James Martin: Pope Francis Told Sex Abuse Victim, ‘God Made You Gay’

The message of Fr. Martin outwardly appears compassionate and sensitive, but it’s highly conflicted and confusing.

Pope Francis asperges holy water as he celebrates a Pentecost mass in St. Peter's Basilica, at the Vatican, Sunday, May 20, 2018.

By Joseph Sciambra Published on May 21, 2018

According to an article in El Pais, Spain’s largest newspaper, Pope Francis told a male sex abuse victim: “God made you gay.” The comments were allegedly made during a meeting between Pope Francis and the victims of Chilean Catholic sex-offender priest Fernando Karadima. One of the men abused by the priest, former seminarian Juan Carlos Cruz, described his meeting with Pope Francis. Jesuit priest James Martin posted a link to the interview on his social media accounts which included a translation of one comment made by the Pope to Cruz:

In his recently published book, Building a Bridge: How the Catholic Church and the LGBT Community Can Enter into a Relationship of Respect, Compassion, and Sensitivity, influential Jesuit James Martin repeatedly applauds “The Catechism” for boldly stating that homosexuals must be treated with “respect, compassion and sensitivity” and that “‘every sign of unjust discrimination’ must be avoided.” The message of James Martin outwardly appears compassionate and sensitive, but it’s essentially highly conflicted and confusing. Because James Martin also claims that homosexuals are “born gay.” During a June 16, 2017 Jesuitical podcast, Martin said:

God made you this way. You are wonderfully made, just like Psalm 139 says. You were knit together in your mother’s womb this way, you know, it’s a mystery why you were made this way, but this is part of your identity.

Consequently, Martin denounces the same Catechism for being “needlessly hurtful” towards homosexuals because, in his words, unless Church teachings are modified, those “born gay” are forbidden from ever expressing the “the deepest parts of a person — the part that gives and receives love.

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Therefore, according to Martin, homosexuals were created in a certain way by God and their ability to express love is inherently attached to their sexual orientation. According to the 1986 Letter to the Bishops of the Catholic Church on the Pastoral Care of Homosexual Persons:

Although the particular inclination of the homosexual person is not a sin, it is a more or less strong tendency ordered toward an intrinsic moral evil; and thus the inclination itself must be seen as an objective disorder.

But, if one accepts the Catechism and the teachings of the Church, why would God make someone with a “disorder” that effects such an integral part of their identity? Either God made a mistake or the teachings are wrong. And as Martin proclaimed during his 2016 commencement address at Gonzaga University:

We look to other people for a roadmap of who we’re supposed to be, when all the direction we need is inside of us, planted by God. Whether you are man or woman, young or old, black, brown or white. Short or tall. Gay, straight, lesbian or transgender, you are beautiful. God does not make crap.

The Catechism also states that:

By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom … they [those with same-sex attraction] can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.

A belief in the inborn permanency of the homosexual inclination creates a difficult anomaly for those who believe it and identify as “gay.” Jesuit priest and homosexual-advocate John J. McNeill once wrote:

Since most gay people experience their homosexual orientation as a part of creation, if they accept this Church teaching, they must see God as sadistically creating them with an intrinsic orientation to evil. Most gays would prefer to see the Church teaching as wrong, rather than believe God is sadistic.

For this reason, Martin and others have repeatedly made statements such as this:

I’m no theologian, but I would say that some of the language used in the catechism on that topic needs to be updated, given what we know now about homosexuality. Earlier, for example, the catechism says that the homosexual orientation is itself “objectively disordered.” But, as I say in the book, saying that one of the deepest parts of a person — the part that gives and receives love — is disordered is needlessly hurtful. A few weeks ago, I met an Italian theologian who suggested the phrase “differently ordered” might convey that idea more pastorally.

In a misguided attempt to appear pastoral, caring, and loving, Martin and those who share his beliefs and methodology abandon the truth and therefore abandon those who they claim to be concerned about. On the very topic of facilitating priests and gay affirmation within the Church, the late Fr. Benedict Groeschel, CFR, wrote:

There are many serious objections to this kind of compassion based on pragmatism and relativism. … The most obvious … objection is that such thinking precludes the possibility of moral conversion and true Christian discipleship. Apart from the radical denial of truth, such thinking leaves the person lost in a swamp without a map. It is a most dangerous compassion.

Unfortunately many Catholics with same-sex attraction believe the “born gay” theory and openly promote it in Church. For instance, on July 16, 2017, James Martin addressed the LGBT ministry “Out at St. Paul” located in New York City at Saint Paul the Apostle Church; he had previously spoken to the group on March 2, 2017. On several occasions, including during his featured presentation at the 2018 Los Angeles Religious Education Congress, Martin has recommended both the Parish and Out at St. Paul (see video interview, and a Facebook live discussion.) In a video series entitled “Owning Our Faith,” featuring various LGBT members from the Out at St. Paul ministry, a “gay” Catholic man said the following:

I think what’s interesting is that the Catholic Church probably thinks that it is accepting of gay people, because its message is “gay people exist and we should love them and not discriminate against them. But because the Church also tells gay people essentially that they need to be celibate, what the Church is saying is ‘you cannot live fully. You can be gay but you can’t live that life.” And so that inherently is discriminatory.

There’s no evidence for a biological or genetic determinant for homosexuality; even the very gay-affirmative American Psychological Association can not claim that anyone was “born gay,” according to the APA:

There is no consensus among scientists about the exact reasons that an individual develops a heterosexual, bisexual, gay or lesbian orientation. Although much research has examined the possible genetic, hormonal, developmental, social and cultural influences on sexual orientation, no findings have emerged that permit scientists to conclude that sexual orientation is determined by any particular factor or factors.

In a highly significant study, 46% of the homosexual men in contrast to 7% of the heterosexual men reported homosexual molestation.

Recent misstatements and even “fake news” regarding the teachings of the Catholic Church on homosexuality have caused untold confusion in the secular media as well as within gay-affirmative Catholic “ministries.” Whatever the truth of this particular situation or the statements made, it’s already too late. There is a famous Jewish folktale about words, and how they can wound and cause great damage. These words are released into the atmosphere like feathers shaken from a torn pillow. After they have been cast into the wind — afterwards, try to go and gather them up again.

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Originally published on josephsciambra.com. Republished with permission.

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  • Tim Pan

    This is one very corrupt Pope.

    • Paul

      And who wants unity with that?

  • Patmos

    Homosexuality is an abomination in God’s eyes. It says so rather clearly in the Bible. There is no reason for any believer say otherwise. Any believer who does say otherwise is either ignorant or deceitful.

    This is pretty elementary stuff, and given the likelihood that both Francis and James Martin are not ignorant of God’s word, we can only conclude that they are deceitful.

    • James

      The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

      • m-nj

        True christians who desire to walk in the truth and commands of the Bible try to treat everyone with compassion and respect (as a human being). Do they do it perfectly? No. But the desire is there.

        But the LGBTxyz-yada-yada-yada movement doesn’t merely want compassion and respect. They want full out affirmation and endorsement of their “lifestyle”. True christians cannot offer that and be aligned with God’s Word or plan for their lives.

        The problem is that the definition of “unjust discrimination” now includes calling LGBTism sinful and against God’s will, or otherwise offending the LGBTer by clearly declaring God’s truth about their lifestyle.

        Well, tough. I’ll just quote the Apostle Peter… “We must obey God rather than man”.

        • Degrandbob

          Bravo to m-nj….sadly ‘James’ doesn’t want to hear that. He/she/it will throw the “bigot….racist…homophobe” response back at your truth…..because “they can’t handle the truth!”
          BTW….I’ve noticed the once innocent definition of the word ‘homophobe’ simply meant anyone who is “uncomfortable” around a homosexual. TODAY’S NEW PROGRESSIVE REVISED DEFINITION: ” a person or group who “HATES” homosexuals…!” Our new world order!

  • Boris

    What made the pope gay?

  • Juan Garcia

    Many, many Catholics read the Bible. Apparently the Pope is not one of them.

  • Jim Walker

    He is an Epop.

  • Ed

    he is a disaster of a pope. he shows no consistency or clarity in his pronouncements. If he believes the church should change its catechism, then lay out the reasoning. All he is doing is sowing confusion

  • Jackson Carl

    i dont believe this Pople ever advocated acting on gay activity. The media wants to put words in his mouth. Now he has to clarify it. Seems to me the movie of the pope is about to be huge, and people want to put him on the spot. “alleged” conversations means one person claiming someone said something, implies they meant something more. Let’s wait until we find out for sure.

    • James

      What the Pope allegedly said is completely in line with CCC 2358. He never advocated any same-sex sexual activity.

      • Jackson Carl

        YOure right

        2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This inclination, which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God’s will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord’s Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition.

        2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection.

  • Jackson Carl

    a month or so ago the media claimed the Pople didnt believe in hell. I’m sick of this nonsense where the media twists quotes..

    • James

      I don’t know which is worse: The media claiming the Pope didn’t believe in hell after he has spoken frequently on the reality of hell and the existence of the Devil, or that some “Catholics” trust the media over the Pope.

      • Jackson Carl

        Its a game. the media puts words in the mouth of the Vatican leaders, and then they have to disavow them. If they disavow them, they make the Vatican look bad – unsure of their position. It looks like flip flopping. This is really some shady reporting and its a tactic they have been using on this Pope since he started

  • FreemenRtrue

    What, pray tell, is the definition of blasphemy?

  • Degrandbob

    How in any way is this big mouth progressive anti Christ Martin knucklehead allowed to continue with his outrageous support for homosexuality and still be subsidized and supported by the Catholic Church? This is madness!

  • peg saindon

    Because the conversation was private and dealt with matters of the soul, the Holy Father cannot correct or explain the conversation. We only know the “take away” for the young man involved. The Catechism of the Catholic Church tells us: 2478 To avoid rash judgment, everyone should be careful to interpret insofar as possible his neighbor’s thoughts, words, and deeds in a favorable way:

    Every good Christian ought to be more ready to give a favorable interpretation to another’s statement than to condemn it. But if he cannot do so, let him ask how the other understands it. And if the latter understands it badly, let the former correct him with love. If that does not suffice, let the Christian try all suitable ways to bring the other to a correct interpretation so that he may be saved.

  • James Doyle

    Let’s Face facts here at least 90 % of Catholics can’t stand Martin he is a Priest in dress only. Also he knows what side his breads buttered ( at least in this Life ) . No one would buy his Garbage Books were they not for Practicing Homosexuals and by a so called Catholic Priest he’s definitely not financially stupid. As for the remarks of Francis most Catholics myself included take what this man says or is supposed to have said with a pinch of Salt . Obviously as has already been written that Francis A L paper was a route to so called Homosexual Unions been accepted in the Catholic Church I have no doubt. After all Francis has already promoted this Wolf in Sheep Clothing and therefore gives him more access to Communications of which am sure he’s head of in the U.S. I wouldn’t even look up Google now to check the Guy as far as am concerned the less ,the very less said or printed about him the better . His day will come Christ has already told him it’s just that he hasn’t listened. ” Anyone of You Who Teaches Any of These Little Ones to Sin . It Would be Better that A Millstone be Cast Around Your Neck and That You Be Thrown into The Deepest Part of The Ocean . “

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