Jesuit Patrick Conroy: The Pro-Gay Catholic Dissident in the US House of Representatives

Rev. Patrick Conroy, the chaplain for the U.S. House of Representatives, participates in the United States Capitol Police annual memorial service on Tuesday, May 8, 2018.

By Joseph Sciambra Published on May 11, 2018

On April 15, 2018,  Patrick Conroy, the Jesuit Chaplain to the U.S. House of Representatives, resigned from the post he has held since 2011. It was at the request of Congressman Paul Ryan. In a sudden reversal of his earlier decision, on May 3, 2018, Ryan agreed to keep Conroy as House chaplain.

In 2015, Conroy participated in the “Owning Our Faith” video series produced by the Paulist Fathers. It was part of their “Out at St. Paul” LGBT ministry located at St. Paul the Apostle Church in New York City. In the series of YouTube videos, several members of Out at St. Paul are profiled as they share their views on homosexuality and the teachings of the Catholic Church. Here are some excerpts.

My gender transition was immensely spiritual to me. It was a journey … I think a lot of people think of this as just a physical journey, they just look at the physical aspects of transition, but it’s an emotional one, it’s a spiritual one.

If we leave it, if we abandon the Church then it’s never going to change. So we have to continue living here, being an example and encouraging other people to be that example because that’s what’s going to change the Church.

I think what’s interesting is that the Catholic Church probably thinks that it is accepting of gay people, because its message is ‘gay people exist and we should love them and not discriminate against them.’ But because the Church also tells gay people essentially that they need to be celibate, what the Church is saying is ‘you cannot live fully. You can be gay but you can’t live that life.’ And so that inherently is discriminatory.

In the past, Out at St. Paul sponsored and promoted several programs. These included:

On May 15, 2018, Out at St. Paul will host an official social gathering at a gay bar in Hell’s Kitchen.

Misleading the Sheep

During his video presentation for “Owning Our Faith,” Conroy said:

The Catholic Church does not have a teaching on sinfulness about who a person is. It is not a sin to be gay or lesbian or to be straight. It’s not a sin to be any race or any tribe.

In the 1986 Letter to the Bishops of the Catholic Church on the Pastoral Care of Homosexual Persons, the Vatican offered official Church teaching.

Although the particular inclination of the homosexual person is not a sin, it is a more or less strong tendency ordered toward an intrinsic moral evil; and thus the inclination itself must be seen as an objective disorder.

According to Conroy, because the Church teaches that sexual intercourse can only take place within a marriage between one man and one woman, a problem now faces the Catholic Church.

What hope does that ever give for a gay or lesbian person who desires just as a heterosexual person desires to commit their life to someone in whom as Catholics they have found the presence of the love of Christ, the presence of the meaning of their life in that person. Where to go with that is the dead end.

The Catechism of the Catholic Church has an answer.

Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.

Is “Christian Perfection” a “Dead End?”

Conroy continued:

It calls for a theology in our Church that I don’t think we have. We have a theology on all this stuff and the answer is gays can never engage in this and can never be married, but that is a theology that goes back centuries … before there was any understanding of human psychology, human individuality, human sexuality, all of those kinds of understandings … of the human person that weren’t as complete prior to these kinds of advances in understanding.

Fellow Jesuit James Martin is also a vocal supporter of Out at St. Paul. He later made the same argument. He proposed a radical reinterpretation of the Bible to fit a pro-gay narrative. Concerning the passages in Scripture which have traditionally been understood as condemning homosexual activity, Martin offered his theory.

All these Bible passages that people throw at you; I think really need to be understood in their historical context. I mean Leviticus and Deuteronomy and even the stuff from the New Testament where Paul talks about it once or twice, has to be understood in their historical context … certainly in Old Testament times, they didn’t understand the phenomena of homosexuality and bisexuality as we do today.

The Church Saw This Coming

The same 1986 “Letter” warns against just such a misinterpretation:

An essential dimension of authentic pastoral care is the identification of causes of confusion regarding the Church’s teaching. One is a new exegesis of Sacred Scripture which claims variously that Scripture has nothing to say on the subject of homosexuality, or that it somehow tacitly approves of it, or that all of its moral injunctions are so culture-bound that they are no longer applicable to contemporary life. These views are gravely erroneous …

In addition:

The Church’s doctrine regarding this issue is thus based, not on isolated phrases for facile theological argument, but on the solid foundation of a constant Biblical testimony. The community of faith today, in unbroken continuity with the Jewish and Christian communities within which the ancient Scriptures were written, continues to be nourished by those same Scriptures and by the Spirit of Truth whose Word they are. It is likewise essential to recognize that the Scriptures are not properly understood when they are interpreted in a way which contradicts the Church’s living Tradition.

Conroy Versus the Catechism

Conroy argued:

Human beings procreate male/female, but human sexuality isn’t just about that … it’s about so much more … I think Pope Francis has given the Church, has given us all permission to take these questions seriously and not just answer them out of a categorical system that worked for centuries because we didn’t have these kinds of complications to deal with because we either weren’t acknowledging them or we weren’t aware of them.

The Catechism states:

Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity, tradition has always declared that “homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered.” They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved.

Conroy concluded with:

How might God be present in the homosexual experience?

How might God be present in homosexual relationships?

And our Church needs to come up with a way of addressing that so it is absolutely clear that being gay or lesbian is no different in the eyes of God to being heterosexual in so far it is to be a member of our Church.

 

Originally appeared at JosephSciambra.com. Reprinted with permission.

 

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  • Ray

    So many false teachers today, in the church, leading many away from Christ. Hope we all know who they all are. Repent of all sins, every kind, every one, all the time, no exceptions.

    • Howard

      It’s more complicated than that. Some maliciously teach what they know to be false. Some pass on what they have heard because they are, to be blunt, weak or stupid. Some make ambiguous statements; some are silent; some say apparently contradictory things at different times or in different settings. Many move from one of these categories to another, or even into and out of orthodoxy, over time.

      • Mechelle Brown

        THE BELLA DODD MOVEMENT… A WOLF IN SHEEPS CLOTHING.. TRUE MOVIE PUT TOGETHER BY A PRIEST TO EXPOSE THE TRUTH OF THE ANTI-APOSTLES BOUGHT AND PAID TO DESTROY THE CHURCH FROM WITHIN>. FREE MASONS.. BUT THEY CANT.. MATTHEW 16:18

        • Howard

          Get off the cap locks.

    • Mechelle Brown

      ITS CALLED THE BELLA DODD MOVEMENT.. THE TRUE MOVIE A WOLF IN SHEEPS CLOTHING TELLS IT ALL

  • Stephen D

    As the homosexual church historian Diarmaid MacCulloch has pointed out, the priesthood, in both the Anglo-Catholic and Roman Catholic churches, attracts homosexuals and their supporters. This is because the professional environment in which they work is all-male, he says. MacCulloch sees nothing wrong in this. In fact he thinks all the churches are morally obliged as Christian institutions to embrace gays and gay marriage – of course!
    It is notable that the Anglo-Catholic and Roman Catholic churches rely on ritual and doctrinal statements to teach the faith. They do not give their congregations a solid grounding in the Bible. Human doctrinal statements and rituals are not enough to give church members spiritual protection. Good bible teaching is essential in churches, not an optional extra.

    • ImaginaryDomain

      Could not have said it better. As a lifelong (ex) Catholic, it pains me to watch this unraveling of the CC, but this is what you get when you rely on man’s laws, not biblical teaching. I moved my family away from the CC and into a bible-focused church long ago….

      • Skay

        There is a Catholic left and I would follow them nowhere.

      • stella

        Why ex? The Catholic follows only Christ and His teaching and NO man. A true Catholic learns his/her Faith and knows that there will be many false teachers but as a sheep knows the Shepherd, it follows Christ. Never leaves Him when He is attacked.

      • Maureen Van Dusen

        2 Thess 2:15 So then, brothers and sisters, stand firm and hold fast to the teachings we passed on to you, whether by WORD of mouth or by letter. If you read the whole Bible you would be Catholic. My brother is a Fundamentalist preacher and he ignores many key verses that points to the Catholic Church.

      • Tziggy

        If you left that long ago ImaginaryDomain, my guess is you had/have a childs understanding of Catholicism. Your post tells me you still have no real understanding. No comm box evangelization will bring you back. But as an (ex), ex-Catholic, I can tell you it’s the myths you dislike. Pick up a Catechism and read what Catholics believe and why.

      • radicalrepublican

        You gave up the Eucharist for clapping and singing. Bad choice.

    • J_Bob

      And what institution preserved Bible teaching & it’s distribution for almost 2000 years?

      • Maureen Van Dusen

        The Catholic Church!!

    • Maureen Van Dusen

      2 Thess 2:15 So then, brothers and sisters, stand firm and hold fast to the teachings we passed on to you, whether by WORD of mouth or by letter. If you read the whole Bible you would be Catholic. My brother is a Fundamentalist preacher and he ignores many key verses that point to the Catholic Church.
      1 Timothy 3:15
      if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God’s household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth. History and Scripture prove it is the Catholic Church Christ founded, if he is God he doesn’t make mistakes, though men do and have from the very beginning. Also John 21:25 says that not all things concerning Christ’s work is found in Scripture. The CC is wounded now, but as the Blessed Virgin has said in her many apparitions around the world (she is the new eve) it will be betrayed by it’s own and will be purified by God’s hand. All Protest ant denominations will return to the CC.

      • Kathy

        Maureen, please reconsider putting your trust in the apparitions you mentioned. 2 Corinthians 11:14 “And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. 2 Thessalonians 2:9 “The coming of the lawless one is by the activity of Satan with all power and false signs and wonders.” According to these verses, there is no way of knowing who was actually making these appearances.

        • Mechelle Brown

          Its not putting your trust in them It is knowing that GOD has sent them for a reason to convert the world for the salvation of SOULS because so many cannot believe by FAITH alone like some of us. I go yearly to MEDJUGORJE and have been to LOURDES and FATIMA.. great miracles have been granted by Our Lord for the conversion of sinners and the non-believers. The fruits are there and they last that is the difference between something that is Demonic. Exoricist priests have been to all these sites and they know what is Demonic and what is not. the visionaries have been tested in every imaginable way and have passed all of the test and proven true. The devil cannot give GOD glory for the conversion of souls . Men to priest, women to Nuns, Prostitutes to NUNS !! the list goes on and on

        • Maureen Van Dusen

          Jesus said “by there fruits you will know them.” Don’t ignore ALL the Scriptures. Those who have been to these apparitions, many have been healed of incurable diseases. Jesus said there would be signs in the sun moon and stars and there are many who see the miracle of the sun. Statues crying tears and tears of blood which have been analyzed and to be human and the same blood type as the Shroud of Turin. Many healings of the heart and conversions. The Virgin is asking for increased prayer and fasting. The devil would not ask for fasting or prayers. Kathy, The Catholic Church is the true Church.1 Timothy 3:15
          if I am delayed, you will know how people ought to conduct themselves in God’s household, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and foundation of the truth

          • Kathy

            If you mean that we must take all of Scripture into account and not take verses out of context, I certainly agree with you. I’m not sure how 1 Timothy 3:15 is referencing the CC in particular, though. From what I understand after reading John 3 as well, the true church, or those in God’s household, consists of all born again believers in all Christian faith traditions (including Messianic Jewish believers), not just those whose affiliation is with CC.

          • Maureen Van Dusen

            It was the Catholic Church from the very beginning if you read the Early Christian writings, John 21:25 says that not everything concerning Christ’s work is found in Scripture. Read William Jurgen’s works the Faith of the Early Fathers volume 1, 2, 3. In the first century the church was called Catholic. Any church that does not have a valid priesthood, all seven sacraments is not Catholic. The following is taken from EWTN website:

            Very early in post-apostolic times, however. the Church did acquire a proper name–and precisely in order to distinguish herself from rival bodies which by then were already beginning to form. The name that the Church acquired when it became necessary for her to have a proper name was the name by which she has been known ever since-the Catholic Church.

            The name appears in Christian literature for the first time around the end of the first century. By the time it was written down, it had certainly already been in use, for the indications are that everybody understood exactly what was meant by the name when it was written.

            Around the year A.D. 107, a bishop, St. Ignatius of Antioch in the Near East, was arrested, brought to Rome by armed guards and eventually martyred there in the arena. In a farewell letter which this early bishop and martyr wrote to his fellow Christians in Smyrna (today Izmir in modern Turkey), he made the first written mention in history of “the Catholic Church.” He wrote, “Where the bishop is present, there is the Catholic Church” (To the Smyrnaeans 8:2). Thus, the second century of Christianity had scarcely begun when the name of the Catholic Church was already in use.

          • Kathy

            Yes, John 21:25 does say that, but how can we know what those “many other things” were if they are not contained in Scripture? Isn’t everything else just speculation?

            Even a cursory reading of the teachings of Jesus and His apostles in the NT reveals there is no mention of a papacy, worship/adoration of Mary (the Immaculate Conception, her perpetual virginity, her assumption into heaven nor her co-redemptrix status), praying the rosary, petitioning saints in heaven for prayers and intercession, apostolic succession, ordinances of the church functioning as sacraments, infant baptism, confession of sin to a priest, purgatory, indulgences or equal authority of church tradition and Scripture. Mark 7:7-8 “in vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines the precepts of men. You leave the commandment of God, and hold fast the tradition of men.”

            How did the RCC determine that these beliefs, practices and doctrines needed to be added to the sufficiency of God’s Word?

          • Maureen Van Dusen

            Kathy you have thrown a lot at me and I can answer them all. I can only do a little at a time though because I’m at work and I deal with people all day long the following verse includes all the rest, but I will try to answer them throughout the day if I can. ◄ John 16:13 ►
            But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all the truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come.

          • Kathy

            I know, no worries Maureen. I prefer to just wait for the evening when I have more time to write, but wanted to reply so you wouldn’t feel you must respond in detail.

            I am no expert on the CC, but I was there for a long time with my Catholic husband. I have access to information on the comparison between the CC beliefs and orthodox Biblical Christian ones, but thanks for the book suggestion anyway.

            From what I understand, John 16:13 is that the Holy Spirit, the “Spirit of Truth”, opens up God’s Word in Scripture (2 Timothy 3:15-17 and Psalm 19:7-10) to all true believers. More later…

          • Maureen Van Dusen

            Our computer has been down. Kathy I could go back and forth all day with you but I don’t have time. My brother left Catholicism for Fundamentalism and I have debated with him for years. All the truths the Catholic Church hold to be true is found in Scripture and Tradition (2 Thess 2:15) which shows Tradition passed by word of mouth is not what Jesus was talking about when he said “traditions of men.” Debating with my brother only confirmed to me that the Catholic Church was founded by Jesus. If he is God he does not make mistakes though men within the church do and have from the very beginning. History and Scripture prove the Catholic Church is the church founded by Christ. One thing is true that only Christ’s church would not allow artificial contraception, the Holy Spirit cannot allow something so evil when the bible shows it is wrong, In Genesis God slew Onan, Judah’s son for spilling his seed. Only the Catholic Church does not allow artificial contraception. A friend of mine told me that I had unconfessed mortal sin back in the 90’s. I racked my brain and remembered one. I had givein advice to two siblings to get there tubes tied when my faith was not strong. I went to confession to a priest (which was in practice in the early church if you would do your homework) and the Holy Spirit rushed through my body. I was not expecting this. No one could ever convince me that the Catholic church is not the church Jesus founded.

          • Kathy

            I get it, Maureen…you are right, no point in going back and forth. One more thing I am curious about, though. What do you mean by Fundamentalist? If you mean something like Charasmatic, I cannot at all relate to that either…seems over-the-top to me and rather questionable.

            We are VERY much like the CC on moral issues, unlike many mainline Protestant denominations (I was raised a Lutheran) who are not and have really gone off the rails lately in many respects. Contraception has not been “on the table” in my church, but if a person does not believe in using it, they can abstain on their own based on their own conscious and beliefs based on Scripture.

            Sounds like you may have had that new birth experience after confession (you felt compelled to repent like I did) referenced in John 3. I confessed directly to God, though, and it was so emotionally draining, I knew He prompted it. I know another Catholic that said he felt “born again” in the CC as well. However, there are many, including myself, that were not in the CC (I had stopped going) at the time that have been transformed through God’s grace in Christ. So, I don’t believe that it is a particular church that is responsible, it is Holy Spirit working in us through different and personal means. That’s why I said that all born again believers in all Christian faith traditions are the true Church.

            I just deleted two other paragraphs I wrote before I realized that I could just recommend an Inspiration article on the Stream called “Loving Jesus Passionately” by Wade Trimmer, posted on March 10th. It’s what our faith should be all about. I like this as well by CH Spurgeon “The life of faith is represented as receiving an act that implies the very opposite of anything like merit. It is simply the acceptance of a gift.”

          • Maureen Van Dusen

            The only thing Kathy is that Scripture itself says that private interpretation can lead a person in the wrong direction: 2 Peter 1:20″First, you must understand this: No prophecy in Scripture is a matter of one’s own interpretation.” A divine guide is needed, the Catholic Church is the Church Christ founded and he left the Holy Spirit to guide it into all truth Jn 16- 13:15. If God slew Onan for spilling his seed it means it is wrong to do so or make yourself infertile, it is a mortal sin. As for saints intercession it is in the book of Rev 8:4 “then another angel, who had a golden censer, came and stood at the altar. He was given much incense to offer, along with the prayers of all the saints, on the golden altar before the throne.” As for the Blessed mother, in the Gospel of Luke it says all generations will call her blessed. She is the woman of Genesis 3:15 and Rev 12. Jesus calls her woman at the wedding of Cana and at the foot of the cross when he leaves her to the Apostle John. The Trinity is believed by all Christians, but it is implied. you won’t find the word Trinity in Scripture, same with many Catholic beliefs. When Pope Pius the XII declared the Assumption of Mary in 1958, he witnessed the miracle of the sun three times. She is the new eve.

          • Kathy

            –Interpretation: The “divine guide” is the Holy Spirit that indwells the individual believer and “guides us into all truth.” Priests, etc. do not have an exclusive claim on that guidance that other believers are not privy to. John 16:13-15 is Jesus speaking to His disciples who will soon receive the Holy Spirit, who we also receive when we are “born of the Spirit” at our new birth. Again, John 3.

            –Contraception: Couples using it are trying to prevent pregnancy. If a couple uses natural family planning as the CC encourages (or even abstinence for extended periods of time), aren’t they also trying to prevent pregnancy? They are certainly not letting nature takes it’s course.

            –Saints: 1 Timothy 2:5 “For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus” We are all praying saints (prayers of the saints) Maureen, not just those in heaven chosen by the CC. We are chosen by God Himself, which sounds much more legitimate to me.

            –Mary: Yes, all generations will call her blessed. Her sinless nature is refuted, though, by Luke 1:47 “and my spirit rejoices in God my Savior”. No need for a savior if she is sinless. I believe the following would apply to “saints” as well. Exodus 20:4-5 “You shall not make for yourself a graven image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath….you shall not bow down to them or serve them; for the Lord your God am a jealous God….Those are pretty strong warnings. Romans 1:25 “because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever!” Mary’s presumed assumption is elevating her to deity status, as if she MUST have been taken up like Jesus was. Would just reiterate my concern about apparitions regarding the miracles you referenced.

            –Rev 12: I have read that it’s a reference to Israel, the twelve stars denoting the 12 tribes of Israel. Did not think you wanted to go back and forth, but wanted to answer your posts.

          • Maureen Van Dusen

            The Divine Guide is the Holy Spirit yes, through the Catholic Church. 2 Pet 1:20 says private interpretation is not acceptable. If everyone comes up with a different Interpretation then it is not of the Holy Spirit. Natural Family Planning still leaves it open to God to work. You are using self control during the fertile time, you are depositing the man’s seed not withdrawing and you are not using chemicals that make you infertile. NFP is used to space children or if one has a physical illness or impairment. we are all co-redeemers, co means with Colossians 1:24
            Now I rejoice in what I am suffering for you, and I fill up in my flesh what is still lacking in regard to Christ’s afflictions, for the sake of his body, which is the church. REv 12 is the church and Mary since she bore Jesus. Rev 8-4 clearly shows that the saints intercede before God’s throne. If you have pictures in your home you have graven images. God had statues of angels in the temple and on the ark of the covenant. the command was clearly not to worship images or God would not have commanded them to

          • Maureen Van Dusen

            On Infant Baptism: Peter explained what happens at baptism when he said, “Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit” (Acts 2:38). But he did not restrict this teaching to adults. He added, “For the promise is to you and to your children and to all that are far off, every one whom the Lord our God calls to him” (2:39). We also read: “Rise and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on his name” (Acts 22:16). These commands are universal, not restricted to adults. Further, these commands make clear the necessary connection between baptism and salvation, a
            connection explicitly stated in 1 Peter 3:21: “Baptism . . . now saves you, not as a removal of dirt from the body but as an appeal to God for a clear conscience, through the resurrection of Jesus Christ.”

          • Kathy

            Were you able to find the article I mentioned?

            Infant baptism: Infants cannot “repent”, they cannot “rise”, they cannot “call on His name”, and how do we know if the “Lord our God calls to him”? The infant can make no profession of that.
            I was baptized as an infant, but I was not “in Christ” until just 6 years ago. I was a nominal Christian, at best, even though I was sprinkled with water, which is unbiblical. People were immersed in Scripture.

            Will reply to your other post later, Maureen.

          • Maureen Van Dusen

            But the Bible clearly states that the promise is to you and to your children:”For the promise is to you and to your children and to all that are far off, every one whom the Lord our God calls to him” (2:39). As long as water is used Baptism is real. You people strain at a knat and swallow a camel. you ignore verses and keep harping on born again.

          • Kathy

            What you seem to be saying is that the many people that just show up in church every week and go through the motions, as I once did, are the same as those who experienced a transformation and are now “new creatures” who were baptized by the Holy Spirit. What good did my water baptism do me as a clueless infant? An atheist could be baptized with water if that is ALL it takes for salvation. I used to think that “born again” was some weird fundamentalist term until I actually experienced it, Maureen.

          • Maureen Van Dusen

            Baptism still wipes original sin from our souls. Each sacrament including Baptism is an outward and visible sign of inward and spiritual divine grace given by God. An infant may still be clueless, but when a parent brings there child to be baptized they promise before God to raise that child in the faith. They bring God-parents who make the same promise if the child’s parent should die or God forbid in some way are not able to teach the child about God. The Scriptures say to train a child in the way he should go and that is what parents promise at the child’s baptism.

          • Kathy

            Yes, the parents and godparents make a pledge to bring the child up in the faith (training a child). Why not just dedicate the child to God like they did in the Temple and make that same pledge? Even the verses you quoted included the words “repent”, “believe” ” call on the name of the Lord” before water baptism. The Holy Spirit convicts us to do those things, but a baby is incapable of being convicted.

            Our faith has to be personal…we can not rely on our family’s faith or on our particular church. God’s grace, love and forgiveness is bestowed upon us individually and we either accept it or reject it…no one can do that for us.

          • Maureen Van Dusen

            ◄ Acts 2:38 ►
            Peter said to them, “Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. 39“For the promise is for you and your CHILDREN and for all who are far off…
            Kathy from years of debating with my Fundamentalist brother I found that even when it is in the Bible a Fundamentalist will still hang on to his/her pre-conceived beliefs.

          • Kathy

            You never explained what you mean by Fundamentalist. Never heard of that faith affiliation. Does he claim to have experienced the “new birth?”

            So, you don’t think your faith is personal, it’s something passed down by your parents? Is it exactly the same as their faith is other than denomination?

          • Kathy

            Saw your other post from today on my phone earlier, but can’t find it now.

          • Maureen Van Dusen

            Ask God why he had angels put in the temple and on the ark of the covenant. If you have images of pictures your in trouble then.

          • Kathy

            Yes, there were angel figures that God commanded be included on the ark. Luke 4:8 “And Jesus said “it is written “You shall worship the Lord your God and Him only shall you serve”. I don’t think the people were told to revere the figures in any way. I have seen photos of the pope kissing the feet of the statue of Mary and bowing in front of and kissing the case with the Shroud of Turin in it. That is the issue…as in Exodus, you are not to bow down to any idol. Any kind of misplaced reverence.

            I have wondered if I should even have pictures of Christ in my house. They are more realistic than most since He was a middle eastern Jew and not a sickly looking white European, as portrayed in many paintings and on crucifixes. Of course, we have no idea what He really looked like.

          • Maureen Van Dusen

            An idol is anything that replaces the one, true God. The most prevalent form of idolatry in Bible times was the worship of images that were thought to embody the various pagan deities. Christians do not worship statues and pictures. Have you never kissed the picture of a loved one? this is not idolatry. I have never seen anyone bowing before a statue. A statue or picture of Christ or saints are holy reminders. We kneel in prayer to the one true God before holy reminders.

          • Kathy

            Please explain what the pope was doing then.

            Pagan deities: Did you realize that the “Queen of Heaven”, as your church refers to Mary, was a pagan goddess called by the same title? God did not specify “pagan” anyway, He said anything. Anything other than God can become an idol to us, even our family members. It’s a tricky thing to overcome, so why add more distractions in the church for us to deal with?

            Why do you need, what I call, “props” to be reminded of Christ? Do you need statues or pictures to be reminded of your human loved ones? It all has the appearance that you are praying to and worshiping these “reminders”.

          • Maureen Van Dusen

            A true Fundamentalist response. Judging. If you don’t know what the Pope was doing, then why do you expect me to know. You are judging him to be worshiping the statue. As for Mary, Bathsheba was the Queen mother of King Solomon, therefore Mary is the Queen mother of the King Jesus.

          • Kathy

            What makes you think I am a fundamentalist, whatever that is. Are you judging me? I am an orthodox Biblical Christian, Maureen. I belong to a non-denominational church. I was raised in the Lutheran church and attended and raised our sons for many years in the CC. My husband was a cradle Catholic.

          • Maureen Van Dusen

            You sound like one. In the New Testament we read that Lydia was converted by Paul’s preaching and that “She was baptized, with her household” (Acts 16:15). The Philippian jailer whom Paul and Silas had converted to the faith was baptized that night along with his household. We are told that “the same hour of the night . . . he was baptized, with all his family” (Acts 16:33). And in his greetings to the Corinthians, Paul recalled that, “I did baptize also the household of Stephanas” (1 Cor. 1:16).

          • Kathy

            So, you are judging me just like you said I am judging the pope. We make judgements all the time about everything..I am sure you agree.

            Those passages don’t tell us whether or not the rest of the household professed belief or not. So, we can’t say one way or the other, it seems to me. “Lydia was converted by Paul’s preaching”, not by baptism with water. The jailer converted by Paul and Silas, not by water first. This refutes, to me, that conversion begins with water baptism.

            All I know, Maureen, is that my brother was baptized as an infant and may as well be an atheist right now. He does not refer to himself as one, but he behaves as one. How is that explained? He is far from the only one.

          • Maureen Van Dusen

            Only fundamentalists believe infants should not be baptized: Early Christian writings on infant baptism: The present Catholic attitude accords perfectly with early Christian practices. Origen, for instance, wrote in the third century that “according to the usage of the Church, baptism is given even to infants” (Holilies on Leviticus, 8:3:11 [A.D. 244]). The Council of Carthage, in 253, condemned the opinion that baptism should be withheld from infants until the eighth day after birth. Later, Augustine taught, “The custom of Mother Church in baptizing infants is certainly not to be scorned . . . nor is it to be believed that its tradition is anything except apostolic” (Literal Interpretation of Genesis 10:23:39 [A.D. 408]).

          • Maureen Van Dusen

            Col 2:11-12 says that Baptism replaces circumcision. Who generally was circumcised? Infants.

        • Maureen Van Dusen

          My daughter-in-law was baptized as an adult and she committed adultery after she married my son.

          • Kathy

            I am so sorry to hear that, Maureen. How sad for your son AND you. Anything that hurts your child hurts you. I really feel for you.

            I think that is another reason that water baptism does not save you, it is a heart change that does. A transformation initiated by God, through His Spirit. We will still deal with remnants of our flesh, our sin nature. Even the Apostle Paul lamented about that.

            I knew nothing about this 6 years ago, until I experienced it myself. I always cite the thief on the cross…he was saved through his faith and trust in Jesus, not water. God brought about that heart change in him.

            Again, I’m so sorry.

      • Mechelle Brown

        YES THEY WILL.. our lost brothers and sisters in Christ who have been betrayed by Luther leaving the church and starting PROTESTISM… the work of the Satan. .I am a 17 year convert Praise GOD

    • Todd19731950

      But ONLY Bible teaching formed by the teaching authority of the Catholic Church, who alone has the authority to teach, govern and sanctify. God’s is not looking for more Bible studies, He wants more folks at the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass, consuming His Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity.

    • Mechelle Brown

      We have bible study every week by great Theologians and the bible is not the problem. You have to READ it first then put what you read in to ACTION

  • Tianzhu

    Catholicism sounds conservative only on paper. In practice, they tolerate just about every form of sexual sin.

    • stella

      Not they. Some.

    • Todd19731950

      No, the Church herself, as the mystical body of Christ, does not tolerate it. We have some folks sowing tares amidst the wheat (weeds among the wheat). A good honest confession is such a beautiful remedy.

    • Mechelle Brown

      No they dont. I am Catholic and love my faith and live a life of Chasity for years. Single lady who loves GOD above myself. Mortal Sin is MORTAL SIN… You choose your destiny by the way you live on earth. HELL or HEAVEN.. to live in a state of GRACE is the most rewarding feeling there is .. A pure feeling of love for Christ and for self.

    • Tziggy

      There are Catholics;
      AND
      There are people who call themselves Catholic.

      Learn to discern the difference and these articles will make all the sense in the world to you. The most dangerous enemy is the enemy within. True Catholicism tolerates sinful people because we are all sinners. True Catholicism does not tolerate sin, nor do faithful Catholic priests… The smoke of Satan has entered Holy Mother Church. Christ himself will clean it out one day. Pray for these poor priests.

  • Patmos

    “If we leave it, if we abandon the Church then it’s never going to change.”

    The church isn’t supposed to change, YOU’RE supposed to change, and no I don’t mean transition from male to female or vice versa but rather into a new creature in Christ (2 Corinthians 5:17).

    This is why the gospel begins with repentance! Be ye not conformed to the world but be ye transformed with the renewing of your mind!

    God help these people!

  • Vespasion

    JESUIT. No further explanation is necessary.

  • Tanya Wersinger

    Joseph Sciambra, you are my hero, speaking the truth and telling the truth. Praise be to Jesus and God Bless You!

  • stella

    It’s distressing to see that, for all their so-called wisdom and intellect, these Jesuits can’t grasp the simple concept of purity and self-control. My wise great-grandmother, God rest her soul, always told me that sin shows in our faces and she was right. Just look.

    • ranger01

      Yup. Having been taught by Jesuits, I’m convinced they have their own jesuit religion. It shares some common points with Catholicism but it is their own, separate, religion.

    • J_Bob

      How many times does self esteem lead to self destruction?

  • FAM22

    One additional way that Paul Ryan has failed his country.

    • Howard

      Of all the people who have failed in producing this (relatively) high-profile dissident priest, Paul Ryan’s role is insignificant. This is really a problem for the Church to clean up, since it is a problem created by churchmen.

      • FAM22

        Yes, but Ryan could have at least done his part for Congress by sticking to his guns on what should have been a non-controversial decision for a self-professed serious Catholic, and even that was too much for him. The priest should have been sacked a long time ago. Ryan has some of the weakest knees on the Hill. He will not be missed.

        I knew something about this situation did not smell right when Democrats gathered to protest this priest’s removal.

        • Howard

          I get where you’re coming from, but Ryan wasn’t responsible for the formation of this priest, nor is he really responsible for disciplining the priest. That goes to the bishops. This is a purely ceremonial role, and it’s actually something of a surprise that it even exists. You’re on stronger ground criticizing Ryan for the legislation he gets through or lets through the house than for this sideshow.

          • FAM22

            You are absolutely correct about who bears responsibility for this priest having a voice and for his obviously questionable theology. My point was just that Ryan’s failure to follow through on his decision is just one more disappointment from him. He made a decision that could have improved this situation, and then refused to stick to it because he got a little heat from the left.

  • TobiasRaphael1

    Patrick Conroy S.J is using the same deceptive tactic as satan did in the Garden of Eden with Eve.

  • Mechelle Brown

    God tells us CLEARLY that Marriage and Relationships are between a MAN and a WOMAN.. You know… ADAM & EVE to begin with, HE made Adam a WOMAN not a MAN to be partners with… Stop making excuses for you behavior if you are an active homosexual and start LIVING the life GOD created you to have.. A life of Marriage with a partner of the opposite sex by nature or LIVE A LIFE OF CHASITY and offer yourself to GOD. IT is that simple.. you cannot bargain with GOD and tell HIM he is wrong. HE LOVES US ALL and loves us all the same. WE must change our life to show HIM that we LOVE HIM above all things. As JESUS told St. Mary Magdalene to REPENT and SIN NO MORE… You have to simply make a decision for the life of your SOUL where it matters that most. SINS OF THE FLESH outside of GODS PLAN only lead a soul to HELL. PERIOD. its called FORNIFICATION.. clearly in the bible. SO dont care more about yourself and your own desires above GODS plan for you . CHANGE.. ASK FOR GOD TO HELP YOU and when you really mean it HE WILL

  • jemgeach

    The best words I have heard on this came from a mother to her 11 year old daughter who said to her that she thought she was a lesbian. Her mother waited a moment , and then said ” there is Nothing wrong with loving another person: there is Nothing wrong with being deeply, even passionately, committed to them. But for a Christian, sexual expression of that love is out.”

  • Mark Uriarte

    This priest is in need of prayer. He is a priest for himself and a false sick agenda. NOTHING will change the teachings of the church on matters that Christ brought up or are found in the acts of the Apostles or old testament. Recently I read an account of a Catholic priest in India who in 1978 was called to a hospital there to hear the last confession and give last rights to a person that was of course dying. He was and is highly regarded including by all his former and current bishops and is well loved by many of the laity. On the rush there to the hospital he was driving a motor cycle and collided with a large vehicle. He was killed. The ambulance came and took him to the hospital where they confirmed he was dead and the doctors wrote a death certificate. Several hours later, he came back to life which caused nurses and doctors to go into shock and even faint. This priest stated that when he realized that was his body on the street, he knew he was dead. Then within moments he claimed that his guardian angel appeared to him and told him the Lord wanted to see him. But first his angel to him to see hell and purgatory. There he claimed in both places he saw priests and bishops. More than 1 he knew when they were alive. His angel told him the primary reasons people end up in hell, is for abortion (all that are involved in having, performing and supporting abortion, even judges and politicians. Next was sins of the flesh, which included homosexuality, infidelity, and people who are not married having sex. In 1917, sins of the flesh as a leading cause to hell was also mentioned by Our Lady at Fatima and by the great mystic of the church, the late Maria Esperanza of Venezuela who I had the grace to meet and spend time with her in 2002. Her cause for beatification has already begun and she is currently been given the title of “Servant of God”. She is one of the great mystics of the church and even St Pio who she knew called her special and our consolation after he would die. In March 1976, before AIDS really got started in the world, Our Lady appeared to her and told her that God WAS sending AIDS into the world for the abomination it is. That there will never be a cure for it. She was told of the symptoms of AIDS and that in the US in California it would be found as to its causes. She told her spiritual director this and it ended up going to Rome, well before this disease really struck. She also knew in advance (well documented) about 9-11 when Jesus appeared to her on Aug 25, 2001 and showed it all to her, including exactly how many people would die,why God was going to let it happen even though he could have stopped it. Mostly because of abortion. That the arrogance of the people of New York City, America and the world merited this happening. This Pope St John Paul was also told up to a week before it happened, but he decided NOT to tell President Bush in advance as Jesus said nothing will stop this from happening. The Pope told President Bush 2 days after it happened what he knew in advance. Jesus had told her “Americans have LITTLE faith.” She was also told and shown that the Illumination is coming and going to happen as a last chance for the world to change and save souls.

  • im4truth4all

    Here is a quote from one of the greatest saints ever regarding homosexuality. St. Catherine relays words of Our Lord, about the vice against nature, which contaminated part of the clergy in her time. Referrng to sacred ministers, He said: “They not only fail from resisting this frailty [ of fallen human nature]…but do even worse as they commit the cursed sin against nature. Like the blind and stupid having dimmed the light of the understanding, they do not recoginze the disease and misery in which they find themselves. For this not only causes Me nausea, but displeases even the demons themselves, whom these miserable creatures have chosen as their lords. For Me, this sin against nature is so abominable that , for it alone, five cities were submersed, by virtue of the jugdment of My Divine Justice, which could no longer bear them…It is disagreable to the demon, not because evil displeases them and they find pleasure in good, but because their nature is angelic and thus is repulsed upon seeing such an enormous sin being commited. It is true that it is the demons who hit the sinner with the poisoned arrow of lust, but when a man carries out such a sinful act, the demons leave.

    St.Catherine of Siena, El diabolo, in Orbas de Santa Catarina de Siena

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