By Michael Brown Published on August 13, 2017

The alt-right. White supremacists. Nationalists. Trump supporters. Racists. Evangelical Christians. Is this a list of unrelated, widely disparate groups that overlap only on the fringes? Or does this describe the inter-connected spokes of the same wheel, different in emphasis but not in kind? The tragedy in Charlottesville, which has heightened tensions and exacerbated divisions in our country, calls for clarity and charity.

A Vote for Trump is a Not a Vote for White Nationalism

If you listen to some secular media, you’d get the impression that Donald Trump is responsible for Charlottesville and that those who voted for him are culpable as well. You’d also get the impression that unless you denounce Trump, you’re guilty of racism and are likely a white supremacist. And since many evangelical leaders support Trump, you’d be led to believe that they are part of the alt-right, all of them racists and hyper-nationalists.

Because I was out speaking Saturday afternoon and evening, I did not post anything on social media about Charlottesville until late that night. By that time, my Twitter feed was lit up with calls for me renounce racism and distance myself from Trump. Out of the blue, I was judged to be complicit in a racist cause because I did not denounce a white supremacist rally quickly enough. And because I had voted for Trump, I was now an accomplice in racism and, by default, a member of the alt-right.

Many of you reading this have had the same experience, as if there was an explicit connection between Charlottesville and Trump voters, between racism and evangelical Christians. But is there a connection?

When I finally got around to posting on Facebook Saturday night, I wrote: “There is nothing American about White Supremacism — nothing heroic, nothing praiseworthy, nothing patriotic. It is a rotten, ugly mindset full of hatred, bigotry, and pride, and every person of conscience should denounce it. It degrades others who are also created in the image of God and takes His name in vain to further its cause. Whatever our political or racial or ethnic background, as Americans, we need to stand together against it.”

All this seems self-evident. Every friend and co-worker I have would agree with this. What is there to argue with?

Most strongly supported what was shared. But not all. Some complained that I had never renounced Black Lives Matter extremism (which, of course, I had). Others claimed that anyone who voted for Trump was complicit in the Charlottesville riot.

In response to some of these comments, I wrote: “The bottom line is simple: I don’t care what color your skin is and what your ethnic background is. When Neo Nazis rally, you condemn it. When the KKK rallies, you condemn it. When Black Supremacists rally, you condemn it. And when a man plows his car into a crowd, killing one person and injuring 19, you condemn it. If you can’t do that, you shouldn’t be on this page. I trust we share the same heart here.”

The reality is that there are dangerous extremes on the right and on the left, and there is racism on the right and on the left. All of this is wrong and contemptible. But these are extremes. Let’s not forget that.

The reality is that there are dangerous extremes on the right and on the left, and there is racism on the right and on the left. All of this is wrong and contemptible. But these are extremes. Let’s not forget that.

Let’s Make Distinctions

What about connecting all the dots on the right and drawing a coherent circle with Trump in the center? I believe that would be inaccurate for the following reasons:

1) Although there were certainly divisive aspects to Trump’s campaign there’s little evidence that he’s a racist. And from the reports I hear from people close to him, he has a genuine burden to help the inner-cities, which are largely minority.

2) Let’s assume that many white nationalists voted for Trump. Still, they make up a tiny part of his overall base. They don’t reflect the sentiments of the vast majority of his voters.

3) It’s a non sequitur to argue that, because the KKK supported Trump, others who voted for Trump support the KKK. I’m sure the New Black Panthers overwhelmingly voted for Barack Obama (and Hillary Clinton). That doesn’t mean that a white California Jew who voted for Obama and Hillary supports the New Black Panthers. Let’s be realistic.

4) The vast majority of evangelical Christians denounce racism and have no connection with the alt-right or with white supremacists. The fact that some white racists use Christianity as a cloak tells us one thing only: they are hypocrites.

5) Identity politics can be just as dangerous as outright racism. Both are divisive, both demean the value of others, and both make judgments based on skin color or ethnicity.

6) We should distance ourselves from the extremism of groups like Black Lives Matter and Antifa just as we distance ourselves from the extremism of white nationalism, exposing the hateful rhetoric, rejecting the violent acts, and saying with one loud voice, “As Americans, this is not who we are.”

Peacemakers or Troublemakers?

Right now, across the country, there is massive distrust, polarization, misunderstanding, and misrepresentation. And rather than bringing us together, much of the media is fanning the flames of division and fear. They’re often grossly hypocritical: they find fault with one extreme and downplay the other.

At volatile times like this when our blind spots only become bigger, we must decide to be part of the solution and not the problem. That means listening before speaking, understanding before opining, and caring before criticizing.

Will we be peace-makers or troublemakers, ones who build bridges or blow up bridges, those who reach out or those who push away?

Whether we like it or not, with our deep differences and strong convictions, we are one nation under God, and united we stand, divided we fall. Which will it be?

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  • Jim Walker

    The left believes that if white supremacists voted for Trump, Trump is a fascist, racist.
    By this logic, if a gay expresses his love for me, am I gay ?

    • Kevin Carr

      Lazy logic would say yes. President Trump cannot help who voted for him.

      • Mensa Member

        >> President Trump cannot help who voted for him.

        He actively solicited the white supremacist vote, starting with his championing the Birther movement and then about a zillion ways after that.

        • Hmmm…

          No he didn’t. Mindless slur, personal prejudice.

          • Mensa Member

            Trump established his campaign with the Birther movement. He announced his presidency by denouncing Mexicans. This is just a fact.

            Dude. I welcome your disagreement but, please, use some facts.

          • Hmmm…

            You have the burden of proof to back your allegations. Until you have done so, my response stands.

          • Patmos

            Mensa Member is easily the dumbest person I have come across on the internet, and considering what I have come across that is quite an accomplishment.

          • Hmmm…

            In the dark, like we all were before we received the light of life … 🙂

          • stan schmunk

            Believe me he’s a lot brighter than you.

          • stan schmunk

            What Mensa said is the truth. Why are you denying it?

        • Paul

          only in a liberals mind is it racist to examine someones legal qualifications to a public office. Maybe it is your affirmitive action state of mind that condemns such examination as being somehow unfair because of skin shade.

        • Dean Bruckner

          How much are you paid to comment here? What is your real name? What other identities do you have online?

          You accuse and undermine the truth of God’s word here, writing, “Did God really say…?” Your slander of God’s Word–inerrant and supremely authoritative in EVERY statement in the original autographs–seems meant to peel away weak souls from their search for truth. Your desire to be blocked by those who disagree merely serves your purpose by reducing the amount of truth spoken in response to your twisting of scripture.

          The LORD rebuke you!

          • stan schmunk

            Congratulations! You’re the most proud pharisee I’ve ever encountered. You know nothing of Christ.

          • Dean Bruckner

            Nonsense. Who said I was any better than you? I’m not. I have brokenness of many kinds in my rear view mirror.

            What you seem to have missed in your deep education is that the proper response to a false teaching spurred by the demonic is to give a rebuke in the name of the LORD.

            Here is what Jude, a disciple of Jesus and probably his own brother, wrote in the scriptures:

            Beloved, although I was very eager to write to you about our common salvation, I found it necessary to write appealing to you to contend for the faith that was once for all delivered to the saints. For certain people have crept in unnoticed who long ago were designated for this condemnation, ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into sensuality and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.

            Now I want to remind you, although you once fully knew it, that Jesus, who saved a people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe. And the angels who did not stay within their own position of authority, but left their proper dwelling, he has kept in eternal chains under gloomy darkness until the judgment of the great day— just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire.

            Yet in like manner these people also, relying on their dreams, defile the flesh, reject authority, and blaspheme the glorious ones. But when the archangel Michael, contending with the devil, was disputing about the body of Moses, he did not presume to pronounce a blasphemous judgment, but said, “The Lord rebuke you.” But these people blaspheme all that they do not understand, and they are destroyed by all that they, like unreasoning animals, understand instinctively. Woe to them! For they walked in the way of Cain and abandoned themselves for the sake of gain to Balaam’s error and perished in Korah’s rebellion. These are hidden reefs at your love feasts, as they feast with you without fear, shepherds feeding themselves; waterless clouds, swept along by winds; fruitless trees in late autumn, twice dead, uprooted; wild waves of the sea, casting up the foam of their own shame; wandering stars, for whom the gloom of utter darkness has been reserved forever. – Jude 3 – 13

            Is Jude a proud pharisee? I don’t think so. What I think is that the truth hurts. It ought to.

            But thankfully, for both you and me, where there is bad news, there is good news. Without Christ, I am nothing. Without Christ, I was nothing. Only with Christ will I be anything. I deserve nothing but eternal punishment, and so do you.

            Listen to what the Apostle Paul wrote to the messed up church in Corinth, probably a lot like San Francisco is in our day:

            Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. Pauls’ first letter to the Corinthians,
            chapter 6, verses 9-11 (ESV)

            God is highly ticked off at sin, at yours and mine. Ticked off enough to throw every single sinner in hell forever and be done with it. That is what WE deserve! But the great news is that Jesus lived a perfect life but took our punishment–all of it–so that God’s righteous anger would be satisfied. He forgives our sins and gives us his perfect record so that we can be restored to a relationship with God.

            “For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord!” – Paul’s letter to the church at Rome, chapter 6, verse 23.

          • stan schmunk

            I’ve known the Lord since 1949 so what is Mensa saying that annoys you so much?

    • Mensa Member

      > The left believes that if white supremacists voted for Trump, Trump is a fascist

      I wish you guys would stop telling us what we believe. You almost always get it wrong.

      We don’t believe what you say we believe.

      Here is what most of us on the left believe:

      We believe that Trump actively courted the “alt-right” to be a part of his base. He did that right out of the gate by calling Mexican-Americans drug dealers, criminals and racists. This was after years of building his base among birthers. When asked to denounce support by the KKK he refused to do so. And calling Elisabeth Warren “Pocahonas.” And encouraging the beating of a black man at his rally. And on and on.

      This send a signal, loud and clear, to the white supremacists. And now they feel emboldened.

      • Jim Walker

        You can’t read or even listen well.
        What Trump say was when Mexicans come in ILLEGALLY, they are not the best, they are drug mules, they rape, they kill, they destroy, yes some are good people. Will you be treated any better in Mexico if you enter it illegally ? Are there any sanctuary cities in Mexico for you to live comfortably ?

        When ask to denounce KKK, he said this word many times “I DISAVOW”, do you even understand the mean of this word or did you missed this news video clip because you watch CNN fake news too much ?

        Elizabeth claims she has Indian-ancestry. Calling her Pocahontas is a great honor. Do you not respect Pocahontas ?

        So do you believe now ? You can go check all these out and more.
        I was a Hillary supporter, FYI.

        • Mensa Member

          I can’t listen well?

          Here is the quote.

          “When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re
          not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that
          have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us.
          They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And
          some, I assume, are good people.”

          No use of the world “ILLEGALLY”, as you think you heard! He lumps all Mexicans together – both those who come legally and illegally.

          • Jim Walker

            “When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best.”.
            He is not referring to US Mexicans or those coming in through the proper immigration channels. This is clearly pointing to Illegals. I listen to it and I clearly know what he is talking about, at that time even when I was a Hillary supporter.

            What about the KKK and Pocahontas ? Do you have a rebuttal for that or you need more time to check those news clips to confirm ?

          • Hmmm…

            He’s tired; it’s a strenuous task attempting to be an apologist for spurious and meritless spoofology.

          • localhistorywriter

            Why is it that whenever Trump opens his mouth it takes at least five other people to tell us “what he REALLY meant was ….”?

          • Jim Walker

            Errr…. because most people like to talk (empty vessels) more than they listen.

          • commonsensebeliever

            Taking words out of context is a left wing specialty…..smh.

      • stan schmunk

        Don’t forget Steve Bannon, Mr. Alt.Right himself and a self-proclaimed Leninist.

  • Nelson Banuchi

    “1) Although there were certainly divisive aspects to Trump’s campaign there’s little evidence that he’s a racist. And from the reports I hear from people close to him, he has a genuine burden to help the inner-cities, which are largely minority.”

    It seems to me that if there is little evidence of Trump being racist, by the same token, there is little evidence he has a “genuine burden” for inner cities. Trump has the problem of not explicitly condemning the white supremacists, especially when David Duke explicitly vocalized his association with Trump’s agenda and goals. There’s one dot that seems to connect and Trump is not denouncing it. And there’s Bannon. Two dots that connect.

    What bothers me is the justifications and excuses being laid out for Trump’s behavior (e.g. his lying, his condemnation of U.S. government and praises for Putin). I’m not against others supporting him, I am against the refusal to call a spade a spade.

    That said and although I do not know who threw the “first punch” in Charlottesville, Va. (does it even matter?), I can agree that some in both the left and the right may be instigating fear and hatred (perhaps one group more than the other?) by demonizing each other, rather than having a mature conversation; and it seems those few in each of the groups are unwilling to try to understand the other or correct their own attitudes towards the other.

    Such openness for and penchant towards hate and violence coupled with self-wills refusing to understand others and correct themselves as well as others, including Trump, is what ultimately led to Heather Heyer’s murder. Although one person is directly responsible and guilty of having committed the murder, we all bear, to one degree or another, the guilt of her death. Until we are all willing to take responsibility for the hate and violence that leads to another’s useless death — like Daniel: “WE have sinned against thee” — we will continue on this road to carnage that leads to divine national judgment.

    • Mensa Member

      Excellent response to Dr. Brown. Thank you.

      I would add:

      I think Dr. Brown reveals his misunderstanding of racism when he says, “Although there were certainly divisive aspects to Trump’s campaign there’s little evidence that he’s a racist.

      Even if (big “if”) Trump is not personally bigotted against blacks, he used anti-minority sentiment to built his voting bloc. This makes him a racist. Racism is a system, not a personal opinion.

      I personally think these are the worst kind of racists. They know better but they use racism to get-ahead anyway.

      • Hmmm…

        Wrong again.

        • Mensa Member

          Thanks for well-reasoned, fact-filled response.

          • Hmmm…

            Bigoted, prejudiced hate speech is not dispelled with reason. Clearly, you have your mind made up and don’t want to be confused with the facts.

          • Dean Bruckner

            Hell will be full of self-declared reasonous facters, who refused to humble themselves, put childlike trust in God and obey him. Don’t be among them!

          • localhistorywriter

            If you consider it a virtue to have the reasoning power of a five year old, then your religious beliefs are understandable.

          • Dean Bruckner

            Ad hominem fallacy. You lose.

          • stan schmunk

            Slavery and segregation were both southern conservative Christian institutions backed falsely by Scripture. Blacks had prayed for decades that God would free them from slavery as He had the Israelites under Moses. They said that they would fight for their freedom if the opportunity came up and they did. The South said that African slavery was God’s economic plan for the world and that God would help them win the war.How did God answer those prayers?

      • Concerned Christian

        agreed!

      • Patmos

        “Even if (big “if”) Trump is not personally bigotted against blacks, he
        used anti-minority sentiment to built his voting bloc. This makes him a
        racist. Racism is a system, not a personal opinion.”

        You’re like the poster child for the brain dead left, of which logic has been abandoned. Where in the world do you come up with this stuff??? It ain’t from reality I can tell you that.

      • Paul

        “Even if (big “if”) Trump is not personally bigotted against blacks, he used anti-minority sentiment to built his voting bloc. This makes him a racist. Racism is a system, not a personal opinion.

        I personally think these are the worst kind of racists. They know better but they use racism to get-ahead anyway.”

        Are you blind to the fact that the Ds have built their voting block on demonizing white male conservative Christians? You know us deplorables? Where is your outrage over them being the worst kind of racists? Oh I forgot, you drink the Koolaid too.

      • Andrew Mason

        Anti-minority, or anti-inequality? When groups are granted special privileges and protections other groups get unhappy about it.

        • localhistorywriter

          Since when has being free of racial and ethnic prejudice been a “special right”?

          • Andrew Mason

            So Illegal immigration is about being free of racial and ethnic prejudice? University or employment quotas which give preferential treatment to less qualified candidates is about being free of racial and ethnic prejudice? So creating a hierarchy of whom may give offense to whom is about being free of racial and ethnic prejudice? I have no problem with equality, what I object to is inequality being sold as equality.

      • Dean Bruckner

        “The line between good and evil runs right down the middle of every human heart.” – Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn

        Your bait and switch “systemic racism” is Marxism, pure and undiluted, and is therefore a false anthropology, an idolatry and a self-refuting hot mess.

        It is self refuting because if racism is systemic, it is a moral, and you have no right to assign any moral turpitude to any human individual for being racist, since they cannot help it.

        It is an idolatry because it substitutes faith an obedience to an all-powerful State instead of the living God, and perverts the God given function of government as a punisher of capital crimes with the death penalty into a blasphemous utopian project to “perfect” man in his own image.

        It is part of the Marxist Big Lie, and spawns millions of little lies, until the entire project degenerates into a totalitarian prison state in which all are required to affirm the Big Lie, on pain of poverty, prison and eventually death.

        You have taken the side of the home wreckers, the state wreckers, the church wreckers and the life wreckers. Make no mistake: God will judge all adulterers and all the sexually immoral. By committing spiritual adultery and encouraging others to do so, your punishment is likely to be severe, as was that of the false prophets in the Old and New Testaments. By counseling others to commit sexual immorality, your punishment is likely to be greater than theirs.

        Scripture (James) says, “Do not let many of you become teachers, because we who teach will incur a stricter judgment.” You are teaching right here, and teaching falsehood in plain contradiction to God’s inerrant word. Have you considered the fearsome spiritual consequences of what you are doing?

        Please, repent! None of the commenters or writers here is any better than you, but we were rebels who laid down our arms and approached God in humility, faith and obedience. And God had to give us that too. But your continuing, willful and foolish rebellion against God can only end in utter judgment. I urge you to repent!

        • localhistorywriter

          “God will judge all adulterers and all the sexually immoral.”

          I guess God was out to lunch when our Fuhrer was dumping wives One and Two.

          • Dean Bruckner

            Those are not my words, but scripture itself:

            “Let marriage be held in honor among all, and let the marriage bed be undefiled, for God will judge the sexually immoral and adulterous.”
            ‭‭Hebrews‬ ‭13:4‬ ‭ESV‬‬

            This doesn’t look good for you. Not recognizing a prominent Bible verse isn’t good, but knowing it’s from the Bible and mocking it is worse. How pure has your sexual conduct been throughout your life?

          • stan schmunk

            So Trump won’t be judged by God for his adultery and sexual immorality and might I add, worship of Mammon?

          • Dean Bruckner

            Of course he will. And so will I. And so will you.

            The only antidote to eternal punishment in hell for our sins–well deserved and just punishment, according to God, the only one whose judgment counts–is to fall on the mercy of the divine court and claim the payment Jesus made in your behalf, and in mine, and everyone’s behalf. He suffered the punishment in our place. He paid for our sinful charge sheet before God, and his perfect life is credited to our account. But only if we humble ourselves, agree with God that we are sinners and are without hope, and ask him to forgive our sins and save us.

            “For God loved the world so much that he gave his one and only Son, so that whoever believes in him might not perish, but have eternal life.” – John’s gospel, chapter 3, verse 16

          • stan schmunk

            I’ve known the Lord since 1949…just not sure why you launched such a vicious attack on Mensa Member…I find his comments to be mostly correct.

          • Dean Bruckner

            It is not vicious; it is true. MM is presenting a different gospel, one of Progressive Marxism. He denies the reality of sin in every human heart, and instead ascribes it to external conditions, to the structure of society. This is a damnable heresy, and led to the murders of a hundred million people in the last century. If there is anything that deserves a rebuke, it is this false gospel.
            Remember what Paul said in Galatians 1:6-10 about those who present a different gospel?

            I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting him who called you in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— not that there is another one, but there are some who trouble you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel contrary to the one we preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before, so now I say again: If anyone is preaching to you a gospel contrary to the one you received, let him be accursed. For am I now seeking the approval of man, or of God? Or am I trying to please man? If I were still trying to please man, I would not be a servant of Christ.

            Is Paul “vicious” here? The word “accursed” in the original Greek is anathema and refers to eternal destruction in hell. This is serious stuff, deadly serious. The New Testament, including the gospels, are full of warnings and rebukes for those who substitute their own ideas for the true gospel, and lead others astray. We ought to be quaking in our boots if we ever do that.

        • commonsensebeliever

          He needs to repent indeed. MM speaks as a Muslim, so be not too surprised at his totally distorted world view and disrespect for anything American or moral.

      • Nelson Banuchi

        Thanks. Just let me say, I would always be careful of whom I am calling racist. Of course, I do not at all consider Dr. Brown as racist.

  • Hmmm…

    Imho, the wildfire directed at President Trump, based slimly on one to three comments in an area, has spread because he won’t do what it takes to shut it down. It is not easy to say you overstated and are given to hyperbole, but others’ valiant attempts to explain those things away will never take the place of him owning up to it himself. He has the power to shut down the noise so strong out there, the smear. It would be difficult for anyone, the more pride you have the harder. But sometimes there’s just one way to get free, and that’s to admit your fault and humbly reveal your heart.
    Bottom line: He could stop this character assassination by asserting his heart on these matters, which would greatly benefit everyone. Only he can take care of this. Spoken with a true heart with the simple authority that goes with a personal assertion, his enemies could no longer accredit him with the slurs running so rampant these days. Miracles can happen …

    • Mensa Member

      Trump ran on claiming that he would say things clearly. He even said that a person is not fit for office if they won’t clearly name terrorists.

      So, his mealy-mouthed, vaguely-worded “denunciation” of a white supremacist murderous attack really stinks.

      • Hmmm…

        That’s hate speech MM. You cannot see a heart.

        • Hmmm…

          Trump ran on winning back our country from the globalist, politically correct, dumbed down, compromised, taxing and spending extorters who worked around the clock to run it into the ground, who actually had an agenda to gain control by single payer health care and then single party. That’s where the heavy immigration came in, and why they rushed citizenship thru and then registered their new voters. Documented fact.

          That clarion call rang out to everyone with ears to hear, especially to those being left out of the food chain, yet bearing the brunt of the load of shame and blame. That’s a core part of what everyone who loves their country sighed their great relief over, and find so essential and appreciate the solid progress to undo so much of the evil work that has been perpetrated on their country. The fact that Mr. Trump obviously has flaws pales in comparison, including comparison to the killer flaws of Hillary Clinton and company.

      • Andrew Mason

        And Bernie has said that Christians shouldn’t hold public office, but has he ever condemned the BLM or Antifa or any of the other violent fascist groups?

        • Concerned Christian

          that’s not what he said but do you believe that muslims or LGBTQ members should hold office?

          • Andrew Mason

            Actually that is exactly what Sanders argued. Anyone who holds Christian beliefs is someone who should not hold office. Feel free to look up Vought’s nomination if you want to confirm for yourself. As for Muslims or LGBTQ, I can’t say I’ve thought about their eligibility. Whether they are suitable is another matter. Obviously anyone who espouses values I disagree with isn’t someone I’ll be promoting but a difference in values is not the same thing as applying a religious test as Sanders did.

        • Concerned Christian

          that’s not what he said. Here’s what he said:

          “Do you think that people who are not Christians are condemned?”

          Since Bernie is a Jew, i think that’s a pertinent question for him.

          How do you get he’s saying that Christians shouldn’t hold office from that?

          • Andrew Mason

            Sanders is asking about basic Christian teachings – that all are condemned, unless saved. Vought’s response was “I believe that all individuals are made in the image of God and are worthy of dignity and respect, regardless of their religious beliefs. I believe that as a Christian that’s how I should treat all individuals …” but before he could finish his response Sanders cut him off saying “… this nominee (and those who share his Christian beliefs) is really not someone who is what this country is supposed to be about.”

    • Concerned Christian

      could not agree more.

    • localhistorywriter

      He has “the power to shut down the noise so strong out there, the smear”? What power is that? Maybe you’d like him to try establishing press censorship, to make the USA into the kind of banana republic that conservatives would feel more comfortable in.

      • Hmmm…

        Your cherry picking is very dishonest. The context is Mr. Trump owning up to his overstatements, careless words, admit the fault. The power would come in expressing his heart clearly – truth, thus refuting the false charges. The taking up of stray words and accusing is a propaganda technique used by the evil doers you claim to disavow. He has no deeds sufficient for the smears against him as a racist and the other things. You twist my words to say what they do not. It is the practice of the Communists, Fascists and Nazis to accuse and assign false valuations to those with whom they disagree. The world you create with this is far inferior to anyone’s banana republic. Freedom loving people know their republic, their democracy must be guided by truth speaking and the rule of law. God’s word says all liars have their place in the lake of fire.

      • commonsensebeliever

        OH, NO, NO, NO! It has always clearly been the Democrats that have taxed, regulated and tries to censor us to death and continue to take revenues away from Social Security and government help for the disabled and aged. Now, I am not a republican, but a registered Libertarian, because the Republican Party has been a disgrace. But conservatives, constitutionalists, independents, libertarians do indeed want small , hands off government, way lower taxes(they have been mishandled so badly for so long), privacy rights protected and NO CENSORSHIP! Censorship is like thought police…communism!

  • Concerned Christian

    Per David Duke:

    “I would recommend you take a good look in the mirror & remember it was White Americans who put you in the presidency, not radical leftists”

    –and–

    “Neo-Nazi Site Daily Stormer Praises Trump’s Charlottesville Reaction: ‘He Loves Us All’
    “When asked to condemn, he just walked out of the room. Really, really good. God bless him,” wrote the website’s founder.”

    Please show me the quotes, when BLM, Antifa, Black Panthers, or the nation of Islam has praised/endorsed Obama?

    Tell me a time when Trump has denounced racist?

    Trump is a racist.
    Conservative Christians can’t defend him.
    In doing so, you dig a whole deeper and deeper that you will have a generation getting out of.

    Trump has shown that the only people he cares about are racist and Russians. Dr. Brown rest your hands. You will be doing a lot more typing trying to defend Trump!

    • Jim Walker

      “Tell me a time when Trump has denounced racist?”
      Go find the videos where Trump respond to KKK : I DISAVOW, I DISAVOW, I DISAVOW. CNN probably didn’t report this.

      • Concerned Christian

        Yeah, that’s exactly the type of denunciation that makes everyone feels that this guy is not a racist! 🙂

        • Jim Walker

          Wow you really need Trump to pay to denounce KKK in the front page of all major newspaper to believe. I say you are a fake christian. Prove to me you are not.

          • Concerned Christian

            i don’t try to prove anything to anyone. you can’t do it without comprising yourself. I present my views and you can make your judgement. I find that it’s easy to be offended the more you try to defend yourself.

            Having said that, look at this incident and look at Mike Pence’s response. I think you would say that he’s a christian.

            Do you really find it that hard to believe that Trump is a racist given his past comments along with his lack of response today?

          • Jim Walker

            He did respond but you don’t seemed to accept. Frankly I don’t take any side, Antifas and White Supremacists are both wrong, same as what Trump responded.

          • Concerned Christian

            it seems that a lot of people don’t accept it including the national review which is very conservative. So either most people have a problem or trump has a very bad image problem. Personally, i think it’s the former.

          • localhistorywriter

            So what you’re saying is that a bunch of Trump-supporting domestic terrorists came to Charlottesville looking for trouble, caused a riot, committed a murder, and that Trump’s denunciation of the people who kicked their butts was OK? Why didn’t he call out the white supremacists, neo-Nazis and KKK by name? You know, the way he was always criticizing Obama about for not calling Islamic crazies by their right name. I guess Trump has a double standard when it comes to offending his supporters.

          • Jim Walker

            There is an article in Stream featuring Trump’s denunciation of these people, go read it.

          • commonsensebeliever

            What past racist comments…..no one has backed up this claim yet?

          • Concerned Christian

            well, claiming that the first black president wasn’t an american may not be racist to some but it is to me. Claiming that a judge couldn’t be fair because he was Mexican. Claiming that Mexicans are drug dealers skirts that line.

            He consistently paints blacks as living in some type of dystopian nightmare. Hint, hint, we don’t! 🙂

        • Patmos

          “Yeah, that’s exactly the type of denunciation that makes everyone feels that this guy is not a racist! :)”

          First you say go find the video, then when it is found you say he lying. Sounds to me like you already have your mind made up. Maybe, I don’t know, try not being so easily propagandized?

        • Kevin Carr

          Feel or know for a fact?

        • commonsensebeliever

          I hear him denounce behaviors or dangerous philosophies all the time…..but not people, unless speaking in general terms, like, people who do these things are hurting America, etc. like other presidents have done thru the years. No politician would seek to alienate an entire group or organization, but instead, will speak about their own principles and priorities that reflect his distaste, you know what I am trying to say? I have never heard any politician say, “I hate or disavow the KKK” or any other hate group….

    • ncsugrant

      What a ridiculous post. You are a tool of the very people you despise. I am sure the hate mongers you have quoted are pleased that you are spreading their message.
      Do you think maybe, just maybe these clowns are trying to leverage their influence by claiming support where none exists?
      It works every time with a willing media (and people like yourself?).
      In the not so distant past, reasonable people ignored the radicals trying to goad people into violent conflict. If the KKK were to muster enough idiots for a march, they would be outnumbered 3-1 by the media, and nobody else would show up.

      • Concerned Christian

        Well I don’t despise the KKK. I’m really indifferent to them. I actually feel sorry for them. I grew up in an era where they had real power. Neither of my parents graduated from High School but they made sure that i went to college as did my wife. We then became the first in our family to send our kids to college where both parents had degrees. So i can see the progress that I’ve made and see that they’re still stuck in the past.

        Trump may not be a racist, I think he is. But he’s at a minimum encouraging these guys to live in a world that i can safely say no black person will allow to happen again!

        • How in the world can you condemn Trump for faux racism while saying you don’t despise the KKK?? Come on, there’s NOTHING good about the KKK!

          • Kevin Carr

            Obama got the support of terrorist Bill Ayers, he didn’t disavow him. Did you expect him to or not a big deal? Meant for CC

          • Concerned Christian

            So Bill Ayers versus the KKK. Yep, i’d call that even.

          • That doesn’t even make sense. It’s not a score keeping exercise. Obama called Bill Ayers his friend. Trump has disavowed the KKK for decades.

          • Concerned Christian

            After Obama was elected president did Ayers or any group associated with him praise Obama?

            We know that the KKK continues to do so with Trump. Also, the black CEO of Merck stepped down from Trump’s manufacturing council because of Trump’s response. But, yes, he’s a left wing ignorant individual so that doesn’t really matter.

          • Yes, Ayers did. So did the racist faux pastor whose church he attended.

            The KKK praised Hillary and the Dems. They gave money to the Dems. The Dems took it. Spin it any way that you like, but the fact remains that the KKK is an outlet of the Democratic Party, as is segregation and and other bigoted practices. It’s the party of racists.

          • Concerned Christian

            So the KKK supports the party that supports policies directed towards blacks, women, jews, muslims, immigrants and gays.

            They really are stupid! 🙂

            I’m pretty sure that i can find more KKK sites endorsing Trump than i’ll find endorsing democrats. Want to play that game?

          • commonsensebeliever

            Yes…. The “policies for minorities” have been to keep then under government dependency and control, impoverished, slowly killing them off (there are many more abortion clinics in minority areas), just as Planned Parenthood’s leader spoke about (Hitler held to the same philosophies). Look up Margaret Sanger and eugenics…especially her famous speech about minorities being human weeds that must be annihilated. As a side thought: Abortion on demand was one of the things JFK would not condone making him at odds with the Democratic Party, as he was a Catholic.

          • Concerned Christian

            Well hate to tell you that the life expectancy for whites is dropping while those for blacks and Latinos is increasing.

            Also, i know it feels good for you to believe that the majority of blacks live in poverty. Even better to argue that it’s because of gov’t policy. Neither of those statements are true.

            Finally, whites should hate Margaret Sanger. The birth rate is not dropping for non-whites in the US and Europe but it is for whites!

          • commonsensebeliever

            Absolutely…has been 100+ years…..

        • Kevin Carr

          Obama got support from terrorist Bill Ayers, did he have to and did he disavow him?

        • ncsugrant

          Congratulations on your education. However, many fail to realize the limitations of the academy. The “leaders” are often without wisdom. As for the recent spate of violent protests on campuses across the country, many (most?) of these events have been staged by people on the payroll of major universities. It is a knee-jerk reaction for most of us to condemn the KKK element, and give a pass to the anarchists, BLM, and the various radical left-wing groups.

          • Myth Buster

            Wow! Considering that crazy comment you must have also believed “Obama was born in Kenya” and he was a “Secret Muslim” too. Congratulations on your education.

          • ncsugrant

            Are you replying to me?
            If so, a coherent reference to something I posted would be much appreciated.

          • Concerned Christian

            well, none of those groups have been had the history of misery caused by the KKK.

    • Patmos

      “Trump has shown that the only people he cares about are racist and Russians.”

      ???

      This is so out of left field that it leads me to the conclusion that you are full of crap. Try reading something other than the fodder the mainstream media feeds you.

      • Concerned Christian

        who else does he refuse to condemn? if you’re non-white, you certainly feel it. if you’re Mitch McConnell you feel it. he has pretty much thrown everyone under the bus except Christians (who haven’t done anything to deserve it) and racist, (read the national review, I’m not in left field), and Russia, too many business ties! 🙂

        by the way, i watch foxnews, read the weekly standard, and the national review.

        • commonsensebeliever

          He has consistently condemned the violent BEHAVIORS of many groups. Remember, we all are free to believe(think) what we want, only until it interferes with someone else’s freedoms/rights does it become an unlawful act.

          • Concerned Christian

            well with conservatives it’s clear that:

            1. I may have a problem
            2. We may have a problem.
            3. However, conservatives never have problems.

    • You must have missed the Black Panther voter intimidation case.

      • Concerned Christian

        No, i remember Fox News’s obsession with it.

        • Then why did you pretend there was no such case? Why lie?

          • localhistorywriter

            Because the “case” existed only in the minds of bigots and demented right-wing moonbats.

          • Concerned Christian

            Sorry, if i gave that impression. i didn’t realize that a case had been filed. i just remember fox new’s obsession with it. I have a hard time equating two individuals associated with that, the definition of fringe, with the behavior and reach of white supremacist.

            The KKK is more real to me. Regardless of the reason, i see unarmed blacks being legally killed by the police. I know you won’t agree with that assessment but for me it’s real.

            Funny but I don’t think cops are racist but i do believe that their fear induced by groups like the KKK makes them more likely to fear me and thus shoot me when they feel threatened.

            A black man in Dallas shot cops. a white man in SC calmly went into a church, sat through the service and killed nine unarmed people. This may not be real to you and you can dismiss my concerns but it is very real to me.

          • First of all, you don’t know what my ethnicity is, nor do you know what my views are on cop killings, etc. The KKK is horrible. No one here is endorsing the KKK. In fact, you are the poster who gave the most positive spin towards the KKK, which shocked me. There is nothing positive about the KKK.

            As far as the SC shooting goes, that murderer deserves the death penalty. These concerns are real to me. These concerns are also even more real to Jewish people visiting synagogue, where guards and security were in use long before mega churches and other organizations started to hire them. The group under biggest threat is, and always has been, the Jewish population.

          • Concerned Christian

            Jews in this country?

          • Yes, Jews in North America.

          • Concerned Christian

            well i won’t argue who’s more under threat. But suffices to say that where as synagogues and even some churches have been attacked.

            9 blacks were killed in a church
            An Indian man killed in Kansas
            2 men killed in Portland
            woman killed in VA

            it’s clear that white nationalist feel empowered because of Trump. Trump read a statement today that began with him praising himself for the economy. Then oh yeah, the KKK is bad.

            Comparing two members of the black panthers or any other leftist group to what white nationalist are doing is ridiculous.

          • Law enforcement statistics prove Jews are under attack far more than African Americans or any other group.

            Regarding David Duke, he endorsed Keith Ellison, a very well known antisemite.

          • Concerned Christian

            again, i won’t debate who’s under attack the most. if we both show up at a white nationalist rally, i don’t think our treatment will be radically different.

            in terms of Duke and Eliison, here’s his defense:

            “American Federation of Teachers president Randi Weingarten—a firm supporter of Israel who supported Hillary Clinton for the Democratic presidential nomination when Ellison was backing Bernie Sanders—defended the congressman, emphatically: “Keith Ellison is no anti-Semite and it is maddening when anyone who doesn’t know him or his record makes that ugly accusation. Keith is an agent of change—a fierce fighter for working folk and someone who understands that one has to both fight against bigotry and hate.”

            J Street, the “pro-Israel, pro-peace” group that has earned wide regard for its advocacy on behalf of diplomacy in the Middle East, joined the defense of Ellison.”

            I don’t believe Ellison is anti-Semitic but his past behavior hunts him which he has apologized for.

            David Duke supported Ellison because of his perceived hatred of Israel.

            Duke has no doubt that Trump stands with him on the issue of Race. Duke is upset with Trump in that he feels that Trump is wimping out. Not that he doesn’t agree with him!

          • You are justifying antisemitism and bigotry. Why is that?

          • Concerned Christian

            on who’s part?

          • That’s an even stranger post than the one you made defending the KKK.

          • Concerned Christian

            sorry, i didn’t understand your response.

      • localhistorywriter

        Case? As I recall, some southern conservatives saw a couple of black men at a polling place, imagined there was a revolution at hand, and wet their pants. There was no “case.”

        • That’s false. Your racism and bigotry towards southerners and conservatives are duly noted though.

          • localhistorywriter

            Paranoid much?

    • Paul

      Do a little homework instead of being a dem and MSM parrot

      Trump on David Duke

      thegatewaypundit (dot) com/2017/08/flashback-trump-condemns-david-duke-calling-bigot-racist-problem-video/

  • ncsugrant

    The truth here is that you had TWO groups of extremists looking for trouble, and they found it.

    • There were actually more than 2 groups present. They were communists, fascists, Antifa, some decent people who thought they were supporting the historicity of the Lee statue, and some people masquerading as Trump supporters. It’s complicated, very, very sick, and orchestrated.

      • Patmos

        “…and orchestrated.”

        It’s important to keep this stuff in perspective. These are relatively small crowds and relatively minor events, though the media and those who would benefit are trying to make them out to be more than they are. They will eventually grow tired of their failures however, and move on to trying to ignite war on the world’s stage, which has been the plan all along.

        • It looks like paid protesters were there. That puts this on a larger scale than relatively small crowds and minor events.

          • Patmos

            I just meant in terms of it’s validity and significance. Yes, the scale is larger due to the funding behind this stuff, but no it’s not really taking hold like the financiers have hoped.

            Even with all the violence and incarceration here, people here in this country generally get along, at least relative to the large number of cultures and beliefs that exist here. Truth is that’s probably why it’s not really taking hold, because there are no clear cut sides, or at least there are too many sides.

            They are trying to push the black versus white thing hard, with this country’s history of slavery as the motivation and backdrop, but even that doesn’t have real deep roots at this point. At least not to the extent of igniting chaos on the scale as is intended.

            They will move on to larger things, namely the Middle East, where there is a more established tribalism and more tinder to set aflame.

          • localhistorywriter

            How can you tell who was being paid by whom? Ohhh, sorry: I forgot, you think you’re god.

          • Myth Buster

            You know it’s interesting how the righties love tossing out the “paid protesters” line, but no one ever claims this on their taxes. It’s another mindless right wing conspiracy theory.

          • Myth Buster

            You know it’s interesting how the righties love tossing out the “paid protesters” line, but no one ever claims this on their taxes. It’s another mindless right wing conspiracy theory.

          • Jim Walker

            Well, many Anti-Trump protesters, during the election, came in buses to protest and from the interviews, these protesters have no clue what they stand for, or even protesting. Just mindless chanting.
            In stark contrast with Trump supporters, who speak intelligently and gave straight answers.

          • Myth Buster

            Well, many Trump supporters were also buses to the rallies too. Were they paid? Many Trump supporters in interviews had difficulty explaining Trump’s positions that changed daily during the campaign. They had no clue what they stand for and this is one of the main reasons they don’t have any problems with Trump braking all his campaign pledges.

            “Trump supporters, who speak intelligently and gave straight answers.” Sorry, but he generally attracted uneducated whites and they don’t speak intelligently.

          • Jim Walker

            Show me that video link that Trump supporters were bussed in attend rallies.

          • Myth Buster

            It was extensively talked about in the news. The Koch Brothers (Republicans) allowed their employees to take they day off to go to Tea Party Rallies and bused them in. By extension they were paid to be there.

            You’re also saying there were no organized bus trips to Trump rallies by any right wing organization?????? What???????

            Now show me the video link where Democrats have pay check stubs where they were paid to protest at election events.

          • Jim Walker

            Show me the video link, not words.

          • Myth Buster

            Learn how to do basic research. This stuff isn’t hard to look up.

          • Jim Walker

            I can’t any. That is why I need your help.

      • stan schmunk

        Those who support Confederate statues are NOT decent people. They’re Lost Causers with treasonous hearts.

        • You do know that Lee was anti-slavery and anti-segregation, don’t you?

          • localhistorywriter

            It doesn’t matter what he thought. He WAS a traitor who took up arms against the United States.

          • Of course it matters. Do you think that Antifa, who takes up arms against the United States and who want to topple all US monuments, are heroes?

          • stan schmunk

            They haven’t taken up arms against the U.S. and their numbers are quite small compared to all the Lost Causers and Confederate sympathizers.

          • You don’t think attacking police officers is taking up arms against the US? Do you know how large Antifa is? It’s larger than the 1,000-3,000 estimated white supremacists.

          • Mo

            @ stan schmunk

            “They haven’t taken up arms against the U.S. and their numbers are quite small compared to all the Lost Causers and Confederate sympathizers.”

            Their numbers are irrelevant. When something is morally evil, what does it matter if it’s one person doing it or 1,000 people doing it?

            And of course the domestic terrorist group Antifa have taken up arms against the U.S., in a fashion. They’ve attacked police officers! They care nothing for the rule of law.

            My God, it’s astonishing to see people defending these savages!

          • stan schmunk

            False on both counts. He fought against his country for the purpose of maintaining and extending slavery.

          • That’s not true. See this is how badly you’ve been indoctrinated. You believe revisionism over actual history.

          • stan schmunk

            You’re the revisionist, friend.

          • You misspelled “truth teller”.

          • stan schmunk

            He might have been AFTER the war. But he sent many southern boys to their deaths for the purpose of maintaining and extending slavery….period. Do you think slavery and segregation were evil? Are you a Republican?

          • You’re quite incorrect. The Democrats are still the party of slavery, racism, and segregation.

          • stan schmunk

            Nope. You need to read some American history.

          • Dude, I’m schooling you in American history.

  • The KKK didn’t really support Trump. They gave their regular donation check to the Democrats, the party of the KKK. By the way, David Duke officially endorsed Keith Ellis, well known antisemite from the Democratic Party.

    • Concerned Christian

      Really? do you believe that?

      • washingtontimesDOTcom/news/2016/apr/26/klan-leader-claims-kkk-has-given-20k-clinton-campa/

        • localhistorywriter

          Oh, c’mon. Because Sun Myung Moon’s rag said so?

          • Dean Bruckner

            Genetic fallacy. You lose.

    • Myth Buster

      Sorry, the “Crusader” — the most prominent 12-page quarterly newspapers of the Ku Klux Klan and the one that calls itself “The Political Voice of White Christian America!” that has a well-known white supremacist symbol on its front page, endorsed Trump. Under the banner “Make America Great Again” the entire front page of the paper’s November issue was devoted to a lengthy defense of Trump’s message — an embrace some have labeled a de facto endorsement.

      • Follow the money. Where did that go? To the Dems, as usual.

        • Myth Buster

          Sure it did. Great assertion not backed by facts.

          • Actually, the KKK is on record as giving funds to the Democratic Party. They always do. Don’t forget, the KKK is the invention of the Democratic Party.

          • Myth Buster

            Sure. And the GOP used to also oppose “States Rights”, represent minorities and believe in a strong central government. A lot has changed in the last 100-years. Now let’s get back to modern times.

          • But Senator Byrd wasn’t here 100 years ago. Not that long ago, shortly before his death, he went on national television and used the “n” word. Hillary Clinton called him her mentor. Only last year Hillary Clinton used the “CP time” joke. Why wasn’t anyone on the left offended by that? Why do the Dems still cash checks from the KKK? Why did David Duke endorse Keith Ellison and no one asked Ellison (a known bigot himself) to disavow him?

          • Myth Buster

            You seem to lack an understand of how politics changes over time and current events. Byrd is an old southern Democrat and the left also attacked Hillary on that comment. Even Obama blasted it. Where are you getting your selective information from: Fox News?

          • Byrd only died recently, and Obama hasn’t blasted anyone except if they are Jewish or Christian. I don’t give credence to Fox News and I give even less to CNN and other MSM outlets.

          • Myth Buster

            He was still an old southern Democrat. Politics has changed a great deal in the last few decades. You did notice this, right?

            “… Obama hasn’t blasted anyone except if they are Jewish or Christian.” What? You “don’t give credence to Fox News”. Then what right wing website do you get your information from? It’s now flowing in through osmosis.

          • Hillary called Byrd a mentor just recently. She and Bill honored him last year. She disrespected BLM activists during her campaign by getting a young, respectful girl kicked out of an event. She had her dragged out like she was a common criminal. It was just last year that Hillary made the CP time joke. You don’t find that offensive?

            My comment regarding Obama refers to him refusing to allow Christian refugees into the country, while he flooded it with Muslim men. He gave government funding to a neoNazi antisemitic group. He disrespected Israel.

            I don’t identify with right wing or left wing. I identify with truth. Try it some time. It frees you.

          • Myth Buster

            It seems like someone is playing games with the flagging. I guess they can’t handle reality. Stuff goes into pending and doesn’t come back out. Some website.

          • Myth Buster

            You “don’t identify with right wing or left wing” – you “identify with truth”. Sure you do. You sound it. Sorry, but you’re as hardcore right wing as they come.

          • Myth Buster

            It seems like someone is playing games with the flagging. I guess they can’t handle reality. Stuff goes into pending and doesn’t come back out. Some website.

          • Myth Buster

            You “don’t identify with right wing or left wing” – you “identify with truth”. Sure you do. You sound it. Sorry, but you’re as hardcore right wing as they come.

          • Nice judgmental statement there. Not a smart way to go through life.

          • Myth Buster

            We seem to oddly have a lot of stuff going into the “pending” area. Just my comments to you for some reason. Are you playing a flagging game?

            I sated: “You “don’t identify with right wing or left wing” – you “identify with truth”. Sure you do. You sound it. Sorry, but you’re as hardcore right wing as they come.”

            Yes, but you making wildly disingenuous comments it’s also a mart way to go through life.

          • Myth Buster

            We seem to oddly have a lot of stuff going into the “pending” area. Just my comments to you for some reason. Are you playing a flagging game?

            I sated: “You “don’t identify with right wing or left wing” – you “identify with truth”. Sure you do. You sound it. Sorry, but you’re as hardcore right wing as they come.”

            Yes, but you making wildly disingenuous comments it’s also a mart way to go through life.

          • Myth Buster

            We seem to oddly have a lot of stuff going into the “pending” area. Just my comments to you for some reason.

            I sated: “You “don’t identify with right wing or left wing” – you “identify with truth”. Sure you do. You sound it. Sorry, but you’re as hardcore right wing as they come.”

            Yes, but you making wildly disingenuous comments it’s also a mart way to go through life.

          • Myth Buster

            Here’s another one of my comments to you that magically goes into the “pending” area. I’ll have to post this again:

            I sated: “You “don’t identify with right wing or left wing” – you “identify with truth”. Sure you do. You sound it. Sorry, but you’re as hardcore right wing as they come.”

            Yes, but you making wildly disingenuous comments it’s also a mart way to go through life.

          • Myth Buster

            Looks like there another comment that put in the “pending” box. Funny just comments to you. I guess I’ll just repost:

            I sated: “You “don’t identify with right wing or left wing” – you “identify with truth”. Sure you do. You sound it. Sorry, but you’re as hardcore right wing as they come.”

            Yes, but you making wildly disingenuous comments it’s also a mart way to go through life

          • Myth Buster

            We seem to oddly have a lot of stuff going into the “pending” area. Just my comments to you for some reason

            I sated: “You “don’t identify with right wing or left wing” – you “identify with truth”. Sure you do. You sound it. Sorry, but you’re as hardcore right wing as they come.”

            Yes, but you making wildly disingenuous comments it’s also a mart way to go through life.

          • Myth Buster

            We seem to oddly have a lot of stuff going into the “pending” area. Just my comments to you for some reason. I’ll post this again.

            You “don’t identify with right wing or left wing” – you “identify with truth”. Sure you do. You sound it. Sorry, but you’re as hardcore right wing as they come.

          • Myth Buster

            We seem to oddly have a lot of stuff going into the “pending” area. Just my comments to you for some reason. So I’ll post this again:

            You “don’t identify with right wing or left wing” – you “identify with truth”. Sure you do. You sound it. Sorry, but you’re as hardcore right wing as they come.

          • Myth Buster

            Here’s another one of my comments to you that magically goes into the “pending” area. I’ll have to post this again:

            You “don’t identify with right wing or left wing” – you “identify with truth”. Sure you do. You sound it. Sorry, but you’re as hardcore right wing as they come.

          • Myth Buster

            Looks like there another comment that put in the “pending” box. Funny just comments to you. I guess I’ll just repost:

            You “don’t identify with right wing or left wing” – you “identify with truth”. Sure you do. You sound it. Sorry, but you’re as hardcore right wing as they come.

  • Patmos

    “All this seems self-evident. Every friend and co-worker I have would agree with this. What is there to argue with?”

    Most of the left needs affirmation. The obvious eludes them. They are rudderless without an authority figure to guide them. Why else would they be clinging to Hillary’s campaign rhetoric this late in the game? The fact that “resistance” is all they have speaks to their state. The fact that they don’t know and cannot articulate what that means speaks to where they are going, which is nowhere. They need their Stalin, they need their Mao, they need their Pol Pot.

    • localhistorywriter

      And the Trump crowd needs their Nazis, their white supremacists and their KKK — a crowd of lowlife sick enough to actually say what Trump supporters are only thinking.

      • Myth Buster

        It also speaks to their education level and thus inclination towards internet news (Moscow Central) as their main source of information.

      • Mensa Member

        In all seriousness, Trump made a deal-with-the-devil to win. No president has ever lost the vote by so many millions and still won the electoral college.

        Trump needed every vote he could get to squeak out a victory and that included the KKK, white nationalists, neo-Nazis, segregationists, anti-government activists, secessionists, paranoid preppers, gun hoarders, Oath Keepers and other extremists.

        Since then, his poll numbers have gone down even further among less radical people, he needs every vote if he hopes to get re-elected. Trump knows perfectly well that he can’t afford to alienate anyone in this “basked of deplorables”.

        • Myth Buster

          With his extensive list of broken promises to the people who supported him I’d be shocked if he wins next time around. He’s now down to his hardcore base and that’s it.

      • Sam Watts

        You may hold truth in high regard, but I hope you’re less partisan when you write local history, because evidently either party or political ideology– I can’t really tell which– is more important to you than facts.

        • Myth Buster

          The facts indicate they were Nazis. The flag was outwardly displayed. The KKK was also there with all their iconograph. Does the Trump crowd need the Nazis, they need their white supremacists, and they need their KKK — they need that lowlife? How does this somehow Make America Great Again?

          • Sam Watts

            There you go again. You demonstrate you have no credibility when you continue to make no mention of Antifa, the anarchists who initiated the violence.

          • Myth Buster

            There you go again. You selectively overlook the fact the Nazis, KKK and other white supremacists came there looking for a fight. In terms of who started it – the Nazis claim the other side did and you believe them. You try ideologically placing the Nazis on a equal moral level with the anti-fascist forces, like you’ve drunk enough extreme Alt-Right Cool-Aide for twenty. How many people did the Antifa people kill last weekend?

            I’m sure the Republican President Eisenhower, who defeated Nazi-Germany, would have never imagined in his wildest dreams there would have even been a GOP President that would have gave lip service to the Nazis and the KKK. Times have changed….

    • stan schmunk

      I’ve spent 3 decades helping Cambodians recover from Pol Pot so, may God forgive me, you’re a vile moron to make that comparison.

  • gcfortruth

    Very well said

  • Benny Ehud

    1) Although there were certainly divisive aspects to Trump’s campaign there’s [LITTLE EVIDENCE] that he’s a racist. And from the reports I hear from people close to him, he has a genuine burden to help the inner-cities, which are largely minority.

    LOL That entire statement is funny.

    • Myth Buster

      LOL!!!!!!!!

    • SophieA

      No one called Donald Trump a racist until he ran against HRC.

      • Benny Ehud

        That’s a lie lol No one paid attention to ppl calling Donald Trump a racist until he ran against HRC.

        The Central Park Five people called him a racist years ago. John R. O’Donnell said that Trump called blacks lazy and didn’t want them counting his money. This was years ago. He settled TWO housing discrimination lawsuits DECADES ago. A lot of people have always known he was a racist. Don Cheadle said that it has been known that Trump is racist.

        • SophieA

          Proof? You have hearsay “evidence” at best. Trump was honored at a Rosa Parks event and frequented events attended by national black leaders. I’d post the pictures here as proof, but I don’t think The Stream permits attachments. Google it or stay delusional. I care not.

          • Benny Ehud

            You said no one was calling the man a racist before he ran against HRC. That’s not true. He was called a racist before that. He just had never run for POTUS. Now, you don’t have to believe that he’s a racist. That’s on you. Believe what you want. But don’t say that people weren’t calling the man a racist before he ran against HRC. Actually, they were calling him that during the Republican primary. And, yes their is EVIDENCE of him SETTLING housing discrimination cases. It’s public knowledge. It’s public knowledge about what he said about those boys known as the Central Park Five. Trump is a racist.

            Randall Pinkett and numerous other black contestants on the Apprentice called him a racist. Randall said for the entire year that he attended meeting in the Trump Orgazination he never saw another black person attend those meetings. That’s b/c Donald is a racist and doesn’t believe in hiring blacks in positions of power. It’s who is. And don’t tell me about the black secretary he put in charge of foundation lol It means nothing. Not to mention that the foundation undoubtedly doesn’t have any money attached to it.

        • Mo

          @ Benny Ehud

          What’s funny is everybody up in arms about Trump being a racist, while we had the open, bold racist Barack Obama in office for 8 freaking years and there was no uproar!

          What hypocrites!

          • Benny Ehud

            Make a list of racist examples from Barack.

          • Benny Ehud

            There was no uproar b/c Barack isn’t a racist.

  • Howard Rosenbaum

    Sadly too many people choose to believe what they want to believe. No group in recent history has exemplified this more than the left w/the MSM mouthpiece at their disposal.
    People of good will & clear conscience ( not hardened by disingenuous agendas & bitter partisanship ) will examine the evidence in the light of day rather than manufacture self serving narratives to support their subjectivity . Mr Brown is correct in light of the facts.
    To think otherwise is premeditated ignorance. Something of which there is clearly no shortage of in todays liberal dominated reporting. Sure objectivity is not always a cut & dry proposition, but it is worth the effort in spite of preferences contrary to the facts.
    Truth on the other hand will always “trump” opinions. Opinions wither & die when the truth is there to officiate the debate. Problem is, even truth won’t force itself upon the one for whom
    feelings & subjectivity reign supreme …

  • Xrucianus

    Beloved, we evangelicals, who yearn for God’s Kingdom to be released in our nation, urgently need to deny our propensity to dissemble, protect our political sympathies and recede into the national woodwork. Today (and for many days after) is the day to take up our cross, confront our own sins, and daily engage our country’s unhealed racial wounds…

    When we bear our cross we are bringing a prevailing power to the table that no other element in our society has to offer. When we bear our cross, one of the many dynamics that are released is the unspoken statement that declares:

    “I am a recipient of His mercy! I too was a hater of God, and a hater of man! I need His forgiveness! The blood of the One Who originally died on this instrument is infinitely more powerful than my sins, your sins, and even generations of dehumanization and genocide.”

    This “statement of the crucified” disarms principalities, calls down God’s power and liberates us to work, pray and dialogue in a spirit of humility & meekness instead of defensiveness & self-interest.

  • localhistorywriter

    “It’s a non sequitur to argue that, because the KKK supported Trump, others who voted for Trump support the KKK.”

    Wrong. As the saying goes: “You can tell a man who boozes, by the company he chooses.”

    • Mark Schirripa

      Right! Vote for Hillary or you’re a racist!

      • Mensa Member

        You got that from his comment?

        • Mark Schirripa

          I got that from this exchange:

          “It’s a non sequitur to argue that, because the KKK supported Trump, others who voted for Trump support the KKK.”

          Wrong. As the saying goes: “You can tell a man who boozes, by the company he chooses.”

          • Mensa Member

            My question stands.

          • commonsensebeliever

            He is to be referred to as President Trump, thank you. The leader of the free world should be honored and respected, whether you like him or not. There is no proof that suggests or even implies the President is racist. You speak lies against our President.

          • Colin V

            Sure he’s not racist, he’s just ok with getting votes from racists and pandering to them. So saying Mexicans are rapists and drug dealers isn’t racist? I mean he did throw in that one thing at the end, “some I assume are good people”

            So then me saying “Christians are child rapists and hypocrites, some I assume are good people.” isn’t disparaging against Christians at all.

          • commonsensebeliever

            He never said anything disparaging towards anyone. He is, however, critical to the illegal alien crisis in this country and he is correct, many illegals that come here are criminals, carry communicable diseases and are violent gang members involved in drugs and human trafficking. They would not be qualified to come here and become US citizens and for good reason. True Christians follow Christ.
            There are multitudes of people who call themselves Christian(or anything else), but are not according to scripture and very well may be involved in all kinds of immoral or illegal activities human beings are capable of. The Gospel means “Good News”, which is, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for our sins and calls us out of darkness, into the the beautiful light and love of God. All one has to do is accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior and repent of your sins…..it is a free gift, you get to start life over again, fresh and new……

          • stan schmunk

            ”He never said anything disparaging towards anyone” is a 1000% lie.

          • stan schmunk

            Did you stand up for President Obama with the same vigor?

          • commonsensebeliever

            Yes and prayed for him and his family…. I feel he was a horrible president and have many reasons why, BUT, he still was OUR Commander and Chief and should be respected as such, painful as that may be.

          • stan schmunk

            Most conservative white ‘believers’ did NOT honor and respect Obama and still don’t. That’s why God has sent Trump in judgement.

    • ncsugrant

      Just plain silly.
      Are you saying President Trump “chose” the KKK?
      It sure seems that the remnant of the KKK is effective at duping the media (or maybe they are willing accomplices?) into this nonsensical discussion every time they want to.
      Besides, this misdirection is very necessary to cover the historical tracks that show clearly that the DEMOCRAT PARTY is the source of the KKK.
      Look into the original film “Birth of a Nation”, and learn that the Wilson administration saved the film from being censored, and went on to make it the first motion picture ever screened at the White House.
      While it is a bit unclear whether the leadership of the Wilson administration was populated by racists, it is crystal clear that they were hoping to suppress the black vote (strongly REPUBLICAN due to Lincoln) by inciting violence across the country. The plan worked.
      Now there is some history for you.

      • Mensa Member

        >> the DEMOCRAT PARTY is the source of the KKK.

        We birthed them and you adopted them.

        (BTW: educated people know it’s “Democratic Party”)

        • ncsugrant

          At least you acknowledge your partisanship.
          I, on the other hand, adhere to beliefs and principles. As a result, I don’t really have a party.
          Friend, I can assure you that I never adopted anything related to the KKK. However, I have witnessed the legacy of the deception of the Democrat party on the issue of race relations, and I have noticed that the history you do not deny is a well-kept secret. I have also noticed that the districts where the deception and race-baiting was on full display for most of the twentieth century continue to vote Democrat quite reliably.
          Lastly, some educated people refer to the Democrat party as a sort of joke, which often elicits the response you provided. See, there is not much that is democratic about them. When machinery furnishes your candidates, extremist minority groups dictate your platform, and you lie to the base that forms a majority of your members, you are not really very democratic.

          • Mensa Member

            >> Friend, I can assure you that I never adopted anything related to the KKK.

            Not you. But your party did. (and thanks for calling me friend. Seriously.)

            What I say is fully documented history.

            After the Democratic Party passed the Civil Rights act, the GOP knew they could peel off racist southern conservative Democrats. It was called “The Southern Strategy” and lasted for multiple election cycles.

            For example, it was very strategic for Ronald Reagan to announce his presidential campaign in Philadelphia, Mississippi. Every KKK member knew the significance of that place.

            It’s probably not helpful to single-out the KKK. The Southern Strategy was about courting the white racist vote, in general.

            PS: And I do own-up to the Democratic Party’s former racist politics. We never should have tolerated the racist wing of our party. It’s our shame. Thank God we repenting of it. Do you own-up to the GOP’s current shame of courting and accepting them?

            I gotta get off-line but I’d still like to hear your response. I will try to come back this evening.

          • ncsugrant

            Again, I don’t have a party. For a long list of reasons, the GOP does not represent my thinking.
            I will easily concede that there are wackos in the Republican party. I would quickly add that the racism of the Democrats is hardly a thing of the past.
            By the way, your history is reflective of the narrative that the Democrats have successfully spun.
            “After the Democratic Party passed the Civil Rights act…” ???
            No such thing occurred. It was indeed passed under LBJ, but only because over 80% of Republican legislators voted for it.
            You are missing the bigger point anyway. NOBODY courts the vote of the KKK. How many could there be? Being reactionary to everything that they say in times of crisis amplifies their voice and gives them free air time. They still do not attract new adherents to their hate mongering.

          • stan schmunk

            Those Republicans were in the North and West, NOT in the South. Those Dems were in the South whereas the northern Dems voted for it. Southern white conservative Christian Democrats were against the Civil Rights legislation and voted for Goldwater in 1964.

          • ncsugrant

            And your point is?
            The original comment asserted that the Democrat Party passed the Civil Rights Act, which is plainly false.
            Surely you do not hold that all southern Democrats were/are racist, or that all of them that were racist became Republicans in 1964?
            Also, I have not seen much commentary at all regarding the facts surrounding the resurgence of the KKK in the early 20th century, and how that was plotted by the highest ranking Democrats in order to intimidate blacks to not vote at all (since they were consistently voting for the party of Lincoln). Research the film “Birth of a Nation”, and realize that this was endorsed and encouraged by the Wilson administration, particularly newspaper owner/ Secy of the Navy Josephus Daniels (who hired FDR as his undersecretary).
            More recently, my recollection is that excuses continue to be made for certain southern Democrats when it comes to issues of race. The name Robert Byrd comes to mind.
            Let’s not pretend that Democrats have some sort of moral high ground here. They sowed the seeds of the violence we continue to see.

          • stan schmunk

            They were all racists. When you accuse Dems for voting against Civil Rights legislation you’re talking about southern conservative Democrats. No southern Republicans voted for or against anything. They were mostly black. The northern and western Republicans are what the right calls RINOS. Actually the GOP right are the RINOS, having little in common with the GOP in Lincoln’s day. Let me ask you this: Why are southern GOP conservatives so against taking down the statues put there by southern conservative Democrats?

          • Kevin Carr

            The Democratic Party did not pass the Civil Rights Act of 1964, they stood against it to include Al Gore’s father, it was passed by the GOP. I still say Democrats are some of the biggest racists around. They seem to believe black people cannot achieve unless they “help” them. The policies have fostered victimhood, and destroyed the black family. We are not held to the same standards as everyone else, because there is some idea that somehow we just aren’t able. That is the soft bigotry of low expectations. The Democratic Party are big supporters of abortion and the abortion clinics are mainly located in black neighborhoods. Please stop “helping”, If you want find racists, look in your house first.

      • Colin V

        Is that why Trump gave a white nationalist radio host a platform at the RNC? Cause he’s so against them?

        Is that why he re-tweeted them regularly during the campaign?

        Is that why the KKK official paper “The Crusader” endorsed Trump?

        You keep mentioning history, yeah you don’t know much about it and are attempting to use sparse facts thrown in to fool people.

        All my 40 years I’ve met dozens of racists, all of them were conservative in ideology. The racist Dems went to the Republican party in the 60’s, decades before I was born.

        • ncsugrant

          I confess that I have not been studying every detail of every comment made by the kook fringe. I grew up in an area where the KKK claimed to be active, and I knew they were mostly a bunch of loud mouths who couldn’t think for themselves.
          As for “sparse facts” about the origins of the KKK and the enduring race baiting perpetrated by the Democrat party, space is limited. You could look into some of this yourself. I gave you a good head start, but here is another try:
          Birth of a Nation, film by D. W. Griffith, book “The Clansman” by T. F. Dixon, Jr. (former classmate of Woodrow Wilson)

          Woodrow Wilson picks Josephus Daniels (a powerful newspaper owner in NC) as Secy. of Navy. Daniels, in-turn, selects a then unknown FDR as undersecy (his first political “job”).
          When the film was rejected by the standards board, Daniels intervened so that it would be released.
          The same Daniels had published incendiary, blatantly racist, cartoons in his NC papers that were the origins of deadly race riots in Wilmington, NC in 1898. Those riots incited violence from white supremacists to overthrow the duly elected town officials (who happened to be black and Republican). Many people were killed during this episode.
          Again, space is limited. The short summary is that powerful media ginning up racial hatred to suit a political agenda is not new, at least not new to Democrats.
          Before you tell me that all of these bad actors became Republicans in the 1960s, it would help if you know what the Democrats have been up to over the past 40 years. Hint: you will not learn this from reading the “news”.

      • Linda

        Maybe he didn’t choose the KKK, but he didn’t state he doesn’t identify with them, and when David Duke said they were marching because Donald Trump promised to take back America, he didn’t denounce that.

        • commonsensebeliever

          He did…….

  • In a video titled “Infowars attacked by Antifa” you can see an amazing amount of details from the Charlottesville riots. Especially, you can see an Antifa protester passing through an entire cadre of independent media reporters to attack an Infowars reporter and cameraman who were not even filming her, but she sees them, blows through the whole group of reporters, and attacks Infowars people. Why? Because of the LIES that the fakestream media insists on spouting about Infowars and its leader, Alex Jones. In that video, you can see jack-booted, riot-geared police keeping peaceful protesters from leaving the area in which they were being physically assaulted and attacked by Antifa. You can also see police laughing about the carnage.

    You want to know who’s responsible for the Charlottesville riots? The fakestream media with their blatantly dishonest spouting against those they deem to be personal adversaries of theirs, and a leftist, elitist globalist cadre that wants to take away our freedoms.

    That’s who.

    • Mensa Member

      >> You want to know who’s responsible for the Charlottesville riots? The fakestream media

      The torch-carrying neo-Nazis and Klansmen just happened to be passing by?

      • Go watch the video for yourself, and note the photograph above, as well. It’s not a white person using flame-throwing techniques. It’s a black man.

        • Mensa Member

          Dude! Are you seriously suggesting that the neoNazis, Oath Keepers and Klansmen played no role in the violence?

          Yes, there was one black guy with a hairspray can (or whatever it was). Of course Dr. Brown features THAT photo.

          But this was a well-thought-out event with white nationalists flooding in to a small town from all over the nation. They came armed and ready for a fight.

          Did a few of the locals over-reaction to the anti-black, anti-Jew, anti-gay, anti-American taunts? Yes. I assume your video shows that. It doesn’t change the rise of violent white nationalism.

          But to blame the media completely loses the big picture.

          • You know, I watched the videos.

            The only thing I heard the right wing chanting was, “White Lives Matter”, which is a response to those of the Caucasian persuasion being for everything in the past that those alive today had ZERO part in. Are you going to sit here and claim that it is somehow unamerican to care about Caucasian lives, as well as others, and then also try to claim that you are not somehow misled, being lied to, biased, or downright bigoted yourself?

            You’re not dealing with someone who has not investigated this for themselves. And, to tell you the truth, you’re acting pretty much like a troll, so you might want to consider dialing down and looking at your own behavior in a self-critical mirror. Take it from one who knows, doing so is not pleasant, but it helps; it helps you to know when you’ve chosen the wrong side, and it helps you to build better arguments when you’ve chosen the proper side. If you really were a Mensa member then I should have expected you to already know that. Then again, Mensa doesn’t really intimidate me. As one person has already said, many of them are actually pretty stupid, especially when it comes to matters of common sense.

          • Linda

            I listened and watched closely too, and I saw the lit torches, saw the MAGA hats, heard them chanting “Heil Trump”, and David Duke saying they were fulfilling Trumps campaign promise to take America back.

          • stan schmunk

            What’s your opinion about Confederate statues being removed?

          • I think you need to investigate and examine what those depicted REALLY thought and stood for (rather than just drinking the koolaid of hate, acrimony, and accusation) BEFORE castigating their statues.

          • stan schmunk

            So, tell me.

          • Chip Crawford

            ” … YOU need to investigate …” [empahsis added] Get off it, schmunk; we’re not here to spoon feed you.

          • stan schmunk

            I already know.

          • I’m not your slave; do your own research.

          • stan schmunk

            I already know. I was baiting you.

          • I very much doubt that you know the truth of this issue.

          • localhistorywriter

            I guess you missed the part where they were marching and chanting “Jews will not replace us!”

          • You miss heard that. According to another writer, it was actually, “You will not replace us!”

    • Colin V

      So should we also listen to InfoWars telling us that interdimensional demons are creating child sex slaves out of our kids too?

      Should we also listen to InfoWars telling us about the child sex slave colonies that the NASA has on Mars?

      I’m sure InfoWars is really a great source for news if you’re missing a brain.

      • Sam Watts

        Not listening to and physically attacking are two entirely different things. Not liking something somebody says is not an excuse to attack them.

        • Colin V

          Tell that to the right winger who ran those people over. Tell that to the right wingers that attacked Deandre Harris.

          How am I physically attacking InfoWars? I’m pointing out the insane things they put out as “news” and still losers eat it up.

        • Colin V

          You’re equating InfoWars with real news? LOL

          Every time InfoWars has come up against a lawsuit they settled and printed apologies: Chobani (backed off before court), PizzaGate (had to print retraction), in his court case with his wife he claims it’s all an act.

          Selling his own house brand of male enhancement supplements every 3 minutes. Every legit news org has their own line of male enhancement supplements right? lol

    • m-nj

      Go look up the periscope stream of another indy reporter from Canada here…www. pscp. tv / w / 1yNGamRYYAgGj

      she is simply walking through the crowd and speaking to the camera, and then she gets verbally attacked and threatened … and she would have likely gotten physically attacked at some point has the car attack not happened (which is also recorded in her video).

      these counter-protesters are nothing but lib/prog fascists themselves…

  • Mensa Member

    This could be a teachable moment for Dr. Brown.

    I’m sure he feels bad about the murder of that woman. And certainly not guilty of it. But, he also feels unfairly blamed.

    Multiply this by 10, and that’s how Muslims feel after every “Islamist” terrorist attack.

    • commonsensebeliever

      Islam is anti American. Muslims deny that the US Constitution and our laws apply to them and refuse to integrate into American society, period. That said, I do understand there are some Muslims that at least say they abhor the violence, but “feel” others blame them when Islamists cause so much death and destruction. This will continue until you denounce the Political ideology of Islam, that hides behind the cloak of religion.

      • Mensa Member

        You illustrate my point very well.

        Yes, a radical extremist wing of Muslims might fit your description. But you then generalize it to the whole religion.

        That is very similar to blaming all Evangelicals for these cross-wielding, hate-spewing “Christians” in Charlottesville.

        Dr. Brown’s article should give you compassion for the vast majority of Muslims who have nothing to do with terrorism.

        • Myth Buster

          He’s just broad-brush stroking an entire group to reach his already established predetermined explanation of reality. You’ll note he makes wild statements like “Muslims deny that the US Constitution and our laws apply to them” and then oxymoronically states, “Political ideology of Islam, that hides behind the cloak of religion”; yet, overlooks the highly charged political rhetoric of the Christian Right.

        • commonsensebeliever

          Big difference is, my Bible condemns what KKK believe and how they behave, your Koran urges what Islamic terrorists do…….

          • localhistorywriter

            Your Bible was also being read in racially segregated churches not that long ago.

      • Colin V

        These white supremacists are anti-American. They fly the flags of our old enemies we defeated in war then proclaim they are actually the most “patriotic”. Go figure.

        Muslim extremists and these white supremacist have one thing in common – extreme right wing ideology.

        • commonsensebeliever

          Yes, indeed I agree with your assertion about white supremacists being anti-American…so I wouldn’t consider them, nor Muslims to be right wing at all. Both systems of beliefs violate the very minimal standard of freedom for all and civil rights/equality…..

          • Colin V

            They are conservative groups, therefor right wing. Not really a hard concept to grasp.

            The hard liner Mullahs in Iran? Right wingers and ultra conservatives. Al Qaeda? Hard line ultra conservatives. ISIS? They are ultra conservative.

            They’re just more conservative than you, but they’re still right wing. Most are Authoritarian like regimes which are right wing.

    • Sam Watts

      ‘Multiply this by 10, and that’s how Muslims feel after every “Islamist” terrorist attack.’ And you know their innermost feelings how?

  • michael hull

    The problem with your statement , “… the KKK supported Trump.” is FALSE. The KKK have always supported Democrats including Hillary Clinton, they donated $20,000 to her campaign. You neglect to mention that George Soros and Obama are financially backing BLM and Antifa. They pay their protestors up to $25.00 per hour plus expenses. Ads were discovered on Craigslist and other social platforms.

    • Myth Buster

      Sorry, the “Crusader” — the most prominent 12-page quarterly newspapers of the Ku Klux Klan and the one that calls itself “The Political Voice of White Christian America!” that has a well-known white supremacist symbol on its front page, endorsed Trump. Under the banner “Make America Great Again” the entire front page of the paper’s November issue was devoted to a lengthy defense of Trump’s message — an embrace some have labeled a de facto endorsement.

      “They pay their protestors up to $25.00 per hour plus expenses.” Funny, no one has ever claimed that one on their taxes. What extreme right wing website did you get that from?

    • Mensa Member

      >>> George Soros and Obama are financially backing BLM and Antifa. They pay their protestors up to $25.00 per hour plus expenses.

      This claim smells of fake news started by some Russian Tweet Bot.

      Were did you hear it?

    • Colin V

      Michael Hull do you enjoy being such a liar? The guy who supposedly donated $20k to Hillary’s campaign did no such thing. Reporters combed through the donations as they are public info and found no such donation to her campaign.

      The KKK’s official paper endorsed Trump.

      The Dems in the past were the party of the KKK but that was decades before I was even born. The parties flipped and when the Democrats from the north voted with the Republicans on Civil Rights the southern Blue Dog Dems abandoned ship and went Republican.

      I’m 40 years old and every single racist I’ve come across in my life (dozens at this point) have all been conservatives aka Republicans.

      • kellyintx

        It won’t take you long to find racists on the left if you look for them.

      • Sam Watts

        “I’ve yet to meet one racist Democrat or liberal.” I know the party affiliations of very, very few people, but two whose affiliation I did know and who were racists were both Democrats– one from New York and the other from North Carolina. But your experiences and mine in that regard prove nothing about racism’s correlation with party affiliation.

  • Concerned Christian

    hallelujah!!!!!

    He finally did it! 🙂

  • Jennefer O’Brien

    Very well stated! My sentiments exactly! As a Christian today, the most difficult thing to deal with sometimes is so much misunderstanding and misjudgement by others, people have stopped thinking logically and just make sweeping accusations as they stand sometimes self righteously in their polarizing views. We need to all come together, denounce this obvious twisted, evil hatred at every turn. Any hatred of any human being on the basis of race or religion has been, and always will be abhorrent, and cannot be tolerated in any society! All we can do is continue to clarify, THAT it is not, and will NEVER be, right conservatism!

    • Myth Buster

      Well said!

  • I haven’t made wildly disingenuous comments despite your false accusations.

    • Myth Buster

      You’ve done an outstanding job at deflecting when asked direct questions.

      • Did you never take a basic history course?

        historyDOTcom/topics/ku-klux-klan

        • Myth Buster

          Do you have a reading comprehension problem? No one is debating this?

          Do you understand political parties change over time? It’s called political realignment Theory. You should pick a book up on the subject and read it.

          • You were unaware that the KKK began as a Democratic Party operative, so it’s safe to say I’m not the one who needs to read up on the topic. 🙂 The KKK still finds its home in the Democratic Party. They welcomed Senator Byrd, they allowed Bill Clinton to make the disparaging remarks he did about Obama serving coffee. They still accept donations from the KKK. These are things happening in the PRESENT, not 100 or even 50 years ago.

          • Myth Buster

            Yes, I’ve acknowledged this several times. You are aware the GOP was once for strong Federal Government, was against Sates Rights, represented minorities and was for natural recourse land protection. This is called political realignment theory, since you obviously don’t know what this means. It notes how political parties change their positions over time. You seem to keep reposting that the Democratic support of the KKK 100-years ago is some-type of trump card issue.

            “The KKK still finds its home in the Democratic Party.” “They still accept donations from the KKK.” That’s kind of funny since their national newspaper supported Trump and no one in the KKK is making those donations. I have no idea what part of your body you pulled those talking points from.

            Now is this comment also going into the “pending” area?

    • Myth Buster

      Here’s another one of my comments to you that magically goes into the “pending” area. I’ll have to post this again:

      “You’ve done an outstanding job at deflecting when asked direct questions. I really loved your comment: “They gave their regular donation check to the Democrats, the party of the KKK.” Are there people actually stupid enough to believe that one?”

    • Myth Buster

      We seem to oddly have a lot of stuff going into the “pending” area. Just my comments to you for some reason. I’ll just post this again:

      You’ve done an outstanding job at deflecting when asked direct questions. I really loved your comment: “They gave their regular donation check to the Democrats, the party of the KKK.” Are there people actually stupid enough to believe that one?

    • Myth Buster

      Looks like there another comment that put in the “pending” box. Funny just comments to you. I guess I’ll just repost:

      You’ve done an outstanding job at deflecting when asked direct questions. I really loved your comment: “They gave their regular donation check to the Democrats, the party of the KKK.” Are there people actually stupid enough to believe that one?

    • Myth Buster

      You’ve done an outstanding job at deflecting when asked direct questions. I really loved your comment: “They gave their regular donation check to the Democrats, the party of the KKK.” Are there people actually stupid enough to believe that one?

  • m-nj

    I am all for calling what happened in Charlottesville last weekned as domestic terrorism as long the next time when (not if) the lib/prog/antifa movement becomes violent, destroys property, and tries to deny another group’s freedom of speech and assembly it is also labeled as domestic terrorism… although i will not hold my breath for the MSM to do so.

    • Hebrewhelena

      Yes!!

      • Concerned Christian

        yes, because you never admit that you have a plank in your eye without the other guy acknowledging that he has one in his eye as well. 🙂

        • m-nj

          i am not part of either group, so keep your accusations to yourself. there is no denying there is bias in the MSM when it comes to calling out lib/prog/antifa groups.

          • Concerned Christian

            so you said “i am all for calling what happened…”

            I assumed (bad word) that your statement is contingent on whether or not the “lib/prog/antifa” movement is called the same the next time they’re responsible for an incident?

            am I misunderstanding what you’re saying?

          • m-nj

            there’s no contingency. BOTH are domestic terrorist groups IF they engage in violence or destruction of property. it doesn’t have to be either/or… rather, both/and… but as i stated, i don’t expect the MSM to call out lib/prog/antifa due to inherent bias… to them, only conservative/right are evil

          • Concerned Christian

            “Can you imagine, for instance, a group of six or seven hundred black men gathering to march and chant about their anger? Can you imagine them grabbing torches, going to a public square and stomping around, loudly intoning about black power and nationalism, about how America’s institutions are still freighted with the stench of historical bigotry?

            What would the response look like from local police? A shrug, or a nod to the idea that this is acceptable political speech.

            And if it turned violent, would the president of the United States feebly mouth something about evil on “many sides”?

          • commonsensebeliever

            Do you not remember the violence and destruction that went on during this election? Why weren’t they stopped?

          • Concerned Christian

            probably because no one died. death tends to change things!

          • Colin V

            So what would the headline read? “Terrorists mace Nazis?”

            These “terrorists” have failed to kill anyone or do any crazy $$$ amount of damage.

            vs

            Nazis and White Supremacists groups that march in helmets with shields and beat people down with clubs, running people over with cars.

            Those two things are totally on the same level!

        • Hebrewhelena

          Yeah…pretty much. Let’s not have a double standard. That’s not very Christian.

          • localhistorywriter

            Were those “Christians” who were worshiping in racially segregated churches in Mississippi and Alabama during the 1950s and ’60s? Or just garden variety southern bigots.

          • Hebrewhelena

            They are the same Christians worshipping today in very segregated (by choice) churches.

  • Laura French, of CBS affiliate @CBS6 has tweeted footage of ANTIFA attacking their photojournalist in Richmond last night. This was not NeoNazi’s. It was not KKK. It was Antifa. They tried to stop him from filming their protest. After he refused to stop, he needed 4 staples in his head. The FakeStream Media won’t tell you about it when they think they can get away with lying to you. I guess this one hit a little too close to home for her. To find it, check out @lfrenchnews.

    • Hmmm…

      They gin up the action with the M.O. of causing the trouble and then posing as the victims. BLM is a hate group also, from the beginning. These attempt to hide behind others and ride on a wave of justification because, after all, those Trump supporters et al are so wrong and so bad. I’m glad the DOJ is involved in VA and hope they will unmask the Antifa and other haters and killers. Jeff Sessions will shut down the whiny voice of the media when he finds stuff on them as well. Still better, let them trace back the origin and bankroll for those groups.

    • Jim Walker

      None of the leftist will respond to this post because it doesn’t fit their narrative…

  • Colin V

    So Trump being one of the original birthers and the most well known one, claiming the first non white president of the USA was not born here isn’t racist? He did this for years.

    Trump and his father were sued by the Justice Dept over a decades ago for racist housing policies and they settled. What’s the one thing Trump always says about lawsuits? If you’re not wrong, never settle.

    Trump was endorsed by the official paper of the KKK, “The Crusader”.

    Trump re-tweeted many white supremacists and white nationalists while on the campaign. In an unprecedented move he even brought a white nationalist radio host James Edwards who has espoused anti-black and anti-semitic statements.

    Then there’s Tom Arnold’s claim that during the Apprentice tapings Trump would blast the “N” word all over the place and there’s a tape of him doing so out there.

    Yeah if you don’t look at all there’s no history of Trump being racist, if you don’t look. First two examples of his racism I brought up are rather damning if you ask me. Especially when he went out of his way to hound Obama and portray Obama as a lazy black man playing too many rounds of golf or taking too long a vacation. Trump has taken about double the golf outings Obama had up till this point and taken more vacation time.

    But yeah sure he’s not racist at all besides all those things I pointed out.

  • blackfeather

    this is what barack O has brought to us.

    • Concerned Christian

      are conservatives responsible for anything? How did Obama cause Christians to vote for Trump over Rubio & Cruz?

      This world was created by Trump and his supporters period!

      • Colin V

        The scary black man made them run into the arms of the strongest man they could think of. Just so happened to be a guy who brags about sex assault, lusting after his own daughter, peeps in on underage women in dressing rooms.

        That was the “Christian” evangelical pick and you wonder why people are abandoning church at high rates this day in age.

        Christians are willing to sell their soul to the devil as long as it gets them the anti-LGBTQ and anti-abortion laws.

        Weird cause God is ok with abortions.

        • Concerned Christian

          don’t agree with the last line but the other was spot on.

          • Colin V

            Show me in the Bible where God prohibits abortion. Show me in the Bible where Jesus says not to tolerate and welcome strangers.

            In Numbers 5:11-31 it outlines how to get an abortion if you suspect your woman of cheating on you.

          • Concerned Christian

            well that’s certainly an argument.

            i would say that hands that shed innocent blood would fall into that category for me.

  • Gary

    If the government of Charlottesville had not decided to remove the statue of General Lee, the whole thing might have not happened on Saturday.

    • Colin V

      LOL, so it’s all their fault these hate groups organized and got people killed? Cause they wanted to take down the statue of a traitor and enemy who lost a war to the United States of America?

      If you celebrate the past enemies of the USA and fly the flags of enemies we fought against, sorry but you’re not a patriot. Not sorry

      Culture is art, clothing, music, food, literature…not worshiping the idol of a slave owning general who fought to keep owning slaves against the US of A.

      • Gary

        I read the plan to remove the statue was the reason the “right wingers” got a permit to be there on Saturday. If the statue was left alone, would they have come anyway? I don’t know. Leave the Confederate things alone and maybe there will be fewer problems.

        • Colin V

          So because the racists are dangerous criminals we should just bow down to their wishes. Like a mob boss threatening to crack your head in if you don’t come up with the weekly protection money eh?

          • Gary

            I can see there is likely to be a cracked head in your future. Yours.

          • Colin V

            I’m just trying to understand your position doofus. Am I threatening to you? You’re saying it’s ok to assault people using words cause it frustrates your brain?

            I was trying to get at the root of your support for the confederate flag.

          • Gary

            I support the right of states to secede from the union. You know, like the colonies seceded from the British government. Lincoln should have been a diplomat instead of a murderer.

          • Colin V

            They were all murderers. So why did they southern states wanna secede?

            I was asking questions just trying to understand your position better but in doing so you say I’m worthy of violence. Hmmmm…

          • Gary

            The Southern States did not want to be under the thumb of Abe Lincoln.

          • David

            Because he would have made them give up slavery, and for no other reason.

          • Gary

            That wasn’t the only reason.

          • David

            The confederate seemed to think it was, given they put in the enshrinement of slavery as a permanent institution into their constitution.

          • Colin V

            It wasn’t the only reason but THE MAIN REASON.

          • David

            I support the right of people to not be spa. But you clearly think black people don’t deserve rights.

          • David

            I support the right of people to not be slaves. But you clearly think black people don’t deserve rights.

          • Gary

            I don’t support slavery. That is one of the reasons I believe states should not be FORCED to remain in the union.

          • David

            Forced to remain in the union and end slavery, you mean. The confederate constitution says that it was explicitly about ensuring black people remained slaves. So you think that white people being forced to not have slaves is a worse injustice than black people being slaves.

          • Gary

            No. I said I oppose slavery. Of any kind. Even the kind that makes everyone a slave to the US Government.

          • David

            And yet you think that taking away the freedom to keep slaves is worse slavery than being enslaved. So you don’t oppose slavery, you oppose white people being told to not be monsters.

          • Gary

            The slaveholders should have set their slaves free, and the US Gov. should have let the South secede.

          • David

            You must be pretending, you cannot be this stupid. The reason that the southern states wanted to secede was so they could keep their slaves.

    • David

      So because they’re white, you think we need to bow to terrorists.

      • Gary

        What? I didn’t say that.

        • David

          Yes you did. You’re saying that doing what terrorists want, if they’re white, is the solution. Nazis wanted the statue to stay up, so it and all confederate statues should come down.

          • Gary

            If you take down everything that reminds you of slavery, there won’t be much left. Even Washington, DC will have to go. Have at it. Oh, but don’t be surprised if someone tries to stop you.

          • David

            Amazingly, leftists aren’t clamoring to destroy Washington DC – that sort of a terrorist attack is limited to right wingers when a Democrat is president. What leftists ACTUALLY want is to get rid of monuments glorifying slavery and the confederacy. If you care about history so much, we can replace all these statues with plaques calling white southerners monsters and traitors who tried to destroy America for their racist hatred. That tells history a lot better than giving out participation trophies for racist losers who lost a war.

          • Gary

            Go ahead. And while you’re doing that, we racists will be doing something else. But I can’t tell you what. It’s a secret.

          • David

            So you’re admitting to being a terrorist as well as a white supremacist.

            Hey, look over here, we have the typical Trump supporter. Anyone here want to actually disagree with him? Show you don’t condone white nationalist terrorists?

          • Gary

            A terrorist? You have a vivid imagination there boy. I’m not a white supremacist either. I don’t want to have any colored people in my life. They are all free to go their own way, just as long as I don’t have to help.

          • Jim Walker

            This is so laughable. Its like you have your hand in the cookie jar and say you are not stealing.

          • Colin V

            Gary you’re admitting you’re a racist.

          • Jim Walker

            Gary is not a Trump supporter by the way… He only supports himself.

  • davidrev17

    “Blessed are the peacemakers, because they will be called sons of God” (Matthew 5:9).

    “Now at the same time some had come to tell him about the Galileans whose blood Pilate had mixed with their sacrifices. And he [Yeshua/Jesus] answered and said to them, “Do you think that these Galileans [or those white supremacists et al. assembled in Charlottesville] were sinners worse than all the Galileans, because they suffered these things? No, I tell you, but unless you repent you will all perish as well! Or those eighteen on whom the tower in Siloam fell and killed them—do you think that they were sinners worse than all the people who live in Jerusalem [or upon planet earth]? No, I [Jesus] tell you, but unless you repent, you will all perish as well” (Luke 13:1-5, my emphasis).

    “…for ALL have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God…” (Romans 3:23)

    “Do not judge, so that you will not be judged. For by what judgment you judge, you will be judged, and by what measure you measure out, it will be measured out to you. And why do you see the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the beam of wood in your own eye? Or how will you say to your brother, ‘Allow me to remove the speck from your eye,’ and behold, the beam of wood is in your own eye?Hypocrite! First remove the beam of wood from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye” (Matthew 7:1-5).

  • David

    “Out of the blue, I was judged to be complicit in a racist cause because I did not denounce a white supremacist rally quickly enough”

    You mean in the same way – to the letter – that white evangelicals have said that Muslims are complicit in ISIS attacks?

    Or is this more of your belief that standards are just one of those things meant for you to apply to other people? Like moral rules, and laws.

  • David

    “Out of the blue, I was judged to be complicit in a racist cause because I did not denounce a white supremacist rally quickly enough.”

    Show us articles of you defending Muslims who were attacked for the same reason, you filthy hypocrite.

  • David

    I like how you claim you’re not a white supremacist, and felt the need to single out Jewish people in the article for literally no reason except to otherize them.

    • ncsugrant

      I reluctantly engage in conversation with an irrational, emotional loud mouth.
      However, I must point out the sheer stupidity of this comment in particular.
      You are obviously ignorant of the fact that the author is a Jew.
      If you could take a breath and be bothered to read before you attack, you could have learned that Dr. Brown has a fairly wide following on radio, and he makes a point of his Jewish heritage. His history makes his personal testimony of salvation through faith in Jesus all the more powerful.
      I sincerely hope this jolts you back to some sense of civility.

      • Colin V

        So I guess no Jews helped the Nazis gas other Jews at all right?

        I disagree with David characterizing Mr Brown as a white supremacist but I do see his point that Mr Brown is playing into their “both sides are guilty” narrative. Mr Brown also white washes Trump’s racist past saying Trump has not done anything racist…I guess if you haven’t paid any attention the past few decades.

        Trump and his father were literally sued by the Justice Dept for being racist decades ago and Trump lost!

        Trump said Mexicans were rapists and drug dealers.

        Said a judge with Mexican heritage who was American cannot be impartial because he’s Mexican, he’s American.

        Trump pushed birtherism trying to deny the legitimacy of the first non-white president of the USA. Trump hounded him for years and years with this lie and promised evidence but never produced one single shred.

        The author NEVER looked into Trump’s past but has the balls to claim Trump isn’t racist when he was literally sued by the USA for being racist and lost.

        • ncsugrant

          Hey Colin, what are you debating here?
          It seems you are jumping around a bit, from calling Dr. Brown names to enumerating several of the many flaws of Donald Trump, and maybe something related to the point I made.
          You sound about as irrational as David.
          He asserted that Dr. Brown “…felt the need to single out Jewish people…”, which completely exposed his ignorance of the fact that Dr. Brown is a Jew.
          I didn’t start a thread defending every comment ever made by Mr. Trump.

          • David

            I like how you cannot argue against the fact that he did feel the need to write new there, when he could have simply said man, or woman, or Christian, but he did put Jew in there, for no reason whatsoever outside of bigotry.

            And of course, the claim he has some kind of j word privilege, because he is a practising Jew, even while actually admit he is not.

          • ncsugrant

            Take a breath, man. Your emotions have taken hold of you, which is far too common with this debate.

          • Colin V

            Says the guy who accused me of character assassination for having a different opinion that I back up with facts.

            Drama queen much?

          • Colin V

            Show me the name I called Dr Brown, I call total BS on your claim.

            Dr Brown says Trump exhibited no signs of racism to him. Trump was sued by the Justice Department for racist housing policies and lost. Trump called Mexicans “rapists and drug dealers”.

            I disagreed with David that Dr Brown was a “white supremacist”, can you read? Can you comprehend? Obviously not.

          • ncsugrant

            “,,, Mr Brown is playing into their “both sides are guilty” narrative. Mr Brown also white washes Trump’s racist past …”
            “The author NEVER looked into Trump’s past but has the balls to claim Trump isn’t racist …”

            You clearly have claimed that Dr. Brown is either uninformed on the issue he has written about and/or that he is trying to spin a narrative about Trump that he knows is false. Those are quite serious assaults on the man’s character, but you can pretend otherwise if it makes you feel like you won something.

          • Colin V

            So where’s the part where I CALL HIM NAMES?????? AS YOU ALLEDGE??????

            Not too hard right, where do I call him names? And nice of you to ignore my arguments, I supported all those assertions with evidence.

            So you accused me of calling Mr Brown names, now where do I call him names? Or are your reading and comprehension skills just that damned low?

      • David

        You do understand that Judaism and Christianity are mutually exclusive religions, and it is impossible to be both? Like? You aren’t so stupid you don’t get that, right?

        • ncsugrant

          You confuse a people (ethnicity) with the predominant religion of that people.
          What, exactly, do you call ALL of the apostles, and most first century Christians? Ever heard that saying among Christians that “my boss is a Jewish carpenter”?

          “You aren’t so stupid you don’t get that, right?”

  • David

    So let’s break them down point by point, and see how they mesh with the idea that Yes, you are in fact a white supremacist.

    1. No, there’s mountains of evidence he is a racist. Literally his only connection to politics in the last 8 years was championing a racist conspiracy theory about the first black president . You just refused to listen, because you are closet white supremacists.

    2. Yes, they do, since white supremacy is literally the only reason anyone would vote for Trump, since his campaign, as we established, was built on white supremacy.

    3.if you vote for a man who engages in policies that make white supremacists feel safe and loved, you are by definition supporting the KKK. If you need to reach for scary boogeyman like the new black panthers, a group with less than a hundred members, you are ALSO a white supremacist.

    4. White evangelicals CLAIM to denounce white supremacy while doing nothing whatsoever to actually oppose white supremacist politicians, voting for them overwhelmingly again and again. Yes, it is true this makes all conservative evangelicals hypocrites – glad we agree on this.

    5. If you feel the need to say that groups stopping white supremacists are bad, you are a white so. If you say a group who are asking for actual equality for African Americans are bad, you are a white supremacist by sefinition.

    If you are so filled with hate that you cannot comprehend the difference between black people asking for equality and black people claiming sypremacy, you are a white supremacist by absolute definition.

    So, all of your arguments fall apart instantly if you stop making excuses and can admit your racism.

    • Gary

      I’m a racist. What are you going to do about it?

    • Jim Walker

      1. you should go check out a compilation youtube video of Trump from Mark Dice.
      2./3. so those Hispanic and African Americans who voted for Trump, are they closet white supremacists ?
      4. name me some white supremacist politicians please.
      5. Antifas and white supremacists are hate groups. I blame both for stirring violence.
      So am I a white supremacist ? or a closet one?

      • David

        1. A compilation of all the non racist things Trump has done in his life takes up one 10 minute video. Meanwhile, all the typically racist things he has done have filled 70 years. And you managed to ignore the fact of him pushing the racist But that conspiracy.
        2/3. Leaving aside the right wing tendency towards tokenism, yes. Look up Uncle Ruckus.
        4. Jefferson Beauregard Sessions the Third springs immediately to mind. The man appointed head of the justice department, who called the NAACP “Un-American” and “Communist inspired.”
        5. Antifa are not a hate group, they oppose hate group. Do you understand how this works?

        The white Supremacists started violence by championing the cause of killing every non straight white Christian with no disabilities. If you see opposing that as a hate group, you must believe that wanting to stop the genocide of all nonwhites is hateful. Which makes you a closet white supremacist.

        Either stop being a white Supremacist and admit Antifa are morally far superior to Nazis, or admit you are a white supremacist.

        • Jim Walker

          “Either stop being a white Supremacist and admit Antifa are morally far superior to Nazis, or admit you are a white supremacist.”
          This is extremely laughable lol ! because I can never ever be a white supremacist even if I want to.

          • David

            Okay, so just say that Antifa are morally superior to white supremacists to prove you aren’t a white supremacist.

          • Jim Walker

            antifag is a hate group that cause much destruction trying to stop/shutdown anything that does not fit their belief system and narrative, to me that is very much like fascism itself.
            white stupidmacist is a hate group who think so highly of themselves, they are narcissists with low IQ.
            I’d hope there is a day of Purge for these 2 groups to fight it out and leave us alone for the rest of the year.

          • David

            Antifa oppose things that does not fit their narrative, and their narrative is “No White Supremacists”. If you find that too restrictive and oppressive, it can only be because you are a white supremacist.

          • Jim Walker

            I don’t support both groups. In fact there are enough laws on discrimination to shut down any the white stupidmacists.
            Once again, David, you have very poor memories of important info; I can never be a white supremacist even if I wanted to.

          • David

            Thank you, white man, for declaring yourself an expert on how white people do not ever engage in hate against black people. I’m going to follow in your example and declare that there is no form of discrimination on any level in any capacity ever against white Christians, who enjoy more privilege than anyone else.

          • Jim Walker

            Just a tip, not everyone with an English name is White, David.

          • Chip Crawford

            Only you can do something about your own hate. It will never help for you to keep trying to transfer it onto others who disagree with you. You’ll make yourself sick with this.

          • David

            She says while trying to transfer her hate onto black people asking for equality.

          • Chip Crawford

            Black people are already equal; they don’t have to ask for it.

          • David

            Pointing out what you are is not name calling, it is telling the truth.

            And no, white conservatives try to tell black people they are treated equally, because to white conservatives, black people being treated unjustly is just the natural order of things and they hate black people trying to fix it.

          • Hmmm…

            You are equating your assignment of motives and thoughts and feelings with truth. It makes you the judge. It is smearing. UnAmerican and Un anything right and good. It is also delusional. You would find a real court of law where one must speak truth under oath and prove allegations quite inhibiting. Your stuff is spurious and without merit. It strongly appears that you have no genuine issue to bring forth as the obvious reason for your resorting to personal recriminations in this low fashion.

          • David

            This entire site, the white evangelical movement, and every facet of modern conservatism is built purely upon favoring your own assignment of motives and thoughts and feelings instead of facts. You seriously try to say it makes me judge when every single article on this site is about being judgemental of others without having any standards for your own behaviour. Including calling anyone else judgey.

          • Hmmm…

            I think you better stay away for your own benefit then. But, no one or nothing can drain the venom in you, but yourself.

          • Jim Walker

            Why are you so unhappy because some white guy hate blacks ? There will always be racists amongst us, like it or not, because this is a fallen world.
            I’m not going to let some people who hate me define who I am. They can hate me all they want, so what ?
            If you continue to dwell in such negativity, you will end up marching among those antifags, aimlessly fighting against their own demons.
            Spend more of your time looking at the good side of things and things that are important to you.
            Pray for your enemies.

          • Colin V

            Jim one group (AntiFa) are only against Nazis and Facists. They don’t hate other groups.

            Nazis and Facists hate all non-Nazi and non-Facists, all non-whites and wish them to be dead or out of the country.

            But they’re both equally bad amirite?

          • Jim Walker

            The problem is Anitfag’s radar is broken and they started to shutdown anyone they don’t like, even their own liberal speakers, professors etc at universities.
            They have lost their agenda, totally, and becomes a hate group if you don’t submit to their ideology.

          • Colin V

            I agree their tactics and radar are super bad, but that doesn’t mean they’re on the same level as the Nazis. They’re a step above the Nazis on the deplorable scale.

          • Jim Walker

            When your path forward is destruction, there is nothing good. They are fighting something that is so small and insignificant. White Supremacists in the USA are like muffled dogs reducing in numbers from more and more mixed marriages.
            I’d say the Europeans still have strong white supremacists but in the US ? Antifags are punching at their own shadows.

          • Colin V

            Tell that to Jesus when he flipped tables and chased money changers with whips.

  • Gary

    President Trump got it right today in his news conference: both sides were violent on Saturday in Charlottesville. Trump was critical of both sides, and he should be because both sides are at fault. Liberals are trying to pretend that President Trump supports the “Alt-Right”, but if you listen to his comments, he clearly does not. The Left should stop lying and face the truth.

    • David

      Yes, and both the axis soldiers and allied soldiers in ww2 were violent. We should condemn both of them.

      • Hmmm…

        You equate war to stop one nation taking over the world with street fighting?

        • David

          One ideology, not nation. And yes, I equate fighting to stop fascist white nationalism from taking over the world with fighting to stop fascist white nationalism from taking over the world. If they’ve already declared their intent, there’s no point in not stopping them now.

          Unless you’re one of those people who thinks we shouldn’t have stopped the holocaust.

          • Hmmm…

            It’s taking the law into your own hands and horrendous judging of the motives of others, while overlooking and excusing your side’s words and deeds.

          • David

            So basically like owning a gun, but without massaging innocent schoolkids?

            Also, you cannot misjudge the motives of scum who march while waving the confederate flag and Swatstikas.

          • Hmmm…

            What are you talking about?? You’re getting confused. Better take some time off and cool down.

    • Hmmm…

      True. It’s a just and accurate exposure. The media helps the left with the deception of Antifa and BLM and others of that ilk appearing to be acted upon instead of being the mutual and/or outright aggressors in these confrontations.

    • Colin V

      So Nazis and those fighting Nazis are the same right?

    • Colin V

      The Nazis want all non-whites out of the country or dead or slaves and the liberals don’t. They’re totally equal here!

      The only reason those Nazis are compliant is they have no power to enact their ideology as it stands now so they must play by America’s rules. You think their ideology will change once they have power and numbers?

      I guess when MLK Jr was shot there was violence on all sides then too huh? And both sides were equally at fault too huh?

      • Chip Crawford

        The white supremacist crowd has been prosecuted heavily, with past murderers given the death penalty in some cases. They are openly known for what they are, actually contained, and won’t amass as you claim. The Antifa pretend to be just crusaders against them and all such as they deem similar. The problem is, they are not honest brokers, but propaganda and smear agents of Democratic contributors aimed at disruption of the other side who beat them out in the last election. You are deceived if you go for their cause, unless you too are corrupt. I hope you will care for your country sufficient to see the light on this and similar groups like BLM, who are not really for peace and wholeness, but are quite lawless.

        • Colin V

          Chill, I said I don’t support them but they are clearly different from the Nazis and White Supremacists.

          I see them as chaos agents and nothing more but their stand was a direct response to the Alt Right and rise of White Supremacy. Their stated purpose is to fight the Nazis and Facist Alt Right crowd.

          At the Charlottesville indicent church clergy were surrounded by white nationalist/supremacists/Nazis and AntiFa surrounded the church clergy to protect them as they were starting to get their heads bashed by the clubs the Nazis were carrying.

          If we’re comparing and trying to make assessments of morality/ethics here, AntiFa certainly more moral than the Nazis.

          This is not said in support of them but stating facts.

          • Chip Crawford

            Right. I think we’re beginning to find that their stated purpose is not their true purpose, but to be chaos agents as you said.

  • lachme

    the ultimate tragedy is not the oppression and cruelty by bad people, but the silence over that by the good people.–MLK

    your silence regarding the crimes of the white supremacists is your complicity in those crimes. there is no neutral ground in this question– you are either with the nazis and the kkk and all the white supremacists, or you are against them. which group do YOU consider the good guys?

  • Kevin Mayo

    Hey David. How much is one of George Soros’s organizations paying you to spew hatred on this page?

  • Mo

    “A Vote for Trump is a Not a Vote for White Nationalism”

    In the eyes of the Left, yes it is.

    This event was EXACTLY what they wanted, in order that they could brand anyone on the Right – especially anyone who remotely supports Trump on anything – as racists!

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