The Scientific Pantheist Who Advises Pope Francis

The scientist who influenced Laudato Si, and who serves at the Vatican's science office, seems to believe in Gaia, but not in God.

By William M Briggs Published on June 22, 2015

St. Francis of Assisi’s hymn Laudato Si’ spoke of “Brothers” Sun and Fire and “Sisters” Moon and Water, using these colorful phrases figuratively, as a way of praising God’s creation. These sentimental words so touched Pope Francis that he named his encyclical after this canticle (repeated in paragraph 87 of the Holy Father’s letter).

Neither Pope Francis nor St. Francis took the words literally, of course. Neither believed that fire was alive and could be talked to or reasoned with or, worse, worshiped. Strange, then, that a self-professed atheist and scientific advisor to the Vatican named Hans Schellnhuber appears to believe in a Mother Earth.

Gaia

The Gaia Principle, first advanced by chemist James Lovelock (who has lately had second thoughts) and microbiologist Lynn Margulis in the 1970s, says that all life interacts with the Earth, and the Earth with all life, to form a giant self-regulating, living system.

This goes far beyond the fact that the Earth’s climate system has feedbacks, which are at the very center of the debate over climate change. In the Gaia Principle, Mother Earth is alive, and even, some think, aware in some ill-defined, mystical way. The Earth knows man and his activities and, frankly, isn’t too happy with him.

This is what we might call “scientific pantheism,” a kind that appeals to atheistic scientists. It is an updated version of the pagan belief that the universe itself is God, that the Earth is at least semi-divine — a real Brother Sun and Sister Water! Mother Earth is immanent in creation and not transcendent, like the Christian God.

What’s this have to do with Schellnhuber? In the 1999 Nature paper “‘Earth system’ analysis and the second Copernican revolution,” he said:

Ecosphere science is therefore coming of age, lending respectability to its romantic companion, Gaia theory, as pioneered by Lovelock and Margulis. This hotly debated ‘geophysiological’ approach to Earth-system analysis argues that the biosphere contributes in an almost cognizant way to self-regulating feedback mechanisms that have kept the Earth’s surface environment stable and habitable for life.

Geo-physiological, in case you missed it. Cognizant, in black and white. So dedicated is Schellnhuber to this belief that he says “the Gaia approach may even include the influence of biospheric activities on the Earth’s plate-tectonic processes.”  Not the other way around, mind you, where continental drift and earthquakes effects life, but where life effects earthquakes.

He elaborates:

Although effects such as the glaciations may still be interpreted as over-reactions to small disturbances — a kind of cathartic geophysiological fever — the main events, resulting in accelerated maturation by shock treatment, indicate that Gaia faces a powerful antagonist. Rampino has proposed personifying this opposition as Shiva, the Hindu god of destruction.

Mother Earth gets the flu and instead of white blood cells and a rise in temperature to fend off the infection, it sends white ice and a decrease in temperatures. How? Geophysiologically! I remind the reader that our author, writing in one of the world’s most prominent science journals, does not use these propositions metaphorically. He proposes them as actual mechanisms.

Schellnhuber echoes the theme of a cognizant, i.e. self-aware, planet in another (co-authored) 2004 paper in Nature 2004, “Climbing the co-evolution ladder,” suggesting again that mankind is an infection, saying that mankind “perturbs … the global ‘metabolism'” of the planet.

Tipping Points

Schellnhuber, a one-time quantum physicist who turned his attention to Mother Earth late in his career, was also co-author of a 2009 Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences paper “Imprecise probability assessment of tipping points in the climate system,” which asked select scientists their gut assessment about the arrival of various “tipping points.” Tipping points are a theme of Schellnhuber’s research (see inter alia this and this).

Tipping points are supposed moments when some doom which might have been avoided if some action had been taken, is no longer possible to avoid and will arrive no matter what. Tipping points have come and gone in climate forecasts for decades now. The promised dooms never arrive but the false prophets never quit.  Their intent is less to forecast than to induce something short of panic in order to plead for political intervention. When the old tipping point is past, theorists just change the date, issue new warnings and hope no one will notice.

One of the tipping points Schellnhuber asked about was the melting of the Greenland ice sheet, depending on what the temperature did. All of the selected experts (who answered the questions in 2004 and 2005) gave moderate (~15-25%) to quite high probabilities (50-80%) for this event to have occurred by 2015. The ice did not melt.

Schellnhuber Michelangelo Gaia

From a paper for the Pontifical Academy of Sciences by Hans Schellnhuber and Maria Martin, illustrating the idea of a methane tipping point. As a modification of Michelangelo’s iconic image from the Sistine Chapel, Earth replaces God, and Adam puts Earth at risk of descending into a fiery abyss.

Schellnhuber presented more tipping points to the Pontifical Academy of Sciences in 2014 in the co-authored paper, “Climate-System Tipping Points and Extreme Weather Events.” In that paper, Schellnhuber has a “scientific” graph with Michelangelo’s Sistine Chapel Adam “flicking” a planet earth over a methane tipping point, such that the earth would roll down into a fiery pit labeled the “Warming Abyss.” Hell on earth.

The Problem of People

Schellnhuber is most famous for predicting that the “carrying capacity” of the earth is “below” 1 billion people. When confronted with this, he called those who quoted him “liars.” But he then repeated the same claim, saying, “All I said was that if we had unlimited global warming of eight degrees warming, maybe the carrying capacity of the earth would go down to just 1 billion, and then the discussion would be settled.”  And he has often said that this temperature tipping point would be reached — unless “actions” were taken.

The man is suspicious of people. In that same interview he said, “If you want to reduce human population, there are wonderful means: Improve the education of girls and young women.” Since young women already know where babies come from, and since this knowledge tends neither to increase nor decrease population, the “education” he has in mind must be facts about how to avoid the consequences of sex. Austin Ruse discovered a 2009 talk in which Schellnhuber said the earth “will explode” due to resource depletion once the population reaches 9 billion, a number that the UN projects in 2050. Presumably he wants earth to avoid that fate, so he must support the population control that Pope Francis so clearly repudiated in his encyclical.

Bad Religion

Confirmation bias happens when a scientist manipulates an experiment so that he gets the outcome he hoped he would get. When Schellnhuber invites only believers in tipping-points-of-doom to characterize their guesses of this doom, his view that the doom is real will be confirmed. And when he publishes a paper that says, “Scientists say world is doomed” the public and politicians believe it. Scientists skeptical of the doom are dismissed because they are skeptics. This isn’t good science. It’s really bad religion, and a pagan one at that.

Global warming research is characterized by an insider’s club. If you believe, you’re in. If you doubt, you’re out. This is also so at the Pontifical Academies of Science where Schellnhuber was appointed by Bishop Marcelo Sanchez Sorondo. The bishop locked scientists with contrary views out of the process, scientists he has repeatedly dismissed as “funded by the oil industry.” Given this, how likely is it that the Holy Father was fully aware of the views of the chief scientist who advised him?

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  • Fr.Duffy Fighting 69th

    Francis is the False Prophet, and a usurper to the Chair of St. Peter. So naturally he would have a reprobate as his science advisor. When Francis talks about “authentic human ecology” he really means – abortion, contraception, euthanasia, homosexuality, trans-genderism, trans-humanism, genetic manipulation and eugenics. We are in The Great Apostasy, so of course we will see heretics gain access to the levers of control in Rome. Even more frightening is the prospect of exactly who gives Francis his orders…and how much longer before “He” enters the world stage. God help us all.

    • Grigori_Efimovich

      Who are the Cardinals who appointed him? They are the real enemies of the Catholic faith.

      • Fr.Duffy Fighting 69th

        Remember, we battle against Thrones, Powers, Principalities and Dominions. Cardinals are merely pawns in a much bigger game. Francis became Pope because 1) God allowed it. 2) Satan worked for it. And 3) It fits into God’s plan for humanity in the context of Salvation history. Satan is the real enemy of the Roman Catholic Faith.

        • Grigori_Efimovich

          God allowed it because good men did nothing. God allowed it be cause good men did not crush the satanic Jesuit brotherhood.

        • Katherine McChesney

          The Roman Catholic church is satanic to it’s core. It is Babylonian paganism with its idol worship, prayers to the dead, it’s lies about it’s history. From it has sprung dictators like Hitler, Stalin, Lenin and Castro. It has genocided millions of TRUE Christians who rejected the Pope. It’s also supported by the satanic Jesuits. Loyola organized the Society of “Jesus” in order to bring the world under Vatican domination.

          • Fr.Duffy Fighting 69th

            Au Contraire – the True Roman Catholic Church is the One True Church. Don’t confuse what is happening in Rome right now with the immutable, God-given Teachings of the Roman Catholic Faith. The Divinity of Jesus Christ, The True Presence, The Holy Trinity, The Sacraments, The Blessed Mother and the Communion of Saints. You need a thorough spiritual cleansing Katherine.

          • Katherine McChesney

            Your ‘church’ is NOT the one true church. Your churchs history is murderous, idol worshiping and was founded LONG AFTER Peter and Jesus died. You’ve genocided TRUE CHRISTIANS who refused to bow to the pope. I see you are a priest. You’re probably just another pervert pedophile. Furthermore, Mary was mother of several children, she isn’t divine and she cannot intervene between man and God. You’re is a worthless but evil church and your religion is paganism.

          • Fr.Duffy Fighting 69th

            In the Holy name of Jesus, and by the power of His Precious Blood, I command you spirits of heresy and hate to leave Katherine at once, and go immediately to foot of the Cross for Jesus to deal with. I call on the Holy Spirit to fill Katherine with the love of Truth and heal the damage caused in her childhood by those she trusted. I ask you Blessed Mother, to wrap your Mantle of love and holiness around Katherine, and be the Mother she never had when growing up. I ask all this in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, Amen.

          • Katherine McChesney

            You’re an exorcist. Your church is in league with demons. No matter what you can’t change the murderous history of your church and the fact that it is filled with perverts.

          • Erich

            Katherine, you really need to stop.

          • Red47

            Dare I suggest that the Old Testament itself is a record of a murderous history of God’s people? Please don’t rant at me. I am not going to be nice if you do.

          • Fr.Duffy Fighting 69th

            Res Ipsa Loquitur.

          • Katherine McChesney

            Cursing me now, eh?

          • CKAinRedStateUSA

            You, sir, follow your own gospel, not the Lamb’s.

            May God have mercy on your soul; remove the scales from your eyes, ears and heart — and rescue you.

            May He also free you from the spiritual bondage and lies in which you exist.

          • Fr.Duffy Fighting 69th

            Save your “prayers” and oaths for your reprobate friends. Your words mean nothing to me, as it is clear you have been deceived by the Evil One. Your soul is as black as obsidian on a moonless night. There is no hope for you, CKAinRedStateUSA.

          • Red47

            Are you a Christian? If so, you may want to think about how you are perceived and what you are trying to accomplish by coming to a Catholic discussion blog and shrieking about how awful Catholics are. That is not the point of this discussion, nor this blog. You sound like you have an axe to grind and aren’t particularly effective in your method.

          • FollowDaMoney

            “God-given Teachings of the Roman Catholic Faith” How is that part about praying the dead into heaven working for you? Praying to Mother Mary and other “Saints”. Infant baptism? Confession to the Priest? Purgatory? And I save the best part for last about Priests not marring? Becoming a Christian is all about grace and a personal relationship with Jesus Christ, not communion and baby baptism.

          • Erich

            If you are earnest in your question you can find all of the answers to these questions. Every answer is rooted in the fullness of our understanding of who Jesus is and what he instructed us to do. ie. Catholics don’t pray to saints.

          • FollowDaMoney

            These are my own observations in attending mass/church services/funerals over many years. Many of my friends are Catholic and have great character. There may be Catholic’s that are saved by the blood of Jesus Christ by believing in Jesus that he died for our sins. Everything I have seen with the Catholic Church is about works. Works will not get you into heaven. Baptism for example was done by those of age expressing their belief in Jesus to the public. Jesus was a man when he was baptized by John the Baptist.

          • Erich

            Catholics do not believe you can work your way into heaven. Faith and a relationship with Jesus/God/Holy Spirit is the cornerstone. However, we live our lives and what we do (works) can not be contrary to Jesus’ teaching. There is a lot of mis-information about Catholocism out there and sometimes even among Catholics. As I said (and I say it with as much humility I can muster) each and every thing we Catholics do goes back to the cornerstone, check out the Catechism and see if you find anything you would disagree with, you won’t regret it.

          • FollowDaMoney

            I appreciate your thoughts. I am a Christ follower and not a follower of any Religion. I believe that where two or more Christians gather together is a “Church”. Christ said that you will be known by your works. Meaning that others will know you as a Christian(follower of Christ) by your actions. I am a sinner saved by God’s grace not by my works.

          • Mollie Norris

            Where does the Bible say that you should pray to Mary and Jesus and saints. If you read it, you’ll find it only says to pray to Yahweh.
            Referring to the RC catechism isn’t a rational means of validating RC teaching..

          • Fr.Duffy Fighting 69th

            How grossly uninformed you are, FollowDaMoney. Your rejection of the One True Church, Roman Catholicism, is your choice. God gave you free will to reject the Truth. But what a price to pay for your hubris…the very real possibility of eternal damnation.

          • FollowDaMoney

            Don’t need a “Church” to go to heaven or to have a relationship with Jesus Christ. Just ask the Thief on the Cross. He went to Heaven long before the Catholic Church. I hope this helps your miss givings.

          • Fr.Duffy Fighting 69th

            I gather you are comparing yourself the the “thief on the cross”. My advice is not to count on the type of mercy he received. You are taking a big chance. Better to get straight with the One True Faith now, before it is too late.

          • CKAinRedStateUSA

            You do the work of the Father of Lies. And you must know that.

            What you’ve been saying is spiritually repulsive.

          • Fr.Duffy Fighting 69th

            I am certain you have an intimate relationship with the Father of Lies, CKAinRedStateUSA.

          • Mollie Norris

            “Better to get straight with the One True Faith ” – an oxymoron, according to Pope Francis; a major problem is his teaching.

          • Fr.Duffy Fighting 69th

            Oxymoron? Please look up the definition of oxymoron. Francis is the False Prophet.

          • Mollie Norris

            Francis advocates unification of existing religions into a single global religion. “one true religion” is oxymoronic to this point of view.

          • Fr.Duffy Fighting 69th

            I am sorry. It is an incorrect use of the word. One World Religion is not an oxymoronic to One True Religion. Please stay on topic.

          • CKAinRedStateUSA

            You are deceived. “Your rejection of the One True Church, Roman Catholicism…”?

            And you equate that with eternal damnation? That’s heresy.

            You haven’t the slightest idea of Christ, His redemption, His sacrifice.

            Only your and anyone else’s rejection of Him, His Salvation, will bring you eternal damnation.

          • Fr.Duffy Fighting 69th

            You are so certain? You speak like a classic protestant reprobate. Full of hate and bile.

          • Erich

            Amen

          • CKAinRedStateUSA

            The One True Church is Christ Jesus. And Mary is part of the Catholic bent on Christianity, not Christianity’s.

          • Fr.Duffy Fighting 69th

            Your rejection of the Blessed Mother seals your fate.

          • Craig Roberts

            “Blessed are you when people hate you, when they exclude you and insult you and reject your name as evil, because of the Son of Man.” Luke 6:22

          • Fr.Duffy Fighting 69th

            We have no choice but to stay with Jesus Christ, no matter what they do to us. We haven’t resisted unto blood yet, but that day will come.

          • Mollie Norris

            You need to read the bible.

          • Fr.Duffy Fighting 69th

            I read it every day. Do you?

          • Mollie Norris

            Your comments have referred nearly exclusively to Catholic dogma and practices. The discussion is focused on Catholic beliefs versus scripture; you’re not attempting to justify Catholic beliefs by reference to the bible.

          • Fr.Duffy Fighting 69th

            Roman Catholic doctrine IS scriptural. There is no dichotomy there. The Roman Catholic Faith is the the One True Faith, founded by Jesus Christ and His Apostles.

    • Erich

      FR. Duff, I’m a cathechism catholic (also, a cradle catholic who boomeranged back at 33, now 48 years old). I’m trying to remain humble and obedient. I’m curious, I kinda sense that you’re on the up and up as far as being a Catholic, so…here’s my question: How have you decided to to make your call, “great apostasy, etc.” I really am concerned and trying to figure out how to proceed.

      • Fr.Duffy Fighting 69th

        Ten years of prayer, discernment and observation. Plus the help of some very prayerful and devout Catholics. I too am a Catechism Catholic. I am also a Sacramental Catholic. However, mostly I try to be a lover of Jesus Christ, and a devotee of His Blessed Mother. Great Apostasy – 1) The state of humanity and the depth of sin world-wide. 2) The rise of demonic forces in EVERY aspect of human existence. 3) The continued intersection of Biblical/Scriptural references that point to the Endtimes. 4) The rise of apostasy within the ranks of the Catholic faithful and clergy. 5) Francis’ obvious heretical statements, inferences and official declarations. And his willingness to toss solid Catholic Doctrine, and more importantly, the Divine Jesus, out the window. 6) A deep spiritual sense that we are in the opening phases of the Great Tribulation. DON’T BE CONCERNED OR ANXIOUS! Trust Jesus. Trust Jesus. Trust Jesus. And pray the Rosary EVERY day. God has created us for just this time in Salvation history. He will have a mission for each and everyone of us. Peace Eric.

        • Erich

          Thank you, I pray/meditate on the rosary every day. It has changed my life and opened my mind just a little bit to the unbelieveable inconceiveable mind of Jesus. If you are comfortable can you expand a little more on #’s 4 and 5? Then specifically, how do you remain loyal to Mother Church while simultaneously rejecting some of the Pope’s messaging?

          • Fr.Duffy Fighting 69th

            #4 and #5 are evident if you follow the statements, declarations and policy positions. Loyalty to the Church? The Roman Catholic Church defined as: the Divinity of Jesus Christ; The True Presence in the Eucharist; The Holy Trinity; The Sacraments; the Communion of Saints and the Blessed Mother as Co-Redemptrix. Easy to stay loyal to those Pillars of the Faith. The Papacy is NOT the Roman Catholic Church, especially when the Office is being manipulated and Corrupted by Ecclesiastical Masonry. Moreover, when the “messaging” is clearly heretical and apostate it is easy to reject.

    • No mincing words here Fr.

      • Fr.Duffy Fighting 69th

        There isn’t time to mince words anymore. We all better gird our spiritual loins and prepare for the Great Tribulation, it is due to start in 2015. Trust in Jesus. Pray, pray, pray.

  • Oboy_must_go

    That guy Hans is nuts.

  • gzizzle

    I find it appropriate that the Pope sides with other religions like global warming. In fact, it is a perfect fit.

  • Ski

    In other news, President Obama has hired Karl Rove to be his economic adviser.

    • Erich

      Why no,t Rove just suggested it would be a good idea to repeal the 2nd amendment. It’s like there’s a cabal at the top that takes in disperate parts (republicans, dems, now possibly Catholics) all to gain power over the populations. They’re sociopathic and ruthless. Look how Nigel Farage was attacked.

  • Kaos Rex

    Was starting to like this Pope. Now my eyebrows are raised and questioning his motives. He is supposed to be saving souls and redemption to humanity. Not getting involved in junk science and the politics it entails.

    • art7

      That is what fakirs do…

    • Same feeling over here, I was very much liking him until now.

  • FortSteve

    As a Catholic, I am beginning to think that our hierarchy in the Vatican needs flushed out. No pontiff should extend his ministry beyond Catholic theology. This is not different than some Imam extolling the virtues of barbecued pork.

    • Mollie Norris

      Read the Jesuit’s involvement in the sinking of the Titanic and the deaths of US bankers who opposed the creation of a central bank, the US fed, who were recruited for its maiden voyage.

  • Rob Billeaud

    If this guy was just your run-of-the-mill atheist, it wouldn’t bother me one bit. I mean, he’s a science adviser right? But the fact that he’s some kind of ecological nutjob, now that’s a problem and certainly a cause to question his objectivity.

  • Nick099

    From the description, it reminds of certain pagan belief systems. How nice that his Holiness is relying on such ideas living in his bubble. Unfortunately it is obvious from many of his statements that have been publicized that he is steeped in Marxist BS beliefs. Perhaps someone should whisper in his ear that Marxists have murdered more than a hundred million over the last hundred years and have nothing to do with Jesus.

  • art7

    I suppose Cardinal Al Gore is the next thing with this Pope. The Pope is a Marxist dope; zero credibility and NOT a man of God.

  • Grigori_Efimovich

    The Pope is a Vatican two Marxist.

  • art7

    I guess Saint Malechy was right after all…

  • art7

    Pope Francis is completing the work of Satan… the proverbial wolf in sheep’s clothing.

    • Mollie Norris

      Yes, and the globalist Illuminati agenda has proceeded according to Fabian Socialist policy; a political movement self-identified by a wolf in sheep’s clothing.

  • GrumpyOne

    Heh… Looks like the Vatican is following the footsteps of the US with regard to becoming communist sympathizers if not outright practitioners of such..

    • MelAnosis

      Pretty soon The Castro boys will be put up for Sainthood by this Pope.

  • Gilchrist

    If this story is true, it just goes to show how the Vatican is as dysfunctional as the Obama administration. No wonder the Progressive press falls over itself to interpret what is being said.

  • Oboy_must_go

    Why does the pope need a “science adviser” anyway?

    • Smith and Wesson and Me

      For the same reason governments dole out billions to [former] scientists to somehow “prove” warmist religion…propaganda.

  • MelAnosis

    The Washington Post story yesterday states that the Vatican barred a French scientific denier who claims solar activity is more responsible for temperature changes than CO2. Hmmm. It seems the Vatican will listen to an atheist before a Frenchmen who doesn’t agree with their trumped up encyclical.

    • Kemo Sabe

      Same for many well qualified scientists who does not get government Grants because their findings does not meet w/ government(aka pols) approved conclusions.
      Scientists who gets government grant must reach conclusions ordained by governments/pols who control government levers..
      It like if someone gives you $$ to do math. The giver insists 2+2= 5.
      Your livelihood depends quite a bit on these $$ and future promises of getting more $$ . So you do your calculations and measurement w/ all your high tech thingies. Presto,.2+2 does equal 5. Well, that settles it them. It’s settled math.

      • realclearconservative

        97% of scientists who believe in global warming believe in global warming for a reason. I’ll speculate that 100% of that 97% get govt/AGW funding in one way or another.

        • Red47

          The 97% is a fake number. But it sounds real cool for them to say it’s legit.

          • realclearconservative

            They couldn’t possibly say 100% without being challenged. I think there was a 100% consensus of the alarmists that 97% would be a more practical number to try to defend. Which they’ve also failed at.

          • Red47

            Usually that number refers to the scientists on the IPCC. That list was not even populated by 100% scientists. The ones who disagreed largely were not anywhere near that conference and the one who was their expert will not stand by the findings as the panel wrote them.
            Also, when people talk of the money from Big Oil and how it is corrupting the theology, they are failing to note that the leaders in developing alternative energy that is Big Green are..come in closer as this may be a secret…Big Oil.

          • Erich

            H ha, so good, that reaaly is funny and true. By the way ever hear of Ivar Giaever??

          • Red47

            He asked this, “How can you measure the average temperature of the Earth? I don’t think that’s possible.” and got the usual bombardment of numbers and data scintilla. No one addressed the issue as he presented it, as far as I can see in my brief look up. This entire subject is appallingly credentialed. When you mention to the True Believers that if this was real, Gore would not have had to lie (And lie big time) in the wryly named “An Inconvenient Truth”. It seems the only truth was that Al Gore was involved. He created a problem, hten came up with Carbon Exchanges to solve the problem. He made some money before that scam was dismantled. If it was real, the debate would not have to be relegated to those whose presentation is deemed acceptable by the Believers. If it is real, these proponents would immediately change their lifestyles and do a great deal more teleconferencing and less jetting about. If it is real, shouldn’t at least one of their main models have worked? If it was real, wouldn’t it have–scientifically–have gone from a hypothesis to a theory, rather than having made the jump by fiat? If man was responsible for climate change how do they explain that climate change has happened long before man was industrialized according to the geological core samplings? And finally, if this climate change is so very, very dire, why is there ZERO focus on how we plan to adapt and 100% focus on whom they would blame (the “rich”),how to control the behavior (take resources from the “rich”), and dictate the lifestyle of humans (we must all lessen our carbon footprint)?
            When I hear these fanatics addressing this instead of money shaming people and countries, I will listen. That includes this Pope fella.

          • Erich

            Giaever took exception to the word ‘incontrovertible’ as used in one of their declarations re: global warming, man-made global warming, climate change, whatever….and the whole place exploded.

          • Red47

            If they were actually scientists, they would have held their water. This is what I take issue with. If it’s real…

          • Mollie Norris

            A secret only because they also control the media and have publicly thanked many media outlets for their complicity – David Rockefeller’s autobiography.

          • Erich

            Ha ha, spot on!

          • MelAnosis

            The real question is how many think warming is anthropogenic. The left avoids that question.

          • Red47

            Heeey now. We don’t need no stinkin’ scientists. We got a Pope with a two year chem degree..

          • MelAnosis

            “We don’t have no deniers…we don’t need no deniers…..I don’t have to show you any stinking deniers.” Pope Poncho

          • Mollie Norris

            No – science has nothing to do with opinion. It’s a description of the way the physical universe is designed by its creator, and has no correlation or causative relation with human knowledge or understanding or observation of this. If everyone in the world believed that water boiled at a different temperature than it does, this 100% consensus would have no effect on the bp of water.

          • MelAnosis

            Also true

        • Kemo Sabe

          globalony Warmings are their number one jobs.Gotta keeep those grants $$ flowing. Say something contradictory and it’s the unemployment line.

  • ra44mr2

    I wish all these gaia worshippers would give up their technology and go live in the mountains somewhere. Preferably the Andes.

    • ChopperChopChop

      They’ll insist that they need access to technology to save the Earth – but everyone else should give up technology and go live in the mountains. People who push leftist ideologies say that they want everyone to be equal, but they always prepare an exclusive place at the top (above the rules) for themselves.

      • realclearconservative

        The overpopulation alarmists are in the top tier. Paraphrasing: “Some people will have to die but, NOT ME. I’ll rant and rave about it until I’m blue in the face but, I’m no martyr.”

        • Mollie Norris

          Catastrophic AGW, peak oil, anthropogenic destruction of the earth in general are fictions created by misanthropes as justification for the murder of humans they don’t need to serve them; Club of Rome “The First Global Revolution”, first published in the early 70s. At the current rate of population growth, global population will stabilize by around 2030. Erlich recently published more delusional Malthusian garbage.

  • Fr.Duffy Fighting 69th

    There is something to consider in the larger context. The Vatican’s approach to science. Over the last few decades the Vatican has been quietly investigating the outer limits of space with its observatory in Arizona – called LUCIFER. They have a team of the best astronomers and the best equipment available. However, they won’t share any of the data acquired, nor their findings related to: Planet X/Nibiru; ET’s; habitable planets; possible ELE events related to comets, astroids or meteorites. what we do get from the Jesuits in the Vatican Science Office is pablum about how ET’s are our brothers and are eligible for Baptism. What are they building up to? How do they fit these preposterous statements into Scripture? We had all better get ready for major “announcements” about man’s place in the Universe, God’s role in Creation and the “true” nature of Jesus’ Divinity. I shudder at the prospect.

    • OllieK

      Indeed, Francis said if you bend over, you can see Uranus.

    • Hisdoulos

      If and when the fallen angels reappear from the “sky” the Roman Catholic church will embrace them as they have been saying for years that aliens do exist and can be saved. So when they appear, with the dna perfected so the beings look “beautiful”, I believe the Catholic church might say the “sky people” are our forefathers that began our life on earth and we should embrace them. These would be the same fallen angels that cohabitated with the “daughters of men” to birth freaks of nature, some reaching 16′ tall, all discussed in detail in Genesis.

  • Kemo Sabe

    All bodies can be infiltrated.
    We know political bodies can be infiltrated. governmental bodies can be infiltrated.
    Here we have the infiltration by our Pied Piper,Imam Hussein. The infiltration of the dem party by outright marxists. the infiltration of the R party by the likes of Boehner and McConnell and quite a few others that wears the R mantle who have sold out the conservative voters and what R’s should stand for.
    Look at Germany, how most of the people followed their Pied Piper Fuhrer to ruination.
    Japanese at one time believed their Emperor was a god.
    In the old USSR, the Kommissars had communist priest keeping tabs on their religious flock.
    Religious organizations can als be infiltrated. Right here at home we have many hack Religious leaders who shears their sheeples of their $$.
    Who would imagine there are peoples gullible enough to follow the likes of Jim Jones w/ promises of uUopia and her sista Nirvana and moved to the Jungles, oops, sorry, Rain Forest in Guiana
    We have many millions of gullible folks now following our Imam and the pols of his marxist party.
    Many may find it hard to believe. But Yes even the Vatican can and have been infiltrated.
    I’m RC and believe this is a marxist Pope.

  • Yodeling Larry

    Great…our economy is being heavily influenced by a bunch of people who believe in Eywa. I’ll bet a whole dump load of enviros secretly believe in the Gaia hypothesis. Moonbats.

  • OllieK

    Popes are not screened for their qualifications to hold the office. This guy is obviously a lightweight who comes from a left wing South American environment that influences his worldview. Unfortunately, many centered Roman Catholics will write him off as a kook, diminishing the global respect the Church has enjoyed in recent centuries.

    • THULE_NORD

      If we’re lucky.

    • realclearconservative

      Not screened? What do you think a papal enclave is about, bingo?

    • Katherine McChesney

      There is no global respect for the Roman Catholic church. Millions of it’s members are abandoning it for Protestantism. It is a deadly and corrupt church which is known for it’s genociding of millions of TRUE Christians who refused to bow to the pope. It is also a false religion, engaging in idol worship and pedophilia. It is Satanic to it’s core.

    • Erich

      Steady on, we don’t know what the Holy Spirit has up his sleeve.

    • Mollie Norris

      He was chosen (elected) by Vatican archbishops; he represents a Vatican consensus.

  • phil

    The more we find out, the worse it gets.

  • Mo Ham

    Of corse the “popes” advisor is an atheist. The pope’s a communist. He doesn’t believe in God.

    • libtarded

      To the Socialist/Communist, there can only be one God, and that God is Government.

      • Mollie Norris

        And the global government has the authority to decide who is allowed to live. Freedom of choice isn’t an aspect of this global government; disagreement with global government is death.

  • Pablo Diablo

    What idiots there are in the world….”mankind “perturbs … the global ‘metabolism’” of the planet. Please…who subscribes to this drivel?

    • libtarded

      I wonder if those asteroids and comets hitting the Planet “perturbed the metabolism”… There are some serious delusions going on in society– in the physical and social sciences… it feels like everything is devolving into lunacy.

      • Erich

        As someone who is trying to walk as a Catholic I must say this “line of thought” from the Pope has put me in a bind.

        • libtarded

          I’m not a Catholic, but we are brothers in Christ. Remember all of us are fallible and born into sin, including the Pope. Don’t look to other Christians as the example. Look to Christ.

          • Erich

            lib, with you 100%, it is not Catholic to think the Pope is perfect or to put anything or anybody above Jesus and the Holy Trinity.

          • libtarded

            The sad thing is that the enemies of the light will use every mistake by anyone of the faith in order to discourage others from finding or staying with him.

    • Mollie Norris

      A lot of hubris is required to support that belief.

  • Yodeling Larry

    Fitting that one wacky religion (Gaia) would influence another wacky religion (man made global warming).

  • potvin

    Why am I not surprised?

  • NOYB

    If you read the encyclical, the Pope basically describes Earth as Gaia, “crying out” for help.

  • Yodeling Larry

    Eywa has heard you!!!!! Hahahahaha!!!!

  • ChopperChopChop

    A lot of the things Pope Francis has been saying lately sounds an awful lot like he’s advocating a one-world government. You would think that someone who rose to the position of pope would know enough about the Book of Revelation to know that he shouldn’t be in favor of such things.

    • stevden

      Especially while seated in power in the city early Christians often referred to as
      “Babylon”.

      Seems a catholic leader of the supposed “Bride of Christ” would be very very careful of such things…

      • Katherine McChesney

        “Bride of Christ” is a joke. Roman Catholicism is Babylonian Paganism. Revelation 17 perfectly describes her as the Wh0re of Babylon.

        • tonylion

          Lie down before you hurt yourself.

    • Red47

      His background is in a Liberation Theology version of Catholicism. Therefore, the one-world is the goal.

      • mexiapolis

        “My individual salvation is not going to come about without a collective salvation for the country”

        Comrade Barack Obama

        • Red47

          Not exactly a Biblical view, eh?

      • tonylion

        Pope John Paul II roundly condemned liberation theology which is just socialism masquerading as religious charity. He should know, having survived WWII and decades of Polish communism.
        How times have changed.

        • Red47

          Sadly, this Pope has joined The Enemy. Because Liberation Theology is a lovely bastardization of the Word of God seen through the prism of Marxism, it is really difficult to reconcile it with any religion that is God-based, especially Christianity which is all about self-governance, free will and reliance on God. I am not sure how an actual Pope can miss that. Charitable work is a part of a Christian’s responsibility. It not to be foisted off on governments and called the work of God.

        • Red47

          He seems to be jumping right in with both feet these days. There are many correlations.
          Sorry about this duplicate response. My comment was deleted, so I shortened and reposted.

          “VATICAN CITY (RNS) The revival of liberation theology under Pope Francis is remarkable about-face for a movement that swelled in popularity but was later stamped out by the conservative pontificates of John Paul II and his longtime doctrinal czar, Benedict XVI.” More on Google. He did work against one church leader in Argentina based Francis’ assessment that on the leader’s LT behavior was too ego-centric. Not particularly because of LT.
          Because Liberation Theology is a lovely bastardization of the Word of God seen through the prism of Marxism, it is really difficult to reconcile it with any religion that is God-based, especially
          Christianity which is all about self-governance, free will and reliance
          on God. Charitable work is a part of a Christian’s responsibility. It is not to be foisted off on governments and called the work of God. The NYT has a clarifying article.
          [LINK REMOVED]

    • Katherine McChesney

      He’s a Jesuit and Loyola organized the Society of “Jesus” in order to bring the world under Vatican domination. THEIR Jesus is like the Muslim Jesus…both the anti-Christ.

      • Erich

        As a catechism catholic I’m not thrilled with the jesuits but come on Katherine, really? What’s behind the vitriol?

        • Craig Roberts

          “Blessed are you when people hate you, when they exclude you and insult you and reject your name as evil, because of the Son of Man.”
          Luke 6:22

          • Mollie Norris

            Your comment, Luke 6:22, is exactly why people aren’t supporting Pope Francis; he has much more in common with the Father of Lies than the Son of Man; he couldn’t make this more obvious.

    • rob

      THE POPE IS NOTHING BUT A JOKE !!!
      NEXT WE’LL FIND OUT HE PLAYS WITH LITTLE BOYS !!!

    • jimhalfwit

      There’s no fool like an old fool…..

    • Michelle P

      The media lies. I’m really not sure why intelligent people understand that, yet selectively believe this. Deflection and defamation is quintessential demonic deception. The Gates of Hades will not prevail.

    • The Pope is trying to immanentize the Eschaton. If a one world government brings back Jesus, we should work towards building it. Why would you resist Christ’s return?

      • ChopperChopChop

        I long for Christ’s return. However, the person who ushers in the one-world government will be the False Prophet, who in turn will pave the way for the Anti-Christ. Why would the pope align himself with that side? Why would you?

        • If it brings back Jesus why would you try to sabotage it? What side are you aligning with? If this, this and this have to happen for Jesus to return, why would you say you don’t want it?

          False prophets would be doing whatever they could to keep Jesus away.

          What would serve you better in this situation, blind faith in what you think you know, or a sharp and critical mind?

          • ChopperChopChop

            When it’s going to happen, it’s going to happen. Human beings don’t have the power to start it or prevent it. However, we do have the power to decide for ourselves which side we align with when it goes down. The pope is sounding like he choosing the wrong side. Of course, I could be wrong, and I hope I am.

          • If God has a plan, we don’t really need to worry. You don’t need to align yourself in a battle that is already won.

      • CKAinRedStateUSA

        “If a one world government brings back Jesus”?

        You’ve no idea, do you, of what the Holy Bible says? Nor do you have any relationship with Christ Jesus, do you?

        You have no choice to resist the Second Coming of the Messiah. He will, when He chooses. And, like it or not, you will bow your knee to Him.

        • For one, I was having a conversation with someone else and was using what they said to make a point. A point that, much like reading comprehension, escapes you.

          Secondly, you’re quick judgement of my biblical knowledge and relationship with Jesus, would lead me to believe that even if you were a biblical scholar, you’ve lost meaning or only use it when it suits you as a weapon or a tool for self aggrandizement.

          Your final burst of self righteousness is a perfect example of the false doctrine of America’s warped brand of Christianity. You’re probably one of those ignorant hateful Evangelical idiots.

          Can you imagine Jesus ever starting a conversation like you just did? You’re a phony. A hateful deluded phony at that.

          Now, have a pleasant evening and try to be a better person. You’re embarrassing Jesus.

    • Shrugged

      You don’t get it yet.
      The Catholic church is PART of the One world government

  • Helmut_Schmidt69

    This is utterly Satanic.

  • Bruce Wilson

    So why does the Pope need any advisers? I thought he got all his words from God, and he just relays to man what God has told him?? I is this not true?

    • realclearconservative

      “I thought….”

      It doesn’t appear that way at all.

      • John D

        Maybe YOU should think about his question before popping off.

        • Erich

          There is something to figure out there. I’m a catechism catholic and am not sure what is going on.

    • John D

      And why is his science advisor an atheist? That speaks volumes about this Popes mindset.

    • Mollie Norris

      Jesus Christ said “My kingdom is not of the world”; Pope Francis is instructing Catholics to support an atheitic global totalitarian regime.
      It’s ot true that this teaching comes from God; it came from a P2 Mason.

  • grassy knoll

    The pope is an anti human socialist dope.

  • Yodeling Larry

    Anthropomorphism…it’s not just for grade school anymore. You think he apologizes to a chair after he bumps into it?

  • BoDeen

    The ruling elite all around the world seem to have gotten strikingly ignorant in the past 20 or so years. You could fill an ocean with all the things Obama doesn’t know at least until he reads it in the papers. This pope seems to be cut from the same ignorant cloth.

  • JWRiley2

    We are at the tipping point in our existence. Both physically, emotionally,and spiritually. The Earth is in a balance and that balance is nearing its tipping point. There is more continental land area above the equator than below it. Those who live in the areas near to or below the equator have been migrating north for decades of decades.Those who live north of the equator have been propagating faster and faster. Soon very soon the earth will attempt to naturally equalize its balance and spin.This is why we are having many earthquakes, volcanic eruptions, weather anomalies, and worldwide disease out breaks. Those who are in power politically, economically and spiritually are intuitively aware of this and are battling and aligning for control before it all comes down.

    • Ephesians Sword

      I hope that was sarcasm. If not, you may want to go take a science class or ten!

    • Yodeling Larry

      Eywa has heard you!!!! Hahahahahaha!!!!

    • Erich

      you are delusional, firstly, the “carrying capacity” of the earth is a made-up concept to induce fear and thereby control people, quite brutal and sinister actually…secondly, the birthrates are catastrophically low and declining in china, russia, japan, western europe and north america, yet we are to believe that the earth is hurtling to a made up tipping point…propoganda….the ecological industrial complex (eg. al gore) makes the military industrial complex look like child’s play. This is about powers and principalities, there is such a thing as evil and it cares not how many human lifes is sacrifices at the aletr of greed and “science”

      • Smith and Wesson and Me

        You realise, Riley is one of the top “minds” in the Gaia based warmist religion?

        • Erich

          The same scientists that brought us the made-up fiction of the polar bear plight. If you can’t get the factual results you desire then go for visceral/emotional head-lines to manipulate the masses. Or, cook the books and make up the data you desire, or both.

        • John D

          Well, that explains his confusion.

    • Red47

      Just don’t pack too many people onto one side of the island of Guam. We have been warned about that tipping point.

    • stevden

      If we all move into the western hemisphere, could we possibly slow down the rotation of the planet? That should slow down time enough so i can enjoy my 40’s a little longer before getting into my 50’s.

  • Ellis

    I truly cannot believe that people still listen to the walking, talking anachronism we call The Pope. The 11th century was a long time ago, people. You can still make it to Heaven while actively ignoring *all* organized religions.

    • Smith and Wesson and Me

      Well, you do. And all the leftists with whom Francis has sided in their warmist faith are positively giddy, as you surely are.

    • realclearconservative

      Too many are not cognizant of the difference between being a person of faith and being part of organized religion. At one time I was just as unaware. When a loved one first expressed that concept to me I was terrified that she was being influenced by cult-like forces. Fortunately, that was not the case. One of the most important questions a person can ask is “Why would God require an intermediary?”

      Full disclosure: I consider myself agnostic with Christian-leaning tendencies.

      • Erich

        Catholis believe that there are some bonefied christians outide of catholicism, serious catholics are not into condemnation. However, we do adhere to a “fullness of the faith” which includes the sacraments. For instance, we take Jesus up on his repeatedly imploring us to eat his body, to commune with him physically. This requires waliking by faith and not by sight as the finite human mind struggles with this….. Who are we to ask God why he would require an intermediary. In your post I feel you are referencing a priest as an intermediary, yet God himself sent a human intermediary,Jesus (the living Word) to show us what he meant and how to live. As catholics we believe he ordained holy orders in the same way to help guide us.

    • John D

      Thomas Paine said in “Age of Reason” that religions were all about controlling how people think. I believe he was correct.

      • stevden

        Well why stop at “religions”. Pretty much any human organization larger than a PTA is going to try and manipulate and control how people think…
        Ah..just got an update that the PTA’s also fall into that category….oh well…

  • Lacktone

    I thought Atheists had no belief. Isn’t that the definition? God may exist but they just don’t care one way or the other? I think it’s a good thing, religion and science rarely mix. Because science is more rational.

    • stevden

      Atheists are actually obsessives. They are more obsessed with religion than anyone.

      And when they obtain power, they have demonstrated themselves again and again to be more murderous and bloodthirsty than any religion ever was…EVER.
      In just a few decades Atheists managed to murder, enslave, massacre, purposefully starve, and purposefully impoverish more millions upon millions of people than any religion could have ever come close to doing.

      • Reginald Thornton

        Atheists believe there can be only one religion, that of big government.

      • John D

        Some famous atheists:
        Lenin
        Marx
        Stalin
        Hitler
        Mao
        Papa Doc
        Khrushchev
        Trotsky
        A more despicable list of people doesn’t exist. I wonder if modern day atheists admire their predecessors.

    • Red47

      “God may exist but they just don’t care one way or the other?” That’s an agnostic. The atheists don’t believe in God or gods. Many of the really nasty ones give the pleasant ones a bad reputation.

    • stevden

      “…religion and science rarely mix…”

      Except of course when Christians fund and build the most prestigious Universities and colleges in the world..to advance science and learning…
      Oh and except of course when Christians fund and build the most prestigious sought after Hospitals and medical centers in the world. Places that advance the sciences and learning like no other…

      I just wonder how many prestigious Universities, colleges, medical centers, and hospitals that the Atheists have funded and built??(with their own money…not someone Else’s money)

  • Reginald Thornton

    How is the Pope not of the same plant variety as the US king? And I do mean “plant” as in planted.

    • One publicly wears a dress and the other doesn’t. That’s the only difference between the two.

  • Reginald Thornton

    This is great news! So, when do we open negotiations with Mother Earth?

    • Smith and Wesson and Me

      I believe you meant…the Prince of Darkness.

      • Kenneth Aldrich

        They already started.

  • Christene Bartels

    Out of the 40,500 words in the Pope’s encyclical, “warming” appears 9 times and “climate change” 12. I know making his encyclical all about global warming makes for great sound bites and snazzy headlines but how about if everyone tries actually reading the document!

    I know. Crazy thought. We would hate to actually know what we are talking about.

    • Red47

      This is the issue in the encyclical that I care about because his ignorance has ramifications for the rest of us. His work otherwise means little to people like me. I am a Christian, but cannot possibly take seriously a religious leader who teaches Liberation Theology.

      • Christene Bartels

        Do you even know what Liberation Theology is?

        • Red47

          Yes. Thanks for the snark.

          • Christene Bartels

            It was an honest question. If you know then please give me examples of the Pope teaching it.

          • Katherine McChesney

            Jesuits organized Liberation Theology. Jorge pushes it as well as the OTHER false religions…globull warming and pagan Roman Catholicism.

          • Christene Bartels

            And there it is. Just another anti-Catholic bigot trying to cloak his animosity in intellectual fluff.

          • Katherine McChesney

            I read a book published and written by a Jesuits. I got my information honestly you moronic twit. That the problem with you pagan Roman Catholics. You know NOTHING about your church’s deadly history. That makes you ignorant and uninformed. Keep burying your head in the sand. You aren’t Christian and you have absolutely NO idea of what it means to be a Christian. You probably support the huge numbers of pedophile priests as well, I’d imagine.

          • Erich

            Lots of anger there, I hope you can get rid of it. I know this is going to sound patronizing, but it is not. I am going to start praying for you Katherine.

          • Red47

            “I read a book…” smh

          • Aloha12

            You’re from the Westboro Baptist church right? Your tone indicates a lack of any Christian charity and more reflects the workings of the flesh.

          • Katherine McChesney

            And there you are. A brain-washed moron who actually believes that praying to saints is Christian.

          • Erich

            Catholics pray/talk/converse with Saints asking them to pray for us (carry our petitions) to Jesus Christ. This is based upon Jesus kind of relectantly “doing” his mother’s (St. Mary) will at the wedding feast. Jesus implied that it wasn’t quite his time yet, he turned the water into wine at his mother’s behest. Catholics do the same thing. Under no circumstances do we pray to any one other than our lord and savior Jesus Christ/Holy Trinity.

          • Katherine McChesney

            Talking to dead people is a waste of time. They cannot intervene for you. They’re dead you moron. Your religion is laughable. It’s also deadly. It’s also filled with perverts…homosexuals and pedophiles.

          • Erich

            We believe there is life after death. Further, we believe that we have control over the manner of that life (basically in God’s presence v. excluded from God’s presence),eg. science says energy can not be destroyed only change forms. Yes, we have a devasating and excruciating and sick chapter in our history as regards priests abuse of children. However, we are attemting to get through it. We are ashamed as a whole. Also, the wast majority (over99%) of priests and religious are not in this category contrary to the media’s deliberate distortion and continued obssession.

          • Red47

            There is a lot going on in the realm of the supernatural. I wouldn’t claim to have any kind of corner on how that all works if I were you. We are to pray to Christ for intercession. We are called to be like Christ. Why can we not intercede in the afterlife?

          • Red47

            Here is her reply to me

            “Katherine McChesney Because we’re DEAD you moron. 2:37 p.m., Wednesday June 24”

            Bless your heart. Christ works in the spiritual realm. the entire purpose of God’s sending his Perfect Sacrifice is so that we can dwell in the spiritual realm. Do you seriously, and with a straight face, claim that there is no activity there? Where does Satan operate?

            Now let’s break this down. The Pope makes a policy-type statement that outlines actions that affect us all. I hold that he is incorrect in his assertions and KM does also. We agree. However, despite people on this page trying gently and very directly to make her understand she is not reacting proportionately to the situation, KM is compelled to spew venom like drunken harridan. Why? We don’t know. She may be paid to make Christians look vicious?

          • MickDavid

            You are right but… with your attitude you will not convince anyone of anything. A more reasoned approach perhaps. Then again, do as you will.

          • Erich

            Why so harsh towards Catholics?

          • Katherine McChesney

            Truth hurts, doesn’t it?

          • Erich

            You lost me.

          • Red47

            …and here’s another one.

          • Red47

            Because of the way your question was written, it is not an “honest” question. Neither is this follow-up. You have an agenda and a group of beliefs. You are welcome to them.
            I answered the question about your frustration with the climate issue being the focus of discussion because of its impact on the rest of us. I don’t see how you trying to trap me into some annoying disqus discussion on the merits of the pope’s theology is going to serve me. The answer to your question lies in the work prior to becoming Pope, and indeed, in the global warming portion of this encyclical. Ignorance and earth-worship verbiage are both present…”perturbing the metabolism” .

          • Christene Bartels

            If suggesting people read the encyclical constitutes an “agenda” then we all are in a world of hurt.

          • Red47

            By this comment, I see that I misjudged. With the continued trend of your questions, that I have been rudely assuming you were snide. I apologize.

          • Christene Bartels

            Apology accepted. Carry on and have a blessed day! :).

          • Erich

            I tend to agree with your earlier assessment re: Christene

          • Red47

            I’m giving her room. She is possibly a result of anti-intellectualism. 🙂
            Either she is a shrieking Lib trying to stir up useless argument, or she is a regular gal who hasn’t caught on. I went with the first because I see them most often and am done with the ignorance that passes for debate with them. I would like to think there are some sincere people out there who really are just looking for answers and don’t quite get how to ask. It makes me feel better about our society as a whole.
            “If suggesting people read the encyclical constitutes an “agenda” then we all are in a world of hurt. ” told me she was in the low-info category because that was not even close to what I said, or inferred.

          • Erich

            In my opinion they have damn-near bludgeoned us to death with that approach. I feel we must cooly and calmly get in the mud and roll around.

          • Red47

            It does sound fun.

          • Erich

            Ha Ha ha, you are too much. Have agreat day, good to know you’re out there somewhere Red.

          • Red47

            Have more fun than a barrel of these :-(l)

          • MickDavid

            I think it’s probably simpler than that. She simply doesn’t know when she has lost the argument and refuses to shut up – giving veracity to the old bromide ‘it’s better to say nothing and be thought stupid than to open your mouth and remove all doubt’.

          • Red47

            That’s pretty much what I didn’t say with what I said. 🙂

          • Erich

            In future, you can not cave when someone such as Christene is trying to shut you down. Indeed, she is the ignorant one and has the temerity to try to turn the tables on others with true understanding and of good-will such as yourself. We Catholics (catechism catholics) have to find our voice and defend the Truth. I think you interpretation is spot-on.

          • Red47

            She bored me, to be frank. She showed far too little intellectual acuity. I have been brawling with low-info idiots like her online since 2006. I do go in when I feel like scrapping, but today I am feeling laconic. She is too obviously wrong. Which premise do you debate? She brought up the questions of my knowledge of LT and the Pope’s words as if she had any. If she had any knowledge, would she not have phrased it differently? She is just stupid.

          • Erich

            It calls for world govering authority. What’s you interpretation of that?

          • Erich

            According to George Weigel, liberation theology was invented by the KGB to combat the Catholic church (and maybe explicitly the charisma of JPII), they presented the idea that the way to serve our Lord Jesus Christ was to “become equal with everyone else (this is a paraphrase not a quote,.” thereby undermining the concepts of free-will and self-determination so central to the core beliefs (and doctrine) of Catholics. Pope Francis has been careless in his phrasing and/or mis-presented in his thoughts by the media. His repeated condemnation of free-market capitalism are examples.

          • Red47

            What a lovely and perfect description.

          • Erich

            It’s difficult. I’m trying to remain obedient and humble, but I am torn, definately torn. The Pope (Vicar of Christ) is not infallible on topics such as these (especially in encylicals), if indeed it is a mistake. I have considered that it could be a deliberate misleading which, frankly, I don’t know how to process.

          • Red47

            You know, I firmly believe the Pope is sincere in his beliefs. I don’t question that he would deliberately mislead because he is an ideologue. He has to be or he would not have been supported as Pope. He never would have gotten the position. He views it as leading to the correct place. It’s how all of us are, sort of. 🙂

          • Erich

            Ok, that helps. Now to the practical matter of having to talk down (or maybe even disavow!) an encyclical on the heels of personally trumpeting everything JPII put down on paper. I can split the hair but what about those we are trying to re-evangelize?

          • Red47

            To be clear, I am not Catholic, so I will not presume to tell you how to be. From my experience, the church loses people when the focus is no longer on God. My church marched away from centuries of tradition and sold theology into the fine ether of social causes in the name of God. Messy business. It is the same thing as the Pope is doing with his Climate Change nonsense. I do not have any idea how to walk that line. One does ask for an answer to this question, if a person is 10% in line with whatever we want them to agree with, how can we process that 10% in light of the other 90%? I don’t know and it depends. 🙂 So there we are back to the beginning. I do know we are called to not escalate division, but always seek reconciliation among the believers and our God, and to find our commonalities. (Clumsy sentence, am in a rush.) Those who would be reconciled to Catholicism? We can only pray that they find their way to God. To a Catholic, I realize that can mean there is no way other than the Church. As an Anabaptist, I hold that the way is exclusively through Christ however that manifests. So I am of no help. 🙂

          • Christene Bartels

            Specifically in relation to this encyclical.

          • Red47

            In this encyclical, he talks about climate change as if it were man-made and as though humans could control it. The only solution is for a governing body to fix it. That fix distributes the wealth of organized nations to the chaotic ones in the name of parity and a form of restitution assuming guilt on the part of the developed countries for daring to develop. IF you know anything about those who are pushing this man-made climate change and the Liberation Theology’s roots in Marxism, you will understand how this works and not have to ask the question. If you do not know, look it up from several sources that you trust and don’t rely on commenters in a web thread.

          • RON

            She is too liberal to understand that this Pope is beyond hope.

          • John D

            “do you even know what Liberation Theology is” ?
            And this from the woman that said she never called anyone ignorant ! Pretty sad. I think Christine is having a melt down.

          • Red47

            🙂 The evidence is all there for everyone to see.

      • Red47

        Here’s what is being moderated and to what I replied. Shame on whoever flagged it. It was an honest opinion. The rest of her stuff is what it is.

        ” Out of the 40,500 words in the Pope’s encyclical, “warming” appears 9
        times and “climate change” 12. I know making his encyclical all about
        global warming makes for great sound bites and snazzy headlines but how
        about if everyone tries actually reading the document!

        I know. Crazy thought. We would hate to actually know what we are talking about.”

    • stevden

      Wow, it appears that much? Strange that he would devote so much time to a wacky theory pushed by con men and Atheists.

      • Christene Bartels

        Ignorance may be bliss but it doesn’t make for terribly intelligent commentary.

        • stevden

          Sorry, but Catholic Popes do not have a very good track record when it comes to sticking their noses in Scientific debates and theories. In fact, history has proven that it is probably wisest to extoll the exact opposite position expounded by a Catholic Pope in regard to science and Nature.
          You follow your Pope if you want.

        • John D

          Sorry Christine, but I have yet to see anything approaching intelligent commentary from you.
          You claim you didn’t call anyone ignorant. OK, but a few minutes later, someone that disagrees with you is called insincere, sanctimonious and pompous. And then you imply “Stevden” is ignorant.
          Wise up lady. No one here is buying your arguments.

          • Christene Bartels

            I simply suggested that people read the encyclical. From that rather benign suggestion I have been called a moron, unintelligent, a catholic in name only, a pagan, who follows a communist, Marxist, evil, false prophet, satan worshipping anti-Christ.

            I’m so impressed by the charity and respect shown by all of you devout, “true” Christians. I wish you all the best in your individual faith journeys. Peace.

          • Screwtape’s Nemesis

            Christene, did you read all 40,500 words?

          • Christene Bartels

            Yes I did. And I’m going to read it again. And maybe a third, fourth and fifth time. I think it is beautiful and I actually think I have much to learn about living out my faith in Jesus in this insane, narcissistic world we live in.

          • Screwtape’s Nemesis

            Okay, that’s good. I’ll admit that I haven’t. Now, you could do us all a service (and I’m a devout Catholic) if, instead of getting emotional, you logically explain what the pope’s main theses are. I realize that the media routinely misrepresent what he says, so some honest reporting would be beneficial.

          • Erich

            Classic passive agressive. First, you imply that no one has read the document (except you). Then Red47 dismantles you up and down. Then you call everyone else ignorant. Now you claim your the level-headed voice of reason and just can’t find anybody else to converse with. Oh, and now your feelings are hurt. It’s people like you who do the real damage in life.

          • Screwtape’s Nemesis

            In all fairness, hardly anyone has read the document (including me). I think we (that includes Christene) would be better off if Christene tried to outline what it actually says, as opposed to just impugning each other.

          • Christene Bartels

            Don’t flatter yourself, my feelings are just fine. I was just making an observation. I also am not easily intimidated or insulted. Oh, and I also don’t back down and I have a terrible propensity to always get in the last word. So you thrust and I will parry.

          • cmdprompt

            He presented a logical argument, you answered with emotion. Sorry, this chess match is over and you didn’t win. Do not pass go. Do not collect $500.

          • Red47

            You have a gift for being succinct! 🙂

    • Guest

      40,500 words is ridiculous for an encyclical. Your logic is also ridiculous. Consider this – what if he would have said, “abortion is good” 1 time? That would mean that 3 words out of 40,500 were both contrary to reason and evil.

      The Pope’s mentioning of “global warming” and “climate change” 12 times is contrary to reason and evil due to the clear communist influence.

      I know, crazy thought. We would hate to actually think logically.

      • Christene Bartels

        Well he didn’t so your comment is ridiculous. Just read the document. You will be surprised at what it actually sat….oops….says.

        • Guest

          I’ve read it. Air conditioning and abortion are condemned, but a global political authority is promoted. That is precisely what the author of the above article is mentioning – the global political authority promoted by a pope, and such a global political authority that would be anti-Catholic.

          This is what was called “Vatican II strategy” by Cardinal Kasper recently. You mix in a lot of evil with a little bit of good. I understand your fervor in defending the pope.

          However, this document is so subtly anti-Catholic and anti-freedom that it must be spoken against, especially by faithful Catholics.

          • Erich

            Guest, excellently sounded out reasoning. I concur totally. Unfortunately, Christene (after accusing everyone else as ignorant) has little to offer comments such as yours. Therefore, guessing she is a CINO (catholic in name only).

          • Red47

            I’ll just come out and say it. She isn’t too bright whatever her motivation. 🙂
            Oh look at the reply above in the thread, I was right, she is a stirrer of stuff.

          • Christene Bartels

            Oh, so I see you not only insincere but sanctimonious and pompous as well! Quite the combo.

          • Erich

            “Ignornace may be bliss…”

          • Christene Bartels

            I’ll assume you are speaking from experience.

          • Erich

            and there we are….

          • Red47

            What I am about to say is extremely tactless, so buckle up.
            I was quite sincere. You are probably a generally nice-enough soul who might be looking for Truth. This is why I didn’t get into it with you.
            I gave you the benefit of the doubt until I read more of your comments. Why would I continue to discuss things with you? You don’t want to consider other views, you want to insist. I was right in my initial assessment.

            Your ignorance is not astounding, but just the ignorance of a regular gal. I am only sanctimonious and pompous to you because you have difficulty understanding what I am saying.I know you don’t even understand that concept or you would not have called me those two “names”. In general, you represent the emotive, I prefer to debate logic. Now you can say whatever you like about me because we don’t know each other and this is anonymous. Be emotive. It makes you feel better.

          • Erich

            You are very charitable and I admire that, however, remember we are called to be defenders of the Truth. They have mis-interpretted our charity as weakess and use our struggle for humility (and our guilt) against us…hence, your knee-jerk apology (in my opinion).

          • Christene Bartels

            Where did I accuse anyone of being ignorant?? And thank you so much for impugning both my integrity and the sincerity of my faith. Nice.

          • Erich

            “Ignorance is bliss…”

          • Christene Bartels

            You have got to be kidding me. You read the encyclical and that is what you got out of it?

        • RON

          When you have a predetermined answer, you get predetermined results. This Pope is the False Prophet. An evil man.

  • JB

    Does anyone else find it bizarre that adherents to climate change assertions never debate the climate change deniers? If it’s so important and the evidence is so convincing, why haven’t they thoroughly dispatched the opposition?

    • JB

      Where is Al Gore? Doesn’t he have the time to debate, say, John Stossel?

      • Mollie Norris

        The fact that Gore bought 20 oil drilling rigs in the Gulf of Mexico after villifying fossil fuels doesn’t seem to be a problem to supporters of AGW theology.

    • seanster5977

      Burn them at the stake!!!

      Heretics all of them I tell you!!!!

      Oh, and “the world is flat” was their last attempt to be scientists in the Catholic Church

      • Screwtape’s Nemesis

        Actually, no, it wasn’t. The Church has advanced science throughout the ages. And this comes from someone who disagrees with the pope (on the issue in question here) profoundly.

        • seanster5977

          I tend to disagree. But that is an opinion.

          • Screwtape’s Nemesis

            Not at all. Facts and opinions are very different things.

          • seanster5977

            IN a scientific field by professional, so I understand facts. I don’t know of one advancement due to science from the Catholic church, but I do know of a lot of backward thought for modern thinkers from the church.

          • Screwtape’s Nemesis

            Then I guess you never heard of Gregor Mendel and the science of genetics.

          • planet8788

            His work was sanctioned by the church? Or was he just a Catholic individual? sort of like Galileo and many others.

          • Screwtape’s Nemesis

            He was a Catholic friar — a member of a Catholic religious order — so he was strongly subject to Catholic Church discipline.

            The Church has often supported scientists, including when it protected the astronomer Copernicus — who proposed heliocentrism BEFORE Galileo — from the Calvinists.

          • Erich

            ooops

          • Erich

            seanster is thinking…

          • Screwtape’s Nemesis

            He is…about what I have no idea.

    • Freeland_Dave

      The reason is because their data is flawed and they know it. If you have an honest debate that would come out and they would loose the argument. They can’t debate it for fear they will be exposed for the liars they are. That would cost them their grant money and thus their jobs, not to mention the corrupt politicians who would loose power when their minions exposed them by admitting they were bribed to tow the PC party-line politics that are making tons of money on this fear mongering at the total expense of the American Citizens they are robbing.

    • John D

      Because the GW believers are telling a huge lie and they are fearful of being further exposed.

      • Mollie Norris

        Their only option is character assassination of opponents to discredit the science they support – there’s no debate based on truth.

    • cmdprompt

      Because AGW is a religion, and its adherents are more zealous and ardent than the members of ISIS. Interestingly enough, the author of this story actually named the god of the AGW religion, which is a rarity. Gaia.

    • Well said. Science should stand on its own.

  • jakespoon

    False prophet.

    • Katherine McChesney

      It certainly makes sense. After all, Roman Catholicism is Babylonian paganism. And Jorge is a Jesuit Marxist Mithraist.
      What they peddle is the THIRD false religion.

      • Erich

        I don’t follow. How are Roman Catholics Babalonian Pagans?

        • RON

          Not the members, so to speak, but the hierarchy. Any false religion is deemed to be MYSTERY BABYLON.

          • Erich

            Right. Jesus Christ walked around on planet earth 2,000-some odd years ago, said,”…you are rock and on this rock I will build my church” (amongst other relevant things) and that is MYSTERY BABALON, got it.

          • cmdprompt

            And yet, it wasn’t Peter, but rather Paul that had the most influence (doctrinedirection) on the first churches… Makes you wonder if Jesus was talking about Peter or himself…

            And where in the Bible does it describe a perpetual line of “vicars of Christ” through the ages that are to run the “church”? It doesn’t. The papacy is a construct of man, not God. The New Testament is about the individual and about the LOCAL church, not some state or global construct. The Catholic hierarchy is a construct of man to control other men. What this pope is doing is the result of a group of people putting a (fallible) man up on a pedestal instead of Christ.

            Just my humble and respectful opinion. I’ve nothing against Catholics. Some of my closest friends are Catholic and while amazingly uninformed spiritually, they are good people.

          • Erich

            cmd, I wish you the best

          • cmdprompt

            Erich, I wish you the best too.

          • RON

            You misunderstood my reply, I think. MYSTERY BABYLON is False Religion. The Harlot is judged in Rev. chapter 17. The Kings in league with the Ant-Christ kill her off.
            Do you think al the murders and the torture of people by the RCC was of Christ Jesus ?
            Rome is the seat of the Harlot, chapter 17 clearly says this, THE CITY ON 7 MOUNTAINS.

    • mames

      Anti Christian monster

      • RON

        Why is he Anti-Christian ? The Bible says the Beast that arises from the earth ( False Prophet ) had two horns like a LAMB but spoke like a DRAGON, this means he will come out of Christendom if I am reading it right. The Anti-Christ arises out of Greece.

        • planet8788

          I would keep an open mind.

          • RON

            A open mind to what ? I will explain why Greece. But first, I was shown a vision by God in 1986, I was running with 2 kids, I hid behind a bush, and God spoke loudly, saying “The Man of Sin is Here”. That was 29 years ago. As if to reaffirm that vision, I was shown Jimmy Swaggert preaching in a huge auditorium to like maybe 9 people, within two weeks he had fallen from Grace. ( God was reaffirming His vision to me, imho. )

            Now, concerning Greece, the Holy Spirit revealed to me through study the “BOUND UP TILL HE END” prophecies of Daniel. A RIDDLE.

            Daniel 7 says the Little Horn/Anti-Christ arises out of the FOURTH BEAST/Revived Roman Empire/European Union. ( Those who think this discount Daniel chapter 8 as being about Antiochus )

            Daniel chapter 8 was revealed o Daniel by Gabriel. He told Daniel that the Little Horn/A.C. would come out of one of the FOUR GENERALS Kingdom that took over for Alexander the Great… In the LATTER TIME ( not Antiochus ) a King with a FIERCE look ….. Well lets just paste it my friend. THE RIDDLE IS COMING TRUST ME !!!!

            Daniel 8:

            23 And in the LATTER TIME of THEIR KINGDOM, when the TANSGRESSORS are come to the FULL, a king of FIERCE countenance, and understanding DARK ( Riddles ) sentences, shall stand up.

            24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his OWN POWER: and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.

            25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall MAGNIFY HIMSELF in his heart, and by PEACE shall DESTROY MANY: he shall also stand up against the Prince (Jesus) of princes; but he shall be broken without hand. (((Jesus destroys him with His word and by the Brightness of His coming. )))
            Daniel chapter 8 is the BEAST ALSO, just like Daniel Chapter 7 is about the BEAST…….So what gives ? THE BEAST ARISES OUT OF TWO KINGDOMS………BOOM.
            Greece was ruled by Cassander, one of Alexander’s Four Generals. Greece is in the European Union. RIDDLE SOLVED.
            The Anti-Christ arises out of Greece, which is in the European Union.
            He has been in the world for at least 29 years. He is 40. He was born on the 9th of AV.

  • Don

    Politicizing and weaponizing the Office of the Pope…this is progress…right?
    Everything is cyclical…there was religious support for the Nazis some time ago…another cycle now…religious support for the worlds immature and unschooled masses. I don’t think this cycle is working for Jesus either. Shame shame. What can the world do to be forgiven?

  • Guest

    This explains why the encyclical speaks of the “cry of the earth.” Hippie.

  • Bob

    Perhaps the Pope does not believe in a Sovereign God, who the Bible says is control of everything. Including the climate

  • richard boyden

    The Pope is a direct representative of Satan so no surprise his advisers spiritually are likewise inspired from the throne of Hell…say Anti-Christ…and heading for the Lake of Fire!

  • JB

    Electric cars should solve the problem, right? Or, is it going to take population reduction?

    • Smith and Wesson and Me

      The leftist solution to creating Utopia: bullets and bulldozers.

    • stevden

      Ha Ha!! I’ve got a left-winger i work with was spouting of about “Electric Cars” and how “clean” they were to the environment. Blew his mind when I informed him that he was actually driving a “Coal Powered” car. Lefties never think around the curve. Their minds simply cannot make it around a thought curve.

      • cmdprompt

        I suggest you DON’T talk to him about the production of Lithium-Ion batteries… he would stroke out.

  • aPEON

    ” Given this, how likely is it that the Holy Father was fully aware of the views of the chief scientist who advised him?”————How Likely—-Very Very—–You cannot get him off this Hook with the claim of “Gee, I didn’t know that…………”

    • MickDavid

      Wait, he’s infallible!

      • Erich

        Mick, wake up and smell the coffee. Infallible on teachings of faith and morals only. So-called climate science and carrying capacity of the earth…not so much. I will give you this, however, he has certainly caused more confusion.

    • Screwtape’s Nemesis

      Actually, it’s very possible he doesn’t know. The pope is like the president, in that he delegates a lot of responsibility. This doesn’t mean he shouldn’t be held responsible — the buck stops with him — but there is a difference between a mistake of commission and a mistake of omission.

  • mames

    The Pope believes in a Christ of roman invention not the Christ of scripture. In addition he is a Marxist ala Argentina and therefore an advocate of central power. He is an enemy of all men

  • GivesIt Thought

    Wow. This is a low-intelligence website and audience, for sure.

    • Then what are you doing here, super genius?

    • Smith and Wesson and Me

      By all means, refute the points made here, as a real scientist would. Didn’t think so.

  • Movie Blue Diving Suit

    The Pope is an anti-Christ.

  • zonable

    All men are fallible. The current pope is no exception. As a Catholic, I, for one, find this one’s political positions abhorrent and totally contradictory to the Word of God. I also find those who continue to rain down epithets pitting one denomination against the other to be just as abhorrent. There are many infiltrators in “The Church”, all denominations being afflicted to some degree. We have had to deal with these types of folks before. They come and go like the seasons, but God knows who, and what, they are. We who know the truth will endure, per the usual.

    • stevden

      All denominations of Christians indeed have their share of hypocrites, posers, and deceivers. however no other denomination holds the power, and influence of the Roman Catholic Church. Catholics must be responsible with that power and hold their leaders responsible accordingly.

      All the time and constantly we all see example of Southern Baptists removing Ministers who are hypocrites and turn out to be deceivers. Or at worst they require public repentance from them. Other Christian denominations do it all the time. it must be done. Corrections must take place. Deceivers removed. Very seldom do we see examples of this from Catholicism or the other Ecumenical/Liturgical denominations. Hold your leaders accountable and you will get less criticism.

      • Screwtape’s Nemesis

        Laymen don’t have the power to remove officers of the Church. Having said that, they are removed from time to time, by the Church, and usually for good reason.

      • zonable

        You just couldn’t get through the day without taking a swipe, could you? Let me say this about your comment and then I’ll give it a rest: You apparently have an axe to grind due to what you’ve been taught by your denomination, which I assume to be Evangelical in nature. I get that, and I’ve heard it, too, many times, because I’ve been to just about every Christian church of every type. If you really think your denomination is as perfect as you believe it is, and is without any blemish, you’re a fool. Just sit down and take a real serious look at some of those money-grubbing, “name it and claim it”, phony-baloney, so-called righteous souls over on the Trinity Broadcast Network, and then and get back to me with your take on their luxurious lifestyles and where all the money they’re grabbing from those folks that follow them is really going. That’s not Jesus-like. Think twice before you cast your stone, my friend, because temptation, greed, and evil permeate this world. It’s everywhere. It infects everything. It’s Scriptural and by design, and comes to you courtesy of “the fall of man.” You need to rethink things. Just my opinion, of course. Have a good day.

        • Mollie Norris

          Human weakness is a strawman to misdirect attention from the Catholic Curch’s policy of advocating lack of responsibility and coverups of serious criminal behavior. A friend, a former Franciscan, barely avoided involuntary incarceration in a mental facility by the Catholic church when he reported the repeated rape of a St Anthony’s student over a decade before this bacame public. Concealing and enabling evil is very different from accepting human frailty.

          • zonable

            And, as you say, the Jesuits conspired to sink the Titanic. Uh-huh.

          • Mollie Norris

            There are many books that include the intentional sabotage by the captain, a member of a Jesuit lay organization, including the otherwise unexplained departures from established practices, the unexplained order for Ireland’s highest-ranking Jesuit to get off the ship, and the world’s most experienced captain, a JP Morgan employee, with 26 years experience piloting ships through icebergs, steering directly into an iceberg on a clear moonlit night after ignoring communications from nearby ships. It was also an insurance scam; the ship was a sister ship of the Titanic that had been in a collision caused by its captain, and its hull was weakened. Renaming it allowed an insurance claim to be filed, and the original name is now visible under the bolted-on letters spelling Titanic that covered the painted name on the hull.
            The choice of ignorance of facts in favor of deception that’s more acceptable is a means of supporting deception.

    • Red47

      Yep. You are 100% correct. No denomination seems to be immune.

  • Guest

    Is there any connection between Schellnhuber and homosexuality? Just curious. The Vatican has been known to be infiltrated by such backward individuals.

  • MarkJ

    Oh, just what we need: a paranoid German atheist in a position of power and influence.

    Guys like him held sway in Europe in the 30’s and 40’s and, as I recall, things got a bit nasty……

  • Doc Lemm

    The Pope doesn’t believe in God either, he believes in the power of his personality/image to control the largest personality death cult in the world.

  • Betsy Smith

    The Pope should spend more time reading the Bible and asking God to help him understand it

    • mikifenn

      From some of the things the Pope has said, I don’t think he reads the Bible at all.

  • liberalsodomy

    This marxist “pope” is The False Prophet

  • zooks11

    As many of us have been saying, the Global Warming, Global Climate Change, movement is a religion. How much proof does the manipulated dumbed down people of planet Earth need? Talk about science deniers. Liberation Theology is dangerous, he isn’t going to help the worlds poor, this man is on a fast track to create more. The elite on their soap boxes sound nuttier every year that goes by. This Pope was screened as little as Obama, the Divider in Chief of the USA was. These people are afraid of truth, so insanity is the guiding light for the obsessive masses that follow like the Pied Piper. It is a club, and they refuse to debate anyone not in it. There is way too much information out there providing contrary evidence to the claims made on papers written about this subject, not to mention the deceit that’s been uncovered regarding the numbers and percentages and methods along with flat out lies. May the true God help us.

  • Freeland_Dave

    King Saul consults with a witch to conger up an image of the Prophet Samuel. It didn’t turn out well for Saul.
    King Herod allowed other religions to infiltrate the Temple of God in Jerusalem. It didn’t turn out well for Herod.

    So the Pope, Emissary of God according to Catholicism, consults with a pagan regarding science and the Earth that God created. No problem, everything will turn out well. NOT! Ye shall know them by the fruits they produce. Was that den of thieves or was it den of vipers Christ was speaking of when he was addressing the Priests and Pharisees who headed the church when he walked among us? Apparently things haven’t changed much when it comes to the church’s leadership.

    Just saying.

  • Kenneth Aldrich

    Pope Francis will soon be crowned Supreme Religious Leader of the soon to be formed One World Government. This pope will be the last. He is under Demonic influence and will lead the soon to be World’s state sponsored satanic church based on the worship of Mother Earth / Pantheism. Fear not says scripture, but rejoice, as the time is near for His return.

    • Afterheart

      Yes, and be prepared by repenting and submitting your life to the Lord Jesus the Christ before time is up!

  • gio6666

    Next thing you we will find out that this Pope is a communist and an atheist.

    • Danceswithdachshunds

      … is a communist and an atheist.

      That’s redundant. While it is true that not all atheists are commies – all commies are atheists.

    • MickDavid

      We already know he is a Marxist.

  • jimbino

    Nonsense. Scientists don’t believe in “gaia” any more than they believe in gravity. Scientists don’t believe in belief, which is the province of the religious and superstitious. Scientists will say, “evidence shows that gravity exists.” They almost all would say, “there is no evidence that god exists.”

    • planet8788

      And they should all say, there is very poor real evidence for AGW, apart from the Mann-made or mann-warped hockey stick.

  • David Love

    Keep an eye on this pope. I do believe Revelation has a bit about keeping an eye on the Pope for signs. This one seems to think God can’t provide the atmosphere we need to survive. I could understand it if we all drew pentagrams around our factories and tried to change the weather in defiance of HIM, but that isn’t happening.

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    • Erich

      In my opinion, although your intent well-intentioned, to edit and censor peoples thoughts only works to trucate the conversation. We need this dialogue to help enlighten.

    • HoobieSlaw

      “demeaning of the faith traditions of others.” ridiculous ideas deserve ridicule. I respect people not beliefs.

      • Erich

        Hoobie, how do you feel about gravity?

        • HoobieSlaw

          The natural phenomenon Einstein described as as a consequence of the curvature of space time caused by the uneven distribution of mass/energy in his general theory of relativity…. Or the 2013 box office hit staring Sandra Bullock and George Clooney?

          • Erich

            the belief

          • HoobieSlaw

            Yes, I get that you are trying to be clever. However, a belief is merely accepting a concept as the truth regardless of evidence or any form of support. Gravity is a scientific theory an idea or set of ideas that is intended to explain FACTS or events. I don’t need to have “belief” in gravity because there is evidence for it. If you have some point to make then make it. But, lets try and make it an intelligent one.

          • Erich

            Using your own words to define your beliefs is not being clever, it’s being accurate.

          • HoobieSlaw

            Are you going to get around to trying to make your point or just wax poetically all day?

    • The Boogeyman

      Censoring offensive words is acceptable. Censoring ideas that contradict your own beliefs is evil. Do not be evil.

      • Erich

        Relax Boog, evil is a bit strong.

        • The Boogeyman

          I’m speaking in the Catholic Church’s own language. Personally, I’m an atheist libertarian. But if true evil exists, this Global Warming Hoax, and all the censorship of true science it involves, is the epitome of “evil.”

          • Erich

            You sound like a good Catholic brother (I think we both know true evil exists which puts you closer to my camp then atheism).

          • Marie-Claude Blais

            how dare you refer to man made by fossil fuel burning a hoax …soon people like you will be called terrorirst for endangering everybody with the lies they spread.

          • The Boogeyman

            That’s how you Central Planning statists usually get your way – jail your opposition. Right out of Alinsky’s playbook. But in the future, it’s more likely that people like YOU will be jailed for fraud in perpetrating the myth of AGW. We’re writing down your names.

          • Marie-Claude Blais

            Listen to what 99 percent of climate scientists….r saying….stop diverting the issue.

          • The Boogeyman

            The computer models you base this theory on are wrong. NONE of their predictions have occurred.

          • Marie-Claude Blais

            never ind the computer models bs diversion…the science is clear…we are creating devastating climate change caused by fossil suel burning..it is happening…it is real…undeniable…and we must act NOW!

          • The Boogeyman

            So when is the world going to end?

        • The Boogeyman

          I’ll tell you another thing, buddy. The AGW Scam is evil not only because it is scientifically wrong, but because it is self-destructive to the people and organizations that support it. Self destruction is suicide, which is condemned by the Catholic Church.

  • Ghostrider127

    Don’t be surprised if they start calling for this Pope’s ouster here soon!

  • MickDavid

    This is perfect! The infallible direct descendant of Peter (the first Pope – not) issues an encyclical embracing Gaia, with input from his atheist guru. All Catholics should be ready to rethink their priorities and take a second look at the Reformation. The only thing missing from all this is the selling of indulgences! Ask yourself, wwjd?

    • Machismo

      No wonder people are leaving the Catholic Church in the largest numbers in history. They are losing thousands each day. The Pope at one point was concerned, however with his political activities on Global warming, now hiring Atheists, is an outrage! What does it take to fire a Pope?

      • Afterheart

        God has his time table!

      • Screwtape’s Nemesis

        Actually, the number of Catholics in the world is growing, even exceeding the rate of population growth by a slim margin.

      • MickDavid

        Peter never thought of this possibility:-)

    • planet8788

      selling of indulgences.?.. that’s just the socialism the pope preaches..

  • teaisstronger eleven

    OUR LADY OF FATIMA (1917) AND AKITA (1971) WARNED CATHOLICS OF AN APOSTASY AT THE TOP OF THE CHURCH.

    Oh was that message correct. Just try to imagine what was in the Third Secret that was destroyed and never revealed.

  • MickDavid

    This is to jimbino down below. The site would not let me reply directly.

    Right jimbo, it’s all just a big cosmic accident! No evidence my backside.

  • teaisstronger eleven

    BENEDICT STILL LIVES AND IS STILL POPE.

    Most Catholics question what has happened.

  • Danceswithdachshunds

    All the wealth the Vatican has came out of the ground didn’t it? Poor Nell Gaia.

    • Afterheart

      Or was stolen by those who got it out of the ground!

  • Wally Bobo

    This Pope has proven to be a common man with a limited grasp on things. He does not have enough true intellect to see that all things created by God can not be destroyed by man. That alone should have been enough to stay out of these waters, but I think he needed the adulation of these people to somehow validate himself…which should be the furthest thing from his mind as the leader of his flock.

  • Josey

    Garbage.

  • John D

    This Pope is a disgrace. His foray into politics is at best wrong headed. He should concern himself with the conduct of some of his priests and with saving souls. His condemnation of people and corporations not being charitable enough is laughable. The Catholic Church is one of the richest corporations in the world. Why don’t they do more?

    • Screwtape’s Nemesis

      while I’m not fond of this pope, your comment is wrong-headed. The Catholic Church is THE largest provider of aid to the poor WORLDWIDE next to the US government (and it does a far better job of administering the aid. Yet, of course, I’m sure the Church could always do “more.”

      Could you do more, by the way?

      • planet8788

        I’m quite certain normal, everyday Americans help the poor, much more than the government does.
        I’ve been to Central America where the Catholic church is dominant. I fail to see how they are helping the poor there.

        • Screwtape’s Nemesis

          You may fail to see lots of things. However, that doesn’t change facts. As I said, the Church is the largest private provider of aid to the poor in the world.

          As for everyday Americans, they do much (for starters, they provide the funds that enable the Church to do good works), and I thank God for them.

          • planet8788

            What I saw in Central America, is they like to keep the followers stupid and dependent.

          • Screwtape’s Nemesis

            Well, that’s South Americans for you. Do you think they were wiser when, not too long ago, they were pagans?

          • planet8788

            The Church could and should exert more influnce on the schools there. that is my point.

          • Screwtape’s Nemesis

            I agree (we’d need teachers who inculcated actual Catholic doctrine, as opposed to deviation from it). But let’s be realistic: If the Church is not proactive in the way you suggest, people condemn it for being remiss. It is does attempt to wield such influence, people start screaming “separation of church and state.” There’s little rationality and fairness.

  • xman_11530

    Not content with taking over the media, academia (including church sponsored universities), worldwide governmental and NGO’s, the atheistic left is now taking over the last bastion- the Mother Church.
    This is why so many are flocking to fundamentalist religions.

    • Afterheart

      They are flocking to churches that preach the truth and the truth will set them free!

    • planet8788

      They’ve been in the seminaries for well over 50 years.

  • teaisstronger eleven

    POPE LEO ENCYCLICAL STATED THAT SOCIALISM WAS AN AFFRONT TO GOD AND THAT MANKIND HAS A RIGHT TO OWN PROPERTY.

    Property is land, homes, money, wealth, cars, air conditioning and freedom to choose. EPA, WORLD GOVERNMENT AND EPA FORBID PRIVATE OWNERSHIP AND ARE AN AFFRONT TO GOD. FRANCIS SUPPORTS THE FORCED TAKING OF PRIVATE PROPERTY WHICH CONTRADICTS POPE LEO.

  • teaisstronger eleven

    WHY SAVE THE PLANET, JUST LOOK AT WHAT MANKIND IS DOING TO HIS OWN KIND

    Look what murders have gone on in Socialist Governments and the Middle East. Look what Democrats have done to the Black people keeping locked in ghettos.

    SAVE THE EARTH. WHY?

  • Forrest Waller

    This has become more embarrassing every day.

  • Bob Marley

    Perhaps more people will come to understand the heresy that is Papalism.

  • bewaretheprophetwhoseeksprofit

    2 Timothy Chapter 3 sums it all up. Learn from the Lord himself or be condemned for following false prophets such as the one leading the Catholic Church now.

    1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.

    2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,

    3 Without natural affection, truce breakers, false accusers,incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,

    4 Traitors, heady, high minded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;

    5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away.

    6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,

    7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.

    8 Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith.

    9 But they shall proceed no further: for their folly shall be manifest unto all men, as theirs also was.

    10 But thou hast fully known my doctrine, manner of life, purpose, faith, long suffering, charity, patience,

    11 Persecutions, afflictions, which came unto me at Antioch, at Iconium, at Lystra; what persecutions I endured: but out of them all the Lord delivered me.

    12 Yea, and all that will live godly in Christ Jesus shall suffer persecution.

    13 But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and being deceived.

    14 But continue thou in the things which thou hast learned and hast been assured of, knowing of whom thou hast learned them;

    15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

    16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

    17 That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

    • alnga

      May I add…..Amen and amen.

  • Nick of Siggers

    This pope is a lying communist pig

  • conservative5

    Our Beloved Church is in a world of hurt!!!

    • RequiemForAnAmericanDream

      The beloved pedophile jew-hating christian slaughtering church is in a world of hurt! oh no!

      • RON

        The Church is the body of Christ in reality. Your comments are out of line.

        • planet8788

          The church… small c.

      • stevden

        There are God loving and God fearing true Christians in the Catholic church. It is to these that The Word speaks when calling for them to “…Come out from among her…” in the bible.

        • RequiemForAnAmericanDream

          Amen. I agree, but come out of her they must.

      • conservative5

        First, we do not hate Jews, I for one am a big fan of Netanyahu and my daughter is married to a Jewish boy. The Catholic Church has done more to heal, provide education, hospitals and missions than any other religious denomination. It is very true that we have seen a major scandal in the Church regarding pedophile priests, even now we see issues with priests that practice gay lifestyles. We were warned that Evil would infiltrate the Church even up to the hierarchy. A good practicing Catholic follows the 10 Commandments of the Church. If one sins they can be forgiven if truly contrite. God hates the sin, but loves the sinner. Your comment sounds as if you just are not a religious person on any count and just want to to be mean-spirited and hateful. I feel sad for you! I know you will most likely respond with a very ugly reply, that is ok, it is not my forgiveness that you need the most.

  • RON

    Revelation 13:11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.
    12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
    13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
    14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.
    15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
    16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
    17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
    It’s happening !!!!

  • Pro_sanity

    As a Catholic, God forgive me for saying this. Sadly, I don’t believe the Church has a mechanism for removing The Pontiff when it appears he’s perilously adrift. Left-wing “religion” is not Christianity. It’s totalitarian agenda driven emotional appeal that ends bad. I’m saddened and sorry my Pope has drifted into these treacherous waters.

    • RON

      It is the hierarchy, not the peoples of the Catholic church. Prophecy must come to pass. The Anti-Christ arises out of politics, and the Beast/False Prophet must arise out of Christendom, thus he has TWO HORNS like a LAMB but speaks like a DRAGON.

    • RequiemForAnAmericanDream

      The catholic church has been and always will be satanic paganism in Christian drag.

      • RON

        The leaders, not the church members. I agree with you on the hierarchy.

    • alnga

      You are not alone in you sadness, the Son of God never approved of the establishment of a church with the power of a king. He infact tells us the church has only one location and that the Body of Christ is us, we are the church and it is founded as Jesus said on the rock of Simon Peters statement in Mathew 16,16-18.

    • EllieEnlightened

      I come from a long line of Catholics and I will try to educate each of you. I was Catholic for 58 years and walked away when I found out from the local Diocese what really goes on. This Pope just sealed the deal.

      • Erich

        Yeah< I bit my tongue when you said that before. We get it, you figured it all out, the Church is out to get you. Don't let the fact that human nature and Satan will try to mess up the best laid plan. I know you have all the clever one-liners so, proceed.

  • MichMike

    Did you know that the personal behavior of about 1% of the U. S. population results in their CO2 footprint being 50 TIMES the actual average / person? Not too surprising, even to the pope. But do you realize this means this small group is responsible for more than 33% of ALL (that’s right, ALL) U. S. man made CO2 emissions? Were this small group to only emit 25 TIMES the average, OVERALL U. S. CO2 emissions would decline 17% and OVERALL PLANETARY CO2 emissions would decline 2.7%. Can ANYONE explain why all the plans being implemented and proposed will allow this small group to continue to spew CO2 unabated (remaining THE PROBLEM, right?) while financially hammering the lower income and middle classes. Just like the president who CLAIMS to care about the poor, lower income, and middle classes with his WORDS, the pope is siding with the corrupt and criminal ruling elites over the people as he supports an OBVIOUS scam.

    • stevden

      Yes and a volcano erupting spews more CO2 into the atmosphere than all of us. But of course to fix all this we commoners need to go back to living like feudal peasants. sick.
      The funny thing is. Peasant societies are actually much much worse on a local ecosystem than any advanced society. This is such an obvious sick power grabbing and money grabbing scam.

    • Erich

      You’re taking the bait of a false premise (that CO2 is problematic), that’s where they want to take the conversation, don’t go there.

      • MichMike

        I am just pointing out the scam from a different perspective.

  • First Last

    If this surprised you, you aren’t paying attention.

  • Verbotene Gedanken

    Wait, you guys didn’t really think the Pope was anything but a Tool of the NWO, did you???

  • Jack Coyote

    This so called pope is a dangerous crack-pot.

  • the3rdmanhearsall

    I’m not Catholic. But it seems the Padre is more concerned with
    how …he….is viewed
    and how ….he …. will be remembered.
    for what …..he …was able to accomplish……
    perhaps … .he …. might want to humble himself like a beggar in the street. for a change.

  • alnga

    Far to many folks are still believing that the bishop of the church at Rome is infallible

  • RC Christian

    Well, the pope is a Jesuit.

  • chronovisor

    what a surprise! the fraud marxist ANTI pope’s chief scientist is an ATHEIST!!!!

  • RonS76

    And this is how the Anti-Christ will rise. The leader of a major religion (the Pope) worshiping the creation instead of the Creator

  • Craig Hobson

    It’s simply a transfer of deities neither of which are true. Earth is simply a rock that is able to support life in it’s current iteration. There were billions of years when no such life existed.

    • planet8788

      And it spontaneously generated… yeah… that’s science. LOL.

      • Craig Hobson

        Sorry, I’m not arrogant enough to believe that my god is the right one and your’s is the wrong one. The majority of those on this planet don’t believe in the god of the bible.

        • planet8788

          You most certainly are arrogant. You called two religions false and apparently believe life spontaneously generated. (with no possible proof of this being possible). How much more arrogant can you get? Oh… and who, in this conversation, mentioned any religious texts? Not I.
          And to which “bible” were you referring… there are thousands of them.

          • Craig Hobson

            All religions are false, they are man-made constructs. If I cannot grasp a concept, a god must have done it, lacks any critical thinking. An article about the pope is always going be about religion and religious texts. 4.5 billion year old planet, man’s existence on said planet about 2 million years in its various forms. So right up until 1.99 million years ago this god decided to interject himself into the lives of the current inhabitants, hardly.

          • stevden

            What isn’t a man-made construct?

            Oh let me mention some “Man-made constructs”. Christianity has funded, built and “constructed’ the most prestigious Universities and colleges in the world that promote and teach and produce some of the greatest scientists and educated men in the world.

            Also, Christianity has funded, built, and “constructed” the most prestigious and sought after Medical Centers and hospitals in the world. Where science and learning are also promoted…

            How many wonderful prestigious institutions of higher learning, healing, and science have Atheists funded, built, and “constructed” with their own money?? (not money they stole or taxed from someone else)

          • Craig Hobson

            Because the religions have never taxed, plundered or anything of that sort. 500-1400’s? Yes there has been some good done, but far more have died and been murdered in the name of various gods. in your first line though you really just proved my point. “What isn’t a man-made construct?”

          • stevden

            “…but far more have died and been murdered in the name of various gods….”
            In just a few decades, Atheists and Agnostics managed to murder far far more millions and millions of people than any ANY religion ever did…EVER.

          • Craig Hobson

            Ever is a long time, you really want to go with that. Maoists and Marxists are a religions unto themselves, a central figure a cult of personality, where myths are created. Just ask yourself a simple question if you were born in another part of the world would you be a christian or something else. Odds are you’d be something else because they are cultural affects.

          • planet8788

            All your timelines are based on cosmology that is missing half the supposed mass in the universe… and yet you stick it to it like….. Gospel???? Show some humility oh arrogant one. Again, where is the proof of spontaneous generation of life? It doesn’t exist. Proof that you have biases, a worldview and a religion. it’s just atheism

  • ph74

    How anyone can get all these diplomas and actually be that stupid leads me to believe there is no real education being accomplished.

    • SandMan00

      Only indoctrination into the accepted secular world commune of Gaia, it appears.

  • SSE

    The Vatican has lost its core beliefs some time ago. It is a center of humanistic beliefs. The gay agenda has expanded.

  • planet8788

    Too bad Josef Stalin is dead. I’m sure the pope would have took advice from him as well.

  • Dialogos68

    CLIMATE CHANGE is normal!!!! It is a natural occurrence that cannot be stopped AND it is NOT the same as MAN MADE global warning…. Dishonest liberals have started referring to “global warming” as “climate change” to blur the debate because their pseudo-science does not add up and their banker overlords still want to tax our carbon footprint. It has been proven that the global warming alarmist at the UK MET office have fudged weather station data to push an agenda. BTW more accurate satellite data does not support global warming at ALL. Scientist from NASA, France and now Duke (to name a few) have all conducted studies that refute MAN MADE global warming. Global warming alarmists claimed Arctic ice cap would be gone by now, but according to a 2015 NASA study, sea ice is 5% above a 35 year average.

    Instead, our society needs to focus on deforestation, pollution and contamination from a wide variety of sources instead of just carbon. WAKEUP!!!

  • Neuro Mancer

    He looks like a pervert.

    Oh wait, he’s in the Obama Admin.

    Duh.

  • rennyangel2

    This pope is too much out of South American revolutionary theology, which is marxist.

    • Mollie Norris

      Marxism is misinterpreted as a social justice philosophy, but all top-down (imposed) forms of socialism and communism are plutarchies, and the UN’s policies benefit only a fraction of the .01% of Illuminati – a communist kleptocracy marketed under the deception of social justice that has recently advanced to the use of starvation to reduce population.

  • jamesben

    Pope Marxist I is a fool, and his “science” advisor seems much worse. This pope should stick to issues of religiosity – not politics.

    “Anthropogenic global warming” is a SHAM – a hoax – designed to render wealthy nations poor, by way of a global governance pact – like the one Commie Obammy got a green light on today from the traitors in the Senate.

    • Red47

      That it is designed to build the Collective is exactly why the AGW theology fits so well with the Pope’s Liberation Theology paradigm.

  • JohnWolf

    I am Catholic. I pray, that the Pope steps down.

    Everything about this Pope is bizzare

    • EllieEnlightened

      I was Catholic for 58 years and walked away when I found out from the local Diocese what really goes on. This Pope just sealed the deal.

      • Screwtape’s Nemesis

        Then you never really understood the faith.

        • EllieEnlightened

          I understand the faith. Check your local Diocese they are about power and money. A long time Priest who is a close family member was wronged in so many ways. He was a whistleblower on the corruption. The Bishops hate you they only want your money. Don’t preach to me. My sister was a nun who is rolling in her grave with what goes on. Don’t tell me what I know. Do you pray to Catholic Church or God?

          • Screwtape’s Nemesis

            As I said, you don’t understand the faith. The men of any institution will always sin, but Christ’s Church remains.

            The officers of the Church will be judged for their sins. And you will be judged for yours.

      • Robert Rivera

        The way they dealt with pedophilia among their ranks told me who they really serve.

        • EllieEnlightened

          That is NOTHING to what else goes on.

          • Robert Rivera

            I don’t doubt that one bit.

  • Dale

    Why do people insist on calling the pope “the holy father”? Jesus clearly stated we are not to call any man “father” because we have “one Father, and he is in heaven.” [Not meaning our dads, but spiritual leaders.] The pope is a father in neither the carnal nor spiritual sense of the word. So many of his doctrines are false (compared with bible doctrine) that he can only be reckoned as an antichrist. He is the deceiver of 1.2 billion Catholics who follow and support his religion.

    • stevden

      Personally, I’ve never understood the concept of “Priests” either for Christendom. That just seems so counter-intuitive for Christianity. Any need for a “priest” was ended with Christ’s crucifixion when he performed the role of “Priest” and “sacrifice” at the same time. He is the only one worthy of ever being the Priest anyway. The apostles never called themselves priests. In the new Testament only Christ was considered the literal Priest.
      In one of his letters Paul did say something about all of us being “Kings” and “Priests”…But of course that is ALL of us Christians, and that can only obviously be taken spiritually….not literally.

      • Screwtape’s Nemesis

        If you don’t understand it, you have no business rejecting it.

        Go away and think and come to understand it. Then maybe you’ll have a good reason to reject (or accept) it.

        • cmdprompt

          He did reject it in a very nice way. He completely understands the subject matter, he was just being polite. The Catholic hierarchy is a construct of man, not God. The entirety of the New Testament is about the individual and the LOCAL Church, not some state or global construct put in place by man.

          • Screwtape’s Nemesis

            How do you know he understands it? Investigate Chesterton’s Fence.

          • cmdprompt

            No need to investigate it, I’m familiar. I don’t see how that is relevant though.

            Let’s not be obtuse. Stevden articulated a thought and backed it up with scripture. You know very well that he took the sting out of what he said by couching it in personal terms.

        • stevden

          Obviously I “understand” it much better than you. I actually formulated a paragraph on the subject. also contributed an example or two to make a point. When you are capable of matching that contribution, then you can lecture me about what I “understand”.

          • Screwtape’s Nemesis

            Actually, that’s not obvious. You open your comment saying “I’ve never understood” — those are your words, not mine. And the rest of your comment is in the same vein. You provide reasons why you think there shouldn’t be priests, but you don’t present the rationale for their existence (you can disagree with the rationale while also acknowledging its existence.

            Investigate Chesterton’s Fence.

      • Erich

        The basis is Jesus vesting authority in his apostles. Check out the catechism if you want the Catholic perspective.

  • Art Riordonr

    Hey Popey, being a good Catholic I see an awful lot of sinning going on- you might concentrate on that for a while.

  • jamesben

    This pope is praying at the altar of a false god, a false religion known as “anthropogenic global warming.”

  • EllieEnlightened

    The Pope is nothing more than the Obama of the Catholic Church.

  • Kim Sanders

    Greed and environmental crime lurk behind the guise of ‘Climate Change’. The truth is contamination of our natural resources is really bad. So bad they might never recover. But the normal activities of everyday men and women are not the cause of the situation.

    As always, to find the culpable parties, follow the money.

  • JohnWolf

    Our next Pope should be a Catholic, not a Jesuit

  • cofccprez2015

    This Pope has personally retired the “Doctrine of Papal Infallibility”…

  • Gabriel Parra

    Have you ever hear about the most famous Jewish philosopher Baruch Spinoza? This “pantheist” was Ben Gurion’s favorite scholar and thesis. His philosophy and writings brought upon him the excommunication and damnation of the Jewish community in his time. Are you now to do the same with Pope Francis?

    • mikecnj

      when Popey steps out of line : the left’ll slap him back in line : not to worry .

      • EllieEnlightened

        I see you adopted the name. LOL.

    • SPQR_US

      Yep.

  • SandMan00

    This pope is a radical revolutionary Marxist priest, typical of the type commonly found in Latin America. They are more interested in achieving so-called social justice on earth through redistributive politics than they are in seeking a path to the Kingdom of Heaven.

  • Ben5073

    So, either the Universe is God and vice-a-versa and is something that we might never fully understand, or God is a zombie that floated into space about two thousand years ago with the promise to return and save those he deems worthy…hmmmm

    • SandMan00

      Regardless, AGW is still a scam.

    • planet8788

      Was there supposed to be something intelligible in that post?

    • stevden

      Wow…that was sooo deep…in a Freshmen dorm sorta way…

    • cmdprompt

      Drugs are bad… mkay?

  • EllieEnlightened

    Notice the part they aren’t talking about. The part that says if you want to save trees and the earth you should save embryos.

  • SandMan00

    The difference between traditional Catholic belief and the religion of Environmentalism is that Catholicism does not advocate for a forcible worldwide redistributive revolution.

    • mikecnj

      it does now

    • cmdprompt

      It did in the past and it appears to be doing so again now.

    • stevden

      When one considers the voting practices of the majority of American Catholics…one would have to disagree with you…

      • Screwtape’s Nemesis

        Not quite fair for a few reasons. One is that most Hispanics, who come from socialist countries, are Catholic. Catholic people of Germanic descent vote very differently.

  • EllieEnlightened

    Hey Popey doesn’t God control the climate? Just saying.

    • mikecnj

      Popey : I like that : appropriately irreverent

    • cmdprompt

      How old fashioned…

  • SPQR_US

    Pimp Francis is Satan’s Vicar. What more evidence does anyone especially Catholics need? Pimp Francis kisses Quorans (I use them to feed to pigs) he’s a typical RICH socialist and he attempts to compare Christ to Mohammad. Which frankly is demonic. Any Catholics still like this vile satqnist?

  • planet8788

    On the global cooling thing, it’s worthy to note that they started predicting an ice age because they had seen global temperatures drop 0.7C. A real drop in temperature….from 1940-1975… Notice now… that cooling at most is 0.2C in the latest charts… That’s how much the Climastrologists have fiddled with the temp. data.

    • The Boogeyman

      The Truth is Kryptonite to the charlatans running the Anthropogenic Global Warming Hoax.

  • Jljlmjlmn_Prprsprst

    Anti-racists say there is a RACE problem that can only be solved when the third world pours into EVERY White country and “assimilates.”

    What if I said there was a RACE problem that could only be solved if hundreds of millions of non-Blacks were brought into EVERY Black country? How long before people realize I’m not talking about a RACE problem, but the conclusion to the BLACK problem?

    They say they are anti-racist. What they are is anti-White.

    Anti-racist is a codeword for anti-White.

    • Robert Rivera

      If the Blacks can say the “N” word, like Obama did and we get penalized for it, that’s not equality and it’s something the majority of them really have never wanted. They want an excuse and “free” ride.

  • planet8788

    Parable of the mustard seed. Mustard treessdon’t normally grow large… and the “birds of the air” that make their home in it…. everywhere else in scripture… “birds of the air” refer to the Evil One.

  • ET

    Advisor to the Pope is an Atheist.

    The Pope is either a Marxist Escaped Mental Patient or The Anti-Christ.

  • Michelle P

    This was invented decades ago by the usual CFR, NWO agents for the criminal EU Oligarchs and introduced by Al Gore. The Pope has nothing to do with this except to say yes the environment matters, but people matter more.

    They effectively twist and distort everything the catholic church does with impunity. They want us to hate each other, and all traditional christian, jewish, and muslim faiths are under attack.

    “Edith Starr Miller, published a book in the 1933 titled Occult Theocracy. Her death took place a year after filing for divorce Jan 8th, 1932 citing “cruelty.” Her husband was Almeric Hugh Paget, 72, 1st Baron of Queenborough, Union Party MP, House of Lords, Knight of the Order of the British Empire, Treasurer of the League of Nations (the original UN), and member of British Union of Fascists. Fascists were part of the conspiracy and their opposition to Freemasonry/Communism a pretense.”

    Before her death, Miller had completed her anthology of occult secret societies entitled “Occult Theocracy”. In the Preface, she wrote:

    “In offering this book to the public, I have endeavored to expose some of the means and methods used by a secret world, one might almost say an underworld, to penetrate, dominate and destroy not only the so-called upper classes, but also the better portion of all classes.”

    Edith Miller became aware of them because she’d married into the rank and file of the British Occult Theocracy.

    • Anthony

      This pope is not my pope, or many other Catholics Pope we are disowning him. As obviously he seeks to imitate the “black-pope” from the book of revelations. Perhaps he is doing that on purpose, but the end is that we have a communist/AGW-hoax supporter who want to turn America into a revision of the tower of Babel by using church donations to help Obama smuggle more illegals into the country, to keep the Catholic church pews filled, and let multiculturalism run rampant. Soon you will have to know 20 different languages just to communicate in America with all the new immigrants, which the Catholics are helping smuggle in. This pope has aligned himself Antichrist, which in this case is Obama, and Gore, and the UN.

      • Michelle P

        What makes you believe hook line and sinker everything the media says. Believe the bible, NEVER the media. They blamed Hitler on the catholic church as well. History documented the fact that German catholic bishops excommunicated Nazi’s years before anyone else had problem with them. Catholic were persecuted in protestant Europe since the 16th century, and equally persecuted by Hitler and then Stalin. The Armenian genocide was at par with the Haulocaust. There is also the fact that today we know the Bank of England funded the Nazi’s, renderring the entire WWII narrative false. England walked away with the Middle East and Africa and nobody questioned why Communist Russia was given eastern europe on a silver platter. Yet, they blame the church, His church.

        Churchill was a druid, who firebombed innocent civilians. Truman was a freemason who bombed Japan with the deadliest weapon known to man years after the Cairo Convention, when the allies had already determined they won the war. We are being deceived on a massive scale. People can decide whatever, but actions have consequences always. Good luck with that.

  • OldSalt48

    The Church of Sodomy and Gomorrah…

  • ET

    The Imbecile Marxist Pope taking advice from an Atheist is like Ronald Reagan taking advice from Josef Stalin.

  • Emil Carstens

    So, is this the third message from Fatima coming to fruition?

  • Is this the best science advisor the Pope can find? An athiest?

    Is it any surprise that parishioners continue to leave the church? The church has lost its way!

  • bill1942

    This says all that we need to know about this “pope”.

    • alumin

      exactly bill – that’s what I thought too

  • Idealogue

    Given what the bible tells me what the earth is and what science has told us, science has been right much much more than the bible. So, I’ll take the advice of a scientists any time over the “truth” based on an interpretation of the bible.

    Galaleo had to endure the rath of the religious when he pointed out what was really happening, but luckily Schellnhuber will not be sent to prison for his views.

    • Reason8200

      The bible isn’t a science book. Let’s focus strictly on global warming, your scientists have been embarrassingly wrong for 30 years. They have been so wrong and know it, that they had to fabricate data.

      • Idealogue

        Let’s focus on how the earth has been around longer than a few thousand years, and how dinosours did not live with humans, and how everything does not revolve around the earth.

        • Erich

          That clears that up. Way to sort it all out Idea.

        • stevden

          I’ve been a Christian all my life and I have never heard anyone say the believe that the earth is literally just a few thousand years old. That straw man you are fighting is going to beat you up.

      • JameWilson

        I’d like to see what data is fabricated. Not to argue, just because I am interested. Do you have a source?

        • planet8788

          Real climate science (alloneworddot) com

        • Erich

          Search: Ivar Giaever, 1973 Nobel Laureate in Physics, he took exception to use of the word “incontrovertible” being used by the (APS) in thier official position paper. He said (paraphrasing)”we have on going discussion about how a multi-universe beahves or how the mass of a proton changes over time but global warming is incontovertibel?!” Then he resigned.

  • OldSalt48

    POPE…
    There used to be GLACIERS in YOSEMITE…
    What caused them to melt million of years
    ago…?

    • pugwis

      Actually, thousands of years ago.

  • ET

    The Pope should finish making a complete mockery of the Catholic Church and Western Civilization by announcing that he is merging the Catholic Faith with EST.

  • TheGreenButterfly

    THE POPE IS A FALSE PROPHET. If you are Catholic you have been deceived. The first deception is “PAPAL INFALLIBILITY”. Well, hold on to your hats because I have proof that the Pope can fail! *WARNING* this post will contain actual bible scriptures so if you’re not interested in what the bible ACTUALLY says, now is your time to leave.

    WHEN ASKED WHY THE DEVIL IS PERSECUTING MANKIND, something that you would THINK would be in the papal infallibility “wheelhouse”. The pope said…….

    “Envy could be the devil’s motive, he said, pointing to how Psalm 8 tells us ‘You have made man superior to the angels.’ And that angel of great intelligence could not bear this humiliation; that a lower creature was made superior to him; and he tries to destroy it.”
    Replace “DOT” with an actual dot in the link below.
    catholicnewsagencyDOTcom/news/pope-francis-satan-seduces-by-disguising-evil-as-good-85265/

    THE PROBLEM WITH THE POPES’ REASONING IS THAT THE BIBLE DOESN’T SAY THAT MAN HAS BEEN MADE “SUPERIOR” TO THE ANGELS!!! This false preacher should at least know that. EVEN PSALM 8 to which this MINISTER OF SATAN referred says the OPPOSITE of what he cited!~!!!!!

    Psalm 8:5 For thou hast made him a LITTLE LOWER THAN THE ANGELS, and hast crowned him with glory and honour.

    Hebrews 2:7 Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands:

    Hebrews 2:9 But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death,

    crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man.

    If you believed in “papal infallibility” WHAT’S YOUR EXCUSE NOW???

    I AM SICK TO DEATH OF THIS FALSE SATANIC PREACHER. You know that he is a minister of satan because he always says the EXACT OPPOSITE of what the BIBLE SAYS???

    “Who am I to judge” he said, when asked about homosexuals. If he isn’t one then he sure is close. THE BIBLE IS A RECORD OF GOD’S JUDGEMENT OVER CERTAIN BEHAVIORS you unbelievably stupid man. GOD HAS ALREADY JUDGED HOMOSEXUALITY AND HE EVEN HAD THOSE JUDGMENTS RECORDED IN A LITTLE BOOK WE LIKE TO CALL THE BIBLE. You telling a homosexual that he will not inherit the Kingdom of God while practicing homosexuality isn’t YOU judging him MORON, it’s YOU TELLING HIM WHAT GOD’S JUDGEMENT OF HIS BEHAVIOR IS!!!

    While I despise the pope, I do LOVE all of my MISLEAD AND POORLY TAUGHT CATHOLIC BROTHERS. You claim (falsely) PETER AS YOUR FIRST “POPE”, well if that’s what you believe, you should ask your church WHY THEY DON’T DO WHAT PETER SAID THEY MUST DO IN ORDER TO BE SAVED!!!! See Acts 2:38. More on this in a moment. In this section I’m going to show you, OUT OF LOVE FOR YOU, what your FALSE TEACHER TEACH and what the BIBLE ACTUALLY SAYS, hold on to your hats!

    The BIBLE declares that any church which prohibits people from MARRYING ( priests and nuns) AND also asks it’s congregants to ABSTAIN FROM MEATS ( no meat on Friday) IS A CHURCH OF SATAN. Paul told Timothy that this church would get it’s “DOCTRINE” from DEMONS.

    1 Timothy 4:1-4

    King James Version (KJV)

    4 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;

    2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;

    3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

    4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing to be refused, if it be received with thanksgiving:

    He prophesied this to Timothy so that the Bishop could IDENTIFY the false church that arose. And you know what ELSE a “False church” that received it’s doctrines from DEMONS would do? It would LIE about the nature of CHRIST’S MISSON HERE ON EARTH. Every year the Catholic Church tells you that Jesus came to “BRING PEACE ON EARTH”, all of you without question have been VICTIMS of this HEINOUS LIE. Is it just a “mis-interpretation”? An INNOCENT MISTAKE perchance? Nope. It’s the EXACT OPPOSITE OF WHAT JESUS CHRIST STATED HIS MISSION TO BE!!!! Remember what we discussed about “opposites”? Not only did Jesus never say He came to “bring peace to the Earth”, but it’s something that JESUS CHRIST WARNED YOU SPECIFICALLY NOT TO THINK!!!!!

    Matthew 10:34-39

    King James Version (KJV)

    34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

    35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

    36 And a man’s foes shall be they of his own household.

    37 He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

    38 And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me, is not worthy of me.

    39 He that findeth his life shall lose it: and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.

    Since these verses exist in EVERY BIBLE in the WORLD we can conclude that it isn’t an innocent mistake which has the POPE telling you the EXACT OPPOSITE of what Jesus said that HIS mission was!! EVERY TIME a Catholic addresses a PRIEST AS “FATHER” they commit BLASPHEMY! Since this ALSO Jesus told you NOT TO DO.

    Matthew 23:9

    9 And do not call anyone on earth ‘father,’ for you have one Father, and he is in heaven.

    THE GLORY OF BEING CALLED “FATHER” BELONGS TO GOD AND GOD ALONE, yet the proponents of FALSE DOCTRINE in the Catholic Church INSIST that you give THEM GOD’S GLORY!!!!

    NEITHER the POPE nor ANY BISHOP IN ROME, have met the BIBLICAL REQUIREMENTS for the OFFICE OF A BISHOP!! And no, they don’t have the power to CHANGE the word of GOD nor do they have the right to IGNORE what CHRIST SAID MUST BE DONE IN HIS CHURCH. A Bishop MUST, I REPEAT, MUST BE MARRIED AND HAVE CHILDREN! This is a REQUIREMENT not a “suggestion”.

    1 Timothy 3:1-5

    King James Version (KJV)

    3 This is a true saying, if a man desire the office of a bishop, he desireth a good work.

    2 A bishop then must be blameless, the husband of one wife, vigilant, sober, of good behaviour, given to hospitality, apt to teach;

    3 Not given to wine, no striker, not greedy of filthy lucre; but patient, not a brawler, not covetous;

    4 One that ruleth well his own house, having his children in subjection with all gravity;

    5 (For if a man know not how to rule his own house, how shall he take care of the church of God?)

    There isn’t a single Cardinal or Bishop in ROME who has met the qualifications for the office he holds. THen there is the SUBJECT OF SALVATION. Jesus said in John 3:1-8 that you MUST BE BORN AGAIN and that this process entails both WATER and SPIRITUAL BAPTISM. The APOSTLES who witnessed Jesus’ ascension in Acts chapter 1 thought that they were going to leave from there to start the church which is why Jesus selected them. But Jesus told them to GO BACK TO JERUSALEM AND WAIT UNTIL THEY HAD RECEIVED THE HOLY GHOST BEFORE BEGINNING THEIR JOURNEY!!!

    Along the way in His ministry with them He taught them many things, one of which was HIS TRUE NATURE. See John 14:6-11. PRIOR TO THIS He confused His apostles by constantly referring to a “FATHER ” that they could not see, as you’ll recall a VOICE from Heaven announced itself as the “Father” at Jesus’ Baptism. HOWEVER his apostles were still confused. HE basically told them that the FATHER LIVED INSIDE OF HIS BODY. “I am in the Father and the Father is IN me, WHEN YOU HAVE SEEN ME, YOU HAVE SEEN THE FATHER”, read it for yourself. This background is necessary for you to understand the CRIME that the CATHOLIC CHURCH HAS COMMITTED AGAINST YOUR SALVATION AS IT RELATES TO BAPTISM. The Catholic Church BAPTIZES using the TITLES “FATHER, SON AND HOLY GHOST” as do any churches which are the FRUIT of this poisoned TREE. They do this because of their faulty understanding of a COMMAND WHICH JESUS GAVE TO HIS APOSTLES, AND THE PROOF THAT I AM RIGHT AND THAT THEY ARE WRONG IS THE FACT THAT THE CATHOLIC CHURCH ARRIVED AT A DIFFERENT CONCLUSION than did the APOSTLES. Imagine the NERVE, the pure unmitigated GALL that it would take for you to think that YOU could interpret something said to PETER better than PETER COULD!!!

    But that is EXACTLY what they’ve done and on the MOST IMPORTANT SUBJECT IN THE BIBLE, YOUR SALVATION, THEY ARE AT ODDS WITH THE PEOPLE THAT CHRIST CHOSE TO START HIS CHURCH. In Matthew 28:16 the bible is CLEAR that JESUS was TALKING TO HIS APOSTLES he was NOT giving “general counsel” to the “multitudes” like He did with the “Beatitudes”.

    MATTHEW 28:16-19

    16 Then the eleven disciples went away into Galilee, into a mountain where Jesus had appointed them.

    17 And when they saw him, they worshipped him: but some doubted.

    18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.

    19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:

    NOTICE THAT IN VERSE 19 the word “NAME” is SINGULAR and NOT plural, which is what you would expect if the three pronouns listed had THREE DIFFERENT NAME(S), right? NEITHER “FATHER” “SON” NOR “HOLY GHOST” ARE NAMES, Jesus told them to baptize IN THE NAME THAT ENCOMPASSED ALL THREE OF THESE TITLES WHICH IS JESUS CHRIST AND WHICH IS EXACTLY WHAT THE APOSTLES WENT AND DID.

    By the time that JESUS said this ( Matt 28:19) to His apostles WHAT WAS THEIR UNDERSTANDING OF WHO HE IS??? In John 14:6-11 VERSE 9 stands out.

    John 14:9

    9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?

    The apostles DIDN’T BELIEVE IN A TRINITY, a word NOT found in scripture, a word CREATED by a man named TERTULLIAN at the Council of Nicea 325AD, long after the death of the last Apostle (John) on the Isle of Patmos. THE APOSTLES BELIEVED THAT JESUS WAS GOD MADE FLESH. Period. Not a “piece” of God, not some third wheel in some “Trinity” but GOD who spoke LIGHT into LIFE with HIS VOICE. The APOSTLES BELIEVED THAT JESUS CHRIST CREATED THE WORLD LONG BEFORE HE CLOTHED HIMSELF IN FLESH AND VISITED US.

    SEE, 1TIMOTHY 3:16, Colossians 1:13-16, John 1:1, John 1:14 for starters. This is why, when the Apostles RECEIVED THE HOLY GHOST IN ACTS 2:1-4 and came down onto the street to give the FIRST SERMON WITH THE INDWELLING OF THE HOLY GHOST, PETER ended this sermon ( Acts 2:13-37) with this statement.

    Acts 2:38

    King James Version (KJV)

    38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.

    But that isn’t what the Catholic Church does for IT’S baptisms, IS IT??? Nooooo they think that THEY who never knew Jesus Christ, can somehow interpret what JESUS said to PETER better than PETER COULD!!! You even have PAUL in ACTS 19:1-6 CHANGING THE BAPTISM OF SOME PEOPLE WHO HAD ALREADY BEEN BAPTIZED UNDER JOHN TO BAPTISM IN JESUS NAME SINCE EVEN JOHN TOLD THEM THAT WHAT HE WAS DOING WAS ONLY A STOP GAP MEASURE BUT THAT JESUS WAS ON HIS WAY!!!!!!

    The Catholic Church does not teach their people TO RECEIVE THE HOLY GHOST THE SAME WAY THE APOSTLES DID!! See Acts 2:1-4. Acts 10:44-48, John 3:8, Mark 16:15-20, Acts 19:1-6.

    Remember when PAUL said that after His departing grievous wolves would come into the flock? Acts 20:29. The Catholic Church which doesn’t even know WHY Jesus came to the EARTH is just such a wolf. THERE IS A RECORD in the bible which is how I KNOW THAT I AM RIGHT and the POPE is WRONG. There has long been a debate in some corners of the Christian world about HOW one should be baptized. But I’m here to tell you that there IS NO CONTROVERSY in the matter, not if one consults the RECORD. See there is a RECORD OF BAPTISMS in the BIBLE AND NOT ONE OF THEM is performed using the EMPTY TITLES “FATHER SON AND HOLY GHOST’ each and EVERY baptism in the NEW TESTAMENT where a baptismal formulae is given is DONE IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST, in fact PETER tells the people in ACTS 4:12 THAT THIS IS THE ONLY NAME THAT CAN SAVE THEM!!! See Acts 2:38, acts 4:12, Acts 8:16, Acts 10:44-48 and ACTS 19:1-6. Not to mention the fact that EPHESIANS 4:5 specifically says that there is only ONE BAPTISM, so that leaves the “universalists” picking their feet!

    Jesus said that if you’re NOT born again of the SPIRIT you CANNOT SEE NOR ENTER INTO THE KINGDOM OF GOD, JOHN 3:1-8 and in VERSE 8 He told you that the experience that HIS APOSTLES HAD when they received the Holy Ghost WASN’T JUST FOR THEM but was for EVERYONE WHO WOULD BE BORN OF HIS SPIRIT!!! He told you in Mark 16:15-20 the same thing, that SIGNS follow your “BELIEF”. YET THE FALSE CHURCH IN ROME TEACHES NONE OF THIS TO IT’S CONGREGANTS.

    In closing, if your church violates the word of God on issues as important as WHY JESUS CAME TO EARTH or GIVING THE GLORY OF GOD TO A MAN BY CALLING HIM FATHER, Matthew 23:9, or the actual steps necessary to achieve salvation, what good is it? By the way, to head off the one verse Charlie’s at the pass, being saved by faith through grace and by faith and not works, doesn’t mean you get to ignore the commandments of JESUS CHRIST. That isn’t “works” THAT is OBEDIENCE.

    • eddie too

      the pope is not a false prophet. Jesus set up a hierarchical Church. the pope sits in the office of peter the apostle just as Jesus planned.
      if you are not getting the Gospel from the Roman Catholic Church, you are getting it from a man that has rejected the hierarchical structure Jesus designed for us.

      • TheGreenButterfly

        YOU ARE WRONG. I am “getting it” directly from the bible. I printed the scriptures that the pope and his false church are VIOLATING you simply chose not to see it. Good luck with your eyesight.

        • Erich

          Which bible, which interpreation of that bible, etc. etc. Get it? You are not qualified to read/interpret the bible without the aid of the catechism and the magesterium. Before your head explodes and if you want to be legit, open a catechism and mark the places it gets it wrong (hint: there won’t be any).

          • momcubed

            I have never read anywhere in the Bible that it says I have to have the aid of catechism and megesterium in order to understand it. Understanding the word of God comes from He Himself. Jesus tore away the veil. Christ is the mediator because he is God made flesh, fully man, fully divine.

          • Erich

            Stubborn arrogance, If 1,000,000 people read the bible, you will have 1,000,000 interpretations. I suppose you’ve got it right? If you take a second and really consider what I am pointing out you have to see it. Tha Catholic church has many problems, they can all be traced to imperfect humans. Why do you cling to your pride so?

          • momcubed

            Pride? Are you telling me that a falible man needs to interpret the Bible, when I have the One True King? Jesus is the High Priest. The Bible is God’s revelation to man. There are numerous instances where the catechism contradicts the Word of God. Jesus, Himself, tells us many times to read the Scriptures. He does not say to go to the Rabbi and ask him what it means.

            2 Timothy 3:16-17
            16 All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, 17 so that the servant of God[a] may be thoroughly equipped for every good work.

            Acts 17:11
            11 Now the Berean Jews were of more noble character than those in Thessalonica, for they received the message with great eagerness and examined the Scriptures every day to see if what Paul said was true.

            Psalm 119:105
            105 Your word is a lamp for my feet,
            a light on my path.

            Hebrews 4:12
            12 For the word of God is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to dividing soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.

            Matthew 22:31
            31 But about the resurrection of the dead—have you not read what God said to you,

            Mark 7:13
            13 making the word of God of no effect through your tradition which you have handed down. And many such things you do.”

            Hebrews 4:14-16
            14 Seeing then that we have a great High Priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our confession. 15 For we do not have a High Priest who cannot sympathize with our weaknesses, but was in allpoints tempted as we are, yet without sin. 16 Let us therefore come boldly to the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy and find grace to help in time of need.

      • planet8788

        Read the parable of the mustard seed…. then describe for the meaning of the “birds of the air”

  • mallen717

    The Pope needs a Victim’s Advocate for Children to be his adviser.

  • Idealogue

    Wow, only in modrn day would the conservative crowd lower themselves to the name calling of the pope, mearely because they do not agree with him. What has Christianity fell to?

    • Reason8200

      Liberals have taken over the church and corrupted it.

      • Idealogue

        Of course, the liberals…

        • Reason8200

          Kind of like your argument about “the conservatives”.

          • Idealogue

            I am just taking from the folks mainly calling the pope names like middle school boys in this comments section. Also, the article itself is written by a conservative “Christian”, heck your avatar inplies you are a conservative. All you have is the assumption I am liberal simply becasue you dissagree with me.. like a middle school boy would do too, BTW.

          • Anthony

            You and AGW are like a case of herpes you just keep popping up, and no one wants you!

          • Reason8200

            I’m just assuming from your lack of knowledge about global warming, matters of the church, and Christian bashing,,,, heck you must be a liberal.

          • Idealogue

            I know you see me as bashing since I dissagree, but one day you’ll grow up. The christian bashing is of the pope, here by the likes of conservative folk, like you, that think they are better than the pope.

          • planet8788

            Why would the pope consult with a pantheist?

          • Erich

            Uh, no.

          • Anthony

            Nobody thinks they are better than the Pope, we know we are better than him. Nobody on this thread helped to shift around pedophiles from the districts where they committed their crimes. But this Pope sure had a hand in that not while he was Pope, but prior to. And why is it not shocking that now that we have a Pope who supports a global wealth redistribution scheme called AGW (or whatever they changed the name to this week to hide that the science behind it has been debunked, over, and over again). And a Pope that supports the spread of the disease that is multiculturalism as the Catholic churches in America continue to smuggle in illegals, just so they can fill church pews. So of course atheist Christian hating liberals would love this Pope, he seeks to destroy all that made the world great like countries actually having borders.

          • Erich

            that’s funny

    • Anthony

      Only in liberal upside down Bizzaro world would Christian hating liberals be coming out to defend the Pope. And only because he is now officially as stupid as you all are!

    • planet8788

      he puts his pants on in the morning… just like the rest of us… Who died and made him pope…? Nobody

    • pugwis

      How do you know the political philosophy of anyone in this room? Do you really believe the members of a political party or philosophy walk in some sort of lock-step in everything? I’m a Democrat from a Chicago Machine Family of Democrats going back to Anton Cermak. We have a lot in common with Republicans but support the Dems because the Family lives off patronage. Our jobs are centered around the Party, but we go to Catholic church most Sundays, send our kids to parochial schools, didn’t vote for Obama, and have a lot of commonality with other political groups. Is every Democrat against racism or hates cops? Is every Democrat anti-gun and atheist? I don’t thinks so. When you get down to it, most of our beliefs are common.

  • ithakavi

    The last time that the Church ‘took sides’ in a scientific controversy was in 1616 when the Holy Office declared (in Galileo’s first trial) that heliocentrism was false both as a matter of Biblical exegesis and as a matter of ‘natural philosophy’ (i.e., ‘science’). As now, the Church relied on the consensus view of all the best astronomers and experts in the field. And, indeed, the Ptolemaic model then generally in use did more accurately predict the positions of the planets than did the methods proposed by Copernicus. There were then very good grounds for accepting the scientific consensus of the day and rejecting the new-fangled notion that the earth moved. The ‘progressives’ have been beating the Church over the head for having done so for the last 300 years (it somehow ‘proves’ we are ‘anti-science’). I have no reason to believe that Francis and Peter Cardinal Turkson presently have any better information about global warming than Paul V and St. Bellarmine (coincidentally also a Jesuit) had about the movement of the earth in 1616. This has potential to be a major fiasco. It started out very badly and will only get worse.

    According to the published reports, the encyclical declares that burning fossil carbon for energy is now a sin. I am wondering how Francis proposes to get to Philadelphia in September. Will he be rowed from Ostia to Philly in the Papal Galley? If he flies, will he grant the air crew and the people who extracted the oil and refined the jet fuel an indulgence?

    • MH

      Actually the Church was correct when they said it was a matter of philosophy instead of science (not quite their words). In truth the equations of motion which must be solved for man to travel to the moon can be solved assuming the sun at the center with the planets revolving around (Galileo) or with the earth at the center with the sun and planets oribtting the earth. The only reason the first is used is the amount of computing power required to solve the equations. Physically they are equivalent. That’s one of the things Einstein’s theories tell us all inertial reference frames are equivalent (not equal).

  • eddie too

    when you have studied what the Holy Father has studied and spent your lives on spiritual growth as the Holy Father has done and served the Church Jesus created as the Holy Father has served, you still will not have received the Holy Spirit in the manner Francis received it when the conclave selected him.
    so, your credentials are so shallow that this condition explains why you possess the hubris to try and instruct the rest of us about things of which you are mostly ignorant.

    • Anthony

      Uh oh liberal Christian hating, now Pope loving response incoming

    • PhantomOps

      Spoken by someone that cannot start a sentence with capital letters…and you call others ignorant.

      • Anthony

        Oh wow I called it, you are the grammar police troll, oh no he forgot to capitalize at the beginning of a sentence.

      • eddie too

        I recognize my ignorance. you do not see me attacking Christ’s Vicar on earth.

        • Anthony

          Do not give that troll the benefit of you even admitting a grammar error, so what if you made one? This is Disqus, not a University classroom. PhantomOps is probably some sad pathetic troll with many human like qualities, but in the end simply a troll!

          • eddie too

            Anthony thanks for your support.

        • sandnomad

          Christ has no “Vicar” on earth, and there is no mention whatsoever in Scripture of a pope or vicar who is in command of the one church that Jesus Christ established. Jesus Christ is the Head of the Church, not the Pope, and Paul wrote that fact in his first letter to the church at Corinth. You can read it in the eleventh chapter of First Corinthians (I Corinthians 11:3).

          After all, Acts 7:48 clearly states that the most High (God) doesn’t exist in temples made with hands, and Luke was quoting the prophet Isaiah. You can read about it in Chapter 66 of the Book of Isaiah, if you truly have an interest in learning Scripture instead of blindly following traditions created by men.

          • Erich

            So you have a firm grip on umpteen languages and dialects not to mention contemporary word use and etymology. You know history from a cultural, sociological, spiritual point of view. You understand Jewish and Roman law and all of the inferences and nuances that scripture refers to. You think you know, that is the real arrogance of it. Why must you spout off?

        • stevden

          “Vicar on Earth”…wow. Imagine those words rolling off the tongue of Jesus as he ministered on earth. Can you hear him uttering those words as he admonished that the meek would inherit the earth…

          Nah….never mind…

          • Erich

            I can imagine it. “You are rock and on this rock I will build my church.”

    • Idealogue

      All these a holes think they are better than the pope.

      • Anthony

        the only “A**-holes here are you and PhantomOps

    • sandnomad

      “You should be calling no one of you on the earth “Father”, for one is your father in heaven.” To call the Pope “Holy Father” is going against a direct commandment of Jesus Christ, which He stated in Matthew 23:9. As a religious person, you should read and study the Bible instead of blindly following the doctrines and commandments of men, and I could say the same about many man-made denominations. People don’t read and study Scripture. They just believe what they are told, and when the blind lead the blind, both fall in the ditch, just as Jesus so stated in Matthew 25:14 and Luke 6:39. If you really want to learn something, read what the Apostle John wrote in First John 2:27, rather than blindly following a man, who heads a man-made organization that is worth in excess of 1.5 trillion dollars.

      • eddie too

        that is your understanding of the scripture. what makes your understanding infallible?

        • planet8788

          It’s not an “understanding” It’s a direct quote.

          • Erich

            Sandy and Planet, So….we’ll get our bibles out and then we’ll all read John 2:27 and then we’ll listen to hear what 3 or 4 billion people think it means? Great idea. How about this? Really consider getting to authentic humility in your life and get a copy of the Catechism and see if you think it makes sense.

        • sandnomad

          No man is infallible, but God doesn’t make mistakes. Even an uneducated, simple minded person could understand the verses I quoted. Whey don’t you take the time to just read them. It’s not rocket science.

      • Erich

        The Branch Davidians studied scripture

        • sandnomad

          The Branch Davidians followed a man, David Koresh, not God, Scripture, or the teachings of Jesus Christ, just like the Catholics and many other denominations. You didn’t even bother to read First John 2:27.

  • Idealogue

    If the pope(or anyone else fo that matter) relied only on scientists this group accepted, we’d still be afraid to travel the oceans because we might fall off, and the moon would be a potential source of cheese.

    • Reason8200

      Actually, people like yourself are a part of the flat earth society. Mainly because despite all the predictions about global warming being wrong, the evidence leading to global warming not occurring, and the fabrication of data…. You still believe climate change is occurring despite all the evidence against it

      • Idealogue

        Only the truly ignorant would declare that global warming issue is not settled. Things are getting warmer, like it or not, and IF man has been a part of the cause and thus has the ability to slow it or stop it, then only fools would try to stop him.

        • eddie too

          why do you believe global warming is caused by human beings?

          • Anthony

            Because he is stupid, and only knows how to Parrot what he heard on one of the many Communist News Networks CNN, MSNBC, CBS.

          • Erich

            NPR

          • Anthony

            Yeah forgot about them, add HuffPo, LA Times, NY Times, etc. as well!

        • eddie too

          surely you realize that all of the speculation surrounding the AGW hypothesis has NOT BEEN SUBJECTED to the “scientific method”?
          do all of the AGW alarmists agree on the definition of “earth’s temperature”? do they all measure it in the same way? why was it necessary for some of the AGW alarmists to go back and adjust historic temperature figures before they could demonstrate that AGW is occurring?

        • Reason8200

          Of course there are times when the earth cools and warms up, mainly due to the solar minimum and maximum, not mankind. Go away troll it is you who is ignorant.

        • planet8788

          Not according tooo….

          UAH satellite data set.
          RSS satellite data set.
          Almost all RAW data sets.
          North pole Ice same as 10 years ago in area, 8 years ago in volume.
          South pole Ice more than ever.

          How is all that possible if we’re the warmest we’ve ever been.

          But it’s not just that….

          Why is the Mendenall glacier uncovering a 1000 year old forest?
          Why aren’t there settlements on Greeland if things really are warmer than 1000 years ago….

          What happened to the 0.7C of cooling from 1940-1975 that brought on the global cooling scare of the 1970’s..? (Hint: It’s been erased to make a hockey stick).

        • Erich

          If you want facts, as you imply, search Ivar Giaever 1973 Nobel Prize in physics.

        • pugwis

          Perhaps not “truly ignorant”; perhaps more thoughtful, less dogmatic or inclined to run around chasing pieces of the sky. The science is far from settled. Only 7% of climatologists agree that humans are causing the climate to change. Not 97% as the government propaganda mills churn out. And many are withholding judgement on whether there is actually a long-term change at all. Best not to jump on a moving bandwagon – it might be heading for a cliff.

        • Danceswithdachshunds

          I’m declaring it settled – there’s not one iota of evidence to support it so continuing to use it for financial gain makes it a SCAM!

      • Danceswithdachshunds

        But that makes it a religion and Congress shall make no law restricting the free exercise of religion so .. they are allowed to teach it in schools.

    • Anthony

      Yes and after we sailed off the edge of the world and fall into the Twilight Zone where Global Warming is real (its not) and there would be actual scientific debate (there is not, its settled science LOL) especially since there is no such thing as settled science. And apparently in the Twilight Zone Christian hating atheist liberals love the Pope suddenly, because much like them, the Pope is stupid and does not understand how science works, and that AGW has already been debunked several times over. That is why liberals always shout that its settled science they have to shut down debate or else someone will have an opportunity to debunk their myth.

    • stevden

      Christianity has contributed more renown scientists to this world than anybody. Also has founded, funded and built more prestigious Universities, colleges, Medical Centers, Research Centers, and hospitals that contribute to science…..certainly more than any Atheists have ever founded, funded or built themselves.
      So spare us your empty self-righteous sanctimony.

    • pugwis

      I don’t know where this stuff comes from. The Greeks measured the circumference of the earth 240 years before Jesus was born and the church created. Nobody believed the earth was flat or boats fell off the edge even before Eratosthenes. Cave paintings thousands of years ago show the earth as round. Every civilization that looked in the sky knew that the moon was a round ball of dirt – and probably a lot of cavemen.

      • stevden

        exactly!! Thank you! But “flat earth” proponents were shown arguing with Columbus in a Bugs Bunny cartoon in the 70’s so it must have happened…

      • fcabanski

        It comes from a late 19th century play.

  • Polo Montana

    As I said in another post, the Pope was talking about Paganism not Christianity. He elevated nature to God. He said humanity needs to renew themselves with nature but he should be talking about humanity renewing themselves with God. Christian Theology says the Earth and humanity is in a corruptible state because of sin. Why should humanity renew themselves with the corruptible earth when they have an incorruptible God?

    There’s nothing wrong with wanting to do things like reduce pollution but there was no need for the Pope to elevate Global Warming politics to a spiritual matter.

  • Tex Taylor

    I can no longer subscribe or defend this man adorned in his priestly robes, a charlatan and fraud who is clearly out of his element. Did Christ not warn us that this “religious” spokesperson would come as a man of peace, helping to usher in a time of tribulation like the world had never seen or would never see again?

    Interesting, that as the world burns, the church has nominated what is at best a mealy-mouthed, milquetoast socialist – Caiaphas for Christians, more interested in being liked than speaking truth, of the flesh preaching little or nothing of the spirit.

    Would appear from here, we are a long way from a noble man like John Paul to lead the flock.

    • pugwis

      Jeez! Take a breath! Get a dog or a girlfriend. Take a walk and look at the clouds. Maybe shut down your computer and get a book. There is nothing you can do about all this so don’t get wrapped up in it.

      • Tex Taylor

        You’re comment is not only irrelevant to my statement and the article. It is pointless and puerile. You read like feckless imbecile and mope, trying to convince themselves they’re happy. Valley Girl and poseur extraordinaire – like this Pope.

        I’ve been happily married for 28 years, so I don’t need a girlfriend and I have two fine dogs.

        Take a hike…

      • Tex Taylor

        Oh, and I forgot to add parrot to your caricature. Get a life…and some new material, Polly.

        From yesterday:

        Get up, take a walk, shut off your computer, and give it a rest. Perhaps buy a dog or get a girlfriend. You are into all this stuff too much and it is clouding your thought processes.

  • silverlocke

    apologies if someone has already mentioned this. but oberon zell-ravenheart is generally acknowledged as the co-author of the gaia theory. thanks! bb /s~

  • Bill Pate

    How did a Communist Pope ever come to be?

  • liberalsodomy

    This south american marxist “pope” is The False Prophet

    By their fruits you shall know them

    • Dan Thompson

      I’d say he is an excellent candidate for the position. He is already trying to bring all religions together into one as you would expect the False Prophet to do. Now if he joins with some politician to get the third temple built in Jerusalem watch out.

    • Harold

      Actually, Daniel 7 describes the pope/papacy as the “little horn” of the west AND Revelation 13 describes him as the 666 [viacarus filii dei] WHIILE Daniel 8 describes the “little horn” of the east AND Revelation, THE False Prophet who is/was muhmmed/islam! It is amazing how easy God made it to see!!!

  • Polo Montana

    I often said, the Antichrist will be a global warming fanatic. “In the name of peace he will destroy many.” Global warming is a dangerous weapon because you can tell people how to live, what food to eat, how many kids they can have and even kill people in the name of “saving the planet.”

    • stevden

      “Health Care” is also a very useful tool for Tyranny. Because of “health care” you can conceivably tell people how to live, what food to eat, how many kids they can have and even kill people

  • Zigger

    Why did god kill the dinosaurs.

    • Danceswithdachshunds

      So you wouldn’t ever have to worry your precious heart about them eating you.

    • stevden

      Why do you believe in God?

      • Erich

        Can’t help you today Steve, can only pray for you. Good luck with your plan.

        • stevden

          ?? Not fully understanding the context of your reply. But nevertheless, if you are truly a righteous man and you are praying fervently in Spirit and “Truth’…then I accept and appreciate your prayers.

          • Erich

            I’m trying…

  • Erich

    Oops, Ivar Giaever

  • pugwis

    Nobody is going to convince anybody else about global warming. You either believe in the religion of global warming or you don’t. It is a “faith” thing. Given the nature of the debate, there is little wonder that the Pope weighs in on the side of “faith”. The idea of “I don’t know, but maybe” is lost here. God? I don’t know, but maybe. Big Bang? I don’t know, but maybe. Human-caused global warming? I don’t know, but maybe. We need more of that to get past all the rhetoric. The Pope is just a guy. He has no special insights into climatology, entomology, geology, psychology, or any other “ology” he might want to comment on. His specialty is religion. He should stick to it.

    • sumday

      its a science thing! If you have a gallon of gas sitting in a can does it give off heat or pollution? Now if you lite that gas on fire does it give off heat and pollution? Does the gas naturally set itself on fire or does man kind pump it out of the ground and set it on fire? Do you think mankind can burn and pollute the earth indefinitely and have no affect on the environment?

      • Evolution of Devolution

        Attack Russia and China, they are far far worse than the US.

        • Dutch Savage

          China and India are the worse polluters, but they’re not white Caucasian people so they don’t get the guilt trip. Only white people are blamed for everything, and told to sacrifice for the world.

      • fcabanski

        Yes, it’s a science thing. NASA just revealed that they had changed their date to show warming over the last decade, when in fact the data showed cooling.

        Yes, it’s a science thing. A few years ago emails from global warming advocates were released. They showed the global warming zealots discussing faking data to push the global warming idea and agenda.

        • Dutch Savage

          It’s a mixture of things and it’s used to create world government… Yes we need to take care of the planet, and yes if we $h1t where we eat things are going to get bad, but no we don’t need so called experts lying to push taxes on us while turning a blind eye to China and India.

      • planet8788

        CO2 is not a pollutant. It’s required for life and there is a lot of evidence that many plants are starved for it.

        • Dutch Savage

          Yes, and tons of plastic in the ocean, waste of resources, etc is not going to be fixed by God correct? I mean CO2 is one thing, but when we cut done all of the trees that turn the CO2 into oxygen, pollute underground water resources, etc what happens? We’ve wiped out how many of the worlds trees? Why are we even still using timber when we know hemp and recycled plastic is a better option? Will God fix all of these problems for us, or do we fix these problems ourselves?

          • planet8788

            Real pollution needs to be dealt with… fossil fuels save lives.

          • Dutch Savage

            Yes, and we should keep trying to find alternatives, and become more conservative with our resources.

          • nearboston

            “….but when we cut done all of the trees that turn the CO2 into oxygen, pollute underground water resources, etc what happens? We’ve wiped out how many of the worlds trees? ”

            PROOF: These people are insane!

          • Dutch Savage

            Proof you’re completely unaware of anything other then what a government controlled media source tells you. I’m not a left winger, or right winger, I understand your gang and the other side are both a bunch of sheep.

          • Erich

            Fly in a plane lately? What did you see? Trees, more than ever. It’s a renewable resource. Don’t take my ord for it, look it up. Or, you could listen to NPR.

          • Dutch Savage

            Smart guy, fly in a plane and see trees so that must mean that over 75% of the worlds forest haven’t been chopped down. How was that plane trip over the entire planet smart guy? Yeah I don’t listen to NPR, FOXNEWS, MSNBC,ETC. I don’t get my information from a left wing, or right wing government controlled source.

    • MH

      The removal of God from society left open the possibility that man can cause all sorts of things, including the weather. Nevermind that we can’t accurately predict next week’s weather (with the same models the AGW crowd think are so great), we must be causing it. What else could there be? I remember when we used to say that if you didn’t like the weather today just wait until tomorrow because it will change. That’s what all the panic is about – the WEATHER.

      • Dutch Savage

        Not that I want a globalist government/world communism through a global warming scam, but the idea that God is just going to fix all of man kinds destruction and screw ups isn’t a good idea at all. God is not going to do anything for you, God is not going to save the world from a meteor, God is not going to scoop us up in a giant hand when the Sun explodes, we have to do for ourselves.

        • MH

          I didn’t exactly mean God was going to save us from ourselves. It was more what it does to the human thought process. Any mental health person will tell you that to be healthy we must believe in something greater than ourself (even if its the doorknob) otherwise people start believing they can control all sorts of things that they can not.

    • fcabanski

      Faith is not “I don’t know, but maybe”. That’s belief. Faith is acting on belief.

  • FlameCCT

    Why am I not surprised. Pope Francis is pushing Liberation Theology which fits nicely with other Marxist (Progressive) influenced ideology, in particular the atheistic pseudo-science of Gaia, Anthropogenic Climate Change, etc.

  • Evolution of Devolution

    Didnt King Solomon make a similar mistake? That didnt work out too well for him.

  • fusilier

    If the Pope’s science guru believes in Gaia, he is a pagan, not an atheist.

    • stevden

      its actually cool for Atheists to play coy with marginal religious playacting. It turns out when the mask comes off…Atheists actually only have a problem with Christianity.

      • Evolution of Devolution

        Many proclaimed atheists are in fact anti-theists.

        • Danceswithdachshunds

          Ain’t that the truth!

        • stevden

          I consider them obsessives. They are actually obsessed with “religion”. They use the term “religion” but it mostly always turns out to be just simply Christianity that they are obsessed over.

  • lonewolf1211

    It sounds like this nut job has watched ‘Avatar” and “The Day After Tomorrow” one to many times.

    • vb_guy

      Another global warming champion, Cameron, the director of obscenely indulgent and wasteful fantasy movies ….

      And these people sermonize about the environmnet, it’s rather shocking

  • Peter1951

    Garbage in…garbage out

  • dontbslow

    Taking advice from a pagan is bad enough, especially when you’re the
    head of the entire Catholic church. But to not allow any of the 34,000 scientists, who disagree with you, to attend your encyclical is more narcissistic than I care for a Pope to be.

  • fairtv

    The Pope should stick to religion.

  • Jeff Justice

    In the beginning…Gaia created God.

  • Danceswithdachshunds

    If CO2 was so bad how come Amazon sells CO2 generators?

  • cdw

    These are the dark, evil, corrupt, lawless, violent, racist, vile, deceitful Obama times.

    The worst Obama times are still to come.

    • vb_guy

      obama, climate change warrior, doing his part by burning 100s of gallons of AF1 fuel, in order to golf in a desert …

      The progressives don’t even bother to try to put up appearances, they don’t have to, they have all the useful-idiots in their pockets

  • Danceswithdachshunds

    The commie shills shout at me that receding glaciers are “bad” despite that some are revealing the remains of forests that used to be there 1000 years ago before the Little Ice Age.

    Is it just me or do others prefer living forests to lifeless glaciers?

  • rawheadrex1

    Humans exhale it as part of their lives; plants absorb it to help them grow and “exhale” oxygen as part of their lives. It is damnable, devilish exchange perfectly indicative of the evil of God’s creations. Give me a break you people who stretch for something to replace communism as a means to control people.

  • vb_guy

    Who wants to bet the MSM picks up on this … no one? didn’t think so

  • moonma

    The Pope keeps giving more ammunition to his God-hating cronies to bash Christians all over the internet. He may be the Anti-Christ!

  • Sterling Headset

    Fast track for the trade bill just passed. We’ve got much bigger problems than a Pagan posing as the Pope and an LSD fan that believes in Fairies and Wood Sprites.

  • Dutch Savage

    Well if we didn’t chop down 75% or more of the planet’s trees… Will God clean up all of our messes? I don’t want scientist lying for a globalist government, but I don’t want a bunch of morons thinking we can just $h1t where we eat and everything will be just fine. It’s like we have to join a global communist weather cult, or we have to be ignorantly carefree and claim God will make it all better.

    • Sterling Headset

      Dutch,
      Please site 1 credible source for your claim that we have cut down 75% of the planet’s trees.

      You do realize that if you started counting tomorrow, there would be billions of new trees by the time you finished counting for the day don’t you?

      • Dutch Savage

        Millions of trees grown to be chopped down….. Sterling, please investigate into the reduction of trees due to them being used for paper and building lumber in the past 200 years on your own. This way you’ll find out for yourself instead of thinking that I’m lying to you. Where do you think all of these paper products, toothpicks, lumber, etc comes from buddy? We could have started using hemp and recycled plastic, but the lumber industry would lose a lot of money, so guess what, they use their money to influence laws and make you think I’m a left wing tree huger who hates God…

        • Danceswithdachshunds

          Trees for paper and lumber are managed forests not clear cut for farming biofuel crops or erecting solar or wind farms.

          • Dutch Savage

            We don’t even need trees for paper or lumber. One acre of hemp makes the same amount of paper as for acres of trees. Your privacy fence can be made of plastic, along with your deck, and the framing of many homes. Even for those in fear of using plastic could use bamboo. We have a lot of better resources, but we struggle to change because of the money and greed involved with the process.

          • Danceswithdachshunds

            Coal is what already saved the forests a long time ago to use as fuel and provide cheap steel in place of wood for building large structures. My wooden fence will rot no differently than a fallen tree – and you seem to be barking up a wrong one.

          • Dutch Savage

            Coal is why all the mountains where I live are gone. You seem to think you have me figured out, but trust me you don’t.

          • Danceswithdachshunds

            The way mining companies restore forests after strip mining coal these days – nobody would guess the “mountain” was ever there ten years later.

          • Dutch Savage

            We must be driving through different mountains. No one would guess a mountain was ever there, because it’s completely gone…lol!

          • Dutch Savage

            Why are you telling me about coal? See, you are making assumptions about me.

          • Dutch Savage

            I see you have an axe to grind but it isn’t with me. Stop assuming you know me, or what my political views are.

          • Danceswithdachshunds

            Stop expecting others to do your leg work for you and cite your sources for: “the reduction of trees due to them being used for paper and building lumber in the past 200 years”

            – and stop whining too.

          • Dutch Savage

            What are you talking about? I never expected… Like I said or wrote, you have made some assumptions, and you’re barking up the wrong tree….

          • Danceswithdachshunds

            Sterling Headset to Dutch Savage – Dutch, Please site 1 credible source for your claim that we have cut down 75% of the planet’s trees.

            I merely repeated Sterling’s request in so many words. The only assumption by either of us was in sticking around believing that you might ever back up your lame claim.

          • Dutch Savage

            Would you even believe me anyway?…

          • Danceswithdachshunds

            “Would you even believe me anyway?”

            Bzzzzt! Fail! We ALREADY do not believe you Dutch – if we had we would not have asked you to BACK IT UP with a source in the first place!.

          • Dutch Savage

            Who is we? Speak for yourself. Plenty of others I’ve communicated with on this page have stopped the assumptions, and false accusations, and have had a rational conversation with me. You only speak for yourself.

          • Danceswithdachshunds

            We = Sterling Headset & I because BOTH of us asked you to back up your claim. Given that in all this time you have failed to produce one iota of evidence to either of us.

            It’s nothing personal, (I wouldn’t know you if I tripped over you), but I can only conclude that you are a liar who makes stuff up to suit your ego. Why persist in defending your dishonesty? It’s getting you no where…

          • Dutch Savage

            Sure, I was done talking with you a long time ago. I know that you know everything, and have made your mind up that you know me and what I think. Take care.

          • Danceswithdachshunds

            I already said that I don’t know you but will offer some advice anyway, life is a whole lot easier when you’re honest.

          • Dutch Savage

            You still haven’t got the hint, our talking about this subject matter when you started making assumptions and false accusations. I don’t give a rats @$$ about what you say or think now. You made it impossible to have a conversation.

        • Red47

          Paper products and toothpicks as well as some lumber come from tree farms. Miles and miles of trees farmed just for this purpose line the roads in the South alone.

          • Dutch Savage

            So what? So you call a acre of forrest a farm and now it’s a better option? Why aren’t we changing over to hemp, bamboo, and plastic? One acre of hemp produces the same amount of paper as four acres of trees. Do you consider the rain forrest in South America to be a farm as well? Why in the world is so much of the rain forest being plundered? We can make some changes can’t we?

          • Red47

            The rain forest is being cut down for ag, if I remember correctly. My point is that you were barking about trees being used (sorry for the pun, sort of) and the trees used are raised for that purpose.

          • Dutch Savage

            Why are we using trees when we have better options?

          • Red47

            Hemp use is on the rise. People are fighting petroleum products tooth and nail screeching “Big Oil”. (Someone needs to tell them Big Oil IS Big Green.) So basically, the hemp part is catching on, the petroleum part is under fire and there is nothing wrong with tree farms, so why the heartburn?

          • Dutch Savage

            Wait, why are you talking about oil? See I’m under fire by a lot of replies from people making assumptions about me. Why are we using trees when we’ve known for a very long time that there are so many better options? Yes there’s something wrong with tree farms, they are inferior options in many ways. Hemp alone grows faster, is cheaper, takes up less land, and isn’t no where as dangerous to harvest compared to chopping trees down.

          • Red47

            The history of hemp in the country is an interesting one. I am sure you are aware it was outlawed largely because of the interests of Big Cotton. I not an anti-hemp person. I don’t really understand why it hasn’t been brought back into production. I would imagine it is political. If it does what the pulpwood farms do and grows where they grow, why not replace them? It makes sense. The industries can retool and reset their business plans, so that wouldn’t be too catastrophic.

          • Dutch Savage

            People are just as brainwashed about hemp as the people pushing global warming. They think they are absolutely right, and no one can tell them different.

          • Red47

            I agree wholeheartedly.

          • Red47

            …and I am right! 😛

          • Red47

            I just noticed you are using his actual photo! I remember my Dad taking us to wrestling matches when we were kids. Two of my very favorites were Dutch Savage and Jimmy Snuka. 🙂

          • Dutch Savage

            Yelp, he was cool.

    • Danceswithdachshunds

      The cleanest countries are precisely those who can AFFORD to care about ecology because they produce a surplus via a free market capitalist society using cheap FF energy.

    • Danceswithdachshunds

      They are cutting down trees for the EVIL practice of growing food to feed to machines not people! That is already starving the third world and destroying some rain forests to grow palm oil for Richard Branson’s jets.

      The UK is buying wood from the US and Canada to burn in converted power plants instead of coal! … because wind power isn’t working out for them…

    • stevden

      We have more forestation than we had 100 years ago. There is no problem with deforestation in the USA.

      • Dutch Savage

        I’m pretty sure I included the whole world. Yes the U.S. is starting to replace the tress they chopped down a hundred or more years ago, which is great. Now the American lumber companies just pillage the forest of South America, just like the American companies who use cheap slave labor over seas instead of paying Americans a decent wage. Let me guess now I’m a communist union worker, or a tree hugger?

    • Harold

      Accurate reading of the Bible tells you; “God does NOT just make it better.” HE does NOT play that game!

      • Dutch Savage

        That would suggest that we are left to do for ourselves!

        • Harold

          You do understand what this life is?? Right???

          This s all out of the Bible.

          OT and NT BOTH! Man does not live by bread alone, BUT by every WORD that comes from the mouth [THE Scriptures!] of God.

          I am a FORMER very VERY anti-Christian who in trying to DISPROVE it [said it was fairy tales] to a future wife actually found out that history, linguistics, archaeology ALL actually back it up.

          ANYWAY, to paraphrase Jesus; “WHY do you worry about things that DO NOT MATTER?”

          You were told several times what mattered. every WORD !!!

          In 100 quadrillion, trillion [Of course we will be OUTSIDE time/space!!!] yeasr only [ONLY] 11 words will mean anything to you. What you understand and DO WITH!!!

          1-4 In the beginning God
          5-11 “WHO do you say that I am?”

          This life is only the blink of an eye out of eternity!!! BUT those ELEVEN words determine WHERE you spend it!! NO! You are not left to yourself, MY GOD has been very present every step!

          • Dutch Savage

            So Jesus doesn’t care if we $h1t this world up? What are you trying to tell me? Have you got to the part of the Bible that tells you to plant a tree?

          • Harold

            “What you understand and DO WITH!!! ”

            DO WITH!

            ” $h1t this world up?”

            Have you ever read any of the Bible?

            Actually the WHOLE Bible demands that we do everything well, especially where that means loving God [1st] + every man!

            But the first commandment is; “Be fruitful and multiply.” The second “Great Commandment” was “love thy neighbor, [EVERY MAN] as thyself!”

            God hates “arrogance” the “love of money” gluttony & covetousness! He also hates putting “things” [that applies to “nature”] ahead of Himself AND Men!

            No, He demands that if you love Him, you will take care of men [1st] and nature. And He, not man controls the climate!

            But all that considered, THIS is still just kindergarten.

          • Dutch Savage

            I’ve read much of the Old and New Testament. Are you saying “Be fruitful and multiply” is in the Ten Commandment, or you’re just calling it a commandment? Have you got to the part about growing trees yet?

  • Danceswithdachshunds

    There is no greater harm that can be brought upon a people than to convince them that they will never be able to better their condition – precisely what the Pope is telling the 3rd world. He is DENYING them the right to do what we already did ~150 years ago – advance their living condition to western standards using cheap FF energy.

    Maybe this Pope wants them to remain poor so he can keep saying that he prays for therm?

  • Debbie

    So a guy who grovels to an imaginary invisible magic sky spirit is taking advice from a guy who grovels to an imaginary invisible magic earth spirit, and people who are engaged in debates over climate change policies are taking them seriously. You couldn’t make this $hlt up.

    • Harold

      And, it is the ILLITERATE dullard like you who got us here!

    • Erich

      Nothing better to do tonight Debbie, why not leave us idiots in peace?

      • Debbie

        I didn’t call anybody an idiot. I’ve known some very bright people who grovel to invisible magic spirits. Even Isaac Newton was a god groveler.

      • Red47

        Why is it that the insult is inferred and not said outright the insulter claims no insult occurred? I don’t understand how they think no one noticed.

        • Cletus B Neckbeard

          LOL

          • Red47

            What? Did I say that out loud?
            Let me say this in my special code. “You are a donkey.”
            What? What jackass? Rock on CBN.

          • Cletus B Neckbeard

            Ha ha. This is a strange and mysterious land, these interwebzz.

          • Red47

            People are strange when you’re a stranger.

    • stevden

      So how many millions and millions of people listen to your every word and follow your teachings? Seeing as how you have a hard time understanding why anyone would take the Pope seriously?

      • Debbie

        New rule: Only people with millions of followers are allowed to mock people who have millions of followers.

        • stevden

          except of course you were mocking the fact that we have to take them “seriously”. I don’t have to take you seriously. I do unfortunately have to take the Pope of the Catholic Church seriously.

          Oh And I mock him as well.

  • Cajun Exile

    This Pope continues to be a disappointment to his order, his office and his faith….

    • Jughead417

      You’ve got two out of three correct–the last two. He is a hero of his Order. They couldn’t be happier.

      • Cajun Exile

        Liberation Theology was all the rage with the Jesuits in South and Central 30 years ago. It has fallen out of favor quite a bit since the 30. Francis unfortunately is a holdover….

  • odysseus660

    Liberals and Democrats wish that the United States decline in its dominance. So you get the IDIOTS to vote Democrat, pay more taxes and re[produce less while allowing Africa to multiply like rabbits. With European dominance the WHITE race has invented everything. Unfortunately, to Obama, UN, IMF, communists and the liberals, the black man will never reach the innovation brought by the WHITE man. The best invention a black man has done is invent peanut butter. Don’t get me wrong, there is absolutely nothing wrong with capitalism or a free market system. But Obama is a racist and he wants to import immigrants to this country and brown Amerika. The only thing that will come out of it is the downfall of Amerika. Sorry Obama, your plan will fail miserably.

    • Danceswithdachshunds

      “Sorry Obama, your plan will fail miserably.”

      Well no he won’t – his plan IS to destroy the USA! He’s a poser.

    • Cletus B Neckbeard

      More amazing yet is that all of these “big picture” folks always seem to overlook that, globally, the level at which they all claim to view the world as they so gratuitously seek their (affectations of) gravitas, Whites are the minority. So, does anyone really think any of this has to do with equality among the races?

  • Harold

    Well, according to Daniel 7’s “little horn” AND Revelation 13’s ‘vicarus filii dei” the pope is ANTI- Christ so what is the surprise here?

    • John Wayne

      hmm, that is a possibility.

  • Danceswithdachshunds

    I think somebody ought to shut off the Vatican’s fuel supply and electric service to teach this pope a lesson.

  • Jasonn

    Comrade Francis has his head up and locked. It is not a good thing for the Church, or for the parishioners.

  • Michael K

    So the Pope and Hans Schellnhuber apparently believe the same thing.

  • Tattooed

    Pope wants a taste of that climate change money.

  • osu84

    Schellnhuber is one of many on the scientific council. If the Vatican stacked the deck with traditional Christians no one on the secular side would pay attention to its findings. Read the encyclical letter in its entirety before panicking! There’s less there than the media says and no real changes from Benedict or JP2.

    • stevden

      As much as the Christian Church has contributed to science by founding and building prestigious universities, colleges, research centers, medical centers, and hospitals…over the last few hundred years and in the modern era. There should be absolutely no concern whatsoever of being “taken Seriously” in regard to science or nature. Christianity has indeed earned the right to be taken seriously.
      Atheists have not ACTUALLY contributed nearly as much so why are they allowed to presume to be “Taken Seriously”.

      • osu84

        I agree. Copernicus was a cleric and a Christian as was Galileo. And only secularist morons think the Church taught that the earth was flat – it never did. Almost all the great universities were founded by the Church. Still, the Vatican must let scientists with diverse views on the panel. I’m not bothered in the least about the presence of Schellnie (who seems a bit odd to me). I am bothered that climate skeptics may have been barred.

        • pkaboo

          Your last sentence should convince you there’s every reason to NOT take your original comment in the least bit seriously. There’s NO “may have been barred” about it.

          • osu84

            There most certainly is a MAY. That you don’t take objective facts seriously is your concern not mine.

          • pkaboo

            “The speakers for the workshop were carefully chosen to include no dissenters from global warming orthodoxy, and the uninvited skeptics who came to listen were silenced when they tried to raise questions that challenged some of the positions being put forward.”

            http://www.breitbart[dot]com/national-security/2015/04/29/vatican-climate-workshop-pressures-pope-francis-to-go-full-warmist/

          • osu84

            Yes. Breitbart is right. Come to think of it I have a science degree, am a skeptic and wasn’t invited!

          • pkaboo

            Well, if you have a science degree, we can assume you know the difference between “invited” and “UNinvited”? Or is that a little too nuanced for you?

          • osu84

            Not in the least. Read the encyclical pkaboo. It may help you feel better.

  • Voltair

    Look as though this Pope may just finish off what is left of the Catholic Church……!

    • gildersleeve

      He is learning from Obama.

    • osu84

      Sure Voltair – You are aware that all projections from every demographic study show worldwide Catholic population increasing in the aggregate? Take a trip to Africa or Asia sometime. All institutions in the West are in decline – not just the Church.

      • wxman

        Yeah, growing only in the 3rd world. The Church needs lots of moola from the European and American Catholics, but they are bailing out of this socialist scam and aren’t tithing anymore. Maybe the Vatican should open up their vaults and sell off all their gold chalices and jewels to feed their new 3rd world followers, but don’t hold your breathe, they’re hypocrites.

        • osu84

          Umm. It’s generally a good idea to grow where there is growth! And the gold chalice and jewels aren’t theirs to sell. You and I can see them for free or about 5 euros – as of this past august. Selling them to a millionaire will increase the entry fee. But don’t let logic ruin your day waxie!

  • Ken3690

    Such a child. Taken in by pretty words and seemingly oblivious to the teachings of 2,000 years of Christian teaching.

  • gildersleeve

    I would expect nothing less from this Pope. He does not know gitty up from woooooaaa.

  • Danceswithdachshunds

    The choice seems to be to either believe that God created this universe or believe that it happened by “chance”.

    To believe in chance would be to expect a coin to always come up heads if you flipped it trillions upon trillions of times so that’s why I believe God created the universe, it’s too perfect, too precise to have happened by chance. (Don’t you think it’s more than a little “fishy” that we still haven’t determined the exact value of pi at over a trillion places despite knowing that it INDEED HAS TO HAVE an exact value? Hmm.. perhaps the exact value is not “of this world”?)

    So the next question is WHY and my belief is that God created the universe for the purpose of LIFE (all life, not just ours and not necessarily life only on this one planet). I believe God had the fore-knowledge that life would evolve, that intelligent beings would come to pass and God’s intention from the beginning of time was to give life, including ours, FREE WILL.

    Our forefathers nailed that concept in our Declaration of Independence – “.. that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights,
    that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness”

    This God given earth is therefore OURS to use. Everything we have comes from it, our food and our building materials – SO WHY NOT ITS ENERGY? .. and why does this so called pope believe God did not intend it to be there for our use?

  • Carl Mertz

    What a sad day in the History of the Caholic Church. When the foolish elect a fool to run a group of good Holy People who need leadership but only find a Pope more interested in Media Fame and Liberal lies.

  • JWales

    They are scam artists trying to fleece the flock for the totalitarian Globalists.

  • JWales

    Read about the progression of the Russian Revolution/Civil War 1917-1922 and the following consolidation under Stalin…read about what happened to those that questioned the prevalent, orthodox ideology of those years, it will chill your bones…well, what is happening right now has worrisome similarities. Will there be a place to hide?

  • srlucado

    See what happens when you put a Jesuit in charge?

    • ET

      You nailed that. A Liberation Theology Marxist at that. A true Useful Idiot. Barrack Obama might as well be Pope. Or Fidel Castro. Hopeless.

  • ET

    Pope Francis is a Marxist Useful Idiot Imbecile.

  • MarkSRobertson

    I keep trying to give Pope Francis the benefit of the doubt, but my resolve is weakening as I continue to have to.

    • Asa Canaway

      I don’t have to, I’m not Catholic. I understand, I tried to give him the benefit of the doubt, as I’m married to a Catholic, but he’s lost that benefit. I’m just disappointed with Pope Benedict for stepping down.

  • PabloKOh

    You don’t actually think people as educated as priests actually believe in invisible spirit men do you? They know the truth about the world but they do what they do for the paycheck and the fringe benefits, just like you.

    • El_Tigre_Loco

      Just like global warming scientists. The money is in promoting it. Grants are rare for global warming skeptics.

  • Nanky52

    The Pope was lambasting the U.S. the other day for not entering WWII sooner and saving the Jews that were killed by Hitler. He said it was the U.S. fault that all the Jews died. He failed to mention that he grew up in Argentina during that time and Argentina was the host to many Nazi’s fleeing Germany. Then he gets on his global warming kick and blames the “Western” countries for all the ills of the world. Doesn’t talk about the role the Catholic Church played historically or the energy needed to “take care of” the Vatican and the resources they waste each and every day. Pope Francis is a hypocrite like every other left leaning liberal.

    • Michelle P

      Where did you read this?

      • Tim Paul

        Michelle, don’t be so lazy. Google it.

      • LeaveAdisasterForU

        I read it. He said it. Don’t you read anything ?

  • Michelle P

    Can someone provide any specific action that this Pope has taken to promote One World theology? All that has been reported are interpretations of his message which are completely distorted and inconsequential. Has the pope allowed homosexuality? Has he advocated taking to the streets? Other than the subject matter of the lurid headlines regarding the Catholic church, nothing has changed, unlike EVERY other religion out there. For the sake of His sorrowful passion may God have mercy on us all.

    • Erich

      He has attcked free-market capitalism.

      • Michelle P

        Can you give me a specific instance of this? That said, if you define free market capitalism as Wall Street, it is ridiculously corrupt and has become crony cleptocracy. EVERY Wall Street bank has been laundering billion$ of criminal money with impunity. Swissleaks and the Andorra scandal, along with the plethora of tax shelters under British jurisdiction are an indication that the criminals are running the show. Andorran tax shelters were caught funneling money into political coiffeurs around the world.

        • El_Tigre_Loco

          It has been forever thus.

      • Gary

        Is “free market capitalism” your god?

        • LeaveAdisasterForU

          Looks like the Pope is enjoying it. Lives pretty cushy.

        • VESENG

          Is Marx yours?

    • LeaveAdisasterForU

      Maybe you will get the message when he Baptizes Martians. Because, that’s what he said he would do in a homily.

    • stevenskane

      This is a legitimate question. True, the Pope has not directly advocated “taking to the streets,” but his message implies that there is an unfair distribution of wealth which demands some remedy. Since people who are wealthy, or, who meet some definition of being wealthy because they are not destitute, are not likely to simply give their money and property to others, the process of curing the supposed unequal distribution must include use of institutional force through taxation or governmental confiscation, or, violent revolution. So, the message of “liberation theology” is that it is God’s will that some kind of force be used to divest so called “wealthy” people of their property in favor of those who have less. Accordingly, it is clear that the Pope, as a matter of biblical interpretation, supports taking wealth from some and giving it to others because in the judgment of others they “need” it. If you believe that this is an acceptable moral and ethical choice sanctioned or even encouraged by God, you will applaud the Pope’s statements. If not, you will not.

      • Michelle P

        His message has been twisted into something else. The catholic church has always been enemy #1 of communists, and will always advocate for the poor. The demonic forces that want to enslave us since the days of Napoleon are EU aristocrats who fear the peasants. Napoleon was given orders to destroy the vatican, and he did everything but that. The EU Oligarchs fear the church, the peasants, and want to rule the world. The media is controlled and none of us are as free as we tink we are.

      • VESENG

        As always, those who advocate for forced virtue forget that forced virtue is not virtue at all. We were given free will by G-d for a reason, that being so we could choose virtue so then it can be true virtue.

    • The_RS_Gadfly

      That he has advocated adopting the AGW agenda of the commie left is not refuted by the addition of other agenda items which conflict with them. Adopting that agenda in any way is sufficient to mark him as ungodly. Whether he is a false Pope matters not to me as I am not Catholic. However I must object to him using his apostolic seat to preach sin to the faithful.

  • eyesjamesq

    What’s the big deal, the Pope thinks he is God on earth.

    • LeaveAdisasterForU

      Just because he believes that, does not mean everyone does.
      There’s Crazy Check people that walk around and think they are Vladimir Lenin in NYC.

    • Gary

      The KKK has always hated Catholics.

      • LeaveAdisasterForU

        Isn’t that something. The psyco guy in Charleston “Roof” could not find any real live “skin heads” nor “KKK”.

        • Gary

          Guess he didn’t know where you lived.

          • rs1123

            Wow is this tiresome.

  • LeaveAdisasterForU

    This is what the UN AGENDA 21 is all about. Georgia Guidestones Commandment Number One people.

    • Gary

      Nutcase.

      • LeaveAdisasterForU

        I know you are, but what am I ?

        • Gary

          Apparently 11 years old.

          • LeaveAdisasterForU

            Somebody smack U up side the head one too many times and turn your brains into scrambled eggs there boy.

          • Gary

            Another brilliant response. Now you are just getting downright pathetic. Do you realize how many people are laughing at YOU?

  • Gary

    This is propaganda pandering to the lowest, most manipulative uninformed and easily fooled public. Shame on these evil people. I’m no Catholic, I’m an agnostic, but the lies, hatred and deliberate misinformation here is appalling!
    And the motive? THE ALMIGHTY DOLLAR!! Sure, kill and destroy to make a buck and the hillbillies cheer it on. News flash! Your day will come, mark my words. You WILL pay.
    And no amount of money will save you, your wives or children. That’s justice. Count on it.

    • Michelle P

      Amen, no matter what you believe in, actions have consequences -always. Karma knows no mercy, and the calumny of the evil tongues will be returned to senders and their offspring. I’ve seen it a million times. So sad.

      • LeaveAdisasterForU

        Don’t “Amen” me, don’t include ALL MEN in your insane asylum mind set.

        • Michelle P

          Clearly your name is not Gary. I wasn’t talking to you. I think the demons in your brain are playing tricks on you. Stay away beelzebub.

          • LeaveAdisasterForU

            I don’t care if you were talking to me with your Incubus/Succubus mouth or not.
            Go worship LA SANTA MUERTE that’s the fastest growing Mexican and Mexican American Saint there is.

    • LeaveAdisasterForU

      Blithering idiot super long tome

    • Asa Canaway

      Is this your rebuttal?

    • txsrangers

      Well, it pissed you off. That’s good enough for me.

  • Gary

    You can always tell when a story is linked to Drudge. The nuts, the paranoid cowards come out, furiously pounding their keyboards. Hilarious, pathetic, IMPOTENT powerless nutcases.
    The DUMBEST, most cowardly people on the planet, not Americans, but fascist traitors, right wing authoritarians.

    • LeaveAdisasterForU

      Did they serve you Green Jello and Tapoica Pudding on the Short Bus ?

      • Gary

        Proof of my statement.
        All they can do is post stupid people’s ideas of insults. Too stupid to even be aware and embarrassed by their own stupidity. Pathetic.

        • Asa Canaway

          Actually, it was you who began with the insults, or perhaps you should reread your post.

          • Gary

            It’s a statement of fact. Normal, rational people laugh at the nutcase paranoid far right.

          • Asa Canaway

            You obviously have a problem with distinguishing between fact and opinion. I have no more to say because you are the greatest argument against yourself and your supposed rationality.

          • LeaveAdisasterForU

            It’s a fact that you pray to candles and plaster statues. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

          • Gary

            Yeah, this guy comes off as completely rational, educated and sane.
            Crazy people NEVER think they are crazy.

          • LeaveAdisasterForU

            I don’t get Martha Monthly Cra Cra Checks, you do.

          • LiblabItis

            … and @ssholes never think they’re mistaken. Who pissed in your cherrios gary?

          • Gary

            I merely pointed out how stupid Drudgebots are.
            It’s pretty well known!

          • txsrangers

            Like I say…
            You really know how to prove someone else’s point.

        • LeaveAdisasterForU

          You believe in GAIA Hypothesis ? Pantheism ?
          Then you are the “stupid” that should be “embarrassed”, or am I talking back to a reincarnated Rock ?

          • Gary

            With every post you come off dumber and dumber…but you are too DUMB to realize that! HILARIOUS!
            Rave on nutcase!

          • LeaveAdisasterForU

            If that’s your Crazy Check opinion, I’m doing real well then.

    • Gazoo1

      Tell us how you really feel Gary. Maybe psychotherapy will be a better outlet for you to vent and receive real help for your childish outbursts.

      • Gary

        Sure. Brilliant Drudgebot!

        • LeaveAdisasterForU

          Media Matters Bot

        • Gazoo1

          Please discuss wit the nature of this article only and not compromise our integrity.

        • Gazoo1

          Please discuss the nature of this article only. Thank you.

    • txsrangers

      So happy the intellectual elitist Gary is here to dazzle us with his masterful display of superior intelligence. Always a joy to watch him work.

      • Gary

        Thanks, your post did nothing to disprove what I say!
        AND, I am VERY superior to you!

        • txsrangers

          Keep telling yourself that, keyboard warrior.
          And you disprove what you say by default to sane people.

          • Gary

            Sure.Deal, OK?
            Sane? HILARIOUS?
            Aren’t you worried about that Kenyan kommie Obama takin’over Texuz? Is the guard surrounding the Wallmarts?

          • txsrangers

            Not really.
            What else ya got?

  • LeaveAdisasterForU

    Pope=====> UN AGENDA 21 Derp

    • Michelle P

      “For our wrestling is not against flesh and blood, but against principalities and powers, against the rulers of this world of darkness, against the spirits of wickedness in the high places.” Also vital to the description of a demon is that the demon by a free will act turned from good, the natural state of God’s creation of which the demon is a part, to embrace evil (Aquinas, p. 452). Though there are many demons, they describe themselves as legion in Mark’s Gospel 5:10, “since there are many of us,” they are all in effect minions of Satan who desired to rule like God over a multitude of angels (Aquinas, p. 467).

      • LeaveAdisasterForU

        Read the bible Derp. “Aquinas” is a powdered corpse.

    • Gary

      Alex Jones called, he needs more of your money! Buy some penis meds OK?

      • LeaveAdisasterForU

        I read the EARTH SUMMIT UN AGENDA 21 at the United Nations website, not on Alex Jones website.
        Go read some Gibberish Neighborhood of Make Believe pray to some deceased person prayers.

      • Gary

        Sorry, even Alex doesn’t sell his snake oil crap to 11 year olds! And, you are the ONLY kid ever rejected by a blow up doll!

  • 1984isnow

    The pope should be impeached along with the N word user in the white house. Two complete losers.

    • LeaveAdisasterForU

      They certainly are professional Treasonists.

      • Gary

        Treasonists huh? Too funny.

        • LeaveAdisasterForU

          Funny to a Tard like you. Go, go pray to your Plaster Statues and light candles that are supposed to give you power and crap.
          What a Derp
          Go, give money to your Con Man IL Po Po so he can live rich for awhile, cause he gonna’ take a Dirt Nappy po just like any other regular human. Just not soon enuf

          • Michelle P

            Another indication of a demonic presence is addressed by the French philosopher Louis Lavell in Evil and Suffering (1963). He says that evil causes a separation of harmony either in the same being or between beings. This, he says, is:

            Because every bad will pursues isolated ends which, sacrificing the whole to the part, always contaminate the integrity of the whole and threaten to annihilate it. Evil always seeks to divide and destroy. Its actions create an interior rupture where perversity itself gives bitter pleasure. It causes conflict and enmity between persons creating harmony and discord. It militates against the common good.
            In my own experiences with the demonic it is often the backlash when the demon is outed or confronted by truth that has been the greatest indicator of its presence. To speak the truth in love is abhorrent to a demon. This is especially true when the demon is recognized or Satan is identified as the root of the problem. The reaction is sometimes subtle and sometimes violent, but an attack will follow. I do not mean physically, although sometimes this may happen, but usually by an assault on the person’s character or some other diversion that will remove the protagonist from doing battle with the demon. Priests are especially susceptible to this since Holy Orders which configures them more radically to Christ makes them bearers of the Truth in a most powerful way. This is a warning — every priest is a prime target of Satan. After all, did he not tempt Christ in the desert? Satan will try to get a priest any way he can, simply for doing his job! This will be especially obvious when one is defending or trying to preserve a Catholic belief, a truly Catholic institution, or an innocent person. Speaking truth, however, is not limited to religious matters. It may be simply articulating ethics for good human behavior. Once again, through the Holy Spirit’s gifts of understanding and right judgment, insight and good advice on life’s issues that will bring about peace and goodness is a thwart to Satan’s plan.

          • LeaveAdisasterForU

            zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

          • Scott

            Yes. Sleep. Sleep is good for you. You don’t want to wake up. Sleep.

          • Scott

            I pity and pray for those who ignore or cannot see the darkness spreading across the world. Of course ‘the world’ has always been the province of the father of lies but as mankind ‘each goes his own way’ the darkness is deepened and thickened. I wonder at the Creator’s work. I may cry out in my pain and at the pain of so many. But I trust Him. All is for the benefit of the remnant. What wondrous future is laid up for us? That such tempering is necessary to fashion the faithful.

          • txsrangers

            And Amen to that!

          • Gary

            Derp?
            Tard?
            Jeeezez H! You ARE 11 years old! You are in MIDDLE SCHOOL!
            Have fun in prison psycho! That’s your future!

          • LeaveAdisasterForU

            Oh, U gonna’ put me in “Prison” ?
            HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

          • Michelle P

            He’s possesed.

          • LeaveAdisasterForU

            I know you are, but what am I ?

  • bobh

    We are so deep into the hoax of man-made climate change the propaganda and propagandists
    Have become tipping points!

    • Gary

      I’m assuming you speak from your grammar school education?

      • txsrangers

        Typical liberal response. Insult the man and ignore the argument. I believe they call that “Ad Hominem”. You libs are a master at it.
        You have some serious self esteem issues there, Gary. Insulting people you don’t even know over the internet is a pretty transparent indication of your self hate. Try Conservatism. That tends to fix liberal misery.

        • Gary

          In other words, you lose!
          Can’t keep up! It’s OK little man. all you right wing mental cases come up….a little short!

          • txsrangers

            You really know how to prove someone else’s point, don’tcha kiddo?

      • bobh

        Trolling?

        • txsrangers

          Trolls gonna troll, don’t you know?

  • rs1123

    Huzzah, we may have the first Pope who needs to be excommunicated.

  • txsrangers

    A false religion has infiltrated the church of false religion. Meh.

  • LeaveAdisasterForU

    Next thing, Pope will start repeating Coo Coo For Co Co Puffs over & over

    • Gary

      I see Tommy Teenager has gone. Mom must have those tasty Swanson dinner ready! YEEEEEEHAW!

  • LiblabItis

    The Pope needs to stick with Poping … and looking in on the alter boys now and then to make sure they’re not being abused.

  • Erich

    careful what you wish for

  • RightPassage

    Actually its the popes spiritual adviser as the pope worships the world also.

    For they exchange the truth of God for a lie, worshiping and serving
    the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen.

    • txsrangers

      Amen.

      • Scott

        And AMEN to your Amen.

  • txsrangers

    So when the Pope lights a candle, does it contribute to “Papal Warming”?
    Sorry. I couldn’t help myself.

    • LeaveAdisasterForU

      I know huh

  • Arbite

    He’s an alarmist hoever ““All I said was that if we had unlimited global warming of eight degrees
    warming, maybe the carrying capacity of the earth would go down to just
    1 billion, and then the discussion would be settled.” And he has often
    said that this temperature tipping point would be reached — unless
    “actions” were taken.” is NOT the same claim as saying that the Innate and CURRENT “Carrying Capacity” is only 1 billion, or that reducing the present population to 1 billion would be the only way to stave off the “Disaster” he predicts.

    He is saying that AFTER the so-called “Disaster” he predicts OCCURS the “Carrying Capacity” would *DROP* to 1 Billion. (He may well secretly believe that we’re over capacity but he naturally wouldn’t say it out loud or cite a figure because then it’d look like a plan for genocide.)

    • Arbite

      Basically what I am saying is don’t deliberately misconstrue a point: it makes the entire article look like a poorly put together hit-piece.

  • jumpstart

    Seems the Vicar of Christ is now the Vicar of Satan.

    • Barlowmaker

      Or at the least he’s an Argentinian Marxist.

  • Ryan E

    Sorry but the Zionist Vatican scam and people who think they are legitimate Christians by doing everything Netanyahu wants are the problem. Not REAL Christians with backbones but the posers. All you can do is pray for these people. This pope is a fraud. Most likely transgender or something.

    • Gary

      I miss the old days when nutcase screeds like this used to be mimeographed and stapled to telephone poles!

      • txsrangers

        There’s those self esteem issues coming out again, Gary. Use your happy words to calm yourself down.

        • Gary

          Still can’t think of anything can you?

          • Ryan E

            Still a brainwashed bigot?

          • txsrangers

            Just tailoring my message to my vacuous audience.

      • Ryan E

        Says the fake Christian

        • Gary

          Bigot? Christian?
          I said VERY PLAINLY in my OP I was agnostic?
          More obvious STUPIDITY! Too hilarious!

          • txsrangers

            Laughing at yourself now?

          • Ryan E

            I would be. Pretty much all a soulless creep can do these days.

  • RON

    (NaturalNews) When drug companies are caught faking clinical trial data, no one is surprised anymore. When vaccine manufacturers spike their human trial samples with animal antibodies to make sure their vaccines appear to work, we all just figure that’s how they do business: lying, cheating, deceiving and violating the law.

    Now, in what might be the largest scientific fraud ever uncovered, NASA and the NOAA have been caught red-handed altering historical temperature data to produce a “climate change narrative” that defies reality. This finding, originally documented on the Real Science website, is detailed here.

    We now know that historical temperature data for the continental United States were deliberately altered by NASA and NOAA scientists in a politically-motivated attempt to rewrite history and claim global warming is causing U.S. temperatures to trend upward. The data actually show that we are in a cooling trend, not a warming trend (see charts below).

    This story is starting to break worldwide right now across the media, with The Telegraph now reporting (1), “NOAA’s US Historical Climatology Network (USHCN) has been ‘adjusting’ its record by replacing real temperatures with data ‘fabricated’ by computer models.”

    Because the actual historical temperature record doesn’t fit the frenzied, doomsday narrative of global warming being fronted today on the political stage, the data were simply altered using “computer models” and then published as fact.

    Here’s the proof of the climate change fraud

    Here’s the chart of U.S. temperatures published by NASA in 1999. It shows the highest temperatures actually occurred in the 1930’s, followed by a cooling trend ramping downward to the year 2000:

    The authenticity of this chart is not in question. It is published by James Hansen on NASA’s website. (2) On that page, Hansen even wrote, “Empirical evidence does not lend much support to the notion that climate is headed precipitately toward more extreme heat and drought.”

    After the Obama administration took office, however, and started pushing the global warming narrative for political purposes, NASA was directed to alter its historical data in order to reverse the cooling trend and show a warming trend instead. This was accomplished using climate-modeling computers that simply fabricated the data the researchers wished to see instead of what was actually happening in the real world.

    Using the exact same data found in the chart shown above (with a few years of additional data after 2000), NASA managed to misleadingly distort the chart to depict the appearance of global warming:

    The authenticity of this chart is also not in question. It can be found right now on NASA’s servers. (4)

    This new, altered chart shows that historical data — especially the severe heat and droughts experienced in the 1930’s — are now systematically suppressed to make them appear cooler than they really were. At the same time, temperature data from the 1970’s to 2010 are strongly exaggerated to make them appear warmer than they really were.

    This is a clear case of scientific fraud being carried out on a grand scale in order to deceive the entire world about global warming.

    EPA data also confirm the global warming hoax

    What’s even more interesting is that even the EPA’s “Heat Wave Index” data further support the notion that the U.S. was far hotter in the 1930’s than it is today.

    The following chart, published on the EPA.Gov website (4), clearly shows modern-day heat waves are far smaller and less severe than those of the 1930’s. In fact, the seemingly “extreme” heat waves of the last few years were no worse than those of the early 1900’s or 1950’s.

    Short-sighted agricultural practices cause more global warming than CO2

    Seeing these charts, you might wonder how the extremely high temperatures of the 1930’s came about. Were we releasing too much CO2 by burning fossil fuels?

    Nope. That entire episode of massive warming and drought was caused by conventional agricultural practices that clear-cut forests, poisoned the soils with chemicals and plowed the top soil away. Lacking trees to retain moisture, areas that were once thriving plains, grasslands and forests turned to desert. Suddenly, the cooling effects of moisture transpiration from healthy plant ecosystems was lost, causing extreme temperatures and deadly drought.

    Shortsighted agricultural practices, in other words, really did cause “warming,” while a restoration of a more natural ecosystem reversed the trend and cooled the region.

    Reforestation is the answer

    This brings us to the simple, obvious solution to all this. If you want to cool the planet, focus on reforestation efforts. If you want to retain moisture and keep your soils alive, you need diverse plant-based ecosystems, not clear-cut fields running monoculture operations.

    Forests act like sponges that soak up rainwater, and then they turn around and slowly release that water back into the air, “moisturizing” the atmosphere and keeping humidity levels high enough to support other nearby grasses, shrubs and plants. When you clear-cut forests — as has been done all across the world to make room for mechanized agriculture — you effectively raise temperatures by eliminating nature’s plant-based water retention and cooling systems.

    Industrialized farming, in other words, has already been historically shown to radically increase continental temperatures and “warm” the region. So why isn’t the White House warning the world about the dangers of industrialized agriculture?

    The answer: Because it doesn’t accomplish anything that’s politically important to this administration. It’s far more important to use the false panic of global warming to shut down clean coal power plants (U.S. coal plants are FAR cleaner than China’s) and drive the population into a state of subservient obedience through doomsday scare tactics.

    Now we conclusively know the government is lying about global warming

    As an environmentalist, I’m always concerned about pollutants and emissions, especially heavy metals being dumped into the atmosphere. But I’ve also learned over the years that almost everything the federal government aggressively promotes to the public is a blatant lie. Rarely does anything resembling the truth ever come out of Washington D.C.

    These people are experts at lying with bad science, hiding their deceptions behind the cover of “scientific thinking” and making outlandish claims such as saying that anyone who doesn’t believe their fabricated data must also believe the Earth is flat. Remember, the people who are telling you that burning fossils fuels is causing runaway global warming are the very same people who also claim mercury in vaccines is safe to inject in unlimited quantities, toxins in GMOs are safe to eat, chemotherapy works great for cancer patients and that there’s no such thing as any food or nutrient that prevents disease.

    These are the same government people who build massive networks of underground bunkers and caves in complete secrecy while publicly claiming preppers are conspiracy theorists. It’s the same government that lied about running inhumane medical experiments on prisoners via the National Institutes of Health, then got caught and had to apologize decades later.

    If you think this same government is telling you the truth about global warming, you probably need to have your head examined. But not by a government-licensed psychiatrist, or she’ll dose your head full of psychiatric medications that cause you to lose so much of your cognitive function, you’ll actually start to believe CNN’s broadcasts.

  • purple1960

    THIS IS THE LAST POPE,,,,,,HAPPY ARMAGEDEON……..

  • Nick

    Ha ha even the Pope can get scammed.

  • Shagnasty1

    The old 60s & 70s bumper sticker message “Question Authority” has sure taken on new life now that those who had the sticker on their VWs are in charge. That obviously includes this 3rd world idiot Pope. Of course now days if you are prominent and question Obama he will use the full force of our government to retaliate against you.

    • Jim H.

      The Pope is mislead about Global Warming, like so many others. His one paragraph out of 200 pages isn’t authoritative anyway. It is given as an example. He says in the document that the specific science isn’t as important as having the dialog. He also says there is room for all perspectives in this dialog.

      As a Jesuit, he most certainly isn’t an idiot. He has advanced degrees in Theology and Philosophy, in addition to his advanced degree in Chemistry. Jesuits are not stupid. Pope Francis presents himself as approachable and common, but most certainly he is not course or uneducated.

  • Gary Pifer

    Condemns guns, but has a private Army of Swiss Guards armed to the teeth with automatic weapons. Lives in a Palace and wears the finest silks and gold. Huge Carbon Footprint and lectures us.

    • txsrangers

      Caiaphas would be jealous.

    • Jim H.

      Do you really believe these stories? Avail yourself of the opportunity to read the actual documents. He doesn’t live in a palace. He lives in the guest quarters in a very small room. And his clothes are not silk and gold. In fact there was a picture recently of his white coat with a frayed sleeve. The vestments used during Mass aren’t either. A complete lie.

      It is his job to lecture us. The way people pollute the earth is an extension of the way we treat each other. It needs to be discussed. That’s the point of the document. Read it.

      • Scott Moon

        His job? I thought his job was to save souls. I mean he does claim he is infallible like all the other popes but he is noting special.

        • Jim H.

          The pope is a pastor. His job is to guide people to faith, hope and love in Jesus Christ. His comments are a reflection of what is already in the Compendium of Social Teaching of the Catholic Church. I urge you to read further. The Pope has the charism of infallibility, but that is only under very specific conditions on matters of faith and morals. None of that was invoked in this document.

          • Seattleite81

            Jim H., thanks for being a voice of sanity here. For what it is worth, I appreciate your comments and your attempt to educate. That said, for your own sanity, you know that this audience is not a “hill to die for.” The deaf minority of narrow thinkers on the page will not be swayed by truth and rationale and rational thought. ….just know when to punch out 🙂

          • Jim H.

            No worries. If I can shed the light of truth to even one person, its worth the extra time. The intelligent and well-meaning people here are outraged by something that if it were true – they would be justified in being outraged. 99% of this is misrepresented as something it is not. What a relief it would be when people really realize that the Pope and the Catholic Church aren’t the meanies everyone thinks they are.

          • VESENG

            Jim H. I appreciate your efforts. No, the Church and its Pope are not ‘meanies’ but they can and do make errors. Signing on to the AGW fraud is one such error. Is it sinful? Perhaps or perhaps not though it can and well might lead to sin.

          • Jim H.

            VESENG I appreciate your civil discourse. Of course outside of faith and morals, the people of the Church, including the Pope can and do make mistakes. No matters of faith were proposed in this encyclical, and certainly not AGW. The Pope clearly says that no specific science is advocated – he’s expressing his view, while welcoming others.

            The problem I have with comments in this combox isn’t because they discuss concerns, but that they make personal attacks on the Pope. And there are quite a few misunderstandings about what is stated and the authoritative weight of the document. What the Pope has to say overall is worth while – which is love one another by the way we handle our resources. I certainly wouldn’t lose sleep over any of this speculation.

          • VESENG

            I see your point though I just ignore the personal attacks on the Pope or in other threads the personal attacks on me. I just remember to try to not feed the trolls.

            When the Pope says love one another by the way we handle our resources I think that is fine. Where I think things go wrong is my impression from many of the things Francis has written (or perhaps signed off on) look like supporting socialism and disparaging capitalism. Of course, unbridled, any system is likely to do more harm than good. But history shows that socialistic systems do not work economically as well as tend to go totalitarian over time and more capitalistic systems work better economically.

            I also hear this at times on Sunday in homilies. It is disturbing to me and from their faces other congregants that I know create jobs for regular folks.

  • Gary

    You can always tell when a story is linked to Drudge. The nuts, the
    paranoid cowards come out, furiously pounding their keyboards.
    Hilarious, pathetic, IMPOTENT powerless nutcases.
    The DUMBEST, most cowardly people on the planet, not Americans, but fascist traitors, right wing authoritarians.

    • txsrangers

      You said that already, Gary.
      (why do I always hear SpongeBob saying your name when I type it?)

      • Gary

        You OFTEN hear SpongeBob in your head, that’s why.

    • Ryan E

      Gary were you tortured as a child?

      • txsrangers

        Not 100% sure he’s not still one, but if not, he sure tortures us as an adult.

        • Ryan E

          LOL, so much hatred almost safe to say Satan done took this one.

          • txsrangers

            Life is hard. It’s even harder when you’re stupid. Life will probably be miserable for him.

          • Gary

            Yep, pretty hard all right.
            Hilarious. Still trying to make me angry huh?
            I can’t say I admire your persistence, it just seems you aren’t bright enough to stay down when you are licked.
            Good for a laugh though!

          • rockribbedrushy

            Hey “Gary”, life is even harder when you are a Liberal Socialist Democrat, eh?

          • BigKnuckles

            …but liberals are always the smartest people in the room…just ask one

          • Seattleite81

            indeed we are

          • Gary

            Oooga Boooga! EVIL SPIRITS!
            Anothe religious nutcase!

          • rockribbedrushy

            Says the Secular Humanist, eh?

    • warmingsmorming

      I think you got that backwards . The philosophy of the right is not authoritarian ,it is by far the left that requires everybody to march in lockstep. your the paranoid nutcase chicken little that believes the sky is falling. Your side would require the government to dictate what kind of car we drive, how to heat or cool our homes, what kind of food to eat, where we get and how to pay for our health care , how to protect our families etc.etc.etc. people on the right are classic liberals the left are much closer to totalitarianism in the form of communism or national socialism. Dummy!

    • BigKnuckles

      Drudge thanks you for clicking on his link.

  • Jim H.

    You may really want to research the language used by St. Francis of Assisi. Pope Francis explains his use of that language in the document. It isn’t pantheism. Come on.

  • texanbynature

    Who can be surprised at the news the Pope depends on an atheist for science? Copernicus and Galileo, and all of the other inventors, scientists, explorers, and philosophers wrongly accused by the Church as being wrong and ungodly must surely be laughing wherever they are.

    Perhaps the Church should finally stay out of science, and focus on souls.

    • VESENG

      And the Church should also avoid politicized science even more than just plain science.

      Liberation theology which Pope Francis did fight is politicized theology and it seems to have some influence on his thinking. I would characterize liberation theology as a sort of mental addicting drug like other leftist political ideas. Like other addicting agents it can be quite appealing to certain people. People that want to help others as I assume Francis does are particularly vulnerable.

  • mr.Truth

    Who is Pope francis to judge a believer In gaia who is sincere and has good intentions ?

    • rockribbedrushy

      The road to Hades is paved with Good Intentions.

  • warmingsmorming

    God told Noah to get on the boat not to stop the flood. The boat is Jesus Christ . The pope Is obviously an agnostic that does not believe in the omnipotence of Christ.

  • MrJackAmano

    What’s the surprise? This Pope doesn’t seem to believe in God either. Or, more accurately, his God is Cultural Marxism.

    • libertarianmark

      Liberation Theology remains alive and had its roots in Communist Russia and the KGB.

      • Screwtape’s Nemesis

        Yes, but in fairness, this pope did combat Liberation Theology as a bishop in Argentina. He’s not my cup of tea, but he’s also not quite what the media portray him to be.

        • libertarianmark

          Gotta wonder who flagged my comment. Apparently the truth hurts.

          • Screwtape’s Nemesis

            Well, it wasn’t me, if that’s what you’re implying. And, yes, the truth certainly does hurt those with an agenda contrary to it.

          • libertarianmark

            No, I didn’t think it was. I replied to yours because the others were arguing against me.

      • Jim H.

        This is not liberation theology. Read the document.

        • For Catholics in the know, this is Teillhardism, a condemned heresy.

          • Jim H.

            How so?

          • Jim H.

            Feenyism is also a condemned heresy.

          • Mollie Norris

            Teillhard de Chardin didn’t advocate the murder of over 90% of the population as the Pope is through his support of the UN. He didn’t support a pagan heuristic like Gaia, similar to Ba’al worship. He didn’t support the replacement of free will and conscience by government policy as Pope Francis is.

    • Jim H.

      That is a complete unfair statement. How many documents or sermons have you heard? You are letting the secular media manipulate you.

      • Sox Celts

        Jim H. the man lives in a freaking PALACE and spent his WHOLE LIFE cared off the earnings of others….sounds like socialist government to me….oh and he also advocates Christians giving ALL disposable income away, easy to say when you have lived off others your entire adulthood…..in short this Pope SUCKS, fire him and get another one.

        • Jim H.

          Sox Celts, thanks for sharing your honest opinion. However, I have to differ that the man lives in a palace. He lives in Martha’s House, which is a guest apartment building. The previous popes lived in the Papal apartments, which are inside a large building, but not a palace. Neither the Catholic Church, nor the Pope, advocate giving everything away any more than Jesus himself advocate that. People must be detached from worldly goods because as Jesus said, it is harder for a rich man to get into heaven than a camel through the eye of a needle.

          As a Jesuit, he has taken a vow of poverty. He has no possessions of his own. He lives off of the charity of others, like a military person lives from his humble salary. The Jesuits I have known are not rich, they have no possessions nor do they desire them.

          It is worthwhile to take a close look at what the Pope has actually written. I took the time and read most of the new encyclical. It is worth a read. What he wrote is almost verbatim from existing Catholic Social Doctrine. It is worth a little more research than listening to either the conservatives or liberals who are offended by the Church.

          • Yes, and existing Catholic Social Doctrine is against the inspired words of God in the Bible in most instances.
            How anybody could follow a church that claims to change the Sabbath to Sunday is incomprehensible to me.

          • Jim H.

            That is a common argument, earlysda. I am familiar with the teachings of the Seventh Day Adventist Church which of course was started in the early 20th century by Ellen G. White. Ellen is notorious for her false teaching, and prophesies which have no relation whatsoever to the Holy Bible.

            On the other hand, the Catholic Church is guided by scripture. The scripture and the Apostolic Tradition both come to us from the Apostles, with the promise of Jesus that the moral teachings will not error. We are assured in Matthew 18, that any dispute (even those not solved by two ore more gathered in His name) should be solved by the Church, and St. Paul echos it in 1 Tim 3:15.
            You may want to reflect deeply on the non-salvific sacrifices of the Jews and how they looked forward to their 7th day of rest where they could receive instruction from God. This is the 7th day of the old creation. As Christians, it has always been obvious since Jesus’ resurrection on Sunday morning, that now we are a new creation in Him. Very clear in scripture. And we spend all 7 days of the week looking BACK to the event that saved us, and the life of grace that sustains us.

            The precept to keep the sabbath is kept and all of the law is fulfilled in the Catholic Church. How anyone could not participate in this life of Grace – and partake of the Lord in the New Manna of the New Passover for the New Exodus is beyond me.

            May God richly bless you.

          • How did the Catholic Church get an eraser to change what God wrote with his finger in stone?

          • Jim H.

            Why is the new covenant written in hearts and not in stone? Why are you living under the old covenant and not abiding in the New Creation, in Christ?

          • John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
            Don’t you love Jesus, Jim?

          • Hmmm… And who decided what books were to be included in that Bible? The Catholic Church of course… 1100 years before Luther went sola scriptura. So you either admit that the Catholic Church has the authority to make such infallible definitions, or you deny that Holy Scripture is infallible.

          • Were you not aware that the Holy Spirit decided what books should be in the Bible? What was officially decided by the Roman Catholic Church was long after the currently accepted canonical books were decided on.

          • Mollie Norris

            The deception is that the UN supports any policy consistent with Catholic Social Doctrine. The UN’s Agenda 21 is a policy created by the Illuminati elite to create a global fascist serf state in which self-determination, freedom of choice and freedom of thought are banned. Pope Francis is supporting a global atheistic regime in which government explicitly replaces the authority of God.

        • Most of the cardinals who elected him would do so if they could.

      • VESENG

        I do follow what Francis has written and see influences from liberation theology in his works. Yes he was tasked to fight this theology but it has influenced him, he had to rise in the Church in Latin America so had to take it seriously in order to do so.

  • Scott Moon

    Holy father? Nothing more than a man in robes and hats. Just a sinner like the rest of the world.

    • Jim H.

      He doesn’t claim not to be a sinner. He is a pastor. He goes to confession once a week.

    • Andrew Longmire

      Amen and Amen!

  • rockribbedrushy

    What’s the big surprise?

    The Boss hires those who believe as he does, non?

    And who does the pope serve, eh?

  • libertarianmark

    The Reformers were correct, the pope is Anti-christ.

  • Greg Rabinovich

    Holy clown!

  • Kaiser

    Wow, how amazing. The Pope and his “climate advisor”, sound like the Demorat Party of the US. You know, lying, hypocritical, pieces of garbage. What a fn surprise. Commie Pope, more like it.

    • emag

      You got that right.

  • KellyGregg1985

    I stuck with my religion and heritage through the molestation scandal. It was hard but I somehow managed. I just don’t have it in me to go through this again. I think I’ll eat a lot of peaches and get to Heaven on my own.

    • Shrugged

      Faith is not religion — and not all ordained religions are the same. Religion was invented by MAN not GOD. I would suggest a positive move on your part would be to strip out the MAN part and find the GOD.

      • Hmmm… so when God gave his commandments to Moses and the laws of Leviticus and Deuteronomy, He was not creating a religion… Nor was He doing so when He demanded the building of the Temple. When Christ said “Do this in memory of Me”, He was not demanding a new religious observance in place of the old. Do you sincerely believe in the Bible? I don’t think you do. So I’m cutting out the MAN part (yours) and finding the GOD part (divine revelation).

        • Shrugged

          No. A religious observance is NOT a religion. Your equating the historical events in your note to religion is quite a stretch really. What part of being beside Moses is reflected in a Catholic mass? Surely, Christ had key messages that have been sprinkled through various services – and many are trying to be authentic, but NONE should have an atheist as an adviser.

          • A religious observance is not a religion? By definition, it would not be a religious observance if it were not part of a religion. After all, “religious” just means “pertaining to a religion.” Your incoherence undoes you.
            No one is saying he should have an atheist as an advisor. That is a straw man.

          • Shrugged

            My point is clear – and undoes you, Jeff. A religious observance does NOT MAKE A RELIGION. An action may be deemed an observance of one religion or another, but that “religious observance” – by itself – is NOT A RELIGION.

    • It is nice you decided that salvation was an issue you needed to work on yourself, instead of leaving it to others.
      Martin Luther showed the abuses of the RCC quite well over 500 years ago, and I thank God that the truth has made millions free.
      Sadly tho, the Protestants have lost their way in social correctness, and are rapidly turning back to the Roman Catholic Church.

      • Abuse implies that there is a correct use, by which you acknowledge the Catholic Church in its essential correctness. Actually, it is Catholics now following the Lutherans, the Methodists, the Anglicans, and the rest in down the wide road of damnation. All these ideas appeared first in the Protestant sects, which Catholics no longer have the will or stomach to resist. If you want to know what Catholics REALLY believe, you can only find it nowadays amongst those who are called “traditional Catholics”, who are persecuted by their liberal bishops, and yes, the Pope. It is apocalyptic, and, as a Catholic, I do wonder if this Pope will be instrumental in ushering in the “man of sin.” Our greatest theologian, St. Thomas Aquinas, said it would be so, and that the vast bulk of Catholics would be deceived by it.

        • libertarianmark

          The RCC fell into apostasy long before Luther was born. A good 1000 years before he was born.

        • “Abuse implies that there is a correct use,” Yes, the Roman Catholic Church professes to follow Jesus Christ. However, in practice they have often persecuted and murdered those who have tried to live like Christ. The RCC has thought to “change times and laws”, just as prophesied of in Daniel.
          But God’s words, written with his own finger in stone, still stand true today – “Remember the Sabbath day to keep it holy”. But the RCC says “Sunday is the mark of our authority”.

    • Jim H.

      Kelly Gregg please don’t listen to these people on here who seek to ruin your faith. Even if the Pope were evil and committing crimes (which he is not) he would be violating the Truths of our religion, which was given to us by Christ himself. You NEED the sanctifying grace of the sacraments and no, you can’t do it on your own. Refer to John 6. Please do NOT buy into the secular news stories which are seeking to divide and drive people to despair. Take the time and read the encyclical. Most of it falls under simple prudential matters, there is no requirement to believe any particular science.

      • troof

        The “pope” is a fine antichrist

        • No. He would be lame Antichrist, who cannot even convince believing Catholics to get on board,

    • Your comment just highlighted the great danger in our time, shaking the faith of many. Persevere!

  • drakesfortune

    Sounds about right. As a former Catholic, I advise Catholics to leave the church. The church is lost, meaningless, and has been hopelessly clueless since the scandals of the 90’s. That should have been a wake up call to allow priests to marry so the church could get more quality, normal human beings to be priests. There’s absolutely no real religious basis to disallow marriage, and that the church is now consumed with socialism and radical environmentalism, instead of the soul, says it all. The Catholic church is a toilet now.

  • Marcus Antonius

    If he believes in Gaia, he is not an atheist.

    • Sox Celts

      tomato toma’to

      • Marcus Antonius

        towmaytoe !

    • Shrugged

      You are correct. Atheists believe in nothing — which is a faith – since there is no scientific proof of the presence or absence of a God at this juncture.

      • troof

        God doesn’t believe in Atheists.

        • God doesn’t believe, period. He knows.

        • Shrugged

          Your use of the term God means you are recognizing His legitimate position. That said, God created the atheists and therefore believes wholeheartedly in them, waiting for them to believe.

          • troof

            You do greatly err….he has shown himself to all men, so that even his Godhead is obvious to them. All men know there is a God….

          • Shrugged

            What? You make no sense – and defy scripture. God has a deep love and concern for all of his creation – so he DOES believe in all people – even atheists. He doesn’t agree with their choice – but he believes in them as HIS creation.

      • Rachel

        Atheism has definitely become a religion.

        • VendicarDecarian0

          The rejection of religion as irrational foolishness is not itself a religion.

          Poor Rachel.

          • Rachel

            Sorry, my poor moron friend. Atheism is indeed a religion today. You narcissistic fascists band together in your determination to wipe religion completely out of the public square and symbology in a nation built on the Judeo-Christian principles and values, where most of it’s inhabitants are Christian. That IS the precept of your religion…to force your beliefs on others. Very Islamic like. If living in a religious nation was so abhorent to your nihilistic sensibilities, you’d just move elsewhere, or live & let live as the First Amendment dictates. But instead you fight against Christianity with a fervor few Christians have for their own faith! In fact, atheism is one of the MOST fanatical of all religions today.
            Poor poor deluded Vendicar.

  • Sox Celts

    Well it’s nice to see the Pope relies on Atheist Scientist whom agree with him and kick out Catholic Scientist that were trying to them him AGW is a freaking hoax…..once again we have a Church leader that puts politics where it does not belong…worst Pope in the last 200 years. Next thing he will be promoting abortions. FYI not a Catholic

    • Shrugged

      Wait till gay marriage . . . he may preside over the first catholic gay marriage.

    • DavidAppell

      AGW isn’t a hoax — it’s required by the laws of physics. The Pope was properly advised on the science.

      • Rachel

        AGW is a hoax.

        • VendicarDecarian0

          Yup, a hoax just like small black dots causing disease.

          A hoax just like Electrons are a hoax.

          You Kooooooook.

          • Rachel

            Oh good…more nihilistic bullshit from our friend Vendicar who swallows all koolaid…especially sour grape flavored.

  • Guest

    What do you think the Mary worship thing is all about? Same thing as gaia. Catholicism has always been a cult and that will become more apparent as the end times draw near.

  • doubleducks

    1) Worship God who is the basis of all existence and is not of this world.
    2) Live to assist in the growth of others.
    Anything else is politics.

    • Rachel

      Amen!

  • oracle2world

    Folks embrace the Gaia speculations without reservation, and then find MY belief in God a curiosity?

    lol

  • Shrugged

    What a total freakin joke of an ordained religion. . . and I believe in the literal interpretation of the bible – miracles and all – because if there is a God, then anything written in the Bible is possible and logical. I believe in God – UNLIKE the Catholic Church who sees fit to put science ahead of deity.

    • emag

      Science?

      • Shrugged

        Read the article and you may understand. His adviser is NOT a BELIEVER. He is a Science guy.

    • Jim H.

      Whose interpretation? There are so many.

      • Shrugged

        YOUR INTERPETATION. Take MAN’S invention of religion out of the equation and find GOD

        • Jim H.

          Are you aware that every last Protestant denomination was started by a fallen away Catholic, or someone from a religion started by a fallen away Catholic? There is on other root but the Catholic Church. In fact all of the Apostles are buried in Catholic churches by their followers who were in fact Catholic.

          • Shrugged

            You must be born of Catholic guilt.
            Who was the Pope in 33AD when Jesus was crucified?? Or in 75ad?? or in 100AD?? Surely, the Apostles were all dead by that time, and you say they were all Catholic – Vatican and all? Of course not.

            You are taking today’s understanding and projecting it backwards to arrive at your opinions.

            As for the Protestants all starting as fallen Catholics . . . they were seeking the same thing -GOD!

  • I’m very glad that the pope has chosen this anti-christian to be a leading voice in his climate program. It will help the scales fall off the eyes of those true-in-heart who haven’t yet considered that the Roman Catholic Church is not about God’s truth, but all about global control.

    • DavidAppell

      The Pope was being advised on science, not theology.

      • As the head of an organization that claims to be religious, the pope’s choice of choosing someone who holds beliefs diametrically opposed to the Roman Catholic Church’s, shows his disdain for the religious precepts he claims to uphold.
        .
        Not to mention that Schellnhuber’s “science” is ridiculous….

        • VendicarDecarian0

          Sorry Kook. But you might as well claim that the Pope shows disdain for catholics for seeking the advice of cancer experts on the medical issue of cancer.

          You are a Koook.

      • VendicarDecarian0

        And advised accurately.

        My commendations.

  • JEFF MYERS

    Francis may not be the religious leader for the some day coming One World Order during the Great Tribulation, but he sure proves how easy it will be for one to arise during that time. Biblical prophesy has had no errors, just a few prophesies left to fulfill. These are exciting times indeed. The Good News, there is still time to repent and accept the Christ Jesus as your Lord and Savior.

    • Robert Watson

      It truly is an exciting time.

  • emag

    The Pope is a plant.

    • Marcus Antonius

      Yes, Poison Ivy plant !

  • Microaggressive

    Just remember, this Pope welcomed the largest Mosque in South America to Buenos Aries

    • And prays publically with Lutherans…

      • Microaggressive

        Wow
        You dare compare Martin Luther with Mohammad.

        • Yes. Both reject the Faith, and from a Catholic’s point of view, Luther was the worse, because he actually knew it, whereas Mohammed was really a heretic from a Jewish sect living in the desert.

          • Jim H.

            Friends Mr Kalb does not represent the mind of the Church on this matter. The Pope is seeking unity through reaching out and reconciation. No doctrinal ground has been lost. Only a great example of the love of Jesus.

          • Rachel

            I’m Catholic…and I agree with Jeff. You think the Church can’t be infiltrated by negative forces just like our Govt has?

          • Jim H.

            The Church has been infiltrated by negative forces, no doubt. But just as sinful as praying with heretics (which the Pope has not done, but only promotes what is true between us) is getting on a public combox and detracting the Holy Father and scattering the flock. You know what Jesus said about those who encourage little ones to sin. Jeff and Rachel, I think you need to keep your concerns in the family and do a whole heck of a lot more reading before making these outrageous statements here in this secular combox.

          • Rachel

            What, now YOU are the arbiter of what we can and cannot discuss publicly? Do you work for the Vatican PC Police? …or just MSNBC. Sorry…but there have been terrible and corrupt Pope’s in the Church’s history. Did they also deserve my unquestioning support? I am not comparing this Pope with Liberius, but he’s no John Paul either.

          • You cannot speak of the “mind of the Church” when you do not know that praying in public with heretics is and has always been considered by the Church to be a mortal sin. You are defending mortal sin, and if you do not believe it, read Pius XI’s “Mortalium Animos” (in English of course).

          • Microaggressive

            According to Martin Luther’s correct point of view, it is the Catholic Church which bears little resemblance to Christian Faith.

            “Luther was the worse, because he actually knew it” LOL. Ok bud.

            You are correct about Islam merely being the Arabization of Talmudic hate.

  • thestupidisstrong

    Pantheists aren’t atheists drudge report.

    • That is true. Atheists believe in what the dictionary defines as an oxymoron. Pantheists believe in basically animism taken to its logical end.

      • VendicarDecarian0

        Atheists have no spiritual belief. They reject magical thinking.

        You poor Kook.

  • As any sane Catholic will tell you, no one, not even a Catholic in good standing, need follow the Pope when he goes beyond statements of faith and morals, and engages in this kind of pop science (fiction). Most of the things in his writings (e.g. evolution) to which evangelicals would object have been thoroughly denounced by the Catholic Church in an authoritative manner. He cannot change that. He can only attempt to muddy the water, which is all this so-called “encyclical” (which does not even meet the requirements of an encyclical) really does. Just be aware that most believing Catholics are embarrassed and disgusted with this man, so much so that the question of his legitimacy is continually raised–especially in view of the strange and inexplicable departure of Pope Benedict XVI. So fire away at the man if you will, but understand that these stupid ideas of his do not reflect what Catholics believe, which is wholly based in Scripture and the Tradition handed down from Christ’s Apostles–and can NEVER change.

    • libertarianmark

      I thought the pope is infallible?

      • Only when he speaks “ex cathedra”, that is, from his papal chair, or authority. The last clear instance of this was over 60 years ago when Pope Pius XII defined the doctrine of the Assumption. To be infallible, there are 3 requirements:
        1) The statement must be addressed to the entire Church.
        2) It must concern Catholic Faith and Morals.
        3) He must make it binding with his papal authority.
        If any one if these is missing, it is not infallible.

        • libertarianmark

          Hate to break it to you champ, there was only 1 man that was infallible, and He is in heaven on God’s right hand.

          • The Church is Christ’s Mystical Body, and He is its Head. If the Church were not infallible, then neither would Christ be.

          • libertarianmark

            Mystical?

            Where is that found in the 39 inspired, infallible books of the bible?

            The church is the body of Christ on earth, the physical body. There is nothing mystical about it.

            There is a HUGE difference between the head and the body, starting with the fact that it is a picture.

            The bible, 39 inspired and infallible books, also refers to the church as the bride of Christ. So now the bride is infallible because the Bridegroom is?

            The infallibility of the church was dreamed up by the same folks that dreamed up the infallibility of the pope. It is not biblical. It is man made.

          • The term simply means that it is not the physical body of Christ as He walked the earth. It is His body in a distinct way, and “mystical” expresses this notion. I suppose you do not believe that God is a Trinity, because the word “Trinity” appears nowhere in the Bible. If they mean the same thing then they are the same. Or must we all speak Greek as well? The Church is not man-made. Indeed, Christ Himself says that He will build it (on Peter as it happens). Christ’s headship of his Church is no picture, but a fact that He Himself reveals.

          • libertarianmark

            It would be silly of me not to believe in the Trinity.

            Christ built His church on Peter ‘ confession that He was the Christ, the Son of the living God. Not on Peter.

            Still not sure how the RCC screwed that up.

          • And it would be silly of you not to believe in the “mystical” body of Christ if the term merely means that the body of which He speaks is not His physical body as he walked the earth.

            That’s not what it says in Greek, Latin, or any decent English translation. The Bible says that it was built on Peter, on account of which Christ even changed his name from Simon to Peter (“Petrus” or “Rock”).

          • libertarianmark

            No, it says it was built on Peter’s confession. Peter, the first pope according to RCC, was fallible, he denied Christ 3 times, people.

            You still can’t show me where the Bible states the church is fallible. What about the churches that John writes to in Revelation? They had many issues. One lost their first love. That same church you worship covers up and pays off victims of pedophilia. Now the pope has sided with a man who is a pagan.

        • Jim H.

          This is common of the false dichotomies presented by Protestants. You can’t have an infallible Church AND an infallible Christ. You can’t have Jesus AND the Saints. You can’t have the Bible AND tradition. Its black and white one or the other – when in reality it is all integrated through, in and with Christ.

          • libertarianmark

            Sure you can. The church is made up of fallible members, because as I said, there is only One that is infallible.

            If the church is infallible, why the need for confession? Penance? Purgatory? You can’t have it both ways.

            Are you really saying that the church, especially its leadership which is rife with pedophiles is infallible? And that same leadership ignores that pedophilia and covers it up by paying victims?

            How many infallible edicts by the RCC have been repealed? What about Galileo and so on that were labeled heretics because they denied what the RCC taught?

            I can go on, but anything who can reason logically can see right through the “infallibility” of the RCC. And the apostasy.

      • A primer on the the gift of the charism of infallibility:

        The things Catholics ought to believe in are believed in because they have been revealed by God who can neither deceive [what would be the point for a being Thrice Holy and All-Powerful?] nor be deceived. Those things, depositum fidei entrusted by Christ to the Apostles and they to his Church, are preserved in purity throught the ages by the gift of the charism of infallibility so that by a “supernatural sense of faith” the People of God, under the guidance of the Church’s living Magisterium, unfailingly adheres to this faith. [Cf. CCC 889 & 2035].

        See also “PROFESSION OF FAITH” on the Vatican Website.

        • libertarianmark

          So at exactly what point in time does the pope become God?

          There is only 1 that is infallible, and that is God. Not every pope.

          Because we are told by the Bible that one must be God to be infallible, which is why Jesus was born of a virgin. And that virgin was a sinner as well. But the Holy Spirit isn’t.

        • libertarianmark

          You can’t use propaganda from the RCC to prove the RCC’s beliefs.

          • Yes they make those claims which anyone can examine and come the conclusion, they are true. [cf. Bl. Cardinal Newman].

          • libertarianmark

            You’re quoting an RCC bishop who tells people to examine RCC propaganda so that we can come to the conclusion that what the RCC is telling us is true?

            Got it.

          • No, I am saying the claims are there for anybody to examine. Again, RCC makes a claim, that others can examine as to whether they are true or not. Many converts to the Faith have done just that, as the example I gave of Bl. Cardinal Newman.

    • Jim H.

      So you are encouraging people to be uncharitable to a sitting Pope? Wow that doesn’t sound like something most Catholics would do. In fact most of the apologetic and mainstream Catholics I know understand what an encyclical is and isn’t and pray for out Pope.

      • I am not encouraging them, but said “if you will.” Their criticisms are often deadly accurate. When a private matter is involved it is best to keep it so, but when public scandal injurious to the faith is at stake, the Faith must always take precedence, even at the expense of the man (or pope). Recall that St. Paul “resisted him (St. Peter) to the face” when Peter was diluting the doctrine.

        • Jim H.

          No you are encouraging detraction and outright calumny. Brother, I think you need to check your faith. You are creating a public scandal here by encouraging people to believe the nonsense in these secular articles. I am quite concerned.

          • The pope sends a document to the four corners of the earth in which he publicly embraces the condemned doctrines of Teilhard de Chardin. It is repeated ad nauseam in the press and Barack Obama loves the document enough to ask the world to follow it. (After all, the Vatican consulted with the Obama administration before it was published.) Every leftist and Marxist rightly proclaims that it represents a break with Catholic teaching of the past, and praises it to the skies.

            I’m sorry, bud, but the scandal broke while I was on vacation. I don’t think you even know the meaning of the “scandal”. If you have the nerve to attack the very people who try to publicly separate the Catholic Faith from such tripe, then realize that you are not doing God’s work. You are not a loyal subject of the pope, but a mere fan, who will invent any nonsense to prove that black is white and white is black. The pope does not need flatterers such as yourself. He needs someone to take him aside and give him some hard knocks of charity right on the noggin.

            I doubt you have even read the document, and if you have, but still believe there is nothing wrong with it, then you are in a complete state of cognitive dissonance, possibly heresy.

      • Pray for him, of course. That is your duty to him in charity. But you duty to everyone else is to denounce his error publicly.

    • libertarianmark

      So the RCC is fallible, even though it is the “Mystical” body of Christ? The pope is the head of the RCC, no?

  • Robert Watson

    Does the pope believe in God?

    • likelywrong

      is the pope catholic?

      • Not by a long shot.

        • Jim H.

          Jeff it sounds like your objections run deeper than just this encyclical? How long have you been incredulous?

          • Anyone who listens to a pope say such things must be incredulous that things could have come to this… But the saints were very clear that it would happen, and even gave details that have come to pass. (Blessed Anne Katherine Emmerich, for instance, gives many specifics.) Remember that the virtue of faith for Catholic has God as its object, not Christ’s Vicar. When the pope teaches within the limits of his authority (which is strictly defined), he must be obeyed as the voice of Christ Himself. But no one must obey him when he speaks with a merely human voice.

          • Jim H.

            No doctrine has changed. This is no different than anything said by John Paul or Benedict. The document simply says be good stewards of creation. This is nothing different than the Church has taught for centuries.

          • VESENG

            200 pages to say only be good stewards of creation. No, that is not only what’s there. It legitimizes much more.

            And yes I have read it.

          • Jim H.

            There is no change in doctrine. We are free to disagree. We are obligated to read and seriously consider. Agree?

          • Of course the doctrine has not changed. It cannot. But we’re not talking about the Church’s doctrine changing; we’re talking about the deviations in this “encyclical” from orthodoxy. For all their faults, particularly that of John Paul II, neither ever said the things included in this “encyclical.” Indeed, neither ever wrote an encyclical on the environment at all. Admit it. You have not really read it, and you have no idea of the condemned doctrines of his fellow Jesuit, Teilhard de Chardin. Francis explicitly denies that the animal kingdom is subject to man, which is contrary to revelation, and even says that man must help animals (who do not have an immortal soul) toward God!

          • Rachel

            Jeff’s not the only one. I haven’t agreed with this Pope on much. He’s way too political. He needs to stick to saving souls….God only knows there’s plenty of souls need saving today!

          • Jim H.

            Is your approval required, or the Holy Spirit’s?

          • VESENG

            Jim, you were doing good, don’t fall into trolling.

          • Jim H.

            Good point. We have to rely upon the promise of the Holy Spirit Rachel. Our individual judgements are susceptible to sin. The Church and her teaching is authored by the Holy Spirit as promised Peace be with you.

          • Rachel

            Nor is yours.

          • There are other spirits and some of the malevolent.

  • Gary

    You can always tell when a story is linked to Drudge. The nuts, the
    paranoid cowards come out, furiously pounding their keyboards.
    Hilarious, pathetic, IMPOTENT powerless nutcases.
    The DUMBEST, most cowardly people on the planet, not Americans, but fascist traitors, right wing authoritarians.

    • troof

      Drudge isn’t right wing enough for me.

      • Rachel

        Ditto

    • raffaro

      Your description encapsulates Libturds very well!

    • Rachel

      That was a whole lot of words to say absolutely NOTHING.

    • Red47

      Drudge is the go-to for all the media, why can’t everyone else check out the page?

      • VendicarDecarian0

        Drudge regularly lies by altering the titles of the articles he links to.

        Typical Republican Scumbag.

        • Red47

          If a person actually reads the article…they can figure out what the article says. I read a lot of misleading headlines in a lot of media. It is irresponsible and annoying sensationalism. It is chump change compared to the people still screeching about AGW when the science is so shaky that the term is now Climate Change. It isn’t man made, it is part of the circle of life on this globe called earth. When the Pope reduces his carbon footprint and the Believers look for a solution beyond money-shaming, I will believe that they actually believe. Until then, keep your dogma.

    • VendicarDecarian0

      Gary = Correct.

  • tell_it_like

    Watch out this pope is very popular!!! he is NOT a man of God

  • DavidAppell

    Schellnhuber certainly did NOT say the Greenland ice sheet would melt by now — it’s 2.85 Mkm3, and the author provides no proof he did. This needs to be corrected, though, having dealt with the author in the past, I doubt he will.

    The melting of the Greenland ice sheet *IS* accelerating, though.

  • Who Cares

    There is much truth in what is said here. But like all truly mystic knowledge it’s far too esoteric for mass dissemination. Even if an easy lexicon existed for it (it doesn’t,) it would still be beyond all but the elects willingness to accept.

    Man cannot be taught, he can only learn. The mysteries are endless, and that which is called life radiates from the mind of God and can never be known, for it is infinite and animates even that which is thought inanimate.

    Two wasted paragraphs by Who Cares.

  • Matthew Beck

    Francis is not the pope of the Roman Catholic Church and, like the other pretenders who have occupied the Vatican since the institution of the Second Vatican Council, is a modernist, an apostate, and a heretic. Since heresy is one of the few sins which of its own nature severs the sinner from the Body of Christ, it follows that Francis is not even a Christian and cannot therefore be the head of Christ’s Church. In the past the blasphemy was more subtle. The Un-Saint Karol Wotyla, for example, couched his own heresy in voluminous manifestos which gave “conservative” Catholics enough bait to stay in the trap of the Novus Ordo. Now, however, the heresy is out in the open and there is really no excuse for thinking Catholics to maintain that the man Jorge Bergoglio is their true and legitimate pastor and a rightful successor to St. Peter.

    The good news is that there is a small but growing and well-defended Sedevacantist movement throughout the country and the world where the Latin Mass is still celebrated, the Canons of the Council of Trent still upheld, and the true Catholic faith still proclaimed. There is an alternative to the Francis-led FrankenChurch for anybody who wishes to be a pious and practicing Catholic. I urge you to research Sedevacantism if you are interested.

    • Only an ecumenical council can make such a declaration, and only after it has given the pope ample time to renounce his errors. Given the state of the Church today, that is not going to happen. Sedevacantism is a dead end. I assist at Latin Mass and adhere to all the declarations of Trent, but as individuals we do not have the authority to decide who is Pope and who is not.

      • Matthew Beck

        That is simply not true, Jeff. Any heretic, be he a layman or a cleric, incurs automatic excommunication along with the concomitant loss of office and authority. Besides which, the council itself would be staffed by bishops who subscribe to the same heresy and who themselves have lost authority also. It is not just the Holy See that is empty, but nearly all the Sees. Far from being a dead end, Sedevacantism is the only consistent and logical position one can hold.

    • Jim H.

      In other words, you are basically a Protestant.

      • Matthew Beck

        Haven’t you heard? Neither Francis nor anyone else in the Novus Ordo establishment has any problem with Protestants anymore, so where then is the sting of your rebuttal?

        But that aside, the threadbare canard that Sedevacantists are Protestants has no basis in reality at all. We do not deny the Office of the Papacy, the hierarchical structure of the Church, or any single point of dogma. The See is empty–that’s all we’re saying.

        • Jim H.

          Really, I spend my days evangelizing Protestants as do hundreds of my friends. You may want to do a little looking around before making false generalizations.

          The See isn’t empty. You’ve lost faith in the promise of Christ. Pray about it.

          • Matthew Beck

            False generalizations about what, Jim? I made no generalizations whatsoever. I merely countered your false claim that Sedevacantists are Protestant.

            And you clearly do not understand what the promises of Christ refer to. Christ never promised that the Holy See would be validly occupied for every last moment of time until the consummation of the world. He DID promise that there would be false Christs and false shepherds.

          • Jim H.

            That’s a pretty liberal view. The office of the Pope is not empty. There are no anti-popes contending for the office. But I do wish you well.

  • Rachel

    LOL…that’s just GREAT. Another loon dictating how we live. What is this…the Twilight Zone or Invasion of the Body Snatchers? Are only the mentally disordered in charge today? I’m wasn’t too wild about this Pope before…but now…yikes.

    • JimM

      I agree. It’s like they are all under some “stupidity” spell. Now it seems even the Repub leaders have lost it as well.

  • Carl Mayo

    2 Timothy 4:3

    • Jim H.

      Matthew 16:18.

  • Conservative Geek

    Well I guess the pope and his “scientist” friend are just alike then. Check Romans 1:25…Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshiped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

    • Jim H.

      You clearly haven’t read the encyclical.

      • Conservative Geek

        And I REALLY don’t care….Can’t express just how MUCH I don’t care.

        • Harold

          Paraphrasing Benjamin Franklin Gates???

  • Michelle P

    The pope’s message has been twisted into something false. The catholic church has always been enemy #1 of communists, and will always advocate for the poor. It is one of the few faiths that hasn’t “changed with the times”. Jesus promised Peter the gates of Hades would not prevail. The demonic forces that want to enslave us since the days of Napoleon are EU aristocrats who fear the peasants. Napoleon was given orders to destroy the vatican, and he did everything but that. The EU Oligarchs fear the church, the peasants, and want to rule the world. The media is controlled and none of us are as free as we think we are.

    • topperj

      The Pope’s Globaloney message has not been distorted. I read his Ecumenical. He is advocating an international body to rule and govern the environment. This is in keeping with his World view, as a socialist. He sounds like a Luddite, railing against technology.

  • Flyoverman

    Martin Luther always thought the Office of the Pope was the anti-Christ. Starting to look that way.

    • Jim H.

      Actually no he didn’t always believe that. When he posted the 95 thesis he didn’t believe that. And at the end of his life he didn’t believe that.

      • Flyoverman

        Agreed. I needed to have proofread my post. “always” is inaccurate.

        Thanks for the good catch.

  • Christene Bartels

    “In an age of division, The Stream cultivates the high common ground shared by evangelicals, Catholics and Orthodox Christians, including important ground shared by Jews and Christians.”

    Tell me, is this article, which completely misrepresents the Pope’s encyclical, and the hundreds of vitriolic, anti-Catholic rants it inspired representative of that “high common ground”?

    Yikes!

    • Michelle P

      Fraud once again. “Beware of wolves in sheep clothing”

      • Christene Bartels

        Well, thankfully their fangs always are bared. Just look behind their “friendly” “Christian” smiles.

      • OldSalt48

        Beware of Wolves in Priestly Pope Robes…

    • Red47

      How does it misrepresent what he said about AGW?
      Oops. I see that it is you, so I cannot WAIT to hear the answer.

    • VendicarDecarian0

      Climate change denialists are not known for their honesty.

      If they were honest, they couldn’t be denialists.

    • Christene Bartels

      Moderator, what exactly is your problem with my reply to Red47?? Just post it please.

    • Harold

      “”high common ground”? ”

      Actually YES! The exposure of lies and anti-Christs is ALWAYS the High Ground!

      • Christene Bartels

        Antichrist, antichrist, antichrist. For 500 years protestants have been harping that the Pope is the antichrist. Do you even know where in the Bible the antichrist is actually talked about and identified?

        1 Jn 4:3-4. “Testing the Spirits
        …3and every spirit that does not confess Jesus is not from God; this is the spirit of the antichrist, of which you have heard that it is coming, and now it is already in the world. 4You are from God, little children, and have overcome them; because greater is He who is in you than he who is in the world.5They are from the world; therefore they speak as from the world, and the world listens to them.…”

        2 John 1:7 – For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

        1Jn 2:18-22
        Warning Against Antichrists
        18 Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour. 19 They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us. 20 But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and all of you know the truth. 21 I do not write to you because you do not know the truth, but because you do know it and because no lie comes from the truth. 22Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the antichrist–he denies the Father and the Son.

        That last verse should make every Protestant a little nervous. Be careful that you are not the one who is being deceived. Do you know what attributing to satan that which comes from God is called? It’s called blaspheming the Holy Spirit and we know from scripture how well that generally works out.

        • Harold

          No, no, I did not say Anti-Christ as in THE! Don’t believe in “him.”

          John said, and I believe there are MANY! I usually use “anti-ChristS’ as in one of many.

          I KNOW, because I am a student of the Bible and “putting together” a modern HEXAPLA [which BTW, PhD’s have told me is very good] that the papacy/Popes ARE without any doubt [NONE!] the “little horn” of Daniel 7. The “litttle horn” of Daniel 8 is muhammed/islam AND also THE FAlse POPHET of Revelation.

          “Do you know what attributing to satan that which comes from God is called?”

          AND great blasphemies are EXACTLY what the “little horn” is guilty of! Attributing to God the things which are of satan.

          BTW, there are MANY wonderful Christians who really don’t know what the Bible says, BUT, through the wonderful Grace of merciful God will be saved!

          • Christene Bartels

            If you can find one Pope who in the past two thousand years has even ONE time denied the Father and the Son or denied that Jesus is the Christ or that Jesus has not come in the flesh then come back and we will chat.

          • Harold

            WOW! You have really fallen for the lies, haven’t you.

            ALL THE TIME!

            WHEN YOU SAY: “vicarus filii dei” that is EXACTLY what you are doing. Because the “privilege” does not exist! The New Testament itself has probably a dozen “repudiations” of RC practices. READ THE NT! KJV or Geneva would be a good start!

          • Christene Bartels

            And BTW, I am a former Protestant. I know all the tired arguments and all the scripture pulled out to defend them.

          • Harold

            If you “knew” the arguments [obviously you do not!] you would not be a former protestant 🙂 !

            Numbers 6:24-26!

          • Christene Bartels

            I don’t really enjoy the game of dueling scriptures anymore. You have a blessed day :).

      • Christene Bartels

        “Division is the work of the ‘Father of Lies,’ ‘the Father of Discord,’ who does everything possible to keep us divided,” …..
        “But there is someone who ‘knows’ that, despite our differences, we are one. It is he who is persecuting us. It is he who is persecuting Christians today, he who is anointing us with (the blood of) martyrdom.”…….
        (the devil) “knows that Christians are disciples of Christ, that they are one, that they are brothers! He doesn’t care if they are Evangelicals or Orthodox, Lutherans, Catholics or Apostolic … he doesn’t care! They are Christians.”…..
        “The Holy Spirit brings about unity,” he said, and Christians must open their hearts to the Spirit’s gifts with “prayer, friendship, closeness and reflection.”….
        ~Pope Francis~

        • Harold

          Pope Francis, being Daniel 7’s “little horn” of the west, is NOT who a TRUE Believer would listen to.
          Pope Francis, being “vicarus filii dei” = 666 of Revelation 13 is anti-Christ.

          BTW Daniel 8 describes the “little horn” of the east who was/IS muhammed/islam.
          God also made it SO EASY to figure out who THE False PROPHET [ = muhammed/islam] IS!

          Anyone who follows EITHER “little horn” is in “danger!”

          • Christene Bartels

            Alrighty then. If you are 100% sure that you are 100% correct, then carry on. God speed.

  • acovenantinblood

    Every time a pope opens his mouth I get down on my knees and thank God for Martin Luther!

    • Jim H.

      Martin Luther at the end of his days realized the mistake he had made. There is one holy Catholic and apostolic Church which speaks for Christ.

      • JimM

        Yea right…

        • Jim H.

          Mmm, I think I’d research that before I dismiss it. It is absolutely 100% true. Even in the 95 Thesis Luther supported the doctrine of Purgatory and indulgences, he was just against the local abuses. Only later did he get nasty when the Pope wouldn’t listen to him. Try reading the document Exurge domine.

      • acovenantinblood

        Ahh yes because Christ was sooo quick to burn dissenters at the stake! And He is soooo quick to align Himself and His “holy Catholic and apostolic Church” with know heretics and idolators to get His agenda across! Since the mand made globl warming cabal is jsut another arm of the religion of Social Darwinism, I see that God really needs to be in step with them through His “(un)Holy Pontificate” the pope to get His purposes (Which in this case would be aligned with the false religion of evolution) done. Once again, “God, thank you for Martin Luther, even if he may have gotten it wrong int he end of his days”. Are you kidding me? Mans depravity is so deep. Maybe if your “Church” dealt with that it wouldn’t be a laughingstock.

        • Jim H.

          Well actually the CHurch did deal with whatever local problems Luther pointed out. Luther wanted to change a whole lot more however. He basically proposed a Luther-created reboot of Christianity based on his own understanding and desires, and showed little desire to work with the Church.

          The non sequitur about burning people at the stake – I appreciate that common observation. However, that was never a doctrine of the Church and really represent the failure to follow the teachcings of the Church, rather than evidence of the corruption of its teachings.

      • Harold

        ” There is one holy Catholic and apostolic Church which speaks for Christ.”

        Unfortunately for you that has absolutely nothing with the Roman Catholic church which is home of the “little horn” of Daniel 7 and the 666 [vicarus filii dei] of Revelation 13!

        • Mollie Norris

          This discussion refers to Pope Francis more or less as a “Lone Ranger” and ignores the fact that he was chosen by the confraternity of bishops; anyone who believes in the teachings of the Catholic Church acknowledges that he represents the beliefs of the Church.

  • itsy_bitsy

    It’s beginning to sound like the Catholics have an Obama style clone for a Pope! Even down to the people he has around him!

  • VendicarDecarian0

    ” Tipping points have come and gone in climate forecasts for decades now.” – Article.

    Absolute nonsense.

  • OldSalt48

    POPE

    SHOULD

    WORRY

    ABOUT

    ISLAM

    BLOWING UP

    THE SISTINE CHAPEL…

    NOT CLIMITE CHANGE

    • Shrugged

      ISIS has made quite a mess of other’s museums and history , , , ,

  • RandomUser99

    What a shock that the Pope’s encyclical on global warming is based on the junk science of a far left atheist. You could knock me over with a feather.

  • VendicarDecarian0

    “Tipping points are supposed moments when some doom” – article

    Childishly false.

    A tipping point is a radical departure of the climate system from one semi-stable orbit around an attractor to another orbit around a neighbouring attractor, or an excursion through several attractors to some orbit around a distant state.

    • RandomUser99

      Maybe you’ll reach a tipping point from M0r0n to reasonable some day. Not holding my breath.

      • VendicarDecarian0

        I’m sorry that you didn’t understand the post above.

        You have no one to blame for that failure but yourself.

        • RandomUser99

          The left always has to cook up something they are going to “save” us from. It’s nothing but scare tactics.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Don’t be silly. I have no interest in saving you. In fact, I would prefer you dead.

          • RandomUser99

            If you believe nuts like Schellnhuber and Ehrlich, and I’m sure you do, we’ll all be dead in a generation.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Nothing in the article indicates that Schellnhuber is anything but a main stream scientist.

          • RandomUser99

            Most scientists and engineers reject his kind of alarmism

            www(dot)forbes(dot)com/sites/jamestaylor/2013/02/13/peer-reviewed-survey-finds-majority-of-scientists-skeptical-of-global-warming-crisis/

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Why would you post a link to a propaganda piece written by a paid liar in the employ of the Heartland Institute?

            Are you one of those maleducated Republicans who still thinks what he hears from Rush Limbaugh, Hannity, Glenn Beck and the others, is trustworthy news?

            If so then you are a truly a useful idiot.

          • RandomUser99

            Funny coming from a guy who quotes tamino.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Why shouldn’t I quote a climate scientist on matters of climate science?

            My goodness you have mental problems.

          • You have shown your true colors, and those of liberals who you identify with and whose ideas you espouse – you prefer people dead.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            I have? Evil should perish, and you are truly an evil person.

          • Mollie Norris

            The Illuminati Code – constant creation of chaos is a tool to achieve global domination.

    • Michael Vaughn

      i heard that same quote in the movie GATTACA ~1997.

      • VendicarDecarian0

        I wasn’t aware that GATTACA was about chaos.

        Can you provide the quote from that film?

  • RandomUser99

    Over the last 75 years, the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere has increase by .008%, and the crazy far left clowns pushing the alarmism want us to believe that the climate system is so sensitive that this will cause warming to spiral out of control. Amazing how much left wing politics can pollute science.

    • Shrugged

      Science – for the most part – seems to be going along with the left wing all the way. Show me scientists who are DENIERS of global warming getting any attention and I’ll change my opinion.

      • BraveNewWhirled

        Attaching the proviso, “getting any attention”, presumes the objectivity of the academic, political, and scientific communities. Nothing could be further from the truth.

        • VendicarDecarian0

          It is laughable that after 30 years, the Denialist kooks still can’t come up with a working theory that explains how the earth is warming, and more importantly how CO2 science can be wrong when it is the cornerstone of all of modern science.

          • Marcos Carlos

            STFU !

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Why should I stop laughing at you?

            You are a clown.

          • Marcos Carlos

            You were not laughing at me genius….you were just being a moron. I hope the truth doesn’t hurt.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Ya I was, and I still am.

            Why should I stop laughing at you?

            You are a clown.

          • Marcos Carlos

            I like the Pope’s DAGAON THE FISH GOD MITRE…Do you?

          • Mollie Norris

            Extremely lame strawman and ad hom: The fact that AGW-alarmists persist in supporting the theory of anthropogenic warming after 25 years of climate data have demonstrated the lack of correlation and causation between CO2 and temperature and the inability of AGW-alarmists to demonstrate any means of predicting climate through scientific research or modeling is as valid an indication of fraud and of motivation other than protection of the environment as the alteration of data and political and economic repression of scientists who don’t support the fascist party line

          • VendicarDecarian0

            “lack of correlation and causation between CO2 and temperature” – Molly

            Liar… Liar.. Pants on fire…

            bloomberg(DOT)com/graphics/2015-whats-warming-the-world/

            Why do you continue to lie about such things Molly?

          • Mollie Norris

            You’re not capable of making a true statement. This strawman is the false statement that ” a pattern of unusually warm waters in the Pacific Ocean, known as El Nino” is caused by CO2. A necessary condition for the dependence of a weather pattern on CO2 concentration is a pattern of CO2 concentration.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Liar… Liar.. Pants on fire…

            bloomberg(DOT)com/graphics/2015-whats-warming-the-world/

            Why do you continue to lie about such things Molly?

          • VendicarDecarian0

            “a pattern of unusually warm waters in the Pacific Ocean, known as El Nino” is caused by CO2″

            Liar.. Liar… Pants on fire.

            El-Nino isn’t caused by enhanced CO2 Mollie. La-Nina and El-Nino are caused by a wind exposing or not exposing cool subsurface water off the coast of the equatorial Pacific Ocean.

            You can see a graphic animation of the process at the following link.

            esrl(DOT)noaa(DOT)gov/psd/people/joseph.barsugli/anim.html

          • Mollie Norris

            Check out remedial reading options.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            El-Nino isn’t caused by enhanced CO2 Mollie. La-Nina and El-Nino are caused by a wind exposing or not exposing cool subsurface water off the coast of the equatorial Pacific Ocean.

            You can see a graphic animation of the process at the following link.

            esrl(DOT)noaa(DOT)gov/psd/people/joseph.barsugli/anim.html

          • Mollie Norris

            You’ve been reading propaganda. The earth is recovering from an ice age, and there hasn’t been any warming in over 15 years.
            AGW-alarmists haven’t been able to show that CO2 causes warming since the IPCC was founded in 1988, and global temperatures have shown that there’s no correlation between the two.
            The null hypothesis that climate isn’t the result of natural causes, has never been dis-proven by AGW supporters.
            Your comment is equivalent to saying no one has dis-proven the existence of unicorns; a negative can’t be dis-proven.
            You believe propaganda that was created by globalist Illuminati to achieve a political agenda.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            ” The earth is recovering from an ice age, and there hasn’t been any warming in over 15 years.” – Mollie

            Liar.. Liar… Pants on fire…

            As can be seen from the following graphic, the global average temperature anomaly has risen from 0.42’C to 0.55’C over the last 15 years.

            This is a rise of 0.13’C

            woodfortrees(DOT)org/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:2000/to/plot/hadcrut4gl/from:2000/to:%20/trend

            Why do you feel a need to lie about such things Mollie?

          • VendicarDecarian0

            “AGW-alarmists haven’t been able to show that CO2 causes warming” – Mollie

            It has been known through spectroscopic analysis back in the mid 1800’s that CO2 absorbs Infrared light and emits a portion of it back from where it originates from.

            This necessarily means that the source must be warmed by tht extra incoming Infrared light.

            The spectra of CO2 can not be questioned as it is used in all manner of devices. Devices such as blood gas monitors, infrared astronomy, laser targeting, CO2 lasers, and heat seeking missiles to name a few.

          • Mollie Norris

            The spectra of CO2 is independent of devices. The theory that CO2 warms the atmosphere and the earth’s surface isn’t relevant since it’s based on theory and lab experiments that ignore the environment to achieve political goals and that make no attempt to predict the effect of CO2 in the presence of other variables, among them the concentration of atmospheric water vapor, aerosols and solar radiation.
            You’re doing a really lousy job of faking an understanding of the science.
            Since AGW was proposed by NWO globalists with no scientific training as a means of justifying the imposition of totalitarian fascism, rather than by scientists with any knowledge of the environment, the central fact in understanding the impact of any change in the environment; that no environmental variable acts independently of others, has been intentionally repressed since the first IPCC report in 1988. Science showing CO2’s action in reflecting incoming radiation and the net cooling produced by increased atmospheric water vapor and cloud formation in response to warming has been suppressed for political reasons. Also, the IPCC’s fiction of positive feedback contradicts the basic knowledge that natural processes are based on negative feedbacks that promote system stability. The latter destroys Shellnhuber’s political anti-science delusion of tipping points.
            The theory of CO2-mediated global warming is a politically expedient fiction, not physical science.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            “based on theory and lab experiments” – Mollie

            Do you have a problem with lab experiments Mollie? When was the last time you were in a lab? Never I suspect, although you might have accidentally walked into one when you were trying to find a toilet.

            In any case, as stated to you above, the nature of CO2 is verified by it’s application to a variety of real world sensing devices.

            Infrared Astronomers must know how CO2 in the atmosphere alters the spectra of light from the stars they study. Similarly heat seeking missiles must also know how CO2 alters the transmission of light though the atmosphere. So too must high energy laser defence systems.

            More pedestrian systems that exploit the properties of CO2 as determined by lab work are blood gas sensors used in medicine, and emissions sensors used in automobiles, and automotive service sensors.

            Systems exist to perform remote automotive emissions testing simply by watching the spectral changes in the air as cars drive through an IR sensor.

            You are ignorant of all these things, and vastly more.

            You are equally ignorant of how a any variance in the predicted vs observed performance of these devices would immediately produce a corrective paper printed in a science journal which would correct the science.

            No such papers exist of course…. The science has long been settled.

            You of course… Are mentally ill.

          • 1cbetta

            It’s unfortunate that you’re too ignorant to realize how idiotic you sound. “the nature of CO2 is verified by it’s application to a variety of real world sensing devices.” WTF??

            Terminal DKE.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Excuse me for interrupting you with some scientifically literacy..

            You may now go back to soiling your diapers.

      • VendicarDecarian0

        Correction. The left wing seems to be going along with science all the way.

        Nature has an overwhelming left wing bias.

      • Mollie Norris

        As Goebbels stated, suppression of dissent is essential to the “Big Lie”

        • Shrugged

          You know, your historical analogy isn’t far from the truth with global warming. It has to be a program bigger than any of us regular folks can imagine to have such widespread unchallenged status in the “scientific community”. (I use the term “scientific” very loosely)

    • VendicarDecarian0

      Liar.. Liar… Pants on fire.

      The current concentration of CO2 is 0.04% and has grown from 270 ppmv to 400 ppmv, and increase of 48 percent. 48 percent of 0.04% is .02%, not .008%.

      Are you innumerate, or did you intend to tell a lie?

    • Mollie Norris

      Schellenhuber’s pseudoscience relies on “tipping points”, an IPCC creation based on the anti-science that feedbacks are positive, contradicting accepted scientific knowledge and observation that feedbacks are negative are maintain stability.
      The belief in positive feedbacks and tipping points predicts the destruction of life on earth during the medieval warming period, when temperature and atmospheric CO2 were much higher than now.

  • VendicarDecarian0

    “Ecosphere science is therefore coming of age, lending respectability to its romantic companion, Gaia theory, as pioneered by Lovelock and Margulis.” – Schellnhuber

    And?

    He is right. Gaia theory has become scientifically respectable.

    • BraveNewWhirled

      Perfect foundation for the One World religion.

      • VendicarDecarian0

        One possible foundation. There are many others.

        Do you have any scientific refutation of the Gaia hypothesis?

        If you do, then write and submit a paper.

        If you don’t then Awwwwwwwwwww… Poor You

        • BraveNewWhirled

          The Wisdom of Man vs. the foolishness of God.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            The Pope has taken an informed, moral stand, and committed the Catholic Church to that moral imperative.

            Denialism however is uninformed, irrational, and immoral position to take.

        • Mollie Norris

          A logical fallacy; scientific papers by definition are based on science.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            And since your objections aren’t based on science, you can’t write a paper refuting the scientific theory called the Gaia Hypothesis.

            Awwwww. You seem to have lost the argument.

          • Mollie Norris

            My objection is based on science; gaia exists in an independent system of hermeneutics, like faith. As I stated, it’s not based on science; they exist in separate reference frames.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Hermeneutics Definition: The study of the methodological principles of interpretation

            In what way is the scientific principle of Gaia (the idea that nature is a symbiotic force that optimizes it’s own environment) a study of the methodological principles of interpretation?

            Poor ignorant Mollie.

    • Mollie Norris

      “Gaia Theory is a compelling new way of understanding life on our planet. The theory asserts that living organisms and their inorganic surroundings have evolved together as a single living system”

      def: inorganic – not consisting of or deriving from living matter

      LOL

      • VendicarDecarian0

        The word evolve is being used in two different contexts in that sentence.

        The first is obviously biological evolution. The second is an alternate definition..

        “a process of change in a certain direction : unfolding”

        Your failure to realize that there are alternative definitions for the word “evolution” speaks volumes about your lack of intelligence.

        Your laughter is the laughter of ignorance.

  • VendicarDecarian0

    “Schellnhuber is most famous for predicting that the “carrying capacity” of the earth is “below” 1 billion people.” – Article

    He is? I have never seen such a prediction. Can you provide a reputable link to confirm your accusation.

    ” When confronted with this, he called those who quoted him “liars.”” – Article

    From what I have seen, he is right. People who make the accusation are liars.

    • mr.Truth

      I don’t know about the avatar – but even it gives the impression you visit gay steam-baths a lot.

      • VendicarDecarian0

        I see that you have nothing of substance to say.

        • mr.Truth

          I’ll take that as a yes 🙂

          • RandomUser99

            The pope has his full support.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            On this matter, yes, Full support.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            You didn’t ask a question.

            How long have you been mentally ill?

          • mr.Truth

            I don’t think you realize how easy it is to tell ..that’s all .
            The avatar won’t fool anyone who has a spiritual sense .
            I don’t hate you – but I just think there are ancillary “things” that come with your situation that do affect and influence your thoughts and arguments.
            So I put them out in the open.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Yes, it is easy to tell that you are mentally ill.

          • mr.Truth

            I wish all the best for you 🙂

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Have you been diagnosed?

          • VendicarDecarian0

            I’ll take your non-response as a no.

            You should see a psychiatrist, mr.Truth. You are mentally ill.

  • TheLibertyAmendments

    Francis is likely going to be the last Pope. Sad, but reality.

    • BraveNewWhirled

      Didn’t he recently state that he was going to retire early, making himself Pope Emeritus II?

  • mr.Truth

    This Pope is a humanist Joke

    • VendicarDecarian0

      He is certainly an intelligent and moral man.

      What does that make you?

      • mr.Truth

        Golly 23000 posts under this moniker Scott:) …still working as a Canadian janitor ? … can you say obsessed ?

        • VendicarDecarian0

          Never worked as a Janitor.

          Why do you need to lie about such things?

          Are you off your anti-psychosis medication?

          • mr.Truth

            You want the links ? You nutcase !

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Kooooooooooooook.

  • psadie

    I have never been so disgusted with my church as I am right now. The elitists put this Pope in power and now even the Vatican cannot be trusted. Dear GOD, help us all!

    • mr.Truth

      The homosexuals accrued the tipping power in the Catholic church and they knew Francis’s views in Argentina and they swung the election.

      • Interesting …

        • mr.Truth

          Indubitably

          • Perhaps this plan of the secret societies has succeeded

            “The Papacy has been for seventeen hundred years interwoven with the history of Italy. Italy can neither breathe nor move without the leave of the Supreme Pontiff…It is necessary to seek a remedy. Very well, a remedy is at hand. The Pope…will never enter into a secret society. It therefore becomes the duty of the secret societies to make the first advance to the Church and the Pope, with the object of conquering both.”

    • CKAinRedStateUSA

      “Dear GOD, help us all!”

      He is. He’s shaking His tree of people who call themselves Christian and seeing which rotten apples fall away.

      This is all biblical. Keep your heartsight and eyesight on Jesus and the Cross — and I mean the empty Cross, because Jesus died, was buried and resurrected.

      • VendicarDecarian0

        Conservatism is rapidly dying.

        The future of the universe is Liberalism.

        Christ, after all was a Liberal.

        • Please refrain from lying.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Christ was a Liberal.

          • Matthew 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
            .
            Harsh words for “liberals”.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Why is that?

            Are you trying to say that Republicans are harsh, and do not follow the infinite love of Christ?

          • Now you are trying to equate “Republicans” with “liberals”….

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Don’t be silly. Republicans are children of Lucifer.

  • VendicarDecarian0

    “All of the selected experts (who answered the questions in 2004 and 2005) gave moderate (~15-25%) to quite high probabilities (50-80%) for this event to have occurred by 2015.” – article

    Lie.

    No scientist has ever claimed that the Greenland Ice sheet would have completely melted by 2015.

    Why does the author feel a need to lie about such things.

  • Huckleberry Muckleroy

    My goodness, that rant really exposed Mr. Briggs’ disdain of climate theory and Gaia theory so much that he piles sophism upon sophism in complete disregard for his reputation as a writer. Whilst Briggs may feel better for having done so, neither Schellnhuber’s nor Gaia’s reputation have suffered for it.

    • RandomUser99

      The pope taking counsel from a godless pagan like Schellnhuber is a big deal. This is a big scoop for Briggs.

      • VendicarDecarian0

        I have no idea of Schellnhuber is a pagan, but we do know that Gaia theory is respected in the scientific community.

        If you can prove it wrong, then do so and then submit a paper.

    • VendicarDecarian0

      Correct.

  • BraveNewWhirled

    Blessed is the man who walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful. But his delight is in the law of the LORD and in his law doth he meditate day and night.

    And he shall be like a tree which is planted by the rivers of water, that bringeth forth his fruit in his season; his leaf also shall not whither, and whatsoever he doeth shall prosper. The ungodly are not so, but are like the chaff which the wind driveth away.

    Sometimes it takes a bit for the wind to kick up, but it can be counted on.

    • mr.Truth

      Amen 🙂 He is Perfect in All His Ways.

  • OMG. We have a Pope Obama!
    Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but underneath are ravenous wolves.
    By their fruits you will know them. Do people pick grapes from thorn bushes, or figs from thistles? Just so, every good tree bears good fruit, and a rotten tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, nor can a rotten tree bear good fruit. Every tree that bears bad fruit will be cut down and thrown into the fire. So by their fruits you will know them. Matthew 7:15-20

  • CKAinRedStateUSA

    That the Pope is a true believer in catastrophic man-made global warming shows:

    — he is ignorant of science
    — he sins because he involves himself in the sins of others (politicized scientists who’ve dismissed the scientific method, “policy” hacks, Democrat Party, Obama et. al.)
    — he lies
    — he is hypocritical
    — his advisers, including Schellnhuber, do/are all the above
    — he has joined himself and the Catholic Church to the Church of the Eco-Wacko-Religionists

    I am a Protestant Christian, as well as an engineer and analyst, and I’m outraged.

    • VendicarDecarian0

      The pope is exactly in line with modern climate science. He is very well informed and in agreement with 98 percent of the rest of the worlds scientists.

    • Mollie Norris

      Censorship is certainly effective in manipulating public opinion. Rothschilds’ ownership of AP and Reuters, climatecentral and climatewundergound, and Lynne Rothschild’s geoengineering company are as effective as alteration of data and replacement of data by computer models that produce politically correct trends; as effective as Alinsky’s teaching that lies are an acceptable means of achieving political goals. It’s still pretty difficult to bury the voices of the 31,487 scientists who signed the Oregon Petition stating that the UN’s Kyoto Agreement harms the environment, hinders science, and damages the health and welfare of humankind. Pope Francis has made a clear staement in support of political deception and against truth in favor of paganism and money and power.

  • Mac-101

    It sure looks like da End Times be A-commin. Git right with G-d NOW!

  • Christene Bartels

    Love One Another:
    John 13:34-35 “A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.”

    Prayer for all Believers
    20″I do not ask on behalf of these alone, but for those also who believe in Me through their word; 21that they may all be one; even as You, Father, are in Me and I in You, that they also may be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me. 22″The glory which You have given Me I have given to them, that they may be one, just as We are one;…

    That would be Jesus speaking.

    The Catholic Church has been on earth for two thousand years. At present, it is comprised of over one billion Christians in 24 different churches within 8 different rites all united in one faith and united with the Pope. How many of the some 33 thousand different Protestant denominations worship together?

    And by the way, we Catholics do not view you as the enemy. You are our separated brothers and sisters in Christ. We are just waiting for the family feud to end.

    • CKAinRedStateUSA

      If you think for one instant that because that all Catholics are “united in one faith” and “united with the Pope,” then you’re at least deceived, if not deluded.

      And, as a Protestant Christian, so what that there are so many denominations? My brothers and sisters in Christ whom I know worship and believe in Jesus the Messiah.

      The denominations that do not keep their eyes on Jesus and His Cross will disappear, as will the Catholic Church, if they fail in doing that.

      And “separated” brothers and sisters in Christ? Oh, please.

      Those remarks are the result of the influence of the Evil One, the Father of Lies, the Bringer of Chaos, Satan. You should know that. Or maybe that’s not what you’re taught.

      • Christene Bartels

        You better be 100% positive that those sentiments are 100% absolutely true because if they are not you may be dangerously close to blaspheming the Holy Spirit. And we all know from scripture how well that generally works out.

        • The Roman Catholic Church has thought “to change times and laws”, just as prophesied of in Daniel.
          .
          The 7th day is the Sabbath of the Lord thy God.
          But the RCC says “Sunday is the mark of our authority.

        • Marcos Carlos

          Google and read JESUIT OATH.

      • Christene Bartels

        And BTW I am a convert to the Catholic Church so I’ve heard this all before.

        • Marcos Carlos

          Without looking it up….Quick….What does the word Catholic mean? What is its etymology?

          • Christene Bartels

            Universal

          • Christene Bartels

            And no, I didn’t have to Google it.

      • Christene Bartels

        I was a Missouri Synod Lutheran. We thought the ELCA was a den of iniquity.

    • Marcos Carlos

      Keep eating that flesh and drinking that blood then….Bet you haven’t spent over 20000 hours STUDYING the Bible like I have. I also bet you do not read Hebrew like I do. Therefore you probably do not realize that the 4th word of the Bible is GODS. Maybe you also do not know that the letter “J” is less than 500 years old?

      • Opining on the letter “J” is unhelpful to the discussion at hand.

      • Mollie Norris

        Cherry-picking God’s commandments as Christene has done is an interesting example of entitlement coming from someone who calls themself a Christian.

    • Catholics don’t view Protestants as the enemy? Then why did they kill so many of them in the past?

      • Christene Bartels

        For the same reason Protestants killed Catholics. We are all sinners and often just really lousy human beings.

        • Agreed we are all sinners and must have the blood of Jesus Christ to cleanse us from our sins.
          .
          Not agreed that because a few Protestants have killed Catholics, that somehow makes the Inquisition on the same level.
          .
          Please read Foxe’s book of Martyrs sometime for a good review of the atrocities carried out by the RCC and some pagans against Bible-believing Christians.

          • Christene Bartels

            The Inquisition was 500 years ago. At some point, charity needs to exercised and everyone moves on.

          • So maybe the claims of the Roman Catholic Church that she never changes is false today too? Or is your call for charity selective?

          • Christene Bartels

            I’m not sure what you are referring to, but as a former Protestant I know we could keep this up all night and for another 500 years for that matter. It’s almost midnight where I am and it’s WAYYYY past my bedtime. So I’m going to have to say good night. God bless you on your faith journey. One day we will see things through different eyes and realize none of this really mattered after all.

          • This really does matter, as our souls’ eternal salvation depends on whether we serve the true God or not. I pray you return to your Protestant roots, and leave the great harlot who reigns over the kings of the earth.
            Have a good nite.

          • Christene Bartels

            If our eternal salvation depends on whether we worship and praise God on the correct day and other such silly minutiae then I think we can safely say we can all just pack it in because we have turned God into a petty, narcissistic tyrant.

          • Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it. Exodus 20:8-11.
            .
            Are there any other “silly” things written by God with his finger in stone that you currently don’t want to follow?
            .
            If you love Jesus, you will gladly keep his commands.

          • Christene Bartels

            I completely agree. If we love Jesus we will keep His commands. “For this is eternal life; that you know the one true God and the one whom He sent, Jesus Christ”.

            And this is the command He left us with;

            Love One Another:
            John 13:34-35 “A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.”

            Prayer for all Believers
            20″I do not ask on behalf of these alone, but for those also who believe in Me through their word; 21that they may all be one; even as You, Father, are in Me and I in You, that they also may be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me. 22″The glory which You have given Me I have given to them, that they may be one, just as We are one;…

          • Amen. You posted those inspired words earlier.
            Would you care to address the other commands God wrote with his own finger in stone? Jesus said if you love him, you will keep his commands (not just some commands). Don’t you love Jesus?

          • Christene Bartels

            Matthew 7:12 Therefore, whatever you want men to do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets.
            Matthew 22:37-40 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

            I will continue on my journey trying my best according to His word. Bless you as you journey on yours.

          • Thank you for your Christian courtesy, Christene. I’m praying for you now that you will choose to eat of the Tree of Life, because only those who keep God’s commands have the right to eat of it (Revelation 22:14).

          • Christene Bartels

            And I the same for you. Shalom. Have a blessed day 🙂

          • Christene Bartels

            Matthew 7:12 Therefore, whatever you want men to do to you, do also to them, for this is the Law and the Prophets.
            Matthew 22:37-40 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

          • Christene Bartels

            And no, I won’t be returning to my Protestant roots because THIS is how we spend our time! All tucked away in our safe little spiritual country clubs hurling insults at others who aren’t as spiritually “pure” and “wise” and “anointed” as we are.

            It’s just embarrassing.

          • Screwtape’s Nemesis

            I don’t mean to offend you because I know you mean well, but Foxe’s is propaganda. Scholars during the last couple of decades have done a lot of research into the inquisitions, and the reality is that most everyone judged by them was acquitted. The reality also is, believe it or not, that the inquisitions were works of mercy designed to save people from capricious secular authorities.

            A good documentary on the subject is “The Myth of the Spanish Inquisition”: youtube(dot)com/watch?v=CY-pS6iLFuc

            It was created by the BBC, not a Catholic organization.

            And here is a good essay on the subject:
            thefreelibrary(dot)com/The+Inquisition+and+iniquity%3A+burning+heretics+or+history%

          • You are welcome to disbelieve observed historical facts if you wish, Screwtape.

          • Screwtape’s Nemesis

            I could say the same to you. God bless.

      • Red47

        That was largely the political mash-up…and a little thing called heresy.

        • “Heresy” of studying the BIble for yourself?
          Or was it the “heresy” of pointing out that selling little slips of paper to allow you to sin was totally against everything Jesus stood for?

          • Red47

            I am pretty sure the Catholics of the era had a pretty clear definition of heresy.

          • No doubt they did. And their definition was directly against the teachings of Jesus Christ. That is why God called for his children to leave the mother harlot.

  • 1stAfterburner

    I this the same bunch of power rascals that waited until 1992, 350 years to apologize for putting Galileo under house arrest for publishing that the Earth revolved around the Sun. I would not bet the house on the scientific integrity of the Catholic Church.

    • VendicarDecarian0

      Neither would I, but since the Pope has accurately represented the science – he is trained in science – there is no need to worry about anyone’s integrity except the integrity of the Denialists.

      • 1stAfterburner

        Denialists? Wow, name calling,. that is being open minded,..”Sun-Centerest” that’s what the Pope would have called you,..or perhaps you do believe that the Earth is still the center of the Universe? Fact is the world has been on a cooling trend the last decade,..but I am sure you and your camp-followers will find a reason for why it is cooling,..the sun has it’s cycles,..and unless Martians are creating Martian caused Mars climate change,…the sun,..which has had the most cooling and lack of sun spots in a long long time,..but it is not really logic but manipulation,..and this socialist all prissy and some one who is much greater than I articulated it the best: “They pile heavy burdens on people’s shoulders and won’t lift a finger to help. 5 Everything they do is just to show off in front of others. They even make a big show of wearing Scripture verses on their foreheads and arms, and they wear big tassels for everyone to see (Boy the Catholics love their outfits,.esp. the Pope). They love the best seats at banquets and the front seats in the meeting places. And when they are in the market, they like to have people greet them as their teachers”.

      • Mollie Norris

        His staements about climate science are all false; strictly political disinformation.

        • VendicarDecarian0

          Sorry, but the Pope’s comments are exactly in line with what Climatologists have been saying for decades now.

          Why do you feel a need to lie about simple facts like that Mollie?

          • Mollie Norris

            The Pope’s statements on climate science are all false; they’re exactly in line with what climatologists who state results that aren’t based on climate and are based on a political agenda.
            By definition, all statements supporting the fiction of critical anthropogenic climate change are false.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Poor Mollie. You can’t define away reality no matter how much you want to. Nature doesn’t listen or follow you whims.

            You might as well try defining an elephant to be a mouse. Doing so will not change the physical properties of an Elephant.

            There is a label that we apply to someone who thinks that think as you do.

            That label is “mentally ill”.

  • elwap0

    It nice he and the Pope share the same faith..

  • VendicarDecarian0

    The Pope has taken an informed, moral stand, and committed the Catholic Church to that moral imperative.

    Denialism however is uninformed, irrational, and immoral position to take.

    • Schellnhuber denies his Lord and Creator. By choosing him for this, the pope is showing that he also denies his Lord and Creator.

      • VendicarDecarian0

        Kooooooook.

        The pope uses toilet paper made by people who believe in the loch ness monster. Hence he also must believe in the loch ness monster.

        Kooooooooooook.

      • Mollie Norris

        I doust that Francis could have found a more politically motivated and less scientifically competent advisor, based on comments about him by fellow scientists in the Climategate emails. He’s an AGW bureaucrat and politician.

        • Seems like “politically motivated” is the controlling factor. Of course the RCC has always been about control of the conscience, and it will rule the world for a short while just before Jesus returns.

    • Red47

      Uh-oh, The new studies are all coming out. AGW won’t fry the world any time soon.
      http: //www .express.co.uk/ news/nature/586404/Britain-freezing-winters-slump-solar-activity

      • VendicarDecarian0

        “The new studies are all coming out.”- Red47

        I follow the scientific literature on this matter, and there are no new studies of the kind you claim.

        Why do you need to lie about such things?

        • Red47

          Not lying. Just read three of them.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            You have read a nonsense article written in a nonsense british tabloid.

            The same tabloid contains stories about UFO’s and sightings of the Loch Ness Monster.

          • Red47

            You don’t believe in those either?

      • VendicarDecarian0

        “Britain faces FREEZING winters as slump in solar activity threatens ‘little Ice Age'” – Red47

        Globally, 2014 was the warmest year on record.

        The first quarter of 2015 is the warmest first quarter ever recorded,

        • Red47

          There are more articles reporting the new findings. If you are intellectually honest, you will consider these new studies without predjudice.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            What new findings? New findings aren’t reported in newspapers? they are reported in Scientific Journals, and there are no findings supporting your position appearing in any scientific journal.

        • Red47

          mmm kay.

          • Cletus B Neckbeard

            Geez, Red, you haven’t bumped into VD before?

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Cletus is upset that his favorite flag is being burned all over America.

          • Cletus B Neckbeard

            Yeah, that’s it, Dullard.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Poor Cletus.

            youtube(DOT)com/watch?v=PaeZHqcjGZc

          • Red47

            Never bumped me any VD. 🙂
            I know you keep a low profile these days, but I miss the “hilarity”.

          • Cletus B Neckbeard

            That is good news! I thought it was a done deal. Happy days are here again!

          • Red47

            Indeed. I did as well.

          • Cletus B Neckbeard

            Assuming you still have my addie, drop me a line and I’ll offer you an explanation about the waning “hilarity.” I had computer problems recently and when I got ready to reload the hard drive, I forgot to save the addies.

          • Mollie Norris

            The UK reported an increase of 15,000 deaths during winter 2014 due to colder temperatures and the increase in fuel cost due to UN policies.

        • Mollie Norris

          The 20s were warmer; UHCN has decreased historical temperatures to create the illusion of recent warming. Even without this data alteration, 2014 wasn’t the hottest year; the statement ignores the tolerance intemperature measurements. NASA has also posted the fraudulent “97% consensus” on its website; representative of its lack of credibility. There’s nothing in the US corporate media about this, but EU and Austrlian websites mention fraud in US climate agencies regularly. UAH is the only US climate monitoring source that doesn’t alter data.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Liar. Liar.. Pants on fire.

            The 20’s were only warmer in North America, which comprises only about 5% of the global surface area.

            Globally, the land ocean temperature anomaly was about -0.3’C for the 1920’s.

            The Anomaly is about +0.6’C now.

            So globally the 20’s were 0.9’C cooler than they are today.

            Why did you need to lie about that fact Mollie?

  • VendicarDecarian0

    William M. Briggs: Numerologist to the Stars

    https://tamino(DOT)wordpress(DOT)com/2

    • Mollie Norris

      Tamino has an obvious preference for GISS altered data and ad homs over science. His bias towrds political correctness over science is obvious. Gavin Schmidt’s removal of surface stations in cool areas and placement of stations in artificially warmed spots; at airports, on asphalt heated by the sun, etc, is well-documented. Climate scientists in many regions have posted complaints about incorrect high temperatures reported as a result of the placement of surface stations in spots chosen intentionally to create the illusion of warming.

      • VendicarDecarian0

        It seems to be lost on you that when all surface stations are included in the analysis, the estimated global temperature rise is HIGHER, then when the stations denialists complain about are removed for reasons of poor station quality.

        If you don’t like their removal then you can just turn to the BEST surface temperature analysis, which produces the same results as all the others, and uses uncorrected station data.

        Awwwww.. You poor Loser.

  • VendicarDecarian0

    William M. Briggs has misunderstood a high-school level data graph

    scienceblogs(DOT)com/gregla…

    • RandomUser99

      What do any of these sophmoric personal attacks have to do with the article? The Pope used a godless pagan to counsel him on global warming… end of story.

      • VendicarDecarian0

        They show that M. Briggs has a less than sophomoric comprehension of science.

        The article he has written here contains numerous errors and falsehoods.

        • Mollie Norris

          What errors and falsehoods?

    • Mollie Norris

      Briggs’ graph acknowledges climate cycles; it’s the appropriate interpretation of the graph. IPCC political science doesn’t. For example, the current El Nino is interpreted as a wraming TREND, rather than normal cyclical warming that alternates with La Nina cooling cycles. The PDO, occurring now, is also ignored and misrepresented as warming.

      • VendicarDecarian0

        Liar. Liar.. Pants on fire…

        No climate scientist has ever claimed that the current El-Nino or any El-Nino is part of a climate trend.

        If you aren’t lying then provide a quite that can be substantiated where a climate scientist has said this.

        Why do you feel a need to lie about such things?

  • Red47

    Oops, Pope. The new data is out. I would imagine this is the reason for Obama and the Pope to be increasing the urgency of their faux AGW mantra.
    Britain faces FREEZING winters as slump in solar activity threatens ‘little Ice Age’

    • VendicarDecarian0

      What new data? New data isn’t reported in newspapers? it is reported in Scientific Journals, and there are no findings supporting your position appearing in any scientific journal.

  • VendicarDecarian0

    Conservatism is rapidly dying.

    The future of the universe is Liberalism.

    Christ, after all was a Liberal..

    • RandomUser99

      Maybe you could show us the scriptures where Jesus says to put your faith in government.

      • VendicarDecarian0

        The catholic church is the government of Christ.

        • Marcos Carlos

          BULLSH*T !

          • VendicarDecarian0

            More denial of reality from the enemies of Christ.

      • VendicarDecarian0

        Peacemaking, not War Making: Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God. [Matthew 5:9] Resist
        not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also. [Matthew 5:39] I say unto you, Love your
        enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despite-fully use you, and persecute
        you; [Matthew 5:44]

        The Death Penalty: Thou shalt not kill [Matthew 5:21]

        Crime and Punishment: If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to cast a stone at her. [John 8:7] Do not judge, lest
        you too be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged and with the measure you use, it will be measured to
        you. [Matthew 7:1 & 2.]

        Justice: Blessed are they which do hunger and thirst after righteousness: for they shall be filled. [Matthew 5:6] Blessed are the
        merciful: for they shall obtain mercy [Matthew 5:7] But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your
        trespasses. [Matthew 6:15]

        Corporate Greed and the Religion of Wealth: In the temple courts [Jesus] found men selling cattle, sheep and doves and other
        sitting at tables exchanging money. So he made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple area, both sheep and cattle;
        he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables. [John 2:14 & 15.] Watch out! Be on your guard against
        all kinds of greed; a man’s life does not consist in the abundance of his possessions. [Luke 12.15.] Truly, I say unto you, it will
        be hard for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven. [Matthew 19:23] You cannot serve both God and Money. [Matthew 6:24.]

        Paying Taxes & Separation of Church & State: Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar’s; and unto God the
        things that are God’s. [Matthew 22:21]

        Community: Love your neighbor as yourself. .[Matthew 22:39] So in everything, do to others as you would have them do to you.
        [Matthew 7:12.] If you would be perfect, go, sell what you possess and give to the poor, and you will have treasure in heaven.
        [Matthew 19:21]

        Equality & Social Programs: But when you give a feast, invite the poor, the maimed, the lame, the blind, and you will be blessed,
        because they cannot repay you. You will be repaid at the resurrection of the just. [Luke 14:13 &14.]

        Public Prayer & Displays of Faith: And when thou pray, thou shall not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in
        the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.
        But thou, when thou pray, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret…
        [Matthew 6:6 & 7]

        Strict Enforcement of Religious Laws: If any of you has a son or a sheep and it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will you not take
        hold of it and lift it out? [Matthew 12:11] The Sabbath was made for man, and not man for the Sabbath. [Mark 2:27.]

        Individuality & Personal Spiritual Experience: Ye are the light of the world. [Matthew 5:14]

        • mr.Truth

          Dear Buffoon 🙂
          Jesus is also the Lord of Hosts and while you personally are not to go to war except to protect the innocent ..He has often utterly devoted entire cultures to destruction ..using Israel and when He returns His enemies will swim in blood “up to the horses bridles”
          Only a nitwit tries to use half of the Scripture and therefore cannot understand the other half .

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Yup. God is a Liberal.

            In fact the entire universe has a strong Liberal Bias.

            Infinite in fact.

          • mr.Truth

            You are freaking so clueless it’s almost humorous ..you have no clue what you are talking about and I can assure you that that is quite clear.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Yup. God is a Liberal.

            In fact the entire universe has a strong Liberal Bias.

            Infinite in fact.

        • RandomUser99

          Cherry pick as you might, none of those are liberal issues in the modern sense of the word. None of his teachings are about earthly kingdoms, or big government, or putting your trust in the authorities. It’s all about PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY, INTEGRITY, FAITH and a direct relationship with the creator of the universe. Epic fail as I expected.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Isn’t it interesting how American Capitalism has destroyed Christmas and the Christian Sabbath?

          • RandomUser99

            Interesting how liberalism has destroyed Christianity in Europe.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Excellent.

    • Andy from Beaverton

      Christ was not a liberal, since there were no governments handing out welfare checks 2000 years ago. If Christ was a liberal, would he really say, “Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime”

      • VendicarDecarian0

        Biblically documented teachings of Jesus
        Christ clearly show that Jesus is a Liberal. His philosophy, based in compassion, equality,
        inclusion, forgiveness, tolerance, peace and – most importantly – love, is 100% Liberal.

        • mr.Truth

          Dear moron 🙂 <—- nothing personal .

          The Word of God is replete with Jesus demanding , many times , that those who heard Him had to obey and follow every Yod and Tittle of the Mosaic Law. From the greatest to the Least and NOT suspend doing even the very least of them . If they did not – and especially if they taught others not to ..then they became the "least" in the Kingdom of God and if they did the Least and taught others to do the same – they became the "Greatest " in the Kingdom of heaven .

          I know this is all news to your goofy self 🙂 – But Jesus is actually He who gave the Law from Mt. Sinai .

          So Jesus often told His listeners that they must DO every teensy , tiny bit of the Law spoken by the Scribes and Pharisees because they "sat in the Seat of Moses" which your illiterate self obviously knows nothing about .

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Koooooooook

            Take your anti-psychotic meds.

          • mr.Truth

            Because you simply have neither the capability of insight or the knowledge of the Word of God to understand why the Spirit speaks thru the Word of God to the Believer and assures that the Law is Holy and Good and Just . The “ergon nomos” is no longer active [I’m know I’m talking to some moron who has NO clue what the difference is between the ergon nomos or even what I am talking about] but that which is the end of the Law is still in force . God never changes.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Poor Mr. Truth. He presumes to speak for God.

            What a heretic.

            Christ was of course a Liberal.

          • mr.Truth

            You are actually supposed to speak as God does you illiterate :to warn and counsel about consequences of sin ..what sin is and how you can avoid being as clueless about that as your are 🙂

            By the way nitwit …Jesus is the One who commanded that homosexuals receive the punishment of stoning for homosexual acts and conduct ..which was in force for 1200 years …quite the liberal eh 🙂 ???

          • VendicarDecarian0

            And now mr.Truth starts to speak in tongues.

            Koooook.

          • mr.Truth

            Have a good night nitwit )
            Lord bless you to lead you to Himself !

          • VendicarDecarian0

            The place suddenly smells better.

          • Lockie Holland

            why do you presume it is himself?

          • mr.Truth

            Because He Is.

          • Lockie Holland

            god never changes, and you in your own words are not god either, so your capability to understand “god” is never accurate. this is a silly discussion.

          • mr.Truth

            Blessed is the man who is Known by God . You simply are not capable of understanding .

          • While I disagree with “mr. Truth” calling you bad names, as you also are made in the image of God, his statement regarding the law is exactly correct. Is “Koooooooook” really a reply?

          • mr.Truth

            heheeeee 🙂 … I insult him because he is insufferably stupid on these matters and It’s very clear.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            His statement is not in any way relevant.

          • mr.Truth

            By the way scott you are a well known global warming internet kook …do a search on the vindicar stuff and read all about it …

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Are you incapable of saying anything of substance?

            Lying and being a Kook seems to be your only way of responding to facts.

          • mr.Truth

            Do you want your links you nutcase ?

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Kooooooooook. Get back on your meds.

          • mr.Truth

            You are recognized by all your fans as an obsessed nitwit – if you want me to post some of your fan mail 🙂 I’ll be glad to do it…. But I would suggest that some decade you actually get a life 🙂

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Kooooooooook. Get back on your meds.

          • Andy from Beaverton

            23,000 posts and only 8,700 up votes. I didn’t think it was post to get one up vote for every three posts. Looks like his followers are less loyal than Judas.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Why would the enemies of truth upvote someone who tells the truth?

            Koooooook.

          • Lockie Holland

            how can you say that you know, the word of god, when god is love and openess, pretty much a liberal as you would say in your culture. you condeming this person is not christlike at all

          • mr.Truth

            God is hardly a liberal and that is the reason that most unbelievers believe in 2 Gods .. a “pink-triangled” , rebellious Son – Who considers His Father some type of ancient homophobe and then a “meany old testament ” God who is the Lord of Hosts and led Israel into the wilderness and then into the Land ..after drowning the army of Pharaoh in the Red Sea.

            You have no capability of reconciling the two and like all of the clueless just assume they are opposed – when in TRUTH He is One – Co -eternal ..Co-present and Self Existent.

            God does not change and Jesus is God.

          • Harold

            ABSOLUTELY!!!

            And never forget that THE God of LOVE; took a look at Sodom ad said: “NUKE IT!”

            And you are totally clueless!

        • Andy from Beaverton

          I really doubt that you are a Catholic or a Christian. They way you have behaved in this current forum shows us all that you are really bigoted, mean and non-tolerant.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            I don’t tolerate the kind of Tea Bagger ignorance that is being shown here.

            No moral, rational person would.

          • mr.Truth

            You don’t tolerate knowledge or thinking either:) and THAT is real obvious

          • VendicarDecarian0

            I suppose that is why you don’t like Liberals. They are knowledgeable thinkers.

            Not your kind.

          • Andy from Beaverton

            The only reason you are on this forum is not because you believe and follow the pope, but only because the pope believes in global warming like you. If we were back at the time of Christ, I’m sure you would believe like the majority of people did, that the Earth was flat.

          • VendicarDecarian0

            I am an Atheist.

            And you are a Liar.

          • Lockie Holland

            actually people knew the earth was round back then, it was just euorpean dark age where that was forgotten

          • Lockie Holland

            dont throw stones

        • Lockie Holland

          beyond “liberal” my freind 🙂

        • Harold

          inclusion, tolerance,

          Obviously you have never read Deuteronomy 28! 🙂 ! [Or Romans Chap 1, for that matter.]

          • VendicarDecarian0

            Which were written before God’s new covenant with man.

            Kooooook

          • Harold

            The Old Testament, in which Jesus Christ was The One Who walked over to ancient Sodom [The USA is modern “sodom”] and said; “NUKE IT because of the sodomites there!” was Authored by the exact same Author of the New Testament.

            The very SAME Christ said: “I came NOT to destroy the LAW ad the prophets, but to fulfill.”

            THE EXACT same God told Israel to kill everything that moved in Canaan when they entered. NOT very “inclusive” was He? NO “tolerance” [NONE!] at all for certain SIN!!!

            Having read some of the rest of your illiterate, ignorance no one capable of critical thought [Christ would be a lib—RIGHT 🙂 just keep on with that stupidity !] would think you are older than an 8th grader!

          • VendicarDecarian0

            I see. So you believe that Christ was not only a Republican, he was a time traveler.

            Koooooooook.

        • Danceswithdachshunds

          “His philosophy, based in compassion, equality, inclusion, forgiveness, tolerance, peace and – most importantly – love, is 100% Liberal.”

          Lib “Compassion” – Killing 1,000,000 unborn every year
          Lib “Equality” – Affirmative Action quotas
          Lib “Inclusion” – “Women, children and minorities”
          Lib “Forgiveness” – Run Mark Sanford out of office
          Lib “Tolerance” – Sheldon Whitehouse, (“arrest climate deniers”)
          Lib “Peace” – “We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction.” – Ted Kennedy (or Clinton bombing an aspirin factory in the Sudan killing a poor security guard)
          Lib “Love” – Two men hooking up in a bath house to perform an unnatural act then never seeing each other again.

          Yeah – Christ was just like that! … in the “mind” of a lib that is.

      • Lockie Holland

        hilarious misuse of a spiritual truth, but hey hahah that the biz of religion right!

      • You do realize that quote isn’t from Jesus, don’t you? It’s actually from Anne Isabella Thackeray Ritchie, a 19th century novelist.

        It’s silly to talk about Jesus as either a liberal or a conservative. But it’s even sillier for someone with zero biblical literacy even to have an opinion on the matter.

    • mr.Truth

      No nitwit – Christ was not a liberal

      • VendicarDecarian0

        Take your meds mr.Truth.

        Of course Christ was a Liberal.

        • Cletus B Neckbeard

          You are wrong and Truth is right. Deal with it.

          • VendicarDecar