Questions for Christians on the Immigrant Caravan

By John Zmirak Published on November 27, 2018

The recent events on the U.S. border have been manipulated by media, and exploited by grandstanding politicians and pastors. So much so, that I am actually hesitant to make explicit statements. I feel as if that would almost be pointless, like meeting a person who’s deaf and simply shouting at him more loudly.

Instead I would like to ask a series of questions. Please pose them to anyone who condemns the recent, moderate, humane use of force to defend American borders. See if he has any answers.

Some Discussion Questions

Is it wrong to use moderate force to defend a nation’s borders?

How about when Mexico does it?

Is it wrong when Congo does it?

And when Malaysia does it?

When people violate the law, do we expect officers of the law to enforce it?

Do we let officers of the law physically restrain or otherwise disable people who are violating the law? For instance, if someone gets drunk and is hurling shot glasses against the wall of a bar?

Does it matter if that person is unarmed?

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Do you remember when media represented the Syrian refugee “crisis” with a heartbreaking photo of a drowned Syrian boy?

Do you know that the overwhelming majority of Muslim immigrants to Europe in the wake of that photo were military age young men? That rape epidemics have struck every country that accepted them?

Let’s say someone who is hurling shot glasses at a bar happens to have one of his minor children present. Must the police back away, and let him keep doing it?

If someone comes in to rob a bank, and brings his minor children, do we let him use them as human shields? And withdraw all police from the area, letting him leave with the money?

What other laws should we suspend, if people bring their kids when they try to violate them? Can you please make a list?

Does the American government have the right to protect those costly goods using the appropriate level of force? Or must it annul its laws? Back down when a caravan of mostly military-age young men put women and children at the front?

Does residence in the U.S. have a monetary value? As opposed to, say, living in Honduras? Are there valuable goods and services that someone breaking into the U.S. would obtain by force?

For instance, free legal representation? Thousands of dollars in aid from U.S. non-profits? The opportunity to disappear into the U.S., and work illegally, and bear children who will become U.S. citizens, and collect welfare benefits?

When Barack Obama used tear gas against rock-throwing immigrants, media never complained. How are things different today?

Does the American government have the right to protect those costly goods using the appropriate level of force? Or must it annul its laws? Back down when a caravan of mostly military-age young men put women and children at the front?

Are only the United States, or other Western countries, subject to such standards? If so, why?

The primary complaint offered by Central American refugees is the chaos in their home countries due to the collapse of the rule of law. And the failure of the government to protect private property. Should we assuage their grievances by replicating those same failures in America?

Unfit Parents

If an American parent dragged his helpless children through 1,000 miles of dangerous countryside, much of it desert, would U.S. social services intervene? Would they deprive a parent of custody as unfit? If so, then shouldn’t new arrivals at the U.S. border be subject to the same expectations?

Should parents who took their children on this dangerous journey be sent to social services to see if they are fit parents?

When Barack Obama used tear gas against rock-throwing immigrants, media never complained. How are things different today?

International law demands that “refugees” seek refuge in the “first safe country” they enter. These Central American refugees were offered asylum and work visas in Mexico. How are they still “refugees”? Please explain.

Why Is This Happening?

There is a vast economic inequality between the U.S. and Central America. Is this the result of

  1. Exploitative American colonialism, which directly caused the poverty in these countries.
  2. Random chance, the luck of the draw.
  3. Inherited cultural and political expectations dating back to Colonial New Spain that grant economic benefits to those with political power.PIG Immigration

If 3., how will millions of immigrants from Latin America vote? Upon arrival they will be eligible for U.S. government benefits much more lucrative than the wages of 40 or 50 hour weekly jobs in their home countries. Most of them will ultimately be eligible for citizenship.

Will they back:

  1. Small government, secure private property, and traditional Anglo-American liberties?
  2. Marxist redistribution of property?
  3. The expansion of the American welfare state, and whatever party offers that — regardless of its views on abortion, same sex marriage, or religious liberty?

These are the questions I’d like to hear people ask. And maybe even answer.

 

John Zmirak is co-author with Al Perrotta of The Politically Incorrect Guide to Immigration.

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  • Chip Crawford

    Yes, indeed. I marvel once again at the strength to stand for hard but right principle and against political and emotional blackmail leading to severe weakening and overpowering by enemies to freedom and a sound nation.

    • Paul

      A lot of RINOs have lost their way as well. Plenty of Rs were posturing against child separation/detention instead of asking and answering critical questions like John has here.

      • Chip Crawford

        A lot of them have cleared out or will by the end of the year, but Paul, it’s really not the point …

        • Paul

          Opening sentence: “The recent events on the U.S. border have been manipulated by media, and exploited by grandstanding politicians and pastors.”

          Singling out Ds when plenty of Rs played the game as well will tend to obfuscate the political problem. If all Rs for decades were showing the force of character like Trump about illegal aliens then we wouldn’t be in this mess to begin with. We’d have a border wall and a small fraction of the current illegal alien problem in America. Sure the Ds make matters worse but the Rs have failed to deliver and now it will be Trump having a bare knuckle brawl to fully fund the wall.

          • Chip Crawford

            Well, actually that’s just until the end of the year. As you may have noticed, several of the detractors on the Senate side like Flake and Corker are retiring. There are about 3 extra new Republicans to date and among the new crop, whether replacing other Republicans or unseating Democrats, there are some very Trump administration supporting go-getters like Rick Scott and Marsha Blackwell, and those vibrant new younger men. I really think the coalition will be stronger in favor of the Trump agenda. He’ll have more pulling with him and won’t have to pander to the mercurial Collins and Merkowski so much. There’s an appreciable uptick in solidarity with the new Senate. The House, of course, is a different story, but we do have good fighters there as well as the President’s skills. The President remains strongly engaged and he has more with him where the heavy lifting comes in. And, of course, we are praying, aren’t we?

          • Paul

            Yes, you’re right especially about Flake, good riddance. Unfortunately though the problem long predates Trump. The can has been kicked for decades and now with the House flipped it doesn’t look good that it will get finally dealt with. Yes indeed pray, the next two years will be bonkers and divine guidance and providence are essential as always.

        • Hmmm…

          I agree; we need to wait and see how this new Congress lines up. It will be interesting for sure, and I see no reason at all to assume negativity.

      • apollo

        The congress has to defend our borders . That is their fundamental duty. Yet they will not do it. They should be impeached.

        • Paul

          Considering that would require self inflicted discipline, I think the more practical approach would be removing them at the ballot box.

  • Paul

    Great article, but why is the title singling out Christians? As your closing sentence indicates, everyone should be asking these questions.

    • Bryan

      I think it comes from the metaphor of shouting at a deaf person and expecting them to hear you. Christians are supposed to have eyes to see and ears to listen according to Jesus. I expect some that don’t will be the ones to whom Jesus says I never knew you.

    • jgmusgrove

      I suspect he singles out Christians because the Left frequently tries to use guilt to get Christians to support open borders, as in “we should welcome all refugees” or “what would Jesus do?”
      As other posters on other articles have replied, the call to help refugees was to help those who were willing to adopt the laws and morals of the new land, not bring their failed principles to infect our land. Although they fare fleeing rotten economic conditions in their home country, they are still bringing their beliefs in big government as the solution to their plight, an “un-American” belief.

      • Todd19731950

        Legal and illegal immigrants and “refugees” are the reason we have Jerry Brown and had Barak Obama, etc etc.

  • Howard Rosenbaum

    Yeah, the reason these are “Questions for Christians “ among other considerations should be obvious. Though sadly it is not.
    In some circles Christians limit themselves to something akin to circular reasoning when such social issues raise their conflicted head.
    You know the end justifies the means kinda thinking. The means here being the “ seeking refuge” fallacy promoted by the left . The only asylum claim appropriate for the majority of these “ invaders” is of the “crazy house” kind . The left has created that kind of crazy among their constituents.
    Among them perhaps, well intentioned Christians . Those who start with the assumption that these wandering wayfarers from other lands are really refugees.
    Otherwise the pertinent queries posed by Mr Zmirak would only then be ignored by the MSM & those likewise vested with commercial & political interest in these matters ….

    • Woobiefuntime

      Most would be conservative if the idiot’s in the party didn’t lump everyone together .. The reason is Latin America is pretty Catholic . I know because my church Is half Hispanic.

  • Hmmm…

    In this season of thanksgiving, I am truly thankfully to God for hearing our prayers and answering from Heaven. One must consider the amazing lineup of accomplishments! Then consider the major machinations of the Democrat machine blasted on key Administration endeavors over and over. They shot their best shots, giving it everything they had, working in tandem, laying mines and having almost full media cover, “star power” and it was all “brought to nought” as the KJV says. Mr. Trump is willing and able to stand and withstand, but we must bring to mind all that was done to oppose in the Kavanaugh hearings recently, so much more, time after time, the winning of the election itself, but

    “2 If it had not been the LORD who was on our side, when men rose up against us:
    3 Then they had swallowed us up quick, when their wrath was kindled against us:
    4 Then the waters had overwhelmed us, the stream had gone over our soul:
    5 Then the proud waters had gone over our soul.
    6 Blessed be the LORD, who hath not given us as a prey to their teeth.
    7 Our soul is escaped as a bird out of the snare of the fowlers: the snare is broken, and we are escaped.
    8 Our help is in the name of the LORD, who made heaven and earth.
    Psalm 124

    In this upcoming season, we can say clearly, seeing it before our eyes, Emmanuel – God is with us. And he will continue to be with us against the odds and new assaults and conundrums to come as we stay with Him.

  • Robert Ellingwood

    Good article. Very logical qustions and answers. The problem, as I see it, is the ones who oppose enforcing our laws, will not engage in common sense. They would never answer nor ask the questions you pose. It’s sad that we have reached a point where “feelings” trump all other considerations. I guess the constitution and the rule of law are no longer relevant. God help us and our children who inherit this mess.

  • Josh Bryant

    Hey, i’m Here. Your token leftist to come in and show you the error of your ways. Let’s knock out your proverbial teeth with some truths, and hell, i’ll even show you why, according to the Abraham is faiths, you’re certainly going to a very very terrible hell (luckily for you, the Abraham is religions are pretty much nothing but fairy tales. *whew* right? So don’t worry, there’s no eternal damnation, but we’ll get to that.)

    Also, if this comment gets deleted, whatever mod deletes this is admitting that they are a sham and an embarrassment to the integrity of religious debate. Almost as if you don’t have the stones to engage in a battle of wits, because you’re unarmed. 😉
    On to the subject at hand!

    1. Yes, it is wrong to not only defend a nations borders with force, but it is wrong to even have borders of a nation!
    Psalm 105:12-15 “When they were but few in number,
    few indeed, and strangers in it,they wandered from nation to nation,
    from one kingdom to another.
    He allowed no one to oppress them;
    for their sake he rebuked kings:
    “Do not touch my anointed ones;
    do my prophets no harm.”

    How silly for you all to forget, EIGHTY PERCENT of Latin America IS CHRISTIAN. First and foremost, you have parted with the ways of the Lord, Your God.

    2. Yes, when a law is broken, we expect those who broke it to be given due process, including the process of receiving asylum seekers. Unless you literally work for the department that determines eligibility of asylum, YOU HAVE NO AUTHORITY TO PASS JUDGEMENT ON WHETHER ASYLUM IS JUSTIFIED OR NOT. Period. Stick to your day job, for you are showing yourselves as bigoted and biased. The only reason you are an American citizen is because of luck of the draw. That’s it. You did not choose to be an American no more than the citizens of third world countries choose to be hungry and without food.

    3. Jeez, lack of context much? These people will die if they go back. Like I said, thank your God that you don’t have to choose between dying of hang organized executions and beheadings, and starving to death clutching your children at the border wondering what you did to deserve never having a break, And only knowing suffering. And you did know what that was like, I bet you know exactly why you are angry enough to hurl a rock. We have armored and armed military forces preventing them from claiming asylum, which, related to number 2 above, is NOT illegal. Pick one. Either asylum is legal, which, since WW2 is allowed by any country in the UN, or its legal, and we’re breaking international ‘law’ by preventing their entry. Either way, you’re a bad Christian for thinking so, pick one.

    4. Muslim men entering Europe, and having an increase in rape activity? Cite your sources. Be sure to include the bit where the reason for increased rape is specifically related to more Muslims. Also, would you deny the desperate woman who’s husband was a police officer killed by the cartel, with 3 children, just so you can keep out a man who MIGHT rape? For every criminal there are HUNDREDS of good, god fearing people. As population increases, so will the number of rapes. It’s a percentage. 1 out of ten doesn’t mean 2 out of 100. It means 2 out of 20, 3 out of 30. That’s how stuff works. Continued on my next comment.

  • Josh Bryant

    Also, on whether we should enforce laws, consider Deuteronomy 1:16 “ And I charged your judges at that time, “Hear the disputes between your people and judge fairly, whether the case is between two Israelites or between an Israelite and a foreigner residing among you.”

    Literally, you must treat the caravan as you would your own brethren.

    Also 24:17 “You shall not deprive the foreigner of justice”.

    Jeez, it’s looking more and more like you people forgot your place amongst the sheep.

    5. Are you claiming that military aged men are prone to rape? I can believe that the men who rape are most likely under the age of 60, so yea, ‘military age’. You are purposefully creating a false correlation between the military and rape. Rape occurs, and it is bad, and those that do it deserve punishment. You forgot to mention how America has a rape problem and it has a vastly lower Muslim population, not to mention a vastly higher population of males under 60! So by your metrics, they should keep Americans out of Europe too!

    6. Again with the bar and the shot glass throwing. There is something that disturbs me about people who fear monger by making false equivalence. A man, drunk at the bar, with a child somehow, is in a completely different place than a woman with her children, afraid of such an uncertain, possibly violent and life-threatening future, trying to clamor her way away from an ever present danger of rape, starvation, destitution, homelessness, and maybe even death by gunfire. If you cannot separate those two situations as being starkly different, I dont know what to say. Literally the only things they have in common is “object is thrown”.

    7. Remember, these people are not violating the law if they are claiming asylum. Also, if they were NOT claiming asylum, and simply trying to jump the fence, illlegally crossing the border is a misdemeanor. Same as a speeding ticket. If you were pulled over for a speeding ticket, with your minor in the back seat, do the police reserve the right to shoot tear gas at you and your children? So not only is what they are doing not illegal, but the few that are doing it the illegal way are out about a speeding tickets worth of guilt.

    Might I remind you of Numbers 9:14 “you shall have ONE statute, for BOTH the resident, AND the foreigner.”

    And to round that out, Deuteronomy 27:19 “Cursed be anyone who deprives the alien of justice.”

    Part 2 of 3(maybe 4)

    • Jbluebell2

      Tell me, sir, if these mostly young men are fleeing such oppression and terror in their home country, why are they proudly waving the flag of THAT country on their trek? Have you looked at the many pictures of the caravan? How many women and children do you count? And these few women and children are being put in front as human shields, disappearing from the caravan (can we say human trafficking?). That’s just SO Christian. Disease is rampant, they are suing because they don’t like the FREE food Mexico is providing, and while you don’t think it is such a big deal to allow a few criminals (including proven MS-13 gang members), their future victims might disagree. What you are conviently leaving out is that we are the MOST generous country in the world (both on a government and personal level) when it comes to helping the poor in this world. We give tens of millions of dollars in aid to Honduras alone. And these people coming from Honduras and Guatemala ARE NOT facing hangings and executions – you are inventing that ‘fact’! They by their own admission are looking for better economic conditions, not a factor in seeking asylum. Lastly, what open border advocates refuse to see is that if we were to allow every poor person in the world that wanted to come here in, we would end up in no better shape than the countries they came from and where is the sense in that? The poor in Central America are no more special than the poor in India, or Africa, or China, or Russia, so let us let them all come? Surely you can reason that this is ridiculous?

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