The Podcast at the End of Our Empire: Jason Jones and ‘Anonymous’ Unpack America’s Afghan Surrender … and the Hacks Who Made it Happen

By John Zmirak Published on August 22, 2021

The podcast I think the most important is one I often struggle to listen to. Let me explain: I mostly put on podcasts when I lie down to sleep. I let them warble gently as I nod off. Later on, I wake up and go back to the parts I missed. Since I’m trying to get my blood pressure down instead of up, I mostly choose topics that don’t get me excited, angry or sad.

So that means … medieval history, ancient legends, and cute little informational program about animals. The “hot button” topics I bookmark, but I find that they’re piling up. I hesitate to lie down and listen to something that will make me want to stand up and start a fight.

Scapegoating the Vulnerable

Which brings me to The Jason Jones Show. Jason doesn’t do “fluff.” With the podcast sponsored by his Vulnerable People Project, he focuses it relentlessly, and only aims for the big game. As a student of the works of Christian philosopher Rene Girard, Jones is obsessed with what he calls “counter-scapegoating.” That is, with pushing back against the thundering Gadarene herd that blames the weak, praises the strong, and preens as being “prophetic” for repeating the Party line of the powerful.

Jason is the only person I know who opposed our disastrous Iraq War before I did. He warned of, then reported, on the subsequent genocide of Christians and other religious minorities in that country. He traveled Iraqi Kurdistan, meeting with victims of ISIS long before the Mainstream Media talked about them. Jason has been the loudest American voice in defense of the Uyghur people, now victimized by China. And of course, through all that time, he has worked as a filmmaker and activist on behalf of unborn children and their moms.

Eye-Opening Audio

Recent episodes of The Jason Jones Show that will keep you up at night include:

  • An interview with a Uyghur escapee from China’s campaign of genocide.
  • A talk with Steve Bannon about the theft of the 2020 election, and the abuse of January 6 political prisoners.
  • A back and forth with me, after Jason’s life and death fight with COVID, on how the abortion-linked vaccine got sold to America’s churches — and which medicines saved Jason and his family.
  • A rollicking, inspiring interview with the great Eric Metaxas, on the need for Christians to resist our increasingly totalitarian culture.

Who Lost Our Honor in Afghanistan?

But Jason’s latest episode is next-level, heart-rending, and crucial. Jason spend more than an hour with one of his closest friends — who also happens to be a retired US intelligence officer. Not just any member of the Deep State, “John” (he must remain anonymous) was one of America’s chief spooks in Iraq, and did top-level assessments of Afghanistan.

Now, as Jason’s Vulnerable People Project tries to fill planes with carefully-vetted US allies, to get them out of Kabul, “John” is helping Jason to expose how we got to this place. That is, to a comprehensive collapse of a recently-peaceful US ally in a crucial strategic region, this after trillions of dollars and thousands of lives were utterly wasted.

We Need Real Congressional Hearings

Who wasted all that money? Who threw away those lives? How did a project that started with high-blown promises from neo-imperialist neoconservatives end up a Taliban turkey shoot of women and Afghan Christians?

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“John” knows where the secrets are buried. He calls out the careerists, profiteers, and ideologues who tap-danced in front of our media, and the compliant journalists who “reported” from the safety of trendy, Beltway-style bars in the center of Kabul. “John” also exposes the apex-level military leaders who lied to Congress, the press, and of course the American public. He calls for a historic tribunal to explore the historic failure of Joe Biden and his administration — and of each US president before that, going back to Bill Clinton.

As China solidifies its decades-long partnership with the Taliban and replaces the US as hegemon in Asia, Americans need to know the pattern of falsehoods, self-serving deals, and blundering strategy that landed us in this second, more shameful Saigon. Count on Jason Jones to guide you to a much-deeper understanding of America, and a more profound empathy with the innocent and the powerless.

Check it out. You might not sleep for days. You might just stay up praying.


John Zmirak is a senior editor at The Stream and author or co-author of ten books, including The Politically Incorrect Guide to Immigration and The Politically Incorrect Guide to Catholicism. He is co-author with Jason Jones of “God, Guns, & the Government.”

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