7 Sure Signs America Has Declared War on Our Faith

By Michael Brown Published on May 2, 2016

Is there an increasing hostility to Christian values and religious freedoms in our country today? Here are seven representative examples, all from the last few weeks. Judge for yourself.

1. The NCAA announced that it will not hold any men’s and women’s Final Four basketball events in a city that “discriminates” against anyone based on sexual orientation or gender identity.

In its official statement, the NCAA declared, “The board’s decision follows the recent actions of legislatures in several states, which have passed laws allowing residents to refuse to provide services to some people based on their sexual orientation or gender identity. While proponents of the laws focus on how they protect religious beliefs, critics have voiced concerns that they create an environment of sanctioned discrimination.”

Not only, then, has the NCAA grossly mischaracterized these recent laws, but it is now guilty of discriminating against biblically based beliefs and declaring that no Final Four game will be held in any city that does not allow men to use women’s bathrooms or that protects a Christian photographer from being forced to shoot a same-sex “wedding.”

2. The Colorado Supreme Court has chosen not to hear the case of Christian baker Jack Phillips who was previously ordered by the Colorado Civil Rights Commission “to create cakes for same-sex celebrations, re-educate his staff, and file quarterly ‘compliance’ reports for two years.”

According to Jeremy Tedesco, Senior Counsel with the Alliance Defending Freedom, “We asked the Colorado Supreme Court to take this case to ensure that government understands that its duty is to protect the people’s freedom to follow their beliefs personally and professionally, not force them to violate those beliefs as the price of earning a living. Jack, who has happily served people of all backgrounds for years, simply exercised the long-cherished American freedom to decline to use his artistic talents to promote a message and event with which he disagrees, and that freedom shouldn’t be placed in jeopardy for anyone.”

The Court declined to hear the case, meaning that the state’s Civil Rights Commission not only has the power to require a bakery to make same-sex “wedding” cakes but also to require that baker to “reeducate” his staff and file regular reports proving that he is baking those cakes.

Chairman Mao would be proud of state-mandated “reeducation” like this.

3. Dr. Eric Walsh, the highly qualified, newly hired District Health Director with the Georgia Department of Public Health was fired because of the content of his sermons as a Seventh Day Adventist.

As expressed by Jeremy Dys, an attorney with First Liberty, which has taken on Walsh’s case, “No one in this country should be fired from their job for something that was said in a church or from a pulpit during a sermon.” And as noted by attorney David French, “Working for former president Bush and President Obama to combat AIDS, serving as a board member of the Latino Health Collaborative, and starting California’s first city-run dental clinic for low-income families dealing with HIV/AIDS wasn’t sufficient to overcome the horror at Walsh’s Christian views.”

How dare he preach what the Bible says and try to serve his country at the same time.

4. Several senators have introduced a bill that would deem “all efforts to change someone’s sexual orientation or gender identity an ‘unfair or deceptive act or practice’ under the Federal Trade Commission Act.”

That’s right. It would be illegal — a form of “medical malpractice” — to counsel someone struggling with same-sex attraction or gender identify confusion, but it would be perfectly legal to encourage someone to embrace those attractions or act on that confusion.

Already in 2009, conservative journalist Matthew Cullinan Hoffman wryly observed:

A man goes to a psychologist with a problem. “Doctor,” he says, “I’m suffering terribly. I feel like a woman trapped inside the body of a man. I want to become a woman.”

The psychologist responds: “No problem. We can discuss this idea for a couple of years, and if you’re still sure you want to be a woman, we can have a surgeon remove your penis, give you hormones for breast enlargement and make other changes to your body. Problem solved.”

Gratified, the first patient leaves, followed by a second. “Doctor,” he says, “I feel terrible. I’m a man but I feel attracted to other men. I want to change my sexual preference. I want to become heterosexual.”

The psychologist responds: “Oh no, absolutely not! That would be unethical. Sexual orientation is an immutable characteristic!”

Family therapist Adam Jessel offered a similar observation: “In today’s climate, if Bill tells me that he is attracted to his neighbor Fred’s young child and he wants to reduce these attractions, I, as a therapist, can try to help him. If Bill has an unwanted attraction to Fred’s wife, this too is something I am permitted to help him with. But if Bill has an unwanted attraction to Fred himself, then it’s regarded as unethical for me to help.”

If this new bill becomes law, it would not only be considered unethical to help Bill deal with his same-sex attractions, it would be illegal.

It would also be illegal to help a person get to the root of his or her gender confusion, but it would be perfectly legal for a counselor to recommend hormone blockers for a 10-year-old to stop the onset of puberty and then to prepare that child for sex-change surgery as soon as they were old enough.

Here are a few more examples, in shorter form, all from recent weeks.

5. The NBA announced that it will not hold next year’s All-Star game in Charlotte, North Carolina unless the state changes HB2, the Bathroom Privacy Act.

So, unless North Carolina agrees to let grown men use women’s locker rooms and changing facilities, and unless it removes protections for religious liberties, it will be punished.

6. The Department of Education has decided, “Religious schools that receive federal money yet obtain federal exemptions to [allegedly!] discriminate against LGBT students and employees will have their waivers posted online for public view.”

This means that any Christian institution receiving federal money and at the same time holding to biblical morality and sexuality could suffer adverse consequences.

“Led by Sen. Ron Wyden of Oregon, the lawmakers said in December, ‘We are concerned these waivers allow for discrimination under the guise of religious freedom.’”

Oh, those terrible religious freedoms!

7. As reported on Breitbart News, “A federal court sided with a transgender student who insisted that the Obama administration’s reading of federal Title IX rules would allow her to choose her own bathroom at her Virginia high school.”

According to the exultant Virginia ACLU, “With this decision, we hope that schools and legislators will finally get the message that excluding transgender kids from the restrooms is unlawful sex discrimination.”

In other words, no matter of what kind of hardship or inconvenience this puts on the rest of the students, and without any type of scientific proof that a child is actually “transgender,” the perceived needs of the one or two struggling children will be imposed on the other 1,000, and the Obama administration will come after your school if you fail to comply.

What’s scary is that I could have listed quite a few more examples, all from the month of April.

Believers in America, if somehow you are still sleeping, it is high time you woke up.

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  • Alexsandyr Troutnoodler

    Sorry, but no longer being allowed to behave like savages in the Dark Ages is *not* oppression, nor is it a war on faith.

  • There_is_no Gods

    the US is a secular nation. always has, always will.. your religion is your delusion. keep that bullshit to your self.

  • mucopurulent

    Another simpering christian whining about their loss of unconstitutional privileges. What you call persecution we call justice overdue. We atheists are here in greater numbers now…. and we’re not going away. Go to China and parts of Africa if you want to see what real persecution looks like. Happy Holidays!

  • davidreilly7

    The Bible is immoral. Christianity is immoral. Even the new testament is immoral, where Ananias and Sapphira are killed because they lied in church.

    Human rights trump “freedom of religion.”

    Society does not need a Michael Brown Theocracy, run by people who believe the writings of superstitious Bronze and Iron Age Middle Eastern peasants.

  • mucopurulent

    Loss of special privileges is not persecution. It’s like your family has a history of getting cars at manufacturer’s cost and suddenly having to pay retail like everyone else. Will this comment be removed too?

    • IcyFaye

      Probably, facts and logic are the anathema of BS artists on this site.

    • Earl Baker

      What special privileges? You guys have a harsh double standard. You applaud the NCAA, NBA, Bruce Springsteen, and so on, for refusing service to North Carolina, yet call it bigotry in Colorado, and force us to re-educate.

      If you have the right to decline to participate in what you dont believe in, then we have that same right.

      Also, its their website. I love it when they delete and BAN trolls. You’re awfly presumptuous to believe you have the right to speak YOUR mind on THEIR website.

      If they think your comments dont promote heathy discussion, then guess what comes next you big babby.

      • mucopurulent

        Special privileges like having one religion stuffed down everyone’s throat. Wasted time at city council meetings, pushing one religion at various war monuments, etc…. basically pushing the idea that if you aren’t Christian, you are not a “real” American. Hey, go ahead and discriminate but prepare for the blow back (no all star games, concert boycotts, etc). The internet makes it difficult to hide this sort of behavior now.

        If a website is dependent ads, an echo chamber is a poor business model.

        • Earl Baker

          This is a Christian site… Use vulgar language and you’ll get deleted.

          If they allow you guys to rip into people like wild dogs this would be, yet another, troll infested site. They want to promote their viewpoint and a healthy discussion, not an echo chamber.

          If you want to share follow THEIR guidelines. If you want to follow yours them make your own blog.

          • Lisa Keith-Lucas

            Cursing is off limits but lying is okay?

          • UCanBeVictorious

            This is a Christian site? Really? Wow! I’d of never guessed it in a million years. If it is a Christian site, where are the Christians? 99% of the comments on here are by the heathen.

          • Robert Slack

            You can tell it’s a “Christian” site because of the content of it is entirely immoral and based in judgement of your fellow man.

          • UCanBeVictorious

            Let me guess Robert, you have a sign in your front yard that says, “God Hates Pedophiles!”

          • Robert Slack

            Given the amount of child sexual abuse in churches, I’d say the opposite is true.

          • UCanBeVictorious

            Well the catholic church isn’t the true church Robert, so God obviously had nothing to do with any of that stuff.

          • Rob Cahill

            “Well the catholic church isn’t the true church ”

            My unicorn is better than your Unicorn… same thing

          • UCanBeVictorious

            I don’t have a unicorn. You just go ahead and live in your mythical world of unicorns Rob.

          • mucopurulent

            Then I kindly request the moderators to point out the “vulgarity” in my original post. They just didn’t like what I said.

      • anatole

        You are right. When someone declines to participate because he is opposed to homophobia, he gets away with it, whereas when it is because he is opposed to homosexuality he gets punished. The reason for that is quiet simple : homophobia is wrong, homosexuality isn’t. Of course, not everyone agrees on that. Fortunately, this is America, not everyone has to agree, and you may hold any belief you want. Unfortunately, there is no such thing as perfect freedom, and you are not allowed to act as those beliefs would lead you to. The country has accepted homosexuality, and now you have to as well.

        • DR84

          Wrong, homosexuality is wrong and if you hope to make people accept that is not, good luck doing so without starting a civil war of committing genocide. Is it really worth it?

          • anatole

            I thought I was the one fighting FOR tolerance. You’re telling me you want tolerance too. Great, we’re on the same side. No need for us to fight then.

            Either that or we don’t have the same definition of tolerance.

          • Rozzelyn Uryga

            Your statement seems to contradict itself. You claim that homosexuality is wrong, yet you call for tolerance that was apparently present in the past. You seem to be omitting the many iterations of anti-sodomy laws that existed in America prior to 2003 or the legislation that banned homosexual marriage. If these years were in fact the ones you were referring to, then I must state that tolerance of intolerance isn’t tolerance at all.

          • DrSwing

            Wrong? Says who? Your Bible? The Bible that you Pick N Choose from? Go ahead. Tell us how you’re just a “sinner” and no better than anybody else but you’re somehow “saved”. It’s all religious babble to make you feel superior to other beings when you’re a dirtbag just like everybody else. It’s just that you’re proud to tell people that you’re a dirtbag and that you have some magical genie in the sky who forgave you for stuff you didn’t even do. And then when you die, you get to go to a place with all this material stuff that only makes sense to 1st world Desert Dwellers.

            Have at it lemming! Keep your religious indoctrination and hatred of humanity to yourself. If you hate the world that much, go ahead and leave. I’m sure you can figure it out.

          • Earl Baker

            Wait…
            Am I a hypocrite, or did my imaginary God forgive me for things I never did?

            Anyways the correct slur is to compare God to a flying spaghetti monster, if you’re going to use boilerplate insults you might as well make use the official slang.

          • UtahTwisted

            You are free to think homosexuality is wrong. You are free to shout it from the mountain top. You are free to pass out flyers stating as much. You are NOT free however to discriminate against people in the United States of America.

          • nic

            Depending on the locale, you might need a permit to peddle your metaphysical snake oil, though.

          • Earl Baker

            Like liberals are discriminating against conservatives when they boycot?

            Try and stay consistent.

          • Billy Shears

            So if I wanna date a boy instead of a girl, is that hurting anyone? Is
            it causing any trouble? No. Our love is the same as yours.
            Sorry pal, but it seems that a lot of people in America have already came to accept homosexuality.
            “There used to be this concept called tolerance. Maybe we should try that instead.”
            So
            we have to tolerate you being a bigoted jerk, but we can’t tolerate two
            boys or two girls who happen to love each other? The irony is
            hilarious…

        • UtahTwisted

          Nope. It’s not about what is right or wrong, it’s about what is legal and illegal.

      • Lisa Keith-Lucas

        Wrong. Refusing to do business in a state is not discrimination. One can only discriminate against people.

        • Earl Baker

          Lol, this is so silly.

          I’m reading this to my kids tonight and asking them it that makes sense.

          Congratulations, you’re the subject of our family devotions.

      • UtahTwisted

        I can shop at whatever store I want. However, I cannot refuse to serve someone because they are black, female, or gay (or all three at once) – it’s simply the law.

        • Earl Baker

          And how is it that Bruce Springstien can refuse to serve NC, or Brian Adams refuse to serve Mississippi? Both of which jacked out of previous agreements.

          …because he dissagrees and is free to refuse.

          Ahh, the fine stench of true hypocricy!

          Sorry I’ll have to insist you stay consitant or I won’t take you seriously.

          • UtahTwisted

            Does Bruce Springsteen have a store in North Carolina? (nope)

            If Bruce Springsteen opened a bakery in North Carolina he would have to serve everyone.

            Are you suggesting that the government should force Bruce Springsteen to play in North Carolina? Every State? How about my living room?

            Your argument is silly (besides being wrong).

            No one has to open a store or give a concert in North Carolina. But if Mr. Springsteen DOES play in North Carolina he cannot exclude African-Americans or LGBT folks – it’s the law and it’s not complicated so I am surprised how difficult it is for you to comprehend. You cannot discriminate. Pretty simple.

      • gelinrefira

        Ideas are not protected classes. If your ideas are abhorrent, I can refuse to do business with you. But I cannot refuse to do business with just because you are black, or white, or man or woman etc. Ideas are not inherent to a person because you can change your mind, but you can’t change your race.

        • Earl Baker

          Man, doesn’t it bother you that you have to change the argument to race where there is legitimate ground to stand on?

          Stick to the subject, it makes you look like you’re scared of the weaknesses in your own argument when you do that.

      • nic

        There can’t be healthy discussion without opposition. Speaking of which, here comes some right now.
        Your special privileges include, but are not limited to:
        tax-free revenue for churches
        states can deny services to married gay servicemen and servicewomen (OK, for one)

        “In God We Trust” is on currency
        states have anti-sodomy laws created to target gays
        until recently, gay military members could not disclose their sexuality
        “under God” is in the Pledge of Allegiance
        kids in the US do not generally get thrown out by their parents for coming out as Christians

        there are many Christian TV and radio stations and Christian lobbying groups

        • Earl Baker

          Tax free isn’t a privilege. It’s the reality that you have no right to tax my donations

  • Burzghash

    Nah. Christians in this country are just used to being a special class of citizen, able to get away with more than any other demographic and largely running completely unopposed. Now that their numbers are dwindling and the rest of the country is forcing them to actually adhere to the laws and constitution (instead of flouting them), they’re crying about persecution.

    It’s not.

    • datastorm

      Dear uninformed,

      You only HAVE rights because of Christians. Because they’re the only ones who stood up at the beginning to make it what it is today.

      • LiamT

        bullshit. some of the founding fathers hated christianity. never mind the facts you used the english bill of rights and the greek political system.

      • benanov

        I’m pretty sure the concept of rights existed before Christianity.

      • gelinrefira

        No, that is completely incorrect. Many Christians came to the New World and then proceed to oppress other Christians and the natives. The founding of this country is based on Enlightenment principles, and is marginally related to Judeo-Christian traditions. If this country is truly founded as a Christian nation, the First Amendment, the freedom of speech (heresy) and religion (other sects and apostasy) would not be tolerated.

  • Greg_in_Texas

    “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof…” Live and let live, do not restrict the rights of others. The so called “Christian” majority that has tried to force their beliefs on others through our Government are now claiming to be victims because lately they are not the special protected group any longer. If you want to practice a religion, great, have at it hoss. If you try and force others to adhere to your beliefs through laws created on your beliefs, I will fight you tooth and nail. If this is what the author is talking about they are right, myself and many other people are waging a war against intolerant, self serving, religious zealots who think their religion is the law of the land. I have seen first hand what happens when religion takes over a Government. Just ask normal average citizens in countries like Iran and Saudi Arabia how religion based Government is working out for them. To recognize a core belief of the religion in question, “get off the cross, we need the wood”. You and you’re religious beliefs have no right telling others how to conduct their own lives, let alone complain when you are not allowed to keep or have special considerations when it comes to making and enforcing laws.

    • datastorm

      RE: “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof…”

      Not DISRESPECTING, and using laws to settle a score with Christians, which is what you are ALL DOING.

      • Greg_in_Texas

        Not at all. Please feel free to follow whatever religion you want. I really do not care. What I do care about is when states pass laws that directly discriminate against groups that do not adhere to someones religious doctrine. Most of the comments that oppose the point of view narrated in this article are stating that the so called “war on Christianity” is a farce. Nobody is trying to stop anyone from believing and practicing a religion, they are opposed to religion forcing its beliefs on others and passing laws that discriminate against those not of their religion. Articles such as this are manufacturing a supposed “war” that is of their own making. In the past the “predominant Christian” religion in this country passed laws with impunity that discriminated against groups that were not of, or did not adhere to, their doctrine. The only thing that has changed lately is that the groups being discriminated against are just not laying down for it anymore. Refusing to be discriminated against does not violate your religious rights. Freedom of religion allows you to follow whatever religion you choose, but it does not give you the right to violate the rights of those who do not follow your religion.

        In summary, follow whatever religion you want, I could care less, but if the American Taliban shoveling this crap keeps trying to force Christian sharia law on this rest of us you better believe I will fight back.

      • LiamT

        how are they settling score, by wanting what you already have? never mind the fact that you guys hold 80% of the power and you dont even allow atheists to run for certain offices.

  • You call yourselves Christian, yet it seems that all you really care about is what people do in their bedrooms. Y’all got a huge plank in the eye.

  • Rex Shea

    How about this: Your superstition is NOT a license to discriminate. Treat your superstition like you treat your private parts; It is fine to love and be devoted to and derive a ton of satisfaction from your private parts. Just don’t waive them around in public, and everyone will get along just fine. See? Super simple. Of course, you will lose your ability to play martyr and to wail about persecution, but that is the price of civility and progress.

  • anatole

    It seems to me that the only way in which you are attacked is that you’re not allowed to discriminate against other people. The only thing that happens in these examples is the state saying you can’t tell other people what their sexual orientation is. Religious freedom does not mean “do whatever you want so long as your religion vaguely allows you to do it”. You do not have the religious freedom to impose your will on other people, and if you think you do, then america indeed has a problem, and that problem is you.

  • fizbanic

    Theism declared war on anyone else long time ago. It is about time things are changed so that everyone is included and not excluded. Too bad many theist have blinders on that they can’t see that all anyone wants is equal rights for all.

    Lets take the service aspect. You feel you should be able to refuse service to someone because they are gay and that is against your religion. What about me, I am an atheist, the christian religion at one time stated to kill all non-believers, yet you’d easily serve me. See the error.

    How about all the stuff you own, are you certain that some gay person did not design, build or sell it to you? As being gay goes against your religion then you need to get rid of everything as I’m pretty sure at some point down the line some gay/lesbian person has a hand in it somehow.

    The only ones seeing a war and trying to turn it into one is theists. Stop it, you are doing more harm to your faith then I or any atheist could.

  • canismarko

    I think you’re looking at the “baking gay wedding cakes” question incorrectly. It’s not a question of religious liberty: in my mind the question is whether we should allow companies to refuse service without good reasons. For example, if you think that a business owner should be allowed to deny gay people then you must understand that this also applies to all other minority protections. Re-frame the question in terms of refusing service to an inter-racial couple. If you still think that this violates your religious liberties then fine but you are in the minority and the rest of us have decided that the negative consequences are significant and there are no benefits to what you propose.

    • Mike Dunger

      No human being has a right to the goods and services of another human being. That’s called slavery, and we already TOLD you Democrats to stop doing it.

      • canismarko

        Way to take down that straw-man. If you want to respond to what I *actually* said, I’m all ears.

        • Mike Dunger

          Every business owner retains total control over his property. He may discriminate against any potential customer at any time for any reason. Clear enough?

          • UtahTwisted

            Not in the United States of America. Sorry. Maybe Somalia would be more your style. Lots of freedom there.

      • Rozzelyn Uryga

        And now who’re the ones talking about “State’s Rights” to discriminate? I’m sorry, but we purged that element a long time ago.

      • UtahTwisted

        No. Slavery would be MAKING the person be a baker and MAKING him bake cakes. In the United States of America, under the Constitution of this nation, you are not permitted to discriminate in business dealings. Thus there are no more “white’s only” drinking fountains, or “colored’s only” lunch counters.

        Welcome to the 21st century.

        • Mike Dunger

          Wrong. Forcing someone to do something against their will is slavery. You said “welcome to totalitarianism” wrong…

          • UtahTwisted

            Sorry but you are simply and factually 100% incorrect. Your (incorrect) definition would make all job slavery and imprisonment slavery as well. They are not. Slavery is more encompassing than “doing something against your will” Are kids slaves? Are children forced to attend school a do math slaves? Is making me drive the speed limit slavery?

            You definition is ridiculous.

      • Robert Slack

        That’s right: when the Democrats were based in the South they wanted slavery. Now that Republicans are based in the South they want theocracy.

        • benanov

          Same group of people, just a different label.

  • If people made laws to discriminate against Christians the way Christians make laws to discriminate against gays, you would rightly call it persecution. A cake maker cannot legally discriminate against you for being Christian…why not extend the same human kindness to others? Why do you fight so hard for some perceived right to discriminate against people in ways that it’s illegal to do so against you?

    • DR84

      There are no examples of Christians wanting laws passed that discriminate against anyone.

      • Rozzelyn Uryga

        Jim Crow. Women’s Suffrage. The continual history of homosexuals not being able have intercourse, let alone marry.

        Mate, unless you’re being sarcastic, you’re dead wrong.

        • datastorm

          Dear uninformed,

          Jim Crow = NOT CHRISTIAN

          Women’s Suffrage = Founded by ONLY Christian women and not left wing feminists.

          Marriage has NEVER been anything other than that of a man and a woman. Source; all of recorded human history.

          Martin Luther King = Christian pastor

          All Ivy league schools, except for MIT = Founded by Christian pastors and ministers. In other words, our highest institutions of learning owe their existence to the Bible and Christ.

          HATE = Satan, not Christians.

          • LiamT

            bullshit, marriage has been around for thousands of years before JC was allegedly born (you cant even prove he existed BTW!). its not even a religious ceremony.

            you might not be able to understand this, but go back far enough and everyone claimed to be Christian. you know why? Christian persecution of non-Christians. also, people didnt know any better.

          • Who was Susan B. Anthony and Elizabeth Cady Stanton?

            Founders of Women’s Suffrage – and both atheists.

            Man… it’s like you never opened a history book.

          • Rob Cahill

            Or worse, Sees the bible as one.

          • benanov

            Jim Crow laws were justified with the bible. Nice attempt to whitewash there.

          • gelinrefira

            Jim Crow is as Christian as it gets.

      • How many states in America have a constitution that specifically forbids Christians from running for office in that state? Answer: none.

        How many states in America have a constitution that specifically forbids atheists from running for office in that state? Answer: Seven.

        The only reason why you don’t know of such laws is because you don’t care to know.

        • nic

          Drop the mic, dog.

        • Greg_in_Texas

          Well said, but it might fall on deaf ears. This factual tidbit is not in anyone’s holy book so is probably not known to them, or it is ignored.

      • EricHa

        You obviously haven’t looked very hard. There are tons.

      • UtahTwisted

        Wow…. simply wow

      • adamweishaupt

        The only persecution here is your Mother never took her Folic Acid. ha ha ha.

        • gelinrefira

          That is just low blow, man.

    • LiamT

      not to mention. being LGBT isnt a choice, which sky fairy you believe in is just dependant on where you were born and who brainwashed you.

  • Lisa Keith-Lucas

    For pity’s sake. Get a grip.

  • Kathy Verbiest Baldock

    When not having the ability to discriminate = “war,” you are fully delusional.

  • James Ray

    I was going to type up this wonderful diatribe on hate and explain WHY it isn’t a war, but I’m afraid it will be lost on the homophobic bigot who wants a pity party.

  • Good job team non-believers, we’ve really got em on the run this time!

    • Gregory Bryant

      Spoken like a true believer.

    • Dean Bruckner

      “Stand back!” they shouted. “This fellow came to town as an outsider, and now he’s acting like our judge! We’ll treat you far worse than those other men!” And they lunged toward Lot to break down the door.

      Yep, you’ve got us on the run!

  • Corey Basden

    Quit following thousand year old middle eastern ideals and you wont have to worry about people who actually use their brains coming down on you. There, problem solved.

  • James Wood

    Dr. Eric Walsh removed himself of his opportunity when he indicated that condom usage increased AIDS rates. This is not an issue of his faith or spiritual beliefs, merely his professional beliefs that are scientifically inaccurate.

  • Billy Shears

    Sorry, but there’s a difference between being persecuted and just not getting your old-fashioned way anymore.

  • UtahTwisted

    Interesting religion you’ve got there. Seems like if you can’t hate certain folks you’re unhappy. Is that the message from your god?

    • Gerald Craig

      no NOT hate , just Love . We are against Sin , Be it homosexuaity , murder, stealing and so on . Sin IS sin We love the sinner but hate the sin . We do not pat you on the back and say it is alright to sin or support a lifestyle of sin, no matter what the sin is

      • nic

        Following a philosophy of love is respectable, and holding personal beliefs is an important right that must be respected. The issue is when others are discriminated against for their perceived sins when their actions do not fall outside of legal boundaries. We can show love for others by accepting the fact that we will differ in our beliefs, and refusing to treat those who do things differently as untouchables or second-class individuals.

      • Greg_in_Texas

        How is homosexuality harming you? Is it causing your to get a rash, develop cancer, what? The point is you are free to believe whatever you want, that is an important Constitutional right we enjoy in this country. What you do not have the right to do though is discriminate against others who do not believe as you do. What is this “forcing” you are speaking of. You of course mean Christians forcing their views on the LGBT community correct? Oh, wait, that is just flipping the view on you. This is the core problem. Your belief that others must accept your views while asserting that others who express their points of view are “forcing” it upon you. This is at the heart of what many of the comments on this board are talking about. The majority Christian community foisting their viewpoint on everyone else is okay in their mind, but others expressing a conflicting viewpoint are “forcing” it on the Christian community. No sense being made here. Unfortunately this seems to be a predominant characteristic of most major religions. The middle east has several countries with religious based Government and they spout the same nonsense. Christian, Islam, no difference, both want to force others to live by their doctrine. When others object and refuse to accept this, they complain that they are being persecuted.

        • LiamT

          its like they think because gay marriage is legal, they will all have to marry gays, when we know they all just want to marry their siblings 😉

      • LiamT

        so you refuse to serve divorcees, people wearing mixed fabrics, pork eaters etc? nah, you ignore all those bits now, wow, this scripture thing has all kids of complex rules doesnt it? just make it up as you go along.

      • benanov

        Last I checked, making a cake for sinners doesn’t get any of that sin on you.

        If that was the case, since everyone’s a sinner, making a cake for anyone would be sinning!

        Oh wait, I’m sorry, you can’t apply logic to religion.

      • gelinrefira

        If love is discriminating against people you don’t like, you have a screwed up definition of love. Honestly, how can anyone love an entity they can’t touch, see, feel and hear. It is fake, delusional, imaginary “love”. There are real things and people right here on Earth for you to embrace and you choose to love an ephemeral being. Talk about twisted.

  • One religious discrimination I’d like to see removed is the tax breaks for churches.

    • Robert Slack

      Pieces like this are a great cudgel in the upcoming fight to strip religious entities of their absurd tax breaks. As time goes on, fewer people are falling for the delusion that Christian churches are primarily spiritual and secondarily social service enterprises–whereas the author makes the reality crystal clear that “churches” are in fact reactionary political advocacy groups. Keep up the good work, Michael Brown! The more you turn off young people with garbage like this one the faster we will move beyond religious superstition.

    • nic

      Mmhmm… Preach it, brother!

  • Rex Shea

    How about this: Your superstition is NOT a license to discriminate. Treat your superstition like you treat your private parts; It is fine to love and be devoted to and derive a ton of satisfaction from your private parts. Just don’t waive them around in public, and everyone will get along just fine. See? Super simple. Of course, you will lose your ability to play martyr and to wail about persecution, but that is the price of civility and progress.

  • Robert Slack

    So if Christians don’t get to decide how everyone else lives it’s anti-Christian “discrimination?” When groups that Christians hate for no good reason ask for equal rights it’s a “war on faith?”

    And you guys wonder why young people are turning away from religion at historic rates…

  • Tea Tard

    Its is hilarious reading this utter nonsense and hearing about these poor persecuted Christians. For to long this country has allowed Christians to discriminate against others and now the tide is turning the tantrums are a joy to watch.
    Keep crying, your tears give me joy

  • TC Coltharp

    1) That’s a perk not a right.

    2) An unbiased market is cornerstone of a tolerant and pluralistic society. If people can show bias the tribalism will set in. But you guys want a theocracy, so I can understand why you don’t care about this.

    3) Walsh was fired because he made listening to those sermons a requirement of his employees. That is clearly unconstitutional. That is quite a game of semantics you played there.

    4) These “therapies” don’t work. It is the equivalent of the Catholic Church adding a non-lethal dose of arsenic to holy water and claiming it is a magic potion to cure the gay. It is a law against quackery.

    5) Again this a perk not a right.

    6) So these schools use government lobbying to Congress deadlocked over an issue of discrimination, and the agency decides to name and shame those that are discriminating AND stealing our democratic process. Sounds admirable to me.

    7) Just install booths and make all bathrooms unisex. This is how it works over large swaths of Europe. Do you think a silly sign will keep or has ever kept a perv from sneaking into the wrong bathroom to peep, install cameras, rape, etc?

  • Mark Faine

    If you ask me they haven’t gone far enough yet. There is still a lot of work to do. Next we need to get ‘Under God’ off of our money and start taxing churches. Also, it’s funny how you quote the word discrimination, as though you can redefine words by putting quotes around them.

  • NativeBornGeorgian

    Dr Brown, most of them are awake and in a Trump trance. They think Trump will restore Christianity. These people are deluded.

  • TBoarder

    So this supposed “war against christianity” is actually a war that christianity has declared on the LGBT community? While your claims that your faith is being repressed are utter bullshit, I’d say that you have it coming to you, if it ever does happen.

  • adamweishaupt

    Millions and Millions of People had Died in the name of Yahweh, or Jehova, the “Christian” god. But when some gives them a slap on the wrist is the end of the world. Stupid Fanatics.

    • Tim Danaher

      What was the communist and fascist, I.e., anti-religious government, body count during the 20th century. Remove God and natural law and replace it with moral relativism and you get death. Lots and lots of death.

      • LiamT

        and you would know how? since belief in sky fairies has been around forever. or do you mean hitler, mao etc? i take it you know hitler was a catholic?

  • gelinrefira

    When you have so much privilege, that equality looks like oppression.

    • adamweishaupt

      hey man I ask you permission to steal your phrase.

      • Robert Slack

        It’s been around awhile

      • gelinrefira

        Not mine. It has been used around already.

  • Croquet_Player

    Bigotry is bad for business. Some day, religious bigots will figure out that simple fact of the marketplace. Until that happens, cry me a river.

  • It’s funny to watch these ignorant theists whine.

    • LiamT

      aw come on, you know they dont do logic too well 😉

  • BW

    Wow. All these comments are an eye opener to me of the deep hatred of Christians and their God. So the problem with this country is Christians and churches. Interesting because that’s what many Muslims believe as well.

    • Croquet_Player

      No, the problem with Christians is the fact that some of them want to enact laws to protect their bigotry against gay people, and create a little “theocracy-lite” in some areas. And of course they share idea that in common (and much more) with radical Islamists.

      • brothergc

        no the problem is that LGBT’s want to force their lifestyle on others under the “poor discrimitated me ” banner

        • Ghastly

          How can you confuse someone emptying their bowels and bladder with sexuality? SMH.

        • Croquet_Player

          Oh, is someone forcing you to be gay? That’s very sad. How did it happen?

    • skipperbob49

      Discriminating against others using religion as an excuse is still bigotry. Christianity isn’t the problem… all religions are the problem.

      • Greg_in_Texas

        Succinct and to the point. I like it.

      • Rev. Gerald Palmer, MSW

        It is some of its misguided people and not religions

        • skipperbob49

          And religion gave these misguided people the “vision” to act the way they do. Religious beliefs do not give anyone the right to discriminate against others…ever. It is just plain bigotry hiding behind an imaginary mythology.

          • Olaf

            Where did you get the idea that there is something that can be called unjust discrimination? There is ample evidence that religion (especially Christianity) gives a solid and reliable framework that says that discrimination is wrong. There are plenty of philosophical and theological work, and of course the Bible itself, that back-up my claim. Please give me a source who said, without referring to any religion at all, that discrimination is bad. Atheism and materialism cannot make that claim. If everything that I am is just wiggling atoms and electrons, in random motion, without purpose, then there is no basolute good and evil.

          • Rev. Gerald Palmer, MSW

            Religion gave them an excuse. There are some great qualities found in religion.

      • Stephen D

        I really do not understand this argument that religion is ‘the problem’. Do you honestly think that without religion there would be no wrongdoing? I see religion as a restraining influence that curbs wrongdoing, not the other way around. Religions provide society with a moral code. But an atheist really has no moral code outside what he or she feels is right. So with atheism you necessarily get moral relativism. To me that is as much ‘the problem’ today as anything else.

    • Greg_in_Texas

      Funny you mention countries in the middle east who have religion based Government. You speak of ISIS and Ayotollas and how they are anti-Christian. That is not true, they are against all that do not believe in their extremist version of Islam. This includes all other religions. Sounds a lot like the American Taliban we have here in the U.S that spouts hate at non-Christians and tries to pass laws forcing others to adhere to their extremist version of Christianity while trying to hide behind a veil of victimization. Separation of church and state. Live and let live, embrace the freedom to believe whatever you want as long as it does not harm others.

  • Cody Duke

    One fine day, religion will be gone- and humanity will be better for it.

    • Stephen D

      I wonder how you would define religion then? Is it having moral principles, do you think? Would you say it is going to a church on Sundays? Would you say it is the Ten Commandments? Thou shalt not kill? Or would you just say it is having the temerity not to agree with Cody, the great and the wise?
      Good luck with your anti-religious crusade Cody. There aren’t a lot atheist states left for you to model yours on. But at least there’s still North Korea. Wonderful place. You should go there and get first-hand experience of the benefits of living in a society without religion.

    • Gerald Craig

      are you serious ? It has been around longer then recorded history and yet you say it will be gone . The bible has been around more then 2000 years , They already tried to get rid of it . No , I am sure it will be around long after your dead and gone . Besides Your arms are too short to box wih God

      • kamrom dechu

        The ancient Egyptian religion existed for more than 3,000 years. But it’s gone now.

        • LiamT

          as are almost all of the 10,000 man made sky fairy stories.

          strange how thor doesnt have the pull he once had. or zeus. etc

        • luckoftheirish

          The Muslims came into Egypt and took over. Now Egypt is predominately a Muslim country.

      • Cody Duke

        humans have walked the earth for half a million years… your “2000 years” is a drop in the bucket.
        my arms are to real to bother boxing with your shadow.

      • gelinrefira

        “The bible has been around more then 2000 years”

        No it is not.

    • Tim Danaher

      How’s that working out in China and North Korea?

      • kamrom dechu

        According to the most recent demographic analyses, an average 80% of the population in China, that is hundreds of millions of people, practice some kinds of Chinese folk religions and Taoism, 10—16% are Buddhists, 2—4% are Christians, and 1—2% are Muslims. In addition to Han people’s local religious practices, there are also ethnic minority groups who maintain religions that can be found nowhere else. Sects of indigenous origin constitute 2—3% of the population, while Confucianism as a religious self-designation is popular among intellectuals.

        tldr: china has no religion in the same way the US has no religion.

      • LiamT

        working pretty well in europe after all the crazies left for the USA…

        • Cody Duke

          this.

      • luckoftheirish

        I’m sure they’d love to have Kim Jong Un as their leader.

  • skipperbob49

    Whine…whine… whine! As soon as you can’t get everything you want and be able to discriminate against others you think you are the ones being persecuted! Bull… religion has persecuted people for centuries and it is finally being called on it! Get used to it as more and more people are sick of your myths and legends.

  • Stephen D

    Since this is a Christian forum….May I suggest that the atheists and gays who have commented below possibly need to learn some manners. While you accuse Christians of hating you, your comments are surprisingly hateful. Are you against hate, or not? I know the gays feel persecuted. Apparently they cannot bear the fact that somebody doesn’t want to bake them a wedding cake. It seems to me that you guys have got your views and Christians have got their views. Is that a problem for you? Is that a reason for introducing legislation that would look about right in a totalitarian dictatorship? I actually don’t know any hate-filled Christians. But I know a lot of hate-filled gays and atheists. Look inside yourselves and see what is in there. It may not be a pretty picture. And then ask yourselves, whether you really value freedom, which is what America has always stood for, or whether you actually hate Christianity enough to go the way of Stalin’s Russia or Mao’s China.

    • benanov

      All I hear is whining, when Christians think it goes against their religion to make a cake for somebody.

      Christians have been used to getting their way and running roughshod over everyone else and now that they can’t do it they cry persecution. You know what real persecution is? Getting killed for your faith (or lack of it), like would happen to me in Bangladesh.

      • MrRightWingDave

        You were killed in Bangladesh?

      • brothergc

        It is the LBGT’s that are the complainers . If a Christian was denied service that violated someone elses belief then too bad but turn that around and now that same Christian is a hater, and a bigot taken to court . Their business is taken , their money is taken . Tell Me in what world is that right ?

        • benanov

          If a Christian were denied service for being a Christian? Well, religion is a protected group in this country; your hypothetical Christian could turn around and sue the business for discrimination.

          So your assertion of “too bad” is false. Please try again.

          • brothergc

            no what I am saying is if a christian refuses to bake a cake for a gay wedding they get slapped with a law suite , if you turn that around 180 then no one cares get it now ?

          • gelinrefira

            If a gay baker refused to bake a cake for a Christian couple, he will also be slapped with a law suit. There is no double standard here. But why don’t we hear something like that? Because it never happened. What you cannot seem to understand is that business cannot deny services and goods to protected classes and that includes, gender, race, religion, place of origin etc. Crystal?

          • brothergc

            why has it never happened , well from a personal view point if someone does not want to serve me I just go to another business. I dont take them to court or dont cry and boo hoo about it .poor little liberals got their feelings hurt , please give me a break

          • benanov

            > if you turn that around 180 then no one cares get it now ?

            I’m pretty sure you can make the same government institutions that care about LGBT people who have been denied service care about a Christian being denied service.

            If you want to whine about Christians looking stupid in the media…well I suggest you talk to other Christians and tell them to get their house in order. It’s quite common for the extremist fundies to make the moderates look bad.

        • gelinrefira

          When was a Christian deny goods and services? If someone deny baking a cake because the couple are Christian, please tell me because this is an open and shut case that I don’t think I need to go to law school to win.

        • Gigi

          Christians are the biggest complainers. All you do is complain about how your rights are being taken away and how you don’t have to obey the law because of your so-called “deeply held” religious beliefs. You’re the crybabies and you’re the ones living a chosen lifestyle. You chose to believe in a book that was written by men — a book that any thinking person could see is not the infallible word of some god. You’re not that special and your rights don’t take precedence over ours. That sooner you realize that the better it will be for you.

    • kamrom dechu

      Since this is a christian forum, could you not be a false witness and claim we believe and do things that we do not? Thanks.

    • Greg_in_Texas

      “Since this is a Christian forum….May I suggest that the atheists and gays who have commented below possibly need to learn some manners.”

      The irony. I am not going to defend the more inflammatory comments made here, but I will call out that you are lecturing others on their “manners” regarding an article that is full of hate and discrimination. By the way, I am neither an atheist nor am I LGBT. I am pro live and let live, and do whatever you want as long as it does not harm others. If I was a medical doctor and refused to treat a Christian baby because their parents are not of my religious belief and the child dies, you would be okay with this? Yes,,, it is the exact same principle. I am against the picking and choosing of groups to discriminate against while hiding bigotry behind the veil of religious freedom. Nobody says you have to agree with, condone, views you do not agree with, but you do not have the right to make and enforce laws that discriminate against them.

    • Rev. Gerald Palmer, MSW

      It is not about disagreement. This is about discrimination

    • LiamT

      ah, tell the atheists to be quiet…. you are just annoyed you cant execute heretics any more? yet you amusingly think you are under attack.

      btw, statistically you are far more likely to be abused by a priest in a toilet than a LGBT person. but dont let facts get in the way of a good bigoted rant.

    • gelinrefira

      What you can’t seem to understand is that criticism is not hatred. Frustration perhaps, hate, unlikely.

    • Apparently they cannot bear the fact that somebody doesn’t want to bake them a wedding cake.

      Not the issue. It’s that the bakers want to break the law and discriminate.

  • Cowboy

    We are living in a lost and dying country.

    • Robert Slack

      The sooner this country gives up religion the faster we’ll grow up as a nation.

  • gerald palmer

    Not all Christians feel the way that Dr. Brown does. He is playing on fear and ignorance. Hate yes hate is the major element. Don’t give me that line about Love tells the Truth. When reading Dr. Brown’s work, you have to fact check. Once you fact check you will find that he fishermen tales a majority of his facts or he gets them from sources where they come already hyperbolic.

  • kamrom dechu

    LGBT people getting treated as equals doesn’t mean anyone’s declaring war on your faith. Its not like they’re getting any special legal privileges, like not having to pay taxes.

    Like churches don’t.

    • Ghastly

      Thank you!

      I have a friend with a crushed spine. Her husband always assists her in the ladies restroom In NC he would be arrested. Amazing how ignorant and shortsighted lawmakers can be.

      • Olaf

        no, he would not be arrested.

    • Mo86

      @ kamrom dechu

      “LGBT people getting treated as equals doesn’t mean anyone’s declaring war on your faith.”

      LGBT people suing anyone who doesn’t bow to their demands is not “getting treated as equals.”

      Know that we will NOT bow to your bullying. Do you hear me?

      • brothergc

        amen for what you compromise to keep , you will loose

      • Gigi

        Christians must obey the law. You don’t get to pick and choose which laws you’ll obey, and which you’ll ignore, no matter how “deeply held” you consider your beliefs to be.

        Know that we will NOT allow you to shove your chosen lifestyle — you chose to believe that a book written by Iron Age men is the inerrancy word of some god — down our throats. You’re entitled to believe whatever you like, and we’re allowed to live free from your cultist beliefs.

      • gramps675

        You don’t have to bow. But you will obey the law.

    • Gigi

      Talibangelists aren’t against special rights as long as THEY are the ones who benefit from them. They feel that they’re above the law, that they can pick and choose which laws they’ll obey & which they’ll ignore. We need to remind them that they’re wrong about that.

    • Worse than churches not paying taxes is churches not opening their books. When all US nonprofits must show us how they’re using their nonprofit status wisely, why do churches get a pass? Y’know, it’s almost like they have something to be embarrassed about.

  • Mary English O’Malley

    LOL. There’s a big difference between being prosecuted and no longer getting your way. I suggest that the author of this article and his followers learn that difference.

    • No, no! When bakers must make cakes for gays, that’s the same as being tortured to death by ISIS.

  • Wesley

    Dr. Brown it not enough for the church to wake up as seen in this primary season. the church needs to get informed as well starting with knowing what Sacred Scripture says about God’s requirements for civil leaders. i do not know how many times this election cycle that we are not voting for pastor/shepherd-in-chief, but commander-in-chief. in Sacred Scripture God himself called the civil leaders of Judah shepherds when talking to the prophet Ezekiel. many of these same “Christians” also try to tell me that Christ was not involve in politics. the Sanhedrin was Israel civil court composed of people representing all the tribes of Israel. in order to be a Pharisee you did not have to be from the tribe of Levi as evidence with St. Paul who himself told us that he was from the tribe of Benjamin.

  • honesttoGod

    Others have said this in the forum, but I am going to reiterate it–not getting your way does not constitute having “war” declared on you. It is important to see, too, that this is finally not even a question of religious belief, but a question of public policy. It is absolutely possible to believe homosexuality to be morally wrong, and being transgendered wrong morally, etc., and not agree with the policy prescriptions that underlie the complaints here. You can think that an action is sinful AND that the state has no business regulating it, and even that persons ought not be discriminated on the basis of that sin. The hubris involved with thinking not only that you have the ultimate truth with regard to sin (which is hubris enough, all by itself), but to go on and say that the governmental policy approach you support is essentially an article of your faith, and that to disagree is to be both a heretic and an enemy of the faith is simply breath-taking. What I say next, I suppose under the definition of this site, and its audience will constitute waging war, but the extent to which this piece, and its headline are misleading, and play fast and loose with anything approaching the truth brings it awfully close to lying. And another thought– if you take your reading and understanding of God’s Word to actually BE the Word of God, aren’t you terribly close to idolatry? It seems that is the basic approach here, though– hubris when what is called for is humility.

  • solvermn

    the NCAA will impress me when they fully embrace gender equality and Publicly allow men who say they feel like a woman to use the rest room of their choice and play on the women’s Basketball, golf, tennis, track and all other teams. Till then they are hypocrites whose legal and tax status should be reviewed.

  • EllenHar

    No one has made any laws against visiting and caring for the sick, feeding the hungry, giving a cup of cool water to the thirsty, befriending the marginalized, sheltering the homeless, selling all you have and giving it to the poor, loving everyone as yourself, considering their needs a more important, welcoming the stranger (well maybe there will be some laws coming about that one.) You know, the stuff Jesus actually taught us. Until then, I think we’re good.

  • Joseph Bruno

    Back in the day I lived in the South where violent racism was justified by the Bible (not to mention slavery). Our African American brothers & sisters were subject rape, torture, discrimination & murder all in the name of Jesus. That’s why I moved. In fact the symbol of the KKK was the cross which they wore on their sheets. If a so-called “Christian” baker refused to bake a wedding cake for an inter-racial couple because they felt that the Bible was against race mixing what should the reaction of a civilized society be? “Declared war on Christianity”? What a joke. All that stuff is minor compared to all the rape, torture, hate & violence that the so-called “Christians” have brought upon us for melenia.

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