The False Gospel According to Glennon

Our society is so focused on "empowering" women that it's considered oppressive to suggest that a woman doesn't have carte blanche when making her choices.

By Jennifer Hartline Published on May 23, 2017

Prior to last week I did not know who Glennon Doyle Melton was. I have never read her blog. But I think I’ve got a fairly good snapshot of the situation: she’s a popular Christian blogger, with a large “following” among women. She translated her blogging success into a best-selling book and a speaking career. She’s funny, genuine, articulate, and honest about some very difficult struggles she’s had in her life.

Now she’s captured the attention of secular media anew with the announcement of her “marriage” to female soccer star Abby Wambach. With all caps she declared under the Instagram wedding photo that LOVE WINS.

A False Gospel

Between this and Jen Hatmaker, there is a very serious problem among some women bloggers/speakers calling themselves Christian. A false gospel emerges out of female bonding, feminine “empowerment,” and shared heartaches, and suddenly the sisterhood has become its own sole authority and yardstick for what’s right and wrong. Christian living resembles less and less the narrow road with the cross on our shoulders and more and more a never-ending social with wine, coffee, and “You go, girl!”chit-chat.

Our society is so focused on “empowering” women that it’s considered oppressive to suggest that a woman doesn’t have carte blanche when making her choices.

I’m not interested in rehashing the trials Melton has gone through in her life. Her trials do not make her a moral authority. Yet that’s precisely the way she’s been crowned by the large “following” she’s gathered, and by the rest of the media, especially now that she’s made the “brave” move to “embrace freedom” and “choose joy” and “discover love” in new ways by divorcing her husband and “marrying” a woman. Elle magazine called it “The Gospel According to Glennon.” 

This is skewed feminine sensibilities run amok, totally unchecked by right reason and the moral law. Our society is so focused on “empowering” women that it’s considered oppressive to suggest that a woman doesn’t have carte blanche when making her choices. 

When the feminine mind and heart are rightly ordered toward the true good, and willingly obedient to the law of God, she is a force to be reckoned with, and all hell is scared. (Satan’s first serious butt-kicking came via a humble, holy woman’s fiat to God.)

Take away everything but the feelings and the “Girl power” and all hell smiles.

Love Did Not Win

We’re supposed to read Melton’s story and be happy for her. We’re supposed to be impressed at her bravery for deciding to live such a different life and tuning out the criticism. We’re supposed to join in the chorus and shout, “Love Wins!”

Sorry. Love did not win here. Broken vows are not evidence of love. (Yes, I’m aware that her husband broke his vows first.) A shattered family is not evidence of love. And please, don’t try to tell me her children’s lives haven’t been shattered. Don’t tell me how they have even more adults to love them, and how their worlds are now bigger and more inclusive. Don’t tell me how they’ve learned to be accepting and non-judgmental, and how they will be happy because their mother is happy.

No. Just no. The children have learned that the parents’ personal happiness comes above all else. The children have learned that the adults get what they want, and the kids are supposed to be okay with that. No one wants to know if they have negative feelings about it. It’s been presented to them as a great thing. Their foundation has been irrevocably cracked, and they’re told it’s all for the best, because Mom is living the “truth.”

That’s not a victory for love. 

Truth Did Not Win

It has nothing to do with the truth, either. Abandoning marriage for an unnatural sexual relationship that can never be marriage is not a win for love. It is not Scriptural or Christian. It is not God’s will. It’s not authentic anything except confusion and sin. And with her “following,” Melton is happily leading countless other women down the road of confusion and sin with her.

If women decide that their “empowerment” comes from anything other than carrying their cross and following Christ, in obedience to Him and His Word, then they are deceived.

Melton’s husband was unfaithful. He sinned against God and her by his infidelity. He harmed his family tremendously with his selfishness. All of that is true. Melton was then faced with a painful choice. Honor her marriage vows, or not. It really is that simple. Not at all easy or pleasant. Maybe not desirable in the least. But simple. Her husband had broken his vows, but what about her?

Sadly, the father of lies has persuaded Melton that her only hope for happiness, freedom, and truth was to forget her marriage vows, break up her family, divorce her husband, and then start a new life with a lesbian woman. Somehow, she has decided this is what God wants for her, and this is the only way she can live and tell the truth.

She is deceived. She has exchanged the truth for lies. Lies that feed the ego, seem to soothe the wounds of the moment, appear to bring happiness and excitement, and give ample room for whatever she decides is right for her. She is deceived into thinking this will be an example to her children of strength, of what it means to be true to yourself, to be brave and so forth. She is deceived into thinking this new life of hers jibes with Christian morality and following Jesus.

And the women who find camaraderie with her, who see her as an inspiring celebrity, will also be deceived if they do not employ a healthy detachment and sound, sober judgment. This isn’t about a woman wronged by her husband. It’s not about a woman’s feelings or heartbreak. It’s not about the sisterhood.

If women decide that their “empowerment” comes from anything other than carrying their cross and following Christ, in obedience to Him and His Word, then they are deceived. Far from being empowered, they will become weak and imprisoned by feelings that constantly change and desires that are never satiated for long. They will leave a legacy of brokenness and sin for their children; not strength, and certainly not love.

We follow only Christ. That means there is only the cross. Beware any woman, no matter how popular and likable she may be, who has forsaken the Truth in favor of her own truth. 

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  • Dean Bruckner

    Today I heard the song “Thy Will Be Done” by Hillary Scott and the Scott family. Moving! Reminded me of Laura Story’s Blessings in Disguise. Those two ladies are heroes, at least to me.

    Glennon Doyle Melton, not so much. She’s not even an anti-hero. She’s hurt but is trying to take over being God. This will not end well for hundreds, even thousands of “weak willed women weighed down with sin,” as Paul writes. But in this case, the creep is another woman!

    • Autrey Windle

      a creep by any name would stink as much…

  • Autrey Windle

    Jennifer, I don’t have a clue who these brats are, but I’ll put my story up to theirs on any day and on national television or the front page of the sinner’s times and I will promise them that I can make them ashamed of their twisted witnessing. Their ‘sisterhood bonding’ junk is exactly that; junk for sissies who are too lazy and cowards who are too afraid to do the work required to escape the snares of our histories. They are a disgrace to the ‘sisterhood’. I have spent years getting the help and doing the work required to set me free from all of the abuses that lead me, like these baby turtles, to pull our heads in between our shoulders and shirk the responsibility of insisting on being informed and guided to the joy of being born as God made us in spite of and/or because of all the assaults, physical/ psychological / sexual/and criminal perpetrated against the precious daughters we were created to be. I used to ask God why I learned how to live free yet so many others have not come to the other side from being dramatically hurt and I am beginning to finally know why. It is because it takes desperate courage; the kind where you fail at 3 suicide attempts and are crazy to know how to live with all the things being true that drove you to try. It takes dispair-ate courage borne of refusing to ever be assaulted again even if you have to shoot someone. Not to worry, somewhere along the way the desperation can lead you to God through a cow-dog and a broken leg. But you have to quit refusing to hear the truth and these women need the truth desperately and I wish I could have an afternoon in a locked room with them. Their blogs might take a hiatus until they are really prepared to reflect the love of the one true God who doesn’t have one set of rules for some people and a different set for someone else. I guess you can see I’m a bit fed up, but I may be uniquely qualified to put these women to the real challenge of coming out of hiding and having the courage to choose God over the devil. Thank you for giving me a very difficult prayer challenge; not to worry though…I have been blessed to be a warrior of the kind these women need. In Jesus’ name. AMEN!

    • Royce E. Van Blaricome

      I appreciate your words and I think I hear ya but I would ask you to prayerfully consider, long and hard, your words “It takes dispair-ate courage borne of refusing to ever be assaulted again even if you have to shoot someone.”

      In light of Scripture you are in error there.

      • Autrey Windle

        Thank you for your comments, Royce. You of course are right about scripture but I was merely reporting the actual truth as it happened to me and as it probably also happens to many other women who ever survive all the rapes, beatings and psychological dominance and torture.

        • Royce E. Van Blaricome

          I understand. But be of good cheer. Few, if any of us, can say we’ve suffered “with far greater labors, far more imprisonments, with countless beatings, and often near death. Five times I received at the hands of the Jews the forty lashes less one. Three times I was beaten with rods. Once I was stoned. Three times I was shipwrecked; a night and a day I was adrift at sea; on frequent journeys, in danger from rivers, danger from robbers, danger from my own people, danger from Gentiles, danger in the city, danger in the wilderness, danger at sea, danger from false brothers; in toil and hardship, through many a sleepless night, in hunger and thirst, often without food, in cold and exposure. And, apart from other things, there is the daily pressure on me of my anxiety for all the churches.” (2 Corinthians 11:23–29)

          • Autrey Windle

            Yes, Paul has the better story of being mistreated and I certainly was never blinded (at least not literally) but I firmly believe that one’s own trials cannot be discounted because someone else had it worse. I generally speak to women’s issues because that is my realm of experience and as Paul could witness right behavior in Corinth with his history, I can speak to the brink of torment that drives these poor women to abortion and sexual deviance because of my history. I had to come to being prepared to defend myself at all costs to the predators to gain a little courage in the darkness of terror that overtook me after the home invasion in Palm Springs. I never killed the man, but he only came 3 times and by the 4th time he would have met me wide awake with a 357 pointed at his personal parts. I didn’t kill him but I finally stood up against being prey. God took it from there, but it took 14 years, a lot of counseling,a leg full of titanium and a cow-dog to get me all the way back to God. I therefore am grateful for my hard times because it all brought me to here and here is sheltered in the love of God and armed with experience of overcoming through trusting God to protect me and help me defend myself when need be. I could never have arrived if not for the predators. I still have to remember to pray for them and not to hate them, but I am a work in progress! Thank you for your comments at the Stream. I always learn a little something I didn’t know from you.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Agreed. Didn’t mean to say or imply that one’s own trials should be or can be discounted because another’s is worse. It was meant just to be an encouragement. And trust me, that is something I often have to remind myself.

            But again, it’s your “I had to come to being prepared to defend myself at all costs to the predators to gain a little courage in the darkness of terror that overtook me after the home invasion in Palm Springs” that causes me pause. I assume you are talking about being a Believer at the time? If that was an Unbeliever, I have no comment. But if a Believer, I would ask, “Where in any and all of Scripture does it talk about a Believer protecting themselves?” I’ve had a couple of really good discussions on the subject with folks on both sides of that issue. FWIW, I’m an ardent 2nd Amendment Proponent and Supporter. That said, I am a Christ-follower first and foremost and I am rethinking some of my previous positions.

            I’m sure you and I could have some good discussions on “abuse”, especially win it comes to women, as I’ve had some pretty hot ones with a few women. Suffice it for here and now to say that it is no accident that God put Romans 13 in His Word and that “abuse” is not listed as an authorized reason for divorce.

            All that said, I do appreciate your heart and what you ended there with reminds me of the “Pearl in the Oyster” analogy that Gary Smalley gives in his Ten Hidden Keys To A Loving Relationship series.

            Thank you for the oh too kind words. I can’t tell you what a joy that is to read and how it touches my heart. All I wanna be is of use to Christ and His Kingdom. I’m touched to know that I may have done that in some small way.

          • Autrey Windle

            Kind Royce! I will tell you that the incident in P.S.was a critical point in my life. I was fairly much a heathen in general at that time in my life, but I have loved God all my life. I came from a lifetime of abuse and had fallen away from the church and had no real trust that I was worth God’s time but nevertheless I was conscious that He protected me. During the first assault by the predator I had an epiphany that life as I knew it was to be forever changed. In the weeks, months and years that followed I slid further into despair, fear, agoraphobia, hypervigilance and sleepless terror. I knew if I couldn’t find God that I would never be alright and yet I felt nothing. No connection to God or man. No reality. No peace or comfort. I went through the motions and reached out for help to the rape crisis center and after about 3 years they found some actual help for me instead of all the new age psyco-babble of the counselors available in Palm Springs. I went to Indio before the paint was even dry in the cubicles of the new crisis center and the counselor said I should leave the house of hell immediately and that I should never have even gone back there initially; so on to Tucson where God held me in His arms and made me whole again a piece at a time, a day, a month, and years at a time. Many things happen in a process like that. I came to a place of being willing to fight for my life if I had to. Soldiers have to fight. I am not unlike a soldier and war is war. I always laid down and submitted to abuse because I thought I was supposed to turn the other cheek. That isn’t wrong but the context in truth makes the turning a cheek only part of the truth. I became a victim because that is what happens when the enemy strikes down the child through predatory abuse from adults. I had to become NOT a victim to allow the Lord to defend me or to show me when to defend myself. I hope you may see a bit to help you understand some of the challenges the abused women face. As an artist, I’ve met a lot of lesbians and I can tell you that every one of them I ever met was sexually abused as a child by someone. My problem with them is that they are settling for victimhood by taking the cowardly way out of the damaged soul. If I didn’t learn to fight back through new faith and new education about God’s choices for me, I would be like them; lost to a life of cowardly sins.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Oh Autrey, you are probably gonna get tired of me and irritated with me but once again you’ve said something that is just not Biblical. NOBODY has loved God all their life. It is absolutely impossible for an Unbeliever to love God. Romans 3 is the passage that describes well one’s state before being Born Again. And Jesus states in the clearest of terms in John 14:15 how one knows if they love God.

            Are you in a a good Bible-believing, Bible-teaching church where you can submit to godly men as your leaders, (as commanded to do so) and be properly discipled? Do you have a good Titus 2:3-5 woman as well? If not, I would strongly encourage you to do so. See John 14:15 above. If not you are in grave danger of doing one of the most common and dangerous things folks do and that is to define God thru their experiences and often this results in one created a god in their own image according to their own wisdom (see Prov. 14:12), will and ways.

            The only other thing I’ll say is to remember that NOTHING happens unless God causes it or allows it. Nothing.

          • Autrey Windle

            Okay, dear Royce…I will reply to your points to the best of my not-a-biblical-scolar ability because while I respect you and your obvious education we may have to agree to disagree in spots.

            I say ‘all my life’ when what I actually mean probably dates to more realistically to older than age 0 and less than age 3. My earliest memories of my love of God are like my memory of loving my Mother which happened almost immediately after being born. I remember sitting in my Grandfather’s lap and hearing the word of God (he was a carpenter, a country school teacher of all grades in one room and a minister who preached as a guest at different churches) learning to sing songs of praise and learning to read and write all before he died when I was 3. I was taught to love God and that He was my perfect Father from the cradle. Perhaps that doesn’t satisfy your definition of Christian, but it more than satisfies mine. After believing the fact of God’s being the creator and perfect Father of all things of Heaven and earth comes the task of learning to grow to maturity eventually as one ages in real time. That took me a while with all the plagues and setbacks perpetrated by man and the world. I must whole heartedly agree with you about nothing happening without God allowing it. God allowed everything but death for Job and I have had to explain repeatedly to unbelievers who think God causes bad things to happen that that is not exactly how it works. Allowing and causing are 2 different things. God allowed everything the enemy could throw at me to happen, but he never abandon me to going through it without Him at my side or carrying me in His arms through the fire. He, like my actual earthly Mother, expected obedience and respect but again, like my Mom, never expected me to be perfect to receive love and encouragement. I often say that God lets things happen to me but never lets go of my hand while it’s happening and always pulls me back from the precipice. I believe that.

            As for being born again, I was born again before I had the adult words to explain my transformation from born in sin to rescued from it through the love of Jesus. I have been dutifully baptized in the water by every kind of church because none of them when I was growing up thought the other ones had done it right. I thought then that they were silly and wrong and I still do but I figured God wouldn’t hold it against me for humoring the ignorance of the well-meaning religious people. I went to church because I wanted to go, not because someone took me because no one did. My Mother was divorced and had 4 kids so church ladies gossiped and hid their children and church men leered at her a lot. I didn’t blame her for not going, but she read the Bible to me and always answered my questions if I asked and encouraged me to attend church. If I lived in the woods with no church, no school, and no preachers I believe I can still be a precious child of the God of the Trinity equal to any man. If there were no men to teach me I can still be loved and cherished and discipled by the Holy Father. No men saw Jesus first after the cross; it was the women who loved Him who witnessed Him first. I agree with man’s role and woman’s role biblically directed, but sometimes a man just isn’t anywhere to be found when a child needs direction or teaching and God seems to have made provision for such emergencies.

            I never had an earthly Father but I have always had a Heavenly Father and like many prodigals, I tended to come and go during my earlier years. I assure you, I could never have created the God of my understanding from my own mind or my own experiences. If I had tried to I would be an atheist and worship the devil and never have had the courage to live at all after all my earthly experiences have put me through. It is because there is God and I know no man is Him that I didn’t become bitter and cynical or a lesbian or worse like so many who didn’t have the advantage of the grandfather and Mother that God blessed me with to teach them about God’s love, and forgiveness.

            I hope this gives you one or two things to ponder about absolutes. I am not one who you run across everyday, or so I’m told by many who meet me, but that’s not necessarily a bad thing…Go with God Sweet Royce. I do.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Dear Autry, I am only telling your what God’s Word says. It has nothing to do with me being a Biblical scholar. And it has nothing to do with “my” definition of a Christian. The only thing that matters is God’s Word. Not my definition . Or yours. God’s.

            As for God causing “bad” things to happen, I will only say that what some may see as “bad” may in fact be good. Such as God disciplining His children (Heb. 12:11-13).

            As for the rest, I’ll just say I don’t see any Scripture to substantiate what you said but I do see a lot of excuses and justification as to why God’s Word doesn’t need to be followed and even some badmouthing and judgments based on appearance of those who did go to church. Your “but I figured God wouldn’t hold it against me for humoring the ignorance of the well-meaning religious people” speaks pretty loudly and I wonder if you realize how. You also never answered my questions. And from these comments there is some question as to whether you truly understand what it means to be Born Again and what must happen for it to take place.

            When it come to God, who He is, and how He works, it is often times very absolute.

            God Bless.

          • Autrey Windle

            Dear Royce! I thought I made it clear that I do not believe that God is capable of doing ‘bad’ only the enemy and man do ‘bad’ and bad things do happen and God allows it but never leaves one’s side while they walk through the damage done by the enemy or a bad act of mankind. I don’t know what to say if you disagree with that. It also seemed to me that you didn’t care for me to accent your scholarly achievements. I have immense respect for academic achievement and endeavors. I admire you for that.

            I do not say all people who attended church in the mid-century were false Christians, but many were and society encouraged them to be judgmental and condemning. If you are unfamiliar with these ungodly practices, then I am glad for you. The truth I speak existed whether everyone saw it or not. If you think it is wrong of me to observe that churches who do not recognize baptism because it wasn’t done by their church, then I am also glad you didn’t have to suffer the fools gladly, as I did being a respectful of my elders child, who believed that was the case based on their man-made rules, not God’s word. The Catholic Church didn’t even want me at all; they just wanted me to sign over my children to the church and abdicate my parental rights to take the children to my church. I walked out of those classes for protestant wives. That ex-husband is on the sex-offender registry today for being such a good father. People do bad things. Churches aren’t more right than the people who attend them. If I’m going to hell for not being saved correctly or honoring God well enough then to hell I will go. God speaks to me whether you or anyone else thinks so. God speaks to all of us if we listen to Him. God has assured me that I am saved and protected under His umbrella.

            I did not say anything against obeying God’s word and I don’t know why you think so. To the contrary, I endeavored to make it clear that God is Almighty and His word IS the law. As to your last words, I do not believe God is often times absolute, I believe He is unequivocally absolute and thank Him for that because we are in a world where true love is desperately needed and the discipline of the one true God IS the only example of true love we have to go on. God is never hateful. The enemy and man often are. If you love you speak the truth even if it is dangerous to say or difficult to trust. Only God’s truth is absolute. All God’s rules apply to all mankind. Period. Confession only works when followed by true repentance. Repentance is not a mantra or a blessing by a priest it is a change of acting in the confessed sin. All of us get the same rules regardless of religion or lack of it. I do not believe God punishes His children. Discipline is God’s way of instructing us and discipline is not punishment. Punishment is for the enemies of God and His children and for those who know His rules and willfully disobey and I believe when that happens God is very sad indeed since He loves us so much. That is why I fight so hard to challenge homosexuals to stop what they are doing and seek the healing of repentance from the Father because they are making my Heavenly Father very sad and probably very angry and I want my Father to be glad and smiling.

            I enjoy writing with you and hope you don’t fret that I will burn in hell. I assure you on good authority that I am a precious child of God and a miracle. I read my Bible and listen to teaching at home since I am currently not well enough to sit in church and my Pastor stays in close touch with me so not to worry about my continuing education in the word. I am a thirsty sponge with a limited academic accomplishment but learning to love learning so young has been a special blessing from God. Terrible things are happening in this world as was prophesied but the joy will also be in the Son rise.

            God Bless you, too!

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            You did. I was just saying that what some call “bad” is actually “good’ when looked at it from God’s POV. I often wonder how many folks are missing the boat when they are blaming Satan for doing something that is actually God’s work in their life.

            Thank you for the kind words. I’m not quite sure what to say. I don’t mean to be ungrateful for the compliment but I’m not really what I’d call a “Biblical Scholar”.

            You say society encouraged church-goers to be judgmental. It sounds like you don’t know that Christians are COMMANDED to judge. Numerous places but John 7:24 is the clearest and most straight-forward.

            “If you think it is wrong of me to observe that churches who do not recognize baptism because it wasn’t done by their church…”

            What I think is that you don’t understand why some good, godly, Bible-believing churches do that. And I can tell you that it doesn’t necessarily mean that they were not doing so Biblically nor that you were necessarily “suffering fools”. You say it was because they “believed that was the case based on their man-made rules, not God’s word.” I can’t say one way or the other because I don’t have the fact but I can say that isn’t necessarily true. I can also say that if that were true and you knew that to be true then you sinned because you are to obey God rather than Man when they go against His Word. So the baptism was not only not honoring and glorifying to God it was the opposite.

            “If I’m going to hell for not being saved correctly or honoring God well enough then to hell I will go.” That again speaks volumes.

            “God is never hateful.” Have you read:
            Psa 5:5 The boastful shall not stand before your eyes; you hate all evildoers.

            Pro 6:16 There are six things that the LORD hates, seven that are an abomination to him:
            Pro 6:17 haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,
            Pro 6:18 a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that make haste to run to evil,
            Pro 6:19 a false witness who breathes out lies, and one who sows discord among brothers.
            Jer 12:8 My heritage has become to me like a lion in the forest; she has lifted up her voice against me; therefore I hate her.
            Rom 9:13 As it is written, “Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated.”

            Dr. David Platt: “14x in the first 50 Psalms alone we see God’s hatred for the Sinner, His wrath on the Liar, and so on.”

            I’m truly sorry to hear about your sickness and pray you get well soon. And I’m truly glad to hear you have a pastor that stays close to you!

            God Bless.

          • Autrey Windle

            I wish you lived next door so we could sit on the patio and converse over coffee; Oh, well! I’ll take my conversing with you as God blessed me with wifi!

            I will take your opening statement one giant step forward and see if we are not, in fact, in complete agreement on the point. I do not believe God does truly bad things to us any more than a strict parent who insists on a curfew or some such protection is doing bad. I believe discipline is often hard and misunderstood but always good. I also believe satan and man serving his ends do terrible things and that God ALWAYS makes the bad work for good to they who love HIM. I may have missed the greatest witness all in the testimony of PS if I failed to share my immense gratitude for all the criminal attacks against me, my life and my faith since it all brought me to here and here is fabulous. Yesterday one year ago was the day I went on life support for a silent heart attack and came off life support 5 weeks or so later. I am ALWAYS grateful for the trials as it gives my darling Father a chance to show how very much he loves the least deserving in man’s eyes among us.

            As to the baptizing; I was a child when these things took place and I was easy prey for false church practices. I went to the nearest church to my home so I changed churches a few times as one burned down so I went to the next nearest, I moved once and one had a better youth choir and I was addicted to the music. I finally married during the Vietnam era and the Catholics were my last straw with church for many years when they judged me for not being Catholic and threatened to say my marriage was a sham and all my future children belonged to the church. It is no wonder I left churches, but I always continued to love God. I do think there will be plenty of judgment to go around when the Lord returns and I hope some of those I have asked God to forgive me for being angry toward have asked for a little forgiveness for treating young children and young Christians in the ways of shaming and ungodly judgment, but honestly, it can’t matter to me too much since that is between them and God. I must only forgive those whom I resent and such. As is written in the Revelations, God will have His own conversation with the churches.

            As for every Christian’s responsibility regarding judging; I have read that we are to call out the truth in the face of lies; we are to show love and condemn evil; I am less clear about whether I am allowed to or expected to hate or if that is strictly God’s bailiwick but I talk to God about those things and He knows my heart and helps me as I go. I am fierce and a warrior of many kinds. I thank the Lord for creating me as titanium when I was burned by the hate of Satan. If anyone thinks satan hasn’t continually tried to destroy me, then all I can say is they aren’t paying attention to the outcomes of my trials.

            I assure you and everyone that God never; had me raped or beaten;my children raped and beaten; had my male relative molest me; had my sister beat me every day of the first 10 years of my life; had several other men rape me through all my adult life or had me deceived by psychotic men like my pedophile first husband; had the lady cause my fall in the desert with her 5 dogs or given me a silent heart attack where no illness was present or still doesn’t exist. On the contrary, God used every one of those heinous acts to forge me into His titanium prodigal and I pray for the men who re-dunked me. I know I was saved after the 1st time and I certainly didn’t know a minister could even be wrong so my co-operation with them was not my sin, but theirs.

            I agree with all the scripture since I agree with all God-breathed words of the instruction manual we call the Bible; and thank you for showing that God is and does judge and hate and punish and wreak havoc and revenge. I pretty much try to leave those things to God but I am, as formerly mentioned, not always successful. If God puts a person, a cause to speak about, a task to do or a move to make, I do my best and my best can be a beautiful reflection of God’s love as long as I always give the glory to Him. When I don’t remember the rules He wants us to follow, He lets me know. The trick in so many cases is learning to discern His voice from the lies of the cunning enemy who seeks who he may devour. I do think God must have important work for me, because the devil seems so determined to take me out or make me cynical, afraid, a mouse or a baby-murdering lesbian and I keep trying to pull back the women the devil has more success with from the brink of hell through sharing God’s rules and God’s redemption and love. I have had a lot of condemnation from ‘religious’ people but Jesus never condemned me. I pray daily for those people especially since one of them is my one living relative who probably still thinks I will go to hell. If she goes to heaven, she may be surprised to see me there someday…

            Go with God, gentle Royce and remember to always share the love of God first and the rules as the young grow.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            That would be nice! On a day like today though I’d exchange the coffee for a tall glass of iced-tea. 🙂 I don’t have a lotta time right now as I have to go jump on the mower and try to get the property mowed before it gets dark. Then I gotta move some chicks from the brooder to the chickhouses and then come in and nuke some supper before it gets too late. So please don’t take my brevity and to the point replies as being curt.

            To your point about whether God does “bad” to us. I would say if you are talking about “us” as Believers that is correct. But it doesn’t apply to Unbelievers. Deut. 32:39-43, Isa 45:7, Lam. 3:37-39

            “God ALWAYS makes the bad work for good to they who love HIM.” That’s a inference to Romans 8:28 but it is incomplete. There is a qualifier for the promise and that is those who not only love Him but are called according to His purpose. John 14:15 defines whether one loves God and God is under no obligation to work something to good that is not called according to His purpose. Take a Believer marrying an Unbeliever for example.

            Very sorry to hear about your heart attack. FWIW, I lost my youngest brother on April 1st (yes, seriously) due to a sudden and massive heart attack. He was only 51.

            “It is no wonder I left churches, but I always continued to love God.” Here again, that’s inconsistent and contradictory. Can’t love God and be in open disobedience and rebellion. Just not possible.

            There’s a lot of other stuff there that could be unpacked but suffice it for now to say… remember, Satan is not omnipresent and many blame him for things he had nothing to do with. There is a mystery that we likely won’t understand until we get to the other side as to whether things come from God, Satan, his demons, just due to our living in a fallen world, or consequences of our own sin.

            I’ve noticed a few times now you have spoken of “religious” people in a negative light. Remember, there was nobody more religious than Christ. I’d like to give you something to consider. How do you think God feels about people who profess to be one of His Children and followers of Jesus Christ who disrespect, demean, belittle, and even bad-mouth something He instituted and calls Good? What does God’s Word say about those who call Good evil and Evil good?

            You would do well to consider that when making comments about “Religion”. Jesus is God and God established and instituted religion. And He did so perfectly with infinitesimal, minute, and meticulous detail. Jesus followed that religion perfectly and then perfected it with His own sacraments and teachings. What do you think Jesus was doing all those times He went to the Temple and the night He was betrayed at the “Last Supper”? And indeed His very life and sacrifice fulfilled God’s religious requirements.

            One can have empty religion without a relationship with Christ but you can NOT have a relationship with Christ without His religion.

            Ok, I’m outta here. I’ll end with an exhortation that’s a little more Biblical and theologically sound that the one you offered me. Remember to always share the love of God first and Jesus defines that in John 14:15.

          • Autrey Windle

            Royce, I love your heart but I’m getting a little tired of your judging me to be too imperfect in my faith to consider myself a true Christian and your insistence in continuing to question my love for my Heavenly Father. I do not agree with you about Jesus and religion. At all. I guess I am going straight to hell in your eyes and you consider me a liar at worst and misguided at best when I say I have always loved God and have been treated poorly by religious people. I do not agree with you about me and I am beginning to understand why you may have some heated exchanges with some of the women you converse with.

            I think you may be Catholic since those are so far the only religious people I have met who claim themselves as the true church. I am kind of hard on the Catholics, but the Catholics were pretty hard on me some years ago and failed to care that the Catholic I married was actually a pedophile that the church protected from prosecution. I read the Bible. I have Mensa level reading comprehension. I know the believers are the church Jesus spoke of, not a religion with laws and bylaws and superiority over anyone who isn’t part of their religion. I am one of the saints of the word of God and so are all other true believers. I am very glad for you if you are perfect enough in your faith that you can disparage my sincerity toward God. You are wrong. I know you are a man and men are supposed to lead, but with leadership opportunity comes leadership responsibility. I will not try to tell you how to be teachable, but I will suggest that you might actually not know whereof you speak sometimes. You needn’t parse every word spoken or written to you as if there is always another secret meaning behind a word. Sometimes a word just means what the dictionary says. I generally mean what I say and I promise you that you don’t have the psychology chops to psychoanalyze me. You always have the option to quit being determined to teach me a lesson that perhaps you could learn from me if you would ever hear me. You are always going to be more biblical and theology assertive than I am, even when you aren’t entirely right about your asserted comprehensions. I find most people speak more than Bible-ese. I don’t generally spend as much time talking with the already saved so I don’t make it a habit to go around quoting the word. I deliver the meat and invite them to come to a service to get the sides as well. I am sorry we don’t get past the judgment of Autrey to becoming friendlier, but my friends may speak straight with me but they do not judge me especially wrongly.

            Happy memorial day! I hope you had a great meal and shed a tear when you heard a patriotic song…

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            I frankly don’t care if you agree with me or not. I gave you God’s Word and I backed it up with Scripture every time. Especially when it comes to loving God. Something you’ve failed to do. ‘Nuff said.

            “I am beginning to understand why you may have some heated exchanges with some of the women you converse with.”

            Nice little fiery dart but it missed.

            “I think you may be Catholic”

            You would think wrong. Far from it. More evidence you’re in the Flesh and not walking in the Spirit.

            “I have Mensa level reading comprehension.”

            Use that to comprehend this: “The unbeliever does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him. And he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned.” (1st Cor. 2:14) On the other hand a 3rd Grader can understand Scripture when the Holy Spirit illuminates their mind to His Truth.

            “I will not try to tell you how to be teachable, but I will suggest that you might actually not know whereof you speak sometimes.”

            Take a chainsaw to the Giant Sequoia Tree sticking outta your eye socket and then read that again.

            One thing has been abundantly clear in every single one of your posts. You think you’ve got all the answers and have it all figured out and yet you’ve contradicted God’s Word in every single post. And then when I tried to gently guide you back to the Truth, you get in a huff and start the personal attacks and ad hominem. And I’m the one with an unteachable spirit! LOL I’m guessing that 1st Tim. 2:11-12 is another one of those passages that escaped your Mensa level reading comprehension.

            It’s blatantly obvious you’ve never used your Mensa level reading comprehension to study Soteriology, Biblical Epistemology and the difference between that and Experientialism. I hope one day you wake up and realize that the Word of God takes precedence. Sola Scriptura and Tota Scriptura is what the Christian bases their beliefs upon.

            Finally, you’ve all but admitted that you’ve never been a part of a local body nor submitted yourself to godly men as COMMANDED so you can be properly discipled. And you’ve given every reason to believe that it’s not likely to happen either.

            So I’m done. Now you can go back to willfully disobeying God, making excuses why you don’t, blaming everybody else as to why you don’t obey, contradicting what He says, and talking about how much you love your Daddy.

  • Gary

    It is impossible for a homosexual to be a Christian. It is also impossible for a Christian to be a homosexual. Those are facts of life that have often been disputed, but never been proven false. There are no homosexuals in Heaven, and never will be.

    • Liz Litts

      Gary it’s like every other sin-it has to be turned from and repented from-and you have to just trust in Jesus to deliver you when you are tempted. If you fall–you go back and allow Jesus to pick you back up. But you don’t contune in it or try to justify it.

  • Mrs. Phillips

    People of money and popularity do what they will. For others being unduly influenced by them, perhaps a revisit of the Roman empire prior to its collapse would provide the necessary warning. Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

  • Timothy Horton

    Somebody sounds desperately jealous of Glennon’s happiness. 🙂

    • Jennifer Hartline

      Sure. I would MUCH rather have my family shattered by divorce and broken vows, and leave my children a legacy of sin, confusion, and pain. I mean fidelity, stability, wholeness, the mystical beauty of marriage, a firm foundation for the kids, obedience to God and the blessings that come, all that stuff is just overrated. Have a nice day, Timothy.

      • Timothy Horton

        Obviously Ms. Melton’s marriage didn’t have fidelity, stability, wholeness, the mystical beauty of marriage, or a firm foundation for the kids. In such cases the most healthy thing to do is leave the bad situation and find something better, which she did. You’re just frosted because real life doesn’t always fit your silly Ken and Barbie fantasies.

        • Hannah

          Your opinion and all subsequent comments regarding this issue have been duly noted.

        • Shaquille Harvey

          what real life fantasies tim ? Do you even understand Christ centered marraige ?
          What’s ken and Bernie got to do with this ?
          if you find this issues fantasy then what are you looking for in this view on marraige you keep talking about and how do you know that that’s not fantasy ?

          • Gary

            He does not understand marriage. But, like all liberals, he thinks he not only understands it, but can redefine it whenever he wants, and he requires everyone else to accept his redefinition. Or be called a bigot.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Horton is a regular, persistent troll on here that has no desire to seek the truth or even have an intellectually honest discussion. He’s just fulfilled the “before” of Eph. 2:1-3.

            For my Brothers & Sisters, I suggest keeping this is mind:

            “Whoever does not receive you, nor heed your words, as you go out of that house or that city, shake the dust off your feet. Truly I say to you, it will be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgment than for that city.” (Matt. 10:14-15)

            And remember, that is a COMMAND from Christ. Not a suggestion. They will find themselves here soon enough:

            “But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.” (Rev. 21:8)

    • gordonhackman

      This response is logically fallacious.

      • “Somebody sounds…” de facto, what follows is an opinion, thus “logical fallacies” are inapplicable unless they’re based on factual errors. They’re not, ergo your response is meaningless and inappropriate. She (she? I think) sounds jealous to me, too.

        • gordonhackman

          Attacking the Motive: This fallacy occurs when an arguer Criticizes a person’s motivation for offering a particular argument or claim, rather than examining the worth of the argument or claim itself. Attacking the Motive follows the pattern:

          1. X is biased or has questionable motives.

          2. X’s argument or claim should be rejected.

  • Carol Burton McLeod

    Yes. Thank you for being brave enough to speak truth. You got it right. Praying for you and cheering for you

  • Patmos

    Christians like Melton are just following what is right in their own eyes. Actually she’s not even really doing that, and instead living strictly by the flesh, mind and spirit be damned. She is not saved, she is not free, and is merely doing the devil’s bidding.

  • Leah Ann

    After you finished writing this article how did you feel? I’m not talking about your ego but your heart? Heavy or light? Closed or open? How do you think Glennon would feel if she read what you had to say about her? Do you think because you believe your religion is exclusively true it’s okay to use it to judge someone else’s life? It seems that when we judge others, even if we feel we have good authority to do so based on the ‘truth’, there’s something unsettled inside us that moves us to criticize others and I think it’s usually fear. When we speak or act from a place of fear it’s not love. I personally didn’t hear or feel any love in what you had to say. And if you’re talking about Jesus then walk the talk…his love talk.

    • Patmos

      His “love talk” would still call this an abomination. There’s a reason he said on multiple occasions to go forth and sin no more. Or perhaps you think it’s loving to let a person go headlong into hell?

    • ericdijon

      Clearly, as nice a person as you must be, you have no standing to clumsily use what you believe is scripture as a weapon against another, or about criticisms, fears, and love. You do have a lovely, yet idealistic opinion of religion–even if it isn’t something you personally are unfamiliar with.

      • Leah Ann

        Love is my religion.

    • gordonhackman

      Glennon claims to be a Christian. Therefore, it is fair to judge her choices and actions based on how they stack up against Christian teaching, and to point out when they fail to do so, especially given that she is an influential public figure. Invoking a vague and contentless notion of love does not change that. Sometimes, offering a stern rebuke to serious error is the most loving thing one can do.

    • Jennifer Hartline

      Did my heart feel closed or open? A silly and meaningless question. Like so many people today, you seem to think that any judgment of actions is unloving and unChristian. That is nonsense. We are obligated to judge the rightness or wrongness of people’s actions in light of God’s law. The truth about marriage is quite clear and Jesus spoke directly about it. God hates divorce. There simply is no such thing as same-sex “marriage” because the nature of marriage is the conjugal union of husband and wife.
      Glennon presents herself as a Christian, but what she’s preaching by example is not the Gospel of Christ, but the gospel of the world which says that “love is love” and “whatever is right for you is right.” The world thinks the only thing Jesus EVER said was “don’t judge.” We are not able to judge another person’s heart or the state of another person’s soul, but we can, and we must, judge actions. That’s why it must be said that Glennon’s actions are not in obedience to God and His law. People who see her example and think it jives with following Christ will be just as deceived as she is.

      • Micha_Elyi

        Ms. Hartline, you have instructed the ignorant, counseled the doubtful, and admonished a sinner. Now you are an example of bearing wrongs patiently. Thank you.

      • Royce E. Van Blaricome

        Hey, you got the “jibes” right! LOL (I saw your posts above) 🙂

    • Autrey Windle

      Leah Ann, Glennon claims to be Christian. Christ doesn’t have one set of rules for lesbians and another set for everyone else. The way you say ‘your religion’ sounds like you do not believe in Christianity so I wouldn’t expect you to understand that discipline is imperative and obedience to God’s laws is not open to debate or rewriting. I hope Jennifer felt good that she wasn’t afraid of judgmental people like you mollycoddling a woman from the truth to the point that she would walk away silently from one who claims Christianity. Lies are not love and if you think they are, I feel very sorry for you. You know just enough about fear to deny your own. Wake up and smell the redemption in repentance for sin. God will bless any of us if we ask and begin to learn what ways are of God and what ways are of the devil and turn away from sin and turn toward God. It’s a choice I hope these women make and that you seek to understand as well. Glennon claims to already know these things and she needs to be corrected publicly and with courage by we who will not have our faith misrepresented lest we lose more troubled loved ones to tolerating the devil in lieu of healing from a painful past. She is in so much denial that there may be little to no hope of saving her from hell, but perhaps if she gets tired of trying to convince herself that it’s okay with God for her to rewrite His plan for her, she may yet surrender to the healing love of God and quit trying to turn others into embracing perversity. You may want to reconsider your own choices of what is true. Go with God.

    • Leah Ann

      I usually don’t leave comments if my opinion differs so greatly from what is written. It wasn’t my intention to argue with anyone because if I do then I’m just trying to be right and convince others of how right I am. It’s none of my business what anyone believes or why and vice versa. I live according to what aligns with my heart and I’m at peace. I’ve always been one to defend the underdog, Glennon in this case, no matter what. I will continue to do so. I won’t be back here to read anymore comments. Peace and love to all of you…I mean that.

      • Autrey Windle

        Leah Ann, What are you running from? Your opinion is what you believe. If you are so convinced that your opinion is right, then you can have the courage of conviction and stand for something so you don’t just fall for anything. If you run from all who disagree with you then you may want to examine why you hold a certain idea and if you truly can argue the merits. Merits uncover truth. Defending the underdog is laudable if in fact the underdog is in the right. Sometimes the underdog is just that because they are wrong. Love tells the truth/ defending lies is simply lack of courage to seek and defend truth. Maybe you were told lies and told not to question that. This is easily illustrated by a child seeing their Mother beaten and the Mom telling the children that the Father actually loves her and can’t help his behavior. There are a million examples of a similar nature. I hope you get my point and I hope to see you commenting through strength and not just misplaced sympathy for people who, like Glennon, could care less that she corrupts even more of society by failing to actually solve her own unholy choices. Be glad you are not her. Find yourself and be guided by the truth you find not the sympathy for the wrong just because they get called out for being what they are. You are able to be better than that. Just ask God and He will reassure you of your value and true purpose.

      • Royce E. Van Blaricome

        “It’s none of my business what anyone believes or why and vice versa. I live according to what aligns with my heart and I’m at peace. ”

        Thank you for proving you need to be saved. That is all absolutely opposite of what God says. Here’s one thing I hope you’ll seriously look at. When it comes to living according to what aligns with your heart, see Jeremiah 17:9. And don’t be too quick to disregard or reject that because it IS the Truth.

        • Leah Ann

          God speaks to me through my heart so my heart is trustworthy. I value it over any book, any day if what is written doesn’t ring true to my heart. I will not ignore my own heart which God uses as a barometer to help me discern truth. If I do then I deny how God is speaking to me and the ability to discern what God values. I believe God’s love and acceptance is unconditional for EVERYONE. Relax and realize that other people believe differently from you and it’s really okay. God’s got this. It’s not up to you…or me, or anyone. All is well.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            She Jeremiah 17:9 for what God has to say about your heart and how trustworthy it is.

            And thanks for publicly displaying for all to see that you are your own god and create Truth according to your own image, ways, will, and wisdom.

            Enjoy living in that false reality while you can. There’s coming a day soon when your eyes will be wide-open to the Truth and you’ll live with that Truth for All Eternity in the torment of the Lake of Fire.

            Then maybe after a bazillion years you’ll come to know it wasn’t worth it and all was NOT well with you! Or maybe even after a nanosecond.

          • Leah Ann

            Dear Royce, you’re right I am made in God’s image. I’m an expression of God just like you. I have nothing to fear, I am well. I decide that. Not you. And I’m happy to display who I am.

            Now, I will say something loving to you and then you can choose to return that love to me if you wish. Royce, I think you’re a beautiful soul, no matter what you say to tear me down. You are precious and loved by me. I wish you well, always.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Wrong again. You’re batting a 1000. ALL humans are created in the image of God. That is a far cry from being an expression of God and you are NOT just like me. I am a Born Again child of the Most High God. A Saint. Co-heir with Jesus Christ.

            You on the other hand are dead in your trespasses and sins, in which you walk according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, of the spirit that is now working in the sons of disobedience. Among them you live in the lusts of your flesh, indulging the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and are by nature children of wrath (Eph. 2:1-3)

            You have MUCH to fear and, once again, by your very words you belie the Word of God for God has said the beginning of wisdom is the fear of the Lord. Now, that said, save yourself the embarrassment of coming back and telling me that doesn’t really mean “fear”. It does. As proven by its numerous uses in Scripture and by every single person who ever had an encounter with the Living God.

            And no, you don’t get to decide. Once again, proving by your own words you haven’t a clue and no theological foundation whatsoever. You’ll find out soon enough that it is GOD who decides.

            I have no doubt you’re happy to display who you are. That would be perfectly consistent with a prideful, arrogant, child of Satan and of wrath.

            Whether you want to believe it or not, I have been loving to you and I haven’t been tearing you down. You can continue to live in your world of deception, delusion, and denial like the little hippy in the 60’s that smokes their pot, takes their LSD, and floats their Peace Sign everywhere with “God Is Love” plastered on the side of their VW microbus but you’re just as lost as they are. They created a jesus in their own image too.

            So I’d strongly recommend you seriously consider that if perhaps God has not turned you over to a reprobate mind yet there is still hope for you. If you hear God call again and draw you to Christ (Jn. 6:44) then do not harden your heart and hear Him. Hear Him and learn! (Jn 6:45). Then respond to the conviction of the Holy Spirit (Jn 16:8) and surrender your life as a slave to Jesus Christ as your new Lord & Master (Matt. 16:24). Confess your disobedience, rebellion, and sins. Beg Jesus to save you so that you can spend the rest of your life here and in Eternity serving Him and bringing glory to Him. Ask Jesus to remove your evil, wicked Jer. 17:9 heart and replace it with the new Eze. 36:26 heart. Do that and He has promised He will make you a New Creation that will spend all Eternity with Him where you will serve Him, worship Him, and glorify Him forever.

          • Ruth

            Well done and well said Royce.

          • Leah Ann

            I love you too, Ruth.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Love U2. That’s why I told you the Truth.

          • Ruth

            I love you with the love of the Lord!
            Repent and believe the gospel.
            Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, His death, burial and resurrection.

            John 3: 16“For God so loved the world, that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him shall not perish, but have eternal life. 17“For God did not send the Son into the world to judge the world, but that the world might be saved through Him. 18“He who believes in Him is not judged; he who does not believe has been judged already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. 19“This is the judgment, that the Light has come into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the Light, for their deeds were evil. 20“For everyone who does evil hates the Light, and does not come to the Light for fear that his deeds will be exposed. 21“But he who practices the truth comes to the Light, so that his deeds may be manifested as having been wrought in God.”

            Grace and peace be unto you from God the Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ!

          • Leah Ann

            I love you, Royce.

          • Ruth

            I wonder how God speaks to you? Did He appear in your dream? Did He whisper in your ears? It seems you’re living in fantasy and illusion. God speaks through His word, He reveals Himself through His word. Any revelation outside the word of God is not of God. God is love and we love God because He first loved us. Those who love God obey His commandments. Yes, God loves the world so much that He gave His only begotten Son on, that Whosoever believes in Him shall not perish but have everlasting life. Jesus Christ came for sinners to repent, not for sinners but for sinners who will repent. When He caught the adulterous woman, He forgave her and told that woman “Go and sin no more.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Well said!!

          • Leah Ann

            Yes, God lives within me just like everyone and everything else and we have regular conversations. And, I meant any written word. My point was I don’t think truth can not be contained in only one book but the heart on the other hand is infinitely big. That’s what I believe and if your’e not okay with that then that’s okay. I respect your feelings. I really do. We could go on forever with this but I don’t think it’s productive if either of us are just trying to prove something. I accept you as you are and I hope you accept me. Goodbye, dear, Ruth.

          • Ruth

            Im not trying to prove something here, I’m trying to share insight based from the Scripture, the word of God. If you don’t want to accept correction and the word of God, then it’s up to you, you have the free will to do as you wish. If you only base your choices, discernment, opinion, and action with your feelings, not according to the wisdom of God, that’s dangerous. Your feeling will lead you to destruction.

      • Well said, Leah Ann. You and I are in the minority in this comments section but I assure you, not in the world (thank Christ), and we’re also not wrong in our approach to God’s word, no matter how confidently this blogger and her – wait, is it a woman? I think? anyway, irrelevant to the larger point – slavish, angry followers make it seem. I pray for them all.

        • Leah Ann

          For those who have eyes they will see where and how hate masquerades as love. Without love truth is just a clanging cymbal.

    • Royce E. Van Blaricome

      It seems you need to get saved and actually obey Christ since He has COMMANDED His followers TO judge. I don’t know who the “we” is that you refer to but obviously it’s not Christians because when Christians obey their Master their heart is a LONG ways from being “unsettled”!!

      As for what you think, see Proverbs 14:12.

      As for “Love” see John 14:15 because you obviously have NO clue what real Love is. It’s also obvious that, like SO many other Posers standing in the Matt. 7:21-23 line, you’ve created a jesus (note the small ‘j’) in your own image according to your own will and ways.

      So take a chainsaw to the Giant Sequoia Tree in your eye and then you’ll see if you’re talking about Jesus then walk the talk…HIS love talk.

      I suggest you surrender your life as a slave to the Lord Jesus Christ as your new Master. Then I suggest you find a good Bible-believing, Bible-teaching church where you can submit to godly men as your leaders, (as commanded to do so) and be properly discipled. They may be able to even point you to a good Titus 2:3-5 woman as well.

      Jennifer would be a good start. Though it’s pretty obvious you aren’t listening to her wisdom. Maybe you will once you get saved and your eyes are opened.

      • Leah Ann

        Been there, done that.

        • Royce E. Van Blaricome

          Evidently not.

          “But the things that proceed out of the mouth come from the heart, and those defile the man.” (Matt. 15:18)

          “The good man out of the good treasure of his heart brings forth what is good; and the evil man out of the evil treasure brings forth what is evil; for his mouth speaks from that which fills his heart.” (Luke 6:45)

          At least I sure hope not because what you’re saying not is every indication that you are not saved. So if you were and walked away to pursue your own jesus then you’re doomed. Heb. 6:4-6.

          “Beware of false prophets who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inside are ravenous wolves. You will recognize them by their fruits: they do not gather grapes from thorn bushes or figs from thistles, do they? (Mat 7:15-16)

          The fruit of your lips is rotten to the core.

    • Ruth

      It’s a great article, to alarm women who are carried away and lead astray by these professing Christians who contradict the word of God and preach another or false gospel. Rebuking or confronting those who are twisting the word of God and correcting anyone of his/her mistakes/wrong and warning people from danger or destruction is an act of love. The Lord Jesus commanded his disciples to judge righteously.
      Homosexuality indeed is a sinful act, an abomination in the eyes of God, and anybody who practice such cannot enter the kingdom of God. Even those who affirm or support such practices are partakers of such immorality.

      • Leah Ann

        Tearing down, mocking and using sarcasm toward another, as in the article, is not love. Unconditional acceptance is love.

        • Royce E. Van Blaricome

          So Jesus is not Love? LOL

          Thank you for showing that heart of yours!

          • Leah Ann

            Yes, Jesus accepted everyone. He is love.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Yes, my jesus accepted everyone. There, fixed it for you. You don’t have a clue who the real Jesus is.

            The first task of love is to tell the truth. Those who genuinely love others are not those who would redefine morality to meet their own ways but those who will tell them the truth and point them to the One who is the Way, the Truth, and the Life.

            “But understand this, that in the last days there will come times of difficulty. For people will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, heartless, unappeasable, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not loving good, treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power. Avoid such people. For among them are those who creep into households and capture weak women, burdened with sins and led astray by various passions, always learning and never able to arrive at a knowledge of the truth. Just as Jannes and Jambres opposed Moses, so these men also oppose the truth, men corrupted in mind and disqualified regarding the faith. But they will not get very far, for their folly will be plain to all, as was that of those two men.” (2Ti 3:1-9)

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            And yes, God is Love and since Jesus is God then He is Love. Too bad you don’t understand either.

            As for reference to “Love”. You seem to connect that to “compassionate” which turns “Love” into a feeling and it is NOT!!!

            God is Love
            Jesus is God
            Jesus lived out and showed God’s Love perfectly ALWAYS.

            Was Jesus being loving or unloving when He said, “You wicked generation of vipers”?

            Was Jesus being loving or unloving when He said, “You’re like white-washed sepulchers full of dead men’s bones”?

            Was Jesus being loving or unloving when He turned over the tables and took a whip to the Moneychangers?

            Was Jesus being loving or unloving when He said to Peter, “Get behind me Satan!”?

            I submit Jesus was being loving in all those instances and more. I also submit that your misplaced “compassion” for a guy who is gonna spend Eternity in the torment of the Lake of Fire because you’d rather have compassion on him than tell him the truth and bring him the cure is most unloving.

            You also say but God does love all, believers and unbelievers alike as if God loves all the same. So again you call God a Liar. Evidently you’ve never read Psa. 11:5. And do you really think God loves the ones He’s turned over to a reprobate mind the same as He does His own children? Do you really think God loves those He will send strong delusion upon the same as His own children? Do you really think God loves those He calls an abomination the same as His own children (Deut. 22:5, 25:16, Prov. 3:32, 11:20, 16:5, and 17:5)?

            While you’re at it I suggest you also do a little study on what God has to say about those who speak falsely for Him and use His Word to falsely teach others and lead them into disobedience. Here’s a hint: The penalty for a false prophet was death and they only got to be wrong one time! Satan quoted Scripture to Jesus and all with the same goals.

        • Ruth

          Open rebuke is better than secret love. You don’t really know nor understand what unconditional love is. If by condoning sinful acts, supporting the people who are practicing homosexuality is what you mean by unconditional love, then that’s foolishness. You’re partaking with the sins of those who practice it.

          • Leah Ann

            The only time Jesus ever openly rebuked anyone were the Phairasee’s with their cold, judging, unloving hearts. They cared more about right and wrong than the tender souls they saw unfit. They were rebuked for being spiritual bullies. Love that has conditions attached in order to be experienced or shown or known is NOT unconditional, Godly love. The God I know IS this kind of unconditional love. This love trandscends our actions and is full of patience and kindness. This love uses any misery we cause ourselves from decisions that hurt us or others for our highest good. We learn. We grow. Our eyes are opened and we’re thankful. We then become compassionate and show the kind of love we’ve received to others. No condemnation necessary. God loves and sees you exactly in the same way he sees anybody else. Gay or not. If I’m a fool for understanding this kind of love then that’s exactly the kind of fool I want to be.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            “The only time Jesus ever openly rebuked anyone were the Phairasee’s(sic) with their cold, judging, unloving hearts.”

            That is an absolute,outright lie as clearly displayed in Scripture. Where do lies come from? Thanks for displaying who you are listening to and following.

            “They cared more about right and wrong than the tender souls they saw unfit.”

            As if God doesn’t.

            “They were rebuked for being spiritual bullies.”

            Another lie.

            “The God I know IS this kind of unconditional love.”

            No doubt. At least you make a public profession that you’ve created a god in your own image according to your own ways, will, and wisdom. Thereby violating the 1st and 2nd Commandment. There’s a reason why those 2 are listed first

            “If I’m a fool for understanding this kind of love then that’s exactly the kind of fool I want to be.”

            Good! At least you admit it. And for that you can spend ALL Eternity in the torment of the Lake of Fire. After all, it’s what you want.

          • Ruth

            These Pharisees we’re rebuked by the Lord Jesus Christ of their hypocrisy. If you have a Bible please read Matthew 23, and other Bible passages that were stated here.
            Those Pharisees we’re rebuked because of their hypocrisy.
            The term hypocrisy,, comes to us via the Latin hypocrisies meaning “play-acting, pretense.” Further back, the word occurs in both classical and New Testament Greek and has the very same idea”to play a part, pretend.

            This is the way the Lord Jesus employed the term. For example, when Christ taught the significance of prayer, fasting, and alms-giving for kingdom people, He discouraged us from following the examples of those who are hypocrites (Matthew 6:2, 5, 16).

            By making long public prayers, employing extreme measures to ensure others noticed their fasts, and parading their gifts to the Temple and the poor, they revealed only an outward attachment to the Lord. While the Pharisees performed well their dramatic role as public examples of religious virtue, they failed miserably in the inner world of the heart where true virtue resides (Matthew 23:13-33; Mark 7:20-23).

            Jesus never called His disciples hypocrites. That name was given only to misguided religious zealots. Rather, He called His own “followers,” “babes,” “sheep,” and His “church.”

            In addition, there is a warning in the New Testament about the sin of hypocrisy (1 Peter 2:1), which Peter calls “insincerity.” Also, two blatant examples of hypocrisy are recorded in the church. In Acts 5:1-10, two disciples are exposed for pretending to be more generous than they were. The consequence was severe. 

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            Well done, Ruth. You have done well in attempting to be a good example of a Titus 2:3-5 woman. Unfortunately, it appears however that you are dealing with a prideful unteachable spirit and it’s probably time to just shake the dust from your feet as a sign because it doesn’t look to me as though you’re being received at all.

          • Ruth

            Thank you Royce, and you’re right, it’s time to shake off the dust from those people who don’t want to listen and get corrected, much more those who don’t want to receive the word of God. Actually I’ve no extra time to spend time with them, but for concern and compassion, and most of all to share biblical insights, I reply to those comments addressed to me.

          • Ruth

            Those Pharisees we’re rebuked because of their hypocrisy. If you have a Bible, please take the time to read the passages here.

            By the way, the term hypocrisy,, comes to us via the Latin hypocrisies meaning “play-acting, pretense.” In Greek “to play a part, pretend.

            The Lord Jesus Christ discouraged His disciples, it followers in  following the examples of those who are hypocrites.

            In Matthew 6:2, 5, 16, we can read the practices of those Pharisees:
            By making long public prayers, employing extreme measures to ensure others noticed their fasts, and parading their gifts to the Temple and the poor, they revealed only an outward attachment to the Lord.

            While the Pharisees performed well their dramatic role as public examples of religious virtue, they failed miserably in the inner world of the heart where true virtue resides (Matthew 23:13-33; Mark 7:20-23).

            In Acts 5:1-10, two followers are exposed for pretending to be more generous than they were. The consequence was severe, they fell down and died.

            Thus, those who are professing as Christians but live in sin, like practicing homosexuality or any form of immorality and any other sinful acts, are they not hypocrites?

            Shall we tolerate there sinfulness  because we pity them? Because it will make them happy? Shall we not rebuke them who shame the name of the Lord Jesus Christ?

          • Ruth

            Of course not everyone who claims to be a Christian is truly a Christian. Perhaps all or most of the famous hypocrites among Christians were in fact pretenders and deceivers. To this day, prominent Christian leaders have fallen into terrible sins such as financial and sexual scandals.

            Thus, we need to ask whether all those who claim to be Christians really are.

            Jesus’ parable of the seed and the soils in Matthew 13 makes it clear that not all professions of faith in Him are genuine. Sadly, many who profess to belong to Him will be stunned one day to hear Him say to them, “I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!” (Matthew 7:23). 

            2 Timothy 2:19  “Nevertheless the foundation of God stands sure, having this seal, The Lord knows them that are His. And, Let every one that names the name of Christ depart from iniquity.

               1 Corinthians 6:9 “Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10 nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God. 

  • Paul

    a Christian involved in homosexuality is an oxymoron, you can’t authentically be the former while doing the latter.

    • Micha_Elyi

      Is a lost sheep still a member of the flock or not?
      This is a theologically important question.
      Is there but one baptism or multiple baptisms?

      • Paul

        Matthew 18:20 “For where two or three gather in my name, there am I with them.”

        Why is this verse significant to you in this context?

      • Royce E. Van Blaricome

        You pose questions that have been hotly debated for centuries. Doubtful you’ll get a settled response here. I have dear, good BIC’s that I completely disagree with on some of those questions. On one I don’t see where there can be any disagreement and that is whether a Christian can sin. Scripture is most abundantly crystal clear and the answer is YES! (1st John 1:8-10)

        The only other thing that I would add is that God is also abundantly clear that no “practicing” Homosexual will inherit the Kingdom. Some might say they never were a Christian. Others they lost their salvation. Either way Matt. 7:21-23, 1st Cor. 6:9-10, Rev. 21:8 are just three verses that come to mind which specifically state the unrepentant Homosexual will be hurled into the Lake of Fire.

        • Paul

          Yes, hotly debated indeed, but worth discussing. Unfortunately a lot of Scripture needs to be ignored to hang on to certain beliefs.

          • Royce E. Van Blaricome

            I agree it’s worth discussing but this isn’t the forum. I might agree or disagree with your latter statement depending on how you define “lot” and “certain”. I’ve listened to several good, godly men who have a POV on a subject different than mine and while I disagree with their supposition or conclusion I have to admit that they give it in such a way as to make sense. It’s logical and rational. I just think wrong. And I, and others, can lay out an opposing POV that is just as logical and rational which they would say is wrong.

            A good example of this is “A Night Of Eschatology” with Piper, Hamilton, Storms, and Wilson.

  • Gary Kauffman

    This a very good, insightful article and one Christians need to hear more. Throughout the Old Testament God warned the Israelites of the dangers of following false gods and conforming to the surrounding culture. Throughout the New Testament, Jesus, Paul, Peter and John all warned about the dangers of false teachers, false doctrines and conforming to the world. Yet too often we still allow ourselves to be drawn in by the world’s concepts that sound good without examining if they are true, based on scripture.
    Now, if you’ll allow an old editor to indulge himself in pointing out a pet peeve: In your sentence, “She is deceived into thinking this new life of hers jives with Christian morality and following Jesus,” the word you want is jibes. Jive is a slang term that means deceptive or meaningless talk, or to kid or tease. You could correctly say, “Her words are just jive talking,” or “Her words are just so much jive.” But when used to mean in accord with or in harmony with, as in your sentence, the word is jibe.

    • Jennifer Hartline

      Gary, I appreciate the editorial correction! You’re absolutely right. I could’ve sworn I typed a “b” but obviously I didn’t! They are keyboard neighbors after all. I’ll see about getting that fixed.

    • Jennifer Hartline

      Gary, just wanted you to know I have been duly humbled by getting a video of the BeeGee’s in an email from the Stream editor.
      🙂

  • Micha_Elyi

    (Yes, I’m aware that her husband broke his vows first.)

    And you know that, how?
    Because “her husband” is not the point of this article, this unnecessary parenthetical seems close to calumny.

    • Jennifer Hartline

      No calumny, Micha. Glennon spoke publicly about her husband’s infidelity. So I know because she said so. And her husband is hardly irrelevant to the topic.

  • Royce E. Van Blaricome

    Well said! Well done, Jennifer! I thank God for godly, Titus 2:3-5 women who speak the Truth and hold to God’s Word. I hope this article will prevent other women from buying into the lies of Glennon and Hatmaker. You could also add Vicky Beeching, Rachel Held Evans, and Jory Micah to the list.

  • Ruth

    Great article. Very well stated. Exposing people who are bearing or sharing false gospel is a loving act, not a judgemental act. Imagine those who follow them and be lead astray or blinded by these false teachers, advocates. Leaving your husband and indulging engaging to same sex marriage is not love, it’s a sinful act, a detestable sin. I pity her for what she had suffered but marrying a lesbian is not a solution to her problem, it will add tragedy to her life. Those who practice homosexuality which is a form of immorality cannot inherit the Kingdom of God.
    1 Corinthians 6 :9 Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.

    • Royce E. Van Blaricome

      I would submit that it is both “loving” AND “judgemental” and that there is NO contradiction in that whatsoever.

      • Ruth

        You’re right Royce.

  • Wow. For someone who professes to be a devout Christian, you sure seem a little hazy on some of the basics. You also seem very bent on claiming for yourself the authority to judge – judge others’ morally, judge what’s best for children you’ve never even met, judge with “scare” “quotes,” judge with outright bigotry and condemnation, judge, judge, judge. Well, your “honor,” (oh wait, that is kinda fun), here’s the thing: The fact that you can’t sell your daughter’s hand in marriage for five sheep and an ox means we’ve already redefined marriage a number of times. The scriptural sources you’re relying on for your “it’s unnatural” authority are strenuously disputes amongst scholars, at best, and at worst just do not mean what you claim they mean. You say her children have learned that their mother’s happiness comes before theirs — yet you don’t know these kids. You don’t know if they are or are not happy. And the reverse — the children learning their happiness comes before everything else — is equally fraught with risk. Isn’t that how we get a generation filled with brittle, selfish, emotional cripples who cannot think past their own immediate gratification to the better good for all? Frankly, I find it laughable that Christ gives a holy fig about who and how we love, when so many of us cannot even manage the basics He commanded us to carry always.

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