Prophetic Dreams Reveal Counterfeit Prophetic Voices, Exposures in the Church, and God’s Discipline

Join Wanda Alger and guest Andrew Whalen for a 90-minute conversation about some of his recent prophetic dreams about what God is doing in the Church — and why.

Wanda Alger is an ordained and commissioned fivefold leader who has been in ministry for more than 35 years and is passionate about interpreting life from Heaven’s perspective. She is called to speak to the Body of Christ about the mountain of government, godly leadership, and Kingdom authority. Her blogs, videos, books, and other resources are available at wandaalger.me.

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(00:01) And I’m starting to wonder, was it Jezebel’s teachings? Was Jezebel teaching us not to expose sin? Was Jezebel coming through the prophetic voice of the church saying, “Your your prophecy has to only be that which is positive. It’s got to appear loving. It’s got to appear bright and positive.

(00:26) ” Um, don’t go after the sin. And and the Lord’s saying, “No, if you don’t go and expose the sin, you’re going to leave my people in captivity.” And and thereby, I’m going to call your whole prophetic movement a dunghill. True prophecy is meant to free us. It’s meant to break the chains.

(00:47) It’s meant to bring us into the righteousness of Christ. Hey everyone, welcome again to another interview with Andrew Whalen. It has been quite a while since Andrew was on my channel. Uh actually uh he was on last time because of a dream that he had about IHOP KC and so man a lot has happened since then and he continues to have dreams and this is why uh we both knew the Lord wanted us to have a conversation again. So, Andrew, welcome.

(01:24) I’m glad that you could join us. Catch people up a little bit with what you’ve been doing lately. Yeah, thanks Wanda. Um, well, again, yeah, Andrew Alen and uh my wife Kelly and I, we uh lead Vanquish Prophetic Warriors. And yeah, our heart is just to help train up the body of Christ to um effectively um face spiritual warfare um according to the victory that we have in Jesus Christ.

(01:54) And so uh yeah, there’s my website, vanquishedpw.com. And uh yeah, so anyway, uh we are doing a lot with regards to that. We have a a membership that we do called Strike Force and we have a lot of different um uh guests on and different things like that. And then um yeah, I’ve just, you know, been had the opportunity to be a regular guest on Elijah’s streams.

(02:21) And so I’m um a lot of what I do is I’m I’m seeking the Lord and I’m writing down revelation. I’ll get dreams I get. And some of it I don’t know where to place it. And then some of it is, whoa, it’s, you know, real strong confirmation of what God’s doing. So, uh, it’s been a fun journey.

(02:39) My wife and I are lots of new beginnings. Um, we’re having a baby in June. And so, that’s Yeah, we’re, you know, we’re like, we have an 18year-old and now we’re gonna have a newborn. So, we’re like, well, here we go. You know, it’s a blessing. That’s awesome. Yep.

(02:59) It’s probably a sign of the time, isn’t it? Uh, I’m sure there’s a lot of prophetic things that you’ve uh probably seen in that, right? Oh, for sure. Yeah. Um, which I won’t go I won’t go on that tangent because there is a lot, but at some point I will kind of unpack what I think God’s saying. So, that’s awesome.

(03:18) Uh, and you know, Andrew, since we’ve uh really come to know each other, I’ve so appreciated your heart, uh, the purity of heart that you have, your integrity uh, before the Lord, your desire just to be, you know, biblically accurate, to have integrity in what you share, and even the dreams that you have, you know, the way that you offer them, you really invite us to be a part of interpreting things.

(03:39) You share your thoughts, but realize, you know, it’s a piece. And uh I know you and I had connected a while back because of our similar uh concerns about the nation you know and about what was happening there and you’ve had a lot of dreams about that. Uh but in the last year especially I think what’s reconnected us is even a similar passion for the church for the body of Christ and they are interrelated. We know that.

(04:02) But especially at this time uh of exposures when God is sanctifying his bride in new ways. Uh this is something else that we have a shared concern in. And again that’s where I heard I know you shared recently on Elijah’s dreams some dreams the Lord has given you concerning this. And so this is what uh I want you to share today of just these uh these dreams and the revelations that the Lord has given.

(04:26) And we’ll just have a conversation see where the Lord leads. Yeah. No absolutely. Um, well, I’ll just say this. It started off, um, I think God was confirming some things, um, to me because many, many years ago, um, well, before I go there, I’ll say I was at a conference this winter in Duth, Minnesota, and a young woman who I’d never met before came up to me, and she had seen me on something like, I don’t know, online or something.

(04:58) Anyway, she knew who I was. And so she came up and told me. She goes, “Hey, I want you to know I had a dream with you.” And um I was like, “Okay, I’m that always piques my interest.” I’m like, “Oh, It’s fun when you’re like, “Oh, I’m showing up in a stranger’s dreams.

(05:11) What’s going on here?” So I said, “Okay.” You know, and I had this question. I said, “Well, when did you have the dream?” And she said, “Well, it was last summer.” And she go, she’s looking at her journal. She goes, “Oh, it was July 3rd.” And immediately I felt the Holy Spirit say, “Pay attention.

(05:29) ” Um because that’s my birthday. And I was like, “Okay, I knew God was kind of honing in on something about even why he I knew like when she said that God was saying, I’m going to hone in on something that has to do with why you were born, why I put you in this earth.” And I was like, “Oh, okay.

(05:49) ” So, long story short, in her dream, uh she basically saw uh that she was in a laundry room and there was this um that she was preparing to go hear me speak. And on the way to go hear me speak, there was um seven giants that needed to be confronted. And uh long story short, God just began to to um summarize this for me and said,”Andrew, we cannot face our giants until we go to the laundry room.

(06:22) We have to get cleansing. We have to get purified. And when the Lord comes to his temple, he comes as a refiner’s fire and a launderer’s soap.” And he said, “Andrew, part of your call is to bring a cleansing, is to is to restore a a purity.” um into not you know into the body of Christ into the prophetic voice of the church.

(06:51) And so all you know so I that was an encounter I had and I knew the Lord was speaking to me and it reminded me of another dream that many many years ago probably like I think it was around 0708 in there that a young woman had and in the her dream uh she came up to me in the dream and asked me she said what do you do and I told her in that dream I sell soap and um you know it kind At first I was like that what does that dream mean? And over the years the Lord said part of what you’re going to do is is uh bring cleansing is to offer the purity, the

(07:29) cleansing, the washing. And um and so I feel like this is a significant season of time where God is saying pay attention. Part of what you’re called to do is to help prepare the body of Christ in the place of cleansing so that we can effectively cross over, face our giants, and bring the authority of the kingdom of heaven to actually advance what God wants us to do in the earth.

(08:05) But we can’t do that apart from the Lord coming, refining, and cleansing us. Wow, that is so powerful. You know, it it reminds me of a dream I had about 10 years ago. It was one of the significant dreams that has marked me as well. It was basically uh being in a cathedral and I knew it represented religion, the old guard.

(08:30) And literally it turned into a transformer just like the transformer movies, the whole thing. And I was inside it and a major transformation. This is what the the picture of was. But the next part of that, I was literally inside a washing machine. I could I could tell we were on spin cycle. And so when I hear you talk about the laundry room, I’ve been there.

(08:53) So I’m simply affirming that message that, you know, even what we’re experiencing now. The Lord has been preparing the way. He’s not surprised by what we’re going through, you know, and that we are probably some feel like we’re there in a spin cycle. I mean, what is going on? But yet it is unto something.

(09:11) What a beautiful picture that this isn’t just for its own sake. The Lord is preparing us for victory and and to really conquer our enemies. I mean obviously spiritually uh you know the enemy is spiritual adversary that comes against us. Uh and so this is why we need to go through this. That’s awesome. Yeah. No, absolutely.

(09:32) And um you know I think that uh that there’s a measure of the fear of the Lord that is being returned and restored to the body of Christ. And um I’ve personally I’ve I’ve been in an unusual for me it’s felt unusual is just this intense fear of the Lord. And it’s not been tormenting but it’s been very sobering.

(10:00) And uh I feel like part of what the fear of the Lord does is it searches it allows you to be aware of the eyes of the Lord that he sees that that there is uh you know he sees all and he knows all and there’s such a an awareness and a sobriety that should come with that. And and so I think there’s something that he’s doing in his body right now where he’s letting the body of Christ know I’ve seen it all.

(10:26) I know it all. There’s nothing that remains hidden from me. There is nothing you can hide. If you make your bed in hell, I’m there. You know, I see it all. I know it all. And there is a season and a time where we have to give some account. And there I think we’re there.

(10:49) I think we’re at that place where um yeah, and and so it’s it’s it’s a shaking time. It’s a cleansing time. It’s kind of painful at times and yet it’s oh so necessary. It’s oh so necessary. And so that’s where I think we’re at. And I have this other dream. Let me pull it up on my note. It was on December this December uh 1227.

(11:20) So, in my dream, I was at a smaller conference gathering and I was there with Leonard Ravenh Hill. And some might know who Leonard Ravenhill is. Um, he wrote a book called uh what’s that? Who is he for those that don’t know? Okay. Yeah. Leonard Raven Hill was he was a real holiness preacher.

(11:51) Um he was um I think he was a prophet in his own right. I mean, he just really brought forth a plum line uh a a call to to walk in righteousness and purity and holiness. And he was he was a fiery guy. And um and so when I think of him in these dreams, I’ve had several dreams with him over the years. And often times I believe that he he is kind of representative of the call to um uh walk in purity.

(12:24) I think it has to do sometimes I think he represents the spirit of the fear of the Lord in my dreams. And then there are times where I think he represents that uh that call for purity in the prophetic as well. So I’ll never forget actually Wanda before I share that dream is I had a dream with when this was probably in my mid 20s where Leonard Ravenhill in this dream walks up to me and he looks at me and I can tell I can tell he loves me but at the same time his eyes are I mean it’s like they’re kind of like intense and I can tell he’s

(13:04) searching for something. He’s looking so intently at me and I’m like I suddenly feel the fear of the Lord. And he looks at me and says this statement. He said, “Andrew,” he said, “the fear of the Lord is not yet fully seen on your face.” And I wake up out of the dream and I’m like, “Oh, dear God.

(13:27) ” You know, um Whoa. Yeah. It it was a sobering thing. And I said, “Oh my lord.” And um you know it’s there’s a scripture that talks about the a man’s hearts reflected in his face. And so I believe the Lord was identifying something. He’s saying you you need more of the fear of the Lord in your life and in your heart.

(13:48) And so anyway, that dream kind of was one of those where I felt like it didn’t necessarily represent Leonard Raven Hill literally, but I think he was symbolizing or or symbolic to the spirit of the fear of the Lord and even even the prophetic spirit of God coming and and searching. So anyway, so going back to this dream I had December, just this past December.

(14:16) In the dream, I’m at a conference with Leonard Ravenh Hill and he and I, we were doing tag team ministry and someone asked me how I knew Leonard Ravenhill and I said that we had traveled together several times, which obviously that in real life that’s not actually true, but I think again it’s I think it was symbolic. And in the dream, I looked at Leonard Ravenh Hill’s pointer finger and it had a small cut on it.

(14:49) And at that moment when I saw the cut, I could see there was a little blood coming out. And I saw very seductive vampires attracted to this blood and they began to feed and draw out the blood from the finger. As I observed this happening in the dream, I saw more closely at his face and it suddenly began to morph and change into someone I didn’t recognize.

(15:18) And it was almost like beastly. And when I looked at him in this as his face appeared in this uh with a a beastly look to it, I knew by revelation he was now involved with horrific immoralities. Um even I knew of the illegal kind. Um probably having to do with, you know, underage sort of abuse kind of things.

(15:46) And so just a quick a quick couple thoughts on that is that I don’t believe this dream was literally about the person Leonard Ravenh Hill um or having to do with his personal sins or anything like that. I really felt like it was symbolic. And so I think Leonard was representative of the call to prophetic purity to holiness um to real prayer that can produce revival.

(16:16) And then seeing his pointer finger cut, I believe was symbolic of seeing the prophetic voice of the church breached and even wounded. Uh, in other words, we we’ve been losing our blood and the life that we’re meant to carry in the prophetic voice has been being siphoned um by vampiric spirits, whether it be of lust, of immorality, of idolatry.

(16:48) And so there’s something that’s been um I think in the demonic realm has has mixed with some of the prophetic life of the church. And it’s time now I think to recover the purity um the you know it’s interesting if you’re bleeding if you bleed out you can no longer um effectively carry nutrients to the rest of the body.

(17:16) And I think that’s part of what this represented represented is that um the breach in the prophetic and by the way the pointer finger can often represent the prophetic. So it was the breach in the prophetic voice of the church where the vampiric spirits the seduction was was drawing it out. Um so does that make sense? Yes. Yes it does.

(17:41) And I mean, this is a post that I’d done a couple of weeks ago was citing these two issues that seem to be running concurrently right now in this sanctification process. One is the sexual immorality, which goes to the spirit of Jezebel, but this other is is prophetic integrity that’s being highly questioned.

(18:02) A lot of it was sparked because of what happened with IHOP KC. And you dig into the roots of that ministry and their prophetic history, you know, it just like everything really began to be questioned and rightly so because it has caused a major examination of practices, mindsets, uh protocols that the Lord is saying this is not sufficient.

(18:28) You know, some of it’s not even biblical and and some of it has been highly destructive. And so yes and amen. And it does show this is this is a spiritual reality. It’s not just because of flawed leaders who manipulated things. We’re talking about demonic spirits that have infiltrated the camp uh that have caused some of this.

(18:53) And obviously our will, everyone has a choice. Every leader has a choice whether or not they’re going to partner with that or not. And unfortunately, you know, as these exposures are coming out, we’re finding many have yielded to do to those seducing spirits and even god-given gifts have been infected. They’ve been contaminated.

(19:17) So, uh yeah, I it’s right on. This is what we’re seeing. It’s what we’re having to deal with. Yeah. And and I think a lot of unfortunately what I felt even from that dream was that the the prophetic voice of the church has been diluted and and there’s been so much um mixture in it that we we’ve really lost the plum line of of righteousness.

(19:45) And so we yeah, we’re not as effective and potent prophetically as we should be. And so that’s what God has. He’s got to purify it. He I mean, he has to. And so this is part of what he’s doing. And it’s it’s painful because we we know many of the people and we know we’ve got interaction and connection and and and we love these people and yet God’s saying I’m bringing down a plum line now because there’s been a breach and I have to recover it.

(20:21) I have to I have to repair this breach because the next generation, the future depends on it. What I’m building in this hour depends on it. The the way I want to pour out my glory for the days ahead will not be able to be contained in what has been because there has been such a breach, such a a a diluting of the potency and the power of the prophetic voice.

(20:47) And so now God, he’s taking it to task. He’s coming to his temple. He’s coming to his house and he’s bringing refining and cleansing. And we just have to recognize that’s the hour we’re in right now. And well, and if I can just add, obviously the enemy, you know, if he can’t infect us and mix mix it with, you know, to to um to nullify it its potency, he’ll just try to destroy it.

(21:14) And this is something that unfortunately we are seeing in this whole process. As we who believe in the gifts, we believe in the prophetic. Yeah, we want to see an upgrade. We want to see it cleansed. But there are other voices who are inserting themselves in this conversation who are listening to other spirits who are saying, “See, it’s all fake. It’s all a fraud.

(21:37) Don’t believe any of it. This is why you should not practice the spiritual gifts. Look where it leads.” This is the challenge. This is a call for all of us. We’re supposed to be maturing. This is a part of maturing and growing up as believers is is to rightly discern, you know, what is true, what is not, and to rightly steward, you know, these revelations, the prophetic.

(21:59) We haven’t learned how to do it. And, you know, we’ve learned, unfortunately, we’ve focused so much on the vessel, on the person, the prophet, that, you know, we haven’t really grown in how do we hear God’s voice? Because that’s really what prophecy starts with is just hearing God’s voice. It starts personal.

(22:17) This is something we all should be growing in. It’s not just listening uh you know to the prophets. So this is a huge ra. It’s going to take us a while not only to clear out the clutter but to rebuild and to really demonstrate the good that you know the pure of what God has actually intended.

(22:38) Uh and I know this is what some uh you know the leaders that are emerging right now, yourself included, that even in the midst of these exposures and we want to point out what’s wrong, we have to keep building what is good and demonstrating no this is worth, you know, this this spin cycle that we’re in. This is worth the battling.

(22:56) Uh because there’s so much more that we haven’t even touched yet if we just let God do it. 100% on that, Wanda. I’m excited you know it’s like it’s like you’ve got these two sides of things where you’re you’re like man this is very troubling it’s very h it’s difficult it’s painful and on the other side I’m I’m like God thank you because we haven’t seen anything yet what you’re going to build on and and how you repair this and when you bring some of this needed cleansing and

(23:30) correction and and what I think he’s going to establish going forward is going to be so revolutionary. And I think that’s part of what, you know, anything that’s highly valuable in the kingdom is going to be truly wared over. I think you know this whole the devil is terrified of a a uh of the body of Christ walking in their inheritance in purity and in power.

(24:04) And I think of course why wouldn’t he get involved in Exactly. trying to destroy the the gifts of the Holy Spirit, the the ministries, uh the uh you know, prophetic apostolic, why wouldn’t he try to hijack that? So, there definitely is warfare over this. Um but that doesn’t change the fact that the God is allowing the cleansing and the shaking and and it’s and it’s needed. So, um yeah.

(24:36) So anyway, that that’s right on. So, you know, another thought I had was I remember in 2008, I was in I was in Ohio and um basic long story short, I had a an encounter with the audible voice of the Lord. And you know, it’s one of those situations where for me it was it was unmistakable.

(25:03) I’ve had times where I’m like, “Okay, that was an internal audible voice or I know by faith I’m hearing the the spirit.” But no, this was an external audible voice that came into the room. And um here’s what the Lord said. He said, “You can move with the dungill or you can stay with lamentations.” And immediately, now this happens to me occasionally like in dreams or different things where I just have a knowing.

(25:37) And when I heard his voice say that, I had an immediate knowing like it was like by revelation I knew the Lord was talking about the prophetic voice of the church or what calls itself the prophetic voice of the church. In other words, the Lord was saying, Andrew, there is a prophetic voice of the church that I’m calling a dunghill, and you can move with that dung.

(26:09) In other words, God was saying, you know what, there’s a lot of movement with it. There’s a lot of, you know, there’s excitement with it. There’s um, in fact, sometimes there’s good involved in it. But he was saying that with this movement I’m saying it’s a dunghill and he said or you can stay with lamentations and I had been just happened to be in I don’t know if it was in that weekend that I had that happen or in that recent week I had been re not researching but just reading and studying the book of lamentations and I

(26:46) knew again by revelation the exact scripture that the Lord was was identifying it was Lamentations 21:14 and um and I hope I am saying that right. I’m looking looking at my notes, but basically it says um the visions of your prophets, they were false and misleading because they did not expose your sin to deliver you from captivity.

(27:20) And here’s what the Lord was saying. He’s saying there’s a prophetic voice coming out of the church that has a lot of movement, a lot of a lot of positivity, a lot of good with it. But he said, “I’m calling it a dungill because it’s unwilling to expose the sin that is keeping my people in captivity.” And I don’t know, you know, Wanda, I know being in the prophetic, I think there’s been a whole, and I’m starting to wonder, was it Jezebel’s teachings? Was Jezebel teaching us not to expose sin? Was

(27:57) Jezebel coming through the prophetic voice of the church saying, “Your your prophecy has to only be that which is positive. It’s got to appear loving. It’s got to appear bright.” and positive. Um, don’t go after the sin. And and the Lord’s saying, “No, if you don’t go and expose the sin, you’re going to leave my people in captivity.

(28:26) ” And and thereby, I’m going to call your whole prophetic movement a dunghill. True prophecy is meant to free us. It’s meant to break the chains. It’s meant to bring us into the righteousness of Christ. And so that’s where I think part of what God is I think he’s clarifying uh even what has been a dunghill if if I can say it that way. I hear you loud and clear.

(28:54) Preach it, Andrew. It’s Oh, good stuff. Yeah, it’s very true. the Lord, you know, the Lord’s really good about um I used to have a spiritual father in the Lord who used to say, “Hey, you know, you got one point, you got one finger pointing this way, you got a whole bunch of fingers pointing back at you.

(29:15) ” Um in other words, you know, the Lord is um the Lord has a way of dealing with all of us. No, no one escapes the um the eyes of the Lord, the finger of the Lord. Yeah. Well, and you know your point about because this this has been I’m going to get real here. This has been something I have been challenged with even in the last number of years in terms of of prophecies or sharing what I know the Lord has put on my heart.

(29:47) Uh you know I share a similar passion for the purity the integrity of the body of Christ. And though I’m not I don’t go look for for the bad. But when you when you walk in that place, when that’s your desire to walk in holiness and purity, and if you have practiced the presence of the Lord, it’s going to be quickly detected when it’s not when it’s not there and and alarm bells go off like, “Wait a minute, something’s not right.

(30:13) This is not what the Lord intends.” And so when you try to call that out as a prophetic voice, uh there are some people that find that very disconcerting and they will not receive it. You know, in in my years of writing and even posting, there have been some places they will not post. What I know is a word of the Lord, but they can’t because it’s not positive enough.

(30:34) I’ve even had to change the wording. And I can do it word smiting because I know how they think. Yeah. I will I will try to approach it in a, you know, in a nice way, package it really nice, and sometimes then they’ll go ahead and post it. But I’m thinking, why do I have to do that? you know that that I have to sugarcoat something if if I know there because you know it as well when you receive something from the Lord you know it’s not you there is a fire on it there there’s a weight to it and there’s some

(31:02) things that you dare not change because that’s exactly how the Lord wants you to say it and sometimes it’s very hard I mean there there was one word that I mean the the outlet they told me I’m sorry we cannot post that um and but I knew I can’t change it. If you can’t, then you know I’ll have to go somewhere else or just post it on my that’s why I have my own blog, you know, just read it from my website. Okay.

(31:29) But u I mean this but this also, you know, in all fairness, it does go to those vessels that the Lord does speak through. I mean he he speaks through all of us. But in stewarding these words, these are things we have to weigh though. It is recognizing okay ultimately if it is from the Lord it is meant to build up. Yes.

(31:50) You know discipline is of the Lord. I it’s his it’s his love that causes discipline. And so that’s the framework that we have to receive. But but there is, you know, a measure of of skill and sensitivity, you know, in how that comes. But and exposing sin basically to to the point that you had made.

(32:09) This is what’s making it hard right now is bringing these things out. Uh for some people, it’s just if they are more given to I just want to hear encouraging things. It’s really hard to hear and and it’s so quickly put aside like no, it’s it’s not love. Yeah. Well, you know, what is the severity of God’s love? Well, if I can add to that, um I had a dream on Good Friday.

(32:42) Um I woke up with a dream that I had and it was with a a really well-known um leader, prophetic voice in the body of Christ. And um I don’t actually know this individual on a personal level. Um and so and I h I also haven’t really followed this individual closely. So I really do don’t know I didn’t know why um I was having this dream but in the dream I was communicating to her um about uh speaking the love or I’m sorry speaking the truth in love.

(33:18) Uh which obviously the scripture talks about that’s how we’re built up in Christ. We have to we have to speak truth but we’ve got to do it couched in love. It’s got to be in the in a heart with actual love um sincerity, you know. And so I think that’s this dream was I was communicating that uh that whole concept with this person.

(33:40) I was having a whole conversation about we need to be those who speak the truth in love. And I said we cannot we cannot um forsake speaking the truth and we cannot forsake uh couching it in love. they’ve got to be together. And this person, I could tell, was really loving everything I was saying and just totally in I could feel her love for me and and all of this.

(34:05) But then I started to kind of go on a a specific direction in this dream and I said, you need to understand that sometimes the love of God is uh brings discipline. Sometimes the love of God brings uh things that appear like harsh and correction. And I was just making this whole case for some reason with this person about the need to understand that the love of God will at times look confrontive.

(34:42) It will look even accusatory. Um there I just knew this in the dream. I was just going off and I could tell that this person um like was hearing me but was starting to get uncomfortable with it. And so then I woke up from the dream and I just I think God was trying to let me in on something to say that even even right now with everything happening there’s this there’s the understanding we need to know yes God wants us to speak the truth in love but we need to have a greater um maybe understanding that love what is

(35:25) love. You know what is love and what isn’t love and love doesn’t only I’ll say it this way if we are tolerating Jezebel that’s not love you know so sometimes when the Lord is confrontive um sometimes you here’s another thing you need to ask was was Jesus entering the temple with a whip and turning over tables it that you probably could not put that in the category of love.

(36:02) And yet we know because God is love, he doesn’t do anything outside of a pure love. And so I believe I believe that so much of what is happening in the the confrontive nature of the Lord even through individuals that may not even be doing it perfectly. Uh in fact may I don’t you know it’s like sometimes you’re listening to some of these exposures and you’re like oh man this is it feels harsh.

(36:37) It feels, are we doing something wrong here? And I feel like the Lord’s saying, I’m behind much of this right now. I am the one that is pointing the finger. I am the one that’s coming to lift up the skirts and uncover the nakedness and the shame that’s been allowed and tolerated even among my leaders. And so I Yeah.

(37:04) Well, I’ve got a couple of thoughts. Um, one of them is spiritual, one is very practical, you know, understanding the prophetic, those who operate in that and who are akin to receiving prophetic words or revelations. Uh, I know for me, I am much more attuned to the spirits at work behind individuals or causes or ministries.

(37:31) And in the early years when I would communicate in my mind, in my heart, I’m speaking to those principalities become I’m seeing the enemy who is is affecting that individual, who is speaking through that individual. Well, I’m not going to be nice to a demon. Yeah, I’m going to speak rather harshly. But I learned early on that to some people, they thought I was talking to that person or about that person.

(37:53) And so I had to always qualify I’m thinking in as an intercessor I’m addressing the spirits that work behind this individual. Now sometimes a person willingly goes along with that. A lot of times they have no no idea but that’s part of the spiritual warfare. Uh but the other thing that can be very practical because this is something I’ve learned through years of working with people.

(38:17) Um there are different personality types. You know everyone has a love language. Everyone gives and receives uh compliments or affirmations or even correction different ways. They’re and I have three kids. You just have some kids and you’ll learn this. You know, one of my kids, all you have to do is look at him when he was small wrong and he would just melt in tears, you know, that he did something wrong.

(38:39) Then you have another kid, I mean, how many times do you have to, you know, give him instruction and it’s like, you know, this defiance or like what do you mean? What are you saying? And you can say it the same way but they respond totally differently. And so on the one hand when we hear because this is just very practical of what’s happening right now.

(38:58) There are some the I think there are individuals in the body of Christ. The reason it’s so hard to hear these things is likely because they’re the kind of individual very sensitive heart and and you know they would not want to hear that because they would never say that. Right? That’s valid and I won’t fault anyone for that.

(39:18) But it does not disqualify another voice that the Lord will use because it’s needed. And here’s why. When we’re talking about especially a false prophet or or some of these individuals, some of these individuals are very aggressive. I mean, their personalities are the point the finger kind of person.

(39:38) And the only way they’re going to hear it is through another direct confrontation. You can’t beat around the bush with them. And so this is why some of these voices are needed is because and also I’ll I’ll say for myself there was years ago I was walking in a direction I should not be heading and and I had some other people try to tell me it wasn’t until a true brother in the Lord sat me down pointed his finger at me said Wanda do you realize what you are doing I mean it took that direct confrontation for me to get it I knew he loved me but that’s how

(40:09) I needed to hear it. Yeah. So I’m simply, you know, encouraging people that as these things come out, don’t impose your preference on all these situations. The Lord knows what is needed and how it’s needed to reach the target, you know, whatever that looks like. So uh it it shows the diversity, you know, of people, but going back to the reason, the cause, you know, this is a sanctifying work of the Holy Spirit.

(40:36) Let’s let’s discern that first and foremost before we attack the method or the mode. So, those are some thoughts. No, exactly, Wanda. And um you know, I think too um there’s been kind of like this this uh angst against the social media um people that are, you know, exposing things and confronting things.

(41:00) And again, I’m not saying everybody’s done it right or perfectly, but here’s the deal. apart from the social media world speaking up, none of these areas would have actually been exposed. And I just think I think we need to hear that. Um, you know, I’ve seen different words about people, you know, self uh what is it? Self-deputing themselves um to be to go out and bring correction.

(41:32) And and I think we should ask ourselves, well, who who is deputized? Nobody’s been deputized in the right channels. So, there’s been no place to bring any of this. And so, now God’s saying, you know what? We’re going to have a family meeting and we’re going to let it all hit the fan right now.

(41:53) You know, it’s going to hit the fan and we’re going to all talk about it. It’s going to be everywhere so that none of it is hidden anymore. So, um I think yeah, I just think God’s using the messiness of it all because it’s we we don’t change unless there’s something that actually shakes us and messes with us. And here’s the deal.

(42:16) I think we’ve been way way too unaware of how maybe um compromised and mixed and and impure and and tolerant of Jezebel and all of this. I think the Lord is now clarifying for us all that we are in a serious crisis. And that’s not to say we need to go around and, you know, throw mud at every single person.

(42:49) That’s not I don’t think that’s God’s heart at all. But he is he’s the one that’s coming to his house right now. And I think we just have to be understanding that. Um. Yeah. Amen. Well, I know you had you had a dream recently about the Jezebel spirit. Is that right? Yeah. Yeah, because I know that’s, you know, that’s so talked about, but it it keeps coming up because it is a spirit and it it is a work of the enemy that continues in the church and I just see it so so profoundly.

(43:22) So, can you share that dream? Yep. Um, so this dream was um March 28th, 2025. Uh, I woke. So, I actually this I don’t know if you’ve ever had these dreams, Wanda, where you’re you’re yelling something or you’re roaring something in the dream and you wake up, you’re still saying it out loud. Yep.

(43:47) But I had that where I was I woke myself up just roaring to and I was like preaching and prophesying to people in the body of Christ. And specifically, I knew that I was talking to a group. I didn’t know who they were, but I knew they were a group of people who had been pariting the narratives and the agendas even unknowingly like not even really intentionally.

(44:16) They were they weren’t doing it intentionally. Um they were paring the narratives of the spirit of Jezebel and they did not um they didn’t have discernment of it. And I actually believe without the discerning of spirits in operation, I don’t think I would have recognized her voice, that spirit’s voice in these people.

(44:40) Um because they didn’t recognize it and they were actually sincere about what they were saying. So in the dream, however, I recognize something. These individuals, they were pushing an agenda of reconciliation, which uh it it I knew in the dream they wanted me to reconcile with someone that from my perspective was completely unrepentant.

(45:16) Uh had taken no responsibility for their actions. and was using the word reconciliation as as a manipulative word because it has great biblical merit. Obviously, we’re called to be ministers of reconciliation. So, it was this idea that, hey, I’m in the wrong because I’m unwilling to reconcile. Does that make sense? Yes. Yes. Okay.

(45:43) So, in the dream, I discerned though that that kind of reconciliation that they were advocating for was one-sided. It took no regard for any needed boundaries. Um, and it violated my own conscience. At that point in the dream, I pushed back against this agenda of supposed reconciliation. In other words, this group of people were were so sincere and committed to um it I knew I knew that the person they wanted me to reconcile with was feeding them narratives and I knew Jezebel was in operation there and they wanted me to reconcile with this person. But um I

(46:33) pushed back against it and with a uh with a loving um explanation I told them that reconciliation is good only when certain conditions are met and to violate those conditions would be harmful, damaging and it would greatly defile my own conscience. And and honestly, I’ll stop there before I continue to go on, but I’ll say that seems in some ways like what many of the abusers have done as well.

(47:11) They’ve like, hey, we just need to reconcile. We need to just kind of, you know, let let’s just forget things and move on. Like, let me remain in my position and let me continue on. And you need to reconcile. you’re not being loving, you’re not forgiving, and and yet it doesn’t take any account for repentance, taking responsibility, all of that.

(47:40) So, um, and can I just point out the word conscience? You mentioned that several times. That is huge because I did another whole video on on the seven levels of spiritual authority. God himself being number one, his word being number two, but number three scripturally is our conscience. Wow. That that has a level of spiritual authority.

(48:02) When fed by the word of God, when it’s fed correctly, our conscience, this is what has been consistently abused and violated is one’s conscience. So that’s huge what you said. Wow. Yeah, that’s good. Yeah. And it was like I knew that in the dream. It was like I it was almost to the level of like if I go and reconcile quote unquote with this person, it’s like I’m lying against the Holy Spirit in me that’s saying no, everything in me knows this is not right, you know, and um so it was like on that level. And so anyway, I um get

(48:38) back to where I was here. I basically said, you know, um to to reconcile without certain conditions met, I’ll say this one more time. I pushed back against this group of people about their agenda to reconcile. And I explained, reconciliation is good only when certain conditions are met.

(49:01) And to violate these conditions would be harmful, damaging, and greatly defile my own conscience. And that’s when in the dream I saw Jezebel enter their eyes. And it was something violent, aggressive, and unyielding. And I knew that this was no longer just like us having a logical discussion. It was spiritual warfare. And I knew now I had to really stand my ground. I could not yield to this.

(49:30) And then in the dream, this is when I began to lift up my voice. I just was like roaring this out. And and just so you know, this wasn’t a premeditated thought I had had before the dream. It was something that came uh spontaneously in this dream. And I say this to the group. I say, I tell you by the word of the Lord that Jezebel’s hour is over in the church.

(50:00) Many of you have become a eunuch in her tower, no longer able to impart life on your own, but made to parrot what she feeds you. I then roared, “Mark my words. You will see her fall, and when you do, you will come out of her witchcraft. Though you resist me now and can’t see, you will see.

(50:32) You will see and know the truth that you have been manipulated, enslaved, and controlled. I then said to them, the very last thing I roared, I said, “You will return from her tower and report to me that the word I have spoken is true.” You know, I don’t go around. I’m not the type of person to say thus saith the Lord or by the word of the Lord.

(51:00) But this is how it I mean it’s just it just burst out of me in this dream and I knew when I woke up I felt like this was a holy moment and I felt like God I just this wasn’t me. This was the spirit of the Lord announcing something that Jezebel’s hour is over in the church. And I believe it is the word of the Lord.

(51:25) And I feel like I feel like we need to be careful in these days to of calling something just the spirit of accusation or fault finding. I mean again we you know what I’m saying? I just think God is saying I am exposing her. And I have felt the I have felt the fear of the Lord about pushing back at all against some of what’s being exposed.

(51:51) Even though it’s uncomfortable seeing it at times because I almost I almost sense like there are voices rising up against the exposures and I’m hearing a faint sound of Jezebel in it and I’m I’m hearing it’s almost like the painting of Jezebel’s eyes saying peace peace peace peace and and I think the Lord is removing her position out of the church.

(52:26) See, as long as we tolerate what has been tolerated, she remains in control. But God’s saying her hour is over. And so, guess what? Every place, every person, every position in his body that has made room for that spirit is now it’s being confronted. It’s being exposed. And there is a harshness to it. But let me say this, it is according to the love of God. It is the love of God.

(52:54) And I believe there I’m praying this and believing this that there are ministers, prophets, leaders who are being exposed and confronted who if I’ll say it this way. I believe there’s still time for them to repent, come out of it, receive mercy, and some even restored to ministry.

(53:20) I do believe it is a dangerous thing right now to resist what the Lord is doing because he’s announcing it. It’s not Andrew’s word. I believe it’s the word of the Lord. Jezebel’s hour is over in the church. It there can be no more toleration of it. And um so that’s that’s an intense word, but I think it’s worth Well, I just want to affirm it.

(53:42) It is the word of the Lord, Andrew, that it’s not it’s not you because I’ve heard it from numerous people. It’s what I carry in my heart. It’s the only reason I do what I do. I don’t like being in this space. I don’t like exposing sin. That that wasn’t what I was called to when the Lord commissioned me.

(54:01) Um, but yet when he has put this this passion for for holiness, for righteousness, if if that’s what we really believe in, you have to love what God loves, but you have to hate what he hates. Yeah. And and those are strong, intense feelings. No, it’s not directed at people. And yet, we have to acknowledge the sinful man will yield to the flesh. Yeah.

(54:24) For all kinds of reasons. And I will always love people, you know, even even the wolves that are being exposed, even the false prophets and false teachers, they are human beings and they’ve been made in the image of God. And I never want to mock uh them and I never want to delight in the destruction of the wicked.

(54:43) I mean, the Lord gave me that word a year ago. We should never delight in someone falling. Um, you know, hearts go out to the victims, those who have been wounded and hurt by these, but I mean, it’s sad all the way around and yet it is a needed work because of God’s love. I mean, you are speaking truth and it’s what we all have to remind ourselves in the process.

(55:10) And those those times when we don’t understand because there is a lot being spoken. Yeah. And there is a mixture of truth and false accusation. Yeah. But our our charge right now is to not react out of fear or offense. But but have open hands and open hearts in this time. It is a time of examination for everybody. not only for the wrongdoers, but for those of us who are watching and trying to discern.

(55:38) The Lord’s wanting us by constant practice to grow in in our ability to discern to let him do what he’s doing. And and I think that, you know, the word of there are those that want to stop this. And you know, I recognize those voices. I my heart grieves at them because I think some they’re in a bubble of their own making and they can’t see beyond it.

(56:05) I and I think some people they’re not purposely it’s not like they’re really condoning sin. That’s not why they’re doing it, but but they’re blinded by their own associations, their loyalties, you know, their whatever. Uh they can’t see it. And my prayer has always been, you know, still open the eyes.

(56:26) This is why God gives time to repent because I think that there still are enough people that given enough information and those who know how to call it out of them uh that they will come to an understanding and realize this is a holy work. I’m not going to insert myself in this. So we all have to be on watch, you know, for this in this window of time.

(56:51) I feel like it’s a window of time. Yeah. Yeah, it’s not always going to be here. There’s a window. There’s grace right now in this. As hard as it is, there is a grace. Uh but this is not going to last. I believe it’s an opportunity. It’s an invitation to respond rightly. Uh I mean, I heard it from another voice. This was a couple weeks ago.

(57:14) It’s God’s mercy that’s in this because if you read scripturally when God got involved and and wielded his judgment against sin, it was a lot harsher. I mean, people fell dead. Yeah. So, it is his mercy right now that is waiting for things, you know, during this time of examination.

(57:36) Um, he’s giving us an opportunity to do the right thing. Otherwise, he will. Yeah. No, I 100% agree. Um I think I mean there’s just a lot of people’s names that are coming out into the public public eye and and it’s hard because I’ve I’ve been impacted greatly by many of these people. Um and and and so you know and some of them some of them are being called completely, you know, frauds or or false altogether.

(58:10) And and I think my only caution in that the Lord told me something recently and this and maybe this will just help us two things. Two things about all the exposures was this. He says Andrew to be spiritual is to be surgical. And there’s the scripture in Galatians that talks about those of you who are spiritual.

(58:32) when you find someone in sin, you should, those of you who are spiritual should go and restore them and with gentleness. And um and so I have felt like God’s saying, don’t be so quick to make overeneneralized, blatant, black and white statements. To be spiritual is to be surgical. Sometimes what I’m correcting, yes, it’s it’s definitely a need of correction, but I’m not I’m I didn’t put the stamp of identification that this is now a false or a fraud.

(59:09) And sometimes it’s the love that’s coming intensely and and you need to identify what I’m correcting and what I’m applauding. I mean, if you read the book of Revelation and when Jesus comes to each of the seven churches, I mean, he he has a good word on on each, you know, he he brings like the hey, here’s what you’ve done, right? And then here’s what you here is what I am confronting.

(59:36) And I think in the same way, we have to be surgical in these ways. Um, in other words, we don’t pull back from identifying what the Lord’s correcting. And at times we need to say, you know what, this disqualifies them from leading right now. They need to go whatever.

(59:57) But yeah, um but I feel like there is this thing where we have to be a little bit mindful in how what we’re saying so blatantly. Yeah. Well, and I just want to amen that because I’ve been saying the same thing on my channel is that which is being labeled false. I would not necessarily say as false.

(1:00:19) There’s there’s flawed leaders. There are people that started out well, but they they followed their flesh. They followed, you know, crowds, whatever. Um, and that’s something that has to be worked out, you know, even with the Bible teachers who are, you know, in the forefront right now reestablishing some sound doctrine, which is needed, but there’s still not consensus of what is a true false prophet or a false teacher.

(1:00:43) And you know, here’s where we get the mixture with Cessationists who want to discount anybody. So, they’re going to call everybody false, right? Um, and so it’s been very confusing because even the leaders in the in the charismatic church, even in the prophetic movement, uh, have described it differently.

(1:01:00) I mean, I still see the the questions and the confusion around it. So, I totally agree. We need to call out the sin. But I think those who if we do have a conviction about what scripture says about this, I think we need to talk more about that to to discount those that will just quickly want to label everybody as false.

(1:01:22) And and there again, even in the false ones that are being exposed, it is the mercy and the goodness of God that will still work through compromised vessels to bring blessing. That shows his goodness. It does not validate that person’s call or anointing from God. It just simply shows how much God loves people because he responds to people’s faith.

(1:01:45) And I’ve seen this happen over and over again. You can go to a conference, people are citing these conferences that they went to, you know, and I’ll just cite Todd Bentley because he’s already been in the news a lot and I’ve talked about him and they were healed. They had an accurate word of prophecy.

(1:02:02) You know, they were blessed. Well, that’s the goodness of God. That’s because God saw your heart and you were looking for God and God just chose to work through that vessel to get to you. That shows how much he loves you. But it doesn’t validate, you know, someone’s ministry or their character or what was going on behind the scenes.

(1:02:22) So, you know, this is where we have to be surgical. That was a great great description to be very specific rather than these broad generalities because that’s what’s happening as well that we’re not understanding everything. It’s it’s all or nothing. They’re all frauds or all the podcasters read or or whatever.

(1:02:40) Um, and this is where we need to start calling out the individual, especially the good ones, you know, to raise that standard, to raise that bar. This is where God’s working. This is the true gift of God. This is a, you know, a true measure of God’s, you know, character in someone. I think the more that we do that, it’ll it’ll help, you know, long term to to shift things.

(1:02:59) So, yeah, some great thoughts. I’m just gonna say it and Well, no, I’ll let you know. Say it and ask forgiveness later. No. Um, no, I just I can always edit it out if I want to. Okay, good. No, I was just thinking in regards to Todd White and um I believe that was troublesome for me to see that and and part of what was troublesome was that I have had an encounter with the Lord through his ministry.

(1:03:32) And um long story short, I’ll never forget, you know, I was a complete stranger to Todd. He was a stranger to me. and he came up and gave me a word uh that was told to me in a dream the week before and only the Lord could have told him that. Um and so, you know, it it was such a and in that same moment too, I’d had shoulder pain and not only did he give me a word, but he prayed for my shoulder, not knowing I had shoulder pain.

(1:04:02) He said, “Your shoulder hurts, doesn’t it?” I said, “Yeah.” He prayed for it. Immediately the pain’s gone. I get this word that sends me. I mean, the the edification that came out of that, it was life-changing. It was the Lord. Now, and so when you see this happen and you see some of this exposure with uh where his leadership was maybe he was operating in hypocrisy or lies or um some fraudulence in in things.

(1:04:31) Um you know, it’s troublesome. And so I’ve been talking to the Lord about it and I just feel like the Lord’s saying, “Yes, Andrew, I love I love that man and it is my love to bring this kind of correction.” Um, and so there is some correction. There is some confrontation from the Lord that’s happening because repentance hasn’t happened the way it has needed to happen.

(1:04:55) But in the same sense, I also feel like God’s saying, but he’s not he might have had he might have operated in some fraud, but he’s not a fraud. He’s not. Uh and and that’s how I feel about it. That’s my personal conviction on it. Um that’s my understanding at the moment. I think that’s very healthy, Andrew.

(1:05:18) I think that’s a a a fair and balanced way to approach it is to I because to me it’s also a matter of celebrating the work of the Holy Spirit. I mean who am I to to discredit a work of the Holy Spirit? I want to celebrate what God has done even in the midst of you know someone that that is walking in sin.

(1:05:39) And I too, I would I’d probably concur I would lean towards where you’re at. Um you know in terms of seeing the good and and the necessary discipline and adjustment. Uh I always feel like he he got out of his lane and his leadership and yeah there’s been things that have been going on for a long time.

(1:05:59) And this this gets back to you know your dream of tolerating Jezebel is in all of these stories and Todd’s white story is the same. This this is why it is it is causing um the the call for accountability is that in all these stories these aren’t things that have just come out the last year. These are things that have been going on for years where these leaders have been confronted time and time again because of their uh you know it could have started with leadership style but they I mean it it turns into abuse it turns into

(1:06:35) manipulation control it it opens the door to Jezebel to all these different demonic spirits at work. That’s what happens when men, you know, they let their egos get in the way and then they they start operating in the flesh and then it opens the door to all kinds of things.

(1:06:53) This is what the Lord is drawing attention to. And so I believe there still has to be consequences. There has to be accountability for that. Um but can we in the midst of that still call out the good? You know, I feel like if we could do that enough, it might make it a little bit easier for the whole body to embrace this process, you know, because I just see the extremes that we’re going to on either side.

(1:07:16) Uh rather than what can we agree on? The Lord is correcting. The Lord, he is the one that’s calling for accountability. There is a standard here that must be met. Yeah. But can you celebrate what I have been doing in the midst of it because of my love for my body that I want to I want to bless them and I can use anybody you know it’s it’s not the standard obviously there needs to be a righteous standard that’s reset especially in the prophetic uh but let’s celebrate what God has done. Absolutely. And and let me

(1:07:49) say this too, Wanda, that um I believe I believe that that wolves So let me say it this way. I believe concerning IHOP and Mike Bickle, I think God exposed someone that was operating as a wolf um in in that place. And yet uh God’s dealing with him. God’s exposed him, dealing with him, removing him.

(1:08:20) And yet, I was given a dream recently that he’s not going to let that uh the prayers of the saints be for not. He to in fact in one of the dreams he says, I’m going to re I’m going to uh bring Oh gosh, I wish I have to go look at this my notes on this. Um okay, so here here’s the dream.

(1:08:43) I’ll just share this. Is that okay? Yeah. Okay. I had this on March 24th. So, in my dream, a woman named Karen, who by the way, Karen, the name Karen means purity or pure. And so, Karen came to a house to remodel and restore it. I knew that it was old. There was some oldness to it, some dirtiness to it, and broken parts in the home.

(1:09:16) And Karen was coming to to revamp it, remodel it, and restore it. I think the picture’s clear on that. There the purity is returning to revamp, remodel, and restore the house of the Lord. Next, in the dream, I saw myself in a shower. Here we are again cleansing. S I was singing and worshiping. I looked out and I saw people having a funeral.

(1:09:46) But then I decided, you know what? I’m going to sing anyway. Um, in other words, uh, it was, you know, it’s not usually protocol to be joyful when you’re singing at at a funeral, but in this scenario, it felt very right. in the dream. Um, after I had taken my shower and I left this bathroom, which again is a place of I think cleansing and and all that, people came up to me after I’d left the bathroom.

(1:10:17) They they came up to me after the shower. They were wondering how I could be so interruptive uh and how I could be singing during the funeral. And then I made this statement. And I said, ‘Well, we are at IHOP, the international house of prayer. And then I said this. I said, even here there is something redemptive at that point.

(1:10:45) I said, God has brought to light the sin of Mike Bickle. But then I said in the dream, but we must now understand that the Lord cherishes the prayers of the saints and he is going to move in glory and power. And then I said this, don’t let the prayers and the songs of the saints die. M in the next in the next moment after the shower and this conversation with the people I went into the large room where many others were gathered.

(1:11:25) They said my singing did something to the atmosphere. It brought hope of life in the midst of death. We all began to dance and rejoice. However, I then noticed several pieces of dog poop across the floor. Dreams, I tell you. Um, it had to I knew it had to be removed. We couldn’t we couldn’t rejoice and dance on the f on the floor while the the dog poop was all over it.

(1:12:00) I also noticed that many of these pieces of dog poop had been smashed and worked into the flooring. It was impossible to go pick them out, pick them up without a complete uh removing of the carpet uh and of the flooring. There had to be a new almost like a new foundation. In the last scene of the dream, I went and unlocked the closet of this house.

(1:12:34) And I didn’t know why I left it open. But then suddenly Karen came up to me with a uh it was a dismantled light in her hands that had been put in a bag by the previous owners of the house. Isn’t that interesting? Our light does not belong in a a bushel. But I took the lamp out and began to restore the light. Dream end.

(1:13:06) Um, a brief commentary on the dream. I know there’s a lot there, but I just feel like God’s saying the Lord is coming to his house as a refiner’s fire and a launderer’s soap. He is purifying the house. Um I think International House of Prayer may be representative or symbolic of the the picture the call uh for us our our priestly call um in which the Lord says my house is to be called a house of prayer.

(1:13:38) I believe God is dealing with the priesthood of his people. And here’s the good news is that even though great harm and sin was done by Mike Bickle, some others at IHOP, even in that God is still going to work redemptively through the faithful prayers of his saints. Um there’s been many years of worship and prayer by God’s sincere, faithful, and truehearted saints that the Lord says will not go unanswered.

(1:14:09) And um I don’t believe that God is giving this word about rebuilding IHOP. I believe God is going to cleanse that foundation. He’s going to he’s going to build uh his house of prayer on a new foundation. And there’s something that’s going to be restored, renewed, rebuilt in terms of prayer and the priesthood that’s on a foundation that’s not uh unclean.

(1:14:42) The searching and the exposing lamp of God’s word and spirit in that dream, it was broken and it was it was covered up in a closet. And so the the closet and the secret places, they continued to grow in darkness and in sin because no light was shining. But now the closet is open, the lamp is working, and the light is shining to expose the darkness.

(1:15:10) So now, what do you think that that refers to specifically? Well, I think it’s I think it’s all of what’s happening right now. I think the light I think the closet. I think, you know, we talk about skeletons in your closet or whatever. It’s like, well, I think God’s opening the closet doors in his house and he’s saying, “What’s been buried, what’s been hidden, what’s been in darkness, I’m now I’m now shining the light again.

(1:15:38) ” There’s there’s been even and in that dream I knew that the former owners of the house had intentionally um covered up the the lamp and it allowed it to be uh um what’s the word? Disabled or whatever. And so I think God’s now saying, “I’m raising up new um a new guard gatekeepers who are going to actually repair the lamp.

(1:16:06) They’re going to open closet doors and they’re going to allow the light to shine because it has to.” Yeah. Well, because what what came to mind is, you know, ever since that story has broken, I’ve I’ve been on different social media platforms and have read the comments made by uh previous students, uh many who have been disillusioned, you know, who gave years of their lives to that ministry, uh have been wondering, you know, what to make of it all.

(1:16:38) And what I hear in that dream is should be very encouraging for anyone that’s watching or listening who has felt that way or wondered, you know, what about all those years? What about everything I invested? What what about those experiences, those encounters? Uh, and because even with the closet, I couldn’t help but think, uh, because I know of some, they themselves have gone into the closet.

(1:17:00) It’s like they’ve gone into hiding. Wow. Because it’s like, I don’t trust anybody anymore. I don’t I don’t want to even be out there. And and is it a call of the Lord? No. It’s time to let your light shine. It It’s still there. Um because those who have experienced these things and can still come out celebrating what Holy Spirit did, I believe there’s going to be a mark on those individuals in a good way that they will carry a message and a hope for those who have been in similar places of

(1:17:32) darkness and are who are questioning, you know, can God use this? um because he will because it’s his house and and he he knew the motives from the very beginning of of Mike Bickle and any of his cohorts but how beautiful God sees the hearts you know of his saints the purity of their faith that you know caused all the prayers to go uh in innocence and impurity those are never wasted never wasted uh you know and and perhaps you know what is dying at that funeral is going to be rebirthed and reborn a hundred times over in new

(1:18:08) initiatives uh that far outshine you know the previous the glory greater than the first. I really agree with that Wanda. I and to me the dream, you know, I tell people I’m like I really don’t ever premeditate these things. Like I, you know, I to me it’s coming and I like when they’re spontaneous and and I don’t really I’m not not been thinking about it because it for me it’s like the Lord’s saying, “Hey, you know, no maybe nobody’s paying attention to this, but I am. I haven’t

(1:18:42) forgotten the prayers and the worship. It’s come up to me like incense. And there is I feel like God’s saying, “I’m gonna I’m not going to let anything go to waste.” Yeah, there’s been some some dung that’s been going on, but I’m cleaning it up and I’m I’m going to recover the broken pieces.

(1:19:02) I’m going to gather it up. I’m going to I’m going to send forth those prayers upon the earth again in glory in ways we have not yet seen. And so, there is hope in all of this. There is and that’s what I want to just say is like can we see the love of God and the and the heart of our father behind what’s happening you know and and we are imperfect vessels we’re we’re feeling zeal for his house and for his name and that’s why there’s this this intensity with wanting to bring to light that which is in darkness but can we

(1:19:36) feel the heart of the father behind all of this he’s saying I can’t wait I feel like he’s saying I can’t wait to to bring this correction to my people because it’s going to set them upright again and they’re going to walk as they’ve not walked in a long time and they’re going to be able to carry the glory that I am am getting ready and preparing them for.

(1:20:01) So, I think it’s really exciting and it’s good news in all of it. Amen. I think that’s a good good place to kind of conclude uh you know what you’ve shared, Andrew. It is a good word. We can see hope and redemption through all of this even in the pain. So, uh can you pray? Yeah. What what you know the Lord’s put on your heart to get to give that hope just stir it up in the saints. Yeah. Amen. Okay.

(1:20:28) Well, Father, thank you so much. Thank you so much for everything you have done for us through your son, Jesus. We thank you for the cleansing work of the blood of Jesus Christ. We thank you for the washing and the cleansing that has been given to us even through the blood. And and we thank you that you are bringing discipline. You discipline.

(1:20:58) You bring chastisement and correction to your sons, to those that you love. And so Lord, we just receive the needed cleansing, the needed washing, the needed corrections, the needed disciplines. And we recognize no discipline is pleasant at the time, but rather painful. But God, in the midst of it, we trust that there is coming forth a harvest of righteousness, a harvest of peace.

(1:21:28) And Lord, I thank you that it is it is according to your love you are bringing even even strong confrontation, strong rebuke, strong correction. We thank you that even in this exposure of what’s been in the closet, of what’s been in darkness, God, that you are setting things back in order. And we we praise you for that.

(1:21:55) We acknowledge your work in this and we say Lord let your will be done. Let your kingdom come here God. Your will be done here on earth just as it is in heaven. And so in each of our own personal temple, our own vessel, Lord, would you continue to shine your light? Let the let your spirit uh have have free reign to shine light uh to bring truth um to bring correction to bring conviction.

(1:22:29) Let your word uh stand and and become a just a strong plum line again in each and every one of our lives. And so God, thank you for what you’re doing. And Lord, I pray help us in this time to navigate it well. We pray, Holy Spirit, come and and help us. Be our helper in this season of time. And Lord, I pray that we would learn how to be surgical.

(1:22:54) We would learn how to discern and recognize uh both what needs to be changed, what needs to be repented of, and that which needs to be honored and uh rejoiced in. And so, Father, help us in this season of time. Lord, I do pray that uh that we would yeah that we would be kept from from error even in our zeal in all of the zeal that you’re bringing in this season to bring order to bring correction.

(1:23:27) I pray God keep us from error. Keep us uh keep us in humility. Help us all to walk circumspectly in our lives. And we just again thank you for what you’re doing. Continue, Lord. Bring us into a new day of glory. We thank you that the the glory of the latter how shall be greater than the glory of the former.

(1:23:51) We just say, God, let that be so. Let it be so in these days for the glory of your name in Jesus name. Amen. Amen. Amen. Andrew, this has been so rich. Uh there’s no question that the Holy Spirit orchestrated uh this connection again. Um uh when I said I’d seen you on Elijah streams a couple weeks ago, I knew I need to have Andrew on.

(1:24:17) And it been a couple months since we had texted. And then your response as soon as I asked, you said the Lord had already given you a hint that I was going to be contacting you. Yeah, I did. I said the Lord said, “Hey, Wanda’s gonna ask you to come on and you you need to say yes and go on.” I said, “Okay, I texted that to you.

(1:24:36) ” That was a word of the Lord. No, thank thank you because it just it compliments so much, you know, what the Lord is doing in this process. And uh the Lord just wants everyone to be encouraged even in the midst. And thank God I He does speak through dreams. He speaks through visions. He speaks through the audible voice. Yes, all of this is real.

(1:24:55) even as the enemy is trying to go after us and yeah there is a cleansing uh let’s celebrate you know the real thing. So for those of you again who want to follow uh Andrew just remember the place where you can find him on now this Facebook it’s a private group but if people want to join Yeah. they just uh submit it and then you invite them in.

(1:25:17) I mean you’ve got almost 12,000 members there. That’s pretty cool. Um and he does share a lot on there right? Yep. Yep. I share a lot of my dreams on there and um just different things stirring on my heart I’ll I’ll post out there. So yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And then uh prophetic warriors is his website.

(1:25:37) And now are you offering some courses or I know you used to do that. Are you still doing that? Uh you know I don’t know what I have on there. I think I’ve got some re Yeah, if you go to the uh I think I do. I think if you go to the academy, I think I have an academy up there. And then I have um Strike Force, which is a it’s a monthly membership and we do live uh Zoom calls a couple times a month um where we do prayer together.

(1:26:04) I share some dreams and it um bring on different guests. So, all right. Well, you are you are there. I know you’re active on social media, but thank you so much for just sharing not only the dreams, but sharing your heart. I just I love it in your heart for the body of Christ. Um and and seeing what the Lord is doing.

(1:26:23) It really is exciting. So, uh and bless you in the birth of your new child here in a couple of months. That’s that’s going to be exciting, huh? Yes, it is. Yes, it is. Yeah. Some sleepless nights again, right? Yeah, that’s right. Uh wow. Well, thank you all for watching. Love to hear your comments uh you know below and send your wishes to to Andrew.

(1:26:47) Go visit his page and uh subscribe to these channels. Go to wanda.me of course you can subscribe there as well. So blessings everybody until next time.