‘The Very Ideology of Socialism is Corrupt’: Rev. Samuel Rodriguez and Randy Robison Discuss the State of Politics in America

By The Stream Published on March 28, 2019

Rev. Samuel Rodriguez recently joined Stream contributor Randy Robison in an exclusive interview to discuss the state of politics in our nation.

“It’s a Charles Dickens moment,” Rodriguez says. “In certain respects, it’s the best of times. We’ve seen religious liberty protected like we’ve never had religious liberty protected before, arguably. We have seen a defense of life protected, particularly through the conduit of the Executive branch. Arguably like never before since Roe v. Wade.”

“On the other side of the coin … This idea of socialism — of big government, of government dependency — is so counter intuitive to Scripture and the Word of God and God’s purpose. Listen. If you want to talk about socialism, this idea of big government, Uncle Sam may be our uncle, he’ll never be our Heavenly Father. Ever.”

“This idea that we depend on government for income. … It takes away the God-given ability, the self worth, dignity component of work, of creativity, and innovation. It’s just ridiculous. It’s anti-Biblical, and every Christian should rise up and say, ‘No!’”

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Watch and share the video. And pray. Below is a full transcript of the interview, lightly edited for clarity.

Randy Robison: You deal a lot with nation issues. Give me an idea of what you’re seeing in our country.

Rev. Samuel Rodriguez: Since the last time we spoke, it’s a Charles Dickens moment.

In certain respects, it’s the best of times. We’ve seen religious liberty protected like we’ve never had religious liberty protected before, arguably. We have seen a defense of life protected, particularly through the conduit of the Executive branch. Arguably like never before since Roe v. Wade.

On the other side of the coin, boy since the last time we were together… This idea of socialism, of big government, of government dependency is so counter intuitive to Scripture and the Word of God. And God’s purpose. Listen, if you want to talk about socialism, this idea of big government, Uncle Sam may be our uncle, he’ll never be our Heavenly Father. Ever.

This idea that we depend on government takes away the God-given ability, the self worth, dignity, component of work, creativity, and innovation.

This idea that we depend on government for income. This idea that we depend on government, even in the words of a freshman congresswoman, who said, “even if they don’t want to work, they should get a check.” It takes away the God-given ability, the self worth, dignity, component of work, creativity, and innovation. It’s just ridiculous. It’s anti-Biblical, and every Christian should rise up and say, “No!”

Did socialism work in Russia, under Stalin?

Robison: “Well, they did it wrong. It was corrupt under him.” That’s the line, right?

Rodriguez: No, it… socialism is socialism.

That’s just a line! Socialism was so bad under Mao Zedong that now China is, arguably, even more free market than some other more “free market” nations. China’s communist moniker is a misnomer. It’s a totalitarian, authoritarian regime. But it has very little to do with communism. Very little.

So my point to you is: everyone… Venezuela. They just tried socialism. How’s that working out for them?

Robison: Again and again, “There was corruption involved.”

Rodriguez: No! It’s not about corruption. No. The very ideology is corrupt, not the practitioners. The ideology is corrupt. It is anti-Christ, anti-God, anti-personal responsibility, anti-family.

If we talk about abortion — and we need to, I’m pro-life from the womb to the tomb — we need to talk about adoption.

These are the ideas, you know, growing right now in the nation, along with this idea of post-birth abortions, infanticide. Yeah, we want to love — and we do love everyone. We want everyone to be redeemed. But we can’t be silent. We can’t be silent about babies being murdered. We can’t be silent. And it is murder. And it is infanticide. And that’s not hyperbole. And it’s not divisive rhetoric. It is truth to power. Indeed.

At the same time, if we talk about abortion — and we need to, I’m pro-life from the womb to the tomb — we need to talk about adoption. And talk about adoption as a viable alternative. And we want Christians emptying out, you know, the places, orphanages. We want Christians being the number one leaders in adoption.

Robison: And we have been, historically.

Rodriguez: And we want to increase that exponentially. But man, we’re living in some serious times. Even where biology is ignored by ideology.

Robison: You’re right.

Rodriguez: Biology is ignored by ideology. Two plus 2 is no longer 4. I mean, what’s next? We’re going down a slippery slope, man. This requires the Church to stand up.

Robison: So here’s my question. And this can be a tough one. For those who don’t accept Scripture, or God, as authority, quoting the Bible’s not going to mean anything to them because it’s all “nonsense.” What do you think is the best way to reason with these people to change their minds about socialism, about abortion?

Rodriguez: Science.

It’s science. If you don’t believe in God, or if you have questions, or you’re agnostic, or you’re not completely sold out to the power of the Word of God, this is just simple math. Go back in history. Look at every single attempt as it pertains to socialism — look at every single attempt. Go back in history.

There are a number of atheists and agnostics that, because of evolutionary Darwinistic worldview, have issues with abortion. Because it’s “impeding the natural evolution” — their wording, not mine — of the human species. Of what’s next for us. So we’re impeding.

We need people to make a clarion call and to build a firewall against moral relativism.

So, It’s pretty amazing how, if you don’t get into the Word of God or embrace the reality, the viability, embedded in the Word — go to math and science. Really. And the truth shall set you free. It’s out of the truth, which is Christ. He is the truth. John 14:6, “… the way, the truth, and the life.” Or, mathematic and scientific truth. But the truth sets you free.

We’re living in an age where people are waking up in the morning and trying to rewrite truth. It’s “Cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs.” Where does this end? And we need people to make a clarion call and to build a firewall against moral relativism.

Robison: You mention the executive branch taking lead in some of these areas in a positive way. Do you think… Should we have much hope, as Christians, in a president who has some pretty obvious flaws, but seems to be headed in the right direction anyway?

Rodriguez: Please help me out. Name one president who didn’t have a flaw — and some of them were not obvious because they were in an age before social media. Before YouTube and Instagram and Facebook and Twitter.

Robison: True. How do we pray for this guy?

Rodriguez: Oh. Pray as we were supposed to pray for all these guys, right?, throughout history. We pray for God’s Will to be done. We pray for God to use these individuals in order to advance an agenda of righteousness and justice. Psalm 89:14. But we pray.

It’s the Word of God in the New Testament, God admonishing us through the apostle to pray for those that are in authority. Absolutely. Any Christian who is not praying for the president should repent.

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