Vimeo Declares War on Gospel Transformation

By Michael Brown Published on March 27, 2017

Did Jesus change your life and set you free from homosexual practice? If so, your testimony is not welcome on Vimeo. Not now. Not ever. And if you see homosexuality as another aspect of sexual brokenness, something Jesus died for and something you can be healed from, your opinion is not welcome on Vimeo. Case closed. Door shut. End of subject.

In the words of Dr. David Kyle Foster, director of Pure Passion TV and himself a former homosexual, “This is pure religious bigotry and censorship.”

Last December, Vimeo contacted Foster. They told him that some of Pure Passion’s videos had been marked by a moderator since “Vimeo does not allow videos that harass, incite hatred or depict excessive violence.” They instructed him to “remove any and all videos of this sort from” from his account. He had 850 videos on Vimeo at that point. They let him know that his account would be reviewed in 48 hours. If his ministry failed to remove the allegedly offensive videos, then, he was informed, “your videos and/or your account may be removed by a Vimeo moderator.”

Foster’s ministry is not the first to be unfairly censured. Last year, Vimeo closed the account of Restored Hope Network. This is an association of ministries that help people deal with unwanted same-sex attractions. Vimeo also closed the account of NARTH, the National Association for Research and Therapy of Homosexuality. NARTH is an association of psychologists, psychiatrists, counselors and therapists who have had the temerity to stand up to the PC establishment and who refuse to celebrate LGBT activism. For such a horrific thought crime, their Vimeo account is no more.

Vimeo’s message is clear: If you have same-sex attractions, whatever their cause, you must embrace them, if not celebrate them.

Foster was quite aware of Vimeo’s history. But he was not about to go down without a hearty protest. So he wrote back to Vimeo. “You must have the wrong account,” he wrote. “We are an award-winning Christian ministry that only posts content that helps people, not hurts them. We never defame anyone. We never incite hatred or depict violence of any kind. Our message has been one of love from start to finish.”

By Vimeo’s logic, Alcoholics Anonymous would not be welcome, since their videos demean alcoholism.

He explained, “Our videos help sexual abuse victims, people who have been sex trafficked, those who are addicted or in any other condition that causes them distress. We are constantly receiving professional awards and commendations from people who have been helped by the world-class experts who populate our videos.”

He even asked Vimeo to please cite “any video that does otherwise and we will have a second look. It would be a shame to remove the hundreds of videos that help people in very desperate circumstances — some of whom have even claimed to have been prevented from suicide by the messages of hope that we produce.”

The next day, Melissa B., a “Trust and Safety Coordinator,” responded. “It seems that a number of your videos,” she said, “go against the Vimeo Guidelines of: ‘We also forbid content that displays a demeaning attitude toward specific groups, including: Videos that promote Sexual Orientation Change Efforts (SOCE).’”

By this logic, Alcoholics Anonymous would not be welcome on Vimeo, since their videos demean alcoholism. Weight loss videos would not be welcome, because they shame the overweight. Testimonies of Christian converts from Islam would not be welcome, because they shame Muslims.

In reality, all these videos are welcome on Vimeo. Why? Because none of them cross the forbidden line. None say: “If you’re not happy being gay (or bisexual or transgender), God has a better way.”

Foster wrote back again, explaining why they were targeting the wrong account. “The testimonies of people who have been significantly helped by our videos is practically endless,” he explained. “Why would anyone want to censor such a voice for the broken and helpless?”

Surprisingly, Vimeo accepted his explanation. They told Foster he did not need to remove his videos “at this time,” but they asked him to keep their guidelines in mind “for any future uploads.”

Alas, on March 16, the cycle started again. Vimeo gave Foster one week to remove the supposedly offensive videos.

Vimeo is engaging in blatant, unapologetic, aggressive anti-Christian censorship.

He wrote back, noting that the matter had previously been resolved. He then received an email from Sean M., who explained:

Your statement equating homosexuality to “sexual brokenness” betrays the underlying stance of your organization. To put it plainly, we don’t believe that homosexuality requires a cure and we don’t allow videos on our platform that espouse this point of view.

Please remove any and all videos that discuss homosexuality as a condition requiring healing. We also consider this basic viewpoint to display a demeaning attitude toward a specific group, which is something that we do not allow.

You can see why Foster described this as “pure religious bigotry and censorship.”

Vimeo is forbidding you from agreeing with the Bible when it comes to human sin and brokenness.

Vimeo is forbidding you from preaching the gospel of transformation when it comes to homosexuality.

Vimeo is engaging in blatant, unapologetic, aggressive anti-Christian censorship.

Foster wrote to me privately, pointing out that Vimeo allows “videos of terrorists and pornographers.” This made their stand against his ministry even more hypocritical.

He and Sean then engaged in a series of emails. But this was Vimeo’s bottom line: They recognized that Foster’s ministry was not “overtly vitriolic. However, “Referring to homosexuality as a ‘dysfunction of sexual brokenness’ or ‘sexual distortion’ is not OK, nor is reference to ‘the fact that God can transform the life of anyone caught in homosexual confusion’. … Vimeo disagrees wholeheartedly with the notion that homosexuality is a form of brokenness, or something that requires healing, or something that people need to seek freedom from.”

To repeat: This is forbidden on Vimeo!

To paraphrase: Dr. Foster, we know you’re not hateful. But don’t you dare testify about Jesus transforms lives. And don’t you dare imply that there is anything wrong with being gay. Not a word!

Then, on March 24, all 850 videos were removed and the Pure Passion account was closed.

This is an outrage, and it needs to be addressed. Here’s what you can do today:

  • Write to Vimeo and ask them to restore immediately the account of Dr. David Kyle Foster and Pure Passion. State politely that this is a form of religious censorship and bigotry. If you can say something positive about Foster’s ministry through your own experience, do that as well.
  • Subscribe to Pure Passion’s YouTube channel. At least for now, it has not been shut down. There you’ll find videos from speakers like Kay Arthur and John Bevere. They address issues of sexual addiction and pornography, expose the horrors of sex-traffickin. They also provide testimony of ex-gays.
  • Consider getting a copy of Foster’s powerful “Such Were Some of You” DVD.
  • Share this article with a friend.
  • Pray that the message of freedom and liberty in Jesus — from ALL brokenness and sin — would be proclaimed even more loudly and powerfully in the days ahead. May Vimeo’s efforts to silence a powerful ministry (along with other excellent ministries and organizations) amplify this ministry’s message.
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  • Wayne Cook

    I have watched three music videos on Vimeo. I did not like the content and never returned. I don’t have an account on that site and never will now. Thank you, Michael, for exposing what I suspected from the beginning. Given that they support the terrorist accounts on their site, it’s hard to reconcile terrorism with the promotion of gays. They are mutually exclusive.

  • Patmos

    I don’t think it’s possible for people living by sight to understand anything. On that rare occasion that they do step out of the realm of the flesh, it’s usually just to enter in to the realm of emotion so that they can express dissatisfaction at not having their lust fulfilled. That’s the extent of it. The Spirit does not exist to them. There’s a reason Jesus said you must be born again, and to not give what is holy to dogs lest they turn and attack. The liberal Godless freak show parading around the US are a irrational and psychotic bunch, ruled by desire, and they will burn.

  • JP

    The homofacists strike again.

  • Timothy Horton

    Why are you complaining when Vimeo only allows scientifically verified reality and not ignorance based insulting nonsense about human sexuality? Sooner or later it will dawn on you folks that your religious-based bigotry just isn’t welcome in the world anymore.

  • Timothy Horton

    Vimeo is engaging in blatant, unapologetic, aggressive anti-Christian censorship.

    No they’re not. Vimeo is engaging in blatant, unapologetic, aggressive anti-sexual-orientation-bigotry censorship. BIG difference. Any atheist group who posted the same sort of messages offering to “cure” or “fix” the “broken” gays would get the same heave-ho.

    • ImaginaryDomain

      It isn’t bigotry to point to the truth that is larger than you. It may be unpleasant to hear, but sometimes the truth hurts…

      • Timothy Horton

        The truth is your religion’s message of intolerance and exclusion just isn’t welcome most places in the world anymore. Vimeo has every right and some would say a moral responsibility to ban such negative anti-social messages.

      • Charles Burge

        The LGBT agenda depends very heavily on perpetuating the narrative that homosexuality is innate and unchangeable. That’s why they are so desperate to discredit testimonials from people who actually turned away from it, such as Rosaria Butterfield (and many others). They “win” their arguments with bully tactics and intimidation rather than through honest dialog.

        • Timothy Horton

          Why does your side feel the need to delete my posts where I provide scientific papers showing the genetic component of sexual orientation? Is your argument really that weak?

        • Timothy Horton

          My side isn’t the one which keeps deleting scientific studies whenever they are posted. Sure seems like bully tactics and intimidation to me.

        • Timothy Horton

          My side isn’t the one who keeps deleting references to scientific studies I post. Sure seems like bully tactics and intimidation to me.

          • Jim Walker

            Tim, you go your way, we go ours. May God open your eyes to see the truth.

          • Timothy Horton

            It’s just funny in a thread complaining about censorship at least one rogue STREAM moderator has taken to censoring and deleting polite posts just because he doesn’t like the science.

          • ImaginaryDomain

            The fact that you keep posting here leads me to believe you’re searching for something. Please stay and I hope you find the light that you seem to desperately crave…

          • Timothy Horton

            The fact that you keep posting here leads me to believe you’re searching for something

            I am. I’m searching for equality under law for all my fellow humans. Not just the ones your narrow group approves of.

          • Jim Walker

            Tim,
            That is what a moderator is for.
            Your science is man made. I actually felt sad that your belief system are mold by the community of people you mixed with.
            Just like evolution, its repeated and made mainstream until our kids textbooks also tell them such lies. Evolution is like tossing one dice to get a 7.
            Hope you find the truth that will set you free.

    • Patmos

      You are of course assuming that there is such a thing as sexual orientation, that there is a basis for it beyond political correctness, which there isn’t.

      • Timothy Horton

        Pretty much every professional medical and psychological association in the world disagrees with you. But scientific facts don’t matter much to your side it seems.

        • Joseph

          what are are these ”scientific facts” you speak of?

          • Timothy Horton

            The scientific fact that sexual orientation isn’t consciously chosen but is a combination of genetic, hormonal, and environmental factors. There are dozens of scientific organizations like the AMA and APA where you read about the research.

          • Joseph

            Homosexuality is a choice. no one is born homosexual. your genes do not make you do anything. homosexuality is an behavior. not a genetic impulse. when you are going to stop believing this lie?

          • Timothy Horton

            All the professional scientific literature and the personal testimony of millions of non-hetero folks says you’re wrong.

            When and how did you consciously choose your own sexual orientation?

          • Joseph

            ”All the professional scientific literature and the personal testimony of millions of non-hetero folks ” you mean all the politically correct ”scientific literature” written by politically correct people? it’s a choice to be a homosexual.

          • Timothy Horton

            I mean all the researches in the professional scientific community which includes many devout Christians. The scientific evidence is what it is and all the denial in the world won’t change the facts.

          • Joseph

            God says you’re wrong.

          • Timothy Horton

            God doesn’t get a say in secular laws or scientific research results.

          • Joseph

            God is the biggest scientist of all. I find it hard to believe that men know more about human sexuality than God does. God is the creator and giver of sexuality and he made no one homosexual.

          • Timothy Horton

            (shrug) Again, all of science and million of people say you’re wrong.

          • Joseph

            Again, God says you’re wrong. God 1, man 0

          • Joseph

            You mean psuedoscience

          • Joseph

            Homosexuals are not born homosexual. they become it. homosexuality doesn’t choose people. people choose homosexuality. when people are born they have no sexuality. they choose what they want to be when they grow up. people are not automatically gay when they are born. they choose to be that way.

          • Joseph

            born homosexual is stupid and so are you. do you seriously believe that babies can be homosexual? lol wow

          • Chris.J.Symonds

            Which scientific studies please cite your references as evidence. Millions of people is a blanket statement not evidence that it is true.

          • Timothy Horton

            Sorry. I keep posting some relevant studies, some coward keeps deleting them.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            “All the professional scientific literature and the personal testimony of millions of non-hetero folks says you’re wrong.”

            More lying. So surprise coming from a spiritually-dead, son of disobedience, and child of wrath. It’s not even a subtle lie given that Dr. Paul McHugh and Dr. Lawrence Mayer wrote their Study which the LGBTQABCXYZ advocates went literally rabid over. Of course, Horton will come back and say they don’t count which is all he and they have because NOTHING they wrote has been proven wrong.

            Moreover, Horton defeats his own argument when giving credibility to the idea that Bi-Sexuality is an “orientation”. There is ONLY ONE “sexual orientation” and that is the one given by the Orienter. God has created all as either male or female with an orientation toward the other sex. Period.

          • Michael

            Prove there is a god…and is in fact YOUR GOD…then your comment might have some weight. But for now, it is an ignorant statement from an ignorant person.

          • Joseph

            ”The scientific evidence is what it is and all the denial in the world won’t change the facts” what ”facts”? and what ”scientific evidence”

          • Joseph

            born homosexual is just made up. what you were thinking of homosexual sex when you were a baby? no. no one was. born homosexual is lie. no one is born homosexual. these ”scientists” promoting this born homosexual lie were paid to do so. no one is born to like the same sex. when you’re born. that’s it, you’re just born. you’re not born gay, you’re not born anything. you make the choice to be gay as you get older. no one is born into homosexuality. they choose to be into homosexuality

          • Timothy Horton

            Then tell me when and how you made the conscious choice of you own sexual orientation. If you didn’t consciously choose your own orientation what makes you think other people consciously chose theirs?

          • Joseph

            Homosexuals, like us, were not born homosexual. when you are a baby you don’t even have a sexuality. you don’t even think about sexual stuff at that age. you are nothing when you are a baby. people choose to be what they want to be when they grow older.

          • Timothy Horton

            Yet you can’t tell me when and how you consciously chose your own sexual orientation.

          • Joseph

            I choose to be heterosexual everyday. I can choose to stop being with women and start being with other men if I wanted too.

          • Timothy Horton

            That’s a behavioral choice, not a sexual orientation choice. Your sexual orientation has to do with the innate sexual attractions you feel. No one consciously chooses their sexual orientation be it hetero, homo, or bi.

          • Joseph

            ”sexual orientation choice” that is exactly what it is. a choice

          • qendrim gashi

            I didn’t have close relationship with my mom and my dad. Since I was in first grade I liked woman more than my friends, and I had a lot girlfriends, I accept Jesus when I was 13 but after two years I stooped going in church, and when I became 19 I had feeling like kissing a guy, and growing in muslim culture that was crazy. Not only feeling but also the thinking when I was close to a guy. I started to go in church, read the bible, and pray for this, also I started a relationship with a muslim lady, we had crazy sex, and gay feeling went out little bit. However she left me because I was christian, when I turn 22 I decided to get married, and that feeling went out more because I was so close to God, and holy spirit, when I became 23 I meet a christian lady, now I am 28 but I have 0% feeling or thoughts for a guy, but still evil comes when I see pretty ladies, pretty bodies that ladies have. I Love my wife so much that I never could believe I will love someone like this. I believe satan tempt a lot of people on gay feeling and thoughts but we have to be strong. When we get tested we got to fight the bad stuff what the bible says. A doctor back home said phedofilia is pathologic illness.

          • Aaron Brown

            Do you think that people are ever born with desires to do things that they shouldn’t?

          • Timothy Horton

            Do you think that people are ever born with desires to control other people’s private lives, lives which have absolutely nothing to do with the would-be controllers?

          • Timothy Horton

            Do you think that people are ever born with desires to control the private lives of others, lives they have absolutely zero business meddling in?

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Your lies and false claims fall flat on their face whenever anyone bothers to take the time to check them out. Typical Liberal Homosexual Activist malarkey. Just claim stuff to be true, tell the lie often enough, loud enough, and long enough and claim it to be true so that some will be foolish enough to believe it.

            Doesn’t change the fact it’s a lie and it’s no wonder that the sexually immoral and Liars are both listed in Revelation 21:8 as taking their place in the Lake of Fire FOREVER.

            Moreover, anybody that hasn’t been living under a rock the last 20yrs knows that the lying LGBTQABCXYZ and their supporters will write whatever they want to, attach the label “science” to it, and claim some validity. There is none. It’s just conducting a study and manipulating the data to come to the conclusion you started with from the beginning.

            Ecclesiastes says it well when it says there is nothing new under the sun. So continue with your deception and delusion. You’ll wake up to Reality when hurled into the Lake Of Fire.

          • Ruth

            True indeed!

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Nobody I know has ever advocated peeking in the windows of anyone’s bedroom to see what they do in the privacy on their own homes. So STOP with the nonsense!

            You want your perversion to be paraded down the streets and shoved down everyone’s throats. You don’t want tolerance. You want acceptance and approval and THAT is something you will NEVER get!! NEVER!!! Because God has said it is an abomination and NOTHING will ever change that.

          • Timothy Horton

            I’ve said it many times before. If you want to stop a minority from protesting for equal rights just grant them equal rights. Make the protests unnecessary.

          • Gary

            But we don’t want homosexuals to have equal rights. Its due to our innate homophobia.

          • Timothy Horton

            At least you’re honest about it. A despicable anti-social position but you honestly admit it.

          • Gary

            That might be your opinion. But you cannot prove your opinion has any validity. Proving something is “despicable” could only be true if there is an objective moral standard that proves it. But you don’t believe in an objective moral standard.

          • Timothy Horton

            It has as much validity as your opinion. More in fact since it’s held by a majority of the voting population.

          • Gary

            If there is no God, then yes, your opinion is as valid as any other. And “the voting population” does not determine what is moral.

          • ImaginaryDomain

            Precisely. Absent a law outside of ourselves, we become a law unto ourselves and…anything and everything goes.

          • Timothy Horton

            Wrong. If you live in a social society as we have you have to follow agreed upon laws regarding social behavior. That includes not discriminating against minorities in your public business dealings.

          • Knowledge Transfer

            The only time any so called minority can claim discrimination is when and if the majority refuses to allow the minority to play by the rules set by the majority. Therefore, abnormal, unnatural and unhealthy homosexuals can only claim discrimination if normal, natural and healthy men and women won’t allow homosexuals to become normal, natural and healthy. THAT’S NOT THE CASE!

          • Timothy Horton

            Most of the non-hetero folks I know are already normal, natural, and healthy. Therefore discrimination against them has been deemed illegal in many and soon to be all places.

          • Knowledge Transfer

            Really! Why is one of the goals for the Communist Takeover of America: “present, homosexuality, promiscuity and degeneracy as normal, natural and healthy”? If homosexuality is normal, natural and healthy, why pray tell would it ever need to be presented as if it was normal, natural and healthy? Wouldn’t such a presentation be superfluous, wasteful and redundant? Also, if presenting homosexuality as normal, natural and healthy was good for the USA, why would such a goal be part of the Communist Takeover of the USA?

          • Timothy Horton

            If homosexuality is normal, natural and healthy, why pray tell would it
            ever need to be presented as if it was normal, natural and healthy?
            Wouldn’t such a presentation be superfluous, wasteful and redundant?

            Not when there still exists a group of Fundy bigots still determined to oppress minorities and treat then like second class citizens.

          • Knowledge Transfer

            Why didn’t you answer ALL the simple questions asked? Do you have a degree in “Dodge Ball?

          • Timothy Horton

            Dishonest and loaded questions don’t warrant an answer. Did you stop stealing from the collection plate yet?

          • Knowledge Transfer

            If homosexuality was normal, natural and healthy, why would it ever need to be presented as being normal, natural and healthy?

          • Timothy Horton

            Because there are still a lot of homophobic bigots in the world passing out false information to justify their discrimination and bigotry.

          • Knowledge Transfer

            If presenting homosexuality as normal, natural and healthy was good for the USA, why is it a key goal in the Communist Takeover of America????

          • Timothy Horton

            What the “Communist Takeover” (whatever that is) thinks or doesn’t think doesn’t affect empirically verified reality one iota. The simple fact is non-hetero orientation is a naturally occurring, harmless variation in the normal spectrum of human sexual development.

          • Knowledge Transfer

            Historical deprivation prevails. Harmless????

          • Timothy Horton

            Pratchett’s Law: The more exclamation points and question marks someone uses the more likely they are to be mentally unbalanced.

          • Knowledge Transfer

            Wowie! Yet another irrelevant comment!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • Timothy Horton

            Wowie! Yet another irrelevant comment!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            Pratchett’s Law: The more exclamation points and question marks someone uses the more likely they are to be mentally unbalanced.

            Q.E.D. Anything more than 5 is indicative of someone who wears their underwear on the outside. 🙂

          • Knowledge Transfer

            It’s definitely time for your penectomy. You are what cruel and unusual punishment looks like.

          • Knowledge Transfer

            Harmful fabrication in an abnormal and hallucinogenic spectrum of inhumane and dehumanized anti-sexual degeneration.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            How many times have you hired a Pedophile to babysit kids? Or are you a bigot?

          • Timothy Horton

            How many times have you hired a Pedophile to babysit kids?

            Why, are you a defrocked priest looking for work around young boys again?

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            That was to highlight your hypocrisy by discriminating against minorities in your business dealings with the public.

            But, of course, you defer to personal attack and ad hominem rather than show your hypocrisy.

          • Timothy Horton

            Individuals can be denied service for individual actions; criminals aren’t a protected minority group. But I’ll think of you if I hear of anyone needing to employ a pedophile.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Oh? Such as? Exactly what kind of individual actions can one be denied service for according to YOU?

            Criminals? Perhaps you’ve forgotten that Homosexuality was a criminal offense not all that long ago. What about when a Man decides to walk into a Women’s bathroom because he just happens to FEEL like a woman at that moment?

            As for your pathetic little fiery dart thrown from your father, Satan’s, arsenal…

            THANKS for the blessing! Much appreciated. And it’s always appreciated when the totally-depraved, spiritually-dead, sons of disobedience, and children of wrath, publicly display their uncouth behavior for all to see.

          • Timothy Horton

            Perhaps you’ve forgotten that Homosexuality was a criminal offense not all that long ago.

            So was interracial marriage. Key word is WAS. People wised up and realized there was nothing criminal about a naturally occurring variation in human physiology. But religious bigots just can’t let go of their intolerance and hatred.

          • Timothy Horton

            Yes, they do. Most times that also translates directly into what is legal.

          • Gary

            People make civil laws. God makes moral laws. I have no obligation to do what you think is morally right, or to avoid what you think is morally wrong. But God holds all of us accountable for keeping His laws. You may not believe that now, but soon you will.

          • Timothy Horton

            I have no obligation to do what you think is morally right, or to avoid what you think is morally wrong.

            Just as non-hetero people have no obligation to do what you think is morally right, or to avoid what you think is morally wrong.

          • Michael

            God makes moral laws. Ok…
            It’s ok to stone a non-virgin on her wedding night in front of her father’s house.
            It’s ok to stone a person who works on the sabbath.
            It’s ok to stone a disobedient child.

            Sorry…his morality SUCKS! And if you need a law from 5000 years ago for you not to murder, lie, and steal…then you are a fraud!

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Oh yeah, and we can all see how much better off we’d be with your Morality. LOL

            Stay up there on your high horse for now while you want but one day you’ll bow to the Lord Jesus Christ as FINAL judge and your judging God will just be laughable. And you’ll have ALL Eternity in the Lake of Fire to think about your stupidity in thinking you could ever judge God in the first place.

          • Michael

            You don’t know me Royce. You have no idea what my morality is. I love how you wish for my eternal damnation and saying God will laugh at me. You’re funny.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            I don’t need to know you to know your Morality. See Matt. 15:18, Lk 6:45, and Matt. 7:16-20.

            Furthermore, your false characterization of me speaks of your morality as well. I NEVER said in any way, shape, or form that I “wish for” your eternal damnation. I simply stated a fact. And the FACT is I would WISH for you to confess, repent, surrender as a slave to the Lord Jesus Christ, and beg Him to save you.

            It’s truly NO laughing matter.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Well, I don’t know what happened but this didn’t post and I can’t find your post now so I’ll just reply here just so you can see what RIGHTS I do have:

            WRONG! I don’t have to prove squat to you before I start quoting from God’s Word. And that is a FACT. Here, I’ll actually PROVE it’s a FACT:

            “There is a way which seems right to a man,
            But its end is the way of death.” (Prov. 14:12)

            “The fool has said in his heart, “There is no God.”” (Psa 14:1)

            “And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil. For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed.” (Joh 3:19-20)

            Oh, and I have EVERY RIGHT to continue to share from God’s Word and shine the light on your darkness. Not only because I have been commissioned as an Ambassador of the LORD Jesus Christ to do so but also because I served this country for 20yrs where I’m pretty sure I earned the RIGHT to exercise my FREEDOM OF SPEECH!

            Now, c’mon back, bub. I got plenty more Truth I can share with ya.

          • Michael

            Blah, blah, blah…truth…blah blah blah.
            I don’t care that you served our country…so did my father. He lost his leg in Korea…still doesn’t make everything he says right.

            Blah blah blah.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            LOL. There’s some more of that “kindness” and “gentle spirit” just oozing from you! LOL

            You deserve an award so here’s Plato’s Award for ya!

            “Wise men speak because they have something to say, fools speak because they have to say something” – Plato

          • Michael

            …and there is none coming from you!

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            How would you know?

            “Wise men speak because they have something to say, fools speak because they have to say something” – Plato

          • Tribtrooper

            What does it matter to you since you say God is not real? At least nowhere yon do, but guess what! He IS real, and yon WILL stand before Him and be required to give Him an accounting of whymyoumdenied Him,may yon attempt to,lead others to deny Him, and it will NOT be pretty for you. I’m actuallya little sorry for you..

          • Michael

            And still you can’t answer my questions of your god’s morality. When was it ever right to stone a non virgin? When was it ever right to stone a disobedient child. You people are really off your rockers!

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Wrong again. I can easily answer that question. The answer is “When God said so!”

            As for you understanding that all I can say is when the spiritually dead try to read the Book of Life it’s like a blind man trying to read a road map before hopping in the car to drive. You have to get a heart transplant before you can have eyes to see.

            Whoever is of God hears the words of God. The reason why you do not hear them is that you are not of God.” (John 8:47)

            “The unbeliever does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him. And he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.” (1st Cor. 2:14)

            “There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures.” (2nd Peter 3:16)

            The last one probably applies to you the most. As for the rest of your drivel, I’ll simply say that when folks characterize their own remarks with “you people” it’s usually a sure sign of a bigot speaking.

          • Michael

            When I say “you people” I mean the ones whose mouth is in gear before their brain is engaged. I put you (personally) in the same category as a Westboro Baptist church goer.

            I am no bigot. It is you who is the bigot…thinking gay people are less than human. Who think they are an abomination. That is bigotry…and it is YOU that is the bigot.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            I frankly could not care less about what category you put me in. I, on the other hand, know exactly what category you fall into. Thanks for giving me an opportunity to give you more of God’s Word and Truth:

            And you are dead in your trespasses and sins, in which you walk according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience. Among them you live in the lusts of your flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and are by nature children of wrath (Eph. 2:1-3)

            And yes, you are a bigot. Not only that but a Liar and absolutely terrible at exercising your faux omniscience. I have NEVER stated in any way, shape, or form that Homosexuals (call it what it is – or is that just too self-condemning?) “are less than human”. Quite the contrary, they are fully human. Totally-depraved and spiritually-dead. Stating the truth, that unconfessed, unrepentant Homosexuals are an abomination is NOT bigotry. It’s actuall “Love” but I don’t expect you to understand that.

            So yes, it is YOU that is the bigot as well as being a hateful, unloving, son of disobedience who tries their best to take as many others to Hell with them as possible.

          • Ruth

            Well said and well done Royce, I’ve read the comments of this man, and see how deny God and rejecting the truth. If this man will continue to lie and believe in lies, he is one of those whom God will send great delusion when Antichrist shall be revealed.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            That’s true if he hasn’t already hardened his heart to the point of being turned over to a reprobate mind. Hopefully God hasn’t turned him over yet and He still has time to confess and repent.

          • Ruth

            Yes, he has yet time before death catch him.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Nor necessarily, Ruth. That one has until their last breath is a common, and often repeated, thought but the truth is he has until death OR until God decides to bring Judgment.

            Look at Pharaoh as an example. God established Pharaoh in his condition after he hardened his heart against the Lord one too many times.

            If God turns someone over to a reprobate mind they are doomed.

          • Ruth

            You’re right, and yes if God turns someone give up to a reprobate mind, they’re doomed.

          • Ruth

            You’re right, and yes if God turns someone over to a reprobate mind they’re doomed.

          • Michael

            Hey Royce…according to scripture…it was God who hardened Pharoah’s heart! You are mistaken in your example.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            When the spiritually dead try to read the Book of Life it’s like a blind man trying to read a road map before hopping in the car to drive. You have to get a heart transplant before you can have eyes to see.

            Whoever is of God hears the words of God. The reason why you do not hear them is that you are not of God.” (John 8:47)

            “The unbeliever does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him. And he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.” (1st Cor. 2:14)

            “There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures.” (2nd Peter 3:16)

            I’d suggest you go back and read the passage to see you’re wrong but the above applies and you’ve already proven your spiritually-dead and can’t even understand simple English composition.

            For anyone else reading this, don’t be fooled by Michael’s pathetic attempt to mislead and twist Scripture. Read the passage and see for yourself how many times Pharaoh hardened his heart and then when it says that God hardened Pharaoh’s heart. Exercise proper hermeneutics and exegetic principles and you will see what I said is correct. God simply “hardened” Pharaoh’s heart by establishing Pharaoh in the condition for which he had brought himself.

          • Michael

            You are truly delusional. You think I’m hateful. That’s funny because even my Christian friends and family view me anything but hateful. I’m actually a very kind and gentle spirit that would,give the shirt off my back to help someone.

            Everyone has opinions. Opinions are like butt holes….everyone has one. Some are bigger than others. You are in the big range.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Oh yeah, I’m the delusional one. LOL Yes, you are hateful. Don’t think it, know it. Evidenced by your writings.

            “I’m actually a very kind and gentle spirit that would,give the shirt off my back to help someone.”

            “Everyone has opinions. Opinions are like butt holes….everyone has one. Some are bigger than others. You are in the big range.”

            Oh no, you’re not delusional at all. The kindness and gentle spirit just oozes from you! LOL

            Thanks for publicly displaying for everyone to see just what kind of “Christian friends and family” that you have and how they’d define Kindness and Gentle Spirit.

            LOL. You guys are a riot.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            The VAST majority of People are gonna spend Eternity in torment in the Lake of Fire. Welcome to what the majority gets you. Too bad that isn’t gonna make you feel any better in your torment for all Eternity.

          • ImaginaryDomain

            It’s not a position. He was born that way. For you to say it’s despicable means your an homophobe-ophobe and a bigot. See the logic there?

            And it doesn’t even matter if he was born that way. I could be just the way he feels today.

            That’s where we are in this logic of the “gay” agenda and gender fluidity. Any position you personally feel is OK and must not be the subject of scorn or derision.

          • Timothy Horton

            He also as the right to be as big a bigot as he wants to in his personal life. He just doesn’t have the right to harm others with applications of that bigotry.

          • ImaginaryDomain

            Au contraire my friend. Not only must you accept homophobes, but you must celebrate them. Teach it in your schools. Require churches to teach it under threat of losing federal tax exempt status. Require businesses to conduct all manor of business with homophobes. After all, they were born that way and who are you to judge or discriminate against them?

          • Timothy Horton

            Not only must you accept homophobes, but you must celebrate them.

            Your Church seems to be doing a fine job of that all by itself. The rest of us deplore actions which harm our fellow humans. That’s why we make most of them illegal.

          • ImaginaryDomain

            They have exactly the same rights we all do. They want more than equal rights.

          • Timothy Horton

            No, they don’t. Right now there are still states where it’s legal to fire someone or deny them fair housing due to their orientation. The laws are changing slowly but they are changing.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            So you advocate for giving all “minorities” equal rights. I certainly do not, but hey, thank you for showing everyone that you support every perversion under the sun and that the Gov’t should not discriminate against Andromimetophilia, Anthropophagolagnia, Autoandrophilia, Autogynephilia, Autonepiophilia, Autopedophilia, Autoplushophilia, Chronophilia, Coprophilia, Ephebophilia, Exhibitionists, Gerontophilia, Gynandromorphophilia, Gynemimetophilia, Hebephilia, Infantophilia, Necrophilia, Pederasty, Pedophilia, Peodeiktophilia, Pedovestism, Piquerism, Raptophilia, Scoptophilia, Stigmatophilia, Toucherism, Transvestophilia, Troilism, Urolagnia, Urophagia, Zoophilia, and a whole bunch more!

            No doubt Ted Bundy, Jeffrey Dahmer, John Wayne Gacy, Gary Ridgeway, and a host of others wish you had been in control of the Gov’t while they were around.

            Not to mention the mother who wants to marry her son, the father who has married his son, the brother & sister who got married, the people who want to marry their pets, Alien Boy, Tigerman, Catwoman, and on and on and on.

            But again, thank you for publicly displaying your honesty and where this Society will be when more of you come out into the open.

          • Timothy Horton

            So you advocate for giving all “minorities” equal rights.

            I’m for equal rights under law for everyone as long as their actions don’t harm society or themselves. Granting equal rights to non-hetero people in things like marriage doesn’t do any harm to society or to themselves. You apparently still have the desperate need to spit on and deny equal rights to those you don’t personally like.

          • Knowledge Transfer

            So causing plagues and pandemics doesn’t endanger the general welfare? Do rapists have equl rights to rape – as just one example?

          • Timothy Horton

            Scientifically illiterate and intolerant homophobic bigots do more to endanger the general welfare than a hundred non-hetero folks. It never once dawned on you to read the scientific literature before spouting off, did it.

          • Knowledge Transfer

            Your powers of discernment do not exist. You blame shift; finger point; and create scapegoats. It’s time for penectomies…removing the deadly homosexual genitals.

          • Timothy Horton

            It’s time for penectomies…removing the deadly homosexual genitals.

            What you put in your mouth is your own business.

          • Knowledge Transfer

            We take driver’s licences away fro drunk drivers and guns away from criminals etc. taking genitals away from those who use them as deadly weapons is mandatory. Start looking for closets before they all get to crowded.

          • Timothy Horton

            For a “pure” Christian boy you sure obsess over other people’s genitals a lot.

          • Knowledge Transfer

            Pure Christian boys are a sodomites worst enemy.

          • Timothy Horton

            Because you see them as competition? Why are you so obsessed with male genitalia?

          • Knowledge Transfer

            Why are you?

          • Timothy Horton

            LOL! you’re the only one fantasizing about handling people’s genitals. All I’m doing is shining light on the tremendous scientific ignorance about human sexuality which is rampant in this venue.

          • Knowledge Transfer

            You are a CONVOLUTION! You are the one obsessed you bone head!

          • Knowledge Transfer

            You will be the one to fear it. SNIP! SNIP!

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            So now you’re walking your statement back and trying to qualify what a “minority” is or who, what, when should get “equality”. Hmmm, sounds like a bigot to me!

            Who are you to decide does harm to society or themselves by their actions?

            Christians would most certainly state that Homosexuals and all the sexually immoral do harm to Society and to themselves.

            “Granting equal rights to non-hetero people in things like marriage doesn’t do any harm to society or to themselves.”

            THAT is called naivety, spiritual-blindness, and just plain ol’ Denial. Even if one were to completely set aside the Word of God, which I will NEVER do, one only has to use logic and reason to see the dangers and absolutely harm to Society that Homosexuals & SSM do.

            “You apparently still have the desperate need to spit on and deny equal rights to those you don’t personally like.

            You apparently know that you don’t have a leg to stand on with a logical and reasonable argument which is why you must resort to ad hominem.

            I hesitate to even answer a fool, as Scripture tells me what the result will likely be, but there may be others who happen to see this that aren’t such an ignoramus so I will flatly state that my dislike has NOTHING to do with one “personally”. In fact, it is I who happens to love someone enough to tell them that the sin they are practicing has eternal consequences of which they will NOT want to endure.

            It is only by the hatred of others such as yourself that they are encouraged to remain in their sin.

          • Timothy Horton

            Who are you to decide does harm to society or themselves by their actions?

            Who are you? All you do is repeat the same angry rhetoric over and over with nary a research study or bit of data in sight.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            That the best ya got? Can’t answer the question so you just reply with more ad hominem?

            I’ll tell ya who I am though. I am child of the Most High God. A blood-bought Saint of Almighty God. Co-heir with Jesus Christ. An Ambassador of the Lord Jesus Christ. Born Again Believer. Follower of the King of kings and Lord of lords.

            Which is a whole lot better than being a spiritually-dead son of disobedience and child of wrath like yourself.

            And, for the record, there was nothing “angry” about my “rhetoric” at all. Your false characterization from your namby-pamby, effeminate, liberal PC nonsense doesn’t make it true.

          • Timothy Horton

            More angry rhetoric and self-aggrandizing. No scientific research or data in sight. No surprise there.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            More false characterizations and ZERO substance from you. No surprises there.

          • Ruth

            Yes, the most loving act to show others is to rebuke them, confront them of their sin and tell them the truth, that they will surely go to hell if they will not repent and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ.

          • Ruth

            Well said Royce, and you’re right, and of course many pervert will say don’t judge them so that they could continue sinning. But God has already judged them, unless they repent and believe the gospel.

          • Gary

            I was born a homophobe. And there is no cure.

          • Aaron Brown

            I’m not sure how I am in the category of people trying “to control the private lives of others, lives that have zero effect on the would-be controllers?” I mean, this(gay marriage) is a matter a public policy isn’t it?

          • Timothy Horton

            Did I say you were in that category? There certainly are many Christians who do feel a desperate need to control other people’s personal lives.

          • Aaron Brown

            Well, in that case Timothy, I’m not really sure why you brought it up. Even if some Christians are as you say what does that have to do with homosexuals being ‘born that way’ and same sex marriage in general?

          • Knowledge Transfer

            Then stop ramming your death style down our throats…especially the throats of our children. Then stop prancing and promenading your promiscuous perversions in public.

          • Timothy Horton

            Please don’t cry. You’ll short out your parent’s keyboard.

          • Knowledge Transfer

            Scatting are ya.

  • Joseph

    There is no proof people are born homosexual. people are not born anything sexual. Born homosexual is a myth

  • llew jones

    I’ve noticed in Australia that those many organisations, some ostensibly Christian, that take a public stance against say homosexual marriage never mention the destructive health effects among practicing male homosexual and bi sexual men. It seems to be the same here. Surely if it can be shown to those aggressively anti Christian organisations, like vimeo, that its support of homosexuality in any of its outworkings ignores the effect their support has and will have on the health and longevity of those they so unthinkingly and exclusively promote.

    • Timothy Horton

      Sexual practices are as safe or as dangerous as you make them. You can’t name a single sexual act practiced by non-hetero couples that isn’t also practiced by hetero ones.

    • Timothy Horton

      Sex is as healthy or as unhealthy as you make it. You can’t point to a single thing non-hetero couples practice which hetero couples don’t practice also.

      • Dean Bruckner

        Downvoted, flagged and blocked for repeated advocacy of sin.

        • Timothy Horton

          You mean censored / deleted for offering an opposing point of view.

        • Timothy Horton

          You mean deleted for voicing an opposing point of view.

        • Jim Walker

          T.H. poking into a hole meant for excrement is unnatural. Its 100% unhealthy for sure.

          • Timothy Horton

            Do hetero couples every do that?

          • Jim Walker

            They are wrong too. I did not mentioned whether its homo or hetero fyi.

          • Knowledge Transfer

            Sometimes is wrong. All the time is evil. Go back and play in; eat from; and live in your hateful unflushed toilet

          • Timothy Horton

            LOL! When you get appointed King Who Decides What Married Couples Can And Cannot Do let us know. Otherwise you can go take a flying leap at a rolling donut.

          • Knowledge Transfer

            Nobody much cares what foul, filthy and fruitless freaks like you do. Do what you do more and more and more because the more you do what you do the fewer and fewer of you there will be. And that’s a very good thing. Nature excludes you!

          • Timothy Horton

            Nobody much cares what foul, filthy and fruitless freaks like you do.

            You apparently do. That’s why you spend hours on here obsessing over male genitalia.

          • Knowledge Transfer

            Thanks for taking the bait yet again you dimwit. We want you to exterminate yourselves but we refuse to preside impotent when you force your filth on those we know and care about especially our children – your heathen prey of first choice. Do you take your fecal food with or without peanuts?

          • Timothy Horton

            LOL! Watch his Fundy head explode. 😀

          • Knowledge Transfer

            Thanks for coming out. You make the round up easy. Mercy is out of stock.
            Justice is filled to overflowing.

          • Michael

            3…
            2…
            1…
            0…

            It’s a dud!

          • Knowledge Transfer

            Looking in your smeared mirror yet again when you rifle off your fire, ready, aim; shoot from the hip; knee jerk reactive hallucinogenic rants.

          • Michael

            Timothy…
            There is no intelligent life here.

  • Timothy Horton

    I see another batch of my polite posts were mysteriously vanished with no explanation. Then you have the brass to whine about censorship.

  • Sunny

    You cannot help people who don’t want to make a change!

    • Joseph

      They’d rather stay in sin and go to hell than repent. they love their sin

      • Michael

        We don’t believe in sin. That is your word…not ours. Now excuse me while I go have wild premarital sex with my girlfriend.

    • Timothy Horton

      You also can’t help people who don’t need or want what you offer as “help”.

    • Timothy Horton

      You also can’t help people who don’t need or want your “help”.

      • Joseph

        Just go away

        • ImaginaryDomain

          He’s here for a reason. Screaming out for someone to bring him into the light. Be patient and show love…

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            More likely living out Eph. 2:1-3 and just doing his father’s bidding.

          • Michael

            No…he’s here for the same reason I am. To poke the beehive. To expose the stupidity that is your beliefs. And those reading this thread (the ones on the fence of Christianity or are doubting their beliefs…and trust me…these people aren’t commenting…just reading) will read all of this and think to themselves…
            “Wow, Timothy and Michael are saying all the things out loud that I am questioning…and no one can give them answers. Every time they give them a question…they deflect.”

            I’ve already been private messaged 5 times in the last 3 days…all questioning me about my background and all asking me the same question…
            “How do I get out of this cult?”

            Thanks folks…your doing a great job…keep it up!

  • Joseph

    Those who believe God made them that way are deluded. the Bible does not support the idea of people being born homosexual. the born homosexual is something pushed on them by society. you will not find this born that way in the Bible. homosexuals quote Matthew 19:12 as their ‘proof’ that God made them that way but this verse really has nothing to do with homosexuality. eunuchs are castrated males not homosexuals also considering the fact that eunuchs have no desire to be with men or women. how can they be homosexual? this born homosexual lie was invented to keep those who engage in this sin to stay in this sin and to keep them in rebellion against God. God did NOT make them that way. I don’t care what society says. if society is telling you what is not found or supported by the Bible (such as this born homosexual thing) then it’s not true and they are lying to you

    • Joseph

      Who are we going to believe regarding this issue? the creator of life or fallible man? I know who I’m going for. God said no one is born in homosexual and that settles it.

  • Joseph

    No one is born a sexual deviant. they become it

  • Joseph

    The notion of people born as homosexuals is lie. people are not born homosexual. born homosexual was just invented to make this vile, perverted lifestyle more acceptable to society. it has nothing to do with truth. people are not born perverts and they are not born to be with the same sex. they choose to be that way. pretty soon the pedos are going to start using the same lie that they were born that way and they too will start getting accepted by society.

  • Joseph

    Born homosexual is a lie. people believe it because it is constantly drilled in their heads (as the saying goes, if you repeat a lie loud enough and frequently enough, people will believe it) and because of the pseudoscience around it. if you want people to believe a lie, make the lie look scientific and people will believe it

  • thushjz

    I’m a Christian musician that has a few things on Vimeo, will be removing them and telling them why…

  • Timothy Horton

    Anyone brave enough to tell me why answering a request for scientific studies by posting the titles and authors of the studies is a violation of Stream rules?

  • Timothy Horton

    Chris.J.Symonds: Which scientific studies please cite your references as evidence.

    Here are four such studies.

    Evidence for maternally inherited factors favouring male homosexuality and promoting female fecundity
    Camperio-Ciani et al, 2004

    Common genetic effects of gender atypical behavior in childhood and sexual orientation in adulthood: A study of Finnish twins
    Alanko et al 2010

    Genetic and environmental influences on female sexual orientation, childhood gender typicality and adult gender identity
    Burri et al, 2011

    Homosexuality as a consequence of epigenetically canalized sexual development
    Rice et al, 2012

    There are many more.

    • Wil the Free

      None of these show that same-sex attraction is genetically predetermined, but that genetic influences plus environmental factors play an intricate role in the development of one’s sexual orientation. Knowledgeable Christians in genetics and childhood development have acknowledged this for decades.

      • Timothy Horton

        The problem is the unknowledgeable ones who keep insisting sexual orientation is a conscious choice, then using that falsehood to justify discrimination against the non-hetero minority.

        • Gary

          Don’t you believe that humans have no control over their behavior?

          • Timothy Horton

            Of course humans have control. The real issue is why should a loving couple give up their physical intimacy, an integral part of any human pair bonding, just because you personally don’t like it?

          • Gary

            Having control over your behavior does not seem to square with your claim that sexual behavior is just a natural outcome of “sexual orientation”. If “sexual orientation” is not a choice, then why is sexual behavior a choice?

          • Timothy Horton

            That makes zero sense. Reread what you just wrote.

          • Gary

            If sexual orientation is not a choice, then why is sexual behavior a choice?

          • Timothy Horton

            Still making zero sense. If being born albino is not a choice then why is wearing sun-screen a choice?

          • Gary

            Then you DO believe we choose our behavior. I just wanted you to make that clear. It is homosexual behavior that we object to. Homosexual “orientation” is irrelevant. And since, by your own admission, people can CHOOSE whether they engage in homosexual behavior, then that destroys your trying to justify homosexual behavior based on sexual orientation. Don’t behave as a homosexual, and no one will object to your homosexuality. Don’t behave as an adulterer, and no one will object to your adultery. Don’t behave as a thief and no one will object to your stealing. That’s how things work.

          • Timothy Horton

            Then you DO believe we choose our behavior.

            (facepalm) I agreed with that the first time you brought it up. You ignored the rest of my question to you:

            Why should a loving couple give up their physical intimacy, an integral part of any human pair bonding, just because you personally don’t like it?

          • Gary

            I’m not asking them to stop. I just want nothing to do with them. I want to be free to reject them and shun them. And I have the right to.

          • Timothy Horton

            Nothing would make most non-hetero folks happier that to have self proclaimed homophobes like you go away and let them live their lives in peace.

          • Gary

            If that were true, the sodomites would not be demanding that people who want nothing to do with them be punished. There would be no anti-discrimination laws that try to force people to accept homosexuals.

        • Charles Burge

          I don’t think anyone here is saying that someone consciously wakes up one day and decides to be gay. However, there is plenty of personal testimony out there to show convincingly that people can and do turn from being gay to not being gay. People like you are not just in denial about that – you’re actively engaged in trying to prevent people from learning the truth. I think that’s an absolutely wicked endeavor, since many people could be spared untold pain and agony if they just knew the truth.

          • Timothy Horton

            However, there is plenty of personal testimony out there to show convincingly that people can and do turn from being gay to not being gay

            There is 100x more personal testimony that sexual orientation can’t be consciously changed. People like your hang on to the few personal anecdotes which agree with your position while ignoring the other 99% of the evidence showing you’re dead wrong. I find that very wicked, an action which causes untold pain and agony to people who don’t deserve it.

          • Charles Burge

            It only takes one example to prove that something is true. Can a human being be more than 8 feet tall? Yes. (Robert Wadlow, born 1918). That fact that it isn’t common isn’t the issue. It *can* happen. That is irrefutable. Can gay people become straight? Yes, it is absolutely possible. People who have been there and done it have publicly told their stories. That is the crux or the issue. Vimeo does not want that truth exposed. I firmly believe that hurting people could be helped through the dissemination of this information.

          • Timothy Horton

            It only takes one example to prove that something is true. Can a human being be more than 8 feet tall?

            (facepalm) That doesn’t make all people be more than eight feet tall. Having one non-hetero (probably bi) person choose to act hetero due to social pressures doesn’t mean every other non-hetero person in the world can or should put on a charade just to make you happy.

          • Charles Burge

            That’s a combination of flat-out denial, and a straw-man argument. If you’re going to be that intellectually dishonest, I don’t see the point in discussing it further.

          • Timothy Horton

            I’ll accept that as your admission your logic was fatally flawed and you argument failed.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            He doesn’t have any desire to be intellectually honest. Note how he dismisses the person who changes their sexuality to “probably bi”. That’s what you’re dealing with. It’s called intentional willful Deception and Denial.

          • Wil the Free

            So what you’re saying is it’s okay to discriminate against minority groups within minority groups and deny their voices and their stories? Right, okay.

          • m-nj

            i think most true christians who believe God’s word and the power of His Spirit are not saying the change from gay to straight is TRULY possible without the work of God in saving and healing the person. an unsaved person may refrain from acting out on their same sex attractions, but their attractions are still there. But through salvation in Christ, the foundational attractions can also be changed… just like God is able to remove the desire for drugs or alcohol from addicts, or remove the desire for things from the greedy, or remove the lustful desires for illicit sex from the adulterer, or remove the desire to curse from the foul mouthed, etc. God is able, when and if He chooses, to change a repentant sinner from the inside out, at the deepest level of “just who they are” (as the LGBT… crowd like to so often say) to make them more of who He wants them to be.

        • Wil the Free

          Well, to be fair, there have been several gay/lesbian authors who have said they did choose their orientation, and wish the prevailing LGBTQ narrative didn’t mean delegitimising their story. However, just because the majority did not choose with intention their orientation, does not mean discrimination isn’t necessarily warranted. There are a host of psychological disorders people did choose to have but their having it does not mean the legitimisation of some social identity.

          • Timothy Horton

            Being non-hetero isn’t a psychological disorder. It’s a normally occurring harmless variation in the spectrum of human sexuality. There is zero secular reason to condone discrimination against the non-hetero minority any more than we should allow discrimination against racial or ethnic minorities.

          • Wil the Free

            Completely false. Same-sex attraction is a symptom of a deeper kind of neurosis that needs further research. It is not harmless, since, as in the case of men, they physical anatomy was not built for that kind of sexual activity. In addition, the higher rates of mental illness, depression, suicide attempts, STIs, HIV/AIDS infections and rampant promiscuity are clear signs that something in the psyche is clearly amiss. Just because it “naturally occurs” is not proof of normalcy.

          • Timothy Horton

            Same-sex attraction is a symptom of a deeper kind of neurosis that needs further research.

            LOL! Says the untrained arm-chair psychologist in direct contradiction to virtually the entire scientific and medical communities.

            In addition, the higher rates of mental illness, depression, suicide attempts, STIs, HIV/AIDS infections and rampant promiscuity are clear signs that something in the psyche is clearly amiss.

            All of those can be traced back to the negative effects of discrimination. If you really cared about the health of non-hetero folks you’d stop treating them like garbage. But you don’t.

          • Wil the Free

            I’m not in contradiction st all since the actual 1973 decision removed homosexuality from the category of mental illness, not based on any new scientific evidence but purely based on gay activism. The was confirmed by the former president of the APA who was chairing the decision.

            Second there is NO research paper that conovousively shows that these co-mobidities are a direct result of social ostracization. In fact, in the face of mounting global social acceptance of ‘ gay pride’ your assertion is ridiculous and laughable. From 2001 to 2014, the time when gay acceptance reached its peak in the US, HIV/AIDS infections decreased in every demographic EXCEPT one— gay men. Which in fact, INCREASED. My stars are true even in post-religious countries in Europe and Canada which have had civil unions and marrriage for at least a decade. But please, keep using tired, cliches arguments from the 1990s that will keep costing gay men their lives.

          • Tribtrooper

            So true. I see this everyday in my line of work, homosexual men in long term relationships, even “married,” although real marriage can only be between a man and a woman, and 99.9% of them have HIV or full blown AIDES. So much for a monogamous relationship. Males average in the upper hundred to thousands of sexual partners. Women somewhat less.

          • Kevin Quillen

            “being non-hetero”. You mean “queer”?

          • Tribtrooper

            One word….W R O N G!!!! There is NOTHING normal about perversion, and it is perversion. It is abomination, and unrepentant pervs will go to the same Hell as the Ted Bundys, David Koreshs, Adolf Hitlers, pedophiles, rapists, and murders if this world, along with Islamic jihadis et al. Don’t like the heat, repent and turn from your perverse life style, accept Jesus as your Savior and live for Him. Know Jesus, Know peace……no Jesus, no peace. That’s just how it is and will remain.

        • Knowledge Transfer

          Anyone could cite such psycho babble to justify anything. Your mind is like cement…all mixed up and permanently set.

          • Timothy Horton

            Run away from the science. I know it scares you.

          • Knowledge Transfer

            What you know about science could fit into the head of a pin. You are a liar dying in the biggest lie ever sold.

          • Timothy Horton

            Yet you were the one too stupid to even do a cursory search of the scientific literature before shooting your mouth off and making yourself look like a fool.

        • Kevin Quillen

          “non- hetero community”. Nifty. Kinda like “pro choice” instead of pro abortion. Did you think this up all by yourself, or is it from the talking points of the libs? I still prefer to call them “queers”.

    • davidrev17

      Since up-is-down, and right-is-left etc. in your foundationless worldview of man-centered I-ME-MY moral anarchy – aka GODless metaphysical naturalism, where “YOU are YOUR brain,” or “the mind is, what the brain does” – why do you suppose that UNmarried heterosexual Bible-believing followers of Yeshua/Jesus (like myself) daily-strive to live a Christ-honoring life of moral purity in thought, word & deed – since the Word of God manifestly commands such uncompromising behavior from its single/unmarried heterosexual disciples of the Lord Jesus; while currently, we hear about so many professing “Christians” that are identifying with a same-sex genetic/brain-based inclination, continue to literally demand that they be left alone to practice their Christianized sexual liberation theology…in the Name of a three-times Holy God?

      So from your topsy-turvy worldview perspective: why isn’t heterosexual behavior considered a “HANDS-OFF,” autonomously acceptable brain-based lifestyle too (from Almighty God’s, perspective that is) – since a GODLESS “nature selected” for this type of expression, from Homo sapiens as well?

      How is this so & why is this so – from a purely Biblical perspective?? (You know, I almost became dizzy while thinking & writing that illogical, tail-chasing nonsense out!) This state-of-affairs represents the moral-less insanity of which has been instantiated throughout the West – ever since Created-mankind “became the measure of all things” on this planet…

  • J Heffner

    This all comes down to the authority of the Word of God and believing that the God of the Bible is our creator. If you do not agree with this authority, then you get your truth from man and science which puts you and I in a disagreement from the beginning.

    “So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them. And God blessed them. And God said to them, ‘Be fruitful and multiply and fill the earth and subdue it…” Genesis 1:27,28

    This seems pretty straight forward to me. He created them male and female and their purpose was to fill the earth. Male/male or female/female can’t fill the earth or procreate, so their purpose is broken.

  • Royce E. Van Blaricome

    Would you give your money and/or throw your support behind someone you know is intentionally harming others? That is exactly what you’re doing if you give Vimeo your business. IKEA has also came out doing the same recently. Home Depot is another that actively endorses and supports the LGBTQABCXYZ agenda.

    The wages of sin is death (Rom. 6:23) and no entity that actively helps others toward eternal torment in the Lake Of Fire should get one iota of support from a Christian.

    • Joseph

      Yes, Vimeo will be responsible for sending many souls to hell. along with Home Depot and IKEA

    • Ruth

      Never. Never. Those who affirm, support, promote these group will be partaker of their pervert and sinful acts. These perversion is a detestable sin and deserve the penalty of death.

      Leviticus 20:.13 “If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them. 

      Revelation 21:8” But as for the cowardly, the faithless, the detestable, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.”

  • Joseph

    Vimeo is blocking people from changing and coming to Christ. they will be responsible for many souls to hell.

  • Joseph

    Vimeo is doing satan’s work. blocking people from receiving the message and repenting. they will be held accountable.

    • Michael

      First…prove Satan exists. Prove God exists.

      • davidrev17

        Well then, please prove the flip-side of your groundless assertion – scientifically that is – of which conclusively proves Carl Sagan’s infamous ideological proposition …i.e., that “nature is all there is, ever was or ever will be.” (Close to verbatim quotation.)

        Thanks…and while you’re at it, perhaps you’d include the evidence for ANY scientific argument whatsoever (in the professional/technical journals) that’s ever been advanced, during almost the last 500-years, or so, “which mentions ANYthing at all about God, in either the premises or conclusions of said scientific arguments.”

        Thanks again my friend!

        • Michael

          First David, you can’t disprove a negative. In other words, you have to present evidence FOR God and Satan first before I can disprove it. For instance…
          I don’t believe Santa Claus exists because…
          1) There is no good, provable evidence that he actually exists.
          2) All evidence that has been presented that he does exist has either been proven false or been based on false pretenses.

          So before I set out to disprove any deity (God, Satan, Thor, Zeus…etc) or stuff like creation, the flood, the Exodus…it is up to the person making the claim to present the evidence that it is true. Then, AND ONLY THEN, is it up to me to prove it false.

          • Knowledge Transfer

            Academically anemic; intellectually insolvent; historically deprived response fueled by being impervious to reason; lacking in a functioning conscience; and being invulnerable to regret. Guess what – if what you say is true, then sane people should start acting insane to eviscerate the insane. Get ready for a white knuckle ride.

        • Michael

          Well…in the last 500 years can you name a scientific explanation that has been reversed to a godly explanation?
          NO YOU CAN’T. But there have been COUNTLESS godly explanations that have been reversed for a scientific explanation.

          Think on that for a while.

          • davidrev17

            Ask yourself just a few of these very penetrating questions: Why is Homo sapiens’ the ONLY animal species that’s ever existed upon this planet, that’s been capable of conducting scientific research?

            Or, why has the very structure of this universe been explicable to WE Homo sapiens alone, in purely mathematical terms, or equations…i.e., meaning the “rational intelligibility,” or “comprehensibility” of nature?

            Albert Einstein recognized this powerfully intriguing conundrum – as have several Nobel laureate physicists ever since, through rigorous research in “mind-brain quantum mechanics” – around 100-years ago, or so, by making this still utterly-mystifying observation; mystifying to the MINDset of the typical atheistic materialist “a priori” committed by-faith, to a purely “reductionist” view of this universe, that is:

            ☆ ☆ ☆

            “The most INcomprehensible thing about the universe is its comprehensibility.”

            ☆ ☆ ☆

            I mean, just how is it, that what goes on inside the minds of WE Homo sapiens – with regard to the abstract “reality” of NON-physical numbers – has wound-up being precisely correlative with “un-locking” the very structure of nature, through and by a somewhat abbreviated series of “elegant mathematical equations”??

            ☆ ☆ ☆

            “It may be premature to believe that the present philosophy of quantum mechanics will remain a permanent feature of future physical theories; it will remain remarkable, in whatever way our future concepts may develop, that the very study of the external world led to the conclusion that the content of the consciousness is an ultimate reality.”

            (Nobel laureate physicist, Dr. Eugene Wigner, “Remarks on the Mind-Body Question,” 1961.)

            ☆ ☆ ☆

            Dr. Wigner also published a still-compelling, and critically relevant essay back in 1960 entitled, “The Unreasonable Effectiveness of Mathematics in the Natural Sciences.”

            We Homo sapiens are the only rational/moral “conscious observers” that’ve ever lived on this biosphere Michael; a biblical reality revealed millenia-ago, that’s still referred to in neuroscience as the “hard problem of consciousness” – seeing as though this perennially recalcitrant feature of reality has continued to defy a strict materialistic, reductionist explanation to this very hour!

            And this conundrum is called “mechanism” & “agency” in scientific parlance Michael; whose clear-cut example(s) are found throughout that book about which you’ve claimed to know so much – yet for some still-unknown reason, can’t seem to distinguish the proverbial “forest from the trees.”

            So if I were you, try meditating upon the profound implications of the Lord Jesus’ words in Matthew 24:35 & John 6:63; or passages like Colossians 1:15-18…esp. verse 16-17; or Hebrews 1:1-4…esp. verse 3; and particularly John 1:1-3. Then take a look at Old Testament verses like Psalm 33:6, or the last portion of Deuteronomy 8:3: “…because man does not live by bread alone, but by every WORD that proceeds from the mouth of God.”

            If you still don’t comprehend what I’m conveying to you, please allow me to close with this: “MIND represents ultimate reality” Michael (e.g., Psalm 19:1-4); a scientific fact (meaning “agency”) of which was FIRST revealed to WE “conscious observers” in the Word of the Living God…i.e., the Judeo-Christian Scriptures. And Yeshua covers this persistent predicament quite nicely (see John 3:1-21) – in which Homo sapiens’ has been inextricably bound, ever since the “fall.”

            Who has believed our report?And to whom has the arm of the Lord been revealed? For He shall grow up before Him as a tender plant, And as a root out of dry ground. He has no form or comeliness; And when we see Him, There is no beauty that we should desire Him. He is despised and rejected by men, A Man of sorrows and acquainted with grief. And we hid, as it were, our faces from Him; He was despised, and we did not esteem Him. Surely He has borne our griefs And carried our sorrows; Yet we esteemed Him stricken, Smitten by God, and afflicted. But He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquities; The chastisement for our peace was upon Him, And by His stripes we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; We have turned, every one, to his own way; And the Lord has laid on Him the iniquity of us all.” (Isaiah 53:1-6/ESV)

          • Michael

            I’m done with you David. Every time I have asked a question…you answer it with another question. A typical deflection.

            Like I have said, until you can prove your god exists…and your PARTICULAR INTERPRETATION of God, you will never convince people like me.

          • davidrev17

            Sounds great to me! Because aside from clearly not understanding that the existence of God is preeminently a “philosophical question” – thus ruling out scientific inquiry, since science doesn’t DO GOD, nor “value questions” in the first place – you’re also utterly clueless as to the rational/logical ramifications of your own pathetically vacuous worldview; to which you precariously cling in an unnecessarily, and eternally damnable posturing.

            And what’s most concerning to me Michael: you don’t even realize, or comprehend, just how much more “accountabe” you already are before your Creator & Judge – simply due to the fact that you spent all those years “hearing” His eternally-binding Truth’s. Yet you remain contemptibly defiant; something of which certainly didn’t happen in my case.

            It’s a shame I can’t provide you with my own past “quadruple-X-rated” testimony, prior to my receiving a “new heart” – thus supernaturally-instantiated spiritual transformation, referred to as being “born from above” in the Greek language of the New Testament; however, here’s a small indication:

            Just how does one responsible for murdering, as an accessory, five (5) unborn/pre-born members of the species Homo sapiens, through abortion, let alone engage in mind-numbing heterosexual debauchery with women in a multitude of contexts throughout a great deal of my wicked/reprobate existence – including having had relations with multiple wives of men, of whom were my so-called friends; yet somehow remain totally celibate to this day, (pornography as well), after more than 18-lonnnng-years – simply because the Word of God clearly teaches that any sort of sexually-related activity outside the bonds of marriage is sinful!

            You think that’s been an easy “road” for me to travel in a post-conversion state??? So your utterly anemic, or non-existent defense of maintaining your sinfully defiant lifestyle before your Creator, Redeemer & Judge – sorta’ like watching someone “chase-the-wind” – would normally be rather hilarious to me; if it wasn’t for the fact that you may have already “been turned-over to a reprobate mind”??

            And you can’t possibly advance an, “but I didn’t know!” excuse, when you “give an account” of your life before Him – at some certifiable point in history…i.e., HIS-STORY.

            “Facts are stubborn things…”

          • Michael

            See? You can’t respond.
            Though the existence of god is a philosophical question…what you base it on is the Bible. The Bible states there was a worldwide flood. That is a question science can research. It falls flat. No evidence of a worldwide flood. So the existence of your god through his infallible word can be answered.

            The Bible says there was an Exodus. The Egyptian records show no such thing PLUS no such thing as the firstborn dying. PLUS no evidence of the Jews in the desert. Again…the existence of god may be philosophical…but the claims it makes of thing happening can be scientifically proven or disproved. And though there is no evidence found of any of this…that means the evidence is lacking for your claims. Ergo…there is no evidence of YOUR BIBLICAL GOD.

          • davidrev17

            I find your so-called “authoritative” sources to be most interesting indeed Michael; especially when I KNOW for a fact about the virtual libary of scholarly work that’s taken place during the last 200-years (or so) – e.g., for starters, can you say the “science of textual criticism,” still functioning extremely well, after more than 200-years since its inception – of which has solidly confirmed the archaeological, historical & historiographical evidence for countless events recorded in the Scriptures?

            (And let’s NOT even try and consider the empirical evidence of answered prayer & the testimony from untold numbers of people whose lives have been gloriously transformed either!)

            Yet because you can’t be handed a CD, or a flash-drive, containing a seamless, digital-copy of the historical events that’ve transpired on this planet, moment-by-moment – but particularly those historical events recorded in the Bible – you mindlessly and/or irrationally have categorically rejected all of it?? Talk about “throwing the baby-out with the bathwater”! Are you also the sort of person who swears-off visiting ANY more doctors/surgeons – simply because ONE (or a few) doctors have been guilty of malpractice??

            Does that

          • Michael

            The Bible’s accuracy of prophetic completions is a seriously flawed debated topic. You see, you guys take something that is very metaphorical and then wiggle past and present events to fit the narrative. We’ve seen people do done that with”mythical writings”..(Nostradamus and the Mayans).

            Answered prayers are not empirical evidence neither are “life transformations” (God healed me from my alcoholism). People who aren’t God believing people kick the alcohol habit all the time. These “supernatural hearings” that people talk about all the time never make it into peer reviewed medical journals. If healers are so damn good, why aren’t hospital employing them? That’s just like asking why doesn’t a psychic predict winning lottery numbers?

            When a book is touted as perfect, infallible, the word of God…it must stand up to that. All it takes is ONE THING to make it invalid. There is a crap more than just one thing that makes it invalid. Face it, you can’t prove a flood. You can’t prove an exodus. You can’t prove creation…and that’s where the beliefs begin…right there. That’s like starting a mathematical formula with 1+1=3. So yes…when it comes to the Bible…the baby and the bath water all go down the sewer.

            And your Doctor example is a straw man’s argument. There are great doctors and there are quacks. That would be illogical to dismiss every doctor as one that doesn’t know what they’re doing.

          • davidrev17

            It’s astounding how you’re a self-professed expert on seemingly everything – yet still fideistically cling to NOthing…but yourself? Wow! A recipe for disaster, if ever I’ve witnessed one Michael.

            The spiritual condition in which you presently find yourself – because of the words you’ve spoken throughout this particular blog – almost reminds me of what happened to the historical Nebuchadnezzar, in Daniel 4:19-33…except for the “feathers and claws,” of course. But at least he had the opportunity to repent.

          • Kristin Solo

            Your vain pursuit of what you call ‘proof’ in the Egyptian records, evidently hinders your capacity to grasp the awesome significance of the Exodus as it impacts on the entire Biblical perspective, both spiritually speaking and in respect of the recorded history of the Hebrews.
            It is hardly surprising that specific reference to the Hebrews/ Israelites is missing from Egyptian records as the Egyptians referred to all of their West-Semitic slaves simply as ‘Asiatics,’ with no distinction among groups.
            Furthemore, your case is virtually demolished along with the ‘proof’ you crave, since ninety-nine percent of the papyri produced during the period in question have been lost and none whatsoever has survived from the eastern Nile delta, the region where the Torah claims the Hebrew slaves resided.
            Likewise unreliable are Egypt’s monumental inscriptions, which mainly record glorious accounts of royal achievements to honour the ‘gods’ of Egypt, which by definitive design excluded any and all details of defeat or disaster,including the Omnipotence of YHWH ELOHIM who visited Divine Wrath on the Egyptians via devastating plagues and ultimate death which scenario is reminiescent of the coming Day of the Lord when the Wrath of God will be dispensed upon ALL who harden their heatrs against Him and that incudes you, Michael! Check out the apocalyptic visions and prophecy recorded in the Book of Daniel as they align with the Eschatology recrded by John in the Book of Revelation for mind blowing ‘proof’ of that awesome reality which is fast approaching.

            In respect of your other repetitive ‘no proof’ arguement, it surprises me that you are so naive regarding evidences of a the global flood, since numerous reliable sources indicate that geological strata and their contained marine fossils provide critical evidence that the ocean once covered the continents, even the highest continental areas and that the existence of extremely widespread strata blankets argue for an intercontinental or global flood.

          • Michael

            No…fossils on mountaintops is explained by tectonic plates shifting and colliding with each other causing floors once covered with water to be forced upwards. This has been proven to be true. Google “formation of mountains “. Better yet, watch the second episode of Planet Earth” on Netflix and educate yourself.

          • Kristin Solo

            A feeble effort Michael~ a great deal of geological ‘proof’ reveals otherwise.
            You need to wise up and shape up before the heat hits the fan instead of doggedly gnawing at your dry bone !

          • Michael

            See? You claim “a great deal of geological ‘proof’ reveals otherwise.”…with no proof…just your words…thus my response…which is…

            Blah Blah Blah

          • Kristin Solo

            Lame again, Michael and I have to say your cheap modus operandi with its child like parroting of ….
            ‘Blah Blah Blah , See ? you can’t prove it’
            …. while curiously dismissing the core truths of my previous post, is so juvenile, bordering on infantile, which probably explains why you are apparently incapable or possibly too tantrum prone and defiant to research the bare naked facts for yourself ….. or do you seriously expect me to contravene the terms of this Forum by posting the links here?

          • Michael

            Blah Blah Blah…again…
            No proof…just deflection!

          • Kristin Solo

            You delude yourself AND you know it but you love it too much to acknowledge it . Good luck with that!

          • Michael

            Blah Blah

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Blah Blah Blah…again…
            No proof…just deflection!

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            And those tectonic plates shifted when the fountains of the deep were opened up causing the continents to actually slam into each other in ways you can’t even imagine.

            All because of the force of God Almighty during the Judgment He handed down when the Worldwide Flood came where all living things on the earth died.

            People no doubt cried out for those mountains to fall on them then and they will do the same when God brings judgment again. Perhaps you’ll be one of them. Or you may miss that and just wind up in the Lake Of Fire.

            Either way neither will be a pleasant experience.

          • Michael

            “People no doubt cried out for those mountains to fall on them”
            This is the ignorance I speak about.

            Humans weren’t around when that happened Royce. According to the SCIENTIFIC DATA…that happened 50-70 MILLION years ago.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Another positive claim. PROVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • Michael

            I did. Read the articles.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            No, you didn’t. Hypocrite!! That’s the same as me saying, “I did. Read the Bible.”

          • Timothy Horton

            And those tectonic plates shifted when the fountains of the deep were
            opened up causing the continents to actually slam into each other in
            ways you can’t even imagine.

            Sorry to say but you’re an ignorant tool. Google ‘seafloor spreading’ and you can see how the age of the strata spreading from the Mid-Atlantic rift shows the youngest at the rift aging to over 100MY at the continent edges.

            A literal Noah’s flood was rejected by Christian geologists over 250 years ago. Why are you still so clueless?

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Oh you’re sorry alright. One of the sorriest I’ve ever come across.

            You’re an ignorant fool. Not only because you deny the existence of God but because you spew the malarky about the “strata”. TONS of evidence about the “strata” have been gathered that prove there is NO validity to the claim that the layers were put down by gradual changes over long periods of time.

            Furthermore, you’re about as two-faced as one can get. First you say that “Christian” scientists, geologists, etc. have no credibility because there’s no God and then you cite them as an Authority. What a two-faced, double-minded HYPOCRITE!!

            Moreover, if you bothered with a simple Google search you could educate yourself on the plethora of information that’s available which totally debunks the idea of the earth being millions and billions of years old.

            The ONLY thing your ranting proves is that you’re a God-hating fool who is being led along by your father, Satan, just like the Bible says you are.

            And you are dead in your trespasses and sins, in which you walk according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience. Among them you live in the lusts of your flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and are by nature children of wrath (Eph. 2:1-3)

            The FOOL has said in his heart there is no God (Psa. 14:1)

          • Timothy Horton

            Still blithering, still too lazy to do the slightest research on geology or radiometric dating. If ignorance is bliss you must be one of the happiest morons on the planet.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Still blithering, still too lazy to do the slightest research on geology or radiometric dating. Here let me help ya, do a Google search for “Larry Vardiman+RATE”. Then maybe you’ll stop regurgitating your pablum & stop publicly displaying your ignorance.

            If ignorance is bliss you must be one of the happiest morons on the planet.

          • Timothy Horton

            Sorry I only get my scientific information from the primary scientific literature. Not professional Creationist liars and the clowns from the Creationist RATE group.

            You have zero scientific training or experience at all, right?

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            LOL!! Thanks again for showing your public hypocrisy and public display of a willingness to remain ignorant out of nothing more than stubborn rebellion.

            Just a little earlier you cited “Christian geologists” claim they say something you agree with but now you characterize those who disagree with your POV as “not professional Creationist liars” and “clowns”.

            Thanks for showing the entire argument that you Liberal God-hating loons have.

            Keep talking, you’re proving my case and completely discrediting yourself. Your characterization of the “Creationist RATE group” shows a complete ignorance of what was done and the results that came out of the Worldwide Symposium held in San Francisco.

          • Timothy Horton

            Still making yourself look like an ignorant fool. The RATE group are a bunch of Creationist clowns who are a laughingstock of the actual scientific community. The published exactly ZERO data or evidence to cast the slightest bit of doubt on the age of the Earth or radiometric dating. In fact their stupid “4.5 billion years’ of radiometric decay happened in a few hundred years before DA FLUD!” can be refuted by a relatively bright high school student. If RATE’s claims were true the heat from such accelerate decay would have melted the planet into slag 100x over. Even the RATE clowns in a rare moment of honesty admitted they needed a GAWDDIDIT MIRACLE! to explain the excess heat problem.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            PROVE IT!!!

            IF that were true, and it is NOT, why would they be invited to the Worldwide Scientific Symposium in San Francisco?

            Better to keep your mouth shut and not show your ignorance than open it and remove all doubt. You should work on your wisdom a bit.

            Thank your for showing your bigoted ignorance again.

            To any truly open-minded people who happen to be reading and following this, I hope you’re seeing what these God-haters have to offer. I encourage you to go look at the evidence yourselves.

            Do your own research and see the evidence or take the word of a fool like Horton who actually thinks and states that a TWO YEAR Multi-Million Dollar study by a group of PhD’s “can be refuted by a relatively bright high school student”.

            Now, I ask you, how credible do you think this dude really is?

            He reminds me of something that Vardiman said. After presenting their RATE Study to the symposium, another scientist came up to him afterwards and said, “That’s a fascinating study and tremendous results but it can’t be true because you guys are Creationalists.” Or words to that affect.

            Well, there ya have it. Doesn’t matter to Horton and his ilk of cretins, they aren’t gonna believe scientific evidence no matter what it is if it points to a Creator. Period.

            A man convinced against his will is of the same opinion still

            And that by very definition is the epitome of a moronic fool.

          • Timothy Horton

            IF that were true, and it is NOT, why would they be invited to the Worldwide Scientific Symposium in San Francisco?

            They weren’t invited. They submitted their garbage (anyone can submit) and got laughed out of the hall. They’re clowns with no place in the professional scientific community. Their ridiculous YEC offal has been beaten into a fine pink mist too many time to count.

            The funny part is you haven’t even read the RATE study. I have and can discuss in detail all the stupid and unsupported things they did. You’re so busy talking about TWO YEARS and TWO MILLION DOLLARS! that you overlook $2 million buys a lot of horsecrap. A huge steaming pile of YEC “science”.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            “They submitted their garbage (anyone can submit) and got laughed out of the hall.”

            PROVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            You keep lying and spouting off at the mouth and making claims that are laughable on their face. I wasn’t there but I highly doubt that a gathering of Worldwide scientists would sit thru one of Larry’s seminars and then “laugh them out of the hall”. YOU are the only thing laughable. Well, that and your utterly stupid comments.

            “They’re clowns with no place in the professional scientific community. ”

            Oh sure, that’s why all those scientists sat there thru his seminar and stuck around to laugh the “clowns” outta the hall. THANKS for showing your intellect. THANK YOU for once again revealing yourself and COMPLETELY discrediting yourself. All you’ve done is prove that nobody should listen to anything YOU say!! MUCH APPRECIATED!!

            “Their ridiculous YEC offal has been beaten into a fine pink mist too many time to count.”

            PROVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Or is empty rhetoric and name-calling, demeaning, belittling, etc. all you have? Thus far that’s ALL you’ve shown.

            “I have and can discuss in detail all the stupid and unsupported things they did.”

            Oh yeah, you’ve made it ABUNDANTLY clear how adept you are and discussing anything.

            How about I see if I can set up a debate between you and Larry???????? You up for that????

          • Timothy Horton

            PROVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            LOL! Another example of Pratchett’s Law: The more exclamation points and question marks someone uses the more likely they are to be mentally unbalanced.

            Let me know when you finally read the RATE nonsense and want to try and defend their ignorance and stupidity.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Thanks for showing everyone you’re nothing but hot air. Just one big narcissistic troll that shoots his mouth off but NEVER backs it up. Can’t practice what he preaches and PROVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

            Let me know when you finally read the RATE nonsense and want to try and defend their ignorance and stupidity.

            Anyone who doesn’t drink Horton’s Kool-Aid isn’t a “reliable” source. Scientists & other professionals” are all “experts” and “authoritative sources” UNLESS they happen to deal with Reality and not see things as he does. Then they’re just bogus imposters who’ve all been “debunked”.

            From Psychology Today: “Internet Trolls Are Narcissists, Psychopaths, and Sadists. An Internet troll is someone who comes into a discussion and posts comments designed to upset or disrupt the conversation. Often, in fact, it seems like there is no real purpose behind their comments except to upset everyone else involved. Trolls will lie, exaggerate, and offend to get a response.”

            In Internet slang, a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people, by posting inflammatory,[1] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a newsgroup, forum, chat room, or blog) with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[2] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion,[3] often for their own amusement.

          • Timothy Horton

            Wow. van Blowhard goes into a full slobbering meltdown. Maybe you should go lie down for a while before you stroke out.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Wow. Blowhard goes into a full slobbering meltdown. Maybe you should go lie down for a while before you stroke out.

          • Timothy Horton

            Wow. van Blowhard goes into a full slobbering meltdown. Maybe you should go lie down for a while before you stroke out.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Wow. Blowhard goes into a full slobbering meltdown. Maybe you should go lie down for a while before you stroke out.

          • Ruth

            True indeed! That’s what trollies are for, and they also serve as the devil’s minions.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            “No…fossils on mountaintops is explained by tectonic plates shifting and colliding with each other causing floors once covered with water to be forced upwards. This has been proven to be true.”

            Then prove it.

          • Michael

            oh…and “Blah Blah Blah”

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Hypocrite! Go practice what you preach. PROVE IT!!

            A wise man once said it is better to keep your mouth shut and not show your ignorance than open it and remove all doubt. You should work on your wisdom a bit.

            “Wise men speak because they have something to say, fools speak because they have to say something” – Plato

          • Timothy Horton

            A wise man once said it is better to keep your mouth shut and not show your ignorance than open it and remove all doubt.

            Then why do you keep talking?

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            “Wise men speak because they have something to say, fools speak because they have to say something” – Plato

            Congrats! You’ve earned yourself another Plato Award! You’re nothing but a bag of hot air.

          • Timothy Horton

            Royce van Blowhard keeps talking, keeps removing all doubt. 😀

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Thanks for showing the best ya got.

            “But what comes out of the mouth proceeds from the heart, and this defiles a person.”(Mat 15:18)

          • Timothy Horton

            LOL! Still removing all doubt.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            LOL! Still removing all doubt.

            Try taking a chainsaw to the Giant Sequoia Tree in your eye socket.

          • Timothy Horton

            Still removing all doubt. You already convinced us you’re a scientifically illiterate idiot. No need to belabor the point.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Still removing all doubt. You already convinced us you’re a scientifically illiterate idiot. No need to belabor the point.

            Anyone else can do the Google search I specified. Only a scientifically illiterate idiot completely dismissed a TWO YEAR multi-million dollars study without even looking at it solely because a Christian mentioned it.

            There ya have it folks. That’s all Horton has. Ad hominem and Denial.

          • Timothy Horton

            Where was this “TWO YEAR multi-million dollars study” published? In any professional science journals? Or did the clowns self-publish their nonsense on their own YEC website?

            BTW I’ve read the RATE report. Have you? Or are you just running off at the mouth regurgitating without understanding some lies you read on another YEC garbage site.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Heard of Google? If not, check it out. Give it a try sometime.

            “Or did the clowns self-publish their nonsense on their own YEC website?”

            Thank you again for showing your bigoted, close-minded state of ignorance. MUCH appreciated!!

            LOL. You’ve read the RATE Report. LOL Oh yeah, and I’m sure you read it with the same unbigoted, open-mind as you’ve demonstrated hear. You have NO credibility.

            If you’ve got a problem with the RATE Study, take it up with Larry. I’ll be seeing him in a couple of weeks. Happy to pass your number on to him if you’d like to send it to me.

          • Timothy Horton

            Heard of Google? If not, check it out. Give it a try sometime.

            Is that why you’re too lazy and afraid to Google “plate tectonics” and “seafloor spreading”? Scared to death you might accidentally learn some science and your tiny Fundy brain would explode?

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Is that why you’re too lazy and afraid to Google “plate tectonics” and “seafloor spreading”? Scared to death you might accidentally learn some science and your tiny spiritually-dead brain would explode?

          • Timothy Horton

            I think we’ve detected advanced senility here with van Blowhard. Pitiful.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            I think we’ve detected advanced senility here with van Blowhard. Pitiful.

          • Timothy Horton

            Even Galileo over 500 years ago figured out how marine fossils got on top of mountains by understanding the fossils were deposited before the mountains rose. I know Creationists as a rule are dirt ignorant but 500 years behind the times? Any freshman level geology book or even a 30 second Google search will explain to you how plate tectonics and mountain formation works.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            The only ones dirt ignorant and 500yrs behind the times are the ones still looking at Science from 500yrs ago.

            I suppose you still think the Earth is flat too.

            A wise man once said it is better to keep your mouth shut and not show your ignorance than open it and remove all doubt. You should work on your wisdom a bit.

            “Wise men speak because they have something to say, fools speak because they have to say something” – Plato

          • Timothy Horton

            The only ones dirt ignorant and 500yrs behind the times are the ones still looking at Science from 500yrs ago.

            You’re the idiot who’s too stupid to research even the basics of plate tectonics. Yet you keep opening your mouth and making a fool of yourself.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            You’re the idiot who’s too stupid to research even the basics of plate tectonics. Yet you keep opening your mouth and making a fool of yourself.

            A wise man once said it is better to keep your mouth shut and not show your ignorance than open it and remove all doubt. You should work on your wisdom a bit.

            “Wise men speak because they have something to say, fools speak because they have to say something” – Plato

          • Michael

            “Egyptology, originally expected to support the history recorded in the Old Testament, has produced a chronology that contradicts the Bible. This so-called traditional Egyptian chronology would have the pyramids predate the flood of Noah’s day; such cannot be the case, for pyramids could never withstand a worldwide flood.”

            “Though traditional Egyptian chronology dominates modern understanding of ancient history, traditional chronology is inconsistent with the Bible. When there is a discrepancy between traditional chronology and the Bible’s chronology, scholars usually ignore the Bible. ”

            This is citing “Answer In Genesis”. And there is PLENTY of evidence that proves the Exodus didn’t happen!

            Are you a “Young Earther” as well. If you are…our conversations are over. I refuse to battle wits with someone unarmed!

          • Kristin Solo

            Nice try but no deal ! The Bible as the inspired Word of God, is the first and last authority on all things- NOT the flawed opinions of mere men, more so the corrupt conclusions of agnostics and atheists.

          • Michael

            Again…all you get is
            “Blah Blah Blah”…
            because that is as much intelligence as you are showing me.

            Actually…you are down to just “Blah Blah”

          • Michael

            …and BTW…I do know what the Bible says about people like me…and frankly…I don’t care. The book is full of errors and can not be deemed “infallible” so therefore what it says about me is not true.

            See how that works?

      • Knowledge Transfer

        Look in the mirror!

        • Michael

          Looking in the mirror only proves I EXIST!

          • Knowledge Transfer

            Not for long! When you look in the mirror, there is no reflection because you don’t exist.

          • Michael

            Now that is an idiotic answer.

          • Michael

            an idiotic response!
            My daughter, girlfriend, all the bands I run sound for, all the people I do studio work for, my family, my friends…all know I exist.

          • Knowledge Transfer

            Birds of a feather should flock together.

          • Michael

            Ahhh, another idiotic response.

          • Knowledge Transfer

            You must be a PARROT.

          • Hannah

            As much as it annoys me to say it, there’s almost no point to conversing with Michael or Timothy. To quote my pastor: “Unbelief will never have enough proof.”

          • Knowledge Transfer

            Throughout human history evil aggressors have thrived on appeasement. We never learn. We pamper, pacify and justify until procrastination leads to explosions that kill good and evil alike. Truly, there is nothing new under the sun. Evil takes advantage of good because good allows evil to take advantage.That’s not what love looks like. Love looks like protecting the good from the evil not allowing evil to harm good. I don’t blame evil nearly as much as I blame the feckless who allow it.

          • Michael

            There isn’t even a shred of proof let alone a preponderance and convincing proof of your god.

            Go drink the cherry kool-aid Hannah

          • Tribtrooper

            They do, but in some cases they are crows or bats….

          • Knowledge Transfer

            If homosexuality is genetic, then:
            1) Why does the North American Man Boy Love Association [N.A.M.B.L.A.] have a marketing motto:
            Sex before eight before it’s too late”? Why is it so important for men to sodomize young boys before 8 years of age if being a homosexual is genetic?
            2) Why do the Lesbian Avengers have a marketing motto” We recruit! Recruit! Recruit! Recruit!”
            Why would lesbians need to be recruited if being a lesbian was genetic? Why the 4 successive recruits?

          • Tribtrooper

            Excellent comment and right on target! Perversion learned, not born with.
            Resounding AMENS!!!

          • Knowledge Transfer

            Thank you! Did you notice that the pretender to whom this fact based comment was sent DIDN’T RESPOND to it even with the usual contorted and convolutional mumbo jumbo.

          • Tribtrooper

            No, but I’m answering from y email notification right now. I’ll check later, I have to leave for work.

          • Knowledge Transfer

            No need to check. He didn’t as I stated.

          • Timothy Horton

            NAMBLA and the “Lesbian Avengers” (whoever they are) represent all non-hetero people as much as Westboro Baptist Church and the KKK represent all of Christianity.

            Amazing but you guys keep finding new ways to make yourself look even more bigoted and slimy.

          • Tribtrooper

            …..GOD know you exist too, and it is HE to,whom you will make a full accounting for your life choices…

          • Michael

            Blah blah blah

        • Michael

          Looking in the mirror…I only see me and the stuff that is in the mirror’s preview. I see no god or satan. If you see something else beside what’s in the mirror’s preview…you need to check yourself in.

        • Tribtrooper

          Let’s see Michael prove they DON’T exist. All he can do is run his mouth spewing his adolescent hatred for things he does not understand nor does he want to understand. Seems me that there is some very deeply buried pain in many of those who are so vehemently opposed to God and the Bible. Their vitriolic hatred is totally OTT.

          • Knowledge Transfer

            They themselves were abused at early ages after being befriended and then groomed by older perverts who had the same thing happen to them. It’s the only way they can reproduce themselves.
            Giving up children to them in any way is demonic. Why risk it? If all they ever wanted was to be left alone to live in peace, why have they been permitted to force people to salute their sodomy?

          • Tribtrooper

            What frightens me is that they are allowed to adopt innocent children! I have had opportunity to talks with them at my job, “spouses” and friends of homo patients in my unit, and they can actually be pleasant to talk to, quite respectful and polite, actually better behaved than some from “the hood” that surrounds my hospital who come in all tattooed up, ecru thing imaginable pierced,musing and ranting and refusing to follow our rules to the point we have to call security. To date, I have only had one homo patient in a long term relationship who DOSEN’T have aides. He is In the unit frequently because of other Heath issues and his “significant other,” AKA life partner is very pleasant and supportive. They are probability the only truly monogamous gay pair I personally have knowledge of. I would say that the vast majority have been either indoctrinated into this abominable lifestyle or ran with piers who were practicing it. I just say though, that I went to school with q couple of effeminate boys who later in life I learned were gay. But maybe they were childhood vics of sexual abuse. One thing I do KNOW, is that GOD DOES NOT create perversion then turn around and call rightly abomination. The devil plants those seeds in people’s minds.

          • Knowledge Transfer

            What people say is important. So are appearances. Yet you can’t judge the book by the cover. One’s actions are most important. If homosexuals truly loved themselves, they would stop using sexual perversion to kill themselves. It’s self loathing. Satan preys on the weak [those whose powers of discernment have atrophied] so the weak can eventually drag down the strong. The CRIME AGAINST NATURE is defined with one word: SODOMY. HIV/AIDS is the number one cause of human demise in the world from a single infectious agent and it was only “discovered” in 1980. HIV runs down the immune system allowing “opportunistic diseases” to do the actual killing. Once HIV turns into AIDS, there is no cure. Anti-Retroviral drugs can extend life; but the side effects can be as troubling as the deadly disease. Subsequent to HIV/AIDS being discovered, the Supreme-less Court established sodomy as a right. How can the cause of and the spread of a pandemic be confused with love?

            If you are monogamous male naturally paired with a monogamous female and visa versa, it would be impossible to ever become HIV/AIDS infected [save for infected blood contact by other means] because it would become impossible to be infected with the plethera of “sexually transmitted” diseases that weaken the immune system which is the cause of HIV. Homosexuals – especially homosexual men – have EXPONENTIALLY higher share of all sexually transmitted disease versus their tiny 0.8% share of the general population. This perverse pampering and protection in their behalf is part of a larger plan to depopulate the earth. When those who truly hate homosexuals [those who make it easy for homosexuals to do what homosexuals do], use up the homosexuals, the homosexuals will be turned on without mercy.

            In essence HIV/AIDS is a promiscuity driven disease and homosexuals are the most promiscuous.
            Therefore, the cure for HIV/AIDS is already known and it’s cost free.

          • Tribtrooper

            Yes, you are totally correct. I work in an intensive care unit and see it more often than I would like to hav to admit to. Homosexuals refuse to accept that their abominable perversion is the root of HIV/AIDES. We see in the news many times where these peop,e intentionally attempt to give their disease of debauchery to others, either not telling sex partners they have it, or even throwing urine on people or blood when they can. This is nothing more than the out working of the deminic spirits that I dwell them. They strip naked and hold parades in cities like San Francisco & LA, performing near sexual acts n public streets not caring that there may be children wittnessing this sorid filth.yet they want their PERVERSION to be accepted as normal, God sanctioned???? Not happening!
            “but for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murders and immoral persons and socerers and idolaters and all,liars, their part WILL be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”
            Revelation 21:8
            “You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an ab,I nation. Also you shall not lie with a an animal as you would with a woman to be defiled with it, nor shall any woman stand before an animal to mate with it. It is perversion. Leveticus 18:22,23
            Crystal clear, isn’t it!

          • Timothy Horton

            That’s some interesting claims there cowboy. Here’s some statistics:

            The U.S. with a population of 320 million has approx. 1.1 million people infected with HIV. That’s 0.3% of the population.

            Sub-Saharan Africa with a total population of approx. 500 million has over 25 million people infected with HIV, That’s 5% of the population. Sub-Saharan Africa has by far the worst HIV/AIDS epidemic in the world.

            Since you claim HIV/AIDS is a “gay disease” only how did all those evil gays end up in Sub-Saharan Africa?

          • Tribtrooper

            Those are the FACTS. Take them or leave them….You choice and at your peril.

          • Timothy Horton

            Yes, the statistics I just posted are the facts. What is your “gay” explanation for the massive HIV epidemic in Sub-Saharan Africa?

          • Tribtrooper

            Same as anywhere else…perversion, abomination, moral corruption. Take it you won’t God..you won’t win with me and you certainly won’t win with Him.

          • Timothy Horton

            Above you just said HIV/AIDS is a gay disease. Now you say it’s not.

            You just directly contradicted yourself in the span of two posts. That isn’t very bright.

          • Timothy Horton

            I see the Mods are protecting you from reality again. Deleting my post point out you just directly contradicted yourself only highlights your scientific ineptitude.

          • Timothy Horton

            Homosexuals refuse to accept that their abominable perversion is the root of HIV/AIDES.

            This is completely false. The biggest factor in the spread of HIV is having unprotected sex. The orientation of the couple does not matter one iota.

            Of course since unprotected sex is the biggest vector for HIV what do the Fundies want to do? Defund and close Planned Parenthood whose main product is providing free condoms to those who otherwise can’t afford them. Logic doesn’t just escape these people, it flees screaming from the building.

          • Tribtrooper

            Yeah, well Satan refuses to accept the that he won’t usurp the the very throne of a God. He and yon have some tuff lessons lying in wait for you it seems. Feel free to deny, deny, DENY, but your denials will mean diddly when you stand before our Almighty and HOLY God one day where you will confess that Jesus is Lord to the glory of a god the Father on be dead knee, but at that point your destination will be a done deal..the lake of fire for eternity.

          • Timothy Horton

            Blithering non-reply noted.

          • Tribtrooper

            Umm, there is a cure for unwanted pregnancy…it’s called self control and responsibility. People are not animals. We do not go into heat in order to keep the species alive. But you are still avoiding the FACT that HIV/AIDES began with the abomination of men lying with men rather than with a FEMALE , i.e. Wife.
            Twist, squirm, deny all you want. You cannot and will not change the facts. Not now, not ever. Godless men try to find ways of justification for there perversions, but it all boils down to God’s rule of law and HIS order of things, of which abomination is not included as acceptable. You can deny Him too, but that does not negate the fact that you WILL stand before Him where an explanation of just why you chose to commit heinous acts of depravity when he made His expectations well known to one and all and, from the very beginning. KNOW Jesus, Know peace…..NO Jesus, NO peace. That’s the facts, take ’em or leave ’em, but you won’t be changing them.

          • Timothy Horton

            Umm, there is a cure for unwanted pregnancy…it’s called self control and responsibility.

            Preaching abstinence to young adults with raging hormones has never worked since humans began living in permanent groups over 10,000 years ago. It suddenly won’t start working now. Humans are a social species and sexual intimacy is a key component of any couple pair bonding.

            The simple fact is having readily available contraceptives reduces not only the STD transmission rate but also unwanted pregnancies = less abortions too. But again the religious Fundy nutters don’t care about logic or results, only control over the lives of others.

          • Tribtrooper

            Oh contrare. It actually did work until public schools decided to first of all remove morality from and then indoctrinate our kids with “if it feels good do it” perversion. We are human beings, created in God’s own image. We have a capacity to control our emotions and urges. Granted, we can be tempted, but we can and do control our urges. Both I and my husband (I’m female, not male as you assumed) waited until we were married, as did most but not all of my friends. There is such a thing as self control and also parental responsibility and supervision which limits teens accessibility to moments of weakness. If you cant control yourself, that’s on you.

          • Timothy Horton

            It actually did work until public schools decided to first of all remove morality from and then indoctrinate our kids with “if it feels good do it” perversion.

            LOL! What a silly thing to say. Why do all the statistics from the last 50 years show the exact opposite of what you claim?

            I’m female, not male as you assumed

            OK, my apologies.

            Both I and my husband (I’m female, not male as you assumed) waited until we were married

            You seriously think because you did that means every teenager everywhere will practice abstinence too?

          • Tribtrooper

            I am well aware of the fall in morality in one youth today, but it does not, will not and cannot justify promiscuity, abortion and homosexuality. Sin is sin. I met my husband 50 years ago and yes, temptation was there, but we had something sorely lacking today…..patience and morality. Sorry you are lacking these things.

          • Timothy Horton

            It’s a demonstrable fact having ready access to contraceptives reduces unwanted pregnancies which also reduces the legal abortion rate.

            It’s a demonstrable fact outlawing contraceptives increases the unwanted pregnancy rate. Making abortion illegal does not decrease the abortion rate. It only serves to drive women to unsafe and illegal “back alley” doctors.

            QUICK QUIZ: If you want to lower the teen pregnancy AND abortion rates, what is the only proven strategy?

          • Timothy Horton

            But you are still avoiding the FACT that HIV/AIDES began with the
            abomination of men lying with men rather than with a FEMALE , i.e. Wife.

            More scientific ignorance. HIV evolved from SIM (Simian immunodeficiency virus) and was most likely transmitted to humans through the consumption of “bush meat” (from chimps and gorillas) by hunters.

          • Tribtrooper

            Horse feathers!!! If that were the case it would not have been spread exclusively the out male homosexual acts for years before effective g other groups. Yon can deny that this is abomination all yon want, but it is what God says it is. Now, make like a banana and SPLIT.

          • Timothy Horton

            If that were the case it would not have been spread exclusively the out male homosexual acts for years before effective g other groups.

            (facepalm) It didn’t spread exclusively out of male homosexual acts.

            Seriously, do any of the Fundies here ever do the teeniest tiniest bit of research befor popping off about what they “know”? How hard would it be to Google “history of HIV/AIDS” before making yourself look so clueless?

          • Knowledge Transfer

            Amen! The problem isn’t the evil doers. It’s the cowards the rationalize the irrational; pamper the perverse; pacify the perverted; tolerate the intolerable; sanctify the sordid; justify the unjustifiable; etc.
            In essence it’s the pansies who hide behind twisting the word of God to look compassionate which is an excuse for protecting the immoral and incorrect. It’s like permitting termites into homes made of wood occasioned with the baboon brained excuse that because termites eat wood [cellulose] keeping them out of homes is hateful.

          • Michael

            Hey Trib…
            I don’t have to prove a negative. I don’t have to prove Elvis still lives to people who believe he does. It is up to the ones who claim Elvis lives who have to prove it.

            Same with Bigfoot, Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy…AND YOUR PARTICULAR GOD.

            I understand your stupid god and the scriptures just fine. I don’t hate your god. You can’t hate something that doesn’t exist. That would be illogical…and I’m not an illogical being. What is illogical is your belief in this fairy tale.

          • Jim Walker

            Michael, I guess you came from a small bang…

          • Tribtrooper

            You really are even more pathetic than I could possibly have imagined…….

  • Joseph

    People are not born homosexual. people are not any sexuality when they are born. all that stuff comes later. born homosexual is a myth. many of these homosexuals were molested as youngsters.

  • Michael

    One is born gay just as one is born straight. I didn’t choose to be straight…it chose me!

    • ImaginaryDomain

      There is no science to back that up. We are all born male or female. Sexuality beyond that is a behavioral choice, and homosexual behavior is a really bad choice.

      • Timothy Horton

        There is no science to back that up. We are all born male or female.

        There’s a lot more to human sexuality that just physical anatomy. Sexual orientation is not a binary “male or female” but comes in a continuous spectrum from hetero to bi to homo and all shades in between. There is a large amount of scientific literature on the topic which people here love to ignore.

        • Deplorable Rican ☨ʳᵉᵈᵉᵉᵐᵉᵈ

          You are just parroting the latest propaganda talking point that had no SCIENTIFIC basis.

          • Timothy Horton

            I posted references to four scientific papers with evidence for a genetic component to sexual orientation. Had to post them five times because some unscrupulous person kept deleting them.

            Why don’t you read the papers then come back and explain why they don’t count as scientific evidence against orientation being a conscious choice.

          • Knowledge Transfer

            sexual orientation isn’t like like the game “let’s pin the tail on the donkey” blindfolded. The only real and sustainable definition of “sexual orientation” is when men are naturally and normally “oriented” toward women; and when women are naturally and normally “oriented” toward men. Otherwise, “sexual orientation” can also mean “buggery”…those who are “oriented” to have sex with animals. Also, “gender identity” can only mean male or female. Therefore, “gender identity” is determined at the instant of conception and reconfirmed at birth. Thereafter, when the hallucinogenic become distorted and confused merely stand them in front of a mirror so that they can see what “gender identity” looks like.

            Stop pampering perversion and pacifying perverts. Here we have an ALWAYS fruitless and often fatal [broken] 1.6% of the general population being permitted to change humanity [leading to the ending of humanity as we know it] without shots being fired due to gutlessness. Stop playing nice withe evil.

          • Michael

            “The only real and sustainable definition of “sexual orientation” is when men are naturally and normally “oriented” toward women; and when women are naturally and normally “oriented” toward men.”

            Says who?

            “Here we have an ALWAYS fruitless and often fatal [broken] 1.6% of the general population being permitted to change humanity [leading to the ending of humanity as we know it] without shots being fired due to gutlessness.”

            Calling them broken is coming from your opinion? Gay people ARE NOT BROKEN! It is your thinking that is broken!

          • Timothy Horton

            Another scientific illiterate chimes in on a topic he knows nothing about.

          • Joseph

            There is no science behind homosexuality only pseudoscience. people are who homosexual choose to be that way. there is no gene that makes a human homosexual. it is the humans who chooses to go that route.

          • Knowledge Transfer

            Moronic response.

          • Timothy Horton

            It was the response your ignorant strawman deserved.

          • Knowledge Transfer

            Wowie! What a lame limp wristed response.

        • Wil the Free

          No there isni’t. There isn’t just 4, I mean 20, I mean 38, I mean 56 (they keep popping up, don’t they) gender identities that scientists have suddenly discovered and have conclusive scientific evidence on. Try harder.

      • Michael

        Really? You actually think it is a choice?
        ImaginaryDomain…riddle me this…
        Do you find yourself attracted to anyone of the same sex? If you don’t, then you are not wired for homosexuality.
        Do you find yourself attracted to the opposite sex? If you do, you were wired for heterosexuality.
        Do you find yourself attracted to both sexes? Then you are wired for both.

        Pretty basic if you ask me. Better than an imaginary being written about from a book of fairy tales of whose authorship is in serious question.

        • ImaginaryDomain

          What difference does it make how you’re “wired”?

          If I told you I was “wired” to cheat on my wife, does that make it OK? How about alcoholism? If I told you I am “wired” to drink in excess, does that make it OK for me to drink myself to death and disease? Or worse, does my innate alcoholism excuse me from behavior that others may find objectionable (e.g., drunk driving)? Drug addiction? How about pedophilia? Do you think it would be OK if I engage in inappropriate behavior with children because I claim to be “wired” for pedophilia? (this one, I might add, is the next domino to fall as a result of the “gay” insanity our culture is embracing).

          It is the actions of the “gay” lifestyle that are the root of the issue. And don’t for one second think that these actions don’t have consequences. Real and immediate consequences that everyone can see, but many are afraid to discuss in the context of the “gay” lifestyle. These actions harm children, my children, psychologically. I do not think it is OK that I need to explain to my 8 year old about gay sex because she heard about it at school. This is highly offensive to me – but I used it as an opportunity to discuss some very poor choices people make with their bodies and their minds. These actions harm society at large. STDs in the “gay” community are rampant. Why? Because it is fact that the homosexual lifestyle is all about multiple partners, random hook-ups, “gay” orgies, and worse. (If you find this last sentence objectionable, you really ought to do some deep research of the cesspool that truly defines the “gay” lifestyle). Also, these diseases are starting to become resistant to our best medicines used to fight them. These diseases impact everyone directly in terms of treatment costs, management, and prevention (laughable).

          Fortunately, there is good news! There is law and moral principle found in the bible that would prevent all of this. So I choose to pick up my cross, resist my sinful nature (i.e., how I was “wired”) and hope that my brothers and sisters find my example as a way away from their destructive behavior.

          • Michael

            No one is wired to “cheat”. A non-issue. Now if a person is addicted to sex…that is a different story…thus my next point…

            There are people with addiction problems and they are wired that way. Haven’t you heard of “addictive personalities”? So alcoholism can be a genetic thing.

            Gay behavior DOESN’T HARM YOUR CHILD. Give me a break.
            “I do not think it is OK that I need to explain to my 8 year old about gay sex because she heard about it at school.” I heard about sex when I was in school. Not gay sex…but regular sex. My mom found it highly offensive when I told her. Kids are gonna hear things in the schoolyard. It just happens.

            STDs…people get them because they are stupid. Most of the gay people I know have been in long term relationships and are disease-free. Sure, hook ups are rampant in the gay community…but they are just as equally rampant in the heterosexual community too. People like sex. We are also predisposed to having sex. It’s a natural thing. And there are species that have “gay sex” in the animal world too!

            And us atheists don’t give a damn about the moral laws in your book of fairy tales…especially a book that promotes incest. So get off your high horse and nail yourself to your cross and live like you want…but don’t you dare try to force your morality on the rest of us cuz we won’t hear of it!

          • davidrev17

            Michael, it’s a curious thing indeed, to watch those militant evangelistic atheists such as yourself, vigorously advancing and/or imposing their purposeless, meaningless and nihilistic worldview upon others with whom they’re in obvious disagreement – with such purposeful fervor; especially when you’re utterly clueless about the self-refutingly incoherent parameters of your own vacuous smoke-and-mirrors view on reality – not to mention your wholesale ignorance of the difference between ontological claims, and epistemological claims!

            You aren’t even ballpark-close either, of having just a rudimentary understanding as to the scientific, philosophical, and moral elements of which make-up these worldview wars between naturalism v. Theism.

            Plus the apex of your subjectively-premised opinions, aka, self-refuting philosophical mumbo-jumbo – is wonderfully captured when you’re vehemently expressing such MORAL indignation against your adversaries – while ardently insisting that such is TRUE – particularly when your naturalistic/scientistic worldview allows virtually ZERO ROOM for any MORALITY and/or TRUTH as well!

            Yet you’re not even the slightest bit aware of this philosophical chicanery taking place in your tail-chasing dialogue of “pretzel logic” either. Hmmm….

          • Michael

            Being that you have no idea of my background, I will excuse your comment and strike it up to ignorance on your part.

            I have studied the scriptures in depth from the 3 Christian denominations I was raised in. I know the Bible better than most Christians. I went to Bible college and thought I was called into the ministry. You see, I was indoctrinated as a child and I was as vocal about my Christianity then as I am about my atheism now. The difference is (as Paul put it in I Corinthians)…
            “When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.”

            You see David, if the Bible is infallible (which it isn’t), and if God was all knowing (which we know he isn’t), he wouldn’t have made it so easy for people to misinterpret his word. He would have known all these things in advance. He would have made it to where it would be impossible to misunderstand what he meant. Instead, we have over 30,000 different brands of Christianity, all trying to explain the mind and nature of god. We know the flood didn’t happen. We know the Exodus didn’t happen, and we know that creation (as written in Genesis) didn’t happen. Once those three things are proved to be wrong, it doesn’t matter what the rest of the book says because the Bible’s infallibility has been proven to be wrong.

            So your holy book (as is true with the Quran) is no more an authority on god as you are. Ergo, you can use all the big words you want, all the allegories you want, all the metaphors you want, and at the end…it still means nothing. Because, like in mathematics, if you start the understanding of a formula that 1+1=4, and all the numbers come out correctly, the answer is still wrong because the basis of the formula is flawed.

            ANd that, my friend, is where you fail miserably.

          • davidrev17

            Aaahhhhh yes…spoken like the truly omniscient one, of whom you’re clearly not! And unlike you my friend, I was reared in a religiously neutral environment of which was lacking in ANY formal religious training. However, at almost 41-years old (I’m now 62) while going through some 19-months of separation & divorce from my wife, I experienced a radically objective conversion with the Holy Spirit of the Living God, as a result of being confronted with the truth of His powerful Word – and of course, the gospel of Yeshua/Jesus, Israel’s Messiah.

            And after almost 21-years now of studying Systematic theology (almost like a madman possessed with insatiable purpose), plus what I can consistently glean from secular science (i.e., from cosmology, astrophysics, and astrobiology, to molecular biology & geophysics); as well as philosophy, eschatology, philosophy of science, archaeology, and church-history – which has included the work of highly qualified Old/New Testament scholars and historians – I’m more convinced now than ever, that just because one is reared in a garage, certainly doesn’t mean one is going to become a car as a result.

            The biblical worldview – but particularly the strong, or credibly compelling historical evidence surrounding the life, person, work, death, burial, resurrection & ascension of Yeshua of Nazareth – has continued to experience serious validation – which naturally includes my seriously transformed life, from the inside-out!

            I find it so very tragic that you never experienced what myself & untold millions of other individuals have, during the last 2,000 years: meaning new hearts, thus new lives, and intimate day-to-day fellowship with the self-existent, non-physical, personal transcendent Creator of ALL that exists (including yourself) within this “contingently-existing” universe – through His Son Jesus the Messiah! Whatever went wrong in your life – between you and that non-existent God – certainly wasn’t God’s fault…as He’s “NO respecter of persons” Michael!

          • Michael

            Blah blah blah…
            There is no historical evidence of a virgin birth, or a resurrection, or an assertion. Nor is there any record of a Jew feeding a multitude of people with 5 loaves and two fish, nor is there any record of king herod slaughtering thousands of children under the age of two , nor is there any record of people getting up from their graves like Matthew describes in his gospel of the resurrection.

            You see, there may have been a man named Jesus. I can accept that. I can ever accept that he was a religious radical of his day. I can ever accept that he does for his beliefs. That is the “historical Jesus”. But you can not prove the Biblical Jesus. The gospels aren’t even written by the guys who everyone claims they were written by. They were written decades after the fact by unknown authors.

            And, according to the Bible, the whole book has to be taken as factual and literal. It isn’t. No Flood, no Exodus, no creation, and the world isn’t 7-10000 years old.

          • davidrev17

            So be it…as you’ve obviously never done any serious study, in any sense of that concept!

            So here’s one for ya’, since “martyrs make poor liars anyway”: Have you ever considered why Jesus’ inner-eleven-disciples, would willingly suffer martyr’s deaths (and they all did); especially since they’d initially forsaken Yeshua at his arrest – then fled for their own safety – yet for some reason?, they all wind-up fearlessly proclaiming His physical/bodily resurrection until they willingly succumb to martyrdom?? And what of those historical facts surrounding the life of the Jewish rabbinical scholar, Sha’ul of Tarsus, or “Apostle Paul”? Are you ignorant, or unaware of those too? Just who on earth would willingly die for something, about which they certifiably knew to be a lie??

            You can’t just categorically deny history, in true “blind-faith”-hand-waving-style, without offering your own superior explanatory hypothesis, in order to account for the several lines of historical evidence that’ve emerged in the aftermath of these events; of which, even today, are precisely correlative with the narrative provided in the New Testament – as well as the almost 20 extra-biblical ancient Jewish & Roman references, to the life of this non-existent Yeshua of Nazareth.

            (BTW: have you ever heard of the scholarly book, “The Resurrection of Jesus: A Jewish Perspective,” by the late [1997] Orthodox Theologian and Historian, Pinchas Lapide? He firmly believed that Yeshua’s physical/bodily resurrection was indeed an historical occurrence; yet very strangely, he ultimately denied that Jesus of Nazareth was Israel’s promised/prophesied Messiah, or Mashiach?)

            And are you at all aware that even the “doubting Thomas” – of whom had physically handled Yeshua’s resurrected body, then bowed & worshiped at his feet while declaring “my Lord and my God” – was martyred in, or very near Mylapore, India (circa 72 C.E.)? What on earth was he doing that far-away from Israel/Jerusalem anyway? Surely it wasn’t because of the risen Lord’s command called the “Great Commission,” in Matthew 28:18-20! (e.g., see the extremely objective [12/21/2015] article, “72 CE: Thomas the Apostle is Murdered in India,” by David B. Green, in the rather liberal Jewish newspaper “Haaretz.”)

            Anyway, when you face the “Judge of both the Living and the dead” (see Revelation 20:11-15) at some point in the future – meaning the Lord Yeshua (or God the Son) in all of His resplendent power and glory, where you’ll openly “bow and acknowledge His existence with your own tongue” – He will honor your volitionally rendered “no-vote” decision against Him, and His substitutionary work of love for you personally…for eternity Michael.

          • Michael

            Again…blah, blah, blah…the bible says…blah blah blah…see this verse, see that verse.
            Don’t you get it? You can’t prove God by using the false book.
            BTW…have you ever read the “Book of Thomas”? The “Book of Mary”? Those texts were found too but not part of the canon…why? Because they didn’t conform to the other nonsensical texts that you have as the bible.

            Speaking of martyrs, look at your extreme Muslims that blow themselves up for 72 virgins and heaven, look at kamakazi pilots, look at Jonestown, look at Koresh…I could site many more “martyr” examples. People do stupid stuff all the time. Asking why the 12 disciples decided to do what they did is the same as asking why did the examples stated above do what they did? It PROVES NOTHING!!! Maybe the disciples were nobodies who want to be somebodies. We will never know…but hardly proves your deity. At best it proves brainwashing, or stupidity…or both.

            And if I do meet a god in the afterlife, and if he is your god (which is highly unlikely) I would ask him why he failed so miserably! I wouldn’t want to spend an eternity with the likes of him…or you for that matter!!!

          • Timothy Horton

            I suspect we’re fighting a losing battle with these particular folks. You can’t reason someone out of the prejudice they weren’t reasoned into in the first place. They and their anti-social intolerance will be gone soon enough anyway. Still it’s good for fence-sitting lurkers to see what’s really going on.

          • davidrev17

            “They and their anti-social intolerance will be gone soon enough anyway.”

            Hmmm…sounds pretty intolerant to me Tim – as in the “Intolerance of Tolerance”! But of course you can’t possibly discern such spiritually-blinded hypocritical incoherence on your part; seeing as though “you can’t be reasoned out of the prejudice you weren’t reasoned into in the first place.”

          • Kristin Solo

            You need a spiritually infused moral compass Tim, lest you find yourself sinking in the mire of no return.

          • Timothy Horton

            LOL! Well no, I don’t. All I need is a certain group to stop trying to force their religious-based bigotry on minorities they don’t like.

          • Kristin Solo

            That is the typically unsubstantiated and predictably defensive response of those who have nothing of substance to say.

          • Tribtrooper

            If you don’t want to read the God honoring posts here, then why, pray tell, DO you persist in posting on a web site that is Christian based in the first place? Surely you could find an atheistic, godless blog where your venom wild be appreciated…or are you a glutton for pubishment? If so, you will be thrilled with the lake of fire coz it will be pubishment for all eternity..

          • Tribtrooper

            No,Timothy, what you are fighting a LOOSING battle with is Almighty God, and you will bow before Him and yer wicked tongue will confess that Jesus IS Lord to the glory of The Father. Then you will be whisked away to the lake of fire that burns forever and ever and your worm does not die. When you are trimbling befor Him, you will probably remember the KJV d folks who attempted over and over again to reach your sin sick soul with truth but you mocked them in contemtabke derision, but alas, it will be too late then.
            The fool says in his heart, “there is no God.” So, happy April FOOLS day.

          • davidrev17

            Hey Michael, have you become so indoctrinated by this pervasive PC madness, that you can’t even begin to apprehend the distinction between an actual “martyr” – i.e., those persecuted Christians who willingly submit to being killed by ANOTHER, because of living-out what they believe – and say, a homicide bomber; as in Islamic practitioners who slaughter OTHER innocent people, as a tenet of their beliefs???

            I mean, aren’t you even aware of the fact that Christians – namely those “infidels” referred to as “the people of the Book,” including the Jews – living in countries under Sharia Law across planet earth, are being mercilessly slaughtered , or murdered (i.e., martyred) by practicing Islamist’s in mind-numbing numbers, on a regular basis!

            However, when one commits SUICIDE Michael, ONLY ONE individual dies; thus the religious expression of Islamic homicide bombers, bears ZERO relationship to an individual of whom has been “martyred” for their beliefs. So there’s no logical and/or actual connection whatsoever, between ANY of the activities engaged in by those wing-nuts you just mentioned above – and those who’ve been martyred for their religious beliefs.

            Come on Michael…you oughta’ know better! David Koresh? Those who committed suicide in Jonestown for that nutcase Jim Jones? Or those 38 tragically deceived people involved in Marshall Applewhite & Bonnie Nettles’ “Heaven’s Gate” cult, who committed suicide, primarily because they believed they’d catch-a-ride on that extraterrestrial spaceship traveling behind the Hale-Bopp Comet, almost exactly 20-years ago? And kamikaze’s?? Get real Michael! You desperately need a remedial course on the concept of religion itself – not to mention Orthodox Biblical Christianity. And thanks for the kind words! 🙂

          • Michael

            David,
            What I’m getting at is all those people do stupid things. Some for “god”, some for country.
            All the examples I cited I would never do. I’d lay down my life in a second for my daughter without hesitation. That’s not a stupid thing.

            But when it comes to religion, people will do ANYTHING. Snake handlers who believe god will protect them. That’s stupid…but it is rooted in their interpretation of scripture. You have the sects of Christianity that won’t go to see a doctor. That’s stupid. But it is rooted in their interpretation of scripture. You would lay down your life if someone told you to reject your beliefs or die. That’s stupid, but it is rooted in your interpretation of scripture.

            You’ve never met this god, you’ve never heard him physically speak. You’ve never met him…hell, you can’t even prove he exists. But yet you blindly follow these archaic teaching and expect other Robby trying to implement laws to force that.

            I will fight that to the end. Good thing I won’t have to die for it. I’d move out of the country before that happens. Hell, of Trump keeps doing what he’s doing…I’m liable to leave.

          • davidrev17

            Why do you keep insisting that your de-conversion, or never converted status etc., is supposed to represent the only normal default position, for everyone to assume? How incredibly prideful and arrogant is that anyway? It’s like you think you’re far-more intelligent than every other Christian believer on this planet; not to mention the untold numbers of believers (brilliant and otherwise) who’ve lived honorable Christian, God-centered lives for millenia?? How so Michael? Don’t you even know that some of the most brilliant scientists that’ve ever lived during the last almost 500-years, were also Bible-believing Christians??

            Yet seemingly all-of-a-sudden, throughout the West – ever since post-Enlightenment philosophers, and men such as Darwin, Marx, Freud, Nietzsche et al. – mankind, rather curiously, began to giddily declare the “death of God,” through an exercise of pure epistemological sleight-of-hand; and did so, without having acquired a single-shred of evidence for God’s NON-existence?? Talk about deception! This state-of-affairs has been referred to by many respected thinkers, as being more like “a hostile takeover of Christian supernaturalism.”

            Plus, your false dichotomy of “it’s either God or evolution, scientism, naturalism” etc, has been thoroughly exposed, and rightfully dismantled/trounced by respected academic thinkers too. Then, what do you say about those utterly brilliant, world-renowned scientists, top-tier philosophers, and academic professionals throughout mainstream secular universities in the West, of whom are also Bible-believing followers of the Lord Jesus Christ?

            Even distinguished atheists such as Richard Dawkins, and his prized-disciple of NOthing, physicist Lawrence Krauss, have had to openly concede this embarrassing reality of knowing extremely bright colleagues, of whom are also faithful, committed Christians. So it simply can’t be a situation of there being a total lack of compelling evidence (or one’s intellectual capacity), in order for a rigorously compelling “Inference to the Best Explanation” (IBE) be formulated, in favor of God’s existence!

            Plus, are you suggesting that you were initially “wired” for belief in a Deity (earlier in your life) through the infamous “GOD-gene”; then somehow “RE-wired” by nature for atheism (perhaps supernaturally?) by the ever-elusive “GODless-gene”; thus having fallen captive to the mindless, purposeless processes of your neuro-chemistry alone?? That’s absolute insanity Michael! And yet you want to try and insist that you possess absolutely NO volitional free-will?? You can’t possibly sustain such non-sensical “neuromania,” when it comes to intellectual rigor either!

            Your entire worldview has been manifestly demonstrated (by distinguished thinkers in peer-review, open-debate, and books) to not only be foundationless, and pitifully self-refuting and/or incoherent – from the standpoint of logic and reason – but represents the epitome of raw self-deception as well. Happy thinking my friend!

          • Michael

            The god (as written in the Bible) does not exist. It doesn’t take a lot of thought to come to that conclusion.

          • Tribtrooper

            Yes, a lot of thought, and all of that thought impressed upon an already sin sick and weak mind by Satan himself…you were obviously so very easy for him to manipulate. Sad thing, that.

          • Michael

            Blah blah blah.
            I want you all to think about this. A majority of the people in this world (both past and present) according to your scriptures, have gone or are going to hell. Your ALL KNOWING and ALL POWEFUL God (in his infinite wisdom) created this being called Satan (who was Lucifer), who is winning the battle over good and evil. Your god is a weak, stupid god who can’t seem to make up his mind. First he creates an enemy that will defeat him

            Secondly, he regretted the day he made man (as is said in Genesis). Riddle me this…
            How does an all knowing being regret something he already knows is going to fail. He knew Adam and Wve would fail. He knew he was going to destroy all living creatures in the flood. What sort of supernatural being does that? A pretty stupid one. Kinda short sided if you ask me. Doesn’t make sense. But how would I expect you to understand that? You all are just as short sighted as the god you worship.

            Blah blah blah.

          • Tribtrooper

            blah blah blah…probably the most intelligent word at your disposal…are you going to be dying blah blah blah to Almighty God when you stand before him one day? Not a good choice of words…do’younkniw yoj will be also,held accountable for every soul’s inhale lead astray?,your kids will,be saying,mDaddy,,why didn’t you tell,us about Jesus? Now we are in these hit flames. Why, daddy? I suspect it won’t be your finest moment

          • Michael

            It’s only one child…and she turned 20 today.
            And no…your scenario won’t happen because if there is an afterlife…we will have no memories of this life for our memories are stored in our brain. I know you all aren’t big on science…but when your brain dies…your memories die with it. Hell…even before you die (in some people with dementia).

            You people really don’t think this stuff through do you? You just spew out what you’ve been taught to spew. Can’t think for yourselves.

            and the words “Blah blah blah” are all your arguments are worth!

          • Tribtrooper

            Humanistically speaking perhaps, but we will know our loved ones who are saved, the blessing is that those who are saved will not remember those who are lost. I’m There was a difference in Jesus’ parables. The ones without names He gave as examples. The ones with names were true stories Were real events. Lazarus who died went to paradise but the rich man went to hades. He asked that his brothers be warned so they would not go to hades as well. The rich man remembered his brothers which added to his agony. I know you will poo poo this, so be it. It is your loss, not mine. I’m not a total scientific loss, BTW. While I’m not a doctor, I have worked i nthey medical field for more than 30 years and I know many doctors very well. Mann are very devout believers — in spite of their scientific expertise. The fact is that the Bible IS true, it it the infallible Word of God. You probably more so, than someone who has never read the Bible, who perhaps never had the opportunity to, will be held more accountable for your denial than someone who didn’t have the same opportunity. Go your way. Live like there is no eternity, but when you learn otherwise one day, you will then realize your dreadful mistake. all that being said, Scripture says None can come to the Father unless they are called. Were you called and declined? I suspect you were else you would not have been in a Bible school. All the worse for you.

          • Michael

            “The ones without names He gave as examples. The ones with names were true stories Were real events. Lazarus who died went to paradise but the rich man went to hades. He asked that his brothers be warned so they would not go to hades as well. The rich man remembered his brothers which added to his agony.”

            Ummmm…yes…there is a name on this one…AND IT IS A PARABLE. It wasn’t true. Geeezzz…you don’t even know your own Bible!

          • Tribtrooper

            Go your deluded way. You have clearly hardened your heart to God’s truth. I may not have gone to seminary, but I know Jesus as my personal savior. He has spoken to me. Now make jokes about that too. It matters not to me, because I know who holds today, tomorrow and all eternity in His Hands. You have willfully blinded yourself to Him and His infallible TRUTH. That is your loss. We’re done here, now say bye-bye. Sure hope you like it hot and smokey.
            Proverbs 4:19
            Verse Concepts
            The way of the wicked is like darkness; They do not know over what they stumble. John 3:18:
            Verse Concepts
            “He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.” Have a nice life, while it lasts. . . .

            Sent from my iPad

          • Michael

            Blah Blah Blah

          • Kristin Solo

            It takes a scripturally illiterate fool to come to ‘that conclusion,’ which determines the eternal destiny of the damned .

          • Kevin Quillen

            don’t let the doorknob hit you in the butt! But you will be like all the others libs who say they will leave but never do. I really wish you all would just go. You are a reprobate who has closed his mind. You will face your maker someday. Luckily for you, He is merciful. However, it will not be fun for you. But you will bow to Jesus.

          • Kristin Solo

            It is glaringy transparent, Michael, that your vehement denials of the existence of God, embellished with that give away ‘blah blah blah’ frustrated mentality, is redolent of bitter personal disappointment that you have so far failed to find Him …..or else it is the consequence of gross nescience .

          • Michael

            Wow…you think that?
            Another person assuming WAY TOO MUCH. Lack of knowledge…I hardly think so.
            The religious wingnuts I have encountered in this thread only prove that they can not think outside of what their Bible tells them to…we call them “sheeple”.
            I went to seminary, I know the Bible…backwards and forward…and there is one thing I can say with 100% confidence…
            After studying the Bible for 18 years, (its history, its canonization process, its actual stories and all it has gotten wrong…ie creation, the flood, the Exodus)…that if there is a god, it isn’t the childish, mean, unjust one you believe in!

          • Kristin Solo

            Ha ! My point is perfectly proved out of your own mouth, Michael and if you are an honest man who values your integrity, you will have to admit what I already know , which is that you have a vastly diminished knowledge of the Bible and have barely scratched the surface of its fathomless depths, knowing nothing of its profound prophetic content, as it aligns with the historical record, current events and future foretold fulfillment.
            I am not familiar with the ‘childish, unjust, mean god’ you speak of… which affirms my conviction that you have never had a personal encounter with the Living God.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Hey Dipstick, it’s “Revelation”. And you’re gonna lose more than your head! See Revelation 21:8.

            When the spiritually dead try to read the Book of Life it’s like a blind man trying to read a road map before hopping in the car to drive. You have to get a heart transplant before you can have eyes to see.

            Whoever is of God hears the words of God. The reason why you do not hear them is that you are not of God.” (John 8:47)

            “The unbeliever does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him. And he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.” (1st Cor. 2:14)

            “There are some things in them that are hard to understand, which the ignorant and unstable twist to their own destruction, as they do the other Scriptures.” (2nd Peter 3:16)

            Now, it’s not the inspired Word of God and it’s not actually The Byrds but it’s fitting…

            To every season… burn burn burn…. there is a season…burn burn burn… the Lake of Fire is waiting for you….

          • Tribtrooper

            Sounds like you hit the nail square in the head Kristin! I have often wondered why some people are so outspokenly and adamantly atheistic. I have seen it several times where it turns out that they were victims of someone in the church, perhaps a priest, Or a children’s group leader. They wonder where God was while they were being victimized, and grow angry at Him when the fault must lay at the feet of the abused, not God. Many homosexuals are made by a pedophile who abused them as children as well. While their unbelief, or their own perversions are also on their own heads, it will be a double portion for those who victimized them to begin with.

          • Tribtrooper

            Will you bow to Islam to save your neck? That’s a religion too, you know…a false, demonic religion, but a religion nonetheless…

          • Michael

            I won’t ever have too. If you believe in Revelations…you know who loses their heads…and it ain’t my side.

            Of course I don’t believe that will happen…but you obviously do. Such a dumb argument.

          • Tribtrooper

            I will be ecstatic to be counted worthy to die for my Lord and God. No. Your head won’t be required on you as a follower of the antichrist, but I will spend eternity in the presence of God whereas you may skip the beheadings,,but you will not skip eternity separated from God and in the fires of hell with the one you followed, Satan incarnate. I’ll take,the beheading any day of the week, because I will instantly be with the ONE who died for me. Hallellujah! Baruch ha’Shem! Holy,,holy, holy is the Lord God Almighty, the whole earth is filled with His Glory!
            Sent from my iPad

          • Gary

            Incest is condemned in the Bible. All sex outside of marriage is condemned. And marriage in the Bible is heterosexual only.

            You can be as immoral as you want in this life, as long as the government, or someone else allows it.

            When you die, God will settle up with you. It does not matter if you don’t believe that, its going to happen anyway.

          • Michael

            OMG…HOW CAN YOU SAY THAT. According to your fairy tale, that is exactly how the earth was populated…TWICE!!

            When Lot was spared, your all knowing God knew Lot would sleep with his daughters in the cave…yet he was spared?

            Samson who had the eye for the prostitutes was bless by God.

            Should I site more examples from your fables or do you want me to bury you with more of your nonsensical book? See how inconsistent you are with your bible? See how inconsistent your God is within his own bible? Sheeezzzz…even Stevie Wonder can see it….it is sooooo blatantly obvious. Except those who are brainwashed in the blood of the Lamb!!!!

          • Gary

            The only incest that was allowed by God is when the sons of Adam and Eve married their sisters. After The Flood, there was no incest. Noah and his sons all had their wives.

            God did not approve of the sex between Lot and his daughters.

            God never approved of prostitution.

            You arrogant little puke. You think you know more than God and are more moral than Him. You will soon be but a bad memory to those who know you. And rarely remembered.

          • Michael

            So then there WAS INCEST. You just said god never condoned incest.

            What? No incest after the flood?…do the math Einstein. If it is only Noah and his sons and their wives…first cousins would have to procreate with each other, wife swapping from the brothers would also have to happen. Maybe you didn’t think you answer through.

            Nice to see your vial response in thinking I’ll be a bad memory for those who knew me. And rarely remembered? Really. Actually I’ve have records done in the 90s that changed dance music. Rarely remembered? Who do you think my daughter will think about when she run into a guy (probably like yourself…full of self righteousness and himself) and she’ll think “This guy is a religious nut job. I think I’ll avoid him because my dad showed me the lies that his religion teaches. In fact…she turns 20 this week and she know better already.

          • Gary

            No, wife swapping would not have to happen after the flood. But in your perverted mind, I can understand why you would think that.

            You are going to Hell forever. When you get there, you will wish you had never been born.

          • Michael

            There is nothing in the bible that says where Cain’s wife came from. The bible doesn’t explain a lot of things now does it? It is funny that you mention the bible doesn’t say anything about wife swapping and brother bedding their sisters or their own mothers or aunts or what have you…
            and then you are will to excuse the obvious incest with “they had perfect genes so gene degradation wasn’t an issue. But that isn’t in the bible. You assume that. Just like you assume the flood is true…BUT IT ISNT. NEITHER IS THE EXODUS. NEITHER IS CREATION.

            Without incest, Noah’s family would not have been able to populate the earth again…PERIOD! You people just don’t freakin’ think.

          • Gary

            Since I care nothing about you, I’m perfectly happy for you to believe whatever you want.

          • Michael

            And this is where the thread always ends… when the Christian is defeated with questions they can’t answer…because any answer they give always has “special pleading” in their explanation. They refuse to answer the direct questions because their answer will inevitably include some “God magic” and will sound utterly ridiculous to every rational thinking human being.
            Good bye Gary

          • Timothy Horton

            I call it the Flaming Flounce. When they froth at the mouth and tell you you’re going to BURN IN HELLFIRE FOR ETERNITY!! you know their arguments have lost. 🙂

          • Michael

            But they always try to have the last word. I love poking the beehive…they are so easy to get riled up. I love watching their heads explode.

            My theology professor at Bible college got that way with me that he actually rebuked me! I laughed. I still got an A in the class (because I knew the material around the fairy tale) it it irked him to no end that I aced the class.

            These people on this thread are amatuer debaters. They get stumped on a point and instead of admitting they don’t know (by saying “no one can know the mind of God”)…they change topics. Common deflection from a dying group of people. Pretty soon there will be no more of this deity crap. What I mean by pretty soon is a couple hundred years…it’ll all be gone. Too bad I won’t be around to see it…but i broke the cycle and I taught my daughter to stay away from it!

          • Timothy Horton

            It is the actions of the “gay” lifestyle that are the root of the issue.

            There is no one “gay” lifestyle any more than there is only one “hetero” lifestyle. That’s a sad strawman created just to demonize the non-hetero minority. The fact is there are thousands of different “lifestyles” of non-hetero couples which are the same as the ones hetero couples follow.

      • Blue

        Dear ImaginaryDomain. I do understand where you are coming from. but there is a third group born that comes from the confusion of genetic information, and that is the hermaphrodite, those born with both male and female organs. Although rare, this phenomena does occur, which i agree, with you on, that it is only a confusion of male and female alone, not a third gender type supposedly. So yes, only with a DNA test that has only recently been invented, can it be determined, which of these two categories is dominant in the hermaphrodite due to hormonal influence. But yes, normality would bear out that male and female are the only two categories in view.

    • Gary

      I was born a homophobe. I can’t help it, its who I am.

      • Knowledge Transfer

        Amen!

      • Royce E. Van Blaricome

        LOL. Good one!

      • Ruth

        Same here, I’m homophobic, bigot and whatever, they’ll call me for being against their detestable sin as what the Word of God says.

        Leviticus 18:22“Do not practice homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman. It is a detestable sin.

        Leviticus 20:13“If a man practices homosexuality, having sex with another man as with a woman, both men have committed a detestable act. They must both be put to death, for they are guilty of a capital offense.

    • Deplorable Rican ☨ʳᵉᵈᵉᵉᵐᵉᵈ

      Fiction of the highest order. The biology is basic to deny biology is to deny reality

      • davidrev17

        So what is your scientific evidence for the philosophical/metaphysical claim: “to deny biology is to deny reality”???

        • Brian

          same evidence (empirical) for “proof” of the scientific method

    • Knowledge Transfer

      Is there a rape gene? If there was would any sane society salute and glamorize rape and rapists? How can we be so intolerant of poor rapist? They’re only doing what their genes command them to do.

    • Joseph

      The human genome project did not find a gay gene and that is because there is none. you like many others have been duped into believing born homosexual lie.

  • My question is, where are the Christian Video sharing sites? If none exist, some good Christians need to start one. Vimeo is (I presume) a private company. We protect the right of private businesses – like bakers and florists who refuse to support, promote or use their talents to affirm the LGBT agenda. As much as we dislike it, that right surely applies to the other side – to those who want to promote godless lifestyles and speech. Just as we want to tell the LGBT crowd, “find another baker (or florist, or whatever), we won’t participate” we should likewise not be surprised when they say “find another video streamer, we won’t participate.”

    And thus I’m back to my original question. Where are the Christian Video Sharing sites? In this godless society, the church needs to get used to the fact that we no longer have the privileged, honored standing we used to have. So don’t expect all businesses to support our worldview. Yet we’re still called to be “the light of the world.” If that means building our own lights to shine, or in this case, our own video streaming sites that’s – what we should be about the business of doing. (Or simply spend the effort and money to stream from our own sites; it’s not that hard to do.)

    So again I ask, where are the Christian Video streaming sites? Or at minimum, those facilitating the streaming from our own sites. Once we have them, the battle we will need to fight is when the government insists we must display videos contrary to our faith – like those promoting the LGBT lifestyle, or those supporting Islam or ISIS. That is the point at which we must “stand firm” (Ep 6.14) and refuse to give in; telling such to “find another video streamer” just as we’ve been told. At that point, make no mistake – every facet of Christianity will be a target of attack: tax exempt status; funding for Christian schools; even the liberty of those who refuse to speak like the beast and call “evil” “good”. It is then we must stand firm, refuse to promote lies, and encourage one another.

    • Blue

      Duane, although i do agree that building Biblical Christian based sites is needed, it would seem that the agenda of the progressives is happening with a different intent in mind. They, in effect, have influenced legislation to put forward that ” You can have your Biblical Christianity, but keep it out of the public sphere, keep it in your Churches, keep it in your homes, keep it in your mind, but don’t bring it out in public. Such is the push to keep Biblical Christianity under ground in a country that cherishes Biblical morality. I see this article exposing this agenda. Much of business is public, given that its the public that buys the products. I also see this article exposing the agenda of legislating morality as the progressives want it. This is all just a shutting down of the truth behind the moral revolution going on. Once Biblical Christians can be herded into a corner , then they can be eliminated quite easily.

    • Royce E. Van Blaricome

      Amen, Duane! I’ve been saying for a LONG time now that Christians need to get into the marketplace and start coming out with alternatives to those businesses that are contributing to the forces of Darkness.

    • Ruth

      That’s true.

  • Mr. M

    So a ten second hug in Beauty and the Beast is push a radical gay agenda everyone needs to be frightened of, but a video saying you can and should change your sexual orientation is harmless? Lol. Good on Vimeo. Just made an account.

    • Royce E. Van Blaricome

      Good for you! Did you buy a seat in Hell at the same time? When you intentionally support that which God opposes, you are on the wrong side of Eternity.

      • Michael

        Blah blah blah.

        • Royce E. Van Blaricome

          A wise man once said it is better to keep your mouth shut and not show your ignorance than open it and remove all doubt. You should work on your wisdom a bit.

          “Wise men speak because they have something to say, fools speak because they have to say something” – Plato

  • Gary

    Unless there is some rule that prohibits Vimeo from rejecting videos they don’t like, they have the right to reject videos they don’t like.

    The people who run Vimeo are obviously sodomites. It is no surprise that sodomites support sodomites and reject Christians.

    I don’t believe that sodomites ever change. I don’t believe they ever become Christians, which would require them to give up their perversion. Once a pervert, always a pervert, in my opinion.

    • Wil the Free

      Completely false. You don’t know enough people. Perhaps it’s time for you to stop trolling and watch the videos that Vimeo banned on Youtube.

      • Gary

        Just because I disagree with you I’m “trolling”? Maybe YOU are the troll.

      • Gary

        I have lived a life sheltered from perverts. By design.

      • Royce E. Van Blaricome

        Completely false. You don’t know enough people. Perhaps it’s time for you to stop trolling and watch the videos that Vimeo banned on Youtube.

        • Wil the Free

          You idiot, I’m actually agreeing with you!

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Well, if I’m an idiot and you’re agreeing with me, what would that make you?

            Perhaps you should communicate your point better so that you are better understood? Why would Gary be a Troll here? Why would he need to watch the videos that show Homosexuality is not an innate trait that can’t be changed?

    • Michael

      “The people who run Vimeo are obviously sodomites.”
      An assumption formed out of ignorance, and a gross generalization.

      • Royce E. Van Blaricome

        On what basis do you draw that conclusion? You have proof it’s not true?

        • Michael

          Royce…those who make the claim in the affirmative have to back it up. I don’t have to prove they aren’t sodomites…YOU HAVE TO PROVE THEY ARE.

          Kinda like Trump saying Obama tapped his phones. Obama doesn’t have to prove he didn’t…Trump has to prove he did.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Boy howdy! Do you Liberals all go to the same place to have that stuff drilled in your head and learn to regurgitate the same ol’ mantra? When did God die and put you in charge of making the rules? NEWSFLASH” He didn’t and you’re NOT!

            That said, let’s say I did wanna play by your rules. Well then, you made the “An assumption formed out of ignorance, and a gross generalization” claim in the affirmative so back it up!!

            YOU HAVE TO PROVE HE IS AND IT IS

          • Michael

            Royce…
            You were the one who said “”The people who run Vimeo are obviously sodomites.”
            It’s up to you to prove it.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            I never said any such thing. Nice try and dodging but no cigar. PROVE YOUR CLAIM.

          • Michael

            I am sorry…you didn’t say that. It was Gary.
            I’m holding conversations with 5 of you on this thread. It’s hard to remember who made which outrageous claim straight.

            My apologies.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Apology accepted. You’re forgiven. Now PROVE YOUR CLAIM.

          • Michael

            Do you think Gary knows the people personally who runs Vimeo? Do think Gary knows (for sure) their sexual orientation? Do you think Gary knows (for sure) if they have butt sex?

            Gary by his own admission say “I have lived a life sheltered from perverts. By design.” So I can say for sure he doesn’t know them.

            How is that for proof? How is that for rational thought?

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Doesn’t matter what I think. You made a positive claim. Now PROVE IT!!

            Remember, you made the rule. Now practice what you preach!!

            The “proof” you just cited isn’t enough. Gary’s admission of a sheltered life isn’t detailed or qualified enough to prove your claim.

          • Michael

            Dude, it was Gary who made the claim they were sodomites. He the one that’s got to prove it. Don’t try to flip the script. I’m calling him out on his blatant lie.

            Blah blah Blah

          • Timothy Horton

            Michael, Royce E Van Blowhard has a point. It is possible Gary wasn’t posting from ignorance but knew he was posting a deliberate lie. He’s done so any number of times before.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Dude, it was YOU who made the claim that Gary made “an assumption formed out of ignorance, and a gross generalization” . So YOU are the one that’s got to prove it. Don’t try to flip the script. I’m calling YOU out on YOUR blatant lie.

            Blah blah Blah

          • Michael

            No…I’m calling him out. He’s got to prove HIS STATEMENT.
            Royce, you don’t understand how this works. Just like the ark…
            Explain how penguins got from Antartica to Mesopotamia, or how the kangaroos got from Australia to Mesopotamia…and back. Explain how 8 people all over the age of 100 built a monstrous boat by themselves with no modern tools. The Ark in Kentucky is a life size replica. How did those people cut all that wood, transport it, put it together to not leak…etc. IMPOSSIBLE.

            Sorry…he has to explain his comment.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            And I’m calling you out. YOu made the positive claim that he formed an assumption out of ignorance and made a gross generalization. So PROVE IT!!

            “And looking at them Jesus said to them, “With people this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”” (Matt. 19:26)

            “Looking at them, Jesus *said, “With people it is impossible, but not with God; for all things are possible with God.”” (Mk 10:27)

            “For nothing will be impossible with God.” (Lk 1;37)

            The fact is you made a claim and refuse to PROVE IT because you can’t. You just won’t admit it. Little men with puny minds have nothing but to climb up on the throne of their life and proclaim what is possible or not.

          • Michael

            Royce…
            Blah blah blah…
            You can’t move the goalposts. The fact that Hary is silent and because he can’t back up hos claim that he knows these people personally is proof enough he doesn’t know them. So dude…no matter how many verses you try to quote to cast doubt on my logical argument…(by telling me it’s possible he knows them by claiming a verse in the Bible claiming nothing is impossible through Christ…which is a weak argument) he doesn’t know them. PERIOD.

            I DON’T CARE what you or any other of these Bible thumping, no thinking people say…and since I’m battling wits with you (which you are totally unarmed) I bid you farewell.

            BLAH BLAH BLAH

          • Michael

            But you told me to prove that the people who ran Vimeo weren’t sodomites in this thread. And again…it is up to Gary to prove they are…since he made the claim.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            No, you made a positive claim that Gary made an “assumption formed out of ignorance, and a gross generalization.”

            Now PROVE IT.

          • Michael

            From Gary…
            “The people who run Vimeo are obviously sodomites.It is no surprise that sodomites support sodomites and reject Christians.”

            That is a assumption formed out of ignorance and a gross generalization.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Prove it! You made the claim now PROVE IT!!

  • Kristin Solo

    Hey David~ Truth prevails where opposition assails and as usual, my well loved and worthy friend, you deliver Truth with astounding skill and anointed expertise !
    Yes, we Brits have loosed the shackles of Europa and this sovereign nation is in the process of brexiting the EU against all odds ~ Praise God for that!

  • Royce E. Van Blaricome

    LOL! Still blithering, still too much of a coward to research plate tectonics or seafloor spreading, still making yourself look like a fool. But don’t let me stop your spittle-flying ranting meltdown.

    • Timothy Horton

      BIG LOL! Now we get the Pee-Wee Herman defense! You ignorant Fundies crack me up!

      I don’t need to research plate tectonics or seafloor spreading. I already know about them. I also know you know nothing of them from the idiotic statements you’ve been making.

      • Royce E. Van Blaricome

        Thanks again for showing all ya got. Just more childish, petulant name-calling and ad hominem from the spiritually-dead child of Satan. THANK YOU!! Absolutely LOVE it when you make our case for us!!

        As to your second point, I appreciate you showing your bigoted, close-minded ignorance of resorting to name-calling as characterizing someone as ignorant just because they differ from your POV.

        That’s the epitome of prideful arrogance and intellectual ineptness.

        • Timothy Horton

          You’re still blithering, still too much of a lazy coward to do the slightest bit of research before spouting off.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            You’re still blithering, still too much of a lazy coward to do the slightest bit of research before spouting off.

          • Timothy Horton

            Hi Pee Wee! I know you are but what am I?

            What an immature idiot.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Hi Pee Wee! I know you are but what am I?

            What an immature idiot.

  • Timothy Horton

    LOL! It sure is easy to “win” discussions when you have someone censor and delete opposing points of view. Keeping the Fundies insulated from reality is a full time job for their nannies here.

  • Knowledge Transfer

    Thank you! You are correct. The more the moronic, malevolent and Marxist myrmidons comment, the worse they become. Thy are raised in rage and lost in hate so much so that they commit suicide to prove their pointlessness. All we need go is protect ourselves from them by all means necessary.

  • Timothy Horton

    LOL! Sure is easy to “win” discussions when you have someone censor and delete scientific facts and opposing points of view. Protecting the Fundies from reality is a full time job for the nannies here.

  • Knowledge Transfer

    Preeminence demands exclusion not inclusion. Who in their right mind would demand that termites be permitted into homes made of wood and/or who in their right mind would welcome cancer cells into their bodies?

  • Knowledge Transfer

    We should all refuse to preside impotent in the face of their premeditated and orchestrated aggression because evil aggressors have always thrived on appeasement. Goal 26 within the COMMUNIST TAKEOVER OF AMERICA all 45 of which were presented to the United States House of Representatives and read int the Congressional record on January 10, 1963 states: “Present homosexuality, promiscuity and degeneracy as normal, natural and healthy”.

    The evil of this goal is that we now have a country that exalts all 3 perversions saluting those who wallow in them in one stench ridden package of ruination. Just a few questions:

    1) if homosexuality was normal, natural and healthy, why would it ever need to be presented as if it was normal, natural and healthy?
    2) wouldn’t such presentations be wasteful, redundant and superfluous?
    3) if presenting homosexuality as normal, natural and healthy was good for the USA and its citizens, why pray tell would it ever be a principal goal within the Communist Takeover of America?

    • Tribtrooper

      All of this has been allowed to come about as morals fell to lower and lower levels, which officially began with Madelyn OHare got God, prayer and the To commandments out of our schools and public venues. Ipof course the stage was beginning to be set sbut the influx of rock and roll and the seductive dance moves that went along with it. I know I’ll take it on the chin for that one, and I suppose it could go back to the roaring 20’s for that matter as well. I was a kid, but I well remember when TV cameras were not permitted to show Elvis except waist up because of his constant hip thrusts. It was quite shocking to the culture of that day. He was quite sexual in his presentation of music, and I believe he as the first one who caused the girls to scream, pull their own hair, rip their clothing like a bunch of loons. Then God was expelled and the downward spiral grew faster and faster. Next was “free love,” abortion, then homosexuality was legalized and on and on downward the spiral went till we have what we have today. . . A chief in godless society where right is wrong and wrong is right,mid is down and down is up. But all,this is necessary to bring about the end of the age, when many will happily follow the antichrist right through the gates of hell. It has always been a remnant who have been saved, and it will be a remnant at the end of this age as well.

      • Knowledge Transfer

        Despite the fact that John Adams our second president and the father of the American Navy once said: “Morality only is eternal. All the rest is balloon and bubble from the cradle to the grave”. The founders said many virtuous things yet none of them made it into the sterilized so called Constitution which doesn’t even make reference to God. The so called Constitution wasn’t built to last which is why what we now have is a Convolution. The Constitution means whatever some bought and paid for federal judge says it means whenever the single judge wants it to mean what he and his handlers want it to say. That’s what is called a precedent or a “Land Mark” decision – a decision ripped out of thin air by airheads all designed with premeditation to ruin the USA one bite at a time.

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