Hiking the Clouds, Part 1: What Is Mature Faith?

By Joël Malm Published on July 1, 2025

Joël and Rick Malm discuss Joël’s new book, Hiking the Clouds: The Seven Waypoints of Mature Faith, exploring the stages of spiritual growth. They challenge the idea of unwavering certainty in faith, emphasizing the importance of love and unconditional trust in God, even amidst uncertainty and doubt. The conversation delves into the Dunning-Kruger effect and the progressive nature of faith, offering a reflective, rather than prescriptive, approach to spiritual maturity.

Joël Malm is an author, speaker, podcaster, and leadership coach. Learn more about him at https://joelmalm.com.