James Robison: Governor, you and I obviously share concerns as Christians and as those many would consider shepherds. We are concerned about the future of freedom. You ran for president twice because of your concern and you served as governor of Arkansas for ten years and were effective. I am convinced that we are facing the possibility of losing freedom as we’ve known it. You and I believe that faith and family are critical to the future of freedom. Comment on that.

Mike Huckabee: The most basic form of government is the family. I think sometimes we forget God created the family before He created the institutions of either the church or secular government. It is the prime foundational unit of society in which we first learn how to behave. If it collapses, it’s like the foundation of the house collapsing. Everything built upon it will collapse.

Robison: In a fatherless nation, I think that’s one reason two individual testimonies stand out — mine and Ben Carson’s. Both of us grew up without a father in place and yet we met the ultimate Father. That’s where faith comes in. We met the heavenly Father in a personal relationship. That’s critical to the family because you might not have a stable home, but this is where faith connects us in a very meaningful personal relationship with God as our Father. There is hope for the fatherless. I believe the church should be revealing to the world what the Father looks like by behaving like the family of the ultimate Father. That’s something we’ve really got to pray about.

Huckabee: If we’re really followers of Christ, and God is our Father, then the greatest compliment is when people tell us, “You really do look like your spiritual, your heavenly Father. More importantly, you really act like your heavenly Father.” When that’s said of us, it’s the greatest indication that our faith is real.

Robison: I know we both agree that spiritual awakening is our hope and we do face the very real possibility of losing freedom. It looks like the nation is a powder keg right now. These riots could intensify to the point that there seems to be no safety anywhere. What do you think as one who governed well in one of the most divided states racially, where there was so much tension that it was the main face of the major news many times? You governed well there and you saw peace. You were popular with the minorities. What do you suggest today in light of what we face? It does look like it’s extremely dangerous.

Huckabee: It is dangerous. And one of the responsibilities of leaders is to use every resource possible to bring people together rather than keep them apart. When I became governor of Arkansas, a Republican in my state might get 3% of the African American vote. By the time of my reelection as governor, I got 48% of the African American vote. To my knowledge, no Republican white or black in any state of the country has ever done that.

People ask me, “How did you do it?” It’s all about something as simple as building relationships, keeping your word and showing that you have as much interest in people who didn’t vote for you as you do for the ones who did.

It’s not pandering, that’s always counterproductive, but showing true respect, building relationships, sitting down and understanding what the real concerns are in communities where we typically are not found on day to day basis.

Robison: You were governor for 10 years in a state that most people would have said was “Clinton Country.” Comment on what it’s like to work in “Clinton Country” and give me some of your impressions of Mrs. Clinton as a presidential candidate.

Huckabee: I lived in the political arena during a time when the “Clintonistas” (as I called them) occupied 90% of all elected and appointed offices in the state. I came into power with basically a super minority of people in my party, and of those, many of them were not bold enough to ever challenge the kind of overwhelming and heavy-handed majority that we faced. As a result, it was a very lonely time. Frankly, it was brutal and some of the things that were done were very petty.

Like the day that I was sworn in to be lieutenant governor of the state, the Clintonistas were so angry about it, so disgusted their hand-picked guy was defeated by this upstart Republican that Web Hubbell, who was working at the White House at the time, called back to the state capitol and gave an order to basically make my day miserable. The Secretary of State, Bill McCuen, who would later die in prison, nailed the door to my office shut from the inside. Literally nailed it shut. It stayed that way for my first 59 days as the duly elected lieutenant governor.

When people say, “How could they do that?” My answer is, “Who was there to stop them?” I was the only Republican in the capitol at that time, and the only one elected statewide. There was no one there on my side. All the Democrats thought it was incredibly funny. What I had to learn was not to fight the war on their level because I couldn’t win, I didn’t have the numbers. They always were going to win if this got down to the numbers. I had to win by getting the public on my side. By the public both beginning to believe that what was happening to me inside that capitol was what was happening to them in their communities, in their businesses and in their homes.

You asked about the Clintons specifically. Bill Clinton, despite all of his many policy differences, at least was a person that an individual could work with. I found him to be fairly accommodating during my time as a governor. Hillary is an ideologue. Bill Clinton is a pragmatist. He liked to govern. He liked to get things done. He was willing to accept that he wasn’t going to get his way and he was willing to compromise and negotiate, to come to an agreement even with things that weren’t his ideas because he wanted to be able to sign the bill and bring something to the table and say, “We accomplished it.”

Unlike Bill, Hillary is not a warm, fuzzy person who goes in and lights up the room and just makes everyone feel so very special. She can be very cold, very focused, and it’s very apparent she’s very doctrinaire in her policies. She doesn’t think she’s wrong and therefore she doesn’t want to negotiate or compromise. She wants you to bend to her way of thinking and she’ll use whatever means necessary to see that happen.

Robison: Do you think that what she’s displayed with the emails shows that she’s certainly not wise, but even dishonest?

Huckabee: It’s very clear she’s demonstrated outright dishonesty. She lied to Congress; she said that she only had one device. She had many. She said she had turned over all the information. She hadn’t. She said she was very careful and never turned over or let go a piece of classified information. That was not true. There were many pieces of information that were classified. So many things that she said were blatantly untrue.

I think what ought to be troubling to every voter is that if a person will so blatantly lie to you before they’re even elected, imagine how many more lies you’re going to be on the receiving end of when she’s in office and safely tucked away behind the voters’ opinion.

The thing that was so disturbing was the carelessness as was described by the FBI director. The carelessness with which she approached national security material was stunning. It was carelessness that never would have been tolerated even in a private first class. But to think of that kind of carelessness and cavalier attitude toward highly classified information that would be in the hands of the commander in chief is unthinkable. She essentially disqualified herself from having the nuclear codes.

When you’re dealing with people who are recklessly and carelessly indifferent about the handling of sensitive material in which people could die from the mishandling of that material, then it goes beyond the person simply being incompetent or looking foolish, it goes to a point that a person is dangerous for that job.