals as they hear the Gospel.

      Romans 1:16,17 – “For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to EVERYONE who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. 17 For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith for faith,[e] as it is written, “The righteous shall live by faith.”

      • GaryB

        I have been blessed by God to have not been around lgbtq in church. At least none that were out in the open about it. Just because something happened years ago does not mean it happens now. There used to be apostles, now there are none. The apostles used to heal people. Now that does not happen.

        • Mary

          Gary, did you cut these scriptures out of your Bible ? You need to read all of Eph. chapt. 4 and 1 Cor. chapter 12 We do still have Apostles and Prophets and so on and God is still in the business of healing. I dont know where you have been but I personally have seen several healings, and many others have too.

          Eph.4:10 He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)
          11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
          12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
          13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
          14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

          1Cor.
          12:4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.
          12:5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.
          12:6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.
          12:7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
          12:8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
          12:9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
          12:10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
          12:11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.
          12:12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.

  • This really isn’t a message to the LGBT community, but to everyone. This is even a reminder to us Christians who get so wrapped up in being angry at the hate directed at us and God that we forget to show love even to those that have nothing, but hatred for us in their heart.

    At least I know that it’s true for me.

  • RoundRocker

    Until you can accept that there are LGBT Christians who love the Lord just as much as you do, that their faith and relationships and love and marriages are every bit as valid as your own, you will continue to be part of the problem. You can tell LGBT people you love them until you’re blue in the face. As long as your actions demonstrate the opposite, you are a CINO.

    • Deserteagle

      So you go blaming Christians for not accepting your lifestyle? No, we are not part of the problem it is you who refuses to leave your past. Dr.Brown is correct and his message is sincere. Maybe you should take time to think and read the scriptures and meditate.

      • VC_Maude

        You will be a terrorist enabler until you stop denigrating people for their identities, and choose human lives over ideology. Being religious does not give you a free pass to behave this way, and we will not accept it anymore.

        • GaryB

          You don’t have a choice. Its freedom of religion and freedom of association.

        • eliasasm

          The shooter was a gay guy, you idiot. We don’t “enable” shooters, he’s one of your people.

          • RoundRocker

            But he was the kind of gay guy Christians usually approve of. One who didn’t act on his urges, but married a woman and fathered a child. Isn’t that what you want gay men to do?

        • Mary

          The shooter was not a Christian and was gay, you are speaking to the wrong crowed.

    • Patmos

      Dr. Brown fights earnestly for the faith once delivered to the saints, like he’s supposed to as a believer. Folks like you on the other hand turn the grace of God into licentiousness, and do not understand the true Gospel of Jesus Christ.

      There’s a reason Jesus said not one letter of the law will fall away until all is fulfilled. That Dr. Brown calls people to that word, while being the subject of slander in doing so, shows where he stands. That people who call themselves believers ignore him, continuing on in their own selfish interpretation of that word, shows where they stand.

      The truth of Jesus Christ will indeed set you free, and it is a glorious thing, not of this world but at the same time in this world. The authority given to believers comes with a power over the forces that would have them sin, and as such keeps them from sin.

      “Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, by (grace ye are saved;)
      And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus:” -Ephesians 2:5-6

      The name of Jesus is the name above all names, and there is power behind it. Those forces that would have you sin have to obey you when you use the name of Jesus. If you are feeling doubt as you read these words, and don’t believe what I am telling you, then those forces are winning and keeping you from the very thing that would give you victory over them.

      “he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.
      For let not that man think that he shall receive any thing of the Lord.” -James 1:6-7

      Get ahold of the name of Jesus, stand against whatever comes against you and tries to get you out of God’s will. Get ahold of it by faith. It’s not you that is doing the battle, it’s the power behind the name.

      • Mary

        preach on !

    • GaryB

      Homosexuals are not Christians. If they were Christians, they would not be homosexuals.

      • lurid

        That is not true, yes they need to see that the act of homosexuality is a sin but then you might as well say liars, adulterers, people that cuss, people that have broken the sabbath, taken the Lord’s name in vain, etc are not Christians – I pray you wake up Gary cause I have news for you, ALL Christians are sinners.

        • GaryB

          I don’t believe a homosexual that becomes a Christian will still be a homosexual. If that ever happens.

          • Mary

            I have seen testimonies of homosexuals that when they became true Christian that were able with Gods help walk away from their former lives, some were instant but some had a battle with the flesh at first but became overcomers. They were then able to see how they had been deceived.

        • GaryB is absolutely right! You can either be a Homosexual, or you can be a Christian. There is no inbetween. To be a “Homosexual Chrisian” is being a hypocrite!

    • Jeanette Victoria ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

      Christ said go and sin no more a LGBT Christian would be living a chase life as Christ demand of us

    • Stogiebear

      Homosexuals decide who is Christian?

      Get over yourself, little boy.

      • RoundRocker

        Name calling? It’s a sin you know. Thanks for the demonstration of Christian love.

    • m-nj

      let’s make it clear… being an active, non-repentant homosexual and being a true Bible believing christian ARE not compatible. the same is true for
      -non-repentant adulterers
      -non-repentant thieves
      -non-repentant liars
      -non-repentant (fill in any sin)

      you CAN be a true christian and struggle (and even fall sometimes) with homosexuality, just as a christian who struggles with any other sin. but you CANNOT say homosexuality is OK, live as an open, active homosexual, not seeing it as sinful in God’s eyes and at the same time say you are living a Biblical christian life … you may be a christian, but you are definitely NOT acting like one, and are bringing dishonor to the One Who shed His blood for your sins.

      sometimes the truth has to hurt in order to heal.

      • Puddleglumm

        Amen. Very well said m-nj.

        • Mary

          I second your Amen !

      • RoundRocker

        I’ve twice tried to reply to your comment, and it’s still “pending moderation”. The short reply (which seems to be approved automatically) is The pews are chock full of unrepentant sinners every Sunday and no one questions whether or not they are “real Christians”. Followed by examples with citations from the Bible.

        • O’Pinyon

          There is certainly a lot of room for repentance in the church. But wouldn’t it be even worse if we started encouraging “adultery pride” or “embezzlement pride” events?

        • RoundRocker

          In 1 Corinthians 11:6, Paul says that women who refuse to wear head coverings are a disgrace.

        • RoundRocker

          Gluttony is comdemned in several places in the Bible like Phillippians 3:19, Psalms 78:18, Proverbs 23:20, Proverbs 23:2, Exekiel 16:49, but how many overweight people do you see in church?

        • RoundRocker

          How many times have you stood around with your cup of coffee before or after church listening to the gossip?

        • RoundRocker

          Anybody in your church divorced for reasons other than adultery? That makes them an unrepentant sinner.

    • Puddleglumm

      RoundRocker….your statement sounds all nice and “Christian-like” but it totally avoids the TRUTH of the Bible and actually doesn’t make sense. So… according to you, Christians don’t love Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses because we don’t believe that they teach Biblical Christianity despite their claim that they do. Actually we don’t love non-Christians because we believe that they are well….”non-Christians”. And we can’t love those who practice polygamy because we believe that polygamy is not God’s design for marriage and so on and so on. Because according to your own statement….we have to accept practices (including so called gay marriage) that violate the CLEAR teaching of scripture—both Old and New Testaments—are valid (contradicting our own faith) or we are CINOS. The true CINOS are those who believe that one can be a Christian without repenting of sin as M-NJ said below. You may not like that but it is true. By their fruit you will know them.

    • Liz Litts

      If you sin willfully and refuse to give up your sin, you can’t claim to follow Christ. You can delude yourself and lie to yourself, but that does not change anything. Until you drop the delusion, you are lost. The people who love you are the ones who tell you the truth.

      • Mary

        Amen and Amen !

  • CJL

    Michael Brown: Read the comments below. One of my friends on Facebook has posted two items about different pastors who have said publicly, in slightly different ways, that it was good that LGBT people were murdered. The LGBT community has a reason for thinking that we hate them. Although you have, as far as I know, never said these things, you do say rather insulting things about LGBT people (while saying you do this in love). A terrible thing happened. Defending your position in this context is inappropriate. To say, ‘we mourn what happened and it is wrong’. is appropriate.

    • GaryB

      Have you read what the Bible says about homosexuals? Not exactly complimentary.

      • lurid

        have you read what the Bible says about sinners?

        • GaryB

          I sure have.

          • lurid

            Brother, then you should know that you are no more or less a sinner than homosexuals.

          • GaryB

            lurid, I never said I was not a sinner. But I disagree with you that my sins are no worse than homosexuals.

          • davidrev17

            Then Gary, perhaps you should consider what the God in whom you profess allegiance, has to say about sin in general; meaning just consider the definition of the Hebrew word “toebah” = “abomination” – in the context of its specific usage in passages like Proverbs 6:16-19 & Leviticus 18:22-29; 20:13. (BTW: You might also recognize the conspicuous absence of any same-sex related sins mentioned in that Proverbs passage too; yet “they” are clearly designated as an “abomination” by the “Holy One of Israel.”)

            And please notice as well, that at least three, of the “seven abominations” listed in the Proverbs 6:16-19 text, encompass one’s “tongue”; whose sinful demonstration, in the words of Yeshua/Jesus, clearly “proceed out of one’s heart” – and are tragically a regular feature in the behavior of professing “Christians,” who fill church-pews throughout “post-Christian America,” on a consistent basis. Yet few, if any, seem to be cognizant of these abominations?? Why do you suppose that’s the highly abnormal rule-of-thumb, among so-called Christians Gary?

          • Mary

            I do not see Gary trying to justify his sins, we are all sinners but we are suppose to turn from them with Gods help not try to justify them. In the end God knows what all we have done and if we have just tried to justify our sins instead of trying to overcome them then we are in trouble.

          • Jeanette Victoria ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

            That is not the point we are ALL sinners and unworthy, homosexuals are claiming that their sin is good and normal and not sin because God made them that way and we should all approve and celebrate their sodomy and if we don’t we are are hate mongers and will pay in some fashion.

    • eliasasm

      Who cares what they say?

      No one speaks for ALL CHristians.

      You don’t have a clue about Christians.

      • CJL

        I know quite a bit about Christians, having been a Christian for many years, raised in an Evangelical church, working for a church and having attended a respected Evangelical college. No one speaks for us all… but we allow people to speak for us when they represent themselves as Christians very publicly and we don’t question what they say. However, your comment isn’t quite on topic. I was responding to what Michael Brown said by pointing out that his comments were inappropriate and that other Christians, who his professed target audience heard, have said even worse. (I say professed target audience because I do not believe that he was addressing gay people. He was pandering to ignorant professing Christians.)

    • Jeanette Victoria ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

      And mainstream Imams all over the world are praising the action of the Orlando terrorist and yet you are upset bout TWO fringe “Christians.” I suggest you look to the log in your own eye first.

  • GaryB

    The lgbtq and their allies are using these murders in an attempt to justify and seek acceptance for homosexuality.

    • VC_Maude

      If you don’t “accept” people for who they are, that makes you a terrorist enabler.

      • GaryB

        Well, I don’t approve of lgbtq. But I’m in good company because neither does God. Does that make God a terrorist enabler?

      • Mary

        That’s a bunch of crap VC

    • Mary

      True Gary

  • Puddleglumm

    It is rather strange (just from a common sense perspective) that homosexuals are blaming Bible-believing Christians for contributing in any way to this horrific massacre. The murderer was a MUSLIM who also believes that Christians and Jews are inferior and should be subjugated or eliminated. Anger should be directed at Islam and the Koran which advocates killing homosexuals not at peaceful Christians who simply share that truth that we are all sinners and that homosexuality is a sin, and that GOD’s design for marriage is between a male and a female only, not 2 of the same gender. Christians have been around for a long time—longer than the LGBTQ community and “gay bars”—and there has never been a massacre until a MUSLIM who had been under investigation by the FBI for ties to ISIS, etc. did it in the name of “Allah”. So….I understand and share the anger….but please direct it in the right place….ISLAM!

    • Brian J Harris

      Hmmm….actually ‘homosexuality’ or same gender lover and sexual intimacy has been along as long as humans have been on this earth. So…way before the birth of Christianity 2000 years ago. Get used to it. It’s part of human nature and God’s design and not going anywhere.

      • Liz Litts

        Sin has always been here since the fall–but that does not make it right if God says it’s wrong. I am called to have compassion and pray for sinners and help them any way I can–not to ‘get used to it’.

      • Mary

        Brian, you make it sound like homosexuality was part of Gods design, if thats what your saying why would He turn around and say its an abomination to Him ?

      • Angel Jabbins

        Homosexuality is part of God design? Show where that is in the Bible, chapter and verse, please. Genesis contradicts your assumption: Gen 2:24 “Therefore a man shall leave his father and his mother and shall cleave unto his wife: and they shall be one flesh.” When a man and a woman are united in sexual intimacy, they do become one since they were anatomically created to fit together perfectly. Homosexuality is not God ordained. It is an aberration and against God’s created order.

        Sin has been around ‘as long as human have been on this earth.” That is very true!

      • eliasasm

        So what?
        Rape and murder have been around too.

        You people spread AIDS and cause millions of deaths.

        • VC_Maude

          Lesbians have the lowest rates of HIV/AIDS. Seems like you should be cool with them.

          • invalidnametwo

            Lesbians are the NUMBER ONE SUPPORTER OF MALE SODOMY – e.g. “gay pride” probably because they realize what a mockery these men are making of themselves, which works wonderfully alongside their feminist communist tyrannical goals!

        • invalidnametwo

          THANK YOU!

      • Anthony Zarrella

        To say that something occurs naturally in humans is not the same as the claim that it is “natural” (i.e., proper; rightly-ordered) for humans.

        Selfishness, greed, and envy are also naturally-occurring parts of human nature – does that mean they are in accord with God’s design? A small subset of the human population is naturally born with sociopathic tendencies (i.e., lack of empathy, lack of innate sense of morality, etc.) – is that something we should accept and celebrate as beautiful diversity in God’s plan?

        I’m not saying that homosexuals are like sociopaths (they’re not) – I’m just using a pointed example to demonstrate that we cannot prove that something is rightly-ordered merely because it naturally occurs in the human population. All sin and sinful inclination has existed since the dawn of humanity – since literally the very first generation.

        Also, if it were “part of God’s design” (as opposed to a perversion – which I mean solely in its literal, theological sense, a “twisting out of shape” caused by Original Sin), then why did both Moses and Paul write inspired Scripture condemning it? It’s an honest question, not a “gotcha” – if you are a sincere Christian (and I believe you when you say that you are), then I’d like to know how you manage to “work around” some pretty unambiguous Scriptures.

        [Edit: I realized that given the heated nature of this overall combox, I should include my usual disclaimer. I believe all the Church teaches about homosexuals, and that most definitely includes the teaching that they are children of God and should be loved and never subjected to any violence or unjust treatment. Sin is sin, but we are all sinners.]

        • Asemodevs

          What’s your hobby? Eating donuts all day?

      • Dean Bruckner

        If it were God’s design, then the human race would have been extinct long ago. Logic fail.

  • Barbara Solenick

    first, I have to say that I haven’t read carefully and thoughtfully all the comments (yet), but will attempt to later. but from what I’ve seen, Nobody has mentioned what I myself have concluded about this event and I saw was basically a similar conclusion shared by others on secular sites. and that is, that the shooter was a “practicing” Muslim, stopping in to pray a LOT at the local mosque. He was also tormented by a tendency towards homosexual desires, and according to the news, visited gay bars and dating apps over the past years—not just lately, but for years. long enough to realize this was part of his psyche, whatever you would term it. He obviously loathed his homosexual tendencies, as he wanted to live 100% for “Allah”, also his father appears to be a harsh, authoritarian person with no room for compromise. It is certain the shooter kept his “secret life” hidden from Dad. out of fear probably. this is the entire situation in mind. and I am a Bible believer, a believer in Jesus Christ as the Son of God who came to show us that He alone is the way to eternal life. but to blame ANY other reason except for the fact that this guy was a tormented, guilt ridden individual who wanted to somehow “cleanse himself” of the psychological mess his mind was in, is IMO erroneous. he did this out of his own tormented mind. and a non-thinking mind as well. how could he think that he would eliminate the LGBTQ population by shooting up one venue only??? fairly dumb erroneous logic. he was just egotistically working out his own thinking by taking it out on others. He himself was not a Christian never was, so I follow the logic of concluding that it’s “born again” Christian thinking and activity that was the initiation for this barbaric event, & others like it.

    • Brian J Harris

      Thank you! Finally some reason.

    • Angel Jabbins

      Absolutely! What happened at that gay club had nothing whatever to do with Christians. It is the Muslim religion (right in the Quran) that teaches that homosexuals should be executed and, in some Muslim countries, they are regularly.

    • Dean Bruckner

      Add the lie that killing infidels and dying a martyr for jihad in the month of Ramadan is “guaranteed” by Islam to absolve one’s sins, and the result is Orlando. And 9/11. And who knows how many other jihad episodes!

      They desperately need the truth of the gospel of Jesus Christ. God can make it real to them, through visions and dreams. Pray that he will.

  • VC_Maude

    Allow me to serve you a big steaming bowl of NOPE. You will be a terrorist enabler until you stop denigrating homosexuality and stop peddling the notion that you can separate gay people from their gayness. You cannot do this any more than you can separate people from their ethnicity or their gender.

    • GaryB

      If it is “once gay always gay”, then lgbtq have no hope that their sins can be forgiven by God.

      • VC_Maude

        They’ve done nothing to be “forgiven” for. Keep your homophobia to yourself. You literally have no reason to say anything negative about lgbtq people at all, ESPECIALLY when they’re getting killed every day for who they are.
        You are responsible for what you put out into the world. Your words and actions do not disappear into a void.

        • GaryB

          The Bible says homosexuals have been rejected by God. Christians believe the Bible. I rarely see someone like you attack God for his opposition to lgbtq. Why not? God is the reason Christians oppose homosexuality. If God approved of lgbtq, then so would Christians. Why do you not attack the source of homophobia, which is God???

          • VC_Maude

            I can’t “challenge God”. I can only challenge you. You spread hate and want to take zero responsibility for the outcome.

          • GaryB

            Challenging me won’t accomplish anything. I am not the one who decided homosexuality should be immoral. God did that. That means I can’t change homosexuality into something moral. I only oppose homosexuals because God does. And, I am not responsible for what others do. If people want to engage in homosexual behavior, it is not my fault if they get in trouble with God. But, if you blame me, I don’t really mind.

          • VC_Maude

            “I only oppose homosexuals because God does.”

            You oppose homosexuals because of what some men said God opposes. You’re a parrot. “I’m only following orders” isn’t a defense. It didn’t work in Nuremberg and it won’t work now.

          • GaryB

            Whatever. I oppose lgbtq, and their supporters. I will NEVER change my mind about that. What will you do about it????

          • VC_Maude

            Then you will forever be a terrorist enabler with blood on your hands.

          • GaryB

            I like that.

          • Brad F

            Oh, like we really take you trolls seriously.

            Get over yourself, goon.

          • RoundRocker

            In his comments elsewhere, GaryB has demonstrated he’s no Christian, so I don’t know why he thinks he has the moral high ground.

          • Anthony Zarrella

            Be cautious with your terminology, Gary (though I applaud your zeal) – we do not oppose homosexuals. We oppose homosexual acts and ideologies.

            Homosexuals themselves (the people who experience these attractions, as distinct from the attraction itself) are our brothers and sisters, and are loved by God no less than the person who experiences a dis-ordered inclination to gluttony, or laziness, or heterosexual lust. We don’t oppose them – we pray for them and dearly long for them to be united to the Body of Christ.

            We are all sinners – you and I no less than anyone else. We just struggle with different sins, while the particular sin of homosexual behavior happens to have no hold on us. A person with homosexual attractions might happen to be someone who simply doesn’t enjoy material opulence, and therefore isn’t tempted by the sin of greed, for example. Mere lack of temptation in a given circumstance is not virtue – it merely means that a particular circumstance doesn’t require any effort of virtue for a particular person.

    • Reason0verhate

      zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

      Coward. It’s the Muslims who kill you sodomites.
      Go rant at them – but you won’t, ’cause you’re a coward.

    • Live2Tell

      Christians around the world are writhing in agony because you hate them.

    • m-nj

      nobody is trying to “separate gay people from their gayness”… the God of the Bible, and His people – Bible believing christians – are attempting to separate sinners from their sin through the Gospel of Jesus Christ…

      • VC_Maude

        It doesn’t matter what your intentions are when the outcome is dead gay people. If you cared about human lives more than ideology, you’d stop denigrating gay people.

        • m-nj

          actually, myself and most Bible believing Christians care more about declaring God’s truth so that all sinners, homosexuals included, do not suffer ETERNAL death and judgement… we care more about their eternal destiny than keeping silent and letting them remain spiritually dead in their sin.

          • VC_Maude

            If there’s a god, you have no idea what his/hers/its “truth” is. You are only acting upon what has been written by men. Since there’s no way to prove any of it, you are indeed placing ideology above human lives. No decent person could observe all this terrorism against the LGBTQ community and conclude that continuing to spread this ideology is moral.

            Try thinking for yourself sometime.

          • GaryB

            If there is no God, then what we call morality is subjective human opinion that can vary from person to person and from time to time. What you call immoral is just your opinion and has no authority over anyone.

          • VC_Maude

            How is “God is moral” any less subjective?

            “God is moral.”
            Why is God moral?
            “Because he’s God”.

          • GaryB

            Fine. Believe whatever you want. But don’t try to tell me that what I believe or what I do is immoral, because you cannot prove it.

  • Brian J Harris

    Ha! Offensive does not even begin to describe this ‘response.’ A true Christian wouldn’t offer a ‘response’ that further disenfranchises a victimized group of people, but would instead only offer love, condolences and comfort. That’s what’s needed. This is deplorable. And yes, I’m a life-long Christian. My father is a minister. I studied at two highly recognized Christian universities.

    • GaryB

      How would you offer comfort in this situation? You can’t tell the relatives and friends of the dead that they are in Heaven.

    • m-nj

      based on his avatar, methinks Brian is in one of those so-called “christian” churches/denominations that believes homosexuality and true christianity are totally compatible…sad

      • Ryan

        It is a sad thing but many people today are taught that they can be saved in their sins.

      • Marshall P

        Nope, most likely has never even set foot inside a church. The religion-bashers usually pose – “I’m Christian myself” – because they think it makes their attacks hit harder.

      • Jeanette Victoria ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

        Brian J Harris just created his account and has made just three posts on this discussion he either a troll or has been banned on here and is making another account.

    • Marshall P

      Sure you are…

  • It’s arrogant of you to assume that we haven’t come to Jesus.

    • Angel Jabbins

      Until one surrenders his life completely to the Lord Jesus Christ…in every area of his life….he has not come to Jesus. Jesus said, ‘If you love Me, obey Me.’ Though He did not address homosexuality specifically, He did reaffirm what was taught in the O.T. regarding sexuality and marriage being between one man and one woman. Nowhere in Scripture is homosexuality ever upheld as a holy God ordained union.

      “Jesus answered, “Have you not read that from the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female’ and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’? So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let man not separate.” Matt 19:5

      Jesus is the ONLY way to heaven. Many people say they have ‘come to Jesus’. But what did Jesus say?

      Matt 7:22 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of
      heaven, but only he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you workers of lawlessness.”

      Coming to Jesus means coming to Him on His terms…not ours. It requires complete surrender and turning away from what God says is not His will for our lives.

      • m-nj

        good response, but make sure you do not fall into the trap of the other side that we only have to pay attention to what Jesus said… we also have all the rest of the New Testament, written by people inspired by the Holy Spirit, who also speak the truth of God, and also confirm that being an active, non-repentant homosexual is incompatible with true Biblical christian life.

        • Angel Jabbins

          I was responding to what Anna said about ‘coming to Jesus’. Does she really know the true Jesus if she does not obey what He clearly taught. But,yes, absolutely, the whole of Scripture confirms the truth of what God thinks of unrepentant homosexuality.

    • eliasasm

      No, it’s good New Testament theology. The apostle Paul stated clearly that homosexuals will not enter the kingdom of God.

      So if you think Paul was “arrogant,” you must be that type of “Christian” who doesn’t follow the New Testament – which would mean, not Christian.

    • parquee_hundido

      The truth is “arrogant.”

      Well, that’s that.

    • Scott Lively

      Sinlessness is not the standard. It’s your state of mind. Lot chose to live in Sodom, and his life choices would fail every test mainstream American Christians measure themselves by — but the Bible says Lot was a righteous man. Why? Because his heart was vexed by the sinful homosexual culture around him. God’s mercy covers a lot of sin, but it doesn’t cover the sin of denying sin is sin. It’s one thing to break God’s law while admitting you’re wrong — that’s redeemable. It’s an entirely different matter to say you’re right and He’s wrong.

  • Pamela Palmer

    Any reason my comment was rejected?

    • m-nj

      check your profile… it may be in “pending” limbo… i inquired about a comment i posted over two weeks ago that was still “pending” and was told they just don’t have enough people to moderate the comments. sad, when you try to add constructively to the discussion and it never gets posted.

      p.s. also, i posted almost the same comment verbatim in this thread twice yesterday, and they both seem to have gotten stuck in pending limbo…

    • RoundRocker

      I don’t know why my comment was rejected either. I’ve read the guidelines and I fail to see what guideline I violated.

      • Dean Bruckner

        Certain words bounce you into limbo. S3x, h3ll, and other words that are even in the article above send you there. Just use approximations like these.

    • RoundRocker

      Apparently, short comments are automatically approved, but longer ones go to moderation. I’ve made several short comments that were published right away, but longer ones are “pending moderation”.

    • Nicholas Asciollasr

      Don’t know what I am doing, just started, computer ignorant. Didn’t even know what I did

  • SophieA

    I have read some of the comments here, but not all, so forgive me if someone else has already made this point. Christians are those who have responded to God’s Holy Spirit and are following our life’s journey as best as we can. We are not perfect and would be wise not to point fingers towards those who are still, like us, on this journey of life. I have come to understand that this one other religion believes that non-believers in their religion must be forced to convert or be k i l l e d. Christianity is unlike this religion as Our Father has sent the world His Holy Spirit to do this work of drawing all people to Jesus. Therefore, who are we to judge a person’s heart? Truly we must admit that there are no windows into people’s souls so we are seriously disadvantaged at reading, in fact, the work God is doing in any person’s heart at any given time. Just a thought: perhaps we should cease pointing judgmental fingers at each other and understand that it is God who draws people to Himself? We do not have all knowledge and I think it is best that we leave important salvation matters to God and live simply as He directs us: to do justly, love mercy, and walk humbly with our God.

    • m-nj

      hmmm… not sure who is pointing fingers. do you think it is finger pointing to repeat what the Bible clearly states?
      1) homosexuality is sinful (along with a lot of other things)
      2) living an unrepentant sinful life is incompatible with true Biblical christianity (e.g., there are no “gay christians” in the sense that many liberal denominations think)
      3) there is forgiveness and new life in Jesus Christ alone

      • Rusty Writer

        “Gays can change through Christ” proclaimed evangelicals in ex-gay ministries for 40 years, but the leaders admitted no Chrsitians changed orientation to heterosexual. Since then every major, decades-old ex-gay ministry faded into history, confirming what every medical assn. said: Sexual orientation is not a choice. PS “homosexuality” is a modern medical concept. If you have a bible with the term “homosexuality” in it, you have been sold a bad translation.

    • Anthony Zarrella

      “Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment.” John 7:24

      In other words, judgment is not condemned, but in fact commanded by Christ.

      What we are not to do is to judge the heart of another person – we don’t know, for example, if a certain active homosexual is unrepentantly scorning God’s law, or if he is in excusable ignorance of the truth, or even if perhaps he is actively striving against his sinful habits but failing. God knows that, and we don’t need to.

      But we can and should (and must) judge actions to be good or bad, and when someone commits wrongful acts, it is a work of mercy, not of cruelty, to rebuke that person: “Be on your guard! If your brother sins, rebuke him; and if he repents, forgive him.” Luke 17:3

      Also –

      When I say to the wicked, ‘You will surely die,’ and you do not warn him or speak out to warn the wicked from his wicked way that he may live, that wicked man shall die in his iniquity, but his blood I will require at your hand. Yet if you have warned the wicked and he does not turn from his wickedness or from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but you have delivered yourself.

      Ezekiel 3:18-19

      Ezekiel had a special role as prophet under the old covenant – but under the new covenant in the Blood of Christ, we are all baptized into a share in Christ’s threefold ministry as “priest, prophet, and king”, so the duty to warn those whom God has spoken against is upon us all (though this does not mean that we cannot warn with gentle and loving words rather than with “fire and brimstone”).

  • Joe Kupa

    Misdirected blame does not prevent terrorism it only creates division. What we need to do is put our differences aside and come together as Americans first and intelligently identify our enemy for who they are and call it what it is Muslim Extremist! Islamist Terrorist! You can’t protect or defend Americans by being politically correct. Many in the LGBT community seem to forget Christians are also on the list of enemies of Islam according to the Quran and are worthy of death. Hence the slaughter of hundreds of thousands if not now over a million by now in Middle Eastern countries in the name of Islam in Iraq, Syria, Eygpt, Libya, Sudan, etc. ever since the formation of ISIS.

    • GaryB

      Muslims are not my only enemy. LGBTQ and their allies are just as much my enemy as are the muslims.

      • Anthony Zarrella

        A person with an opposing belief is not an enemy.

        Not all Muslims are enemies – only that subset of Muslim extremists who wish harm to Christians.

        Not all (or even most) LGBTQ and allies are enemies – only those who wish to compel Christians to accept and affirm their ideological and moral errors on pain of legal sanction or social ostracism (and that’s not all of them – I know several personally who disagree with me but respect my right to live out my belief in all that the Church teaches).

        Shoving more and more people in to the category of “enemy” isn’t going to do us any good at all.

        And besides, remember how we’re taught, as Christians, to treat our enemies!

        • GaryB

          I disagree with you about lgbtq and their allies. It seems to me that ALL of them want to try to force me to pretend I approve of them. They can’t force me to change my beliefs, but they think they can force me to change my behavior through the laws. or punish me if I refuse. I consider them all to be enemies that need to be defeated. I assure you that they want to defeat me.

          • Anthony Zarrella

            All of them, like all of everyone, want you to approve of them – some of them are content to accept that you won’t approve of their choices.

            Yes, some (a very vocal minority) want to compel the appearance of acceptance of their choices as well – but the vocal nature of a subset doesn’t prove that it represents the whole.

            And no – enemies are to be defeated or converted, and even while working for defeat or conversion, we are commanded to love and pray for them (not pray against them – pray for them).

            They may want to defeat you – they may want to crush you and humiliate you and subjugate you. But an eye for an eye is not the law of the New Covenant – we are held to a higher standard, and that standard is not dependent on whether or not our opponents live up to it.

          • GaryB

            If you had been in charge in World War 2, we would all be speaking German now.
            I don’t turn the other cheek. And I don’t love my enemies. And I don’t pray for them. I try to either vanquish them, or neutralize them because I know that they will harm me, if they can.

          • Anthony Zarrella

            Unfortunately, Gary, that attitude makes for perhaps a great battlefield commander, but an awful Christian. You just basically listed off three elements in which you declare proud defiance of Our Lord’s express commands.

            He is the Way – and that means the only Way. So if you think that following His teachings will only result in (worldly) failure, and that defying them is the way to “win”, then perhaps you should consider, “[W]hat shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul?” Mark 8:36

          • Gary

            Do you advocate that everyone should refuse to defend themselves, or does that only apply to Christians? Do you reprove Christians who join the military, or law enforcement? If a man is not allowed to defend himself, surely it would also be wrong for him to use force to defend others.

          • Anthony Zarrella

            I fully approve of the right (and the actual use) of self-defense and defense of others. In fact (and you can Disqus-check me on this), I have vehemently argued against the notion that “turn the other cheek” is a teaching about pacifism.

            However, loving one’s enemies and praying for them is not incompatible with defending oneself from them, or even seeking to neutralize their threat.

            Also, as a minor side note – while I approve both of the right to defend oneself and the right to defend others, it is not so inconsistent as you think to suggest that the latter is permissible but not the former. St. Augustine (if I recall correctly) postulated that very thing – that it was permissible (and sometimes mandatory) to use force to prevent harm to others (because then you’re simply choosing the side of the innocent other over the guilty other), but illegitimate to use force to defend yourself (because then you are choosing your own well-being over the well-being of another). In other words, he believed that a Christian should be willing to suffer any injustice, but not to tolerate injustices against others.

          • Gary

            I don’t subscribe to the philosophy of Augustine. I try to live in peace with everyone, but when they make that impossible to do, then I must either separate from them, or neutralize their threat. One of the reasons I don’t live in NY or California is because the laws there are harmful and threatening to Christians, and I would rather avoid placing myself at risk.

          • Anthony Zarrella

            I don’t agree with Augustine on that point either – I was merely pointing out that it’s not as obvious as you claimed that a right to defend others must also entail a right to defend oneself.

            I also agree with your general policy of living in peace until someone else forces withdrawal or confrontation.

            My only contention with you is your stated rejection of principles laid down by Jesus Himself. The command to love one’s enemies and pray for them was not a suggestion or a philosophical proposal to be considered and weighed – it was a commandment from Him Who has all authority in Heaven and on Earth.

          • GaryB

            I don’t disagree with anything Jesus said. I just find it hard to do everything he said. That is why I need him as my Savior.

          • Anthony Zarrella

            All fair enough. My problem was only when you denigrated the reminder I gave of our obligation to follow those teachings. You said:

            If you had been in charge in World War 2, we would all be speaking German now.

            I don’t turn the other cheek. And I don’t love my enemies. And I don’t pray for them. I try to either vanquish them, or neutralize them because I know that they will harm me, if they can.

            It is hard to love your enemies and pray for them. But you pretty clearly indicated that you also thought it was naive and foolish to try (and that those who do can’t possibly be strong and effective in conflicts).

            By the way, just to make sure, are “GaryB” and “Gary” the same person posting here?

          • GaryB

            I don’t believe God saves lgbtq, so I see no need to pray for them. I do pray God will protect His people from them.
            I believe all of my posts are under the name “GaryB”.

          • RoundRocker

            Aren’t the people you think are sinners the ones who need praying for most? You are assuredly no Christian when you defiantly refuse to follow the commands of Christ and proudly boast about it (which is another great sin- pride).

          • GaryB

            Everyone is a sinner. I pray for many people.

          • Anthony Zarrella

            God saves anyone who is willing to repent and turn to Him. Why are LGBT uniquely excluded from the possibility of salvation?

          • Rusty Writer

            Sexual orientation is not a choice, and therefore not capable of being a sin, but gluttony is, so work on your own issues, fatso.

          • Anthony Zarrella

            You’re conflating sexual orientation (i.e., the disposition, preferences, tendencies, and temptations) with homosexual acts.

            Homosexuality itself (that is, the disposition) is absolutely not a sin, just as having a sweet tooth or a big appetite is not a sin.

            But choosing to gorge oneself on food is a sin, and so is choosing to engage in same-sex sexual or romantic acts.

            A gay person may not be able to choose to stop being gay, but he or she can choose chastity despite his or her attractions, just as a heterosexual man with a “wandering heart” can’t choose to stop being attracted to other women, but he can choose to remain faithful to his wife despite his attraction.

          • Rusty Writer

            the B obviously stands for bigot, a hate-blinded one at that who has so dehumanized people who happen to be LGBT that he can’t see them as what they are, God’s rainbow children.

          • Wayne Cook

            You don’t even subsribe, as you put it to the law of Christ. You already said you don’t love any of the LGBT or Muslims. Cased closed.

          • Gary

            I don’t love you either. You compromising devil.

          • Mary

            Oh Gary stop. you are either not a Christian or you have tried to study the scripture without help from Holy Spirit therefore coming to your own interpretation of Gods Words which can be dangerous. Your own words “And I don’t love my enemies. And I don’t pray for them” Gods Words…
            Matthew 5:43-48(NKJV)

            Love Your Enemies
            43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I say to you, love your enemies, bless those who curse you, do good to those who hate you, and pray for those who spitefully use you and persecute you,45 that you may be sons of your Father in heaven; for He makes His sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. 46 For if you love those who love you, what reward have you? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? 47 And if you greet your brethren only, what do you do more than others? Do not even the tax collectors do so? 48 Therefore you shall be perfect, just as your Father in heaven is perfect.

          • Wayne Cook

            You confuse defense with heart motive…and you know you are in an indefensible position. what you are now saying is circular logic…you can’t argue the point, so you attack via argumentum ad hominem.

          • RoundRocker

            I guess that means you’re not a Christian, then.

          • AustinRocks

            Now that’s funny.
            Now that’s funny.

          • Wayne Cook

            You are simply lashing out irrationally. your heart is filled with your own brand of hate and bigotry.

          • Gary

            Shut up.

          • Dean Bruckner

            You can do this, Gary, but you are not acting as a Christian. If you claim to be a Christian, you are acting in direct disobedience to Christ, and without faith.

          • Wayne Cook

            You are confusing the people with their beliefs, Gary. You are right about the concepts and your anger should be directed at that, not the people. The Bible clearly says they are blinded, but they can’t know unless you lovingly communicate the Gospel, not inpinge them with your rigidity.

          • Gary

            You can be the “missionary to the sodomites”. If you are successful in getting a lot of them “saved”, you’ll be famous.

          • Dean Bruckner

            Like the Apostle Paul, right?

          • Rusty Writer

            GaryB – taking your absurd claims at face value, what did Jesus say you are to do to your enemies, remember? —– Love your enemies, and pray for those who (you think) do you harm. You admitted you don’t do that, so go take care of your own life and stop telling others how to live. You can’t change a person’s sexual orientation at all, let alone by insulting them to death. Nobody has forced you to do anything. Lying is not a Christian value. All people are to be treated equally under our civil law. And you are called to love all people. Your hate is making you sick.

        • Wayne Cook

          Well said, Anthony. Thanks.

        • Mary

          We are to pray for them.

          • Anthony Zarrella

            Bingo.

          • invalidnametwo

            Only righteous prayers are heard with effectiveness anymore. It’s too late. Christianity has “interestingly” sold itself out to both groups of people in this heinous story. Sodomy and Islam. Once our God became Sodomy, Islam had-HAS – an open door to destroy us. There is NOTHING CAN BE DONE EXCEPT BY THE ONE WHO’S IN CONTROL OF THE WORLD’S END. That is, unless all of a sudden, the ENTIRE church and especially our Nation, is going to FINALLY denounce it’s love of sodomy – then and only then, we might see this turn around. But since, EVERY SINGLE DAY, our nation and the church dives deeper and deeper into the cesspool of sodomy, my educated guess is, we’re just waiting for His patients to be filled, “to save the very elect.”

          • Mary

            Where are you getting that there is only two groups of people anymore ? Islam and sodomy ? which are you then?

        • Jeanette Victoria ✓ᵛᵉʳᶦᶠᶦᵉᵈ

          I could counter that we do not know what is in the heart of individual Muslims it is ISLAM that is the enemy

          • Anthony Zarrella

            Even that, I think, is too broad. Islamism is the enemy – the notion that [a particular fundamentalist brand of] Islam must be forcibly imposed on the entire world, and that any who resist must die.

            To claim that Islam itself is the enemy is no better than when certain liberal/progressive elements see the actions of people like Fred Phelps and the Westboro lunatics and say, “Yeah, there may be some decent individual Christians out there, but CHRISTIANITY is the enemy.”

            For many eras of history, Islamic regimes lived in peace and cooperation with Christian nations – not individuals, but whole Islamic nations. The modern trend of extremism is hardly the only viable model for an Islamic-majority nation’s behavior towards non-Muslim neighbors.

          • Dean Bruckner

            This history of Islam you mention here seems rather whitewashed. And any system that raises itself up in opposition to the true God and his word is part of the problem.

          • Anthony Zarrella

            This history of Islam you mention here seems rather whitewashed.

            I have no intention of whitewashing anything. I simply assumed that the various people my reply was directed to were already quite familiar with the violent eras of Islamic history, so I mentioned the more positive eras as a counterpoint.

            And any system that raises itself up in opposition to the true God and his word is part of the problem.

            In an absolute sense, yes. But “part of the problem” doesn’t mean “enemy”, and if we apply that standard broadly, then every “system” that is not the Catholic Church itself (or unconditionally allied with it) is “part of the problem”.

            On a strictly technical level, this may even be true – but it’s certainly not a useful lens through which to view the world if our goal is to do God’s work.

            Perhaps we can simply agree that Islam (taken in its best possible form, rather than its worst) is no more opposed to Christianity than any other non-Christian religion or ideology (and in fact far less than many). Of course, in its worst form, it’s pretty much pure evil – but even most non-jihadi Muslims would agree with that.

          • Rusty Writer

            ISIS is your enemy. Most of their victims are Islamic people, and virtually all soldiers fighting ISIS are Islamic people. There are over 4 million Christians alive today who are LGBT and none of them have changed to heterosexual via Christ, admitted the long-time ex-gay leaders. So stop promoting prejudice.

        • invalidnametwo

          Yeah, emmm-hmmm, love them til’ their cutting your necks in half and leaving you dead all around the world. The difference “USED TO BE” Christians would have actually WENT AND STOPPED THOSE BEHEADING PEOPLE. MUSLIMS STAND AROUND WHINING ABOUT HOW “SINCE ‘they personally’ DON’T SUPPORT – WHAT THEIR BOOK TELLS THEM ALL TO DO – THEY SHOULD BE LEFT TO BREED OUT OF CONTROL NUMBERS EVERYWHERE SO . . . what ? . . . SO THE FUTURE FATHERS OF ISLAM CAN CARRY ON – (percentage wise) the barbarians deeds. . .

          NO THANKS! ISLAM – PERIOD – IT THE ENEMY OF THE WORLD! IT’S ONLY CLOSE COMPETITION IS COMMUNISM WHICH, thanks to Barry Soetoro, is making huge strides in coming back WITH A VENGEANCE!

          • Anthony Zarrella

            Whooo-kay… take a breath and use some WD-40 on your Caps Lock.

            You realize, right, that you’re using the same false logic that anti-Christians use against us – citing their narrow interpretation of our holy Bible?

            I’ve actually read the Koran, and while there are certainly verses that some Muslims could use to justify hatred and violence against non-Muslims, there are also plenty of verses that could be used to counter that and to prohibit terrorism and forced conversions. Who are we to say that the Muslims who interpret the Koran to focus more on the latter verses are disingenuous or misinformed?

            Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying we go the PC route and just take each and every imam and mullah at his word when he says he’s not a radical. But there are plenty of Muslims out there who do genuinely love peace and fellowship, and in Khaksabad, Pakistan, they’re even giving their own labor and funds to build a Christian church (I think Catholic, but the article was unclear) for their Christian neighbors who lost their church in a flood.

            If you want to choose to hate an entire demographic because of the heinous acts and ideologies of a subset of that demographic, go ahead – I can’t stop you. But don’t pretend there’s anything Christian about it. Jesus didn’t say, “Love your enemies, unless they’re really awful, and pray for those who persecute you, unless you feel really threatened.”

          • Rusty Writer

            You are confused. ISIS is doing that, and most of their victims are Muslims while virtually all soldiers fighting ISIS right now on the ground are Muslim. Islam is a religion of 1.6 billion people. Starting a war with all of them when they are not the enemy is the most insane thing possible; ignorance kills. PS President Barack Obama is not a communist, but the original church at Pentecost was. Acts 2 to 5

      • Wayne Cook

        No…the concepts of jihad and islam are your enemy, not the souls of men…make sure you understand the difference, Gary. Homosexuality and jihad hate is sin, but we are to love the sinner. naming a people as enemies is jsut as bad as calling black people the N word. That is hate as clearly as if you murder.

        • Gary

          I disagree.

        • invalidnametwo

          WRONG! It’s this decompressed, mamby-pamby, vile hatred for the FACTS OF GOD, that has us sitting on our tied hands like a bunch of cowards for Christ. Listen/read the sermons of old, before our nation became enamored and head over heals in love with sodomy . . . thanks to our likewise, Political Correctness towards the communists who infiltrated everything to assure our demoralization. . . Had we SIMPLY STUCK TO THE FACTUAL TRUTHS OF GOD, WE WOULD STILL BE 90+ CHRISTIAN and STILL REVERE GOD – THE WAY HE SO DESERVES TO BE. AND, suffice to say, we wouldn’t have 90 percent of the social ailments presently and historically destroying families and children’s lives all across the land. NONE of this can happen in a land that steadfastly loves the moral truths of a moral God, who hates said sins?

          Can you imagine God dictating for authorship the moral axioms of Heaven. . . “oh how I hate sodomy, but Heaven can be filled with people committing it, as long as everyone hates what they do?”

          It doesn’t even make sense. We cave into these people’s demands and every single time come out, not only looking like fools, but, are increasingly harmed by our own “cowardly-love” compromises. We sat around debating false notions of hate and love while an entire generation of hemophiliacs were PHYSICALLY-BARBARICALLY – WIPED OFF THE PLANET – ALL BECAUSE WE WERE TOO COWARDLY TO SPEAK THE TRUTH!

          AT THE SAME TIME, OUR OWN CHILDREN WERE BEING MAN-SLAUGHTERED BY THE TENS OF THOUSANDS – FOR THE SAME COWARDLY REFUSAL OF DOING WHAT EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US KNEW – SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE – AND WHAT CUBA DOES TO THIS DAY!
          Why is it, someone with Ebola (a disease that can actually be CURED FOR A LARGE PERCENT OF IT’S VICTIMS) AND THEY MUST BE QUARANTINED, BUT, THANKS TO OUR COWARDLY FORM OF LOVE (WHICH WE ALL KNOW IS REALLY HATE) we let people who inherently spread a disease that is ALWAYS, ONE HUNDRED PERCENT DESECRATING TO THE VICTIMS, EVENTUALLY, ALWAYS FATAL, run around under the guise of . . . . what ? . . . “love?” PUL-EASE! IF WE HADN’T BEEN “VICTIM” TO THE COMMUNIST BORN DEMAND OF PHONY CHRISTIANITY, ALL THOSE PEOPLE WOULD BE ALIVE! And that is just ONE example of the resulting consequences of cowardism for Christ! We wouldn’t have 30 PERCENT of the social spending/budget if we simply PRACTICED CHRISTIAN LOVE. And it’s LONG OVERDUE CHRISTIANS START PLAYING THE ROLE OF CHRISTIAN or jump headlong into the cesspool of sodomy – as they’ve pretty done anyway. . .

          • Rusty Writer

            You wouldn’t know a fact if it hit you on the butt.

  • Cairenn Day

    Buddy, the straight old lady will name you what you are, a Pharisee. Don’t use Christ’s name to support your hate.

    You are just as wrong as the fundy Muslims. Y’all helped to create this hate.

    It is past time to remember that Christ taught LOVE not hate. He was angry with the money changers, but he didn’t kill them He chased them out of his house. Loving Christians need to do the same to the hate filled ones like you

    • Wayne Cook

      Cairenn, you completely miss the history and the origin of what you proclaim. Jihad started within a hundred years of Mohammed’s death. There were no Christians around him to “create this hate”. In fact, for several hundred years, jihad was foisted upon the ME before being foisted on Christian pilgrims.

      Christ did teach love, but he also taught that righteousness of the law was completed in Him. God has used and commands that all filth (which the Bible is clear upon from Genesis to Revelation) be cast out, while the people who sin are called upon to repent in humility. God hates pride, not the people who carry pride.

      The attitudes are what condemn man, which emanate from the heart. Paul says in his letters, that sin needs to be confessed, not condoned. Love is what we do one on one, not loving a system which faults the teachings of Christ.

    • invalidnametwo

      If Holy Spirit were in you, you’d fully understand, and, FULLY APPRECIATE what real Christians everywhere are facing right now. You people are the epitome of self-willed destroyers of MILLIONS OF FAMILIES, and NOT ONE OF YOU HAVE EVER EXHIBITED ONE SHRED OF REGRET FOR IT, NOR ONE NANO-SECOND OF FORGIVENESS SEEKING HUMILITY,
      You just keep running around, (as you are right here,) seeking whomever you may devour, by confirming the very same lies that have destroyed your own relationship with God. You destroy this son or daughter and family, and that son or daughter or family, and NEVER CARE ONE IOTA ABOUT THE DESTRUCTION, HATE, HURT, AND REAL PAIN you’re filling homes and families with all around the world! The fact is, (loveless) Christians have been playing Russian Roulette with sinners lives and their own for decades, ever since the sodomy loving gods were brought on scene by a few liars who spread the hateful gospels of sodomy . . . so much so, we’re now into our third and fourth generations of God-hating False-Christianity where even the parents of children sport the false doctrines that have you and millions of other people’s children in bondage and none of them even bother themselves anymore with contemplating whether or not they’re on the right path to Christ and His Kingdom, nor understand how far into the cesspool of God-hating they’re buried in.
      Astonishingly, like you, they have the gall to run to and fro across the net, and announce that the few brave men who speak truth, are the so-called “haters.”. If you only knew AND CARED – how much PAIN and MISERY and HOW MANY FAMILIES YOU’VE AIDED IN BEING RIPPED APART, you’d be unable to live with yourself.
      You’re a LIAR, and if you ever bothered – reading with humility – the non-sodomy affirming Word Of God, you might begin to see the REAL pain and the REAL DESTRUCTION YOU’VE BECOME, RECKLESSLY RESPONSIBLE FOR.
      I’m sick of all of you heartless home-wrecking, child-destroying liars who continuously AND KNOWINGLY – demonize the Truths Of God and Glorify the Desires Of The Devil.
      Don’t run around gloating your god’s lies as though you’ve encountered some sort of truth. DON’T USE WHAT’S GOD’S – AND NOT YOURS TO ABUSE – TO CAUSE ANOTHER PERSON TO THINK SINNING IS THE WAY TO ETERNAL LIFE WITH GOD. You claim to assert, “people have the right to believe what they wish,” yet, after years of your kind denying them their right to truth, you now want to fully strip the TRUTH OF GOD from their options.
      The FACT IS, what this freak barbarian did to, supposedly, “your people” is ONE HUNDRED PERCENT THE FAULT AND CULMINATION OF DECADES OF “your people’s” HATE, LIES AND DESTRUCTION OF UNTOLD FAMILIES. Human Beings NATURALLY – HATE – those who seek to kill them . . . Whether they do so with their barbarian beliefs and a gun, or, succeed in killing otherwise innocent children with decades of lies, it’s only natural, hate begets hate. If you people would have lived up to your FIRST DEMANDS, “we ‘JUST’ want to be left alone,” our world, millions of lives, wouldn’t be in the CHAOS they’re in, and a whole lot of people would still be alive to exorcise their beliefs. But that “FIRST DEMAND” was as much a lie as the DEMANDS your SPEWING nigh 50 years later. No matter what DEMANDS we cave in and grant you, you’ve got more DEMANDS waiting to fill the void.
      How long do you think normal humans will put up with this cycling viciousness? Instead of doing what Cuba APPROPRIATELY does with HIV spreading beings, we listened to “your people’s” DEMANDS and let them roam free – post disease ACQUIRING – and what’d “your people” give us in return? An entire generation of DEAD hemophiliacs, followed by endless loved ones, corpse-style, in the morgue tagged, “CAUTION: COMMUNICABLE DISEASE CARRIER” – AND, NOT A SINGLE SHRED OF REMORSE – JUST MORE DEMANDS! THE VERY “MEAN SPIRITED” “BIGOTED” “CHRISTIAN LOVE” that you UTTERLY DESPISE, would have ALL THOSE PEOPLE LIVING WITH US RIGHT NOW! MORE PROOF – YOU HATE LIFE AND YOU HATE PEOPLE – KNOWINGLY OR NOT, WILLINGLY OR NOT, “YOUR KIND” are the largest, most arrogant, most selfishly-demanding, murderous bunch on the planet.
      THIS MAN IS MORE LIKE CHRIST IN THIS MESSAGE THAN YOU’LL EVER COMPREHEND and to compare it to Islam’s barbarianism only exhibits your TOTAL – WILLFUL – IGNORANCE.

  • Otho Cooley

    Upon considering this tragedy before us, I have three things that come to mind. First, God is not willing that anyone should perish. There is no delight in the heart of God for the perishing of those in this wicked display of barbarism. Second, the judging of all individuals is to be done by God and His righteous standards. There is no need for us to worry about trying to be the judge of others. Third, God lists in the holy scriptures the requirements that each individual must make to be counted worthy to enter the eternal kingdom of God. I Corinthians 6:9-11 makes it clear who cannot enter into God’s presence. “Do not you know the the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. ” Clearly, the scriptures declare that those who formerly had a disobedient lifestyle but were transformed by the Holy Spirit of God to a brand new person. Finally, the challenge is before us. Christ’s atonement is sufficient for all sins. Repentance toward God and faith in Christ transforms the sinner in a radical way. Whosoever will may come and find new life in Christ and experience the transformation of the new birth that only Christ can give.

  • Yeah I have been doing that. I look to Jesus and I know He accepts and loves..it’s just that all His “disciples” (self righteous christians) are trying to be His spokespersons and make us feel hated and unwelcome.

    • GaryB

      The reason Christians reject lgbtq is because God does.

      • Rusty Writer

        God created some of over 1,500 species homosexual, but only created 1 species with homophobes and He provided a simple cure – education. Get some, Gary B for Bigot hate-monger.

    • AustinRocks

      The New Testament makes it clear that homosexuality will keep you out of heaven.
      You want a Christianity without the New Testament, and there is no such thing. You’ve created your own religion but falsely claim to be Christian.

    • Wayne Cook

      Moses, you must look to Jesus, not other Christians for your example and guide. “It’s just that all His ‘disciples’ ” is one tool of the devil to distract you from following the Lord. Praying for you…I went through the same as a teenager. People are ALWAYS going to disappoint. There is no spokesman but Jesus and his work is clear.

  • azsxdcf1

    Thank you, Doctor Brown. Thank You. Jesus for Dr Brown. The Love you expressed in that article is tangible. The Gospel (GOOD NEWS) of Jesus is all the world needs today, or any day.

  • Rusty Writer

    Anyone who can’t grieve for dead people and can only spew hate and judgment is sick. Homosexuality is perfectly natural, bigotry is not.

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