The GOP Debate Made Clear: Trump is Taking Some Positions Evangelicals Cannot Support in Good Conscience

Donald Trump makes a point during the CNN Republican presidential debate at the Venetian Hotel & Casino on Tuesday, Dec. 15, 2015, in Las Vegas.

By Owen Strachan Published on December 16, 2015

I have just one point for this piece: evangelicals should think hard about their view of Donald Trump. On the heels of last night’s debate, I am only shored up in this conviction.

Evangelicals need to evaluate carefully the politics of resentment. We have concerns when we hear a candidate advocate the killing of the families of terrorists, and threaten to bar all Muslims from immigrating to America. The very floating of such bromides shows us that Trump sometimes prefers to surf the wave of popular anger instead of crafting policy that responds realistically to very real problems.

Faced with justly frightening circumstances and all-too-real national decline, it is natural to feel deeply and respond strongly. We’re emotional beings. But politics begs for more than emotions. It calls for discretion and careful planning. It asks its practitioners to create policy, to address the roiling conditions of a fallen world with stabilizing ballast grounded in conviction and informed by data. Trump sometimes offers his own platforms, and they surely deserve consideration. At other times he confuses a one-liner for a coherent strategy.

Trump’s personal behavior also should give us pause. His multiple marriages, poor financial practices and callous treatment of fellow candidates leave some of us cold. Trump conducts himself like a bully. He insulted Carly Fiorina’s looks, which no gentleman — to say nothing of a Christ-shaped man — does. He sometimes goes ad hominem when challenged on his views. He preens, exuding arrogance in his public moments.

Voters do not select a pastor-in-chief. We elect a politician. But we have much to consider here. There are numerous candidates running for president at present who have witnessed the precipitous decline of this country under two Obama terms and who have substantive policy, and relevant experience, to offer in response. There are several candidates who are faithful husbands and fathers. There are several candidates who treat their interlocutors with respect, not disdain.

I understand Trump’s appeal. He is an accomplished businessman and unafraid to speak his mind. But he has no political experience, evinces a lack of strong morality and makes explosive statements. In his defense, America definitely needs a vastly improved immigration plan, a credible and coherent foreign policy, and a reignited economy.

Further, many of us do wish to see America great. But we want a viable path to greatness. We also hope for a leader whose character is great. We may not know exactly who to support at this time, but we do know one thing: the time for choosing draws near, and this calls for our minds to be engaged, and our eyes to be wide open.

 

Owen Strachan is a professor at Midwestern Seminary and the author of The Colson Way: Loving Your Neighbor and Living with Faith in a Hostile World (Thomas Nelson, 2015) and Awakening the Evangelical Mind (Zondervan Academic, 2015).

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  • Wayne Cook

    It amazes me that otherwise solid evangelicals have thrown morals to the wind in favor of an angry old man. There are better leaders with more consistent credentials than “The Donald”. he has made more verbal faux pau’s than Biden, yet because he feeds the national anger, we are simply dopy in following him. He screams so much that even even tempered Ben Carson just shakes his head. Carson deals with crisis better than Trump. If Trump is the frontrunner, we are looking at the wrong criteria for President.

    • Lynn B.

      Well said especially your last line! “If Trump is the frontrunner, we are looking at the wrong criteria for President.”

    • Jeanine

      This country needs a Savior and only Christ saves. But He is bringing a new Heaven and new earth. Until then we have to be as passionate about our Savior by voting ppl in whose morals line up with the Word, ie pro life, marriage between a man and a women. Christians need to STOP compromising these values by voting for DemonCrats who are morally deficient and replace God with the government as our source. We should be more passionate about our Savior then the DemonCrats are about their sin. We live in an offensive bombastic culture and maybe we need somebody like that who is not beholding to special interest groups. does not need the money, fame, but perhaps just wants to have an America that is safe, rich, giving for his children’s childrens children. Only Jesus knows the heart. Maybe we should stop thinking we know Trump’s and do what Jesus said. “You will know them by their fruit” and I see a beautiful children ,and someone imperfect like we are who means what he says. Make America Great again for our loved ones.

      • Brian Sanders

        It’s Trump’s fruit that concerns any thinking American. The man is a scoundrel.

    • Winston Altamont

      Agreed, but now comes the question: is there a point at which the case against Trump has been made so forcefully that, should he be our nominee, evangelicals will stay home and let HRC win? We may not trust Trump, worrying that he could swerve left on us; but with Hillary, we can stop worrying, since she’s already over there.

  • Dan Plato

    So evangelicals should instead vote for Cruz the political lawyer, globalist, open borders guy, and husband of a Goldman Sachs executive who sat on a board with vision to merge US with Canada and Mexico? Thereby we can please the world and be more like them, even though the leftists will never forgive the conservatives’ “secular sin” of considering Trump, and not believing the lies of both parties and the media? This may be our one chance of regime change. I wonder how many evangelicals and low-info voters still believe that Obama must somehow be a Christian, despite all the counter-evidence of rhetoric and record. How any Christian could support Clinton is beyond me, at least Cruz does a good job of hiding his multinational corporate and world governmental agenda. What are you guys thinking?

    • Lynn B.

      Dan: I am honestly not sure what you are saying, you seem to be both disdaining Cruz and supporting him. The GOP has never had more good options to choose from in the primary, none are perfect, but several have significant strengths. I am not a huge fan of Cruz but his wife being employed by Goldman Sachs is not relevant.

      There is nothing about Trump that is honest including that he made his money in real estate when what he inherited simply invested in the stock market would have yielding his present wealth. It somehow is seldom mentioned how much he has invested and made in casinos and gambling, and oh yes, there is the little fact that he could not make Atlantic City “great again.” Donald Trump does not even know what made America great in the first place so he could not possibly know what would make it “great again.”

      • Rosemary58

        I stil don’t know how you know these things. Trump does not know what made American great in the first place? How do you know that? Do you know what wil make American great again? If so, I would love to read it.

        • Nicki Ann

          “America is great because she is good. If America ceases to be good, America will cease to be great.” ― Alexis de Tocqueville

          “A French philosopher who visited our shores when America was a new young nation left a similar warning. Alexis De Tocqueville said he came to the United States to learn what magic quality enabled a handful of people to defeat the mighty British Empire twice in 35 years. He looked for the greatness of America in her harbors and rivers, her fertile fields and boundless forests, mines and other natural resources. He studied America’s schools, her Congress, and her matchless Constitution without comprehending America’s power. Not, until he went into the churches of America and heard pulpits “aflame with righteousness” did he understand the secret of her genius and strength. De Tocqueville returned to France and wrote: “America is great because America is good, and if America ever ceases to be good, America will cease to be great” (John Stormer, Death of a Nation, 1968).

          • SJPublius

            Amen, Nicki Ann – thank you for the best point of this whole discussion. Our culture is dying and is in need of renewal – as is our church. Electing another narcissist will not solve our problems. I agree that Mr. Trump is morally questionable, based on his own words and his own actions. I do not trust him to do the right thing for our country. He is not a statesman. He is not a fully mature man, in fact. Witness any of his ad hominem attacks against those who disagree with him. Adolescent. Foolish.
            We have had almost eight years of division, Trump is not a uniter, he does not call us to be our best selves. He is more like the school yard bully. Read De Tocqueville – America’s greatness was/is in her culture. Which of these candidates understands that?

          • Nicki Ann

            I hope many read your post SJP and consider your words.

          • Winston Altamont

            Alexis also said, I think, that our doom will come when the voters discover that they can “vote for themselves largesse from the public treasury.” So what we should be asking, along with all the other questions, is whether our preferred candidate is (frankly) mean and un-PC enough to put a stop to this and also to fire about 10 to 15% of the federal workforce in his first year in office. Nice men like Jeb and Kasich won’t get it done.

          • Nicki Ann

            Cutting back the federal payroll is actually a bit tricky, although very necessary. If we are not prudent with how me make the cuts we end up with a whole lot of unemployment that the private sector cannot absorb.

          • Winston Altamont

            True, but here’s the rub: we already have unemployment that the private sector cannot absorb. There’s going to be massive unemployment. The only question where it occurs and to whom. I’d rather see massive unemployment in Washington than in, say, Peoria. We are right now living with something like 90MM not working. So we can do this. The only question is whose skin is thick enough to do what has to be done.

          • Nicki Ann

            I don’t think that was de Tocqueville who said that but I could not find the quote to confirm. However, to be certain, America’s Founding Fathers feared that very thing along with several other of our present problems.

            “A government big enough to give you everything you want is strong enough to take everything you have” (Thomas Jefferson).

            “I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them” (Thomas Jefferson).

            “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other” (John Adams).

            “The duty of a true patriot is to protect his country from its government” (Thomas Paine).

            And this, “The easiest way to gain control of a population is to carry out acts of terror. (The public) will clamor for such laws if their personal security is threatened” (Josef Stalin).

            This is interesting: The 10 Commandments contain 297 words. The Bill of Rights is stated in 463 words. Lincoln’s Gettysburg Address contains 266 words. A recent federal directive to regulate the price of cabbage contains 26,911 words. The Atlanta Journal

  • S T

    Do you know term of team work? Trump has most everyone line up for his cabinet. That what a businessman would have done.

    • Lynn B.

      How many of those cabinet members have Trump in their names?

      Remember that Trump has had quite a lot of experience with failure in business as well as some success. Furthermore, while government would do well to learn some things from business government and running government is not the same as business and running a business.

      Do you know how much money Donald Trump inherited? If he had just invested it in the stock market he would be exactly where he is today financially so how successful has he really been?

      I’m sorry but Trump’s business experience does not impress me in the least.

      • Winston Altamont

        It should impress you at least a bit. Lots of people lose their shirts trying to do exactly what Trump has done successfully over and over. In fact, Trump nearly lost his shirt a few times. Real estate and construction is graveyard for many formerly rich people. So the most important question is not what Trump started with (although that does matter, for sure). The most important question in this area is whether Trump has done something not many others could have done. Can you imagine someone like Obama or Hillary building a skyscraper or leading effectively in any large, coordinate endeavor involving a budget, cash-flow issues, legal matters, labor relations, and the need for profits in the end? That’s the devastating question here.

        • Nicki Ann

          Making money does not in my opinion qualify one to be president.

          • Winston Altamont

            No, of course not. Not on its own; but it is evidence of management ability and some sense of how our economy works and how things get done in this country. That’s why, for example, George H. W. Bush advertised his background as an oilman, prior to running for high office. The same thing was said about Mitt Romney, and we’d have been fools not to take that background into consideration. The difference, for what it’s worth: Trump has been massively more successful doing what he does, compared to the others mentioned above and compared to any other candidate in the same regard.

          • Nicki Ann

            Let me make this clear so there is no misunderstanding. I believe Donald Trump to be the scum of the earth and I will not vote for him. No amount of business acumen out weighs his lack of morals.

            No other Republican candidate for president in my memory has been such a low life. Romney, and GHWB, whom you mention were men of high integrity who had business experience too.

          • Winston Altamont

            Fair enough. But that is, after all, a different argument than the one you were making. And, of course, what the “Never Trump” policy leads to, should he get the nomination against your wishes, is President Hillary, the multiplex felon who will ensure that we get government-funded infanticide, gay marriage, and wild spending until the whole thing goes underwater. But at least you will have kept your franchise-virtue, so that’s something.

          • Nicki Ann

            There is no difference between Hillary and Donald Trump.

          • Winston Altamont

            Really? You actually think that, say, Trump is as committed to mass immigration, infanticide, secularization, high taxes, and gay rights as Hillary? Or are you just losing interest here (which is fine, by the way).

          • Nicki Ann

            Hillary is Marx/Lenin/Trotsky and Trump is Hitler/Mussolini. One is left and one is right and both are the same in the end. Both are equally lacking in morals and believe themselves to be supreme beings high above all others and looking down in kindness to care for the lesser peons.

            If you read about Hitler in a bullet point list, he actually sounds just like Donald Trump beginning with “Make America Great Again” and the fact that he took power through a democratic process.

          • Winston Altamont

            Godwin’s Law, confirmed. Here’s the problem w your comparison. I agree that Hillary is a statist/Marxist, in that her method involves top-down command and control governance, with the stress on redistribution and economic determinism. But there’s at least one completely fatal flaw in your Trump = Hitler comparison. Trump is unabashedly pro-Second Amendment, which no aspirational fascist would ever be, because the 2A is the best defense against fascist tyranny. If you really want to take over, first you have to disarm the public. Also, I don’t think you understand properly what National Socialism was. It was a fascist movement, and fascism is a phenomenon of the left, because it is statist, not the right, which celebrates liberty. There is no evidence at all that Trump wants to deify the state and turn all efforts inward upon the state as god. Your comparisons are trivially true and would have applied to RR and many other patriot-presidents who wanted to see our country realize its full potential. Trump is not my preferred candidate, but this effort to paint him as Adolf, Benito, or whatever, is unserious.

          • Nicki Ann

            Donald Trump’s present “Republican” positions are not his historical positions. He has no true convictions except “The Art of
            the Deal,” because he is a man without morality and thus has no basis for conviction. He tries to play the “Ronald Reagan was once a Democrat” card but it does not work, Regan actually changed his positions and did not fluctuate according to the audience or need like Trump.

            Donald Trump wants to treat Muslims exactly as Hitler treated the Jews and in a moment, those policies can be turned towards Christians, Jews, or anyone of his choice. He wants to monitor mosques; what will stop him from monitoring churches or Bible studies? He also wants to call killers “mentally ill” and lock them up. Do you know how close the APA is to calling religion and Christianity in particular a mental illness? Did you hear the vile things he said about Dr. Ben Carson’s violent childhood and that people could not change? Trump scares me to death.

            In Trump’s book, “The America We Deserve,” he advocates banning assault weapons and a three-day waiting period on purchase of other guns. In that same book, he supports single-payer socialized medicine, partial birth abortion (not only abortion, partial birth abortion), and a hefty “one time” tax on the job creators (i.e. the wealthy).

            Recently, The Donald has also said he would like to appoint his sister to the Supreme Court, and she has supported partial birth abortion as a jurist.

            Did you hear the kind things Trump said about Putin this week including that he is brilliant, talented, a strong and powerful leader, and it was a great honor that he praised Trump? What does it mean that Putin is following Trump and complimenting him? In response to Joe Scarborough saying that Putin killed journalists who do not agree with him, Trump responded, “there is a lot of killing going on and our country does a lot of killing…”

            I am not going to debate fascism vs. communism with you but I have an idea you know full well that fascism is generally considered to be right wing.

          • Winston Altamont

            Fascism is called ‘right wing,’ by communists, in order to flag it as an enemy of their leftism. Methodologically, there is zero difference between the two. They are statist political philosophies. Both see the goodness of society as coming from centralized control of the economy, among other things. That’s all that matters.

            I’m perfectly aware of these positions taken by Trump in the past, and that’s why he’s not my preferred candidate. Not even close. But several items to consider, if you will. First, Trump’s call for the border wall and the exclusion of Muslims were brave, countercultural stances that would not have been taken by someone who could have risen smoothly up through the GOP ranks and won anyway. You don’t say these things if your desire is just to get elected and then do whatever you want. Secondly, you have not addressed by reference to his support for the 2A. This matters. It’s the first freedom that guarantees the others, and Trump wants to make sure that you can have guns. This is not what a crypto-fascist would do. Thirdly, of course any morally decent person has got to hate some of the views defended by Trump in times past, as all of us wince when we learn that RR signed a liberal abortion law in CA. Not good. Trump’s views are worse, though; and I’m the last to disagree. But you’re not seeing the basic dilemma that the voters may well face in November. We are probably not going to be confronted with a choice between, say, Rick Santorum and Hillary Clinton. We’re probably going to get either (a) someone who might not, after all, govern as a radical, leftist democrat (Trump) or (b) someone who absolutely will and you know it (Hillary). In that case, we had better vote for Trump and pray that everyone else does too; because if Hillary gets elected, it’s over. And that you also know.

          • Winston Altamont

            I meant to include this other point, which might be useful. Trump isn’t scapegoating Muslims in the way that Hitler scapegoated Jews and targeted them, as we all know. Jews have never done anything to earn the distrust of humanity at large, not then and not now. But Muslims have earned that distrust. We are perfectly within our rights to keep a close eye on them; and since no one has the right to come to America, there can be no injustice against a Muslim in denying him entry to the America. What could possibly be wrong with keeping the number of Muslims entering this country to a minimum? We should keep them from becoming citizens, if they aren’t citizens now, precisely because disturbing numbers of them would want to finish the job Hitler started, and they just say that out loud. If they are citizens now, we’re trapped by our own Constitution, which is exactly why we don’t want more of them. It’s ironic that you’d rush to the side Trump isn’t on, believing that doing so would put you on the side of Jews. Exactly the opposite is true, or it sure seems to be. But no one’s disputing the fact that Trump would be, at best, an imperfect candidate.

          • Nicki Ann

            Fox News Verified account ‏@FoxNews
            @KatrinaPierson (Trump Campaign Spokesperson): “What good does it do to have a good nuclear triad if you’re afraid to use it?” #OReillyFactor

          • Winston Altamont

            Relevance to the present discussion?

      • Rosemary58

        How do you know about what Trump inherited and if he has merely invested that he would be in the same place today? Do you have access to his finances?

        • Lynn B.

          Internet friend, do you know how it works?

  • JimmieKrackKorn

    When the religious right start dictating who we can and can’t vote for it never ends up well.
    The office of the presidency is a SECULAR office in a land that offers freedom of religion. It’s not a Christian office.
    Look Washington was a staunch Freemason. He claimed he learned the vernacular of his constituency (Christianity) out of political expediency.
    America has suffered 7+ years of Islamic favor Israel hatred racial strife at the hands of one who may be the most satanic president we’ve ever had.
    ALL BECAUSE THE CHURCH COULDN’T DECIDE ON WHO TO VOTE FOR AND DIDN’T SHOW UP AT THE POLLS.
    24% of confessing evangelicals voted for Barack Obama.
    We can’t take a chance by letting the church leaders dictate to us again who we should and shouldn’t vote for.
    Trump is not a very Christian-esque guy to me but you know what? I’m not electing a spiritual leader.
    If we fool around your daughters will be wearing habibs.

    • Jeanine

      Amen Jimmie. I could not have said it better myself. The church needs to STOP trying to be the Holy Spirit. God can use whomever he wants and I believe Trump is God’s TRUMPet in these last days. The church has left it’s first love (Revelation Chapters 2 and 3) and it needs to focus on judging the inside and leave God to judge the outside as the scriptures state. If God can use Paul who killed Christians, I am sure he can use Trump to sound his Trumpet. .(1Corinthians 15:51-52). TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP that is all we hear or see and since God always warns his people before judgment, “he that ears to hear what the Spirit is saying to the Churches.” I believe we are headed for some serious tribulation in this country and throughout the world. The church needs to focus on getting their sheep prepared by teaching repentance and conviction rather than prosperity and name and claim it. They are supposed to be Watchman (Ezekiel Chapter 33) but many will have blood on their hands. I would hate to be in their shoes on judgment day. God Bless You.

      • Lynn B.

        This is a joke, you oppose “name it and claim it” and support Trump who is all about greed. His entire make America great again thing is about money and not about morality or anything that might actually make American great again.

        • Winston Altamont

          Trump’s candidacy is about economic and national security, unless he’s systematically deceiving us about his motives, which could be more or less true of any candidate (hence the checks/balances). If we go broke, it all ends, including basic needs of law enforcement, disaster response, etc. So, yes: it’s about money, because it needs to be. That’s not all it should be about, and no one should confuse Trump w a Christian; but at least he thinks avoiding a collapse of our government, Zimbabwe-style, is fairly important. I’d sooner be governed by a coarse blowhard who sees this problem and wants to fix it than a well-meaning, desperately earnest Saint who doesn’t. Votes are not gestures of self-expression. They are tools for securing certain results.

          • Nicki Ann

            Winston: I find your post interesting. Trump bloviates about being a bully on the national scene and putting everyone “in their place,” but I see that only as his over sized ego that knows nothing of diplomacy or foreign affairs and thus I do not equate it with a reasonable solution for national security. Trump’s tax policies are not far off from the democrats and would hinder job growth, he is opposed to entitlement reform, and I’ve heard him say nothing about eliminating federal agencies or payroll, etc., etc. He just makes a lot of noise and to my mind appeals to those who are not real knowledgeable of the issues and real solutions. To me, Trump typifies those who believe they are the best in the world just because they were born in America but actually are not the cream of the crop.

          • Winston Altamont

            OK, some points worth dealing with here. His tax policy is fairly close to what RR proposed and got passed through congress. It’s not flat, like Cruz or Carson, but it’s vastly better than we have now. He want’s a substantially lower corporate rate, which HRC would not allow. She’d raise it, I think. We only have what DT says, but what he says is nothing like what HRC wants. As for entitlements, I’ve heard him on this, some time ago. What he says is that the GOP can’t win on plans to cut SS and Medicare. The Dems will demagogue this issue into the ground, and the GOP will lose. We have to get the job done mostly by growing our way out of it. He’s wrong to think that growth will suffice on its own, but I see where he’s coming from. The GOP has to win the election, or we’re going to get wild spending and no growth, for 8 years, combined with three more Kagans on the SCOTUS. As for foreign policy, DT believes that it’s better for us to be feared by our enemies than respected by our so-called friends. Cruz would want both, but if we have to choose? Go with fear. Our president needs to be seen by the Islamist world as a determined man, not just as a kind, well-meaning one.

          • Nicki Ann

            Winston, I have to be finished with this discussion. You at least make some logical arguments even if I do not agree with you. May God have mercy on America!

    • Lynn B.

      I agree Jimmie that we are not electing a pastor but surely you want a man of character in the White House and that is not Donald Trump. The man has no character and no convictions beyond self-aggrandizement. He wants to appoint his sister to the Supreme Court and she has supported partial-birth abortion from the bench. Real conservative there, ya think?

  • Winston Altamont

    My concern is that this kind of argument will be so convincing to evangelicals that they will not vote for Trump in the general election, since their preferred candidate may not be on the ballot. Then we get from Hillary: 1. mass naturalization of democrat voters, 2. the end of any conservative opposition in Washington, 3. two or three more justices like Ginsberg, 4. gay marriage and infanticide forever, and 5. unrestrained spending and private property seizure, until the federal government goes bankrupt and takes us all down with it. But at least we didn’t vote for Trump. So that’s good.

    • Charity

      You can be sure that a great many evangelicals will not vote Trump or Hillary and Hillary will win by default. You’d better pray that Trump is not the GOP nominee and while these endorsements will influence some they do not influence me in the least.

      • Winston Altamont

        I think you’re basically right here. The remaining concern that I have is that it might be too late to secure a high GOP voter turnout, if the nominee isn’t Trump. So many GOP voters are deeply committed to Trump, and I don’t know what they’d do, if he were not the final nominee. The only person that I think could possibly round them up is Cruz. Rubio is freakishly articulate and knowledgeable, but so was Romney, if you think about it. And he lost. To Obama, no less.

        • Charity

          Trump has the highest negatives of any GOP candidate; the number of people who say they absolutely will not vote for him is far greater than those who support him.

          Romney lost because many evangelicals refused to vote for a Mormon no matter the consequence. That group would love Cruz but they will also likely vote for Rubio.

          I question that Cruz can govern because he is so bombastic, but that is what the group in this article wants. If Cruz is elected I would expect the liberals to sweep in 2018 and 2020 and what will have been gained.

          • Winston Altamont

            You are pointing out the basic struggle going on now in the GOP. The bottom line is that we don’t really know well enough why the voters chose BHO over McCain and Romney. Both of the latter were thought to be measured, electable men; and they lost. Diagnosis from some: neither energized the base by giving them a bold, clear alternative to the Demos. People seem to forget, or never knew, how much the left hated RR and how dire the predictions were of his eventual defeat.

          • Nicki Ann

            Regan was elected almost 35 years ago and I am sure many do not remember much about the sentiment leading up to the election. I am sure I voted for him but I have no idea how I felt about him at the time. I was only in my mid-twenties.

            I voted for McCain but I was disappointed that he was the GOP candidate. Unlike Trump, I believe he is a war hero, but I do not see him as a political hero.

            I was fine with Romney, not thrilled, but very fine.

            I do not know a lot of history about the political parties but I know they have changed quite a lot even in my lifetime. When I was a child all blue collar people were Democrats and many of those people have voted GOP for years because of moral/social issues if nothing else. As the Dems have become increasingly socialistic some of the old school Dems have also seen the light in that regard. So today the GOP has a lot of middle class folks and still the old money big business folks. It is almost like we are two parties and it will be interesting to see how the future plays out and if the party splits.

          • Lynn B.

            Winston: Both McCain and Romney were thought to be electable by whom? It may be that the powers that be have tried to wield too much control and need to leave the choice of GOP candidate to the people. The whole Sarah Palin thing was a disaster and crafted to win the evangelicals and not for any other reason and it backfired royal. At the same time, anyone who did not know many evangelicals would stay home and would not vote for a Mormon were not very enlightened. If there is a message in the McCain/Romney loses it may be that the middle-of-the road candidate is a loser.

          • Winston Altamont

            I think we agree on this. The GOP establishment defines “electable” by the same logic that gives us elevator music and airline food. They equate the merely tolerable with the desireable and expect us to show up on Election Day with bells on.

        • Rosemary58

          Romney lost due to many Republicans (evangelicals?) not wanting a Mormon president, so look at what we got. At some point, certain Republicans, including RINOs, will have to buckle up and vote their party.

          • Nicki Ann

            Rosemary58: I agree with you about the many who would not vote for a Mormon. Presently, there are many who will not vote for a Seventh Day Adventist. Those people will always choose their convictions that they believe to be biblical over anything Republican Party related.

            As for the RINOs, that is a different discussion and one I find interesting. I am not really certain who they are and what they stand for or if they really have an identity. Possibly, just the far right labels the less conservative folks in the party RINO and that is not necessarily fair. Personally, I would expect the RINOs to support the candidate the evangelicals support but the opposite is not necessary true.

        • Jeanine

          Hello Winston, God has already ordained whom the next President will be if any. The thing about Trump is the name, TRUMP and I believe God is sounding the TRUMPet to the church. The church is lost and in apostasy and you cannot tell the church from the world. You cannot be a bible believing Christian and vote for a Demon-Crat, not democrat because their platform is Satanic. But, too many so-called Christians vote the Demon-Crat party and say we are not to judge when we should be voting in people whose values line up with the Word of God as much as possible. A Cruz nomination would make Conservatives feel good, but he could NEVER win the general election. He would get 0 black votes, ? Hispanic because of his immigration stance, and He is not well liked. While he filibustered in the Senate, he proved to be ineffective. Perhaps he needs to read the Art of the Deal. I like Cruz, but I do not trust him now after I read the Newsmax article where Cruz stated he is the Best Conservative out of the group and all you have to do is to look at his fruit? ummmm. Pride cometh before the fall. Then he uses his daughter to parody Hillary’s email. This was a child poking fun at an adult who probably didn’t even understand what she was saying. Disrespectful. Cruz not on my list anymore, for sure.

          • Winston Altamont

            You’re probably being too tough on Cruz in this sense: when we consider a candidate, we have to keep in mind the all-important practical question, “Compared to what?” Cruz is a politician, which means he’s certainly going to say that he’s the best candidate. You’d hope he thinks so, given the job he’s after. As for the children, their involvement depends mainly on the type of thing they’re doing. There was nothing obscene or vicious about what they did in the Cruz video, as opposed to the kids in the Hispanic, anti-Trump video some weeks ago, who were flipping him off and so forth. PS, if you’d always capitalize the ‘q’ in Quran, do the same thing with the ‘b’ in Bible.

      • Jeanine

        Do not believe the Kool-aid that the Demon-Crats and Republicans (both the same) are pushing about Hillary. If Hillary becomes President it is a sign that the time is up. Because their will be SUDDEN destruction from the Most High. Life and Death is in the Power of the tongue and I will NEVER say any Demon-Crat will will the election. Because another 4 years of a Demon-Crat will surely usher in the anti-christ.

    • Jeanine

      Not concerned because God has already ordained who will be the next King. The point of this election is to choose today whom we will serve (vote for). A Demon-Crat who platform is contrary to biblical values, or somecloser to biblical values on abortion, marriage as these are what Jesus looks for in us. “Today i put before you life and death, blessing and cursing” (then Jesus gives us a hint and says), choose LIFE so that you and your descendants may live.” Deut. 30:19 Too many supposed Christians voting DEMON-CRATIC and that, I am sure, is NOT pleasing to God. The economy is not even an issue if we believe God is our source. What is unfortunate is that too many Christian voted for OBAMA and did not care what he stood for. And like the Bible says in Proverbs 29:2, when the wicked is in power the people suffer.” And boy is this country suffering. Just the beginning of sorrows too.

  • Rosemary58

    How can Trump be both “an accomplished businessman” and have “poor financial practices”?
    No president can “craft” policy unless he has Congress with him. These candidates can say anything but if elected, they really can’t do much on their own – even with executive directives, which can be challenged, as we see with Obama’s.
    And where has politeness gotten us? I would rather have a president who makes bold or provocative statements than someone who pleasantly gives politically expedient comments.
    Remember that Trump (not my candidate, BTW), could be sitting back and watching all this on TV, sipping Chateau LaFite (sp). He has worked to keep his family together, despite his bad behavior in years gone by. They seem to love him and admire him. As many men do, he could have walked away from them, but he hasn’t.

    • Jeanine

      Well said. You will know them by their fruits and when you look at his children he DID GOOD. Also starting a business and making it successful is no easy feat. The point is you don’t give up until you get it done. Trump did that. He used the tax laws of this country to get it right and now he is a good steward of all God has blessed him with. Maybe God is taking him to a higher level because only He knows the heart of man.

      • Nicki Ann

        Jeanine: The heart of a man is revealed in his words and I hear Donald Trump saying nothing to make me believe he has changed. He used the bankruptcy laws to cheat his creditors and without regret. His children are like him esteeming money and power above all else and I do not find that admirable. What would happen to their inheritance and their positions in the Trump organization if they were not a supporter of their father? Your own heart must be very aligned with Trump and that says much about you but it does not say anything good.

  • Mo86

    “and threaten to bar all Muslims from immigrating to America.”

    I keep hearing this charge, but I still can’t find where he said this. If you are going to write a piece like this, why not provide the links for evidence so people can be properly informed?

    “He insulted Carly Fiorina’s looks, which no gentleman — to say nothing of a Christ-shaped man — does.”

    Oh, for goodness’ sake. This man is not a follower of Christ!

    • Lynn B.

      Mo86 you are correct that the writer should provide links but you easy enough could do a web search and find the evidence yourself.

    • Jeanine

      Their is MORE offense, abortion, fornication and adultery and pro-choice people sitting in the Church then their is in the world. Think back on the thoughts and hateful words you have said, we all have said. How do you know he does not feel bad about that now. He could have repented…. He certainly hasn’t attacked her since then but she still attacks him.

      We all SIN and have fallen short of the Glory. Oh, for goodness sake I did not know you were perfect and everything out of your mouth honors God. Please…….

  • Jeanine

    Evangelicals STOP trying to be the Holy Spirit. God is sounding the TRUMPet in these last days. It’s the NAME in the MAN, not the man. Paul KILLED Christians. God can use whomever he wants.

    Look the Church has lost is credibility when 70% of Christians have abortions, are offensive, hypocritical, fornicators and adulterers and is so humanistic you cannot tell the church from the world. Many of the pastors, i.e. Jamal Bryant, have had babies out of wedlock and he is hating on Trump. And, I know pastors, especially BLACK PASTORS who voted for OBAMA both times and now we have PROMINENT pastors marrying gays, saying All God’s are the same, etc and Ecumenism

    Please FOCUS on CLEANING UP YOUR OWN HOUSE first. And, Let the Holy Spirit judge those on the OUTSIDE like the Scriptures state. Jesus is coming back for a pure church which means you got a lot of work to do. #Trump2016 is God’s TRUMPet. “He who has ears to hear what the Spirit is saying to the Churches.” For the Church has LEFT its First Love. (Revelation Chapters 2 and 3). Focus on that. okay.

    • Nicki Ann

      Jeannie: You dear friend are not a prophet and Donald Trump is not God’s trumpet. Granted, God used the Apostle Paul in spite of his past sin but HE REDEEMED HIS FIRST and Donald Trump does not even see himself as a sinner in need of repentance.

      • Jeanine

        And Paul killed Christians, David took another man’s wife and had him killed, Ruth was a Moabie, worshipped idols and killed children on the throne of their God, and Rahab, a prostitute made a deal with Joshua. All I am saying is God can change hearts and he uses people WE THINK are not worthy.. ALL of us have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. That is why we MUST die daily.

        All I am saying is do not put God in a box. Because ONLY He knows our end from our beginning. God uses the unlikely. Trump never said he did not ask for repentance, he said he doesn’t believe he asked God for forgiveness he just tries to make it right. Most people sitting in church today don’t open their bibles, There a millions of devout Catholics who worship an perfect Pope, pray and worship idols daily and believe they are worshiping correctly.

        God renews the mind and heart daily as He does for us everyday when we ask. How do you know that Trump isn’t asking for the Light.

        • Nicki Ann

          Jeanine: You say good things mixed with nonsense. Christians should be voting for the person that most represents our values and that is not Donald Trump. That God can change someone is beside the point. Donald Trump has made clear he does not believe that God could have changed the life of a young angry and violent Ben Carson so he knows nothing, nothing at all, of redemption. Carson, Rubio, Cruz, Fiorina are all better options for president than Donald Trump.

          • Jeanine

            Rubio is a liar and because he got caught about the gang of 8 amnesty suddenly he is righteous? He is a good orator. Reminds me of another great orator, Barak Hussain Obama and I say no thanks to that. Fiorina could NOT beat Barbara Boxer in California a failing state, she was fired from Hewlard Packard, NO THANKS. And, she does not speak with sincerity, her face doesn’t move only her lips. Everything is scripted and NOT from the heart like Donald Trump.

            Did you know that Ben Carson NEVER went to his Father’s funeral and his father is buried in an unmarked grave. Why? because his father left his mom and married another women. So where is Ben Carson’s forgiveness? Also, did you know that Ben Carson believes in “Civil Unions.” He is compromising. As far as God is concerned it is still a SIN.

            You see what happens when you pick and choose whom you will condemn.

          • Nicki Ann

            Rubio is a liar says you who is saying not to judge?

            I do not believe that Ben Carson’s father was part of his life and he did not leave his mother for another woman, he already had another wife and family when he married Ben’s mother.

            You completely misunderstand Carson’s position on Civil Unions – he is saying marriage cannot be redefined and immorality cannot be sanctioned but people do have certain legal rights regardless of their sinful lifestyles.

            Jeanine, you are not thoughtful. You’re a rambling illogical maniac and this is my last post to you.

          • Conservachique

            I agree with your last sentence about Carson, Rubio, Cruz, & Fiorina being better — but NOT Hillary. The only thing I see about Trump over the others is that he’d have Russia & Iran scared because they’d not be sure what the heck he’d do. And Trump doesn’t care what the Media or anyone says about him where the others stumble over themselves a little when the Left or the Media puts the pressure on them. Put it this way, IF a Republican other than Trump somehow could win this election & be President, the MSM will treat him or her worse than they did Bush. The Media has gotten very bold in their condemnation of “the Right”. Trump does not care and hits them right back.

            Ehhh….I hate even being in this position of ‘defending Trump’ in any way. I just know I don’t want Hillary or a Democrat in office…at least any of the Democrats who are running thus far.

    • Lynn B.

      You do not even make good horse sense Jeanine! Our freedom to vote for our governmental leaders is a sacred trust that needs to be stewarded wisely and of necessity requires us to judge the candidates.

      • Jeanine

        And that means we look at the values that line up with the Word of God, I.e pro life, marriage between a man and a women. We need to be uncompromising and more passionate about that then the DemonCrats are passionate about their sin. We are NOT going to get everything in one person, but this I where we should start when looking at a candidate. Then, we look at economic issues, jobs, etc. We need to STOP the personal attacks because thst is Not discernment ot judging. It is CONDEMNATION. And there lies the problem, we cannot see clearly without first removing the plabk from our own eyes

        • Brian Sanders

          Principles that align with God’s Word??? And you support Donald Trump? Are you aware that he wants to put his sister on the Supreme Court and she has supported partial birth abortion from the bench? Are you aware of his 2010 book where he clearly outlined every moral issue Christians are concerned with and he is on the wrong side. Trump is only conveniently conservative for the moment for his own egotistical ends. If you are so naïve please at least keep it to yourself and do not influence others towards evil.

          • Conservachique

            I’m not a Trump-supporter, but if it comes down to between Hillary & Trump, I’ll vote for Trump. Like you, I think he’s conveniently conservative in many areas for his own purposes, though he may have evolved in certain areas, too. But if it comes down to between the two (Hillary vs Trump)….I think Hillary would be the worst.

            I hate to be so divided by party, but I can’t agree with anything the Democrats are for anymore from liberal social issues to their tax and welfare stances to their foreign policy. And the establishment Republicans are in lock-step with many of the powerful Democrats. (e.g. Boehner & McConnell)

            Trump’s 3 grown kids are hard-workers, successful, and appear to adore their father. Trump did contribute personally to many of the charities on The Apprentice, so I don’t see him as the monster he’s being painted right now. I have not gone down the line of issues as you described from his 2010 book, his sister, etc. If he becomes the Republican candidate, I will have to. (I’m hoping Cruz or Rubio somehow makes it, but I’m preparing for if it’s Trump.)

            I just know Hillary is bad and it’s not just Hillary; it would be Bill and ALL of their connections. Hillary’s very shady and already has lots of power (because of the Clinton powerhouse). The MSM would protect them all the way for the next 8 years – if Hillary wins President. There’s so many disgusting things about her. One of the worst things is how she was recorded laughing when she got her rapist client off after he brutally raped a 12 year old virgin girl when he passed a lie detector test. The 12 year old girl was in a coma for a while & will never be able to get pregnant. There’s Benghazi & her knowing it was a terrorist attack but she blamed it on a video–she is such a bold face liar.

        • Brian Sanders

          DemonCrats is not CONDEMNATION?

          • Jeanine

            Really??? The entire platform is Demonic.

  • Jeanine

    TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP, God always warns before he judges. He that ears to hear let him hear what the Spirit is saying to the churches. It is not the name of the man, but the NAME IN THE MAN, God is sounding His TRUMPet in these last days. Tribulation is coming to both the just and the unjust. No matter what any Evangelical Pastors say, It is already a done deal.
    God raises and brings down kings. Our time would be better spent
    Choosing today whom we will serve. STOP putting God in our little box. Think outside the box, i.e. Can you imagine the coming anti-christ telling Donald Trump you HAVE to TAKE MY MARK before you can buy or sell? ummmm. Jesus said he would provide a way of escape and NOT all countries fall under the power of the anti-christ (i.e. Israel, Jordon and the anti-christ is constantly warring with nations). Unless you believe in the Pre-Tribulation Rescue (oops Rapture) we may very well be here for the Anti-christ. NOBODY knows for sure when the Rapture will come, but one thing we do know from the mouth of Jesus, “he who endures to the end will be saved.”

    • Nicki Ann

      Jeanine: Forgive me but I think you are nuts if you believe that Donald Trump is some sort of warning or answer from God. You ask can we imagine Trump taking the mark of the anti-Christ and I will tell you that I can imagine him BEING the anti-Christ.

      I understand that Hitler was voted in by Austria and won 98% of the vote and I fear something very much like that with Trump. Please think about that and let it sober your thinking.

      I fear Donald Trump more than Hillary Clinton and see either or both of them as God’s judgment on our nation and our foolish, selfish, self-centered voters.

      Our founders sacrificed all they had including their wealth, livelihood, and their honor while putting their very lives at risk for the greater good of our nation but today I fear the Trump supporters are primarily motivated by pride and greed just like The Donald himself.

      • Jeanine

        I never said that God is endorsing Donald Trump. The problem is we need to STOP putting God in a box. What I said, was it is the NAME in the man. TRUMP TRUMP TRUMP God is warning those of us who have ears to hear what the Spirit is saying to the churches, God is warning us in these last days. Also, our founders were mostly FREE MASONS who worshiped paganism. All you have to do is look at Lincoln Monument which is the penis of Nimrod and the Roman columns of the Capital, the back of our dollar bill, etc. This is NOT God’s kingdom. This is a Babylonian System we live in. Also, I wish so-called Christians would STOP trying to judge those on the outside like you are doing with respect to speculating as to who Trumps supporters are, because God said he would judge those. The church is in Apostasy and has been for eons, all we have to do is look around and see the condition of the world. You cannot tell the church from the world. I listen to the Holy Spirit and not what is popular or what the church pastor tells we to do or vote. Too many blacks listened to their Black Pastors who encouraged their members to vote for the First Black President (both times) even though his beliefs were contrary to the will of God. The pastors needs to KEEP their opinions to themselves as to whom people should vote for but rather encourage them to pray and let the Holy Spirit lead them. Jesus had to CAST OUT DEMONS out of the sanctuary, Mark 1:39. Too many lying spiritual leaders in the church calling themselves evangelicals, prophets and bishops. Jesus is my example and he should be yours.

        • Lynn B.

          You are correct Jeanine that God’s Kingdom is not of this world, but most of what you write is incongruent. You think you listen to the Holy Spirit but the Spirit speaks through the Word of God and I would suggest to you that your extra-biblical messages are actually from an unholy spirit. You also do not know the meaning of the word judge in the biblical context. When we say a man who has many wives is immoral that is not our judging, God’s Word is doing the judging. When we reject a candidate or support a candidate for political office we of necessity must apply certain judgments as well as discernment and that is by no means unbiblical.

      • Winston Altamont

        Trump is not grand, smooth, and admirable enough to be The Antichrist. He’s a fast-talking real estate guy from NYC, with the ability to hold a crowd, mostly because he’s entertaining. He hasn’t arisen mysteriously from nowhere. He’s been in the public eye, I’d guess, longer than you’ve been alive. We know this man very well, really almost too well. But the Man of Lawlessness? No. As for the greed charge, think carefully: what are his two signature issues? Immigration and national security, with the national debt getting honorable mention. What straight line can you draw between them and greed? This is what liberals always say about conservatives: that we’re just trying to fatten our own wallets while we throw old ladies into the snow. Still, I like Cruz. Hope he wins.

        • Nicki Ann

          I have not heard Trump say anything definitive about cutting the national debt, eliminating federal workers, etc. He has said he would make no changes to Social Security or Medicare and he wants to keep Planned Parenthood as is because “women’s health care is needed.” His rallying cry is bring the jobs home and send away those willing to do the low paying jobs, which I doubt that he can do on either count, and that is the basis of my statement that his hole platform is about greed. My statement about Trump being the anti-Christ was more tongue-in-cheek than literal. I do not actually think he is the anti-Christ but I do believe he is evil and could be the final straw in America’s downfall and the setup for the anti-Christ on this side of the pond so to speak.

          • Jeanine

            Stop listening to the MSM. Trump is keep it close to the vest and not letting the naysayers see his “whole card.” He is saying just enough, like Banning all Muslims TEMPORARILY until the Gov’t gets a handle on the vetting process, building a wall? No changes to social security and Medicare because they work if the gov’t would control the debt. There are MANY anti-christs in the world, which just means against Christ. You can start with the President and the rest of the DEMON-CRATS who pretty much allow the persecution of Christians in this country. STOP condemning someone whose heart you do not know.

          • Nicki Ann

            Jeanine: Now we really know how lacking in understanding you are, Social Security and Medicare “work” if the government controls the debt… really… I have a bridge I’d like to sell you… it’s cheap…

          • Jeanine

            Social Security and Medicare is UNFUNDED because the Gov’t takes money away from people who put into Social Security expecting to have it in their later years. If the Gov’t would stop paying for a bunch illegals with free healthcare, food stamps, free cell phones, daycare for a bunch of lazy people we would not have this problem. The Gov’t needs to be run like a business and someone like Trump will make it work. Would not buy anything from you Nicki cause you don’t know what you are talking about. You just want to hate and be disagreeable.

          • Conservachique

            you make a lot of sense, Jeanine.

          • Nicki Ann

            Jeanine: I happen to be an accountant and I do know what I am talking about and you dear one are the one misinformed.

          • Conservachique

            Jeanine make a valid point about Social Security & Medicare and appears to know more about it than you realize. The government has used it on welfare projects & illegals–just as Jeanine said–and left IOU’s in it’s place. That is why it’s not “working”. It’s politicians like Hillary, Obama, & Rino Republicans who’ve got us to this place.

            It is time we have an outsider OR someone who the status-quo politicians don’t like: Cruz/Trump/Fiorina/Carson. And these guys have enough experience to hold the office of President–it’s about judgement & wisdom—not “political personal interests” like the status quo candidates. These guys know who to listen to & trust & NOT be driven by politics but be driven by upholding the Constitution and what is best for the country….not what is best for their political clout & re-election. All of those outsiders could & would do a better job than any “experienced politician” running.

          • Nicki Ann

            Conservachique: You and Jeanine are both wrong about Social Security and Medicare. The borrowed Trust Funds are only one piece of a very big and significantly complex problem. First, we are living much longer than when Social Security was implemented so we collect benefits for many more years. The second problem is the vast number of baby boomers reaching retirement age combined with the drop in the birth rate following the boomers which becomes a much smaller ratio of workers to retirees. The problem lessens somewhat after the boomers are dead. In part, this is a problem created by abortion. If the programs are to survive there must be increased taxes, making retirement age later, reduction of benefits, and repayment of the Trust Funds. At some point someone has to have the courage to educate the general public. This problem is not going to just go away.

          • Winston Altamont

            Trump talks about our being 19 trillion in debt all the time. Constantly. He says it in every interview. Non-stop. The Planned Parenthood thing is evolving, all in the right direction. His first statement was that the AB’s done by PP would not be funded. Then it was pointed out to him that money can be shifted around, so that any funds going to PP would fund AB. In response to that, he said that, in that case, no money would go to PP. As for sending away “those willing,” etc., here’s the problem. Not all of them are willing to work, and all of them have entered our country illegally. This argument has nothing whatever to do with greed. It’s about national security. In fact, I’d argue this: if DT did nothing else for us but build the wall, he’d have nearly saved us from ruin, just on that count alone. Democracies only work with the right people voting, as the sad story of Egypt illustrated. If we import and naturalize 25 to 30 million democrat voters, it’s just over, Nicki. There’s nothing left to argue about.

          • Nicki Ann

            You do know that the drug cartels have underground tunnels and a wall will not stop them.

          • Winston Altamont

            Israel. Berlin.

          • Conservachique

            I’m afraid it’s going to be between Trump & Hillary..and then it scares me more when I see people say they are more afraid of Trump than Hillary, as you said. I’m not a Trump-supporter, but if it comes between Trump & Hillary, I’m voting for Trump. I’m definitely not going to do what evangelicals did in 2012 and NOT vote at all because although they didn’t like Obama, they didn’t like Romney because he was mormon. Romney would have supported our constitution and this war on Christianity that has risen under Obama would not be as severe.

            Now between Trump & Hillary, I look at it like this: Trump is a good businessman and I think his ego alone will drive him to get America on the right road as far as being less in debt & doing better job & business-wise. Right now we are not respected by other countries. On Bott Radio (Christian) I heard a Russian ex-spy being interviewed. Back in the cold-war era, he was a spy for Russia living here in America. He fell in love with the states & decided he wanted to stay. If he decided to stay, though, he would have been killed by Russia. He said he had to figure out a way to stay where they would not kill him; so he told them he had HIV. He said there were only 2 things Russia was scared of: HIV & Ronald Reagan. What he meant was, Russia didn’t know whether Reagan would follow-through with his threats or not—they thought he would. They respected him. Well, his point was Trump comes across as such that other countries would not push the U.S. around so much because they’d figure Trump would follow through with his threats. In that case, Trump would make for a safer America. Trump’s 4 children (3 grown) are hard-workers, very respectable, honor their father and families. That has to say something. Then on the Apprentice, which was about giving money to various charities, Trump often donated his own money to several charities throughout the show. I’m not trying to promote Trump, but I’m trying to point out, he’s not quite the monster the media is painting him. (Personally, I’d be more for Rick Santorum, Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, or even Mike Huckabee…but I’m trying to remain logical about Trump since it looks like he might be the Republican candidate.)

            Everyone, especially some Chrisitans, are centering on Trump’s blather and they are ignoring Hillary. I’m afraid people are blowing Trump out of proportion to where Hillary looks harmless and that is so far from the truth. Hillary is about power and lies. She will do like Obama & ignore the constitution and laws to get her way AND the media will cover for her because they are on the same liberal agenda. What kind of person would refuse Ambassador Stevens more protection in Benghazi when he asked for it over 600 times–because they were gun-running, giving guns to rebels in Libya hoping to topple Assad in Syria. Hillary & Obama did not want that exposed so they limited protection for our guys in Benghazi & on 9/11/12 FOUR of our citizens, one an Ambassador, got killed. Plus, it was just proven that we had planes ready to go & could have saved them–but again, Hillary & Obama didn’t want us to find out about their gun-running. It was right before his second election. It would have hurt him and it would have hurt Hillary’s campaign. They knew immediately it was a terrorist attack & she went on to blame it on a video. That is just one example of her horrible lies…all for politics.

            When Hillary was an attorney and represented a guy who brutally raped a 12 year old virgin girl, she protested him having to take a lie detector test. She said those tests were unreliable. The girl was raped so brutally by this man that she was in a coma for a while and she can never have children. Well, Hillary’s rapist client was forced to take the lie detector test and he passed it!! She was recorded and that woman LAUGHED at how ironic it was that her client passed the test and she got him off.

            Today Hillary says that if a woman accuses a man of rape, that she needs to be given the benefit of the doubt….and yet when that woman accused Bill of rape and others accused him of forcing himself on them, Hillary blamed the women, threatened some, and called them liars. Hillary is way more scary than Trump.

      • Ginklestinker

        Both those who suffer from Trumphobia and Hillaryhatred should stop and use their heads instead of their emotions. Which one will manage the finances best ? It’s the economy, …….!

        • Charity

          Gink: You sound like Trump and that is why many are frightened about the coming election, so much of the populace thinks like Donald Trump. The fact is that it is morality, that is what made America great, and failed morality is at the root of our economic problems. To address only the economy is to pull off the yellow dandelion heads and leave the root.

        • Liz Litts

          I am using my head-and that is why I support Dr. Ben Carson—you are duped by soundbites and big mouths that say nothing.

  • no_peace_without_Him

    Good article Owen. Voters need to be reminded that there is no peace without the Prince of Peace. One need look no further than the recent history of our country to see proof of that. The further we get from Him the greater the chaos erupting around us. We need a leader who knows from Whom peace is derived. As evidenced by his speech, Donald Trump does not know Him.

  • SJPublius

    As long as our pulpits are silent on these critical political and cultural issues, there is confusion among the faithful. The Christian support of Obama is evidence. Encourage your pastors to speak up – now is the time!

    • Nicki Ann

      Sadly, many in our pulpits are no more wise or biblical in these matters than those in the pews. One of our pastors has publicly supported Trump and I am absolutely horrified.

      • SJPublius

        Your experience is similar to mine and is a good example of how important it is to engage our pastors in respectful, reasonable discussions about these topics. it is easier said than done. I’ve done it a few times and had to force myself to keep it simple – on one issue at a time – and to focus on the core biblical or moral argument, rather than personal criticism. Truth is, our pastors are many time afraid of the repercussions – of the unpleasant criticisms and the risk of losing members, etc. We need to let them know we have their backs.

      • Jeanine

        You have a SMART pastor. He is looking at the values that concerns the nation, pro life, marriage is between a man and a women. That’s the issue. He is letting God take care of his heart with respect to repentance and forgiveness, And, you should also. Stop listening to the Media about Trump and who you THINK is good. Everything you need to know about TRUMP is exposed and that’s what makes it feel right. The fact that he is in a political battle for the President with other Repubs is of no effect.

        Everybody thought they knew Bill Cosby too, ummmm. God will bring all things into judgment even the secret thing whether Good or Evil. Ecclesiastes 12:14. Stop trying to think you know someones heart just because they are quieter or says things in a tone that is palatable to you. You don’t know the HEART only God does.

  • CrusaderImperial

    We’re now at a historical juncture to pick a person that will do the least amount of damage to our country. The US is a young country as compared to many of the countries of Europe, and greater countries have fared less well than us.

    God is no respecter of persons nor of our politics, and I do not fret when I see things unraveling because my citizenship is not of this world. The god of this world has blinded the minds of unbelievers and certainly lying prophets and false Christs will appear to deceive all. In Matthew 24, Jesus gives two commands – take heed that no man deceives you and to endure until the end. Period. I am not concerned with the unraveling world because Jesus Christ already said it would happen – and I don’t look for interpretations of signs apart from what scripture says. Period. We are commanded to preach the Gospel and love one another, which is why there is confusion among Christians.

    Keep another thing in mind when watching politics, mindlessly cheering soldiers and police, promoting politicians: the only difference between patriotism and tyranny is the date on the calendar. I had relatives that were called patriots that fought in WWII for Germany, the Civil War for the South, and Scotland for independence. were they on the wrong side of “right”?

    Watching historic movies from Germany in WWII shows crowds cheering columns of German soldiers, tanks, horsemen with the open hand salute. Most of them never heard of atrocities. Few knew that Hitler was crazy – he was just another person in power to improve the economy after WWI. Watching the police in Boston after the marathon made me wonder if we’re also on the wrong side of the calendar.

    • Brian Sanders

      Hitler’s support reminds me very much of Donald Trump’s support. I agree with much of what you wrote but I am not quite so pessimistic and believe the right president may steer us back towards our Judeo-Christian foundation and be a bit more than one who does the least harm.

      • CrusaderImperial

        I do come off as pessimistic sometimes. Sorry about that. If the choices are between Clinton and Trump, we are the the lesser of evils juncture. In 2008 I would have supported Clinton over Obama, and the GOP didn’t come up with a stellar opponent in 2012: Obama tapped technology and pulled millennial voters more effectively than McCain did. Steering us to a Christian foundation is the best option – I agree strongly with you.

  • Liz Litts

    Why is everyone jumping on the chump band wagon when we have Dr. Ben Carson? we are being jerked around by the media–or being led by the nose–Listen to Dr. Carson directly instead of the sound bites and don’t let them fool you into ignoring him.

  • Chris

    Trump was obviously talking about the dour look on Carly’s face which she can’t seem to lose. He even explained his remark, but the author can’t accept it. The rest of the article was full of falsehoods, exaggerations, and personal insults. Considering his opposition, I think I might give Trump another look.

  • O’Pinyon

    I was ready to vote for Cruz, but then I got on his email fund-raising list.
    Either he is dishonest or he is a poor manager, because several of the emails his campaign sent out were dishonest and manipulative.
    Here is one example:

    “And you embody the type of person we really need on our side to keep Ted’s momentum going.
    Your name keeps coming up in conversation, and I’m worried that because you
    haven’t officially joined the team that you might not have received my messages?
    Warmly,
    Heidi Cruz
    Cruz for President”
    Wed, Jan 13
    This is so similar to the senior-targeting junk mail my mom used to receive.
    If you want money, just ask for it.
    I don’t want 4 years of that kind of manipulative dishonesty.

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