Dealing with Operators of Witchcraft

Rev. Rob Radosti joins Wanda Alger to assess the forces of darkness that Christians face. Radosti was raised as a Seventh Day Adventist before being lured into witchcraft and the occult as a young adult. He was set free after a dramatic conversion experience and now lives to share the Gospel with those who are lost in darkness. In this nine-minute clip from a longer interview, the two discuss how to confront darkness.

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00:00:00:15 – 00:00:22:15
So I’ve got to ask this because, you know, I get emails and I see it coming across Facebook at different times, probably more. I know with President Trump, people were all concerned because he’s witches are, you know, casting spells on him, whatever. And I’ve heard that in communities as well that, you know, all the intercessors are called together because there’s which is are there Satanists who are doing different things.

00:00:22:15 – 00:00:45:18
And it it puts this huge fierceness like they’re so powerful. So I love how you’re talking about, you know, these folks because you understand them. So help us to to have that same kind of approach and attitude, because we’re talking about human beings who are probably in the same kind of dilemma that you yourself were in. They’re lost, they’re confused, they’re walking in some kind of counterfeit power.

00:00:45:21 – 00:00:54:24
But how would you encourage, you know, spirit filled believers to approach, you know, people like that, whether or not they show up at a prayer meeting in the church or down the city street?

00:00:55:01 – 00:01:16:04
Sure. Well, and the reality is, you always have to, you know, you have to use caution and be be, sharp as serpents of a journalist. So, I mean, you do have to use, use caution, use discernment, you know, have things set in place where you’re not in a bad situation and that you can’t get out of in case there’s a, like, violence or something that breaks out.

00:01:16:06 – 00:01:37:16
But, you know, in my experience, I used to learn spells to put on people, like, if I didn’t like my girlfriend’s ex boyfriend, I, like I said, I’m going to put a spell on him because I felt out of control. And a lot of times when people are practicing these dark arts, they they feel out of control, and it’s their only way to try to feel like they’re in control of the situation.

00:01:37:17 – 00:02:03:09
Like, no, we have to make something happen. The thing is, the spiritual world is very real. But, anybody can tap into the spiritual world, really. I mean, because it’s not real. Anybody can learn. But the thing is, the glory of God, we’re we’re seated with him in heavenly places. That’s not just the spiritual world that is a step up and in that’s beyond that is where the source of all things comes from.

00:02:03:09 – 00:02:43:22
And so when people just because someone learns to manipulate spiritual energy, which is possible, and also I think witchcraft is, is just the same religious manipulation within, you know, where there’s abuse and all that’s all witchcraft. And so just because someone has learned how to manipulate, whether it’s manipulate spiritual energies or manipulate or tell demons to go do their bidding, which really is what I mean, the spells are, you know, in my, in my experience, we are seated in a whole different realm, not because we’re better than anybody, but because we’re seated with Christ in heavenly places.

00:02:43:22 – 00:03:01:20
And when it’s like we’re in him and He is in us, if we are hidden away in him, like the Bible says, hidden away with God in Christ, we’re hidden in him. Then if we’re hidden away, how can anything that doesn’t have authority to be in that hidden place get in there and grip us? You know what I mean?

00:03:02:01 – 00:03:35:19
It’s like. It’s like a baby in the womb. Is hidden away in that womb. Nothing has authority, you know what I mean? Like, it’s it’s in this. It’s in this protective shield. You know, where it’s getting nurtured, and it’s. And that’s like a cedar with Christ. Like we’re in. We’re in him, you know? And so when I think about all the tactics, the demons and devils try and all the things that people try to do to manipulate the spiritual realm to, to affect the natural, to affect, the things that God is trying to do.

00:03:35:22 – 00:03:59:07
It’s not even anywhere near and equal in my head. It’s it’s it doesn’t it? I mean, it’s, you know, they’re going to try. But the thing is, the enemy, has always had the same old tactics. It’s just they’re manufactured differently. They’re, they’re have a different sticker on them. But it’s the same old tactics, you know, just like you tempted Jesus with, he tempted Jesus with power.

00:03:59:12 – 00:04:24:11
You think giving Jesus all the kingdoms of the earth only meant political power? I mean, he’s probably trying to tempt Jesus with, like, you can use you can you can manipulate spiritual power for your own benefit. You know, you know, like to have authority over these kingdoms or whatever it might be. And so, remember Colossians chapter two, ten and 11, you know, actually here I’m going to I’ll go to it real quick because this, this is it’s foundational.

00:04:24:12 – 00:04:54:10
It’s extremely it’s extremely vital for us as believers, especially when we’re in warfare. It needs to be from the right side of the cross. A lot of times we’re doing warfare, like we’re out here somewhere, but we’re if we’re involved in a warfare, we’re hidden away in Christ. And so even though that warfare is happening, it’s in the context of this Colossians two ten In Christ you are complete and in his fullness, because he is the head of every principality and power.

00:04:54:12 – 00:05:14:22
And, oh, I love this so much. Colossians 211 in whom you are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, putting off the body of sins, the flesh, but the circumcision of Christ. So he’s cut away all that old stuff. We are complete in him. All that stuff has been stripped away of its power, and that is the place that we are operating from.

00:05:14:22 – 00:05:29:07
And it has nothing to do with our own righteousness in our own works. But living works are going to come out of that place. And these things, we can sit in the heavens and laugh with Father God.

00:05:29:09 – 00:05:45:21
Yeah, well, you know, my my takeaway here, what I’m hearing, Rob, is how important it is if we are really seated with him and if we dwell with him. I think about Psalm 91, you know, we we love reading through that whole psalm and all the promises of being sheltered with him in the Most High and the protection it affords.

00:05:45:21 – 00:06:18:14
But the prerequisite is in the very first verse, you know, we have to abide in that place with him. And when we learn to abide there and live from that place, there should be no fear. And to me that we know that’s the biggest weapon the enemy uses against us is fear. And so even back to my own question that I started with, you know, of dealing with witchcraft or those who are, you know, practicing the dark arts is to make sure first where we are seated and that we’re not operating from a place of fear.

00:06:18:15 – 00:06:40:09
We shouldn’t even be responding out of fear. And because I know to me that’s where I’ve seen it, even, you know, personally and even the places where I’ve been interceding for others, I’ve got to come with faith. So sometimes I’m not even ready to enter into intercession or doing anything until I take that time, make sure my heart is free from any fear.

00:06:40:14 – 00:07:00:18
Anxiety that I enter into this full of faith and confidence I am resting. I am full of peace because I know who I am, I know whose I am, and to me that’s that is the safest place to be. And it’s a good reminder as we deal with, I appreciate you saying the supernatural realm is real. Demons are real.

00:07:00:24 – 00:07:20:19
But we can’t get fascinated by them. That can be dangerous when, you know, in the deliverance ministry, we don’t want to make it a fascination, but we we recognize, know that they’ve come to steal, kill and destroy. Okay. Yeah. So we need to get rid of them. We have authority, but it does require us to continually watch over and guard our hearts.

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You know, to do that. So.

00:07:23:14 – 00:07:45:04
And I just want to say, you know, everybody just watch and meditate on Colossians two, like nine through 15 or 16 and, you know, get that deep in your spirit. There was a time, Wanda, where I was probably around 22, 2010. It was in 2010. I would I would I had a few conferences set up that were specifically centered around demonology, Nephilim, all that.

00:07:45:09 – 00:08:02:20
And the Lord spoke to me while I was teaching it. And he said, when this conference is done, don’t ever do it again. But I was like, whoa! It was kind of like a slap on the wrist. But I’m glad he did it because I was starting to go into these circles. You know where I mean, you can, you can, you can deeply hunger.

00:08:02:22 – 00:08:22:17
But the thing is, what we don’t realize is within him, you know, there is full satisfaction in every area that our spirit could ever want to grow in. You know, in him, it’s all there. And there’s an eternity of it. It’s never going to dry up. And so, so that’s really where I think the direction that we have to point ourselves.

00:08:22:17 – 00:08:44:20
And the other thing is fear. There’s a healthy place for for fear. But it’s the right kind of fear. It’s the fear of God. And so I have more fear of God, you know, than I do of man or of spells or of witches and all this stuff. Because I have this understanding that it’s only a matter of time before he gets them to just like he got me.

00:08:44:22 – 00:08:47:09
Yeah. Wow.

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By faith, you know, that’s that’s the we walk by faith and that’s that’s that’s what I’m declaring. So we.