“They don’t want to be accused of being ridiculous or stoned or devil worshippers or something,” says Reverend Joey Talley, a Wiccan witch ordained through the state of California, and we’re sure that’s true. She’s talking about people who ask her help in healing their computers of viruses, who don’t want their companies to know what they’re doing. “They’ve got to be cautious,” she says, and we’re sure that true’s too.

You  may think a computer virus is a cleverly-designed program that can only be removed by another cleverly-designed program. You would be wrong, says the Reverend Talley. Those viruses are really ghosts and demons.

To get a ghost or demon out of a machine, explains Motherboard, a website run by the hip news company Vice, Talley “might place stones on top of the computer, clear the dark energy by setting an intention with her mind, or cleanse the area around the computer by burning sage.” Some virus/demons take off right away, others stay for a few hours.

“I just go in and work the energy,” she explains:

And there are different stones that work really well on computers, chloride is one of them. Also, some people really like amethyst for computers. It doesn’t really work for me, but I’m psychic. So when I go into the room where somebody’s computer is, I go in fresh, I step in like a fresh sheet, and I’m open to feel what’s going on with the computer. … Sometimes I do a magic spell or tape a magic charm onto the computer somewhere. Sometimes I have a potion for the worker to spray on the chair before they sit down to work. Jet is a stone I use a lot to protect computers.

She explains that demons need to eat too. They eat energy and

Computers are a vast store of electromagnetic energy, as well as messages. Sometimes when a demon is in a computer system, it’s just like a roach in a kitchen. It just eats and stays out of the way. But some demons are working for someone’s who’s trying to hurt you, and those are the really hard ones.

She explains that people who criticize her — shocking, we know, that anyone would doubt a witch who expels demons from computers — don’t know enough to say anything. Of course, they might just know something about computers. Like how they work and what viruses are.