An Ancient Rabbi Brings an Urgent Warning to Christian Leaders Today

Now is the time for us to take a determined, uncompromising stand — while it is still light and while the door is still open — before we hang our heads in shame.

Relief from the Arch of Titus in Rome depicting a menorah and other objects looted from the Temple of Jerusalem carried in a Roman triumph. Built in c. 81 A.D., the construction of the Arch of Titus preceded the culmination of tensions between Jews and the Roman government in 134 A.D., when all Jewish practices were forbidden.

By Michael Brown Published on October 25, 2016

In the year 123 A.D., the Roman government launched a severe crackdown against the Jews, culminating in 134 A.D., when all Jewish practices were forbidden, including circumcision, Torah study, and Sabbath observance.

How did the rabbis respond? One of the noted leaders of that day, Rabbi Hananiah ben Teradyon, conducted public Torah classes, paying for it with his life.

But this was no emotional, spur of the moment decision. There was a rationale behind his actions, traceable to Rabbi Akiva, the greatest rabbinic sage of that era, also martyred for his allegiance to Torah.

The Talmud relates:

Once the wicked Roman government issued a decree forbidding the Jews to study and practice the Torah. Pappus ben Judah came by and, upon finding Rabbi Akiva publicly holding sessions in which he occupied himself with Torah, Pappus asked him: “Akiva, are you not afraid of the government?”

Rabbi Akiva replied: “You, Pappus, who are said to be wise, are in fact a fool. I can explain what I am doing by means of a parable: A fox was walking on a river bank and, seeing fishes hastening here and there, asked them, ‘From whom are you fleeing?’ They replied, ‘From the nets and traps set for us by men.’ So the fox said to them, ‘How would you like to come up on dry land, so that you and I may live together the way my ancestors lived with yours?’ They replied, ‘You — the one they call the cleverest of animals — are in fact a fool. If we are fearful in the place where we can stay alive, how much more fearful should we be in a place where we are sure to die!’

“So it is with us. If we are fearful when we sit and study Torah, of which it is written, ‘For that is thy life and the length of thy days’ (Deut. 30:20), how much more fearful ought we to be should we cease the study of words of Torah!” (see b. Berakhot 61b with Eyn Yaakov)

There is a lesson here for us today, especially those of us in Christian leadership. I pray that we will take heed!

You see, for years we have made careful calculations, not wanting to rock the boat, not wanting to offend our constituents, not wanting to stir up controversy, not wanting to provoke the ire of our ideological enemies. And outwardly, it appeared that our “tiptoe through the culture wars” strategy was succeeding, as our church buildings were full and our bank accounts overflowing.

But all the while, we were selling our souls, losing our lives to save our lives, denying the calling of the Lord to preserve our reputations. And now we are paying the price, with our religious freedoms being threatened and with some dangerous, uncharted waters ahead should Hillary Clinton be elected.

A Christian leader might protest and say, “You have it all wrong. If things get really rough, then we’ll take a stand. When we’re truly threatened with the loss of our freedoms, then we’ll be courageous.”

That, my friend, is a self-deceived mindset, like a morbidly obese man who says, “It’s true that I can’t get up the stairs without losing my breath, but if I need to run up those stairs, I’ll be ready.”

Not a chance.

As the Lord said to Jeremiah the prophet when he was complaining about the tough times he was experiencing in his hometown of Anathoth, “If you race with the foot-runners and they exhaust you, how then can you compete with horses? If you are secure only in a tranquil land, how will you fare in the jungle of the Jordan?” (Jer. 12:5, New Jewish Publication Society Version)

To apply this to us in America now, if we’re afraid to speak up today because someone will unfriend us on Facebook, what will we do tomorrow when someone puts a gun to our heads? (That gun could be metaphorical or real.)

If we won’t take a stand today for fear of losing some wealthy congregants, what will we do tomorrow when obedience to God will cost us our tax exemption?

If, in our Christian schools today, we won’t address cultural controversies for fear of offending some board members (or drawing the attention of the local accrediting association), what will we do tomorrow when refusing to compromise could mean the complete shutting down of our schools, along with a possible prison sentence?

People of God, it’s time for us to wake up. Do you sense the Lord stirring your heart?

If Donald Trump is our next president, he might well stand up for our religious liberties, helping to push back against the anti-Christian spirit rising in our land. But if we don’t seize the moment and come out of our self-imposed closets, speaking the truth with boldness and love, a far worse fate will come upon us.

And if Hillary Clinton is our next president, you can be sure that you will be in her crosshairs.

What will we do then?

Will we cave in and capitulate, claiming in our pseudo-spiritual language that, “The culture wars are over and God just wants to love others”? Or will we demonstrate real love for God and our neighbor by declaring with Paul, “I eagerly expect and hope that I will in no way be ashamed, but will have sufficient courage so that now as always Christ will be exalted in my body, whether by life or by death”? (See Phil. 1:20, NIV) Note that he wrote this from prison, facing potential martyrdom.

Now is the time to read the stories of men and women of God from past generations (and to this day) who refused to bow down to the gods of this age, laying down their lives rather than denying their Lord.

Now is the time for us to take a determined, uncompromising stand — while it is still light and while the door is still open — before we hang our heads in shame when our kids and grandkids ask us, “What were you afraid of? Why were you so silent? Why did you let this happen to us?”

I’m not counseling anyone to do anything foolish — to provoke some kind of religious conflict or to engage in self-righteous, obnoxious behavior or to respond in a fleshly, emotional way. Instead, I’m urging each of us (in particular those of us in leadership), to do what is right today, to stand for what is true regardless of cost or consequences, walking in the footsteps of Jesus our Lord.

As He warned us repeatedly, “For whoever would save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake and the gospel’s will save it” (see, for example, Mark 8:35, ESV). It’s time we find out exactly what He meant, before the spirit of the world entices us out of our element (like that fox enticing the fish), thereby leading us to our spiritual graves.

In short, to compromise is to shrivel up and die; to obey the Lord at any cost is to flourish and thrive. What will we do? Let us heed the wisdom of an ancient rabbi, and let us shout our message from the rooftops, without shame and without fear. And let us remember again the words of Jesus, who said, “For whoever is ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation, of him will the Son of Man also be ashamed when he comes in the glory of his Father with the holy angels.” (Mark 8:38, ESV)

It’s time that the whole world know that we are not ashamed.

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  • jadedjewels

    I was fired from my job yesterday as another employee, who has gay sons, did NOT like my stance on that “lifestyle”. But I will not be silent in the face of her trying to get my approval..so lost my job, now my question is..what do You have in store for me now Lord?

    • JonathanMcFerry

      So you got fired because you are incapable of being respectful. Knowing what I do of the circumstances, it was justified.

      • Good looking man

        This is a stupid reply. Not condoning or supporting a lifestyle is not the same thing as being respectful. You can respect people without condoning sin.

        • JonathanMcFerry

          No, it’s not a stupid reply. From how I understand it, the author of the comment would not have been fired if they had been capable of respect. So their co-worker has gay sons. What did the author of the comment do? Say, “I don’t agree with that” or proselytize whenever their co-worker mentions her sons? Because I don’t see what else could possibly have led to the OP’s firing, unless their co-worker literally said to them, “See this photo of my gay sons, who are extremely gay, and are also homosexual? Aren’t they great? SAY THEY’RE GREAT. SAY IT.” Which obviously didn’t happen, because that doesn’t happen in the real, adult world. In the adult world we all meet people with whom we do not, or cannot, agree. Mature, well-adjusted people simply smile and move on. The OP was not capable of doing so, and therefore was not a good fit at a workplace which prefers to hire mature, well-adjusted people. The OP’s firing was very justified and I don’t feel sorry for them. End of story.

          • _Steve_

            could have said, “my gay son is getting married to his lover, bill”.
            A natural response would be “I am sorry to hear that”

          • Gregory Peterson

            That’s disgusting.

            If you can’t bring yourself to say “give my congratulations to them,” you can always wish people who are doing you no harm happiness.

          • _Steve_

            Half the Gay men in the US have HIV. Half of the gay men that were known to me throughout my life have died of a Aids related illness. Something surely isn’t right with it.

          • JonathanMcFerry

            Millions of people have also died of malaria. And the Spanish flu. And did you know that straight men and women can also get HIV/AIDS? It’s a horrible plague that must be cured and stopped…just like every other virus and STD in existence. It’s no different, and it’s not specific to gay men.

          • _Steve_

            It’s far more preventable, just eliminate MSM.. and the infection rate goes to almost nil

          • Gregory Peterson

            Let’s just eliminate MSW and cut the chlamydia rate way down, too. After all, you no longer need to actually have sex with a woman to make babies.

          • Kevin Quillen

            put the queers on an island and let them have all the fun they want. Guess what happens in just one generation? Normal????

          • Gregory Peterson

            The Italian Fascists actually did that in 1938. Fascists were the sort of people who would think of such things. History does not honor fascists.

            The resourceful Gay guys did OK and history now honors them.

          • JonathanMcFerry

            So you’re advocating murder now? By that logic we should eliminate everyone with malaria and the disease would surely disappear. You’re a callous, ignorant person.

          • _Steve_

            That has to be the most ignorant post a person can make.

          • Gregory Peterson

            I know people who have died from AIDS related illnesses, though not lately.

            I also know people living with HIV.

            My friends are doing well, thank you, though the diagnosis changed their lives. Because of his diagnosis, for instance, a friend is now finishing up his Ph.D. program in public health. Another became a professional HIV counselor. I tremendously admire and respect both of them for their public service.

            Using STD rates to disparage minority communities who have been burdened with a heavy load of unjust and dangerous minority stress has been done before. Creating minority stress than using the consequences of minority stress to justify creating minority stress perpetuates a dangerous and corrupting cycle of oppression and injustice.

            Minority and close knit communities often have their own health issues not shared to such a degree by the general public as a whole. It’s the price of community, sometimes. Ask university administrators about what gives them nightmares.

            I have, for instance, a genetic disease that’s more prevalent among my ethnic group than among other ethnic groups. Still, since it is a gene mutation, it’s not like people of other ethnicities can’t get it… they just have to be even more unlucky than I have been.

          • Kevin Quillen

            think it through……if you need meds and treatment to save you from the effects of your sexual behavior, something might be wrong with it. Dontcha think?

          • Gregory Peterson

            Still better that then being like you, dontcha think?

            My friends survived the battle with oppression and minority stress with their souls intact. They are now beloved, highly accomplished people who have been honored for their public service.

            You, on the other hand, have thrown your soul away, and for what?

          • JonathanMcFerry

            I don’t say “I’m sorry to hear that” when one of my co-workers mentions going to church or something that happened at church, although I am not a Christian. That’s because I am a mature and well-adjusted person who understands that I do not and will never agree with everyone in the world, and that accepting that fact is a necessary part of becoming a healthy adult. OP is immature and, as I’ve said multiple times, her firing was justified.

          • _Steve_

            Jon is a toilet.

          • imamazed

            You claim to be ” a mature and well-adjusted person” yet you spend a lot of your time commenting with insults and innuendo. You should spend more time studying what it means to be mature and well-adjusted.

          • JonathanMcFerry

            All right, my friend, I’ll get right on that. In the meantime, you should study what the word “innuendo” means, since that’s something you’re apparently ignorant of.

          • Andy Miller

            You also can not read or assimilate what you have read! ” But I will not be silent in the face of her trying to get my approval” The Mother was trying to get her approval you double minded Dummy!

          • JonathanMcFerry

            You appear to be fond of capitalizing random words. That’s a habit they ended in the 1900s, my friend. And I’m kind of hesitant to believe the mother was “trying to get her approval.” For delusional people such as some of the ones that frequent this site, “trying to get my approval” can mean something like “she keeps mentioning her children in front of me and trying to initiate a friendly discussion, the horrible anti-Christian hag!”

          • Andy Miller

            I will use Capitalization anywhere and at anytime I Want TOO, to make my point!
            The key word in the conversation was “Trying to get my approval”!
            Who did you call “the horrible anti-Christian hag”

          • JonathanMcFerry

            Um, your reading comprehension and grammar are both, to put it colloquially, wack. I won’t be responding to you any more. Take your meds.

          • imamazed

            Just because YOU “don’t see what else could possibly have led to the OP’s firing” doesn’t equate to facts. commenting based on speculation is a dangerous road to go down

          • JonathanMcFerry

            And yet, everyone does it, all the time, including you.

        • Gregory Peterson

          Using pernicious stereotypes to create minority stress has been done before.

          Granted, the word “lifestyle” wasn’t much used back in the bad old days, having been popularized in the middle 1970’s, I think.

          Instead of “lifestyle,” they used “racial characteristics.” But both phrases are used to similar effect.

          • imamazed

            You keep using the term minority, yet you claim there are 100 million gays world wide. That is hardly a minority. So are you purposely being deceitful just to make your points seem more valid?

          • Gregory Peterson

            I said a few hundred million worldwide, which would be perhaps 2 to 5 percent of the world’s population. A community which is 2 to 5 percent of a total population, especially one that too often experiences discrimination and oppression, is usually considered to be a minority population.

      • Andy Miller

        I take it you work with her?

        • JonathanMcFerry

          I’m not sure why you would “take” that. I said multiple times that I am judging based on what I know of the circumstances.

          • Andy Miller

            They were at work, if you were not working with them, than it is hearsay!
            If it is hearsay then it is no more “I KNOW of the circumstances” it is you think you KNOW!

          • JonathanMcFerry

            It’s called extrapolation. I would welcome the OP to come over here and tell me the exact circumstances so I can make a fairer judgement, but she’s been mum so far.

    • m-nj

      very sad to hear that… but doesn’t the law cut both ways?… check with the EEOC and see if you can sue (at least as the law now stands) for unlawful discrimination.

      that being said, i think many, many of us are going to face this decision point sooner rather than later… may we be given the grace to stand for God’s truth when it happens.

    • A Cater

      All things work together for good to them that love the Lord. …. don’t worry He knows all about your situation, and allows things to happen for a purpose – maybe in your case He has a better job waiting for you. Reference Matt.6:25-34 and many other scriptures. The household of faith will bear you up in prayer before the Lord

    • Gregory Peterson

      It’s pretty pathetic to disparage loving minority adult relationships as just about a “lifestyle” choice.

      It’s also stereotyping in a very silly way. Worldwide, the evermore interconnected LGBT community probably has a population roughly equal to that of the United States, the third most populous country.

      We’re talking about people from every walk of life, from prince to pauper. Every major religion, even those that oppress them. People who are Fortune 500 CEO’s to those living on the street. From celibate priests to old married couples.

      And they all live the same “lifestyle?”

      Why would you even think that?

      • Gregory Peterson

        I hope you don’t remain unemployed for long. But…do learn some workplace manners.

        And what you don’t do is offer up unsolicited criticism of other people’s children.

        • _Steve_

          No necessarily so. That parent of gay children might ram their acceptance down your throat.

          • Gregory Peterson

            Just to be curious, how would the former coworker have done that?

          • _Steve_

            Human nature. when one opinion conflicts with another’s, it creates discord.
            Just how do you think that coworker that was fired found out the sons of the other were gay?
            “oh, did you know my sons are gay?” “no, i am sorry to hear that”.

          • Gregory Peterson

            What a rude reply.

            “Oh, did you know my sons are gay?”

            The polite reply is: “No, I didn’t.”

          • _Steve_

            Why?
            1) the chances they will lose their child through HIV /AIds is dramatically increased,
            2) aberrant sexual behavior will diminish the prospect of grandchildren

          • Gregory Peterson

            “the chances they will lose their child through HIV /AIds is dramatically increased.”

            Not anymore.

            Gay couples I know are raising children, and doing it well.

          • Andy Miller

            No they aren’t it is someone else child!

          • _Steve_

            60,000 people in the US acquires HIV each year, mostly MSM. People still die.
            “not anymore” is your justifying your aberrant lifestyle, albeit through ignorance.

          • Gregory Peterson

            Yes, the statistics are not good.Yes, people still die.It’s a tragedy. Much needs to be learned and much needs to be done.

            However:

            Your self-righteous creation of dangerous minority stress makes you partially culpable in encouraging that dangerous sense of fatalism and anomie that drive such statistics upward.

            I don’t know what “lifestyle” you think I live, but labeling it as “aberrant” is just the sort of thing that I’m talking about.

          • _Steve_

            Truth is, Call it what you will, but it is aberrant sexual behavior, look up perversion.

          • Gregory Peterson

            English is a very flexible language. You’re using those two words in a pejorative way to justify your sense of superiority over people in a minority community. It’s been done before.

          • _Steve_

            The words are descriptive and fitting.

          • Gregory Peterson

            In the way you’re using them, they’re malicious with the intent to harm.

          • Gregory Peterson

            I studied ‘abnormal sociology.’ Granted, that was almost forty some years ago, but still, I don’t really need a lecture on “aberrant sexual behavior” from the likes of you.

          • Gregory Peterson

            I correctly pointed out that you have exaggerated the dangers of a treated HIV infection.

            Life expectancy in HIV-positive people in the US lags 13 years behind HIV-negative people, according to AIDSmap. It’s apparently not the treated infection itself that is the main cause of the difference, however.

            My guess judging from the stats that I see is that the people who most feel minority stress have less healthy lives in general. If your life feels devalued by society because of your minority status, you are pushed by that sense of societal rejection into a dangerous sense of anomie, leading to dangerous fatalistic behaviors in general.

            Minority stress and poverty shorten lifespans even without having an HIV infection.

          • _Steve_

            No exaggeration. Quality of life is a bit more important than just survival. A friend recently died who had acquired AIDS in the mid 80’s, his life was hell for the most part. Your quoted 13 years of shortened lifespan say little. Your invention of “minority stress” is ludicrous, for poverty coupled malnutrition and substance abuses are better terms.

          • Gregory Peterson

            Oh, this looks interesting. It keywords both ‘minority stress’ and ‘Durkheim. ‘ I’ll print it out and read it tonight. Thanks for the motivation.

            Journal of Community Psychology Explore this journal >
            Journal of Community Psychology

            Volume 33, Issue 3
            May 2005
            Pages 261–282
            Research Article
            Racial differences in adolescent distress: Differential effects of the family and community for blacks and whites
            Authors
            K.A.S. Wickrama,
            Samuel Noh,
            Chalandra M. Bryant

          • Gregory Peterson

            As to quality of life and positive HIV status, we should all live like a wealthy acquaintance of mine (who is even a few years older than my senior self, as I like to remind him), or for that matter, Magic Johnson.

            Having a genetic chronic disease, which like HIV, was once a very horrible way to die but which, while incurable, is now quite treatable, I would remind people that dealing with one is no fun at all, no matter what the quality of your life is otherwise.

          • Andy Miller

            If the mother shut up about it than I would say it would have ben the end of it!

          • Gregory Peterson

            Right… demanding that minority people be silent and invisible, thereby being complicit in their own oppression, has worked so wonderfully before.

            I think not.

          • imamazed

            no one is demanding silence (although some times it is prudent to be so), but if you speak, do not be shocked if you get a reply you don’t like. No one has a right to not be offended by others.

          • Gregory Peterson

            Indeed, which is why I speak up against the oppression and injustice against my LGBT brothers and sisters.

          • Kevin Quillen

            the correct answer is “I’ll pray for him to be delivered from it”

          • Gregory Peterson

            I suggest that you pray for yourself.

          • JonathanMcFerry

            No one says “Oh, did you know my sons were gay?” That’s not something that happens. Instead, what probably really happened was that the mother briefly mentioned one of her sons having a boyfriend or male partner, and the OP jumped on it like a frat boy on a beer keg and started ranting and frothing at the mouth like a rabid fox.

        • Andy Miller

          You give a good example why the heathen win. #1 you don’t retain what you read or you can not assimilate it! #2 It was Jaded Jewels that was fired! #3 It was the mother bugging her! ” But I will not be silent in the face of her trying to get my approval”

          • Gregory Peterson

            I wished that jadedjewels would not be unemployed for long, which suggests that I had realized that she had been fired from her job.

            “But I will not be silent in the face of her trying to get my approval..”

            How was the mother of the Gay sons doing that? What motivated her to try to do that in the first place? How did jadedjewels respond?

          • Andy Miller

            I would say the mother said my son is gay and was born that way so he can not help it!

          • Gregory Peterson

            Why would you argue with that, even if you disagreed?

            I would hope the mother wouldn’t have said the “so he can not help it” part. You don’t need to apologize for and explain your, or your child’s, sexual orientation as most everyone has a sexual orientation.

            Your sexual orientation is simply a given. Enjoy it, whatever it is, lovingly and responsibly.

            Gay is many things, a worldwide, evermore interconnected community of a few hundred million, one of our self-identifiers and identities, and a declaration of personal integrity and authenticity in the face of an often cruel and oppressive world.

            Why would you condemn personal integrity?

          • Andy Miller

            You call being homosexual a personal integrity, God calls it an abomination!

          • Gregory Peterson

            God does not. You’re just demanding that God hate what you hate.

          • imamazed

            BS a few hundred million!! once again, share the source of your information so we can all be educated.

          • Gregory Peterson

            Well, there are 7.4 billion people in the world according to the excessively handy Wikipedia.

            I see that the Williams Institute on Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity Law and Public Policy of the UCLA School of Law estimates that 3.8% of the population are LGBT people. I am presuming that they are a reliable source and that the percentage holds roughly steady across the world.

            I plugged in 3.8% in the handy internet percentage calculator and got 281,200,000.

            If the LGBT community was a single country, it would currently be the forth most populous one, larger than Indonesia (255,993,674) and less than the USA (321,368,864). Population stats are from Infoplease.

          • Kevin Quillen

            if 96.2% of people act in a certain fashion then the 3.8% who are different are in fact “abnormal”. That is to say “queer”. It is not “normal” for same sex to have sex. It is sin. We must stop all PC garbage and speak plainly. Use the word queer when speaking of queers. We must not condone or legitimize sin.

          • Gregory Peterson

            I guess that you love calling left handed people abnormal sinners, too.

            A minority sexual orientation is simply a minority sexual orientation.

            Disparaging minority relationships as just being about sex and sin has been done before. I would suggest that you stop recycling old racist rants against the “unnatural sin of miscegenation” like the white Evangelicals of my youth.

          • _Steve_

            Believe it, it might be true.. or maybe a failure in the environment/ child rearing.

          • Gregory Peterson

            “a failure in the environment/ child rearing” was disproved some fifty years or so ago.

          • _Steve_

            BS

          • Gregory Peterson

            I get it. You prefer blaming parents you don’t know for their children that you hate.

          • _Steve_

            Not just parents, not even parents: environment.. you put a bunch of rats in a box and they do despicable things.

          • Gregory Peterson

            That’s so despicable, comparing law abiding, tax paying minority people with rats in a box.

          • imamazed

            by who, share your source

          • Gregory Peterson

            It’s been awhile since I’ve studied that, but Dr. Evelyn Hooker’s research in the 1950’s comes to mind. You can start there if you’re really interested.

            Bad parenting and a broken environment can make you neurotic and unhappy, I would think, but I doubt that it makes you Gay anymore than it would make you left handed.

          • imamazed

            commenting based on speculation is a dangerous road to go down

  • Terry Mather

    What is truth in this election? It can not be found. Therefore we stand possibly in the light of persecution. The answer is Gods love and probably greater sacrifice.

    • Andy Miller

      You have not looked for the truth!

    • imamazed

      The truth is that Hillary stands for abortion, wants her supreme court justice nominees to stand for abortion, and if at all possible she will force American tax payers to pay for those abortions. I will vote to stop her and that stance.

  • spadestick

    Do not take the risk of staying at home or 3rd party, vote for Pence. This is a serious risk, human lives are at stake.

  • William Berlinger

    In “An Ancient Rabbi Brings an Urgent Warning to Christian Leaders Today”, Michael Brown says that Christians must stand for the truth. If Christians are going to have the power to obey this, they must be very clear where their hope stands. Is it in this world system, or is it in the Kingdom of God? The gospel of Jesus Christ is the power of God unto salvation for them that believe.

    What is the gospel? Is it that God wants you to have more comfortable life here on the earth? Not really. The early disciples taught that it is through much tribulation that we must enter into the kingdom of God (Acts 14:22) Also, if we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us: (2Timothy 2:12).

    Is the gospel the “American dream” of getting ahead by using Biblical principles of hard work and integrity? What about those who have adhered to these principles and are being persecuted?

    A clue to the answer is what Jesus said,” My peace I give to you, not as the world gives, my peace I give to you.” Jesus promised that the Christian will be hated by the world and therefore will not have to depend upon peace as the world defines it; but Christ will give the Christian His peace, a peace that the world won’t understand.

    The gospel is history. It is God’s message documenting what His Son Jesus Christ actually said and accomplished in history. Jesus called sinners to repentance. Today, He calls all people everywhere to repent and believe in Him (Acts 17:30). Jesus died on a cross for the sins of them who believe. He took upon Himself the shame and guilt caused by human failure to obey God. Then, He was raised from the dead for the justification of them that believe.

    Believers are united to Christ and receive Christ’s righteousness as a free gift. They also receive the forgiveness of sins. They receive the Spirit of Christ, the Obedient One, who while here on earth, grew up just as we do, yet without sin, and was perfectly obedient to His heavenly Father in all things. He was without sin: not for Himself, but for those who believe. Those who believe know this because they could not do it for themselves. It is the gift of God. None of them can present themselves before a holy and righteous God. But Jesus presented Himself to God on their behalf. God the Father has set His seal on Jesus Christ. His blood cleanses from all sin.

    This is the good news of the gospel of Jesus Christ. But this is not all. Christ will return to judge every human being on the last day of Judgment. Those who are united to Christ will receive incorruptible bodies and for eternity will live and reign with Christ.

    This world system of today is very enticing. It attracts with its glamour. It also threatens those who are not part of it. But this world is passing away. It will be utterly destroyed and the kingdom of God will replace it. May we not be deceived by the attraction nor the threatenings of this world, for our hope cannot be in this world; our hope is in the Kingdom of God where Christ shall have put all of His enemies under His feet.

    It is our task to warn those in love with this world system that there is a perishing to avoid and a salvation to be had only through faith in Jesus Christ. Jesus admonishes his followers today not to fear those who can kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But fear God who can destroy both body and soul into hell (Matthew 10:28).

  • Patmos

    “For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth” -Romans 1:16

    Believers let your thoughts and deeds be accompanied with the POWER of The Holy Spirit, a power that speaks the truth in love, a power that does not bend or break. Let that POWER fill your spirit, and you will bear witness to The Holy Spirit as a natural outflow. Be strong in the Lord and the power of HIS might, Paul wrote to the church at Ephesus. For if God is for you who can be against you?

  • Sadie Ward

    Evan McMullin seems to fit what is needed far more than the two major party candidates. This just backs up another reason why I vote for Evan. #WhyIVote4Evan #McMullinFinn2016

    • Gregory Peterson

      Trump is the clear choice of the Republican primary voters and caucus goers, Though Mr. McMullin is a respected Republican functionary, he likely wouldn’t have gone far in the primaries.

      • Sadie Ward

        Not a Republican. I vote principles over party 😉

    • imamazed

      Hillary thanks you for your support

      • Sadie Ward

        I’d vote her before Trump, but no. A vote for Evan is only a vote for Evan. In Utah, where I will be voting, my vote for Evan will be better for your precious Trump than if I voted for Hillary, which is where my vote would have gone had Evan not stood up.

        • imamazed

          wrong again. Trump is not “precious” to me, I voted for Ted Cruz. But guess what? he didn’t win. I will support the party to keep Clinton out of the white house where she would use her power to destroy our liberty. I live in Utah also and every vote that goes to McMullin is just another chance for him to take the electoral votes from the republican party candidate and stop him from getting to 270. Hillary doesn’t have a chance in our state so she is losing nothing by your choice. Like I said, Hillary thanks you for your support. PENCE/Trump 2016….neverclinton

          • Sadie Ward

            I’m voting for Evan. I don’t care if you think that helps Hillary as I would vote for her before I’d ever vote for Donald. I cannot support someone who treats women like objects and flip flops on everything he says from day to day. He’s a bigger liar than Hillary, and she’s pretty awful. I’m voting principle over party. McMullin has the best chance to take the state against Trump. If Evan is able to throw the election to the House by taking the Utah electoral votes, then since the Republicans hold the house, it’ll be between Trump and Evan for presidency. That helps Trump more than me voting for Hillary would, and since those are the only two options for me, I would think you’d be satisfied. I cannot support anyone who supports Trump. I’m completely elated to be able to NOT vote Hillary OR Trump and vote for someone I believe in. I applaud you for voting your conscience as well even though our views don’t match up. That’s what this country is all about after all 🙂

  • Elmer Jorgensen

    Joe Paggs once noted that those who claim to be Christian and yet go along with abortion or gay marriage are not really Christian. The scriptures speak against both, but we don’t like to offend, we like to consider ourselves to be in step with society and more and more, we just can’t do that and remain true to our convictions.

    • Gregory Peterson

      “The scriptures speak against both…”

      No, it doesn’t.

    • Andy Miller

      I think you touched on the problem. “Claim to be Christian” That is the problem today people call themselves “Christ Like” I would say none of us are Christ like just Sinners saved by the Grace of Christ!

    • Gregory Peterson

      I’m pretty sure that the Gay pastors I know are Christian, and, they’re exemplars of Christian love, service and learning.

      • Andy Miller

        So you are saying Jesus Christ was gay? Or am I missing something!

        • Gregory Peterson

          “Gay” is a 20th Century social construct and community. I wrote about the pastors I know who are also Gay, not Jesus himself.

          Jesus wasn’t a woman, but there are women who are exemplars of Christian love, service and learning as well, such as my own cousin, a retired minister.

          I wouldn’t speculate on Jesus’ sexual orientation, though since he was fully human, I would presume that he had one.

          However, ancient people didn’t seem to think along those lines anyway. They tended to think along the lines of sex roles, and usually in what are now sexist stereotypes ways.

          • Andy Miller

            Here are people 2,000 years ago and I can provide references to you of people 6,000 years ago and Jesus being God was not pleased with any of them!
            Romans 1:
            20 For
            the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly
            seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal
            power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:

            21 Because
            that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were
            thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart
            was darkened.

            22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

            23 And
            changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to
            corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping
            things.

            24 Wherefore
            God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own
            hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

            25 Who
            changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the
            creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

            26 For
            this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women
            did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

            27 And
            likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in
            their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is
            unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error
            which was meet.

            28 And
            even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave
            them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not
            convenient;

            29 Being
            filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness,
            maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity;
            whisperers,

            30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

            31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

            32 Who
            knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are
            worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do

            I think that is what we have in the White House now and will continue if Hillary is elected!
            them.

          • Gregory Peterson

            Using ripped out of historical and intratextual contexts “proof texts” to create dangerous and unjust minority stress has been done before.

            Paul didn’t write chapter and verse. Romans 2 was seamlessly integrated with Romans 1 and you can’t understand one without the other.

            The context, which you conveniently ignore, was ancient Roman pagan life and creating a new Messiah believing identity, not sexual orientations.

            Disparaging loving minority adult relationships as just being about sinful lusts has been done before, and did nobody any good.

            Verse 27 is also now disgustingly sexist.

          • Andy Miller

            OK we will go back 6,000 years!
            Ezekiel 16:49-50
            declares, “Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her
            daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the
            poor and needy. They were haughty and did detestable
            things before me…” The Hebrew word translated “detestable” refers to
            something that is morally disgusting and is the exact same word used in Leviticus 18:22 that refers to homosexuality as an “abomination.” Similarly, Jude 7 declares, “…Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding towns gave themselves up to sexual immorality and perversion.”
            So, again, while homosexuality was not the only sin in which the cities
            of Sodom and Gomorrah indulged, it does appear to be the primary reason
            for the destruction of the cities.

          • Gregory Peterson

            If you can’t tell the difference between gang rape and loving adult relationships, I fear for you.

          • Gregory Peterson

            “Leviticus 18:22 that refers to homosexuality as an “abomination.”

            No it doesn’t. The context of Lev. 18 is made fairly clear in the opening verses. Don’t do as the Egyptians and the Canaanites do. (Which their descendants have long stopped doing anyway.)

            What they did was worship fertility cult gods like Molech. I think that verse 18:22 describes on of the rituals, a male “seed” sacrifice to the fertility god. The ritual involved laying with a cross dressing priest who would help the man facilitate his male “seed” sacrifice to the god.

            “Detestable things” and “abominations” refers to ceremonially unclean things, rituals and objects associated with idol worship, such as to the fertility cult god Molech..

            Jude 7 doesn’t refer to “homosexuality” either. By the way, white people of ill will use to use Jude 7 as a proof text against the “unnatural sin of miscegenation.”

            You wrote why the Cities on the Plain were destroyed, but you didn’t read it.

            Ezekiel 16:49-50 declares, “Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. They were haughty and did detestable things before me…”

            Gang rape of strangers is about as inhospitable as it gets.

            In any case, why would a Gay man want to sleep with a man as with a woman? However, a straight man like you might… so don’t.

          • Andy Miller

            Your Question “why would a Gay man want to sleep with a man” Why do you?

          • Gregory Peterson

            Why would you ask such question? Other than being an jerk, of course.

  • “To apply this to us in America now, if we’re afraid to speak up today
    because someone will unfriend us on Facebook, what will we do tomorrow
    when someone puts a gun to our heads? (That gun could be metaphorical or
    real.)…”

    “And if Hillary Clinton is our next president, you can be sure that you will be in her crosshairs.”

    Dr B – do you really believe that Christians will be shot by Hillary Clinton? Amd if that’s not what you meant when you wrote “the gun..could be real” and “you will be in the crosshairs”, what exactly do you mean?

    • Kevin Quillen

      really obvious zoe. Are you trying to cause controversy? Or something more serious?

      • I’m trying to determine if it’s hyperbole – bearing false witness – or paranoid psychosis. Or a misunderstanding.

    • pbt777

      I guess you neglected to read the accompanying article the author linked to. All I have to say is Hosea 4:6, “My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge.” Stop being brain washed by the system of the world. Amos 8:11 reads, “Behold, the days are coming,” says the Lord God, “That I will send a famine on the land, Not a famine of bread, Nor a thirst for water, But of hearing the words of the Lord.” Tell me that famine is not evident today. You are certainly an example of that famine.

      • Gregory Peterson

        Let’s see, the internet has innumerable religious websites for Christian churches, denominations, preachers, Christian laity commentators and religious writers, professional and amateur, There are multiple Christian networks on my TV. There are multiple Christian radio stations on my dial. People give me religious tracts while I wait for the bus to work and back.

        Even though three of the 10 Commandments were used as “proof texts” by pro-slavery Evangelicals back when my great grandfather’s were young, there nevertheless is a 10 Commandments monument on the courthouse lawn where my mother lives (which is across the street to a monument to a town founder who famously bought his teen slave mistress.)

        Then there are the religious shows on mainstream media, from infomercial types to serious .

        So there is hardly a famine of hearing the words of the Lord.

  • Kevin Quillen

    churches should forgo tax exemption and speak truth to power, encourage votes for Christian candidates and stand strong for God. The time is now. Never give in to tyranny, say no to unjust laws.

  • Brandy Goodnow

    I think we are missing the bigger picture. We as a nation have turned our back on God. We are starting to reap what’s been sown. God makes it very clear through His Word that if we turn from His ways, His commandments, precepts, instructions, laws He will send warnings (like a father to a child He loves) but if we do turn back, we do not listen and obey Him, we just continue to rebel, then curses will follow because we have become lawless…….Romans 1:18-32. Things are going to get rough sadly. We need to really dig into His Word to understand how to love our God and once again obey (under His governance as it is sweeter than honey psalm 119)…….then blessings will follow.

    • _Steve_

      The Torah documents man turning his back on god and elevating man.

      • Brandy Goodnow

        Amen! 🙂 The Torah is Hebrew for instructions, the Word. God gave us the instructions in the first 5 books of the Bible on how to love Him, obey Him and how to love others.

    • Andy Miller

      Ezekiel 22:30 King James Version
      And
      I sought for a man among them, that should make up the hedge, and stand
      in the gap before me for the land, that I should not destroy it: but I
      found none.
      Mr. Trump may not be what you want, but which president in the last century was what you would want? He is the only one that has dedicated al of his energy to fighting the wickedness and evil we have in Washington! All you do is talk about things wrong with him! Look in the mirror which of the ten commandments haven’t you broken? Which one of you have not had alcohol touch your lips? How many preachers can say they never had a drink in there life time, I would guess it is less than 5%!
      It is time we stand behind the man that is taking it head on for us!

      • Brandy Goodnow

        I noticed you commented about Trump. I didn’t mention him nor were my comments about him. As an fyi I voted for Trump. Did you read all of Ezekiel 22? If not, you should as it is about Israel turning their back on God. We are heading in the exact same direction unfortunately.

      • Oliver Roach

        So, if you don’t mind me asking, can you list three things that Trump has done to fight the wickedness and evil in Washington? I am not trying to question your judgement, but just wanted to know what the actions of Trump you are referring to as fighting in Washington.

        • Andy Miller

          Number one send Hillary to jail would be a start. He has helped many people with the money someone allowed him to earn!

  • Oliver Roach

    So let me get this straight, if as a Christian I don’t vote for Trump, all hell is going to break loose beyond the power of a Sovereign God, who in His dismay retreat to the heavens and allow us all to perish in the cross hairs of Clinton’s policies? So, tell me Mr. Roach, in all your eloquence about the the pitfalls of Clinton, how come the whole article doesn’t once mention one good point about your presumptive alternate Trump? If you want use to vote for Trump, could please add three-four Godly points to your article as to why he should be considered? Also, while you are at it explain how Rudy Giuliani can explain his infidelities by saying that its okay because he does confession? Catholics, if you are not outraged by this comment then, you have received your reward and there really is not much for you in heaven. And Dr. Carson said that it was all locker room talk, and didn’t condone it. Yes, I can just imagine that the good doctor reads his bible and imagines Jesus and his disciples just being guys and having the same locker room talk. If you are more outraged by your political ambitions being trampled upon than the name of Christ being dragged through the filth of political bickering, you deserve to be caught in the crossfire of God’s judgement. You know what is the lesson of the ransacking of Jerusalem? It is that God has no issues for his people to suffer through fire, just so that the righteous can rise again.

    • pbt777

      If you are a TRUE Christian you cannot possibly vote for Clinton or any establishment politician. The Democratic platform of abortion and acceptance of any lifestyle should be enough to wake you up. Now, I am not suggesting Trump is by any means a true Christian or that he would be a good president, but if you have any inkling of where the establishment (Democrat and Republican) is taking us (toward the prophesied one world government or have you not been reading your Bible?) then a vote for Trump is a vote not to change the course of where the world is headed, because, again, prophecy tells us where we are going, it is standing up to the world system that is corrupt and only out to cater to those who have designed the system. The paradigm of left and right, democrat and republican is just a game they playing with us. They (the elite of the world, those in the dark shadows) have an agenda that doesn’t include us little people. Time to WAKE UP!! And as for my house, we will vote for Jesus!!

      • Andy Miller

        You are the dumbest one of the whole bunch, saying Trump is part of the New World System started by Daddy Bush loved by all of you!

      • Nelson Banuchi

        Oh, so evidence of being-born is whether or not one votes for Trump?

      • Oliver Roach

        Okay, so now you are saying that voting for Trump is voting for Jesus? Do you even read your Bible, have you read the book of Revelations, do you think that Trump has the spiritual capacity to even head your church? If you are so convicted of Trump’s strength as a spiritual head, please nominate him to be your new pastor and leader of children ministry, because that is what in essence you are saying. Because when he is the leader of your church, you will shut the door to the Hispanic population, to the African-Americans, to those of other faith who seek Christ and to those women in abused relationships. If that is the image of Christ you follow and serve, you need to ask yourself some hard questions.

    • Andy Miller

      So you sir have never spoken so called locker room talk?

      • Oliver Roach

        No Sir, I haven’t. And in those cases where some of the people felt so inclined to start the locker room talk, they duly toned down their rhetoric because they knew me and my conviction of faith in Christ. So, if those around Trump and Dr. Carson think that its okay to continue and talk the crass talk, it means to me that neither of the men are held in high esteem or respected for their strong faith.

        • Andy Miller

          It only tells me you lived a holy life or were saved at age 4!

  • Nelson Banuchi

    “… will we demonstrate real love for God and our neighbor… ?”

    From the context of this article, it seems you are saying that “we demonstrate *real* love for God and neighbor” by voting for Trump.

    I am voting for neither candidate and, I’m sorry to say, I can’t disagree with you more; and from my perspective, this article’s argument is flawed because, in trying to convince the Christian community to vote for Trump, it ignores doing what one’s conscience dictates.

    If I voted for Trump (or Hillary), I would be ashamed.

    • Andy Miller

      So who are you going to vote for?

      • Nelson Banuchi

        Writing Paul Ryan’s name on ballot.

        • imamazed

          then you are not helping anyone but yourself. You certainly aren’t helping to guide the nation in a less destructive direction. Only by voting for someone who actually has a chance of winning and thus leading the nation in their chosen direction can you take an active part in helping the nation. For that, you should be ashamed.

          • Nelson Banuchi

            Aside from the judgment against my moral character – “you are not helping anyone but yourself In your opinion” – your *opinion* is appreciated even if I disagree.

          • Nelson Banuchi

            “then you are not helping anyone but yourself.”

            ???

            And why are you voting as you vote if not for personal advantage (possibly hidden behind some self-righteous reason). In any case, if I were voting for personal advantage, I guess I would vote for Trump. However, my conscience tells me otherwise. And, as far as I’m concerned, you are only helping to facilitate that “destructive direction” by voting for Trump.

            But, being that it’s a free country, go ahead and vote for Trump under the delusion that he’s for America and that your intentions in voting for him are wholly free of selfish intent.

            I still remain convinced that, at the least, the Trump motto ought to be, “Make America Goofy Again.”

  • Harmless Immigrant

    There never has been a Presidential candidate in America as evil as Hillary Clinton. She is corrupt and so is the government.

    She could perform an abortion on the steps of the capitol herself and her evil hypocritical minions would cheer her on.

    She in a modern day Jezebel. She is is about as Christian as Barack Hussein Obama.

    I will take my chances with voting for a Nationalist who appears to be going through a humbling and repentant time.

    • Eethp Plur

      That was dumb and you should feel bad.

      • Bigeasy Johnson

        Gee Eethp!!
        You mean sensible comments from “Harmless Immigrant” can scare you so much that you have to mock her? Is that part of “the great love and understanding” we hear about coming out of the LGBT community? “Hey Harmless Immigrant, you’re supporting Trump so you’re dumb!”
        Wow, what a close minded hypocrite you are! Better check yourself dude – your hatred is showing! Oh, wait a minute…so is HilLIARY’s….for everything lawful.
        I’m with Harmless Immigrant – I’ll support a Nationalist dedicated to preserving our Constitution over an Alinsky disciple looking to turn us into socialist Europe every single time!
        -bigeasy

        • Eethp Plur

          Before I read your comment, the original comment was the dumbest thing I’d read all day; now you’ve taken that honor.

          I award you no internets, take this time to reflect on what you’ve done.

        • Gregory Peterson

          Those are sensible comments? Sec. Clinton is like Jezebel?

          I’m pretty sure that Sec. Clinton, a devout United Methodist, does not encourage Baal and Asherah worship. I’m certain that she doesn’t approve of using blasphemy laws to kill landowners to steal their land.

          I know someone with a name similar to the Pres. who is an ordained Christian minister and I know a couple of Muslims with names similar to mine. Her making a big point of using the Pres. rather common middle name, Hussein, suggests a bigoted motive.

          By the way, the President’s father had changed his name to ‘Barack’ when he converted to Anglicism while in missionary school. Anglicans are Christians, you know, even if his father didn’t remain one.

          Reading Dr. Brown and the commentators here gives me some deep sympathy with his decision to leave the faith.

    • Oliver Roach

      “Reagan used an astrologer and her name was Joan Quigley.

      Nancy Reagan downplayed Quigley’s influence when news that the first family had an astrologer was met with a firestorm of criticism and jokes. But the scorned Aries astrologer struck back. Reagan, who said she was highly embarrassed by the revelation (payments to Quigley had been made through a third party to try to keep the relationship secret), wrote in her 1989 book, “While astrology was a factor in determining Ronnie’s schedule, it was never the only one, and no political decision was ever based on it.”

      But there was debate over exactly how much influence Quigley actually had. She claimed a bigger role in her 1990 book, “What Does Joan Say?: My Seven Years As White House Astrologer to Nancy and Ronald Reagan.”

  • Gregory Peterson

    “And if Hillary Clinton is our next president, you can be sure that you will be in her crosshairs.”

    So, given what you linked to in your paranoid style “crosshairs” choice of words. I take it that you approve of ‘deep-seated cultural codes, religious beliefs and structural biases have to be changed” which are more than merely intolerant of Christians, as well as those which have erected obstacles to enhancing the education, health and well being of women and girls.

  • _Steve_

    What a crock!

  • Maggie

    God’s ways are not our ways. The Lord has used many people to accomplish His great works who were NOT morally upstanding. It’s not up to us to judge others. It’s up to the Lord to guide us, and up to Him to use the new president for HIS glory and honor. Period. Voting Hillary ushers in the antichrist.

  • Eethp Plur

    The fact that Christians in the US could ever claim to be persecuted is beyond laughable. I understand you view not being able to impose your will on and discriminate against others is persecution. I also understand it’s hard for you to grasp that we live in a secular country, but come on.

    You realize Christians make up roughly 71% of the population of the US, and that almost every President and member of Congress has been a Christian? It’s hard enough for Jews to win an election in this country, much less Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, or atheists.

    Sorry, but allowing gay people to have rights in a secular society isn’t persecution. If you want to see religious persecution, you should visit the Middle East, Africa, or parts of Southern Asia.

    • Gary Whiteman

      zzzzzzzzzzzzz

      All atheists sound alike – childish, shrill, and boring.

      • Eethp Plur

        Actually I’m Jewish. But go on, whine to me about persecution.

        • Gary Whiteman

          Yep, 3 of them on the Supreme Court. Clearly Jews are despised in America.

          • Eethp Plur

            You’ve unwittingly just proved my point.

    • windskisong

      Truly, Christians in the U. S.have minimal understanding of persecution compared to Christians in Muslim or atheist authoritarian states, or Jews throughout history.
      However, I don’t think any observer of American political trends can deny that persecution on a smaller scale and impact is coming, and is happening.

  • BarbaraCharis

    Agreed it is time to take a stand now..The Establishment wants to eliminate the Ten Commandments…which were a code of conduct for man to live by. We need rules to live by. The Commandments tell us…Do Not Kill! Do not Steal! Do not commit Adultery! Honor thy Father and Mother! Do not bear False Witness…etc. Is there something wrong with these rules? Why are they being removed from buildings? I am not into organized religion, but I read the Bible…and pray for guidance as to the truth of what I am reading. The Bible is not 100% valid…The Bible was added to over many hundred of years. King James hired 50 noblemen to add 500 pages – and the men who wrote were literate, but not spiritual men. Being a history buff and knowing how people lived thousands of years ago…mostly illiterate, poor, and writing material was hard to come by, unless you were wealthy…much of the Bible is fiction. When the Messiah came along he boiled down the Ten Commandments into Two…hoping to make it easier for people to follow them. Matthew 22: 35-40, these two were very simple and would have totally changed the world. Go Direct.. to Our Father…love our Creator….and #2 Love all the Creations of our Father. He said on these Two Commandments..HUNG ALL THE LAW …they would take away the need for all the millions of law that have been put in the books. The Messiah did not say…”I am dying for your sins”…He said, “As ye sow so shall ye reap.” He said that the truth shall set you free. People need to read for themselves, ask for guidance, and not follow middlemen with an agenda. You are good enough to go direct!

    • Maggie

      The Bible is not fiction. It is the infallible word of God. God used men over centuries to write the 66 books of the Bible, and those men were divinely inspired-by God.

      • Gregory Peterson

        Of course, other Christian traditions have more than 66 books in the Bible. I think that the Ethiopian Orthodox has the largest Bible canon.

        Unless you’re God, you can’t know if anything is infallible.Given some of the translations being cranked out today to bash “homosexuals,” I have serious doubts about some of them.

    • Gregory Peterson

      Of course the white antebellum pro-slavery Evangelicals used three of the ten commandments as proof texts that God had ordained slavery as God’s law, and therefore, the abolitionists, evangelical or not, were anti-God and anti-Bible.

      This wasn’t in ancient times. Two of my great grandfathers were children back then.

      Two of commandments used as pro-slavery proof texts are fairly obvious, but you need to know the structure of patriarchal households to get the third.

      So given American history, maybe it’s not a good idea to have Bible verses which reference slavery in government buildings.

  • Gregory Kornichuk

    I fear no man, no government, no leader of men, nor will I ever bend my knee to any man. I have since my birth into the kingdom of G-D, through the grace of G-D, and the gospel of my Lord Yahshuah The Mashiach always fearlessly and with great zeal declared the Word of Truth. There is no man on earth nor angel in heaven that has the the power to stop the Word of G-D from going forth!! I will do as I have always done and declare the Word of Truth boldly.

  • BarbaraCharis

    The King James Bible has 1834 pages…in the early 1600s King James had 50 noblemen add 500 pages. King James was far from spiritual…I read about his life. He wanted to consolidate his position as King of England by having this Bible written with his name on it…and he also lent his Scottish name James to 2 of the disciples…it was a vanity piece. In the 1450’s the first printed bible was the Gutenburg Bible in Germany…it was written in Latin. When Wycliffe and others printed it in English in the 1500s the Roman Catholic church murdered a number of Englishmen to stop it.. They wanted to keep the layperson from being able to read it. It was about 1346 pages The New Testament was written over a period of 1450 years; many people contributed to the Bible; few were that spiritual. Their qualification to write the Bible… they were literate at a time, when most people did not know how to read or write. Remember The Messiah did not write the Bible…it was based on his words and actions. His message was the purest…and it was not emphasized. If people had simply gone direct…to love their Father. ask for guidance and be obedient..and loved their fellow beings…there would not be a need for 10 million laws. Check out: Matthew 22: 35-40.

  • GeneR

    “I’m not counseling anyone to do anything foolish — to provoke some kind of religious conflict or to engage in self-righteous, obnoxious behavior or to respond in a fleshly, emotional way. Instead, I’m urging each of us (in particular those of us in leadership), to do what is right today, to stand for what is true regardless of cost or consequences, walking in the footsteps of Jesus our Lord.” So, you have left yourself an out. You have stirred people’s heart to action and then handcuffed them from taking any action that could be appropriate in the case of righteous indignation. After all, we’re taught Jesus was a man full of love and compassion. He would never hurt anyone’s feelings or protest against the establishment, and if he did it would be a peaceful demonstration and not violent. Hmm….I wonder what bible many are reading these days. We’ve created a Jesus that’s more of a 60’s hippie, Woodstock going, pot smoking, peace loving, go along-get -along, I’m okay-you’re okay, anti-establishment, no accountability savior. Wow! If that isn’t idolatry, I don’t know what is. The Jesus I read about in the bible openly confronted the corruption of the Pharisees, not in nice terms but in an epic rant. This same man is one who got so angry about what was happening at the temple that he actually fashioned a whip (a weapon) and drove out the money changers, turning over their tables and causing a general riot. Ecclesiastes 3 tells us there is a time for everything under the sun; a time to be born and a time to die, a time to plant and a time to uproot, a time to kill and a time to heal, a time to tear down and a time to build, a time to weep and a time to laugh, a time to mourn and a time to dance, a time to scatter stones and a time to gather them, a time to embrace and a time to refrain from embracing, a time to search and a time to give up, a time to keep and a time to throw away, a time to tear and a time to mend, a time to be silent and a time to speak, a time to love and a time to hate, a time for war and a time for peace. What time have we come to in this country? I honestly don’t know. However, I will never try to back anyone into a corner through intellectual dishonesty and that’s what Michael Brown has done with this article. Yes, he advises followers of Christ to rise up in courage, but doesn’t want them to be confrontational nor bold in their stance, just be a 60’s peace loving hippie that says, “It’s cool man, take what you want. Do what you want.” Troubled times are coming no matter who wins the election. I agree with him that it’s time (actually past time) we stand up now and let our voices, our money and our strength be felt now. There is a great book many here ought to read. It’s a true story and very convicting. The title is, “The Insanity of God,” by Nik Ripken. Check it out.

  • Ergo Sepp

    You people do not even understand laws of God and words of Jesus, therefore your death would be worthless.
    Meaning of the law – made way – Jesus left for mankind.
    Jesus confirmed it is impossible to live according to laws – made ways – of God in this world but in Kingdom of Heaven everything is possible. The meaning of a law: You shall love your surrounding people as yourself means: You have to teach everyone as you would like to be teached; you must work for everyone as you would work for yourself. If a person teaches ideas which are not from God and claims these to be absolute truth, then he / she teaches evil. Human organism has constructed to live in truth – it can not live in lie – human organism will punish its owner (mind and body) by lack of energy after experiencing some temporary excited state of mind and will cause disfunction of a body. All human beings know which are fruits of experiencing evil – if something / someones actions are not truthful / according to our understanding about truth – these are shivers of fear, rush of energy in stomach with desire to stop / influence evil activity, tears in eyes which disfunction our vision, feeling complete depression in stomach – feels like anger and dissapointment turns in our stomach (- it is so because of this yellow organ in our stomach is an energy station – a battery-) – weakness of legs / arms / head, disfunction to make a sound – to say, to whistle and complete disfunction of a body while person can not stand or to do anything much but to wobble… If a person teaches what is from God, his / her body gets adrenaline rush of positive energy and every time he / she reminds that moment. The “quality time” is actually when you are talking on the ruins of civilization about God with person who is almost capable to understand about what you are talking. The issue and meaning with working for other person as you would work for your self has two meanings. God commanded the weak to say the truth and not to join the bigger herd which is not expressing truth. Function of a poor is to work for the rich as they would work for themselves – not cheating – lying, not making differences between self and other people, to say what is the truth and to earn their ticket for the Kingdom of Heaven meanwhile the prize of the rich is all they can have temporarily in this world. Poor people are not allowed to lend money for the rich people but the rich are commanded to loan for those people who can not pay back. God does not care about money as greedy people desire to think and to express but about mindsets behind activities. Other meaning by working for other people as working for self is this: You have to get along with other people -if you desire to breed, the wealth must remain into family -you can not marry with neighbors daughter when your parents hate each other and command you to hate each other. People who express their foolish choices always have manipulated other people to carry their wagon of their ideology. If manipulation is not successful, they start expressing antipropaganda and brute violence without understanding all they do is expressing own or other persons foolish choices. Of course Jesus told it almost two thousands years ago – at the end of days marrying is not desirible any more and love has waxed cold on these days we happen to live – there is no reason to marry and to born children into this savage world any more. People who do not understand what Jesus said re-present that law as: “Do not do for other people what you would not desire other people to do for you.” It is so because they do not understand what Jesus said and their version is NEGATIVE FORM from it – they do not desire to love surrounding people but they are capable to understand that they would prefer to save their own skin. Jesus told about that too: Those people who desire to preserve their life are losing their life but those people who are about to lose their life – not to fear in death as Jesus commandeS, are about to find their life and to save their life. It is not written into bible that people did and for people was told and so on, also the subject words were not written I guess because of lack of space and because of common sense – people did not have to explain about whom and for whom and to what everything was said by God. When God commanded:”You shall not kill”, then subjective word seems to be missing or is not important for God. You shall not kill – anyone / any people – ever. Also Gods and Jesuses words are A PROMISE for believers that God is taking care of them, God PROMISED that believers shall not kill and first and the rest of His laws. In Kingdom of God everyone are married with Jesus because no one would come into Fathers family without a bondage of marriage. In Kingdom of Heaven, there are no such ideas as my friends and your friends and Jesuses friends, neither people would not to think, say, do any sinful activities, because there would be no reason / no desire to commit any untruthful activity. This is what people who desire to understand God have to understand BEFORE it is too late for them. Even God can not help untruthful people because God does nothing untruthful, because He is Truth. “Holy Spirit” is The Spirit of Truth – The Spirit of God.

    • Ergo Sepp

      Scales of measuring human greatness.
      First scale of measuring human greatness:
      There is only one order in the world: Godliness, naming, ideology, propaganda, dictation, censorship, tyranny, sadism, / lawlessness, lost of mind, / death, destruction. Most members of mankind are capable only to name and to stomp – (naming and sadism) or to push own dictate against other persons dictate without ever needing any explanations (motive) for their activities – they never needed any explanation and never will need any explanation – all they do is existing by their “best understanding”. This scale is very important to understand meaning of many words. The only word which unites all words is a word “desire” – desire to be godly – desire to destroy. No mortal man can achieve full godliness in their lives – eight first words from godliness to sadism – gaining prizes or punishments according to their life work – it is impossible for a mortal man. This is the reason why God do not commit act of sadism – complete godliness in no mans lifetime – men would become upright and to become justifying themselves and other people would not feel being threated equally. Also most of members of mankind would not get their final punishment at their life time because God still hopes everyone to repent and to change from wicked path which leads no one to no where ever. Also that scale proves existence of Satan is worthless attempt – what ever part of truth he would express – he can not gain other godliness – it would only lead to destruction without even mentioning manmade laws and “alter”native “religions” – there is only one orign and it leads to God who happen to be only Truth there ever could exist. When God commanded to be Holy because He is Holy, He meant to be TRUTHFUL because He is Truth because The Holy Spirit is The Spirit of Truth. Most of “believers” do not even know what they believe or why they believe. Those who desire to gain eternal life just do not desire any form of a sin – any form of a same lie that someone could be greater, better, quicker than God – The Truth – it is impossible. Therefore no acts against laws – made ways – of God will be desired in thoughts, sayings and deeds because the righteous will understand that everything but the words of God lead to destruction. The Earth was created because God wanted to get rid of traitors among His people by their own will – that is why He created a “prey” for those who did not desire to understand His way / method. Satan and other fallen angels – messengers did not have any context to compare with – they did not have any background measurement that is why God allowed them to become an example for all living beings that not obeying Gods laws lead only to destruction as everyone can see today. This world has been created to be worst possible example of all evil that could ever exist so people who desire to seek God would understand difference between evil and good. Most of people still do not admit that evil can come by smiling lies or by manipulating us to express our foolish choices or meaningless noise / expressions. Accepting a smallest lie causes a person to wrap himself / herself into web of lies because members of mankind do not desire to ruin relationship with other beings, therefore they accept smallest lies which lead eventually to death of soul and destruction of all that is on the land.
      Second scale of measuring human greatness:
      There are no smart or stupid people – there are people who explain information or express meaningless noise or their foolish choices.
      Meaningless noise is sayings without activity or subject.
      Foolish choices are:
      1. Not being informed because of other person expression of his / her or other persons foolish choice.
      2. Being disinformed because of other person expression of his / her or other persons foolish choice.
      3. Not desiring to be informed by expressing own foolish choice.
      4. Attempting to hide or claim information to be something which information is not (without understanding information is unbendable, unhideble).
      Third scale of measuring human greatness:
      On the scale reason-act-result most members of mankind do not desire to know any explanation about reasons neither any explanation about potential results of their thoughts, sayings, deeds.
      Those people I described attempt only to justify THEMSELVES, their deeds and the world and to enjoy themselves, their deeds and the world (without understanding no one can not justify anything / anyone neither feel complete joy but only temporary state of mind / delusion which is a lie and according to which human body is punishing its owner by lack of energy / removal from the source of energy which is truth. Human organism is not generated to live in a lie.
      Fourth scale of measuring human greatness:
      If anyone has witnessed any leading of a sect he / she knows that in the sect information which has been claimed to be “negative” may not be spread down the triangular shape ideogram, neither between members of a sect but only upwards the triangular shape ideogram or not at all. Attempt of hiding information expresses only foolish choice and is ending in death and destruction.
      Fifth scale of measuring human greatness:
      Human DNA does not measure only our looks but our MENTAL qualities, our FUNCTION. There can not be two person with same DNA because its owner FUNCTION would be attempting to do same thing at the same time at the same place which is ending in dysfunction and attempt to destroy the one who has same function. Therefore if there are strong ones and weak ones, the weak ones have to express deceit, to be smarter, quicker than strong ones or their existence would be impossible. If the land were flat and there were bulls and capricorns on it, the bulls would stomp to death all life forms – capricorns and plants they eat – even lions if there were lions – therefore FUNCTION of a landscape is to offer a living space for all forms of life without consuming all resources needed for living – food and fresh water and other resources.
      Sixth scale: Willing to be “negative” hero if no one accepts the truth – willing to do the things no one desires to do or attempting to do according to own capabilitie.
      Seventh scale: Readyness to die for truth even if no one cares about the truth.
      Eight scale: Absolute judgment.

      • Ergo Sepp

        The story about King and dictator.
        In the world there are kings and dictators. Most of kings mentioned in books of bible refer to rulers / dictators. Not every ruler / dictator is a king. On the Earth there are always more dictators than kings. A dictator is someone – any common person – including Devil – the Satan – the Accuser – who desires to teach his own ideas, attempts to justify own desires, to manipulate everyone he can by any means to serve him or Satan and to gain dictate over everyone he could manipulate to serve him or Satan. The dictator has no friends, the dictator manipulates every person to serve him, he hides his thoughts carefully, he never admits the truth, because he is a coward who does not desire to fight with people who surround him because he knows that he can not fight against every person on this world who is not functioning according to his desires. The dictator is weak. He knows surrounding people would destroy him easily if they would know what he thinks about them and how he manipulates them to serve him or Satan – away from God and eternal life God promised for those people who know and respect His laws – the way he made. Dictator represents mainly “alter”native godliness. Satan can even pretend to be a messenger of light – the Truth, but all he can express, is a partial truth because God is whole truth and there can not be any other truth than truth – the God. By the table: godliness, naming, ideology, propaganda, dictation, censorship, tyranny, sadism, / lawlessness, lost of mind, / death, destruction; I can explain – “prove” that Satan´s attempt is worthless and He can never achieve anything but temporary state of mind, after which he has to “invent” – discover another version of one lie that someone could ever be more, greater, better than God – first eight words from godliness to sadism – being responsible for everything for ever and rewarding or punishing everyone according their deeds – relating themselves according to information presented / represented for them. If the dictator gains his / her manipulations almost over everyone he / she could influence, there WILL always be someone who is LEAST influenced by dictators manipulations and lies, false rewards for serving the dictators half-truths – the king – The King. Some humans may desire to be king like like me, but I can not be God or Jesus because every created being has a FUNCTION – to serve purpose of God or to be an example / background measure to show what is evil. When all angels were among God, they did not have that Earthly experience, they did not have a context and Satan slipped easily by attempting to be more, better than God without understanding he can not be more than God – godly and lawless when he desires to be – it only leads to lost of mind, death and destruction. There is only Gods way and no other way. The king is least influenced from manipulations of a dictator and he does not share dictators opinions – relating himself same way with information than a dictator does. The king knows what the truth is. Even if he does not know the whole truth, he is like a sheppard boy / girl – he / she has SOME truth in him / her to oppose to ideas which are forced on him by decendence of dictators. Jesus was and is a King who guarantees a life for anyone when a dictator commands / manipulates everyone he / she can to jump into the deep valley – away from God. Jesus was on Earth that sheppard boy who was least influenced by dictator, by not jumping into the deep valley as a dictator commanded, he guarantees a life for all who follow him – believe that He has right, not the dictator who does not care about the people he / she manipulates to serve him / her as his / her VICTIMS. When the people figure out it is not much explanations given for them why they should jump into the deep valley as a dictator ordered them to do, they will follow the sheppard boy, the King. At last the dictator stands alone at the edge of a deep valley and as he / she loves himself / herself more than everything and everyone, he / she follows the majority of people without whom he / she could not live long, because dictator NEVER desires to be responsible for his / her own life and welfare which he / she gained by manipulating other people – his / her victims to serve him / her. The dictator may be more educated than the king but the king knows what the truth is. The king may not know word by word all his life what the truth is, nut he knows what the evil is. The dictator always follows the crowd as Satan disguised himself to be a raven in Noah´s ark and as Judas Iskariot among Jesus´s deciples / followers. If the king is not enough educated, soon the crowd discovers that again thaqt dictator is dictating for them what to do and how to do. As the truth seems A LITTLE BIT more pleasant for most of members of mankind than jumping into deep valley, most of people start again believing dictators manipulations about how sorry he / she is when he / she commanded everyone to commit suicide because he / she hates everyone expect himself / herself. If a dictator commands to wage war against other amount of people whom he / she can not dictate and most of dictators victims lose their lives, then survivors – elderly, cripple and children will protect the children and to protect them with their own life to become a great nation again by reminding the King if the king has also fallen in war or being murdered by dictator. The issue with king is that he / she is leading everyone towards understanding that if he / she falls, every follower would be as similar as possible for him / her and would carry the information in their brains and expressing it by their surrounding area because without understanding the truth people would not figure out what the truth would be but would follow their desires and attemptions to justify their own desires, which would lead no one no where ever. The dictator hates the king because he can not manipulate king to serve him / manipulate him away from God – the Truth. The king tires to educate even the dictator who desires to destroy the king as a last oppose to his / her fullness of his / her dictate over people who are manipulated to follow dictators desires. The king is always over the dictator and the dictator hates that most that everyone could be more, better than him / her. The dictator loves his / her life only and it seems to him / her that after his / here life there would be nothing – no one would ever bother to remember him / her. The dictator does not understand that the king is not fighting against him / her but his / her ACTIVITIES, which are not according the truth – the God. The dictator can not understand that anyone could help him / her without he / she manipulated him / her. The dictator always suspects that the king is like him and attempts to gain his / her manipulations over him / her when the king is explaining why the dictator is expressing only his / her foolish choices. The king knows exactly what a dictator thinks – the king is always over dictator, is the king cripple and in sack cloth, drunk or homeless – he / she is always over dictator and dictator just can not stand someone could oppose him / her without understanding he / she is his / her greatest enemy.

        • Ergo Sepp

          There are no such thing as liberals – to be liberal means not to dictate anything for anyone – without dictating they would be serving anyone – I do not see them serving anyone but dictating own corrupt agenda for everyone. The reason of communism is pure satanism, because those people without understanding the truth or who are denying truth because they are victims of their corrupt subculture or the truth does not seem desirible, profitable, does not be according to their expectations / desires, desire to enjoy themselves, other people and the world, do not want to experience anyone anyhow ever could interrupt their activity, also they desire to justify their activity, gain own dictation, (run after own desires as described). These people are so mentally retarded that any form of truth is tormenting them mentally. Such people should be educated to understand what the truth is, to prevent such people destroying everyone else by their corrupt selfish activities – meaning dictation. Such people are menace from themselves and for other people, wasting resources of this planet and lives of people with common sense whom they as majority force to fulfill which ever desire they should ever have and minority can not fight against them. By desiring to destroy the minority they destroy themselves. By claiming people who do not agree with their dictation to be lawless and destroying them economically, mentally, physically or disturbing their existence with reason to amuse themselves temporarily. Most of people are uncapable to do any work, without understanding the truth and ignorant about any information – such people you may claim to be communists – liberals, as they call themselves to enjoy themselves, because a word communism does not sound desirible for them. They enjoy their activities but it is not according to their childish desires if someone ever – in history – has described, explained their activities or could ever think about mention in present time – so hateful according to other people are the “liberals”… By democracy they mean people who accept their desires and who feel similarily with them – therefore they measure their corrupt subculture which as any manmade law ends in lawlessness, lost of mind, death, destruction, because there is only one order in the world: Godliness, naming, ideology, propaganda, dictation, censorship, tyranny, sadism, / lawlessness, lost of mind, / death, destrction. All people are lawless according to laws of God – the difference between communists and people with common sense are that people with common sense are capable to understand the truth, that everything that is in world is Gods will to measure which people are worth eternal life – the eight scale of measuring human greatness – absolute judgement after persons death as feudalists did understand but people without understanding the truth were not capable to understand because they were blinded of own desires and had not experienced an experience which could lead them to understand the truth. I was similar to communists when I were younger – people are not born to be communists – the understanding comes into their life by experiencing an experience. Most of people in this world are victims of their corrupt society – they may understand the truth but their greatness can be measured if they remain expressing truth among hordes of people who do not desire to know the truth and are capable to express only hate – that some one, some thing is not functioning according to their desires / expectations. If two people argue and if person with common sense explains information what they do and why they do then they feel that they are naked and that someone could destroy their desire for autocrasy – self ruling their ego which is most precious thing for them according to their understanding. To remain enjoing themselves they desire to destroy by any means anyone who could ever interrupt or stop their activity of self enjoyment. Collapse of Soviet Union expressed that living in a lie leads only into lawlessness, lost of mind, death and destruction. Communists there already killed most of mindful people and millions of their own kind dyings were related to that there were not much mindful people around who could save their subculture from complete destruction. In now days communists used information technology to gain own dictation because their brains were not capable to create connection between information and understanding.

          • Ergo Sepp

            The person with full understanding of truth, past and future – over human abilities – will be Antichrist – opposite version of Christ – anointed savior of mankind. Jesus knew exactly which are all forms of evil – unlawful expressions according to laws – made way for mankind with purpose to prevent them destroying themselves by unawareness of results of their activities and desires – He did not express any unlawful thought, saying, deed during His lifetime on human body. Antichrist knows exactly which is truth but he can not express truth because he is created to be untruthful by God without understanding he was created to be measurement, background system to understand where leads any unlawful activity – thought, saying deed. He may say that he will remain behind scenes until angels – messengers of God – invite him into Kingdom of Heaven and he can not resist for that opportunity because he understands he will spend of rest of eternity in hell – gaygenom – payment of being proud / upright – already as the whole world is pre-destinated show for all people to experience being and how to exist without expressing desires, foolish choice with full responsibility by avoiding temptations BY UNDERSTANDING that all temptations end in lawlessness, lost of mind, death and destruction. God does not need beings who would misuse godly powers. Angels can take any shape BUT they may not take a shape of someone who already exists. Satan may play his little hide and seek masquerade but Jesus does not care about his activities. Jesuses words are same for all – he knows exactly that Satan is listening him because Satan has no thing meaningful to do but to sit “disguised” as he thinks himself to be among people. Jesus does not seek where he is or what he does – He knows he is listening any words and expression with great interest even if his soul as such can not claim any expression to be truth because Satan is created to be unequal – he just can not understand or to accept the truth because he can not tame his desires. Jesus does not care about him much – if the time comes, He will destroy him without any mercy, because the time has ariven and it is Jesuses duty to destroy Satan. That would be my death bed confessin for members of mankind, lecacy of my existence. Of course communists will think I breath their air – they do not understand I expressed great love towards them by telling the truth for them. As I wrote – 6-th scale of measuring human greatness is willingness to do hardest work without expecting any prize. 7-th scale is willingness to put own life to stake for truth – for works which has to be done, words to be said regardless of peoples opinion, with purpose to prevent them destroying themselves. If truth is not according to anyones desire than every man made law will end in lawlessness, lost of mind, death and destruction and all people are doomed already. I just tried to help you and to prevent your own destruction because you have not have heared what I expressed – you have not experienced the experience and therefore you are not capable to understand the information. It is up to you what do you do with that information. Ahmein.

          • Andy Miller

            Is your name EGO Sepp!

          • Ergo Sepp

            No, my name is Ergo.

  • Jones Howell

    Points well-taken. I go to outdoor events and talk to people, and sometimes share the gospel publicly. However, I rarely see other Christians there to offer prayer, counseling, time or help to these people, even at so-called “Pride” events. I am, though, often confronted by other Christians who say I shouldn’t be doing this, that I should be preaching love and grace, etc. Usually these Christians are involved in these events, celebrating, condoning, sometimes drinking and partying with them. The greatest barrier to public evangelism is the lukewarm cultural Christian. Their Christianity is collaborative with cultural Americanism.

  • jadedjewels

    actually let me clear this up a little bit more..she told me of her own choice that all 3 of her kids are gay and they are “Christian” and I asked how she could deal with that as a parent to which she responded..well we go to church and God loves us and I said yes He sure does but that does not mean He agrees with this lifestyle or condones it when in fact He speaks to this very thing in His Holy Word..I’ll be praying for y’all then I let it go..she kept bringing it up to me not the other way around..the male manager that fired me is in a marriage with a man and I asked him point blank, right in front of co-worker, if he had even 1 inkling in the year I had worked with him of my beliefs on this topic at all and he said NO as he had never approached me and opened that door for me to speak to so I NEVER did!! I do NOT hate any in this lifestyle! I love them and feel sad for their deception from Gods enemy that has perverted them into thinking believing and living like this.

  • ken

    You know nothing of our Lord and his written word, in other words you are encouraging people to vote for a lying conman whom only cares for himself and breaking laws, a racist defending Nazis, loving the rich and attempting to rob the poor of their health, who is more pathetic, you misleading everyone or the gutless coward you voted for

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