By Michael Brown Published on March 24, 2017

In response to my latest article on “transanity,” I received an email from an individual whom we’ll call Irene and who identifies as a transgender woman. The story Irene shared with me is poignant and painful. It’s a strong warning against transgender activism. It also presents a major moral dilemma.

Irene was born male, then had sex change surgery while running from God. Irene has now changed his legal identity to female and married a man. Since then, Irene has come to faith. Now both Irene and Irene’s husband want to follow Jesus together.

Irene’s Story

This is the first email Irene sent me:

Dr. Brown,

Just read your Transanity article. Thank you for curt and scripture based article on this. I am a transgendered person. I struggled all my life. I turned from God and did what I knew was wrong many years ago. I was born a male, and now live as female for the last 15 years. God started calling me back a couple years ago. I rededicated my life to following Jesus, and living for him, and what he can do for a lost person. I can’t change the things I’ve done to myself, and ones that loved me. God showed me that I should not promote, or be in that community because of the insanity of thinking. God forgiving me for taking my life in my hands was easy. It has always been forgiving myself that has been hard. I am still a work in progress. I spend time with my Lord and Savior everyday. My past is not mine anymore. My future is in God’s hand. Again thank you for your article. I get tired of articles and news promoting the lifestyle.

So, Irene, who self-identifies as “a work in progress, expressed regret for transitioning from male to female. Irene also spoke of the “insanity of thinking” among transgender activists.

I wrote back, asking Irene, “Do you feel that God ultimately wants you to identify as female?”

How God ultimately wants me to identify is confusing. I am married* to a loving husband who shares my faith, and have been for the last 13 years. It was his mother who got me going back to church, and ultimately rededicating my life to Christ.

What about the choice to transition? How does Irene view that choice now?

Was my choice to transition what God wanted for my life? No I don’t believe it was. I believe I had let so much sin into my life that I made selfish sinful choices in my life. At this point I don’t see God wanting me to destroy a second marriage, and destroy a person, my husband.

I don’t live a life of promoting my choice. In fact I cringe each time I see on television, online, or read about how great it is for transitioning. I know the pain, the sin, the hurt, and how confused the people are. Before they make a choice that changes their life forever, they need to have a God conversation instead of a Selfish conversation with themselves, or some group promoting and encouraging them.

For all those celebrating the likes of Bruce Jenner and Jazz (the teenage, transgender reality TV star), and for all those promoting transgender ideology, I urge you to read these words again: “I cringe each time I see on television, online, or read about how great it is for transitioning. I know the pain, the sin, the hurt, and how confused the people are.”

What are the lasting effects of Irene’s choice?

There are residual damages from my choices that don’t go away. Consequential Sin I call it. I have to live with the consequences of my choices, pain I caused myself, others, and the way I ran away from God. God is slowly healing my life, and relationships I ruined with sin. Can God still use me to impact others. Yes, He can and He does.

And where does that leave Irene today?

I am not trying to justify myself or choices. That’s what I did 18 years ago to justify my choices. I have an intimate relationship with God, and He directs my path at this point in my life. Ultimately He will put me where he wants me, and use me as He wants. I pray for His direction in my life constantly.

Praying for Irene and Others Struggling With Gender Identity

Join me in praying for God’s best for Irene and Irene’s husband. Pray that God would make His will known and that He would pour out His all-sufficient grace to walk out the hard choices that lay before them. I don’t know if they’re in a celibate, best-friend relationship right now or actually living as a married couple. Let’s continue to pray for those who struggle deeply with their gender identity while also opposing the transanity of our culture.

We need hearts of compassion and backbones of steel.

We need hearts of compassion and backbones of steel. We need true compassion to stand with those who are hurting and confused. We also need steely courage to stand against those who are advancing a hurtful and confusing agenda.

 

*I understand that, in God’s sight, this is a marriage between two biological males, but I share this to help readers realize how difficult these issues are for people to work through.

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  • Patmos

    Paul wrote to the Church at Galatia:

    “I do not frustrate the grace of God” -2:21

    I’ve seen another translation say, “I do not nullify the grace of God…”

    God’s grace cannot be turned off, for if it could then it would not be grace. The devil will try his best to pin many things on believers, but by turning towards that ever flowing grace they enter into the love of God. Hallelujah.

  • mcg99

    I do pray for transgenders,ni have a nephew so decided he wanted to be a woman, my heart hurts for him, but one day as I was praying for him, God revealed the following to me: on November 21, 2014
    God woke me up to pray for my nephew. God revealed to me that it doesn’t matter what people do to themselves on the outside He knows the heart! He reminded me of the three Hebrew children,- the enemy changed their name but God knew them still!!!

    • Gary

      Oh please. Sorry about your nephew, but if you think he is right with God, you don’t have a clue.

      • Victoria Martin

        And you do? Who gave you the right to judge? Read Job.

        • Gary

          Why are you judging me? Hypocrite.

        • Jim Walker

          I do agree to a certain degree of what Gary said (in his hatred) but cannot express well.
          God see the heart of a person. However it is the heart that makes how you look outside eventually. If deep down inside that nephew still wanted to be a transgender, he is not right with God… yet.

        • Royce E. Van Blaricome

          God. Same as He did me and every other follower of Jesus. Read your Bible.

          • Ruth

            You’re right. We are commanded to judge.

    • Sonnys_Mom

      Please be careful– the source of such “messages” may not be what you think. And yes, it DOES matter– there are health risks to this drastic surgery, including an extremely high suicide rate among these individuals. Rven the hormone regimen is dangerous. Please encourage your nephew to seek counselng and support from someone committed to TRUE healing and genuine autonomy. To initiate the referral process:
      contactus @ therapeuticchoice dot com

    • John Bernhardt

      Did you at all consider that maybe God has given your nephew the revelation that troubles him?

  • Gary

    I don’t buy it. If “Irene” was right with God (fat chance of that ever happening), he would stop trying to be a woman, since he was born a man and will always be a man. He would also end his “marriage”, which is a sham.

    • Patmos

      God is the vine dresser and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.

      If this man who calls himself Irene continues in God’s word he will know the truth and the truth will set him free.

    • Victoria Martin

      That is very shaming. Have you received no mercy?

      • Gary

        Shaming? “Irene” is the man trying to be a woman married to a man. It is “Irene” who is shaming himself by his immoral behavior.

      • Sonnys_Mom

        Truth is often very painful, and false mercy will not lead to true healing. “Irene”, having woken up, now has to live every day with the painful consequences of unwise decisions. Every possible effort should be made to prevent loved ones from making the toxic choices that “Irene” once made.

    • Jim Walker

      He is still Work in Progress. Give him a chance will ya?
      At least we read of someone who maybe able to help others to overcome their mindset.
      Such issues are not just popping a pill and presto! You’re healed.

      • Gary

        He has had many chances, and he squandered them all. If he was right with God, he would not be behaving as he is.

        • Jim Walker

          if all of them are able to walk straight… Gary the evil forces are at work.. do pray for these people. Easy to condemn, but they are victims…

    • Sonnys_Mom

      Unfortunately, this kind of healing does not happen overnight. Once this destructive surgery is done, the decision to “return” is particularly hard to remounce. The suicide rate for these individuals following the surgery is as high as 40 percent greater than for the general population. Walt Heyer documents the difficult journey back and “return to sanity”.

      • Gary

        If and when “Irene” starts living as a man, ends the marriage to his “husband”, and really begins to live like a Christian, then there might be a slim possibility that he is trying to get right with God. Until that happens, he has no credibility.

        • Sonnys_Mom

          Getting INTO that lifestyle is an easy decision to make– promoted by a toxic secular culture– but the return (for the ones fortunate to wake up from the delusion!) is difficult. But if you’ll recall the parable of the Prodigal Son, the father RAN OUT TO MEET HIM. We can only pray, and hope, for such individuals.

          • Gary

            You pray and hope for them, if you want to. I have better things to do.

          • Sonnys_Mom

            Gary, we all should, because this may be satan’s ultimate slap-in-the-face at God, the ultimate way to attack the beauty of His creation. And what better way to perpetrate satan’s Big Lie… than to convince the weak and vulnerable that it’s all about “freedom and autonomy”. (Notice– he’s still using still the same line.) One of the great crises of our time; Eden revisited.

          • D.Vo

            That time might be wisely spent in introspection and reflecting on the sin of pride. “Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.”

          • Gary

            I’ll give your suggestion all the credibility it deserves.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Twist not Scripture lest you be like Satan. That and the “judge not” are perhaps the two most misused verses in Scripture.

          • Ruth

            Indeed!

  • Autrey Windle

    Irene has shown great courage to face her personal truth and to trust God’s promise to forgive sins that are repented of. One or two things she wrote to you hit a nerve with me and I want to say something regarding. Please see that she gets my words if you find them appropriate. The first thing was about how hard it is to forgive herself. That is such a common problem we humans share. I would offer her a solution that works for me in those circumstances; I ask myself if I would forgive my Mother, sister, best friend for whatever I have trouble reconciling and it helps me to see a bit of the Father’s love in myself for His child, myself.

    The other thing that gave me pause was the sentence that begins “At this point I don’t see God wanting me to destroy…”. I want to say first that I believe her words tell something she may not have known she told when she said ‘me to destroy’. I want to tell her that she can surrender to God ALL power and by surrendering her power on purpose; by consciously trusting God to show her what is the right thing to do regarding her union with the other man; she will know the peace of letting God make the hard choices. Surrender all; withholding nothing is what is demanded of us if we want to obey God. In turn, He relieves us of thinking we have the power to ‘destroy ‘ people, marriages, dreams, etc. It takes a lot of faith and God will heal our unbelief if we ask, trust, and give God the credit. It can happen in an instant or we can hold on to it for now; I want to caution Irene that there is great danger in holding on to the illusions of our own strength without God’s approval or holding on to the idea that we are creators and destroyers. That is only true under the curse of the enemy not the grace of God. I’m sure the light that Dr. Brown shines on your testimony today will fill Heaven with thousands and thousands of prayers for you to know God’s will in your life. Go with God, Dear heart. The worst is ancient history now…

    • Howard Rosenbaum

      ” one or two things SHE wrote to you ..” ?!
      Otherwise, your thoughts reflect a compassionate biblical perspective on an issue few have any real experience with & sometimes even less compassion towards …

      • Autrey Windle

        I admit I had no idea on how to address ‘Irene’. My impression of the situation based on the conversation being reported was that the comprehension of required action for complete repentance and true surrender was fragile and I decided to tread gently in the face of possibly assisting ‘Irene’ via encouragement to forge ahead in the direction being sought to understand. Sometimes we know there is no Santa Claus, but in my experience, sometimes there is no advantage in telling that to a child too soon. You are probably right on this one, but I said what I had to say to encourage forward movement toward the mercy I know God holds for we prodigals. ‘Irene’ seems to me like a prodigal on steroids but I am sure God still wants us all to come home if we still breathe. I do wish ‘Irene’ would say his real name and own it. I do wish he would lead in his association with his friend by owning that there is no marriage since God doesn’t ordain such. I was just hoping against hope that God might touch his understanding through kindness on my part. I know he will receive plenty of condemnation from others. I thought a little slack was not uncalled for. I will pray for him as I pray for all the children lost to perversion and deviant behaviors. If they come back from the brink of hell to rest on God’s word they make a mighty testimony to other lost ones.

  • Howard Rosenbaum

    Well, to quote a comic of days gone by “another fine mess you got me into”. Mr Hardy was of course addressing his concerns w/Mr Laurel. Perhaps indicative of the way we tend to not want to take responsibility for the consequences of our actions when to do so would create what appears to be greater challenges than the one we sought to address in our own wisdom. As Mr Brown correctly notes “Irene” is a man “married” to another man. That just isn’t kosher , no matter what court says it is. Hey, it won’t be easy , but seems to me that whatever relationship this couple has, needs to be revisited in the light of “Irene’s” coming to faith. Any hope for reconciliation w/The Fathers purpose & plan for these two men would seem to be predicated upon this difficult but fundamental commitment to both natural & spiritual rule. Anything less will bring about repeated performance’s of the kind Oliver Hardy would otherwise have wished to avoid. That should not be difficult to understand. W/out such deliberate steps of faith towards a God kind of solution away from this “mess” , I question how much
    healing grace will “irene’s” faith be capable of receiving ….?

    • Autrey Windle

      I question the wisdom of taking more time to accept putting the marriage issue under the umbrella of repentance. Other than that, I echo your ‘creative miracles’ possibility…

      • Howard Rosenbaum

        As an occasional reader of the varied responses echoed thru these portals of personal experience & biblical reference points I come away w/something less than a shared consensus of how we believers are supposed to respond to grace. You have some that , while well intentioned , seemingly miss the mark when it comes to mercy & understanding. We are all on a journey. Others , perhaps are taking a ride down the far side of that same road, one perhaps less traveled but still not the “straight & narrow” . Still others seem to be more closely traveling in the same steps as did & does the Master. Our objective must be that path most closely aligned w/the One who blazed that trail to begin with.
        All right enough theological imagery. Regarding your thoughts on this couples “marriage”, while not discounting their sympathies each towards the other, God who loves them both more than they or we ever could , see’s these GUYS as something other than man & wife. There is not a marriage here to protect from the downpour of God’s disappointment for them in light of their self appointed identification w/marital bliss. These guys need to reevaluate their priorities in the light of revealed truth . Then & only then will they position themselves for that “long & winding road” that for them will lead eventually to the “STRAIGHT” path were all called to travel ….

  • L. Dowell

    I appreciate the hard work Irene is doing to tell the truth. I am married to a wonderful man who wanted to transgender. We have prayed and have been honest to others of the great healing Yeshua has done in turning our lives into living stones of faith. I wanted to pursue a lesbian lifestyle. Our lives of sin and shame were changed when we both agreed not to continue in a lifestyle that did not put God first. I cannot judge Irene with where she is now. God heals us in stages. If I could Irene, I would give you a big hug. Yeshua loves you. Keep on walking with Him.

    • Victoria Martin

      Did he want to become an woman so you could stay married as lesbians? It sounds like he may have a tender, more emotional personality and you, a more even-tempered, logical one. Right or wrong? I’ve lived with that attribute all my life and have accepted my leanings as being fearfully and wonderfully made. I think part of the LGBT thing is a reaction to societal stereotyping of gender attributes. God has made all of us unique and loves each of our differences. I believe He would want us to celebrate our differences and appreciate them in others. We change things about ourselves because we dislike those things. Our not accepting ourselves as He made us probably grieves Him more than our being attracted to the wrong people.

      • L. Dowell

        Actually he started thinking he wanted to be a female when he was ten. He met me at 31. When he finally told me what he had been feeling, we had been married a year. He knew how I felt because I told him when we first met. We worked on the fear, guilt, shame together. He is not emotional, I am. He is the level headed and I am obsessive. Basically, we accepted each other and healed the past hurts. Neither of us felt the need to pursue ourselves but turned it all over to God. It is a daily renewing of the mind with the help of the Creator. It is hard to explain how God has intervened but He did. We have been married 21 1/2 years. I was suicidal when we met and he had tried to kill himself with a handgun, the hand jerked and it went through the mattress. He was 20 at the time. God intervened. Joe helped me through the dark moments because of his own sorrow. We are here today because we prayed and asked God to help.

    • Sonnys_Mom

      The great error is believing we know better than God, the One Who created us in infinitely loving wisdom and beauty. What your husband is tempted to do is a dangerous choice, one that many thousands of people regret. It is full of health risks as well as an irreversible declaration that “I am my own god!” PLEASE encourage your husband to seek counseling– from someone who will support HIM, and the healing he needs (because many therapists actually promote lgbt ideology, thus denying the truth to their counselees). Here is one resource to find a referral to someone committed to TRUE healing and autonomy for your husband:
      contactus @ therapeuticchoice dot com

      • L. Dowell

        You need to read what I wrote. The healing started 20 years ago. He and I did not pursue the selfish lifestyle. We repented and gave our body, mind and soul to the living Creator who died on the cross for our sinful ways.

  • Triple T

    It’s refreshing to hear from somebody who went through this that it doesn’t result in the fanciful, pie in the sky, Hollywood happy ending that the Left would have you believe

    • Sonnys_Mom

      Walt Heyer also offers his own experiences as testimony about the real consequences of making this decision.

  • Victoria Martin

    What a brave, courageous confession. I believe Irene could be a great influence for grace and repentance among the LGBT population just by sharing that testimony as often as God leads and permits. You have an opportunity that most of us never will have. God bless you and use you mightily!

    • Royce E. Van Blaricome

      Confession? To “confess” means to agree with God. Don’t see much of that here.

      • Johndoe

        con·fess
        kənˈfes/
        verb
        admit or state that one has committed a crime or is at fault in some way.
        “he confessed that he had attacked the old man”
        synonyms: admit, acknowledge, reveal, disclose, divulge, avow, declare, profess; More
        admit or acknowledge something reluctantly, typically because one feels slightly ashamed or embarrassed.
        “I must confess that I was slightly surprised”
        synonyms: acknowledge, admit, concede, grant, allow, own, declare, affirm
        “I confess I don’t know”
        declare (one’s religious faith).
        “150 people confessed faith in Christ”

        • Royce E. Van Blaricome

          Where’d ya get that? Evidently not from the Hebrew or the Greek. Moreover, which “confess” are you referring to?

          And what’s your point? Or are you just posting for the sake of posting to be seen? Seems like you’ve earned a Plato Award!

          “Wise men speak because they have something to say, fools speak because they have to say something” – Plato

          • Johndoe

            Just wanted to see your little cut n paste quote!

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Good! Glad I could please. So that earned another Plato Award!

            “”Wise men speak because they have something to say, fools speak because they have to say something” – Plato”

            Now repeat 10x and enjoy the heck outta yourself.

  • Shirl-Lee Graham

    Only God can judge us. We have to love the people and hate the sin. The world is so messed up because people have forgotten about God. Satan has eroded and blinded the people that everything is ok when it is not.

    • Royce E. Van Blaricome

      Whether or not that is true depends on what you mean by “judge”. Are you aware that Jesus COMMANDED His followers TO judge?

      • D.Vo

        Yes, we are to judge actions to see if they align with God’s word. That is one thing. You seem to be going beyond that in your statements to judging the person’s salvation. That is what I am understanding your words to say, that you KNOW this person is not truly saved. That kind of knowledge is ultimately up to God. It would even be different if you were saying, with some humility, that you have some reservations about it. But that is not what I’m hearing in your words.

        • Gary

          I’m saying it, flat out: “Irene” is NOT SAVED. The evidence backs that up.

          • Watchman on the Wall

            I would agree with you.

        • Royce E. Van Blaricome

          “You seem to be going beyond that in your statements to judging the person’s salvation… That kind of knowledge is ultimately up to God.”

          And THAT statement is tantamount to calling God a Liar.

          Here’s a simple test for you:

          A man comes to you and says, “I don’t believe Jesus is the only way to God. I believe there are many ways to God. I personally believe in Jesus and have accepted Him as my personal Savior but I don’t believe that He is the only way for other people.”

          Is that man saved or not?

          And, if that test is too difficult for you, I’ll make it even easier:

          A man comes to you and says, “I don’t believe Jesus is the only way to God. I believe there are many ways to God.”

          Is that man saved or not?

          And, if THAT test is too difficult for you, I’ll make it even easier:

          A man comes to you and says, “I don’t believe there is a God. Period”

          Is that man saved or not?

          Now, before you answer, I suggest you go back and reread what you wrote. If you are a Christian I expect we’ll be seeing a confession and repentance forthcoming.

          • D.Vo

            I agree with your statements above in regard to salvation. If a person made such statements, we would know that he is not saved. But this person never made such statements. That is my point. Repentance is a necessary part of salvation, but we don’t necessarily recognize everything that needs to change instantaneously. God is still showing me things in my own life that I need to change to align me with His word. This person’s testimony indicates a person open to God doing the same in his life. I would expect things to continue to move in that direction. Not everyone has reached sinless perfection like yourself.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Ok, so I guess I need to give another test or two that don’t revolve around just “statements”. Which I find a bit ironic given that where the Bible puts more emphasis on behavior than words, you seem to be doing the opposite. So, here we go again.

            A man comes to you and says, “I am a Christian. I believe in Jesus. We should try to follow what He taught. But just don’t push it on anyone else. I believe religion is a personal, private matter and none of anyone else’s business.

            I do not believe we should be trying to “spread the Gospel” because that’s just shoving your religion down somebody’s throat and it pushes them away. Build relationships with people. Make them like you and want to be your friend and then they will want Jesus too.

            I believe Jesus is my savior. But telling others that Jesus is the ONLY way is just way too narrow-minded. I believe I have been “Born Again” and am a new creation is Christ. But I don’t have to wear it on my sleeve for everybody to see.

            I believe God is all powerful and ever present. But I believe in the Separation of Church and State. We need to leave God out of politics. I had no problem with the attempt to take God out of the platform at the DNC Convention.

            I believe I was created in the image of God. But don’t tell me what I can do with my body. I believe in abortion and assisted suicide. It’s my body and I can do what I want with it. I believe in supporting Planned Parenthood and I actively do so – both with my time and my money.

            I believe the Bible is the inspired Word of God. But you can’t take everything it says literally and it was written years ago so it doesn’t apply to much of today. Science has taught us so much today that we must take into account how the Bible fits in to what we know today. Obviously Science and Evolution has proved that the Earth was not created in a literal six days.

            I know God speaks to me and I don’t agree with everything the Bible says. I believe God created Adam & Eve and I believe what the Bible says about marriage. But God is love and I believe God wants equality for everyone and doesn’t condemn someone because they just happen to love another of the same sex. I believe Same-Sex marriage between two loving people is more ok with God than a heterosexual marriage where they don’t love each other.

            I am a Christian. I know Jesus was born of a virgin, lived a sinless life, died a sinless death on a cruel cross as my sacrifice. Took the wrath of God that I deserved upon Himself and paid my sin debt. I know Jesus said, “If you love me you will obey me.” But my sins are forgiven – past, present, and future – so obedience really doesn’t matter.

            I believe in God and Jesus because I know they love me and they want me to be happy. I will never be persecuted or suffer because I am a Christian. I am a Christian because I want to go to Heaven. But I don’t believe I have to go to church. I don’t believe in “organized religion”. I believe I will go to Heaven because I’ve tried to be a good person and for the most part I am. I go to church now and then but I worship God in my own way. Besides, I don’t believe that a loving God would really send anyone to Hell anyways.

            I am a Christian and you can’t judge me and tell me I’m not!!!

            How would you respond to their claim?

          • D.Vo

            You’re still going way beyond what I said or what the person in the article said. Neither I nor he made any such claims.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            You didn’t answer the question. That’s called Distraction & Diversion. Obviously, you’d rather do that than come back and confess you’re wrong and repent.

            So, I’ll answer it for you. No, I did NOT go beyond what the person in the article said. He openly contradicted God’s Word on what it means to be saved and a follower of Christ numerous times.

            Furthermore, YOU said “That kind of knowledge is ultimately up to God.” Then you contradicted yourself with, “I agree with your statements above in regard to salvation. If a person made such statements, we would know that he is not saved.”

            So, once again, you’ve shown yourself lacking in the Word of God and having a solid Theological foundation by which you make determinations. That was EVIDENT with your original “That kind of knowledge is ultimately up to God” BECAUSE it contradicts the very words of Jesus. Matt. 15:18, Lk. 6:45, Matt. 7:15-23.

            Now, isn’t it time to accept the Word of God and confess/repent?

          • D.Vo

            I wasn’t explicit. But it was not my intent to imply that there is no way to know if a person is saved or not. My point was not that we cannot know at all, just that we don’t have enough information to go on here as you seem to think we do. Just as you are presuming a great deal about me that is not warranted based on our very brief conversation and your “tests” and scenarios unrelated to the article or anything I have said. I’m not interested in continuing this conversation because it has not been fruitful.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Ah, but you WERE “explicit”. Can’t get anymore explicit than “”That kind of knowledge is ultimately up to God.” But I guess weaseling around the issue is easier than just confessing and repenting.

            And my point is that we have MORE than enough to say. If you knew God’s Word you would too.

            I’m not presuming anything about you. I have simply taken you for what you have said. Nothing more.

            My “tests” were NOT unrelated to the article and they DIRECTLY dealt with what YOU SAID.

            Of course you’re not interested in continuing this conversation. It’s not going the way you’d like and you continue to show your “fruit” with each comment.

            So yes, it has been fruitful. Though the fruit has been bad from your tree.

          • David Quelle

            I have nothing against any of your logic or biblical understanding. In fact, I appreciate your perspective. However, you do sound very angry, aggressive and overly confrontational. I appreciate your perspective but you could tone down the aggression a little ☺

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            See John 7:24. I’m not angry at all. None whatsoever. Though, if I were, what would be wrong with that?

            Do you know that Christians are COMMANDED to be angry??

            Do you ‘spose Jesus spoke in a soft, sweet voice with a lisp when He said, “you wicked generation of vipers” or “get behind me Satan”??

            You say you have nothing against any of my logic or biblical understanding SO would you say the same thing to Jesus? “Jesus, I really have nothing against any of your logic and biblical understanding but could you tone down the aggression a little?”

            So again, see John 7:24. Thanks for sharing but your perspective is your perspective and that’s all it is. How about focusing more on the Truth of what’s said then how you PERCEIVE something to having been said?

          • Reason2012

            Do you know that Christians are COMMANDED to be angry??

            Quite the opposite.
            Matthew 5:21-22 “Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.”

            1 Corinthians 13:1-5 “Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity [love], I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
            And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
            And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.
            Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; “

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Wrong again. Twist not Scripture lest you be like Satan.

            I’m surprised you actually quoted the whole verse but not surprised that you didn’t see the “without a cause” and 1st Cor. 13:1-5 says NOTHING about being angry.

            No wonder you completely ignore the very clear COMMAND to be angry. And, of course, not only is there the clear COMMAND to be angry but there is the admonition to be conformed into the image of Christ. Christians SHOULD be angry about the same things that make Christ angry. Duh!

            Time to drop your “reason” and just accept the Word of God. Oh, and btw, it’s time to confess your bore false witness against me with your “Quite the opposite”.

            I’ll wait.

          • Reason2012

            You have yet to cite the COMMAND to act angry and hateful towards others, hence you have yet to show I’m twisting anything. Think twice before you judge the heart of other believers as on their way to_hell.

            And you still ignore 1 Corinthians that says anything we do profits NOTHING if we do not have love. You instead teach hate and anger and falsely say Jesus commanded it, then tell others who try to correct you they’re satan and on their way to_hell.

            Please think again.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            There ya go again, Satan. I never said a word about being ‘hateful toward others”. THAT is twisting what I said. Typical of those who continue to habitually sin without any confession, repentance, or contrition of any sort.

            Eph. 4:26 is the COMMAND. Yes, it is a Present Imperative in the Greek.

            And I did specifically show how you twisted God’s Word. You’re just too full of yourself to see it and wanna do anything about it.

            Then you bear false witness again. More sin.

            And you’ve twisted 1st Cor. 13 too. More acting just like Satan. No surprise.

            You seem to connect Love to something, which is anyone’s guess, that it is not. Perhaps you think it’s a feeling and it is NOT!!!

            God is Love
            Jesus is God
            Jesus lived out and showed God’s Love perfectly ALWAYS.

            So, was Jesus being loving or unloving when He said, “You wicked generation of vipers”?

            Was Jesus being loving or unloving when He said, “You’re like white-washed sepulchers full of dead men’s bones”?

            Was Jesus being loving or unloving when He turned over the tables and took a whip to the Moneychangers?

            Was Jesus being loving or unloving when He said to Peter, “Get behind me Satan!”?

            I submit Jesus was being loving in all those instances and more. I also submit that your misplaced “compassion” for a guy who is gonna spend Eternity in the torment of the Lake of Fire because you’d rather have compassion on him than tell him the truth and bring him the cure is most unloving. 

            But, according to YOU, He didn’t profit anything. LOL

            Still waiting for that confession, repentance, and apology. Try pulling the Giant Sequoia Tree outta your eye socket and then come on back and preach some more about Love.

            6 No one who lives in him keeps on sinning. No one who continues to sin has either seen him or known him.
            7 Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. The one who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous. 8 The one who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil’s work. 9 No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God. 10 This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not God’s child, nor is anyone who does not love their brother and sister.

            And yet you keep right on twisting Scripture, lying, bearing false witness, making false accusations. And my guess is you’ll do it again with another reply.

          • Reason2012

            There ya go again, Satan. I never said a word about being ‘hateful toward others”. THAT is twisting what I said.

            I didn’t say you “said” it – you are DOING it, and hence with your false claim we are commanded to get angry imply by your hate that you think we’re commanded to be hateful as well.

            Glad you understand that we’re not to be hateful towards others.
            Our own words will be our judge when we claim to know something we should not do but do it anyway. so I suggest you stop with the hate and instead stick to supposed Scriptural facts.

            So, was Jesus being loving or unloving when He said, “You wicked generation of vipers”?

            He was judging them for their wickedness in the face of the Holy Spirit. Were you faced with doing many miracles over time by the power of the Holy Spirit and others said you were doing so by the power of the devil and were seeking to_kill you?

            No.

            So you don’t go around calling people “you wicked generation of vipers”, which is WHY Jesus was doing so, judging them.

            ARe you supposed to go around judging others, let alone those who profess faith in Christ?

            No.

            Yet you do so.

            Matthew 7:1-2 “]Jesus said] Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.”

            You instead falsely claim that’s God “commanded” us to be angry (and by implication of your hateful words and judgments that God said we are to be judging and hateful).

            And here is what God says about us being angry towards others and doing what you do and acting hateful:

            Matthew 5:21-22 “Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment: But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.”

            1 Corinthians 13:1-5 “Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity [love], I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.
            And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity, I am nothing.
            And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity, it profiteth me nothing.
            Charity suffereth long, and is kind; charity envieth not; charity vaunteth not itself, is not puffed up, Doth not behave itself unseemly, seeketh not her own, is not easily provoked, thinketh no evil; “

            You will have to completely ignore I Corinthians which talks about what we say and do being WORTHLESS if you do not have love, which the anger (and by implication of your behavior: hate) you falsely command us to have is quite the opposite. You will instead throw more ad hominem like “you’re satan” “you lie” or some other attack. Love has patience, is kind, is not puffed up.

            2 Peter 2:11 “Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not railing accusation against them before the Lord.”

            Angels do not even bring railing accusation, yet here you are passing out judgments and railing accusations calling others satan who point out scriptures that contradict your claims.

            Jude 1:9 “Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.”

            The archangel will not even bring railing accusations against Satan Himself, but you go around calling people satan and spreading hate.

            Please think again.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            “I didn’t say you “said” it – you are DOING it, and hence with your false claim we are commanded to get angry imply by your hate that you think we’re commanded to be hateful as well.”

            The command is NOT a false claim. I cited the verse for you. So you are openly and outright lying, now calling God a Liar, and continuing to bear false witness and make false accusations. Since you continue to do so on a repeated basis, you are practicing lawlessness and revealing yourself as a Poser.

            Which leads to the obvious conclusion that your quoting Scriptures is following the example of Satan.

            “Glad you understand that we’re not to be hateful towards others. Our own words will be our judge when we claim to know something we should not do but do it anyway. so I suggest you stop with the hate and instead stick to supposed Scriptural facts.”

            There’s the Sequoia Tree again.

            “So, was Jesus being loving or unloving when He said, “You wicked generation of vipers”?
            He was judging them for their wickedness in the face of the Holy Spirit. ”

            Didn’t answer the question. More Satanic tactics of deception, diversion, distraction, personal attacks, and ad hominem. Thank you for continuing to provide the example of how one acts when they follow Satan.

            “ARe you supposed to go around judging others, let alone those who profess faith in Christ? No.”

            Thank you for once again denying the COMMAND that Jesus gave to His followers TO judge. I truly appreciate you being so open about your denial of Christ and His commands.

            “Matthew 7:1-2 “]Jesus said] Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.””

            Again, ANOTHER public display of acting just like Satan and twisting Scripture!! Had you only quoted the next 3 verses you would have shown that is NOT a command to not judge but rather an instruction on HOW TO judge and obey Christ’s clear COMMAND to judge. But then, that’s how Satan and His minions work. Take a verse and pull it out of a passage that completely contradicts what the passage said. Thank you for that fine example of Satan’s tactics.

            “You instead falsely claim that’s God “commanded” us to be angry (and by implication of your hateful words and judgments that God said we are to be judging and hateful).”

            No, my claims aren’t false because I’ve back them up with Scripture. I provided the verse that shows it IS a COMMAND to be angry. I even went so far as to further say we are to be conformed unto the image of Christ and He got angry so we should too.

            And yes, we ARE to judge. So you’re a Liar and deny Christ and His clear commands. It is just as clear a COMMAND that we are TO judge as it is that we are to be angry. What really pathetic is that there is NO excuse because a simple Google search would have led you straight to the one single verse that proves that along with oodles of solid Biblical writings on the subject.

            Your pathetic demonstration of twisting God’s Word, mischaracterizing Him and the Person of Jesus, and misrepresenting God is flatly INEXCUSABLE!!!!!!!!!!!

            Because you have so well demonstrated your continued misrepresentation of God’s Word, denial of God’s Word, and repeated doing of Satan’s bidding by attempting to deceive and mislead, I’m not even gonna address your further doing so with the Scriptures you’ve cited.

          • Reason2012

            Do you know that Christians are COMMANDED to be angry??So I point out this is false, you claim:

            The command is NOT a false claim. I cited the verse for you. So you are openly and outright lying

            You cited Christ judging those who were blaspheming the Holy Spirit many times over His ministry by claiming His miracles that they witnessed were by the power of the devil. You didn’t cite Christ being angry. You didn’t cite Him Commanding us to be angry. You didn’t cite Him commanding us to judge others which you also continue to do. He instead commanded us to not judge unless we’re without sin – i.e., to NOT judge.

            Matthew 7:1-2 “Judge not, that ye be not judged. For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.”

            John 8:7 So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.”

            Take care, Royce.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            No, Deceiver. Nice try. I cited Eph 4:26. Just THREE posts up I specifically said, “Eph. 4:26 is the COMMAND. Yes, it is a Present Imperative in the Greek.” So again you publicly show yourself to be a Liar, Deceiver, and false Accuser of the Brethren.

            I’ve already addressed your pathetic attempt to twist Scripture when you previously cited Matt. 7:1-2. Acting just like Satan, which is not only foolish in itself but downright STUPID when anyone with eyes to see can read the next THREE verses for themselves and see what you are doing!!!!

            So thank you again for showing yourself a false prophet by twisting God’s Word, lying about what God has said, saying God said something that He didn’t, and just generally speaking falsely for God. As with all Posers there is NO fear of the Lord before you and therefore no wisdom.

            I appreciate your public testimony and willingness to reveal yourself for who you are.

          • Reason2012

            You cited Jesus many times with his comments in your attempt to claim it’s ok to be angry.

            Ok but let’s look at Ephesians 4:26

            Ephesians 4:26 “Be ye angry, and sin not: let not the sun go down upon your wrath:”

            That’s not a command to be angry. As you know, the Bible was not written in English. That’s pointing out that when we are angry, sin not.

            Many have explained this. Here’s Matthew Henry’s exposition:

            “Take heed of anger and ungoverned passions. Be you angry, and sin not,” Eph_4:26. This is borrowed from the Septuagint translation of Psa_4:4, Stand in awe, and sin not: commune with your own heart upon your bed, and be still. Selah.” where we render it, Stand in awe, and sin not.

            Here is an easy concession; for as such we should consider it, rather than as a command. Be you angry. This we are apt enough to be, God knows: but we find it difficult enough to observe the restriction, and sin not. “If you have a just occasion to be angry at any time, see that it be without sin; and therefore take heed of excess in your anger.”

            If we would be angry and not sin (says one), we must be angry at nothing but sin; and we should be more jealous for the glory of God than for any interest or reputation of our own.

            One great and common sin in anger is to suffer it to burn into wrath, and then to let it rest; and therefore we are here cautioned against that. “If you have been provoked and have had your spirits greatly discomposed, and if you have bitterly resented any affront that has been offered, before night calm and quiet your spirits, be reconciled to the offender, and let all be well again: Let not the sun go down upon your wrath. If it burn into wrath and bitterness of spirit, O see to it that you suppress it speedily.”

            Observe, Though anger in itself is not sinful, yet there is the utmost danger of its becoming so if it be not carefully watched and speedily suppressed. And therefore, though anger may come into the bosom of a wise man, it rests only in the bosom of fools.

            Neither give place to the devil, Eph_4:27. Those who persevere in sinful anger and in wrath let the devil into their hearts, and suffer him to gain upon them, till he bring them to malice, mischievous machinations, etc. “Neither give place to the calumniator, or the false accuser” (so some read the words); that is, “let your ears be deaf to whisperers, talebearers, and slanderers.”

            Hope this helps.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Again, you lie. Not only did you not rest your case or confess & repent your previous numerous enumerated sins but you lie again about Scripture.

            No wonder you can’t even read the very Commentary you post for what it says.

            I do find it the height of irony though that you would reveal yourself again with “Neither give place to the calumniator, or the false accuser” (so some read the words); that is, “let your ears be deaf to whisperers, talebearers, and slanderers.””

            A well-fitting place to leave it for you!

            For anyone else reading this, don’t fall to Reason2012’s deception but rather read the commentary closely and you will see that Henry himself doesn’t deny that this is a command. Rather he admits that being angry is in itself an easy thing to do and thus places the emphasis on “but sin not”. He doesn’t negate that it IS a command.

            Some Commentators try to make this a debatable subject because of their own preconceived POV. Such as Reason2012 (an apt moniker for one who relies on his own wisdom instead of submitting to Scripture) does in all his posts on the matter.

            Some try to turn the verse into a form of Indicative such as Declarative or Interrogative but that is ignoring, and even rejecting, that it is an Imperative. Some try to change it inter a Permissive, Conditional, or Concessive Imperative and some (like Reason2012 apparently) into a Prohibitive Imperative.

            The FACT is it is in the Present Imperative. Period. Any attempt to change the Word of God, from what it actually is, is the Devil’s work. Period. And THAT is what Reason2012 has been doing.

            Bottom Line: If you don’t get angry and the things that anger God you are missing the mark.

          • Reason2012

            As Matthew points out: “Let not the sun go down upon your wrath.”, Royce. This alone refutes your claim that Matthew in any way backs up it’s a command to be angry when even he points out we are to make sure we get rid of our anger before we go to sleep.

            Not to mention the rest of the Bible that points out we are to have charity (love, which is the opposite of anger) – that without charity what we do and say is worth NOTHING.

            Take care, Royce.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            NO it does NOT!! But thanks again for making it abundantly clear to everyone that you read what you want into what is said instead of reading what is said.

            That’s not only just complete ignorance that anyone who’s not deluded themselves by their own disobedience and rejection of the Word can see but it is a clear sign of one who’s so steeped in their of Pride, self-serving theology, and stubborn will to hold onto a lie that they’ve completely given themselves over to a totally unteachable spirit.

            Anyone else with a brain between their ears can see that the admonishment to get rid of one’s anger before they go to bed is NOT a command not to be angry! Duh!!

            As for the rest, I’ve already addressed that before when you brought up. I appreciate you trying to point out that Jesus was not loving all the time. I don’t know, in fact I haven’t a clue, why you are so persistent toward completely discrediting yourself and showing yourself to be a Poser.

            But it is appreciated.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            I need to add some more here for the benefit of others and to expose this wolf more for what Reason2012 is.

            For anyone who is remotely tempted to give any credence to this wolf’s deception, PLEASE go back and read the very preceding verse and the very subsequent verse.

            Eph. 4:25 says, “Therefore, laying aside falsehood (that is in the Aorist Participle) SPEAK TRUTH EACH ONE of you WITH HIS NEIGHBOR, (that is in the Present Imperative) for we are members of one another.”

            That “Present Imperative” tense is the SAME EXACT tense as Verse 26!! Reason2012 would have you believe “be angry and sin not ” is NOT a COMMAND. Now if that is true then God is not commanding us to be truthful with one another and therefore lying to fellow Believers is just fine and dandy with God. That might explain Reason2012’s behavior but it is NOT what God says. It IS a COMMAND. Just as Verse 26 is. The COMMAND to speak truth is the same as the COMMAND to be angry. Neither is a suggestion!

            Verse 27 says, “neither give place to the devil.” That again is in the “Present Imperative” tense. The SAME EXACT tense as Verse 26!! It is a COMMAND to NOT give room to the Devil. According to Reason2012 that would mean God is telling us that it’s fine and dandy to give the Devil room in our lives.

            Exegesis 101 teaches that a passage must be taken in context and if there is a question about a verse or passage the context determines. If there is ANY doubt in your mind as to whether Verse 26 is a COMMAND or what a “Present Imperative” is, you only need to look at the very preceding and very subsequent verses to understand.

            One MUST apply the same exact principles to Verse 25 & 27 as they do to Verse 26. To do otherwise is clear evidence of Eisegesis and it is NO mistake that the Holy Spirit inspired those 3 verses to be together and said in the way they were.

            No wonder that Reason2012 goes to some Commentary, that actually doesn’t even support his supposition, and then tries to wrangle it to say something it doesn’t instead of using Scripture and basic Exegetical and Hermeneutical principles.

            Reason2012 has once again proven himself to lie, twist God’s Word, misrepresent God’s Word, and deceive. Therefore as a false teacher and unrepentant false Accuser of the Brethren who repeatedly rejects God’s Word while steadfastly holding to attempts to deceive others, he is according to God’s Word to be rebuked and avoided.

          • RuthER

            This is lovely to read. Thanks for sharing Reason.

          • Reason2012

            Yes, God’s Word is a joy to read! May God bless!

          • RuthER

            Do you have Asperger’s Syndrome?

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Nope. But thanks for showing you have a Jeremiah 17:9 heart. I always appreciate it when you Posers reveal yourselves and completely discredit everything you’ve said.

            Matt. 15:18, Lk. 6:44-45, Eph. 4:29, Col. 3:8

            Another little, feckless, fiery dart. But hey, thanks for the blessing!!

          • John Bernhardt

            Everybody you disagree with is of Satan. Sounds very pleasant to me.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            That’s a lie but tell that to Jesus.

            “Wise men speak because they have something to say, fools speak because they have to say something” – Plato

          • John Bernhardt

            Actually , I stand corrected you only linked a few of the people you disagreed with Satan, though others you called trolls, posers etc.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Apology accepted. And if the shoe fits…

          • D.Vo

            If you were truly trying to take me at my word, you would acknowledge my clarification that I was only speaking to this specific situation, not the other scenarios you presented. When I said, “That kind of knowledge is ultimately up to God,” my point was that we don’t know everything about this situation and you are saying with certainty that this person is not saved. I clarified in a subsequent comment that I didn’t mean there is NO scenario where we wouldn’t know. You are insisting that I wasn’t being honest. I simply was not clear in my wording. You seem more interested in being argumentative than listening to what is actually being said by the other person.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            I not only took you at your word, I repeated them verbatim here more than once. What I acknowledged is that your clarification was a weaseling around not having to admit you were wrong as EVIDENCED by your continued refusal to do so and hold to the opinion that we can’t say whether the man was saved.

            The other scenarios I presented were just as applicable as the parables that Jesus told.

            “my point was that we don’t know everything about this situation and you are saying with certainty that this person is not saved.”

            And that proves my point again!! Your point is REALLY that YOU don’t know. And because YOU don’t know enough about what God has said you think nobody else can either and therefore nobody else can make the call because YOU can’t. Well, that is just WRONG!!

            MAYBE if you had a bit more of a teachable spirit you’d listen and understand.

            “You seem more interested in being argumentative than listening to what is actually being said by the other person.”

            And MAYBE if you were more interested in the Truth you wouldn’t be so focused on what I “seem to be”. And MAYBE if you would go back and apply those very same words to yourself, you might just wake up a little.

          • RuthER

            Mr Royce you need to just STOP. Do you personally know Irene? You are writing about all kinds of things that have nothing at all to with Dr Brown’s article, so I’m seriously wondering if you have some knowledge of Irene that the rest of us do not. Either that or you need to stop and confess your sins of arrogance and cruelty. You need to stop and ask yourself whether you have been exhibiting the fruit of the Spirit. Or maybe you have some struggle in your life that instead of dealing with you are taking out your frustrations on Irene. Maybe some sun in your heart that you are blind to, unlike Irene who courageously admits it and agreed to let Dr Brown publish it.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            I’ll take that admonition in light of your other ungodly comments and instead choose to obey the Lord Jesus Christ.

            Thank you for once again revealing yourself and your heart with your false accusations and mischaracterizations.

            Tell ya what, why don’t you go look up every single Scripture reference I made AND what the fruit of the Spirit actually is, shake off the disguise of being an angel of light, and then come on back and address what I said because we Christians know as Christ has taught that when one can’t attack the Message they’ll attack the Messenger.

            Oh, and before you decide to come back with anymore of your nonsense, how about you look up 1st Tim. 2:11-23 and actually practice exercising that? Although, in fairness, I must say you’re not actually “teaching”. Just regurgitating the same old pablum of the Biblically ignorant who have created some namby-pamby Jesus in their own image.

  • Jim Walker

    What’s gonna happen to Irene? He can’t continue the marriage with his husband and still be God’s disciple. He can’t have both ways.

  • Royce E. Van Blaricome

    I couldn’t agree more that we are in perilous times that are forcing us to deal with moral dilemmas unlike we’ve ever dealt with before. It is for this reason that I believe it is imperative to have a sound foundational Theology on which we base our thinking and decisions. What we can NOT do is start relying on our own wisdom and ways!!

    So it is on that basis that I’d like to point out some things said in this article and follow them with a question or two.

    1) “I turned from God and did what I knew was wrong many years ago. I was born a male, and now live as female for the last 15 years. God started calling me back a couple years ago.”

    So are we to believe that God was not calling him back BEFORE he had the surgery and BEFORE he got married? If that is the case then would that not be equivalent to being turned over to a reprobate mind?

    2) “I rededicated my life to following Jesus, and living for him, and what he can do for a lost person.”

    So are we to believe this person was saved BEFORE they “turned from God” and did such an abominable act that mocked God by denying and rejecting the very Creation God made? And if he did “turn from God” what exactly does that mean? How would that fit with Hebrews 6:4-6? And look at that sentence closely and just think about it! “Rededicated “my” life to following Jesus and what He can do for a “lost person”? Huh?? That doesn’t sound like someone saved to me. It sounds like Decisionism to me.

    3) “How God ultimately wants me to identify is confusing. I am married* to a loving husband who shares my faith, and have been for the last 13 years. It was his mother who got me going back to church, and ultimately rededicating my life to Christ.”

    Shares his faith? What faith would that be? Has for the past 13 years but it was only a couple years ago that God started calling him back? Huh??? So his mother got him going back to church and rededicating his life to Christ but what does that mean? As if going to church makes it all ok? This all smacks of Easy-Believism/Seeker-Sensitive false gospel and more Decisionism.

    4) “At this point I don’t see God wanting me to destroy a second marriage, and destroy a person, my husband.”

    So this “rededicated” man who says he wants to follow Jesus and live his life for Jesus still doesn’t understand what Marriage is nor what Jesus meant when He said if anyone puts anyone else before Jesus He is not worthy of Jesus. So this “husband” that shares this man’s faith doesn’t understand that Jesus must come first and that the breaking up of a phony “marriage” to get outta sin in order to obey Jesus doesn’t destroy anyone that knows Jesus is enough? So this man thinks that the wages of his sin isn’t death and 1st Cor. 6:9-10 as well as Rev. 21:8 doesn’t apply to them?

    5) “I have an intimate relationship with God, and He directs my path at this point in my life.”

    So all that he said above is what an “intimate relationship with God” looks like? And God is the one directing his path?

    Sorry, but I don’t think so. His own words belie that.

    “Pray that God would make His will known and that He would pour out His all-sufficient grace to walk out the hard choices that lay before them.”

    Why? Why can’t you just tell them what God’s will is for them, Dr. Brown? There is no reason to make it more complicated that it is. This is a man living with a man as though they are married. The will of God is that they confess (agree with God) and repent (turn AWAY from their sin).

    This is a good article in that it stands as a great example of exactly why we must look at what’s being said thru the filter of the Gospel and Scripture.

    • Sonnys_Mom

      Try going back and reading your own words: “There is no reason to make it more complicated that it is.”

      • Royce E. Van Blaricome

        I have in the past. He and I usually see eye to eye. What’s your point? Other than criticize the length of my comment?

        “Wise men speak because they have something to say, fools speak because they have to say something” – Plato

        • Sonnys_Mom

          My point is that this is an extremely difficult topic, yet your comments don’t really touch the heart of the matter in a concise, yet compassionate way.

          • Gary

            No, it isn’t an “extremely difficult topic”. Its a very simple topic. Men should behave like men and women should behave like women. Very simple.

          • RuthER

            You and Rotce and a few others are the kind of people that give Christ a foul odor in the senses of lost souls and young people deciding whether or not to continue fellow shipping with believers.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Thank you for showing your Biblical ignorance and rejection of God’s Word. If you actually relied on God’s Word instead of your own ways, will, and wisdom (See Prov. 3:5-7 and 14:12), you would know and understand that the “foul odor in the senses of lost souls” is what ALL true Believers are. (2nd Cor. 2:16)

            You would also know that what drives “young people deciding whether or not to continue fellowshipping with believers” is simply their love for and obedience to Christ. (John 14:15 and Heb. 10:25)

            But hey, thanks for proving my points about the necessity of a solid, foundational Theology and the utter bankruptcy found in the Easy-Believism, Seeker-Sensitive, “Just ask Jesus into your heart”, false Gospel.

          • RuthER

            I am one of the young people who almost left fellowshipping (I never considered leaving Christ) because of the unkindness of “Christians” and the non believers who were genuinely interested in my well-being. I have been studying the word of God my entire life, which has to do with my growth into someone who knows my relationship is with Christ, not other believers. Jesus Christ did not hesitate to call out the hypocrites (the prideful) and turn over their tables. You have faith in your own behavior and the knowledge you think you have. “Professing yourself to be wise, you became a fool” etc. Jesus explained to his disciples that they would be known as his followers because of their love, certainly not because suddenly they behaved perfectly. “Love covers a multitude of sins,” such as the sins we still commit after we have repented of our pride and humbly admitted our need for a Savior, just as “Irene” did. I would much rather get to be part of “Irene’s” maturing in the faith than part of the rut you are in that is completely unprofitable for the kingdom.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            What makes you think youj ever belonged to Christ? Every time you post you show the fruit of an Unbeliever.

            To say you almost left fellowshipping because of the unkindness (according to YOU) of Christians only goes to show you lack of love for Christ and lack of understanding of what both mean.

            “I have been studying the word of God my entire life, which has to do with my growing into someone who knows my relationship is with Christ, not with other “Christians.” ”

            And THAT proves the point. It also goes to show the Truth of God’s Word.

            When the spiritually dead try to read the Book of Life it’s like a blind man trying to read a road map before hopping in the car to drive. You have to get a heart transplant before you can have eyes to see.

            Whoever is of God hears the words of God. The reason why you do not hear them is that you are not of God.” (John 8:47)

            “The unbeliever does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him. And he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.” (1st Cor. 2:14)

            “There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures.” (2nd Peter 3:16)

            “Jesus Christ did not hesitate to call out the hypocrites”

            Yup, and you’ll experience that first-hand when you hear the words of Matt. 7:21-23 if you don’t confess, repent, and surrender your life as a slave to the Lord Jesus Christ.

            “Your faith seems to placed in your own good behavior and the knowledge you think you have. ”

            Your judgment is is WAY off. You haven’t seen me say one word about my “good behavior” or talk about my knowledge. I’ve given you the Word of God and so have others on here.

            “Many times here you have “professed yourself to be wise.”

            False accusation. Prove otherwise. Cite where I did that or stand guilty of being a false accuser of the Brethren. Another clear sign of one who belongs and follows Satan.

            “Jesus explained to his disciples that they would be known as his followers because of their love”

            That’s right. He did. AND He defined that “love” in John 14:15.

            “They were loved and accepted despite their sins”

            Again you show an utter bankruptcy in who Christ is.

            “”Love covers a multitude of sins”

            Twist not Scripture lest you be like Satan.

            “such as the sins we still commit after we have repented of our pride and humbly admitted our need for a Savior, just as “Irene” did.”

            Again, you show an ignorance of what takes place at Salvation and that cheap Grace is no grace at all.

            “I would much rather be part of “Irene’s” maturing in the faith than part of the rut you are in”

            And so you shall probably get your wish. For all Eternity.

            “please tell me how you have, in real life not in Internet land, been profitable for the kingdom? (Aka “borne fruit”)”

            I just did. Will you see it? Probably not if you don’t understand that “Internet land” is part of “real life”. As for outside the internet, why? So you can come back and tell me how self-righteous am again? You’re the one who’s studied the Word of God, supposedly, your “whole life” (another lie). You should know what God says about boasting on one’s fruits. Or perhaps you just skipped over the parts that Paul wrote and the Holy Spirit inspired words there. Wouldn’t be surprising to hear you did as there seems to be MUCH you’ve skipped over.

            All you need to know is that I have surrendered my life as a slave to the Lord Jesus Christ, begged Him to save me and allow me to live all my days to glorify God, and He did.

            You should try it sometime. And next time ya wanna come back and throw your little fiery darts, know this: 1) They get swatted down like a gnat for what they are and 2) you’d be better off addressing exactly what I said from the Word of God that was not true.

            Do that and you’ll find that you won’t be commenting at all.

          • RuthER

            I won’t be commenting or reading any more of your rubbish, including all of your recent comments except for the last sentence I couldn’t help reading. You are a very sick man in need of not only the Great Physician but several Godly male counselors. Are you from the Westboro Baptist Church? They and people like them have done more damage to the cause of Christ than Hollywood, the mainstream media, and the federal gov’t put together. You are the darkness in the world. I pray for you to come into the light and stop spreading around manure and calling it being an ambassador for Christ.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            LOL. There’s that “love” just oozing outta ya again! LOL

            Once again, thank you for putting your Jeremiah 17:9 heart on full display. Not to mention your utter hypocrisy!! Like I said before, you Posers always reveal yourself. Never takes long.

            It’s no surprise that you won’t read the truth. You love your sin. That’s John 3:19-20 clear as a bell.

            As for your armchair psychological profile, well, I’ll just take that with all the due consideration it deserves right along with your other fiery darts.

            For anyone else reading this, and I hope some are because it’s a GREAT lesson in how the Unbelievers and minions of Satan love to disguise themselves an angels of light (and love and mercy and grace – uh huh!) operate.

            When they can’t attack the Truth and the Message, they attack the Messenger. Always happens.

            “You are the darkness in the world.”

            You are a false prophetess, a Jezebel, a Poser, and a child of Satan who is a false accuser of the Brethren. And we shall see which one of us is correct.

            “I pray for you to come into the light and stop spreading around manure and calling it being an ambassador for Christ.”

            Oh yeah, I’m sure those prayers will get a lot of attention and go far! LOL

            Too bad you won’t be reading this or commenting anymore. I’m really curious, was it the quoting of Scripture and shining God’s Word on your lies that finally brought you out to reveal yourself?

          • RuthER

            Why don’t you stop and think about how complicated it is for young people to decide right from wrong in a culture far more secular and entertainment-obsessed than it was twenty years ago when I was having my doubts, despite my lifelong scripture memorization and personal research of it as a young teen. I read adult theological books starting at age 12. Stop and think about how my “knowledge” of the Word of God did not weigh higher than how aloof and unkind “Christians” were compared to my nonbelieving friends. Stop and think about how many people struggling with same sex attraction or other temptations might leave or never even try to talk to anyone at their church because of people like you. They might despair and without the fellowship might reach out to sinners just so they don’t have to be alone. You are the kind of person leaving them on their own (and their parents too, probably), vulnerable, because you don’t know how to love. I also think you need to seriously consider a psychological evaluation and medication so you can calm down enough to deal with life.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Well, how about because I choose to believe what God has said and in His power more than your worldly wisdom? Is that a good enough answer for you?

            Why don’t you stop and think about how small your god is?

            “despite my lifelong scripture memorization and personal research of it as a young teen. I read adult theological books starting at age 12.”

            LOL!! This from the same woman who said, “Your faith seems to placed in your own good behavior and the knowledge you think you have. Many times here you have “professed yourself to be wise.” ” LOL

            “Stop and think about how my “knowledge” of the Word of God did not weigh higher than how aloof and unkind “Christians” were compared to my nonbelieving friends.”

            Well, thanks for showing why you’re an Unbeliever and so full of unfaithfulness. I suppose that should be expected from someone who has such a low view of Scripture and places more power in the behavior of Christians she finds as unkind that in the POWER of the Living Word of God.

            “Stop and think about how many people struggling with same sex attraction or other temptations might leave or never even try to talk to anyone at their church because of people like you. They might despair and without the fellowship might reach out to sinners just so they don’t have to be alone.”

            Stop and think about how you’ve called God a Liar in saying that and how many years you wasted studying God’s Word your whole life (your words!) and never grasped a bit of what it said.

            “You are the kind of person leaving them on their own (and their parents too, probably), vulnerable, because you seem unable to love.”

            Why, what a “loving” thing to say! LOL You are the kind of person who typifies the Poser. Holding to a form of godliness and denying the power thereof. (2Tim 3:5) Being just like your father, Satan, who falsely accuses the Brethren instead of speaking the truth in love to the sexually immoral who practice their perversion and abominations.

            Now, for anyone else who might benefit, let’s see what God has to say about Ruth’s accusations.

            “And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil. For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed.” (John 3:19-20)

            NOTE: Does God blame His children for speaking the truth and pushing Unbelievers away? NO!

            “18 For the wrath of God IS REVEALED from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, 19 because that which IS KNOWN about God IS EVIDENT within them; for God MADE IT EVIDENT to them. 20 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been CLEARLY SEEN, being understood through what has been made, so that they are WITHOUT EXCUSE 21 For even though they KNEW God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools” (Rom. 1:18-22)

            NOTE: They KNOW the Truth and have rejected it. They are WITHOUT EXCUSE. (Not according to Ruth though. So who will you believe, God or Ruth?)

            And you are dead in your trespasses and sins, in which you walk according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience. Among them you live in the lusts of your flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and are by nature children of wrath (Eph. 2:1-3)

            God says the Unbeliever is spiritually-dead (Eph. 2:1-4), does not seek Him (Rom. 3:10-12), that no one comes to Christ unless The Father draws them (Jn. 6:44), that the Cross is an offense (Gal. 5:11), and that Christians are like the stench from death to death to them (2Cor. 2:16).

            Ruth claims that I, and others on here who have spoken the Truth, have a power greater than Almighty God to push Unbelievers away. Who will you believe?

            Ruth claims to have studies Scripture all her life and was “reading adult theological books at age 12” and yet she has a totally Unbiblical foundational theology.

            Ruth is the epitome of “There is a way that seems right to a man, but its end is the way to death.” (Pro 14:12) Ruth’s gospel is NO Gospel at all. And 2nd Tim. 3:5 is clear as crystal. AVOID such as these! They are the impetus behind the Easy-Believism, Seeker-Sensitive, Emergent Church false gospel that preaches one just has to “ask Jesus into your heart” and be saved. See what God has to say about that in Jer. 17:9.

            What I said in my initial post is spot on Truth. There is little to no evidence whatsoever to think that Irene is Born Again but there is tons of evidence to believe he is NOT. And I laid it all out quite clearly in my initial post so I won’t repeat it here.

            Suffice it to say that God says those who practice sin will NOT inherit the Kingdom of God. I’ll take Him at his word and leave Ruth to take Irene’s word.

          • Watchman on the Wall

            The scriptures are very clear what should happen here. The only people making it complicated are those offering excuses for someone content to live in sin. I’m not saying it won’t be painful because it will. Sin causes pain. But it is better to experience that pain now, in this life, get truly right with God and then spend an eternity with our heavenly Father. True love is making sure that the sinner finds the cross. True repentance brings salvation. No amount of justifying someone’s behavior is going to get them where they need to be. Love means truth.

          • RuthER

            Could you give some specific examples where anyone here who felt compassion for “Irene” was “making excuses” or ” justifying” “Irene’s” sins? “Irene” did not even do that. Do you consider yourself the kind of person who can be a friend? As far as I understand, none of us will be perfectly healed until we get to heaven, unless perhaps you can give me an example of someone who is already living in their healed, glorified body here on earth? In fact, I learned to trust Jesus after finding true believers willing to love me despite my shortcomings and struggles, willing to walk alongside me in life, representing Jesus to me and leading to a more mature understanding of who He is.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Sorry to see that you think one having an accurate and rock solid Theological foundation doesn’t “really touch the heart of the matter”.

            THAT is EXACTLY what I was talking about. Thank you.

            As for your “compassionate” way, was Jesus being “compassionate” when He asked the paraplegic at the pool of Bethesda if he wanted to be healed? What Jesus being compassionate when He told the Adulteress “go and sin no more”? Was Jesus being compassionate when He told the woman at the well that she was living in an adulterous relationship?

            I think He was.

            As for reference to “Love”. You seem to connect that to “compassionate” which turns “Love” into a feeling and it is NOT!!!

            God is Love
            Jesus is God
            Jesus lived out and showed God’s Love perfectly ALWAYS.

            So, was Jesus being loving or unloving when He said, “You wicked generation of vipers”?

            Was Jesus being loving or unloving when He said, “You’re like white-washed sepulchers full of dead men’s bones”?

            Was Jesus being loving or unloving when He turned over the tables and took a whip to the Moneychangers?

            Was Jesus being loving or unloving when He said to Peter, “Get behind me Satan!”?

            I submit Jesus was being loving in all those instances and more. I also submit that your misplaced “compassion” for a guy who is gonna spend Eternity in the torment of the Lake of Fire because you’d rather have compassion on him than tell him the truth and bring him the cure is most unloving.

          • RuthER

            Mr Royce I’m praying right now against your sin of pride, the Original Sin that Jesus came to save. Are you saved?

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Interesting. Since you’ve made the accusation, please state specifically where I committed a sin of pride? I know you’re not omniscient and you obviously don’t have any discernment since you had to ask if I’m saved or not and since NOTHING that I said could remotely be seen as puffing myself up or stemming from Pride, it begs the question exactly what you’re praying against. In fact, since I specifically relayed what God’s Word says, I wonder how you think praying against that is something God is gonna take kindly to?

            Moreover, since you’ve made a false accusation and bore false witness against a son of God (Does that answer your question?
            It should!!) one has to ask what makes you think God is hearing your prayers?

            And it begs the question, what makes you think you are saved?

          • RuthER

            If you feel “accused” by my brief statement, how do think “Irene” feels after your pages and pages of accusations?

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            I didn’t say I “feel ‘accused'”. I said you accused me. Period. Your words are right there for anyone to see. And they are as empty as your prayers to my Father who knows them for what they are.

            How do I think “Irene” feels after my “pages and pages” (LOL! You don’t seem to have a problem taking up a voluminous amount of space here. LOL) of accusations? I don’t know. I’m not omniscient and I told pretend to be like you do. I can say that my hope would be that HE feels convicted by the Holy Spirit. That would be a GREAT thing because it would be a sign that God has not turned him over to a reprobate mind yet.

            And my hope and prayer would be that he would finally surrender his life as a slave to the Lord Jesus Christ, beg Jesus to save Him, and that Christ would be gracious and merciful to him and do so. Then having been Born Again he would live a life that truly glorifies God and would be a powerful testimony to many.

          • Ruth

            Amen!

    • Gary

      Yeah, that “rededicated my life” line caught my attention to. You can’t rededicate your life to God unless you are saved, and there is no way “Irene” was ever saved. There are a lot of people who would believe Hitler if he said he was saved, in the middle of WW2. Incredible gullibility.

      • D.Vo

        “…there is no way ‘Irene’ was ever saved.”

        Are you saying that someone who is a Christian never sins? I beg to differ. Sometimes God works on a person over a long, slow, painful period of time. While I don’t believe a man can truly be a woman, I do understand gender dysphoria to be real and that there is some complexity to the situation. That doesn’t, of course, mean that this individual did not sin against God as he himself acknowledges.

        It would be quite another thing had you said, “There is no way this person did not sin against God.” But instead, you made a statement of certainty about his lack of a relationship with God because he sinned. Christians do sin against God, sometimes in very serious ways. This person reflects, with the information we have to go on, an attitude of repentance. I interpreted his words to say that God is still working on him and he is open to God’s direction. Change doesn’t always happen overnight.

        • Gary

          You can believe whatever you want, of course. But I do not believe that someone who is a Christian believer will become what “Irene” became. “Irene” has NEVER been saved, and is not now saved. His life offers only proof that he is not a Christian believer. And I am sick of people claiming that someone in “Irene’s” condition could be right with God.

        • Royce E. Van Blaricome

          “I beg to differ. Sometimes God works on a person over a long, slow, painful period of time. ”

          Are you referring to Regeneration and being Born Again because it seems that you are. If so, please show ONE instance in Scripture where God works on a person over a long, slow, painful period of time.

          It seems to me that you are confusing Regeneration with Sanctification and they are entirely two different things.

          As for the rest of what you wrote, perhaps a quote from Charles H. Spurgeon would be helpful:

          Charles Spurgeon perhaps said it best when he said, “Do not suppose that the Gospel is magnified or God glorified by going to the worldlings and telling them that they may be saved at this moment by simply accepting Christ as their Savior, while they are wedded to their idols, and their hearts are still in love with sin. IF I DO SO I TELL THEM A LIE, PERVERT THE GOSPEL , INSULT CHRIST, AND TURN THE GRACE OF GOD INTO LASCIVIOUSNESS.”

          ”There MUST also be a WILLINGNESS to obey the Lord in all His commandments. It is a shameful thing for a man to profess discipleship and yet refuse to learn his Lord’s will upon certain points, or even dare to decline obedience when that will is known. How can a man be a disciple of Christ when he openly lives in disobedience to Him?”

          “If the professed convert distinctly and deliberately declares that he knows his Lord’s will but does not mean to attend to it, you are not to pamper his presumption, but it is your duty to assure him that he is not saved. Has not the Lord said, “He that taketh not up his cross, and cometh after Me, cannot be My disciple”? Mistakes as to what the Lord’s will may be are to be tenderly corrected, but anything like willful disobedience is fatal; to tolerate it would be treason to Him that sent us. Jesus MUST be received as King as well as Priest; and where there is any hesitancy about this, the foundation of godliness is not yet laid.” (emphasis mine)

      • Royce E. Van Blaricome

        Exactly. You can’t rededicate to a dedication that never existed in the first place.

        Part of it is no doubt due to “incredible gullibility” but I think the greater part is due to the Easy-Believism/Seeker-Sensitive false gospel that has been preached for the last 40yrs or more where people can come to church, recite some prayer after another where they “just ask Jesus into your heart” (See what Jeremiah 17:9 says about that! Ask yourself if Jesus is gonna take up residence there!), or walk down some aisle, or for those to ashamed and embarrassed to even do that just raise your hand with every head bowed and every eye closed.

        And then walk right on outta that church now that you’ve got your Fire Insurance (or think you do) and have “made Jesus PART of YOUR life” and live however you doggone well please.

    • Ruth

      Very well said Royce.

      And this is what the Bible says to those who practice immorality. Do not be deceived: neither the sexually immoral, nor idolators, nor adulterers, nor men who practice homosexuality, nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God (1 Corinthians 6:9–10).

      But sexual immorality and all impurity or covetousness must not even be named among you, as is proper among saints. Let there be no filthiness nor foolish talk nor crude joking, which are out of place, but instead let there be thanksgiving. For you may be sure of this, that everyone who is sexually immoral or impure, or who is covetous (that is, an idolater), has no inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God. Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience (Ephesians 5:3–6).

      These homosexuality and other forms of sexual immorality (like all sins) are things which exclude a person from the Kingdom of God.

      So if you’re a truly born again or regenerated you should flee or abstain from these.

  • Avril Brown

    My heart goes out to these two people who have come to Jesus. We should all thank God if our own selfish choices did not lead us to such dire consequences. I want for ever single Believer reading this article who believes their sin is somehow more benign than these fellows’ to stop and consider the verse from the Bible, “he who hath sinned is guilty of the entire law.” These is now no condemnation for these fellows if they keep themselves from further sin. As much as I want to welcome my new brothers into the house of faith, I do believe they must consider the greater matter if they continue to be married. Being married does not magically sanction sexual acts outside of the will of God. I pray for grace and wisdom to deepen in these two gentlemen’s hearts and a loving community of Beleivers to surround them as they the difficult decisions that lie ahead.

  • Gary

    I know I should be used to it by now, but it still shocks me that people will believe a person when they say they are right with God, while at the same time they are living like they don’t know God, and don’t want to. Its very frustrating and disheartening.

    • Sonnys_Mom

      Me, again. I actually agree with you, but we are “on the outside, looking in”. I can only interpret what the person said as a cry for help. The person is reaching for God, and that’s all we know for sure. We have no way of knowing what “right with God” actually MEANS to a hurting and confused individual who has made terrible life choices. But at least the person is now OPEN to receiving God’s grace.

      • Gary

        More speculation and wishful thinking on your part. I have been around long enough to know you can’t believe a man who is wearing a dress when he says he is a Christian believer.

        • Johndoe

          You also can’t believe faceless people on forums who state the same.

      • Patrice Paulone

        Amen

      • Royce E. Van Blaricome

        “The person is reaching for God, and that’s all we know for sure.”

        Actually we don’t know that at all. That is your assumption. What we do know is that if he is not saved what you just said is NOT true according to what God has said. That is part of the Easy-Believism/Seeker-Sensitive false gospel that is leading so many on the Wide & Easy Road to hear the words of Jesus in Matt. 7:21-23.

        Which is exactly the point I was making in my comment that you criticized for its length.

        Too bad you didn’t spend more time actually thinking about the theological points I brought up than the length of it.

      • billy b

        Do you remember Keith Green from back in the 70’s? He had a newsletter called ‘Last Days Ministries’.

        There was an article back then about a transgender female. It was all crazy confusion for this person. While desperate and almost committing suicide he cried out to God for mercy and ended up getting saved. He repented and transitioned back to a man. I don’t remember how long this process took but he did transition back and it was awesome. He then met a beautiful Christian lady. They got married and had several kids. I wish I could track down that article. It was an amazing transformation including pictures showing the processes he went through.

        I’m saying this to say hopefully this is what ‘Irene’ will eventually do. He knows what he needs to do. He needs to make that step and follow Christ. I’m not saying he’s not saved (God only knows). He is living in sin IF they’re having sexual relations. I don’t know the details of what’s happening. I don’t know if anyone does. Like I said God knows.
        I’m praying for ‘Irene’ that he’ll do the right thing.

        • Katie RN

          I remember Keith Green. Awesome ministry and music. Sadly he made a fatal mistake when he overloaded his plane.

      • Patrice Paulone

        God’s grace is between God and the receiver not the audience and the judges.

    • RuthER

      I’m very discouraged by this comment and a few that follow along the same lines. A person who has received the grace of God and is now reconciled to God is not REQUIRED to behave perfectly in every way INSTANTLY. Why don’t the bunch of you remember that grace is about a Relationship, not a list of Do’s and Don’ts (unless you are a Pharisee). Show a little bit of compassion for the incredibly complex consequences of mutilating your own body as well as the mental gymnastics of living out such a lie and against your natural being for decades. I see a lot of meanness and self-righteousness here.

      • Texanheart

        I agree with you. It is about our relationship with the Lord and growing in faith. We are babies starting out and we can have the best intentions even as we are followers of Jesus, but we faulter because we are human. This situation is definitely a complicated one.

  • Patrice Paulone

    I do believe with all my heart that this is between God and “Irene” we are not to judge, but to live as we wish to be treated , to treat others with respect and kindness, there’s a lot of pain in this world, I try to live my life by not contributing to that.

    • Royce E. Van Blaricome

      Who is the “we” you refer to? Certainly not Christians because Jesus COMMANDED His followers TO judge.

      How is it that you also fail to see that pain is a gift from God? When you get a splinter in your finger it hurts, right? Do you know why? Because your body is trying to tell you it doesn’t belong there! One can ignore the pain and just do what they have to do to protect the finger from being bumped to feel the pain and such and that’ll be just fine until gangrene sets in.

      The wages of sin is death. Trying to protect someone from the pain of understanding that is NOT a loving thing to do.

      • RuthER

        So by your reasoning, any human being not living a life as sinlessly as Jesus Christ is most likely going to hell. Would you please explain why Jesus came here to die if he expects us to “prove” we deserve to go to heaven? How is that any different from the Old Covenant? Also, please explain the process of “being conformed to the image of Christ” — Is this a one time thing or is it actually a “process”? If so, then who is in charge of it? When is it completed? What is our responsibility in the behavior of others? Are you the Righteous Judge who decides who gets to go to heaven?

        • Royce E. Van Blaricome

          Not at all. Never said any such thing nor did I even remotely hint at that.

          I’ll be happy to explain why Jesus came here to die IF you are truly wanting to learn and surrender your life to Christ. Are you?

          But don’t go putting words in my mouth. I NEVER said anything whatsoever about us “proving” we “deserve” to go the Heaven. Nice try Satan but those who have eyes to see can read what I said with clarity.

          As for the other questions, again, I’m happy to discuss IF you truly want to know the Truth and are willing to submit to it.

          As for your last question, the answer is “No” but I am an Ambassador of the Lord Jesus Christ who has commissioned me (and all true Believers) to represent Him and speak the truth against lies like you continue to tell.

          That Bible that you so love to claim you’ve studied your whole life is FULL of just that sort of thing. Even 1st John 1, which we studied in depth last Wednesday, shows John coming against those who were trying to infiltrate The Church with your lies.

          So, while I am not the Righteous Judge who will pronounce the final Judgment, I am one who can say without reservation or any equivocation that ANYONE who fits into 1st Cor. 6:9-10 and Rev. 21:8 WILL spend Eternity in the torment of the Lake of Fire.

          And IF you had actually “studied” the Word – as you claim – you would KNOW that,. So maybe you might wanna go back and actually see what it means to “study”.

          Or you could just surrender your life as a slave to the Lord Jesus Christ, beg Him to save you, turn from your self-righteousness and ask Him to open your eyes to the Truth.

    • Mo86

      @ Patrice Paulone

      “I do believe with all my heart that this is between God and “Irene” we are not to judge, but to live as we wish to be treated , to treat others with respect and kindness, there’s a lot of pain in this world, I try to live my life by not contributing to that.”

      First of all, as Christians, what we “believe” about this or that is irrelevant. What matters is what God has said through His Word about it.

      Second, can you show me where the Bible says “not to judge”? Of course you cannot, since it does not teach any such thing.

      Third, certainly you are not following your own instruction about,”Don’t judge”, since you are judging those who speak out about this sin.

      We will continue to speak out against sin, especially among those who call themselves followers of Christ. You will not silence us.

      • John Bernhardt

        It is always relevant what we believe-we have free will, and free consciences, and if something seems wrong to us-it may very well be wrong-even if some other person believes other wise.

    • John Bernhardt

      Imagine if you were in that person’s shoes, and how you would want to be treated. I think it is very hard for a person who not experiencing something to understand it.

    • Royce E. Van Blaricome

      Then you need to get rid of something in your heart, if you have the new heart of a Born Again child of God, and make room for the Truth of what Christ has COMMANDED. For what you have said is opposite of Christ’s COMMAND for His followers TO judge. See John 7:24.

      And, in case you’re tempted to come back and quote me Matt. 7:1, be sure to read down to Verse 5. Don’t miss the “and then” which gives one the ability to follow Verse 6 and following verses in the chapter. Matt. 7:1-5 is the INSTRUCTION on HOW to apply and follow the COMMAND in John 7:24.

  • Watchman on the Wall

    I do have a problem with this. You can’t say you have gotten right with God and still be living in sin. As painful as it will be, they have to break off a “marriage” that is really man with man. God’s word is very clear on this. God can and will bring in healing but we have to take those steps of faith and do what we know we have to do to come into agreement with God’s word.

  • Ray

    Jesus is one who can go with a man into his past. One may relive a moment, pray, and invite Jesus into it. There is no time he can not transcend. We have to do the praying, the asking, then let him into that moment, and ask him to be there with us, with his love for us. We do the repenting, the asking, the forgiving, whatever it is, and he does the healing. I was reading from Ezekiel 47. Did you know there is a water, a flow that comes from under the door of his house? Did you know that it gets deeper. If I was reading this right, the further away one gets from it, the deeper it gets, and it seemed to me the wider too, even deep enough to not be able to cross, deep enough to swim in, deep enough for lots of fish. Perhaps it goes and goes throughout time, filling in all the low places. It seems to me that fish in the Bible are a good thing. I’m thinking Jesus’ disciples would have liked that. So come to his door and drink of the waters. If you find the waters, wherever you are, you may get into them, it seems to me. This river is a river of life. It changes people. It cleans us. It rejuvenates us. If we have strayed from the Lord, we may come back, but maybe we have to go back into the past sometimes. Jesus will do that if we let him into it. Ask him to be there with you in the worst of it. He is able to show you what went wrong. I listened to a song today, “It’s Just A Matter Of Time”- 1959. It reminded me of Jesus.

  • Reason2012

    Adults continue to permanently turn away from homosexuality, even after decades of believing the lie they were “born that way”, proving it’s not genetic, but the product of indoctrination, confusion, mental instability and/or abuse.

    Homosexual behavior is most literally pointed out as a sin, and God has not changed on that regard. But if a person has those inclinations but does not act upon them, does not dwell in lust upon others, but is instead struggling against them to avoid them, then it’s not a sin. It’s just like sinful inclinations of any kind: it’s acting upon it when it becomes a sin.

    • Texanheart

      Yes, this is what I learned in church.

    • John Bernhardt

      It is not a lie that people are born gay, anymore that is lie that they are born heterosexual. The only issue would people who are bisexual, or asexual, these people might be genuinely confused as to which path to follow.

      • Reason2012

        The testimony of countless ex-gays shows otherwise.

    • RuthER

      This article is about transgenders not homosexuals. Something that would help you apply truth would be to study the differences. They are similar in that they abuse the human body or use its parts against their natural function, but the outcomes and mental struggles that need to be dealt with are very different. For example, males who long to be their opposite sex parent most likely have deep anger and hatred towards their abusive fathers. This can also manifest in homosexuality but the transgender will often still be sexually attracted to the opposite biological sex. It is not very common, to my knowledge, that mutilated males end up “married” to intact males. For one thing, most surgery in that department fails or falls far short of the expected outcome. Most people can’t even afford to go that far. By the way Bruce Jenner is still “intact” in that department and is also not suddenly homosexual.

  • O’Pinyon

    Let’s remember that much of the New Testament was written to people who needed to make changes. Even Jesus’ disciples were in need of correction, as are we all.

    As Dr. Brown wrote, “We need hearts of compassion and backbones of steel. We need true compassion to stand with those who are hurting and confused. We also need steely courage to stand against those who are advancing a hurtful and confusing agenda.”

  • RuthER

    I pray for continued healing for Irene and the loved ones. I pray that the heart and mind that took action by writing to Dr Brown to share the struggle will continue to reach out and share with everyone who needs to hear. What a powerful voice that only Irene can have.

  • RuthER

    Thank you Dr Brown and “Irene” for illustrating the power of Christ to transform lives that ordinary humans would tend to give up on. It’s all about Jesus, not us! Jesus living among us demonstrated again and again that He didn’t come to save those who have no need of a Physician (including regular lifelong treatment). Let us be the safe family for those who are the easiest targets for rejection by fearful “Christians”. Let us join Christ and work together towards the day we will be complete, which is when we enter the next life. Let us remember that those who recognize the depths of sin for which they have been forgiven are the most grateful for the work of Christ on the cross. May He reveal the sins that separate us from him and from each other.

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