The Power of Being Defeated (By Greater and Greater Things)

Someone once said that the entire purpose of life is “to be defeated by greater and greater things.” That sounds both profound, and profoundly discouraging! What does it actually mean? In this latest conversation with his dad, Rick — a longtime missionary and pastor — author and speaker Joël Malm explores the conundrum that if you are not regularly facing failures of some kind, you may not be trying hard enough.

What we think of as failure and loss, however, may look very different from Heaven’s perspective, depending on the circumstances. Watch or listen to their 13-minute conversation.