Face to Face with the Prosecutor Who Came After Me

In this fascinating hour-long video, former career mafioso-turned born-again Christian interviews the man himself: Rudy Giuliani. More than 30 years ago, Giuliani was a U.S. attorney determined to take down all the crime families in New York, including the one for which Franzese worked. Once committed enemies, the two now share an open and friendly conversation about what took place in those investigations.

“I think it’s the first time I admire you very, very much, Michael,” Giuliani says. “The journey that you took is a journey many people should read about and follow. You were able to defy what a lot of people cynically say — that people can’t change. But you did change, and you’ve become an enormously valuable, contributing member of society, a real patriot.”

They also discuss the investigation Giuliani conducted on what both men refer to as “the Biden crime family.”

“Why do you give preemptive pardons to your entire family?” Franzese asks. “I believe the guy is treasonous. … Treason! In the old days, you’d die for that. Giving up your own country as president of the United States. There’s nothing worse than that, people.”