I Agree With Chuck Todd

President Trump debases himself by getting into juvenile, even profane name-calling.

U.S. President Donald Trump speaks at a campaign rally at Atlantic Aviation in Moon Township, Pa., Saturday, March 10, 2018.

By Michael Brown Published on March 12, 2018

If the presidential elections were held today and Donald Trump was running against Hillary Clinton, I would vote for Trump without hesitation. But that doesn’t mean he doesn’t embarrass me at times. And when it comes to his recent attack on MSNBC’s Chuck Todd, I side with Todd.

That’s not because I agree with Todd’s ideology or that I feel his reporting is fair and balanced. To be perfectly candid, I don’t see much of Todd’s reporting. I can’t really comment either way.

What I do know is that the president of the United States debases himself by getting into juvenile, even profane name-calling. He may rally certain elements of his base with this kind of rhetoric. But he alienates another part of his base. He also further inflames his adversaries and gives fresh fuel to his detractors. And to what purpose? To what gain?

Formerly Censored, Now Acceptable

Speaking in Pennsylvania on Saturday, President Trump referred to Todd as a “sleeping son of a b—h.” The remark lit up the internet in minutes.

On Sunday Todd responded:

I bring my kids up to respect the office of the presidency and the president. I don’t allow them to say anything negative, ever, about the president. It creates a challenge to all parents when he uses vulgarities like that.

He is absolutely right. The “b” word is now everywhere. It’s spelled out in full and repeated on the airwaves, just as “s–thole” became ubiquitous after the president’s alleged comments in January.

Suddenly, what used to be censored is acceptable. The profane is no longer profane. Civility (or, whatever is left of it) is further crushed underfoot.

This contributes to a general coarsening of the culture. The ugly insults multiply exponentially as all sides fire back.

An Appeal to Step Higher

Without a doubt, having Donald Trump as our president has its big plusses and big minuses.

Of course, ardent Trump supporters will lambaste me. They’ll accuse me of prudery. Of focusing on inconsequential details. Of being a secret leftist.

“Just look at what he’s done for the economy, for Israel, for the courts, for our religious rights. And he’s about to meet with the President of North Korea in what could be one of the greatest diplomatic breakthroughs of our era. Plus, he’s virtually destroyed ISIS.”

Again, that’s why I would vote for him today against the likes of Hillary Clinton.

As an evangelical leader I’m often embarrassed by our president. But I voted for him with my eyes wide open, weighing the good with the bad.

But the fact is that President Trump could have accomplished these same goals without degrading himself. Without debasing the office of the president. Without attacking others with crudeness and vulgarity. And without further dividing an already-divided nation. Can anyone tell me how his cruelty helps his cause?

My appeal is that our president step higher. That he be aggressive and bold without acting like a child. That he be fearless without being frivolous. Only the blindly loyal will defend him at every turn, just as those blindly loyal to President Obama could see no wrong in him.

Are Evangelicals Hypocrites? 

Appearing on CBS’ Face the Nation on Sunday, Washington Post columnist Michael Gerson was asked, “What do you think the evangelicals who support President Trump make of the Stormy Daniels scandal?”

He replied,

Well, I think that it is the height of hypocrisy. … If any other Democratic president had been guilty of what is alleged in these cases, evangelicals would be, you know, off the reservation.

But Gerson is only partly right. No Democratic president fought for the things Trump is fighting for, so the overall picture is quite mixed. And there are evangelicals who support Trump while not endorsing his crude behavior or passing over his marital transgressions.

That being said, I agree with Gerson that evangelicals who downplay Trump’s moral failings are guilty of hypocrisy and do compromise their witness. This is something I’ve addressed many times before.

“Slimy Political Operatives”

Gerson further stated that “evangelicalism really has had a good tradition. And now they are really undermining that reputation of their faith.”

This prompted Margaret Brennan to ask, “But, in that judgment, you are saying the transactional part of this relationship isn’t worth the trade-off?”

Gerson replied,

Well, they are acting like, you know, slimy political operatives, not moral leaders.

They are essentially saying, in order to get benefits for themselves, in a certain way — they talk about religious liberty and other issues — but to get benefits for themselves, they are willing to wink at Stormy Daniels and wink at misogyny and wink at nativism.

And that, I think, is deeply discrediting, not just in a political sense, but actually in a moral and religious sense.

Are some evangelicals acting like “slimy political operatives, not moral leaders”? Perhaps some are. Just as some liberal Christian leaders have gotten into political bed with their Democratic counterparts.

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But once again, Gerson is only partly right.

As evangelicals, we’re not trying “to get benefits” for ourselves as much we’re trying to advocate what is best for our nation and the world. And when it comes to fighting against abortion, fighting against the genocide of Christians in the Middle East, fighting against the radical left’s takeover of America — just to name some of our biggest issues — we absolutely support President Trump. We believe he’s the man for the job.

Yet we don’t pretend he is a virtuous Christian. We are grieved over many things he says and does. As for the Stormy Daniels’ allegations, if they are true, many of us would not be surprised. But we would urge our president to confess his past sins publicly and ask for forgiveness.

Hope for a New Day

That’s what true support looks like. Frankly, I fail to see what is hypocritical in taking a stand like this. As an evangelical leader I’m often embarrassed by our president. But I voted for him with my eyes wide open, weighing the good with the bad.

So, I will praise him for the great things he accomplishes and share my disappointment when he falls short.

That means that one day I’m celebrating President Trump for his bold and courageous leadership while the next day I’m regretting his cruel and crude attacks.

Today is one of those days when it’s important for me to say, “Chuck Todd, I’m sorry for what our president said about you, and I agree with the sentiments you expressed.”

Hopefully, tomorrow will be a different day.

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  • Putin on the Ritz

    Chuck Todd started it.
    Chuck does not respect the office of the President, only Presidents that he agrees with.

    GW Bush stayed silent in the face of criticism; served him poorly.

    • Bojaws Dubois

      He started it.

      That’s gold, Jerry. GOLD!

      • Chip Crawford

        so, here’s old drive-by cheap shotter “weighing” in again, so to speak.

    • stan schmunk

      How did Todd start it? And how do you know that he doesn’t respect the office of the president? Surely you have some specific proof.

      • Chip Crawford

        Oh boy; and how do you know any of the trash you are strewing around here? Where is your “specific proof?” Take a hike bub.

        • stan schmunk

          What’s your beef with me, Chip? Putin made quite a charge against Todd and I asked him for proof? And then you judge me?

          • Chip Crawford

            You’ve made quite and more charges against DJT.. Where are your proofs? Stand up to the stuff you are putting out snowflake or just melt away.

          • stan schmunk

            Where’s your proof that Todd started it? I ask an honest question and you condemn me to Hell. Are you our hall monitor or something?

          • Chip Crawford

            Please calm yourself down. Your posts are unhinged. You throw out stuff that’s not said and make charges about it. I never said Todd started anything for one. I never condemned you to Hell – that’s another. “our” hall monitor — are you a regular here? You blare in, half read people’s posts, splutter some stuff and then blare out. It’s quite normal to protest this. Please take responsibility for your words and actions.

          • stan schmunk

            You questioned my faith, Chip. I just questioned Putin’s claim. Was that wrong?

          • Chip Crawford

            More loose cannon stuff. I did not question your faith. You must read things into what you read and respond to what goes on in your head. It certainly is not what is there. You asked for proof from him; I have asked for proof from you on some things you have stated. I am still waiting …

  • The Other Donald

    I don’t like his swearing. I once had a boss who said “You need to cuss a little so people take you serious and know you’re passionate”. I think Liberals have been profane and mocked those who don’t for so long, they don’t respect us. It seems like with Trump in office, the shoe is now somewhat on the other foot, and they don’t know what to do about it. It seems polite folk like Ted Cruz, Pence, Huckabee, etc., are mocked and disrespected by Liberals. Maybe Trump is needed if he is to accomplish anything.

    • john appleseed

      But Trump is “mocked and disrespected by Liberals” much more!
      Trump has accomplished a lot, in spite of his childishness.
      He has majorities in the House & Senate, so it ought to be easy to accomplish good things.
      His childish behavior does not help anything.

  • Howard Rosenbaum

    Sure I would prefer for the POTUS to be a bit more discriminating in his analysis of certain perceived shortcomings of his critics. What conscientious objective observer wouldn’t. Though theres no disputing the relative hysteria that this engenders from his critics on the left. Yet in spite of of all the hyperbole coming from both the president & the leftwing pundits no one can discount the attention & for some the entertainment value this generates.
    While these off the cuff ( or otherwise ) ripostes ( so called ) antagonize some they also highlight , for better or worse the animosity the MSM levels at this man at every opportunity . Real or otherwise. I think reasonable folk would prefer more of the Trump kind of jabs at this president from MSM rather than the convoluted partisan spin ( lies ) the media has been dishing out regarding this administration since it began.
    The MSM is acting less like journalists & more like hormonally challenged teenaged girls fighting over the same boyfriend. Perhaps when the MSM changes its tune & acts more like responsible journalists then this president may temper his remarks & act more “presidential” …..

  • Paul

    Is it just me or are these Trump scoldings du jour starting to smell a bit of virtue signaling?

    • john appleseed

      Is it just me or are those who justify the evil Trump does blind partisan idolaters?
      A godly person ought to be able to see the good & the bad in any person when it’s manifested.
      But an idolater will defend his idol no matter what.

      • Paul

        Nah, there is a difference between defending Trump and just being tired of people whining about behavior that is clearly his MO. Seriously, who is actually shocked by Trump bad mouthing a liberal reporter? Yawn. Whether I like it or not is irrelevant, it is what it is and doesn’t amount to much in the scope of things.

        • Chip Crawford

          I think there is a problem with this behavior that needs correction. It is embarrassing and I can’t see that I’m supposed to get used to it and take it in stride as a new normal, as they say. I do think I’m supposed to pray and that God wants to correct him for his and all our benefit. It’s a poor witness for any claims he may have to Christianity and certainly for those Christians who support his good policies.

          It hurts his agenda actually in a real way, gives those who may agree with policies reasons to oppose them because of his negative behaviors. that would apply to much needed Congressional votes, in real time. Keep in mind that John McCain spoiled the passing of the repeal and replace Obamacare with his one vote. I sincerely think Mr. McCain holds his cavalier treatment of him against him and nothing has made up for that. These things matter.

          • Paul

            By all means pray for him, that’s what we’re called to do.

  • Chip Crawford

    This is a prescription filled. Very good, Brother Michael. Hopefully, those who visit here periodically and clamor for accountability from us on these negative aspects will catch this. Those who do and are honest will so note. I think most Christians feel this way exactly. I hear those of the Faith Council and related refer to such in their sermons, but they pray and to effect. We might all try that. One of these days, someone is going to have a word in season on this childish bent that will arrest the man and cause him to reevaluate.

    DJT has it in his thinking that he needs to square all detractors by counter punch, but he’s deceived in that. I agree that saying nothing and being almost hangdog about it is not good, but what is happening is that the devil is pulling a level available to him. Why the man’s father did not correct this in him in childhood is disappointing. I’m sure his mother attempted, having a very Godly foundation. He is puzzling in that he puts his small and petty side out front, and reserves his kinder, gentler, more respectable self for private gatherings. We need to pray specifically that God will reveal this to him so clearly, he will be able to reverse it. It justifies his critics. If he really sees into it, I believe he will indeed make the change. That is what it takes. God is able to make it crystal clear.

    • stan schmunk

      He isn’t going to change. He is who he is and has been all his life. He’s a con artist and has conned his faith council, which is made up of numerous Word of Faith/Prosperity Gospel heretics and numerous sycophant-wannabes.

      • Chip Crawford

        And who are you, bub? A crackpot carnal judge drive-by cartoon character. You’ve shown yourself. Buzz off.

        • stan schmunk

          Except what I said is true.

          • Chip Crawford

            Then lay out your proof – dates, times, audio, video, witnesses.
            Just because the slander laws have been reduced to moot doesn’t mean the practice is legitimate. Without proof, you are in that slime. Slanders are also haters.

          • stan schmunk

            I said that many and actually his main evangelical advisor are Word of Faith/Prosperity Gospel heretics. Are you disagreeing with me on that?

          • Chip Crawford

            Let’s start here: “He’s a con artist and has conned his faith council.” Can you back this up, or do you consider your ignorant opinion on a par with facts backed up with data? It appears you do. Be informed, your rude opinions, and they are put very rudely, do not respect the other party and are not credible just because you say them. You have to back up assertions. You have slurred the members of the Faith Council, and that too is very condemning of brethren, if indeed YOU are yourself actually a brother. If you are a Christian, then may I respectfully suggest you pray and follow the Holy Spirit to a church and submit yourself to that pastor and congregation. You obviously require basic training. God bless you.

          • stan schmunk

            Do you agree that his main ‘faith’ advisor is a WOF/Prosperity Gospel heretic as are many others? Do you agree that WOF/Prosperity Gospel is heresy?

          • Chip Crawford

            You don’t even know who is his “main faith adviser.”

  • James Blazsik

    Michael, you’ve lost a reader. I have no problem in sharing your views about President Trump, but to openly lift up Chuck Todd is another thing. To support people participating in fake news and hatred of the President is also another thing. To apologize to him seemed self serving and even pathetic.
    I’m sorry, but we elected a warrior. Let him fight.

    • Chip Crawford

      While Todd seems a milder version of the ilk, I agree that he deserves no endorsement in any form. He may well have shammed up that little posie to draw a sharp contrast. Nice me, nasty you – kind of thing. However, the fact that the President so freely provides such grist for the mill irks me the most. He gives them their ammunition. He could stiff them without the low level passes. Then he would have an undiluted effect.

    • Paul

      This paragraph is illuminating:

      “That’s not because I agree with Todd’s ideology or that I feel his reporting is fair and balanced. To be perfectly candid, I don’t see much of Todd’s reporting. I can’t really comment either way.”

      Why on earth would Michael then agree with someone who he admits to knowing so little about? Ignorance of the one he sides with isn’t a good foundation for an opinion.

      • Jim Walker

        Yep, Dr Brown was trying to have a balance viewpoint but this article is not one of them.
        I don’t agree with Trump saying Todd “SOTB”. However, Trump is what you see is what you get, no airs, no pretense. Many people are so brainwashed wanting a PC President. Dr Brown included.

    • john appleseed

      James, you make no sense!
      Dr. Brown agreed with one statement from Todd!!!

      Fine, you dislike Todd.
      But does that mean he has never said anything true?

      Paul the apostle quoted a pagan Cretan poet, because the one statement Paul quoted was true!!!

      *shaking my head at the idolatry & blind partisanship*

      • James Blazsik

        John, I think what I am trying to say is that politics is a dirty business. Trump has democrats, the news and entertainment media, and never Trumper repubs against him. Also include the Mueller investigation. This man has to battle every day, This is a big boy war.

        I think Mr. Brown could have been big boy about it.

        • Jim Walker

          Hi James, you forgot to mention these :
          The EU, the WTO, the world’s globalist leaders (in fact, the whole world was to unleash the NWO program but Trump disrupted it).
          The weight of the attacks from a global machine is so heavy, most men will fail, but not Trump.

          • stan schmunk

            What nonsense! No wonder unbelievers mock us. Are you a believer?

          • Jim Walker

            I don’t care what non-believers say or mock, do you?

          • stan schmunk

            Yes if they’re mocking our lies and conspiracy theories. God has given them the OK to judge us.

          • Jim Walker

            They can’t judge us all they want, it doesn’t matter to me, only when God judges me.

    • stan schmunk

      Except that what you and Trump said about Todd is…false. Who has brainwashed you?

  • Patmos

    “And to what purpose? To what gain?”

    The Democrats have become the party of Saul Alinsky protégés and baseless vilification, the party of hypocritical bullying masquerading as intellectual elite. The purpose is to smack those fools in the mouth, and the gain is to reclaim the country from those deadbeats.

    • Patmos

      And for context here, I live in a very blue city, one where it seems most of the bad ideas coming from the left are originating. Secular leftists here DO NOT respond to nicey nicey, cotton candy, dialogues. They are so far gone that the only thing they respond to is getting smacked in the mouth (not literally), and even then their pride is such that they barely budge. It’s pretty stunning really, how far these people have fallen, and seeing them fully embrace their role as useful idiots.

      I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, when Jesus went to confront the money changers in the temple, he did not ask politely for them to stop doing what they were doing.

      Now I’m not advocating that you get angry just for the sake of it, but you do what is needed. If you happen to use foul language, that does not derail the bigger message.

      • Andrew Mason

        I disagree. Christians using foul language compromise their witness. Trump not being a Christian IMHO means he’s not held to the same standard. Foul language still distracts from the message, and extremely disgusting language completely obscures it, though what counts as foul or disgusting language will vary from person to person.

  • john appleseed

    Here in the Philippines, I see the same thing. Church folks on both sides of the Pacific are undermining their credibility. When someone objects to wickedness coming from their favorite politician, they minimize the politician’s evil & attack the one standing for what’s right.
    Why can’t they understand that we should not attach ourselves too closely to a politician?
    Why can’t they understand that we should support good & oppose evil, even when good & evil come from the same man?
    Why can’t they understand that God’s prophets opposed evil when they saw it in any head of state, whether someone like David or someone like Ahab?
    Why can’t they understand that when a head of state does evil & we don’t object, the world calls us hypocrites?

    • john appleseed

      On 7/28/2016, Mike Pence said, “I don’t think name-calling has any place in public life.”
      I disagree with Pence about that.
      Name-calling can be good if used wisely, accurately, and without hatred. Like Jesus did.
      Unfortunately, Trump has been unwise, inaccurate, and hateful with his name-calling.

      • Hmmm…

        Yes, a good balance as you say

      • Paul

        “Unfortunately, Trump has been unwise, inaccurate, and hateful with his name-calling.”

        Actually he has often been accurate, but few want to admit it.

        • Chip Crawford

          Sometimes, but when he gets to the slurs and slanders along with the cussing, it does give material that good people will rightfully object to, not just partisans. Being accurate is not always the point. Push back, yes, but push down, push in – not so good.

          • Paul

            I would wager that Trump is actually being restrained as a public figure relative to how he dealt with the business world…you know that hot mic locker room talk that got everyones panties in a wad wearing their pink vulva hats.

          • Chip Crawford

            My conviction is that DJT is not the same man of that 10 year old debacle. The best thing would be if he could make a public statement of confession of past sins and bad behavior and prideful attitudes, clarify what was talk and not action, but the past is the past. He could express some of what caused him to change. He could work this out with Melania and the two of them stand up to this in a taped statement, no press persons on this. He could put it away in the main if he would do that. It’s so easy for many to claim that all of this is still going on, current behavior, especially as he is currently profane and intemperate with his speech. He’d have to overcome his pride to stand up to this, but it would set him free. They’d still mock, but he could tell them to shut up and sit down with some authority behind it. As it is, he’s wearing all this stuff, true and false alike, like it or not.

          • Paul

            That would be very uncharacteristic, not his MO.

          • Chip Crawford

            It wasn’t his M.O. to get in front of a camera after the live mic thing. He asked several in the Faith Council how to handle that. They obviously told him to be open about it, which he was. Do you remember what he said or take any note of it? I did. It mattered a lot to me. Mike Pence watched very cautiously as well. He passed my test on it, and apparently Mr. pence’s as well. DJT said it was talk, 10 years ago, and that he had met a lot of people across the country during the campaign and that had changed him. I think he meant it. Also, I saw his face after it came out — suffused with shame. In a real sense, he humbled himself with that.

            That was very uncharacteristic of him. He may get to a point where it begins to cost him noticeably. At that time, he will be more open to others giving him similar advice.

            In my opinion, God is gracing DJT for this time in our history, but it is not a blank check. The man who has done so well, who has enjoyed such favor, may begin to find that waning and that it was not because of him, but because of grace.

            Perhaps I differ from you in this in that I have never seen the strengths of the DJT presidency as the man’s gifts and skills alone. He’s a vessel to answer God’s people’s prayers, someone I believe the Holy Spirit has been working with. But if he goes the pride route, he’ll take a fall. God can raise up another. It’s God’s marvels we are beholding. who is never man dependent, Since God’s people are having their prayers answered, we must ourselves rely on him and continue. God will use another to work his will if needed. I hope it’s not.

          • Paul

            “Perhaps I differ from you in this in that I have never seen the strengths of the DJT presidency as the man’s gifts and skills alone.”

            Alone? Absolutely not. But I think Trump was chosen for a reason, for this season. Confounds the wise in this world that Trump is POTUS, and confounds the wise to this day.

          • Chip Crawford

            Of course, but it’s not unconditional. God chose Saul to be Israel’s first king, and you know how that went. Being called is not a blank check or an unconditional divine endorsement. The God who confounds the “wise” is not vessel dependent to pull that off. Some who are called get un-chosen. Happens all the time. We hope not, but I don’t see the Almighty giving so broad a wink at some of this bad representation. He’ll deal with him and give a grace space, but call in his markers if there’s continuous non-response. He’s by no means stuck with this circumstance.

          • Paul

            In the context of this article, I’m not seeing Trump referring to a reporter as a “sleeping son of a b—h” to be on par with taking over the burnt offering as Saul did. YMMV

          • Chip Crawford

            It’s not my mileage variance that matters. It’s up to God’s view. He knows what is in people’s hearts, what he has said to them. Saul acted to protect what he looked like in the eyes of men … Let’s hope that doesn’t happen here

          • Paul

            Yes, I’m not privy to what God has put on Trump’s heart.

          • Chip Crawford

            Which is kind of like maybe an important factor … maybe even determinative?

          • Paul

            Yes, let the person with that divine knowledge speak truth to power. What that doesn’t look like is people complaining that Trump isn’t being presidential or that his word choice isn’t ideal.

          • Chip Crawford

            Huh? You must have me mixed up with another poster. And you surprise me. Profanity and slurring are not alternative word choices. What’s with you with this, Paul? I thought you were a straight shooter. Does compromise on this simple matter really come so easily to you? Is it all black or white, in or out on a matter? Not ideal? Come on.

          • Paul

            Chip, I should have been more clear in referring to this article in general.

            What is with me on this one Chip is I honestly am not shocked in the least that Trump referred to a reporter as a “sleeping son of a b—h.” If it came from Billy Graham then there would be something to talk about.

          • Chip Crawford

            I know that’s where he is, but that he should remain there is a serious problem and gives place to the enemy. He claims faith and associates with known men of God and upholds Godly initiatives. Don’t you think it’s time he learned how unGodly is his language and demeanor on these things? Like, grow up time, Mr. Cusser-In-Chief. Is that too much to ask of someone opening meetings with prayer, speaking of God – to give a better example to those who do not know God, to the young? Sorry, I’ll not get used to it. I think I think more of his conversion experience and his live relationship with people of God to just accept this as part of his persona. Nope; it will always jar, I certainly hope!

          • stan schmunk

            It was a vulgar lie.

          • stan schmunk

            No, it’s that evangelicals supported him and still do when he’s the opposite of the values we profess to stand for.

          • stan schmunk

            But it was still a vulgar lie.

          • stan schmunk

            But he won’t because that’s not who he is.

          • Chip Crawford

            You don’t know that. I’m bored with your ugly prejudices. Keep them to yourself. You show yourself as a very immature, untaught and carnal Christian, if indeed that is the case. You’ve got too many of your own issues to work on to be playing God on things you know little to nothing about.

          • stan schmunk

            Says Chip who can’t discuss issues reasonably…

          • Chip Crawford

            You’re looking in the mirror schmuk

  • Hmmm…

    Something came to me on this exact thing recently that satisfied the issue from the word. It’s hard to explain to carnal people the difference in your allegiance. They just cry hypocrite.

    It’s the scripture about knowing no man after the flesh. That is the problem of the split between the two or more aspects of anyone. Even your favorite preacher, teacher, man of God has flesh, as do you. Often, it’s our flesh reacting to their flesh. Pretty carnal thing going on with that.

    We are to know one another after the spirit. While that seems to pertain to brethren, it came to me about the President’s dichotomy of behaviors. And he may well be brethren, though in a very beginning stage. It tells me to not know him after his faults and shortcomings, but after the spirit – after my spirit. We are just as fleshy if we only harp on the natural man, which is coming from our own natural man. We need to get in and stay in the spirit with this – with all actually, including ourselves.

    God says in 1 Cor 13 that love is ever ready to believe the best of every person, hopes all things and so forth. God is love. That’s his M.O. We pray about the problems, take them to the Lord for handling. We seem to all need to grow in this.

  • Jim Walker

    At least Trump is a “what-you-see-is-what-you-get” President.
    He behaves the same on and off camera. Not like Hussein, who is such a sneaky wolf-in-snake-skin-in sheep fur.

    • stan schmunk

      Your comment about Obama is why God brought Trump to us in judgement.

      • Jim Walker

        God brought Trump to judge you.

        • stan schmunk

          For what?

          • Jim Walker

            It’s a joke bro…

  • Paul

    Does anyone care if Trump was correct in his assessment of Todd? Or will we keep wallowing in the grammer puddle, splashing in protest every time we don’t like a chosen word?

    • Chip Crawford

      Foul and vulgar language is not a grammar issue. While we all appreciate the boldness and needed unconventional quality of DJT, to compromise on what is unacceptable plays right into what our critics say of us. I hope none in the very visible Faith Council will not soft soap things. Dr. Jeffress seems to skirt in that direction a time or two, but the others I have heard or read acknowledge the problems honestly, with their appreciation of his strengths and good actions.

      So you think being “true” carries weight? In what realm? Apparently, not with God: Php 4:8 “Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.”

      God’s high standard is that matters we consider pass more than the “true” test. They must be the others mentioned as well. Otherwise, the test is failed and the assessment compromised. Personally, though I embrace God’s work through Mr. Trump, I am aware that all his vessels are flawed and that he doesn’t wink at such just because he is using him. I like to stay on God’s side of things, which the word’s truth certainly does. Again, otherwise, we are compromising. The wide road is easier, but I don’t like the distance it puts with the Father, increasing over time. I’ll stick with God’s word and way and just be honest about it and pray, rather than attempt to defend the indefensible. There is mixture in the best. I’m not a groupie; I’ll follow the Lord as best I know and be real about what is happening, more difficult as it is.

      • Paul

        “So you think being “true” carries weight? In what realm? Apparently, not with God:..”

        Seriously? You think true doesn’t carry weight with God? Did that come out the way you wanted? I’m shocked.

        • Chip Crawford

          I’m sorry to hear that. I put “true” in quotes because you are making a judgment about the comment DJT made about Mr. Todd being justified because it was in you opinion accurate or “true.” That cannot be assumed.

          Also, you are conflating “true” with “truth.” Something may be true, but not TRUTH. God’s word is truth. Even Mr. Todd’s et al’s most piquant offenses do not come up to truth. This is a difference with a major distinction.

          Then, you are sliding over the verse, which gives clear and unambiguous criteria for what we are to consider, think on and speak out. A matter may be true, but not lovely, of good report and so forth, so it fails God’s smell test. That is truth.

          Like someone said: Did you know the Word said that? Most would say yes, but … Did you know it MEANT that? You have to decide whether or not you believe the word. Apparently not as written or you would not be shocked by its application. Are you religious or spiritual? Choose.

          • Paul

            Thanks for clarifying your comments.

            I certainly believe the Bible, and when I read Phil 4, the context is an encouragement from Paul to fellow believers. If you find Trumps language doesn’t meet the measure of vs 8 then stop dwelling on it, that is what this verse is saying to do.

          • Chip Crawford

            The demons certainly believe (and tremble at) the Bible as well. You offered advice, so I will do so as well: Honor and place loyalty with God above Mr. Trump, which would mean not glossing over his blatant vulgarity and slander, referring to them as grammar errors, because he is strong and good on many other fronts. Luke 6:46 “And why call ye me, Lord, Lord, and do not the things which I say?”

          • Paul

            Vulgarity is a tricky thing, I’m not sure who defines it in a given culture and time. It certainly isn’t static. Taking the Lords name in vain is another matter entirely though.

            If you think my loyalty is with Trump before God then you’ve completely misjudged me. A recent example would be my deep disappointment that Trumps SOTU address completely ignored the abortion genocide. You can read my comments here:

            stream(DOT)org/americans-dreamers-trumps-state-union-triumph/

            Which Stream author is up in arms over that glaring omission? Now that is something worth challenging Trump about and yet instead there is all this hand wringing over him calling a reporter a son of a b–.

          • Chip Crawford

            Yes, I recall that commentary by you. However, it is shocking to me that you consider s.o.b. something by the way. That’s strong stuff in most quarters – definitely for a professional or leader, public servant. Jesus said not to say “raca,” or “thou fool.” Such strong words carry strong offense and represent a breach in the inner man, for anyone. A teacher handling that verse said that “raca” was like our saying s.o.b. I frankly don’t know anyone, Christian definitely, that callous about the use of that expression. It’s not commonplace in my various circles, or they wouldn’t be. The people talking about some of DJT’s language being unsuitable for children have a real point, imo.

          • Paul

            And yet Paul called himself a fool, the Galatians foolish, Jesus called the Pharisees fools, and the Bible is loaded with reference to fools. I understand there are differences there in terms of being unwise as opposed to judging a brothers character. I know that I as a believer have fallen short of this and have needed to repent.

            What you don’t see in my comments here is support for Trumps word choice, what I’ve said repeatedly is that it doesn’t surprise me. Is Trump a Christian and Todd his Christian brother? I have no clear evidence to support that but only God knows their hearts. It doesn’t make it good or acceptable, but I question whether that scripture applies in this situation. Going to my Christian brother and condemning him that way is a clear example of what Jesus is talking about.

            In the two days since this article was posted an approximate 6,000 unborn babies were murdered in the US. In contrast todays news is full of school kids protesting the murders of 17 people in a Florida school. And yet Christians condemn Trumps language? I understand we can walk and chew gum at the same time but what is really important?

            Have you ever heard the analogy of neatly arranging the deck chairs on the sinking Titanic? For me this article is an example of that. Focusing on appearances while much of the country is going to hell. Sure Trump could be less like who he is, clean up his proverbial deck chairs, but I would prefer he focus his attentions on the sinking ship.

          • Chip Crawford

            When Jesus said don’t say “thou fool,” I reckon he meant it, that being a strong condemnation on another person. I shared that to point out to you that the matter should make a difference to Christians, not being able to share it with DJT right at the moment. I trust someone will at the proper time.

            Deck chairs … You are astonishing. You must work with hard talking cussers or the like to be so hardened to this. Cussing is very low life, red neck. I showed you what Jesus thought about such more serious expressions like s.o.b. People pick at DJT for political reasons, but as Dr. Brown mentioned that he cringed over some things, there is just cause here. Good grief.

          • Paul

            No doubt we have different backgrounds and life experiences that may influence our different perspectives on this. I’ve been around people that would make a salty sailor blush. And in the past I dished it out as well. Regardless it is good to examine these things through the lens of the Bible. Jesus didn’t mention s.o.b., it is interpretive to say that expression is what he was addressing in that specific passage (Matt 5:22 I’m assuming you’re referring to). If you feel it applies to that phrase then I suggest not to say it. I know people who wouldn’t blink and it’s almost colloquial. I avoid it for different reasons, since as a Christian the Bible instructs me in several places to avoid profanity in general.

            Is Trump a Christian? I don’t know that he is. If he were then we could reasonably hold him to account for that behavior as a Christian brother. If he’s not a Christian then saying that phrase isn’t going to condemn him to hell any more than he already is headed there, and sweet language won’t save him either.

            I understand we don’t like it, I certainly could do without it. But what some folks may not realize is that to many people he is expressing what they are thinking themselves. There’s a lot of folks out there sick and tired of the PC nonsense. And this debate over salty language starts to enter that PC arena in many eyes. You see, there’s a whole lot of folks who feel Trump is correct when he calls a reporter a sob. Many will say he could maybe use a different phrase (some would opt for even worse), but then it really wouldn’t be Trump. He’s not going to overnight become this rhetorical genius who debates eloquently and shreds people with long words. He’s a street fighter type, that’s who he is. Which is why I’ll say again that all this doesn’t surprise me.

            As for everyone I hope and pray Trump gets to that personal relationship with Christ that can transform him, but even absent that God can use him. That’s the part that gets hard to accept and understand.

            Chip, I’ve very much enjoyed our discussion, and I respect your opinion even if we don’t see eye to eye on this one. Have a blessed day.

          • Chip Crawford

            Oh yeah … believe the bible; it’s just scriptures one has trouble with … Well, a lot do just what you are – watering down the word to fit their lack of experience of it or compliance with it. Maybe sometime that can be switched to receiving that word and allowing its power to bring one’s experience up to its level. I kind of think that’s what’s intended. Oh, what radical thought. Must be my diverse background.

          • Paul

            Chip, if you feel I water down the scripture there is not much I can do about it. Maybe something is getting lost in translation as the saying goes. I try diligently and prayerfully to order my life in accordance with the instruction and wisdom in the Bible, being careful to be mindful of context as it applies to a gentile Christian.

          • Chip Crawford

            Understandable. Being a doer instead of just a hearer is something many stumble over.

          • stan schmunk

            The point is that what he said about Todd is FALSE! In about 2 years he has convinced a third of us that the MSM, except for Fox, is all FAKE NEWS. It took Hitler more than a decade to accomplish. A third of us now don’t believe in the 1st Amendment. The brainwashing is astonishing and unprecedented in our country except perhaps for the southerners who were deceived by the slave owning oligarchy.

          • Paul

            Media has earned my distrust many years before I even knew of Trump let alone him running for POTUS. What Trump has popularized is the term fake news, and at least for me I include the spin and bias in that moniker. Fox is just as guilty of it as well in their own way. Has nothing to do with believing the 1st amendment or not, the press is free to spin and Trump is free to call it fake, the 1st amendment is doing its job in that regards.

          • stan schmunk

            Trump has always said that if Roe was overturned the issue would just go back to the states and of course things would stay mostly the same. BTW, are you as disgusted as I am that our ‘leaders’ talk about evil abortion and ask for donations to talk about it some more but will NEVER call their tens or maybe hundreds of thousands to surround every abortion clinic on killing days? And we blame the Germans?

          • Paul

            Yes, and I include church leadership in that as well.

    • stan schmunk

      He wasn’t.

  • Pete Hall

    I agree with Trump. I hate political correctness where everyone is too scared to say what they think, get annoyed, say something rash, or even fly off the handle from time to time if its required. I love the truth, even if it hurts. This is what Americans voted for and I think it’s great. From one happy Brit, I say ‘Keep it up Trump!’

  • David Hess

    I have listened to and read Never Trump Evangelicals call our President a racist, a misogynist, mentally ill, anti-Muslim, a fascist, anti-immigrant, narcissistic, abusive, a liar, anti-Semitic and a host of other names. So the concern about name-calling and inappropriate Tweets is somewhat laughable by them. As for Chuck Todd’s camp, they have called the President every conceivable name, using every possible expletive and he hasn’t said a thing! Even calling for his death and likening him to the most genocidal dictators in history. And they are now “concerned” about his speech?! I won’t listen to either group of hypocrites, but I will pray for the Christian men and women who have the President’s and who will give him godly counsel – and I pray he heeds it.

    • Deplorable Rican ☨ʳᵉᵈᵉᵉᵐᵉᵈ

      I like Trump but let’s be real he is a vulgar man. I wish he wasn’t and was more like Reagan in public but that is not who he is.

    • stan schmunk

      Have you ever read what conservatives, including evangelicals, still say about Obama and Michelle?

  • Tim Pan

    Donald Trump is brash and irreligious. These two attributes got him elected. Although his rhetoric is highly unorthodox it resonates with frustrated Americans who are tired of lies and republican party submission to the leftest media.

  • Mark Butler

    Remember 2012 when Mitt Romney lost all his political momentum for saying 47% of Americans pay no income tax? Now, a sound bite of the POTUS bragging about grabbing women by their ‘p’ or news that the POTUS had an affair with a porn star is just another day in the news. Apparently this has desensitized even our most “holy” of Christian leaders. I haven’t seen any evangelical leaders speak out strongly against this POTUS. Seems like a fairly compromised position. He has destroyed public discourse and respect for the office, divided America more than ever, and the Evangelical community sits by his side in support because at least “he’s not Hillary”. Come on! Poor excuse, poor leadership from the right, and the fallout will outweigh the benefits.

    • Chip Crawford

      “Seems like … ” The world doesn’t understand God, because they are yet under the sway of his adversary, the devil. So, the thinking of God is not foremost with them. God is interested in a person’s turnaround to him, drawing them by the Holy Spirit, which is happening with Mr. Trump. Those “close to the situation” know this in real time. To vilify and impugn their Christian principles from a standpoint of your casual glance is not the way God operates. That’s a poor excuse for evaluation on such an important topic. You won’t get a good harvest back on that kind of sowing. Jesus sat down to eat with sinners, to be with them to share and to encourage and love. That’s God’s heart. It is the Pharisees, hypocrites and haters who slammed him for that. You’re in bad company, sir. I’d move if I were you. I know a lot of these men and they would not and have not compromised themselves in this an iota. Again, you err on many counts with this, mainly from speaking with an empty fact and truth base.

      • stan schmunk

        No evidence at all that the Holy Spirit is drawing President Trump, none. We have compromised our values and the world knows it because they’ve heard us brag for so long about our family values, etc. They expect more from us because believe it or not they know enough of Scripture and know we’re violating it. I’m spending some of my time with unbelievers trying to show them who Jesus really is compared to who the lukewarm, almost apostate church portrays him to be.

        • Chip Crawford

          The Faith Council is spending time with a man who welcomes their input, covets their prayers and seeks their counsel. I know that for a fact because I listen to these pastors’ messages. They are consulted and their advice followed. Like Jesus, they are spending their time with an unbeliever and it has born more fruit than you know. You cannot prove spiritual evidence of drawing, especially when you do not have eyes to see and have your mind made up to the contrary. The man has spent more time in the world and with the spirit of the world, so he won’t turn into a spiritual giant overnight. Is God pleased with our impatience and judgment of those who are not where we think they should be? Who appointed you judge over another’s heart? You need to find a new church. Your apostate label does not fit everywhere. Don’t bully that; you don’t know all, see all. In fact, the judging and opinionating mark you as very carnal and immature in the faith. Who will hear you …

          • stan schmunk

            Thank you for judging me. Yikes!

          • Chip Crawford

            If so, you are reaping what you so freely and randomly AND ignorantly sow. Your irresponsible, uninformed, random drive-by refuse drops here are not appreciated, certainly not appropriate, and quite blind sided. I’m thinking about blocking you to avoid the nuisance factor.

          • stan schmunk

            Again….Yikes!

  • tz1

    Jesus, you horrid person. Don’t call the Pharisees “a brood of vipers” or “sons of the Devil” or the other awful things. It is so unCIVIL.

    No one cares if it is true or not.

  • TexasTbone

    Trump should apologize for calling Todd one immediately after Todd apologizes for being one.

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