By John Zmirak Published on August 16, 2017

Here’s a short quiz I’d like to see administered to every American. The results would be instructive. They’d reveal whether a person is an informed citizen who actually supports our system of government. Or just some schlump who happens to live here.

Which groups of American citizens, under the Constitution, may march publicly? Which may express their views without being forcibly silenced by counterdemonstrators using home-made flamethrowers:

a) White nationalists and right-wing anti-Semites.
b) ISIS supporters and Islamist anti-Semites.
c) Advocates of legalizing man-boy sexual relationships.
d) Advocates of legal abortion.
e) All of the above.

Which of the following makes someone’s views so repugnant that it’s okay, even admirable, for you to punch him for expressing it:

a) It really, really offends your sense of what’s good and decent.
b) It makes you feel that your group is threatened, politically, by his group.
c) It triggers you and makes you feel emotionally unsafe.
d) It could lead souls to eternal damnation.
e) None of the above.

When is it morally acceptable for citizens to attack public or private property and destroy statues or signs because they think they represent evil ideas:

a) When it honors someone from the past whom you judge guilty of racism.
b) When it represents a religion you think is oppressive to women and gays.
c) When it advertises abortion clinics, or pornographic materials.
d) When it constitutes an idol forbidden by the First Commandment.
e) None of the above.

The job of public authorities in dealing with public demonstrations is:

a) To silence views that are offensive or contrary to American values.
b) To protect the interests of historically disenfranchised groups against stronger groups.
c) To let both sides fight it out on the streets, then arrest just the members of the less politically popular or elite-connected group.
d) To promote the true religion and destroy false religions.
e) To allow everyone who is not directly threatening violence or advocating the forcible overthrow of the U.S. government to express his views, protected from vigilante censorship.

The greatest threat to free expression and public order in America today is:

a) White nationalists and neo-Nazis.
b) Radical leftists such as Antifa.
c) Sharia Muslims and Islamists.
d) Atheists and heretics.
e) Public authorities who selectively enforce the laws and allow groups of violent citizens to silence other citizens by force.

The American answer, in every case, is e). Any other answer, whatever the motive for offering it, is a step down the path to civil war.

How to Avoid the Spanish Civil War in America

I support the right of abortionists, white racists, ISIS supporters, and the North American Man Boy Love Association, to march down our country’s streets in public demonstrations. I will not go to New York City and tear down the street signs marking “Margaret Sanger Place,” honoring that eugenicist. Nor do I tear down subway ads or hack websites that provide abortion information. Nor do I believe in harassing, threatening, or terrorizing abortionists. Or pornographers. Or even liberal Jesuits.

I support the right of abortionists, white racists, ISIS supporters, and the North American Man Boy Love Association, to march down our country’s streets in public demonstrations.

Why? First for the very pragmatic reason that I don’t want them doing the same to me. There are millions of people in this divided country with radically opposed views of the Good. Many of them might find my views as repugnant as I find theirs. I don’t want them targeting me, so I won’t target them. That’s where it starts. With a recognition that first of all we need to keep the peace. From that we can move on upward to principled defense of people’s free speech rights based on their divinely-made human dignity. But the pragmatic argument should be enough.

A counter demonstrator uses a lighted spray can against a white nationalist demonstrator at the entrance to Lee Park in Charlottesville, Va., Saturday, Aug. 12, 2017. Gov. Terry McAuliffe declared a state of emergency and police dressed in riot gear ordered people to disperse after chaotic violent clashes between white nationalists and counter protestors. (AP Photo/Steve Helber)

A counter demonstrator uses a lighted spray can against a white nationalist demonstrator at the entrance to Lee Park in Charlottesville, Va., Saturday, Aug. 12, 2017. (AP Photo/Steve Helber)

Anarchy protects nobody’s rights, except those of the strongest. Following your moral outrage to the point where you will use violence is a great way to turn the United States into Libya, Syria, or Venezuela. There nobody is protected.

Or as I’d say to any leftist wearing a “Punch More Nazis” t-shirt: “Can I wear a shirt saying that about abortionists? They’re not just fantasizing about it. They’re actually killing people, every day.” Once we go down that road, there are no offramps. There’s no shoulder on that road. It leads with icy certainty to just one exit: civil war.

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  • Paul

    John, as you are pointing out with your quiz, govt is a party to the problem. The more that becomes institutionalized the more civil war becomes the solution. It’s the refreshing the tree of liberty that Jefferson foretold.

    • Hmmm…

      Local governments vary with their responses to this, you know? Which makes me think about it being more and more significant where the government or literally city stands where you live … maybe even worth a move if it is too entrenched contrary to one’s own stand. And, to get busy and make some stands and do some work in elections and information to change things as much as one can.

      • Paul

        I admit I have a warm spot for the Battle of Athens

  • “Antifa,” as the name implies, is anti-fascism. They oppose the sort of right-wing fascism typified by the neo-nazis and white nationalists who marched on Charlottesville. Anti-fascism has no leader, no website, no email address. They are not so much an organization as they are a shared revulsion for the kind of bullying white nationalism that Steve Bannon brought to the Trump administration.

    • WeNeedTruth

      Pure baloney. But, we appreciate the Soros-funded quick response! “Antifa” is a fascist organization that shuts down any speech they disagree with. Spend your Soros money for a dictionary, or better yet, do some research on all the riots they cause across the country.

    • Myth Buster

      True and well said.

      • Chip Crawford

        False and naively translated from some site, likely sponsored by the phoney Antifa’s leftist landlords.

    • Patmos

      “white nationalism that Steve Bannon brought”

      Multiple fact checking organizations have debunked this. Might want to stop your cherry picking, especially when your cherries are rotten.

      • Myth Buster

        it took you that long to post the comment? Wrong. “Multiple fact checking organizations have debunked this.” LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Myth Buster

    I don’t believe no one questioning the right of the Ratzis to publicly march. They have 1st Amendment Rights of Free Speech. They also got a permit to march and then violated that permit by marching off their prescribed rout. They came to clearly incite others to violence and are now trying to play a victim card. The issue is also whether it’s intelligent/morally correct for the US President to give lip service to the Ratzis and KKK. These organizations do not have the same moral equivalency of the anti-fascist protesters. Their history and ideology is very clear. Sorry, but anyone with a basic understanding of world history couldn’t justify a moral equivalency assertion.

    • Patmos

      “They came to clearly incite others to violence”

      No evidence of that.

      “US President to give lip service to the Ratzis and KKK”

      Condemning is now lip service?

      • Myth Buster

        They came with clubs, shields and weapons. Trump condemned them and then put them on the same moral level.

        • Patmos

          So anyone carrying a weapon is inciting violence? Not a real bright one are you?

          • Myth Buster

            Smarter then you.

          • Patmos

            “Smarter then you.”

            Lol, it’s “than” genius. Thanks for a good laugh.

          • Myth Buster

            You type like an uneducated white Trump supporter. I bet your a high school grad at best, right? Stupid and WHITE.

          • Patmos

            And the frustration sets in, with the realization of defeat. Keep on bustin’ those myths!

          • Myth Buster

            You’ve got some real right wing uneducated and unfulfilled delusions of grandeur. An idiot in the WH that can’t get anything past, several hundred idiots walking around with Confederate flags (losers in 1865) and you call that a victory! LOL!!!!!!!!!!!

          • WeNeedTruth

            How old are you, twelve? Knock off the sophomoric “LOL!!!!!” Please remember you’re speaking with adults (Please also note, it’s “you’re,” not “your.” Who is the stupid one? Oh, and since you like the caps lock, I’m not WHITE.)

          • Myth Buster

            Then act like you educated and show a moral compass. Or, supporting Ratzis and KKK is your speed?

          • Hmmm…

            Oh no, another grammar error … Ok, Mthy, maybe you should avoid the uneducated line for a while, you know, just until you yourself can study up some …
            P.S. LOLLLLLL !!!!!!

          • Myth Buster

            Wrong again, sparky. I didn’t say “OK” that was your right wing buddy WeNeedTruth.

          • Hmmm…

            Wow, how you struggle. No one said anything about OK. Are you going to be defensive all your life about everything? It’s getting old sparky.

          • Myth Buster

            Oh, how you deflect.

          • Hmmm…

            God bless you.

          • WeNeedTruth

            “Act like you educated….” OK. I’ll type slower so that you can understand. I’ll put my moral compass up against yours any day of the week. I deplore violence of all kinds. I deplore anyone who incites riots by their phony “protests.” I hate racists (people like you). I hate the people who pay you to post because they are purposely trying to divide Americans. I hate all the Democrat KKK members (like Robert Byrd) that belong with the racist pile of trash that eagerly points fingers at anyone who doesn’t think like them (including you). Is that educated enough?

          • Myth Buster

            “I hate all the Democrat KKK members…” Sure. Now that’s an intelligent comment.

          • Dean Bruckner

            you’re

          • Myth Buster

            It would actual be “you’re uneducated and …. “

          • Dean Bruckner

            actually

          • Hmmm…

            Oh no, another grammar error … Ok, Mthy, maybe you should avoid the uneducated line for a while, you know, just until you yourself can study up some …

          • Hmmm…

            Oh, excuse, but maybe an educated person like you would want to know that it’s not “past” but “passed” to fit the way you are using the word. Sorry, I realize that may yield a stream of abuse, but you folks just can’t help that, can you? Bless your heart anyway.

          • Myth Buster

            Still can’t get the legislation passed. LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • Dean Bruckner

            passed

          • Dean Bruckner

            “you’re”

          • Myth Buster

            Wrong again “you’re is a conduction for you are. It’s “you type” not “you’re type”. LOL!!! Are you a tea party kind of guy from from Alabama?

          • Hmmm…

            “I bet your” – wrong: You used the possessive form. I bet you are, so you’re a high school … etc. That’s the one he spotted, as I did too, not the “You type” usage. They were just mounting up so fast, just dealt with a few. It’s also a contraction, not conduction. It’s best when living in a glass house of not the strongest grammar (it’s ok; you have other strong areas I am sure), but don’t throw stones by calling people uneducated and slurring them on that. You know?

          • Myth Buster

            “You type like an uneducated white Trump supporter.”is proper English. Sorry. You might not like reading it, but it’s grammatically correct, nevertheless.

          • Hmmm…

            That’s not the part he corrected, and I think you know that. Let’s not play games here. We don’t have to put up with that.

          • Paul

            “You type like an uneducated white Trump supporter.” It’ss proper English. Sorry. You might not like reading it, but it’s grammatically correct, nevertheless.

            [facepalm]

          • Myth Buster

            Typo, stupid. You’re the one supporting the KKK. No brains in that move.

          • Paul

            I invite you to show us all my support of the KKK. Good luck with that.

          • Myth Buster

            You’ve arguing on their behalf. Or are you just a troll that butts into a conversation with no purpose other than to disrupt? Grow some spine. Either defend them like a man or just go away. “I invite you to show us all my support of the KKK.”

          • Paul

            I must admit you have a fertile imagination. What’s the next lie you will toss out there?

          • Myth Buster

            I must admit you’re highly immature. What’s the next conversation you’ll pointlessly butt into and make no cognitive point?

          • Paul

            Oh did I interrupt your rant? No one noticed.

          • Myth Buster

            No, now its time to leave your trail trail of ignorant of douche-piss. Find a friend. Bye.

          • Dean Bruckner

            It’s

          • Paul

            “I bet your a high school grad at best, right? ”

            And to think you’re the one claiming greater intelligence and education. LOL

          • Myth Buster

            Oh – you finally got me. Very good, Grasshopper.

          • Paul

            No, you made yourself look like a complete moron, I simply helped you see it.

          • Myth Buster

            Oh, my mistake that was you that said “OK” for okay. Let me put this another way. Who is the idiot defending the Ratzis and the KKK? Not me. I wouldn’t do something that moronic or that immature.

          • Paul

            That’s your best retort? A feeble grammar police effort followed by a flat out lie? You really need some new material.

          • Myth Buster

            You’re the one supporting the KKK. No brains in that move. Feeble minded follower. Did you carry the goofy tiki torch or the Confederate Flag? You really need get a life.

          • Paul

            LOL, you are coming fully unhinged.

          • Myth Buster

            You’re the one defending Ratzis and the KKK and calling me “fully unhinged.” LOL!!!!!!!!! Wow!

          • Paul

            Next you’ll be claiming I beat baby seals and puppies. You are good for comic relief.

          • Myth Buster

            I have zero zero patience for your type of immaturity. Just deflection.

          • Paul

            Speaking of deflection, we are all still waiting for you to substantiate your lie that I support the KKK. Your repeated parroting of nonsense doesn’t make it so. We patiently await your proof and will need it because you have zero evidence, just mindless mudslinging rants from an unhinged liberal shill.

          • Myth Buster

            No, now its time to leave your trail trail of ignorant of douche-piss. Find a friend. I have no more time to wast. Bye.

          • Paul

            I see, you don’t want to waste any time on providing evidence to substantiate your lies. Got it. Have a nice day.

          • Dean Bruckner

            it’s
            waste

          • Phil Steinacker

            You keep making your unsupportable claim, without submitting any evidence. You mean because no one here wants to play stupid word games with the stupid leftist troll?

            We’ve all seen the MO at work here and elsewhere, and see no reason to encourage further time-wasting stupidity on your part.

          • Dean Bruckner

            need to get

          • Phil Steinacker

            He IS stupid, isn’t he?

          • Dean Bruckner

            “You type like an uneducated white Trump supporter. I bet your a high school grad at best, right? Stupid and WHITE.”

            “your” should be “you’re.”

          • Myth Buster

            No, one doesn’t say, “You are type like a Trump supporter.” You’re is a contraction, two words made shorter. This should have been covered in an 8th Grade English Class. Now go away.

          • Jim Walker

            LOL…

      • Paul

        Interesting thing about the claim of inciting violence, apparently the counter protesters had absolutely no control over their own actions. As if others saying something deemed offensive is grounds for a violent response.

        Daring someone to hit you isn’t inciting violence.

      • Jim Walker

        You’re feeding the troll too much.

  • Patmos

    The stand down order given to the police was a dead give away. They wanted violence to break out, knowing they could then point to the extreme views of that small minority as justification. It’s an advanced tactic, probably brought out because the whole “call the other guy a bigot without any sort of justification” wasn’t working like they had hoped.

    • Myth Buster

      LOL!!!!!!! “… the whole “call the other guy a bigot without any sort of justification” wasn’t working…” What? So calling Ratzies and KKK bigots isn’t true? Now that’s a new leap of logic.

      • Patmos

        So when you play chess, you see just one move ahead? Or maybe you just smash the board and scatter the pieces because the game is beyond your understanding and it frustrates you.

        • Myth Buster

          Nice deflective comment that doesn’t address the issue.

          • Patmos

            Sure it does. I was clearly speaking about the greater picture, whereas you probably can’t even see your own nose.

          • Myth Buster

            Oh, the greater picture and you ignore these groups history and ideology. LOL!!!!!!! Good try!

          • Hmmm…

            Here we go again, Patmos. The deflecting accusation again, trite and untrue all the way through.

          • Myth Buster

            Stay on topic then.

          • Hmmm…

            The deflecting False accusation, trite and untrue.
            It took you allllll that time to come up with a response …
            Oh well … the life of a troll is kind of hard, it would seem …

          • Myth Buster

            An adult commentator gets to the point – trolls deflect and are evasive.

          • Hmmm…

            I know; they shouldn’t do that!! Um, um. I hope you will really watch yourself on that. I’m a regular here, thank you, home away from home sometimes. I am for the premise of the site and most of what is put forth, and am learning how to debate well, fairly, without getting ticked at folks like you, but that’s my deal to deal with. Got that bossy! I know you’ve got plenty to tend to on your own side.

          • Myth Buster

            Well you also play a game of selective outrage. It seems to not bother you when a right winger gets rude first, but when they get slammed back in the process, you do the immature choosy indignation game and also try taking the moral high ground. Does that fool many people?

            Well, let’s get to the point and back onto the theme of the discussion. I asked the question above, “So calling Ratzies and KKK bigots isn’t true? Now that’s a new leap of logic” three hours again and have not received a right-wing answer. Just deflection. Do you know what deflection means? if you do but the big boy pants on and answer the question.

          • Hmmm…

            Don’t have time to spoon feed all obvious information to you mythy. You’ll need to come up to speed on some things for yourself. Of course those groups are bigoted.

          • Myth Buster

            More deflection. I’m guessing you mentally can’t do it.

            I’ve got to ask were you the clown carrying one of the goofy little Ratzi tiKi torches or the Confederate Flag. LOL!!! Now that was an intelligent thing to do.

            I also noticed they were saying “Blood and Soil”. I bet more than half of them had absolutely no idea what that meant. Why don’t you tell us? I bet you can’t tell us this too. Now this should be interesting….

          • Hmmm…

            This is all hate speech.

          • Myth Buster

            Get a life, Hmm.

          • Dean Bruckner

            Soil.”

          • Myth Buster

            Yes, “blood and soil” chant.

          • Dean Bruckner

            If
            put

          • Myth Buster

            Yes, “if” and “put”. You should quit while you’re behind. The English language is obviously not your forte. Now look up the meaning of the last word.

          • Dean Bruckner

            “forte” is Italian.

            If you can’t stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen. — Harry Truman

          • Dean Bruckner

            put.”

          • Myth Buster

            I was quoting the word not parts of the sentence included. Sorry, the English language has rules and variances based on what is trying to be achieved.

          • Dean Bruckner

            The period comes before the closing quotation mark. Punctuation.

          • Myth Buster

            No, the period can come before or after, depending on what exactly is being quoted. Sorry.

          • Dean Bruckner

            group’s

          • Myth Buster

            Actually groups’ (plural)

          • Dean Bruckner

            Congrats…you’re right. Blind squirrel, meet nut!

          • Myth Buster

            The Ox Is Slow, But The Earth Is Patient.

  • timeout31

    This article should be sent to every politicians, and talking head in Washington DC and probably most pulpits!

  • Paul

    John, what’s with the shifting article titles?

    • Hmmm…

      The shift is very intuitive imho, that point being so key. I pray the Justice Department – remember their investigation? – will reflect Secretary Sessions’ bulldog character and yield salient facts and details to expose the false flag of Antifas and, remember, BLM was on board in some number, and whoever else came with a bag of tricks and played them. That crowd is all used to slight to nil oversight.

    • Zmirak

      Out of my hands. It’s a social media thing–alternate titles displayed throughout the day. Apparently it adds niacin to your diet or something.

      • Paul

        Stream has no control over their own article titles? Odd

        • Stream editors can write alternate titles to articles. Software sees which ones get clicked the most, and publishes those titles more.

          • Paul

            Ah, A-B testing, thanks for clarifying.

          • Jim Walker

            Too much AI is not good for the human race 🙂

  • BTP

    This is the only path forward. I don’t think another is possible. People should begin thinking what that looks like.

  • Mensa Member

    I wish The Stream would stop re-running that one picture of the black guy

    There are literally HUNDRED of photos of “Unite the Right” protesters with some sort of weapon. But you keep running the one of the black guy.

    It’s misinforms.

    It reminds me of after 9/11. The media kept running that one video of celebrating Palestians on a constant loop. It left a misimpression to the point that no less than Donald Trump thought he saw Muslims partying on the rooftops of New Jersey.

    • Paul

      “But cosnervatives keep running the one photo of the black guy.”

      Maybe I missed it but I’ve never seen that photo at CNNs website.

    • Andrew Mason

      What Black guy, and why does one photo in particular matter?

    • Chip Crawford

      Life doesn’t always paint the picture you have. Could be you have the wrong one. Why are you so eager to perpetuate yours? Threatened by depictions that challenge your own prejudice?

    • Michael Gore

      “If “The Stream” needs some photos, Google: “White Supremacists Beat Black Man With Poles in Charlottesville, Va., Parking Garage””
      What sense does this make, nobody here is applauding or support the White supremacists or what happened in that incident. It seems willfully dishonest of leftists to try to make that claim, and it’s not support of them to point out that the other side of that conflict has issues as well. Why are the “anti-fascists” trying so hard to act like fascists these days?

    • Christine Wright

      Hello. I have a simple statement. Hundreds of photos of violent armed unite the right Nazis Hundreds of pictures you say… What then does it say, when Antifa showed up with ball bats, tear gas, Kevlar, helmets on, shields.. and attacked this “armed” “violent” group, did not even one person get shot? Which group then, was the violent one? If these armed people allowed themselves to be attacked without shooting anyone? Sorry.. I call foul on your hundreds of photos, or on the current meme that the group was violent.

  • Christine Wright

    Very well written article.. thank you.

  • Jennifer

    “Or even liberal Jesuits,” oh my gosh love this, Thank you Mr. Zmirak!

  • Jon Washburn

    It’s interesting that Zmirak ends with a paragraph that talks about both abortion and civil war. Read Lincoln’s Second Inaugural Address. Basically, it says that the civil war was God’s judgment for allowing slavery. Of particular grim note, Lincoln stated that the scourge of war would not pass until all blood shed during slavery was equally shed during the war, and all money earned from slavery was wasted on the war. Think about how much innocent blood, and ill-gotten wealth is associated with abortion. The second civil war is going to make the first civil war look like a weekend at Club Med!

  • Roodog

    The only fatality at Charlottesville was a white woman whose only offense may have been to shoot off her mouth.
    I see no record in any news outlet that she had any kind of weapon.

    • Roodog

      Radical causes, such as Nazism and Communism need martyrs.
      This woman will be added to the Left’s pantheon of martyrs and saints.

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