Messianic and Orthodox Jews Discuss Jesus as Messiah

In this thoughtful nine-minute conversation, a Messianic Jew and an Orthodox Jew engage in a respectful, heartfelt dialogue about the identity and mission of the Messiah — specifically, whether Jesus fulfills that role. They explore Jewish and Christian perspectives on the written and Oral Torah, debate the legitimacy of oral tradition, and reflect on figures like Maimonides and the Lubavitcher Rebbe. Despite their theological differences, the discussion ends with mutual respect, shared traditions, and an invitation to keep learning from each other.

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And I would encourage you to open the New Testament. I know.

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I know. Maybe we’ll do it. Why? God sent Jesus.

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And so if one of the missions of the Messiah is to bring the knowledge of the Torah to the world, not just to the Jewish people, to the world, we believe that he accomplished that. So I just wanted to see if you have an opinion about who you think Jesus is and what do you think he came to do?

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Yeah. So first of all, let’s speak about Messiah. Yeah. Messiah is a Jewish concept, right? I mean, if there is no Judaism, we don’t know about Messiah. Yes. He’s a man who his job is to do. I you perfectly safe. Peace between God and men. Right? Between men and men. Right. So this is a Jewish concept. So if we want to know what is Messiah, we have to look into Jewish books.

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Yes. Yes. We look in the dark.

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Yes. So, one of those, one of the first things we, we learn when we go to the Jewish school is that we receive the Torah in two formats. The, written to the Torah and the altar. In fact, the written Torah. Without the altar, we cannot do anything. Because, for example, he’d said unto God, you should take the fourth.

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Spices. Which spices? Maybe I should take a watermelon. Maybe I should take it. I don’t know. Strawberries. I don’t know if we don’t have the Torah. We cannot know what is. What we should do. Same for defeating so. And same for every mitzvah. Okay. And same for Messiah. So who is talking about Messiah? The best?

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I am sure you know.

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Well, the Jewish people. And from the tenor.

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Yeah, but in the in the in the the explanation of the written Torah. Rashi.

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You tell me.

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My my money.

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This my money, these Ramah.

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Random. He has, he has to chapters only about Messiah. Who is Messiah. And in fact, you you are you absolutely right. Messiah is a man. He’s a man. And for, And he will bring peace to the world. That’s true. Okay. You will bring peace between God and men. That’s true. But how he does that. He does that with the.

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With the power of Torah. Means he will bring back the Torah to rule in the world. Right. Which means today we are doing a Jew. Orthodox Jew. We are doing a lot of mitzvot. Yes. We put in trillion every day. Yes. By the way, you did today.

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Not today.

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Yeah. There is a very special place in the seventh. Go there. Yes. Okay. Very good. And you’ll be teaching there?

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I’ll be happy. Yes.

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And and and so we do a lot of things, right? But we don’t really feel the stuff. I mean, I put feeling because it’s written when the Messiah will come and there will be a peace between what we know and what we feel.

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Okay. Can I can I comment on this? Okay. So when when you show up, when Jesus came for him and his followers, mostly his followers brought the Torah. Not the not the Talmud, the Torah, the Tanakh, the knowledge of the Torah, to the Gentiles, to the rest of the world. And so if one of the missions of the Messiah is to bring the knowledge of the Torah to the world, not just to the Jewish people, to the world, we believe that he accomplished that with his coming, because now there are billions of non-Jewish people all over the world that believe in the God of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, because of Jesus, because of the Jewish

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man that came to bring not just the Torah, but also an elevated form of the Torah.

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You know, it’s amazing because what you said, my money this say that.

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Yes. But my money came. How many a thousand years later?

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Hello? He’s talking about Jesus.

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Yes.

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By money. These said we don’t believe that Jesus is the Messiah. Okay? Because you didn’t spread the the the Torah and the mitzvot in the world. It’s even the contrary because of the, religion of Christianity. There was a lot of blood. Blood?

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Absolutely. And and this is a good point.

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Wait. And he’s saying, but but my money, he’s he’s asking you a question. A very good question, you see. But why God sent Jesus? I mean, you succeeded. It’s a it’s a big company, Eddie.

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Yes.

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How you say you collect it? You launch a big company?

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Yeah. Yeah.

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It’s a success. Why did God let him success?

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Okay.

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So my. See that? Say, even if we don’t believe that Jesus is the Messiah. And same for Mohammed coming. Yeah. But one. They spreads an idea of, one goods. Right. And that brings the world closer to to the real Messiah. Okay. Now, about Messiah, when he spoke, I believe so there is a messiah.

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Okay. And a person.

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A person. And we have another candidate. And that brings me to invite you to go to the seven teenth of the streets. Okay. There is a small shul who, Where? The Lubavitcher Rebbe, I’m sure you heard about.

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Yes. Very much.

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Doesn’t. And prayed and and and teached in the 30s in the How did you say.

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In the 1930s?

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Yes, in the 1930s? Yes. And, for me. Yeah, I’m trying to. Okay. For me, these men, is perfectly, standing in the standard of the Messiah as we can read it.

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Even even even though he said he’s not. He denied the fact that he’s. Yes. Yeah. Yes. And he and and and according to the book of Daniel in, Daniel chapter nine, the Messiah is supposed to come and establish his his mission. Yes. Before the destruction of the of the Second Temple.

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So that’s that’s the same if we take only the. We’ve got the commentary in the oral. It’s very complicated to understand what he’s written.

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Yeah, I understand what you’re saying. I, I have been searching for evidence of the oral Torah from the Tanakh, and I can’t find any. You know what I’m saying? Like, I can’t find it. And I know that it finished its compilation in the sixth and seventh century. And every time that the the the, Torah is mentioned in the Tanakh, it’s referring to a written, written the written law every single time.

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So I haven’t found explicit or implicit evidence of the Oral Torah. And even though there are things like circumcision, how do we circumcise without the Oral Torah? Well, Abraham had circumcision before the Oral Torah was even given to Moses. And so we believe that it was a practice that was happening among pagan nations.

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You all see stuff that’s very so smart and you’re.

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Very, very smart. And I appreciate your.

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Time here because it was, it again brings me to the main money. These make money. These is stating that we do the circumcision not because Abraham did, not because of that. Because that’s not the same he did at the age of 99.

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No, of course.

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We did, because.

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But how to do it?

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Yes we did. We we we do it because of motion.

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Because of Moses. Even though he didn’t do it with the with in for 40 years in the, in the wilderness. And he even, hesitated to even circumcise his own son. So he.

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Said, you.

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Know, it’s such a pleasure to talk to you for. Really? Really. So, so I.

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Think we should have 100 years, you and me, to talk, because it’s so interesting. Shmuel.

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Yeah. So I’m going to go get some feeling. I’m going to go with you now, and I would encourage you to open the New Testament. I know, I know, I know.

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Maybe we’ll do it. Yeah.

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No, no. Because have you ever opened it before?

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No.

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Okay. Can I just tell you what the first sentence is? I shall yashua Mashiach Ben-David been Avraham. It speaks to our people. A Jewish book written by Jewish people speaks to our people about the Jewish Messiah. So nothing bad is going to happen to you if you open it.

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Okay.

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And so I encourage you. I’m going to go get the in.

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Okay. And if you put it in also with the friends. Yes. And you put that on your channel.

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Yes, yes, yes, we’ll put it up. We’ll put it on. We’re going to get we’re going to wrap up. We’ll do that. We’ll do the the Orthodox or the Jewish mitzvah. Yes. Of putting on fill feeling. We’ll put this in the video. Okay. Well, you look, I can do this also out of respect for our for you and for our Jewish people.

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Okay. So I just encourage you as well. Just open and take a look.

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Okay.

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And see in Hebrew. Even if you want to.

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How long are you staying in first?

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We’ll be here till Tuesday.

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Okay, so maybe we will meet again.

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We can exchange a phone number.

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Okay. Swear.

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Yes, Jeff. Can I give you a hug? Come here.

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Much? Looks weird. We’ve got one, two, three people. We love your smile. That was a great conversation. And I still have joys of tears in my eyes. We love you so much. God bless you and good.