An Appeal to the Teachers and Prophets

The only way we are going to learn the truth and grow from all the ministry exposures taking place right now is to listen to each other and weigh all the evidence. No one has a corner on the market of God — not any teacher, and not any prophet (or evangelist, pastor, or apostle!). It’s time we get out of our comfort zones and let iron sharpen iron. Join Wanda Alger as she discusses this topic in this 45-minute video.

Wanda Alger is an ordained and commissioned fivefold leader who has been in ministry for more than 35 years and is passionate about interpreting life from Heaven’s perspective. She is called to speak to the Body of Christ about the mountain of government, godly leadership, and Kingdom authority. Her blogs, videos, books, and other resources are available at wandaalger.me.

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These are serious allegations and some of them are more clear than others. But I am appealing to everyone of the bigger picture that in this process, the Holy Spirit is wanting us to find truth together, and that we need everyone to be a part of this conversation and even opposing voices, the people that we normally might not listen to.

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This process, not only in the church, but even what’s happened in the nation. It has caused everyone one to examine what we believe and why it’s been good. But it means we’re all changing. Let’s give space for that change. Let’s give room for those conversations we’ve.

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Today, I want to share with you an article that I just posted on my website at one to Andrew Dot me. It is an appeal to the teachers and the prophets in this time of ministry exposures, and as more and more names come out. I’m finding myself in this, unusual position. I have never intended to be an exposure channel, but where my heart really is at is to be a bridge builder, really bringing the body of Christ together.

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This has always been my church from the Lord is as a prophetic voice to the body of Christ, and especially at a time when there is so much unrest and there’s a lot of, mistrust and there’s a lot being exposed of sin in the camp. We need clarity, but we need each other. And this is what I’m seeing.

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And so I’m going to read to you, the article that I wrote with some commentary, because my appeal is there are many different sides to any one story. And we want to get to the truth. The whole purpose of these exposures is to find out what’s true. And you’re never going to find that out through just one person.

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It’s going to take a multiple of witnesses, and different kinds of voices coming together, because it’s not just about even exposing, compromised leaders or walls. We’re in the rebuilding process as well. God’s clearing his house because he’s wanting to reestablish, to rebuild. I mean, those of you who have followed me, you know, this is my heart, and this is what I talk about, is coming together and finding what is the truth and hearing each other out.

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So especially for you who are following these stories, who are watching, to maybe expand your thinking. Not maybe we all need to expand our thinking. We need to get beyond our, pet doctrines, our pet beliefs, even our favorite leaders. And I’m going to challenge you as I share this. Be willing to go outside your comfort zone right now.

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That’s the only way we’re going to find the truth. We have to be willing to go outside what we deem familiar or even our preference personally. We have to be willing to listen to other voices. We have to be willing to even listen to arguments that we can weigh the allegations. We can weigh what is being said. That’s the only way that we’re going to grow through this.

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So it’s not easy for anybody. It’s not just a matter of throwing it out there and putting up a video clip or two. It’s a matter of, okay, what is God reestablishing that we’re going to have all have some solid foundations to stand on for the days ahead. With that, I’m just going to start reading and sharing as we go.

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Okay. As more leaders within the charismatic camp are being charged with abuse of leadership, both spiritual and otherwise, those who are strong and teaching gifts are speaking out. Seeing the doctrinal errors and scriptural mishandling from some of these mega ministers. Those who are gifted in the teaching of the word are voicing their concerns about the spiritual malpractices. And as a prophetic voice in the body of Christ, I found myself drawn to several of these teachers in recent months.

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The exposures have revealed some glaring deficiencies in sound doctrine concerning the operation of spiritual gifts, as well as the utter lack of accountability for some of these spiritual leaders and mega ministries. I believe that God is bringing his attention and his teachers forward during this time of an examination and exposure, and I think we need to pay attention.

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And so this is what I want to call your attention to, is some of these gifted teachers that I see the Lord bringing forward. And I’m going to name some examples. Obviously, there’s going to be more the remnant radio. Those three guys, Michael Miller, Michael Roundtree and Josh Lewis, I’ve been watching their channel recently. Now.

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These are all teachers, and they are all full time pastors in local congregations who believe in the operation of the spiritual gifts. Okay. So that right there is a big one for me. Now, unlike some well known secessionist teachers, and I’ll cite actually three that they had cited not long ago. Chris. Rose Brough, Steven Kosar and Justin Peters.

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I am familiar with him. Those are all guys that don’t believe in the practicing of the spiritual gifts. And they too have been doing exposures and of course, are jumping on the bandwagon and some of the prophets being called out, or the power evangelists because they don’t believe in those gifts anyway. So what an opportune time to emphasize, their particular brand of cessation ism.

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Well, the remnant radio guys, they are open to the supernatural realm and things that can’t always be explained. And so I appreciate their candor and willingness to share their own experiences, both good and bad. And they’ve consistently shown themselves to be open to correction, which is huge. And I believe that that’s one of the reasons they have garnered such a large following there on their channel, not only because they’re really good at just taking apart these issues and really looking at what does the Scripture teach, but they are open to ongoing growth themselves and examining what they believe and why.

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That’s really healthy. Now, Mike winger is also another popular Bible teacher. He’s got over 800,000 subscribers on his, YouTube channel, and he is well known for his thorough research, and he’s committed to scriptural integrity. And he, too, has recently begun to expose some leaders. The most recent one was Hard Wired, and I’ll reference that at the end.

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And he announced that this year there’s going to be more to come. And though Mike has traditionally been fairly harsh with anything prophetic or the supernatural, he states that he is open to the spiritual gifts. And I see that he walks in a genuine fear of the Lord. And to be honest, previously I may have dismissed his analysis of anything, concerning the prophetic, but given the season that we are in, I really want to hear him out.

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I’ve seen that he’s he’s not one to just put out clickbait, content. And he’s committed to hearing every side of the story and it’s evident by what he’s posted on his channels and even on his other social media platforms. He really feels a mandate of the Lord in this, and he’s addressing some very legitimate concerns. And I really appreciated the research that he does and the biblical basis that, you know, where he goes and he’s committed to hearing every side of the story.

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And that too. I really appreciate he doesn’t have any bones to pick with any individuals. He’s actually very open. So because of that, I want to listen to him. Okay. I, I haven’t been following him, but again, the Lord has been highlighting these particular teachers and really calling, I believe, the body of Christ. Listen, pay attention, because right now we have to examine our doctrines.

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Let’s face it, there are some doctrinal practices in the charismatic camp that some of them just need to be thrown out. They are doctrines of men, but some of them, they need some tweaking, they need some adjusting. And so this is why Jesus has given to the church teachers. Okay? Is one of the fivefold gifts we need.

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Teachers. All right. So, you know, these are just a few. Obviously there’s many more. It’s just these are the ones that I was drawn to. We need the teachers right now. And even though I’ll be, I’ll be honest, if you’re more prophetically wired, it’s very easy, perhaps, to be somewhat offended by some of their arguments. It’s probably one reason why, you know, in years past, I really haven’t been prone to watch them, because they can be pretty, you know, straight laced about anything prophetic or supernatural or subjective.

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They they base it on scriptures. But see, my appeal is we need to hear them out right now. We really need the teachers. We need to be willing to be examined and yes, even challenged. I believe that they have something that’s much needed in the body of Christ right now. Okay, but there’s a catch to all of this.

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All right. As much as prophets need to carefully examine our encounters and revelations with scriptural integrity, teachers must view their doctrines through eyes of faith with a personal belief in the supernatural. And as much as the prophetic movement needs to evaluate some of its faith practices and messaging that have gotten off track, so must those who teach be willing to go where their understanding, their human understanding, can’t reach, and their arguments don’t work.

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Yes, we need to be grounded in the word, but without faith in things unseen, we will only be bound to rules that carry no power. If we focus solely on the letter of the law, we will totally miss the spirit of the law without a common conviction. In both the necessity of His Word and the power of His Spirit, we’re going to miss the fullness of God’s truth that he wants to reveal right now.

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And see this is this is really the challenge is can we who are more prophetically leaned, you know, in the subjective, experiential part of revelation, can we allow for the teachers who are going to challenge us, of our scriptural basis? And what’s this for? Where does it fit? You know, are we saying it right? I mean, depending on who you listen to, you can you can feel like you’re afraid to say or do anything.

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But at the same time, if it’s truth, is truth and we need to be willing to examine it to look at, okay, how how can I grow and learn from this? In like manner, the teachers need to be open because they’re not going to be able to explain everything. There will always be a mystery, okay, in the supernatural God, and things are not going to make sense.

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So I go on in the article and I say personally, I find myself somewhere in the middle of these conversations, okay? Because I operate in both both sides, my prophetic gifting, it compels me to believe in things that I can’t see and I can’t explain. I’ve experienced too much and I love revelation and I refuse to be yoked to some physical yoke that insists that I have to prove my experience.

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And I don’t want that. And yet, my teaching gift that does kind of pull me out of the clouds. It pulls me out of that experiential realm. It reminds me I’ve got to be rightly anchored because it’s not a matter of believing in the extraordinary, but it’s knowing where to place its importance. Supernatural experiences should never create doctrines, and this is what has happened.

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Our supernatural, subjective experiences have ended up form you, leading these manmade faith practices and doctrines that are not scripturally based, but a solid biblical foundation should never chain or lock up the supernatural where it limits us in believing that anything is possible. The supernatural realm exists. God is outside our comfort zone. God’s word is alive and active. It is not merely a book of laws to keep us accountable.

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The living Word, remember, is a person. He came to show us what was possible, but also to anticipate what is impossible. And it’s the tension between these two that we must embrace as necessary as well as for our good. I believe the teachers that God’s favor will rest upon in this season are those who are truly open to the supernatural realm and the mystery it contains.

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They have to be okay with not explaining everything. They will have open hearts as well as open minds, and pursue this in their own personal walk before presuming to know what’s right for others. You know this is one thing that I really appreciate about the remnant radio guys, because they share of their experiences in operating in the spiritual gifts.

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They share the things that they can’t explain. They don’t they don’t know that’s really healthy. That’s what I would love to see from some of these other teachers who claim that they’re open to the gifts. Well, okay, let’s hear of your personal experience, because let me just tell you, if you are a teacher and you’re listening to this, if you want to win the profits over are those who are more subjective, the very people that you want to correct.

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Okay. Hopefully you want to you want to win them over right? The more that you share that this is a desire of yours too, because the Apostle Paul said earnestly desired the spiritual gifts. How have you been doing that personally? What have you experienced? Have you had any supernatural encounter? I mean, this is part of the problem, is that some of the harshest teachings that I’ve heard against the supernatural come from people that I’ve never even heard them, share a personal testimony of being touched by Holy Spirit.

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And so. Okay, there’s a disconnect here, because I want to draw from someone that that’s on a similar journey in believing that we serve a supernatural God who is real and tangible. He wants us to know him and yes, to experience him. And so those are the kinds of teachers that God is drawing out and that he’s going to bless.

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Okay. And you’re going to see a favor upon those teachers who really are on this walk themselves. It’s not just about getting clicks on their on their channels, but it’s coming out of the overflow of their own journey and walk with the Lord that they’ve come to realize there is power in the spirit. I want to learn. I want to grow.

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This is going to be so important. But likewise the profits. Okay, the the God is drawing forward because of the the adjustments that need to be made. The profits, they need to be willing to be corrected. I can tell you, in the last couple of months, I’ve been watching more of the teachers. I’ve really been challenged in a good way because it is called me back again to be more careful in in my presentation, in my preparation, because I can tend to be very spontaneous.

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Okay. And so much revelation focused that, that I just haven’t taken the time that, that I know I can and I should to really be grounded in a way that’s clear. Now, I know for those of you who follow me, you’ve understood and you’ve appreciated. I always bring Scripture to the table because that’s always been my heart.

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I want to have integrity according to the Word of God. But I realize that in some areas I could tighten up things a bit. And so this has been good for me. I’ve had to examine, you know, my my own, experiences, my own encounters, their purpose, their place. And you have to be determined not to be offended.

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And this is this goes for all of us. We cannot be offended by those who think differently than us. If we’re really going to grow through this, then we have to be. We’re all going to have to change. We’re all going to have to assess our beliefs and how we share them. Because of our pursuit for both the word and the spirit, both truth and power.

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Okay, so in the article, I said, the profits that God will use in this hour will be those who are willing to be corrected. They are those who determined to not be offended and who care more about the health of the entire body than just the proof of their own experience. I put that in there, because there can be the tendency for those in the prophetic camp who have had these experiences to feel like we have to defend the work of the Holy Spirit.

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And I just I’m continually reminded the Holy Spirit does not need to be defended. Okay. I want to share the experiences that I have because, I mean, an experience and an encounter, you know, is your own. Okay. Now, what you do with it and what you expect others to do with it, can be huge. So here, both the teachers and the prophets, we’re going to have to adjust in this journey.

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I believe that the Lord wants us to work together to hear each other out. Those prophets who are being called out for various things, okay. Who who are listening and saying, you know what, I need to tighten up on some things. Now, I’m not talking about some of the sexual misconduct and outright, immorality and long term abuses.

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Okay, that that’s a different category, but I’m even just speaking in general terms about even prophetically gifted people or emerging prophetic leaders. We should be learning in all of this of how we can do better, how we can be more grounded in Scripture, but yet filled with hearts, full of faith. Okay, to believe in anything but one of the marks that I see that that the Lord is highlighting in those that he is using, is humility and walking in the fear of the Lord.

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It is those who are truly humble of heart. They can that can do this, that are in a position for this correction that’s needed. And I think that’s why I’ve been drawn to particular voices, not just teachers, but also prophets. It’s those who really have exhibited a humility of heart. They realize they are on a journey and they’re open to correction.

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They’re open to adjustment, they’re listening. They’re not just putting out there what they think, but they’re willing to get feedback. That is huge right now. I want you to pay attention to who you’re following and who you’re listening to, because if it’s all a one sided conversation, it might not be that they’re saying anything wrong or bad, but because of the purpose of this season in bringing some adjustments for everybody, it’s requiring all of us to listen to each other and examine it a way it I mean, the the Scripture, the Word of God, that is the foundation base.

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But face it, we need the revelation of the Lord. We need revelation by the Holy Spirit. I actually just, I just got used to ChatGPT and I’m beginning to use it. Oh my goodness, what what a research tool. I was asking it some information about how the apostle Paul and the early disciples, how they balanced, you know, doctrine based upon Scripture and doctrine by revelation.

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Wow. I was amazed at all the notes that I got back. I hopefully I can write it down sometime and share it with you because it was so powerful of how much revelation must be a part of this journey. It’s in Scripture. So I go on to say, ultimately, these ministry exposures are not under themselves. I’ve kind of been getting ahead of myself.

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This is not just about recognizing sin in the camp, but uncovering unbelief and a spirit of pride amongst any and all who claim to be called and gifted by God. See, in the midst of these conversations, you know, I referenced the cessation as teachers earlier, and there are, you know, plenty, who are putting out their own content, you know, disavowing anybody that claims to have a prophetic gift because they don’t even believe in the gifts.

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Okay, well, those voices are going to be very limited. They’re they’re they’re they are good researchers. I’ll give them that. Okay. Because they’re going by the letter of the law. And so they are generally given to really good research. Okay. Well, I’ll use their research. I’m not going to reach the same conclusion that they are, but I’ll listen to the research.

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Okay. But they they can spread a lot of unbelief. That’s how the enemy is entering in and trying to hijack the conversations. Know what we need. We need faith, the faith of God. We need faith in a super natural God that we can’t understand or comprehend. I mean, this is the tension that we’re going to have to get used to.

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Is both, you know, getting anchored in the word of God, but realizing there’s certain things we’re not going to be able to proof. Text. Okay, I really believe the Lord is calling us to humble ourselves and to walk through this together, to humble ourselves before each other the other day. Another thing you I pay attention to is you know who on the channels are inviting others into their conversation.

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You know, I know, and this is even just been in the last year Bible teachers interview other Bible teachers. Prophets interview other prophets. You know, because you speak the same language, you know, and you want to compare notes. I think we need to cross-pollinate, folks. I think the teachers need to be inviting the prophets, and the prophets need to be inviting in the teachers, because we need to hear each other’s hearts.

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I mean, this is so important right now, and I do value those who are already saying, you know, when they go online, they’re they’re bringing out these videos and they’re doing these exposures that they will say, I have reached out to this person to talk to them. I mean, this is important. And people have been calling for this.

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Hey, before you put out a name, have you contacted them now? I mean, for me personally, the majority of these people, I don’t know them personally. I don’t have a relationship with them. Okay. I can put out a message. They might not ever get it. I mean, I don’t get all my messages, but the heart to reach across the aisle, so to speak, you know, and to to hear each other’s heart is so important.

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I mean, I can tell you last week or a week and a half ago, I, I facilitate, facilitated an offline conversation, with Patricia King and two other, YouTube podcasters who have been exposing all this stuff. And I knew the Lord was calling us to do this so we could hear each other’s hearts. Because I knew of the potential to find truth.

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I knew the posture of each one’s heart was to seek truth. They were open to hearing. It was wonderful. It was amazing. The fellowship of the Holy Spirit and the changes that happened as a result. Okay, some of you may have caught Patricia’s post concerning her public statement concerning Sean Boldt. I mean, what was so amazing to me about that is it was because of a hearts meeting and trust being built offline.

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Just because we know that we’re brothers and sisters in the Lord and we want to see a healthy body. I mean, this is this is really important. And so God is looking for who of these leaders, those that you don’t even agree with, you may not follow them. Are they open to change? Are they open to hearing another side?

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Doesn’t mean that they’re going to change their mind right away. We’re all in process, okay. And the longer that you’ve had a relationship with someone and then they are being exposed for being a fraud, it might take a while to unpack that. I mean, come on, it would it would be like if someone told me that one of my children, you know, was found to be living a secret life of sin.

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I’d never seen it, but, I mean, it would take me a while to process that. Okay. So we got to give grace in some of these situations, even in our passion, you know, to see justice and to have these things brought to the light, we have to realize the relational component of this. And it’s very real and it’s very painful.

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I mean, you know, some of these exposures. Yeah, you listen to victims and it’s heart wrenching and you want justice right away. But there’s there’s always another side to the story that doesn’t discount, okay. Any abuse doesn’t discount any immorality or sin. But there’s always other people involved, so many innocent people involved. And the only way we’re going to find the truth is when we listen to the whole thing, I mean that that’s the biggest downfall of doing these things online.

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Like this. Is it very rarely, unless it is an investigative reporter that is bringing forth all the evidence and doing all the research behind the scenes. No one YouTuber or podcaster is going to give you all the truth. They’re going to give you a piece. So I would be very leery of following anyone that claims that, okay, they can make a judgment now based upon this video clip from five years ago, or this statement that they made last week.

00:24:24:20 – 00:24:59:02
Okay. Therefore now we can determine that is a false prophet. Yeah, I just I have little patience, okay for that because these are serious allegations and some of them are more clear than others. But I am appealing to everyone of the bigger picture that in this process, the Holy Spirit is wanting us to find truth together and that we need everyone to be a part of this conversation and even opposing voices, the people that we normally might not listen to.

00:24:59:04 – 00:25:18:07
I mean, this is this is so important, and I need to prepare the way here because even on my channel, the Lord has been challenging me. How I’m not challenging me and inviting me to consider having some people on my channel to be interviewed. But I know some of you who are following me because of comments that you’ve made.

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You will right away have a check. Why is Wanda interviewing that person? And you know what? I just I want to see this thing broken of this guilt by association, of this automatic labeling of people because of platforms that they’ve been on, interviews that they’ve had with so-and-so, statements that they may have made, or even a particular stand that they took a couple of years ago, that now their fate is sealed and will no longer listen to them.

00:25:45:04 – 00:26:06:18
Please. We’ve got to break that because people are changing. I’m telling you, because I’m talking to leaders. I’m talking I mean, family members. This process, not only in the church, but even what’s happened in the nation, it has caused everyone to examine what we believe and why it’s been good. But it means we’re all changing. Let’s give space for that change.

00:26:06:21 – 00:26:38:14
Let’s give room for those conversations. Okay? So I’m just telling you, I’m going to have some interviews coming up with some people that some of you may you may have already written them off. Oh, that’s a false prophet. Or they appeared on Elijah streams. Oh, no. Oh, please. Oh yes. Because I don’t label people. I you know, if you go back to the last video, Steven Powell and I did on the discerning of spirits, what I’m looking for is that humility of heart that that purity of heart that I can detect within someone.

00:26:38:17 – 00:26:54:23
They are on a journey. I may not agree with everything that they’re saying right now, but I see their heart, I see their openness, and they got some things right. There’s some good things there. Well, then why not have a conversation with them? I might pick up some things from them. They might pick up some things from me.

00:26:55:00 – 00:27:14:07
Hey, guess what? We might all grow. This is going to be healthy. And so even as we’re trying to, you know, learn who to trust, let’s let’s again be willing to get outside of our comfort zones and at least hear people out. I know that we got to be grounded in the word yes, it has to be based upon the Word of God.

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But remember, we need both Word and Spirit that’s been prophesied for years. We need both the truth. But listen, you can’t live by the law alone. Not the letter of the law, the spirit of the law. Okay, the Lord reminded me of this, this passage. It was in Joshua, the example talking about, you know, taking sides because that’s what it kind of feels like.

00:27:36:01 – 00:27:54:06
It is, you know, we’re on one side or the other, you know, the advocates, the victims, and then the perpetrators, and, you know, which side are you on? Are you on the advocacy side or are you siding with the wolves? And I’m just appealing again, please, let’s not label people, yeah. Because there’s extremes and there are those that.

00:27:54:06 – 00:28:16:15
Okay. Yeah, there are wolves. But there’s a lot of people caught in the middle. There’s a lot of people that are caught in the process of discovery, of waking up, of grappling with the truth, of coming to truth. My art is I want to I want to speak to leaders who are in that process. And let’s walk together towards the truth.

00:28:16:17 – 00:28:37:19
Okay? And this is well, let me get this passage about Joshua before I go on. This was when Joshua was going into battle. I think the context is Joshua 513 and 14 and here an an angel, a heavenly being, you know, with a sword drawn, stands in front of Joshua. And Joshua says, are you for us? Are you for our enemies?

00:28:37:21 – 00:29:00:20
Which side are you on? And the angel basically says, neither. I’m the commander of the army of the Lord. Well, that’s the posture I want to take. I I’m not in anybody’s camp, okay? I don’t want to be labeled as, as for or against anyone. I am for the Lord. I am for truth. I am for justice, I, I am for a righteous standard.

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That’s what I’m for. So whoever is going that direction I’m willing to partner with, I am willing to walk together towards that, okay? Because we need each other in this. So I wanted to bring up Patricia King because she has been in the news again. And my dear Patricia, if you are watching, you know I love and respect you and I want you all to hear my heart concerning because in the context of what I’ve just shared, we are all on journey.

00:29:31:17 – 00:29:54:07
I see Patricia as a sister in the Lord, that she is not a heretic and she is not a false prophet. Some of the Bible teachers may have already determined that for me, I don’t. Okay, my definition may be a bit different. I see someone who has a righteous standard, a love for the Word of God, a true and sincere heart for God, justice for victims of the abuse.

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I’ve seen her time and time again when she hears of someone that is has been abused, she walks alongside them. She has spent hours on the phone with victims. She wants to call for accountability. She already did. That was Todd Bentley. She did that with Sean and she’s going to continue to do that. And so I commend her for that, for being willing to take a stand.

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I know some feel like it’s too late, it’s too little. And now with this whole Todd White thing coming up and my appeal is we got to give this thing time to to for all this stuff to come out and to be brought forward. Okay. Because again, if we are all open to what the Holy Spirit is doing, we need to pray for each other in that process.

00:30:37:20 – 00:31:09:12
Okay. And I’m praying for Patricia. I’m praying for for Todd White. I’m praying for all of these people who are going in this same direction of of truth and justice. Now, let me say about Todd White, okay? Because I do have I do have a differing opinion, at this point then what some would have, Todd White was actually to our church before anybody knew who Todd White was, before he even really started his public ministry, he came to our church twice.

00:31:09:20 – 00:31:43:19
Dan Mueller with was his spiritual dad. We loved Todd’s passion and and evangelistic zeal. I mean, he brought a fire, you know, to our congregation. But after the second time of him ministering, we couldn’t bring him back, because the second time he shared, his personal testimony, which was very powerful. But then he was very dogmatic of renouncing and denouncing anybody that believed in the need for any kind of emotional or inner healing or any need for deliverance, because he was instantly set free at the cross.

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Therefore, everybody should be. Now, when he started sharing this, I thought, you know, because his testimony was powerful, I could see where he could believe that. But he was extremely dogmatic about it. And, and and it hurt some people in our church. And we knew, you know, what I think? I don’t think it’s good for him to to be bad, because I don’t think he was even aware that we have a major freedom ministry in our church.

00:32:06:09 – 00:32:27:22
Okay, I think it totally. He was so focused on what he was doing, he never asked the question. We really didn’t process that. We just knew we couldn’t invite him back. Even then, I felt like, okay, these very dogmatic. I felt like there was a religious spirit at work. At the same time I saw his heart, you know, that I felt like he had a sincere love for God, and he really loved people.

00:32:28:02 – 00:32:47:06
An obvious passion, you know, for evangelism. But yeah, I was just praying, God, I hope he works through his issues. You know, fast forward a couple of years. I receive a phone call from one of the leaders in in his ministry that he had then started, lifestyle Christianity. And this later, he had been following me online.

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We had a previous connection in a prayer ministry, basically spent a couple hours on the phone with him, and he was describing similar issues, not in Todd’s ministry or the gifts, but in his leadership. And as he described them, I thought, that sounds kind of the same as what we experienced. You know, back then. Now, after that, I’ve had no contact.

00:33:10:22 – 00:33:45:18
I have not followed Todd. I have no idea. I’ve not followed anyone that’s worked with Todd. So I can’t speak to that. But I can tell you simply based on the limited, experience that that I had that we had with him. I’m not surprised at the allegations coming forward and the difference here. And it’s a differentiation or a separation, maybe that it needs to be noted, is that it’s not necessarily now some some of the cessation is teachers and even the biblical teachers are really questioning the whole leg lengthening deal and all that.

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Now, I know of people personally that that they claim it happened, that they they walked different, that God touched them. So I do not believe anyone that says it’s all fake. No, I know people in our congregation there are people that were healed, okay, because of Todd’s ministry. So, it was real. But what’s in question is, is the leadership.

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And here’s where just from a principle standpoint, apart from any personality, you kind of know where your gifting is. Some some of the people who are very powerful in spiritual gifts just need to continue to minister. They might not be qualified or prepared to lead a school. They’re not an educator. They’re not a teacher. Okay? So they’re getting outside their lane.

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I’ve seen that happen numerous times where because of the the hype and the interest, oh, well, let’s just start a school. And then they put themselves in a position of being administrator and teacher. That’s not the grace they have. And then that’s where it really gets wacky. It gets out of hand. And so some of this is misplaced gifting.

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And so there’s, there’s issues there. But I did want to state that if you’re wondering, okay, where do I stand? That’s where I stand. I pray that it gets worked out okay. I’m, I’m not as hard on some of these, you know, whether or not you. Some would call him. He is a wolf. He is a predator to me.

00:35:11:22 – 00:35:31:20
That’s too strong a language. I mean, there hasn’t at this point been any indication of sexual impropriety. You know, when we knew him and we actually did, connect a couple times after he had come here because his daughter really connected with our daughter for a while, and it seemed like he had, you know, somewhat healthy family dynamics.

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And I know there’s been stories that have come out that that might not be the case. But my point being, you know, we saw enough that merited, okay, God’s using the guy in healthy ways. And so to insinuate that from the very beginning, he planted himself to lead people astray, because that’s what a false teacher would do. They are very intentional of leading people away from Jesus.

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I don’t I don’t see it the same way. But there are issues. All right. So we’ll let it play out and see what happens. I’m praying for all those involved, including Patricia, who is one of his spiritual moms, and, I have just chosen to give grace because it’s a process of finding out not only what is true, but then how to deal with it.

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Okay. And this this is probably where she and I differ a little bit in the methods of bringing things to light, and maybe even just the the ways in which things are resolved. You know, it’s a different time in a different season. And probably everyone I mean, no one likes this public mess. Who of us really enjoys it?

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No. Ideally, it should have all been done behind closed doors and dealt with. But as we have been finding in all of these exposures, it didn’t work. These people were confronted many times. And I mean, this is this is the case with with Todd White, too, confronted many times, they did not heed, what are you going to do?

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There does come a point where even God says, okay, enough, okay, we’re going to have to deal with this. So, you know, other names. I mean, I’m not going to speak to them again, I hope. I hope you’re getting the message of what I’m trying to share is even as we listen to the reports, let’s not fall to sensationalism because there are so many channels out there.

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I personally look for those ones who are grounded in Scripture that I know that their heart is for the building up of the entire body, and that they are committed to integrity, even in relationships that, you know, there is reaching out. And obviously, I know a lot of them have. I mean, the ones that that that I follow, they have reached out to many of these people and haven’t gotten any response.

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Okay. And so they are walking in integrity. There are other channels, however, that I will say, don’t they just like to, you know, put out clips and hearsay? And I did want to just say in terms of, you know, using video clips and just pulling things offline because I did I did make this comment once, in the past, I’m not sure if it was a video or written, because someone called me out on it or asked me about it.

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I made a statement about, you know, don’t send me clips from five, ten years ago. They have no relevance. Well, that’s not totally true, because if we’re talking about, an accusation or something concerning a past, mistake or a past statement. Well, yeah, if you’ve got video evidence of it, then that’s good. We need to see that really happen.

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What I’m talking about is pulling something from five, ten years ago, even three years ago, that someone said they believed or someone that they supported and claim that that’s still current. The reason I say that, again, we’re in a season of a lot of upheaval and a lot of changes. You can go back on my channel. Okay, some of the videos in 2021, in 2022, I was sure the President Trump was going to be reinstated by the end of 2022.

00:39:08:19 – 00:39:38:00
I was wrong, okay. And so in subsequent times, you know, I adjusted that and I spoke to that. But anybody you can go back and someone will say something that no they don’t. They no longer believe. So I’m just saying please be careful of just assuming because you see someone in a video from several years ago making a claim about what they believe or who they support, try to get the most current okay, current data of where they stand now.

00:39:38:02 – 00:39:58:07
At least give give people some room to grow. I mean, I would hope that that’s what we would want in this whole process is, is we want all grow and learn from this. Well guess what? Some some of the major leaders that we we need to speak out, they’re going through process to and and I will say another thing to pray for is one of the issues.

00:39:58:08 – 00:40:19:15
Okay. And this is something that Patricia and I have talked about, and that really made a difference for her, was hearing the individual stories rather than just generalities. And I realize, again, in this space it’s really hard. You know, Mike winger, for example, in his video, he stated, I don’t want to name names. And I understand why why he didn’t listen.

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I talked to some of these, you know, whistleblowers. We’re talking death threats. We’re talking lawsuits being follow. I mean, major things. It’s about the safety of an individual because I still see comments. Why aren’t you naming names? There’s some very real things happening. And unfortunately, in some cases, to name the individuals. Yeah, that perpetrator is literally going to go after them in, in not good ways.

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All right. So I don’t I don’t fault Mike at all for doing that. However, the other side in presenting something like that, this more general, it’s really hard for anyone then who is on the outside trying to determine, do I believe this or not? I it’s really hard because some people need to hear from the individuals. And this is to my point of the need for relationships being formed.

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Back to my appeal to the teachers and prophets. Pray that these relationships and these divine connections can happen. And more importantly, offline. We don’t have to stream everything to everybody. You know, some of these conversations that I’ve been having, nobody will ever know about, but I see the fruit, and these are the kinds of conversations that need to happen.

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Is, is hearing one on one where someone is at, where their heart is at. We hear different sides, we hear different perspectives, things, and, you know, facts that we weren’t aware of before now in a proper context, we can adjust where we need to adjust. This is what needs to happen. Not everyone’s open to that. I understand that, but I’m looking for people who are people who are open to those kinds of conversations where we can learn from.

00:42:10:08 – 00:42:30:24
So again, you know, teachers and the prophets, I say the teachers and the prophets can include the evangelist. You know, the other gifts, too. It’s just this is kind of been the general kind of gifts that have been, in the forefront because of what’s been happening in the prophetic movement. And then, you know, the doctrinal issues, okay, of what’s true and what’s not.

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So God wants to build his body. We each have a part and in this time of exposure, as he’s cleaning the house, ultimately he wants us to come together. Then this shouldn’t be tearing us apart. The enemy wants these things to tear us apart. The Lord wants us to come together and realizing we’re not going to agree on everything.

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I mean, I’m going to be doing some future videos, actually, you can pray for, for Bobby. He just started a three month sabbatical, and, he has a book that he’s wanting to finish this year called Not All Truth Is Equal. And he’s going to be unpacking this whole idea of the difference between dogma, doctrine, and opinion.

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It’s huge. I’ll do an interview with him, so that you can hear it from himself, at night. And because we have to determine what are those core essentials of our faith that we all need to agree on, and then what are those doctrines that we might have varying interpretations, but there’s room for that because they’re not.

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Our salvation is not dependent upon them. We might not ever go to church together or fellowship together, but we can still call each other a brother and sister in the Lord. Okay. I mean, that’s that’s what. Yeah, I won’t say any more than that. So I hope that your, you’re getting the message. And as I said, for those of you who follow me, I wanted to prepare you for some future interviews that I have, people that I might be having on that perhaps you’ve already written off.

00:44:00:19 – 00:44:18:16
Maybe you’ve already determined. Well, that was a false prophet, or that person was on Elijah streams. And now you have sworn off of Elijah streams. And for those of you who don’t know, I was on Elijah streams for a number of years. So it shows. Listen, we’re all growing, we’re all adjusting. And let’s look to the heart.

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Humility of heart, who is willing and open to change, who is going to, who is committed to the righteous standard of the Word of God and yet open to the supernatural realities of this amazing, creative God who can do anything he wants. And he really doesn’t have to explain himself to anybody, but it should all be under his glory.

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I hope you are too.